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January 19, 2021

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CITIZENS COINAGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
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CCAC PUBLIC MEETING

________________________________
DATE:

Tuesday, January 19, 2021

TIME:

10:33 a.m.

LOCATION:

Remote Proceeding
Washington, DC 20005

REPORTED BY:

Elizabeth Finn, Notary Public

Job No. CS4396878

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A P P E A R A N C E S
1. Tom Uram - CCAC (Chairperson)
2. Sam Gill - CCAC
3. Dr. Lawrence Brown - CCAC
4. Dr. Dean Kotlowski - CCAC
5. Mike Moran - CCAC
6. Donald Scarinci - CCAC
7. Dr. Peter van Alfen - CCAC
8. Arthur Bernstein - CCAC
9. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman - CCAC
10. Robin Salmon - CCAC
11. Dennis Tucker - CCAC
12. David J. Ryder - Mint (Director)
13. April Stafford - Mint (ODM)
14. Megan Sullivan - Mint (ODM; Design Specialist)
15. Boneza Hanchock - Mint (ODM; Design Manager)
16. Pam Borer - Mint (ODM; Design Manager)
17. Roger Vasquez - Mint (ODM; Design Manager)
18. Russell Evans - (ODM; Design Manager)
19. Joe Menna - Mint (Chief Engraver)
20. Ron Harrigal - Mint (Manager of Design and
Engraving)

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21. Jennifer Warren - Mint (CCAC Liaison)
22. Greg Weinman - Mint (CCAC Counsel)
23. Betty Birdsong - Mint (Deputy Director OLIA)
24. Elizabeth Young - Attorney Advisor
25. Brandon Hall - Senior Associate Editor of Coin
Update and Mint News Blog
26. Mike Unser - Founder and Editor of Coin News Media
Group
27. Paul Gilkes - Coin World Senior Editor
28. Maggie Judkins -Editor of Numismatic News

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P R O C E E D I N G S
TOM URAM:

Good Morning, I call to order

this meeting of the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee
for Tuesday, January 19, 2021.

I’d like to remind each

member of the Committee to mute his or her phone or
microphone on the WebEx program when not talking and
before you begin any (inaudible), we would like you to
announce your name every time you begin to speak so that
the transcriber has everything correct.

Additionally, I

remind the public to mute your phone and this is a
listening (inaudible) hearing for the public.
So, as we begin, I want to introduce the
members of the Committee.
call your name.

(inaudible) "present" when I

Sam Gill?
SAM GILL:

Present.

TOM URAM:

Thank you.

Dr. Lawrence

Brown?
LAWRENCE BROWN:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, doctor.

Dr. Dean

Kotlowski?
DEAN KOTLOWSKI:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you.

Mary Lannin?

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We’ll come back.

Mike Moran?

MIKE MORAN:
TOM URAM:

Present.
Robin Salmon?

Donald

Scarinci?
DONALD SCARINCI:
TOM URAM:
Tucker?

Present.

Thank you, Donald.

Dennis

Dr. Peter van Alfen?
PETER VAN ALFEN:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, Peter.

Arthur

Bernstein?
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:
TOM URAM:
for the CCAC.

Present.

I’m the Chairman, Thomas Uram,

We have a quorum.

(inaudible).

Okay,

you can (inaudible) Jennifer and we’ll come back for -AUTOMATED VOICE:

Robin Salmon has left

the meeting.
TOM URAM:
quorum.

Oh, she's gone.

We do have a

In addition, Jeanne Stevens-Sollman.

Jeannie,

you’re on?
JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

Yes, yes, yes,

I’m on.
TOM URAM:

Okay.

The agenda for today's

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public meeting includes the recognition and service of
CCAC Member Jeanne Stevens-Sollman.

We will have the

swearing in of the new CCAC Member, Mr. Arthur
Bernstein.

We will have the acceptance of the letters

to the Secretary and approval of the minutes from the
November 2020 meeting.

After this, we will review and

discuss the obverse and reverse candidate designs for
the 2021 "Morgan" and "Peace" Silver Dollar Coins
authorized by Public Law 116-286, the 1921 Silver Dollar
Coin Anniversary Act.
AUTOMATED VOICE:

Robin Salmon has joined

the meeting.
TOM URAM:

And the final part is the -- a

report from our recent Subcommittee, the Working Group
on potential coin themes.

Before we begin our

proceedings -AUTOMATED VOICE:

Dennis Tucker has left

the meeting.
TOM URAM:

-- before we do anything with

the -- from the proceedings, I’d like to ask the Mint
Liaison to the CCAC, Ms. Jennifer Warren, if there are
any members of the press --

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AUTOMATED VOICE:

Dennis Tucker has

joined the meeting.
JENNIFER WARREN:

Yes, Brandon Hall,

senior associate editor of Coin Update and Mint News
blog; Mike Unser, founder and editor of Coin News Media
Group; Paul Gilkes, Coin World senior editor; and Maggie
Judkins, editor of Numismatic News.
TOM URAM:
going to go back.
us?

Dennis?

Welcome, welcome.

I believe Dennis Tucker, you joined

Robin Salmon?
ROBIN SALMON:
TOM URAM:

you.

Okay, I’m

Can you hear me now?

Yup, we’re good, Robin, thank

Mary Lannin, are you on yet?
DENNIS TUCKER:

Tom, this is Dennis.

Can

you hear me?
TOM URAM:

Yes.

DENNIS TUCKER:
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Dennis.
Thank you.

The only (inaudible) is Mary.

Okay, for the record, I’d like to confirm the following
Mint staff that are on the call today, and please state
"present" after I’ve called your name.

Director David

Ryder.

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DAVID J. RYDER:
TOM URAM:

Present.

April Stafford, Office of

Design Management?
APRIL STAFFORD:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, April.

Megan

Sullivan, Design Specialist?
MEGAN SULLIVAN:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, Megan. Boneza

Hanchock, Design Manager.
BONEZA HANCHOCK:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, Boneza.

Pam Borer,

Design Manager?
PAM BORER:
TOM URAM:

Present.
Thank you, Pam.

Roger

Vasquez, Design Manager?
ROGER VASQUEZ:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, Roger.

Russell

Evans, Design Manager?
RUSSELL EVANS:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, Russell.

Chief Engraver, Joe Menna?
JOE MENNA:

Present.

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TOM URAM:
Engraving, Ron Harrigal.

The Manager of Design and
Ron?

RON HARRIGAL:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you.

Jennifer Warren,

Director of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs
and Liaison to the CCAC.

Jennifer?

JENNIFER WARREN:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you.

Our Senior Legal

Counsel and Counsel to the CCAC, Mr. Greg Weinman.
Greg?
GREG WEINMAN:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you.

Deputy Director of

Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs, Betty
Birdsong?
BETTY BIRDSONG:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you.

of Sales and Marketing, Matt Holben.
JENNIFER WARREN:
attend, actually.

Associate Director
Matt?

He’s not going to

I’m sorry.

TOM URAM:

Okay.

Elizabeth Young,

Attorney Advisor and attorney assigned to the Morgan and
Peace Program.

Elizabeth?

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ELIZABETH YOUNG:
TOM URAM:

Present.

Thank you, Elizabeth.

Are

there any other issues -- let’s begin with the Mint.
Are there any other issues that (inaudible)?
(inaudible).

Okay,

You want to check (inaudible) Jennifer,

there seems to be some problem with some of the
(inaudible) they can’t hear me.
JENNIFER WARREN:

I just (inaudible).
I think it’s your

connection, Tom, but you’re breaking up, because
everyone else has been fine.

So, it may be your seat on

your computer.
TOM URAM:

Okay, well, if everyone can

hear then the outside (inaudible) will be able to hear
as well.
JENNIFER WARREN:
TOM URAM:

No.

No.

JENNIFER WARREN:

You’re just -- you’re

the only one breaking up, so it might be -- just be your
connection.
TOM URAM:
makes any difference.

Hm.

Okay, we’ll see if that

I’ll see if that helps any, maybe

(inaudible).

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MAN:

That sounds a little better, Tom.

TOM URAM:

Okay.

Okay, so (inaudible).

Hopefully, you’ll be able to go from there.

Okay,

hearing no other comments regarding the Mint, we’ll move
to the first order of business.

That’s recognition of

the service of Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, who has served
for 8 years in the position as a member (inaudible)
general public in the coinage of the United States.
Jeanne was first appointed to the CCAC in
2012 to represent the general public, and then
reappointed again in 2016.

Jeanne has presented at the

ANA Convention in Philadelphia to discuss the process of
coinage designs.

Professionally, Jeanne is an artist,

sculptor, and medalist, and as such has always brought
her artistic experience and professional training to her
work on the committee, which has been an invaluable
service to all of us here and to the CCAC.
Ryder would like to say a few words.
DAVID J. RYDER:
much.

Director

Director Ryder?

Sure, Tom.

Thanks very

And I, for one, would much rather be doing this

in person, Jeanne.

Your smiling face and your

effervescent personality is infectious, and I would

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rather, as I said, be doing this in person and giving
you a great big hug.

But I’ll do that virtually.

JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
DAVID J. RYDER:

Me too.

With that said, I want

to start today by thanking Jeanne for 8 years of service
to the United States Mint and the Citizens Coinage
Advisory Committee.

Jeanne, your artistic discussions

at meetings have been invaluable to the committee, as
well as the Mint's artists.

Over the years, Jeanne has

served on special committees, evaluating artist
candidates and current artists for the Artist Infusion
Program.

In her CCAC work, Jeanne always considers the

artists' needs - how we could best support them in
developing the most artistically excellent and programappropriate candidate designs.

She has served as a US

delegate to FIDEM, the Fédération internationale de la
médaille d'art and the President of American Medallic
Sculpture Association, AMSA.

In these roles, she has

continued to work to bridge the Mint with these
organizations.

Additionally, Jeanne serves as one of

the artist judges for the commemorative coin competition
for Breast Cancer Awareness, and the very important

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Apollo 11 50th Anniversary Commemorative Coin Programs.
Jeanne is also the recipient of the
American Numismatic Association Award, ANA, for her
Excellence in Medallic Art, and was a recipient of the
American Numismatic Society's J. Sanford Saltus Award
for Single Achievement in the Art of the Medal.

Jeanne,

thank you for your service as a member representing the
interest of the general public in the coinage of the
United States.

At some point, hopefully in the not-too-

distant future, we will invite you back in person to
present you with the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee
Public Service Award back in Washington.

So, we can

properly recognize your fabulous 8-year contribution to
the United States Mint, and to the CCAC.
JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
DAVID J. RYDER:

Thank you.

For anyone who is not

aware, the CCAC Public Service Award includes a framed
certificate, a three-inch Alexander Hamilton Secretary's
medal, and Jeanne's choice of a three-inch bronze
duplicate medal reviewed during her tenure as members of
the CCAC. I think that’s going to be a hard choice for
you, Jeanne.

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JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
DAVID J. RYDER:

It is.

It is.

But ladies and

gentlemen, please join me in thanking a fabulous,
wonderful lady, Jeanne Stevens-Sollman for her service
to the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.

Well done,

my friend.
JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

TOM URAM:

Now I’d like Jeanne Stevens-

Sollman to say a few short words, and once again,
Jeanne, unfortunately, we are doing this remotely again,
but I’m sure that (inaudible).
JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
Thank you.

Hello?
TOM URAM:

You’re good.

JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
Okay.
Ryder.

Thank you, Tom.

Thank you.

Am I good?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Director

Is there some way that we can mute something?

There’s so much chatter.
JENNIFER WARREN:

Yeah, if everybody

who’s not talking, please mute your mic, that will help.
JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

Director Ryder, Members of the

Committee, Members of the Staff, to quote Meryl Streep,
it is easier to say hello than goodbye.

It has been an

honor and a privilege to serve as a member of the CCAC,
an enriching experience for me to discover the
importance of legislature's roles in minting our coins.
It seems like only yesterday, I was overwhelmed by my
first CCAC meeting, overwhelmed by the wealth and
breadth of numismatic knowledge sitting at the table,
and overwhelmed with the charge set before us: the
charge of having to choose the best design for our US
coinage.
During my tenure, I had the opportunity
to meet several members of the Native American community
while we worked on the Code Talkers' Gold Medal Program.
To hear their concerns, to appreciate their culture
firsthand, and I am grateful for that privilege.

It was

the stakeholders' program that lit the fire under me to
become part of this decision-making group.
Coins are the art in our pocket.

We pass

these to people who mostly never look at them when we
make change.

It is my purpose to call their attention

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to the America the Beautiful series, the National Parks
series, and of course, as we embark on the historic
program of Women in American History, I will continue to
point out these minted stories.

Our coins are a true

history of America.
Charles Bukowski, the German-American
poet and novelist, said, an intellectual says a simple
thing in a hard way.
simple way.

An artist says a hard thing in a

And this is what we try to accomplish as we

review portfolios for each assigned program.

Find the

best, the strongest, the simplest design to satisfy the
legislative challenge, the stakeholder, and of course, a
numismatic community.

Remember that negative space

often says more than a planchet bulging with objects.
As I leave this illustrious committee, I
thank you all for being part of this well-oiled
decision-making machine - a machine that blends together
the ideas that eventually become a small ambassador of
American heritage, a bright light in the palm of your
hand.
you.

Bukowski says, find what you love and let it kill
I believe all of you have this passion for

numismatics, and will continue to produce beautiful,

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dynamic coins.
To my old friends, Mary -- Mary, I hope
you’re on here.

Mary, congratulations on becoming the

next Chairperson of the CCAC.

I know you will lead them

well, as you have before, and continue to choose great
dining venues.

Especially (inaudible).
Donald, I know you’ll always surprise the

group with your interpretation of portfolio designs and
let your opinions be known.
least.

Refreshing, to say the

You have no idea what an important voice you

have had for me.

You helped me to analyze my own

thoughts and present them with alacrity.
Dennis, thank you for your continuing
ability to grace our meetings with eloquence and
sensitive observations.

Your sincerity humbles me.

And Mike, I have always appreciated your
watchful eye on details of military dress and weaponry,
and your keen observation of nature.
for accuracy.

Continue to press

I know you will.
Robin, I hope you continue to count all

the feathers on all the birds presented in the designs
to the committee, to keep a watchful eye on the

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presentation of nature.
And Tom, let your calmness and deep
knowledge of numismatics be sustained as you continue
your term.
To new members and friends, I regret that
I cannot speak to all of your attributes, or the
personal insights you will bring to this committee, as
there has not been enough time to get to know you.

I

wish you great success as you learn how to keep this
fine machine well-oiled.
To the staff, you have been a strong and
guiding part of our work as a committee, preparing
presentations, vetting portfolios, organizing field
trips and conferences, and mints, so that we better
understand the process of minting our coins.
you for that.

I thank

I am forever grateful, especially to

April and Betty, who steadied my wobbly legs as I began
this fantastic journey, and to Jennifer, who continues
to guide us through the legislative challenges of our
work.
And lastly, as US delegate to FIDEM, I
hope you will continue to pursue your interests in

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international medallic art.

Our next congress will be

held in Tokyo, Japan December 4th through 6th, 2021.

It

is proposed that 2023, congress will be held in
Florence, Italy.
To my friends, dear, friends, it is never
really goodbye, but au revoir, as we hopefully plan to
meet at the next venue of coins.

Thank you so much, Mr.

Chair.
JOE MENNA:

Jeanne, thank you.

JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:
JOE MENNA:

I just --

Thank you, Joe.

Many of you don’t know, but

it was Jeanne that got me involved in the Society of
Medalists, and that exhibit held several years back in
the rotunda there at the Mint, but thanks to Jeanne and
her drive of the Medalists (inaudible) had quite a
collection of Society of Medalists and connected me and
that legacy will continue and Jeanne, thank you for all
you’ve done and will continue to do for all medalists
and (inaudible).

It’s a great honor knowing and

continuing (inaudible).
JEANNE STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

Thank you.

Thank you, Joe.

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JENNIFER WARREN:
Jennifer Warren.

Mr. Chairman, this is

Just to let you know, Mary is back on,

and also, there was an issue from the public.

The sound

was dropped, but we have corrected that, so we should be
all good to go.

Just wanted to let you know.
TOM URAM:

Okay, that’s what I had

thought earlier, that we had a sound problem, so I’m
glad you checked it out, so, we’re good to go?
(inaudible). Okay.

And the next order of business is

the introduction and swearing in of our newest member,
Mr. Arthur Bernstein, who will be serving in the same
position that Jeanne held.

Mr. Bernstein was appointed

by Secretary Mnuchin on January 14th of 2021.

Director

David Ryder of the United States Mint will now
administer the oath of office.
DAVID J. RYDER:

Director Ryder?
Thanks, Tom.

(inaudible) great work, my friend.

Jeanne,

And who could miss

Florence, Italy, for crying out loud?

Let’s all try to

get there.
So, Arthur, congratulations, Arthur
Bernstein, our newest member of the CCAC.

Arthur, I

don’t know if you know this, but you have good friend in

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Senator Robbie Portman from Ohio, who wrote on your
behalf to me several times.

Robbie and I go back about

40 yours in friendship, and when I saw his letter of
recommendation for you, I had to take notice.
took a little while, but welcome aboard.

I know it

We’re looking

forward to having you with us.
Arthur comes from a long life of
collecting as a youngster, and he shares that hobby of
collecting with school groups, in college, wherever he
had the opportunity.

He served as a Boy Scout merit

badge counselor for the coin collecting merit badge,
he’s taught hundreds of Scouts to appreciate the
American numismatic coinage, he brings -- he'll be
bringing an enormous wealth of knowledge and love for
the numismatics, and I now have the privilege, Arthur,
of, although it seems very formal, but I have the
privilege of swearing you in.

As a good lawyer, you’ll

understand all these formalities, but I have the
privilege of swearing you in as a Member of the CCAC, so
if you could kindly repeat after me, we’ll get this
formality out of the way and get you fully signed on as
a new member.

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ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

Yes, sir.

DAVID J. RYDER:

But please repeat after

me: I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic.
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

I do solemnly swear

that I will support and defend the Constitution of the
United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
DAVID J. RYDER:

That I will bear true

faith and allegiance to the same.
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

And I will bear true

faith and allegiance to the same.
DAVID J. RYDER:

That I take this

obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion.
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

That I take this

obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion.
DAVID J. RYDER:

And that I will

faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I
am about to enter.
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

And that I will

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faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I
am about to enter.
DAVID J. RYDER:
Well done.

Congratulations, Arthur.

And now, let me turn it over to you for a

few words, if you’d like to.
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:
Director.

Well, thank you,

As a result of a remote swearing in, this may

be the first swearing in witnessed by a Golden
Retriever.

Simba is behind me.

I think he slept

through the whole ceremony, but I am honored to take
this position.

My love and appreciation of our coinage

began when I was a Cub Scout.
first Flying Eagle cent.
valuably participating.
TOM URAM:

My father gave me my

I look forward to actively and
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Arthur.

Thank you,

Director Ryder, and the golden retriever did raise his
right paw, so you’re (inaudible).
Okay, welcome aboard, Arthur, and we now
turn to the business of the committee.

The first item

on our agenda is to review the approval of the minutes
and the letters to the secretary from our last meeting
in November of 2020.

Are there any comments on the

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documents?

Hearing none, is there a motion to approve

the minutes and the letters?
DENNIS TUCKER:
TOM URAM:

Motion to approve.

Dennis.

Thank you, Dennis,

and second?
LAWRENCE BROWN:
TOM URAM:
discussion?

Lawrence Brown, second.

Dr. Brown, thank you.

Any

Hearing none, all those in favor, signify

by saying aye.
ALL:

Aye.

TOM URAM:
approved.

Thank you.

Hearing none, the motion is

Now we move on to the

consideration of the obverse and reverse candidate
designs for the 2021 "Morgan" and "Peace" dollar
authorized by Public Law 116-286 - the Silver Dollar
Coin Anniversary Act.

April Stafford will present the

portfolio designs for these two coins.
APRIL STAFFORD:

April?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It is the 1921 Silver Dollar Coin Anniversary Act that
requires the Secretary of the Treasury to mint and issue
$1 silver coins in recognition of the 100th anniversary
of completion of coinage of the "Morgan" dollar and the

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100th anniversary of commencement of coinage of the
"Peace" dollar.

The "Morgan" and "Peace" dollars, of

course, are among the most popular coins ever issued by
the United States Mint.
The "Morgan" dollar was minted from 1878
to 1904 and again in 1921.

In December 1921, Treasury

Secretary Andrew Mellon approved the "Peace" dollar,
replacing the "Morgan" dollar and commemorating the
declaration of peace between the United States and the
Imperial German Government.
minted from 1921 to 1935.

The "Peace" dollar was

The coins honoring the

"Morgan" and "Peace" dollars are to have obverse and
reverse designs that are renditions of the designs
historically used.

The Mint has returned to original

assets to develop these renditions of the original
"Morgan" and "Peace" dollars.

With the exception of the

year of minting, the inscriptions on the coins remain
the same as the originals.
In 1921, the Mint will strike "Morgan"
dollars in Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Denver.

The

coins from San Francisco will bear an S mint mark, and
the coins from Denver will bear a D mint mark.

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coins minted in Philadelphia will not contain a mint
mark - an homage to the original "Morgan" dollars.
Philadelphia will also produce "Morgan" dollars with
privy marks honoring the New Orleans and the Carson City
mints, as a nod to the additional two mint facilities
that originally produced the "Morgan" dollar.

The 2021

"Peace" dollars will be struck in Philadelphia, and will
not contain a mint mark, also honoring the first year of
striking of the "Peace" dollar.
So, we’ll take a look first at the 2021
"Morgan" dollar.

The "Morgan" dollar was designed by

George T. Morgan.

The obverse, seen here, features a

profile of Lady Liberty, and the reverse features a
heraldic eagle.

I’ll move onto the "Peace" dollar.

This, of course, was designed by Anthony de Francisci,
and features the Goddess of Liberty on the obverse, seen
here, and a bald eagle clutching an olive branch on the
reverse.
So, Mr. Chairman, we have those four
candidate designs for you and the committee's
consideration.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, April.

Before we

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begin any of our discussion, I’d like to ask our
(inaudible) Ron Harrigal, Director of Design and
Engraving (inaudible) Joe?

How about Ron?

RON HARRIGAL:

Yes, Tom.

Okay, go ahead,

Joe.
JOE MENNA:

No, you go ahead, Ron.

You

go ahead.
RON HARRIGAL:
Harrigal.

Yeah, okay, this is Ron

We have -- we don’t have original assets that

were in place when they were actually making the coins
at that point.

We do have fragments, including various

hubs, plasters, galvanos, and such.

Our restoration-

type process -- of course, it says rendition in the
legislation.

We try to do the best we can to replicate

the original, piecing together the various components we
have.

We do high-resolution scanning and then we map

them to our relief targets and planchets that we are
currently using.

As you know, now, our intent is to use

a 3-9 silver planchet that we used for our commemorative
dollar, which has the very slight reduction in volume,
but nonetheless, comes out to exactly the same weight
and overall specifications as far as thickness and

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diameter of the coin as measured.
So, we take those assets, we piece them
together, we use high-resolution imagery of actual coins
to try and best replicate what the artists' intent was
when they designed the original -- the original designs.
Joe, would you like to add anything else?
JOE MENNA:

No, just as Ron said, we very

carefully pieced together various best aspects of
different assets that we have in order to recreate -not recreate but do renditions of the new coins that are
-- that honor the original intent of the original
artists as much as possible.
TOM URAM:

Any other technical questions

or legal questions from the committee about this program
or these designs before we begin our general
discussion?

Okay, let us begin our consideration.

I’d

like all members to please keep comments to five minutes
or less, identify yourself when you start, (inaudible).
And (inaudible).

Hearing.

JENNIFER WARREN:

Tom, this is Jennifer.

You’re breaking up again.
TOM URAM:

Okay.

Strange, I did not

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move, but -- additionally, if there are any members who
have questions or comments or anything else to discuss,
please bring them up when you’re recognized or at the
end for additional comments.

Let’s begin our

discussion, and let’s start with Mike Moran.
MIKE MORAN:

Mike?

Tom, I just really want to

make a statement about this program.

I think it’s one

of the most important programs the Mint has undertaken.
It is our heritage, numismatically.

A large part of the

heritage of the Mint, looking back in our history, it’s
a proud history.

These coins really are iconic designs

that -- both in their time, expressed the goals and
aspirations of our country.

I think that we need to put

our best foot forward going forward, and in fact, go the
extra mile in everything we do to get these out to our
customers, and do everything we can to deliver for our
customers the product that they really want.
TOM URAM:
it.

Thank you, Mike.

Appreciate

Dr. Brown?
LAWRENCE BROWN:

good morning Mr. Chair.

Good morning, all, and

I must confess that, as a young

collector, I did not have the opportunity to, in fact,

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collect these coins, so I’m really appreciative of the
opportunity to be involved in this conversation and
discussion.

This is phenomenal.

As much as I am a

contemporary collector, I must confess that I always -in fact, I’ve been amazed by my colleagues who collect
the classics, so it inspires me to, in fact, understand
that even the coins that I collect, at some point, will
become classic.

So, again, Mr. Chair, this is a

wonderful opportunity.

I’m thankful that I have the

opportunity to participate.
TOM URAM:
Scarinci.

Thank you.

Thank you, doctor.

Donald

Donald?
DONALD SCARINCI:

First, I really need to

congratulate not only the US Mint and the perseverance
of the US Mint Director and the staff, particularly
Jennifer, for their hard work in getting this
recognition to get this done, but I also want to
(inaudible) want to acknowledge the hard, hard work by
you, Tom, and by Mike.

Without your efforts, and

without the two of you really just not letting this go,
you just -- you just, you know, you just stayed on it
and stayed on it, and -- until it happened, and

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notwithstanding everything else that was going on in
Washington, DC, you were focused.

And it just shows

that when you focus, it’s amazing what you can
accomplish, and the numismatic community owes this great
debt of thanks to all of you for making this happen.
And you know, these coins, most people
are aware, these coins, for a lot of collectors, are a
form of entry into the hobby, you know, every bit as
much as putting pennies on a penny board.

And as people

moved from pennies to a penny board and then -- and
start to look at those -- you know, look at those slabs
with the grades and say, gee, you know, maybe I should
learn to grade, and these sets are very collectable.
You can really assemble some really nice -- really nice
little short sets and long sets of "Morgan" dollars and
"Peace" dollars, and in lower grades, they’re very
affordable, they’re very beautiful, and they’re very
educational because they represent a very important part
of our American legacy.
And you’ve made this possible for the new
generation to really become interested in our heritage
through what is about to become a contemporary Mint

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product, and you should be congratulated for that and
thanked for that, and I’m sure -- well, I’m sure you
are.

So, thank you.
MIKE MORAN:
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Donald.

Thank you, Donald, and I’m

sure Mike would concur with that, and you know, we would
(inaudible) people such as yourself, Donald, say this is
who we need help from or whatever and we tried to use
that.

But true teamwork.

remarks.

Thank you for those kind

Mary Lannin?
MARY LANNIN:

Okay, and after Donald,

it’s really hard to think of something new to say, and I
want the record to reflect that. I can’t believe the
energy that the Mint and Tom and Mike put in to get this
done.

I voted, I did whatever I could, I contacted the

people that I could, and I’m so happy that we’ve got
such a big success at the beginning of the year.
Congratulations, all.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Mary.

Thank you.

And indeed, thanks for your other help on that as well,
and writing -- you know, it took an effort from the
collector community as well to reach out to their

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representatives, so, there were people that really
reached out and thanks for everyone that did that.
Robin Salmon.

Robin?
ROBIN SALMON:

Thank you, Tom.

there’s not much more that I can say.

Again,

But, I am

thrilled that these two beautiful coins are coming back.
I’m the proud owner of some of the first "Morgan" and
"Peace" dollars, inherited through my family, and I’m
very happy about that.
TOM URAM:

Thank you.
Thank you, Robin.

bring out a good point, there.

Many of us started, if

we got "Morgan" dollars, we inherited them.
exactly right.

I think you

You’re

That’s how many of us received our first

dollars for sure, and hopefully, this will bring a new
generation to this (inaudible).
SAM GILL:

Thank you, Robin.

Sam?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Well, I will echo my experience with these dollars as
well.

As a small boy, I was given two silver dollars.

One was a 1921 "Morgan" and one was a 1921 "Peace"
dollar.

So, as it turns out, many years later, I’ve got

the honor and the privilege to work with all of you to
actually reproduce these in a new rendition and carry

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this history out into the future, and we can all be so
proud of it.

I want to offer my congratulations, along

with everyone else, to Tom and Mike for their tremendous
effort to get this done.

I know how hard it is to get

legislation done from my own personal experience, and
I’m just in awe of what has happened.
Also, a special thanks to Dave and to
Jennifer for all of your hard work, and the rest of the
Mint staff for doing just such a superb job.

We can be

so proud of this, and it’s a wonderful way to start a
new year, and I do appreciate the honor.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Sam.

DENNIS TUCKER:

Thanks, Tom.
Dennis?

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Kudos to Joe Menna and Ron Harrigal and your teams at
the Mint.

I appreciate the challenge you faced in

recreating these designs, and you know the pressure and
the scrutiny that you’ll face as hundreds of thousands
of very active and passionate collectors look at these
coins.

Thank you for clarifying that these designs are

homages and renditions of the originals.

I think that

you’ve done a very good job.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Dennis.

Thank you,

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and I think they have, and they’re commended for it, for
sure.

Dr. Dean?
DEAN KOTLOWSKI:

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

As a young collector in the very late 1970s and early
1980s, I loved being able to acquire these coins.

I got

my first "Morgan" dollar from my grandfather and thought
it was magnificent, and the "Peace" dollar was just as
magnificent, if not more so.

As a historian, I very

much appreciated the written comments and the reminder
that peace coming out of WWI, technically came to the
United States in 1921 with the Treaty of Berlin 100
years ago, and not through the Treaty of Versailles,
which of course, the US Senate rejected.

So, I thought

I would bring that to your attention, commend everyone
involved with this program, and heartiest
congratulations on two truly excellent coins.

Thank you

very much, Mr. Chairman.
TOM URAM:
Dr. Peter van Alfen.

Thank you, Dean.

Thank you.

Peter?

PETER VAN ALFEN:

Yeah, thank you,

Chairman. I have to say, I’m really excited about this
project, and like some of my other colleagues, really

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have to commend the Mint staff, especially Joe and Ron,
for the work they've done in restoring this coinage.

I

think they’ve done a tremendous job, and even though I
don’t know the details of these coins as well as some of
my colleagues on the committee, I have to say that the
restoration of these coins is just fantastic, and I’m
sure that many collectors will really appreciate the
attention to details.
And I also have to say that the "Peace"
dollar has always been one of my favorite US coins.

I

really love the design of it, but also, the story of de
Francisci using his wife, Teresa, as the model for
Liberty on the obverse, and even though there was some
blowback once the coin was revealed, partly because she
just seemed a little young and, I seem to recall quotes
of her appearing "insipid," but nevertheless, it really
is just a tremendous portrait.

And even, you know, a

tribute of the love that he had for his wife.

And so,

again, it’s always been one of my favorite coins and I
very much look forward to acquiring a 2021 version of
it, along with the "Morgan".
TOM URAM:

So, thank you.

Thank you, Peter.

Arthur

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Arthur?

Art?

ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

Art, please.

As the

rookie, I can’t take much credit for this great success.
I’ll just say they’re beautiful and I’m pleased with
proceeding.
TOM URAM:
Art.

Thank you, Art.

Thank you,

And I thank everyone, also, who helped, as Donald

had mentioned, there were times that we really had to
throw some deep, deep balls if we’re going to go with a
football analogy here, and we had some jump ones out
there, and they made it, thanks to many of you that
reached out to your particular legislation -- or
senators and congresspeople.
So, I want to also thank, for the record,
Kentucky Congressman Andy Barr for initially putting
this in the -- together.

As you know, this started out

as a commemorative bill, and it evolved into this, since
those slots had been filled, and that created even a
larger challenge.

But congratulations to Congressman

Barr.
With that, are there any additional
comments from any members at this time?

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MIKE MORAN:

Tom, I’ll just add, it took

about two hours over Christmas last year, sitting in
this office where I am with Andy to get him convinced
that he needed to redo the bill and drop out the
commemorative element.

Just a bit of a side bar, there.

TOM URAM:

No, an important one.

There

were a lot of things like that, that had happened along
the trail, and it all worked out, and thanks to the Mint
staff and Jennifer and all the legislative efforts that
were put forth by all the collectors as well, most
importantly.

Are there any further discussions?

Do I

have a motion to accept the "Morgan" and "Peace" design?
MIKE MORAN:

Tom, this is Mike.

I would

like to move that we unanimously accept the designs
submitted by the Mint for the "Morgan" and "Peace"
silver dollars for 2021.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Mike, and I would

appreciate the opportunity to second that motion.
GREG WEINMAN:

This is Greg.

Just real

quickly, I presume that by accept, you mean recommend?
MIKE MORAN:

Oh, Greg.

Let the record be

corrected.

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TOM URAM:
there any further debate?

Got it.

So, we recommend.

If not, I’ll take a vote.

Everyone in favor of the motion, signify by saying
"aye".
ALL:

Aye.

TOM URAM:
unanimously approved.

Hearing none, it is

Thank you all.

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Exhibit 1

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Dollar Coins for the 1921 Silver
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TOM URAM:

Okay, moving right along, per

the CCAC operating procedures and Section 5135 of Title
31, United States Code, the CCAC is responsible for
advising the Secretary of the Treasury with regard to
events, persons, and places that the Advisory Committee
recommends be commemorated by the issuance of
commemorative coins in each of the five calendar years
succeeding the year in which a commemorative coin is
designated and made.
Recently, several members of the CCAC met
as part of a working group to discuss ideas for
commemorative coins.

I thank Robin Salmon, Dr. Lawrence

Brown, and Donald Scarinci for agreeing to be on the
working group with me.

From our discussion during our

initial meeting on January 8th of 2021, there are
several ideas I’d like to present to the CCAC as a whole
to formally consider recommending to the Secretary and
sharing with Congress.

Information was sent to each of

us, each of the Members, on the ideas to be considered
prior to today.

We will take each one up separately and

allow Members to share their thoughts on specific ideas,
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formally recommend the idea.

I ask that you keep your

comments to the idea being presented and stay within the
timeframe.
The first idea for consideration is a
commemorative coin in recognition of the upcoming 250th
celebration of the signing of the Declaration of
Independence in 2026.

Recently, the President signed

the Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act that gives
the Secretary the authority to redesign the obverse and
reverse of all circulating coins and up to five reverse
designs on the quarter dollar in 2026.

The suggestion

is that the commemorative coin in recognition of the
birth of our nation is to be passed for either 2023,
2024, 2025, or 2026, to commemorate this celebration.
Now, specifically, 2023 to 2025 would be
preferable years so that the recipient organizations
could receive the funds in time for that celebration
that would occur in 2026, as well as not to compete
against other numismatic products.

Significant

historical events in these years occurred as part of the
birth of our nation, so let us begin our considerations,
and let’s begin with Dr. Brown.

The idea -- the thought

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of this for one of those years.
LAWRENCE BROWN:
the fact that we commemorate.
historic event.

I certainly do support
This is a remarkable

I must confess that I do not feel I

have enough information to determine which of those
years in which to, in fact, actually have the -recommending the minting.

However, I, again, without

question, support the fact that we should commemorate,
and I will back -- go along with the committee in terms
of their recommendation in terms of which of those years
prior to the event.
TOM URAM:
Donald Scarinci.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Donald?

DONALD SCARINCI:

Yes.

Of course.

I

(inaudible) on the committee, so I don’t really need to
repeat what I said there, but I support that.
TOM URAM:

Okay, thank you.

MIKE MORAN:
TOM URAM:

Mike Moran?

Tom, I’m good with it.
Okay, thank you, Michael.

Mary?
MARY LANNIN:

Tom, I agree with what the

committee and subcommittee said. I don’t know how long

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it takes the Mint internally to get funds to people that
need it, so I think the earlier the better, but I will
go along with the wishes of the committee.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Mary.

ROBIN SALMON:
obviously.

Thank you.
Robin?

Yes, I’m in favor,

I don’t have a specific date in mind, a year

in mind, and will go along with what everyone else votes
on that.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Robin.

ROBIN SALMON:

Thank you.

TOM URAM:

Sam?

SAM GILL:

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I

think the -- I think we would all be remiss if we didn’t
support this.

This is a wonderful, wonderful idea and I

am all for it, and however the logistics work in terms
of the years and the Mint and the production and so
forth, I’m in favor of, but I think it’s a tremendous
effort to do this, and I love it.
TOM URAM:

Thank you.

Thank you, Sam.

DENNIS TUCKER:

Dennis?

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I

think that the Coinage Redesign Act already sufficiently
addresses the commemorative nature of circulating coins

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that will be used to mark our 250th anniversary of
independence, so I think a separate commemorative coin
would be repetitive.

I think it would be premature to

the celebration in 2026.

I would note, as the working

group has, that the Battle at Lexington and Concord has
already been commemorated in 1925, so -- or was it 1926?
Anyway, we had a commemorative half dollar for that
event.

I just think that the Coin Redesign Act for the

circulating coins, which will include a special dollar
coin in 2026, is sufficient to achieve what this
recognition is trying to get at.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Dennis.

DEAN KOTLOWSKI:
I support this initiative.

Dr. Dean?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I think a special coin of

the Boston Tea Party would be truly excellent in 2023,
First Continental Congress in 2024 would be fine by me.
I would point out that 2025 is actually not the 250th
anniversary of the Stamp Act, but the 260th anniversary
of the Stamp Act.

That’s something that we should

consider as well, as we move forward.

With respect to

Lexington and Concord, we had a coin earlier in 1925.
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see that on the Massachusetts quarter, so we’d need to
look at a different kind of design.

If we did not want

to go with Lexington and Concord, another possibility
might be something along the lines of Paul Revere's
ride.

But overall, I’m very supportive of this

initiative and thank you very much.
TOM URAM:
Alfen.

Thank you, Dr. Dean.

Dr. van

Peter?
PETER VAN ALFEN:

Chairman.

Yeah, thank you, Mr.

I’m very happy to support this initiative as

well, and in terms of the dates, I will support whatever
the committee thinks is best.
TOM URAM:

Thank you.

Thank you, Peter.

Arthur?

Art?
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

I’m in support.

Thank

you.
TOM URAM:

Thank you.

And as part of the

working committee, we wanted to bring this forward
because it’s important for the organization to be out in
front of this for the event, and so forth, so we
appreciate the confidence in the committee.

So, with

that, without any further discussion, do I have a motion

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to recommend a 250th commemorative coin in one of the
following years: 2023, 2024, 2025, or 2026?
DEAN KOTLOWSKI:
MAN:

Dean Kotlowski, motion.

(inaudible) so moved.

TOM URAM:

Dean, and second?

PETER VAN ALFEN:

I second.

Peter van

Alfen.
TOM URAM:
any further discussion?

Thank you, Peter.

Is there

If not, all those in favor,

signify by saying aye.
ALL EXCEPT DENNIS TUCKER:
TOM URAM:

Any opposed?

Aye.

Motion carried -

DENNIS TUCKER:
TOM URAM:
you, Dennis.

Okay.

Opposed.

Opposed?

One opposed, thank

Next, the second idea is not a

commemorative coin, but a possible Congressional Gold
Medal to posthumously award the medal to the signers of
the Declaration of Independence.

This medal could be

awarded for 2026 and used at exhibits related to the
Semiquincentennial Celebration and eventually housed at
Independence Hall.

So, let us begin our discussion and

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I’ll start with Dr. Brown.

Dr. Brown?

LAWRENCE BROWN:

It’s without question

that this is something that we should be supporting.
So, without further ado, I say, amen, let’s rock.
TOM URAM:
Scarinci?

Thank you, doctor.

Donald

Donald's (inaudible).
DONALD SCARINCI:
TOM URAM:

Yes, I support it.

Okay, Donald, thank you.

Mike

Moran?
MIKE MORAN:
TOM URAM:

Again, I’m supporting it.
Mary Lannin?

MARY LANNIN:
everyone.

I will join my voice with

I will support it.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Mary.

Robin

Salmon?
ROBIN SALMON:
TOM URAM:

Yes, sir, I support it.

Dennis Tucker?

DENNIS TUCKER:

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This, I do feel, is an appropriate way to commemorate
the 250th anniversary of independence and to honor the
signers of the Declaration, so I’m in support of this.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Dennis.

Dr. Dean

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Kotlowski?
DEAN KOTLOWSKI:
TOM URAM:
Peter van Alfen.

I’m in support as well.

Thank you, Dr. Dean.

Dr.

Peter?

PETER VAN ALFEN:

I’m happy to support

this as well.
TOM URAM:
Bernstein.

Thank you very much.

Arthur

Art?
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:

Just a further point

of personal introduction, I’m a graduate of the
University of Virginia, and I’m pleased to support a
medal that would commemorate the work of the founder of
the university.
TOM URAM:
support as well.

Thank you, Arthur, and I’m in

I think it’s a great history lesson as

well and will serve history very well.

With that, I’d

like to just have a motion to go forward with that.

Is

there a motion that the Congressional Gold Medal -JENNIFER WARREN:

Tom, this is Jennifer.

I think Greg Weinman wants to say something.
TOM URAM:

Okay, Greg.

GREG WEINMAN:

Fine, thank you.

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-- I’m -- I -- I’m just seeing this proposal.

The

legislation that authorizes this committee gives the
committee clear guidance as far as its authority to
recommend commemorative coins, (inaudible) or outprograms, even though commemorative coins are, of
course, authorized by legislation, they’re specifically
called out.

The committee also has fairly broad

authority to recommend other coin and medal designs,
design themes, for programs that are within the
Secretary's auspices.

So, for example, this committee

has before and can continue to recommend themes for
national medals, which the Secretary is already
authorized to produce.
This is the first time I’ve seen the
committee put a motion forward to recommend a theme for
a Congressional Gold Medal, which is not the Secretary's
responsibility, but rather, originates in Congress, and
there isn’t a -- there isn’t something specific in the
CCAC's authorizing legislation authorizing it to make
Congressional Gold Medal recommendations.

So, maybe

there -- this is something that could potentially be
reformatted as a national medal theme.

I’ll just put

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that on the table.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Greg.

Are we able

to recommend (inaudible)?
GREG WEINMAN:

There’s nothing -- it’s

unclear in the CCAC's enacting legislation, or -- and
what your authority is.

You’re -- I mean, Congress, in

passing -- in establishing the CCAC, clearly provided
the committee authority to make commemorative coin theme
recommendations, and clearly laid out the committee's
authority to recommend to the Secretary themes for coins
and medals that the Secretary is producing.

It’s not

clear that there is authority, per se, to make a
recommendation like this.
TOM URAM:

Okay.

How about if we

(inaudible) okay with the committee (inaudible) we will
vote in (inaudible) we can have the Mint (inaudible)
after review which way to go, but we could be on record
in saying that we are (inaudible) and if it’s
permissible, or if it could move forward, we will have
already (inaudible).

And (inaudible) and so, do we have

a (inaudible).
JENNIFER WARREN:

Tom, your mic isn’t --

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is breaking up again.
TOM URAM:

Okay.

JENNIFER WARREN:

And you know, if you

want to change it to national medal instead, you can do
that as well.

I’m just -- put it that way.
DENNIS TUCKER:

Mr. Chairman, this is

Dennis.
TOM URAM:

Go ahead.

DENNIS TUCKER:

Tom, I would -- after

receiving Greg's counsel, I would make a motion to
recommend that the Mint decide to issue either a -- my
apologies, I’m trying to think of the best way to word
it.
GREG WEINMAN:

A national medal?

DENNIS TUCKER:

I -- our recommendation

to the Secretary would be that the Mint create a
national medal so, can we say, "or a Congressional Gold
Medal" and use that, let that "or" express our support
of a Congressional Gold Medal but...
GREG WEINMAN:

I’m comfortable with that.

I think as long as you’re making -- the recommendation
on the record is for a national medal and potentially a

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Congressional Gold Medal, I think that you’ve covered
yourself that way.
DENNIS TUCKER:
TOM URAM:

Yes.

Okay, Dennis.

DENNIS TUCKER:
my recommendation.

Thank you.

That would be

My motion.

TOM URAM:

Okay, so, Dennis has a motion

that we will have a motion to recommend a national medal
or the potential of a Congressional Gold Medal
posthumously to be awarded to the signers of the
Declaration of Independence.
motion.

Dennis has made the

Is there a second to that motion?
ROBIN SALMON:

This is Robin.

I second

that.
TOM URAM:

Robin, thank you.

in favor -- any further discussion?

All those

All those in favor,

signify by saying aye.
ALL:

Aye.

TOM URAM:
unanimously, thank you.

Any opposition?

Passes

And thank you, Greg, for

clarifying in that way, that we have the discretion and
flexibility.

Our final idea is for the 2028 Summer

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Olympic commemorative coins.

The Summer Olympics will

be held in Los Angeles, California.

Over the years,

there have been several popular Olympic commemorative
coins.

As you know, this is collector-based strongly,

obviously, and I think it would be a thing that we
should certainly be on the record for doing.
open that up with Dr. Brown.

So, I’ll

Dr. Brown?

LAWRENCE BROWN:

Mr. Chair, in fact, in

the interest of transparency, I must tell you that I am
a collector of commemorative coins.
TOM URAM:

There you go.

LAWRENCE BROWN:

In fact, the modern

commemoratives, so, I certainly am a supporter of, in
fact, Olympic coinage, so you have my vote in favor of
this.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Dr. Brown.

DONALD SCARINCI:
TOM URAM:

Yes.

Donald?

I support that.

Thank you, Donald.

Mike

Moran?
MIKE MORAN:
TOM URAM:

I’m for it.
Thank you, Michael.

Lannin?

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MARY LANNIN:
TOM URAM:

I am as well.

Thank you.

ROBIN SALMON:

Robin Salmon?

I support it.

TOM URAM:

Sam Gill?

Thank you, Robin.

SAM GILL:

Mr. Chairman, I’m happy to

support the tradition of coinage for the Olympics.
TOM URAM:
Tucker.

Super, thank you, Sam.

Dennis

Dennis?
DENNIS TUCKER:

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Olympic commemorative coins are always popular.

The

2002 Salt Lake City Olympics silver dollars and gold
coins were sold in the hundreds of thousands, so I’m
very enthusiastic about this program and it has my full
support.

Thank you.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Dennis.

Dr. Dean

Kotlowski?
DEAN KOTLOWSKI:

Mr. Chairman, I’m in

favor, and I also have a meeting I need to go to, so -TOM URAM:
you.

We made it pretty close for

Got within -DEAN KOTLOWSKI:

been very, very close.

Yeah, you did.

You’ve

Thank you very much, Mr.

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Chairman, and thank you for your leadership as Chairman
in the first two years I was on this committee.
really appreciated it.

I've

But this is sort of a foretaste

that I’ll be voting aye as well, in absentia, if we get
a motion in favor.

Thank you very much.

TOM URAM:

Thank you.

Enjoy the rest of

the day and hopefully, we’ll see you in person.
have dinner again soon.

Thank you.

We’ll

Dr. Peter van

Alfen?
PETER VAN ALFEN:

Having written an

exhibition catalog on Olympic coins and (inaudible) I’m
more than happy to support this.
TOM URAM:
Bernstein.

All right, thank you.

Arthur

Art?
ARTHUR BERNSTEIN:
TOM URAM:

Full support.

Thank you very much.

With

that, it sounds like we will just go right on and take
the vote, there.

Is there a motion --

LAWRENCE BROWN:

Tom?

Tom, before we do

that, if I may, one more comment, quickly?
TOM URAM:

Sure.

LAWRENCE BROWN:

I think that I need to

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also share that I’m a former member of the United States
Anti-Doping Agency that actually supports the United
States Olympics.

So, I needed to share that as well.

TOM URAM:

Super.

Hearing no further

discussions, do I have a motion to recommend a
commemorative coin program in 2028 for the 2028 Summer
Olympics in Los Angeles?

Dr. Brown, would you like to

make that motion?
LAWRENCE BROWN:

So moved.

PETER VAN ALFEN:

Seconded.

Peter van

TOM URAM:

With that, all in favor

Alfen.
Okay.

of -- any further discussion?

If none, all those in

favor, signify by saying aye.
ALL:

Aye.

TOM URAM:
motion passes unanimously.

Any nays?

Hearing none, the

Okay, I’d like to, at this

time, thank all the CCAC Members and the Mint staff for
your attendance today by this videoconference.

I know

that the (inaudible) at times becomes challenging, and I
think we did quite well.

The next CCAC meeting will

take place on March 23rd and 24th, 2021.

It will be

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announced in the Federal Register, and a decision will
be made depending on the current situation with COVID-19
as it -- whether it will be in person at the United
States Mint Headquarters, or whether it again be by
videoconference.

I am -- it’s been a pleasure, and I

will now entertain a motion to adjourn.

No one wants to

adjourn.
MARY LANNIN:

Tom, I make the motion we

adjourn.
TOM URAM:

Thank you, Mary.

MARY LANNIN:
TOM URAM:

This is Mary.

Mary Lannin, to adjourn.

Second?
PETER VAN ALFEN:

Peter van Alfen,

second.
TOM URAM:

You’re there, okay, Peter.

All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
ALL:

Aye.

TOM URAM:
day.

Thank you all.

Have a great

Be safe.
(Whereupon, at 11:38 a.m., the proceeding
was concluded.)

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