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United States Mint
801 9th Street NW
Washington DC 20220
Minutes of CCAC Public Meeting
Tuesday, October 24, 2022
(10:01 am- 4:38 pm)
I. Attendance
a. Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) Members in Attendance:
• Dr. Lawrence Brown (Chair)
• Darla Jackson
• Kellen Hoard
• Dr. Peter van Alfen
• Arthur Bernstein
• Dr. Harcourt Fuller (remote)
• Dr. Christopher Capozzola
• Donald Scarinci
• John Saunders
• Michael Moran
• Dennis Tucker
b. Mint Officers and Staff in Attendance:
• Kristie McNally, Deputy Director, United States Mint
• April Stafford, Chief, Office of Design Management
• Megan Sullivan, Senior Design Specialist, Office of Design Management
• Pam Borer, Design Manager, Office of Design Management
• Roger Vasquez, Senior Design Specialist, Office of Design Management (remote)
• Russell Evans, Design Manager, Office of Design Management
• Sukrita Baijal, Design Manager, Office of Design Management
• Boneza Hanchock, Design Manager, Office of Design Management (remote)
• Michael Costello, Manager, Design and Engraving
• Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs and Liaison to the CCAC
• Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the CCAC
• Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental
Affairs
• Mike White, Office of Corporate Communication (remote)
c. Members of the Media in Attendance (remote):
• Mike Unser, Founder and Editor of Coin News Media Group, LLC
• Paul Gilkes, Coin World Senior Editor, AMOS Media

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d. Liaisons in Attendance:
• Jean Milbern, the mother, and executor of Stacey Park Milbern
• Joel Milbern, the father of Stacey Park Milbern
• Jessica Milbern, the sister of Stacey Park Milbern
• David Milbern, the brother of Stacey Park Milbern
• David Rubin, son of Dr. Vera Rubin
• Karl Rubin, son of Dr. Vera Rubin
• Allan Rubin, son of Dr. Vera Rubin
• Shannon Browning-Mullis, the Executive Director of Juliette Godon Low Birthplace [in person]
• Michelle Duster, the great granddaughter of Ida B. Wells
• Daniel Duster, the great granddaughter of Ida B. Wells
• Donald Felder, cousin, and executor of Althea Gibson
• Don Ferencz, the son of Benjamin Ferencz
II. Minutes
1. Chairperson Brown called the meeting to order at approximately 10:01 AM. Chairperson Brown

conducted roll call and determined that quorum was met. Attendance of media, Mint staff and officers,
and liaisons were recognized.
2. Following Chairperson Brown’s brief introduction of Dr. Christopher Capozzola, Ms. Kristie McNally,

the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, administered the oath of office to Dr. Capozzola, who is
a professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Dr. Capozzola was appointed for the position
specially qualified in American history.
3. The CCAC minutes and letters to the Secretary of the Treasury from our public meeting on April 18,

2023were approved via a motion from Arthur Bernstein, seconded by Peter van Alfen.
4. Chairperson Brown then asked four of the CCAC members, who attended the CCAC public forum at the

ANA’s World’s Fair of Money in Pittsburg, PA, to share their experience and provide their view of the
significance. offered for several members of the CCAC to discuss recent public forum. Donald Scarinci,
Dennis Tucker, Arthur Bernstein, and Kellen Hoard provided their comments.
5. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management, provided background information on the

American Women Quarters program, honoring five women in each year of the program, as authorized
by the legislation. Public Law 116-330, the Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act of 2020 (Act),
authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury (Secretary) to issue up to five quarter dollars each year
emblematic of prominent American women beginning in 2022 and continuing through 2025. The
women to be featured on these quarters were selected in accordance with a process approved by the
Secretary and in consultation with the Smithsonian American Women’s History Initiative, the National
Women’s History Museum, and the Congressional Bipartisan Women’s Caucus.
6. The common obverse for this last year of the program depicts a portrait of George Washington. The

design was originally composed and sculpted by Laura Gardin Fraser as a candidate entry for the 1932
quarter, which honored the bicentennial of George Washington’s birth. The inscriptions are
“LIBERTY,” “IN GOD WE TRUST,” and “2025.”

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7. The reverse designs for this program “shall be emblematic of the accomplishments and contributions of

one prominent woman of the United States and may include contributions to the United States in a wide
spectrum of accomplishments and fields, including but not limited to suffrage, civil rights, abolition,
government, humanities, science, space, and arts, and should honor women from ethnically, racially, and
geographically diverse backgrounds.”
8. April Stafford further provided the background of the 2025 American Women Quarter of Stacey Park

Milbern candidate design portfolio and descriptions.
9. Jean Milbern (mother and Executor of Stacey Park Milbern), Joel Milbern (father of Stacey Park

Milbern), Jessica Milbern (sister of Stacey Park Milbern), and David Milbern (brother of Stacey Park
Milbern) were the liaisons for this program and attended the meeting remotely. Joel Milbern and Jean
Milbern spoke on behalf of the family.
10. After the presentation of the seven candidate designs, the CCAC, the Mint staff, and liaisons were asked

if there were any legal, technical, or other considerations. A robust discussion occurred with questions
by CCAC members and answers by the liaisons.
11. With this background, each CCAC member provided comments regarding the candidate designs. This

was followed by further CCAC questions and answers by the liaisons.
12. The CCAC scored the candidate designs, and design SPM-02A received the high score of 28/33 points.
13. On a motion by Dennis Tucker, seconded by Arthur Bernstein, the Committee recommended

unanimously candidate design SPM-02A, which depicts Milbern speaking to an audience. She places
one finger on her trach while her right hand faces palm up, in a gesture meant to evoke a genuine
exchange of ideas and the building of allyship. The additional inscription is “DISABILITY JUSTICE.”
14. Chairperson Brown thanked the family for their participation and the invaluable information they

provided.
15. Chairperson Brown called for a recess for lunch and to return at 12:40 pm.
16. Chairperson Brown called the meeting back in to order and conducted rollcall of the CCAC members to

determine a quorum.
17. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management, provided the background of the Benjamin

Ferencz Congressional Gold Medal candidate design portfolio and descriptions.
18. Don Ferencz, the son of Benjamin Ferencz was the liaison for this program and shared comments

remotely.
19. After the presentation of the twenty-two obverse candidate designs and the fifteen reverse candidate

designs, the Committee, the Mint staff, and liaisons were asked if there were any legal, technical, or
other considerations. A robust discussion occurred of questions by CCAC members and answers by the
liaisons.
20. With this background, each CCAC member provided comments regarding the obverse and reverse

candidate designs. This was followed by further CCAC questions and answers by the liaisons.
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21. The CCAC scored the candidate designs and the high scoring designs were obverse design BF-O-01B

with a perfect score of 33/33 points, and reverse candidate design BF-R-04A with a score of 25/33
points.
22. On a motion by Dennis Tucker, seconded by Arthur Bernstein, the CCAC voted unanimously obverse

candidate design BF-O-01B and reverse candidate design BF-R-04A with periods removed and a
request by the Mint to provide additional clarification of the meaning of the five battle stars.
23. Chairperson Brown thanked Mr. Don Ferencz for his participation and the invaluable information he

provided.
24. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management, provided the background of the 2025

American Women Quarter of Ida B Wells candidate design portfolio and descriptions.
25. Michelle Duster, the great granddaughter of Ida B. Wells and Daniel Duster, the great-granddaughter of

Ida B. Wells served as liaisons for this program and attended the meeting remotely.
26. After the presentation of the candidate designs, the CCAC, the Mint staff, and liaisons were asked if

there were any legal, technical, or other considerations. A robust discussion occurred of questions by
CCAC members and answers by the liaisons.
27. With this background, each CCAC member provided comments regarding the nine reverse candidate

designs. This was followed by further CCAC questions and answers by the liaisons.
28. The CCAC scored the candidate designs and design IBW-06 was the high scoring design with a score of

26/33 points.
29. On a motion by Arthur Bernstein, seconded by John Saunders, the CCAC voted unanimously for reverse

candidate design IBW-06 adding the necklace jewelry and substituting “JOURNALIST, SUFFRAGIST,
CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST” for the inscriptions “JOURNALISM, SUFFRAGE, CIVIL RIGHTS”.
30. Chairperson Brown thanked Michelle and Daniel Duster for their participation and the invaluable

information they provided.
31. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management, provided the background of the 2025

American Women Quarter of Juliette Gordon Low candidate design portfolio and descriptions.
32. Shannon Browning-Mullis, the Executive Director of Juliette Gordon Low Birthplace served as the

liaison for this program and attended the meeting in person.
33. After the presentation of the candidate designs, the CCAC, the Mint staff, and liaisons were asked if

there were any legal, technical, or other considerations. A robust discussion occurred of questions by
CCAC members and answers by the liaisons.
34. With this background, each CCAC member provided comments regarding the candidate designs. This

was followed by further CCAC questions and answers by the liaisons. By a score of 20 out of a
maximum thirty-three points the CCAC supported both candidate design JGL-01 and JGL-07.
Following further discussion and by a narrow majority, the CCAC voted to recommended JGL-07,
which is also a preference by the liaison and is favored by the CFA.
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35. Chairperson Brown thanked Shannon Browning-Mullis for her participation and the invaluable

information she provided.
36. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management, provided the background of the 2025

American Women Quarter of Dr. Vera Rubin candidate design portfolio and descriptions.
37. The sons of Dr. Vera Rubin, David Rubin, Karl Rubin, and Allan Rubin were the liaisons for this

program and attended the meeting remotely.
38. After the presentation of the candidate designs, the CCAC, the Mint staff, and liaisons were asked if

there were any legal, technical, or other considerations. A robust discussion occurred of questions by
CCAC members and answers by the liaisons.
39. With this background, each CCAC member provided comments regarding the candidate designs. This

was followed by further CCAC questions and answers by the liaisons.
40. The CCAC scored the candidate designs and design VR-03 received the highest score with 26/33 points.
41. On a motion by Kellen Hoard, seconded by Peter van Alfen, the CCAC recommended unanimously

candidate design VR-03, with greater differentiation of the inscription “United States of America” from
the inscription “Dark Matter”.
42. Chairperson Brown thanked Allen Rubin, David Rubin, and Karl Rubin for their participation and the

invaluable information they provided.
43. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management, provided the background of the 2025

American Women Quarter of Althea Gibson candidate design portfolio and descriptions.
44. Mr. Donald Felder, the cousin and executor for the estate of Althea Gibson, served as the liaison for this

program and attended the meeting remotely.
45. After the presentation of the candidate designs, Mint staff and liaisons were asked if there were any

legal, technical, or other considerations. A robust discussion occurred of questions by CCAC members
and answers by the liaisons.
46. With this background, each CCAC member provided comments regarding the candidate designs. This

was followed by extensive CCAC comments and questions and answers by the Mint and Mr. Felder.
47. The CCAC scored the candidate designs and design AG-04B received the highest score with 24/33

points.
48. On a motion by Dennis Tucker, seconded by John Saunders, the CCAC recommended unanimously

candidate design AG-04B, which while not the initial preference of Mr. Felder, he agreed that it had
merit, sharing with the CCAC that he is also a coin collector.
49. Chairperson Brown thanked Mr. Donald Felder for his participation and the invaluable information he

provided.

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50. As all agenda items were concluded for the first day of meeting, Chairperson Brown thanked the CCAC

Members and the Mint staff for their superb contributions and attendance today. He also like thanked
members of the public and the numismatic community who have sent questions and recommendations to
the CCAC at the email address of Info@CCAC.gov.
51. The Chairperson called the meeting into recess at 4:38 pm until 9 am on October 25, 2023.

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United States Mint
801 9th Street NW
Washington DC 20220
Minutes of CCAC Public Meeting
Wednesday, October 25, 2022
(8:59 am – 9:31 am)
I. Attendance
a. Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) Members in Attendance:
• Dr. Lawrence Brown (Chair)
• Darla Jackson
• Kellen Hoard
• Dr. Peter van Alfen
• Arthur Bernstein
• Dr. Harcourt Fuller (remote)
• Dr. Christopher Capozzola
• Donald Scarinci
• John Saunders
• Michael Moran
• Dennis Tucker
b. Mint Officers and Staff in Attendance:
• April Stafford, Chief, Office of Design Management
• Megan Sullivan, Senior Design Specialist, Office of Design Management
• Pam Borer, Design Manager, Office of Design Management (remote)
• Russell Evens, Design Manager, Office of Design Management
• Roger Vasquez, Senior Design Specialist, Office of Design Management (remote)
• Sukrita Baijal, Design Manager, Office of Design Management
• Boneza Hanchock, Design Manager, Office of Design Management (remote)
• Michael Costello, Manager, Design and Engraving
• Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs and Liaison to the CCAC
(remote)
• Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the CCAC
• Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental
Affairs
• Mike White, Office of Corporate Communication (remote)
c. Members of the Media in Attendance (remote):
• Mike Unser, Founder and Editor of Coin News Media Group, LLC
• Paul Gilkes, Coin World Senior Editor, AMOS Media

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II. Minutes
1. Chairperson Brown called the meeting back to order at approximately 8:58 am. Chairperson Brown

conducted roll call and determined that the quorum has been met. Attendance of media, Mint staff and
officers, and liaisons were recognized.
2. Chairperson Brown then recognized Michael Moran, who made the following statement: “We, the

Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee, are opposed to the mint’s proposed design for the 2024-2025
American Liberty silver medal and high relief gold coin. We respect the effort that went into its
excellent rendition but believe it is the wrong design for this particular program. We are not opposed to
the submitted design itself. We have advocated over many years that the mint considers resurrecting
certain discontinued, and pattern designs that feature 18th and 19th century images of Liberty. Many of
these would be ideal for a distinct silver medal program.
These classic designs, however, are not ideal for the American Liberty program. These gold coins and
accompanying silver medals were conceived within the CCAC and implemented as a program in 2015.
The purpose of this program was to allow the mint’s artists to develop new images of American Liberty
for the 21st Century. The program has successfully initiated this effort. However, more needs to be done
to fully implement the goal of new modern American concepts of Liberty.
The Mint’s own catalog text describes the program: “” The American Liberty Gold Coin Program
celebrates modern interpretations of the concept of American Liberty, exploring the theme beyond the
classical tradition of portraits of allegorical ‘Liberty.” The 1794-dollar design fails to further this stated
purpose. With this being the sense of the Committee, I wish to make the following two motions, to be
taken one at a time. I move that the 1794 Flowing Hair dollar rendition be removed from today’s
agenda, and not be considered for the American Liberty gold coin and silver medal program.”
3. This motion was seconded by Donald Scarinci and approved unanimously by the CCAC.
4. Michael Moran then made the motion: “I move that we strongly recommend that the United States Mint

implement a new Classic Liberty silver medal series using images from its portfolio of discontinued
designs and pattern pieces of the 18th and 19th Centuries.” Upon seeking clarification by April Stafford,
Chief, Office of Design Management, Micheal Moran repeated his motion.
5. This motion was seconded by Donald Scarinci and approved unanimously by the CCAC.
6. Chairperson Brown then proceeded to the next item of the agenda, which was the 2023 CCAC Fiscal

Year Annual Report. Chairperson Brown shared that the annual year is from October 1, 2022, to
September 30, 2023. Second, pursuant to Section 5135 of title 31, United States Code, the CCAC is to
submit an annual report to the Secretary of the Treasury, the House Committee on Financial Services
and the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. By statute, this report is due on
September 30th each year but consistent with the statute and pest practices, it was communicated to the
Secretary and Congress earlier this year that additional time was needed to complete the report and for
approval to occur. The new expected delivery date of the report is to be no later than December 18,
2023. This report encompasses the work of the CCAC over the last fiscal year.

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7. On a motion by Arthur Bernstein, seconded by Peter van Alfen, the CCAC voted unanimously to

approve the Annual Report and to authorize the United States Mint to transmit to the Secretary and
Congress with the edits that have been submitted either now or prior to the meeting and to give the Mint
authority in coordination with the CCAC Chair to make any other technical corrections that are
necessary.
8. Chairperson Brown then noted that this year, the Mint has also worked to provide a smaller document

that can be printed in larger amounts and can be used to distribute to the public. The document will have
standard information about the CCAC as well as including a summary of the current fiscal year. This
will be another tool for the CCAC’s public outreach efforts.
9. Chairperson Brown then explained that congruent with the CCAC’s to continue to serve as an informed,

experienced and impartial resource to the Treasury Secretary, representing the interests of the public and
the numismatic community, the CCAC has established the Future Numismatic Themes Working SubCommittee to assist the CCAC in reviewing the recommendations from the public and the numismatic
community and to determine which are to be forwarded to the Secretary and Congress. Arthur Bernstein
is the Chair of the Future Numismatic Themes Working Sub-Committee.
10. Subcommittee Chair Arthur Bernstein shared that Darla Jackson, Kellen Hoard, John Saunders, Michael

Moran, and Lawrence Brown served as members of the Subcommittee and made a motion, seconded by
Michael Moran be accepted.
11. Subcommittee Chair Arthur Bernstein shared the comprehensive review, including ideas that were

received from the public and referenced in the CCAC Fiscal Year 2023 Annual Report approved today.
12. Following discussion, a motion by Arthur Bernstein, seconded by Michel Moran, the Committee

approved unanimously the following recommendations:
Commemorative Coin Program Recommendations:
Route 66 Established 1926- to recognize the hundredth anniversary of the establishment of Route 66 and
the contribution of this highway to the cultural fabric of the United States
FIFA World Cup- to recognize the first time, hosted by three nations—the United States, Mexico,
and Canada—and, in a break from tradition, it will feature a massive forty-eight teams.
Roberto Clemente – to foster an enduring connection between sports and philanthropy, honoring his
legacy as a beacon of excellence on and off the field and excite youth across the United States.
WWII Pacific Front Philippines/Philippine-American Scouts/80th Anniversary of Philippine
Independence – to recognize the goodwill and friendship with US and the Philippines
Loretta Lynn – to recognize an American country music singer, songwriter, actor, and author. In a
career spanning six decades, releasing multiple gold albums. Supported by a petition with close to
23,000 names.
Grace Hopper – to recognize an American computer scientist, Mathematician and United States
Navy rear admiral, to appreciate her contribution to computer science and, to recognize her place in
American history.
Working Canines – to recognize strong public interest and their important roles in search and rescue
operations, military defense, and aid those with disabilities. This was previously recommended.
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2028 Olympics – to continue this symbol of national pride as well as raise funds for the support of the
athletes participating in the competitions. This was also previously recommended.
Wildlife–Endangered Animals - to recognize conservation/wildlife impacted seriously by climate
change and other environmental factors. Previously recommended due to high interest among adults
and youth.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg – to recognize her twenty-seven-year tenure on the Supreme Court and her
major contributions. While seventeen men, including Chief Justice John Marshall, have been honored
on modern commemorative coins, only two women have been honored since 1982.
Musical Pioneers - to recognize the strength and their inspiring stories of African American opera
singers in three different vocal categories: Soprano, Jessye Mae Norman, Contralto, Marian Anderson,
and Bass-Baritone, William Warfield.
Submariners - to preserve the memory of these remarkable men and women, operating in isolation
and silence often for months, confronting cramped quarters, technical challenges, and the ever-present
threat of danger with sacrifices. Their achievements can serve as a source of inspiration for years to
come.
Juneteenth - to recognize the June 19, 1865, anniversary of the enforcement of the Emancipation
Proclamation. This would substantiate further the significance of this event.
Bass Reeves - a tribute to the first African American, born into slavery, appointed US Marshal Service, and

whose legacy encapsulates the values of justice, determination, and diversity that the nation upholds,
sending a powerful message about the importance of equality and the tireless pursuit of justice.
Gold Coin Recommendation
Incuse Indian Head – While congressional legislation is not required, this represents the Committee’s
support to encourage the US Mint to celebrate the hundredth anniversary in 2029 of the gold coin.
This theme and design stood the test of time and is recognized for the forward thinking it represented
in 1908.
Medal Recommendations
Draft Designs of Liberty – to reintroduce the designs of Liberty from circulating and pattern coins in
the form of a silver medal program to provide access to these beautiful designs that are unique to the
heritage of both the mint and our nation.
STEAM (Science, Tech, Engineering, Arts, Math) - Proposed previously and once again, recognizing our
era where technology, art, and science are increasingly intertwined, honoring STEAM on medals is not just
a nod to their present importance, but an investment in the ongoing advancement of society, where creativity
and critical thinking intersect with progress and innovation.

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13. On a motion by Arthur Bernstein, seconded by Donald Scarinci, the approved unanimously their support

for the following two items with appropriate legislation:
Mint Set with Full Copper Cent or W Mintmark – to increase interest in Lincoln cents and Mint
sets, add a copper Lincoln cent (instead of copper plated zinc) cent on a regular basis each year and
consider a reverse of the cent to commemorate various events as part of the 2026 America
Semiquincentennial celebration.
$5 and/or $10 Higher Value Circulating Coins – to authorize the minting of $5 and $10 coins
available for spending to renew the renew the relevancy and role of coinage in American society as a
cost-effective medium of exchange.
14. As all agenda items were concluded for this two-day meeting, Chair Brown thanked the CCAC

Members and the Mint staff for their superb contributions and attendance during this two-day meeting.
He also thanked members of the public and the numismatic community who have sent questions and
recommendations to the CCAC at the email address of Info@CCAC.gov.
15. Chairperson Brown announced the next public meeting of the CCAC will be on November 28, 2023,

and a Federal Register Notice will be announced the meeting in the coming weeks.
16. On a motion by Michael Moran, seconded by Arthur Bernstein, the meeting was adjourned at 9:31 am.

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