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CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 1 1 CCAC Meeting 2 3 Day 1 4 5 6 Tuesday, February 28, 2023 7 9:00 a.m. - Noon (ET) 8 9 10 HQ Washington DC (8th Floor) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Reported by: Matthew Yancey 20 JOB NO.: 5694542 21 22 23 24 25 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 List of Committee Attendees: 3 Dr. Lawrence Brown, Chairperson of the CCAC 4 Arthur Bernstein, Representing the General Public 5 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, Recommended by the Speaker of the 6 House 7 Sam Gill, Representing the General Public 8 Dr. Dean Kotlowski, Qualified in American History 9 John Saunders, Recommended by the House Minority 10 Leader 11 Mike Moran, Recommended by the Senate Majority Leader 12 Robin Salmon, Qualified in Medallic Arts or Sculpture 13 Dennis Tucker, Qualified in Numismatics 14 Dr. Peter van Alfen, Qualified as a Numismatic Curator 15 16 List of Mint Staff Attendees: 17 Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel & Counsel to CCAC 18 Gwen Mattleman, Senior Legal Counsel and project 19 counsel for the Willie O'Ree Congressional Gold Medal 20 Elizabeth Young, Legal Counsel and project counsel for 21 the American Innovation Dollar Coin Program 22 Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, 23 Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 24 Mike White, Office of Corporate Communication 25 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 3 1 C O N T E N T S 2 3 PAGE Approval of Minutes 9 5 Review and Discussion of the Candidate 13 6 Designs for the 2024 American Innovation 7 $1 Coin for Missouri 4 8 9 Review and Discussion of the Candidate 10 Designs for the 2024 American Innovation 11 $1 Gold Coin for Missouri 13 12 13 Review and Discussion of the Candidate 14 Designs for the Liberty and Britannia 15 Gold Coins and Silver Medal 35 16 17 Review and Discussion of the Candidate 18 Designs for the Willie O'Ree Congressional 19 Gold Medal 20 21 22 23 24 25 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 60 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 4 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MS. WARREN: Good morning. For all 3 those who are on the call, reminder that the public 4 line, this is recorded. 5 questions or comments from the public on this. 6 7 And on this, I will hand it over to Dr. Brown to start the meeting at 9:01. 8 9 And also there is no DR. BROWN: Good morning. I call to order this meeting of the Citizens Coinage Advisory 10 Committee for Tuesday, February 28, 2023. 11 9:01. 12 It is now This is the first day of a two-day 13 meeting. Today's session is scheduled to run until 14 about noon, at which point the CCAC will recess until 15 tomorrow's session that is scheduled to begin promptly 16 at 9 a.m. 17 I would like to remind the public that 18 this is a listening-only hearing, and we ask that you 19 please mute your microphones. 20 Before we begin, I want to introduce 21 the members of the Committee. 22 "present" when I call your name. 23 24 25 Please respond Arthur Bernstein, representing the general public? MR. BERNSTEIN: Present. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 5 1 DR. BROWN: 2 recommended by the speaker of the House? 3 DR. FULLER: 4 DR. BROWN: 5 MR. GILL: 7 DR. BROWN: 9 10 11 Present. Sam Gill, representing the general public? 6 8 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, Present. Dr. Dean Kotlowski, specifically qualified in American history? DR. KOTLOWSKI: DR. BROWN: Present. Mike Moran, recommended by the Senate Majority Leader? 12 MR. MORAN: Present. 13 DR. BROWN: John Saunders, recommended 14 by the House Minority Leader? 15 MR. SAUNDERS: 16 DR. BROWN: 17 qualified in medallic arts or sculpture? 18 MS. SALMON: 19 DR. BROWN: 20 qualified in numismatics? 21 MR. TUCKER: 22 DR. BROWN: 23 Present. Robin Salmon, specifically Present. Dennis Tucker, specifically Present. Dr. Peter van Alfen, specifically qualified as a numismatic curator? 24 DR. VAN ALFEN: 25 DR. BROWN: Present. And I am Dr. Lawrence www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 6 1 Brown, representing the general public and Chair of 2 the CCAC. 3 I believe we have a quorum. 4 The agenda for today's session includes 5 the following. Approval of the minutes and the letter 6 to the Secretary from the January 24, 2023, meeting. 7 Review and discussion of the candidate 8 designs of the Willie O'Ree Congressional Gold Medal. 9 Review and discussion of the candidate 10 designs for the 2024 American Innovation dollar for 11 the good State of Missouri. 12 And finally, review and discussion of 13 the candidate designs for the Liberty and Britannia 14 Gold medals and silver medal. 15 Before we begin our proceedings, I 16 would like to ask the Mint liaison to the CCAC, Ms. 17 Jennifer Warren, if there are any members of the press 18 who have remotely signed in for this meeting? 19 MS. WARREN: This is Jennifer Warren. 20 And also a reminder, people, to say your name before 21 you speak. 22 Brandon Hall, senior editor of social 23 media for Whitman Publishing, LLC will be on the call. 24 And Mike Unser, founder and editor of Coin News Media 25 Group, LLC. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 7 1 DR. BROWN: For the record, I would 2 also like to confirm the following Mint staff are in 3 attendance for this meeting today. 4 indicate "present" after I have called your name 5 today. 6 7 April Stafford, chief, Office of Design Management? 8 MS. STAFFORD: 9 DR. BROWN: 10 Please also Present. Megan Sullivan, senior design specialist? 11 MS. SULLIVAN: 12 DR. BROWN: Pam Borer, design manager? 13 MS. BORER: Present. 14 DR. BROWN: Russell Evans, design 16 MR. EVANS: Present. 17 DR. BROWN: Boneza Hanchock, design 15 18 Present. manager? manager? 19 MS. HANCHOCK: 20 DR. BROWN: Joseph Menna, chief 22 MR. MENNA: Present. 23 DR. BROWN: Michael Costello, manager 21 24 25 Present. engraver? of design and engraving? MR. COSTELLO: Present. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 8 1 DR. BROWN: Jennifer Warren, director 2 of legislative and intergovernmental affairs and 3 liaison to the CCAC? 4 MS. WARREN: 5 DR. BROWN: 6 Present. Greg Weinman, senior legal counsel and counsel to the CCAC? 7 MR. WEINMAN: 8 DR. BROWN: 9 10 Present. Gwen Mattleman, senior legal counsel and project counsel for the Willie O'Ree Congressional gold medal? 11 MS. MATTLEMAN: 12 DR. BROWN: Present. Elizabeth Young, legal 13 counsel and project counsel for the American 14 Innovation Dollar Coin Program? 15 MS. YOUNG: Present. 16 DR. BROWN: Brendan Tate, senior 17 government affairs specialist and Office of the 18 legislative and intergovernmental affairs? 19 MR. TATE: 20 DR. BROWN: 21 Present. Mike White, office of corporate communication? 22 MR. WHITE: Present. 23 DR. BROWN: Is there anyone who I have 24 25 not called their name? And finally -www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 9 1 2 MS. BAILEY: Ann Bailey. I'm the project manager for the Liberty/Britannia project. 3 DR. BROWN: Thank you. 4 And finally, I just want to note for 5 the record that we'll be joined later on this call by 6 the liaisons for Willie O'Ree. 7 O'Ree, the daughter of Mr. O'Ree; and Rob Wooley, the 8 senior director of legislative affairs, Public Policy 9 & Partnership Development of the National Hockey That includes Chandra 10 League. Also, for the Missouri 2024 American 11 Innovation $1 coin, we will be joined by Tyler Hobbs, 12 senior policy advisor of the Office of the Governor of 13 Missouri. 14 I'd like to begin with the Mint, to 15 find out if there are any issues that need to be 16 addressed before we start. 17 Hearing none, seeing none, the first 18 order of business for this committee is to review and 19 approval the CCAC minutes and letter to the secretary 20 from our public meeting on January 24, 2023. 21 Are there any comments on the 22 documents? 23 24 25 MR. BERNSTEIN: Art Bernstein moves DR. VAN ALFEN: Second. approval. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 10 1 2 DR. BROWN: Approval by Art. Second by Peter. 3 MS. WARREN: Remember -- I'm sorry. 4 This is Jennifer Warren. 5 also say your name before you start, and speak toward 6 the camera. 7 Remember to speak up and Thank you. DR. BROWN: Is there any discussion? 8 Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 9 "aye." 10 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 11 DR. BROWN: 12 Any abstentions? 13 Are there any objections to the motion? 14 It is passed without any objections, 15 16 Aye. Those opposed, nay. and the letters and the minutes are approved. Using the very limited prerogative of 17 the Chair, I will briefly share with all those in 18 attendance the significance of this first in-person 19 meeting of the CCAC in 2023. 20 humbly thank all former and present CCAC members and 21 the phenomenal US Mint leadership and staff, without 22 whom we would not be here today. I want to personally and 23 Similar to the beginning of my first 24 term as CCAC Chair, this second term also begins as 25 this nation is celebrating Black History month. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 11 1 while serving as the first African American to Chair 2 the CCAC is of significance to me and my family, this 3 is not the reason why I am taking these few moments at 4 the present time. 5 More importantly, is the recognition 6 that within a month, the CCAC has participated in the 7 recognition of four, underscore four, 8 under-appreciated chapters of Black history. 9 At the last public meeting of the CCAC, 10 we reviewed the designs for the Harlem Hellfighters 11 Congressional Gold medal, commemorating African 12 American soldiers, recognized for their heroism during 13 World War 1. 14 Today, as a part of the 2024 American 15 Innovation Dollar from the good State of Missouri, 16 otherwise called the "Show-Me" state, I don't know if 17 that's really true. 18 say that, but. 19 designs recognizing the inventions of George 20 Washington Carver, an African American agricultural 21 scientist. 22 I mean, us from New York, we may The CCAC will be reviewing reverse Also today, we will be reviewing 23 designs of Willie O'Ree Congressional Gold medal, 24 celebrating his feats both on the ice as the first 25 African Canadian to play in the National Hockey www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 12 1 League, and his contributions while off the ice. 2 Tomorrow, we will be reviewing designs 3 recognizing some phenomenal women, one of whom is 4 Reverend Dr. Pauli Murray, an African American civil 5 rights activist, attorney, and Episcopal priest, and 6 author. 7 These four events underscore an 8 increasing appreciation that Black history is American 9 history, a phrase I saw repeatedly displayed in New 10 York City's Kennedy Airport when I was last coming 11 from the Superbowl. 12 In summary, I am here today based upon 13 the phenomenal support I've received from colleagues 14 and many friends I have developed in this continuously 15 fulfilling hobby while serving our nation by reviewing 16 miniature canvases filled with unforgettable art, 17 representing phenomenal chapters of American history. 18 Last year, I ended my comments with a 19 quote from the first woman commemorated on the 2022 20 American Women Quarters, Maya Angelo. 21 I'll repeat, "I've learned that people will forget 22 what you say, people will forget what you did, but 23 people will never forget how you made them feel." 24 25 I quote, and This year, I will end my comments with a quote from another famous African American, former www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 13 1 First Lady Michelle Obama. "Success is not about how 2 much money you make; it's about the difference you 3 make in the lives of people you are in touch with." 4 You have all played an important role 5 in making a difference in my life and making me feel 6 valued. 7 well, over the course of this year. I pray that I can return the favor to you as 8 9 Thank you so much. would be proud. I think my mom She used to tell me that you need to 10 speak up. 11 mannered student. 12 Thank you. I'm prone to be a very polite and well- The next item on our agenda is review 13 of candidate designs for the 2024 American Innovation 14 $1 coin for the good State of Missouri. 15 Stafford, Chief of the Mint's Office of Design 16 Management will introduce the program and present the 17 obverse and reverse candidate designs for the 2024 18 American Innovation $1 coin for the State of Missouri. 19 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. April It is Public 20 Law 115-197, the American Innovation $1 Coin Act, that 21 requires the Secretary of the Treasury to mint and 22 issue $1 coins with the reverse design honoring 23 innovation or innovators from each of the 50 states, 24 the territories, and the District of Columbia. 25 accordance with the Act, the United States Mint worked www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 In CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 14 1 with the Governors of the states being honored in 2024 2 to develop coin design concepts that were subsequently 3 approved by the Secretary of the Treasury. 4 Candidate designs for Missouri were 5 initially presented to the CCAC and U.S. Commission of 6 Fine Arts, or CFA, in September of 2022. 7 consultation with historical experts from Missouri, 8 has reworked the portfolio based on the important 9 feedback the Federal advisory committees provided at The Mint, in 10 that time. 11 develop further designs that feature George Washington 12 Carver himself, the scientist at work. 13 you will review today has expanded to include such 14 designs. 15 Both committees strongly urged the Mint to The portfolio So a little background on George 16 Washington Carver. 17 figures in early 20th century American history. 18 work at the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama is 19 considered instrumental in changing approaches to 20 agriculture. 21 He was one of the most revered His Born into slavery in Diamond Grove, 22 Missouri, Carver received his early education in 23 Missouri and Kansas. 24 1897, Booker T. Washington, founder of the Tuskegee 25 Institute, convinced Carver to serve as the school's He later studied in Iowa, and in www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 15 1 director of agriculture. 2 developed his crop rotation method, which alternated 3 nitrate-producing legumes, such as peanuts and peas, 4 with cotton, which depletes soil of its nutrients. 5 Carver's methods restored nitrogen to the soil, 6 improved crop yields, and was more cost-effective than 7 using commercial fertilizer. 8 9 At Tuskegee, Carver Despite difficult growing conditions, cotton was firmly positioned as the primary cash crop 10 in the South. 11 of applied chemistry that involves finding industrial 12 uses for agricultural raw materials, was driven by his 13 desire to identify new uses for non-cotton Southern 14 crops. 15 inventor, George Washington Carver is famous for 16 developing hundreds of different products using sweet 17 potatoes, peanuts, and soybeans. 18 was a charter inductee in the USDA Hall of Heroes as 19 the father of Chemurgy. 20 21 22 Carver's interest in chemurgy, a branch As both an agricultural scientist and an And in 2000, Carver Required inscriptions are "United States of America" and "Missouri." As noted, the Mint worked closely with 23 Tyler Hobbs from the Office of the Governor of 24 Missouri, in development of this revised portfolio. 25 We have Mr. Hobbs with us. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 16 1 2 Mr. Hobbs, would you like to say a few words to the committee? 3 4 MR. HOBBS: Yes. Thank you. This is Tyler Hobbs with the Missouri Governor's Office. 5 I first would like to thank the 6 committees for their feedback in this process. 7 looked over everything, and we do have our preference 8 there. 9 on the coin with his likeness. And specifically, that 10 he was more than just peanuts. We're proud to have 11 him as a Missourian and the son of our state. 12 just appreciate all your guys' work and look forward 13 to this coming up. We We like the showing George Washington Carver 14 MS. STAFFORD: And we Thank you so much. 15 Okay. 16 show you design 10 first. 17 Office's preferred design, and it was the recommended 18 design by the CFA. 19 inscription "Missouri" be made slightly less 20 prominent, suggesting a treatment similar to that that 21 can be seen in reverse 8. 22 get there. 23 We'll move right into the portfolio. We will This is the Governor's The CFA did ask that the All right. So I'll note that when we Moving through the 24 candidate designs. We have design 1 that features 25 imagery commemorating the lively, fertile mind of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 17 1 George Washington Carver. 2 profile of the scientist with a microscope, and peanut 3 and sweet potato plants to represent the diligence in 4 scientific inquiry he displayed throughout his 5 remarkable life. 6 The design combines a Design 3 features a beaker holding a 7 germinating plant. The outer border is inspired by 8 old produce crates of slatted wood and contains the 9 additional -- sorry, is inscribed by old produce 10 crates of slatted wood and contains the additional 11 inscription "George Washington Carver." 12 Design 4 represents George Washington 13 Carver's use of the Jesup Wagon to educate farmers 14 about beneficial agricultural practices. 15 travel the countryside, sharing an innovative series 16 of free brochures that included information on crops, 17 cultivation techniques, and recipes for nutritious 18 meals. 19 appears above the wagon. 20 Carver would The inscription "George Washington Carver" Design 5 centers "George Washington 21 Carver" on a banner overlapping two fields of produce. 22 The top half of the composition is filled with peanuts 23 and peanut plants; the bottom, with soy beans, sweet 24 potato vines, and sweet potato flowers. 25 fostering a small plant symbolizes George Washington www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 A test tube CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 18 1 Carver's work in science and agriculture. 2 Design 6 highlights George Washington 3 Carver's promotion of crop rotation as a way of 4 preserving soil and diversifying the types of crops 5 grown in the rural Southern United States. 6 blossoms above and peanuts below are within the 7 circular arrows labeled with the words "crop 8 rotation." 9 Cotton Design 7 features a design with incused 10 and raised graphic peanuts, including the inscription 11 "George Washington Carver," to suggest the idea of 12 crop rotation. 13 right represent the development of the peanut in new 14 recipes and industrial production, a process 15 attributed largely to George Washington Carver's 16 innovation. 17 The three organic peanuts at the lower Designs 8 and 8A present George 18 Washington Carver in profile, studying a peanut, with 19 peanut, iris, and sweet potato plants combined and 20 rooted in the border. 21 representing Carver's scientific achievements. 22 additional inscription "George Washington Carver" is 23 incused on the border. 24 25 8A includes a microscope, The Design 9 depicts George Washington Carver at work in his laboratory. A combination of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 19 1 raised and incused inscriptions completes the design, 2 including "George Washington Carver." 3 Design 10 features a portrait of George 4 Washington Carver gently smiling while examining a 5 sample of his work in his laboratory. 6 inscription is "George Washington Carver," as well as 7 "Missouri." 8 preferred design, as well as the recommended design by 9 the CFA. The incused Again, this design is the governor's Again, the CFA asked that the treatment of 10 Missouri be reconsidered, suggesting a treatment 11 similar to that you see in reverse 8. 12 back to 8 to see that it's arced at the top. 13 you. 14 If we could go Thank And moving on to the final candidate 15 design. Design 11 depicts George Washington Carver at 16 work pursuing his passion and exercising his 17 prodigious gifts. 18 lab, or perhaps the classroom teaching, and he's 19 inspecting a peanut plant. 20 Washington Carver" is presented below the composition. This design portrays Carver in his The inscription "George 21 That concludes the candidate designs. 22 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. Are 23 there any technical or legal questions from the 24 committee about this program or the designs of the 25 2024 American Innovation $1 coin for the good State of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 20 1 Missouri? 2 Please. DR. VAN ALFEN: This is Peter Van 3 Alfen. I do have a question about the CFA's 4 recommendation on reverse 10 of moving the inscription 5 into the arc below. 6 the design? 7 Joe, would that require lowering Or how would you go about doing that? MR. MENNA: I would hate to say 8 anything contrary to the CFA, but -- this is Joe 9 Menna. I would not want to contradict -- no. I would 10 honor the CFA's request in a different way than they 11 suggested. 12 bulk of the United States of America, which I think is 13 appropriate, we could instead of fully incusing 14 Missouri to the field, incuse it halfway so it's 15 deboss into the surface of the beaker. 16 Won't be as distracting. 17 I feel, due to the profound -- due to the Still reads. You know, it -- there's a unique 18 situation. 19 images, the black reads stronger than it would on a 20 coin. 21 deboss it all the way to the field, just enough that 22 it reads but it doesn't read as polished, I think 23 we'll answer their concerns without altering the 24 artist's intent. 25 When we're looking at these graphic But it would be polished. But if we don't Thank you. DR. VAN ALFEN: Would that require a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 21 1 motion on our part to -- 2 MR. WEINMAN: 3 DR. VAN ALFEN: 4 MR. WEINMAN: 5 DR. VAN ALFEN: 6 MR. WEINMAN: 7 Yes. It would. -- I'm sorry? It would. It would? If that's the design you would -- 8 DR. VAN ALFEN: 9 MR. MENNA: To emboss. All right. I mean, like, emboss. 10 Emboss, actually. 11 means -- just we would incuse it slightly, but not to 12 the point of the field. 13 how I would remedy that, if it was -- in order to 14 preserve the artist's intent. 15 It means raise, I think. Deboss That would be my -- that's And as my boss, Mike, suggested, we 16 could scale it down a little bit too so it reads -- 17 you know, you don't want it to read like a rocket 18 silo, right? Like a missile silo or something. 19 DR. VAN ALFEN: 20 DR. BROWN: Thank you. Thank you so much. Are 21 there any other questions, technical or legal, from 22 any other members of the committee? 23 Then if that's the case, this is 24 Lawrence Brown again, let us begin our consideration. 25 I would like to remind our members, as much as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 22 1 possible, if you can limit your comments to five 2 minutes or less. 3 Additionally, if there are any members 4 who have questions or comments about any other aspect 5 of the program, I ask that you hold those until later 6 on in the discussion. 7 come back to you so that you can pose those questions. 8 9 And I promise you that I will For the benefit of the court reporter, again, and those calling in, please, I ask that you 10 state your name when you begin speaking. 11 begin. 12 Dr. Harcourt Fuller? 13 DR. FULLER: So let us Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 14 I'm very pleased with these designs. 15 absolutely fabulous. 16 stakeholders, the Governor's Office, the artist, 17 everyone involved. 18 They look I'd like to congratulate all the I will go along with the preference 19 from the Governor's Office. 20 please? 21 a scientist, you know, with his lab apparatus, the 22 crops. 23 it will be well received. 24 25 If we can pull that up, You know, I really like seeing him, again, as I think it's a very dignified coin. I think I would also like to say some good things about 1 as well. I also really, really like www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 23 1 that one. Again, it's showing everything that is 2 important. Him as a scientist, and the crops that he 3 worked on. So again, I'm very pleased with these 4 designs. Thank you. 5 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 6 Let's turn now to Dr. Peter Van Alfen. 7 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 8 I am very pleased with the additions to the portfolio. 9 I find the obverse 10, the recommendation of the CFA 10 as well as the Governor's Office, to be my preferred 11 choice as well. 12 Carver is really quick exceptional. 13 works artistically and obviously represents the 14 scientist very well. 15 I think the profile portrait of Dr. I think that this I do have some concerns about the 16 inscription "Missouri," which we've already discussed 17 and we can talk about that some more once everybody 18 has made their comments. 19 Apart from my preferred selection here, 20 I also do think that there are some other really 21 rather nice designs, such as 3 and 4. 22 since I don't represent the scientist himself, I think 23 that I'd just note that these are nice designs but 24 would not be appropriate in this case. 25 DR. BROWN: But again, So thank you. Thank you so much. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 24 1 Let's turn now to Dr. Dean Kotlowski. 2 DR. KOTLOWSKI: Thank you, Mr. 3 Chairman. 4 opening comments and putting African American History 5 Month at the forefront of what we're doing. 6 so appropriate that the first portfolio that we're 7 examining today and contemplating is of a very 8 prominent African American. 9 And also, thank you so much for your And it's I almost believe that this is a model 10 of how we should proceed when we need to do some sort 11 of redo of a portfolio, because the designs, as Dr. 12 Fuller was saying, are really, really, really good and 13 they're very, very strong. 14 I don't have any problem at all with 15 number 10. 16 having Missouri on there. 17 little bit less prominent, a little more elegant. 18 I think where it is, it's fine with me. 19 listen to any modifications. 20 And I actually don't have a problem with Okay, maybe if we made it a But I'm happy to There are some other designs that I 21 just want to point out. I liked number 8 and number 22 8A because it's a profile portrait, and the way he's 23 looking at what is a peanut, he looks very 24 contemplative and I like that element. 25 dimension of the portraiture. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I like that CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 25 1 And I also liked number 11, because 2 yesterday I happened to visit the Smithsonian Museum 3 of American Art, and there they have this portrait by 4 Betsy Graves Reyneau. I did not know very much about 5 Betsy Graves Reyneau. But this really calls to mind 6 that portrait, which is a -- which is a real treasure 7 in that museum. 8 warm and very human and very humane portrait of George 9 Washington Carver. 10 And I just -- I think this is a very So those would be my favorites. I 11 don't know where I'm going to land with this. I like 12 number 10 well enough. 13 to what, you know, the stakeholders want and I do 14 think this is a good portrait. 15 the others will get at least some consideration and 16 applause for the artist. I tend to be very differential But I'm hopeful that Thank you very much. 17 DR. BROWN: Thank you. 18 Let's turn now to Robin Salmon. 19 MS. SALMON: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 20 This is Robin Salmon. I also like 10 and think that 21 that will make a very fine design for the coin. 22 don't have any problem with Missouri as it is, all 23 though Joe Menna's suggestion about incusing halfway, 24 I think is a good suggestion to solve some of that 25 issue. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 26 1 I would also like to talk a little bit 2 about 05 and 06. 3 portraits of George Washington Carver, I think that 4 they're both beautifully rendered. 5 balanced. 6 and I give a shoutout to the artist or artists for 7 that. They're well It's good artistic design, in my belief, 8 9 Even though they don't include And 11 also is a beautiful portrait, and I like it because it shows the man as much as the 10 scientist. And as the description said, he could be 11 lecturing, he could be working in the lab, he could be 12 working onsite somewhere. 13 nicely balanced, too. 14 And the lettering is very So I would still say that 10 is a good 15 choice for this particular purpose, and I'm very 16 pleased with how all of these changes came about. 17 Thank you so much. 18 19 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments. 20 Let's turn now to Art Bernstein. 21 MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Arthur 22 Bernstein. I, too, support number 10. I did want to 23 point out -- make some comments about 9 and 7. 24 9 I found to be very busy, but busy, I thought, in a 25 positive way. Design It showed Mr. Carver engaged in serious www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 27 1 work. It looked like he was doing a lot of stuff, and 2 I was impressed with that feel. 3 Design 7, again, it doesn't feature Mr. 4 Carver himself, but those of us who remember the Mary 5 Lannin test, a coin that you might pick up off the 6 coffee table, this is one you would pick up off the 7 coffee table. 8 you, Mr. Chairman. 9 And I found it very attractive. DR. BROWN: Thank Thank you. 10 Let's turn now to Mike Moran. 11 MR. MORAN: This is Mike Moran. I'm 12 going to concur with the State's choice of obverse 10. 13 I would strongly recommend not moving Missouri into 14 any of the field there. 15 just like it is. 16 you consider that's incused with boldness that appears 17 on the sketch. 18 department to deal with. 19 I think the space is fine And I'm not really concerned, when I'll leave that up to the engraving I will point out one thing in there 20 that I think makes this design really work, and that 21 is he's holding up the beaker in profile so that on 22 the coin you can actually see that and that conveys 23 action, motion, and thought. 24 sets this design out and makes it better than the 25 others, in my opinion. And that's what really Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 28 1 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 2 Let's turn now to Sam Gill. 3 MR. GILL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 4 Well, George Washington Carver was not just important 5 to Missouri and Alabama, but he was important to 6 Virginia. 7 up in Bedford, Virginia, that's Virginia history year. 8 And for most of you, you probably had your own state 9 histories around that time. And when I was in the fourth grade, growing And George Washington 10 Carver was a notable that we spent a lot of time 11 learning about, because there's so much peanuts -- 12 there's so many peanuts grown in Virginia. 13 big, big crop. 14 And to this day, his principles are followed 15 religiously, and I can attest to that. It's a And he was the real deal in farming. 16 I liked three of these coins very much. 17 I liked number 1, I liked number 9, and I liked number 18 10. 19 conversation with him. 20 beautiful coin and a beautiful design. 21 this whole series is just fabulous. 22 everybody else has said. 23 Number 9 looks like you could almost have a It's just a really, really The art in Just to echo what But I netted out on number 10. I agree 24 with the final choice. I think it's the right one. 25 It captures everything that we would be looking for, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 29 1 and it features Dr. Carver in a very, very dignified, 2 interesting way. 3 Joe's adjustments. 4 number 10, Mr. Chairman. On Missouri, I'm happy to support And with that, I would go with Thank you. 5 DR. BROWN: Thank you. 6 Let's turn now to Dennis Tucker. 7 MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 8 This is Dennis Tucker. I want to thank the Mint for 9 persevering through the redesign process with this 10 portfolio. Representation is very important, and it's 11 crucial that we see George Washington Carver on the 12 coin. So I'm very happy with this new portfolio. 13 Coincidentally, my daughter Ava happens 14 to be giving a presentation on George Washington 15 Carver as we speak, in her first-grade class back in 16 Georgia. 17 portfolio is public, sharing it with Emma Fulbright's 18 first grade class at Fulton Science Academy and seeing 19 what the kids think of these designs. And I look forward to, now that this 20 I think that number 10 is a fine 21 choice. I appreciate Mr. Hobbs' comment that George 22 Washington Carver was more than just peanuts. 23 this is a good portrait of the man as a scientist in 24 action, and I like the balance and style of the 25 typography. I think And I know that the engravers will do a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 30 1 great job tinkering with any typographical questions. 2 So thank you, Mr. Chair. 3 DR. BROWN: Thank you. 4 Turning to John Saunders. 5 MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 6 John Saunders here. 7 before, so I'm not going to repeat it. 8 much, and I liked 10 as well. 9 it's not making any choice at all, but 1, 8, and 11 10 look pretty good too. 11 I kind of like what's been said I like 9 very And I hate to say it, So I was pretty happy. I like the design of 4, but I don't 12 think anybody in the public would know what that wagon 13 is for. 14 it should be something that most people should be able 15 to recognize. 16 So I think if we put a symbol on something, In terms of this commemorative, it 17 brings me back to when I was 10 or 11 years old and a 18 new coin collector. 19 coin I ever had was a George Washington Carver half 20 dollar. 21 it was one of my prized possessions at the time. 22 The second U.S. commemorative And I think I had to pay 75 cents for it, and And I'd never heard of George 23 Washington Carver before, being a fairly ignorant 24 10-year-old or 11-year-old, and so I read a biography 25 of it. And liking peanut butter among other things, I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 31 1 was very impressed by the man. 2 often that a coin inspires me to read a book, but this 3 one did. 4 In fact, it's not that And the other thing I like about number 5 10 is the side portrait is kind of reminiscent of the 6 George Washington Carver half dollar that was issued, 7 I think starting in 1951 or thereabouts, '51 or 2. 8 9 So I would go with 10, but it's a very narrow choice above 9 for me. 10 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 11 I must confess that this was also an 12 enjoyable opportunity for me to revisit this design. 13 I would also commend the Mint for its fantastic 14 efforts in that regard. 15 And I would also like to suggest to you 16 that while I support the suggestion by the liaison, by 17 the governor, as a scientist, remembering those days 18 in basic science when you have to be in the laboratory 19 with the microscope and the beakers, that I have some 20 feeling also towards design number 1, as well as 21 design number 9. 22 on the route to becoming a physician. 23 with my colleagues that the support of the -- 24 suggestion by the liaison does make sense. 25 Those, in fact, remind me of my days But I agree Based on that, are there any additional www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 32 1 comments or motions? 2 turn to Mike or Joe, to see if they have anything 3 they'd like to share. 4 Well, before we do that, let's MR. COSTELLO: Hello, Mr. Chairman. 5 This is Mike Costello. I just want to say what a 6 great job Joe and his team have done here, making the 7 prescribed revisions and to improve this portfolio. 8 Big difference from what we had a few months ago. 9 It's a good job. 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 11 MR. MENNA: 12 Menna. 13 You're welcome. If I may, this is Joe April, stop me if I'm out of my lane. I want to thank Dr. Fuller for 14 introducing a conversation that helped us really 15 rethink how we think and approach representation in 16 coins. 17 offered by the CCAC. 18 you've really helped us grow and I thank you. 19 20 Your comment came before a similar comment In my time as chief engraver, DR. FULLER: Thank you. I'm humbled by that, and I thank you as well. 21 DR. BROWN: Are there any additional 22 comments from any of the members regarding this 23 program? 24 25 MR. MENNA: order. Oh. I had the reverse Never mind. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 33 1 DR. BROWN: 2 was. 3 just said that. We know where your heart If there are not -- are there any -- okay. Please give me a few seconds. 4 At this point then -- 5 MR. WEINMAN: 6 DR. BROWN: 7 about five minutes or less. 8 MR. WEINMAN: 9 The score. The score. Let's take Let's make it 10, just to be -- 10 11 I DR. BROWN: to ten minutes. 12 We're going to revise that Ten minutes. MS. WARREN: This is Jennifer. Please 13 send your score to Greg Weinman when you're done, and 14 I'm going to put the meeting mic on hold. 15 (Off the record.) 16 DR. BROWN: We are back. I recognize 17 Greg Weinman, counsel to the CCAC, to present the 18 results of the scoring sheets. 19 MR. WEINMAN: The scoring is out of a 20 possible 30 points. In order, reverse number 1 21 received 11. 22 Reverse number 4 received 2 points. 23 4 points. 24 received 9 points. 25 Number 8A received 9 points. Reverse number 3 received 3 points. Number 5 received Number 6 received 5 points. Number 7 Number 8 received 7 points. Number 9 received 12 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 34 1 points. Number 10 received 29, which is the highest 2 scoring design, 29 out of a possible 30. 3 number 11 received 12 points. 4 5 So once again, the high-scoring design is number 10. 6 7 And reverse DR. BROWN: Are there any motions? recognize Mr. Saunders. 8 MR. SAUNDERS: 9 number 10 that we voted for. I move that we adopt Just make sure I got the 10 right number. 11 modifications he feels appropriate to the word 12 "Missouri." 13 14 And that we trust Joe to make any DR. BROWN: MR. GILL: 16 MS. SALMON: 17 DR. BROWN: I'll second that. Robin Salmon. So the second is from Sam Gill. 19 MS. SALMON: 20 DR. BROWN: 21 Is there a second to that motion? 15 18 Second. I'll pause in the future. Apologies. 22 MS. WARREN: Sorry. This is Jennifer. 23 Who did the second, please, that you're going to 24 acknowledge? 25 I DR. BROWN: Sam Gill. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 35 1 MS. WARREN: 2 DR. BROWN: 3 4 5 Okay. Thank you. So are there any discussions about the motion? Hearing none, all those in favor, signify by "aye." 6 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 7 DR. BROWN: 8 MS. SALMON: 9 DR. BROWN: Aye. All opposed, nay. Aye. Opposed, nay. 10 Any abstentions? 11 Hearing none, the motion passes. 12 13 Are there any further motions? If all the discussion has concluded, 14 then I would like to say thank you. 15 a moment to thank Mr. Tyler Hobbs for attending the 16 meeting, and please pass our grateful thanks to the 17 governor, for his role with respect to presenting this 18 wonderful design. 19 I'd like to take The next item on the agenda is the 20 review of candidate designs for the Liberty and 21 Britannia gold coin and silver medal. 22 acknowledge the roles of Dr. Peter Van Alfen and Robin 23 Salmon, who along with myself, collaborated with the 24 Office of Design Management and the U.S. Commission on 25 Fine Arts on this program. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I would like to CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 36 1 Ms. April Stafford, chief of the Mint's 2 Office of Design Management will introduce the program 3 and present the obverse and reverse candidate designs 4 for the Liberty and Britannia gold coin and silver 5 medal. 6 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. Some 7 background information for you. The 2024 Liberty and 8 Britannia 24-karat gold coin and silver medal program 9 marks the first original design collaboration between 10 two of the largest Mints in the world. The program 11 will feature a design jointly created by the chief 12 engraver of the United States Mint, Joseph Menna, and 13 the chief engraver of the British Royal Mint, Gordon 14 Summers. 15 Liberty and Britannia, both iconic emblems of their 16 respective nations. The joint design features allegorical 17 On January 25, 2023, representatives of 18 the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee and the U.S. 19 Commission of Fine Arts joined the Royal Mint Advisory 20 Committee to review candidate options for the joint 21 design. 22 today's meeting for discussion and ratification of a 23 recommendation. 24 25 The results of that review will be shared at Each Mint will produce coins and/or medals using the joint design and incorporating its www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 37 1 own required inscriptions. 2 used by the Royal Mint as a reverse, with its obverse 3 bearing the portrait of the King. 4 The joint design will be The United States will use the joint 5 design as obverse. 6 reverse candidate designs submitted here for your 7 review, to complement the exploration of the 8 connection between our two countries, while further 9 reflecting on the American ideal of liberty. 10 Joseph Menna also created the The Secretary of the Treasury will 11 consider the recommendations and comments from both 12 the CCAC and the CFA and make the final selections for 13 the United States coin and medal. 14 Beginning with the obverse designs. 15 Inscriptions for the gold coin and silver medal 16 obverse designs are "Liberty" and "2024." 17 will be produced in both their one-ounce gold coin and 18 one-ounce silver medal versions. 19 presented in both the coin format and medal format for 20 your consideration. 21 Designs And the designs are There were two candidate designs for 22 obverses. We'll start with obverse 1. 23 invites both comparison and contrast by featuring 24 profile portraits of allegorical Liberty and Britannia 25 presented as complementary and balancing elements www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Obverse 1 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 38 1 suggestive of the faces on a playing card. 2 figure holds their respective symbols: Britannia, her 3 trident; and Liberty, her torch. 4 recommendation in the joint review of representatives 5 by the CCAC and the CFA, in consultation with the 6 Royal Mint Advisory Committee, and it was recently 7 ratified as the obverse recommendation by the U.S. 8 Commission of Fine Arts in its meeting about a week 9 and a half ago. 10 Each This was the The second candidate design for the 11 obverse is, you see here, obverse 2. 12 Liberty and Britannia standing side by side, Britannia 13 with her trident and Liberty with her torch. 14 allegorical figure leans against a pedestal. 15 It depicts Each Moving onto the reverse candidate 16 designs. 17 States of America," "E Pluribus Unum," "AU 24K 1 oz., 18 and the denomination, "$100." 19 is an inscription that appears on most candidate 20 designs. 21 include the inscription "United States of America" and 22 optionally "Liberty and Britannia."" 23 again presented in both their gold coin and silver 24 medal versions for your consideration. 25 Inscriptions for the gold coin are "United "Liberty and Britannia" The corresponding silver medal designs Designs are Reverse 1 references the United States' www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 39 1 2023 American Liberty 24-karat gold coin and silver 2 medal by pairing the American bristlecone pine on the 3 left, with an English yew tree on the right. 4 separated by the Atlantic Ocean with a sun rising 5 above it, heralding new possibilities for both 6 nations. 7 They are This is the design that the CFA recommended. Reverse 2 presents the allegorical 8 Liberty from the obverse design in full figure, her 9 flowing hair referencing past United States coins 10 portraying Liberty. The design stands in contrast to 11 the monarch featured on British coins, presenting a 12 reverse that is distinctly American. 13 And finally, reverses 3 and 3A also 14 feature allegorical Liberty from the obverse design. 15 Liberty occupies the center of the composition, while 16 the drapery of her dress and flowing hair emulate the 17 branches of a tree, moving past the border of the 18 design. 19 "Liberty and Britannia." Design 3A includes the optional inscription 20 That concludes the candidate designs. 21 DR. BROWN: 22 Are there any technical or legal Thank you so much. 23 questions from the Committee about this program or the 24 designs? 25 Hearing none, then let us begin our www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 40 1 consideration. 2 please, as much as possible, to keep your comments to 3 five minutes. 4 about the program, please hold those and I promise you 5 that I will give you an opportunity to raise those 6 questions a little time shortly. 7 I would like to remind members to And additionally, if you have questions For the benefit of the court reporter, 8 for those calling in, I ask that you state your name 9 when you begin speaking. 10 If there are any -- then let us begin. 11 Begin with Dr. Peter Van Alfen. 12 DR. VAN ALFEN: Thank you, Doctor 13 Chairman. This is Peter Van Alfen. I certainly 14 concur with our previous discussions on the 15 subcommittee as well -- or the working group, as well 16 as with the joint meetings with the CFA and our 17 colleagues from the U.K. side of this project, in 18 recommending obverse 1 as the obverse selection. 19 I think that this is a very dynamic, 20 balanced, and frankly fun representation of Liberty 21 and Britannia. 22 Moving on to the reverses, I have to 23 say that I am absolutely thrilled with reverse designs 24 1 and 2, particularly. 25 beautiful, balanced designs. I think that these are very As somebody who is very www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 41 1 much engaged in various ways with art nouveau aspects 2 of portraiture Vedic Art production and so forth, I 3 really do like the art nouveau feel of reverse 2. 4 I do think that reverse 1 would work better overall in 5 this project. 6 representation of the Atlantic, the trees on both 7 sides, is really quite exquisite. And so this would 8 be my preference for the reverse. Thank you. 9 But I think that the balance of this, the DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 10 Robin Salmon? 11 MS. SALMON: This is Robin Salmon. 12 Thank you, Dr. Brown. 13 with this particular project. 14 nature, but the fact that these designs are absolutely 15 spectacular. 16 It's been a pleasure to work Not only its special My preference is obverse 1. I think 17 that the unique display underscores the fact that this 18 is something that's never been done before, and it 19 shows in the design. 20 And then reverse 1 -- excuse me. 21 Reverse 2 also gets my vote because it represents both 22 nations. 23 Represents both nations with the native trees. 24 there is enough art nouveau design in there to satisfy 25 me, although I do have to say reverse 2 is just I'm sorry. It's 1. Reverse 1. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Yes. And CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 42 1 beautiful. And I would go with that, except I don't 2 feel that it shows both nations adequately -- or both 3 countries. 4 5 So obverse 1 and reverse 1 are my two choices. Thank you. 6 DR. BROWN: 7 Let's turn to Mr. Dennis Tucker. 8 MR. TUCKER: 9 Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is Dennis Tucker. 10 I think obverse 1 is beautiful and 11 unique. I am very happy to see this and the rest of 12 the portfolio. 13 on that. 14 Great designs. So kudos to the Mint For the reverse, I prefer reverse 1. 15 And the thing that struck me about this in particular 16 is with the gold coin, I looked at it as a writer and 17 I see Liberty and Britannia E Pluribus Unum, saying 18 one out of many. 19 quite get that flow of the text. 20 thing, but that's what -- a small thing on a beautiful 21 design, I might add, but that struck me as being a 22 nice touch. And on the other designs, you don't So it's just a small So that's why I prefer reverse 1. 23 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 24 DR. BROWN: 25 Turn now to Dr. Dean Kotlowski. Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 43 1 DR. KOTLOWSKI: This is Dean Kotlowski. 2 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 3 first of all, I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, and 4 Peter and Robin for participating in this program, and 5 the artists for rendering this special relationship so 6 effectively, artistically, numismatically. 7 I am perfectly happy -- Number 1 passes the tabletop test. 8 still like the tabletop test. 9 bringing it up. I I'm going to keep This is the coin that's on the table, 10 a bunch of coins, and which one would you pick up, 11 which one catches your attention. 12 you want to pick it up, you want to look at, and then 13 you want to look at it, and then you want to keep 14 looking at it. 15 and it's very inspirational. 16 It's this one. And So I think it's enormously effective With respect to number 2, I just want 17 to say a little bit about it. This is not bad either. 18 The one thing about design number 2 of the obverse is 19 having Liberty and Britannia with their arms, sort of 20 each arm draped over those, kind of a monument here. 21 It gives it an element of informality and casualness 22 that I just don't think is appropriate here. 23 there is something about this coin that is very 24 interesting. 25 going for number 1. But But believe me, all of my support is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 44 1 And then, you know, with the obverse, 2 it would be perfectly appropriate, since King Charles 3 III will be featured on the other side of the British 4 coin, to do something U.S. only. 5 the U.S. could do reverse 2 here. 6 Peter's bringing in of the art nouveaux. 7 to go into my art history background and figure out 8 what I liked about this and what was so nice and 9 swirly about it and captured my attention. 10 This is reverse. And I do appreciate I was trying So the U.S. could go with this, but I 11 still think I'd favor number 1. 12 it well. 13 think the two trees work. 14 the rising sun, you think of Benjamin Franklin with 15 the chair during the Constitutional Convention. 16 a rising sun or is it a setting sun? 17 something quintessentially American about that, 18 although not exclusively American. 19 20 Robin, I think, said There's some art nouveaux elements here. I And I think this idea of Is it There's So those are my comments, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. 21 DR. BROWN: 22 MS. STAFFORD: 23 So Thank you. May I just share something? Mr. Chairman? Sorry. This is April Stafford. 24 DR. BROWN: Please. 25 MS. STAFFORD: A couple of members have www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 45 1 noted the beautiful work by the artist. 2 course the Mint always endeavors to create a broad 3 portfolio from our wide group of artists with whom we 4 work, I need to just underscore that the amazing 5 designs you see in front of you have been developed by 6 our chief engraver, solely. 7 aspect of this program as well. So that's a wonderful 8 DR. BROWN: 9 Let's turn now to Art. 10 And while of Thank you. MR. BERNSTEIN: This is Arthur 11 Bernstein. 12 on the obverse. 13 the architecture of the standing Liberty quarter. 14 monument itself in which the two figures are leaning. 15 And I found it just classical and preferred that 16 design over 1. 17 I'm going to buck the trend a little bit I like design 2. For me, it recalls Design 1 is also beautiful, but I found 18 the helmet on Britannia to be distracting. 19 large and so prominent, that I didn't really see 20 Britannia. 21 both of the designs are beautiful. 22 23 The It's so What I saw was a piece of equipment. But And on the reverse, I support 01 for all the reasons previously stated. Thank you. 24 DR. BROWN: Thank you. 25 We'll go next to Mike Moran. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 46 1 2 MR. MORAN: Thank you, Dr. Brown. This is Mike Moran. 3 I'm clearly out of step with the rest 4 of the Committee here today. I'm not happy with 5 obverse designs. 6 design. 7 appear on the two coins from the different countries. 8 It will be the obverse of our coin. 9 Liberty would be on top and Britannia would be on the I would call number 1 my upside-down You have to think about how it's going to Therefore, 10 bottom and will be on coin turn. 11 the British will be on metal turn, and Britannia will 12 be forever on top of Liberty on that side. 13 On the other hand, It just -- it causes me problems, and I 14 wish we could come up with a different scheme to 15 adequately portray the two images on an equal basis as 16 opposed to this. 17 I also object somewhat to the stars in 18 the hair of Liberty, because that -- while it won't be 19 recognized as something -- a copy of anything over 20 here, it'd be recognized as unique, but it certainly 21 will be recognized over in Europe as a copy of what 22 was done in the painting of Empress Elisabeth of 23 Austria. 24 half of the 19th Century, and the iconic portrait of 25 her is with stars in her hair. She was the reigning beauty of the second And that's how she's www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 47 1 recognized. 2 So I'm not in love with this, and I 3 wish we had a different choice. 4 you're only looking at two images on this portfolio, I 5 know there's problems dealing with two basic different 6 design entities and coming up with unified designs, so 7 I wish I had a better portfolio, in my opinion, to 8 deal with. 9 Particularly when As to the reverse, I'm happy with 10 reverse 1. 11 space between the two trees and above the rising sun 12 is unduly cluttered. 13 that. 14 dealers about that 24 karat, 1 oz, or the $100. 15 could very easily be buried and incused in the waves 16 down below. 17 beautifully balanced between the British and the 18 American trees. And it doesn't really ruin the 19 negative space. I like the -- under Liberty and 20 Britannia. 21 choice for the reverse. 22 But I would suggest that the negative And there's a simple fix to Nobody gives a damn other than the bullion Then you have "In God we trust" It has meaning. So that would be my But as I said, this is not a -- this is 23 not a portfolio I'm in love with. 24 Brown. 25 That DR. BROWN: Thank you, Dr. Thank you, sir. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 48 1 Let's turn it now to John Saunders. 2 MR. SAUNDERS: I could have -- I like 3 obverse 1, with a little exception. I thought Ms. 4 Liberty wasn't looking nearly as serious as Ms. 5 Britannia here and went kind of -- went back and 6 looked at some of my 1794 large pennies and kind of 7 looked at the original Liberty face that we put on 8 coins. 9 little bit more serious, I'd like to see it. If there's a way of making Ms. Liberty a But I'm 10 coming into this late, so it may be too late for 11 something like that. 12 I'm with Mike. I'm not sure I'm in 13 love with the stars in her hair. 14 them either. 15 know, overall it's a nice design. 16 I'm not sure I hate Kind of ambivalent about that. But, you I liked design 2 a little bit, too. 17 Besides remembering of the Liberty standing quarter, 18 it also is very much like that Pallas Athena that 19 appears on a lot of the classic Dutch coins with 20 resting on a pedestal beside her and kind of a symbol 21 of Liberty. 22 I'd like to see her a little bit more serious looking 23 if it's possible. 24 25 But I'm okay with number 1 with, again, In terms of reverse, I liked -- I liked all three of them, quite honestly. I liked number 1 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 49 1 best. I do have a suggestion. 2 already on the front of the coin, and it's kind of 3 busy with all the writing that's there. 4 to see Liberty and Britannia removed from the reverse 5 so that we have less writing there. 6 $100 and the gold is important. 7 way of doing it, I'd be open to it. 8 way it is. 9 We have Liberty I would like And again, the If there's another But it's okay the I would also like -- and I don't know 10 if it's possible. 11 there's any way of putting even very, very subtly 12 incuse the name of the trees on the trees so that we 13 can see that it's an English yew tree. 14 have recognized it as such if it wasn't there. 15 could be something that doesn't jump that you, you'd 16 have to look for it to see it, but it would be there 17 if you looked. 18 This is kind of up to Joe. But if I wouldn't It So that would be the possibility. I liked number 2. I'm not sure how all 19 the flowing lines were kind of hair intermingled with 20 gown and tree, perhaps, would look engraved as opposed 21 to in a picture. 22 that sort of treatment had been done on a coin. 23 as I say, I like the design, again with a comment of 24 Liberty and Britannia. 25 already, so I don't know that that's at all necessary. I wish we could see something where But We have Liberty on the front www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 50 1 I don't know that I like the word "Britannia" going on 2 one of our coins either. 3 it's an American coin. 4 on the front. 5 else there for the design. 6 Nothing anti-English, but And as I say, we have Liberty So I would consider putting something I like design 3, too. 7 think I like 2 better than 3. 8 nice. 9 DR. BROWN: Basically, I But they're all three Thank you so much, John. 10 Let's turn now to Sam Gill. 11 MR. GILL: Thank you, Dr. Brown. Well, 12 I'm just going to say that the obverse designs are 13 both beautiful, pure and simple. 14 I love the way it flows. 15 beautiful. 16 the year. 17 spectacular. 18 But I love number 1. I think it's unique. It's And I really think that could be a coin of Just really do. It's just going to be And I love reverse 01. I love the 19 trees. I love our trees that we did before on our 20 gold coin. 21 any kind of yew wood tables and things like that, but 22 they are hard as a brick and they are just, just 23 beautiful, beautiful pieces of wood. 24 to me it just symbolizes just the endurance of the two 25 countries, because these are enduring trees. And I don't know if many of you have seen www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And to -- and so I love CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 51 1 it. 2 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 3 DR. BROWN: 4 Let's turn now to Harcourt Fuller. 5 DR. FULLER: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 6 This is Harcourt Fuller. 7 Mr. Chairman, if you would permit me, I'd like to ask 8 a question of John and Mike. 9 10 I'll make some comments, and DR. BROWN: DR. FULLER: Is that permissible? Yes. Thank you. Joe, I'd like 11 to congratulate you on a wonderful portfolio. 12 really love the coins. 13 reverse, when I look at them, I see symmetry. 14 go to the obverse, please? 15 I And both the obverse and Can we When I look at this coin, I'm thinking 16 about, you know, flipping it upside down, you know, as 17 Mike used the term. 18 see people, you know, looking at the coin, you know, 19 sort of both ways. 20 looks like a fun coin. 21 So I like the symmetry, and I can I think it flows as well, and it And I'll ask my question -- I'll ask 22 Mike after I talk about the reverse. 23 reverse, please? 24 25 Can we go to the Reverse 1, please? Yes. Again, I like the symmetry. When I look at it, I'm looking at, you know, the sunrays www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 52 1 right smack in the middle, and I see that these two 2 enduring trees, and they speak of strength. 3 So I think it's very beautiful. 4 obverse 1 and reverse 1. 5 So I'm going to with My question for Mike -- I'm sorry, for 6 John, if I may. 7 Liberty have to be serious? 8 9 And yes. And this is a question. MR. SAUNDERS: has to be. Why does I don't know that she It's just kind of traditional. I've been 10 looking at coins for Liberty -- matter of fact, I just 11 bought a really nice French medal that was reminiscent 12 of during the First Revolution. 13 is an important thing, so that's, I guess, why I think 14 it should be a little bit more serious. 15 DR. FULLER: And I think Liberty Okay. And for Mike, if I 16 may. 17 Okay. 18 know if you flip it on the Britannia side, I guess the 19 number 2024 is reversed. 20 trying to design by Committee. 21 comment. 22 Can we go back to obverse one, please? Great. Yes. Yes. Would you be satisfied, because I And forgive me. I'm not I'm just making a If we had 2024 on the other side so 23 that when you flip it to the British side, so to 24 speak, with the British side being up, that it 25 wouldn't look upside-down, if you understand what I'm www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 53 1 saying. Would that make a difference or no? 2 MR. MORAN: Probably not. It's obvious 3 that -- this is Mike Moran. 4 doesn't particularly like this design on the 5 Committee, so you know, I'm not going to belabor the 6 point. 7 have the eyes of Liberty looking toward Liberty rather 8 than the date. 9 I'm the only one that To me, if I were to do it, is I would rather DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 10 DR. FULLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 11 DR. BROWN: 12 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. Yes. So I was going to 13 say, it's our understanding, and correct me if I'm 14 wrong, Joe, that the British Royal Mint are going to 15 have their own inscriptions on their version of this 16 coin. 17 But if you can react to that suggestion? MR. MENNA: If I may. So understand, 18 because of the profundity, because of the large amount 19 of inscriptions that the Royal Mint required, our 20 collaborative answer to that was a border. 21 border is thicker. 22 wanted, in our collaborative efforts, wanted to stress 23 the portraits, to allow more freedom of artwork on our 24 obverse version. 25 reversing Liberty and 2024, I have a job for you if Their There's a lot more words. We Dr. Harcourt's suggestion of simply www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 54 1 you want it, Doc, on my art staff. 2 idea. 3 That's a great Because then Liberty is -- understand 4 as well, we have a certain chief of the Office of 5 Design Management who came up with this brilliant idea 6 of actually -- see, originally -- I don't want to deep 7 dive too much, so let's just say there's a reason why 8 Liberty is on top of ours and Britannia will be on top 9 of the British version. They're not identical. And 10 by virtue of our natural coin flip, it will be 11 anchored on the top, understandably, to people who are 12 not -- just who are familiar with the traditional coin 13 flip. 14 The silver medal, yes, I can understand 15 that. 16 should advise or not advise, but this is the best 17 balance we could find between servant -- it has to be 18 a -- it's a joint venture, it's a collaboration, so 19 how do we make the same design for two different 20 countries with two different inscription requirements? 21 We felt this was -- this is the best solution that we 22 could come up with. 23 best possible solution in the world, if that makes 24 sense. 25 But I won't editorialize this to what you folks But I'm not telling you it's the That was Joe Menna. DR. BROWN: Thank you, Joe. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And as the CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 55 1 chair, I'd like to underscore the collaboration here. 2 The collaboration was not only the engravers from the 3 U.S. and from Britain. 4 as the CCAC. 5 have a pretty extensive conversation with our 6 colleagues at the CFA to understand their perspectives 7 with respect to design. 8 you is actually a result of that collaboration. 9 There's also the CFA, as well The work groups that -- so that we did And what you have in front of Now, I would agree that there was 10 always, as Joe made, room for improvement. At the 11 same time, there's also an understanding that we also 12 need to recognize that sometimes beauty can take place 13 without having to actually feature some of the things 14 that some of us would like to have featured. 15 So I would -- I too am going to endorse 16 obverse 1 and reverse 1, partly because of the fact of 17 the conversation I've heard here today, but also 18 partly because of the conversation we have had with 19 our colleagues in the CFA. 20 robust and helped to convince me that this made the 21 best sense for this collaboration. 22 Because that was, in fact, Are there any other questions or 23 comments with respect to this program before we begin 24 to vote? 25 John? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 56 1 MR. SAUNDERS: I would like to ask Joe 2 if the idea I had is workable, even whether we would 3 like it or not, of putting English yew here and 4 American oak or -- there. 5 MR. MENNA: [Unintelligible response.] 6 DR. BROWN: You certainly may. 7 MR. MENNA: Mr. Saunders, honestly -- 8 this is Joe Menna. Mr. Saunders, with all due 9 respect, I would not recommend that due to the trees 10 being so close to the edge of the coin. To incuse 11 them so close to the border would -- I would defer to 12 my boss, Mike. 13 coinability risk and also a legibility risk due to 14 the -- this looks like a very graphic design. 15 Understand, if you've seen -- I think images have been 16 released of the 2023 Liberty coin. 17 and downs of how that tree, you know, even though it's 18 going to be close to the edge, the frequency of the 19 heights -- the frequency, meaning it literally, 20 frequency of the relief -- amplitude, rather, the 21 amplitude changes in the relief would prohibit 22 incusing anything near the border there, unless we 23 made it flat. You don't -- there would be a 24 DR. BROWN: 25 DR. VAN ALFEN: Look at the ups Peter? This is Peter Van www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 57 1 Alfen. 2 well as Mike Moran's comments about maybe shifting 3 some of the inscription on the gold version from 4 between the trees to some other portion. 5 were just saying about incusing close to the border 6 would apply to that as well then. 7 Following up on both Mr. Saunders' comments as MR. MENNA: Yes. What you Is that correct? This is Joe Menna. 8 None of the inscriptions could be -- the way this is 9 going to be sculpted, looking at a graphic image, this 10 is basically the same planchet as our Liberty coin. 11 Even on a reverse, this is high relief. 12 inscriptions -- I mean, if you look at the complexity, 13 and I don't mean that in a pretentious way, if you 14 look at the activity of the graphic elements there, 15 imagine it equally being active in relief and ask -- 16 you can't incuse anything. 17 Any The only place I thought about incusing 18 something was $100 in the sun. I thought that would 19 be really cheesy. 20 incuse something is in the sun. 21 active, it won't be legible, it's not going to look 22 polished, and then the draft angles going to it, it's 23 going to just disappear. 24 balance between how's it going to look on the gold and 25 be happier with the silver medal, if that makes sense. But that's the only place you can Everything else is so I think you have to form a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 58 1 DR. VAN ALFEN: 2 Alfen, just with a follow up. 3 possibility of moving any of that to the edge? 4 5 No. MR. MENNA: No. Not on this reverse. No. And this is Peter Van Is there any This is Joseph Menna. 6 DR. VAN ALFEN: 7 DR. BROWN: Any other additional MR. MENNA: You know, me -- this is Joe 8 comments? 9 Okay. Joe? 10 Menna. I just want to say -- I don't want to get 11 emotional, but this -- the gift of being able to have 12 this job made it so I get to, by default, be the 13 person that does this. 14 opportunity I've had in my life, and the greatest 15 opportunity I've received at Mint. And I'm honored 16 that you're all looking at it now. Thank you. And it's the greatest 17 DR. VAN ALFEN: 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 19 DR. BROWN: 20 MS. WARREN: 21 Bravo. Thank you, Joe. On that note, let's score. Can we recess for 10 minutes? 22 23 Yes. DR. BROWN: Let's recess for 10 minutes. 24 (Recess.) 25 DR. BROWN: We are back. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Turn now to CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 59 1 Greg. 2 score. He's going to provide us the results of the 3 MR. WEINMAN: Once again, this is out 4 of a possible 30 points. 5 out of 30 points, making it the high-scoring design. 6 Obverse number 2 received 9 out of 30. 7 Obverse number 1 received 23 When it comes to the reverses, reverse 8 number 1 received 27 out of a possible 30, making it 9 the high-scoring design for the reverses. Reverse 10 number 2 received 14 points. Reverse number 3 11 received 6 points. 12 So once again, following the CFA, obverse number 1 and 13 reverse number 1 were the high-scoring designs. And reverse 3A received 7 points. 14 DR. BROWN: 15 Are there any motions? 16 MR. MORAN: I have a question -- 17 DR. BROWN: Question. 18 MR. MORAN: -- Dr. Brown. DR. BROWN: This is a question from 22 MR. MORAN: Yes. 23 Joe, could we -- I get the idea that it 19 And this is for Joe Menna. 20 21 Thank you, Greg. Mike Moran. Mike Moran. 24 doesn't work on the edge for the inscriptions on the 25 reverse. Is there a possibility of changing the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 60 1 treatment of the weight and the denomination so that 2 it doesn't stand out as boldly as the other 3 inscriptions to finesse that a bit so that it doesn't 4 appear such a forced stack as it does now? 5 MR. MENNA: Mike, you mean on reverse 7 MR. MORAN: Yes. 8 MR. MENNA: No. 9 MR. MORAN: No? 10 MR. MENNA: With respect. 6 number 1? And 11 additionally, I would like to add -- this is an 12 editorial comment. 13 all your comments, and I'm grateful for your input on 14 the designs. I greatly appreciate and respect Thank you. 15 DR. BROWN: Are there any motions? 16 Hearing no further motions, then the 17 score stands for themselves, and we are in recess. 18 Until? 19 MS. WARREN: 20 DR. BROWN: 21 (Recess.) 22 DR. BROWN: 11:10. Until 11:10. Good morning, once again. 23 Turn back in session, and we will now move to review 24 the candidate designs for the Willie O'Ree 25 Congressional Gold Medal. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 61 1 April Stafford, chief of the Mint's 2 Office of Design Management will introduce the program 3 and present the obverse and reverse candidate designs 4 for the Willie O'Ree Congressional Gold Medal. 5 Again, my name is Lawrence Brown. I 6 have the honor and privilege to be the chair of the 7 CCAC. 8 9 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. This is April Stafford. 10 Some background information on this 11 program. Born on October 15, 1935, in New Brunswick, 12 Canada, Willie O'Ree is a member of the Hockey Hall of 13 Fame who played more than 20 seasons of professional 14 hockey, including 45 games in the National Hockey 15 League as the League's first Black player. 16 In the 1955-'56 season, O'Ree was a 17 prolific junior scorer with the Kitchener Canucks of 18 the Ontario Hockey Association. 19 season that an on-ice accident caused a puck to 20 shatter his right retina, leaving him blind in his 21 right eye. 22 play hockey again. 23 secret and returned to skating within five weeks. 24 one would discover his vision disability until many 25 years later. It was during this Doctors told O'Ree that he would never However, he kept his blindness a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 No CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 62 1 The following season, O'Ree joined the 2 Quebec Aces, a senior team affiliated with the NHL's 3 Boston Bruins. 4 Aces win the Edinburgh Trophy, awarded to the winners 5 of the series between the senior champions of the 6 Western Hockey League and the Quebec Hockey League. 7 O'Ree scored 22 times, helping the The Boston Bruins summoned Willie O'Ree 8 to the old Montreal Forum on January 18, 1958, to 9 replace an injured player in that night's contest 10 against the Canadiens, making him the first Black 11 player to compete in the NHL. 12 moment in the game's history. 13 It was a trailblazing That stint lasted two games before 14 O'Ree was returned to the Aces. 15 18, 1960, O'Ree was recalled to the Bruins. 16 up playing 43 games on left wing for Boston that 17 season, tallying 4 goals and 10 assists. 18 However, on November He ended O'Ree had endured racial taunts 19 throughout his hockey career, and visiting NHL arenas 20 was no different, where he was subjected to slurs and 21 discrimination from fans and opposing players. 22 Following that season, O'Ree was traded to the 23 Montreal Canadiens. 24 the NHL, his playing career continued until 1979, 25 where he won two scoring titles. Though he never again played in www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 63 1 The magnitude and singularity of Willie 2 O'Ree's hockey career as a Black player cannot be 3 overstated. 4 only six NHL franchises. 5 join an NHL team, Mike Marson, did not join until the 6 1974-'75 season. 7 opened the door for other players of color to dream 8 about an NHL career. 9 players have worn an NHL uniform. O'Ree played at a time when there were 10 The second Black player to O'Ree's NHL career, albeit brief, To date, more than 100 Black In 1998, the NHL hired O'Ree as the 11 League's Diversity Ambassador. 12 built and supported the Hockey is for Everyone 13 grassroots youth hockey network, which is focused on 14 giving underrepresented boys and girls the opportunity 15 to play hockey. 16 In this role, he has The network includes more than 26 non- 17 profit youth hockey programs across 40 locations in 18 North America, and it has served more than 130,000 19 children. 20 has made more than 500 visits to schools, community 21 centers, and rinks, over nearly 2,500 travel days, and 22 has been the subject of more than 13,000 books, 23 articles, and shows. 24 the Hockey Hall of Fame. 25 The results have been substantial. O'Ree In 2018, O'Ree was inducted into In developing this portfolio, the Mint www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 64 1 worked with the designated congressional liaison, Rob 2 Wooley, a senior director at the NHL, as well as 3 family representative Chandra O'Ree, daughter of 4 Honoree Willie O'Ree. 5 Mr. Wooley and Ms. O'Ree, would you 6 like to say a few words to the Committee? 7 MR. WOOLEY: 8 Sure. I'll yield to Chandra to start, and then I'm happy to follow her. 9 MS. O'REE: Thanks, Rob. Thank you for 10 allowing me to even participate in this process. 11 has been extraordinary to really watch the creation or 12 what might become the creation of a gold medal for my 13 father, which is something I don't think I would have 14 ever thought would happen. 15 It To be able to be a part of this has 16 been really, really special, not only for myself but 17 being able to share this process with my dad has been 18 really, really special as well. 19 thank you all for allowing me to be here and be a part 20 of it and to listen to our feedback, and we're really 21 excited to see what turns out of the medal. 22 MR. WOOLEY: So I just want to Good morning, everyone. 23 Rob Wooley with the National Hockey League. 24 so much for inviting me to join your discussion this 25 morning. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 65 1 I've known Willie for the better part 2 of 15 years. 3 years, traveled all across North America with Willie 4 O'Ree, as he has embarked upon his work with children 5 in particular, and introducing them to a sport that 6 otherwise may not have been available to them. 7 I staffed him for a number of those And you know, I think, you know, 8 certainly listening to -- every time I listen to 9 Willie's bio and hear the number of achievements that 10 he's accomplished over the course of his lifetime, I'm 11 always reminded that perhaps his most profound impact 12 has come in the years after he retired from hockey in 13 1979. 14 United States, not only teaching them the game of 15 hockey, but the important lessons that they will take 16 with them throughout their entire lives. And he's done so much for children across the 17 And we're so thrilled to see, in 18 reviewing some of the design concepts, representation 19 of that work, which is just incredibly meaningful to 20 his legacy. 21 right track. 22 And I think that we're certainly on the You know, his work at the grassroots 23 level is really just a phenomenal story, you know, 24 beyond his accomplishments with the Boston Bruins and 25 all of the things that he had to do to persevere. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 66 1 So we're just so incredibly honored to 2 be part of this process. 3 Willie and to be friends with Willie and the O'Ree 4 family, and really look forward to continuing to be 5 part of this process which has been going on for a 6 long time. 7 part of this. But we're very excited and thrilled to be 8 9 I'm so honored to have known Thank you. Thank you for having us. MS. STAFFORD: for being with us here today. Thank you both so much And we'll go on to show 10 the design preferences that our liaisons and the other 11 federal advisory committee, the Commission of Fine 12 Arts, identify. 13 So we have first obverse 4 as a 14 preference of the NHL, as well as obverse -- sorry. 15 Okay. 16 preference of the NHL, one of the two preferred 17 obverses, if paired with reverse 5. 18 appreciate that. 19 obverse 2, which also happens to be the family 20 representative's preferred design. 21 the recommendation of the CFA. 22 Let me try this again. Obverse 4, which is the Thank you. I And then the NHL also identified Obverse 2 is also For a preferred reverse of the family 23 we have reverse 1, which also happens to be the 24 recommendation of the CFA, although there are some 25 suggested changes to this composition to increase the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 67 1 focus of this composition on his work with youth 2 hockey, which I'll describe when we get to that 3 design. 4 So moving through the entire portfolio 5 of candidate designs, we'll start back at obverse 1. 6 This design shows a portrait of a young Willie O'Ree 7 next to raised and incused lines reminiscent of a 8 hockey uniform. 9 appear in a distinctive font, suggesting the dynamism 10 O'Ree's name and Boston Bruins number that defined Willie O'Ree's playing style. 11 Obverse 2 depicts an older Willie 12 O'Ree, wearing his trademark fedora hat. 13 inscription, "Forget about what you can't see and 14 focus on what you can see," not only refers to his 15 blindness in one eye, but also to his drive and focus 16 in overcoming obstacles to become the first Black 17 hockey player in NHL history. 18 The Again, obverse 2 is one of two 19 preferred preferences of our liaison. The O'Ree 20 family representative also favors obverse 2. 21 2 also is the recommendation of the Commission of Fine 22 Arts. Obverse 23 Obverse 2A depicts a younger Willie 24 O'Ree and includes the inscription, "hockey is for 25 everyone." Both designs features the Boston Bruins www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 68 1 logo in the background. 2 Moving onto obverse 3, features Willie 3 O'Ree's words, "True strength comes from diversity and 4 inclusion," from his Hall of Fame induction speech. 5 Below is the inscription, "hockey is for everyone," in 6 perspective to represent the floor of a hockey rink. 7 The main portrait is of an older O'Ree, wearing a 8 fedora hat, holding a hockey stick with a modern 9 hockey glove. 10 Obverse 4 shows Willie O'Ree holding a 11 hockey stick and wearing his Boston Bruins uniform. 12 O'Ree's ubiquitous smile shines, and his number 22 13 rounds out the design. 14 obverse preferences of the liaison, in particular if 15 paired with reverse 5. 16 Again, obverse 4 is one of two Moving onto the reverse designs. 17 Reverse 1 depicts a goal being scored by Wille O'Ree 18 while playing for the Boston Bruins. 19 rejoice behind him as he scores. 20 representative favors this design, if revised so that 21 it substitutes young people in place of Bruins players 22 in the background, as well as a change to the upper 23 inscription to "hockey is for everyone," in order to 24 emphasize Willie O'Ree's work to build access to 25 hockey through the NHL's Hockey is for Everyone Teammates The O'Ree family www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 69 1 Program. 2 Should this go to the Secretary as a 3 recommendation and the Secretary approved the change, 4 the design description would also be updated to 5 reflect the revision. 6 recommendation by the CFA, who agreed with the 7 suggested edits by the family. 8 9 This design is also the Reverse 2 shows two hockey players, both young women, facing off on the ice. They form a 10 textured border surrounding Willie O'Ree's famous 11 quote "Forget about what you can't see and focus on 12 what you can see." 13 Design 3, reverse 3, shows two young 14 women vying for the puck. 15 appears to the left, with "hockey is for everyone" 16 below. 17 diversity ambassador is about expanding hockey and 18 inclusivity in underrepresented American communities. 19 The additional inscription "Act of Congress 2022" 20 rounds out the design. 21 Willie O'Ree's number, 22 The NHL initiative for which O'Ree serves as Reverse 4 presents Willie O'Ree in 22 action on the ice. The inscription "Forget about what 23 you can't see and focus on what you can see" reminds 24 the viewer that overcoming obstacles depends on focus 25 and determination. The additional inscription "Act of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 70 1 Congress 2022" appears below the composition. 2 And finally, reverse 5 shows Willie 3 O'Ree in his characteristic fedora hat. He holds a 4 hockey stick and stands with two young hockey players. 5 As O'Ree's playing career ended, he shifted to 6 supporting grassroots hockey programs through the 7 NHL's Hockey is for Everyone initiative. 8 famous quote "Forget about what you can't see and 9 focus on what you can see" speaks to his drive to O'Ree's 10 overcome obstacles on and off the ice. The additional 11 inscription "Act of Congress 2022" appears below the 12 quote. 13 paired with obverse 4. Reverse 5 is the preference of the liaison, if 14 And I would note, several of these 15 designs have the inscription "Forget about what you 16 can't see and focus on what you see." 17 those go to the Secretary for consideration, the Mint, 18 in consultation with the family, would recommend 19 removing the comma before "and." 20 images show hockey sticks. 21 would have to work with the artist to put tape on them 22 to be accurate. 23 24 25 Should any of And some of these Any going forward, we And that concludes the candidate designs. DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 This is CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 71 1 Lawrence Brown. 2 to thank Ms. O'Ree and Mr. Wooley for allowing us the 3 opportunity to be part of the retelling of the story 4 of Mr. O'Ree on the ice, as well as off the ice. 5 is -- on the CCAC, do not get as many opportunities as 6 we would like to continue to tell stories that have 7 not been told as adequately, and allow the American 8 public to really appreciate them. 9 And I want to say first and foremost This First, are there any technical or legal 10 questions from the Committee about this program or 11 these designs for the Willie O'Ree Congressional Gold 12 Medal before we begin our general discussion? 13 Hearing none, let us begin our general 14 consideration. 15 CCAC to please, as much as possible, to keep comments 16 to five minutes or less. 17 have questions beyond matters that have been brought 18 up thus far, please refrain and I promise we will get 19 back to you to allow you to pose those questions. 20 I would like to remind members of the Additionally, if any members As a reminder, for the benefit of the 21 court reporter, remember to please state your name 22 before you begin speaking. Let us begin. 23 Dr. Dean Kotlowski? 24 DR. KOTLOWSKI: 25 Chairman. Thank you, Mr. This is Dr. Dean Kotlowski. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I actually CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 72 1 remembered this time to say my name. 2 forget to do that. 3 the wonderful artistic team that put in so much effort 4 to the designs that we have the privilege of 5 reviewing. And I do so now. 6 portfolio. They all have been for this session. 7 want to especially welcome Ms. Chandra O'Ree and Mr. 8 Rob Wooley, and offer congratulations to both of you 9 on this tremendous honor. 10 I sometimes And I sometimes forget to thank I think this is a great I And Mr. Chairman, just to follow up on 11 what you were saying, maybe moving back and forth here 12 as I speak, this is an important story about racial 13 justice and inclusion in America. 14 lot of us, if not all of us, you can see the very 15 clear parallels with the stories of Jackie Robinson 16 and Larry Doby in baseball. 17 And I think to a It's an overlooked story, Mr. Chairman, 18 as you were indicating. 19 parallel to the ways in which the National Hockey 20 League is overlooked. 21 National Hockey League has the same kind of popularity 22 and publicity and coverage in American culture that 23 baseball, football, and basketball -- professional 24 baseball, football, and basketball have. 25 Much like, I would say, or Because I'm not sure that the So in my remarks, I just want to say www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 73 1 that the NHL has been around for a long time. It's 2 older than the NBA. It is 3 older than any professional league that is at least 4 partially based in the United States than the American 5 League or the National League. 6 only ones that beat it. 7 It's older than the NFL. So baseball are the It has a rich history. And as we 8 learned today and as people will learn in the future, 9 Willie O'Ree is a part of that rich history. And it 10 has a strong tradition of internationalism, and in a 11 way, Willie O'Ree fits into that story as well, 12 because the first U.S.-based franchise in the National 13 Hockey League was the Boston Bruins. 14 tell you are the archrival of my Buffalo Sabres. 15 Which I have to Now, the story of this medal is in so 16 many ways a story about many things, including the 17 unexpected and learning a story that you didn't know 18 before. 19 here and say something, again, unexpected about the 20 Buffalo Sabres, and I'm going to come back to Willie 21 O'Ree. 22 I'm just going to take one or two minutes I promise. But, you know, Buffalo is a blue-collar 23 town, and that's its image. And the Buffalo Bills 24 sort of feed into that image, if you look at the 25 coverage of them. The Buffalo Sabres are a little www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 74 1 different. They have an aristocratic dimension to 2 them. 3 about the Buffalo Sabres. 4 owners were the Knox brothers, Seymour H. Knox III and 5 Northrup Knox. 6 family name is on the art gallery in Buffalo, the 7 Albright-Knox. 8 urban legend, the blue and gold, were the colors of 9 Northrup Knox's polo team. So most people, I think, don't know very much 10 But the team's original They were Buffalo patricians. Their And the team colors, according to Buffalo Sabres' theme song or music is 11 Aram Khachaturian's Sabre Dance. 12 you know, how many sports teams have instrumental 13 classical music as their music? 14 if you will. 15 And I would wonder, As their team song, So this is the unexpected. This is far 16 away from the old Rodney Dangerfield joke. 17 heard this one? 18 fistfights and a hockey game broke out. 19 more than that, and this story is more than that. 20 Have you That last night I went to the The NHL is And when I first started watching the 21 Buffalo Sabres and following them in earnest in the 22 1980s, early 1980s, there were three African American 23 players. 24 League. 25 for the Edmonton Oilers. Three Black players in the National Hockey There was Grant Fuhr, who was a goaltender Great goaltender. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Stanley CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 75 1 Cup winner. 2 Hartford Whalers, and closed his career with the 3 Boston Bruins. 4 the Buffalo Sabres. 5 was one of my favorite players. 6 There was Ray Neufeld, who played for the And then there was Tony McKegney of And I was oh so proud that -- he So just to think that it all started 7 with Willie O'Ree, it's really an inspiring story, and 8 I'm so, so glad that it can be told and so that he and 9 the National Hockey League are getting this kind of 10 recognition. 11 Moving onto the designs, which is the 12 main work of today, I have to say that I tended to 13 favor a younger portrait for the obverse of Willie 14 O'Ree. 15 4, paired with reverse 5. 16 pairing. 17 obverse 2 paired with a reverse. 18 So I was very much drawn to number 4, obverse I thought that was a good I can see the value, though, in having If we -- again, jumping back and forth 19 with the reverses, I didn't like all of the 20 prescriptive talk about changing reverse 1. 21 getting hard for me to visualize. 22 just having the Bruins there. 23 reverse design, which I think the NHL identified. 24 having trouble getting it. 25 forward. It was I kind of liked I also liked the Oh, here. I'm If we can move I think it's reverse -- it's not that one. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 76 1 It's this one that I really like. 2 Reverse 4. 3 Go back one. Again, back and forth, back and forth 4 here today. 5 something about obverse 1. 6 very artistically sophisticated design. 7 I love the lettering, the number, and the stick. 8 way that all comes together, it looks like a hockey 9 card that I would have collected about 40 or so years 10 If we go back to obverse 1, I want to say I think that this is a Very moving. The ago. 11 So I think that there are a lot of 12 great designs here. 13 of one or the other. 14 I'm just sort of setting the table in terms of what 15 caught my eye. 16 rest of my colleagues on the Committee think and vote 17 accordingly. 18 19 I'm not really strongly in favor I'm the first one to go here. I'll be very happy to hear what the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. DR. BROWN: Dean, thank you for your thoughtful comments. 20 Let's turn now to Harcourt. 21 DR. FULLER: 22 23 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome, Chandra O'Ree, and Rob Wooley. You know, I think it's always a 24 pleasure to -- it's always a pleasure to review 25 portfolios that really -- where you learn something. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 77 1 Right? And I think that, you know, for so many of us 2 there are sports -- so many people in my community, if 3 I may speak frankly, where there are sports where we 4 don't traditionally feel that we belong. 5 one of those sports, and you know, that has changed 6 for the better, I think. 7 know, people of color now want to play the sport, 8 because when you get representation you get inclusion. 9 You know? Tennis was So many young people, you A rising tide lifts all boats, and I think 10 it's great for America, it's great for everyone, 11 everyone in the world. 12 And I'll say a little bit at the end of 13 my comments about how hockey, for example, is 14 spreading to other parts of the world. 15 So can we go to the obverses, please? 16 I also prefer a younger version of Willie O'Ree, 17 because I'm always thinking about how do we inspire 18 non-traditional groups of people to participate, and I 19 think that with all due respect to the stakeholders, I 20 believe that, you know, showing a younger person 21 makes, you know, young folks believe that they 22 themselves can do it as well. 23 This is just a classic portrait. 24 love the lettering. I just feel it's warm. 25 you feel like he's approachable. I You know, So I like that one. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 78 1 And then if we can go to obverse 4, 2 please. I really love obverse 4. 3 you know, the Boston Bruins -- full disclosure, I 4 lived in Boston for many years. 5 in Boston. 6 know, watching, of course, Boston Bruins games on TV 7 and things. 8 aspirational, and so I'll be giving that high marks. 9 I mean, when I see, My daughter was born And so, you know, I -- and I remember, you So this just looks very inspirational and If we could go to the reverses, please. 10 That's 1, right? 11 I liked just seeing them play. 12 with Dean. 13 understand the notion that we would replace the 14 players in the background with children. 15 seeing them play -- I like the image as is, if I may. 16 Yes. So I really liked reverse 1. I like it as it is. And I guess I'd agree I didn't fully I like Can we go to reverse 4, please? 17 I really like that as well. 18 another aspect of Willie as a player. 19 Yes. The detail, showing I want to close my comments by going 20 into my email box, if I will, and I just want to read 21 you a headline that I just got in my email box. 22 "Canadian businessman plans multipurpose ice rink for 23 Jamaica." 24 to so many people as, you know, the sport gets spread 25 globally to non-traditional and unexpected places. And so I think this will be an inspiration www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 79 1 don't know if the bobsledders in Jamaica will be happy 2 because now, you know -- but again, I want to thank 3 you for this privilege of reviewing this portfolio. 4 Thank you. 5 6 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much, Harcourt, for your thoughtful comments. 7 Let's turn now to Dennis Tucker. 8 MR. TUCKER: 9 Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is Dennis Tucker. 10 I think our liaisons have selected a 11 very good combination of designs with obverse 1 and 12 reverse 1. 13 inspiring quote, and we have action. 14 good things to see in a Congressional gold medal. 15 We have a strong portrait, we have an So those are all I want to point something out about the 16 wording of "Act of Congress." This is something that 17 we've talked about before. 18 Congressional gold medal, but recently it's become 19 traditional to include that wording. 20 some older Congressional gold medals, they use wording 21 such as "Award of Congress." 22 is celebratory rather than legislative. 23 might not be a discussion for this particular medal, 24 but something to think about in the future, if our 25 artists might consider using different language such This is not required on a If you look at And to me, that wording www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And this CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 80 1 as "Award of Congress." 2 But back to this particular medal 3 portfolio, I agree with the liaison's preferences, and 4 I think it will be a very nice medal. 5 MS. STAFFORD: This is April. Just in 6 the event I misspoke, obverse 1 was not an identified 7 preference of the liaisons. It was -- 8 MR. TUCKER: 9 MS. STAFFORD: 10 obverse 2 were identified. 11 MR. TUCKER: 12 Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. It was obverse 4 and This is Dennis Tucker. I meant to say obverse 2. 13 MS. STAFFORD: 14 MR. TUCKER: Yes. Okay. Oh, okay. Thank you for that 15 correction. And of course with the 16 reverse 1 having the change in the inscription, 17 otherwise it would be repetitive. 18 duplicated on front and back. 19 Thank you, Dr. Brown. It would be Those are my comments. 20 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 21 Let's turn now to Robin. 22 MS. SALMON: This is Robin Salmon. I 23 was particularly pleased to review these designs, and 24 also to learn about Mr. O'Ree. 25 live is made up of two counties. The community where I One is Georgetown www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 81 1 County; the other is Horry County. 2 H-O-R-R-Y. 3 made me wonder. It's spelled Old French Huguenot name. 4 And it just So the designs that the family and the 5 CFA and the National Hockey League have listed as 6 their preferred are perfectly fine. 7 obverse 02 and reverse 01 complement one another well, 8 in terms of design. 9 lettering, having the different slogan on reverse 1 10 I think that And of course changing the makes perfect sense. 11 I can go either way with leaving the 12 players as they are or making them children. 13 message is still important, that hockey is for 14 everyone. 15 The I do also want to say something about 16 obverse 01 and obverse 04. I think that this design 17 is just lovely. 18 lettering, the hint of the uniform, the speed of the 19 lettering, all of that goes together to make a really 20 lovely design. 21 seems to evoke the man. 22 O'Ree, but from what I've read, this seems like a very 23 good image to represent him. 24 artists who designed those two obverse designs. 25 They're really quite good. And the straightforward portrait, the And then in 4, obverse 4, that also I, of course, don't know Mr. And I commend the two www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 82 1 2 I will concede to the family's wishes and go with obverse 2 and reverse 1. 3 DR. BROWN: 4 Let's turn now to Art. 5 MR. BERNSTEIN: Thank you. Thank you so much. This is Art Bernstein. 6 In contrary to the two professors who spoke first, I 7 want to speak in favor of obverse 2, which shows Mr. 8 O'Ree as an older gentleman. 9 of Mr. O'Ree, we're honoring his entire lifetime. As I listen to the story And 10 I like the idea of showing him later in life on the 11 obverse, and then earlier in life on the reverse. 12 So I lean towards obverse 2, and on the 13 reverse I support reverse 1, and I would leave it as 14 it's designed. Thank you. 15 DR. BROWN: 16 Turn to Mike. 17 MR. MORAN: 18 Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Brown. This is Mike Moran. 19 As I think back over my time on the 20 committee, when we'd get these portfolios for 21 Congressional gold medals, sometimes they work, 22 sometimes they don't work, depending upon the subject 23 matter. 24 it's just a difficult subject to put on a gold medal. 25 Sometimes they need reworking. Sometimes We're fortunate here in that, first, we www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 83 1 have a very good portfolio in which to choose. 2 secondly, I'm grateful to the O'Ree family for sharing 3 their perception, as well as to Mr. O'Ree himself. 4 Their perception of him. 5 with their selections here of number 2 on the obverse 6 and number 1 on the reverse. 7 to see. 8 his career with the NHL, with his association with 9 hockey over his lifetime, and we should give it to 10 them. But And they very much show that This is what they want That's what they value the most in terms of And I will. 11 DR. BROWN: Thank you, Mike. 12 Let's turn to Sam Gill. 13 MR. GILL: 14 Well, I broke this down into two Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 15 groups. 16 later in life, and then as a young man. 17 first -- I do like him -- I echo Art's feelings on 18 this. 19 because that's how a lot of people know this man. 20 He's been working later in life as this ambassador to 21 bring hockey to everyone. 22 very fitting image for him. 23 Mr. O'Ree as he is today or he has been in So I -- my I do like the portrayal of him as an older man, And I think that's a very, However, having said that, the younger 24 version for me is number 4. 25 got the Bruins there. Very approachable. I love the smile. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 It's It looks CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 84 1 like, again, you could go talk to him. 2 For the reverse, I would pair the older 3 gentleman, number 2, with number 3. And the reason 4 is because it's got "hockey is for everyone" on number 5 3, and on the obverse it has the original inscription, 6 "Forget about what you can see and focus on what you 7 can do." 8 some action there. 9 which is great. So it's got both inscriptions. Still has And I believe these were girls, You can hardly tell with the masks 10 on, but it just still brings the action and shows that 11 he was a hockey player. 12 So that would be my first choice, 02 13 and 03. And then the second choice, if we went with a 14 younger version, it would be 04 and I went with R1. 15 DR. BROWN: 16 MR. GILL: 17 DR. BROWN: 18 Let's turn now to Peter. 19 MR. VAN ALFEN: 20 21 Chairman. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. This is Peter Van Alfen. I grew up skating, playing a little bit 22 of hockey, and over the course of my adulthood have 23 been an occasional hockey fan. 24 occasional, as I said, although in the time that I've 25 lived in New York City I have been caught up in the Probably not more than www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 85 1 excitement around the New York Rangers, who 2 incidentally are playing the Sabres, I see, on March 3 11th coming up, Dean, so we'll have to talk about that 4 a little bit later on. 5 But there is a lot of -- there's a lot 6 that I've learned in the course of looking through 7 this portfolio. 8 pointed out, I mean, the significance of this 9 portfolio and honoring Willie O'Ree, and this is an And as both Dean and Harcourt have 10 aspect of the NHL, which I frankly just wasn't aware 11 of, and so this really has been -- I've been very 12 grateful for the opportunity to learn about this. 13 In terms of the portfolio itself, I'm 14 not a huge fan of facing portraits. 15 often on coins, particularly, or medals, facing 16 portraits are -- there's a lot of risk in presenting a 17 facing portrait just simply because of the way that 18 the portrait can be rendered or the light can capture 19 and so forth. 20 I think that very And so I think that either profile 21 portraits or three-quarter profile portraits are 22 typically much, much more successful. 23 For that reason, and also just because 24 I think it is a really elegant and dignified portrait 25 of the man, I also favor obverse 2, the older Willie www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 86 1 O'Ree. Again, I think that this is a very elegant 2 portrait, and I also like the fact that the lines, as 3 a part of the emblem there, also sort of radiate. 4 There's sort of radiating lines coming from his 5 portrait, which I think also think adds to it. 6 In terms of the reverse, I also really 7 quite like reverse 1, just because it does embody a 8 lot of the excitement and speed of hockey itself. 9 I think that this perspective, too, from, you know, 10 And the goal right there is really quite interesting. 11 I'm not entirely sure how the 12 representation of the hockey players, aside from just 13 removing the emblem on the jersey, how these hockey 14 players could be made to denote younger players. 15 I, you know, certainly would support that if we go 16 forward with this design, as well as the change in the 17 inscription. 18 19 So again, my preferences here are obverse 2 and reverse 1. Thank you. 20 DR. BROWN: 21 Let's turn now to John Saunders. 22 MR. SAUNDERS: 23 But Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. John Saunders here. 24 I'd like to echo what's been said about 25 the opportunity to educate ourselves and to be part of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 87 1 telling this story. 2 to be told, and it's good that we're getting onto it. 3 I think it's something that needs In terms of the designs themselves, 4 when I first went through it, for obverse I liked 5 number 1 best and number 4 second best. 6 again when I read a little further that we're going to 7 try to pair an older obverse or reverse with a younger 8 on the other side, I liked design number 2. 9 think as an older Willie O'Ree, it's a better design, But then I just 10 a more dignified design than the 05 reverse that would 11 be otherwise paired. 12 So I'm in favor of the 02 obverse 13 design, though I'd almost like to go with 01 as a 14 reverse design. 15 it's -- you know, as I mentioned before, everybody -- 16 as Peter said, everybody's had trouble with obverse 17 facing designs, the Greeks in particular. 18 really -- it was a big thing they overcame and finally 19 made a coin that was an attractive obverse design 20 coin. 21 like 01, but I'm going to go with 02 as an obverse. 22 In terms of the reverse, I liked all I like that design a lot. I think They But our Mint seems to be able to do it. So I 23 four of the action ones. I think I liked a little bit 24 04 better than 01, just because its' kind of exciting 25 with the sparks coming out from the -- or the ice www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 88 1 coming out from the leg going into the floor. 2 like 01, too. 3 both of those designs three pointers and the 22 -- not 4 22. 5 A close second. 6 women on the players here as opposed to men players. 7 There's probably something about the uniform or 8 something, if I knew hockey better I could tell what 9 it was, but I don't. 10 But I So I think I'm probably going to give It's reverse 3, but it has 22, big letters on it. I also couldn't tell that they were But either way, I think all four designs are good. 11 I think this is an analysis that it's a 12 pretty good portfolio. I mean, all the things would 13 look good and they have been, you know, almost without 14 bad choices. So I'm going with 02 paired with 1 or 4. 15 DR. BROWN: 16 I, too, am going to go in a direction 17 of our liaisons, which is obverse 2, 02, and reverse 18 01. 19 I believe the Mint has the authority to make bronze 20 replicas, that -- and this is one of those cases that 21 I would like to really strongly encourage that this be 22 a high priority. 23 Thank you so much. And I'd like to also say that I am so happy that I also need, in the full transparency, 24 I have an affiliation with the National Football 25 League, and it was through them that I was introduced www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 89 1 to the National Hockey League. 2 National Football League, I would not have had my 3 souvenir puck from the all-star game in 1996. 4 means a lot to me about the fact that continued to 5 demonstrate that this is something that is achievable 6 for the lesser of us. 7 reinforce that. 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 So Ms. O'Ree, and Mr. Wooley, I know it's been a long journey. We are really and forever indebted for you for having continued this journey. At this point, I'm going to ask are there any additional comments from any of the members? MR. BERNSTEIN: If we end up going with obverse 2 and reverse 1, those have the same quote. MS. STAFFORD: Would we -- The reverse would have "hockey is for everyone." 20 MS. STAFFORD: 21 MR. BERNSTEIN: 22 DR. BROWN: 25 This is Art Bernstein just with a technical question. MR. BERNSTEIN: 24 So it We need to continue to 19 23 Where it not for the questions or comments? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Any additional Joe? MR. MENNA: United States Mint. Okay. This is Joe Menna for the I would not want to say anything www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 90 1 contrary to the family's interest, but for reverse 1, 2 changing the players as they are, not lobbying for the 3 design as it is, but the way the hockey sticks and the 4 figures all go together, the design intent of the 5 artist is really strongly expressed. 6 figures in the background to children, the two on the 7 left would be at three inches or almost illegible. 8 And to change the player on the right to a child, I 9 don't -- I just don't know if they would successfully 10 But changing the read as children. 11 I'm not trying to change your mind or 12 say it's a bad idea, but it might read better this way 13 visually on a three-inch gold medal. 14 And to address what Peter said, I fully 15 agree. Frontal portraits are tricky on coins. But on 16 Congressional gold medals, if you go all the way back 17 to Don Everhart's Dalai Lama obverse, which is fully 18 frontal, because of the relief -- because of the 19 additional relief height that we have available on 20 Congressional gold medals, frontal portraits are much 21 more doable. 22 This is just for the future reference of the 23 Committee. But I'm not lobbying for any design. Thank you. 24 DR. BROWN: Thank you so much. 25 Any additional comments from any of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 91 1 members? 2 3 Hearing none, let's score. ten minutes. Recess for ten minutes. 4 (Recess.) 5 DR. BROWN: 6 Lawrence Brown. 7 Weinman to hear the score. 8 9 Thank you so much. MR. WEINMAN: Once again, out of a possible 30 points, with the obverses first, obverse number 1 received 14. 11 and that is the high-scoring design. 12 received 6 points. 13 obverse 4 received 13 points. 14 number 2 with 26 points. Obverse number 2 received 26, Obverse 2A Obverse 3 received 4 points, and So once again, obverse Moving to the reverses. Reverse number 16 1 received 29 out of 30 points, making it the 17 high-scoring design. 18 Reverse 3 received 8 points. 19 and reverse 5 received 4 points. 20 21 Reverse 2 received 4 points. Reverse 4 received 13, So once again, the two high candidates were obverse number 2 and reverse number 1. 22 DR. BROWN: 23 Are there any motions? 24 MR. TUCKER: 25 This is Going to turn now back to Greg 10 15 We'll take Thank you so much, Greg. Dennis? This is Dennis Tucker. I would make a motion that we recommend to the Secretary www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 92 1 obverse 2 paired with reverse 1, with the inscription 2 changed on reverse 1 to "hockey is for everyone." 3 "Act of Congress 2022" changed to "Award of Congress 4 2022." 5 6 DR. BROWN: Is there a second for this motion? 7 MR. BERNSTEIN: 8 MS. SALMON: 9 DR. BROWN: 10 be the second. Art Bernstein seconds. Robin Salmon, second. We're going to have Robin I defer to Robin. 11 Any discussion on the motion? 12 DR. KOTLOWSKI: Are we going to then 13 leave the design as it is with the Boston Bruins in 14 the background and not substituting children? 15 support that. 16 17 18 19 And I would DR. BROWN: Okay. Any other questions MR. MORAN: Let me make one more on the motion? comment, Dr. Brown. 20 DR. BROWN: Please. 21 MR. MORAN: I would suggest the way to 22 finesse the children is to remove the logo off the 23 shirt and let the rest of it stand. 24 25 DR. BROWN: a motion on the floor. Hold on a second. So is that a friendly www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 We have CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 93 1 amendment that is accepted by the maker of the motion? 2 MR. TUCKER: I accept that amendment. 3 DR. BROWN: Okay. 4 MR. MENNA: Upon further -- this is Joe Very good. 5 Menna. And Ms. O'Ree, I didn't want to seem 6 presumptuous. 7 colleagues, removing the logo as Mike suggested and 8 perhaps changing the hair on the larger player on the 9 left, non-gender-specific, but maybe long hair, maybe Upon discussion with my Mint 10 something to indicate that it could be a female 11 player, keeping it the same size, I think hopefully 12 that would answer your concerns. 13 14 15 But the two smaller figures on the left, again, if there's way to modify them we will. DR. BROWN: Now, is this a discretion 16 we want to give to the Mint? 17 motion willing to accept it as a friendly amendment? 18 19 MR. TUCKER: Or is the maker of the I accept that as a friendly amendment. 20 DR. BROWN: Thank you. 21 MR. MORAN: He put the words in my 22 mouth since Joe can't have a voice on this thing. 23 DR. BROWN: 24 MS. WARREN: 25 Jennifer Warren. Understood. Excuse me. This is Remember, when you're speaking www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 94 1 please identify yourself for the record. 2 MR. MORAN: 3 MR. TUCKER: Thank you. Mike Moran. This is Dennis Tucker, 4 accepting that friendly amendment to modify the 5 designs as discussed. 6 7 MR. SAUNDERS: Just a comment on Dennis' -- 8 DR. BROWN: Identify yourself. 9 MR. SAUNDERS: John Saunders here. 10 Comment on Dennis' award of Congress. 11 better to me to say "An Award of Congress," because 12 it's -- you know, it means the same but it just seems 13 to be better than -- this is a thing that is an 14 object, so it's an award of Congress. 15 16 DR. BROWN: Okay. but there are some clarifications. 17 MS. WARREN: It sounds We have a question, Jennifer, please. This is Jennifer Warren. 18 I just realized there are a number of awards. They 19 don't happen by an act, necessarily, by Congress. 20 there is a distinction, and it's a significant one 21 with Congress. 22 switching it to an award. 23 committees, there's the science one and such, and 24 they're not necessarily by an act of Congress. 25 is an act of Congress, meaning it being given by the So So that's something to consider by There's ones from different www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 This CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 95 1 whole Congress rather than just a Congressional award. 2 3 So I'd just clarify that, but again, it's up to you. 4 DR. BROWN: 5 MR. WEINMAN: 6 And signed by the president. 7 MS. WARREN: 8 MR. WEINMAN: 9 Greg, if you could -- Correct. As opposed to a unilateral award. 10 DR. BROWN: So would that mean that you 11 accept that friendly amendment to revise that motion 12 that you have to -- 13 MR. TUCKER: Yes. This is Dennis 14 Tucker. I would accept that revision then and remove 15 the portion of the motion regarding the words "Act of 16 Congress." 17 DR. BROWN: 18 MR. SAUNDERS: 19 Okay. John? I think Dennis brought up an -- 20 DR. BROWN: Your name? 21 MR. SAUNDERS: -- interesting -- John 22 Saunders again. Brought up an interesting point. 23 agree for this medal, because we've got a lot more 24 Congressional medals coming in the future, but let's 25 investigate maybe saying "awarded as an act of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 96 1 Congress" so it gets both in there. 2 really for the future, not for this medal. 3 4 DR. BROWN: future. Okay. But this is That's for the That's not going to affect this motion. 5 Dean? 6 DR. KOTLOWSKI: I just want to be 7 careful that we don't put too much text into these 8 designs so that things are weighed down. 9 And the other thing is I really am very 10 strongly in favor of having this as "Act of Congress." 11 I like that on these Congressional medals. 12 very, very, very concerned that if we make a change 13 for this particular medal, it can send the wrong 14 message. 15 DR. BROWN: 16 MR. TUCKER: 17 And I am So Dennis? I'll restate the motion then. 18 DR. BROWN: 19 MR. TUCKER: Please do. I would move that the 20 Committee recommend to the Secretary of the Treasury, 21 obverse 2 paired with reverse 1, with the inscription 22 on the reverse changed to "hockey is for everyone." 23 Modification of the design to include removal of the 24 sports team logo to make it more generic, and possible 25 modification of the hair, at the discretion of the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 97 1 Mint's chief engraver and his team. 2 DR. BROWN: Do we have a second? 3 MR. MORAN: Second. 4 DR. BROWN: Mike Moran. 5 Any other comments with respect to the 6 Mike Moran. Second. motion on the table? 7 MS. O'REE: Am I allowed to ask a 9 DR. BROWN: Yes, ma'am. 10 MS. O'REE: Thank you. 8 question? Certainly. Sorry. I 11 wasn't sure if I was able to speak or not. 12 changes that you guys have proposed to the reverse 1. 13 In removing the logo from the players behind my 14 father, would the logo on him stay? 15 on his jersey. 16 MS. STAFFORD: Yes. I like the The Bruins logo That would be the 17 intention because it would be juxtaposing Willie O'Ree 18 himself with the youth that he mentors in the 19 background. 20 MS. O'REE: And that was exactly our 21 intent in really liking that reverse design is -- and 22 wanting to make those changes, is that it encompasses 23 the work that he has done after, and really giving 24 opportunity to younger kids, which is why we proposed 25 some of those changes. So totally agree. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 98 1 guys so much. 2 MS. STAFFORD: 3 MR. MENNA: Thank your father for what 5 MS. O'REE: I will let him know. 6 DR. BROWN: Any other final comments or 4 7 he did. questions regarding the motion? 8 9 Thank you. Hearing none, all those in favor, "aye." 10 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 11 DR. BROWN: 12 Aye. Opposed, "nay." Any abstentions? 13 It sounds like we have a unanimous 14 agreement. So let the record show that we have a 15 unanimous agreement on the motion by Dennis, and the 16 second by Mike Moran. Okay. Very good. 17 Are there any further motions? 18 Since it seems to me that all 19 discussion has concluded, then I would like to take 20 this moment to thank Ms. O'Ree and Mr. Wooley, because 21 we really appreciate your fortitude, your industry, to 22 bring into use another opportunity to hear the 23 retelling of the story of Mr. O'Ree. 24 for attending today. 25 So we thank you As this is the last order of business www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 CCAC Meeting February 28, 2023 Page 99 1 for today's session, I would like to thank the CCAC 2 members, the Mint staff, our liaisons, and the 3 participating public for their attendance today. 4 Committee will now stand in recess until 9:00 am 5 tomorrow morning, when we will reconvene and review 6 the candidate designs for the 2024 American Women 7 Quarters. 8 9 MS. WARREN: Warren. 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