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Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 1 1 CITIZENS COINAGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING 2 CCAC Public Meeting 3 4 5 6 Moderated by Dr. Peter van Alfen 7 Monday, May 20, 2024 8 2:01 p.m. 9 10 11 Department of the Treasury 12 United States Mint 13 801 9th Street, Northwest 14 Washington, D.C. 20220 15 16 17 18 19 Reported by: Jahkarah L. Haynes-Young 20 JOB NO.: 6695710 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 List of Attendees: 3 Arthur Bernstein, Representing the General Public 4 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, Recommended by the Speaker of the 5 House 6 Dr. Christopher Capozzola, Specially Qualified in 7 American History 8 John Saunders, Recommended by the House Minority 9 Leader 10 Michael Moran, Recommended by the Senate Majority 11 Leader 12 Sam Gelberd, Specially Qualified in Numismatics 13 Kellen Hoard, Representing the General Public 14 Annelisa Purdie, Representing the General Public 15 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, Specially Qualified in 16 Sculpture or Medallic Arts 17 Peter van Alfen, Specially Qualified as a Numismatic 18 Curator and the Chairperson of CCAC 19 Deputy Director Kristie McNally, U.S. Mint 20 April Stafford, Chief, Office of Design Management 21 Megan Sullivan, Senior Design Specialist 22 Roger Vasquez, Senior Design Manager www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 3 1 A P P E A R A N C E S (Cont'd) 2 List of Attendees (Cont'd): 3 Russell Evans, Design Manager 4 Boneza Hanchock, Design Manager 5 Sukrita Baijal, Design Manager 6 Joseph Menna, Chief Engraver 7 Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and 8 Intergovernmental Affairs and Liaison to the CCAC 9 Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the 10 CCAC 11 Brendan Tate, Senior Governmental Affairs Specialist, 12 Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 13 Maggie Pahl, Numismatic News 14 Mike Unser, CoinNews 15 Larry Jewett, Coin World 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 4 1 C O N T E N T S 2 PAGE 3 Call To Order and Roll Call 4 Review and Approval of Minutes and Letters to 5 the Secretary of the Treasury from the 6 April 16 and 17, 2024 Public Meeting 10 7 Swearing-in of Sam Gelberd 13 8 Swearing-in of Jeanne Stevens-Sollman 18 9 Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for 10 Joseph R. Biden Jr. Presidential Medal 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 5 22 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MS. WARREN: Good afternoon. I'm 3 Jennifer Warren, the CCAC liaison. This is our public 4 meeting. 5 I'm going to hand it over to Peter van Alfen, the 6 Chair of CCAC. Please note, it is recorded. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: And on that, Thank you, Jen. Good 8 afternoon. 9 Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee for Monday, May 10 I call to order this meeting of the 20, 2024; and the time is 2:02 p.m. 11 I would like to remind members to mute 12 their phone or microphone on the Microsoft Teams 13 program when not talking, and to announce your name 14 when you speak for the transcript as well as for the 15 public listening. 16 Before we begin, I want to introduce 17 members of the Committee, so please respond, 18 "present," when I call your name. 19 20 Arthur Bernstein, representing the general public. 21 MR. BERNSTEIN: 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Present. Dr. Harcourt Fuller, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 6 1 2 3 recommended by the Speaker of the House. Dr. Christopher Capozzola, specially qualified in American history. 4 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 5 THE CHAIRMAN: 6 Present. John Saunders, recommended by the House Minority Leader. 7 MR. SAUNDERS: Present. 8 THE CHAIRMAN: Michael Moran, 9 recommended by the Senate Majority Leader. 10 MR. MORAN: 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 Present. qualified in numismatics. 13 MR. GELBERD: 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 Present. MR. HOARD: 17 THE CHAIRMAN: Present. MS. PURDIE: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 Annelisa Purdie, representing the general public. 19 21 Kellen Hoard, representing the general public. 16 18 Sam Gelberd, specially Present. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, specially qualified in sculpture or medallic arts. MS. WARREN: Sir, this is Jennifer www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 7 1 Warren. She should be on shortly. She's having some 2 technical difficulties. 3 have to shift her swearing-in a little bit. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 And I am Peter van Alfen, a member So even if we have to, we may All right. Sounds good. 6 specially qualified as a numismatic curator and the 7 chairperson of the CCAC. 8 So I believe we have a quorum. 9 MR. WEINMAN: 10 THE CHAIRMAN: We do. The agenda for today's 11 public meeting includes the approval of minutes and 12 letters to the Secretary from the April 16 and 17, 13 2024 public meeting; swearing-in our new member of the 14 CCAC, Sam Gelberd, who is specially qualified in 15 numismatics; swearing-in of our new member of the 16 CCAC, Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, who is specially 17 qualified in sculpture or medallic arts; and finally, 18 review and discussion of the candidate designs for the 19 Joseph R. Biden Jr. Presidential Medal. 20 Before we begin our proceedings, I ask 21 the liaison to the CCAC, Ms. Jennifer Warren, if we 22 are aware of any members of the press who are remotely www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 8 1 watching the public meeting? 2 MS. WARREN: Good afternoon. This is 3 Jennifer Warren. 4 News; Mike Unser, CoinNews; and Larry Jewett from Coin 5 World. 6 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you And for the record, I would also like to confirm that the following Mint staff are in 10 attendance today. 11 I've called your name. 12 13 All right. very much. 8 9 We have Maggie Pahl from Numismatic So please indicate "present" after Deputy Director Kristie McNally, U.S. Mint. 14 MS. MCNALLY: 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 Office of Design Management. 17 MS. STAFFORD: Present. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Megan Sullivan, Senior 19 Present. April Stafford, Chief, Design Specialist. 20 MS. SULLIVAN: Present. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: Roger Vasquez, Senior 22 Design Manager. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 9 1 MR. VASQUEZ: 2 THE CHAIRMAN: 3 Present. Russell Evans, Design Manager. 4 MR. EVANS: 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Boneza Hanchock, Design 7 MS. HANCHOCK: Present. 8 THE CHAIRMAN: Sukrita Baijal, Design 6 9 Present. Manager. Manager. 10 MS. BAIJAL: 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 Present. Joseph Menna, Chief Engraver. 13 MR. MENNA: Present. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: Jennifer Warren, 15 Director of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 16 and Liaison to the CCAC. 17 MS. WARREN: 18 THE CHAIRMAN: 19 Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the CCAC. 20 MR. WEINMAN: 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 Present. Present. Thank you. Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, Office of Legislative www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 10 1 and Intergovernmental Affairs. 2 MR. TATE: 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 Present. All right. Thank you very much. 5 I'd like to begin -- 6 MS. WARREN: Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. 7 Sorry. This is Jennifer Warren. 8 for the record, say that Harcourt Fuller has joined 9 us, as well as Jeanne Stevens-Sollman now. 10 11 THE CHAIRMAN: very much. 12 I just wanted to, Fantastic. Thank you All right. I'd like to begin with the Mint. Are 13 there any issues that need to be addressed before we 14 start? 15 All right. Hearing none, then we will 16 move on to our first order of business for the 17 Committee, which is to review and approve of the CCAC 18 minutes and letters to the Secretary of the Treasury 19 from our public meeting on April 16 and 17, 2024. 20 there any comments on the documents? 21 22 MR. BERNSTEIN: Arthur Bernstein. Are Mr. Chairman, this is I so move. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 11 1 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 2 motion to approve the minutes letter. 3 a second? 4 MR. HOARD: 5 THE CHAIRMAN: 6 That's the And do we have I'll second. All right. Kellen, thank you very much. 7 All those in favor, except for 8 Mr. Gelberd and Ms. Stevens-Sollman, who are 9 abstaining from this vote, please signify by saying 10 "aye." 11 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 12 THE CHAIRMAN: 13 Aye. All right. Are there any objections to the motion? 14 All right. Hearing none, without 15 objection, the minutes and letters are approved. 16 Next will be the introduction and 17 swearing-in of Sam Gelberd. 18 Mr. Gelberd was appointed effective 19 April 23, 2024, as the member specially qualified in 20 numismatics. 21 the age of nine and is an independent numismatic 22 educator and content creator. Mr. Gelberd has been a collector since www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 12 1 He has delivered presentations and 2 instructed classes on various numismatic topics to 3 people of all ages. 4 Committee a strong knowledge base and enthusiasm for 5 our nation's coins and medals. Mr. Gelberd brings to the 6 Deputy Director Kristie McNally will 7 administer the Oath of Office to Sam Gelberd, and I 8 now turn it over to Deputy Director McNally. 9 MS. MCNALLY: Good afternoon, everyone. 10 At this time, I would like to welcome Sam Gelberd. As 11 Dr. van Alfen mentioned, Mr. Gelberd has a strong 12 knowledge base, and has shared his enthusiasm for our 13 nation's coins and medals with people of all ages. 14 was a middle school social studies teacher and 15 athletics coach in South Florida for over a decade. 16 In addition, he's presented lectures He 17 and classes to people ages 4 to 94 about topics 18 including hobby basics, coin grading, counterfeit 19 detection, the modern coin minting process, as well as 20 counseling wolf scouts and scouts BSA workshops. 21 22 In 2017, he won Florida United Numismatists Best in Show award for his exhibit "Great www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 13 1 Beards on Coins," and earned the organization's Polly 2 Abbott Service Award in 2021 and was honored as a 3 numismatic ambassador in 2023. 4 Mr. Gelberd, in just a moment, I have 5 the honor of administering the Oath of Office with 6 you. 7 the CCAC as a member specially qualified in 8 numismatics. 9 and prestigious group of individuals invested in U.S. 10 11 12 13 With this oath, you will assume the position on By doing so, you will join a very select coins and medals. Mr. Gelberd, please raise your right hand and repeat after me. I do solemnly swear that I will support 14 and defend the Constitution of the United States 15 against all enemies foreign and domestic -- 16 MR. GELBERD: I, Samuel Gregory 17 Gelberd, do solemnly swear that I will support and 18 defend the Constitution of the United States against 19 all enemies foreign and domestic. 20 21 22 MS. MCNALLY: That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. MR. GELBERD: That I will bear true www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 14 1 faith and allegiance to the same. 2 MS. MCNALLY: That I take this 3 obligation freely without any mental reservation or 4 purpose of evasion. 5 MR. GELBERD: That I take this 6 obligation freely without any mental reservation or 7 purpose of evasion. 8 9 10 MS. MCNALLY: And that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office of which I'm about to enter: So help me God. 11 MR. GELBERD: And that I will well and 12 faithfully discharge the duties of the office of which 13 I'm about to enter: So help me God. 14 MS. MCNALLY: Mr. Gelberd, 15 congratulations and welcome to the Citizens Coinage 16 Advisory Committee. 17 you. 18 like. 19 20 21 22 We look forward to working with And I invite you to say a few words if you'd MR. GELBERD: Thank you very much, Deputy Director McNally. I am extremely grateful and sincerely humbled to be appointed to the Citizens Coinage www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 15 1 Advisory Committee as the member specially qualified 2 in numismatics. 3 I owe a tremendous amount of thanks to 4 my wonderful wife and family, and so many great 5 colleagues and former students in professional 6 education, as well as the coin collecting hobby and 7 industry. 8 9 These connections have provided vital knowledge to help me reach this point, and continually 10 prepare me for new opportunities and experiences. 11 would not be in this position if it were not for them. 12 I It can never be overstated how 13 important a role the CCAC plays in determining the 14 direction of our nation's coinage and medallic 15 designs. 16 every available piece of information in order to 17 recommend the best compositions that will represent 18 our country. It is essential for this committee to review 19 Money is truly history in our hands, 20 and the designs on which we provide advisement must 21 reflect our culture in the most excellent and 22 equitable manner possible. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 16 1 This is an incredible honor, and again, 2 I am deeply humbled to serve in this capacity. 3 eagerly anticipate working with the other amazing 4 Americans on this committee, as well as the team at 5 the United States Mint and Treasury Department. 6 Thanks again so much to all of you. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Fantastic. I Thank you 8 again, Mr. Gelberd, and please allow me to add my 9 congratulations and welcome to you on behalf of the 10 Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee. 11 12 MR. GELBERD: Thank you, Dr. van Alfen. I greatly appreciate it. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: And next, we will have 14 another swearing-in and re-introduction of Jeanne 15 Stevens-Sollman. 16 effective May 14, 2024, as a member specially 17 qualified in sculpture or medallic arts. 18 Ms. Stevens-Sollman was appointed Ms. Stevens-Sollman had previously 19 served on the CCAC from 2012 to 2020 as a member 20 appointed to represent the interests of the general 21 public and as a leader in the field of medallic 22 sculpture. Her work is exhibited in museums www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 17 1 throughout the United States and Europe, as well as 2 numerous private collections, including mine, frankly. 3 Ms. Stevens-Sollman brings to the 4 committee a wealth of knowledge as well as a unique 5 understanding of the CCAC and its mission. 6 Director McNally will administer the Oath of Office to 7 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. 8 back to Deputy Director McNally. 9 Deputy And now, again, I turn it MS. MCNALLY: Hello again. As Dr. van 10 Alfen mentioned, we welcome back Ms. Stevens-Sollman, 11 and are excited to have her serving on the CCAC again. 12 Jeanne is internationally recognized 13 for her bronze medallions and relief work, as well as 14 her long time series of rabbits. 15 Her work is found in many private 16 collections, in addition to the permanent collections 17 of the State Museum in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; the 18 Southern Alleghenies Museum of Art in Loretto, 19 Pennsylvania; the British Museum in London, England; 20 the Smithsonian of Washington, D.C.; and the National 21 Museum of Medallic Art in Wroclaw, Poland. 22 Before embarking on her medallic www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 18 1 career, Jeanne taught at Penn State University, 2 Juniata College, and Haystack Mountain School of 3 Crafts. 4 Ms. Stevens-Sollman, in just a moment I 5 have the honor of administering the Oath of Office to 6 you. 7 the CCAC as the member specially qualified in 8 sculpture or medallic arts. 9 join a very select and prestigious group of 10 11 12 13 With this oath, you will assume the position of By doing so, you will individuals invested in U.S. coins and medals. Ms. Stevens-Sollman, please raise your right hand and repeat after me. I do solemnly swear that I will support 14 and defend the Constitution of the United States 15 against all enemies foreign and domestic -- 16 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: I, Jeanne 17 Stevens-Sollman, do solemnly swear I will support and 18 defend the Constitution of the United States against 19 all enemies foreign and domestic. 20 21 22 MS. MCNALLY: That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: That I will bear www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 19 1 true faith and allegiance to the same. 2 MS. MCNALLY: That I take this 3 obligation freely, without any mental reservation or 4 purpose of evasion. 5 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: That I take this 6 obligation freely, without any mental reservation of 7 purpose or evasion. 8 9 10 MS. MCNALLY: And that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I'm about to enter: 11 So help me God. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: And that I will 12 well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office 13 on which I'm about to enter: 14 MS. MCNALLY: So help me God. Ms. Stevens-Sollman, 15 congratulations and welcome to the Citizens Coinage 16 Advisory Committee. 17 you again. 18 you'd like also. 19 20 21 22 We look forward to working with And I invite you to say a few words if MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Thank you so much, Deputy McNally. And I'm honored to be back on the CCAC. During my past two terms, it was a very responsible www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 20 1 time to choose designs and make them go forward 2 through the Mint process. 3 fact -- I agree with Sam, who previously spoke -- 4 that our coins represent our nation and its history. 5 I take this seriously. 6 establish our history through our formal designs. 7 I believe strongly in the I hope that I can help One thing I need to explain, because 8 I'm sure no one understands the rabbit business that 9 has been talked about. As an independent artist for 10 40 years, the rabbits have been my production line. 11 And we have established a studio built on being able 12 to reach out into the public and present them on a 13 commercial basis. 14 So what I'd like to bring to the 15 Committee is my ability to market; to understand what 16 the public wants and needs and how they perceive our 17 coins. 18 retired from making hundreds of millions of rabbits -- 19 I was inspired by Richard Adams, who wrote Watership 20 Down, and humanized rabbits. 21 22 So I think my previous business -- I'm now And so in my sculpture, my humanized rabbits actually both supported my husband and I for www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 21 1 all those years. And then I just started -- I started 2 doing medallic art, which is smaller and very much 3 fun. 4 you. I think that this background hopefully will help 5 And I also want you to know that 6 background because when somebody says my rabbits, I'm 7 sure you all thought, do we eat them or play with them 8 or what. 9 country. So no. 10 They were sculpture all across the And I'm honored, again, to be here with 11 you. 12 committee. 13 past that are still there. 14 Thank you very much, Dr. van Alfen, for this 15 introduction. 16 I look forward to working with this new I think there's only two members from my So thank you very much. THE CHAIRMAN: 17 the CCAC, and congratulations. 18 back on the committee. 19 20 21 22 Jeanne, welcome again to It's great to have you And, Sam, wonderful to have you on the Committee as well. And I'm very happy that we now have a full, complete roster of CCAC members. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So on to the Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 22 1 work that we do. 2 So moving onto the only portfolio to be 3 reviewed today. 4 obverse and reverse candidate designs of the Joseph R. 5 Biden Jr. Presidential Medal. 6 This portfolio consists of the April Stafford, Chief of the Office of 7 Design Management and Megan Sullivan, Design Manager 8 for the program, will present the candidate designs 9 for the Joseph R. Biden Jr. Presidential Medal. 10 April, if you would please. 11 MS. STAFFORD: 12 So a little bit of background, every Sure. Thank you. 13 United States president has been honored with a 14 presidential medal. 15 originally began as the Peace Medal Series. 16 Presidential medals, in fact, But beginning with the Rutherford B. 17 Hayes medal, the Mint took over medal production, and 18 the series shifted to the Presidential Medal Series. 19 Modern presidential medals traditionally feature a 20 portrait of a president on the obverse with elements 21 such as inaugural dates, terms of office, presidential 22 symbols and seals, and excerpts from speeches on the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 23 1 reverse. 2 The Mint worked with a liaison at the 3 White House in the development of these designs. 4 the preferred designs are depicted here for you to 5 deliberate upon. 6 We start with obverse one. And This design 7 features a portrait of President Biden alongside his 8 signature. 9 Jr." And the inscription is, "Joseph R. Biden The reverse, reverse 14, depicts an image of the 10 White House with the U.S. Capitol in the background, 11 representing President Biden's journey from the Senate 12 to the White House. 13 The inscription is, "Nothing has been 14 guaranteed about Democracy in America. 15 generation has had to defend it, protect it, choose 16 it." 17 this inscription. 18 19 20 21 22 Every The inscription 46 is used as a delimiter in And that concludes the candidate designs, Chairman. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you very much, April. Are there any technical or legal www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 24 1 questions from the Committee about this program or the 2 designs for the Joseph R. Biden Jr. Presidential Medal 3 before we begin a general discussion? 4 5 MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Art Bernstein with a technical question. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 MR. BERNSTEIN: Sure. Go ahead. I'm a little confused 8 in what seems to be an inconsistent use of periods. 9 noticed there's a period following each phrase -- I'm 10 talking about the reverse -- on the lower-half 11 phrases, but there's no period at the end of the 12 phrase on the upper half. 13 there are some periods and not other periods. 14 15 16 And I just wondered why MS. STAFFORD: I think we can go to Joe Menna, our chief engraver, for that. MR. MENNA: I Yes. Joe? This is Joseph Menna. 17 The periods are acting as delimiters for the phrases. 18 The artist chose to place them as periods instead of 19 as often as directly in between the phrases. 20 So they're really delimiters. But the 21 phrase up top is bound by 45 on each side. And that 22 acts as the delimiter for that top phrase. I hope www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 25 1 that answers your question, sir. 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Joe? 4 5 MR. MENNA: wrong glasses. 6 7 I can't -- I'm wearing the Yes. THE CHAIRMAN: sure. Just wanted to make Great. 8 9 You meant 46; correct, MR. WEINMAN: Yeah. Obviously, this is -- it sounds like this is an artistic use of the 10 delimiter. 11 can make recommendations if the Committee as a whole 12 feels strongly one way or the other. 13 14 Obviously, the Committee can advise and THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you very much. 15 Chris, I believe your hand is raised? 16 MR. CAPOZZOLA: Sure. And this -- 17 again, this may be a technical question or it may be, 18 really, for discussion later, which has to do with the 19 angle from which we are looking at both the White 20 House and the Capitol. 21 22 And I wonder -- this may be a question about the artist's intention to generically depict www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 26 1 Washington rather than geographically any particular 2 specific place. 3 MS. STAFFORD: Actually -- so I'm going 4 to ask Megan Sullivan, who is the design manager for 5 this work, to comment on that. 6 was a lot of revisions that were requested 7 specifically. I do know that there 8 Megan, would you like to share? 9 MS. SULLIVAN: Absolutely. This is Megan Sullivan. Thank you, 10 April. 11 correct that this is, kind of, a very, sort of, you 12 know, imagined view of Washington, D.C. 13 was to depict the two locations. 14 You are absolutely The real goal They obviously don't really work at 15 this angle. This wouldn't be a view you could ever 16 see. 17 worked with at the White House, that the design, you 18 know, represent the capital and the White House 19 showing that journey from one to the other. But it was really important to the team that we 20 MR. CAPOZZOLA: 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 Thank you. Thank you. any other questions or comments? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Are there Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 27 1 All right. Well, hearing none, rather 2 than have our usual five minutes per member of the 3 CCAC to comment on the designs, since we have only a 4 single obverse and reverse design, what I would do at 5 this point is just ask if there are any suggestions or 6 comments from Committee members to improve upon the 7 design if they have any suggestions along those lines. 8 9 10 Jeanne, I believe you're raising your hand? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes, I am. And 11 I'm not sure if I'm able to speak to this issue, but I 12 was wondering if perhaps instead of a period, we could 13 just put a bullet between the lower phrases? 14 read a little better. 15 16 17 It might That's just a thought. THE CHAIRMAN: Is that a motion that you would like to make, or would you like to -MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Oh, if I can. 18 don't know if -- can I -- am I on the Committee now 19 and I can do this? 20 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: I You are now officially on the Committee. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Okay. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Yeah. I Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 28 1 would like to make a motion that we could -- I think 2 it's important to have something there, but I believe 3 maybe a bullet would be better than a period. 4 that would be my motion. 5 6 MR. BERNSTEIN: THE CHAIRMAN: DR. FULLER: 10 Sure, Harcourt. Go ahead. DR. FULLER: What is the difference between a bullet and a period? 14 15 Is there any Peter, if I may? THE CHAIRMAN: 12 13 Okay. further discussion on that motion? 9 11 Second that. 7 8 Art Bernstein. Please, THE CHAIRMAN: Jeanne, if you'd like to answer that question? 16 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes. It's just a 17 position. 18 would be in the middle, so between the I and that P. 19 It would just be in the middle. 20 So instead of having it at the bottom, it And if we did that, because it would no 21 longer be a period, then I don't think we would need 22 the period at the end of "choose it." www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Because 45 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 29 1 would then be our delimiter. 2 3 DR. FULLER: sense. Okay. Yeah. That makes Yeah. 4 MR. BERNSTEIN: 5 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: I'm sorry. THE CHAIRMAN: So the motion 6 Forty-six. Forty-six. 7 Okay. 8 then would be to have a bullet after "defend it, 9 protect it," but not after "choose it"; is that 10 correct? 11 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 13 Chris, I believe your hand is raised? 14 MR. CAPOZZOLA: Okay. Yes. I'm going to 15 support the motion, but I just want to make sure that 16 everyone here has the context that this reference 17 comes from remarks by President Biden on November 2, 18 2022. 19 And in the official, sort of, record of 20 that, this is done with commas; and, comma, protect 21 it, comma, choose it. 22 for reasons of this medal, that Jeanne's motion makes You know, I do think, you know, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 30 1 much more sense. 2 people had that information. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 But I just want to make sure that Thank you very much. That's -- that's good information on that. 5 Are there any other comments on the 6 motion? All right. 7 vote on that motion? 8 please signify by saying "aye." 9 Well, hearing none, why don't we All in favor of the motion, MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: Aye. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: 11 All right. 12 Are there any other further motions or 13 Are there any opposed? The motion carries. discussion? 14 DR. FULLER: I think it's a beautiful 15 looking coin. If I may say so, I think the portrait 16 of the President looks very pleasant, and it's a 17 beautiful coin -- or medal. 18 beautiful medal. I'm sorry. It's a Yes. 19 MR. VAN ALFEN: 20 Any other further comments or questions 21 22 about this presidential medal? All right. Very good. All right. I would suggest then if there are none, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 31 1 that we might have a motion then to recommend this 2 medal. 3 propose that motion? Would there be somebody who would like to 4 MR. BERNSTEIN: 5 Art Bernstein. 6 motion. 7 8 very much. Thank you I'll second. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you, Sam. 12 14 All right. Is there a second? MR. GELBERD: 10 13 I would be pleased to make that THE CHAIRMAN: 9 11 Mr. Chairman, this is All right. Any further discussion then? Well, hearing none, why don't we vote 15 on that motion then. All those in favor of 16 recommending this obverse and reverse design as the 17 Joseph R. Biden Jr. Presidential Medal, please signify 18 by saying "Aye." 19 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 All right. 22 Aye. Are there any opposed? Well, the motion carries. Thank you very much. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 32 1 MR. BERNSTEIN: 2 THE CHAIRMAN: 3 MR. BERNSTEIN: Mr. Chairman? Yeah? I just want it to be 4 clear that my motion took into account the suggested 5 modification that we just voted on previously. 6 7 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Exactly. Thank you very much. 8 9 Right, right. MR. WEINMAN: The record will reflect that. 10 All right. Well, if all discussion has 11 concluded, I would then like to have a motion to 12 adjourn this meeting since we have no further 13 business. 14 Would someone like to make that motion? 15 MR. CAPOZZOLA: 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 I will make the motion. All right. you very much. 18 Is there a second? 19 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 22 Chris, thank I'll second. All right. Jeanne, thank you very much. All those in favor of adjourning the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 33 1 meeting, please reply by saying "aye." 2 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 All right. Aye. All right. Any opposed? Well, hearing none, this 5 meeting is adjourned at 12:31 p.m. 6 the Mint staff and the members of the CCAC, especially 7 our two newest members, Jeanne Stevens-Sollman and Sam 8 Gelberd, for your attendance today. 9 to our next meeting, which will be announced in the 10 federal register, and that will take place in June. 11 DR. FULLER: 12 THE CHAIRMAN: 13 MR. FULLER: 14 I'd like to thank And look forward Peter? Yes? Harcourt. Did you mean 2:31 and not 12:31? 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 one. 17 one p.m. 18 seems. 19 Sorry. Oh, yes. Two thirty- Two thirty-one p.m., not twelve thirty- We're having trouble with numbers today it All right. So thank you all and look forward to 20 seeing you again this next month. 21 well. 22 // So take care and be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 34 1 (Whereupon, the meeting concluded at 2 2:31 p.m.) 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 35 1 CERTIFICATE 2 I, JAHKARAH L. HAYNES-YOUNG, the officer 3 before whom the foregoing proceedings were taken, do 4 hereby certify that any witness(es) in the foregoing 5 proceedings, prior to testifying, were duly sworn; 6 that the proceedings were recorded by me and 7 thereafter reduced to typewriting by a qualified 8 transcriptionist; that said digital audio recording of 9 said proceedings are a true and accurate record to the 10 best of my knowledge, skills, and ability; that I am 11 neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any 12 of the parties to the action in which this was taken; 13 and, further, that I am not a relative or employee of 14 any counsel or attorney employed by the parties 15 hereto, nor financially or otherwise interested in the 16 outcome of this action. 17 Dated: 18 June 5, 2024 19 <%30234,Signature%> 20 JAHKARAH L. HAYNES-YOUNG 21 Notary Public in and for the 22 State of Michigan www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting May 20, 2024 Page 36 1 CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER 2 I, BAYILANI VIDAL, do hereby certify that 3 this transcript was prepared from the digital audio 4 recording of the foregoing proceeding, that said 5 transcript is a true and accurate record of the 6 proceedings to the best of my knowledge, skills, and 7 ability; that I am neither counsel for, related to, 8 nor employed by any of the parties to the action in 9 which this was taken; and, further, that I am not a 10 relative or employee of any counsel or attorney 11 employed by the parties hereto, nor financially or 12 otherwise interested in the outcome of this action. 13 Dated: 14 June 5, 2024 15 16 17 <%32819,Signature%> 18 BAYILANI VIDAL 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting [10 - april] 1 10 4:6 12:31 33:5,14 13 4:7 14 16:16 23:9 16 4:6 7:12 10:19 17 4:6 7:12 10:19 18 4:8 2 2 29:17 20 1:7 5:10 2012 16:19 2017 12:21 2020 16:19 2021 13:2 2022 29:18 20220 1:14 2023 13:3 2024 1:7 4:6 5:10 7:13 10:19 11:19 16:16 35:18 36:14 22 4:10 23 11:19 2:01 1:8 2:02 5:10 2:31 33:14 34:2 3 30234 35:19 32819 36:17 May 20, 2024 Page 1 4 4 12:17 40 20:10 45 24:21 28:22 46 23:16 25:2 5 5 4:3 35:18 36:14 6 6695710 1:20 8 801 1:13 9 94 12:17 9th 1:13 a abbott 13:2 ability 20:15 35:10 36:7 able 20:11 27:11 absolutely 26:9 26:10 abstaining 11:9 account 32:4 accurate 35:9 36:5 acting 24:17 action 35:12,16 36:8,12 acts 24:22 actually 20:22 26:3 adams 20:19 add 16:8 addition 12:16 17:16 addressed 10:13 adjourn 32:12 adjourned 33:5 adjourning 32:22 administer 12:7 17:6 administering 13:5 18:5 advise 25:10 advisement 15:20 advisory 1:1 5:9 14:16 15:1 16:10 19:16 affairs 3:8,11 3:12 9:15,22 10:1 afternoon 5:2,8 8:2 12:9 age 11:21 agenda 7:10 ages 12:3,13,17 agree 20:3 ahead 24:6 28:11 alfen 1:6 2:17 5:5 7:5 12:11 16:11 17:10 21:14 30:19 alleghenies 17:18 allegiance 13:21 14:1 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 18:21 19:1 allow 16:8 alongside 23:7 amazing 16:3 ambassador 13:3 america 23:14 american 2:7 6:3 americans 16:4 amount 15:3 angle 25:19 26:15 annelisa 2:14 6:17 announce 5:13 announced 33:9 answer 28:15 answers 25:1 anticipate 16:3 appointed 11:18 14:22 16:15,20 appreciate 16:12 approval 4:4 7:11 approve 10:17 11:2 approved 11:15 april 2:20 4:6 7:12 8:15 10:19 11:19 22:6,10 23:21 26:10 Meeting [art - 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