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United States Mint
801 9th Street NW
Washington, DC 20220
Minutes of CCAC Telephonic Meeting
March 10, 2020 (DAY 1)
(1:02 pm–2:48 pm)

I.

Attendance
a. CCAC Members in Attendance (Telephonic)
 Thomas Uram (Chairman)
 Lawrence Brown
 Sam Gill
 Robert Hoge
 Dean Kotlowski
 Mary Lannin
 Michael Moran
 Robin Salmon
 Donald Scarinci
 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman
 Dennis Tucker
b. Mint Staff in Attendance:
 Jennifer Warren
 April Stafford
 Greg Weinman
 Betty Birdsong
 Megan Sullivan (telephonic)
 Roger Vasquez
 Boneza Hanchock
 Ron Harrigal (telephonic)
 Joe Menna (telephonic)
c. Members of the Media in Attendance (by phone)
 Brandon Hall, Coin Update and Mint News Blog
 Maggie Judkins, Numismatic News

II.

Minutes
1. The public meeting was called to order by Chairman Thomas Uram at 1:02 pm.
Roll was called; Mint staff in attendance (in person and telephonic) were
recognized; and media attendance (telephonic) was recognized.
2. Chairman Uram invited a motion to approve the minutes and letters from the
Committee’s January 21, 2020, meeting. The motion, made by Mary Lannin and
seconded by Michael Moran, was carried unanimously.
3. April Stafford, Chief of the Mint’s Office of Design Management, presented the
candidate designs for the Barbara Bush First Spouse gold coin and bronze medal.
The portfolio consists of 11 obverse and 12 reverse designs.
4. April Stafford explained that Public Law 116-112 authorizes the Secretary of the
Treasury to mint and issue gold coins honoring First Spouse Barbara Bush. These
coins are to be designed in the same manner as the previously issued First Spouse
Coin Program that ended in 2016 and thus will be designed with the name and
likeness of a person who is a spouse of a President during this service, an
inscription of the years of the spouse’s period of service, a number indicating
order of the presidency, and additional obverse inscriptions to include
“LIBERTY,” “IN GOD WE TRUST,” and the year of minting. The reverse of
each coin must bear images emblematic of the life and work of the First Spouse
with inscriptions of “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,” “E PLURIBUS
UNUM,” “TEN DOLLARS,” “1/2 OZ.,” and “.9999 FINE GOLD.” The same
obverse will be used for both the gold coins and the bronze medals, but without
coinage inscriptions (which would be inappropriate for non–legal-tender medals).
5. The Mint worked with the George and Barbara Bush Foundation and the Barbara
Bush Foundation for Family Literacy in the development and review of the design
portfolios. The CFA had previously reviewed the portfolio at its February 20,
2020, meeting. The Bush family provided their design preferences. Preferences
were designated as following:
a. Obverse preference of the family and CFA was BB-O-01.
b. Reverse preference of the CFA was BB-R-03 and reverse preference of
the family was BB-R-06.
c. Among the CCAC, there was a robust discussion of selecting the family’s
preferences rather than debating the total design portfolio.
i. Mike Moran made the motion to select the designs preferred by the
family and Sam Gill seconded. There was some conversation on
the reverse designs and therefore the motion was broken up to
consider reverse and obverse designs separately.

ii. The obverse unanimously passed by a recorded voice vote for BBO-01.
iii. The motion to select BB-R-06 failed by 6 “no” votes and 5 “yes”
votes, and was followed by members discussing their thoughts of
the designs.
1. Specific focus was placed on design BB-R-07, with the use
of the family hands moving pages of a book; and BB-R-5,
of a child reading while ascending stairs.
2. There was discussion of the designs over whether they truly
depict family-based literacy, as opposed to general reading
and literacy.
3. There was a question of BB-R-06 and whether the art,
specifically the small lettering on the books, could be
sculpted. Joe Menna, the Mint’s Chief Engraver, pointed
out that the art in the design was fine and that the Mint had
done similar works before.
4. BB-R-06 passed with 16 votes. Additional designs with
high votes included BB-R-01 and BB-R-07 with 11 votes.
BB-R-06 depicts an open road and a limitless vista with the
sun in the distance. BB-R-01 presents books in staircase
formation, representing the steps to learning, freedom, and
independence. BB-R-07 depicts the moment a child is
introduced to the world of books by an adult, and family
members are moving the pages together.
6. The CCAC then had an open discussion on the nation’s ongoing commemorative
coin program. Jennifer Warren, CCAC liaison and the Mint’s Director of
Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs, provided an update on upcoming
commemorative coin programs and the pending bills in Congress being
considered for 2022. Members brought up points and thoughts on these and other
possible coin themes for 2022.
a. Mike Moran expressed a concern that many of the programs are written to
have a common obverse across the three-coin sets, which limits the ability
to tell a full story.
b. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman discussed that animal themes are popular, as well
as Charles Schulz, whose centennial birthday is in 2022.
c. Dennis Tucker raised issues with some of the language in pending
commemorative coin legislation. He specifically discussed the language
in the Harriet Tubman Commemorative Coin Act as one that limits the
design to only her role as abolitionist.
d. Mary Lannin made a motion to suggest to Congress a Charles Schulz
commemorative coin series (gold, silver, and clad) in celebration of all the
love and worth he has brought to America with Snoopy and his pals. Tom

Uram seconded the motion. The Committee agreed to this suggestion, and
passed the motion by a voice vote of 10 to 1.
e. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman made a motion to express support for the Conan
Commemorative Coin Act. The motion was seconded by Sam Gill. The
Committee agreed by voice vote to support the legislation.
f. Lawrence Brown suggested that the two baseball commemorative bills
should be combined and bills like Harriet Tubman and Negro Leagues
Centennial baseball coins should be released around Black History Month.
7. At 2:48 pm, the Chairman recessed the meeting until 9 am, March 11, 2020.
8. The following attachment is the result of the Committee vote for the reverse
Barbara Bush.

Attachment
CCAC Vote on Reverse Designs for First Spouse Barbara Bush
Design #1: 11
Design #2: 0
Design #3: 2
Design #4: 0
Design #5: 3
Design #6: 16
Design #7: 11
Design #8: 1
Design #9: 1
Design #10: 8
Design #11: 1
Design #12: 1