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Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 1 1 CCAC Meeting 2 3 4 Moderated by Peter van Alfen 5 Monday, July 15, 2024 6 10:00 a.m. 7 8 9 Department of Treasury 10 801 9th Street NW 11 Washington, DC 20220 12 (800) 872-6468 13 14 15 16 17 Reported by: Matthew K Livingston 18 19 20 21 22 Job No. CS6719393 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 List of Attendees: 3 Dr. Peter van Alfen, CCAC Chair and Specifically 4 Qualified in Numismatic Curator 5 Arthur Bernstein, Representing the General Public 6 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, Recommended by the Speaker of the 7 House 8 Dr. Christopher Capozzola, Member Specially Qualified 9 in American History 10 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, Member Specially Qualified in 11 Sculpture or Medallic Arts 12 John Saunders, Recommended by the House Minority 13 Leader 14 Michael Moran, Recommended by the Senate Majority 15 Leader 16 Donald Scarinci, Recommended by the Senate Minority 17 Leader 18 Sam Gelberd, Member Specially Qualified in Numismatics 19 Kellen Hoard, Representing the General Public 20 Annelisa Purdie, Representing the General Public 21 Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and 22 Intergovernmental Affairs, Mint Liaison to the CCAC www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 3 1 A P P E A R A N C E S (Cont'd) 2 Mike Unser, Founder and Editor of CoinNews Media 3 Louis Golino, Senior Editor, Coin World 4 Paul Gilkes, Senior Editor, Coin World 5 April Stafford, Mint Staff, Chief, Officer of Design 6 Management 7 Megan Sullivan, Mint Staff, Senior Design Specialist 8 Roger Vasquez, Mint Staff, Senior Design Manager 9 Boneza Hanchock, Mint Staff, Design Manager 10 Sukrita Baijal, Mint Staff, Design Manager 11 Joseph Menna, Mint Staff, Chief Engraver 12 Michael Costello, Mint Staff, Manager of Design and 13 Engraving 14 Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel, Counsel to the 15 CCAC 16 Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, 17 Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 4 1 C O N T E N T S 2 3 PAGE Ms. April Stafford 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 13, 80, 157 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Good Morning. I call to 3 order this meeting of the Citizens Coinage Advisory 4 Committee for Monday, July 15, 2024. 5 10:00 a.m. 6 public meeting. The time is This is the first day of a two-day CCAC 7 I would like to remind members that as 8 we are all participating via videoconference to please 9 mute your phone or microphone on your Microsoft Teams 10 program when not talking and to announce your name 11 when you speak. 12 well as the listening public. 13 This aids both the transcriber as Before we begin, I want to introduce 14 the members of the Committee, so please respond 15 .present. when I call your name. 16 17 Arthur Bernstein, representing the General Public. 18 MR. BERNSTEIN: 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 Present. Dr. Harcourt Fuller, recommended by the speaker of the house. 21 DR. FULLER: 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Present. Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 6 1 2 Dr. Christopher Capozzola, the member specially qualified in American history. 3 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, specially 6 Present. Thank you. qualified in sculpture or medallic arts. 7 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 8 THE CHAIRMAN: 9 John Saunders, recommended by the House 10 Present. Thank you. Minority Leader. 11 MR. SAUNDERS: Present. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 13 Michael Moran, recommended by the 14 Senate Majority Leader. 15 MR. MORAN: 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 Present. Donald Scarinci, recommended by the Senate Minority Leader. 18 MR. SCARINCI: Present. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 20 Sam Gelberd, the member specially 21 22 qualified in numismatics. MR. GELBERD: Present. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 7 1 THE CHAIRMAN: 2 Kellen Hoard, representing the general 3 public. Mr. Hoard is not yet with us. 4 5 Thank you. Annelisa Purdie, representing the general public. 6 MS. PURDIE: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 And I am Peter van Alfen, the member 9 specially qualified as a numismatic curator and the 10 chairperson of the CCAC. 11 Present. Thank you. I believe we have a quorum. The agenda for today's public meeting 12 includes approval of the minutes and letters to the 13 Secretary from the June 18, 2024, public meeting; 14 review and discussion of the candidate designs for the 15 2026 Semiquincentennial dime; review and discussion of 16 the candidate designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial 17 Quarter commemorating the Declaration of Independence; 18 review and discussion of the candidate designs for the 19 2026 American Eagle proof platinum coin; and review 20 and discussion of the candidate designs for the 2026 21 Semiquincentennial Quarter commemorating the 22 Constitution. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 8 1 Before we begin our proceedings, I ask 2 Mint liaison to the CCAC, Ms. Jennifer Warren, if we 3 are aware of any members of the press who are remotely 4 watching this public meeting. 5 MS. WARREN: Good morning. This is 6 Jennifer Warren. 7 CoinNews Media, Louis Golino, American Numismatic 8 Association, and Paul Gilkes, Coin World senior 9 editor. 10 Mike Unser, founder and editor of And also, Chairman, Kellen should be on 11 shortly. He's just having some technical 12 difficulties, so when he's on, we'll let you know. 13 And I think he just got on. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 I believe Mr. Hoard, now, has joined us 16 as well, and I welcome the members of the press to the 17 meeting. 18 All right. Wonderful. And for the record, I would also like 19 to confirm that the following Mint staff are in 20 attendance today, so please indicate "present" after 21 I've called your name. 22 April Stafford, Chief, Office of Design www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 9 1 Management. 2 MS. STAFFORD: Present. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 4 Megan Sullivan, senior design 5 specialist. 6 MS. SULLIVAN: Present. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 8 Roger Vasquez, senior design manager. 9 MR. VASQUEZ: 10 11 Present. THE CHAIRMAN: Russell Evans, design manager. 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Boneza Hanchock, design 15 MS. HANCHOCK: Present. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Sukrita Baijal, design 14 17 manager. manager. 18 MS. BAIJAL: 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 Not present. Present. Joseph Menna, Chief Engraver. 21 MR. MENNA: Present. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Michael Costello, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 10 1 manager of design and engraving. 2 MR. COSTELLO: Present. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Jennifer Warren, 4 Director of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 5 and liaison to the CCAC. 6 MS. WARREN: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 Greg Weinman, senior legal counsel and counsel to the CCAC. 9 10 Present. MR. WEINMAN: Good morning, Peter. Present. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Greg. 12 Brendan Tate, senior government affairs 13 specialist, Office of Legislative and 14 Intergovernmental Affairs. 15 MR. TATE: 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 All right. 18 the Mint. 19 addressed before we start? 20 Present. Thank you. And I.d like to begin with Are there any issues that need to be All right. Hearing none, the first 21 order of business for this committee is the review and 22 approval of the CCAC minutes and letters to the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 11 1 Secretary of the Treasury from our public meeting on 2 June 18, 2024. 3 documents? 4 motion to approve the minutes and letters? All right. 5 6 Are there any comments on the Hearing none, is there a MR. BERNSTEIN: Bernstein. This is Arthur I move approval of the minutes. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 Is there a second? 9 MR. HOARD: 10 I can second that, Peter. This is Kellen Hoard. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 Very good. 13 Thank you, Art. Thank you, Kellen. All those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying .aye.. 14 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 15 THE CHAIRMAN: Aye. All right. 16 any objections to the motion? 17 none, without objection, the minutes and the letters 18 are approved. 19 All right. Are there So hearing Before we begin and move on to our 20 first portfolio of the day, I would like to make a few 21 comments. 22 for all of us attending this meeting for CCAC members Today is an important and long-awaited day www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 12 1 and Mint staff alike. 2 first portfolios for the circulating dime and quarters 3 for the Semiquincentennial celebration in 2026. 4 celebration provides, thanks to the United States 5 Semiquincentennial Commission Act of 2016 and the 6 Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act of 2020, the 7 first time in generations that we are allowed to 8 completely redesign the circulating coinage for 2026, 9 something I know that all of us are really very 10 11 Today, we began to review the The excited about. Portfolios that we will be reviewing 12 today and tomorrow reflect years of diligent work 13 seeking input from the public, from specialists, and 14 from a CCAC working group, and it is important to note 15 that this meeting is yet another step in the process. 16 We are providing today feedback on designs of the 17 circulating coinage to further hone and perfect those 18 that we will ultimately recommend to the Secretary of 19 the Treasury later this year. 20 And I'm sure it is the hope of all of 21 us involved that the designs we do ultimately 22 recommend will not just be artistically spectacular www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 13 1 but will fully represent our exceptional nation, its 2 centuries of democratic initiative, and the 3 wonderfully diverse citizen body that makes this 4 country so great. 5 So let's get at it. The first portfolio for us to consider 6 is the obverse and reverse design candidate designs 7 for the 2026 Semiquincentennial dime. 8 Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act, which is 9 Public Law 116-330, authorizes the redesign of both As I noted, the 10 the obverse and reverse of all authorized coinage in 11 2026 to celebrate the nation's 250th birthday. 12 CCAC has already reviewed the proposed penny and 13 nickel privy mark or date range for 2026, as the 14 designs on those coins will not otherwise be changed. The 15 Today, we will start to review the 16 dime, the first two quarter designs, and the half 17 dollar tomorrow. 18 Hanchock will now present the candidate obverse and 19 reverse designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial dime. And April Stafford and Boneza 20 So April, all yours. 21 MS. STAFFORD: 22 And before we start moving through the Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 14 1 dime portfolios, just a little more background on the 2 Semiquincentennial coin program. 3 material and information is provided to you to aid in 4 your review today of candidate designs for the dime, 5 the quarters, the half dollar, and the American Eagle 6 Platinum Proof. 7 on these works in progress, as we're terming them, 8 will inform how the candidate designs for the 9 Semiquincentennial coins are further refined, revised, 10 The following As you noted, the feedback we receive and developed. 11 Again, background on how we arrived at 12 this moment: 13 2022 by consulting with the U.S. Semiquincentennial 14 Commission, as required by the authorizing act. 15 on consultation with the commission and its 16 operational arm, the America250 Foundation, the Mint 17 developed the Semiquincentennial coin design selection 18 process approved by, as again required by the act, 19 Secretary Yellen, in October of 2022. 20 The United States Mint began its work in Based As we move through executing this 21 design selection process, the Mint identified subject 22 matter experts with whom to work, and they included www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 15 1 representatives from the Smithsonian Institution, the 2 Library of Congress, the National Archives and Records 3 Administration, and the National Parks Service. 4 addition, the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee also 5 formed a working group to provide input to the 6 Semiquincentennial design development. In 7 So after considerable collaboration 8 with our subject matter experts and through public 9 feedback required by the act, the Mint identified 10 themes for the 2026 circulating coins that celebrate 11 America's defining ideals, reflect our shared 12 histories, and inspire civic engagement in the 13 democratic process. 14 So those themes include the following: 15 The dime is emblematic of the spark that ignited the 16 founding of our nation. 17 depiction of Liberty, and the reverse will explore the 18 theme Liberty Over Tyranny. 19 The obverse will feature a The five quarters explore historic 20 inflection points across our 250 years, at which our 21 founding principles were espoused and then revisited 22 and reasserted in a way that collectively moved our www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 16 1 nation forward. 2 explore the themes of the Declaration of Independence 3 and the U.S. Constitution, those are two that you'll 4 be reviewing today, as well as Abolitionism, Suffrage, 5 and Civil Rights. 6 will feature depictions of Liberty and/or historic 7 Americans to support those individual themes. 8 9 The reverses for these quarters will And the obverses of those quarters And then finally looking to the future, the half dollar, we'll consider the civic action 10 that's necessary to maintain our republic for another 11 250 years, where an obverse will depict Liberty and a 12 reverse will explore a James Madison quote that calls 13 for a participatory and knowledge-based democracy. 14 In addition, the coins will be 15 connected by several design elements. 16 coin in the program will feature a double date, so 17 they will bear 1776 through 2026, akin to the 18 Bicentennial circulating coins, and also the obverses 19 of the circulating coins will amplify one of the 20 required inscriptions to reinforce that coin's themes 21 and to challenge us as Americans to reexamine the 22 meaning behind those required inscriptions. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 First, each As such, Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 17 1 the dime on its obverse will prominently feature 2 "Liberty"; the quarters, "E Pluribus Unum"; and the 3 half dollar, "United States of America." 4 Lastly, a new three-year theme for The 5 American Eagle Platinum Proof Coin Program will begin 6 in 2026 to coincide with the Semiquincentennial, and 7 this new series called "Charters of Freedom" will 8 explore our nation's founding documents, specifically 9 the Declaration of Independence in 2026, the U.S. 10 Constitution for 2027, and the Bill of Rights for 11 2028. 12 Again, we present these portfolios to 13 you today as a first look and request your feedback on 14 the quality of the designs and the extent to which the 15 various designs explore the themes and concepts for 16 each coin. 17 to rework the portfolios for presentation to you again 18 this fall. 19 Using feedback from these designs, we plan All right. Moving on to the dime. 20 Again, the dime's theme is Liberty Over Tyranny, and 21 it will explore the period leading up to and including 22 the American Revolution, as I said before, the spark, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 18 1 if you will, that ignited the pursuit of a burgeoning 2 nation's aspirations and ideals, setting the stage for 3 the next 250 years of American history. 4 The obverse designs that you see here 5 will show an image of Liberty, and again, the reverse, 6 the theme Liberty Over Tyranny. 7 inscriptions are "Liberty" -- again, as indicated, 8 artists were asked to make Liberty prominent, a 9 prominent feature of their obverses -- as well as "In Required obverse 10 God We Trust," and 1776 to 2026. 11 inscriptions that are required are "United States of 12 America, "E Pluribus Unum," and "one dime." 13 The reverse And as we decided earlier, 14 Mr. Chairman, I will not be reading any design 15 descriptions or anything like that, just moving 16 through the portfolio so we can get right to 17 discussion. 18 So for obverses, we share with you 19 obverse 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. 20 share with you today are reverse 1, 2, 3, 3A, 4, and 21 5. 22 The reverses that we'll Back to you, Mr. Chairman. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 19 1 THE CHAIRMAN: April, thank you very 2 much, and thank you, too, for the other important 3 background to the Semiquincentennial coinage program. 4 All right, are there any technical or 5 legal questions from the committee about this program 6 or these designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial dime 7 before we begin our general discussion? 8 don't hear or see any, so let's begin our 9 consideration. 10 All right. I'd like to remind members to please 11 try to keep your comments to five minutes or less and 12 to identify yourselves for the record prior to 13 speaking. 14 15 So let me begin with Dr. Christopher Capozzola. 16 If you would, please, Chris. 17 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 18 morning. 19 off this conversation, and -- Good So, I have -- I have the honor of kicking 20 MR. CHAIRMAN: 21 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 22 All right. You do, indeed. I appreciate that. Maybe I'll take advantage of that, Mr. Chairman, by www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 20 1 just saying a couple things about -- about 2 independence and about liberty before we get into the 3 specifics of dimes. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Please do. And that I think this 6 is a great opportunity for us to -- you know, to mark 7 the moment of the 250th anniversary of independence, 8 which, as I'm sort of thinking about this, is a moment 9 not at which liberty is born, but -- but liberty as a 10 kind of human condition that has been, you know, 11 around from the very beginning, is protected by 12 democratic institutions. 13 And so for me, you know, although the 14 tyranny of -- of the British monarchy was something 15 that the colonists sought to overthrow, and they 16 overthrew it with a liberty that already inhered in 17 them as -- as humans, rather than one -- a liberty 18 that they achieved through the violent overthrow of 19 the monarchy. 20 framing my response to some of the designs that 21 -- that come forward. 22 And I say this as a way of kind of Also, broadly speaking, I approached www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 21 1 the -- this -- this portfolio and all the -- the 2 Semiquincentennial portfolios with the sense that 3 these are designs that have to work on circulating 4 coins in the pockets of more than 300 million American 5 people who will bring -- and foreign visitors to our 6 country, and who will bring very varied understandings 7 of American traditions and very different levels of 8 understanding of specific facts in the American past. 9 So symbols that may be very familiar to 10 coin collectors that might work well on -- on other 11 coins or medals, I think, you know, simpler is better 12 is -- was sort of my -- my approach in this, not just 13 aesthetically but -- but in terms of the content. 14 So to that end, on the obverse side, I 15 particularly liked obverse 1 and obverse 2. Obverse, 16 it's very straightforward, it's very simple. 17 actually feel -- this is -- this may sound 18 oversimplified, but I actually think having the number 19 "250" somewhere on -- on all of the Semiquincentennial 20 coins is important, even if we do have the double 21 date. 22 both the "250" and the double date on the same I It doesn't have to be -- in this case, we have www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 22 1 obverse. 2 I liked 250s when I saw them. 3 That may be too much. But I -- in general, And I think number -- obverse 2, 4 aesthetically, I think is really fantastic. 5 artistic merit here is really great and shows to me 6 Liberty as an already existing precious possession to 7 be protected from the incursions of -- of the British 8 monarchy. 9 think, my -- my overall preference. 10 You know, And so in some ways, obverse 2 may be, I I thought 3 and 4, which are meant 11 -- which are designed to convey intensity of purpose 12 and determination, might not read that way to -- to 13 people without more information and might just seem 14 sort of unhappy or negative, and so I was less 15 persuaded by those. 16 love Phrygian caps, but again, I don't know how 17 legible those will be to most Americans. 18 know, it's -- the Semiquincentennial dime is a great 19 teachable moment, but of all the things to teach, you 20 know, "What is a Phrygian cap?" might not be the 21 lesson I would -- I would pick. 22 And -- and just briefly on 5, I And so, you Moving quickly to the reverse designs, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 23 1 again, and I thought sort of, again, simpler is 2 better. 3 you know, reminds people of dimes they've seen before, 4 but it's different, it updates it, feels like 2026, 5 and as long as they -- as long as it's paired with an 6 obverse that conveys the 250th very clearly, I think 7 it could work quite successfully. 8 9 I thought reverse 1 is fantastic. It both, I thought, you know, many others are -- are good and have artistic merit that I'll explain, 10 I -- I did have concerns about 3A and 4, and I will 11 say, it is not easy to evaluate some of these, you 12 know, given what's happened in the country over the 13 weekend and the political violence that we confront 14 today, which is distinct, I think, from the collective 15 sort of political violence that realized our nation in 16 1776. 17 But you know, so I realize I may be 18 biased in looking at 4 this morning in ways that I 19 wouldn't have been even just a couple of days ago. 20 But I would argue against visions -- and -- and I see 21 it in 3A in the crushing of the teapot as well 22 -- visions that -- that highlight violence as the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 24 1 source of our -- of our independence. 2 just very last thing, I like, but I -- I would love to 3 hear other people's thoughts on how that would read on 4 -- on a dime in a pocket. 5 And I'll stop there. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: And -- and 5, Thank you. Chris, thank you very 7 much for those comments, and I do appreciate as our 8 resident historian, the introduction that you provided 9 as well. So thank you again. 10 Arthur Bernstein, if you would, please. 11 MR. BERNSTEIN: Good morning from 12 Cleveland, Ohio. 13 happy to share my thoughts about these preliminary 14 designs. 15 This is Arthur Bernstein, and I'm I -- as Chris said, I -- I -- design 2, 16 obverse 2, I thought was very expressive. I -- I felt 17 there was a feeling of -- there was a feeling of 18 steadfastness in the look of Lady Liberty, and I found 19 that to be my favorite design. 20 thought had an intensity of purpose, her -- Lady 21 Liberty staring forward, and I found this to be a very 22 compelling option as well. Obverse 3, also, I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 25 1 Obverse 6, which may have been 2 overlooked by some because it was not in the original 3 document we received, obverse 6, I thought, had a nice 4 balance, and I appreciated the -- the torch, which I 5 think is a call back to the previous design of our 6 dime. 7 On the reverses, again, reverse 1 has a 8 torch, which -- which I find compelling. Obverses 9 -- excuse me, reverses 3 and 3A I found to be just too 10 busy. And with regard to 3A and reverse 4, I echo 11 Chris's comments with regard to sensitivity towards a 12 display of political violence. 13 Thank you. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 very much for your comments. All right. Thank you 16 Annelisa Purdie, if you would, please. 17 MS. PURDIE: 18 Good morning, everyone. 19 Annelisa Purdie. 20 as brief as possible. 21 22 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is I will also try and keep my response One of the main considerations that I had when looking through this portfolio is the fact www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 26 1 that these are circulating coins versus commemorative 2 medals and the impressions of those who will have them 3 in their pockets or will collect them on their own and 4 how they would approach these designs. 5 For the obverse, I am also leaning 6 toward design 6 in the fact that it's very engaging 7 with the viewer. 8 concept of Lady Liberty engaging with the person who 9 is holding the dime, and the fact that it embodies the I like the perspective, I like the 10 sense of Liberty calling back to previous designs 11 while also updating it for something that someone 12 would also find appealing. 13 on Lady Liberty's face. 14 between serious but also engaging and affecting. 15 I also like the expression It seems to strike a balance I also was fond of design number 2, as 16 has been previously stated, in the sense that this 17 spark can easily be -- have different perceptions of 18 Liberty depending on how people think about it, but 19 her expression, too, is very introspective, and it's a 20 reminder of something that we should all -- even as we 21 look at these dimes. 22 For the reverse designs, I am drawn to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 27 1 design number 3, was my preference with the eagle. 2 do have some concerns about the activities with the 3 stars surrounding the eagle in terms of busyness, but 4 I do like the concept. 5 emphasizing the 250 years and the fact that the eagle 6 is still holding these arrows with his talons, again 7 harkening back to previous designs. 8 9 I I like the banner, again, And for design number 6 on the reverse, I do like the concept. I think that possibly because 10 of the way that the torch is constructed, that could 11 be tweaked a little bit. 12 the design and the way that everything is positioned 13 well with the "E pluribus unum." 14 how also that could fit, because the dime is very 15 small, about visibility and whether that would be 16 something that's easy to see on first glance, but I do 17 think that it's very impressive. 18 I also like the flames breaking the yoke of tyranny, 19 and I think it works very well. 20 21 22 I think it's very clever, I'm just wondering I like the border. And that's it for me. Thank you very much. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 28 1 Annelisa. 2 Kellen Hoard, if you would, please. 3 MR. HOARD: 4 As I looked through the dime portfolio Yeah. Thank you. 5 and specifically all of the portfolios, I was really 6 looking for kind of three metrics here. 7 because these are circulating coins, I was looking for 8 some level of visual continuity. 9 the exact same aesthetic. 10 One was It didn't have to be In fact, I think that's part of what we're doing here is moving beyond that. 11 But for the public to be able to 12 recognize easily "This is a United States coin" in 13 line with what they understand as money, because that 14 really is a common language that -- that they're used 15 to, and so I think we're in that transition phase. 16 There's some level of visual continuity. 17 I was also looking for thematic 18 clarity. You know, we see with each of these that 19 there's kind of a very specific intentional approach 20 of what a coin's actually supposed to be saying, and 21 some designs in this portfolio and other portfolios 22 are better expressed, I think, the -- the theme that www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 29 1 we're going for, than others. 2 lens I was looking through. 3 So that's the other And finally, artist fit, actually 4 understanding not only that this is art on a coin, 5 which is a specific kind of art, but also what coin 6 it's on. 7 going to be a different thing to me. A dime or a quarter or a half dollar is 8 9 So when I look at the dime, for the obverses, my standout favorite is design 1, far and 10 away. The clear -- there's a clear visual continuity 11 with the Roosevelt dime, which is a modern coin the 12 public understands. 13 we see some of these historic, like, Coronet Head 14 types, which I think would be popular with collectors. 15 This is a familiar language to them as well. 16 has, to me, thematic clarity. 17 cohesive expression of this anniversary. 18 But at the same time, you know, It also It's an explicit but Like Chris, I like "250 years," whose 19 depiction of Liberty is -- is graceful, it's 20 confident, it's capable. 21 exactly what we're going for here. 22 artistic fit. It is thematically, I think, And it also has The dime is, like, just under 18 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 30 1 millimeters with -- you know, we need kind of clear, 2 undemanding design elements, and this is what we have 3 here, but it still evokes this aesthetic pleasure, so 4 I think it kind of combines all three. 5 To me, design 2 lacks that clarity or 6 continuity or fit, and I was also with Chris that 7 design 3 and 4 -- I think, rather than reading resolve 8 or intensity, I found anger and contempt in the faces, 9 and I think the public would, too. 10 I lost thematic clarity there on both 3 and 4. 11 Design 5 certainly has, I think, 12 artistic merit. 13 young people might not resonate, again, with the cap 14 or just the very hyper-classical design, and I'm 15 -- but I'm most hesitant about its artistic fit with a 16 dime. 17 not read well on a coin that small, and also, we just 18 have such a great choice in obverse 1. 19 I'm a little hesitant that maybe I think it's a -- it's a -- a piece which might I would be more inclined, if anything, 20 to place it on the obverse of the Declaration of 21 Independence quarter. 22 out really well there. I think that this would turn Its classical designs align, I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 31 1 think, with the Founding Fathers' admirations 2 themselves of the classics and how Liberty kind of 3 manifested from those ideas on a -- on a value level. 4 So I would appreciate later this year seeing this 5 design in that portfolio for our consideration of the 6 Declaration of Independence quarter just for our 7 future conversation. 8 9 Design 6 I like if the sun behind her is removed to increase the negative space. I think 10 the sun's unnecessary there. 11 this is -- has too many complex and tiny design 12 elements for that 18 millimeter dime. 13 design, I really like it, but I think it would not 14 turn out well on the dime itself. 15 would be, again stunning as a quarter, and so I'd love 16 to see this one on the Constitution quarter in that 17 portfolio later this year if possible. 18 But again, I think that It's a cool And I think it Liberty, to me, is, you know, clearly 19 here carrying on that torch from our founding document 20 in the 1780s until today. 21 there. 22 quarters have had so many innovative quarter reverses, There's thematic clarity And I think in the last several years, because www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 32 1 we -- Americans are familiar enough with dynamic 2 quarter designs. 3 continuous for them on a both artistic and design 4 level. 5 Constitution quarter obverses later this year for our 6 consideration, but not quite yet on the dime. This one might be visually So I'd love to see this one in the U.S. 7 For the reverse, I believe, really, a 8 lot of them don't quite artistically fit with the dime 9 denomination. Some of them just have really complex 10 design elements that I think, again, turned up kind of 11 poorly on that really small piece, and some are a 12 little aesthetically over the top in ways that I think 13 might be misinterpreted by the public. 14 To me, the design closest to our aim is 15 reverse 1. Like Chris, I really like the pairing of 16 obverse 1 and reverse 1. 17 really symbolizes kind of this durable, steady 18 persistence of Liberty Over Tyranny. 19 visual continuity with the torch on the reverse of the 20 Roosevelt dime but revitalizes kind of that old, tired 21 design by bringing the torch literally closer to the 22 viewer, shining the light, basically, in their face I think it's a design which www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It has this Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 33 1 and asking them, you know, "What's your role in 2 preserving liberty at this point?" 3 cleans things up. 4 artistically with both the simplicity and size of the 5 design and with the obverse 1. 6 And it -- and it It has thematic clarity, it fits If I was to give a little bit of 7 feedback, I might even encourage them to go simpler, 8 to go for impact, to have confidence in the quiet, 9 persistent strength of this design, and I'd appreciate 10 seeing an option later this year, like, an additional 11 one, which excludes either the chains or the stars or 12 both, maybe, I think, especially the chains. 13 it would not only create a negative space, which would 14 be nice and would remove crowding in there, but even 15 removing both I think would just be an impact 16 statement. 17 I think I actually -- I went into Microsoft 18 Paint and I erased the stars and the chains just to 19 see what that would look like, and it looks 20 phenomenal. 21 later this year without that option just for, again, 22 consideration, because I think, you know, with a And so I'd appreciate seeing one formally www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 34 1 -- with a statement as bold as this one or as -- as 2 clear and concise as this one, that would really be 3 quite powerful. 4 5 And that's all I have to say. Thank you. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. 7 Sam Gelberd, if you would, please. 8 MR. GELBERD: 9 This is Sam Gelberd. Thank you, Peter. I do echo a lot 10 of the similar sentiments of members who've already 11 shared their thoughts today. 12 obverse 2 is my definite favorite with obverse 1 being 13 a very close second, again, primarily because of the 14 simplicity of obverse 1 and its similarity to the 15 current Roosevelt dime. 16 of people would be able to latch onto. 17 The obverse, I think I think it's a design a lot Sometimes we're -- when we see change 18 with our change. I think it would still resonate very 19 well with the public as well as if it were coupled 20 with reverse 1. 21 need to consider here with as we're considering the 22 obverse, we cannot separate which reverse it would go I think that's something we really www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 35 1 with. 2 With that being said, obverse 2, I 3 think it really does kind of tie in well with reverse 4 4. 5 revolution and showing the minuteman, albeit a bit 6 violent as a theme, I can understand that, but it also 7 shows the urgency, you know, a lot of farmers that 8 were, you know, thrust into revolution and standing up 9 for the ideals of the early colonists. 10 If we're talking about a spark that ignited the I just think it would really resonate well. 11 Some of the designs we've had on our 12 dimes over the years have been a little bit busy with 13 the reverse. 14 several elements on there. 15 dime reverse, even though there's a torch, you still 16 have some other elements, but they do still translate 17 somewhat well to circulating coinage, so I think that 18 would be all right. 19 The Mercury dime reverse, there's Even with the Roosevelt Obverse -- obverses 3 and 4, I do 20 understand, yes, the intensity, but yeah, I don't 21 think they'll read as well. 22 somewhat mean, not necessarily the purposeful that I They do come off as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 36 1 think that we were really going for. 2 Obverse 5, yes, Phrygian caps are 3 great. I -- I don't think it would read as well, a 4 little bit busy, but I do love the -- the hair, the 5 -- hair as well as the sunburst design. 6 think it could work as well. 7 of that on a dime. 8 design. Obverse 6, I I do like the direction That would be a pretty decent I would be okay with it. 9 With some of the other reverses, the 10 -- the eagles, I am a fan of eagles on coins, of 11 course. 12 number 3 as well as "one dime" on -- on 3A. 13 5, interesting, maybe with some changes, but yeah, 14 that would be an interesting one to see as well. 15 again, I'd have to go with obverses 1 and 2 as the 16 directions I really want to see us head in, and for 17 the reverse, obverse 1, very, very clean, as well as 18 obverse 4. I like the font of "one dime" on reverse 19 20 THE CHAIRMAN: Wonderful. Reverse Sam, thank you very much. 21 Mike Moran, if you would, please. 22 MR. MORAN: Thank you, Peter. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 But Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 37 1 This is Mike Moran. First of all, I 2 want to compliment April, her staff, and the Mint for 3 what I think is a really strong portfolio across the 4 -- the dimes, the two quarters, and the half dollar. 5 They're excellent. 6 general comment here before I launch into my review on 7 the dime. But then I also want to make a 8 Some of the designs in the portfolio 9 are overtly in a style best described as comic book 10 art. 11 design portfolio. 12 inappropriate for our circulating coin celebrating our 13 250th anniversary. 14 artistic concept that is experimental and has yet to 15 prove that its style will stand the test of time. 16 Furthermore, they will shock the large majority of the 17 American public. 18 I'm opposed to their inclusion in the final In my opinion, they're This is the wrong place to push an Some ten years ago, a subcommittee that 19 I chaired included Donald and Jeanne as members, 20 recommended an art medal program. 21 reason, the Mint shelved this proposal. 22 would be ideally suited to explore the concept of this For whatever www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 This program Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 38 1 new style before rolling it out on a permanent basis 2 in our circulating and commemorative coinage. 3 support a reconsideration of the art medal program for 4 this specific purpose. 5 I Now, as for the dime, I really 6 approached this from things that I saw that were 7 problems with these designs as opposed to selling on 8 one in particular, feeling like I'd like to have one 9 more bite at that apple after we got the designs 10 refined. The outburst designs, I think, are all good, 11 worthy of inclusion in the final package. 12 that the design obverse 6 would be better on a 13 quarter. 14 pushing it. I do agree It might work on a dime, but it's -- it's It'd be much better on a quarter. 15 I find the phrase "250 Years" is a 16 redundant inscription given the dual date and the 17 -- and particularly troublesome to include on the 18 dime. 19 have -- are cluttered, particularly given the coin 20 size. 21 with the symbolism. 22 It should not be there. Reverses 3, 3A, and 4 Also, I think reverse 4 tries to do too much I dislike the use of "tyranny" on www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 39 1 reverse 5. To me, it's a needless inscription and 2 better to use such a device as a broken chain in its 3 place. 4 torch is constructed is really brilliant. 5 that. However, I also do think that the model as the I like 6 Those are my comments, Peter. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 much for that. 9 10 11 12 13 14 Michael, thank you very Much appreciated. Dr. Harcourt Fuller, if you would, please. DR. FULLER: Thank you. This is Dr. Harcourt Fuller. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Greetings from Atlanta, Georgia. 15 Let me just first say that it -- it was 16 and it is an honor to -- to be a part of the team that 17 is reviewing these designs that speak to the past, 18 present, and future of our great country, and I always 19 enjoy our discussions about these designs because I 20 think we all have different ideas, different 21 expertise, different opinions about designs, and these 22 discussions, I think, lead to a -- a better outcome, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 40 1 so it's just an honor for me to serve on this 2 committee. 3 I think that as far as the -- the 4 obverse designs are concerned, I really like 1, and I 5 must say, I'm glad that Chris went first because I 6 think he really laid it out quite well in terms of the 7 symbolism, the history, and the significance of these 8 designs. 9 colleagues that number 1 is a great design. So I definitely agree with most of my I think 10 that it's very -- it's very direct, it -- it pops, and 11 I think that a lot of people will -- will like this 12 design. 13 I also want to give some credit to 14 obverse 6. I -- you know, I think that it's -- it's 15 just -- if -- if you're looking at the -- at the coin, 16 as one of my colleagues said, you know, Lady Liberty 17 is staring back at you. 18 strong design, and -- and so I'll -- I'll give it, you 19 know, due consideration. I just think that it's a very 20 Moving on to the reverses, I really 21 like reverse 2, and I also like reverse 5 as well. 22 And those are my comments. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you. Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 41 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: very much. 3 4 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, if you would, please. 5 6 Dr. Fuller, thank you MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Mr. Thank you, Chairman. 7 This is, indeed, a very interesting 8 portfolio, and I agree with my colleagues in most 9 things, and I'm -- I'm very happy that Christopher 10 went first. 11 If I can speak to obverse 1 -- yes. I 12 -- I liked his comment about the 250 years on -- on 13 her headpiece. I also think it's interesting to note 14 her hairstyle. It's very contemporary, this design is 15 very simple, and I think it would work well. 16 However, my favorite is design number 2 17 because -- the spark was what intrigued me. 18 that this is -- says something about the creativity of 19 the artists who, you know, incorporate this concept, 20 so I -- I love this one very much. 21 22 I think And the -- number 3, where she -- Liberty is so determined, I -- I kind of -- she's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 42 1 determined but almost angry, and maybe -- maybe in 2 1776, she needed to be angry, so I do give some points 3 to her. 4 translate correctly in a benign Liberty. 5 -- what number am I at? 6 number 4? 7 -- little bit too determined and angry. Number 4 I just don't think is going to Yeah. 8 9 This is 3. I mean Can we get to Yeah, I think she's just a little And when we go down to number -- where are we, 6? Can I go to 6? I like this very much. 10 However, I think the design is a little too 11 complicated, and I do agree with Annelisa where she 12 says that the starburst could maybe be eliminated, and 13 I think that Liberty could actually be -- this design 14 could be on the obverse of a quarter. 15 a good design. 16 number -- number 2 is my favorite. 17 I mean, this is So my total preference is, you know, Going on to the reverse, I like reverse 18 number 1 because it is very simple. I would like to 19 see the elimination of the stars. 20 complicated. 21 the chain and the fact that it is a breakaway from 22 tyranny, and maybe that would be a good design It makes it too I don't think we need it. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 We do like Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 43 1 element. As far as number 5, we could go down to 2 number 5 where I don't know if "tyranny" is going to 3 read correctly. 4 about that. 5 good for this particular size of coin. 6 I think we have to sort of think It's a good idea, but I don't think it's And number -- number 4 is just too 7 busy. 8 great on a medal, and I do agree with Michael Moran we 9 should, you know, begin to think about medallic art. 10 I think the concept is great. So some of these designs could be used for that. 11 12 I'm sorry about my dog in the background. 13 14 15 16 It would be She hates the phone, by the way. Those are my comments. Thank you very much. THE CHAIRMAN: All right, Jeanne. Thank you very much. 17 Donald Scarinci, if you would, please. 18 MR. SCARINCI: 19 And thank you, Chris, for really Thank you, Peter. 20 setting the -- setting the stage for what we're going 21 to be doing today and tomorrow and what we're going to 22 be talking about, you know, for the -- for the next www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 44 1 several meetings, which is the foundation of America. 2 And you know, in America, nobody took hostages, nobody 3 raped women and played catch with their severed 4 breasts. 5 population as human shields. 6 things. 7 Nobody built tunnels and used the civilian Nobody did any of those In America, we dump tea into the water. 8 We refuse to pay our taxes. And only after the 9 British refused to talk and the talking stopped and 10 they sent troops instead did people bear arms, and 11 -- and even then, it was soldier-to-soldier fighting. 12 And so it was a fierce war, but it was 13 soldier-to-soldier. 14 in this country. 15 And I think that's our tradition I think that, you know, with respect 16 to, you know, the specific designs, and I think -- you 17 know, that tradition is something that I think this 18 whole program and the coins -- the coin designs 19 represented demonstrates, by the way. 20 removing the dead presidents from our coins is long 21 overdue. 22 and you know, trying to put some -- you know, create a I think that It's been over 100 years of dead presidents, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 45 1 new American renaissance with new versions of Liberty. 2 Liberty characterized in new and 21st century ways 3 that school kids can identify and relate to is -- is 4 really the most important thing, you know, that this 5 portfolio does. 6 And I, you know, I -- I think that, you 7 know, the Phrygian cap, I -- I mean, let's just pull, 8 you know, any -- any -- let's pull anyone and see if 9 they even know -- other than -- other than the people 10 in this -- you know, real collectors know what -- know 11 what the origins of a Phrygian cap were and why -- you 12 know, why it existed in our first coins and why they 13 existed in the French Revolution coins of the same 14 period. 15 You know, I think we need to get rid of 16 the -- you know, I -- you know, I -- I don't mind the 17 -- the new style. 18 the new, but you know, I -- I would kill the -- you 19 know, on all the -- on all the images of women, I 20 think we're in the right church but the wrong pew; 21 right? 22 don't know what we're doing with the hair pieces, but I mean, I think we need to embrace I think the hair -- the hair pieces, I -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 46 1 I think they all have to go. 2 I think if -- I think I'd love to see a 3 portfolio that, you know, didn't have these crazy hair 4 things on -- on all the -- on all the women and, 5 instead, you know, focused on women not dressed in 6 what looks like armor or, you know, something from 7 Wonder Woman in O2, you know, but -- you know, just in 8 a -- in a regular way. 9 flowers in O2. 10 I mean, we don't need the I happen to like O1, you know, but 11 again, you know, the -- the headdress looks like 12 something you would see in Savannah, Georgia for some 13 Bachelorette party, or you would see it in New 14 Orleans. 15 just -- I think you've got to just kill this headwear 16 on -- on -- you know, on these depictions of Liberty. 17 I mean, you know, you know, it just -- it Number 6, I -- number 6 just reminds me 18 of the next generation coins, and the public spoke 19 about the -- what they think about our next generation 20 of commemoratives; right? 21 didn't buy them. 22 you know, this is just way too small for the reverse They didn't like it. They So I -- I think -- and for a dime, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 47 1 of a dime, anyway, so we don't really even have to 2 talk about it. 3 So I -- you know, I think -- I think 4 that -- you know, that what we're -- what we're doing 5 today, right, and correct me if I'm wrong, when we 6 score, Peter, I think we're just going to score not 7 for design selections, but to tell you our 8 preferences, you know, or are we just merit scoring 9 today and you're going to come back with new design 10 -- a new design portfolio in the future? 11 So maybe I -- I need a clarification on 12 that a little bit, you know, because I'm a little 13 confused, and the agenda for today, you know, didn't 14 -- didn't have the dime on it. 15 old agenda or that agenda was replaced with some new 16 agenda because we're talking about the dime. 17 -- I could use some guidance on that, Peter. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: So I guess I have an All right. So I Thank you, 19 Donald. Yes, so we will be scoring the portfolios 20 today, but these scores will be used, essentially, to 21 indicate which of the designs we, as the committee, 22 feel essentially make the grade and those that should www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 48 1 essentially go forward to a portfolio in the fall. 2 And those that do not do particularly well with the 3 scoring then will essentially be dropped potentially 4 from those future portfolios. 5 MR. SCARINCI: Thank you. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: So you know, again, 7 those designs that you feel should go forwards, you 8 know, score high, and those that you feel should not, 9 then give them low scores. 10 MR. SCARINCI: Thank you. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 12 John Saunders, if you would, please. 13 MR. SAUNDERS: 14 This is John Saunders. Very good. Thank you, Peter. I wanted to 15 make a couple of comments about Liberty too, that 16 -- since we started out with that and also Liberty 17 being the super theme or the -- the emphasis of the 18 dime. 19 If you remember, in 1776, America was a 20 nation primarily of farmers, very independent, many of 21 them going out and homesteading, creating their own 22 farms. They were looking for freedom not just from www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 49 1 the British Government, but freedom from people 2 telling them what to do and freedom to live their 3 lives as they chose, so I -- I think freedom has a 4 broader concept than just the fight against England, 5 but of course, that being very important. 6 Getting into the design features, I 7 like the good things about -- that's been said about 8 obverse 1. 9 dime looks like today. It, you know, kind of looks like what a It -- it's got a lot on it, 10 but it doesn't seem too busy. 11 expression of Lady Liberty I don't particularly like. 12 I'm not quite sure what it is, but it just -- it 13 doesn't totally appeal to me. 14 Something about the Design 2 I think is an attractive 15 design. It's got a lot on it for a dime, though, a 16 lot of detail in the hair, a lot of detail in the 17 dress, but I -- I still like it. 18 little bit less. 19 -- determination's one thing, but it looks -- it 20 really looks angered. 21 appropriate for the coin. 22 awfully wide truncation of the bust between the front Two things: Design 3 I liked a I think it's I see that. I'm not sure it's And it seems like an www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 50 1 and the back, the truncation, I mean, almost like it 2 would have to be a huge person to have truncation like 3 that, so I -- I didn't favor one. 4 Design 4 I find very interesting, the 5 design. What I don't like is the expression on Lady 6 Liberty's face. 7 I was in real trouble. 8 get it now, kid," so -- but I do like the way it -- it 9 sets up with the -- the legends and Liberty. It kind of looks like my mother when She was like, "You're going to 10 hairstyle's fine. 11 and the fancy hairstyle, unlike Donald. 12 5: And the I don't -- I don't mind the caps 5 is still -- is -- is fairly nice. 13 I don't really object to the Phrygian cap. 14 like the incuse Liberty to emphasize it, but it 15 wouldn't be one of my -- my favorites, but I don't 16 dislike it. 17 people have said. 18 would be simpler with more negative space without the 19 -- and without the sun behind it, and also maybe 20 suitable for a larger coin. 21 22 I kind of And 6, I kind of agree with what other I like the design. Going on to reverses. I think it Reverse 1, I agree with what Kellen and Jeanne have said. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It's a Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 51 1 little too busy, but it's -- the basic elements are 2 great. 3 different than they said. 4 stars and/or the stars and chains, I would eliminate 5 the stars where they are and put stars, maybe three 6 stars on each side where the chains are. 7 the stars -- we eliminate the chains, and we have 8 three stars on each side there. 9 I like design 2. I -- I would suggest something a little bit Rather than eliminating the So you have It is a little bit 10 busy for a dime, but I still like it. 11 like, but I agree with what was said earlier. 12 little bit too busy. 13 where you don't have the -- just have the simple "one 14 dime" below the eagle, but you don't have the teapot, 15 either. 16 teapot was, and I realized Boston Tea Party, maybe tea 17 being symbolic of Englishmen. 18 teapot on there, but if you have just the eagle of 3 19 above the "one dime" of 3A, I think that makes a lot 20 of sense. 21 22 Design 3 I It's a You kind of merged 3 with 3A It took me a while to figure out what the 4: But I didn't like the I also find it too complicated, particularly for a dime. I -- I realize that the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 52 1 symbol of the earthquake is -- they're talking about 2 splitting the nation apart, which it did. 3 living in California, the first thing I said, "What's 4 the earthquake doing there?" 5 too busy, anyway. 6 However, But I -- I think it's On design 5, I agree with what Jeanne 7 said. 8 me a while to look at it and figure out that was 9 tyranny. 10 11 I -- I like Old English lettering, but it took And you know, the average person looking at it quickly, I don't -- I don't think would do it. I kind of like how -- the E pluribus 12 unum torch thing. 13 that design someplace else. 14 have it breaking tyranny. 15 for -- necessarily for the dime, though, if you got 16 rid of the "tyranny" and just had the -- the torch 17 being held up with the rest of the design there, I 18 think would probably be an acceptable design. 19 I don't know whether we can use I'm not sure we want to Again, I don't think it's I'd also like to mirror what a couple 20 other people said is to complement the -- the Mint and 21 the Mint artists for particularly the dime portfolio 22 and portfolio in general. I -- I think it's a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 53 1 situation where we really can't make too bad a choice 2 here. 3 like better than others, and -- and again, with 4 perhaps a little change in expression with 5 Ms. Liberty, good designs, so thank you all. You know, it's all pretty nice stuff. 6 7 THE CHAIRMAN: John, thank you very much. 8 9 All right. Some I For my own comments, like many of my colleagues, I do find this design, obverse 1, to be a 10 really rather strong and compelling design. 11 I found this rather reminiscent of Charles Barber's 12 design for the nickel that appeared between 1883 and 13 1913. 14 riffs, it seems, on that design, and I think that this 15 would certainly work. 16 In fact, There are certain elements and compositional Design obverse number 2 is a beautiful 17 design. It has sort of a pre-Raphaelite quality to 18 it, which I found really quite interesting and just 19 lovely. 20 too lovely in a way to appear on the coins. 21 you know, dynamic portrait or dynamic representation 22 of Liberty, and I did like the dynamism of this, but I do wonder, though, if it is just a little www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 3 was a, Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 54 1 again, it just seems, perhaps, a little too intense, a 2 little too angry. 3 bust truncation is a little strange in that regard. 4 And as John noted, I think that the 4 to me seemed to be a bit of a riff on 5 the Peace dollar, the 1921 Peace dollar. 6 of the same compositional elements. 7 representation of Liberty here seems, perhaps, a 8 little too young and girlish and angry also at the 9 same time. 10 11 It has some The And while I like the image to some degree, I'm not sure if it's suitable in its current form. 5: I didn't read this so much as a 12 Phrygian cap, as rather a helmet, a -- in fact, this 13 representation of Liberty here looks much like the 14 helmeted Athena that appears on a lot of classical 15 coinage, and if so, this would be the very first time 16 that we would have a helmeted Liberty as a 17 representation on our coinage. 18 And you know, as Kellen and some others 19 have noted, I think that this could possibly work on a 20 quarter rather than a dime. 21 image, but again, one thing we'd want to consider is 22 just the symbolism of the helmet and just, again, the It is an interesting www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 55 1 way that this, in a sense, ties into that 2 representation of Athena on classical coinage and 3 whether or not that would be appropriate. 4 We saw number 6, or at least a version 5 of that earlier in a portfolio some months ago in the 6 American Liberty portfolio, and at that time, even 7 though I do find this to be a rather strong and 8 engaging image, one thing that worries me in this case 9 is the fact that Liberty is holding arrows, which 10 really would be the very first time Liberty is 11 represented holding arrows. 12 Of course, the eagle, as Annelisa did 13 note, that appears on the reverse of much U.S. 14 coinage, does typically hold a cluster of arrows, but 15 in this case, I think the symbolism is a little 16 confused in the sense that, you know, the arrows are 17 not really an attribute of Liberty and also adds a 18 decidedly martial quality to her, and I'm not sure if 19 that is necessarily the direction we want to go. 20 In terms of the reverses, I think that 21 number 1 is perfectly suitable and certainly works. 22 My only reservation about this is that we've had a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 56 1 torch on the reverse of the dime since 1946, and it 2 might be time to have something else, at least for a 3 brief moment. 4 fantastic dynamic design. 5 the favorite, and I think paired with obverse number 2 6 would make a really rather interesting combination and 7 again would be a very dynamic obverse and reverse 8 combination. 9 Number 2, I think, is really a This, for me, actually was 3 and 3A I found just too cluttered, 10 and in some ways, it's just too reminiscent to a lot 11 of 19th century eagle reverses, such as those that 12 appear on the seated Liberty quarters and others, and 13 I'm not a fan of the broken teapot, and I'm certainly 14 not a fan of minutemen on coinages. 15 there have been far too many minutemen that have 16 appeared on U.S. coins over the years, and I don't 17 really find it to be a particularly interesting image. 18 And I'm, like John, a little disturbed and concerned 19 about the earthquake appearing, you know, between this 20 figure's legs. 21 22 I think that And finally, the final reverse design I really found to be quite interesting. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I love the way Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 57 1 that the "E Pluribus Unum" here is being used as the 2 torch handle. 3 like the way that the inscriptions "United States of 4 America" and "one-dime" are presented. 5 tyranny bands I'm not so fond of, partly because I 6 think it would be very difficult to read what that is 7 on the dime, but also, as I believe Mike mentioned, I 8 don't really think it's necessary to have the word 9 "tyranny" on the coinage. 10 I think that that's very clever. I do The broken So that's what I have to say. Having 11 said that, are there any other questions or comments 12 from the committee at this time? 13 14 All right. I see somebody has raised their hand, but I can't see who it is. 15 Chris, if you would. 16 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Sure. So just another 17 bite at the apple, and thanks to everyone for their 18 -- their comments along the way. 19 little bit about process and if this is something, you 20 know, since we will see these again, if there are ways 21 of communicating things we might want to see. 22 example, I'll just toss out 3, which people could I'm wondering a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So for Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 58 1 concur with or not. 2 obverse 2 if there's a -- if there's a version with 3 the -- the head reversed so that it sort of aligns 4 more with the historic pattern of -- of the heads on 5 the obverse of dimes in our history. 6 You know, one -- we could ask for A second would be maybe we would want 7 to see reverse 4 again but with the traditional Daniel 8 Chester French pose of the statue rather than the 9 soldier, you know, taking up arms. And it -- but I 10 think the one I would really push for, I think a lot 11 of people were really interested in 5 but thought 12 maybe the banner doesn't work or it's too small for a 13 dime, and maybe, you know, rather than just sort of 14 -- you know, we could just invite another view of it 15 in some -- some point in the next meeting. 16 17 18 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you, Chris. And -- and again, just to reiterate, 19 what we are doing today with the dime portfolios and 20 the quarter portfolios, especially, is just to provide 21 critique and criticism and possible paths forward for 22 the designs in these portfolios and to also indicate www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 59 1 those that, perhaps, shouldn't go forward, and those 2 that should go forward but, perhaps, with some 3 modifications. 4 So John, your hand is raised, I see. 5 MR. SAUNDERS: Yes, I'm kind of along 6 the same ways as Chris. I would suggest that we score 7 it as is and then maybe have a second column saying 8 this is what I think it would score if we did a 9 suggestion to it. Again, I like reverse 1, but I 10 -- I'd like it with the stars eliminated or the stars 11 moved to the side. 12 So that -- that's the number one thing 13 I had to say that it's -- it's -- I think it's a place 14 to make comments as well as just to give -- make a 15 score. 16 in by email. And then Greg had asked that everybody send it 17 Greg, would you bear with me and take a 18 text from me, because I don't have email capacity from 19 my house. I can email it to you -- 20 MR. WEINMAN: Sure, no problem. 21 And if I can make a comment on that. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, please. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 60 1 MR. WEINMAN: It would be significantly 2 easier for me not to add a column and just vote for it 3 and then have a conversation about it, because 4 otherwise it's -- that'll -- we don't -- our system's 5 just not set up for that very well. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 MR. WEINMAN: Okay. I'd prefer -- I'd prefer 8 just to score or not score the design as it is and 9 then have a conversation that follows from it. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: And -- and again, in 11 terms of the process, so we will be scoring today, but 12 Greg will present the scores tomorrow. 13 MR. WEINMAN: 14 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. So after we are finished 15 with the discussion on the dime, the two quarters, and 16 then the half dollar tomorrow morning, we will then 17 have a discussion where Greg will present the scores 18 and we can continue with the critique. 19 So we will score today, but we will not 20 have the scores presented to us today, but rather 21 tomorrow where we will continue this discussion, so 22 -- and the other concern that I have about presenting www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 61 1 scores or presenting comments on the sheet is that I 2 -- I think it's best that we keep these comments on 3 the public record as much as we possibly can, and that 4 is also, I think beneficial for the Mint staff as 5 well, just to hear our comments as we go along. 6 MR. WEINMAN: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 Agreed. Any other comments, then, on this dime portfolio? 9 MR. MORAN: Peter, this is Mike Moran. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: 11 MR. MORAN: Mike, please. For a change, I actually 12 wrote my comments up ahead of time, and -- because I 13 felt like that the -- for the Mint staff, they either 14 have to wait for the transcript or take notes, and you 15 can lose some of the give and take in taking the 16 notes. 17 available to April and her staff. 18 they wrote theirs up, I think it would help. 19 I'm certainly willing to make my write-up THE CHAIRMAN: Anybody else, if All right. We do have a 20 bit of time left. We are quite a bit ahead of 21 schedule, so one suggestion is, perhaps, that we just 22 move through each one of these designs individually, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 62 1 and we can just make some comments on them in the time 2 that we have remaining, and then we can score, then 3 take a break and move on to the next portfolio. 4 5 So April, would you like to just set it up so we can move through these designs individually? 6 7 MS. STAFFORD: So in the remaining -- although I do see Kellen's hand is up. 8 9 Absolutely. THE CHAIRMAN: Yeah. Kellen. Yeah. So Kellen, please. 10 MR. HOARD: Thank you. This is Kellen 11 Hoard. I was -- I really have no problem with that. 12 I was just going to say, though, just for use of time, 13 I didn't think we necessarily needed to move through 14 these individually since we -- we kind of did just go 15 through them, and I'm not sure how much new commentary 16 we could add just by going one by one by one by one. 17 I -- I like the idea of providing some more nuance 18 because, again, I know we had different suggestions 19 about things, but I just didn't know what utility 20 there would be in -- in going through them again. 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: you for that. All right. Well, thank Let's just move through them quickly, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 63 1 then. 2 does seem to be general agreement that this is a 3 fairly successful design, it certainly could work. 4 Any other additional commentary on that? 5 6 7 I think, you know, for this first one, there Although Donald, I know you were not a fan of the hairband. MR. SCARINCI: No, I -- I think -- I 8 think we need to -- I think the hairband is -- looks 9 kind of ridiculous. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 11 Mike, your hand was up. 12 MR. MORAN: I'm going to reinforce 13 Donald on that, particularly because it's my pet 14 peeve, it's got "250 years" on it, it's too big, it 15 detracts from the overall element and the beauty of 16 the face and the hair. It just needs to go. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: 18 On to number 2. All right. Thank you. Again, this seems to 19 have been a generally popular design for most of the 20 committee members. 21 John, you have your hand raised. 22 MR. SAUNDERS: I was actually www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 64 1 commenting on number 1, just commenting on how much it 2 looks like the $20 gold piece. 3 interesting to show a picture of -- of the Coronet 4 Head 20 against the design number 1. It would be almost 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 6 Donald, your hand is raised again. 7 MR. SCARINCI: Yeah, I think -- I think 8 this -- I -- I love the expression. 9 into the spark. I could even buy I think that's kind of interesting. 10 I -- I think again, it's the flowers on the hair. 11 Just get rid of the flowers on the hair, right, and 12 -- and the -- and whatever it is she's wearing, you 13 know, just make it look like something that somebody 14 would wear today, in the 21st century, today. 15 wrong with this; right? 16 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. What's Thank you. 17 Although, I believe that's an oak leaf wreath, not 18 -- not flowers so much, if I'm reading that correct. 19 20 MR. SCARINCI: Whatever it is. Whatever it is, it looks silly. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 All right. Yeah. No, I get it. Sam, you have a comment? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 65 1 MR. GELBERD: Hi, Peter. 2 This is Sam Gelberd. With the -- I do 3 like the idea for obverse 2 maybe facing the other way 4 as was suggested earlier. 5 appears on this, and of course, with the theme of the 6 dime, Liberty Over Tyranny. 7 compromise instead of the oak wreath, which is more of 8 a symbol of wisdom that's gained over time, because we 9 were just a fledgling, I mean, not even really a I love how large Liberty And maybe a nice 10 nation yet, perhaps a laurel or a wreath or olives 11 -- olive wreath might be a nice compromise instead, 12 reflecting more peaceful intentions. 13 Just one idea. But yes, facing the other way, and you 14 mentioned earlier, we can get to it more without 15 obverse 4, but facing the other way as well so it is 16 more similar to the Peace dollar design as you had 17 mentioned previously. 18 That's all. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 raised, I believe. 21 22 Jeanne, your hand is You're muted. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: you. Yes, yes. Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 66 1 If we changed the direction of her 2 view, you know, from right to left, the whole design 3 is going to have to change because the right hand is 4 holding the spark. 5 have the correct design -- virtual connectivity 6 interruption -- and as far as the headpiece goes, 7 there's nothing wrong with these head pieces. 8 -- they're -- they're ribbons, they're -- 9 10 So I don't know if you're going to THE REPORTER: court reporter here. 11 I'm sorry. They're This is the We're having -- MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: I think it's a 12 -- a -- that's very much needed, and we -- we can't 13 disregard the headpieces. 14 -- are very good. 15 her face around. 16 turn around. I think the oak leaves are So -- but please reconsider turning Her whole -- the whole thing would The whole design would -- 17 Thank you. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: 19 All right. Thank you, Jeanne. 3 and 4 there didn't seem 20 to be as much enthusiasm for, so unless there's a 21 desire to dwell on these, we could just move on to 22 number 5 and 6. 5, there did seem to be some interest www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 67 1 in this. Again, my concern here is that I believe 2 that this is a helmeted Liberty, which would be rather 3 novel and something for us to consider. 4 think, as many of the others on the committee -- do 5 see this as a rather strong potential candidate 6 design, if not for the design -- or not for the dime, 7 then for, perhaps, one of the quarters. But I -- I do 8 Any other comments on this? 9 All right, then. 10 April, Yes? 11 MS. STAFFORD: 12 May I just go back, because there were a few comments on -- on design 3. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. 14 MS. STAFFORD: There were a few members 15 who did say that they appreciated that kind of leaning 16 in, although I think we -- there's a theme we're 17 hearing for some of these designs to kind of dial down 18 on the anger or what's perceived as anger and kind of 19 focus in on resolve or determination. 20 heard the -- the feedback about the breadth of the 21 where the bust ends. 22 And I also Again, so -- so if there's anything www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 68 1 else, unless we see through the score sheets that 2 members score this as zero, zero, zero or gets very 3 little support, if it were brought back in October, 4 those would be the -- the changes unless there's other 5 items that we're hearing. 6 And then, again, 4: Again, if it were 7 to be brought back, I heard she seems a bit young, a 8 bit too angry, and then just, in general, the idea 9 about what does any kind of hairpiece or head wear, if 10 any -- what's appropriate for Liberty and that it was 11 a -- a little too busy. 12 indicate that there is an interest in seeing a version 13 of this move forward, those would be some of the 14 pieces we would work with artists on. 15 16 So again, if the score sheets And again, if I'm missing anything, I invite folks to correct that. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. All right. 18 April. 19 skipping over those so quickly. Thank you, Thank you very much, and apologies for 20 Arthur, Art, you had a hand raised. 21 MR. BERNSTEIN: 22 Yes, I did. This is Arthur Bernstein, and my comment relates to obverse 5, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 69 1 which you had just gone to. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: 3 MR. BERNSTEIN: Yeah. My comment, which I 4 didn't offer the first time I spoke, I would like to 5 see a little less emphasis on the hair of Lady 6 Liberty, and in this particular design, there's 7 -- it's clever having that one curl go outside the 8 border and -- and circle the word in, but I just think 9 it draws too much attention to hair, which I don't 10 think is an important part of the depiction of Lady 11 Liberty. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: 13 Donald, your hand is raised. 14 15 All right. Thank you. You're muted. MR. SCARINCI: Yes, thank you. Yeah, 16 listen, as to -- as to obverse 5, I -- I -- you know, 17 again, I -- I don't get the helmet, I don't get the 18 -- you know, I just don't -- I don't get what's going 19 on at the top of her head; right? 20 very compelling design once you get -- once you get to 21 the hairline, and then above the hairline, it's weird. 22 It looks like a porcupine or something weird, so I It's a -- it's a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 70 1 would -- you've got to do something about the -- the 2 -- whatever's on top of her head. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Again, the way that I 4 read this, the imagery is making a very clear 5 reference to the type of helmet that appears on 6 Athena, particularly on Athenian coinage, where you 7 have these upright laurel leaves. 8 in this case, is designed with the sun, and then the 9 crest of the helmet has "Liberty" engraved in it as The helmet itself, 10 well. So you know, again, this is a very classical 11 reference to Athena's helmet on ancient coinage. 12 Anyone else for this? 13 All right, number 6. 14 All right, then -- 15 Kellen? 16 MR. HOARD: Yeah, I was just going to 17 say for number 6, I would love to see a design option, 18 I think some members mentioned this, without the sun 19 in the background just to kind of see what that would 20 look like with having that space there, and also 21 potentially in a quarter portfolio. 22 people mentioned including myself, that it might look I know multiple www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 71 1 nice on a larger coin given how complex the design 2 elements are. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 4 Sam, your hand is raised. 5 MR. GELBERD: Thank you, Peter. This 6 is Sam Gelberd. I do concur with what Kellen just 7 said. 8 they would lend themselves better renditions on the 9 quarters, design 5 on the Declaration of Independence Designs 5 and 6, a bit busier, and I do think 10 quarter, and design 6 for the Constitution, 11 respectively. 12 Thank you. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 I cannot see whose hand is -- 15 Jeanne, your hand is raised. 16 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: All right. 17 This is Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. 18 6, if this should come back to us. 19 need -- 20 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Yes, thank you. One comment on number I think we Jeanne, I'm sorry. You're breaking up a little bit at the moment. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Is that going to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 72 1 be better? 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, that's better. Thank you. 4 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Okay. I think 5 the artist needs to pay attention to the forearms of 6 Lady Liberty, which look like they're kind of broken 7 somewhere. 8 at again. 9 That's all. 10 11 14 Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: thank you. 12 13 This is -- the anatomy needs to be looked All right. Jeanne, That's a very useful comment. Any else? Any other comments on number 6? Again, my own reservation about number 15 6 largely has to do with the symbolism, particularly 16 of the arrows that she's holding in one of her hands. 17 And again, this would be something rather novel in 18 terms of the representation of Liberty, and I'm not 19 sure, again, if that martial attribute is something 20 that we necessarily want to underscore. 21 John, your hand is raised. 22 MR. SAUNDERS: Yes, Peter. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I wanted to Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 73 1 kind of echo your comments on the Athenian head. I 2 mean, obviously from the Athens tetradrachm, it's kind 3 of the ultimate classic, along with the Alexander the 4 Great stater has a -- it doesn't have a crest on it, 5 but it has a helmet. 6 for this series because, while that design has been 7 adopted as, you know Britannia and you see that on the 8 Britannia gold coins, the helmet it had, I mean, this 9 -- this wasn't war against Britain, the War of I'm not sure it's appropriate 10 Independence, so maybe we should not have one of their 11 symbols that they've appropriated there. 12 I mean, it's -- it's used by other 13 people too. 14 is very much Pallas Athena, and so forth. 15 do think on -- on -- after hearing your comment, I 16 -- I must say that we probably shouldn't have -- have 17 a -- the helmet that resembles the Britannia helmet on 18 the series. 19 I mean, it's -- it's the -- Dutch Maiden THE CHAIRMAN: But I -- I John, thank you very 20 much for making that clear and I very much appreciate 21 that comment. 22 Is there anything else on the obverses? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 74 1 We have a little bit more time for the reverse design, 2 so -- 3 4 Sam, did you have another comment on the obverse? 5 MR. GELBERD: Yeah, just one last note 6 on design 5. Because it is that classic, like we 7 said, you know, Athena and even the -- you know, the 8 Head of Herakles, Alexander, I think a lot of 9 collectors might latch on because it is evocative of 10 Barber's design that was used on the dime, quarter, 11 and half dollar, but it also has a little bit of some 12 of the elements of George Morgan's dollar, even though 13 it's facing the other way. 14 interesting hybrid of both designs. 15 collectors might be able to latch on to that, but 16 again, as -- on a larger coin like the quarter. I think it's an I think 17 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you. 18 Let's briefly consider the reverses, 19 then, in the few minutes that we have remaining. 20 There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for reverse 21 design 1, and there have been some suggestions that 22 the chain and the stars be removed. This has been www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 75 1 repeated a number of times. 2 comments on this design? 3 All right. Are there any other Number 2 there did not seem 4 to be much enthusiasm for, nor for 3 or 3A. 5 received some support. 4 6 April, you have your hand raised. 7 MS. STAFFORD: 8 just wanted to ask: 9 they really liked reverse 2. I -- I apologize. I I did hear a few members say that I don't know that it was 10 a groundswell. 11 -- will show us one way or another, but I -- but I 12 just wanted to kind of -- this is why I think it's 13 helpful to go through the portfolio one more time 14 because, you know, we -- we take different things out. 15 And I know that the scoring will So as I was taking notes, I did hear 16 several voices in support of reverse 2, although 17 there's a question about, I know, in general, the idea 18 of repeating 250 years, if that's redundant or what 19 have you. 20 21 22 So I just wanted to submit that. THE CHAIRMAN: we can go back to 2. Yeah. Thank you. I personally quite like 2. Arthur, your hand was raised, I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Yeah, Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 76 1 believe. 2 MR. BERNSTEIN: Well, I -- this is 3 Arthur Bernstein, and I appreciate April making that 4 point because I was enthusiastic about design 2, and I 5 have it down as a three-pointer on my score sheet. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 And Mike, your hand is raised. 8 MR. MORAN: 9 Mike Moran. All right. Very good. Thank you, Peter. This is For the last, well, more than 100 years, 10 the -- the reverse on the dime has been dominated by 11 one central vertical design element. 12 silly "250 years" ribbon, and you've got an impressive 13 eagle that works on a dime. 14 You drop out the You might want to raise -- enlarge the 15 denomination a bit but, the "E Pluribus Unum" is where 16 you can read it. 17 point in time in terms of the -- the times, and it's 18 not a bad design at all this way. 19 gets us away from the central vertical element. It is the dominant motto at this And as I said, it 20 THE CHAIRMAN: Wonderful. 21 Anything else? 22 All right, what about 3 and 3a, then? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 77 1 2 Somebody's hand is raised, although I can't see whose hand it is. 3 Annelisa. 4 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 5 This is Annelisa Purdie. I just want to -- agreement 6 -- for the teapot, how it doesn't work, not just in 7 terms of historical inaccuracy -- but also the theme 8 of stomping on tyranny in the form of a teapot just 9 doesn't really fit. Even though it harkens back to 10 the Boston Tea Party, I think that -- would likely 11 wonder what the eagle has against this teapot in the 12 first place. 13 it's just not working here. It's just -- I -- I get the concept, but 14 Thank you. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 Yes, thank you very much. 17 Any other comments on 3 or 3A? 18 right. 19 comments on 4. What about 4? All We did hear quite a few 20 Sam, again. 21 MR. GELBERD: 22 The poor teapot. Yes, Peter. Yeah, I think I may have been one of the only people that did www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 78 1 think 4 might work as the reverse on this, and my main 2 inclination for saying that was because of the theme 3 Liberty Over Tyranny. 4 yes, we've had many minutemen on our coins before. 5 Looks like the -- commemorative half dollar. 6 You've got a minuteman, and But because, you know, you've got a 7 farmer facing the east, or facing England, I just 8 think the symbolism works well, but yeah, the -- the 9 earthquake, yeah, I cannot respect why that may play 10 as well. But I did just want to say I do think it 11 could work, albeit a little bit busy, so I can 12 understand some reluctance. 13 really does represent the theme exceptionally well. 14 That's all. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 Sam. But again, I think it All right. Thank you, Thank you. 17 And yeah, we've also had a lot of 18 Liberties and Eagles on our coins as well, too, so 19 fair enough. 20 Any other comments on 4? Then 5? And 21 again, there seemed to be a lot of support for the 22 torch handle, the way that this is represented here, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 79 1 but other elements had more problems. 2 John, I see your hand is raised. 3 MR. SAUNDERS: I'm kind of echoing what 4 you just said after I put my hand up. 5 the Mint bring it back to us with the "tyranny" gone, 6 the -- the -- 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 Okay. 9 I'd like to see All right. Thank you. Do we have any final comments, then, before we score this portfolio? And again, I 10 ask that you email, if you can, your score sheets to 11 Greg, and we will then review the scores tomorrow. 12 And as you are emailing your scores to Greg, we will 13 also take a 15-minute break, so we will reconvene at 14 11:45. So see you in a few moments. 15 (Off the record.) 16 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. So we are 17 now back from break, and we will move on to our next 18 order of business, which is the consideration of the 19 2026 Semiquincentennial quarter commemorating the 20 Declaration of Independence and the 2026 platinum 21 American Eagle proof coin. 22 the theme of these two coins are identical, and that I will note that because www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 80 1 is the Declaration of Independence, that we will be 2 considering them together but discussing each 3 sequentially. 4 So April will momentarily introduce 5 both portfolios, but then we will discuss the quarter 6 design portfolio, and then after lunch, we will 7 discuss the platinum candidate design portfolio and 8 then have a broader discussion. 9 enough time for that. 10 11 I believe we'll have So April, if you would like to walk us through the portfolios, please. 12 MS. STAFFORD: Absolutely. And as 13 before, I'll share the program background, and again, 14 I'll share the background for the quarter as well as 15 the American Eagle Platinum Proof when we go into the 16 candidate designs. 17 Okay. So starting with the circulating 18 quarter. In 2026, as a reminder, the Mint will 19 release five quarter dollars with all new obverse and 20 reverse designs. 21 Semiquincentennial, these quarters will explore 22 historic inflection points across our 250 years during In commemoration of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 81 1 which our founding principles were revisited, 2 reaffirmed, and reasserted to collectively move us 3 forward as a nation. 4 Taken together, the quarters will tell 5 the story of liberty in America, illustrate the 6 expansion of our hard-earned liberties, and exemplify 7 what is required of its people when we face great 8 obstacles. 9 of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, Abolitionism, The five quarter themes are: Declaration 10 Suffrage, and Civil Rights. 11 quarter will depict Liberty and/or historic figures, 12 while the reverses will explore the inflection points 13 more in depth. 14 The obverses of each So as background for the Declaration of 15 Independence quarter, specifically, it was on July 2, 16 1776, that the Second Continental Congress voted to 17 declare independence from Great Britain. 18 later, the Congress approved the language of the 19 Declaration of Independence to solemnly publish and 20 declare to the world what -- what forced this 21 momentous step and the birth of a new nation unlike it 22 before. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Two days Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 82 1 On May 8, 1825, Thomas Jefferson wrote 2 to Henry Lee explaining about the Declaration of 3 Independence, that it was, quote, "intended to be an 4 expression of the American mind." 5 revolution, the American mind had been influenced by 6 the Enlightenment and was focused on essentially four 7 principles: 8 of law and the social contract. 9 At the time of the Natural rights, popular sovereignty, rule Quote, "We hold these truths to be 10 self-evident," Thomas Jefferson and his fellow 11 drafters proclaimed, and launched ideas that shook the 12 foundation of the 18th century established order. 13 Quote, "All men are created equal, endowed by their 14 creator with certain unalienable rights, that among 15 these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, 16 that to secure these rights, governments are 17 instituted among men, deriving their just powers from 18 the consent of the governed," end quote. 19 So within the quarter theme of 20 inflection points, the Declaration of Independence can 21 be considered America's first and, perhaps, boldest 22 expression of the values and aspirations that came to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 83 1 define our national identity. 2 Revolution at Lexington and Concord was the shot heard 3 'round the world,' then the Declaration of 4 Independence can be considered the shout heard 'round 5 the world.' 6 If the spark of the Obverse designs again will feature 7 Liberty, and the reverses will commemorate the 8 Declaration of Independence as an expression of 9 American ideals and a reasoned, irrefutable argument 10 for independence. 11 As the chairman noted, because these 12 quarter candidate designs share the same theme with 13 the platinum proof portfolios, these designs could be 14 applied to the American Eagle Platinum Proof program 15 and vice versa, so if you see designs that you'd like 16 formatted for the other portfolio, please just 17 identify them. 18 Required obverse inscriptions for this 19 quarter are "E Pluribus Unum," "In God We Trust," and 20 the dual date 1776 through 2026. 21 artists were asked to feature "E Pluribus Unum" as a 22 unifying convention across the five quarters on the As a reminder, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 84 1 obverses, as well as to underscore how the idea of 2 "out of many, one" has provided a foundational concept 3 across our 250 years. 4 are "Liberty," "United States of America," and the 5 denomination. 6 Required reverse inscriptions Optionally, artists were asked to 7 include the inscription "Declaration of Independence" 8 to identify the coin as commemorating this particular 9 document. 10 So we'll start with the obverses, please, of the Declaration of Independence quarters. 11 We had them up on the screen, so if the 12 person who's sharing their screen could go back to the 13 obverses. 14 obverse 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. 15 on to the reverses for the Declaration of Independence 16 quarter, we have reverse 1, 1A, 2, 2A, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 17 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 12A, and finally, 13. 18 Thank you. All right. We'll move through And moving Moving on to the American Eagle 19 platinum proof coin program for 2026. The current 20 series, First Amendment to the United States 21 Constitution, launched in 2021 and will conclude in 22 2025. As a reminder, since 2018, a common reverse has www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 85 1 united these coins and features an eagle in flight 2 carrying an olive branch along with the inscriptions 3 "United States of America," "$100," "1 OZ," and ".9995 4 Platinum." 5 "Liberty," "E Pluribus Unum," and the year of minting, 6 and "In God We Trust." The obverse includes inscriptions 7 In 2026, to coincide with our 8 Semiquincentennial, we will launch the Charters of 9 Freedom platinum proof coin series. The Charters of 10 Freedom series, inspired by the National Archive 11 Museum's Rotunda for the Charters of Freedom, where 12 these treasures are housed, will consist of three 13 platinum proof coins produced over three years, each 14 dedicated to one of three essential documents to the 15 founding of the United States, the Declaration of 16 Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of 17 Rights. 18 This series will honor the core 19 principles of the nation as mapped out in these 20 charters and inspire a deeper understanding and 21 appreciation for the documents that have guided the 22 United States. Kicking off the series in 2026, the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 86 1 Declaration of Independence candidate designs 2 illustrate how this document embodies the seismic 3 shift when American colonists first asserted 4 themselves as citizens, not subjects beholden to the 5 British Crown. 6 the rights of the people and the consent of the 7 governed, will reverberate across the foundational 8 documents yet to come, together shaping our new 9 American democracy. 10 Its founding principles, grounded in As I indicated for the quarters, 11 because this portfolio shares the same theme with one 12 of the quarters, the designs may be shared across, and 13 so if you see things you would like formatted, please 14 identify them. 15 development for the second and third years in this 16 three-year series, we ask that you identify the 2026 17 platinum designs that you believe are strong 18 candidates for the program, that you would like to see 19 again, and you would like us to base the second and 20 third years from. 21 candidate designs for the second and third 22 installments for you to review at a future date. As the Mint will soon be in We will then ask artists to develop www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 87 1 So moving on to these obverse candidate 2 designs, we have obverse 1, 1A, 2, 3, and 3A, 4, 5, 3 5A, 6, and 7. 4 5 And, Mr. Chairman, that concludes the candidate designs. 6 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 10 Are there any technical or legal questions on either one of these programs or designs from the committee at this point? 11 12 April, thank you very much for that. 8 9 All right. I do see a hand raised. I cannot see whose hand that is. 13 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 DR. CAPOZZOLA: It's Chris Capozzola. I'm sorry? This is -- it's Chris 16 Capozzola here. This is a very basic question. 17 should know it. How big is this coin when it is 18 minted; what's the dimensions? 19 20 THE CHAIRMAN: I assume you mean the platinum coin; is that correct? 21 22 I DR. CAPOZZOLA: Yeah, the platinum. Yeah, yeah. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 88 1 2 MS. STAFFORD: I will get those for you. 3 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Okay. Thank you. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 Any other technical or legal questions? 6 Okay. All right. Thank you. As I mentioned earlier, I would 7 like to discuss each of these portfolios individually 8 before we then consider any sharing or possible 9 switching between the two portfolios, simply because 10 the quarter portfolio is rather large, and I would 11 like to be able to focus on each of these 12 individually, focusing initially on artistic merit, 13 and then we can have a further discussion, and I 14 believe we will have time for that. 15 So let me begin our discussion. And 16 again, if you could try with this very large portfolio 17 to keep your discussion to five minutes or less, it 18 would be most appreciated. 19 We'll begin with Mike Moran. 20 If you would, please. 21 MR. MORAN: 22 Peter, do you want me just to talk about the quarter on the Declaration of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 89 1 Independence? 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, just the quarter portfolio to begin with. 4 MR. MORAN: Okay. This is Mike Moran. 5 The Phrygian cap makes its appearance here, and this 6 cap was worn by freed former slaves of the Roman 7 Empire. 8 American coins. 9 designs for the Abolition and Civil Rights themed 10 Thomas Jefferson objected to its use on I believe it more appropriate for quarters. 11 Both these quarters, the motto "In God 12 We Trust" should be minimized, as it did not appear on 13 our coinage in 1864 when talking about the Declaration 14 of Independence until 1864. 15 on the reverse, even though you've got it on the 16 obverse. 17 And I would even put it Turning to the quarter, specifically, I 18 agree with the Mint's questioning of the treatment of 19 Liberty's eyes in 3 and 3A, and I'm struck by the 20 beauty and emotion imparted to the treatment of 21 Liberty's hair in 3. 22 clutter. 6: Design 6 falls victim to "In God We Trust" moved to the reverse would www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 90 1 help, allowing the reduction in the size of the "E 2 Pluribus Unum," would fix -- also fix this issue. 3 9's excellent. 10 falls victim to the 4 clutter problem again. The Declaration of 5 Independence should appear as an inscription on the 6 reverse. 7 numismatic heritage. 8 and I disagree with that. 9 I do not like the scratch-out in reverse 11, and the Reverse 3 with the chain is of strong The SMA suggested the softening, Reverse 8 is too cluttered. 10 heraldic eagle in number 13 needs feet. 11 concept, but I'm afraid we put the feet in there, it's 12 going to get everything -- the symmetry out of whack 13 on that one. 14 Those are my comments. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 All right. I do like the Mike, thank you very much. 17 Donald Scarinci, if you would, please. 18 MR. SCARINCI: 19 I'm sorry, I just had to unmute. 20 I'll be brief. I like -- I like 21 obverse 2. I don't -- you know, I -- you know, I 22 think we don't need the Phrygian cap, but I like it. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 91 1 I like obverse 9 without the stars and without the 2 hat, you know, and maybe, you know, with a different 3 -- with some different clothing, but I think that's 4 more of the right idea. 5 close. 6 of their hair. 7 obverse 8 work for an obverse design, maybe at some 8 point for a reverse design, but not for an obverse 9 design. 10 You know, I think we're I mean, again, it's all the stuff in -- in all I -- I also don't think obverse 7 or So that's the obverses. I -- I think the -- in terms of 11 reverses, you know, since I -- you know, I'm very 12 -- you know, I'm -- I'm certainly -- I think -- I 13 think here's where I wouldn't really have much of a 14 problem with, you know, Independence Hall, the image 15 of Independence Hall. 16 My preference would be 1A as between 17 the two of them. I think -- I think, you know, since 18 I collected Fugio cents by die variety, and actually, 19 at one point before I sold the collection to Syd 20 Martin, and it just auctioned off, by the way, I had 21 53 of the varieties of Fugio cents. 22 obviously, I'm partial on a personal basis to number And so, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 92 1 3, you know, the -- the chain linking of -- of the 13 2 original colonies being an original conception by 3 Benjamin Franklin himself, so -- in a resolution 4 passed by the Continental Congress authorizing the 5 Fugio cent. 6 So and I -- and I think 6, as simple 7 -- as plain and simple as it is, is -- is something 8 very identifiable in this theme. 9 like -- you know, it is a quarter, so it's a small And you know, and I 10 -- the -- but the -- you know, so the negative space 11 really lets the -- lets the bell stand out. 12 That's -- those are my thoughts. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 John Saunders, if you would, please. believe you're muted. 17 MR. SAUNDERS: 18 back on. 19 machines. 20 Donald, thank you very much. 15 16 All right. I pushed it and it went I don't -- I'm not very good at these Anyway, Peter, thank you very much. I like obverse 1 far away better than 21 any other obverses. I just thought it was -- it was 22 dynamic, there's nothing wrong with it, it's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 93 1 attractive. I just thought it was really nice. 2 Obverse 2 is okay. 3 looking. 4 obverse 1, but it's okay. 5 thought it was okay, but I wasn't excited about it 6 like 1. It's kind of -- kind of simple I don't think it has the dynamicism of I liked 3A. Again, I Kind of the same comment on 5. 7 6 struck me as too busy, probably 7, 8 also. 8, I was reminded of -- of Mike's comment to 9 start with. Looks like Wonder Woman going into battle 10 here. Plus, I think it's really too busy for a -- a 11 coin. Kind of interesting design for maybe something 12 down the road, but not for a quarter obverse. 13 okay. 14 as -- as really too busy again. 15 number 1 guy here on this -- this obverse. 16 Again, I wasn't excited about it. The reverses: 9 was 10 struck me So I'm -- I'm a 1 and 1A, I don't have a 17 problem with the Independence Hall. It's kind of 18 nice. 19 and pursuit of happiness," which is 1A, better than 20 "We hold these truths," but I also like where 1 has 21 the quarter dollar and the other one says "Declaration 22 of Independence." I -- I like the idea of having "Life, liberty, I'd kind of take 1A with the two www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 94 1 reversed. 2 2: It's awfully busy, but it's okay. 3 It's kind of -- 2A is even worse in terms of business, 4 I think. 5 collector, you've got to love Fugio cents. 6 of this is E Pluribus Unum, and 13 interlocking rings 7 certainly brings out "E Pluribus Unum," all of us 8 together, though it might be more suitable for a 9 -- whether you want it on the obverse, but it be Number 3: You know, being a U.S. coin The theme 10 really nice if you could put "E Pluribus Unum" with 11 the rings, but I guess it's against the instruction, 12 so forget that. 13 I think 4 is too busy. 5, you know, I 14 -- I guess is okay, but it didn't really strike me. 15 has got me. 16 of negative space, it's got pretty much everything I'd 17 like to see. 18 looked at these designs, I gravitated to that 19 completely. 20 be wonderful. 21 22 6 It's dynamic, it's action, it's got a lot I mean, it's just -- when I -- when I I think pairing it with obverse 1 would I mean, it's dynamics on both sides. Going on to 8, it -- it's too busy, particularly for a quarter. 9 emphasizes Liberty, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 95 1 which was what was supposed to be emphasized on the 2 dime. 3 like it here for the quarter. 4 like -- I understand the theme of -- of "We're 5 citizens, not subjects anymore," but I -- I didn't 6 like things crossed out, and it didn't appeal to me. 7 12 and -- and 12A, I'm not quite sure It might be suitable for the dime, but I don't 10 is okay. I don't 8 what the Doric column is that symbolic of stuff. I 9 mean, obviously we -- we used the Greek columns in a 10 lot of our government buildings, but I -- I didn't see 11 that as a -- a super theme. 12 but it -- it's a little busy, and as someone has 13 pointed out, it doesn't have the bottom of the eagle. 14 So I -- I'm a strong believer in 1 for 15 the obverse and 6 for the reverse. 16 17 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. John, thank you very much for that. 18 19 And 13 struck me as okay, Dr. Harcourt Fuller, if you would, please. 20 DR. FULLER: 21 The theme of independence is -- is a 22 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. very important theme in world history, you know, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 96 1 particularly from the 18th century, right up to the 2 20th century, and that's why I think this coin is so 3 significant. 4 you know, specific time periods, you know, Silver 5 Jubilees, Golden Jubilees, Diamond Jubilees. 6 country, we're celebrating, you know, 250 years of 7 independence, and that's why this series is one of my 8 favorite series. 9 You know, countries generally celebrate, In this And the coin on the screen right now is 10 one of my favorites. 11 It's -- it's dynamic, you know, there's action in it, 12 and it's -- it's just an amazing coin. 13 know, I'll be giving that, you know, full -- full 14 points. 15 It's just a beautiful coin. And so, you I'd like to go to 3 and 4. And that's 16 why this portfolio was a bit tough, because I'm not 17 -- I don't necessarily -- I'm not really sure what to 18 think about these -- these particular coins, 3 and 4. 19 We've had some discussions about hair, but I just 20 think it's -- these are very iconic, dynamic, 21 different coins; right? 22 what some of my other colleagues feel about them. And so I would love to hear www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 97 1 the only thing I can say is that they're very bold, 2 they're very different, and I'm curious to know what 3 the public would think about them. 4 Can we go to 8, please? 5 I -- I guess I -- I also thought about 6 the sort of Wonder Woman effect, but not in a negative 7 way. 8 current generation, and so I'm not -- I -- I don't 9 necessarily have an opinion on this one. You know, we -- we are producing coins for the I think it's 10 interesting, I think it could work, but -- but in this 11 case, I'd -- I'd really love to -- to hear what other 12 colleagues have to say about it. 13 a -- a different kind of coin and a unique coin. 14 But it is definitely And then with respect to the reverse, 15 I'd have to say 6. You know, 1 and 1A are great, but 16 there's just -- 6, you know, it's -- it's 17 identifiable, it's -- you know, it's a Liberty Bell, 18 it pops, and it's just a -- a unique, simple coin that 19 makes -- makes a -- a great statement. 20 Thank you. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 All right. Dr. Fuller. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you, Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 98 1 Sam Gelberd, if you would, please. 2 MR. GELBERD: 3 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is Sam Gelberd. 4 Of course, because this is the semi 5 -- I really want to see designs that really are 6 reverent of the respect due of our nation's 250th 7 anniversary. 8 like for the Declaration of Independence quarter are 9 with design 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6. With that being said, the direction I do With that being said, 10 3 is my favorite. 11 dynamic. 12 "E Pluribus Unum" is represented with the date, and 13 just the entire layout. 14 a -- a circulating quarter design. 15 I like the -- the hair, very I love the font, especially the way I think it would -- great to Numbers 2 and 9 are okay, I just think 16 they missed the mark a little bit. 17 modern theme ideas with design 7, 8, and 10, but for 18 this particular program, I don't think 7 and 8 really 19 fully convey that theme. 20 Personally, I think it would be better as the platinum 21 proof if we were going to repurpose it or use that. 22 I do enjoy the 10 is very dynamic. Obverse 1, I really do like that a lot. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 99 1 I think it would tie in nicely with the overall 2 "Semi-Q" program if we went with obverse 2 from the 3 dime, the portfolio we previously discussed. 4 symbolism with Ms. Liberty holding the scroll and the 5 torch facing toward England, I just really do like 6 that a lot. The 7 Design 4, 5, and 6: I'd be remiss if I 8 didn't mention how similar they are to the Morgan 9 dollar design, and again, one of the most popularly 10 collected United States designs. 11 people to latch on to -- to this particular quarter, I 12 think one of those designs should really be looked at 13 seriously. 14 If we really want I do agree with some of the others, 15 what some of my colleagues have stated, design 6 does 16 get a little bit too busy, so maybe some rework might 17 be able to work that a little bit. 18 4 and 5, I think, are instant classics as well, but 19 design 3 for the obverse, really do think that would 20 be the best overall. 21 22 But yeah, numbers As to the reverses, I have to go back to the -- some of the earliest designs of the early www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 100 1 U.S. Mint when we have a free-floating shield really 2 representing how we were on our own as our own nation 3 with some of the rules of heraldry. 4 said, reverse 4, of course, very reminiscent of the 5 Fugio cents and Continental currency. 6 that to -- with the other chain reverse of reverse 3. 7 I do think 4 is a little bit better. 8 considered, though, looks a little bit busier, but 9 again, this is for a circulating quarter design, so we 10 With that being I do prefer All things may be able to get away with it. 11 Reverses 2 and 2A really do convey the 12 theme. I think I'd have to go 2A as my absolute 13 favorite just because of the overall layout. 14 think it -- it just, you know, recalls the classic 15 designs of a -- some of the earliest U.S. Mint coins 16 that we've had. 17 on to that. 18 I just I think collectors would really latch Reverses 9 and 10: I do like those 19 with a defiant young eagle also facing toward England, 20 but I believe it was John that stated it may be better 21 suited to the reverse of the dime, and I have to agree 22 in that sense. It was really tough, but again, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 101 1 reverse 2A is my favorite, especially if it was 2 coupled with obverse 3. 3 The other reverses that we mentioned, 4 the Liberty Bell, I could live with that, but the 5 other ones just really don't do a whole lot for me. 6 Again, reverse 3, 13, they're okay, but not the exact 7 direction that I was looking for. 8 And those are my comments. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: 10 Wonderful, Sam. Thank you very much. 11 12 Thank you. Dr. Christopher Capozzola, if you would, please. 13 DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right. 14 This is Christopher Capozzola. I have 15 -- Once again, I'll -- I'll take a little bit of 16 liberty, no pun intended, for a brief history lesson, 17 on a couple different directions. 18 about -- is about our Declaration of Independence, and 19 the second is about sort of how we have commemorated 20 it over time. 21 22 So the first is And I think that, just to give a sense of -- of how people understand this, one of my www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 102 1 favorite books to recommend is by my late MIT 2 colleague, Pauline Maier, a book called "American 3 Scripture" which is about sort of the -- the 4 Declaration of Independence and really sort of 5 arguing, which is the historians' new consensus, that 6 it emerges from many different places, that Americans 7 all around North America declared independence in 8 different ways. 9 And the text that we, you know, ended 10 up adopting in -- in Philadelphia is, in fact, you 11 know, a -- a group effort and not the single product 12 of the mind of -- of Thomas Jefferson. 13 centering Americans declaring independence is always 14 great for me in this. 15 So kind of And then in terms of how we commemorate 16 this, I feel like, you know, my approach with coins 17 all along is: 18 America's past, but also documenting where America is 19 in 2026. 20 -- this -- that whatever we choose for any of these 21 "Semi-Q" coins feel like things that 50 years from now 22 will look like reflections of -- of our moment. Is there a way of -- of documenting And I'm really, you know, hopeful that this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 103 1 And so, you know, that will guide me in 2 this as well, with the added bit that we -- these, I 3 think, are also going to be -- and this quarter in 4 particular, will be in dialogue with the 1976 5 Bicentennial quarter. 6 you know, sort of -- that's what many people will 7 compare it to. 8 to, you know, kind of create some -- some dialogue 9 there. 10 And so it's important that we, They'll engage with it, and we want In terms of the obverses, I'm going to 11 -- I -- you know, with all due respect to the Mint and 12 the artists, my response is "None of the above." 13 think that the obverse for this quarter is a big deal, 14 in part because we're taking George Washington off of 15 it, and if we do that, we need to very clearly 16 communicate to the American public why George 17 Washington is not there and why the thing that 18 replaces him is. 19 -- although the individual designs are very strong, I 20 think that we're not succeeding in that task at this 21 moment. 22 I And I think -- you know, I That said, let me talk about some of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 104 1 the ones that -- that I did like. I -- you know, I 2 think obverse 1 is -- is very good. 3 clear, it's very straightforward, I love the energy, 4 and you know, if -- if it can -- and it's certainly a 5 possibility. 6 before, I don't think Phrygian caps are going to work 7 with the American public. 8 request for feedback on Liberty's expression. 9 this is too -- this would read as "sleepy," I think to It's -- it's very I think -- number 2, as I've said For obverse 3, there was a I think 10 -- to many people with the eyes in the way that they 11 are. 12 they are aesthetically beautiful, don't necessarily 13 convey what happened at Philadelphia in 1776, and so I 14 have a little bit of concern about that. 15 I think all of them, 3, 4 and 5 and 6, although I will say on the -- on the obverse 16 -- I -- I'm going to go out on a limb, and I know I 17 will have opponents here. 18 version of 7 again, and I -- I don't know that this 19 one hits it, either, but this is the one that, you 20 know, could only be made in 2026. 21 22 I would love to see some It reflects our moment. It's a different -- it's a Liberty who does not look like www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 105 1 other Lady Liberties of the past. 2 in our society since 1976, both aesthetic and -- both 3 in our aesthetic and visual culture, as well as our 4 politics. 5 to be simplified, if her facial expression would need 6 to be changed, but I'm -- you know, I would -- I would 7 like to see some -- some version of this again. 8 9 It reflects changes So, you know, I don't know if it's -- needs 8, I do think, as others have said, is maybe not -- not the one to -- to rework. It may be a 10 little bit too superhero-ish for the obverse of our 11 "Semi-Q" quarter. 12 it doesn't work as it is; right? 13 cap and the classical outfit. 14 just -- they cancel each other out a little bit or 15 confuse people or sort of mixing and matching too many 16 things, and I'm also not sure that we need the stars. 17 I think there's also an opportunity to 9, also, I think can be fixed, but We have the colonial I think they kind of 18 -- to take O9, obverse 9, and make this version of 19 Liberty either more multiracial or more racially 20 indeterminate, or, you know, some -- some figure that 21 sort of all Americans could imagine themselves into 22 this figure, which could make her a -- a Liberty for www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 106 1 2026. That wouldn't -- happen in 1976. 2 again, I think is great but -- but busy. 3 4 And 10, All right, let me keep moving because I know I'm going long. 5 On the reverses, I thought -- again, I 6 -- I like 1 and 1A. I think between the two of them, 7 I have a slight preference for 1. 8 need the -- the three dots, you know, I -- I think we 9 can just simplify that for -- for the American public. I don't think you 10 I will -- my concern here is: 11 very good reverse for a 1976 coin, and I don't 12 actually know that it -- it speaks specifically to 13 -- to our moment. 14 them. 15 I think this would be a But you know, I do -- I do like I think -- I'm going to be a downer on 16 3 and 4. 17 for coin collectors and maybe it works for the 18 platinum proof set, but the American public is -- it's 19 a little too inside baseball for the American public 20 for something of -- of this significance. 21 22 I think this -- you know, I think that works Number 6 certainly works. I think people will -- will get it, and they will need to be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 107 1 reminded that we don't know whether the Liberty Bell 2 rang on July 4, 1776, although it certainly was in 3 Philadelphia at the time, so we do need to kind of, 4 you know, check in with our subject matter experts on 5 -- on how they feel about that. 6 Reverse 7 I want to draw our attention 7 to. As I said in my discussion about the dime, I 8 think just somewhere having a really big -- numbers, 9 two, five, zero, is what the American public is going 10 to need to understand what has happened to their coins 11 in 2026. 12 clear about, you know, sort of the -- the various ways 13 that people engage with our money. 14 design, I think, is a little too busy, but I -- you 15 know, I think centering a 250 on this or another 16 quarter could be a -- a really good contribution to 17 what we're doing. 18 I'm not being condescending, I'm just being And I have other comments, but I think 19 others have captured them from here. 20 much. 21 22 This particular THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very All right. very much, Chris. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 108 1 2 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, if you would, please. 3 4 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 5 This is Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. Yes. I 6 would like to go to obverse 1. And I agree with 7 my colleagues. 8 design. 9 I'm more inclined to choose obverse 3 because it is I think this is a -- quite a beautiful However, looking over the entire portfolio, 10 more simple. 11 her eyes were a little more open, that would be very 12 interesting. 13 And yes, she looks a little sleepy. If But I think this is a very crisp design 14 and it would work very well with reverse 6, which is 15 the Liberty Bell that we're talking about. 16 think that we could have a complete coin talking about 17 independence, liberty. 18 any of the other designs because I think everyone else 19 has spoken to them very well, and I do agree with my 20 colleagues. And I just I'm not going to talk about 21 So thank you, Mr. Chairman. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you, Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 109 1 Jeanne. 2 Annelisa Purdie, if you would, please. 3 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 4 This is Annelisa Purdie. 5 things brief, as brief as possible. 6 I'm also going to keep For the obverse designs, I found that 3 7 through 6 generally did seem like variations on the 8 same theme. 9 way, which I'm not mad at, but I'm not sure how -- for 4 is reminiscent of Betty Davis in some 10 this particular coin how it would function. 11 preference for the obverse were number 1, number 9, 12 and slightly number 10. 13 My I agree that 10 is very busy, but I 14 also think that with some modifications, this could 15 possibly work. 16 different elements going on. 17 the sunbursts and the clouds and the asymmetrical rays 18 aren't necessary, but with some possible tweaking and 19 maybe some perspective changes, I think that this 20 could function. 21 22 I think that there's a lot of Perhaps the stars and I was drawn to number 9, obverse 9, because of the fact that we see someone in action and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 110 1 how it relates to the Declaration of Independence. 2 Again, I agree with Christopher's assertion about 3 possibly making the model more -- ambiguous, so to 4 reflect all of America and some modifications with the 5 dress design, but overall, I like this idea of Liberty 6 in action, how it relates to the Declaration of 7 Independence and being inspired by the Declaration of 8 Independence and how it works. 9 the stars, maybe they can be rebalanced around the I also do think that 10 coin overall, but I don't think that they're 11 necessary, the 13 stars, for the overall look of the 12 coin. 13 For the reverse designs, I did like 1 14 and 1A. 15 designs on coins, but I think that this works well if 16 -- particularly since it's emphasizing the elements of 17 the Declaration of Independence, which are necessary 18 reminders for all of us and for the public. 19 I'm not usually a fan of overtly textural I also did like design number 9 as 20 -- for the reverse as well. I think that the shield 21 works. 22 text a bit smaller, but I think it's very dynamic and Perhaps omitting the "Liberty" or making the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 111 1 very appealing in the sense, and I don't feel that the 2 representation of the eagle is too crushed or 3 compacted within the border. 4 For design number 7, reverse number 7, 5 I think it does have some -- I do like the idea of the 6 contrasting hands working around, but when I first saw 7 this design, it took me a while to realize exactly 8 what I was looking at at first. 9 they were eagle feathers or whether there was a scrap I wasn't sure whether 10 of paper, and then I realized, "Oh, this is a hand 11 writing with a quill pen." 12 juxtaposition could also be worked in another reverse 13 design, but there's something about it that also does 14 have some appeal. 15 So perhaps that And I also did like reverse number 3 16 just for the sense of the symmetry, and I like the 17 three stars in the middle and the way that they harken 18 back to the concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit 19 of happiness, which is something that can be 20 reinforced and something that you can use as a 21 conversation point with the coin as well. 22 Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 112 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you very much, Annelisa. 3 Kellen Hoard, if you would, please. 4 MR. HOARD: 5 6 Thank you. This is Kellen Hoard. It's getting to the point now where 7 every meeting, whenever Chris speaks, there's always a 8 portfolio that he and I have the exact same opinions 9 on but -- and -- but he says it much more beautifully 10 than I ever could. 11 Where I landed on this one was I really 12 was not drawn to any of the obverse designs here for a 13 similar reason in that, I think, having spoken with 14 peers and with the public about the change in 2022 15 where they just turned George Washington's head 16 around, that was already of such a sufficient degree 17 that I had people come to me and be confused and 18 scared and -- and uncertain why we would -- we would 19 dare to do such a thing. 20 removing him from the obverse, I think there needs to 21 be really a clear connection to this theme, and I'm 22 not sure any of them currently get there for me. So in order to justify www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 113 1 I -- I mentioned in the dime -- the 2 dime portfolio there were a couple obverse designs 3 which I think would appear much better as a quarter, 4 and I would love to have some of those pulled over in 5 our future meeting to look at for this. 6 think many of them connect better to the Declaration 7 of Independence theme, like dime design 5. 8 pull over some from the platinum proof set. 9 some there that I could be more behind. 10 I actually Or even There's In fact, one of the ones I thought 11 would be kind of interesting, which is from neither of 12 those, is from the Constitution quarter portfolio, the 13 Statue of Liberty obverse over on that side, which 14 we'll see later, so we don't have to pull that up now. 15 That one, I think, ties way better to Declaration of 16 Independence than it does to the Constitution and is 17 an iconic symbol of liberty that I think is accessible 18 to people, and which they -- we could justify as 19 having reason to replace for this anniversary. 20 those were the ones I was drawn to in different 21 portfolios, which I'd like to bring into here, if 22 possible. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 114 1 For the reverse, which I'm more excited 2 about with this particular portfolio, I like the 3 reverse 3, though I think Chris is right, it might be 4 a little inside baseball, but I thought the -- the 5 tieback to the Fugio cent was -- was great, and it 6 fits artistically, there's thematic clarity, visual 7 continuity. 8 9 I also think reverse 7 hasn't gotten enough love. It is really aesthetically pleasing 10 visual symmetry. 11 celebrating and emphasizing the Semiquincentennial to 12 me. 13 simplification, I think it is really emphasizing the 14 fact that this is 250 years, explicitly. 15 It is a -- a stand-out in Even though I think it could use maybe some I think it's going to be another piece 16 in sharing with the public, "Hey, here's why we are 17 revamping something that you have been familiar with 18 for 100 years," not just for the sake of reinvention 19 itself, but actually to celebrate how far we've come, 20 and I think making that explicit with the 250 will be 21 key. 22 So the reverses I think there's some www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 115 1 exciting options; the obverses, I'd like to pull from 2 some different portfolios to make more explicit what 3 we're doing and to capture the Declaration of 4 Independence, specifically, better. 5 last thing here, which is some of the middle designs 6 here, 3, 4, 5, 6, I -- I wasn't a particular fan of 7 those. 8 seductive, and that may just be how it appears on the 9 -- the coin designs here. I want to say one I didn't read it as tired, I read it as 10 Sorry, not those, for the -- I'm sorry. 11 Yeah, 3, 4, 5, and 6 for the obverse here. 12 I read those a little bit differently. 13 differently on a coin, but again, in terms of 14 justifying the replacement of George Washington, I 15 think that's a -- a difficult thing to -- to sell with 16 the public, so I would be in favor of bringing some 17 other ones in. 18 And that's it for me. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 So anyway, It may appear All right. Kellen, thank you very much. 21 Art, if you would, please. 22 MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Arthur www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 116 1 Bernstein, and I would like to add my enthusiasm to 2 obverse 1. 3 I wanted to call attention to the fact that Liberty is 4 holding the document. 5 Declaration of Independence to the coin, and I like 6 the way she is -- that -- that bold stride that is 7 exemplified. 8 really like obverse 1. I -- I think it's a beautiful design, and I thought that ties the I thought it was an action coin, and I 9 When it comes to designs 3 and 4, I 10 guess I put my -- I -- I may have been the one who 11 raised the discussion about hair when we were talking 12 about the dime. 13 category, and -- and I'm not supportive of these 14 designs, which seem to emphasize a woman's hair. 15 -- I think it just draws attention away from the 16 concept of liberty. 17 And I put myself in the anti-hairdo Design number -- obverse 7: I I 18 appreciated the way the -- the edging with the stars 19 around the edge. 20 nicely. 21 flag dress, I find it a little busy, and I -- if we're 22 talking about modifications, I wonder how this coin I thought it sets off the coin The -- the dress that Liberty is wearing, the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 117 1 might appear if her dress were more simple and didn't 2 have the -- the stars and stripes. 3 Lastly, on the obverses, design 9, I 4 -- I would support this design strongly as well. 5 found it to be very eloquent. 6 holding of the quill, I think Annelisa pointed to this 7 as well, action. 8 Declaration of Independence. 9 from the Mint with regard to the clothing design, and The -- the quill, the It shows -- it relates to the There was a question 10 I don't find it distracting. 11 That would be my comments on the obverses. 12 I I think it's elegant. With regard to the reverses, when we 13 look at 1 and 1A, I think there's an opportunity here 14 when we -- throughout the quarter portfolio, as well 15 as maybe the half dollar, to use historical buildings 16 as a consistent carry-through between the different 17 designs, and we've seen -- we will be seeing other 18 buildings in -- in some of the offerings. 19 Continuing with the reverses, I guess I 20 have a technical question with reverse 6, and I'm 21 going to leave this question to those who are more 22 scientific than I. I like this design, but I wondered www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 118 1 about the clapper and gravity. 2 bell, it seems to me that the clapper is defying 3 gravity and is in the wrong direction with the way in 4 which the -- the bell is tilted. 5 know if that was a technical concern of any, but I 6 think the design is attractive. 7 As I looked at the And I -- I didn't With regard to reverse 8, as a graduate 8 of the University of Virginia, I -- I wanted to 9 acknowledge the portrayal of the Founding Fathers. 10 am a graduate of Mr. Jefferson's University, but I'm 11 not -- I find this design to be very busy, and I'm 12 just not sure it would -- it would work. 13 14 That concludes my comments, Mr. Chairman. 15 16 I Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Art, thank you very much. 17 As for my comments, I'll preface this 18 by saying that I have to admit I wasn't particularly 19 thrilled by this portfolio. 20 I do think that number 1 certainly could work. 21 find this to be an attractive design. 22 don't think really will work at all. In terms of the obverses, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I do Number 2 I To me, at first Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 119 1 impression, it seemed that Liberty here was a little 2 strung out and that the Phrygian cap here looks a 3 little too much like a watch cap and that she's just 4 been standing on deck for far too long. 5 Number 3, 4, 5, and 6: To me, they all 6 seem to be very reminiscent of a 19th century Parisian 7 poster artist by the name of Alphonse Mucha, who is a 8 Czech artist and did a great deal of work that looks 9 very much like this. And rather than appearing 10 sleepy, to my eye, the Liberties on many of these 11 obverses appear sultry and perhaps a little too sultry 12 for what we are trying to convey in terms of the 13 -- the dignity of Liberty. 14 7 and 8: Again with 8, I'm not, at 15 this point, particularly fond of the Wonder Woman 16 effect. 17 strength of this design and think that with a little 18 bit more rearranging of the elements, it has potential 19 and possibility. 20 I do think 7 has potential. Number 9: I do see the I'm not fond of this at all, 21 in part because of the mixing of the dress and the 22 bonnet, as Chris noted, but also having spent far too www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 120 1 much time on Zoom over the last several years and 2 looking up people's noses, I'm just not thrilled by 3 this particular prospective. 4 far too cluttered. 5 Number 10 for me is just In terms of the reverses, as Chris 6 noted, there is a potential here for dialogue with the 7 Bicentennial coinage of 1996. 8 did appear on the reverse of the half dollar, and 9 there, it was labeled Independence Hall. And Independence Hall And my 10 concern with 1 and 1A, although there is strength in 11 the design, I think it's going to be lost on a lot of 12 the public what the structure is without an 13 inscription indicating that this is, in fact, 14 Independence Hall. 15 most of the general public as, say, the capital 16 building is. 17 It's not as iconic, I think, to Two, 2A, 3, and 4: Again, to use 18 Chris's comment, they're -- numismatic inside 19 baseball. 20 Two and 2A are -- the eagle here just is a little too 21 reminiscent of those 19th century eagle chickens that 22 seem to appear on things like the seated Liberty. Three, of course is an attractive design. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 121 1 just, you know, while the numismatists, I think, will 2 appreciate it, the general public, I think, again, 3 will be a little bit lost at that. 4 6 I do find to be a strong design, and 5 I would say that of the reverse design candidates, 6 this would be my favorite. 7 there, done that" with the Franklin half dollar. 8 Liberty Bell was prominent on that, and again, this, 9 perhaps, might be a little too reminiscent of that, But again, we have "been 10 although again, I do think that this is a rather 11 strong design. 12 9 and 10, the shields: The This is 13 attractive, but of course, we've had the shield on the 14 penny recently, and I'm not sure if we'd necessarily 15 want to revisit the shield on the quarter for this 16 upcoming program. 17 12A, I think they're going to be totally lost on the 18 public, and I'm not sure if they'll even recognize, 19 you know, what these are and what the symbolic 20 significance of them would be. 21 22 The Ionic column capitals on 12 and And as for the rest, I find them just a little too cluttered, too complicated, or frankly, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 122 1 just too dull. 2 Those are my comments. 3 We are now at 12:40 p.m. I'm sure 4 after this very long morning that we've had in 5 discussion that we are all ready for a little break 6 and some lunch, so we will take a lunch break, and we 7 will reconvene in an hour at 1:45 p.m., when we will 8 discuss the obverse candidate designs for the platinum 9 coin and then any potential sharing of designs between 10 11 12 these portfolios. So enjoy your lunch, enjoy your break, and I will see all of you in an hour, roughly. 13 (Off the record.) 14 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. We are back 15 from lunch, and I want to take a quick roll call of 16 the CCAC members to ensure we still have a quorum, so 17 please say "aye" when I call your name. 18 Mike Moran. 19 MR. MORAN: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 Donald Scarinci. 22 MR. SCARINCI: Present. Thank you. Aye. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 123 1 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 2 John Saunders. 3 MR. SAUNDERS: Present. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 5 Dr. Harcourt Fuller. 6 DR. FULLER: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 Sam Gelberd. 9 MR. GELBERD: Present. Thank you. Present. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 11 Dr. Christopher Capozzola. 12 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. 15 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 Annelisa Purdie. 18 MS. PURDIE: 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 Kellen Hoard. 21 MR. HOARD: 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Aye, aye, Captain. Thank you. Present. Thank you. Present. Thank you. Present. Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 124 1 MR. BERNSTEIN: 2 THE CHAIRMAN: 3 And I am here as well, Dr. Peter van 4 5 Alfen. Present and aye. Thank you. Thank you. So we have a quorum, and we will now 6 continue with the discussion of the 2026 7 Semiquincentennial quarter and the 2026 platinum 8 American Eagle proof coin, both commemorating the 9 Declaration of Independence. 10 So before our lunch break, we were 11 considering the designs for the 2026 12 Semiquincentennial quarter designs, and now let us 13 consider the designs for the 2026 platinum American 14 Eagle proof coin in light of our previous discussion 15 on the quarter designs. 16 So as you are discussing the platinum 17 designs, if there are any of the quarter designs that 18 you feel might be appropriate for the platinum coin, 19 this would be a good time to indicate that as well as 20 you're making your comments on the design portfolio 21 for the platinum coin. 22 please try to keep your comments to five minutes or And again, if at all possible, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 125 1 less. 2 3 And we will start with Arthur Bernstein, if you would, please. 4 MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Arthur 5 Bernstein, and with regard to the platinum coins, 6 design 1 and 1A, I -- it took me a while to figure out 7 what that meandering quill was doing, and I -- I just 8 -- I didn't find it compelling. 9 around almost in the shape of a tornado. 10 The quill twisted I did like designs 3 and 3A, although I 11 found the calligraphy to be a little overly 12 decorative, maybe a little overly ornate, and hard to 13 read. 14 wanting us to be citizens, not subjects, was 15 important, but I found that the calligraphy was 16 distracting. I thought the story about Thomas Jefferson and 17 Design 4 I found very intriguing. It's 18 quite unusual. It's extremely modern, but it caught 19 my eye, and I was particularly entranced by the -- the 20 rubble at the bottom of the carving, the -- the pieces 21 of loose rock that came out when Liberty was carving 22 the word "Liberty" into the stone, and I found that www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 126 1 design to be appealing. 2 3 That concludes my comments, Mr. Chairman. 4 5 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you very much, Art. 6 Kellen Hoard, if you would, please. 7 MR. HOARD: 8 So a couple of the designs stood out to 9 me here. Sure. Thank you. Design 2 I -- I thought was really kind of 10 interesting. I would almost prefer one without the 11 stars. 12 than they need to, and actually having the stars 13 removed I think would be kind of an interesting space 14 with -- you know, negative space over in this upper 15 right quadrant. I feel they end up cluttering the space more 16 But it's still kind of, I just thought, 17 a really compelling, interesting design which 18 well-captures this Declaration of Independence theme 19 almost better than any of the other ones while still 20 being engaging. 21 22 I could also get behind 5A. I just thought that was another one that was really kind of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 127 1 compelling. 2 ones we've seen with regard to Declaration of 3 Independence previously in the platinum series, and I 4 also just really enjoyed it, though I did think it was 5 a little bit busy. 6 It was different than some of the other And if you really pushed me and you 7 said, "Kellen, down in your heart of hearts, what do 8 you actually -- you know, where could we get you to 9 go?" you could get me to 3A as well, which is one that 10 I initially kind of shied away from. 11 platinum series is a really great opportunity to 12 actually push for with this artistic vision a little 13 bit and do things we haven't done before. 14 But I think the Especially because the Declaration of 15 Independence has been featured in different forms and 16 formats on the platinum series before, this is an 17 opportunity to do something entirely new and actually 18 set this series apart from the older one, and so I 19 feel this would do it quite well, even though it is 20 definitely a little out there for my taste. 21 -- if the committee liked it, I could -- I could find 22 myself coming around to it. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 But if Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 128 1 2 And that's all I have to say. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. 3 4 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Kellen, thank you very much. 5 Annelisa Purdie, if you would, please. 6 MS. PURDIE: 7 This is Annelisa Purdie. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Of all the 8 collections of portfolios, I have to say that these 9 for the platinum proof coin were some of my least 10 favorite. I was expecting some slightly more dynamic 11 designs for the Declaration -- virtual connectivity 12 interruption -- some of these could be worked on 13 possibly, but there were none that really stood out to 14 me that made me say, "Yes, yes." 15 that have some potential. 16 But there were a few I also do like the design of 3A. I 17 think that this is one of the few examples where the 18 "From Subjects to Citizens" line actually does work, 19 possibly changing the font from this very -- although 20 it's very dynamic, I like the shadows -- this sort of 21 gothic style to something that may fit a little easier 22 on the coin. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 129 1 But I like the way that the quill is 2 connected with the message and the way that it's 3 connected with the paper. 4 crowded. 5 and see it as a standout as well. It doesn't feel very So I could definitely see this one going on 6 And 5A was another one that I see the 7 potential with. The only caveat I have with this one 8 is, again, the position of the stars. 9 the purpose for their inclusion, but the way that they I understand 10 fit around the hand does come off as a bit too 11 cluttered. 12 it could be, perhaps repositioning it somewhere so 13 that it's prominent or changing the composition. 14 the details on this one are beautiful, and I think 15 that it really emphasizes the physical writing of this 16 document and how important it is to our country. Also, the "2026" isn't quite as visible as 17 And that's all I have. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: 19 22 Thank you. All right. Thank you very much, Annelisa. 20 21 But Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, if you would, please. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Thank you, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 130 1 Mr. Chairman. 2 This is Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. I am 3 going -- virtual connectivity interruption -- to go 4 back to -- 1, design 1, obverse. 5 MS. WARREN: 6 turn off your camera. 7 bit. 8 9 Thank you. Jeanne, you might want to It's breaking up just a little MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Okay. Is that -- is that better I hope? 10 MS. WARREN: 11 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. Yes. Thank you. 12 13 14 15 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: All right. I -- thank you. I liked the concept of 1 and 1A, and I 16 think that, although it's a little complicated 17 -- virtual connectivity interruption -- with my 18 colleague that it looks like a tornado kind of thing, 19 but it seems to me this could maybe work if it were a 20 little -- you know, if we didn't have these lines 21 going out from the -- the point of the inkwell. 22 know, if -- if those lines were omitted, maybe this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 You Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 131 1 would maybe work, but I -- I liked the very fact that 2 it had "Declaration of Independence" on 1A. 3 -- I think this could possibly be a candidate. 4 I think I also liked -- and I agree with 5 Annelisa with candidate 3, is it? 6 think are very good. 7 "citizens" could be maybe toned down a bit and would 8 choose a different style. 9 Yes, 3. 3 and 3A I However, we have -- the font on And lastly, I think that the 10 possibility would be for 5, yes, 5, which is a 11 thoughtful piece that does speak directly to the 12 declaration. 13 could be a -- maybe a little bit more simple, but "all 14 men are created equal" I think was -- it's nice to 15 have on -- 16 17 Thank you very much. THE CHAIRMAN: 22 All right. Jeanne, thank you very much. 20 21 It So those are my choices. Mr. Chairman. 18 19 And I -- I think this is simple. Dr. Chris Capozzola, if you would, please. DR. CAPOZZOLA: Sure thing. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 This is Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 132 1 Chris Capozzola. Good afternoon. 2 For me, what you get to do with a 3 platinum proof that you don't with a circulating 4 quarter is you can have a great deal more detail and 5 you might also be able to sort of work with the 6 history of coinage at a -- at a greater level. 7 that's sort of shaped me here. 8 9 I think -- I'll speak to 2. number 2 is the -- is the safe bet. So I think You know, it's 10 sort of -- it works. 11 but it would be, you know, quite familiar. 12 with Kellen that we could eliminate the stars. 13 think that the ocean motif mentioned in the 14 description will probably not resonate with people 15 unless they're really looking very carefully or know 16 what to look for. 17 very solid option. 18 It's a little bit innovative, I agree I also But it's certainly, you know, a I think the breakout option is -- is 19 3A. That -- again, this, you know, sort of looks like 20 it was -- it is -- you know, looks like a 2026 coin. 21 I think it depicts the document itself, and -- which 22 is why it's better than 3. I share the -- the concern www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 133 1 about the font on "citizens," and I think it could 2 easily be the font used in -- in the Declaration of 3 Independence, you know, sort of what's called the 4 "engrossed copy," and which is the one that everybody 5 -- the font that people know when they think about the 6 Declaration of Independence. 7 very strong. 8 9 So I thought those were I think, you know, again, 5 is a very safe choice or -- and I -- I think I do like the idea 10 of "All men are created equal." 11 -- that really resonates. 12 and 3A over 5A if I had a choice. It's a phrase that But I think I would pick 2 13 Thank you very much. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 All right. Thank you very much, Chris. 16 Sam Gelberd, if you would, please. 17 MR. GELBERD: 18 This is Sam Gelberd. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would prefer to 19 see some better designs for the platinum proof, to be 20 honest. 21 layout of 1 and 1A. 22 layout is just very well balanced. But with that being said, I do like the 1A is -- just think the overall And it may look www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 134 1 like a tornado to some, but it was a very turbulent 2 time, so with that being said, I do like 1A -- 3 Design 2: It's also pretty nice. 4 a lot of design elements, but I don't think it's 5 terribly or overtly busy for a platinum proof. 6 think it would translate pretty well for this 7 particular program. 8 work with some redesigns. 9 of my other colleagues. Designs 3 and 3A: It's I They might Again, I do agree with some The font does read a little 10 bit difficult, but it is interesting the way it -- it 11 flows, especially the quill going right into the word 12 "Citizen," so I could live with that if the rest of 13 the committee did decide that way. 14 With number 4, it's a very interesting 15 modern take, and I'm not entirely opposed to it, I 16 just don't know if it is the best selection for this 17 particular program. 18 -- of the word "Liberty," and yes, with the little 19 chunks of rubble down at the bottom, excellent 20 symbolism as we're carving out in our nation's 21 freedom. 22 My favorite thing is the font in Design 5 and 5A: They're okay. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 135 1 could live with them. 2 little weird to me. 3 thumb. 4 biggest fan of it. 5 -- the building stages of our democracy. 6 symbolism there, not a problem, but I think it misses 7 the mark a bit, along with design 7. 8 exactly what I think -- for us for a platinum coin. 9 10 Just anatomically, it reads a Just -- I couldn't get past the I'm not sure why. I tried, I'm just not the 6 is okay. It's interesting, the I get the Also, just not And that's all I have to say about that. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, if you would, 13 Great. Thank you, Sam. please. 14 DR. FULLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 15 Can we go to 1, please? 16 I actually like 1 and 1A. The way how 17 I read it is that, you know, the -- the sun is -- is 18 breaking through or shining through the dark clouds, 19 right, the dark clouds of -- of, you know, 20 colonialism, you know, of -- of the British monarchy, 21 and this new nation is shining through; right? 22 you have a little bit of darkness, but you -- but you www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And so Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 136 1 have an emerging or an emergent light. 2 And I -- I see the feather of the pen 3 sort of encapsulating that -- that brighter future 4 that is to come. 5 -- I -- some of the other elements, like the lines at 6 the -- sort of at the bottom of -- of the -- pen, I'm 7 not a big fan of that, but I -- but I -- I get the 8 symbolism, and I think that this coin has a lot of 9 potential. And that's kind of how I read it. 10 Let's go to 5, please. 11 I think this is a safe coin. I I -- I do 12 like the fact that it focuses on both the pen and the 13 hand that's wielding the pen. 14 -- I know there was a comment about the stars. 15 don't really bother me that much, but I -- I think it 16 -- this just centers your eyes on the drafting of 17 -- of this -- this document. 18 It's not very busy. I They I do have to say, though, and I know 19 that this is a historical phrase, "All men are created 20 equal," I think that if we're talking about our 21 current generation, our current time, 2026 and beyond, 22 you know, this is the part of history where -- one of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 137 1 the great things about -- about history, right, and 2 about our societies that we question some of the ideas 3 and the ideology from this -- this time of 4 independence and beyond; right? 5 What does it mean in 2026 when we say 6 "All men are created equal," emphasis on "men," at a 7 time when we've gone through, you know, over a century 8 of -- you know, of suffrage and when, of course, we're 9 having conversations about all different kinds of 10 equality: Gender equality, et cetera. And so I'm 11 just kind of throwing it out there as far as what 12 -- how relevant is that when we've kind of moved on 13 from centering our Liberty on -- on males? 14 Let's see 7, please. 15 When I look at this, I think it's too 16 busy. In fact, one possible reading of it with the 17 crown is that it is actually promoting the monarchy; 18 you know, but just because it's there; right? 19 it requires you to sort of analyze and dissect, you 20 know, even though it seems like it's -- it's moving 21 away from the British monarchy, but it just -- the 22 -- the crown there, to me, is -- it's almost like it www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Because Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 138 1 -- it's promoting it. I know that's not the intent or 2 the intention of the artist, but -- but that's kind of 3 -- I think that's one possible interpretation of it, 4 which is not what we're trying to go for. 5 Those are my comments. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 Thank you. All right. Thank you, Dr. Fuller. 8 John Saunders, if you would, please. 9 MR. SAUNDERS: 10 Thank you, Peter. John Saunders here. On looking at the 11 designs, my favorite was 4 with a couple "buts" on it. 12 I don't like the face of Liberty at all, the way it 13 -- it kind of comes down in their eyes, and I mean, to 14 my mind, you'd have to redesign the face of it. 15 also don't like the font of "2026," particularly the 16 six. 17 But with -- with those two exceptions, that was 18 -- that was my favorite. 19 beautiful full-color poster. 20 coin. 21 the stars. 22 I It looks like -- more like a -- a weird G to me. 2 would be okay. 1, 1A I think would make a I don't see it as a Again, I prefer it without As a general comment to the Mint, which www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 139 1 was looking for feedback, I think maybe a lot of 2 designs try to get too much stuff in. 3 bit less stuff is -- is good. 4 Maybe a little I think 3A would be fine with the same 5 comment that we've heard before about the font. 6 don't particularly like a cursive on a coin. 7 -- I'd go to some sort of box letters for the whole 8 thing. 9 as well. 10 I'd I think 5 or 5A would be perfectly acceptable Again, I would prefer without the stars, but, you know, they're not horrible. 11 I thought 6 was kind of boring, quite 12 honestly. 13 I didn't like it at all. 14 I And 7, well, I guess I get the symbolism. What I really like best -- And I don't know whether, Peter, we're 15 supposed to be talking about it now or you want to 16 talk about it afterwards. 17 I would like to go back to some of the 18 quarter obverse designs better than any of these. 19 like 3 of the quarter design for the platinum coin. 20 think the -- the swirling hair would really show up on 21 a bigger coin that you have here. 22 quarter design 7 would be good. I also think I don't like what www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 140 1 -- I'm not quite sure what it is. 2 drapery or something coming off of behind her head 3 that goes between "In God We Trust" and the lady's 4 standing Liberty figure. 5 but I think that's nice. 6 It's a -- it's a I'd get rid of the drapery, And again, I supported design 1 7 wholeheartedly for the quarter, but if for -- and I 8 think it had general support, which to the extent if 9 for some reason we don't use -- use it on the quarter, 10 I think it's such a dynamic design that we can use it 11 on the platinum instead. 12 So those are my -- my main comments, 13 but I -- I would like to see 4 redesigned with a 14 different face on Liberty and a different font on 15 "2026." 16 17 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. John, thank you very much. 18 Donald Scarinci, if you would, please. 19 MR. SCARINCI: This is actually my 20 favorite series of United States coins. 21 think -- so starting with the hands, 5 and 5A, you 22 know, I think -- I think I prefer 5 to 5A because it's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 You know, I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 141 1 less busy, and even in 5, I would eliminate the stars. 2 I mean, there seems to be an obsession with, you know, 3 hair, things on people's heads, and stars, right, in 4 this whole portfolio. 5 So you know, maybe I'm just missing 6 -- I'm just not understanding it, right, which is 7 probably the case. 8 -- than what we're used to seeing. 9 know, I agree with -- I think it was Harcourt who So this is very different art and You know, I -- you 10 said, you know, we're -- this -- this is actually a 11 "one of." 12 -- so this is a good opportunity to do something a 13 little different and special. It's -- it's in between series, I think, so 14 3, as between 3 and 3A, my preference, 15 again is 3A. You know, I think -- I think I prefer 16 the -- you know, the -- the parchment with the quill 17 as opposed to the bell and the quill, which are two 18 unrelated items. 19 -- you know, I think -- I -- I -- you know, I think 20 we're -- I think it makes a very interesting 21 statement, I'm just not sure if the statement is 22 "subject to citizens" or some other way of saying The -- the -- and I'm not sure about www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 142 1 that. So, but again, I don't -- I don't want to, you 2 know, design the coin. 3 As between 1 and 1A, again, I prefer 1A 4 because it's cleaner. It's -- you know, it's -- it's 5 cleaner. 6 didn't just write and think our way, you know, into 7 -- into independence. 8 we kind of fought our way through it. 9 -- and -- and as the Declaration was being written, And you know, we did kind of -- you know, we You know, we -- we -- you know, But you know, 10 people were dying, and people were fighting, and the 11 colonies were communicating. 12 So you know, again, I can't say I'm 13 -- I'm wild about any of these designs, and I -- but I 14 -- you know, but -- but that could be more for my 15 -- because of my lack of understanding and the fact 16 that it's so very different, you know, than anything 17 in the platinum coin series so far. 18 done some very novel things with that series, very 19 symbolic things, you know. 20 And I think we've This -- so -- so this is certainly a 21 place to try out art, certainly, you know, certainly, 22 for those of you who have said that you're concerned www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 143 1 about the circulating coins going to the public, you 2 know, and moving change, you know, that rapidly, you 3 know, this is -- this is a series, you know, that 4 doesn't circulate, it's collected, and -- and you 5 know, so these types of series of coins are where we 6 should be experimenting and exploring and thinking 7 outside of the box and doing different and unique 8 things. So this portfolio does achieve that for sure. 9 10 THE CHAIRMAN: Mike Moran, if you would, please. You're muted. 13 14 Donald, thank you very much. 11 12 All right. MR. MORAN: Still? No, I should be good now. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 MR. MORAN: There you go. Okay. This is Mike Moran. 17 After listening to everybody, I've -- I've got a lot 18 to choose from here. 19 got the second one, which is starry nights, and then 20 the third one, I have to admit, I've got my own name 21 for it, because when I looked at it the first time, I 22 thought, "Good Lord, that looks like a token you'd get I've got the tornado coin, I've www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 144 1 tossed off of a float in the Mardi Gras parade." 2 it's the bell and the -- the plume and the way the 3 quill is stylized there that really does that for me. 4 And 5 is a safe one, and I really suspect 5 that what we'll end up doing is going back to the 6 quarter designs and picking a -- a runner-up there for 7 -- for this one, because this is -- there's just 8 -- there's nothing more than just safe designs here 9 for me. 10 That's it. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 13 All right. Mike, thank you very much. As for my own comments, I have to say I 14 agree with Annelisa that this is probably my least 15 favorite portfolio that we've looked at to date, just 16 too many quills and too much parchment for my taste. 17 And I mean, I understand the necessity of it, I 18 understand the reference, but nothing here really just 19 struck a chord with me. 20 And there is a certain beauty and 21 elegance I certainly understand to 1 and 1A, but 22 again, as many of my colleagues have noted, there are www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 145 1 quirks in this design that are a little difficult for 2 me to get over. 3 again with some modification of the gothic -- or the 4 font there. 5 really didn't -- just didn't resonate with me at all. 6 3 or 3A for me could possibly work, And the rest of them, frankly, just We do have now roughly half an hour 7 before the time for our break, and what I would like 8 to do is now have a discussion about this series, the 9 platinum coin series, in light of the quarter series 10 as well, and to discuss possibility of bringing 11 designs from one portfolio to another. 12 And also, I would like to remind 13 everybody, as April mentioned at the beginning of the 14 discussion, that for the platinum coin, this is the 15 first coin in a series of three that will be looking 16 at the founding documents. 17 comments, in this case, do keep in mind the fact that 18 this is the first coin of three in a series, and be 19 thinking about how, potentially, each of those three 20 coins in the series looking at documents, again a lot 21 of parchment and quills, you know, might all be 22 related to one another. So as you make your www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 146 1 So I'm happy to just open up the 2 discussion here, if anybody wants to raise their hands 3 and just make comments, then, about this. 4 Donald, I see your hand is raised. 5 MR. SCARINCI: Yeah, I think, you know, 6 Peter, you hit on something that, you know, I think 7 -- you know -- you know, we have in the past 8 considered the entire series as a whole to see what 9 it's going to look like. And you know -- and in fact, 10 you know, the -- the -- when we did that last, you 11 know it -- it resulted in -- you know, in -- you know, 12 in -- in a really nice miniseries. 13 These are -- these platinum coins, you 14 know, as -- as we all know, right are collected this 15 way. 16 series from the beginning, but they're also collected 17 as miniseries; right? 18 collected as miniseries, making them more affordable 19 as a collection and still very interesting. 20 They're collected not necessarily as an entire And -- and they can be So I wonder if it's possible for us to 21 really see this portfolio, you know, see the -- see 22 all three coins in the series and get an artist vision www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 147 1 -- get -- get an artist's vision for what the series 2 of three coins would look like, and I -- I don't know 3 if that's possible within the timeframe, you know, but 4 I would love to hear from -- I guess from April. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Yeah, and there she is. 6 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: April, if you wouldn't 8 9 mind answering that question. MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. Absolutely. 10 That -- that is -- and I apologize if I didn't make 11 that very clear in some of the -- the leadup to the 12 background of this program. 13 hopefully have a subset of designs identified by the 14 committee today that you feel are strong or with 15 changes might be strong options, have potential to be 16 strong options, for the platinum proof year one. 17 then we would work with those artists to also develop 18 options for year two and year three, so you would see 19 how they would work together. 20 But yes, our plan is to And And so, even if we have -- you see a 21 certain something in a particular design, but -- you 22 know, we can absolutely go back and revise it, but www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 148 1 then we would work with that artist, engage with that 2 artist or a couple of the other artists that you 3 identified, to build out the series, and therefore 4 we'd be bringing back a smaller portfolio, maybe three 5 or four artists, but you would see their concept 6 across the three coin designs of how they would 7 differentiate, you know, from year one, Declaration of 8 Independence, to year two, Constitution, to year 9 three, Bill of Rights, so you could see what -- what 10 that might look like, if that -- if that makes sense. 11 12 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you, April. 13 Any other comments? 14 John Saunders, your hand is raised. 15 MR. SAUNDERS: Yes, I wanted to comment 16 on number 5, something Annelisa said. 17 the date needs to be bolder here, if it's in the same 18 place or maybe it's repositioned or something like 19 that, but it -- it almost fades out and it's a really 20 important feature. 21 22 I -- I think The other thing I think we might want to think about, and this is for the -- excuse me, for www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 149 1 the Declaration of Independence, which happened in 2 1776. 3 was later. 4 anniversary, not just of the -- American independence, 5 but of the Declaration of Independence, so this one, 6 we might want to put 1776, hyphen, 1926, like we did 7 on the circulating coins. I mean, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights 8 9 So this one, it's actually the 250th And I kind of said my thoughts. I'd sure love to see some of the quarter designs here even 10 more than the designs for the platinum, I think. 11 Again, I think quarter design 1 is so lovely we have 12 to use it somewhere, hopefully at the quarter, but if 13 not, here, and -- 14 15 THE CHAIRMAN: you. John, sorry to interrupt You mean obverse design 1 in the quarter series? 16 MR. SAUNDERS: Yes -- yes. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. 18 MR. SAUNDERS: For the -- for the Yeah. 19 quarter. And 3 and 7, I think, would be good. 20 Possibly even something with 8. 21 Don said, if we're going to be experimental, the 22 platinum is the coin to be experimental on rather than I mean, if we -- as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 150 1 the quarter. 2 And so I -- I would like for us to 3 seriously consider some of the quarter designs, which 4 I think were more innovative than the designs we have 5 for the platinum. 6 think, you know, 5 with the date a little bit more 7 prominent and maybe the stars gone would certainly be 8 acceptable. 9 But if we do with the platinum, I THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, John. 10 And just to be clear, you were suggesting that from 11 the quarter portfolio that obverse 1, 5, was it, and 8 12 might be considered for the platinum series; is that 13 correct? 14 MR. SAUNDERS: Right, if we don't use 1 15 on -- on the quarter. 16 quarter. 17 thought, I thought, "Possibly even 8." 18 19 Hopefully, we do use it on the And it would be 1, 3, 7, and then, on second THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. All right. you. 20 April, your hand is raised. 21 MS. STAFFORD: 22 Thank I just wanted to clarify with you, Mr. Saunders, those were all from the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 151 1 quarter obverses? 2 MR. SAUNDERS: Yes. 3 MS. STAFFORD: Did you -- were there 4 any reverses in the quarter portfolio that you 5 -- might be appropriate for the platinum? 6 wanted to confirm. 7 MR. SAUNDERS: Yeah. I just I didn't get as 8 excited about the reverses as I did the obverses, 9 quite honestly. You know, reverse 8, which is -- we 10 kind of kicked out for being too busy, could work on a 11 larger coin, but I -- I like the obverse designs 12 better. 13 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 15 Chris Capozzola, your hand is raised. 16 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Hi. Thank you. This is Chris. 17 think this is for -- for April and others, that I 18 think -- having spoken against reverse 3 on the 19 quarters for the circulating quarter as quote, 20 unquote, inside baseball, I do think, you know, 3 or 21 4, but particularly 3, could be compelling for the 22 platinum proof coin. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 152 1 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 3 Thank you. Thank you very much. 4 Anyone else? 5 Sam Gelberd, your hand is raised. 6 MR. GELBERD: Yes, Peter. Yeah, I just 7 wanted to add, since we're talking about the 8 Declaration quarter designs as potential platinum 9 designs, I still just want to reiterate that obverse 10 10, I think -- very powerful, very dynamic. 11 that might translate well to a platinum proof. 12 all. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 Any other comments? 15 All right. 16 All right. I think That's Thank you. I don't see or hear any other comments. 17 I would like to ask April, since we do 18 have a few moments, if she would like clarification on 19 any of the comments that were made previously about 20 either the quarter portfolio or the platinum 21 portfolio. 22 MS. STAFFORD: Just in -- I believe www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 153 1 that there are a few designs in the current platinum 2 portfolio, or two or three at least, that I'm hearing 3 the committee would be open to seeing what the artists 4 would do for years two and three; is that -- is that 5 accurate? 6 conversation around 3 and 3A, design 5. 7 if 1 and 1A would be in that -- in that category. 8 certainly, I -- we can also consult the score sheets 9 to get a feel for that as well. 10 I know that there was some, you know, THE CHAIRMAN: Yeah. I don't know But That was my 11 understanding as well, that 3 and 3A and 5 and 5A 12 received a fair amount of comments and enthusiasm, 1 13 and 1A a little bit less so, and then the remaining 14 designs in the portfolio -- and 2, also, I believe 15 also had some commentary. 16 Kellen, your hand was raised. 17 MR. HOARD: Sorry, I was also going to 18 raise -- raise 2 there, Peter. 19 couple different comments about that one, and I -- I 20 liked it as well. 21 artist had in mind for the other parts of the series. 22 I -- I had heard a I'd be anxious to see what the THE CHAIRMAN: All right. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you. Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 154 1 Annelisa, your hand is raised. 2 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 3 This is Annelisa Purdie. 4 more from number 4, the design of Ms. Liberty with her 5 chisel. 6 of my favorites, but I don't dislike it. 7 other ones in the series and what the artist is going 8 for with the progression, I would be interested in 9 hearing more from. 10 11 12 I would be willing to see There's something -- I don't -- it wasn't one THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Seeing the Thanks very much. All right. Are there any other 13 questions or comments about either one of these two 14 portfolios at this time? 15 All right. Well, at this point, then, 16 what I would suggest is that we score the portfolios, 17 both the obverse and reverse candidate designs for the 18 2026 Semiquincentennial quarter, commemorating the 19 Declaration of Independence, and the portfolio for the 20 candidate designs of the 2026 platinum American Eagle 21 proof coin, which also is celebrating the Declaration 22 of Independence. And if you could, then, please www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 155 1 email, if you are able to do so, the score sheets to 2 Greg Weinman, CCAC counsel, he will tally those scores 3 and present them to us tomorrow morning. 4 5 Arthur, I think I saw your hand raised briefly for a moment. 6 Did you have a question? MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes, I -- yes, this is 7 Arthur Bernstein. 8 relating to what you just mentioned. 9 It was a technical question Greg, do you want these as separate 10 emails? Does it matter? 11 which we should transmit these? 12 What -- what is the way in MR. WEINMAN: No, a single email is 13 fine. I just -- because I -- I will -- I'll break out 14 the forms. 15 next to me, and I'm going to need to -- it helps me 16 create a printer record. I just need to have a -- I have a printer 17 And Peter are we -- are -- I know we're 18 reporting all the -- all the Semiquincentennial scores 19 tomorrow. 20 then? Does that include the platinum as well, 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Yeah, we'll present those as well. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 156 1 MR. WEINMAN: Okay. We'll deal with 2 -- we'll deal with all that tomorrow. 3 So yes. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 MR. WEINMAN: 6 Yeah, so just send me -- send me 7 Okay. Yeah, we will. Wonderful. emails. 8 9 Yeah. Got it. THE CHAIRMAN: moment, we are at 2:26 p.m. Okay. And at the We're a bit ahead of 10 schedule. I would suggest that we take a break until 11 2:40 p.m., and we will reconvene and continue on with 12 our order of business. 13 14 minutes. All right. So I will see you in roughly Thank you. 14 (Off the record.) 15 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. So we are 16 back from our break, and we now move on to the last 17 order of business for today. 18 the second of five quarters for 2026. 19 will present the candidate designs for the obverse and 20 reverse of the 2026 Semiquincentennial quarter 21 commemorating the Constitution. 22 We will be considering April, all yours. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 April Stafford Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 157 1 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. 2 The Constitution of the United States 3 is the charter drafted and approved by the 4 Constitutional Convention in 1787 to replace the 5 Articles of Confederation. 6 ratified by the states in 1788 and took effect in 7 March 1789, after the first federal election selected 8 the representatives to serve in the U.S. House of 9 Representatives, the Senators to serve in the U.S. The Constitution was 10 Senate, and George Washington as the first president 11 selected by the Electoral College. 12 The U.S. Constitution is the world's 13 oldest written national government charter still in 14 operation. 15 the American people are the source of sovereignty for 16 the nation, distinguishing it from the 18th century 17 nations that base sovereignty on the divine right of 18 kings. 19 The Constitution's preamble declares that "We, the people," the founders 20 declared, "established this Constitution to form a 21 more perfect union." 22 fundamental rights, the Constitution also separated To protect liberty and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 158 1 government powers among the executive, judicial, and 2 legislative branch -- branches to provide checks and 3 balances to prevent one branch from assuming unlimited 4 authority. 5 The articles of the Constitution also 6 described a federal system where -- which -- where 7 defined powers are ascribed to the federal government, 8 but other powers remain with the states, or the 9 people, providing another level of separation and 10 balance in the distribution of governmental authority 11 and power over the nation. 12 Obverse designs for this quarter 13 feature Liberty. The reverse will commemorate the 14 U.S. Constitution and its ratification as a critical 15 inflection point in our nation's history, a point at 16 which the founders made practical the values and 17 aspirations expressed in the Declaration of 18 Independence. 19 This framework, the United States 20 Constitution, that depends on the consent of the 21 governed, has three distinct branches of government 22 with the revolutionary idea of checks and balances and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 159 1 power and authority distributed broadly, and it marked 2 a momentous shift for Americans and the world. 3 Constitution established a mechanism through which 4 Americans could revisit, reassert, and reaffirm our 5 principles of liberty and freedom that our country was 6 founded upon. 7 The So obverses, we'll start with obverse 8 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. 9 reverse 1, 1A, 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5, 5A, 6, 7, 8, 8A, 9, 10, 10 and 11. 11 12 13 For reverses we have And that concludes the candidate designs. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much, April. Are there any technical or legal 14 questions from the committee about this program or the 15 designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial quarter 16 commemorating the Constitution before we begin our 17 general discussion? 18 All right. I don't hear or see any, so 19 let's begin our consideration. And again, as always, 20 I'd like to remind the members to please keep your 21 comments to five minutes or less and identify yourself 22 prior to speaking. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 160 1 2 And let us begin with Annelisa Purdie, if you would, please. 3 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 4 This is Annelisa Purdie. I'd like to 5 start with the reverse designs. These are the ones 6 that I looked at first. 7 is actually design number 6. 8 really just like the concept of "We the People" in 9 thinking about the past but also the present and the My preference for the reverse This one, in general, I 10 future, and I think that this theme overall represents 11 this idea of the nation, of the people, by the people, 12 for the people, and the fact that we all have a stake 13 in our country as set out in the Constitution. 14 The only concern that I have with this 15 design is the shadow work in the way that the hands 16 are meeting the "We the People" element, but I was 17 really drawn to this idea. 18 like that sort of idea of people holding this up 19 outside of stone. 20 It looks like stone, and I I also like design number 5A for the 21 reverse. Again, I'm starting to think ideas about 22 this one, the "in order to form a more perfect" on the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 161 1 back of the quarter, specifically, versus some other 2 coins, even though there's still some -- still some 3 concerns about the overuse of text, I think I'm still 4 -- design. 5 I really like this one. For the obverse designs, again, nothing 6 really that stood out to me where I said, "This is 7 something that I really want to put there," but I do 8 think that they all have some level of merit. 9 that I like the most is obverse design 2, mainly The one 10 because of the construction showing the actual laying 11 of the foundation in terms of bricks versus chiseling. 12 I feel like we've been seeing a lot of chiseling 13 activity with different coin designs lately. 14 the idea of tying it with stone masonry and actually 15 working to build up this republic. 16 I like For designs 7, 8, and 9, in particular, 17 I think that these all -- I would like to see these 18 revisited in some way. 19 about each of these three that could be worked on, but 20 as they are now, with number 9, in particular, the 21 spacing of the letters is just throwing me off a bit. 22 There are certain elements Also, with number 7, I like the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 162 1 concept. 2 1776 to 2026 in her hair itself. 3 appreciate -- I'm really excited to see a different 4 representation -- on the design with this coin, but 5 not the way that the year is -- the position, you 6 know, I think takes away from the dynamism of the 7 design itself. 8 9 I am not crazy about the idea of putting the You know, I Same thing with number 8. the potential in this. I can see Not sure about the Liberty in 10 the diadem so much, perhaps if it could be placed on 11 another part of the coin. 12 positioning of the bust and the expression here as 13 well. But overall, I like the 14 And those are my comments. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, Annelisa. 17 John Saunders, if you would, please. 18 MR. SAUNDERS: 19 Going through these, I liked obverse 1 Thank you, Peter. 20 best. It gives an impression about how hard it was to 21 come up with the Constitution. 22 states fought over this for a -- a long time, and it We -- the -- the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 163 1 damn near didn't happen. 2 together, it was kind of like chiseling stone to do 3 it, and I think it's a good depiction of Liberty. 4 think the design works for a quarter-size coin. 5 don't think it's too busy. 6 To -- to get everybody I I I like it. 2 I didn't like as much, but it isn't 7 bad. I didn't like it as much. 8 experimental, a little interesting. 9 whether I -- I liked it a little bit or hated it, so I 10 went on. 11 there. 12 of -- of Liberty. 3 is kind of I couldn't decide 4, I didn't particularly like the design I don't like the full -- full body depiction 13 She's awfully well-endowed. Going on to 5 -- 5 and 6, I did not 14 like the expression on Liberty, on either one of them. 15 She's -- maybe she's supposed to be looking serious, 16 but it -- it looked like she was almost disappointed, 17 and -- and so forth. 18 think I'd like to support it, but I -- I find it kind 19 of an interesting different. 20 7 is interesting. I -- I don't 8 is not a bad design, but it looks 21 like -- an awful lot like one of the commemorative of 22 first ladies. It seems like I've seen that design www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 164 1 before. I don't know whether it was Dolley Madison, 2 or one of them was -- was very close to that. 3 is -- I think it's -- it's a little bit of a -- of a 4 powerful design, too. 5 artistic merit. 6 but I'm -- I'm still in favor of -- of 1. 7 The O9 I -- it's different, certainly I -- I kind of -- kind of like O9, In terms of reverses, I wasn't 8 tremendously excited about anything on the reverse, 9 quite honestly. I like 5 or -- or 5A if we don't use 10 that design on one of the other coins we've looked at 11 where we have the Independence Hall, and I also like 12 6. 13 interesting design. 14 I mean, I -- I think that -- that is an 1 is okay. 1 and 1A are okay. Struck 15 me as a little bit boring. 16 the hell was going on with 2. 17 there, but it's -- 3, again, is -- is okay, but a 18 little bit on the boring side, I thought. 19 are kind of interesting. 20 what everybody else thinks of those guys. 21 22 I -- I wasn't sure what Excuse my language 4 and 4A Kind of interested to see 7, I felt kind of boring, and all the versions of 8 are -- didn't jump out at me at all, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 165 1 including 8A and 9 and 10. And 11 is, again, the 2 chiseling theme, but I thought the action picture in 1 3 was just much better than 11, if we're going to go 4 with that -- that theme, I guess 1, 1 on the obverse. 5 So I've kind of rambled around here, 6 but my -- my preference again is 1 on the -- on the 7 obverse with the possible exception of doing 9, and on 8 the reverse, 5 or 6 were the ones that impressed me. 9 Make -- 4, 5, and 6. 10 there. 11 12 Let me -- let me include 4 on THE CHAIRMAN: All right. John, thank you very much. 13 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman -- please. 14 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 15 Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 16 I think I was most disappointed with 17 this portfolio. I was hoping to see something more 18 exciting, but this is what we have, and I will talk 19 about design number 1 and 2, which are my first -- at 20 first, I did not like these. 21 little bit more promising than 2, and if we -- if we 22 paired this with -- I think it's 4, 4A in the reverse However, 1 seems to be a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 166 1 where, you know, we have a building, that might work. 2 That's not the right one. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 Yeah, 5, I believe, is what you mean. 5 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Five. Yes, five. 6 Five -- five -- those two would work, although I think 7 it would be a rather boring coin. 8 4A, the one that we just saw, was pretty exciting for 9 a reverse, you know. However, you know, You have the pen actually 10 pulling that fiber across the Constitution. 11 liked this one a lot. 12 very excited about -- about this portfolio. 13 14 I -- I I was -- like I said, I was not I think that's all I have to say. Thank you. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Jeanne. 16 Sam Gelberd, if you would, please. 17 MR. GELBERD: 18 And this is Sam Gelberd. Thank you, Peter. Of course, we 19 have to consider the obverse and reverse die marriage 20 very carefully. 21 a design element and just want to make sure it's not 22 on both sides, of course. "We the People" should absolutely be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 167 1 So with that being said, I do like the 2 direction for obverses 2 and 4. Obverse 4, the dress, 3 I instantly thought of Adolf Weinman's Walking Liberty 4 design, very similar look. 5 though it's a full-bodied Liberty, I do think it's 6 pretty impactful. 7 could also accept obverse 1, the chiseling. 8 obverse 2 does read a bit better as far as building 9 our nation the cornerstone. I -- I just think even I think it could work. It -- I I do You know, having the date 10 right there, I think that's a -- pretty powerful 11 imagery. 12 Obverse 3, with the Statue of Liberty, 13 of course, it was not, you know, contemporary to the 14 time, but it would be a nice nod to our -- the French, 15 who did assist us greatly in the -- in the Revolution, 16 so I'd be okay with that, but I think it may be better 17 served with a different program later on, perhaps. 18 Obverse number 9, also pretty powerful. 19 like it for a quarter just yet, maybe not the 20 Constitution quarter. Not sure if I 21 If we go back to design 7, obverse 7. 22 Very interesting, yeah. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It does read a Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 168 1 bit strange with the date, but I do like the direction 2 that that one is heading in. 3 Obverse 8, if we could go to that. 4 While I do like on the headband or the 5 diadem, the word "Liberty," instantly makes me think 6 of a Longacres Indian Head cent or a Barber's Liberty 7 Head nickel with "Liberty" in the headband there. 8 pretty interesting for that, just not as powerful as 9 obverses 2 and 4. 10 So And with that being said, the reverses, 11 8A, I do like a lot if it was paired with obverse 12 number 4, or perhaps reverse 2 if it were paired with 13 obverse number 4. 14 need to -- obverse 4 to say "U.S. Constitution" 15 instead of "We the People," just so we're avoiding 16 having "We the People" on there too much. 17 Of course, if we did that, we may Reverse 2 is interesting. I didn't 18 realize, of course, that that is the back of the chair 19 that Washington was sitting in as president of the 20 Constitutional Convention in 1787. 21 difficult for a lot of people to latch onto, even 22 established numismatists, but it's a teachable moment, So it may be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 169 1 and as a former classroom teacher, I'm all about 2 teachable moments whenever we can, especially using 3 our coinage. 4 Again, obverse 8, going back to 8A 5 -- I'm sorry, 8, rather, it does feel like -- gold 6 coin, as John alluded to. 7 only because of the 1976 Bicentennial half dollar, I 8 think those designs would be better suited to the 9 "Semi-Q" half dollar, just because it may help Reverse 5 and reverse 5A, 10 translate a little bit better because people may not 11 understand the close up image if it doesn't say 12 Independence Hall, so I almost want to reserve those 13 for judgment when we look at the half dollar "Semi-Q" 14 designs. 15 But with that being said, some of the 16 designs that are safe for the reverse are 4, 4A, 8, 17 8A, 9, and 10. 18 -- 19 it could work. 20 and reverse 8A or reverse 2 I'd have to say are my 21 favorite picks. 22 Reverse -- with the hands holding "We the People" is a pretty cool concept. I think But again, yeah, obverse 2, obverse 4, Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 170 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Sam, thank you very much. 3 Mike Moran, if you would, please. 4 MR. MORAN: 5 Thank you, Peter. 6 This is Mike Moran. There we go. I think the figure 7 in number 1 needs to be enlarged. Otherwise, I think 8 it's a great design. 9 have the motto "E Pluribus Unum" on it rather than "In In number 2, the plinth should 10 God We Trust." 11 the foundation. 12 inappropriate for this quarter because it's out of 13 historical context. 14 columns I believe is going to be lost on a quarter, 15 and the same for number 6. 16 I think that's more appropriate for The Statue of Liberty I think is The imagery in 5 of the five 7, I believe, is better suited for 17 either Abolition or Civil Rights. And on number 9, 18 what is that on the top of her head? 19 guess that it's a helmet, but the guy on the street is 20 just going to be lost with that. 21 be done with that. 22 like that the -- the inscriptions on this one, I -- I Maybe I could Something needs to Otherwise, it's okay. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I also feel Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 171 1 would want to change the lettering on "In God We 2 Trust" so that it's not as large as -- anywhere near 3 as large as "E Pluribus Unum." 4 On the reverse, the chair's a unique, 5 beautiful concept, but it's going to get lost. 6 know, John hit the nail on the head. 7 what it was. 8 it looked like latticework to me until I saw and 9 figured out that that was the rising sun, or the You He didn't know I had to look at it for a minute because 10 setting sun, depending upon Franklin's point of view 11 on that. 12 Anyway, I prefer the inscription "We 13 the People" over "in order to form a more perfect 14 union." 15 perfect union" really belongs on the half dollar if 16 we're going to use any phraseology at all. 17 feel like the style on number 11 in the reverse is out 18 of sync with what we've seen for the possible obverse 19 pairs for the Constitution quarter. I think the phrase "in order to form a more 20 That's it, Peter. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 And I also Mike, thank you very much. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 172 1 Donald Scarinci, if you would, please. 2 MR. SCARINCI: So you know, I'm dying 3 to tell the story about, you know, "We the People" and 4 -- versus the states, "We the States," but I'm not 5 going to tell that story. 6 The -- the -- I think I've been looking at this -- at 7 these coins as pairings as opposed to looking at 8 obverse/reverse. 9 to me a great deal, you know, and -- and one of them 10 I'll save it for Chris. And there's two pairings that appeal is with obverse 7. 11 Now, having -- before I talk about the 12 pairing, like, you've got to lose the date in the 13 hair; right? 14 thing is with this portfolio about the hair, you know, 15 but, like, let's just -- let's just -- I think -- I 16 think the quarters, there's something, I think, that 17 -- that spoke to me during, you know, reviewing this 18 portfolio, and that is, you know, we get to use these 19 -- the obverses of Liberty on the -- on the quarters 20 to show the diversity of America; right? 21 22 I mean, you know, I don't know what the And they -- they don't all have to be white women, and -- and they don't even have to be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 173 1 women at all; right? I mean, they could be -- you 2 know, they -- you know, what -- what about a different 3 Liberty -- a different Liberty on each of the 4 quarters, you know, that might reflect the diversity 5 of what America -- you know, the ideal of America, 6 right, the ideal that America looks for. 7 And you know -- and -- and you know, 8 but the hair or the -- the lettering in the hair is 9 just -- is just -- like, it's a non-starter. But if 10 you pair this one with -- if you pair this one with 11 reverse 6, you know, with the -- you know, with the 12 "We the People," that kind of looks cool. 13 -- I think that would make a nice coin, you know, for 14 -- for this -- for Constitution. 15 something similar to it with -- you know, with the 16 other quarters, you know -- you know, it's in the 17 pairing; right? You know, I And then we can do 18 The other -- the other pairing that's 19 interesting in this quarter would be with obverse 1, 20 and if you go with obverse 1, you -- you want to look 21 at reverse 1A. 22 have the crafting, you know, the -- you know, the And you know -- and you know, here you www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 174 1 creating, and on the -- on the reverse, you have the 2 building, you know, and -- and that -- that appeals to 3 me. 4 And using -- using -- you know, using 5 this -- you know, this idea of, you know, the 6 Constitution as your building block document; right? 7 It is the building block document, and as Thomas 8 Jefferson, you know, said at the time, you know, it 9 needs to be changed periodically as -- as society 10 changes, as the world advances. 11 And amending the Constitution, you 12 know, hasn't happened as often as I think the founders 13 would have anticipated because the document -- the 14 founders anticipated amendments to the document and 15 made many amendments while they were still alive in 16 their lifetime. 17 So you know, we -- we tend to -- we 18 tend to -- we'd rather just complain and tweet on 19 social media instead of, you know, doing a petition, 20 you know, to -- you know, to change the Constitution 21 to reflect what the population -- you know, how the 22 population has changed, how people have changed, how www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 175 1 society's changed. 2 But anyway, those are the two -- those 3 are the two pairings that I like the most. 4 -- I just -- you know, and -- and I -- I certainly 5 think, you know, both 1 and 2, you know, are -- are 6 nice designs. 7 think there's so much potential in this whole 8 portfolio, but you know, the -- you know, why can't 9 people just look like people; right? I think there's a lot of potential. I They're people. 10 And -- and Liberty is us; isn't it, really? 11 end, it's us, it's people. 12 I just In the So I don't know that we need all this 13 stuff going on in the hair and the -- the, you know 14 -- you know, the antennas coming out of people's head, 15 the, you know, flowers, the rays, and all this stuff. 16 But anyway, I've said that. 17 about "We the People" versus "We the States," very 18 interesting story leading to the Civil War. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 much. 21 22 So another time, we talk Donald, thank you very Entertaining for midafternoon. Appreciate it. Dr. Harcourt Fuller, if you would, please. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 176 1 DR. FULLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 2 This is Harcourt Fuller. I think that 3 there -- there are many things in this portfolio that 4 appeal to me, and there are many things -- there are 5 other things that I have questions about that I'm 6 -- I'm not sure about. 7 I definitely like 1 in the obverse. 8 think it's a stunning image. 9 says to me is -- is this idea of America being I When I see it, what it 10 self-made, its liberty, you know, the carving herself 11 out of, you know, the -- the stone; right? 12 -- it's just -- it's -- yeah, I just think that it's 13 -- it's stunning. 14 often see. 15 know, the shape. 16 I see a lot of motion in it, a lot of doing, a lot of 17 action. 18 So it's It's not something that you -- you I -- I like all the dimensions, the -- you I -- I just think it's -- you know, So I think that's one of my favorites. I also like 2. The -- the idea of 19 -- of Liberty, you know, you know, building 20 -- building, building America, building this house, 21 you know, with the cornerstone, with -- with the 22 -- you know, the dates, I think that's very appealing. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 177 1 I think it's a very strong coin and not a depiction 2 that we -- we normally see. 3 I also like 4. It's a very stern look. 4 It's saying, you know, "We" -- you know, "We the 5 People"; right? 6 saying, you know, we are the source of power in this 7 country, and it's no nonsense, you know, she's not 8 smiling. 9 It's -- it's almost in your face It's a very serious thing. Can we go to 5, please? 10 So there are a -- a couple of these 11 images in this portfolio that I think don't quite 12 portray what -- what I -- I think we're trying to 13 portray. 14 I would also add that she looks sad here. 15 she -- her -- you know, her head is -- is hung, she's 16 -- she looks kind of like things are not working out, 17 and I don't think that that's the -- the message that 18 we're trying to send. I think someone said she looks disappointed. You know, 19 Let's see 6, please. 20 It's the same sentiment here. 21 And 7. 22 Now, I -- you know, I think that -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 178 1 just want to echo what I think I heard Donald saying. 2 I think, of course, oftentimes, you know, the 3 portrayal of -- of Lady Liberty is of a -- you know, a 4 -- a white female, and you know, I -- I think I had 5 said before that a couple of years ago, I remember 6 getting a -- a gold Black Lady Liberty commemorative 7 coin and how my daughters were so excited because they 8 could see themselves in that coin. 9 Now, I'm not necessarily saying that it 10 needs to be an African American woman. It could be 11 any other woman of color, so to speak. But I just 12 think that it is a stunning image. 13 doesn't work for this series, I would love to see this 14 as a -- as a coin elsewhere, I think Mike mentioned as 15 part of, you know, the -- the Civil Rights or the 16 Abolition set. 17 I think that if it But I also think that it could work for 18 this, because if we're trying to -- I mean, we've 19 already seen a particular type of image for over 20 -- you know, for a very long time, over two centuries. 21 I think that we can change it up. 22 new era. We're going into a We need new kinds of representation. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It is Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 179 1 about inclusion and not -- you know, so I -- so I -- I 2 really like this. 3 -- as one of the coins in this series or -- or some 4 other series. 5 And again, I'd love to see it as With respect to the reverses, I think 6 number 1, I like -- I like that. 7 the -- you're seeing all the tools that are used to 8 make this country, this structure, this house. 9 the font on it as well. 10 You know, I think 1A I also like. I like I like the addition of "We the People" there. 11 Let's go to 4, please. 12 Yeah. So 4 and I believe 5 or 4A 13 -- let's see if it's -- yes. I -- I like the contrast 14 between the light and dark, you know, the hand holding 15 the pen. 16 make a great coin. I think that works very well. I think it'll 17 Let's go to 6, please. 18 I really, really love this one. I 19 think Annelisa said the same thing. It's -- I mean, I 20 think it's -- it's self-evident, it's obvious, you 21 know, the people, we the people, we are the source of 22 -- of life and power in this country. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 The "We the Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 180 1 People" writing, it almost looks like a plant that is 2 emerging out of the soil that's being nourished by the 3 people. 4 -- that I would probably like to see different shades 5 in the hands to represent the diversity of -- of the 6 people in the country. I -- I think my only comment would be that 7 Those are my comments. 8 THE CHAIRMAN: 9 Wonderful. Thank you, Dr. Fuller. 10 11 Thank you. Dr. Chris Capozzola, if you would, please. 12 DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right. 13 This is Chris Capozzola, and it's 14 -- it's a pleasure to go toward the end of the -- of 15 the sequence this time because it allows me to learn 16 from other people along the way. 17 It's really hard to put the Constitution into visual 18 -- you know, to communicate it visually, and I think 19 that's what we're struggling with. 20 but incredibly important document, and so I think 21 that's -- that's part of the challenge. 22 I'll just observe: It's an abstract I will say -- and I'm -- I'm also www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 181 1 struck by -- you know, I think everything I think sort 2 of depends on what we do with some of the other 3 Semiquincentennial coins; right? 4 about them as a collection in a sequence, I think 5 there may be some solutions. 6 And if we think Once again, I will just emphasize, 7 like, it's really important that we're changing the 8 obverse of the quarter and that George Washington is 9 departing the coin. And especially in our current 10 political environment, some people will take that as 11 an attack on the founding. 12 sure that it's conveyed as an affirmation of the 13 founding and -- and that we do it in a way that 14 conveys, you know, the value of the founding four, you 15 know, for 2026. 16 doing that is by having across the sequence a range of 17 different obverses that will work for -- for all 18 Americans. 19 I think we have to make And I think that one of the ways of So on the obverses, I -- I like obverse 20 1. I feel like we've seen this before. 21 it a lot before. 22 I just want to raise, I would -- there's a little I like it now. I -- I liked Here and elsewhere, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 182 1 complication for how we handle dates on the 2 Constitution quarter because it -- it's marking the 3 Semiquincentennial, so it's 1776, 2026. 4 250th of the Constitution itself, which dates to 1789. It's not the 5 I personally don't like a dash, and if 6 it -- if the dates can be separated, you know, either 7 one above the other or with a dot or a star, looking 8 at this, it just looks like a birth and death date of 9 the -- of our republic, which I really am hoping is 10 not the case. 11 that. 12 And so, you know, I would just request I'll also flag in 1 that the torch is 13 specifically the torch from the Statue of Liberty. 14 don't think that's a problem. 15 makes it legible to most people, whereas, you know, I 16 -- I concur with others that -- that O3, while 17 fantastic, is -- is not appropriate for -- for this 18 particular -- this particular portfolio for the 19 historic accuracy reasons. 20 I I actually think it On the -- in terms of other obverses, 21 you know, I think others have -- have said things 22 pretty clearly on some of the others. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 On O7, I do Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 183 1 think this could work as one of -- one of a range of 2 obverses that -- that kind of reimagine, you know, 3 sort of the founders, and -- and this could certainly 4 work. 5 of the hair, and I think -- I'm not sure that the 6 flames and the stars are going to be really legible or 7 -- or will communicate. 8 people's hands and pockets, but they might not 9 communicate clearly what's being communicated. And just concurring the dates have to come out They might be visible in But I 10 liked this as being a coin that could only have been 11 made in 2026, so I appreciated that. 12 And 9, I -- initially, I really didn't 13 like, but you all have won me over a little bit. 14 think -- I think with maybe a different headpiece and 15 -- and just taking out the stars and just making them 16 -- you know, making "E Pluribus Unum" legible would 17 -- would go a long way here on the obverse. 18 again, I think number 1 is my preference. 19 I But On the reverses, again, I -- I think 20 I'm informed by what other people have said along the 21 way. 22 was really interesting and promising. I think my top choice here is O6. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I thought it It depends, of Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 184 1 course, what you pair it with. 2 what Harcourt just said, maybe, you know, a range of 3 different hands, which doesn't necessarily have to be 4 in the shading of skin tone but could also be 5 communicated through age, size, you know, adult child, 6 et cetera, just to kind of show all Americans building 7 -- building and holding that -- that up. 8 9 I would concur with I loved O2 with the chair. great story. It's just not going to work. That's a It's too 10 -- you know, it's just too much for -- for most 11 Americans to -- to process in a circulating coin. 12 then the other one, I -- obviously, 5 and 5A are 13 -- are solid and strong. 14 of this on the Declaration quarter. 15 to do both. You know, then it would get boring. 16 of -- between 5 and 5A, I think I -- I prefer 5. 17 Again, as with Sam, I feel like "We the People" is 18 just a really important feature to include along the 19 way. 20 And I liked the -- the version I wouldn't want And The safest, easiest one is -- is 8 or 21 8A. People will recognize it. It has a little bit of 22 a Schoolhouse Rock feel to it, I'm afraid. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It's a bit Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 185 1 -- it's maybe too safe for -- for what we need to do, 2 but -- but I did appreciate it for sure. 3 Thank you. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Chris, and 5 thanks for the Schoolhouse Rock reference there, too, 6 which on the younger generation might be a little bit 7 lost. Thank you. 8 Kellen Hoard, if you would, please. 9 MR. HOARD: 10 Thank you. Let me see here. So as I mentioned 11 earlier in the dime portfolio, I thought dime design 12 6, which we don't have to pull up here, would really 13 be great for this piece, and we can -- I'd love to see 14 it later this fall, dime design 6 as one of the 15 obverses to consider. 16 the theme, fits this piece well. 17 I think it really just captures I also find myself drawn in this 18 portfolio to obverse 3, which is a little out there. 19 I -- I think -- I think the public would really just 20 be interested to have this in their hands, and it's 21 one that we could justify with this replacement of 22 George Washington into this idea that -- of Liberty www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 186 1 2 that a lot of Americans hold. It's different than what people are 3 used to for an obverse, but it's a way for us to be 4 innovative with our circulating coinage. 5 opposed to all the other kind of options we have, 6 which is an allegorical depiction of Liberty from the 7 same distance away, just in different states of 8 motion, this one is a little bit different that that, 9 and I appreciate that. 10 You know, as I think many of my student peers 11 associate this -- the Statue of Liberty with their 12 idea of what liberty is, and I think it would in the 13 public at large, though I also don't think it 14 necessarily ties to the Constitution quite as well as 15 it does the Declaration of Independence, so I would 16 even be fine with it on that quarter, which had no 17 obverses I liked on that last quarter. 18 I'd also like to see, if we did pursue 19 this design, the lettering redone rather than having 20 them on the banners. 21 newspaper and -- and I'd be -- as editor of my 22 newspaper, and the students would be trying to figure When I was on my high school www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 187 1 out how to fit text creatively in the page, they'd 2 always just put a banner exactly like that one and 3 just kind of plop it down on the page and put text 4 over it, and I think there's more creative ways we 5 could rework that. 6 I guessed when I was writing my notes 7 up that a lot of my colleagues like design 1 for the 8 obverse, and I would urge us to move actually away 9 from that design. I think it's an artistically very 10 nice design, but when we last saw this option for the 11 American Liberty coin and medal series, I noted at 12 that time, and I still believe, that the design 13 basically sends the wrong message thematically. 14 -- to me, it shows Liberty as responsible for her own 15 preservation, like, she is the one preserving herself, 16 she is the one breaking herself free. 17 -- it's not true. It's And I think it 18 It's our jobs -- as citizens, it's our 19 jobs to actually actively, you know, help protect and 20 defend and promote her. 21 of the times we're living in, it's more important that 22 we don't mislead the public by saying "We can leave it I think, especially in light www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 188 1 to Liberty to do it all herself." 2 the wrong message to send. 3 I -- I think that's For the reverse -- actually, for both 4 sides, I'm really not a fan of the brick motif. 5 interesting, but I don't think it translates well 6 numismatically. I do, however, like reverse designs 7 2, 3, 4, and 5. Design 2, you know, just really 8 catches your eye, it feels stately, in line with the 9 Constitution dynamic, but I don't -- I agree with my 10 colleagues. 11 understand what it is. It's I don't think the -- the public will 12 3 would be kind of the safe, classic 13 choice. I don't think that necessarily makes it bad, 14 but I think we can do a little bit better. 15 riskier but definitely ties in with that theme of the 16 Constitution, creative symbolism. 17 4 is a bit I would ask if subject matter experts 18 would have an opinion -- I -- I don't really 19 -- whether the stars in this flag should be -- it 20 should be a 50-star flag or a 13-star flag. 21 seems to be 50. 22 -- a preference there. This I didn't know whether there was a I can see the merit to both. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 189 1 And then 5 wasn't my favorite at first, 2 but I've -- I've grown on it a little bit here, or 3 it's grown on me, rather, and I'd be interested to 4 hear more discussion about it. 5 little bit in that I -- if we did do Independence Hall 6 on this quarter, I'd actually recommend doing it on 7 both. 8 but I think it'd be a way to actually tie our two 9 different -- our -- our first two quarter designs I actually differ a I -- I might not have much agreement on that, 10 together a little bit, and I don't think that's 11 necessarily a bad thing. 12 A couple last comments: Regarding 13 obverse 7, I would also urge us to move maybe a little 14 bit away from obverse 7 here in that, to me, how I 15 interpreted it, at -- at first glance and in further 16 thought, was that she looked almost like a sorceress. 17 Rather than actually, like, holding fire or nurturing 18 it, it's actually like -- you know, like dark magic, 19 in, like -- in -- with a negative connotation. 20 worry it could be misinterpreted as such, not that it 21 necessarily is. 22 And then for the reverses here, I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 190 1 wanted to -- reverse 6, which I know some people liked 2 as well. 3 a little bit and how I, again, read this one is that 4 it almost looked to me like "We the People" was 5 crumbling in their hands. 6 are -- are actually broken off, and to me, I worry 7 about the symbolic meaning thereof. And this one's okay. 8 9 What I do worry about The bottom of the letters It almost feels as though in the state of America today, there's so many hands grasping for 10 what "We the People" actually means, fighting over it, 11 contesting it; that in that process they are, in fact, 12 breaking the very meaning of it, that democracy and 13 liberty is in many ways crumbling as people grasp 14 after their narrow idea of what "We the People" 15 exactly is. 16 that kind of crumbling style, because, to me, that 17 felt far too close to home. 18 19 20 21 22 And so I -- I didn't love the letters in And that's all I have to say about that. Thanks so much. THE CHAIRMAN: Wonderful. Kellen, thank you very much. I believe somebody's hand was just www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 191 1 raised. 2 Harcourt. 3 DR. FULLER: Thank you. Yes. This is Harcourt 4 Fuller. Can we -- I just want to pick up 5 on a couple of things Kellen was saying. 6 Can we go back to obverse 7, please? 7 Something that I actually forgot to 8 point out myself, the -- the -- you know, the -- the 9 stars and the flames that she's holding in her hands, 10 they -- it -- it almost looks like a -- a pistol, like 11 -- like a gun, and I'm not -- it's not a value 12 judgment either way, but I just wanted to throw it out 13 there to see if that's, you know, what -- what people 14 think about that. 15 16 So I just wanted to throw that out. And the -- and if we could go to reverse 6, please. 17 I would say if those -- if those hands 18 were -- were clenched, then I would agree with -- with 19 Kellen. 20 fighting over, you know, power or fighting over, you 21 know, the country. 22 -- the fact that their hands are -- they're open, I don't really see it as people sort of If you look at how, you know, the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 192 1 they're not clenched, they -- they look more like they 2 are supporting something as opposed to sort of tearing 3 down or ripping something. 4 to make that observation. 5 Thank you. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 And Art, let's have your comments. 8 MR. BERNSTEIN: 9 Bernstein. So that's -- I just wanted Okay. Thank you. This is Arthur I put myself in the camp of a big 10 proponent of obverse 1 for all the reasons stated by 11 many of my colleagues. 12 is not a design I support, but if we're going to use 13 the design, I question the -- the sideburns -- the 14 -- side curls on the Statue of Liberty. 15 those are on the statue. 16 Liberty as portrayed on the Presidential Golden 17 Dollars, and it doesn't have those side curls, so I 18 would just -- I just wondered about what that little 19 detail was -- was for, and I wonder if it should be 20 included. With regard to obverse 3, this I don't think I looked at the Statue of 21 With regard to obverse 4, I also like 22 this design for the reasons stated by my colleagues, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 193 1 and I would add: 2 document is showing, that she's holding something 3 that's meant to replicate, to represent the 4 Constitution itself. 5 I appreciate the fact that a Obverse 5, I appreciate the depiction 6 of the three branches of government, but we were 7 talking about the Statue of Liberty not being 8 contemporary with the Constitution. 9 buildings representing those three branches of None of the 10 government would be contemporary with the 11 Constitution, either, so I -- I think that would be a 12 mistake. 13 Obverse 8: The lettering of 14 "E Pluribus Unum" certainly embraces the direction 15 given to the artists that that phrase be prominently 16 featured. 17 of "E Pluribus Unum." 18 It's -- I appreciated the large lettering With regard to the reverses, the 1 and 19 1A, what is meant to represent the cornerstone, to me, 20 looks like a big-box store, and I just -- that's what 21 -- what struck me about that design. 22 Reverse 2: I was surprised to hear www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 194 1 from some of my colleagues that they were not familiar 2 with -- with that story. 3 teenager visiting Independence Hall, I remember the 4 park ranger telling us that story in great detail, and 5 when I was back in Philadelphia a couple years ago for 6 a CCAC meeting, the rangers are still telling that 7 story, the same story about Benjamin Franklin's 8 observation. 9 remark about "This is a teachable moment." I have to tell you, as a And I -- I would attach myself to Sam's While not 10 everyone knows the story, I think it's a great story, 11 and it creates a terrific design with that latticework 12 of the chair. 13 2. So I would -- I would support reverse 14 I share support for reverses 5 and 5A. 15 Again, as I mentioned in -- in our last discussion of 16 the other quarter, I think there's an opportunity 17 here, and I think Kellen was saying the same thing, to 18 create a connection between the different quarters by 19 using a famous architectural feature. 20 21 22 That concludes my comments, Mr. Chairman. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Art, thank Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 195 1 you very much. 2 As for my own comments, obverse 1 I 3 really do find to be a rather compelling design. My 4 concern, however, is whether or not this is actually 5 appropriate for an obverse of a coin. 6 Liberty coinage of the 1830s asides, most seated 7 figures like this typically appear on the reverse of 8 coins, such as, you know, the seated Britannia with 9 British coins and various seated figures on The seated 10 Hellenistic coins and so forth. 11 it just seems a little heavy and cumbersome to my eye 12 for an obverse design, even though, again, it is 13 really rather compelling. 14 And so, now, again, Obverse 3, the Statue of Liberty, I 15 agree with my colleagues that this is lovely, but I 16 don't think it's appropriate for this series. 17 Kellen saw a sorceress; Harcourt saw her raising a 18 pistol; I saw a Bond girl with a pistol, you know, 19 raised as well. 20 really interesting, but I think it would have to be 21 reworked and certainly take the date out of the hair 22 and perhaps do something with the stars and the flame I love this design. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Seven: I think it's Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 196 1 and the rest, but I think that this is one that could 2 potentially go forward. 3 Obverse number 8: I agree with John. 4 I saw initially something along the lines of one of 5 the presidential wives, but the more I looked at it, 6 it actually just struck me more as "Karen," you know, 7 that meme of the privileged complaining woman. 8 there's something about her expression that I just 9 cannot get beyond "Karen." And I think that while 10 this is, you know, potentially one that could go 11 forward, I think the expression would have to be 12 reworked to some degree. 13 And Number 9, I found the expression on 14 Liberty's face here just a little too intense, and "In 15 God We Trust" in that context, almost seemed like a 16 threat, and it seemed like she's about to do something 17 rude with that flaming torch. 18 that -- while this design is quite, again, 19 interesting, I'm not sure with that expression and 20 what seems to me to be overly large hands should be 21 something that should go forward. 22 And I would suggest In terms of reverses, I'm really not a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 197 1 fan of the bricks and the wall. Number 2 I think is a 2 lovely design, but again, I think it would be lost on 3 most of the public. 4 favorites. 5 just a fantastic design, and I think it would work 6 very well on these. 7 and 5A, again, made comments about this Independence 8 Hall in the previous portfolio, and as somebody who 9 was alive at the time of the 1976 Bicentennial, to me, Reverses 4 and 4A, are by far my I agree with Jeanne that this is really And those, I think are -- and 5 10 this Independence Hall image just strikes me as a 11 little bit too 1976. 12 get away from that half dollar reference that appeared 13 on the Bicentennial coinage. 14 I just, for some reason, cannot So that's what I've got to say. We 15 certainly can entertain some more comments in the time 16 that we have left. 17 So are there any additional comments or 18 questions from the members of the committee at this 19 time? 20 John Saunders, your hand is raised. 21 MR. SAUNDERS: 22 John Saunders. I'm off of mute now. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Good. Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 198 1 I want to make a comment on 4 and 4A, 2 which I like the design. I'm just questioning: It 3 almost looks like someone's cutting through something. 4 You know, you -- I guess this is supposed to be a 5 stream of letters or words that are coming -- have 6 come out of the pen, but I just thought that was 7 something that should be made clear. 8 with the comment about the bricks being a -- a big-box 9 thing, so I -- I like that a little bit less now that And Art got me 10 -- after, you know, once you hear something like that, 11 every time you look at it, you think it. 12 know, I still like 1, and I -- also, I -- I like the 13 Independence Hall, so some good choices. 14 15 Yeah, we do. Other MR. SAUNDERS: That's all I've got to THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, John. say. 18 19 THE CHAIRMAN: comments? 16 17 But you Thank you. 20 Any other comments? 21 I see two people raise their hands, but 22 I'm not sure, yet, who those two people are. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 199 1 Annelisa, if you would, please. 2 MS. PURDIE: 3 This is Annelisa Purdie. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just very 4 quickly, we do remember Schoolhouse Rock. 5 actually been singing the lyrics to the preamble entry 6 by Lynn Ahrens as I've been looking through these 7 coins since this morning, so -- 8 THE CHAIRMAN: 9 All right. I've You and me, both. Yeah, it really was a 10 wonderful thing, Schoolhouse Rock, for those of us who 11 were kids, you know, decades ago and those who have 12 had exposure to it since. 13 morning program that allowed you to learn various 14 things to music, which stays in your head for decades, 15 I'll tell you that. It was a wonderful Saturday 16 Any other comments? 17 April, are there any questions that you 18 have or any clarification that you would like from the 19 committee about anything that has been discussed or 20 said so far? 21 22 MS. STAFFORD: Any of this? I do not believe so, but the design development team and I will kind of get www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 200 1 together and just go through our notes and certainly 2 let you know before tomorrow's meeting if there's 3 anything we need clarification on. 4 this has been extremely helpful, and I think, as well, 5 the score sheets will go some way into indicating the 6 designs that the committee would -- would definitely 7 want us to go back and rework and -- and see again, so 8 we appreciate it very much. 9 10 Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Again, I think Certainly. So if we have no further 11 discussion on this portfolio, again, I would just ask 12 all of you to score the obverse and reverse candidate 13 designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial quarter 14 commemorating the Constitution. 15 email those to Greg Weinman, the CCAC counsel, who 16 will tally the scores and will present them to us 17 tomorrow morning. 18 And again, please do One thing I do want to mention about 19 tomorrow morning, we will be reviewing the candidate 20 designs for the Semiquincentennial half dollar as our 21 first order of business, and then we will have a 22 discussion following that where we will be presented www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 201 1 with the scores for all the various Semiquincentennial 2 candidate designs as well as the platinum proof. 3 we will then have a discussion to follow up and be 4 thinking about different aspects of this program. 5 And One thing that April did raise with me 6 was whether we should be considering how to present 7 the Liberties that we've been seeing in the various 8 portfolios and whether or not this is something that, 9 perhaps, could be presented as an entire portfolio, 10 just the Liberties, and then we could work through 11 those, trying to find ways to attach a Liberty to a 12 particular coin within the program. 13 So please do be thinking about that, 14 and also be thinking, too, about ways that we can 15 -- as various members of the committee have brought up 16 in various moments today, about sequencing the various 17 ways to pull all of these together into some sort of 18 collective hole. 19 So little things to be considering 20 prior to tomorrow's meeting, but in the meantime, if 21 all of our discussion has concluded today, I would 22 like to thank the CCAC members, the Mint staff, and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 15, 2024 Page 202 1 the public for their attendance. We will recess until 2 tomorrow, Tuesday, July 16, 2024, at 10 a.m., when 3 again, we will continue the review of this 4 Semiquincentennial program with the half dollar and 5 then the Best of the Mint silver series. 6 will entertain a motion to recess. 7 motion? So now I Do I have a 8 MR. SAUNDERS: I so motion. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, John. 10 11 MR. BERNSTEIN: seconds the motion. 12 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Brilliant. And all of those in favor of the motion to recess until tomorrow, please say "aye." 16 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 17 THE CHAIRMAN: 18 19 20 21 22 Thank you, Art. 14 15 Arthur Bernstein have it. All right. Aye. All right. The ayes Thank you. MR. WEINMAN: Thank you all, and send me your -- send me your sheets. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you so much. Yup. 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zoom] 42:6,6 62:8,8 64:7,21 69:2 69:15 70:16 74:5 75:20,20 77:21 78:8,9 78:17 87:21,22 87:22 99:17 115:11 146:5 147:5 149:17 151:7 152:6 153:10 155:21 156:4,4,6 166:3 167:22 169:19 176:12 179:12 198:14 199:9 year 12:19 17:4 31:4,17 32:5 33:10,21 85:5 86:16 147:16 147:18,18 148:7,8,8 162:5 years 12:12 15:20 16:11 18:3 27:5 29:18 31:21 35:12 37:18 38:15 41:12 44:21 56:16 63:14 75:18 76:9,12 80:22 84:3 85:13 86:15,20 96:6 102:21 114:14 114:18 120:1 153:4 178:5 194:5 July 15, 2024 Page 57 yellen 14:19 yoke 27:18 young 30:13 54:8 68:7 100:19 younger 185:6 yup 202:21 z zavattaro 205:2,15 zero 68:2,2,2 107:9 zoom 120:1 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 1 1 CCAC Public Meeting 2 3 4 5 6 Moderated by Jennifer Warren 7 Tuesday, July 16, 2024 8 10:00 a.m. 9 10 11 12 13 Remote Proceeding Department of the Treasury 14 U.S. Mint 15 801 9th Street Northwest 16 Washington, D.C. 20220 17 jennifer.warren@usmint.treas.gov 18 (202) 360-3154 19 20 Reported by: Ashtyn Plunkett 21 22 Job No. CS6719415 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 List of Attendees: 3 Arthur Bernstein, Representing the General Public 4 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, Recommended by the Speaker of the 5 House 6 Dr. Christopher Capozzola, the member Specially 7 Qualified in American History 8 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, Specially Qualified in Sculpture 9 or Medallic Arts 10 John Saunders, Recommended by the House Minority Leader 11 Michael Moran, Recommended by the Senate Majority Leader 12 Sam Gelberd, the member Specially Qualified in 13 Numismatics 14 Kellen Hoard, Representing the General Public 15 Annelisa Purdie, Representing the General Public 16 Peter van Alfen, the member Specially Qualified as a 17 Numismatic Curator and the Chairperson of the CCAC 18 April Stafford, Chief, Office of Design Management 19 Megan Sullivan, Senior Design Specialist 20 Roger Vasquez, Senior Design Manager 21 Boneza Hanchock, Design Manager 22 Sukrita Baijal, Design Manager www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 3 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 List of Attendees: 3 Joseph Menna, Chief Engraver 4 Michael Costello, Manager of Design and Engraving 5 Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and 6 Intergovernmental Affairs and Liaison to the CCAC 7 Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the 8 CCAC 9 Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, 10 Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 11 Mike Unser, Founder and Editor of CoinNews 12 Louis Golino, American Numismatic Association 13 Paul Gilkes, Senior Editor Coin World 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 4 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Good morning. 3 call back in order the meeting of the Citizens 4 Coinage Advisory Committee for Tuesday, July 16, 5 2024. 6 I The time is 10 a.m. This is the second of two days that the CCAC 7 will be meeting. I would like to remind members 8 that as we are all participating via 9 videoconference to please mute your phone or 10 microphone on your Microsoft Teams program when not 11 talking and to enunciate when you speak for the 12 benefit of the transcriber as well as for the 13 listening public. 14 But before we begin, I would like to 15 reintroduce members of committee. 16 respond "present" when I call your name. 17 18 So please Arthur Bernstein, representing the general public? 19 MR. BERNSTEIN: Present. 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: Dr. Harcourt Fuller, 21 22 recommended by the Speaker of the House? [NO RESPONSE] www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 5 1 2 Dr. Christopher Capozzola, the member specially qualified in American history? 3 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Present. 4 DR. VAN ALFEN: Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, 5 specially qualified in sculpture or medallic arts? 6 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 7 DR. VAN ALFEN: 8 9 10 11 John Saunders, recommended by the House Minority Leader? MR. SAUNDERS: DR. VAN ALFEN: Present. Michael Moran, recommended by the Senate Majority Leader? 12 MR. MORAN: 13 DR. VAN ALFEN: 14 Present. Present. Donald Scarinci, recommended by the Senate Minority Leader? 15 [NO RESPONSE] 16 Sam Gelberd, the member specially qualified in 17 numismatics? 18 MR. GELBERD: 19 DR. VAN ALFEN: 20 Present. Kellen Hoard, representing the general public? 21 [Silence] 22 Annalisa Purdie, representing the general www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 6 1 public? 2 MS. PURDIE: Present. 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: And I am Peter van Alfen, the 4 member specially qualified as a numismatic curator 5 and the chairperson of the CCAC. 6 And I believe we have a quorum. 7 So the agenda for today's public meeting 8 includes review and discussion of the candidate 9 designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial half 10 dollar; and overall discussion of 11 Semiquincentennial circulating portfolios that we 12 have reviewed yesterday and today; and review and 13 discussion of the candidate designs for the 2026 14 Semiquincentennial "Best of the Mint" Silver 15 Medals. 16 Before we begin our proceedings, I ask the 17 Mint liaison to the CCAC, Ms. Jennifer Warren, if 18 we are aware of any members of the press who are 19 remotely watching the public meeting? 20 MS. WARREN: Good morning. This is Jennifer 21 Warren. Mike Unser, founder and editor of 22 CoinNews; Louis Golino from the American Numismatic www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 7 1 Association; and Paul Gilkes, from -- Senior Editor 2 of Coin World. 3 joined as well. 4 DR. VAN ALFEN: 5 right. 6 today's meeting. 7 And also, Chairman, Kellen just Wonderful, thank you. All And welcome our members of the press at For the record, I would also like to confirm 8 that the following Mint staff are in attendance 9 today. 10 11 12 So please indicate "present" after I've called your name. April Stafford, Chief of Office of Design Management? 13 MS. STAFFORD: 14 DR. VAN ALFEN: 15 MS. SULLIVAN: 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: MR. VASQUEZ: 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: 22 Megan Present. Roger Vasquez, senior design manager? 19 21 Thank you, April. Sullivan, senior design specialist? 16 18 Present. Present. Thank you. Russel Evans, design manager? MS. STAFFORD: Not present. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 8 1 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: MS. HANCHOCK: 4 DR. VAN ALFEN: Present. MS. BAIJAL: 7 DR. VAN ALFEN: 8 Chief Engraver? 9 MR. MENNA: 11 Thank you. Sukrita Baijal, design manager? 6 10 Boneza Hanchock, design manager? 3 5 Thank you. Present. Thank you. Joseph Menna, Present. DR. VAN ALFEN: Michael Costello, Manager of Design and Engraving? 12 MR. COSTELLO: Present. 13 DR. VAN ALFEN: Jennifer Warren, Director of 14 Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs and 15 liaison to the CCAC? 16 MS. WARREN: 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: 18 Present. Greg Weinman, senior legal counsel and counsel to the CCAC? 19 MR. WEINMAN: 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: Present. Thank you. Brendan Tate, 21 senior government affairs specialist, Office of 22 Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 9 1 MR. TATE: Present. 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. So I'd like to 3 begin with the Mint. 4 that need to be addressed before we start today? 5 [NO RESPONSE] 6 All right. Are there any other issues Hearing none we will move right on 7 to the first portfolio for consideration which is 8 the 2026 Semiquincentennial half dollar. 9 Stafford and Boneza Hanchock will present the April 10 candidate designs for the obverse and reverse of 11 this portfolio. 12 April, all yours, please. MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. Some background; 13 Following the Constitutional Convention in 1787, 14 Benjamin Franklin was said to have asked "what type 15 of" -- was said to have been asked "What type of 16 government the United States was going to adopt, a 17 republic or a monarchy?" 18 republic...if you can keep it." - emphasized the 19 difficult work that lay ahead for the American 20 people. 21 22 His famous reply - "A The 2026 half dollar coin explores what is required from us to keep our Republic for the next www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 10 1 250 years, and emphasizes the critical role of the 2 citizen in a participatory and knowledge-based 3 democracy. As Supreme Court Justice Louis D. 4 Brandeis said, "the only title in our democracy 5 superior to that of President is the title of 6 citizen." 7 So the obverse for the half dollar in 2026 8 will feature a depiction of Liberty, and the 9 reverse designs, as previously noted, will explore 10 what is required to keep the United States for the 11 next 250 years. 12 call to action" for a participatory and 13 knowledge-based democracy so that the reverse 14 designs could inspire a renewed interest in civics 15 and highlight the role that citizens play in 16 preserving democracy, specifically the importance 17 of knowledge and reason and rational informed 18 debate. 19 Artists were asked to consider "a Specifically, the artists were asked to give 20 special consideration to the following James 21 Madison quotes, - "knowledge will forever govern 22 ignorance; and a people that mean to be their own www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 11 1 governors must arm themselves with the power that 2 knowledge gives." 3 diffusion of knowledge is the only Guardian of true 4 liberty". 5 And, - "the advancement and Required obverse inscriptions for the half 6 dollar are "United States of America" which is 7 [sic] mentioned in yesterday's meeting. 8 the required inscription that artists were asked to 9 probably feature in their obverse designs. That is As well 10 as the inscriptions "In God We Trust" and "1776" 11 and "2026". 12 13 14 Reverse inscriptions that are required include "Liberty", "half dollar", "E pluribis unum". So we'll move on to show you the new candidate 15 designs for the half dollar obverse, starting with 16 Obverse 1, 2, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11. 17 Moving on to the reverse designs, for your 18 consideration we have Reverse 1, 1A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 19 7, 8, and 8A. 20 candidate designs. 21 22 Mr. Chairman, that concludes the DR. VAN ALFEN: Beautiful. Thank you, April. Before we begin our consideration, are there any www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 12 1 technical or legal questions from the Committee 2 about this program or the designs for the 2026 3 Semiquincentennial Half Dollar? 4 hand is raised. 5 MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes. Arthur, I see your Thank you. This is 6 Arthur Bernstein. 7 the use of the word "circulating". 8 in fact be produced in quantities to be distributed 9 as circulating coins? 10 MS. STAFFORD: I have a question with regard to Will this coin That is a great question. So 11 we -- we produce the amount of coins requested -- 12 ordered by the Federal Reserve. 13 had previous conversations with the 14 semiquincentennial work group that was formed by 15 the CCAC, that this kind of straddles that. 16 idea of circulating and -- those coins that are 17 merely connected. 18 or isn't anticipated to circulate the same way the 19 other circulating coins will. 20 there might be -- I think there is an understanding 21 in general about the new programs that the United 22 States Mint takes on that we work with all of the So I believe we The It certainly will not circulate But I believe, Greg, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 13 1 agencies and entities to try to widely disperse 2 these as -- as much as possible. 3 there's any specific provision -- (crosstalk) -- 4 MR. WEINMAN: I don't know if There is a provision. It's not 5 a mandate, but it's one that we -- (inaudible) -- 6 will work with us to ensure a wider distribution of 7 the circulation coins. 8 that this has been specifically discussed, with 9 respect to the halfs, but if it's the opinion of I don't know -- I can't say 10 the committee that this is something that you'd 11 like to address, I'm sure that's something -- that 12 we can do so. 13 legislation that authorizes us to -- encourages the 14 -- (inaudible) -- to work with us. 15 in that type of circulation. 16 17 18 There is a provision in the DR. VAN ALFEN: To -- to aide Jen, I see your hand is raised. MS. WARREN: Yeah. I was just going to add, I 19 am aware that at least the last couple of years 20 there has been some orders of half dollars by the 21 FRB for circulating. 22 this year, it's unclear, but it has been happening Whether that would happen in www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 14 1 periodically. 2 something has been bought for circulating. 3 there was a demand by the banks for half dollars, 4 they would be purchasing them. 5 6 Not large amounts, but at least DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. So if Any other questions or comments before we -- 7 MR. SAUNDERS: 8 DR. VAN ALFEN: 9 MR. SAUNDERS: Peter, it's John Saunders. Sure, go ahead. Can't seem to raise my hand. 10 Something went wrong. Anyway, I'm old enough to 11 remember before the Kennedy halves and then all the 12 silver got hoarded. 13 change. 14 got a half dollar, a quarter, a dime, and a nickel. 15 And I think this would be occasion to, you know, 16 push the half dollar again. 17 real effort made to increase the circulation. 18 mean, people are going to want to get one just to 19 have one if they get the other two coins. 20 it -- it's a good reason to go out and make them 21 more available to the public. 22 see that as a goal. The half dollar was used in You know, if you got 90 cents change, you I'd like to a -- a I And So I -- I'd like to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 15 1 DR. VAN ALFEN: I -- I have a question for the 2 Mint staff, perhaps they -- in order for us to 3 encourage the circulation of the half dollar, would 4 we then make a motion at the end of our discussion, 5 and have that as a part of our recommendation? 6 MR. WEINMAN: I mean, it's -- admittedly, it's 7 a little bit outside the scope of the CCAC's review 8 of designs, but I don't -- so don't think it's 9 official. But there's -- because there is 10 something in the legislation about this, I don't 11 think it would be inappropriate for the committee 12 to -- to express on the record -- if you want on 13 the record or just during -- discussion during the 14 meeting and we'll take that into consideration. 15 The minutes from this meeting and there having been 16 a recording of it are evidence enough. 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: Wonderful. All right. Thank 18 you. Any other questions or comments before we 19 begin? 20 consideration. 21 members to please try to keep your comments to five 22 minutes or less and to identify yourself prior to All right then. Let's begin our And I would, again, like to remind www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 16 1 speaking. 2 If you would, please. 3 Let's begin with Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 4 I always prefer to come after Christopher because 5 he -- he's just such a -- (inaudible) -- history 6 and I am not qualified for that. 7 I will start with -- let's see, the obverse, 8 if we can go to obverse -- yeah, Obverse 1, please. 9 Yes, thank you. I don't have very much to say 10 about this one, because it's just kind of plain and 11 I felt that we needed to have -- say something a 12 little more on the half dollar. 13 my colleague, who just spoke, about having this 14 half dollar circulated. 15 beautiful. 16 And I agree with I think that would be So that being said, I want to skip down to 17 number 3, so 3, please. Yes. To me this is 18 something very powerful about what's happened in 19 our last 250 years. 20 fills the space and that Liberty is extremely happy 21 and determined. 22 know, her hands as though she's searching -- I love the fact that the flag And the child that's with her, you www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 17 1 searching. 2 something very powerful. 3 And I think that this is -- says The -- number 4 -- 3A or 4 -- the next one, 4 yep. 3A, this is comparable and very good, but I 5 think 3 is a little more powerful. 6 flag, sort of, composition -- design, it fills -- 7 it fills the space. 8 little sandals on, you know, it's a very 9 contemporary costume. Again, the And I love that they have So congratulations to the 10 artist who, you know, proposed this -- these 11 designs. 12 We can go to number 4. I think this is great. 13 We have a lot of diversity in the children. 14 However, it's very complicated and I have sort of 15 put this one aside because of its, kind of, 16 confusion. 17 will be recognized. 18 19 20 21 22 I'm not sure if all those little people Number 5, it's just a little bit too contemporary for me. So I'm going to pass that by. And 6 is the same. I -- I like it, but I don't think it fits this particular series. Number 7, again, I think this is just a little www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 18 1 too much of a comic image. The laurel on her 2 head -- sorry Donald isn't here to speak to this, 3 but the laurel on her head kinda looks like horns. 4 So you're never going -- you're never going to 5 forget that, Michael. 6 lighting the torch is very endearing, but I don't 7 think it fits this program. But the child, you know, 8 Next, number 8, I ended up passing this by. 9 9 -- 9, it's -- it's just not very mature. 10 Liberty and the child, it's -- I think it's more 11 powerful in design number 3. 12 Number 10 -- yes, number 10. I love the fact 13 that this is an ethnic child, I think this is 14 really perfect. 15 complicated, the design isn't quite working. 16 her -- I think it's a little confusing, so I'm not 17 going with that. 18 But I also think it's a little too Now if we can go with reverse please? And Number 19 11, okay -- this number 1, I think this would be 20 great, but I think we need to say "knowledge over 21 ignorance". 22 don't think this particular design fits this It would be better. You know, we -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 19 1 purpose. 2 And the same with number 2 -- or 1A. Great. Number 2, I can understand the reason 3 for having the obvious oak tree here, but I believe 4 we have better designs. 5 Number 3. In the beginning, I really thought 6 this would pair very nicely with design number 3. 7 I like the fact that we have the different hands, 8 this diversity, a child's hand, and older person's 9 hand. This is really wonderful. But wondering if 10 we use this design we could put in "knowledge over 11 ignorance" which I think is a really important part 12 of the reverse. 13 And to skip down to number 5, please. This is 14 very simple. 15 defined that might be good. 16 this is more of a -- kind of a Native American 17 influence with feathers bursting up from the flame. 18 It makes it a little bit more interesting. 19 "Knowledge over ignorance", I think is important. 20 If the hands were a little more We can go to the next. I like the fact that This is good. I love 21 this, but it isn't as powerful to me as some of the 22 other designs. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 20 1 And 7, it's a possibility. 8, is a 2 possibility. 3 last few are possibilities, but I think it would be 4 nice, since we have used the torch in so many other 5 designs, maybe we can change. 6 Jennifer, I did not turn off my camera. 7 were able to hear me. 8 MS. WARREN: 9 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 10 11 12 13 And 9 -- or 8A, yeah. These -- these Now, I'm sorry, I hope you We were -- (crosstalk) -That's the end, thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: very much. All right, Jeanne. Thank you Kellen Hoard, if you would, please. MR. HOARD: Sure. Thank you. To me, the 14 obverse really even -- even in close question is 15 Obverse 3. 16 lives up to that intergenerational theme 17 beautifully, it's patriotic. 18 what a literal allegorical -- uses -- (inaudible) 19 -- of the half dollar well. 20 structured. 21 Liberty Coin and Medal series in part because they 22 didn't have -- (inaudible) -- and I just think it's It's exciting, it's compelling, it The perfect mix of It's beautifully We passed on this one for the American www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 21 1 wonderful and that's pretty much all I have to say 2 about that. 3 I think this is the clear choice. On the reverse, I have no superstrong 4 preferences. 5 best ties that theme of preserving Liberty 6 --(inaudible) -- probably best or maybe towards 7 Reverse 8. 8 dime with a touch of continuity, especially with -- 9 (inaudible) -- 10 Maybe toward Reverse 3, which kind of It was just kind of a -- a clean, solid The one thing I move just away from is 11 probably Reverse 1, mostly because I don't think me 12 personally or the American public is super 13 confident in the U.S. Capitol aka Congress. 14 isn't exactly leading us towards a more perfect 15 union at the moment. 16 some -- some laughter about that. 17 would probably not lean towards. 18 part I'm excited about Obverse 3 and Reverses 3 and 19 8. 20 21 22 It I think there might be So that's what I But for the most Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you very much. Annelisa Purdie, if you would, please. MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 This is Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 22 1 Annelisa Purdie, good morning everybody. Of the 2 portfolios that we've been looking at for this 3 meeting, this is the one I'm excited about the 4 most. 5 and the general enthusiasm for this coin. 6 say that there definitely is an interest in it. 7 During my outreach work with children, they were 8 fascinated by the half dollar, even though many of 9 them likely weren't around when they were I echo the excitement about the half dollar I can 10 circulating heavily. But they all did want to get 11 their hands on them. They were really -- really 12 enjoyed them. 13 exciting. 14 So these designs are really My preference for the Obverses are 3 and 3A, 15 with a general leaning more towards number 3 as 16 well. 17 movement, I love her hairstyle. 18 evocative of Langston Hughes "I, Too Sing America" 19 which I think is a necessary reminder. 20 that it gets across the overall message of trying 21 that we're trying to put in with the half dollar. 22 I kept coming back to that one. I love the expressions, I love the forward It's very www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I think Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 23 1 I also did like number 7, Obverse number 7. I 2 think that this particular design, there's -- the 3 thing about it that, sort of, put me off slightly 4 was the fact that her covering the child, she looks 5 disjointed a little bit. 6 you don't see where there -- she's connected to 7 her. 8 the child and guiding her to the next generation of 9 preservation and carefully watching over her. You see the hands, but But I do like this concept of her shielding I 10 just think that there's just some tweaking -- I 11 also agree about the horns on the -- on her hair. 12 Less Athena more Hecate, which I don't think that 13 anyone was particularly going for. 14 I also was interested in Obverse number 5. I 15 think it's very evocative in some ways of what we 16 were -- I like the style. 17 coming up for the coin -- I'm not sure that it 18 works very well for the half dollar, but the 19 overall style of emphasizing the torch and moving 20 towards Liberty, I think this is something that has 21 potential. 22 I was noticing this For the Reverses, my strong preference was www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 24 1 Reverse number 6. And this is another one that 2 when looking through the designs, I kept coming 3 back to. 4 think the activity in the back is a bit busy. 5 Because there is so much with the American flag in 6 the background, I'm not sure how well that would 7 show up on the reverse, whether it's going to be 8 recessed, whether there's some shading involved. 9 And I'm also not sure about the message of My only caveat with this one is that I 10 "knowledge being the guardian of true liberty" 11 being conveyed all the way, but I really like the 12 concept of passing the torch along. 13 My other preference for the reverse is Reverse 14 number 3. This is another one that I kept 15 reviewing, thinking back to. 16 all people working together in order to, not just 17 grow liberty, but mature it, which is necessary. 18 And it's again evocative of -- referencing a lot of 19 tree imagery lately in these portfolios. 20 like the idea of -- putting forth this message of 21 the necessity of growing the tree, of growing 22 liberty, of keeping it maintained and nurturing it. I love the concept of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 25 1 It's also very gentle -- perhaps with greater 2 definition around the edge, because the people's 3 hands do sort of blend into the outside of the 4 coin. 5 And I think that it would make an impact on others 6 too, especially if this is going to enter 7 circulation. 8 you. 9 10 11 But this one I was also very compelled by. And those are my thoughts. DR. VAN ALFEN: you very much. Thank Wonderful, Annelisa. Thank Art Bernstein, if you will. MR. BERNSTEIN: Good morning. This is Art 12 Bernstein. 13 into the specific designs. 14 something that Chris Capozzola mentioned yesterday, 15 which would apply to this coin as well as to the 16 quarters. 17 with regard to the dash between the dates. 18 just wanted to lend my support to his concept that 19 it shouldn't be a dash, it should be some other 20 kind of mark, so that it doesn't look like a born 21 and die date. 22 Two opening comments before getting I wanted to go back to I've been thinking about his comment My other comment, I just wanted to lend www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 26 1 support to the concept that April had discussed 2 which was, I would like to see this be a 3 circulating coin. 4 available to us, I'd like to support that -- that 5 concept. 6 And by whatever means we have Going to the specific designs on the obverse, 7 I heard Jeanne's comment about 1 being a little 8 simple. 9 it -- I guess it could be both, simple and elegant. I -- I found it to be elegant. I guess 10 I liked the fact that Lady Liberty is looking 11 towards the rising sun. 12 Obverse 2, I thought the Liberty figure seems 13 to be holding a crystal ball and I rejected that 14 design. 15 With regard to Obverses 3 and 3A, I also love 16 the look of 3. 17 3A. 18 child holding a torch struck me as a little 19 dangerous and unrealistic. 20 going with that design, I -- I'd head towards 21 design 3. 22 I'm a little less inclined towards As a father and a grandfather, the idea of the So I would -- if we're Annelisa mentioned an interest in design 5. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 27 1 too liked design 5 and I wanted to give credit to 2 the artist who I think followed the direction to 3 create a bold, modern style. 4 bold, modern style and I like it. 5 This is definitely a And I would say the same thing about design 6 Obverse 6. 7 sure we're ready for this boldness yet, but I do 8 support the concept. 9 10 Again, a bold, modern style. With design 7, I'm not I also saw the giant horns. With design Obverse 9, I thought it was an 11 attractive design. 12 thought that on Liberty's chest, there seems to be 13 an odd clump. 14 gown, it looked like a baseball. 15 we're going with that design, I thought the clump 16 needed a little bit of modification. 17 I was a little -- well, I just I assume it's the gathering of her And I just -- if I only have one comment with regard to the 18 reverses. And that is 1 and 1A, I've mentioned 19 this each time we looked at the quarters as well. 20 I see using historic buildings as a common theme 21 that could be on each of the reverses, and I would 22 support that concept. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 28 1 2 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: much. All right. Thank you very John Saunders, if you would, please. MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you, Peter. It's John 4 Saunders here. First, kind of, historical -- I 5 mean, not to steal Chris's thunder, but if you 6 compare our democracy with the Athenian democracy 7 or the Florence democracy or the Dutch Republic 8 democracy, ours is much more inclusive. 9 started out not being totally inclusive, but where I mean, it 10 we started was more inclusive then the ones that 11 were previously. 12 show how we expanded with Woman's Suffrage and 13 Civil Rights to make it inclusive. 14 that's kind of one half -- I kind of like something 15 that looks a little bit historic because this is -- 16 we're celebrating history here, we're not 17 celebrating, like, you know, a new invention or 18 a -- something like that. 19 traditional. 20 And as our series goes on, we So I think So I -- I'm a little bit With the designs, I thought 1 was okay, but 21 not inspiring. I thought 2 was beautiful. 22 didn't like the crystal ball. I -- I I'd prefer -- prefer www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 29 1 a book or something of that nature to symbolize 2 knowledge, but I thought the Liberty and the way it 3 was presented was beautiful. 4 hate me for this, but I like the spikes in her 5 hair. 6 And I know Don will Going -- my favorite is kind of combination 7 between 3 and 3A. I think Art saying we don't want 8 our kids playing with fire -- but I like the little 9 girl holding the torch. The other one the girl's 10 kind of got her hand up and I -- I guess she's 11 looking out, but it also could be like she's got a 12 headache. 13 Liberty's carrying the flag better in 3. 14 would be -- a combination of 3 with the girl from 15 3A, would be my super thought. So I do like the -- the way this So I 16 I think the next one's too busy. 17 I'm not quite ready for the next one, though 18 it is good. 19 O6, I think I've commented on this artist 20 before, this kind of looks like the Sphinx, it 21 looks too Egyptian to me. 22 7, I agree with -- with the 7 we'd have to get www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 30 1 rid of the horns. 2 kind of pretty. I kind of like that sun. It's 3 8 was kind of okay, but I wasn't inspired. 4 9 -- 9 was okay. 5 10, I like this for Civil Rights. I don't 6 think it's appropriate for the -- the constitution, 7 but it would be great for Civil Rights. 8 I don't think 11 works on a coin very well. 9 Going to reverses, if we don't use from the 10 quarter and -- (inaudible) -- idea I -- I kind of 11 like the Liberty Hall with the -- Independence 12 Hall, excuse me. 13 "towards a more perfect union" I would say 14 something like "knowledge is the only guardian 15 of -- of true liberty" or "knowledge over 16 ignorance" as opposed to that. 17 need for the stars. 18 I like 2. But I'd -- I'd rather than And I don't see a It reminds me of the Connecticut 19 quarter, the -- (inaudible) -- there. 20 trees, I like trees. 21 22 I like oak I think it's a nice design. 3, I thought it was too busy with all those hands in there. I -- I -- everybody else seems to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 31 1 like it, but I was -- there wasn't anything that 2 turned me on there. 3 4, I think it's too busy. 4 5, is kind of okay. 5 6, I think is too busy. 6 And then of the torches I like 8 better than 7 7 or 8A. 8 So my thought on the reverse should be either 9 the Independence Hall, the oak tree, or the torch. 10 And on the obverse, I think 3 is hands down the 11 winner, but I would rather see the girl with a 12 torch or doing something other than having her hand 13 to her head. 14 without her hand to her head, I -- I would prefer 15 that. 16 17 18 I mean, even if it's just walking Thank you very much. DR. VAN ALFEN: Thanks, John. Thank you. Sam Gelberd, if you would, please. MR. GELBERD: Thank you, Peter. This is Sam 19 Gelberd. Before I begin, I just wanted to say -- 20 how we were discussing about whether or not the 21 half dollar is truly designed for circulation. 22 know it doesn't really circulate widely amongst the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 We Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 32 1 American public. 2 able to come up with designs that are very powerful 3 and effective, we may be able to sway the public's 4 opinion about using this as actual money. 5 that's kind of what I'm hoping for. 6 But I'm optimistic that if we are So And in accord with the theme, you know, 7 "knowledge over ignorance", Obverse design 1, it's 8 very simple and elegant as Art said and a couple 9 others have stated. It just -- I think it misses 10 the mark if what we're going for is a more modern 11 interpretation. 12 With that being said, I really enjoyed Obverse 13 number 2. 14 that the artist is trying to go for a halo effect 15 -- trying to guard, you know, the young sapling of 16 an oak with the acorn. 17 bit like a crystal ball, so maybe that element 18 could be replaced. 19 beautiful design. 20 translate well to a half dollar size coin. 21 22 I love the layout of it. I understand It does come off a little But just overall, just elegant, I think it would really Obverse 3 and 3A, it's tough to argue against them. They are gorgeous. I prefer 3A if only for www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 33 1 the reason that the "In God We Trust" and the dual 2 date are in exergue, underneath that line. 3 like that look, you don't see it enough on too many 4 modern United States coins. 5 earlier and a couple of others have alluded to 6 with -- the way the flag fills the space on design 7 3, I really do like that. 8 maybe hybrid thereof -- of both of those coins 9 maybe would work. 10 I do But as Jeanne said So as John just said, Obverse 4, it's a little bit too cutesy for 11 me. 12 and I'm still not sure why there's the Corinthian 13 helmet in there, but -- yeah, I wasn't a big fan of 14 that. 15 I understand the idea. It's a little bit busy Regarding the modern designs of 5, 6, 7, and 16 8, 5 I agree, very powerful. 17 we're ready for that. Just not sure if 18 6, wasn't a huge fan of. 19 7, there is no getting past the horns. I 20 think we all pretty much felt that that was the 21 feel there, but I really do like the layout. 22 love the Art Deco font. So 7 maybe with some www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 34 1 rework of -- of the laurel wreath especially, it 2 maybe could happen. 3 Design 8, not a big fan. 4 Design 9, read kind of strange. It's almost 5 like a dancing Liberty half dollar. 6 that would really work too well. 7 that would be received by the collecting public 8 very well. 9 Wasn't sure if I don't think Design 13 -- I'm sorry, design 10, I also 10 agree that might be better received on the Civil 11 Rights Quarter. 12 albeit a little busy with the background. 13 So maybe we reserve it for that, Obverse 11, not for me. I get the not so 14 subtle symbolism of the torch being passed. Just 15 kind of came off a little corny for my tastes. 16 That's just personal opinion. 17 With the reverses, I understand with Reverse 1 18 and 1A, especially with Reverse 1, how we're trying 19 to say "toward a more perfect union." I can't get 20 past what Kellen said, seeing the Capitol dome and 21 saying we're trying to go toward a more perfect 22 union. So maybe if we did replace that inscription www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 35 1 with something to the effect of "knowledge over 2 ignorance". 3 them, I'd be okay either way. 4 And the stars, take them or leave I did like Reverse 2 with the young oak tree. 5 I'm not exactly sure exactly what the book it's 6 growing out of -- the words may be a little bit 7 tricky to read, even on a larger size coin like a 8 half dollar. 9 think it fills the space very well even with But I do like trees on coins, I do 10 Liberty being as large as it is. 11 great on a half dollar sized coin. 12 Reverse 4, I do love eagles on our coins, just 13 not a big fan of this one. 14 in my opinion. 15 I think it's Reads a bit strangely Reverse 5 is pretty clean. It's simple. I do 16 like a bit more of the Native American theme there, 17 but I don't like it if we paired it with Obverse 2 18 or -- or I'm sorry, Obverse 2 or 3A. 19 Reverse 6 is very patriotic. It's a better 20 rendition of a torch being passed as opposed to 21 Obverse 11 for sure, just not sure if it's the 22 right one to go with. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 36 1 2 Reverse 7, it just fills the space way too much to me. 3 It just swallows the entire reverse. That's why I think the clear winner would be 4 Reverse 8. I just love the way it's laid out as 5 opposed to 8A, where it says "knowledge" at the 6 base of the torch. 7 the motto as well as the denomination in 8A, but I 8 think Reverse 8 just really shows it better. 9 don't like the sentence fragment in 8A, so I think I do love the positioning of 10 it would lose something there. 11 had to lend up [sic] with this portfolio. 12 you, Peter. 13 14 DR. VAN ALFEN: And that's what I Wonderful, Sam. Thank Thank you. Mike Moran, if you would, please. 15 16 I MR. MORAN: Peter. Thought you'd lost me there, This is Mike Moran. 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: 18 MR. MORAN: Don't worry. I know. With the exception of the 19 stylistic power, all the obverses have really been 20 well executed. I agree with everybody, 3 and 3A 21 are standouts. I also feel like 3 is better than 22 3A. I suspect this one is going to get chosen when www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 37 1 we get through with everything in October. 2 only caution I have is that the figures being stuck 3 in such a way that they stand out against that 4 flag, otherwise the little girl's hand might get 5 lost and what would otherwise be negative space on 6 3. 7 The But it -- it's a clear winner. I also want to point out that 10 is good. I 8 like it. 9 a quarter, particularly with the background designs 10 11 It is a bit busy, if we downsize it into there. And 2, featuring an oak sprout seems to me 12 inappropriate for the half dollar theme "looking 13 forward". 14 Turning to the reverse, the Capitol dome, I 15 agree with everybody else, it seems inappropriate. 16 It wasn't even completed until 1864. 17 Again, I have trouble here with the planting 18 of the oak sappling. 19 that we're planting an oak sappling after 250 years 20 of nation. 21 22 It just doesn't seem right It just doesn't make sense to me. And finally on 8A, Sam just touched on it. You put "knowledge" on the base of that torch, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 38 1 nobody will see it. 2 the -- the perimeter of the coin and the key 3 subject matter's missing. 4 won't -- (inaudible) -- won't work. 5 Peter. 6 DR. VAN ALFEN: 7 very much. 8 would, please. You have a half phrase on So that won't -- that That's it, All right, Mike. Thank you Dr. Christopher Capozzola, if you 9 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 10 This is Chris Capozzola. 11 last actually, because some of you see things 12 that -- that I don't otherwise see. 13 actually going to be aligned with much of what has 14 been said already, so I will be brief. 15 and again, you know, I feel like I'm trying to make 16 a virtue of the fact that this is a circulating and 17 not quite circulating coin and that it's a 18 little -- and that it's larger; right? 19 quarter; right? 20 you would in a quarter or a dime. 21 22 All right. Good morning. It's a pleasure to go But I'm On the -- Then You can get some more detail than For me on the obverse is, I -- my preference is also for -- for 3. And this is, you know, one www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 39 1 that we've talked about and seen before. I think 2 it's -- you know, I think it's a fantastic design 3 for the reasons Jeanne laid out at the beginning. 4 I think it's -- it works well as the third vision 5 of Liberty in this series. 6 chronologically speaking, it's forward-looking. 7 You know, maybe you could tweak the little girl's 8 hand a little bit, but I do -- I prefer the hand to 9 the -- to the torch. And just It just really clearly 10 communicates that it's looking forward. 11 that -- you know, that's my -- that's my number 12 one. 13 And so I would also draw some attention to Obverse 1. 14 I really like it. 15 thought it all through, if it would work on -- on a 16 different quarter, you know, on one of the 17 quarters. 18 Liberty's yesterday, I think it's just a really, 19 you know, a nice, clean design. 20 you know, is a good feature there as well. 21 just wanted to draw some attention to that. 22 I actually wonder, and I haven't When we looked at some of the other I think the sun, So I And then also I'm going to give a lot of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 40 1 points to O5, Obverse 5. And, you know, we've 2 wanted to go with a bold modern design that 3 doesn't -- you know, that shakes people up, it 4 draws their attention, but doesn't get out ahead of 5 where they might be aesthetically or historically. 6 And I think actually, like, this artist nailed it. 7 And, you know, maybe it won't happen on this half 8 dollar, but, you know, I think this is exactly the 9 kind of thing that we have been waiting -- waiting 10 to see. 11 visual vocabulary without -- you know, and bring -- 12 and bring the American public along to that -- in 13 that vocabulary along the way. 14 will say about the obverses. 15 For some who can bring that different So basically all I On the reverses, obviously I'll -- I'll start 16 with 1 and 1A. Having, you know, endorsed them 17 on -- for other coins, I think they could also work 18 here. 19 that Independence Hall makes the most sense for 20 forward-looking, which is the third of the three, 21 you know, sort of dime -- dime, quarter, half -- 22 half dollar sort of approach or any of the other Although, oddly maybe not. I don't know www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 41 1 places we might use it. 2 hundred percent sure that it -- that it would work 3 for the half dollar. 4 it's quite successful. 5 6 And so I'm just not a But obviously as a design, I thought, certainly, 3 works. And I -- and I think I support that. 7 I also support O -- (inaudible) -- O 6, this 8 Obverse 6. This is, you know, used as an aesthetic 9 like the dime reverse 5, like some of the 10 Constitution quarters. It could be worth keeping 11 in the mix as we think about, you know, just sort 12 of aesthetic unity across the whole 13 Semiquincentennial portfolio. 14 And then, I'll just second what others, I 15 think Sam said most clearly and most recently. 16 works but not 8A in terms of the word, you know, 17 "knowledge" gets hidden on 8A. 18 torches in 7, 8, and 8A, I prefer 8. 19 you. 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: 8 I think of the All right, Chris. And so, thank Thank you 21 very much. For my own comments, I have to say, I 22 really find the half dollar to be a really cool www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 42 1 coin in the hands. 2 coin produced at least since the Eisenhower dollars 3 of my youth, you know, dropped out of circulation. 4 I think that most people who do get a half dollar 5 in hands rejoice when they do so and do spend a few 6 moments looking over the coin, perhaps more so than 7 the quarters and dimes. 8 that is worthwhile trying to push this coin into 9 circulation in 2026 as much as possible. 10 You know, it is the largest You know, so I do think And also to go with just wonderful exceptional 11 designs, I don't have a whole lot to add to what 12 has already been said. I find Obverse 3 to be a -- 13 a clear winner choice. I think that this is an 14 exceptional design. 15 of the mother and child as the future, I love the 16 flag, big and bold as it is there. 17 I love it. I love the imagery I think it would pair very well with Reverse 18 6. I really do quite like Reverse 6. 19 half dollar would be really quite impressive. 20 know, the flag as it carries from the obverse to 21 the reverse and then the hands of -- of perhaps an 22 older person handing the torch to a younger person, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I think on a You Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 43 1 you know, would reflect the obverse as well. 2 I also had no problem with Reverses 8 and 8A. 3 I -- just in closing, I also want to mention that I 4 do find Obverse 10 actually also to be really quite 5 compelling. 6 I'm just not sure it would be as appropriate for 7 this portfolio. 8 further discussion about this portfolio before we 9 score it? 10 11 So with that said, do we have any MR. SAUNDERS: I don't know if my hand went up, but -- 12 13 I really liked the design elements, DR. VAN ALFEN: No, John. You're still muted. So -- so whatever glitch is happening there just -- 14 MR. SAUNDERS: I'm going to echo what I think 15 Annelisa said, particularly on the obverse. The 16 Mint really needs -- should be complemented for 17 these obverse designs of the half dollars. 18 you know, a couple people made comments with some 19 of the other coins, they were a little disappointed 20 with this or that. 21 here. 22 So congratulations to the Mint. I -- I, I don't see any disappointment I mean, I could've liked almost all of them. And I also echo www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 44 1 what you say about getting the half dollar into 2 circulation. 3 but maybe the Mint and/or some officials can talk 4 to companies like Walmart or other good retailers 5 to have a program -- they were doing the -- the 6 bicentennial coins -- would like for you to use 7 that, take the half dollars and use them. 8 get, you know, 10, 12, big retailers doing that 9 you -- you got a pretty good distribution there. I don't know how you'd do it, but -- But you 10 And there may be some other ways of doing it too so 11 I -- (inaudible) -- those comments. 12 DR. VAN ALFEN: Well, thanks, John. 13 good. 14 score the half dollar portfolio. 15 a break. 16 minutes? 17 Very So what we will do at this point then is We will then take Greg, do you think you'll need 10 or 15 MR. WEINMAN: I think it should -- give me 10 18 minutes to score -- or to compile the scores for 19 the half dollar and then we'll be ready to go and 20 we can talk about what all this scoring looks like. 21 22 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. That sounds good. the Committee will know score the obverse and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 45 1 reverse design candidates for the 2026 2 Seminquincentennial Half Dollar. 3 everyone should have your score sheets and please 4 do send them to Greg by email if you're able. 5 once we return from our break at the top of the 6 hour at 11:00 o'clock, Greg will present not just 7 the scores from this portfolio, but all of the 8 portfolios that we reviewed yesterday. 9 then have a discussion about the Semiquincentennial 10 program as a whole. 11 minutes. And once again, And And we will So I will see you in ten 12 (Break from 10:50 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.) 13 DR. VAN ALFEN: So we are back. I recognize 14 Greg Weinman, counsel to the CCAC to present the 15 results from the scoring sheets. 16 Greg. 17 MR. WEINMAN: If you're ready, Do you want to start with the 18 half dollar or do you want to go all the way back 19 to the dime? 20 21 22 DR. VAN ALFEN: Let's go all the way back to the dime. MR. WEINMAN: Okay. So -- so let's begin with www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 46 1 the dime that we reviewed yesterday. 2 you're all ready. 3 1 -- this was out of a possible 33 points. 4 Yesterday everybody attended so out of a possible 5 33 points. 6 Tell me if Obverse is first, Obverse number Design number 1 received 25 points making it 7 the high-scoring design. Number -- Obverse 2 8 received 24 points, very close behind. 9 number 3 received 12, Obverse number 4 received 12, Obverse 10 Obverse number 5 received 10, Obverse number 6 11 received 14 points. 12 Moving on to the dime reverses. Reverse 13 number 1 received 21 points, making it the high 14 vote-getter. 15 behind in the scoring. 16 10, Reverse 3A received 4, Reverse 4 received 4, 17 and Reverse 5 received 11 points. 18 dime. 19 Declaration of Independence quarter? Reverse number 2 received 20, close That is the Do you want to move forward to the 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: 21 MR. WEINMAN: 22 Reverse number 3 received possible 33 points. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. Once again, out of a Design number -- obverse, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 47 1 obverse is first. 2 points making it the high vote-getter. 3 Obverse 2 received 8, Obverse 3 received 14, 4 Obverse 4 received 8, Obverse 5 received 7, Obverse 5 6 received 6, Obverse 7 received 6, Obverse 8 6 received 5, Obverse 9 received 13, and Obverse 10 7 received 5 points. 8 9 Obverse number 1 received 25 Moving on to the reverses. received 16. Number 2 -- Reverse number 1 Reverse number 1A received 20, making 10 it the high vote-getter tied with another one, 11 which I will get to in a moment. 12 received 9, 2A received 12, 3 received 17, 4 13 received 9, 5 received 4. 14 20 points. 15 8, 4 points. 16 points. Reverse 11, 4 points. 17 points. Reverse 12A received 5 points and Reverse 18 13 received 6 points. Reverse 9, 9 points. DR. VAN ALFEN: 20 MR. WEINMAN: 22 Reverse 6 also received Reverse 7 received 12 points, Reverse 19 21 Reverse number 2 Reverse 10, 9 Reverse 12, 3 All good? Yep. Do you want to move on to the other quarter or do you want to go back -DR. VAN ALFEN: -- (Crosstalk) -- platinum. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 48 1 MR. WEINMAN: Do platinum first, okay. In 2 this case once again, out of a possible 33 points. 3 Platinum number 1 received 11 points, 1A received 4 14 points, 2 received 12 points, 3 received 6 5 points, 3A received 17 points making it the 6 high-scoring design. 7 received 9 points, 5A received 14 points, 6 8 received 3 points, 7 received 3 points. 9 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: MR. WEINMAN: 4 received 7 points, 5 All right. We will go toward the 11 Constitution quarter. 12 possible 33 points. 13 received 24 points, making it the high-scoring 14 design. 15 received 7 points, Obverse 4 received 12 points, 16 Obverse 5 received 1 point, Obverse 6 received 2 17 points, Obverse 7 received 18 points, Obverse 8 18 received 11 points, and Obverse 9 received 10 19 points. 20 Once again, out of a Obverse is first. Obverse 1 Obverse 2 received 16 points, Obverse 3 Moving onto the reverses. Reverse 1 received 21 10 points, Reverse 1A received 13 points, Reverse 2 22 received 15 points, Reverse 3 received 10 points, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 49 1 Reverse 4 received 18 points, Reverse 4A received 2 15 points, Reverse 5 received 19 points, making it 3 the highest-scoring design along with another 4 one -- tied, coming up. 5 points, Reverse 6 also received 19 points. 6 7 received 4 points, Reverse 8 received 10 points, 7 Reverse 8A received 12 points, Reverse 9 received 8 6, Reverse 10 received 8, and Reverse 11 received 2 9 points. Reverse 5A received 13 Reverse Are you ready to move to the half? 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: 11 MR. WEINMAN: Yes, we are. Okay. Once again, this is -- 12 this would be out of 27 -- possible 27 points. 13 We're missing two scorers, missing Mr. Scarinci and 14 Dr. Fuller, so out of 27 possible points. 15 the obverses. 16 Obverse 2 received 7 points, Obverse 3, the 17 high-scoring design received 24 points. 18 received 19 points, Obverse 4 received 6 points, 19 Obverse 5 received 11 points, Obverse 6 received 8 20 points, Obverse 7 received 8 points, Obverse 8 21 received 3 points, Obverse 9 received 5 points, 22 Obverse 10 received 7 points, and Obverse 11 First Obverse 1 received 10 points, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Obverse 3A Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 50 1 2 received 3 points. Moving to the reverses. Reverse 1 received 14 3 points, Reverse 1A received 13 points, Reverse 2 4 received 10 points, Reverse 3 received 12 points, 5 Reverse 4 received 4 points, Reverse 5 received 8 6 points, Reverse 6 received 16 points, making it the 7 high-scoring design along with another. 8 received 5 points, Reverse 8 also received 16 9 points, and 8A received 3 points. 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: Fantastic. Reverse 7 Thank you, Greg, 11 very much for all of this. And again, since we are 12 not asked to make recommendations on these 13 portfolios at this time, the scores are simply 14 going to be used as a tool for the Mint to gauge 15 what will go forward into the portfolios that we 16 will review again in October. 17 don't want to dwell a great deal on the scores 18 themselves since the scores are what they are at 19 this time. 20 raise a number of questions, and have some 21 discussions along the lines of these questions, 22 pertaining to some of the issues that were raised So at this time, I What I would like to do, however, is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 51 1 yesterday. 2 presentation of Liberty on the obverse of -- of the 3 coins. 4 And mostly these have to do with the Donald yesterday raised the question about 5 accoutrements in the hair, you know, the various 6 wreaths and crowns and things of the sort. 7 like to just have a brief discussion about that 8 very issue to see what the rest of the committee 9 feels about that. I would Donald, again, was adamantly 10 against any sort of hair accoutrements, but I would 11 like to hear from the rest of the Committee about 12 their thoughts on that. 13 just go down the list, I'm more than happy just to 14 have people raise their hands and offer their 15 thoughts on that. 16 MR. HOARD: And we will -- rather than Kellen? Yes. I really don't have a 17 problem with it inherently, having anything in the 18 hair. 19 done on the dime Obverse 1, where we saw that kind 20 of really kind of nice coronet. 21 I think that fit seamlessly into the design, it 22 wasn't distracting, it actually added positively to In fact, I think it was really tastefully I like that style. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 52 1 the design and made it more clear about what it's 2 about. 3 perfectly and I think the design actually would be 4 lesser off without it. 5 (inaudible) where the head piece is way too much. 6 Like they did on the half dollar portfolio, where 7 it almost -- looked like horns; right? 8 be -- you know, stylistically it could be fitting 9 or not, there's a negative or positive with each To me --(inaudible) -- of hey, that works But there are -- It can 10 rendition and -- (inaudible) -- as case-by-case 11 rather than seeking an overall design aesthetic 12 that excludes it altogether. 13 adds positively or not. 14 any broad -- (inaudible) -- about whether we should 15 include them or not. 16 design. 17 18 19 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: Whether it actually So I -- I wouldn't make Just simply take it design by All right. Thank you, Kellen. Anyone else? MR. SAUNDERS: Again, my hand doesn't work so I'll -- 21 DR. VAN ALFEN: 22 MR. SAUNDERS: Yeah, please John, go ahead. Sure. I'm kind of in agreement www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 53 1 with Kellen. I think it often adds to things. I 2 would be three quarters away to continue what we're 3 doing and one quarter maybe cut it back a little. 4 But I do think we should give everybody warnings 5 about horns, and some of them could look like a 6 unicorn, unless you want the unicorn look. 7 things that -- there's one quarter design I think 8 that had the -- (inaudible) -- cap and you couldn't 9 really see the cap and I wasn't sure where the hair And 10 or the -- the helmet was. 11 busy up there. 12 stuff in the hair. 13 they were used in classical figures. 14 Liberty obviously and classical figures add stuff 15 in here very frequently so I -- I'm not against it. But generally speaking, I like I mean, it's -- lots of times 16 All right, John. 17 I see your hand is raised. 18 It was a little bit too DR. CAPOZZOLA: You know, Thank you very much. Chris, Yeah, just briefly, you know, 19 seconding Kellen's "it depends" conclusion. 20 think -- part of what I think Donald was conveying 21 yesterday is that if overall women appear on our 22 coins only in these kind of allegorical kind of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 54 1 stylistic ways, that's -- that's not great. 2 think that -- you know, that obverse on the half 3 dollar that we just saw, I think it addresses that 4 across the portfolio. 5 value in hairpieces to convey this is Lady Liberty, 6 especially if we're breaking her out of other molds 7 of -- of robes and so on and so forth. 8 it's really up to the artist, I think. 9 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: And I But there are -- there is a All right. So I think Thank you. Jeanne, your hand was raised? 11 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes. Thank you, 12 Mr. Chairman. I think we need to think about what 13 the purpose of a hat is. 14 it is a piece of clothing that is protective of the 15 head. 16 tiaras, I think that there is all kind of reasons 17 to have adornment in the -- on the head. 18 our one Lady Liberty where the dates were in her 19 hair, that was a beautiful rendition of Liberty. 20 And if she had a band with the dates on her hair, 21 it would have read a little -- it would have read 22 easily -- or more easily. It often denotes status, You know, cowboys wear hats, queens wear And in So I think we need to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 55 1 remember what a headpiece is for. I think Donald 2 forgets that we need a hat to protect ourselves 3 from the rain, from the mosquitoes, from the ticks 4 that are falling from the skies. I think it's 5 important -- important. 6 predecessor who said each design is for itself. 7 And yes, let the artist decide. 8 disregard the headpiece. 9 DR. VAN ALFEN: So I agree with my But please do not Thank you. All right. Wonderful, Jeanne. 10 Any other comments on this particular issue? 11 Arthur, your hand was raised? 12 MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes, thank you. This is 13 Arthur Bernstein. 14 issue. 15 headbands. 16 some of the designs placed too much emphasis on the 17 hairstyle. 18 think I referred to myself as anti-hairdo. 19 I -- I saw that as a related issue to the one that 20 Donald raised. 21 22 I wanted to speak to a related I have no problem with hats, tiaras, What I spoke to yesterday was I thought That there was too much hair and I DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you, Art. And As somebody who has about the same amount of hair as you do, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 56 1 I'm sure that this isn't much of a problem that we 2 face, but -- all right. 3 particular issue? 4 the use of 250, the number 250. 5 Chris raised this yesterday as something that 6 might, in fact, be very useful and on this 7 particular series of coins, the Semiquincentennial 8 particularly, because there would be dramatic 9 changes in many of the coinages across the board 10 and to underscore to the general population what 11 all this is about, 250 represented prominently 12 either on the obverse or reverse might be a way to 13 convey what is special about that. 14 is raised? 15 apparently you can't overcome the mute with just 16 your voice. 17 Any other comments on this There was another question about You're muted. MR. MORAN: I believe that Mike, your hand And unlike John, I got it. I'm the one that raised 18 that the first I think. I particularly don't want 19 it on the dime, because the dime doesn't have the 20 room to put on there. 21 can do the math between 2026 and 1776 to come up 22 with 250. I'm sorry that our people I just -- I don't think it adds www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 57 1 anything. And in the dime, I don't think the dime 2 has the space to carry it. 3 the quarter and the half dollar, but please don't 4 put it on the dime. 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: I can live with it on That's it. Right. Thank you, Mike. 6 other comments on this particular question? 7 Jeanne? 8 9 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes. Thank you. was a comment on the dash between the years. Any There And I 10 don't -- I think if we used a bullet or a period 11 that's not going to make too much sense. 12 if we use an underlaying dash? 13 a wave and it would be more -- a more continuing 14 process. 15 end years, but something that continued through 16 those years. 17 you. 18 19 20 But what So it would be like So that it wasn't like the end or book Hopefully -- (inaudible) -- thank DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. Kellen, your hand is raised? MR. HOARD: Yeah. If I remember correctly, 21 for the cent and the nickel we did an underlaying 22 dash as well and so there might be some level of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 58 1 continuity there to actually have that across the 2 design if I remember correctly about -- (inaudible) 3 -- 4 5 6 DR. VAN ALFEN: Wonderful. Mike, was your hand raised again? MR. MORAN: It was, but Jeanne took care of 7 it -- or Kellen did with the underlaying dash, 8 whichever. 9 and the nickel, which it is. 10 11 I thought it was that way on the penny We need to be consistent. DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Thank you. Any 12 other comments on this particular question then? 13 All right. 14 also a question raised yesterday about whether or 15 not Liberty should be facing right or left, and 16 there were some voices expressed firmly in support 17 of left facing, others more facing towards the 18 right. 19 comments on that very question and whether or not 20 any of the Committee members feel particularly 21 strongly about which way Liberty faces on -- on 22 these coins. Let's return to Liberty. There was And I would like to get some further www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 59 1 MR. SAUNDERS: I think Liberty looks all 2 around at everything and I think it's up to the 3 artist. 4 5 6 DR. VAN ALFEN: Take it straight on -- (inaudible) -MR. MORAN: Peter, this is Mike. In the 19th 7 century when you had the tiaras or the diadems of 8 Liberty, reading from right to left it made sense 9 for it to start at the top of her head and go down. 10 So Liberty was always looking to the left. 11 don't really have that here. 12 got to be the left. 13 no reason to worry about it, whichever way she 14 looks. 15 16 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: You If we do, then it's And other than that, there's Thank you, Mike. Sam, your hand was raised? MR. GELBERD: Hi, Peter. Yeah, this is Sam 18 Gelberd. Yesterday I did mention a couple of times 19 where I thought on some of the earlier quarter 20 designs where Liberty should perhaps be facing 21 toward England, only because of the symbolism of -- 22 that was our direct conflict throughout the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 60 1 revolution. 2 facing any direction. 3 the artist ultimately. 4 But again, yeah, Liberty could be DR. VAN ALFEN: I think it should be up to All right. Thank you, Sam. 5 Any other comments on -- on this question of which 6 way Liberty should be facing or might be facing -- 7 could be facing? 8 MS. PURDIE: 9 Annalisa Purdie. Annalisa, your hand was raised? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is I also think that it depends on 10 the overall composition of the coin itself. 11 don't have a particular preference for which way 12 Liberty's facing as long as the overall message 13 gets across. 14 decision and decide that she looks best to the left 15 or the right, that's one thing. But overall, I 16 think it depends on the design. Thank you. 17 I For continuity, if we come to a DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Thank you. Any 18 other comments on -- on this particular question? 19 Right. 20 April explains, as she was introducing many of the 21 portfolios yesterday, that the conceptual -- or the 22 concept behind this series of coins, the dime, the Moving up to the next question. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So as Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 61 1 five quarters, and the half dollar, would in many 2 ways reflect a sort of progression. 3 you know, would be the spark, liberty over tyranny, 4 moving on that into points of inflection, and then 5 finally the future with the half dollar. So the dime, 6 So one of the questions raised -- or we 7 discussed this a little bit yesterday, but one -- 8 one question I do want to bring up is whether or 9 not Liberty -- as she is presented on the dime and 10 then the quarters, and then on the half dollar, 11 whether or not that Liberty should also reflect 12 some sort of progression as well. 13 understanding is that with the dime, for example, 14 the artists were instructed to present a Liberty 15 that was perhaps a little bit more intense, a 16 little bit more purposeful. 17 quarters then would be perhaps a little bit more 18 mature. 19 would then be something looking more towards the 20 future. 21 would we want to support that sort of progression 22 of Liberty's -- progression of expressions, you So my The Liberty on the And then the Liberty on the half dollar So the question here then is, do we -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 62 1 know, as it were, from say a more intense mature to 2 something that looks forward a little bit more? 3 Or -- or perhaps more of a commonplace expression 4 on all of the Liberty's. 5 your hand is raised? 6 MR. HOARD: Yes. And Kellen, I see that Thank you. I would say we 7 go for both of them potentially. I think beyond 8 the members in this room and the artists, not one 9 person's going to know about that progression 10 that's happening. They're going to be viewing the 11 coins discreetly and aren't necessarily going to 12 see that. 13 should really just prioritize generally choosing 14 the best version of Liberty for each individual 15 design. 16 individually rather than a series, like we still 17 don't even know how much the half dollar's going to 18 circulate. I think when we -- I think also we So I -- because people experience it quite I think we just go with each. 19 Another thing I would add kind of aside there 20 is I think the issue we ran into with the dime and 21 some other designs was that the intensity was 22 interpreted not that way. Or resolve was www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 63 1 interpreted not that way. 2 you know, say hey, we really want to focus on that, 3 prioritizing that, we end up with some designs that 4 haven't -- (inaudible) -- well, so yeah. 5 just move away from them, that idea of a 6 progression, if it interferes with our choosing the 7 best designs. 8 way. 9 And so I think when we, I would No one else will see that in that DR. VAN ALFEN: Wonderful. Thank you, Kellen. 10 Any other comments on... all right. 11 has their -- Annalisa. Well, somebody Yes, please. 12 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is 13 Annalisa Purdie. 14 I think that if we're looking in terms of a 15 progression, then that would put pressure to choose 16 different styles that fit the overall theme and 17 don't necessarily convey the messages or don't 18 necessarily speak to us, especially if a particular 19 artist has a style that doesn't necessarily reflect 20 something else that we like. 21 overall should take precedence. 22 is some sort of continuity people are able to see, I agree 100 percent with Kellen. And the best design If by chance there www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 64 1 then that's great as well, but I wouldn't put any 2 undue pressure on anyone to feel that we have to 3 choose this particular design to fit with the 4 overall set. 5 6 Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: Yeah, thank you, Annelisa. April, your hand was raised? 7 MS. STAFFORD: Yes. Thank you. I just, 8 obviously, I agree completely with Kellen and 9 Annelisa. Our goal always in offering assignments 10 to artists are to give them the least amount of 11 constraints and see what they -- what they come up 12 with. 13 it as an opportunity, is that we are going back out 14 to those artists for revisions. 15 Committee's views on these it's -- we're not 16 asking -- this isn't necessarily a -- an or, but 17 this could be an and. 18 seeing, the direction that -- that you have 19 responded positively in, in our discussions as well 20 as scoring, that will remain. 21 out to the artist, the opportunities that we have 22 for them developing a version that might give, you In this instance what's unusual, and we see And so the So the designs that you're But in going back www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 65 1 know, a more complete picture -- or, you know, to 2 have your cake and eat it too so to speak. 3 know, where we can connect these things. 4 want to necessarily miss that -- that opportunity. 5 So I think that's -- I would just share that 6 with -- with the Committee. You We don't 7 Yes, these coins will be seen individually, 8 but we are conceiving them as -- as a suite, not 9 just the five quarters but the entirety of the 10 series. 11 And so if there is a potential there to have a 12 through line, given that we're restoring Liberty, 13 bringing Liberty to circulating coins for the first 14 time in -- in a generation at least, it's just 15 something that we wanted to ask the community, if 16 there's something there -- if there is something 17 there that is an opportunity that again, have an 18 art -- have the artist explore a version to go in a 19 particular way. 20 directions altogether. 21 22 And the themes, obviously, are connected. But not to replace, not to change DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you, April. to comment on April's comments there? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Anyone want Kellen, your Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 66 1 hand is raised? 2 MR. HOARD: Thank you. This is less with 3 regard to the particular themes and more in regard 4 to the scoring we just got from Greg and how that 5 implicates the opportunity to go back and revise. 6 There's something I noticed is that several of our 7 high scores barely clear 15 points. 8 some they're barely clearing like half of the total 9 points that can be allocated. You know, in To me, that's a bit 10 of an indicator that there maybe is more room for a 11 revision or review there -- for like Mint time 12 spent -- I know there's limited time in the day. 13 And so for my part at least, for some of these 14 portfolios which, you know, the high scores were 15 barely clearing 15 or, you know, half -- barely 16 clearing half of the points, I would ask that the 17 Mint maybe emphasize time and revision and focus on 18 those, over the ones that were scoring, you know, 19 27, 28 points. 20 my end. 21 22 But that's just -- that's just on DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you, Kellen. have one other question -- oh, Arthur. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I do Your hand Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 67 1 2 is raised? MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes. 3 Bernstein. 4 besides Lady Liberty now? This is Arthur Are we talking about other subjects 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: We will in a moment. 6 MR. BERNSTEIN: Okay. 7 DR. VAN ALFEN: I -- I had one more question 8 about Liberty and then I will have -- just open it 9 up for other comments. So my final question within 10 about Liberty -- and this is a point that Chris 11 Capozzola made yesterday, that we are replacing 12 Washington on the quarter, Roosevelt on the dime, 13 and Kennedy on the half dollar. 14 to be a major change in US coinage, you know, the 15 first time in generations, in fact 100 years, if 16 I'm correct, that Liberty has appeared on US 17 coinage. 18 and Liberty, obviously, is going to have to be 19 something special on the obverse of these coins. 20 And so the question here then is, do we want to try 21 to find some sort of continuity between the various 22 Libertys that appear on these coins or do we want And this is going So this is a major and significant change www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 68 1 Liberty to appear as she is, individually, on the 2 coins? 3 sort of commonality across the Libertys on the 4 coins or not? 5 you're muted. 6 In other words, do we want there to be some Mike, your hand is raised? MR. MORAN: And Got my hand up but didn't put the 7 microphone on. We've had commonality in the past 8 and in the 19th century and we broke that mold in 9 1960. We don't need to go back. 10 more, the better. 11 continuity. 12 13 14 DR. VAN ALFEN: else? And I think the I'm definitely against Wonderful, thank you. Anyone Chris, your hand is raised? DR. CAPOZZOLA: Yeah. So I mean -- I guess 15 since I spoke about this yesterday, all I'm going 16 to say is I don't -- I'm not sure that continuity 17 is necessarily the solution to -- to -- and I'm not 18 sure that it's a problem -- I'm not saying it's a 19 problem. 20 the quarter portfolio in particular overall, 21 because there will be five of them. 22 five different obverses, that's an awful lot to I'm just saying we need to think about www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 If we have Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 69 1 communicate and to -- to people who are just 2 getting change in their pockets. 3 that's something that I think the artists can -- 4 can handle. 5 yesterday and here today. 6 you, Chris. 8 question? 9 But I just wanted to raise that DR. VAN ALFEN: 7 And so, you know, All right. Wonderful. Thank Any other comments on that particular All right. MR. HOARD: Kellen, your hand is raised? Sorry, I -- Chris's comment just 10 brought something up in me that I haven't 11 considered before and I'm just curious, you know, 12 if there's any thoughts on this. 13 having five different obverse and reverse designs 14 in one year on a quarter, I'm not necessarily 15 opposed to that, but that, you know, in terms of 16 actually making it clear to the public that this 17 all one denomination -- I'm not sure ever in our 18 history had [sic] that, you know, variety with one 19 denomination in one year, especially out of nowhere 20 for the public, completely unfamiliar with changing 21 the coin designs. 22 again, this idea just came to me, of having either But in terms of And so I would be open to it -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 70 1 a common obverse or a reverse in order actually 2 indicate hey, this is the same denomination. 3 to have some kind of visual quick -- for the people 4 using this in quick commerce. 5 confusion levels. 6 DR. VAN ALFEN: And And just to lower Well, thank you for that. And 7 I'm not sure how -- if that would be possible from 8 the five different themes, but we shall see. 9 Jeanne, your hand is raised? 10 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: And you're muted. Thank you. This is 11 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman and I agree with Kellen 12 about having maybe one -- one face that -- you 13 know, universal face on -- on the quarters. 14 know, we choose one theme, because the reverse is 15 going to, you know, be complicated. 16 to have a presentation of obverse and reverses and 17 then from that choose one -- one reverse or obverse 18 that's going to, you know, help commerce. 19 think that Kellen has a good point. 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. You It might help And I Thank you. Before I open it 21 up just to general discussion, there is one other 22 issue that I just wanted to raise. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And this is Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 71 1 going to be the presentation of the Libertys in the 2 October portfolios and portfolio. 3 that I have in mind is that the Mint staff can 4 present us the Libertys in the individual 5 portfolios as -- as conceived. 6 Libertys, the quarter Libertys, and so forth. 7 that they also then present us all of the Libertys 8 together within a common portfolio, so that we can 9 then see all the Libertys and perhaps pick and And one thing Say the dime But 10 choose from that larger group of Libertys which we 11 think might be more appropriate. 12 are your thoughts on that presentation of Liberty 13 and Libertys in the October meeting? 14 15 16 17 18 MR. SAUNDERS: So what -- what Peter, I had one more comment on what Kellen said before. DR. VAN ALFEN: Oh, yeah sure, John. Go ahead. MR. SAUNDERS: Partly personal taste, partly 19 the fact that it was by far one of the cases where 20 one design really stood up and won by a big thing, 21 I think the Obverse 1 of the Declaration Quarter, 22 that's got Liberty boldly walking forward with the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 72 1 torch, if we did do a common side on the quarter, 2 that would be by far my choice to -- (inaudible) -- 3 so I thought that I'd throw that one out. 4 DR. VAN ALFEN: Oh, thank you, John. So 5 returning to the question I had about sort of the 6 presentation of Libertys in the portfolios, are 7 there any suggestions on what we might do 8 differently or are you all comfortable with that 9 idea? 10 [NO RESPONSE] 11 DR. VAN ALFEN: So I'm hearing crickets so I 12 assume that everyone's comfortable with the idea. 13 So I would just -- like to just ask April if she 14 has any further questions for the Committee before 15 I just open up the floor for a few moments. 16 MS. STAFFORD: No, those are very helpful. 17 Thank you all very much. 18 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Thank you, April. 19 So I'm happy just to open up the floor for a few 20 moments for any other thoughts or comments on these 21 portfolios if anybody has any. 22 MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes. Arthur, yes? So this is Arthur www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 73 1 Bernstein and my comment relates to the Declaration 2 Quarter. 3 the top scorers. 4 that didn't get much attention, and I recognize 5 that physics was not my strongest subject in 6 school. 7 inside the Liberty Bell. 8 Googled images of ringing bells and every image has 9 the clapper going the other way in -- when the bell Reverse 6 was one that was tied as one of And I made a comment yesterday But I was speaking about the clapper And I -- I actually 10 is swinging upward the clapper should be downward. 11 Call me crazy, I just feel like the design may have 12 a scientific problem with it. 13 MS. STAFFORD: -- (Crosstalk) -- sorry, this 14 is -- this is April. Yes, we took that item down 15 yesterday and -- and made note that a revision 16 would be required. Thank you. 17 MR. BERNSTEIN: Okay. Wow, I'm not crazy. 18 DR. VAN ALFEN: Yeah. Thank you for your 19 observation -- (crosstalk) -- just give it a little 20 bit more time. 21 from the Committee? 22 will now take a lunch break. Any other comments or questions Right. Thank you all. It is 11:35. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And we I am Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 74 1 happy to return in 45 rather than a full hour if 2 people are in agreement with that. 3 45 minutes rather than a full hour, please signify 4 by saying nay at this point. 5 MR. MORAN: Any opposed to I've got a cat litter box that I 6 got to clean -- (inaudible) -- would approximate a 7 cleanup. 8 9 DR. VAN ALFEN: So you'd like the full hour then -- 10 MR. MORAN: 11 DR. VAN ALFEN: 12 MR. MORAN: 13 All right. No. No, I'm joking. Okay. I do have a cat litter box I got to clean now, but 45 minutes will get it. 14 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. So we will then return 15 at 12:15. 16 I think that would give everyone enough time. 17 we'll return at 12:15 to review the best of the 18 Mint Silver Medal portfolios. 19 then. 20 21 22 It's a little less than 45 minutes, but MR. SAUNDERS: So see everyone For you West Coast folks, have a coffee break. DR. VAN ALFEN: So Yes. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 75 1 (Break from 11:35 p.m. to 12:15 p.m.) 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: And we are back. And I will 3 take a quick roll call to ensure that everyone is 4 present on the CCAC. 5 when I call your name. 6 Not yet with us. Members please say "present" Jeanne Stevens-Sollman? Kellen Hoard? 7 MR. HOARD: Present. 8 DR. VAN ALFEN: 9 MS. PURDIE: Annelisa Purdie? Present. 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. 11 MR. BERNSTEIN: Present. 12 DR. VAN ALFEN: John Saunders? 13 MR. SAUNDERS: 14 DR. VAN ALFEN: 15 MR. GELBERD: 16 DR. VAN ALFEN: 17 MR. MORAN: 18 DR. VAN ALFEN: 19 Arthur Bernstein? Present. Okay. Sam Gelberd? Present. Mike Moran? Present. Donald Scarinci? Dr. Harcourt Fuller? 20 [NO RESPONSE] 21 Dr. Christopher Capozzola? 22 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Present. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Not yet. Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 76 1 DR. VAN ALFEN: And I'm Peter van Alfen, and I 2 believe we do have a quorum. So we will now move 3 to consider the obverse and reverse candidate 4 designs for the 2026 Semiquincentennial Best of the 5 Mint Silver Medals. 6 remind the members of the Committee that for this 7 portfolio, we will be seeking to make 8 recommendations at the conclusion of our review 9 today to the Secretary of the Treasury. And I would also like to So we will 10 be voting a little bit later and then we'll 11 hopefully come to a conclusion about 12 recommendations. 13 over to April Stafford to present the obverse and 14 reverse design candidates -- or candidate designs. 15 April, all yours. 16 MS. STAFFORD: And I will know gladly turn it Thank you. And some background 17 to this program. As part of the commemoration of 18 the Semiquincentennial, the Mint will release a one 19 year series of five 24 karat gold coins featuring 20 historic designs from the last 250 years of US 21 coinage. 22 24k Gold Coins will be released over the course of These Best of the Mint Semiquincentennial www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 77 1 2026 in sizes approximating the original coins. 2 These coins will faithfully present the historic 3 designs and feature their original dates of issue. 4 And to indicate their issuance as part of the 5 Semiquincentennial in 2026, the coins will bear a 6 special Semiquincentennial privy mark featuring the 7 Liberty Bell and the numerals 250. 8 released as part of the Best of the Mint 9 Semiquincentennial 24k Gold Coin and Silver Medal The gold coins 10 program will -- we plan to include the 1804 Silver 11 Dollar Class 1 version, the 1907 Saint-Guadens High 12 Relief Double Eagle, the 1916 Winged Liberty Head 13 or Mercury Dime, the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter 14 Dollar, and the 1916 Walking Liberty Half Dollar. 15 So about the companion Silver Medal candidate 16 designs themselves, the Mint plans to, in keeping 17 with these historic coins, gold coins, release five 18 companion silver medals. 19 1.598 inches in diameter and will feature new 20 modern designs inspired by one of the historic 24k 21 gold coins. 22 silver medals are going to be reviewed today. Each silver medal will be Candidates designs for the companion www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 78 1 Each artist, in developing their candidate 2 designs for a companion silver medal, took 3 inspiration from a Best of the Mint Gold Coin. 4 They were not limited to portraying only the 5 subjects and devices presented in the originals. 6 As part of their design development artists were 7 encouraged to consider any of the following. 8 historic coin design itself, and noting that though 9 the medal isn't intended to replicate the coin, The 10 artists could reinterpret the coin design or 11 individual elements within the design or a 12 combination of elements that they thought were 13 important or they were inspired by. 14 considered the message of the historic coin, which 15 could include reflecting on the historical context 16 for the original or reinterpreting in -- that kind 17 of message through a modern lens. 18 the artist may have considered the historic coins 19 original artist or sculptor. 20 could be an homage to the broader work of the 21 original artist themselves. 22 They may have And then lastly, Because this medal So first we will look at candidate designs for www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 79 1 the silver medals that respond or were inspired by 2 the 1804 Silver Dollar. 3 portfolio. 4 1804 Silver Dollar. 5 designs. So we can open that And presented to you here first is the And moving onto the candidate 6 Obverse 1 and Reverse 1 draw inspiration from 7 elements in the 1804 Silver Dollars design and its 8 mission. 9 reflected in the flowing ribbon-like hair in this The flowing ribbon in Liberty's hair is 10 obverse. 11 historic coin appear in the braid encircling 12 Liberty's head on this obverse and also around the 13 globe on this reverse, symbolic of the diplomatic 14 journey of the famed 1804 dated Silver Dollars. 15 The clouds arced above the eagle on the The second set of candidate designs for this 16 silver medal take their inspiration from the 17 depiction of Liberty on the 1804 Silver Dollar and 18 the historic coin's diplomatic voyage on the USS 19 Peacock to secure trade deals with several East 20 Asian countries, among them modern-day Oman, 21 Thailand, and Vietnam. 22 blossoming tree of relations, these countries are In homage to this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 80 1 symbolized also by their modern-day national -- 2 with official and unofficial flowers. 3 define an outline of the countries on the reverse. 4 Obverse 3 and Reverse 3 are a nod to the Clouds 5 diplomatic mission of the 1804 Silver Dollar and 6 the growing global presence of the United States. 7 An allegorical depiction of Liberty as the 8 figurehead of a ship is featured on the obverse and 9 reimagined vision of the USS Peacock on the 10 11 reverse. Candidate designs Obverse 4 and Reverse 4 are 12 inspired by elements in the 1804 Silver Dollar's 13 design and its mission. 14 an enlargement of Liberty's hair from the historic 15 obverse while the eagle on the reverse raises his 16 head toward the stars above the coin colloquial 17 moniker, the king of coins. 18 The USS Peacock sails on And finally the fifth option, Obverse 5 and 19 Reverse 5, pay homage to the 1804 Silver Dollar 20 through the flowing drapery of Liberty on the 21 obverse and the commemoration of the Mint's first 22 chief engraver Robert Scott. And those are the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 81 1 candidate designs for the first set of Silver 2 Medals. 3 to the others or would -- Mr. Chairman, would you like me to go on 4 DR. VAN ALFEN: 5 MS. STAFFORD: 6 DR. VAN ALFEN: 7 MS. STAFFORD: Yes, yes. Okay. Yes, let's do all of them. Wonderful. All right. Moving 8 on to the 1907 Saint-Gaudens High Relief 20 Dollar 9 Gold Coin or Double Eagle, pictured here. 10 The silver medal candidates designs will start 11 with pairing 1. 12 dual suns on the obverse and reverse of the 1907 20 13 Dollar Gold Coin and to sculptor Augustus 14 Saint-Gaudens' broader body of work. 15 Saint-Gaudens' "Diana of the Tower", the designs 16 are meant to invoke classicism which informs 17 Saint-Gaudens' works through balanced understated 18 design and encapsulate its essence through the 19 inscription "virtus" which translates to virtue in 20 Latin. 21 22 These designs pay tribute to the Inspired by The second grouping of candidate designs, Obverse 2 and Reverse 2, pay homage to sculptor www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 82 1 Augustus Saint-Gaudens. 2 depicts the 1907 20 Dollar Gold Coin held in the 3 hands of a collector. 4 dare mighty things" end quote, is a quote from 5 Theodore Roosevelt who recognized Saint-Gaudens' 6 talents and entrusted him with the task of 7 elevating American coinage. 8 9 On the reverse, the artist Quote "far better it is to The third option for the silver medal, these designs interpret elements of the 1907 20 Dollar 10 Gold Coin through a reimagined view of 11 Saint-Gaudens' Liberty. 12 eagle's wings as an American flag in a new vision 13 of strength and pride. 14 Carrying a torch and the And finally, the fourth option for this silver 15 medal, Obverse 4 and Reverse 4 harken to 16 iconography of the 1907 20 Dollar Gold Coin. 17 torch is held by Liberty who heralds in a new era 18 of US coinage. 19 radiate behind Liberty on the obverse and the eagle 20 on the reverse. 21 22 The As in the historical coin, suns Moving to the third historic coin, the 1916 Mercury Dime and the candidate designs inspired by www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 83 1 2 them. We'll start with Obverse 1 and Reverse 1. 3 These designs evoke the prominent elements of the 4 Mercury Dime. 5 of the inscription "united" are meant to represent 6 a more realized and mature nation willing to open 7 its ideals to all creeds and cultures. 8 9 The larger wing and the prominence Obverse 2 and Reverse 2 feature Liberty in a pose of quiet focus, a nod to the freedom of 10 thought symbolized in the Mercury Dime. 11 reverse, a dove continues the theme of hope and 12 echos the wings in Weinman's obverse. 13 rendered in a visual style common among Alaskan 14 Native artists. 15 On the The dove is Obverse 3 and Reverse 3 recall the period of 16 1916 through 1945 when the Mercury Dime was in 17 circulation, representing years of great change and 18 upheaval, both foreign and domestic for the United 19 States. 20 United States would enter two World Wars, the 21 artist depicts Liberty in both defensive and 22 offensive positions. Observing that during this period the The obverse design extends to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 84 1 the reverse with rays emanating from the tip of the 2 sword, symbolic of hope at the end of conflict. 3 The Great Depression is represented by Hooverville 4 shacks and the Dust Bowl by the swirling waves in 5 the background. 6 Option 4, Obverse 4 and Reverse 4 are inspired 7 by the mythological references in the Mercury Dime. 8 And these designs explore other elements of 9 mythical iconography. Liberty is clad in armor, 10 including a winged Phrygian helmet. 11 shows an imagined version of Washington DC, that 12 includes the existing US Capitol Building and 13 Washington monument, as well as the unrealized 14 Washington National Sphinx, a proposed statue 15 designed by J. Goldsborough Bruff depicting an 16 American folklore version of the iconic Egyptian 17 Sphinx. 18 coin appears in the column behind the Sphinx. 19 The reverse A subtle nod to the fasces in the historic Moving onto the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter 20 and the candidate designs for silver medal inspired 21 by this coin. 22 We start with Obverse 1 and Reverse 1. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 The Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 85 1 obverse is inspired by Hermon MacNeil's original 2 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter and his unused 3 redesign proposal, which added elements such as 4 laurels and sandals, and Liberty's hair blowing in 5 the wind. 6 work of Weinman whose proposals for the quarter 7 were replaced by MacNeil's designs for the sake of 8 artistic variety. 9 Similarly the reverse is inspired by the Obverse 2 and Reverse 2 in this portfolio are 10 inspired by the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter. 11 windswept Liberty turns to offer a distant eagle 12 the olive branches in her hand. 13 a close up of the olive branches in the eagle's 14 talons that Liberty was holding up on the obverse. 15 Obverse 3 and Reverse 3 draw inspiration from The reverse shows 16 the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter featuring a 17 modernized Liberty ascending steps prepared to 18 protect and defend. 19 reverse, showing a mother eagle with her wings 20 spread around young. 21 22 A The theme is mirrored on the And finally, Obverse 4 and Reverse 4 take their cue from the period of circulation of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 86 1 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter, during which the 2 United States entered World War I. 3 show how Americans banded together to protect their 4 country and secure peace for their futures. 5 feature a hand firmly grasping an olive branch and 6 a depiction of one of the many women who worked to 7 harvest the nation's food supply during World War 8 II. 9 The designs They The 1916 Liberty Walking Half Dollar -- 10 Walking Liberty Half Dollar. 11 Reverse 1 reimagining the elements from the half 12 dollar as a single scene across the obverse and 13 reverse illustrated in the Art Deco style that 14 succeeded Weinman's neoclassical style. 15 We have Obverse 1 and Obverse 2 and Reverse 2 draw inspiration from 16 design elements and the feeling of determination 17 and movement in the composition of the Walking 18 Liberty Half Dollar by highlighting the importance 19 of freedom and self-expression through the arts. 20 Obverse 3 and Reverse 3 pay homage to Adolph 21 A. Weinman. The obverse depicts him positioned in 22 front of his "Destiny Pediment" which he sculpted www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 87 1 for the National Archives Building. 2 by two eagles and other elements of the pediment. 3 On the reverse Weinman is shown working on the 4 original coin in the negative plaster stage at 5 model scale. 6 "Descending Night" which was perched on the high 7 platform in his New York City studio. 8 9 He is flanked Behind him is his masterpiece Obverse 4 and Reverse 4 are tributes to the Walking Liberty Half Dollar and its sculptor. In 10 the reverse Adolph Weinman is shown drawing the 11 design for the reverse of the original coin with 12 the figure of Liberty behind him, guiding his 13 inspiration. 14 And finally, Obverse 5 and Reverse 5 are a nod 15 to key elements of the original coin. 16 extended hand and the sun referenced on the 17 obverse, while a man and stylized eagle 18 representing strength and resilience are featured 19 on the reverse. 20 21 22 Liberty's And that concludes the candidate designs for the Silver Medal Portfolio. DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you very much, April. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 88 1 Before we begin our consideration -- and I do want 2 to suggest that we consider all of the five groups 3 together simultaneously rather than break it into 4 individual components, simply because there are 5 possibilities of grouping themes such as 6 reinterpretation or historic context or focus on 7 the artist and I think it would be good for all of 8 us to express what we feel about perhaps continuity 9 or theme across the portfolios or not. I will 10 ask -- before we get to those considerations, 11 whether there are any technical or legal questions 12 from the committee about the program or the designs 13 for the 2026 Semiquincentennial Best of the Mint 14 Silver Medals Portfolio. 15 raised? 16 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Sure. Chris, I see your hand is This is a question on 17 the -- and maybe it was in the statute, but are 18 there any -- it seems there are no required 19 inscriptions on the medals themselves and that any 20 that we see there are the artists -- part of the 21 artist's design and presumably we could add them or 22 subtract them as we see them. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 89 1 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: the Mint like to address that question? 3 MS. STAFFORD: 4 DR. VAN ALFEN: 5 6 April or would someone from That -- that is correct. Thank you. Sam, your hand is raised? MR. GELBERD: Thank you, Peter. This is Sam 7 Gelberd. 8 will they be in both uncirculated and proof or just 9 one or the other? 10 11 Just curious, the finish of these medals, MS. STAFFORD: I will -- (crosstalk) -- I will get that -- oh, Roger, do you have it? 12 MR. VASQUEZ: Yes. 13 MR. GELBERD: Okay. 14 They will be uncirculated. Thank you, Roger. I appreciate that. 15 DR. VAN ALFEN: Arthur, your hand is raised? 16 MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes. This is Arthur Bernstein 17 with a question about the reverses for the Silver 18 Dollar version. 19 hand a little bit about the designs that I find 20 attractive, on Reverse 2 the -- the flowers that 21 are at the bottom of the design, can you -- can 22 someone tell us which flower is which and what Two questions and this may tip my www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 90 1 countries they represent? 2 question. 3 Reverse 5, where there are tools featured on the 4 shield. 5 representative of -- of the types of tools that 6 Robert Scott would've used at that time. 7 That's my first And my second question relates to And I just wondered if those tools are MS. STAFFORD: I will ask Roger Vasquez, who's 8 the design manager for this program. 9 the artist include the specifics, the names of the 10 flowers, and the tools depicted in the two designs 11 that Art just mentioned? 12 MR. VASQUEZ: Roger, did Yes, to the flowers. The tools 13 are, as I understand it, meant to be engraving 14 tools. 15 the time or not. 16 I cannot tell you if those are accurate to MS. STAFFORD: And do you have the names of 17 the flowers that you can share with Art 18 --(crosstalk) -- you could put them in the chat as 19 well, if you'd like -- if that's okay. 20 MR. BERNSTEIN: Thank you. 21 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. 22 Okay. Are there any other questions before -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 91 1 MR. SAUNDERS: 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: 3 4 Yes. Oh, yeah. John, please go ahead. MR. SAUNDERS: Peter, my hand thing doesn't 5 work so -- can you tell us the denominations that 6 are going to go with the gold coins or as 7 companions for this? 8 9 MS. STAFFORD: Roger, please correct me if I'm wrong, but the original inscriptions from the 10 original coins will be included, and so the 11 original denominations would be used in the 24k 12 gold coins. 13 MR. SAUNDERS: -- (crosstalk) -- dollar. 14 MS. STAFFORD: Yes. 15 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Any other 16 questions before we begin? All right. Well, 17 hearing or seeing that there are none, let's begin 18 our consideration. 19 large portfolio and rather complex, and since I 20 think it is best that we consider all five groups 21 simultaneously, I will allow each member some 22 additional time for consideration, but again, we'll Now, since this is a rather www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 92 1 ask that please keep your comments as brief as 2 possible. 3 yourself for the record prior to speaking. 4 I'd like to begin with Mike Moran, considering his 5 special relationship with Gus, that is Augustus 6 Saint-Gaudens and the fact that he has a very large 7 book on that very person coming out sometime soon 8 let's hope. 9 And is always, please do identify Now, Mike, would you like to begin? MR. MORAN: I just sent an email to my 10 publisher asking when that was going to be. 11 fact is we intend to do it. Let me start out with a 12 few general statements here before I fall off the 13 cliff on this. 14 really. 15 The I'm kind of sorry I'm going first When I first got involved with this, and we 16 were working through the best of the best, some of 17 us were on that committee picking the ones that -- 18 we started with 25 by the way. 19 when we do this silver, what we'll get because the 20 Mint can't do silver legal tender coins unless 21 they're authorized by legislation like we did with 22 the silver dollars in 2021. I thought, well, And what we'll see is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 93 1 the exact same coin without all the clanking models 2 and the date and everything else. 3 see it in a pure artistic form. 4 didn't. 5 was absent when we -- we got to the second version 6 of this which would be modernization of these best 7 of the best. 8 would've agreed with it because it -- it just kind 9 of made natural sense. And we'll just Well, no. We And somewhere along the line, I think I And if I'd been there, I think I What we have this kind of a 10 conglomeration really now as you look at all these. 11 We got some storyboards in here, we got some -- I 12 think there's a couple of them that are really 13 pretty good, and we got some decent 14 interpretations. 15 right off the cliff. 16 the -- the delivery of these Silver Dollar to the 17 -- (inaudible) -- for great purposes. 18 collector doesn't give a damn about that. 19 interested only in the 1804 Silver Dollar. 20 never going to be able to do it, and their liable 21 enough to be able to do the 1804 in gold, because 22 it's going to be pushing more than an ounce, and But then we got some that just go And I think particularly of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Your average They're They're Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 94 1 gold is $2400 an ounce now. 2 about the time the Mint marks it up, it's going to 3 be $26 -- $2800. 4 Anyway, you don't want to hear the rest of that. 5 Let's go through them. 6 So you're looking So that gives me a problem. I happened to like -- on the Silver Dollar I 7 think the first obverse -- the first set of obverse 8 and reverse is okay. 9 rendition of the delivery is not okay with me. As I said, the historical One 10 other thing I'm going to say -- I'm going to say 11 some of these are not to my liking at all. 12 the same group of people that gave us, I think 13 really an outstanding group of images for our 14 Semiquincentennial consideration over the last two 15 days. 16 these are good artists. 17 is we've asked them to do -- to improve upon the 18 best of the best, another artist's work and that's 19 a lot easier said than done. 20 about some of these designs, I don't mean it 21 personally. 22 professional abilities. This is And I think what has happened here is -I think that problem is, So when I'm critical I don't mean it in regards to their I just think they're given www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 95 1 a very difficult and nigh impossible assignment. 2 So you go down to number 5 on this. 3 Let's move on to the Double Eagle. Horrible. I will -- 4 I'll get this done in five minutes, Peter. 5 you're wrong to bring Diane into this. 6 this is a step too far in terms of a modern 7 interpretation of the High Relief Double Eagle and 8 that's what we're looking at here. 9 Relief -- not the Ultra High Relief and not the 10 I think I think It's the High coin relief. 11 Okay. The next one is -- this is just flat 12 wrong. It's a storyboard which means it's down a 13 point on me to begin with. 14 need to understand that Saint-Gaudens never modeled 15 his own important medals. 16 modeled a medal. 17 would design it, it would be a sketch and he would 18 give it to one of his assistants to actually 19 model -- or bring somebody else on board to do the 20 modeling, and then he would critique it and refine 21 it. 22 did this one, got it from a painting done by Kenyon But first of all you I'm not sure he ever He always assigned that. So you have him here modeling? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 No. He Whoever Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 96 1 Cox. 2 which he would do. 3 factually incorrect because February and March of 4 1907, Saint-Gaudens was dying of cancer. 5 paralyzed in one leg. 6 the studio. 7 for maybe 30 minutes at a time. 8 stepping up and modeling the -- the high relief 9 medal eagle. 10 11 Saint-Gaudens working on a bronze relief wrong. The other thing that is He was They had to carry him into He could concentrate due to the pain No way he's This one just needs to go away. It's Factually, historically, incorrect. Okay. Next one. Number 3, this is probably 12 one in the design portfolio that I would've 13 envisioned a modernization of -- to really be like. 14 You do a close up of Liberty, it's factually 15 correct, but at the same time it's modernized. 16 I really like the treatment of the American flag on 17 the eagle's wings. 18 modernization of the design. 19 would wholeheartedly support. 20 anymore on the Saint-Gaudens images. 21 22 And To me that's an update, a That's one that I Let's not belay I will say that one's nice, but I'm troubled by the standing eagle version as opposed to a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 97 1 flying eagle. I'll give it some points. 2 deserves that because it's good. It 3 Let's go onto the Mercury Dime. Eh, next. 4 Stylized, I'm not sure that -- that image of 5 -- if it's Liberty symbolizes the freedom of 6 thought to me. I know the birds are there. 7 it's far from a winged Pegasus. 8 on the reverse. 9 But I do like the dove So maybe it is modernized. I kind of like this. Next. I do -- I don't -- the 10 shacks look like shacks, there's nothing artistic 11 about them, but I guess there's not supposed to be. 12 And I like the continuity of the design from the 13 obverse to the reverse and the fact that it deals 14 with the time period from '16 to '45 -- while 15 that's not modernizing the original design, it's a 16 stretch from the assignment, but I'll give it some 17 points. 18 Moving on -- let's go on to the -- oh, number 19 4. The sphinx there, Goldsborough Bruff was acting 20 as a treasurer employee in the 1850s. 21 time, out of place and shouldn't be there and I 22 won't be giving that any points as a result. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It's out of It's Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 98 1 just historically incorrect. 2 Quarter. Eh, it's okay. I get it -- that 3 the -- MacNeil actually kind of forced the quarter 4 reverse, his ideas were -- he just -- he fell apart 5 creatively on the reverse of the Standing Liberty 6 Quarter and Weinman had better ideas. 7 not sure that's true to the intent of the best of 8 the best. 9 Okay. Number 2. So I -- I'm The eagle's not -- even on a 10 coin that -- it's going to be about the size of 11 what we see on the screen there, an inch and a 12 half. 13 there's something about looking at a rear end of an 14 eagle that doesn't do anything for me. That's going to get lost in the image and 15 3, I don't like at all. 16 4, I -- there's no modernization to that. 17 That's just like somebody else did it from that 18 same point and period of time. 19 no sense to me. 20 Moving to the half dollar. And it just makes Again, somewhere 21 in here -- that one's -- the first one is not bad. 22 I can live with that. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 99 1 I don't like the second one. 2 The third one, storyboard. 3 Fourth, what a mess. 4 Fifth, I don't see the relationship to the I don't like it. 5 original coin design. 6 decided to design something entirely -- just start 7 from scratch. 8 9 So there I am. It just looks like they I think I may be within my five minutes, but I've got one last thing to say on 10 this. 11 exceptions, they're nothing more than curiosities. 12 If I'm a collector, looking at the best of the 13 best, I don't think I'm buying this. 14 from a marketing standpoint this is going to be a 15 success at all. I think, as I said, it's going to 16 be a curiosity. I think the Mint would be better 17 off just eliminating the required inscriptions and 18 going with the artistic devises on a silver medal 19 and leaving it at that. 20 21 22 The way these are looking now with a couple DR. VAN ALFEN: I don't think So I've said my piece. Indeed you have, Mike. you very much -- (crosstalk) -- I'm sorry? MR. MORAN: I don't like the concept. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 100 1 2 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: Clearly. Chris Capozzola, if you would, please? DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right. So thanks. I'm 4 going to -- I will also try to be brief, although 5 there's a lot to get through here. 6 speaking here without the, you know, the kind of 7 deep expertise on the history of these particular 8 coins and their -- and their stories that Mike gave 9 us and that many other people in this call have. And I'm -- I'm 10 So I'm just going to go through with my -- with my 11 reactions to this. 12 On the -- so starting with the silver dollar, 13 I do think 1 and -- 1O and 1R underneath -- you 14 know, the number 1 pairing, certainly works. 15 clear and straightforward. 16 It's I think of the others the -- only number 2 -- 17 of the ones that try to address the diplomacy 18 theme, I felt like number 2 was the more successful 19 pairing. 20 21 22 I thought that number 3 seems -- doesn't communicate enough. It's just -- just a ship. And number 4, just, you know, seems a little www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 101 1 2 bit wonky. And number 5, it's not clear to me why Liberty 3 is wrapped up in quite that much drapery. 4 are my thoughts on the -- on the first. 5 So those On the gold coin, on the Saint-Gaudens, I will 6 say I actually visually, aesthetically, et cetera, 7 I really like 1. 8 moving from Liberty to Diana might be a bridge too 9 far and maybe that could be revisited. And I take Mike's point that that But 10 certainly, you know, aesthetically I just really, 11 you know, like this as an update. 12 certainly appreciate that. 13 So I do On number 3, I was less persuaded by the 14 American flag on the Eagle. I certainly like 15 Liberty as pictured here quite a lot. 16 could be convinced to see her on a -- a 17 Semiquincentennial Quarter in that format but -- 18 but, yeah. 19 about that eagle with the flag on it in that 20 regard. And in fact, I'm just not -- I wasn't quite sure 21 Moving onto the Liberty Head Dime, I will say 22 I thought number 1 is -- is kind of an interesting www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 102 1 pairing. I understand what the artist is doing and 2 it has a nice crispness to it, but I'm worried -- 3 especially, you know, on the reverse that it's 4 actually almost too imitative, the fact she's 5 there. 6 but that was a bridge too far for me. 7 I think -- I also like number 3. And maybe that could be revisited, but -- It's the one 8 that I like a lot. I -- I don't -- you know, maybe 9 the -- the Committee would advise a few changes 10 along the way, but I did like the continuity 11 from -- from obverse to reverse. 12 you know, sort of addressing the period. 13 you know, just distinct in that regard from -- from 14 the assignment, but it would certainly draw 15 attention and be appreciated by -- by the public. 16 I thought it was, It is, On the Standing Liberty Quarter, here -- here 17 I -- I struggled. I think of them I thought number 18 2 is probably the strongest. 19 there -- I actually kind of like the eagle in 20 flight. 21 address Mike's concerns, but I actually kind of 22 liked the motion of it. You know, I think Maybe you could get a little more eagle to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 103 1 And I -- and number 1, just to back up, I did 2 like the eagle on the reverse. 3 configuration there is just not -- not going to -- 4 not going to work for -- for a coin. 5 that. 6 I thought the front So I'll say And then on number 4, just an observation, it 7 has stars -- has 13 stars on both the front and the 8 back. 9 in my view. 10 And that's just an awful lot of stars for -- On the Walking Half Dollar, here I actually -- 11 I liked number -- number 1. 12 real departure in many ways, aesthetically and so 13 forth, but I think it captures some of the spirit 14 of -- of what's, you know, what was in the original 15 Walking Half Dollar. 16 that I appreciate more than most. 17 It is -- again, it's a And so that would be the one On number 2, I just felt like -- on 2 in the 18 obverse I thought it just seemed like she's 19 carrying a few too many things. And then this 20 stride is a bit too -- too far. Almost 21 unrealistically wide stride there for someone who's 22 walking. And so -- I could go on, but I'll just www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 104 1 2 leave it at that. Thank you very much. DR. VAN ALFEN: All right, Chris. Thank you 3 very much. Art Bernstein, if you would please -- 4 oh, April. I see your hand is raised? 5 MS. STAFFORD: It is. That's okay. I just 6 wanted to say, obviously, the committee members 7 responses to these designs will be what they are. 8 But I did want to offer that the assignment that 9 was given to the artists was to create modern 10 designs that are inspired by the original coins, 11 not -- not necessarily to update or modernize the 12 original designs themselves. 13 artist took that approach and that is what 14 committee members like or they feel is appropriate 15 for this program, but it might be just something 16 like the artist themselves or the time period it 17 was released or an element that -- of the original 18 design that they then riff on. 19 letting me add that. 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: 21 you for the comments. 22 to continue. It might be that an So thank you for Sure thing, April. And thank Art Bernstein, if you'd like www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 105 1 MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes. This is Arthur 2 Bernstein. With regard to the Silver Dollar 3 designs, unlike my friend Mike I think the story of 4 the diplomatic voyage is compelling. 5 of people know about it and therefore Obverse 2 and 6 Reverse 2 to me have merit. 7 the diplomatic voyage and I like including the 8 countries that were a part of that visitation. 9 think that acknowledging them through the use of I think a lot I like connection to I 10 their flowers and plants, I think it's worthwhile. 11 With regard to Reverse 4 in the Silver Dollar 12 collection, I made a comment yesterday about "big 13 box stores", today I'm going to make comment about 14 "the king of coins" which to me recalls the 15 Budweiser commercial for the King of Beers. 16 I -- I just was turned off by that -- that phrase. 17 Moving to the -- oh, still on the Silver And 18 Dollar, Obverse 5 and Reverse 5, I thought there 19 was value in recognizing Robert Scott. 20 the reverse to be very simple and very elegant. 21 And the -- on the obverse, there is a lot of 22 drapery, Chris, but I thought it was -- I thought www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I found Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 106 1 2 it was attractive. On the Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, Mike I 3 think said it all. 4 with Obverse 3 and Reverse 3. 5 Liberty jumping off the coin very dramatic. 6 reverse is very traditional and to me very grand. 7 8 9 10 11 If I had to pick one I would go I find the image of The On the Mercury Dime, I support everything that was said about Obverse 3 and Reverse 3. I also like Reverse 4. It was a fantastical image that I just thought was intriguing. For the Liberty Quarter, I liked design 1 -- 12 designs 1 and designs 2. 13 brilliant modernizations which were part of what 14 was called for. 15 flying off of the reverse of the coin, I don't 16 think we've ever seen anything like that before. 17 And I thought it was intriguing. 18 Both of them seemed to me And I agreed with Chris, the eagle With regard to the Walking Half Dollar, the 19 comment was already made about Obverse 2 with her 20 carrying too much stuff. 21 comment. 22 again, I like the concept of acknowledging the I agree with that Obverse 3 and Obverse -- Reverse 3, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 107 1 artist and this coin certainly does that. 2 regard to the reverse, when we were looking at the 3 Declaration Quarter, one of the questions posed to 4 us by the Mint was, did the image of Liberty with 5 an off-shoulder dress show too much skin? 6 I -- I didn't feel it did. 7 coin certainly shows a lot of skin. 8 it, but I just thought we should note that there's 9 a lot of skin in that reverse. 10 11 12 With And The reverse on this I'm fine with And that concludes my comments. DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. Yes, skin in the game there. Annelisa Purdie, if you would, please. 13 MS. PURDIE: 14 Annelisa Purdie. 15 comments as brief as I possibly can and just focus 16 on the ones that stood out as well. 17 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is I'm also going to keep my I'm going to start with the 1804 Silver 18 Dollar. Truth be told, none of these designs stood 19 out to me. 20 disliked the least, it would be design number 1. 21 think the details of the ship are beautifully done. 22 I'm not sure that it works well on a coin in terms If I had to go with one that I was -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 108 1 of representing the diplomatic voyage. 2 the reverse for number 5 and the focus on the 3 engraver. 4 in the context of a coin. 5 wings so much, which also seemed to be a 6 combination of eagle wings and the American flag. 7 I'm not sure if that was the intention behind it. 8 But I do like also calling attention to the 9 originators of the designs for the coins. 10 I also like I'm not sure that, again, it would work Perhaps not using the For the Saint-Gaudens Medals, I really did 11 enjoy design number 4 for both the obverse and the 12 reverse. 13 perspective of the eagle, that branch looks a 14 little strange with the foreshortening. 15 you're not quite sure whether the eagle is going to 16 take off, whether he's sitting or thinking. 17 looks like a young eagle too which is why the 18 design may be a little bit different, but if that 19 were tweaked, otherwise this looks fine. 20 the representation of Liberty, I like the way that 21 she's positioned on the coin. 22 hairstyle, and I think that the lettering as well The only caveat with this one is from the It's as if It I like Really enjoy her www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 109 1 is a good reference, good throwback for the time 2 period. 3 I also do like number 1, both the obverse and 4 the reverse. 5 looks as if she's shooting the eagle. 6 though perspective-wise this would be flipped -- it 7 may not come across that way, if it could be 8 repositioned or so, because of the way the eagle 9 encircles the center of the coin it does come off a 10 11 My only concern with this one is it And even bit strange. For Obverse number 2, I really like the 12 concept of portraying on a coin the fact that these 13 go into the hands of collectors and that there's a 14 process in going from having an idea about what 15 these coins look like, their creation, to 16 eventually going into one's hands themselves. 17 not sure if this could be worked into a future 18 design. 19 sweet and serves a purpose, but I would like to 20 come back to this idea later. 21 merit. 22 I'm I mean, as it is now I think it's very I think it does have For the Mercury Dime, my favorite design far www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 110 1 and away was also number 3. I like the continuity. 2 I think that we're getting a lot of designs in 3 these portfolios too that show the continuity 4 between the obverse and the reverses. 5 representation of the time changes. 6 didn't come out immediately to me as I was reading 7 through the notes. 8 background behind the windmill and the skyscrapers. 9 I know it's supposed to represent the Dust Bowl, I like the Dust Bowl It looks like the ocean in the 10 but perhaps that could be tweaked. 11 with the continuity, if there could be some 12 adjustment of the sword, I'm thinking of looking at 13 the reverse by itself if -- without having any 14 reference to the front of the coin, it may come 15 across as a little strange with light. I'm not 16 sure how those rays would be rendered. They would 17 have to be very -- indented very strongly for 18 someone to see the light rays. 19 concept, very great concept. 20 Also again, But I like this I also love the reverse for number 2 with the 21 dove. I like the idea of updating the dove in a 22 different manner reflecting our different www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 111 1 experiences. 2 with it comes across well too. 3 And I think that concept of peace Going to my notes for the Standing Liberty 4 Quarter Dollar, I appreciate with all of these the 5 detail that went into them. 6 the reverse, the leg doesn't -- doesn't bother me 7 that much. 8 pose. 9 feathers of the eagle for the reverse are For 1, the obverse and You know, I think it's a very dynamic She's walking forward. The detail on the 10 beautiful, but because they take up so much of the 11 coin's space, I'm wondering again, in the final 12 rendering what that would look like. 13 And Obverse and Reverse design number 4, I'm 14 not sure that this fits with the overall theme of 15 the coin even though I get the concept. 16 personally really enjoyed looking at coinage that 17 show domestic or everyday activities involving the 18 populace and I think that this would in some way 19 serve as a reminder of those who are on the ground 20 and doing these things that may seem inane but are 21 necessary to our maintenance. 22 Okay. But I For the half dollar, the Walking www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 112 1 Liberty Half Dollar, also did not understand the 2 concept completely behind design number 5, the 3 obverse and the reverse, although I think the 4 stonesque design of the reverse is done very 5 detailed, it's lovely. 6 My favorite from this portfolio was number 1. 7 The obverse and the reverse with the continuity, I 8 think it's done very well. 9 perfect amount of detail that's not too much, I think it has the 10 that's not scant. 11 sun is rendered on both sides. 12 works well with that one. 13 thoughts. 14 went overtime, but I tried my best. 15 Okay. Thank you very much. DR. VAN ALFEN: 16 Perfect time. 17 please. 18 And I also like the way that the MR. HOARD: I think continuity And those are my I'm not sure if I Annelisa, thank you very much. So Kellen Hoard, if you would, Thank you. I'm glad I'm going at 19 this point because I'm undecided and remain 20 undecided by many of them. 21 with the 1804 Dollar. 22 super taken by many of these designs here. But if we could start Like Annelisa, I wasn't www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 But my Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 113 1 overwhelming kind of lens through which I looked at 2 all of these pieces was that, we were talking 3 yesterday about inside baseball and the reverse of 4 that one coin -- (inaudible) -- these are -- these 5 are more inside baseball. 6 buying these are going to be people who already 7 love the coins. 8 the Silver Dollar or if you love the Mercury Dime. 9 And so I think that we have an opportunity to get Like the only people If you collect coins, if you love 10 A, a little artistic freedom and B, a little bit 11 more niche with what kind of themes or images we're 12 representing. 13 The 1804 Dollar, if you could go to 3, please. 14 I thought this was interesting because again it 15 does tie to that diplomatic background which was 16 only discovered in like 1962 or at least like 17 figured out by -- (inaudible) -- in that year. 18 so I think, you know, it's kind of an iconic story 19 deeply tied with these coins. 20 like the reverse, the ship. 21 really kind of a -- (inaudible) -- design 22 --(inaudible) -- with the obverse I'm more And This one, I really I thought it was www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 114 1 ambivalent about -- but I think it'll be fine with 2 the reverse. 3 Could you go to number 5 as well, please? And 4 for 5, I did not like the reverse -- I actually 5 really did like the obverse. 6 -- (inaudible) -- I think it's kind of a creative 7 reinterpretation, modernization, of this piece in 8 that style. 9 and with collectors. I think she's really I think it would resonate with people So I really kind of engaged 10 well with that even though I was a little hesitant 11 about 13 stars given how many -- there were not 13 12 states in 1834. 13 and 3 as a reverse potentially -- (inaudible) -- 14 kind of bring these two together, both the 15 classical sculpture style and the diplomatic 16 background. 17 But I really love 5 as an obverse If you could go to the Double Eagle? You 18 know, I'm really disappointed that Mike gave us all 19 this fact checks, because I was actually really 20 drawn to design number 2. 21 drawn to that, and I think other collectors would 22 be. As a collector I was I think people -- part of the story, which www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 115 1 goes with Doubles Eagles is him. 2 inextricably intertwined with them in ways that I 3 think sculptors of these other coins are not. 4 so for collectors to potentially have him and have 5 his story represented on these coins, I think the 6 -- (inaudible) -- is a way for a collector to be 7 represented on that reverse or whoever the hands 8 are supposed to represent. 9 be really quite compelling, which is too bad that 10 it's not realistic. 11 say about that. 12 of these. 13 He is so And So I found this one to And that's about all I have to As a collector, I would want one For the Mercury Dime -- I'm sorry I have one 14 more thing to say about the -- the Double Eagle 15 which is the one with the flag wing that was 16 popular among some. 17 begging us not to choose the one with the flag as 18 the wing of reverse. 19 Shopping Network esque. and not even -- it's a well 20 sculpted design, but the flag on the wing 21 specifically comes across to me kind of kitschy. 22 And I -- and I would ask us to avoid that. I'm fine with the obverse, I'm To me it is deeply Home www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I would Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 116 1 even be fine if we just did like a regular wing. 2 Please not the flag. 3 about that. 4 And that's all I have to say For the Mercury Dime, I'm with everybody else. 5 I really love 3. 6 between the obverse and reverse wonderful, and 7 there's nothing I have to say about them that 8 already hasn't been said. 9 I found the -- the continuity For the Standing Liberty Quarter, again, a 10 little ambivalent on some of these. In fact could 11 you go down to number 2, please? 12 that I was drawn to the most. 13 issue with the eagle and I thought it was kind of 14 an exciting revamp and one that the Standing 15 Liberty collectors would like quite a bit and would 16 be inclined to add to their collection and for the 17 set. 18 Liberty Quarters which is what we should aim for if 19 we're aiming at collectors of those. This is the one I didn't really have I think it fits nicely with a set of Standing 20 And then finally the Walking Liberty Half 21 Dollar, again ambivalent, but I would go for number 22 1 there above all else. Again, for similar reasons www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 117 1 I think this is just -- this is what I had in mind 2 when we thought about, you know, kind of modern 3 reinterpretation of it and kind of a modern play, 4 building off of these past designs. 5 will get my points. 6 Thanks very much, Peter. 7 DR. VAN ALFEN: 8 9 And so that And I think that's it for me. All right. Thank you, Kellen. Sam Geldberd, if you would please? MR. GELBERD: Thank you, Peter. This is Sam 10 Geldberd. 11 five minutes, but as a collector of these -- many 12 of these coins, albeit I have no 1804 Silver 13 Dollars and no Saint-Gaudens 20 Dollar Gold pieces 14 in my collection, they -- all five of these designs 15 mean an awful lot to me -- since my childhood. 16 I know I've looked up to sports figures and other 17 figures in music and entertainment as my heroes, 18 but artists like Scott, Saint-Gaudens, MacNeil, and 19 Wienman, these are some of my childhood heros. 20 I will do my very best to stay within And So with that being said, I am more of a fan of 21 the -- the designs inspired by the classic designs 22 rather than designs that showcase the artist www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 118 1 themselves directly. 2 Saint-Gaudens is inexorably tied to the 20 dollar 3 piece, in fact that's how we usually refer to 4 the -- that Double Eagle, the Augustus 5 Saint-Gaudens 20 Dollar Gold Piece. 6 that with the other designs. 7 said, I think there's another program that down the 8 line that maybe we could, you know, pay that 9 tribute as an homage to those artists. 10 Sure, as Kellen just said, You don't see But with that being But with that being said, let's get right into 11 it with the 1804 Dollar inspired designs. 12 think that Obverse and Reverse 1 would be the best 13 pick in this selection, I think it's the most 14 loving rendition inspired by the original 1804 15 Silver Dollars, the Class 1's. 16 17 18 19 20 I do Design 2, obverse and reverse, don't really do it for me. Design 3, I like both, the obverse and reverse. This would be my second choice. And design 4, both obverse and reverse, 21 yeah -- like Art said, I'm -- I'm getting Budweiser 22 vibes from "the king of coins" on the reverse. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 119 1 It's just -- I don't think it needs to be stated. 2 It's known as the king of coins, I just don't see 3 collectors clamoring to buy something that says 4 "the king of coins" on it. 5 colloquially in numismatic circles, it's -- don't 6 like it. 7 Liberty's hair, it just misses the mark in -- in my 8 opinion. 9 It's known as that I understand the ship sailing on Ms. Design 5, I think we can do better. Again, 10 I'm not a fan of the designs that really focus more 11 on the artists themselves. 12 With the Saint-Gaudens 20 Dollar Gold Piece, 13 the image of Diana and the eagle, very dynamic on 14 Obverse 1 and Reverse 1. 15 it's okay. 16 translate well as a silver dollar. 17 Not my favorite though, I could live with it. I think it could Obverse 2 and Reverse 2, again, because of the 18 anachronism as Mike pointed out earlier. 19 just don't think -- wouldn't go over as well with 20 collectors truth be told. 21 22 Yeah, I The design 3, this is my second favorite one. I really do like it. I do have to side with Kellen www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 120 1 a little bit as far as the eagle on the reverse. 2 think it would translate better if it were just 3 eagle's wings instead of the actual American flag 4 rendition. 5 interpretation of the original design. 6 I But very powerful, very dynamic But my overall favorite is design 4, for 7 obverse and reverse. I love the Art Nouveau 8 design. 9 that would just look absolutely gorgeous as a piece It's a contemporary rendition -- rendition 10 of medallic artwork. 11 lettering, the overall design elements on both 12 sides. 13 for sure. 14 I love the layout, the Absolutely I think that's the -- the winner Now moving onto the Winged Liberty aka Mercury 15 Dime Design. 16 3, obverse and reverse 3. 17 do like that continuity, I just can't get past 18 feeling that Ms. Liberty's being portrayed as a 19 mermaid in a lot of ways. 20 seafaring vibes in that regard. 21 22 I know a lot of people were taken by Great medallic choice, I I get a -- you know, I do like Obverse 1, but paired with Reverse 2. I just think those two together would really go www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 121 1 well. 2 have been going for, a contemplative Liberty, but 3 she just seems more preoccupied. 4 Native Alaskan dove on the reverse. 5 that along with Obverse 1 for this particular coin 6 would go over very, very well. 7 Obverse 2, I understand what the artist may I love that I just think Obverse and Reverse 4, I think that would be 8 great to help people latch onto the superhero coins 9 that will be coming out before too long. 10 11 not my overall favorite. With the Standing Liberty Quarter designs, 12 this was my favorite portfolio to see. 13 of my all-time favorite US coins. 14 Reverse 1, very powerful, very good. 15 obverse more than the reverse. 16 But just This is one Obverse 1 and I like the But I just can't accept anything else than 17 Obverse and Reverse 2. I think the second design 18 here, when I think of the Standing Liberty Quarter, 19 this just does it for me. 20 incredible rendition. 21 would almost like to see this as our new quarter 22 design starting in 2031 if -- if, you know, we were I think this is an The layout, everything -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 122 1 able to. 2 love this. 3 -- the background. 4 it's a perfect rendition of the eagle. 5 problem with it at all. 6 I just can't say enough how much I just The teardrop shield, the eagle in the And then on the reverse I think I have no And because of that, I couldn't really get 7 into designs 3 and 4 as much. I mean, they're 8 great, I prefer Obverse 3 to the reverse. 9 I side with a lot of my colleagues, what they With 4, 10 stated about it already so I won't go into that 11 much more. 12 With the Liberty Walking Half Dollar, or as 13 most collectors will refer to it, the Walking 14 Liberty Half, Obverse 1 and Reverse 1 almost had -- 15 at first when I saw it, it looked very dramatic and 16 then almost anime inspired. 17 probably translate very well. 18 design. 19 I think this would Really interesting With Obverse 2 and Reverse 2, I'm not wild 20 about the obverse. Again, a little bit too busy, 21 just too many things going on, even for a large 22 silver medal. I do love the reverse and I think www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 123 1 that's my favorite of the reverses. And I'd almost 2 like to see that paired with the obverse for number 3 4. 4 But I just think that Obverse 4 with Reverse 2, 5 would be an absolute winner in my opinion. 6 And -- yeah, Obverse 5 and Reverse 5, I know it's a little bit busy, a lot going on. 7 interesting but the thing I like about it most is 8 the font on both sides. 9 offer, Peter. 10 11 And that's what I have to Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you very much, Sam. Dr. Harcourt Fuller, if you're with us? 12 DR. FULLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I 13 want to thank Mike for his expertise on this -- 14 with this portfolio. 15 going to say is, you know, inspired by his 16 expertise with this portfolio. 17 come up with some better or similar analogies 18 --(inaudible) -- Budweiser, mermaid. 19 well I'll do with that. 20 A lot of what I'm -- I'm And I also have to Let's see how 1804 Silver Dollar, I really like 1, the first 21 one. I think like a lot of my colleagues it has a 22 lot of great potential. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 124 1 2 3 2, I believe that's too crowded, so I'm not going to give that a lot of points. 3, I really like this coin. I actually do 4 like the fact that the sails, you know, the sails 5 are the American flag. 6 of, you know, diplomacy I think it works well. 7 I like the obverse as well as the reverse. 8 this is a great coin. 9 4, the -- yes. And I think that in terms So I think I -- I wasn't -- I didn't like 10 the phrase "the king of coins". 11 colleagues have used a Budweiser analogy, I was 12 thinking more historically, you know, the British 13 monarchy, et cetera. 14 analogy that I was using. 15 on the -- on the coin. 16 Again, my So that's -- that's the Having the word "king" And then 5, I actually really love this. I 17 like the obverse, I don't -- I don't think it's too 18 sort of busy. 19 beautifully designed coin. 20 obverse than the reverse on that one. 21 22 I just think it's a -- it's a I -- I prefer the Onto the next one, the Double Eagle. Let's see, I agree with Annelisa, that's the first thing. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 125 1 I -- I thought that the eagle was being shot or 2 shot at. 3 like that because it's two sides of -- of the coin, 4 but I think if they could somehow flip it, I'd be 5 fine with that. 6 I like the way how the eagle's wings sort of 7 encircle the coin and I like the lines as well. 8 think that it has great symmetry and I -- I think 9 it's -- it's a great -- it's a great coin. I know that, you know, it won't appear But I actually do like the design. 10 On 2, I did like this coin, showing the 11 designer and the finished product, but, you know, 12 given what Mike said, I'll take that into 13 consideration as well. I 14 On 3, I actually love the reverse. I actually 15 do like the eagle's wings in the form of the 16 American flag. 17 United States and I just think it's a perfect fit. 18 It's a perfect match to -- to symbolize the -- you 19 know, what -- the history of this country and 20 what -- and what the eagle means to this -- to this 21 country. 22 do like the -- the obverse as well, but the reverse The eagle is synonymous with the So I really like that. So -- and I -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 126 1 2 I think it's a great -- great design. 4, please. If my memory serves me right, I 3 believe Mike wasn't very fond of this. 4 it, however I think the font for me is a little bit 5 too out there. 6 streamline font, even though I know some of my 7 colleagues like it. 8 not the font as much. 9 I would like to see a more But I like the -- the images, Moving on to the Mercury Dime. 10 really sure about 1. 11 we can -- we can go to 2. 12 sure what to say about it. 13 I do like I wasn't It -- so -- I think we can -I think it's -- I wasn't I'm not -- I think Annelisa -- I don't know -- 14 I can't recall if this is the -- one of the coins 15 you were referring to, but I'm wondering if it has 16 too much skin on the obverse. 17 my only comment. 18 or no. 19 appropriateness of -- of that much skin on -- on 20 the coin. 21 22 That -- that's just I'm not deciding, you know, yes It's -- it's merely a question as to the Next one, please. This is probably -- (crosstalk) -- yes? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 127 1 DR. VAN ALFEN: I wonder if I could just 2 interrupt, I think Annelisa was about to just make 3 a correction there. 4 DR. FULLER: Please. 5 MS. PURDIE: Okay. This is Annelisa Purdie. 6 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 7 Yes, that is -- I like the reverse. 8 dove for that one. 9 obverse for number 2 because of the droopy nature. 10 I know it's supposed to be contemplative, but it's 11 not coming off that way. 12 DR. VAN ALFEN: 13 Thank you, Harcourt. I like the I wasn't crazy about the Thank you. Yep. Okay, Harcourt. Go ahead. 14 DR. FULLER: 15 appreciate that. 16 is one of the strongest coins that -- the 17 continuity between the obverse and the reverse, I 18 really like. 19 Thank you, Annelisa. Next one, please. Next one, please. I I think this My -- my comments about 20 this I think -- I think this is one of those coins 21 that Mike wasn't that fond of. 22 gaudy if I may say so as well. I think it's a bit www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 128 1 Let's go to the Liberty Quarter, please. On 1 2 again, I have the same question about, you know, 3 the -- the amount of skin that's showing. 4 you know -- of course it's a modern rendition, so I 5 suppose it's okay. 6 question out there. 7 I guess, But I -- I wanted to put that And number 2, I actually did like this coin. 8 I don't have a problem with seeing the behind of 9 the eagle, trying to find the right word. But I 10 think the eagle you could -- you can see the 11 strength in its legs, you know, as -- as it's 12 flying. 13 It's very -- you know, it has a lot of detail, a 14 lot of texture. 15 points. 16 So I -- I think that it's a great design. 3, please? So -- so I'll give that one some What I wrote down, it looks very 17 sketchy as in a pencil sketch. I -- I couldn't 18 really wrap my -- my head around it. 19 it needs a bit more grit or a bit more texture, if 20 you will. 21 22 I think that And that's my comments for that. Next, please? I wasn't too fond of this one. I think it's too simple. Again, it looks like it's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 129 1 a -- you know, very pencil sketchy. 2 sure that the message that's -- that the artist is 3 trying to convey is what's necessarily coming 4 through. 5 And I'm not And now let's go to the -- the next one, the 6 half dollar, please. On -- on 1, I do think it 7 looks sort of anime, I do -- but it's a very strong 8 design and I think it's one of the more 9 beautiful -- beautiful ones. It -- it looks 10 three-dimensional, it has a lot of texture to it, a 11 lot of character, and a lot of movement. 12 that's why I actually like that one. 13 14 15 Next one, please. And Mike wasn't too fond of that one, therefore I'm not too fond of this one. Next one, please. I did like this one, but 16 again, I have some questions. 17 Sam or someone else brought this up, there's a lot 18 of skin in the reverse. 19 mark around that one. 20 21 22 Next one, please, 4. too busy. I can't recall if And so I have a question I think 4 is just simply There's too much going on. 5, please. I would say the same thing about www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 130 1 this. 2 very -- very busy as well, so I'll skip that one. 3 Those are my comments. 4 It's a bit sort of pencil sketchy, kind of DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. All right. 5 you very much. 6 offer your comments, please? 7 Dr. Fuller, thank John Saunders, if you would like to MR. SAUNDERS: Sure. Going to the -- well, 8 first of all general comments. I agree with Mike. 9 I'd be surprised if this -- if this program's a big 10 seller. 11 did when he made his comments, but -- you know it's 12 interesting. 13 against it, but not -- I don't see it being a big 14 success. 15 And I'll try to mince my words like Mike Certainly can't hurt anything, not But for designs, I kind of like the 1 on the 16 obverse and I also like 3 on the obverse. I'm not 17 sure I like her hair out behind it, but it's -- 18 it's kind of -- Liberty there versus Liberty in the 19 O4 on the floor part of the ship, I thought it was 20 a good combination. 21 that is a pretty great design. 22 back of 1 was okay, but kind of mediocre. I think it's pretty -- back of And I thought the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So those Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 131 1 are kind of my -- I like the front of 1 and the 2 back of -- of 3. 3 symbol of the countries on the back if it's a 4 diplomatic thing, but I always heard it was the 5 King of Siam and -- (inaudible) -- the ruler of 6 Oman was for the two things. 7 (inaudible) -- when I lived in London, the Sphinx 8 family owned one of the sets so it was always the 9 dream to be able to buy it -- (inaudible) sold to 10 Maybe put some -- some sort of So -- so this coin -- somebody else quickly. 11 In terms of the Saint-Gaudens Gold Piece, 12 Annelisa and I have been on the same wavelength two 13 or three times today. 14 thought it was -- Diana was shooting the eagle. 15 think it was probably put -- pushed to me a little 16 bit because on the next page the sword goes 17 through, it connects the front and the back. 18 if you don't see them pictured beside each other, 19 you just see them on a coin, I don't think it's a 20 problem. 21 aiming up a little bit more, but I don't think it's 22 necessary because it's -- again, we're looking at I looked at this thing and I But If you want to you can rotate Diana www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 132 1 the two of them side by side. So I like the 2 obverse, I like the reverse of this. 3 Mike killed the next one. 4 Number 3, I like the obverse of Liberty there. 5 That's -- that's a good -- (inaudible) -- I like 6 the concept of the eagle. 7 two kind of a dippity doo [sic]. 8 coming out but then another flag coming up 9 underneath it. I don't know why it has It's got the flag It seems like to me if you're 10 looking at an eagle's wing, it should be just one 11 flag. 12 on there. 13 could like it if it didn't have the dippity -- the 14 double dip sort of thing. 15 It -- it wouldn't have the dippity doo [sic] So I don't like the way it is, but I Moving to the Mercury Dime, I kind of like 16 design 1. 17 it's an Asian lady on the obverse, is that -- am I 18 interpreting that right? 19 necessary to do that. 20 more standardized Liberty. 21 22 And -- and -- obverse, reverse I presume I don't know that that's Maybe you would just use a Design 2, I really like the reverse, but not for this program. I don't see it coming here -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 133 1 I'd love to see it come back on maybe Native 2 American -- or some other program. 3 3, gets it. I like the fact that the helmet 4 and head of -- of Liberty is here. My question is 5 what she's -- what's she doing with the hand that's 6 held up here? 7 My one main thought is just it's too bad this is a 8 medal and not a coin. 9 getting a coin of the year award if it was a coin. Maybe gripping something to hang on? We might have Donald here 10 But I like the continuation, I think it's very 11 innovative. 12 13 14 I think the obverse of 4 is okay. like the reverse. I don't It's not one of my favorites. Moving onto Standing Liberty Quarters. My 15 first comment is it will be lovely to get -- if 16 O'Neil had a studio picture similar to the half 17 dollar of 3R. 18 the skin on this thing, well, you know, everyone's 19 aware of 1916, the -- she was topless and they -- 20 they came back in -- (inaudible) -- 1917, covered 21 her with a male frock but it was -- it would be 22 cool to have something like -- again, the half You know, they made comments about www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 134 1 dollar. 2 whether O'Neil did anything like that, but it's 3 reminiscent of that. 4 that if you look on Dutch coins, which I collect, 5 it may have Pallas Athena as Hollandia on a lot of 6 coins. 7 not topless, she's topless, she's not topless. 8 it's interesting how tastes go. 9 A different author, and I don't know I find it also interesting Depending on the time, she's topless, she's But in terms of designs for the Standing 10 Liberty Quarter, I like 1. 11 little bit thick there. 12 big as her waist. 13 1, it's okay. 14 I think her leg is a I mean, it looks almost as Just a thought. I liked the obverse of 2, The reverse of that's my favorite. 15 I'm not as excited about the reverse, but it's 16 okay. 17 3, the gal is just too stern and too mad. 18 know, it's -- let's go out and destroy someone. 19 The reverse isn't bad. 20 21 22 So You And the -- for 4, I don't think it fits the theme. Going on to the half dollar. Obverse 1 kills www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 135 1 it. I think that was an artistic interpretation of 2 what was there before. 3 Reverse of 1, eh. I like it an awful lot. It's okay. 4 I don't like Obverse 2, and reverse is okay. 5 I -- on 4 [sic], I wouldn't vote for it. 6 I mean, again, it's too bad we can't get something 7 with O'Neil to go with the quarter like 3R. 8 9 4, the obverse I thought was okay. awfully busy, but it's okay. But It's The reverse of 4, 10 really grabbed me. 11 Liberty inspiring the artist I think that's a cool 12 concept, I think it's nicely done here, it's just 13 -- I thought this was a wonderful design. 14 I first looked at this, I thought we had to take a 15 pair, but if we just switch around, I'd sure love 16 to see Obverse 1 with Reverse 4. 17 think much at the time at all -- sorry. 18 those are my thoughts. 19 20 21 22 DR. VAN ALFEN: This reverse where you have And when And I didn't Anyway, John, thank you very much. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, if you would, please? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman -- (inaudible) -- what can I say? This was an www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 136 1 amazing -- amazing set of portfolios. 2 -- (inaudible) -- a huge -- 3 MS. WARREN: I think the Hey, this is Jennifer. I would 4 turn off your camera because I think you're cutting 5 out, at least on my end. 6 7 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Okay. Okay. Can you here me now? 8 DR. VAN ALFEN: Yes. 9 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Can you -- right. Okay. 10 Good. 11 task for the artists, you know, this is a -- being 12 charged with remaking contemporary medals inspired 13 by -- (inaudible) -- coinage, you know, very 14 difficult. 15 16 17 18 19 I was saying, I think this was a very huge So with that in mind -- DR. VAN ALFEN: you. Jeanne, I think we've lost Jeanne, can you hear me? MS. WARREN: I'll email her and ask her to call in, Peter. DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. All right while we're 20 waiting for Jeanne to reconnect, I'll offer my own 21 comments. 22 For the 1804 Dollar, I'm a nautical nerd so www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 137 1 always happy to see ships on -- on any coin or 2 medal, although I wasn't particularly thrilled with 3 any of these. 4 Number 3, of course, is a rather interesting 5 reimagine, but the artist here has taken a rather 6 elegant ship swoop peacock and turned her into a 7 rather bloated monstrosity on the reverse with 8 confused rigging on the rest. 9 design is interesting, I just, I'm afraid, can't 10 get beyond the details. 11 12 So -- and while the I do like number 1. I think that is probably the strongest in this portfolio. 13 For the 1907 Double Eagle, I -- I'm happy with 14 number 3. 15 Kellen did raise concerns about the kitschyness of 16 the flag on the wings -- and for some reason here I 17 do think that the kitschyness works. 18 quite put my finger on why I think that is the 19 case. 20 I think that that would work. And while And I can't Number 4 is a design, obverse, reverse, that I 21 really love and I would love to see this struck at 22 some point. Whether as part of this program or www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 138 1 perhaps as an American Liberty rendition at some 2 point in the future. 3 this reverse as part of the American Liberty 4 portfolio recently. 5 standout and something I would like to see struck 6 at some point. 7 In fact, I believe we saw So this, for me, is really a With the dime, I'm happy to confer with my -- 8 or happy to agree with my colleagues. Number 3 I 9 think is probably the standout design here. And 10 this does have motion, does have continuity between 11 the obverse -- (inaudible) -- 12 For the Standing Liberty Quarter portfolio, I 13 too am rather drawn to the motion of number 2. 14 think that that is a fitting homage and -- to the 15 original quarter. 16 of it. 17 depiction of the eagle on the reverse. 18 that this really does convey motion in a way that 19 we've never seen before on a US coin. 20 I I really quite like the motion And I'm not particularly bothered by the I think For the Walking Liberty Half, I'm perfectly 21 happy with number 1. I think that is a lovely 22 reinterpretation of -- of the original coin and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 139 1 it's something that I'd like to see struck. 2 Jeanne, I see that you're back with us. 3 offered my comments -- 4 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: I'm happy -- happy to return to you to have you offer yours now. 7 A. Well, I'm so sorry. 8 disconnect. 9 that -- can you hear me? 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: 11 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 12 MS. WARREN: 13 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 15 16 And I Yes, I am. 6 14 So I was just -- Internet So I was going to try to go to -- wait. Is Yes, we can. Jennifer? Yeah. Okay. So if we go to the silver dollar -- (inaudible) -DR. VAN ALFEN: -- (inaudible) -- we lost you. We lost you, Jeanne. 17 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 18 MS. WARREN: 19 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Okay. There you are. -- (inaudible) -- so if 20 we could go to number 1, please? 21 design 1. 22 opened the portfolio. Okay. For the dollar, I was astounded by this when I I thought that this was www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 140 1 quite -- quite beautiful and I believe that the 2 artist was totally inspired and, you know, just hit 3 it right on. 4 particular group. 5 So this is my favorite of this If we could go down to number 5, is it 5? 6 Okay. 7 very much, I just didn't think it was exactly as 8 beautiful as number 1. 9 5, I know a lot of people liked this one And then if we could go to number -- well, I 10 can't -- (inaudible) -- I wanted to go back to the 11 ship design. 12 one where we have Liberty as -- yes, perfect. 13 Number 3, okay. 14 put Liberty on -- (inaudible) -- you know, going 15 out and reaching out to different nations. 16 that if we don't use this on this program, we 17 should keep these two. 18 number 3, was a little bit too intense, not enough 19 information. 20 We were looking at the -- the first I thought this was brilliant. To I think I feel like the reverse, And I did like the fact that we had on one of 21 these designs, number 2 I believe -- if we could 22 put the reverse of 2 with the reverse -- on the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 141 1 obverse of 3, we might have a nice combination. 2 Because now we are recognizing those countries that 3 we did traffic with. 4 those are my comments for this portfolio. 5 So that is my comments -- And then if we could go to the next, please? 6 Next portfolio, please? Yeah, okay. 7 complement the artist for this rendition of -- 8 actually doing what -- what they were charged for, 9 to be inspired by, you know, Saint-Gaudens Double 10 Eagles. 11 -- (inaudible) -- this particular coin is -- 12 (inaudible) -- you know we -- (inaudible) -- but I 13 think this was a very good one. 14 I think this was quite good. Again, I -- I Next, please? And I think This is my choice. Next design, please? Number 2? 15 Yes. 16 Saint-Gaudens as much as Mike does. 17 agree with Mike, this probably is not the -- 18 (inaudible) -- appropriate for this coin. 19 Saint-Gaudens, I love Saint-Gaudens. And number 3, please? Hello? Yes. I love And I have to Design number 3, 20 please? I agree with my colleagues 21 this is a very dynamic piece. 22 But when I -- when we talk about the little eagle I like it very much. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 142 1 wings if -- if -- if the wings were redesigned to 2 be one flag that would sort of my match the flight 3 feathers of the eagle I think this would make a 4 little bit more sense. 5 that group. 6 Those are my comments for And the next, please? Yes. Right. I love 7 this piece. 8 Liberty is well-designed and I think well-deserved. 9 So I thought that this was my favorite one. 10 11 I think that putting an Asian image as Not sure on the reverse, but I did like this one piece. Next, please? I agree with Annelisa. I love 12 this dove. 13 a key? 14 great, but to have this on our coinage -- it's a 15 great Native American piece. 16 although I see the -- it's the crown of Lady 17 Liberty and her background and -- I'm not sure that 18 would be convincing to everyone. 19 I'm not sure what it's carrying, is it If someone could tell me that would be Number 3, please? I think the obverse, Now this is loved by so 20 many people. I think it's very dynamic. I'm not 21 sure I like the reverse with the sword penetrating 22 whatever it is, history I guess. So I was not -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 143 1 was a little confounded with that. 2 3 Next slide, please? Yep. I thought each one of these, although interesting, were too busy. 4 So can we go to our next portfolio? So 5 Walking -- Walking -- this eagle, we have never 6 had. 7 forward. 8 like this very much. 9 really standing up to something, although he's not And eagle with his -- (inaudible) -- going I mean, this is just very powerful. I You -- he looks like he's 10 flying, he's probably stretching his wings. 11 Liberty, I agree with my colleagues, this leg is a 12 little too chunky -- (inaudible) the rest of her 13 body. 14 And Design number 2, is probably my favorite of 15 this group. I just like it. It's very well done. 16 It's crisp and it's a different look at our eagle. 17 We -- we just have so many eagles, and this is 18 different. 19 tail feathers are underlining America. 20 statement so -- so -- (inaudible) -- And like the fact that the tail -- the 21 Next one please, hello? 22 DR. VAN ALFEN: It makes a Yep --(inaudible) -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 144 1 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Okay. All right. This 2 one, I don't have anything to say for it. 3 can just move on to the next group. 4 Half Dollar, yes. 5 number 1. 6 And I think that I don't really have anything more 7 to say about this group. 8 so... I think I've covered everybody. 9 10 13 The Walking Okay, this was my favorite, It's very dynamic, it's very modern. DR. VAN ALFEN: This is my favorite one All right, Jeanne. Well, thank you very much. 11 12 So if we MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: say. That's all I have to Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: Yes, thank you, Jeanne. 14 appreciated. 15 opportunity to comment on this portfolio, all five 16 groups. 17 additional questions, maybe motions from members? 18 Mike, I see your hand is raised? 19 All right. Much So we have now all had an And at this time, do we have any MR. MORAN: Yes, I had a question for April. 20 April, are these silver medals going to be in coin 21 turn or medal turn? 22 MS. STAFFORD: Medal. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 145 1 2 MR. MORAN: And the regular 24k will be in coin turn? 3 MS. STAFFORD: 4 MR. MORAN: 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: 6 7 Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. All right. Sam, I see your hand is raised? MR. GELBERD: Thank you, Peter. Just one question. This is Sam 8 Gelberd. And again, these are 9 medals not coins, so will these be rendered as high 10 relief designs similar to the American Liberty 11 Silver Medals that we've seen in recent years? 12 13 MS. STAFFORD: MR. VASQUEZ: 15 MS. STAFFORD: 17 18 19 Roger, have we heard from manufacturing definitively on that? 14 16 Let me ask Roger. No, ma'am. Yeah, so we don't have that -- that specification? MR. VASQUEZ: That is correct. We do not have that specification. MR. GELBERD: If I may, I just recommend of 20 course. You know, as a die hard numismatist, the 21 higher the relief the better on these. 22 medals, not circulating coins, so hopefully we can www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 They're Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 146 1 get away with this. 2 you. 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: 4 MR. MORAN: High relief as possible, thank Mike, your hand's raised? How about a motion from Sam to 5 that affect and I'll second it. 6 formal motion from the committee. 7 MR. GELBERD: Let's make it a I'll -- I'll make a formal 8 motion, yes. I do believe these should be rendered 9 as high relief silver medals. 10 MR. MORAN: I second. 11 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. So there is a motion on 12 the table to render these as high relief silver 13 medals. 14 that? 15 motion. 16 by Sam seconded by Mike to render these as high 17 relief silver medals as signified by saying "Aye". Do we have any comments or discussion on All right. Hearing none, let's vote on that All those in favor of this motion proposed 18 [SEVERAL AYES] 19 Are there any opposed? 20 carries. 21 or motions at this time? 22 All right. MR. SAUNDERS: All right. The motion Are there any other questions Peter, it's John again with my www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 147 1 hand raised. 2 I was looking at the reverse of the Standing 3 Liberty Quarter, the one with the tail of the 4 eagle, and as much controversy as we've had on the 5 Morgan Silver Dollar about how the tail feathers 6 were portrayed, probably be a good idea for the 7 Mint to check to make sure that the tail feathers 8 are correct. 9 I just -- it's kind of whimsical, but DR. VAN ALFEN: Sure. We can certainly 10 address that question again if -- if we adopt or 11 recommend one of those reverses. 12 like to ask the Mint, Joe Menna or Mike Costello, 13 if they have anything to share with the committee 14 on the designs for this medal program? 15 MR. COSTELLO: Hi, this is Mike Costello, I 16 have nothing additional. 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: 18 At this point I'd Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mike. Joe, do you have any comments? 19 MR. MENNA: I -- I have no comments. 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right, Joe. All right. Thank you 21 very much. So if there's any further 22 discussion before we -- if there's no further www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 148 1 discussion, I would at this point like for the 2 Committee to score the obverse and reverse 3 candidate designs for the 2026 Seimquincentennial 4 Best of the Mint Silver Medals. 5 should have received the five score sheets 6 electronically. 7 those to CCAC counsel Greg Weinman, who will tally 8 the scores and will present the results. 9 you think 10 minutes will be enough? 10 And everyone And when you're done please e-mail MR. WEINMAN: Greg, do I think we're going to need more 11 than that. 12 realistically speaking -- let's -- let's say at 13 least 15 minutes and then, depending how fast 14 people -- everybody gets it to me. 15 where we are at that point. 16 This is going to -- I think DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. And we'll see Let's -- it is now 17 approximately ten minutes before 2:00 p.m. so why 18 don't we meet back at 2:05 p.m. 19 (Break from 1:48 p.m. til 2:10 p.m.) 20 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. All right. So we are 21 back and I recognize Greg Weinman, counsel to the 22 CCAC to present the results from these scoring www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 149 1 2 sheets. Greg, all yours. MR. WEINMAN: This time we are out of 30 3 points, a possible 30 points. 4 the 1804, Obverse number 1 received 22 points, 5 making it the high-scoring design. 6 2 received 10, number -- Obverse 3 received 14. 7 Obverse 4 received 4 and Obverse 5 received 14. 8 9 To start off with Obverse number Moving on to the 1804 reverses. Reverse number 1 received 19 points, making it the 10 high-scoring design. 11 Reverse number 3 received 16, Reverse number 4 12 received 4 and Reverse number 5 received 10. 13 that we can move on to the 1907. 14 DR. VAN ALFEN: 15 MR. WEINMAN: Reverse number 2 received 9, Ready? Yes. Again out of 30 points. 16 number 1 received 17 points. 17 received 13. 18 the high-scoring design. 19 19 points. 20 So at Obverse Obverse number 2 Obverse number 3 received 27 points, Obverse number 4 received Moving onto the reverses. Reverse 1 received 21 17 points, Reverse 2 received 10, and Reverse 3 and 22 Reverse 4 were each tied at 20 points each. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 20 for Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 150 1 2 3, 20 for 4. Moving on to the dime. The Winged Mercury -- 3 -- moving on to -- okay. 4 obverses. 5 received 5 points, Obverse 3 received 26 points, 6 making it the high-scoring design. 7 received 10. 8 9 Starting with the Obverse 1 received 16 points. Moving on to the reverses. Obverse 2 Obverse 4 Reverse 1 received 17 points, Reverse 2 received 12 points, Reverse 3 10 received 27 points, making it the high-scoring 11 design, and Reverse 4 received 6 points. 12 Moving on to Standing Liberty. Obverses, 13 Obverse 1 received 13 points, Obverse 2 received 24 14 points, making it the high-scoring design. 15 3 received 7 points and Obverse 4 received 5 16 points. 17 Onward to the reverses. Obverse Reverse 1 received 10 18 points, Reverse 2 received 23 points, making it the 19 high-scoring design. 20 and Reverse 4 received 5 points. 21 one -- Walking -- 22 DR. VAN ALFEN: Reverse 3 received 7 points, And did I miss Walking Liberty. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 151 1 MR. WEINMAN: Yes, Walking Liberty. 2 Okay. 3 number 1 received 27 points, making it the 4 high-scoring design. 5 received 6, Obverse 3 received 9, Obverse 4 6 received 10 points, and Obverse 5 received 4. 7 Walking Liberty obverse. Sorry. Walking Liberty Walking number -- Obverse 2 Finally the reverses. Reverse 1 received 25 8 points, making it the high-scoring design. 9 2 received 13 points, Reverse 3 received 8 points, 10 11 Reverse Reverse 4 received 7 and Reverse 5 received 5. DR. VAN ALFEN: All right, Greg. 12 very much. 13 entertain any motions if there are any? 14 hand is raised. 15 MR. MORAN: Thank you At this time, I'll be happy to Mike, your Let me make discussion first, 16 Peter. This is Mike Moran. We've got a dilemma 17 with the reverse on the Double Eagle. 18 going to help it any because I will tell you that 19 Saint-Gaudens at the very last in May of '07, 20 proposed to Theodore Roosevelt, which he never saw, 21 the standing eagle rather than the flying eagle for 22 the reverse for the Double Eagle. And I'm not So therefore, I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 152 1 have no real preference as to which eagle goes. 2 know that there are issues with the flag and I 3 share them a little bit honestly. 4 they put a permanent curl in that flag. I'm sure it 5 was because of the wind and they wanted to do a 6 fold, but it doesn't exactly look all that good. 7 And even choked on that a bit when I looked at it 8 at first and then I got used to it. 9 I It's like if We -- the problem I have with coin -- or 10 motion for either one or the other, is that the 11 fonts are so radically different. 12 at the reverse on -- what is it? 13 look at reverse number 4, versus the obverse of 14 number 3. 15 terms of the difference of them. 16 to either font, but I don't really think that the 17 font from number 4 on the obverse would go -- play 18 all that well on the obverse of number 3. 19 answer is I don't know what the hell to do. 20 not going to be able to make a motion on this I 21 don't think. 22 were to force me to vote, I think I would be voting And if you look Number 4? Let's They're pretty much in-your-face in I'm not opposed So the I'm If I were, I think I would -- if you www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 153 1 for number -- number 4 for the reverse with a 2 modified inscription -- (crosstalk) -- 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you, Mike. Perhaps what 4 we could do is set aside the 1907 Double Eagle for 5 the moment and see if there is a motion for the 6 other four groups. 7 entertain that for the moment. 8 could then just move through each one of the groups 9 individually which might then be the best way to do 10 that. And if not, we So I would suggest then -- 11 MR. MORAN: 12 DR. VAN ALFEN: 13 MR. MORAN: 14 If anybody would like to Peter, this is Mike again. Yeah. I'm fine with the high votes, I'll make the motion for the other four. 15 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. So we have a motion on 16 the table proposed by Mike to recommend the high 17 vote-getters for the 1804, the Winged or Mercury 18 Head Dime, the Standing Liberty Quarter, and the 19 Walking Half. Is there a second on that motion? 20 MR. BERNSTEIN: Arthur Bernstein seconds. 21 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. 22 much. Any discussion? Thank you very All those in favor of this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 154 1 motion to adopt the high vote getters for the 1804, 2 the -- sorry, the Mercury Dime, the Standing 3 Liberty Quarter, and the Walking -- Walking Liberty 4 Half, please signify by saying "Aye". 5 [SEVERAL AYES] 6 Are there any opposed? 7 carries. 8 1907 Metal. 9 All right. The motion So let's return to the problem of the Art, I see your hand is raised? MR. BERNSTEIN: Yes. This is Arthur 10 Bernstein. 11 conversation along. 12 with -- do we let obverse drive this or do we let 13 the reverse drive this. 14 that the obverse got 27 out of 30 points and that 15 leads me to think that maybe we should let the 16 obverse drive this, which would then take us to the 17 Obverse 3, Reverse 3 combination. 18 19 20 I'm just going to try to help move the DR. VAN ALFEN: I heard Mike struggling And I would just point out Thank you. April, your hand is raised? MS. STAFFORD: I just wanted to ask for 21 clarity because I'm messaging with the Chief 22 Engraver. If it -- is there -- can you www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 155 1 articulate -- you said there was a concern or a 2 problem with -- I think it was the 1907 Reverse 3. 3 Is there -- is there something that we're trying to 4 solve? 5 know Joe Menna is on and he might be able to help 6 with -- with the discussion. 7 it's appropriate or not appropriate for the flag to 8 be incorporated into the wing, but then I also 9 heard separately that it seems like there's almost If you could just repeat that because I I have heard whether 10 two levels of wing rather than one because it's got 11 that fold in the wing. 12 determine -- I'm trying to understand, is it one or 13 the other or both? 14 could -- could help out. 15 DR. VAN ALFEN: So I'm trying to And that perhaps Joe Menna Sure. My -- my understanding 16 is that there was one or two of the members who 17 were not particularly fond of the depiction of the 18 flag on the wing. 19 who raised questions about the way that the fold in 20 the flag/wing is depicted. And that would need 21 presumably to be resolved. Because there -- there 22 seems to be some concern about that. But that there were more members www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And I see Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 156 1 that there are a number hands raised. 2 believe your hand was raised first. 3 MR. HOARD: Kellen, I Yeah, thank you, Peter. Just on 4 my end, April, and -- (inaudible) -- as well -- for 5 me I'm pretty opposed to the flag on the wing. 6 like the design, but if we could do it with just 7 like a feathered wing, a regular feathered wing, I 8 think that would solve both problems, of the weird 9 turn in the flag and in my view the flag itself. 10 So I just didn't know if that was even a 11 possibility, of just a feathered wing, in which 12 case I would full heartedly endorse the design. 13 14 15 16 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. I Art, was your hand raised? MR. BERNSTEIN: No. It was to make that point that I made about the obverse. 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: 18 MR. SAUNDERS: 19 DR. VAN ALFEN: 20 MR. SAUNDERS: Okay. All right, thank you. Peter -John, yes. My thing doesn't work. I think 21 it was Jeanne and I that didn't like the two flags 22 in the dippy doo da [sic]. I would either make a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 157 1 motion that if we do the flag, then we have one 2 flag there, without the dippy doo da [sic], but I 3 could live with what Kellen said and just have a -- 4 a feathered wing instead. 5 What would work well? 6 MR. MENNA: Joe, what do you think? Mr. Chairman and -- and Committee 7 members, this is Joseph Menna. Please don't take 8 this in any type of snobbish "I'm the art expert" 9 kind of way, but, you know, historically with the 10 exception of early American 90s sculptures, 11 Adolph -- from Adolph Weinman to almost every type 12 of architectural sculpture that you see 13 representation -- representing of the American 14 Eagle on any edifice in the country, particularly 15 public -- particularly municipal buildings and 16 especially governmental buildings, on federal 17 buildings, eagles are always stylized. 18 have -- none of them -- none of them are realistic. 19 Weinman's famous eagle with -- with the wings going 20 down, that's an impossible configuration for an 21 eagle's wings. 22 artist of what the eagle's wings represent. They always It's his interpretation as an www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 158 1 think sometimes all of us tend -- it's natural to 2 bring a certain literalism when looking at images 3 to -- when one interprets them. 4 But if you think about this dimensionally and 5 sculpturally, what this artist has done, I think in 6 a very poetic way, has created a beautifully 7 flowing singular wing, added that wave to give the 8 effect of a flag, and made a juxtaposition of the 9 American flag and an American Eagle in a way that's 10 never been -- and you have to remember, this is 11 going to be robustly sculpted, even in low relief. 12 It's not going to look like this. 13 to look like a doo dad [sic] as -- as Mr. Saunders 14 said. And I don't mean that as -- as a jab or 15 anything seriously. 16 insculptured, it will read dimensionally, and it 17 will be one of the most uniquely sculptural -- and 18 I'm not lobbying for this design, I support every 19 design as a winner, that's my job. 20 in this looking at it as a sculpture is an 21 opportunity to make one of the most uniquely 22 allegorical sculptural representations of -- of one It's not going It will be beautifully www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 But what I see Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 159 1 of our nation's most dear symbols and our flag at 2 the same time. 3 innovative. 4 for it, you asked me to speak to this design, so 5 that's what I did. 6 It's -- for me I think it's highly And I'll stop there. DR. VAN ALFEN: I'm not lobbying -- (Crosstalk) -- Thank you 7 very much. I think before we proceed any further, 8 we do need to make a decision about whether or not 9 we do in fact want the flag on the reverse, on the 10 wing, as sculpted initially. 11 decide I think for the conversation about what we 12 could do. 13 motion to either remove the flag or retain the 14 flag. 15 16 17 18 19 And that then will So I would be happy to entertain a MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Arthur Bernstein, I'll make a motion. DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. What is the motion? MR. BERNSTEIN: I move that considering 20 Reverse 3, we remain with the design as it was 21 submitted. 22 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Is there a second? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 160 1 MR. MORAN: Second. 2 DR. VAN ALFEN: 3 there any discussion? 4 DR. FULLER: 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: 6 DR. FULLER: This is Mike Moran. Mike, thank you very much. Is Yes. Harcourt, please. Thank you. This is Harcourt 7 Fuller. I -- I just wanted to thank Joe for always 8 providing the right artistic and interpretive 9 context just when we need him. I think it is 10 important to have his voice heard and to have his 11 expertise help guide us in terms of how we look at 12 some of these designs. 13 Joe for that. 14 15 16 Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: Harcourt. So I just wanted to thank All right. Thank you, Jeanne, I see your hand is raised? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: Yes. Thank you, Peter. 17 I -- (inaudible) -- explanation of the flag -- 18 (inaudible) -- artist interpretation. 19 we keep this -- (inaudible) -- maybe it might 20 behoove us to have that flag fluttering a little 21 bit more. 22 it's whipping correctly. I think if For some reason it doesn't look like Maybe if the tip of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 161 1 flag were extended out more like the flight 2 feathers on the eagle, it might help those who 3 find -- that don't like the flag. 4 suggestion. 5 6 7 8 9 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. That's just a Thank you, Jeanne. Any other comments on this motion -- (crosstalk) -MR. MORAN: Peter, I'm sorry. I couldn't get the hand and the microphone at the same time. 10 DR. VAN ALFEN: 11 MR. MORAN: All right. I guess this is a question for 12 April and Joe first of all. 13 rendition of this reverse in September? 14 screw up the production cycle? 15 MS. STAFFORD: Can we see a -- a new Will that Well, for -- for us -- before 16 kind of answering that question, for us we just 17 need to kind of understand what the consensus of 18 the Committee is. 19 the flag, yes. 20 that goes to the other question of whether that 21 kind of -- the -- the way it's currently presented, 22 my understanding is some folks are viewing that as So I've heard definitely we -- The flag should stay. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And so then Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 162 1 like -- like two layers instead of -- instead of 2 one that's kind of waving. 3 our Chief Engraver could speak to that if -- if 4 kind of as a body the consensus is the Committee 5 are disquieted than not perhaps our Chief Engraver 6 could -- could address specific concern. 7 is that kind of the -- the sense of the whole body 8 or just something that's -- 9 10 MR. BERNSTEIN: MR. MORAN: And so I think perhaps But is -- That -- that's my feeling. I -- I think you would get a much 11 stronger vote for this reverse if we -- we had a 12 little bit more comfort in terms of the flag, yes. 13 I think the flag will stay, I just think that 14 the -- the treatment of it needs to be refined just 15 a bit. 16 DR. VAN ALFEN: Okay. I will return to Joe 17 Menna in just a moment to discuss that a little bit 18 further because I see his hand was raised and I do 19 think we need some more comments. 20 hand was raised before so if you would like to go 21 ahead? 22 MR. HOARD: But Kellen, your No -- I was going to be brief www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 163 1 here. I'm just -- you know, it sounds like we're 2 leaning one direction, but just to put it on the 3 record again, that I -- I think the flag is just 4 the wrong direction to go at the moment. 5 I understand the Committee does -- to me it just 6 comes off as gaudy more than, you know, innovative. 7 And ends up layering symbols and metaphors in ways 8 that aren't necessary and end up, like I said, 9 looking more kitschy then I think we intend to. You know, 10 Rather than actually merging -- (inaudible) -- into 11 kind of a new -- (inaudible) -- eagle, I think it 12 ends up looking, to me, thrown together. 13 know, amalgamating elements into one thing that 14 ends up just looking aesthetically worse and not 15 fitting in quite as well as it could have 16 otherwise. 17 I -- you And so I would appreciate it, a least on my 18 end, if we do have a chance to see this portfolio 19 again, an option with feathered wings -- I don't 20 know if we're going to have the opportunity, but 21 even just for consideration. 22 would in itself be aesthetically more cohesive with Because I think that www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 164 1 the obverse and also would bring -- bring forward 2 that symbolism and that meaning that we're looking 3 for without distracting away by putting everything 4 together all at once. 5 many students here when they think about imagery 6 and associating with America, they end up having 7 kind of similar concerns that where they see this 8 over the top gaudy -- gaudy form of, like, 9 patriotism, too raa-raa [sic] then end up actually I know from talking with 10 moving away from that. 11 cents for the record here. 12 DR. VAN ALFEN: So that was just my two All right. Thank you. We 13 still do have this motion on the table, so we've 14 not yet made a decision about that. 15 like to hear some further comments from you, if you 16 -- 17 MR. MENNA: Hey. But Joe, I'd With all -- great respect 18 Kellen, and my -- Kellen, my high school buddy, my 19 high school classmate is the head of the Home 20 Shopping Network if that helps. 21 think because we're looking at this as a graphic 22 symbol and literal juxtaposition -- I'm not a But I think -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 165 1 historian, but I'm pretty well versed in the 2 lexicon of visual symbolism in terms of our history 3 going -- going back to 10,000 years. 4 to sound ostentatious, I just -- I'm old and I'm a 5 student of this stuff til this day. 6 look at it as -- as -- as an American Eagle native 7 to this land, this land itself, and the country 8 that sprang forth from it, you know? 9 another way to interpret it symbolically. 10 I don't want You could even That's But sculpturally, and addressing Jeanne's 11 concerns, there's a lot of darks, there's a lot of 12 shadows, and there's a lot of contrast that makes 13 this look differently than it will in sculpture. 14 As a sculptured element, it'll be more organic, 15 more unified, more subtle -- when I say robust 16 sculpture I'm talking about the relief high [sic], 17 but over -- but within that relief, there's relief 18 on relief. 19 it's not going to stand out like a toy or -- or I 20 don't -- I think -- I would hope you could trust 21 the United States Mint sculpting staff to not make 22 something gaudy and make something beautiful. It's not going to stand out like a -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 166 1 I wouldn't -- I wouldn't be offering you these 2 comments if I didn't think that we could make this 3 a very successful and beautiful coin. 4 a member of the Committee and I'm not trying to 5 change anyone's mind. 6 Chairmen's opportunity to offer my artistic 7 observations only. 8 opinion. 9 But I am not I'm just again answering the I'm not trying to sway anyone's Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: 10 for your comments. 11 MR. SAUNDERS: (Crosstalk) -- thank you again John, did you have a comment? Yes. I kind of started this 12 thing. 13 out fine. 14 for some reason it's not coming out, you know, with 15 a doo da [sic] spanning out, I'm sure he'll fix it. 16 So I'm willing to go along with things as is, and 17 trust Joe. 18 I'm willing to trust Joe that it'll come And he's aware of our concerns, and if DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Thank you. So we 19 still do have the motion on the table, that if we 20 do recommend this reverse that we stick with the 21 flag -- that we retain the flag. 22 further discussion on this motion? Is there any www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 All right. Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 167 1 Then let's vote on a motion. 2 favor of the motion of retaining the flag on this 3 reverse, please signify your approval by saying 4 "Aye". 5 [SEVERAL AYES] 6 MS. WARREN: 7 MR. HOARD: 8 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 9 DR. VAN ALFEN: 10 So all of those in All those opposed, nay? Nay. Nay. So I think that that is 10 -- or 8 to 2; is that correct? 11 MR. WEINMAN: Yes. 12 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 13 DR. VAN ALFEN: Yes. All right. So the motion 14 carries. 15 So we -- we -- at this stage, we have indicated 16 that if we do adopt this reverse, that we will 17 retain the flag. 18 or not we -- we recommend the obverse to go along 19 with this reverse. 20 So are there any further motions then? We still have not decided whether MR. BERNSTEIN: Arthur, your hand is raised? This is Arthur Bernstein. Let 21 me try to help with a motion, that for the 22 Saint-Gaudens Silver Medal, we recommend Obverse 2 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 168 1 2 3 and Reverse 2 [sic]. DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Do we have a second on that motion? 4 MR. SAUNDERS: I think you mean 3, don't you? 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: Oh -- I'm sorry, yes. 6 MR. BERNSTEIN: Sorry, I misspoke. 7 DR. VAN ALFEN: Yes. Thank you. So the motion is to 8 recommend Obverse 3 and Reverse 3, do I have a 9 second on that motion? 10 MR. SAUNDERS: 11 DR. VAN ALFEN: 12 13 14 15 16 Second. John, thank you very much. Any discussion? DR. FULLER: Yes, this is Harcourt Fuller. Are we recommending any changes to Obverse 3? MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Arthur Bernstein. That was not my intent, no. 17 DR. FULLER: Okay. 18 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you. All right. All right. Any other 19 discussion? So all of those in favor 20 of recommending Obverse 3 and Reverse 3, please 21 signify by saying "Aye". 22 [SEVERAL AYES] www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 169 1 DR. VAN ALFEN: Any opposed? Okay. All right. The 2 motion carries. If all discussion then has 3 concluded, I would like to thank the CCAC members, 4 the Mint staff, and the public for their attendance 5 today, since we have now concluded all business. 6 The next meeting of the CCAC will be in September 7 and will be announced in the Federal Register 8 Notice. 9 to the fact that the CCAC will be hosting a public Also, I would like to turn your attention 10 forum at the American Numismatics Associations 11 World Fair of Money on August 7th at 10:00 a.m. in 12 Rosemont, next to Chicago in Illinois, where we 13 will be talking about what we do and more 14 importantly providing members of the public the 15 opportunity to engage with us and hear directly 16 from us. 17 World Fair of Money in Rosemont this summer, please 18 do take time to come and participate in our public 19 forum there. 20 you there and to meeting you. 21 a motion to adjourn. 22 So if you will be attending the AMAs We very much look forward to seeing MR. SAUNDERS: Now I will entertain I'll move. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 170 1 DR. VAN ALFEN: John, was that you? 2 MR. SAUNDERS: 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. 4 DR. CAPOZZOLA: I'll second, it's Chris. 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: All right. Yes. 6 very much. 7 please signify by saying "Aye". [SEVERAL AYES] 9 DR. VAN ALFEN: 10 stands adjourned. 11 very much. 13 Chris, thank you All those in favor of this motion, 8 12 Is there a second? All right. This meeting It is now 2:40 p.m. Thank you THEREUPON the meeting was concluded at 2:40 p.m. 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting July 16, 2024 Page 171 1 2 CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER I, ASHTYN PLUNKETT, do hereby certify that this 3 transcript was prepared from the digital audio recording 4 of the foregoing proceeding, that said transcript is a 5 true and accurate record of the proceedings to the best 6 of my knowledge, skills, and ability; that I am neither 7 counsel for, related to, nor employed by any of the 8 parties to the action in which this was taken; and 9 further, that I am not a relative, or employee of any 10 counsel or attorney employed by the parties hereto, nor 11 financially otherwise interested in the outcome of this 12 action. 13 Dated: 14 July 22nd, 2024 15 16 17 ASHTYN PLUNKETT 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting [07 - 2] 0 07 151:19 1 1 11:16,18 16:8 18:19 21:11 26:7 27:18 28:20 32:7 34:17,18 39:13 40:16 46:3,6 46:13 47:1,8 48:3,12,16,20 49:15 50:2 51:19 71:21 77:11 79:6,6 81:11 83:2,2 84:22,22 86:10 86:11 100:13 100:14 101:7 101:22 103:1 103:11 106:11 106:12 107:20 109:3 111:5 112:6 116:22 118:12 119:14 119:14 120:21 121:5,13,14 122:14,14 123:20 126:10 128:1 129:6 130:15,22 131:1 132:16 134:10,13,22 135:3,16 137:11 138:21 139:20,21 140:8 144:5 149:4,9,16,20 July 16, 2024 Page 1 150:4,8,13,17 151:3,7 1's 118:15 1.598 77:19 10 4:5 11:16 18:12,12 30:5 34:9 37:7 43:4 44:8,15,17 46:10,16 47:6 47:15 48:18,21 48:22 49:6,8 49:15,22 50:4 148:9 149:6,12 149:21 150:7 150:17 151:6 167:9 10,000 165:3 100 63:13 67:15 10:00 1:8 169:11 10:50 45:12 11 11:16 18:19 30:8 34:13 35:21 46:17 47:16 48:3,18 49:8,19,22 11:00 45:6,12 11:35 73:22 75:1 12 44:8 46:9,9 47:12,14,16 48:4,15 49:7 50:4 150:9 12:15 74:15,17 75:1 12a 47:17 13 34:9 47:6,18 48:21 49:4 50:3 103:7 114:11,11 149:17 150:13 151:9 14 46:11 47:3 48:4,7 50:2 149:6,7 15 44:15 48:22 49:2 66:7,15 148:13 16 1:7 4:4 47:9 48:14 50:6,8 97:14 149:11 150:4 17 47:12 48:5 149:16,21 150:9 1776 11:10 56:21 1787 9:13 18 48:17 49:1 1804 77:10 79:2,4,7,14,17 80:5,12,19 93:19,21 107:17 112:21 113:13 117:12 118:11,14 123:20 136:22 149:4,8 153:17 154:1 1834 114:12 1850s 97:20 1864 37:16 19 49:2,5,18 149:9,19 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 1907 77:11 81:8,12 82:2,9 82:16 96:4 137:13 149:13 153:4 154:8 155:2 1916 77:12,13 77:14 82:21 83:16 84:19 85:2,10,16 86:1,9 133:19 1917 133:20 1945 83:16 1960 68:9 1962 113:16 19th 59:6 68:8 1:48 148:19 1a 11:18 19:1 27:18 34:18 40:16 47:9 48:3,21 50:3 1o 100:13 1r 100:13 2 2 11:16,18 19:1 19:2 26:12 28:21 30:18 32:13 35:4,17 35:18 37:11 46:7,14 47:2,3 47:11 48:4,14 48:16,21 49:8 49:16 50:3 81:22,22 83:8 83:8 85:9,9 86:15,15 89:20 98:9 100:16,18 Meeting [2 - 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