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January 24, 2006
Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee
Public meeting
United States Mint Headquarters
801 9th Street, NW
2nd Floor
Washington, DC
Present:
John Alexander
Leon Billings
Bill Fivaz
Rita Laws (via telephone)
Mitch Sanders
Donald Scarinci
Ken Thomasma
S. Joseph Winter
Ute Wartenberg Kagan
1. Chairman Mitch Sanders called the meeting to order at 9:30 am.
2. All members of the Committee were sworn in by Acting Director David Lebryk.
3. By motion duly made by Leon Billings and seconded by Bill Fivaz, the minutes
of the meeting held on November 15, 2005 were unanimously approved. The
letter to the Secretary was noted.
4. Chairman Mitch Sanders announced that he has appointed as members of the
Executive Committee Donald Scarinci, who will also act as Vice Chairman, and
Ute Wartenberg Kagan as Secretary.
5. Kaarina Budow, Program Analyst, Sales and Marketing, of the United States Mint
presented proposed designs for the 2007 issues of the 50 State Quarters Program.
The committee evaluated designs using a procedure whereby each member
assigned each design a rating of 0, 1, 2, or 3 points, with higher numbers
indicating higher ratings. The committee’s overall preference was calculated by
summing the ratings of all members. With 9 members present and voting, the
resulting scale ranges from a minimum of 0 points to a maximum of 27 points.
The following comments were made on the four designs for the reverse of the
Montana quarter:

MT-1 Bull Elk in an open landscape with the rising sun: Members
commented on the fact that the sun was rising over the western
mountains, which was not correct. The design was generally popular
with most members.
MT-2 Bison skull over a landscape, with the inscription BIG SKY
COUNTRY: Committee member Leon Billings, a native of Montana,
explained to the committee about the power of this symbol in the
state’s history, and that this design, in his view, most captured the
state. Members also thought that the large image would translate well
onto a quarter coin.
MT-3 State outline with landscape and a rising sun: This design was not
popular with the committee, which is generally averse to state outlines.
MT-4 A landscape with river and mountains; in the sky the inscription BIG
SKY COUNTRY: Some members thought that this image was
representative of the Montana landscape, others thought that it was not
powerful enough. There were also concerns about how it would
translate into the small size of a coin.
Design MT-2, with the bison skull, was the committee’s top recommendation
with 25 out of a possible 27 points. The other votes were MT-1 with 13 points,
MT-3 with 4 points, and MT-4 with 9 points.
The following comments were made on the designs for the state of Washington.
WA-1 Salmon, Mount Rainier and an apple within an outline of the state:
CCAC members disliked this design, which was considered too
cluttered and busy. Committee members generally agreed that designs
featuring a collage of various elements are not successful.
WA-2 A salmon breaching the water with Mount Rainier as a backdrop:
members strongly endorsed this theme, which was seen as attractive
and significant for the state. It was suggested to remove the drops of
splashing water, and perhaps to replace the small waves with a few
simple lines to indicate the water’s surface. Some members expressed
concern about the accuracy of the salmon’s appearance.
WA-3 A Northwest Native American stylized orca: undoubtedly this design
was the most controversial considered during the meeting. Most
members thought that it was fundamentally flawed -- resembling a
cartoonish airplane -- and was far too simplistic. Three members
expressed admiration for this theme, while others supported the idea of
Native American art, but using a very different design.
Design WA-2 was the committee’s most preferred, with 24 points out of a
possible 27. WA-1 received 0 points, and WA-3 received 8 points.

Four design suggestions were presented for the Idaho quarter.
ID-1 A Peregrine Falcon, with a state outline and the sate motto ESTO
PERPETUA (“May it Be Forever”): Members liked the strong design
of the falcon head, but felt strongly that the state outline detracted
from the overall design. Most members felt that the state outline
should be removed, and two members felt that it should at least be
reduced in size. It was also noted that the star indicating the location
of the capital Boise was unnecessary and probably unrecognizable in
reduced size on the quarter. It was requested that the design of bird
and outline, if chosen, should be more balanced and leave less space of
the right side of the field
ID-2 Sawtooth Mountains with a river ending in the shape of the state
outline; ESTO PERPETUA below: It was questioned whether the
mountainous landscape was representative of the agricultural state of
Idaho. However, most members expressed admiration for a clever
incorporation of the state outline.
ID-3 Farmland Tapestry; ESTO PERPETUA: This theme was considered
appropriate for Idaho’s vast fields but the execution of lines with
mountains was viewed as far too cluttered and difficult to render in
relief on a small coin.
ID-4 State outline with flower and state song And Here We Have
Idaho/Winning Her Way To Fame: Most committee members think
of state outlines as unflattering. Although some members thought that
on this coin the design was perhaps acceptable, it was generally agreed
that it was still too busy.
Designs ID-1 and ID-2 were in a tie for the first place, both receiving 19 out
of 27 possible points. Design ID-3 received 9 points, and ID-4 received 7
points.
The central theme for designs for Wyoming was a bucking horse and a rider.
Member Ken Thomasma from Wyoming thought that this theme was the likely
final choice of the state, as it was so emblematic for Wyoming. Comments on the
proposals for Wyoming were as follows.
WY-1 Bucking Horse and Rider in silhouette style with the motto THE
EQUALITY STATE: There was much discussion about this unusual
technique, which would be new to the state quarter program if
chosen. Members were keen to know from the US Mint employees
how the difference between the rider and the remaining surface would
differ to achieve a silhouette effect. Members agreed that this could
be an innovative quarter if such a difference in texture could be
created.
WY-2 Bucking Horse and Rider – in relief, with state motto in a state
outline. Some members did not think that the state outline with the
state motto was a successful design element.

WY-3. Bucking Horse and Rider, with Teton mountain range in the
background. Members thought that the mountains in the background
were inadequately rendered.
WY-4 Bucking Horse and Rider, in a typical Wyoming scene. Overall, this
theme –though conventional- was seen as authentic and successful.
WY-5 Old faithful geyser from the Yellowtone National Park, a design
adopted from a very popular 1934 postage stamp. Some members
thought that this was a very successful design. Others thought that it
would be hard to render the steam properly, which presently
resembled dust or an explosion. It was also mentioned that the design
was based on the stamp, whereas the actual appearance did not take
into account movement because of the wind and other present-day
localities.
Design WY-4 was preferred by the committee, receiving 18 out of a possible
27 points. The other voting results were: WY-1 with 14 points, WY-2 with 5
points, WY-3 with 0 points, and WY-5 with 11 points.
The three design proposals for Utah were generally seen as successful. There was
some discussion about which design was most representative for modern-day
Utah.
UT-1 Two locomotives facing each other, with the golden spike between
them. Mountains in the background, with CROSSROADS OF THE
WEST above. This design represents one of the most significant
historical events in American history; in 1869 the completion of the
transcontinental railway in Utah brought the East and West together.
Some members thought that the depiction of a historical event
deserved support. However others thought that the depiction of the
event was perhaps not clear enough and that the subject was too
complex for a depiction on the quarter. There was some criticism of
the details of the locomotives, which were not viewed as historically
accurate. It was suggested that if this design were adopted, the words
“TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAD” should appear beneath the
scene, and the date and location of the event should also be indicated
in the coin’s design.
UT-2 The beehive, with flower, and THE BEEHIVE STATE. The beehive
symbol has a strong connection with the state of Utah, and the design
was seen as unproblematic if perhaps as uninspiring.
UT-3 Winter sports representative by a female snow boarder in a mountain
landscape, with “THE WORLD IS WELCOME”. The depiction of a
young woman in a thoroughly modern sport was seen as a depiction
of modern-day Utah. But members were concerned that the design
did not translate well onto a coin.

Design UT-1 was narrowly preferred with 20 out of 27 points, with UT-2
receiving a close second place with 19 points. UT-3 received 11 points.
6. Kaarina Budow proceeded to present proposed designs for the obverse of the
Presidential Dollar coin, to be issued beginning in 2007. Six templates, all based
on the United States Mint’s Presidential medal series, were presented. It was
intended by the Mint that a single template should be used throughout the
Presidential dollar series.
There was an initial discussion about the timeline for the series, which
Mint employees said was tight. Several members of the committee expressed
their extreme disappointment about the designs as a whole. It was then agreed to
begin by discussing and evaluating the designs as currently presented. This
agenda was established because the committee considered that part of its mandate
was to comment on the specific designs presented, even though the use of the
Presidential medal images was widely considered to be unsatisfactory. The
committee agreed that after discussing the images presented by the Mint, it would
return to the question of the overall suitability of the Mint’s plan to use designs
based on Presidential medals.
Most members believed that design 3, with its clear lettering, large
portraits, and more modern look, was most acceptable of the alternatives
presented.
The results of the votes were (out of a possible 27 points):
Design 1, with rope as decorative border: 3 points
Design 2, with beading as a decorative border: 6 points
Design 3, with larger portraits and a banner indicating order of service: 21 points
Design 4, with laurel, symbolizing victory: 3 points
Design 5, with laurel in a different arrangement : 3 points
Design 6, with laurel and oak, symbolizing virtue and strength: 5 points
Overall the portraits were considered by all members as boring and often
too small. Members wanted to know why the Mint’s Artistic Infusion Program
was not involved in the design process. The committee was told that time
constraints prevented the involvement of the artists of the Artistic Infusion
Program. Ms. Budow also pointed out that the designs were based on official
portraits of Presidents of their period, which had been used in the context of peace
medals and other official purposes.
The committee took a lunch break at 12 noon.
7. The meeting continued at 1 pm with more questions about the artistic and
numismatic merits of the Presidential dollar designs. There was general concern
among members that such a program would be unpopular with more established
coin collectors and a younger audience. Donald Scarinci made a passionate plea
for a return to the drawing board by involving the artists from the artistic infusion
program. He thought that the opportunity to make presidents of the past accessible

to the generation of the 21st century should not be missed. He predicted that the
series would be a failure if it were to go ahead in its present design concepts. The
committee members all concurred with his view.
8. By motion made by Mr. Scarinci and seconded by Mr. Billings, it was
unanimously decided to recommend to the Secretary that the United States Mint
should reconsider the design process by obtaining new images with the help of the
Artistic Infusion Program. It was the sense of the committee that the aggressive
timeline for producing Presidential dollars would still be feasible even with this
additional solicitation of designs, and that a program of such importance would
benefit from additional consideration of designs in the interest of presenting the
best possible artwork.
9. There was some discussion of including on the reverse of the Presidential dollars,
in addition to the Statue of Liberty, some aspect of the Presidency of the person
depicted on the coin’s obverse, to the extent allowable by the Presidential Dollar
Coin Act. However, after it was pointed out that the reverse would be the
unifying design element for this series, and that the clear legislative intent was for
a dramatic rendition of the Statue of Liberty, the idea was dropped.
10. Designs for the Jamestown 400th Anniversary Commemorative Coin program
were then presented by Ann Bailey, Products Manager, Sales and Marketing, of
the United States Mint. This program will consist of a gold $5 coin and a silver
$1 coin, issued in 2007.
Due to the large number of proposed designs for this program, the
committee adopted a two-step procedure for its evaluation process. In an initial
round, each member indicated whether or not each design should continue on for
a more extensive discussion. The support of five members was necessary for a
design to advance. Each of the designs chosen for advancement would then be
discussed, and a vote taken on which should be recommended by the CCAC.
For the obverse of the $5 gold coin three designs received sufficient
support for consideration in a second round: GO-02 featuring Captain John Smith
and Chief Powhatan, design GO-07 featuring John Smith by himself, and design
GO-15 featuring the three ships of the expedition. Several members liked Design
GO-15, but considered it more suitable as an image for a coin reverse. The
committee’s recommended design for the gold obverse is GO-02, which received
six votes of a possible nine. Design GO-07 received three votes, and design GO15 received 0 votes. The committee discussed moving “In God We Trust” to the
reverse of the $5 coin, but ultimately elected to recommend the design as
presented.
Among the proposed gold reverse designs two received sufficient support
for consideration in a second round: GR-02, featuring the Jamestown Memorial
Church, and GR-09, featuring a Native American woman carrying corn. By a
vote of 5-3 the committee recommended design GR-09. In addition, the
committee voted 6-0 to recommend that the inscription “A Gift From Our
Harvest” should be removed from the reverse, out of concern for historical

accuracy. The committee shared the recipient organization’s preference that a
female appear on at least one of the designs for this program.
For the silver obverse only one design received sufficient support to move
forward: SO-03, showing three faces of diversity. The committee therefore
recommends design SO-03 for the silver obverse. The committee also voted
unanimously that the reference to “Founding” should be removed from the
obverse. The committee desired that the coin should reflect the role of AfricanAmericans in the development of Jamestown, but felt that the current inscription
implies, incorrectly, that African-Americans were present at the time of the
colony’s founding in 1607.
For the silver reverse two designs received sufficient support for
consideration in a second round: SR-02, featuring a Native American holding a
bow and arrow, and SR-10, featuring the three ships of the expedition. Both
images were considered acceptable, with the committee narrowly recommending
SR-02 by a 5-4 vote.
10. John Warriner, Assistant Director, Bullion & International Operations,
Manufacturing, of the United States Mint then presented proposed designs for the
Buffalo 24-Karat Gold Bullion Coin. The legislation authorizing this program
provides that James Earle Fraser’s 1913 nickel design should be employed, with
the designs before the committee modified slightly from the original in order to
include the coin’s denomination, weight, fineness, and the motto “In God We
Trust.”
After recommendation by Bill Fivaz, a motion was made by Donald
Scarinci and seconded by Rita Laws to recommend obverse 24K-GO-5, which
exactly duplicates Fraser’s 1913 design, for the coin’s obverse, and 24K-GR-1 for
the reverse. The motion was passed unanimously.
The committee also recommends that the Buffalo Gold Bullion Coin
should have the same textured fields as on the original “Type 1” nickel design of
1913, for both the proof and the uncirculated version. Mr. Warriner indicated that
the fields would be textured, because the dies for the bullion coin would be based
on the original Buffalo nickel dies, but that he would have to find out the
technical feasibility of textured fields for the proof specimens.
Committee members expressed considerable enthusiasm for this program,
considering it to be a success both conceptually and artistically.
11. The committee then received an update on legislative activity related to coins
and medals from Joyce Harris, Acting Director, Legislative & Intergovernmental
Affairs, of the United States Mint.
12. On motion by John Alexander, seconded by Joe Winter, the committee voted
unanimously to adjourn. Chairman Mitch Sanders adjourned the meeting at 2:35
P.M.
13. The next CCAC meeting will be held at United States Mint headquarters in
Washington, DC on Thursday, February 28, 2006.