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CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 1 1 CITIZENS COINAGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE 2 3 MEETING Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4 3:00 p.m. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Sharon Bowen 14 US Mint 15 801 9th St., NW 16 Washington, DC 20220 17 (202) 354-7371 18 19 20 21 Reported by: Samuel Honig 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 MADAM CHAIR MARY LANNIN 3 ERIK JANSEN 4 MICHAEL MORAN 5 JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN 6 THOMAS URAM 7 HERMAN VIOLA 8 APRIL STAFFORD 9 GREG WEINMAN 10 HEIDI WASTWEET 11 ROBERT HOGE 12 JOE MENNA 13 14 PHEBE HEMPHILL PIA PYLE 15 VERNA JONES, American Legion 16 JAMES WHEELER American Legion 17 SCOTT MILLER, American Legion 18 JAMES BACA, American Legion 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 3 1 C O N T E N T S 2 PAGE 3 American Legion 100th Anniversary Commemorative 4 Coin Program, Public Law 115-65, Discussion of 5 concepts and themes. 8 6 7 Bob Dole Congressional Gold Medal. 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 32 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 4 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MS. LANNIN: Okay. Good afternoon. I'd like 3 to call this meeting of the Citizens Coinage 4 Advisory Committee for Wednesday, October 25, 5 2017. 6 the members of the committee to say their name and 7 state present when I call your name. 8 No one yet. And before we begin, I would like to ask Erik Jansen? 9 MR. JANSEN: Erik Jansen here. 10 MS. LANNIN: Erik. 11 MR. MOAN: 12 MS. LANNIN: 13 you. 14 15 Michael Moran? Mike Moran here. Michael Moran, nice to hear from Jeanne Stevens-Sollman? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Jeanne Stevens-Sollman here. 16 MS. LANNIN: 17 MR. URAM: 18 MS. LANNIN: 19 Robert Hoge? Hi, Jean. Thomas Uram? Present. Present. All right. Herman Viola? 20 MR. VIOLA: 21 MS. LANNIN: 22 MR. VIOLA: Herman Viola here. Well, Herman, how are you? Not bad. Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 5 1 2 MS. LANNIN: Heidi Wastweet? Robert Hoge, do we have you? 3 MS. STAFFORD: While we wait for, to see if 4 other CCAC members join us, is Greg Weinman on the 5 line? 6 7 8 9 MR. WEINMAN: I'm here in Philadelphia with Joe and Phebe. MS. STAFFORD: Wonderful. Thank you for joining us. 10 MS. LANNIN: 11 MR. WEINMAN: 12 MS. LANNIN: 13 MS. STAFFORD: 14 MR. JANSEN: 15 I'm here. Hello from Philly. Joe Menna and Phebe Hemphill. All right. Thank you. Madam Chair, what's our, what's our quorum needs? 16 MS. LANNIN: One, one more person, Erik. 17 MR. JANSEN: Seven. 18 MS. LANNIN: Yes. 19 MR. JANSEN: Who are you expecting to be on 20 21 22 Okay. Thank you. the call? MS. LANNIN: I'm expecting Robert Hoge and Heidi to also be on the call with us. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And for the CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 6 1 record, the people that have been unable to join 2 us today are Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Donald Scarinci, 3 and Dennis Tucker. 4 quorum. 5 So we are waiting to get a We need one more person to call in. MS. STAFFORD: While we have someone here 6 reaching out to both of those CCAC members who 7 have committed to participating and while we do 8 that, if I could just ask for anyone on the phone, 9 we have a transcriber here at headquarters, and if 10 you wouldn't mind identifying yourself so that the 11 transcriber could include that information in the 12 minutes, that would be wonderful. 13 And again, I want to thank all of the 14 participants today, especially our CCAC members 15 for your, you making yourselves available again to 16 meet with us on these two very important programs. 17 We made you aware the last time we met that due to 18 schedules and requested production timetables, we 19 needed to very quickly gather and meet on both the 20 Bob Dole Congressional Gold Medal, as well as 21 discuss concepts and themes for the American 22 Legion Commemorative Coin Program. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So truly thank CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 7 1 you so much for giving so generously of your time. 2 We very, very much appreciate it. 3 Greg, if I could ask, the first item on our 4 agenda is the American Legion 100th Anniversary 5 Commemorative Coin Program discussion of concepts 6 and themes. 7 Because perhaps we could go ahead and begin 8 sharing background information. 9 okay? 10 Do we need a quorum for that? MR. WEINMAN: Would that be I don’t have a problem with 11 sharing the background information, but really the 12 CCAC can't start commenting in any, until we have 13 a seventh member. 14 MS. STAFFORD: 15 MS. LANNIN: 16 MS. WEINMAN: 17 Okay. Do we have Robert Hoge yet? Not just yet. At this point it's essentially an admin meeting. 18 MS. STAFFORD: Understood. So Madam Chair 19 asked if perhaps Robert Hoge or Heidi Wastweet had 20 a chance to join us. 21 line? 22 Okay. Are either of you on the So -- MS. LANNIN: Okay. Then April, I would, if www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 8 1 it's okay, with Greg's blessing, I would like to 2 ask you to begin talking about the background for 3 the American Legion. 4 MS. STAFFORD: 5 MS. LANNIN: Sure. Do we have American Legion 6 liaisons that would like to introduce themselves 7 and slowly speak their name, please? 8 9 MS. STAFFORD: We have, we have with us Verna Jones, the Executive Director of the American 10 Legion. 11 Jones is our official liaison to this program and 12 I believe Ms. Jones has brought with her a team 13 of, of people to contribute to this discussion. 14 Verna, could I ask you to introduce your team? 15 She's located in Washington, DC. MS. JONES: Yes, thank you so much. Verna Thank you 16 for taking your time to talk to us today. And I'm 17 Verna Jones, Executive Director of the American 18 Legion National Headquarters in the Washington, DC 19 office. 20 the Director of Marketing, and Scott Miller, 21 Deputy Director of Marketing and Strategic 22 Alliance. And with us we have James Baca, who is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 9 1 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you so much. So I will 2 provide background information about the America 3 Legion, and as everyone knows, we're here to 4 discuss concepts and themes that will be 5 incorporated into the artist's brief. 6 they begin their design development for this 7 three-coin program they can, they can have as much 8 information as possible to be as successful as 9 possible. 10 So when So first we'll talk about background 11 information and then I'll ask Ms. Jones and her 12 counterparts to provide additional information. 13 And as Greg noted, we will need a seventh member 14 of the CCAC in order to, to receive the members' 15 feedback on what the artists might additionally 16 want to consider. 17 Okay. So it is Public Law 115-65, The American 18 Legion 100th Anniversary Coin Act, that requires 19 the Secretary of the Treasury to mint and issue 20 five dollar gold coins, one dollar silver coins, 21 and half dollar clad coins in recognition and 22 celebration of the 100th Anniversary of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 10 1 American Legion. 2 design of these coins, quote, "Shall be emblematic 3 of the American Legion." 4 The act specifies that the The American Legion was formed March 15th 5 through 17th in the year 1919 in Paris, France by 6 members of the US Expeditionary Forces occupying 7 Europe after the Armistice that ended World War I 8 four months earlier. 9 victory through the trenches, on the seas, and in Having fought their way to 10 the air, these combat weary troops were not 11 convinced that they had just won the war-to-end- 12 all-wars, and in fact, history would prove them 13 correct. 14 As formative meetings continued later in the 15 United States, the American Legion's founders 16 further determined that the organization would be 17 strictly nonpartisan, open to men and women alike 18 no matter their ethnic backgrounds, religious 19 affiliations, or political persuasions. 20 At the first national convention in November 21 of 1919, the Legion's constitution and bylaws 22 would be adopted and committees would be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 11 1 officially appointed to lead the organization in 2 four areas of concentration: 3 defense, and Americanism. 4 repeat that because these areas would later be 5 referred to as the four pillars of the American 6 Legion service, and in fact, it really is critical 7 to their story and, and their guiding principles. 8 Again, the four pillars include veterans, youth, 9 defense, and Americanism. 10 veterans, youth, I'm just going to The American Legion, the largest veterans 11 organization in the United States, has recorded 12 hundreds of accomplishments over the last century, 13 including advocacy for and oversight of the 14 Veterans Administration, disaster relief response, 15 the GI Bill, numerous youth programs, fund raising 16 for monuments and memorials honoring military 17 service, and many, many other things. 18 In addition to input on themes or devices for 19 the individual coins, we at the United States Mint 20 would appreciate the CCAC's advice on how to best 21 represent the American Legion across the three 22 coins in the series, gold, silver, and clad, as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 12 1 well as what the artist might consider how the 2 obverse and reverse of each of those coins work 3 together to tell the story. 4 committee is familiar with the Boys Town 5 Commemorative Coin Program that featured a past, 6 present, and future theme across their three-coin 7 program. 8 9 For example, the For example, one option that, that might be considered, because this is a three-coin program, 10 is using one coin to depict and reflect the 11 founding of the American Legion with the other 12 side being the American Legion emblem, and then 13 using the other two coins to use one side each to 14 depict the four pillars, one coin focusing on 15 defense and veterans, two of the four pillars, and 16 the third coin to focus on youth and the concept 17 of Americanism, the remaining four pillars. 18 that's just an example we wanted to, to share. 19 So Again, we're very, very fortunate to have our 20 liaison to this program, Verna Jones, with us. 21 Verna, would you like to contribute a little bit 22 more information about the American Legion? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 13 1 MS. JONES: Absolutely. Thanks. As we talked 2 earlier today it is important for us to tell our 3 story. 4 each of them have a distinct meaning for the 5 people that we advocate for. 6 The four pillars that we talked about, The American Legion has been founded on the 7 principles of taking care of our youth, taking 8 care of mentoring our youth, taking care of our 9 veterans, strong national defense, and promoting 10 patriotism and pride. 11 talked about this morning, so many of the symbols 12 are things that are representative of the American 13 Legion. 14 and the words For God and Country. 15 Tower. 16 And the things that we We could go on and on and on. Faithful The Eiffel So many of those things could talk about the 17 American Legion and, you know, who we are, what we 18 represent. 19 want to get across is our strong, passionate 20 advocacy for this nation, for our veterans, and 21 love for our country. 22 But one message, a big message that we MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. And I'd like to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 14 1 invite any of your colleagues to contribute some 2 thoughts. 3 MS. LANNIN: 4 MR. WHEELER: Sure. James? As Verna said, one of the 5 focuses for, for us is For God and Country and 6 we'd really like to see that on one of the coins. 7 It's kind of our, our anchor point that has 8 carried us since 1919. 9 just so much history within the organization. As Verna said, there's 10 We've provided a document that, that covers so 11 much and it would be hard to cover in a 30 minute 12 phone conversation, much less in a two minute 13 introduction. 14 But we're just excited about it. We're 15 willing to answer any questions to help on the 16 organization and what they've done. 17 tie into some of our founders, Theodore Roosevelt, 18 Jr. being one of our founders of the organization, 19 the first founder of the organization, the son of 20 the eldest Roosevelt, President Roosevelt. 21 22 And also our Also as you look at some of the other coins I mentioned this earlier today - we have the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 15 1 Apollo coin and it's interesting that Neil 2 Armstrong who was a member of that mission has 3 also participated in the American Legion program 4 that focuses on our youth and Americanism as the 5 American Legion Boys State program. 6 strong tie into the nation and all over. 7 anything to add? 8 MR. MILLER: 9 No, James. So we have a Thank you. Scott, I think I would rather just open it up to the, to the 10 committee for any of their comments or questions 11 being, being cognizant of everyone's time. 12 13 I believe Heidi is on the line MS. LANNIN: Heidi, welcome. now. 14 15 MR. JANSEN: much. Is Robert -- 16 MS. WASTWEET: 17 MS. LANNIN: 18 MR. HOGE: 19 MS. LANNIN: 20 both being here. 21 and we can talk about this. 22 Thank you very Sorry I'm late. Is Robert Hoge on the line? Yes, he is. MS. STAFFORD: Great. Hello. Thank you so much for We now officially have a quorum Wonderful. So just to, just to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 16 1 note, I'm hearing the possible inclusion of the 2 inscription For God and Country stated by our 3 liaisons. 4 of the American Legion preamble. 5 recited at every American Legion meeting. 6 correct? 7 8 9 In fact, those are the first four words MS. JONES: The preamble is Yes, that's correct. Is that Every official meeting of the American Legion. MS. STAFFORD: Excellent. Okay. So Madam 10 Chair, obviously our liaisons and the 11 representatives from the American Legion are on 12 the line to answer any questions. 13 love to get the committee's feedback on things the 14 artists might consider across this three-coin 15 program. 16 MS. LANNIN: But we would Well, I think Robert, I'm just 17 going to sort of start with you if you don't mind. 18 Do you have any thoughts on some design concepts 19 for this? 20 MR. HOGE: I have a couple of general 21 suggestions that had occurred to me. 22 all, we have a gold piece, a silver piece, and a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 First of CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 17 1 clad piece, and I was thinking we might utilize 2 the three different formats to focus on different 3 aspects of the four pillars. 4 To me, I was thinking gold as being sort of 5 the idea of Americanism combined with youth, and 6 that would be a place perhaps to really highlight 7 the American flag. 8 this idea For God and Country as a motto on each 9 of the pieces. 10 11 We probably want to include And so that might be part of the motto, part of the legend. For a silver piece I'm thinking of more 12 elderly people, and I think that might be 13 something really devoted to veterans. 14 our aging population and our aging vets who have 15 contributed so much, you know, in their lives. 16 And, you know, the silver warriors, so to speak. We think of 17 And for clad pieces, thinking clad as like 18 being covered, armored, and that makes me think 19 that this might be representative of armaments and 20 defense, defense of country perhaps more than the 21 silver or the gold pieces. 22 So just a couple of random thoughts there. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 18 1 2 MS. LANNIN: Thank you so much, Robert. Erik, what are your thoughts on this? 3 MR. JANSEN: Can you hear me? 4 MS. LANNIN: Oh, yes, loud and clear. 5 MR. JANSEN: Thank you. I want to pick up on 6 Robert's comments there because gold, silver, and 7 clad, just for the education we normally get from 8 Donald, for the hosting entity here, the -- what 9 will sell these coins is the art and the appeal 10 and not necessarily the inclusion of a perfect set 11 of your dogmatic images. 12 And I'm not saying that what you believe is 13 not important. I'm saying that this program will 14 be most successful in generating funds for you if 15 we can translate that into art that will appeal to 16 purchasers today. 17 through this discussion and through the formation 18 of your own preferences that you bear in mind that 19 this is not so much a casting of your dogmatic 20 images as it is enticing buyers to see something 21 that rings a bell with them, causing them to make 22 the purchase. So I, I would just urge you www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 19 1 And along that line, the silver dollar will be 2 your most important - almost always is in these 3 programs - contributor to net revenues which 4 ultimately will turn into funding resources for 5 you guys. 6 Now, to end that discussion, in terms of how 7 are we going to judge this art, Madam Chair? 8 Because we're going to have, I suspect as has been 9 the case recently, we're going to have designs 10 that may have been submitted for the clad that 11 maybe we choose for the silver, or gold that we 12 may demote to a silver design 'cause they work 13 better on the larger palette. 14 As a committee we've kind of been moving 15 around this and I was curious to what your 16 thoughts were as to how we might handle the 17 evaluation when we see art here in a few months. 18 MS. LANNIN: Well, Erik, as you can imagine 19 doing the minutes when we do this sort of mixing 20 and matching of designs, is it's a little tricky 21 when I have to write things up, but we should be 22 after the best combinations we can get out of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 20 1 art regardless of what, what the artists come up 2 with. 3 discussion this afternoon they could begin getting 4 some ideas for logical pairings that they might 5 have. 6 I would hope that, that through this I thought that Robert's comments were really 7 very thoughtful about using the clad as the 8 warrior kind of a thing. 9 that the silver is most important. I think we all agree The gold I can 10 see having the American Legion logo on it. 11 don't necessarily think we need to have the logo 12 on all three. 13 I But again, I think if we can keep our 14 discussions as clean and simple as possible when 15 we do get the art, that's going to help us put 16 everything together in the best way possible. 17 MR. JANSEN: So thank you for that. So as we 18 try to put the artists on some kind of a path of 19 inspiration or, or bound - I really don’t like 20 that idea, their thinking of valued symbols - gold 21 being the premier valued coin here often is 22 thought as carrying the most overarching issues www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 21 1 the organization stands for. 2 highest -- (music). 3 follow. Silver being the Wow, that's a hard act to Can you hear me? 4 MS. LANNIN: 5 MS. STAFFORD: It is -- there we go. So, so we would request anybody 6 who is dialing in if they could mute their phones 7 if not talking and perhaps not put us on hold so 8 that we not hear all the, the hold messaging or 9 music. 10 Apologies, Mr. Jansen. MR. JANSEN: That's all right. So gold's 11 often the superior coin overarching in concepts. 12 Silver of course being the big seller, you want to 13 focus there on items that might have the most mass 14 appeal or constituent appeal. 15 purchase. 16 So again, stimulate And clad often becomes kind of a junior coin 17 that, that inherits the minor images. 18 saying we have to do that this time, but that's 19 the path these things often go down. 20 I'm not I'm a little uncomfortable in taking four 21 pillars and putting them, two of them on one, two 22 of them on the other, and then the third becomes www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 22 1 some created empty zone. 2 handle that. 3 maybe come up with some better ideas there. 4 However, I, I want to make sure that two points 5 are made, and I think Donald would probably make 6 these if he was here. 7 I don’t know how to So I'll leave it to the committee to One of them is please don’t give us a collage. 8 Don't give us designs that are just three or four 9 symbols, in this case the four pillars all on one 10 side with some negative space to make sure they're 11 defined one from another. 12 Please don’t do that. And the second Donald'ism I'll lay out there 13 is please don’t give us a military medal or a 14 military coin in this case. 15 American Legion is about fighting battles. 16 believe it is about healing warriors and preparing 17 defenses. 18 from a youth and a, if I dare use the word, 19 patriotism dimension. 20 I don't believe the I And supporting our communities both So this is not a coin featuring military 21 images, please. This is a coin that if I try to 22 resolve the four arches, or the four pillars www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 23 1 rather - and I apologize for the insult if that is 2 in fact what I'm doing - it boils down to 3 compassion, compassion for each other, compassion 4 for the commitments that are made, and compassion 5 for the futures of those to come. 6 And so please don’t give us a military medal 7 with guns and soldiers and helmets. We have 8 plenty of those. 9 This is about healing and preserving, but not the That's not what this is about. 10 actual fighting. 11 MS. LANNIN: Thanks, Erik. 12 MR. JANSEN: Thank you. 13 MS. LANNIN: And thank you for, I'm sure 14 Donald appreciates the fact that you tried to 15 channel him. 16 Michael, are you there? So that's good. 17 MR. MORAN: 18 MS. LANNIN: 19 MR. MORAN: 20 21 22 Yeah. Mr. Moran? Yes, I'm here, Mary. Okay. I want to talk to the liaisons a little bit about -MS. LANNIN: Please talk into your, the microphone of your cell phone. We can barely hear www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 24 1 you. 2 3 MR. MORAN: me. I am. It's right up here against Can you hear me now? 4 MS. LANNIN: 5 MR. MORAN: 6 MS. LANNIN: 7 MR. MORAN: Barely. Oh. Okay. Back here. Go to somebody else 8 and let me change something here and then you can 9 come back to me. 10 MS. LANNIN: 11 12 Okay? All right. Jeanne, would you mind speaking next? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes. Thank you, Madam 13 Chair. 14 had said. 15 is going to be the most important one in the set; 16 however, you know, if we present this as a set, I 17 am all for having a representation of the four 18 pillars, you know, each, each pillar being on one 19 of the coins. 20 I was intrigued by what Erik and Robert I believe that truly the silver dollar But I have been thinking about this in the 21 last couple days and I, I think that the, For God 22 and Country, you know, that's a powerful image and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 25 1 it would be maybe something that we could take a 2 little bit of what England has done with their 3 shield and the coins and take our flag and perhaps 4 have reminiscent pieces of the flag so that each 5 coin on one side would have a bit of, you know, 6 the stars and stripes, and then some text or God 7 and Country, you know, that we would be able to 8 sort of unite the reverses or unite the obverses 9 with some emblematic flag design. 10 That's, other than agreeing with what has been 11 said, I, I don’t really have too much more to add 12 because I think this is, it will be a powerful set 13 and we need to, you know, think about what, what 14 the American Legion has done and stands for for 15 the last 100 years. 16 you very much. 17 18 MS. LANNIN: Thank you, Jeanne. Thank Michael, have you arranged your phone situation a little better? 19 MR. MORAN: 20 MS. LANNIN: 21 MR. MORAN: 22 So that's my comments. Can you hear me now? Perfect. Okay. I want the speak to the liaisons a little bit about the process that www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 26 1 you're going to be entering into. 2 seeing all the same designs presented by multiple 3 artists, designs for obverse and reverse, some the 4 same artists, some not. 5 You will be And hopefully you will see simplified designs 6 with only one device on obverse and reverse for 7 the five dollar gold piece, and increasing 8 complexity as the diameter of the plan should 9 increase as, with the half dollar and the dollar. 10 11 At least that's what you should see. It can be a very complex arrangement in terms 12 of choosing the final designs that come into us. 13 We like to, to ratify the client design choices, 14 but that's not always the case. 15 by Erik, and he's exactly right, that art sells 16 coins. 17 from your own membership, but to sell out you'll 18 need the community's participation as well. 19 You've been told I'm sure you'll have a good base of demand What you're going to see is probably in these 20 meetings mix and match to try and get the best 21 designs; although, in most cases the ones for the 22 five dollar gold piece will not work for the other www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 27 1 coins. 2 experience with the Boys Town designs. 3 would suggest that you talk to them more as to 4 what the Boys Town people did in reaching out to 5 the artists in order to get the designs that were 6 generated, which were very positive and good. 7 We had in retrospect a very successful Do not try to do too much with these coins 8 because you will fail if you do. 9 comments, Mary. 10 11 12 And I MS. LANNIN: That's my, my Thank you so very much, Michael. Thomas Uram? MR. URAM: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I agree 13 a lot with what's already been said, and one 14 thing, and the Legion might know this already, is 15 the motto that they have For God and Country was 16 actually one of the mottos that Solmon Chase and 17 James Pollack considered for our national motto 18 back in 1964. 19 And given some thought to that and then what 20 Jeanne had said about gold, what you might want to 21 do is an artist might want to consider looking at 22 the two cent piece from 1864, which has a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 28 1 tremendous shield done by Longacre, and start that 2 as a, as a possible focal point and starting point 3 since your motto was actually discussed in 1864. 4 Having said that, also the progression of the 5 story and the pillars and about people I think is 6 what it's about, but your, your motto and your, 7 the shield and the, what the organization stands 8 for is so important. 9 that could go on the gold piece and then the story 10 11 So that might be something more so on the others. And I think that it's already been expressed 12 that you don’t want to have logo coins in any 13 shape and form that have just anything that's 14 emblematic of logos and so forth. 15 I guess going back in history, that would be my 16 little twist on how to maybe make it relevant even 17 more than what it is. 18 MS. LANNIN: 19 20 So, and again, Thank you, Madam Chair. Thanks so much, Tom. Herman, are you there? MR. VIOLA: I am here, Madam Chair, and I find 21 this discussion quite fascinating. 22 really thought that Robert put it together very www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I, I CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 29 1 nicely. 2 I just think of patriotism and the American flag. 3 And like Jeanne said, I would think that each of 4 these coins should have some aspect of our flag 5 and the representation of patriotism without 6 falling into the trap of making it into a military 7 coin. 8 9 Whenever I think of the American Legion, So I do think your artists are going to have a lot of latitude and I would imagine we're going to 10 see a variety of designs. 11 the Legion I think of people saluting. 12 the flag. 13 really like the Boy Scouts, people like that. 14 But I, when I think of I think of young people. I think of I think So I think the committee really has hit, I 15 think, things pretty nicely and I'm looking 16 forward myself to see the kind of designs you 17 people come up with. 18 19 20 MS. LANNIN: Thank you. Thank you so much, Herman. Heidi. MS. WASTWEET: Hi. When I'm reading over the 21 descriptions here, there's a lot of abstract ideas 22 and not much of a visual. And as an artist I'm www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 30 1 imagining what would I use to encompass all this. 2 It's very abstract. 3 that above all these coins have to be attractive 4 so people will buy them. 5 And Erik had a great point I'll give you an example. I make a lot of 6 coins, but I don’t buy a lot of coins. And I'm 7 really not a fan of baseball, but I bought the 8 baseball coin because it had the cool factor. 9 was just a really great-looking coin. It That's what 10 we're after. 11 everything but the kitchen sink on here is making 12 a coin that's going to get people's attention who 13 may not even be aware of the American Legion. 14 More important than trying to put And I think Jeanne had a great idea of using 15 the flag as a motif, and having a continuous 16 design across the coin, that would definitely give 17 it the cool factor. 18 is just going to backfire and trying to get too 19 literal with all these ideas is going to backfire. 20 Trying to encompass too much So I just urge you to focus on what's going to 21 make an attractive-looking coin. If you want to 22 put the slogan on there, God and Country, that's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 31 1 okay. 2 image because it's not going to promote interest 3 from buyers. 4 Logo's okay, but it can't be the central That's all I have to add. MS. LANNIN: Thank you so much, Heidi. And 5 for our friends at the American Legion, the 6 liaisons that are listening, you heard us refer to 7 doing multiple backgrounds on coins extending from 8 one to another. 9 was the royal shield design that was used in Great And one thing that was mentioned 10 Britain. 11 tell you is to look it up on Wikipedia. 12 And the easiest thing for me to do, to But it is a grouping of not three coins, but 13 six coins that were minted. 14 them over and put their reverses together, they 15 actually form a shield and the design is classic. 16 It's beautiful. 17 you some ideas of what, what our people are trying 18 to think of when they said we'd like to see a flag 19 continue throughout a series of these coins. 20 And when you turn It's elegant. And it will give I think it's a, I think it's a really 21 interesting thing. 22 my thoughts on that. So at any rate, that would be Thank you very much. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 32 1 MS. STAFFORD: Any, any feedback that our 2 liaisons or representatives from the American 3 Legion would like to add to the conversation? 4 Otherwise, we will go on to our second order of 5 business. 6 7 MR. URAM: were speaking of was the 2015 British proof set. 8 9 Madam Chairman, the one that you MS. LANNIN: Right. sure you have it too, Tom. Thank you very much. So thank you very 10 much. 11 review and to discuss the candidate designs for 12 the Bob Dole Congressional Gold Metal. 13 to ask April to talk about that. 14 I'm The next item for discussion will be to MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. I'd like And if our friends 15 at the American Legion would like to continue on, 16 you're most welcome. 17 a great day and thank you for joining us. 18 MS. JONES: 19 MS. STAFFORD: Otherwise, you, you can have Thank you for your time. Thank you. Okay. So there are 20 two candidate designs that we are seeking feedback 21 on, a single obverse and a single reverse. 22 are the preferences of our liaison to this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 These CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 33 1 program, Pia Pyle, as well as Senator Dole 2 himself. 3 line with us? If I could just ask Pia, are you on the Okay. 4 MS. PYLE: I'm here. 5 MS. STAFFORD: Oh, great. Wonderful. Thank 6 you. 7 the obverse and reverse that we seek feedback on. 8 9 So I will read the design descriptions of Obverse 4 features a portrait of Bob Dole with the capital in the background. Inscriptions are 10 Son of Kansas, Soldier, Statesman, and Bob Dole. 11 Reverse 4 depicts a Kansas wheat field below a 12 quote from Senator Dole, 'For greatness lies not 13 in what office you hold, but in how honest you 14 are, and how you face adversity, and in your 15 willingness to stand fast in hard places.' 16 additional inscription, Act of Congress 2017, is 17 arched across the bottom. 18 MS. LANNIN: 19 MS. STAFFORD: 20 21 22 The Madam Chair? Thank you very much. I don’t know if Ms., Ms. Pyle would like to say something. MS. LANNIN: Ms. Pyle, would you like to say anything? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 34 1 MS. PYLE: Nothing in particular other than 2 thank you very much. 3 really exciting for the senator to be able to sort 4 of look at these designs. And he's been, been 5 great about his feedback. It really helps to have 6 these large images for him with his sort of vision 7 problem, but he has a really good idea of what he 8 likes and where he'd like things placed. 9 just really appreciate everybody's flexibility 10 This has actually been So I and, and all the hard work you do. 11 MS. LANNIN: Well, thank you very much, Ms. 12 Pyle. We try to accommodate all, all, all 13 recipients of Congressional Gold Medals in the 14 best way that we possibly can. 15 ask if there are, is any member of the committee 16 that would like to make a motion that we accept 17 both the obverse and reverse design and we can 18 vote on that? 19 MR. URAM: 20 MS. LANNIN: 21 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 22 MS. LANNIN: I would like to Second it. Tom, you said that? This is Jeanne speaking. Yes, Jeanne. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 35 1 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Before we make a motion, 2 is there any, is there any way we can discuss the 3 -- I realize that the liaison has said this is 4 what they want, but I was wondering if this is the 5 font we want? 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 MS. LANNIN: I'm sorry. You were wondering if what? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: font -- the lettering. The font. Is this the Is this the lettering style that we find most attractive for this medal? MS. PYLE: is Pia. Are you asking -- I'm sorry. This Were you asking me -- MS. LANNIN: Yes, Pia, that would be a good question for you. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: I'm asking anybody 16 because let me -- I love, I love the obverse. 17 think it's a very beautiful rendering of Senator 18 Dole and I love the wheat fields and everything. 19 But this, the text, the lettering, I don't know. 20 It seems like it could be a little more 21 interesting. 22 MS. PYLE: It That's all. So we didn't have -- the senator www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 36 1 didn't really, he didn't really comment -- to him 2 what was more important was the quotes and then 3 the phrases on the front. 4 know, to me, to be honest with you, we just sort 5 of left it. 6 artist. 7 font, you know, as far as fitting things in, how 8 it would look on the medals. 9 I'm not an artist. He's not an You know, that maybe this was the best I'm not entirely sure if this font works best 10 for these medals or not. 11 honest with you. 12 MS. SEVENS-SOLLMAN: 13 MR. JANSEN: 14 And then he -- so, you So I'm not sure, to be Can I, could I ask -- Joe Menna would like to say something if that's okay. 15 MR. MENNA: 16 MS. LANNIN: 17 MS. PYLE: 18 MR. MENNA: Yeah, this is Joe in Philly. Hi, Joe. Oh, good. One thing that I would like to say 19 is if a different font is chosen, it's going to 20 change the kerning, the spacing, and possibly the 21 size of the lettering, creating completely 22 different effects on both the obverse and reverse. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 37 1 But that's just something to consider. 2 3 MS. LANNIN: Joe. Thanks for weighing in on that, I appreciate that. 4 MS. MENNA: 5 MS. LANNIN: Oh, thank you. Is there any other member of the 6 committee that would like to discuss the, the 7 style of the font? 8 MR. JANSEN: Madam Chair? 9 MS. LANNIN: Yes, Erik. 10 MS. JANSEN: This is not a font question. I 11 think there's a grammatical error on the reverse. 12 I'm certain you could ask any people in my life, 13 in my family, and I'm not a grammar Nazi. 14 qualify. 15 is inappropriate in that alliteration of thoughts. 16 17 I don’t But I think, I think the third comma is, MS. LANNIN: Are you talking about the Oxford comma? 18 MR. MENNA: I don't know if it's an Oxford 19 comma or just a small comma, or a comma in this 20 font. 21 MR. JANSEN: It's an Oxford comma. 22 MS. LANNIN: It's an Oxford comma and it's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 38 1 2 style choice MS. MENNA: Okay. Well, normally I wouldn’t 3 have a comma before and as you alliterate, head 4 into alliterate your last, or enumerate, rather, 5 your last phrase. 6 MS. LANNIN: Okay. Any other comments on the 7 style of -- I think Joe kind of told us what was 8 under consideration for using this particular font 9 and style. Is there anybody else that would like 10 to address that? 11 MR. JANSEN: With all due respect, I think the 12 mint's facing a heavy deadline here and I 13 certainly sense that. 14 committee to potentially be a little less 15 demanding on this and a little more interested in 16 moving forward. 17 MS. LANNIN: So I would encourage the All right. Thank you very much 18 for your comments, Erik. 19 member of the committee who would like to make a 20 motion that we accept the art for obverse 4 and 21 reverse 4 as presented to our committee today? 22 MR. HOGE: So again, is there a This is Robert. So moved. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting October 25, 2017 Page 39 1 MR. URAM: 2 MS. LANNIN: 3 - okay. Second, Tom. Okay. So Tom is second, Robert - All in favor of the motion? 4 ALL: Aye. 5 MS. LANNIN: Any opposed? The motion passes 6 unanimously. 7 gentlemen. 8 minutes, 40 minutes out of your day for these two 9 meetings. 10 11 12 13 Thank you very much, ladies and I appreciate your carving out 39 MS. STAFFORD: And thank you, Pia, for joining us. MS. LANNIN: Thank you so much for everybody at the American Legion as well. 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