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November 15, 2022

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CCAC Meeting

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Tuesday, November 15, 2022

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10:00 am – 12:00 pm (ET)

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Video Conference Meeting

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ATTENDEES
Lawrence Brown, M.D., Chairperson of the CCAC
Arthur Bernstein, Representing the general public
Harcourt Fuller, Ph.D., Recommended by the Speaker
of the House

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Mary Lannin, Recommended by the House Minority
Leader
Robin Salmon, Qualified in Medalic Arts/Sculpture
Donald Scarinci, Recommended by the Senate Minority
Leader

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Dennis Tucker, Qualified in numismatics
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Peter Van Alfen, Ph.D. Qualified in

numismatics

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Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and
Intergovernmental Affairs, and Mint Liaison to the
CCAC

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Brandon Hall, Whitman Publishing Senior Editor
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Paul Gilkes, Founder and editor
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Amos Media, Coin World Senior Editor
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Mike Unser, Coin News Media Group
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April Stafford, Chief Officer of Design Management
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Megan Sullivan, Senior Design Specialist
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Robert Vasquez, Senior Design Manager
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Pam Borer, Design Manager
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Russell Evans, Design Manager
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Boneza Hanchock, Design Manager
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Michael Costello, Manager of Design and Engraving
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Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to
the CCAC
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Robin Terry, Legal Counsel to the Ghost Army
Congressional Gold Medal

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Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist
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and Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental
Affairs

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Rick Beyer, President of the Ghost Army Legacy
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Project

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Roy Eichhorn, Board member of the Ghost Army Legacy
Project

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Stephanie Leech, daughter of a member of the Ghost
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Army

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P R O C E E D I N G S
DR. BROWN:

And a pleasant good morning to

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everyone.

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call to order this meeting of the Citizens

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Coinage Advisory Committee for Tuesday -- for

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Tuesday, November 15th, 2022.

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remind everyone -- remind each member of the

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committee to make -- to make sure the mute his

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or her phone or microphone on their Microsoft

It's good Tuesday morning, and I

I would like to

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teams when we are not talking, and to announce

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our names at the beginning of each time that we

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speak.

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this is a listen only hearing, and to mute your

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phones and your microphones, if indeed for

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whatever reason, you're able to use them.

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Before we begin, I want to introduce

Additionally, I remind the public that

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members of the committee.

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respond present when I call your name.

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Representing the General Public, Arthur

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Bernstein.

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MR. BERNSTEIN:

Members, please

Arthur Bernstein is

present.
DR. BROWN:

Recommended by the Speaker of

the House, Dr. Harcourt Fuller.
MR. FULLER:

Harcourt Fuller is present.

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DR. BROWN:

Specifically qualified in

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American history, Dr. Dean Kotlowski.

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move forward.

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Recommended by the House Minority Leader, Mary

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Lannin.

We will

He may be just joining us.

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MS. LANNIN:

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DR. BROWN:

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Majority Leader.

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with us.

Mary Lannin is here.
Recommended by the Senate
I'm sorry, Mike will not be

Moving forward.

Specifically

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Qualified in Medallic Arts or Sculpture, Robin

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Salmon.

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MS. SALMON:

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DR. BROWN:

Robin Salmon is present.
Recommended by the Senate

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Minority Leader, Donald Scarinci.

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catch up with us later.

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Specifically Qualified in Numismatics, Dennis

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Tucker.

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MR. TUCKER:

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DR. BROWN:

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He will

Moving forward.

Present.
Specifically Qualified as a

Numismatist Curator, Dr. Peter van Alfen.

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DR. VAN ALFEN:

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DR. BROWN:

Peter van Alfen present.

And I am Dr. Lawrence Brown,

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representing the General Public and Chair of

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the CCAC.

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quorum.

By my count I believe we have a
For today -- the agenda for today's
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public meeting includes the following:

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Acceptance of the letters to the Secretary and

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approval of the minutes for our September 27th,

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2022 meeting; review and approval of the 2022

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Annual Report; and lastly, but not leastly,

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review and discussion of the candidate designs

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for the Ghost Army Congressional Gold Medal.

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Before we begin our proceedings, I ask the Mint

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Liaison to the CCAC, Ms. Jennifer Warren, if we

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are aware of any members of the press who have

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remotely signed in for this public meeting.

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MS. WARREN:

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Jennifer Warren.

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know, Dean is having technical difficulties, so

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he will not be able to attend, and I believe

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Donald is running slightly late, just so you're

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aware of the members attendance.

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today is Brandon Hall, Whitman Publishing, Paul

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Gilkes, Amos Media-Coin World, and Mike Unser,

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Coin News Media Group.

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DR. BROWN:

Good morning, sir.

This is

And also just to let you

Joining us

Thank you so much. For the

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record, I'd like to confirm that the following

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Mint staff are attending the meeting today.

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Please indicate present as I have called your

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name.

April Stafford, Chief Office of Design
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Management, Megan Sullivan Senior Design

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Specialist.

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MS. SULLIVAN:

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DR. BROWN:

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Present.

Roger Vasquez, Senior Design

Manager.

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MR. VASQUEZ:

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DR. BROWN:

Pam Borer, Design Manager.

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MS. BORER:

Present.

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DR. BROWN:

Russell Evans, Design Manager.

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MR. EVANS:

Present.

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DR. BROWN:

Boneza Hanchock, Design

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Present.

Manager.

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MS. HANCHOCK:

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DR. BROWN:

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Present.

Michael Costello, Manager of

Design and Engraving.

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MR. COSTELLO:

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DR. BROWN:

Present.

Jennifer Warren, Director of

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Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs and

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Liaison to the CCAC.

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MS. WARREN:

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DR. BROWN:

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Jennifer Warren is present.
Greg Weinman, Senior Legal

Counsel and Counsel to the CCAC.
MS. WEINMAN:

Good morning, Dr. Brown.

Present.
DR. BROWN:

Robin Terry, Legal Counsel to

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the Ghost Army Congressional Gold Medal.

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Present.

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DR. BROWN:

Brandon Tate, Senior

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Governmental -- Government Affairs Specialist

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and Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental

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Affairs.

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MR. TATE:

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DR. BROWN:

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Present.
And finally, we are pleased

that the following liaisons will be on the call

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today for the Ghost Army Congressional Medal.

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That includes Rick Beyer, President of the

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Ghost Army Legacy Project.

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MR. BEYER:

Present.

present.
DR. BROWN:

Roy Eichhorn, Board member of

the Ghost Army Legacy Project.

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MR. EICHHORN:

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DR. BROWN:

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Rick Beyer is

Roy Eichhorn present.

And Stephanie -- Stephanie

Leech, daughter of a member of the Ghost Army.

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MS. LEECH:

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MS. STAFFORD:

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DR. BROWN:

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MS. STAFFORD:

Stephanie Leech present.
Dr. Brown?

Yes, ma'am.
This is April Stafford.

I

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said present, but I had my microphone off, so I

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apologize.
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DR. BROWN:

No apology necessary, but

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thank you so much.

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Mint, and ask if there are there any other

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issues that need to be addressed before we

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start?

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proceed without any concern on those matters.

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The first order of business for --

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I'd like to begin with the

Carrying on, and I assume that we may

MS. STAFFORD:

Dr. Brown, this is April,

and I absolutely defer to you, sir.

Given that

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we do have all of the liaisons for the program,

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it's totally -- totally up to you.

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know if you would want to perhaps start with

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that program, so then the committee could

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concentrate on its administrative matters

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without concern about timing or anything like

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that.

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sit through the review of the interim report if

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that's preferable.

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I don't

Our representatives are also prepared to

DR. BROWN:

I think that's a wonderful

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suggestion, April, and I thank you so much for

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making it.

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Not a problem.

I

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apologize, actually, for not bringing it up

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earlier.

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able to bring you this portfolio at this

We've -- we're just thrilled to be

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And I prefer that order, in

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fact, to be revised as you suggested because

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for a number of reasons.

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just got through celebrating Veterans Day.

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number two, many of the members of the

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committee, merit by our liaison to let you

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know, I'm a proud Vietnam veteran, and I served

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in the Army.

Number one, that we
And

So to speak about something

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pertaining to the Army, that branch that I

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believe and, you know, you don't have to swear

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to this, you don't have to, in fact, talk about

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those people in the Marines or the Navy or --

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But I swear to them, I think this is the best

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branch.

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move, change the order of the meeting to, in

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fact, deal with the item on the agenda dealing

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with the gold Army -- Ghost Army Congressional

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Gold Medal, and for that, unless there's any

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concern by anyone, by Jennifer or Greg, then

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I'm going to suggest that we proceed in that

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direction.

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you can give a report and introduce the

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stakeholders as appropriate so that you can

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give us this program.

So I'm loving the idea that we will

And thus begin with you, April.

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MS. STAFFORD:

Absolutely, if there are no

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issues, I'll go ahead and provide an

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introduction for this program.

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much, Dr. Brown.

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awards a Congressional Gold Medal to the 23rd

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Headquarters Special Troops and the 3133rd

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Signal Service Company, collectively known as

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the Ghost Army, in recognition of their unique

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and highly distinguished service in conducting

Thank you so

It is public law 117-85 that

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deception operations during World War II.

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Ghost Army were U.S. Army tactical units that

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deceived the German Army on the battlefields of

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Europe, saving thousands of lives and making a

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significant contribution to allied victory.

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The Ghost Army was unique in the variety of

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media employed, and its ability to portray the

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size and movement of the actual units.

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utilized four types of deception.

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visual deception.

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camouflage engineers deployed an array of

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inflatable rubber tanks, trucks, artillery, and

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other vehicles, as well as pyrotechnic displays

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to create convincing deceptive tableaus for

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enemy observers.

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assisted by using bulldozers to create phony

The

They

First,

An example here is the 603rd

The 406 combat engineers

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tank tracks.

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security.

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here the 3132nd Signal Service Company, which

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is a sister unit to the 3133rd, played sound

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effects from powerful speakers to simulate the

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sounds of units moving and operating at night.

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They also employed radio deception.

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Company special created phony traffic networks

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and sent fake messages to fool enemy

They also handled the 23rd

Also, they used sonic deception.

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The Signal

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intelligence officers listening in.

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mastered the art of mimicking a real operator's

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method of sending Morse code so that the enemy

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would never catch on that the real unit and its

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radio operator were long gone.

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employed special effects.

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theatrics for the benefit of enemy spies left

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behind by the retreating Germans.

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fake shoulder patches, rode in vehicles with

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fake bumper markings, pretended to, quote

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unquote, talk loose at cafes, and even

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impersonated generals to make their deceptions

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more convincing.

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Operations studies and takes inspiration from

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the wartime activities of these two units.

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developing the designs, the United States Mint,

They

Also, they

Soldiers carried out

They wore

Today, our U.S. Army Special

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led by Megan Sullivan, our design manager,

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worked with three liaisons, Rick Beyer as you

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mentioned, President of the Ghost Army Legacy

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Project, Roy Eichhorn, Ghost Army Legacy

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Project Board member and a stepson of a Ghost

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Army soldier, and Stephanie Leech, daughter of

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a Ghost Army soldier.

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being with us today.

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any comments you'd like to share with the

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So thank you so much for
Mr. Beyer, do you have

committee?
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Oh, absolutely.

This is Rick

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Beyer.

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to thank the Mint and thank April for that

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terrific summary of the Ghost Army, and I want

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to compliment all of the artists who submitted

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designs to the portfolio.

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the liaisons were deeply impressed with the

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kind of artistry and creativity, and there were

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some surprises.

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at that stuff.

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course, that this recognition is finally

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happening.

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after the war, and after a seven-year lobbying

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effort.

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kept three major considerations in mind as we

Try to stop me.

First of all, I want

I think all three of

And so it was fabulous to look
And we are all very excited, of

You know, almost 80 years after --

Very briefly, I want to say that we

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were looking at the medals and -- and in making

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a recommendation about which ones we liked.

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And one was we wanted to reflect all four kinds

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of deceptions that April mentioned.

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people think this is just about inflatable

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tanks, but it's not.

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different kinds of deception, visual, sonic,

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radio and special effects.

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-- in the -- one of the recommended designs

A lot of

It's about all these

And that's what the

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that we like is he's sewing a patch onto his

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shirt, and so that's kind of what's going on

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there in special effects.

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medal to contain the insignia.

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unofficial insignia, but nevertheless very

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recognizable insignia for each of the units,

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the 23rd and the 3133rd.

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to name all the countries or the campaigns, the

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U.S. Army campaigns, that these units were

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involved in because again, sometimes people

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think, oh, this is something that happened,

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this is D-Day or this is just Normandy.

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this is something that happens all over

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Northern Europe and even in Italy.

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reviewed ourselves and reviewed with some other

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stakeholders, April, I can say what we

Two, we wanted the
These are

And three, we wanted

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recommended here, right, I believe.

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remember.

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I don't

I don't think you said that but --

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Yes, please.

I will

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highlight them as we go through, but please,

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yes absolutely.

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So we recommended or we

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unanimously settled on obverse three and

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reverse five if I've got that correct.

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correct me if I got it wrong.

Roy,

And the only

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things that are missing is we see it now from

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the medal at this point if we select those two

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are the words Act of Congress 2022, which the

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Mint has assured us can easily be put on that

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obverse side.

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further as we go along, and after Roy Eichhorn

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and Stephanie Leech, the other two liaisons get

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their say, the only other point I really want

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to mention is that there are only ten soldiers

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left out of perhaps 1,300 who served in this

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unit, so we feel the urgency of moving forward

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and trying to make this happen so that we can

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honor these soldiers while some of them are

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still here.

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remarks.

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I'm happy to answer questions

And with that, I'll close my

MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you so much.

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say that Mr. Eichhorn or Ms. Leech wanted to

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say a few words?

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to them or --

I mean you're welcome to pass

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MR. BEYER:

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Yes.
Okay.

So I will pass to Roy Eichhorn

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and ask him to speak.

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to all the things, you said also a 30-year

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employee of the U.S. Army as well.

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know, Dr.

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listen to his remarks.

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And Roy is, in addition

So, you

Brown, keep that in mind as you

MR. EICHHORN:

Good morning.

This is Roy

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Eichhorn.

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dovetailed on probably the end of your time.

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spent over 30 years with Department of the Army

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in various roles, and as I said, my dad was one

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of the veterans, and he was an illustrator.

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His entire career was as an artist and

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illustrator, and that's what kept us fed

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through the years.

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First of all, these were citizen soldiers for

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the most part.

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numbers of technical experts and artists that

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they needed in the time that they had, so they

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reached down to get these folks, and as some of

Dr. Brown, thank you.

I kind of
I

A couple of things to add.

The Army could not create the

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them have told us, you know, had it not been

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for the war, they would never have been

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anywhere near the Army.

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group great soldiers, and one of the amazing

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things is they were told to keep quiet about

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this for 51 years.

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declassification, this was top secret, didn't

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start until 1996.

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my dad even though I had a security clearance,

But they were as a

And so the

And in my case, for example,

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he wouldn't tell me anything about what he did.

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He told me some soldierly kinds of things, but

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nothing about operations.

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of an officer last week.

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veterans who was an officer also had a security

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clearance.

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any of it until it was declassified.

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of what this is about, as much as anything

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else, is nobody knew about these folks after

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the war.

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track of it.

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is trying to educate people even within the

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Army, and bring the Ghost Army and its

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accomplishments up to the present.

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that's probably it for the moment for me.

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Subject to your questions, I'm going to hand

I talked to the son
The son of one of the

His father told him nothing about
So part

Even within the Army, the Army lost
So part of what we've been doing

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this off to Stephanie.
MS. LEECH:

Well thank you, Roy.

This is

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Stephanie Leech.

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Leech.

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told me nothing either.

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technician in the fifth grade in the 3133rd

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Signal Service Company which operated in Italy.

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As was already noted, the sonic technicians

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reproduced the sounds of the United States Army

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at work, and in doing so, drew the attention of

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the axis guns, along with flexibility of motion

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to the unit they were replicating.

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Ghost Army in the 3133rd were sitting ducks

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with targets on their backs.

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father's service, in his bravery is

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overwhelming.

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thanks to each and every artist for their

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gorgeous designs.

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made choosing a final recommendation a

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formidable task.

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Sullivan and the Mint for their guidance

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through the process.

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would have been traveling blind.

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for your consideration.

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MS. SULLIVAN:

Again, my name's Stephanie

I'm the daughter of Walter Leech who
He served as a

Yes, the

My pride in my

I wish to express my heartfelt

They were all awesome and

Also, thanks to Megan

Without her help, we
Thank you all

Thank you so much.

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Brown, are you okay if we go ahead and share

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our screen so that we can start moving through

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the candidate designs?

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DR. BROWN:

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MS. SULLIVAN:

Yes, ma'am.
Wonderful.

Please proceed.
All right.

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We're going to start with the obverse candidate

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designs.

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design depicts a group of soldiers assembling

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an inflatable tank and features the emblems of

First we have obverse one.

This

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the 23rd Headquarters Special Troops and the

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3133rd Signal Service Company.

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depicts the emblems of the 23rd Headquarters

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Special Troops and the 3133rd Signal Service

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Company above the image of a Sherman tank.

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Inside the central circle, the Ghost Army's

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trickery gives the appearance of a real tank,

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while outside the circle, the visual deception

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is revealed and the tank is an inflatable decoy

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carried by four soldiers.

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our liaison noted, this is the preferred

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obverse of all of our liaisons with whom we

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worked.

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methods of subterfuge practiced by the Ghost

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Army.

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in Morse code, together with the soldiers

Obverse two

Obverse three.

As

Obverse three depicts the four main

A telegrapher is shown keying a message

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sowing a phony unity patch onto his uniform.

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In the background, a soldier stands alongside a

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half track with a loudspeaker attached to it,

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and behind a group of soldiers carry an

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inflatable tank.

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Ghost Army and World War II.

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depict Ghost Army soldiers setting up

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inflatable tanks as German planes fly overhead.

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There we have obverse 4 and 4A.

The inscriptions are, the
Obverses 4 and 4A

Moving on,

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obverse five features the emblems of the 23rd

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Headquarters Special Troops and the 3133rd

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Signal Service Company.

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the emblem of the 23rd Headquarters Special

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Troops.

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have reverse one.

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four types of deception.

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mouth while holding a radio transmitter.

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soldier with his fingers in his ears represents

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the use of loudspeakers.

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his eyes represents the various visual

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deceptions, and the standing figure represents

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the other theatrical special effects.

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two depicts an army helmet superimposed over a

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mask with a partial view of a man's head

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beneath representing the deception of the eyes

Obverse six depicts

And moving on to reverse designs.

We

This design represents the
A soldier covers his
A

A soldier covering

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and ears, as well as special effects

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represented by the empty helmet and mask.

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Reverse three depicts a speaker used by the

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Ghost Army to broadcast sounds intended to

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deceive the enemy about allied movements at

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night.

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the fist style used by radio transmitters

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morphs into a string of morse code spelling

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deception.

At the top, a man's fist representing

The code then morphs into a thread

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through a needle being used to sew a 79th

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infantry patch atop a 23rd Headquarters Special

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Troops patch.

13

painting numbers on a vehicle's bumper, a radio

14

tech timing a telegraph communication, and a

15

soldier positioning a turret on top of an

16

inflatable tank representing the special

17

effects audio deception and visual deception

18

undertaken by the Ghost Army.

19

depict the emblems of the 23rd Headquarters

20

Special Troops and the 3133rd Signal Service

21

Company.

22

reverse five for a moment, if you don't mind,

23

because it is reverse five that is the

24

preferred reverse design of all of the

25

liaisons.

Reverse four is a soldier

I'll stop.

Reverse 5 and 5A

If we can focus on

There is a recommended edit to the
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obverse that you saw earlier, which would add

2

Act of Congress 2022 arching beneath the --

3

beneath the Ghost Army inscription at the top.

4

And so therefore, in this reverse design, the

5

date 2022 could also be removed.

6

engraver suggested perhaps placing a star in

7

that location to address the gap that would be

8

created in the design. And I mentioned 5A.

9

Moving on to 6 and 6A.

And our chief

These designs depict

10

the emblems of the 23rd Headquarters Special

11

Troops and the 3133rd Signal Service Company.

12

And reverse seven depicts the emblem of the

13

3133rd's Signal Service Company and includes a

14

variety of inscriptions which you can see

15

there.

16

candidate designs.

17

And Dr.

DR. BROWN:

Brown, that concludes the
I'll turn it back to you.

Thank you so much, April.

I

18

really appreciate that.

19

members on the committee.

20

technical or legal questions from the committee

21

about this program or these designs for the

22

Ghost Army Congressional Gold Medal before we

23

begin our general discussion?

24
25

MR. BERNSTEIN:

Now turning to our
Are there any

Dr. Brown, this is Arthur

Bernstein with a question.
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DR. BROWN:

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MR. BERNSTEIN:

Please proceed.
I was curious about a

3

phrase that appeared on several of the designs

4

Illusion against Iron. I tried Googling that,

5

and couldn't find any explanation of where that

6

phrase came from, and I was hoping someone

7

could tell me more about that.

8

MS. STAFFORD:

So I'm imagining that we'll

9

have to ask our liaison.

Mr. Beyer, would you

10

like to respond to that?

Obviously, Megan,

11

you're more than welcome as well.

12

MR. BEYER:

I'll respond.

It came from

13

Roy Eichhorn, who was here on the call as we

14

were -- we were casting about, in addition to

15

other considerations, for -- for things to say

16

on the medal, and it was a phrase that he had

17

come up with that we all liked.

18

well, you can try this on some of the medals.

19

It is not a phrase that was used at the time,

20

or -- or as far as I know, Roy, or in any

21

official way, it was a phrase that we came up

22

with that we thought might be worthy of looking

23

at.

24

up with which -- which were not reflected on

25

design.

So we said,

There were some other phrases we also came

So that's kind of the origin of it.
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Roy, do you want to add anything to that?
MR. EICHHORN:

Yeah, part of what we were

3

thinking about was something that would tie

4

some of the visuals together with a simple

5

phrase, and that was why illusion, which is

6

what the Ghost Army did against iron, which was

7

real people shooting real bullets at them.

8

we tried to keep it short and simple, but still

9

add something in for somebody that might not

So

10

necessarily get the whole picture of the Ghost

11

Army to start with.

12

a bit more from that standpoint.

So it might draw people in

13

MR. BEYER:

Thank you.

14

DR. BROWN:

Any other question from

15

members of the committee?

16

none, let us begin our consideration.

17

to remind members to please keep your comments

18

to five minutes or less, and to always identify

19

yourself for the court reporter prior to

20

speaking.

21

we'll indicate when the time may be close to

22

being expired.

23

have any questions or comments on any other

24

aspect of the program, please refrain from

25

asking these or discussing it until after you

Hearing none, seeing
I'd like

We'll be keeping track of time and

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are recognized or at the end of the discussion

2

on this program, when I promise I will ask you

3

again if there are additional comments.

4

the benefit of the court reporter and those

5

calling in, I ask that you state your name

6

again when you are speaking, when you begin,

7

before you begin speaking.

8

that I will endeavor to make sure to, once we

9

get to the part of the committee, that we're

For

And to let you know

10

going to take a motion that I will make sure to

11

restate the name of the person making the

12

motion and the person also seconding the

13

motion, so the court reporter can have that

14

adequately in the record.

15

with our consideration by calling on Art

16

Brenstein.

17

MR. BERNSTEIN:

So, let us begin

Yeah, sorry, this is

18

Arthur Bernstein, and I wanted to share with my

19

colleagues a mistake that I made because I

20

thought it was rather funny, but I made the

21

mistake of looking at the designs before I read

22

anything about the Ghost Army, and I started

23

thinking, gee, those tanks look ridiculous.

24

What could the artist have been thinking?

25

then I read the description and then finally
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understood what was going on.

2

all wonderful.

3

find myself agreeing completely with the

4

liaisons and therefore strongly support obverse

5

three and reverse five with the small

6

modifications that were mentioned in terms of

7

Act of Congress.

I don't have a lot to say.

DR. BROWN:

9

turn to Mary Lannin.

Thank you so much.

MS. LANNIN:

I

Thank you.

8

10

The designs are

Okay.

We now

Good morning,

11

everyone.

12

This must have been a very interesting exercise

13

in sort of transmitting magic to paper, and I

14

think they did a really good job.

15

with the designs the liaisons chose, obverse

16

three and reverse five.

17

reverse five.

18

powerful.

19

think the texture is going to be really

20

interesting, and you're going to want to read

21

every single word that's on that.

22

congratulations to all the artists, and I hope

23

we can get this out for the people who deserve

24

it.

25

Congratulations to all the artists.

I too agree

I especially like

I think that's very, very

And once you have it in hand, I

So

Thank you.
DR. BROWN:

Thank you so much, Mary.

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turn it now to Peter.
DR. VAN ALFEN:

This is Peter van Alfen.

3

I have to say that given my lifelong interest

4

in the Second World War and the history of it,

5

that this is really rather interesting and fun

6

portfolio to be

7

working on.

I'm happy to support the

8

liaisons' preferences of obverse three and

9

reverse five.

I do have to say that I, from an

10

artistic standpoint, I really do quite like

11

obverse two.

12

well within, you know, the circular format and

13

-- and certainly conveys, you know, some

14

aspects about the deception.

15

again, just happy to support the liaisons'

16

selections here with the recommended

17

adjustments.

18
19
20

I think that that works quite

So thank you.

DR. BROWN:
Donald.

But otherwise,

Very good.

Now turn to

Has Donald joined us?

MR. SCARINCI:

I'm here.

Yeah, of course,

21

you know, it looks like there is a consensus

22

among the constituents to the program, and, you

23

know I always support that when it comes to a

24

Congressional gold medal.

25

else to say.

So I don't have much

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DR. BROWN:

Thank you so much Donald.

Now

I'll turn to Dr. Harcourt Fuller.
DR. FULLER:

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and

4

I want to thank all of the liaisons for being

5

here today.

6

experience, I think, for all of us.

7

known about the Ghost Army before, it just

8

shows the dedication of citizens to the cause,

9

and I really appreciate this lesson as an

This is certainly an educational
Not having

10

educator.

11

liaisons with respect to obverse three and

12

reverse five.

13
14
15

I will defer to the members, to the

Thank you.

DR. BROWN:

Thank you so much.

I'll turn

it now to Robin Salmon.
MS. SALMON:

This is Robin Salmon.

Thank

16

you, Dr. Brown.

17

three and reverse five are excellent for this

18

Congressional Gold Medal.

19

very nice composition incorporating all of the

20

aspects of the areas of the Ghost Army, and

21

it's difficult to get that much into one

22

design, but they they've done it very well and

23

it's a nicely balanced.

24

provides, I think, a very interesting design.

25

The insignia for the two companies are

I also agree that obverse

Obverse three has a

Reverse five also

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intriguing, and while I know that's

2

historically accurate, it still gives something

3

special for an artist to work with.

4

recognizing the areas of operation I think is

5

so important in a medal like this.

6

very happy to support obverse three and reverse

7

five.

8
9

And

So I am

Thank you.
DR. BROWN:

Thank you so much.

Turn now

to Dennis Tucker.

10

MR. TUCKER:

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This

11

is Dennis Tucker, and thanks also to Mr. Beyer,

12

Mr.

13

us unique insight into this program, and I

14

appreciate you sharing that.

15

agree with your choices.

16

wonderful.

17

three conditions that you had in your minds as

18

you were looking at designs, and I wanted to

19

mention in particular obverse three.

20

I really like about this design is if you just

21

look at this quickly, it almost appears to be

22

like, quote unquote, any other World War

23

II-related Congressional Gold Medal.

24

soldiers in action doing various soldierly

25

things.

Eichhorn and Ms. Leech.

You have brought

Thank you.

I

I think they're

I see how they have satisfied the

Something

You have

And it's only when you take a closer
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look that you see, wait a minute, they're

2

actually lifting up a tank.

3

sewing a patch, I like the way the thread, of

4

course, from a production standpoint has to be

5

invisible.

6

able to strike up such a fine detail.

7

fact that you cannot see the thread I think is

8

an interesting aspect of this design.

9

think they're both wonderful, and I applaud you

And the man who is

There's no way the Mint would be

10

on your decisions and they have my full

11

agreement.

12

to our liaisons.

13

But the

So I

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you

DR. BROWN:

Thank you.

I must take this

14

opportunity as prerogative of the Chair to in

15

fact share with my members of the committee

16

that I particularly love this program, not only

17

because of the beautiful designs that our

18

artist provided, but it also gave me an

19

opportunity to really think about my brief time

20

in the military.

21

we are hearing among these military persons who

22

served in this Ghost Army, but I can remember

23

the fact that while I was in the Army, I had a

24

number of patches, and actually I have if we

25

were to actually have the meeting in person, I

I didn't have the honor that

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would have brought my jacket with me so you can

2

see the patches that I have from my time in

3

service.

4

me, and quite frankly, it also really touched

5

me to the fact that my training, my MOS, my job

6

in the military was not as a position.

7

in a signal corps.

8

in fact something that we did each and every

9

day.

So that made it even more real for

I was

So MOS and Morse code was

And so to me, it really won my heart to

10

see really design on obverse three to see the

11

guy doing Morse code.

12

the designs, it had me in fact reliving my days

13

when I had to learn what the Morse code meant

14

for every point of the alphabet, and you had to

15

do it at a rather rhythm, cause you can't be

16

doing it slow in communicating it because that

17

would not work.

18

this really warms my heart to have the

19

opportunity to actually speak, not only because

20

I love the designs and I concur with the

21

decisions by the liaisons, but in fact allowed

22

me to remember those days, which quite frankly,

23

unlike World War II and Vietnam, we didn't get

24

the same recognition when we returned back.

25

being able to live it now in this Mint makes

And actually in one of

So I want you to know that

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sense, and reminds me of something that one of

2

my members, one of the members of the CCAC said

3

to me that I will never forget.

4

to thank them for their service as it was as

5

important then as it is now.

6

that's important for us to continue to

7

underscore.

8

leaning in the direction of leaning in

9

direction of the liaisons.

That we want

And I think

So having said that, again, I'm

So are there any

10

other additional comments or motions from

11

members at this time?

12

Costello, do you have anything that you'd like

13

to share with the committee on the designs for

14

this coin?

15

MR. COSTELLO:

Hearing none, Mike

Good morning everyone.

As

16

everyone, I believe the entire portfolio does a

17

great job depicting the importance of the Ghost

18

Army and, you know, the fact that all the

19

designs made it through coinability review.

20

have no further comment.

21

job.

22

DR. BROWN:

Thank you.

I

Great

Are there any additional

23

comments or clarification from April, her team,

24

Robin, or any of the liaisons that they'd like

25

to offer?
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MS. STAFFORD:

None for me.

Megan, do you

have anything?

3

MS. SULLIVAN:

Nothing else here. Thank

5

MS. STAFFORD:

Or our liaisons?

6

MR. EICHHORN:

This is Roy.

4

you.

Just wanted

7

to make a comment on the reverse.

8

emblems were designed by the soldiers

9

themselves during the war.

Those two

They don't exist

10

anywhere else, and we never saw the ghost until

11

1996, when the official history, which is where

12

that appears, was finally declassified.

13

part of why we wanted those two was that,

14

again, as you say, they were designed by the

15

soldiers themselves to represent what they

16

could.

17

they don't -- they don't meet what the Army

18

likes in terms of heraldry.

19

current practitioners in special operations of

20

deception love both of those, and they use them

21

for current operations.

The other thing is Dr.

22

Brown mentioned signal.

Part of what we liked

23

-- I like definitely, you have the telegrapher

24

furthest forward.

25

did was spoof radio and sending false signal.

So

So they're not official, and frankly,

However, the

An awful lot of what they

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So their telegraphers were very busy.

2

again, Dr. Brown, one of the surviving

3

veterans, as an example, had a documented speed

4

of Morse code of 60 words a minute on Morse,

5

which I can't even imagine.

6

there.

7

And

My two comments

Thank you.

Dr. BROWN:

Thank you so much.

I can't

8

remember what the minimum was when I was in the

9

service, but I must confess that I was so

10

pleased that I finally reached that minimum

11

because it was no joke being able to do that

12

quickly.

13

MR. FULLER:

14

DR. BROWN:

15

MR. HARCOURT:

16

Dr. Brown.
Yes, please.
This is Harcourt Fuller.

May I ask a question of the liaisons, please?

17

DR. BROWN:

18

MR. FULLLER:

Please proceed.
Thank you.

As a historian,

19

I'd like to take the opportunity just to ask if

20

any of the liaisons are planning on writing a

21

book about the Ghost Army, or if there are any

22

historians that -- that have expressed an

23

interest in that.

24

that would be a book that would be worthy for

25

every American to read and other people as

I think certainly, you know,

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well.

2

films are in the works.

3

know, I love military history, and certainly

4

there are so many scholars and filmmakers out

5

there that I think would have an interest.

6

Thank you.

7

And also whether or not any, you know,

MR. BEYER:

I'm a -- I'm a, you

This is Rick Beyer.

I'll take

8

that question because I've written that book,

9

coauthored a book called The Ghost Army of

10

World War II with Elizabeth Sayles, whose

11

father was in the unit, and sadly, Liz passed

12

away last year.

13

with a revised edition of that book, which

14

includes the fact that the President in

15

Congress awarded this gold medal, although we

16

will not get the design in because the book's

17

trying to come out about the same time the

18

design is being awarded.

19

documentary that aired in 2013 called The Ghost

20

Army -- called The Ghost Army.

21

unoriginal in titling.

22

titled about the same, and there is interest in

23

making a Hollywood movie, and we kind of went

24

through a whole story arc on that which you can

25

Google and read about.

And we're actually coming out

I also produced a PBS

Yeah, I'm very

All of things are

But Ben Affleck had

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signed on to direct and star in it and the

2

screenplay was written, et cetera, and then as

3

sometimes happens with Hollywood projects, it

4

stopped.

5

it, to quote from the movie The Princess Bride,

6

it's mostly dead.

7

means mostly dead means it's a little bit

8

alive.

9

going on.

It died.

But I always like to say

It's not all dead, which

So there's still some conversations
And since I noted my own book, I

10

want to make sure to mention that there have

11

been other books written about this unit as

12

well.

13

by Phil Gerard, a book by Jack Kneece, and some

14

-- It's also mentioned in some recent books.

15

One of the things that we're very pleased about

16

is that our efforts to -- to have this unit

17

honored, our efforts to get the story out there

18

have resulted in other people starting to pick

19

up the story.

20

there's also the National World War II Museum

21

did an exhibit, which I consulted on, an

22

exhibit about this unit, and that exhibit is

23

now traveling and is currently at the Illinois

24

Holocaust Museum.

25

to the Nevada Museum of Art.

A book by my friend John Donne, a book

And I'll just finish by saying

It will move in the spring
I know later it's

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going to Saint Louis, and I'm not sure after

2

that.

3

of ongoing stuff out there to tell this story

4

and try to keep it remembered.

So the good news here is there's a lot

5

DR. FULLER:

6

DR. BROWN:

7

MR. TUCKER:

Thank you so much.
Dennis?

8

is Dennis Tucker.

9

for Mike Costello.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This

I think this is a question
We had some discussion

10

about including Act of Congress 2022 on the

11

obverse, and as Robin mentioned, obverse three

12

is a very well-balanced design, and that's a

13

lot of text to be introducing into it.

14

we don't need to come up with answers today,

15

but I'm just curious to hear if you have any

16

thoughts on how that redesign might proceed.

17

Thank you.

18

MR. COSTELLO:

Yeah.

I know

Thanks, Dennis.

19

Yeah, I definitely have to review that with

20

Joe.

Maybe we can scale something down --

21

MS. STAFFORD:

Mike --

22

MR. COSTELLO:

I'm not positive -- yes.

23

MS. STAFFORD:

Sorry, this is April.

I

24

should have noted, Dennis, as we were reading

25

through the candidate designs that actually our
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chief engraver has weighed in on this, and he

2

projects parking it underneath the Ghost Army,

3

so they'll have to just like very slightly

4

tighten up the design and his -- he's very

5

confident that it will fit very, very nicely

6

there.

7

MR. TUCKER:

8

MR. COSTELLO:

9

Thank you, April.
Yeah, it shouldn't be an

issue Dennis.

10

MR. TUCKER:

11

MR. COSTELLO:

12

DR. BROWN:

Thank you, Mike.
Definitely.

Are there any additional

13

questions or comments from members of the

14

committee?

15

MS. LANNIN:

Dr. Brown, this is Mary

16

Lannin.

17

accept obverse three and reverse five, which

18

are the choices of our liaisons, with the

19

appropriate verbiage added as only the Mint can

20

do.

I would like to make a motion that we

21

MR. BERNSTEIN:

22

DR. BROWN:

Arthur Bernstein seconds.

Outstanding.

So Mary is the

23

make of the motion., Arthur Bernstein we'll

24

record you as second.

25

discussion?

Is there any further

Hearing none, all those in favor

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aye.

2

(Aye)

3

DR. BROWN:

Are there any oppositions to

4

this motion?

5

motion?

6

stands and it is approved.

7

we want to thank our liaisons for joining us

8

and giving us such a wealth of information, and

9

I must say enjoyment, especially for the chair

Is there any opposition to the

Hearing none, the motion in fact
Outstanding.

And

10

to have an opportunity to discuss a program

11

such as this.

12

stay with us for the rest of the meeting, but

13

if you must attend to other things, we

14

understand that and appreciate that.

15

going to --

16

You are certainly welcome to

DR. VAN ALFEN:

So we're

Dr. Brown, just a quick

17

question before our liaisons departs.

18

going to save this question for the few moments

19

that we were scoring, but the question is, why

20

was this kept under wraps for 50 years?

21

was there so much secrecy about that?

22
23
24
25

MR. BEYER:

I was

Why

I'm going to let Roy answer

that.
MR. EICHHORN:
odd in some ways.

Yeah, it really is quite
What you get into is what's

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called sources and methods.

2

Army was winding up in Europe, they were

3

already bouncing up against the Cold War, if

4

you want to look at it that way.

5

involved in the forced repatriation of

6

concentration camp survivors in the hands of

7

the Soviets.

8

several things that the military was doing that

9

they decided needed to be kept top secret

And as the Ghost

They were

And at that moment, there were

10

because they might need it sooner rather than

11

later.

12

Ghost Army is it was classified top secret.

13

have copies of stuff going from Eisenhower to

14

Marshall, you know, create this unit, et

15

cetera.

16

Again, these folks were involved in

17

intelligence work as part of what they did, and

18

you've got quite a bit going on there.

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sonic equipment was state of the art.

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truck had a 40-pound explosive charge under the

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driver's seat to blow it all up and to keep it

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from being captured, which didn't make the guys

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who drove them happy.

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some of the technique, and then also some of

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the technical work that was done to create the

What is interesting in the case of the
We

Eyes only, limited distribution.

The
Each

And so the -- you'll see

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Ghost Army still in operation today.

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an outtake in his PBS video CD that is one of

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the physicists that worked on this talking

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about the creation of what they had to do for

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instrumentation.

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instrumentation still used in recording studios

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today.

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also mention while I'm at it, we support

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National History Day projects, and we've had

Rick has

And that's the same

So quite a bit in all of that.

I'll

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several History Day winners at, I believe, the

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national level, Rick, so that is another part

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of what we've been doing.

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some amazing young people who have really

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gotten into this and really dug into it and

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have produced some wonderful stuff, and that's

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also part of what we're into is the -- the

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educational end of it.

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DR. VAN ALFEN:

We've found that

Thank you.

Mr. Eichhorn, thank you

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very much, and Mr. Beyer and Ms. Leech as well.

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Thank you.

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DR. BROWN:

I'd also would like to

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recommend for those who have had not had the

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opportunity to actually see the PBS documentary

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because it actually fills in a number of other

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questions that you may have had.
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nothing further on this, I'd like us to suggest

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that we move to the next order of business of

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the committee, and that is to review and the

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approval of the CCAC minutes in a letter to the

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Secretary of Treasury from a public meeting on

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September 27th, 2022. Are there any comments on

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these documents?

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questions, is there a motion to approve the

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minutes and the letters?

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DR. VAN ALFEN:

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MS. LANNIN:

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Peter van Alfen so move.

Mary Lannin -- oh.

This is

Mary Lannin and I will second.

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DR. BROWN:

So Peter has made a motion and

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Mary seconded it.

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this?

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aye.

Is there any discussion of

Hearing none, all those in favor say

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Hearing no comments or

(Aye)
DR. BROWN:

And any oppositions?

Not

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seeing any, that's without opposition, the

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minutes and the letters are approved.

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now move to consideration of the annual report

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for the CCAC.

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Title 31 of the United States Code, the CCAC is

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to submit an annual report to the Secretary of

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Treasury, the House Committee on Financial

We will

Pursuant to Section 5135 of

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Services, and the Senate Committee on Banking,

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Housing and Urban Affairs.

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report is due on September 30th of each year,

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but consistent with the statute and past

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practice, it was communicated to the Secretary

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and to Congress early this year, that

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additional time was needed to include the

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September 27th, 2022 meeting to the annual

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report, and that we expect to deliver our

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report no later than December 19th, 2022.

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there any comments or suggestions with respect

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to the document?

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MS. LANNIN:

By statute, this

Dr. Brown, this is Mary

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Lannin.

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those at the Mint who put together a really

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spectacular document.

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looks very, very professional.

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I would just like to thank all of

DR. VAN ALFEN:

It looks beautiful.

just want to second what Mary said.

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this report looks phenomenal.

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done and really enjoyable to read.

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you everyone who was involved with it.

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DR. BROWN:

I think

It's really well
So thank

And I will take it, Mary, that

you were making a motion to approve.
MS. LANNIN:

It

This is Peter van Alfen. I

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Are

I am making a motion to

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approve the annual report, and I bet you I can

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guess who will second that.

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DR. VAN ALFEN:

MS. LANNIN:

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DR. BROWN:

Okay.
All those in favor by saying

aye.

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Peter

van Alfen, yes.

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I will second that.

(Aye)
DR. BROWN:

Are there any oppositions to

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the position?

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the fiscal year 2022 annual report is thus

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approved, and I agree with the both of you that

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this was a great job by members of the Mint

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staff that they did an outstanding job.

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Objections?

MS. WARREN:

Without objection,

Okay.

Dr. Brown, this is Jennifer

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Warren.

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Lori McKay.

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She's the one that took, you know, a lot of

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your writing and put it into the format.

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the one who worked on it last year, and she

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just did a phenomenal job, and she could work

22

on it again.

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as well in helping me pull that document

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together.

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record.

I just want to give a shout out for
She's one of our graphics people.

She's

And the help of Andrea Sutherlin

So I just wanted to put that on the
Thank you.
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DR. BROWN:

Thank you so much.

And I'd

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also like to thank all the phenomenal staff of

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the U.S.

4

would not be able to do the work that we do,

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the input that we provide on the CCAC.

6

are coming to the last order of business, and

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before we do that, I'd like to, in fact, say to

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all those who are participating at this meeting

9

virtually, particularly committee members, Mint

Mint because clearly without them, we

As we

10

staff, the media, the public, that we wish you

11

a fun and enjoyable holiday weekend, holiday

12

season, I should say, between -- because we

13

will not be before you until 2023, and we want

14

you to have a pleasant, enjoyable, and safe

15

holiday season.

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CCAC members, the Mint staff for their

17

attendance today by video conference.

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CCAC public meeting will be a virtual meeting

19

on January 24th.

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announced in the Federal Register at least

21

several weeks prior to the public meeting.

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will now entertain a motion to adjourn.

I'd like to again to thank the

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MR. BERSTEIN:

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MS. SALMON:

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The next

All upcoming meetings will be

Art Bernstein -So moved. This is Robin

Salmon, so moved.
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DR. BROWN:

So we will have Robin on the

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record as making the motion to adjourn.

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have a second?

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MR. BERNSTEIN:

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DR. BROWN:

Arthur Bernstein second.

I have Arthur Bernstein

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recorded as a second.

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signify by saying aye.

8
9

Can we

All those in favor

(Aye)
DR. BROWN:

It appears that based on the

10

visual and the auditory theory of the chair

11

that the ayes have it.

12

stands adjourned.

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thank you. Take care.

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This meeting then

Again, ladies and gentlemen,

(Thereupon, the proceedings were concluded.)

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CERTIFICATE OF NOTARY PUBLIC

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The foregoing proceedings were taken, do hereby

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certify that any witness(es) in the foregoing

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proceedings, prior to testifying, were duly sworn;

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that the proceedings were recorded by me and

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thereafter reduced to typewriting by a qualified

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transcriptionist; that said digital audio recording

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of said proceedings are a true and accurate record

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to the best of my knowledge, skills, and ability;

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that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor

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employed by any of the parties to the action in

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which this was taken; and, further, that I am not a

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relative or employee of any counsel or attorney

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employed by the parties hereto, nor financially or

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the digital audio recording of the foregoing

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proceeding, that said transcript is a true and

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accurate record of the proceedings to the best

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