The full text on this page is automatically extracted from the file linked above and may contain errors and inconsistencies.
Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 1 1 CITIZENS COINAGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE PUBLIC MEETING 2 3 4 5 Moderated by Peter van Alfen 6 Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7 12:02 p.m. 8 9 10 801 9th Street, Northwest 11 Washington, D.C. 20220 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Reported by: Allison Diercks 21 JOB NO.: 6417104 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 List of Attendees: 3 Peter van Alfen, Chairman, Member Specially Qualified 4 as a Numismatic Curator 5 Dr. Christopher Capozzola, Member Specially Qualified 6 in American History 7 John Saunders, Recommended by the House Minority 8 Leader 9 Michael Moran, Recommended by the Senate Majority 10 Leader 11 Donald Scarinci, Recommended by the Senate Minority 12 Leader 13 Dennis Tucker, Member Specially Qualified in 14 Numismatics 15 Kellen Hoard, Representing the General Public 16 Annelisa Purdie, Representing the General Public 17 Ventris Gibson, Director of the United States Mint 18 April Stafford, Chief, Office of Design Management 19 Megan Sullivan, Senior Design Specialist 20 Roger Vasquez, Senior Design Manager 21 Russell Evans, Design Manager, Program Manager 22 Boneza Hanchock, Design Manager www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 3 1 A P P E A R A N C E S (Cont'd) 2 List of Attendees (cont'd): 3 Sukrita Baijal, Design Manager 4 Joseph Menna, Chief Engraver 5 Michael Costello, Manager of Design and Engraving 6 Jennifer Warren, Director of Legislative and 7 Intergovernmental Affairs and Liaison to the CCAC 8 Greg Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the 9 CCAC 10 Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, 11 Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 12 Michael White, Office of Corporate Communication 13 Anastasios Kamoutsas, Deputy Chief of Staff, Executive 14 Office of the Governor of Florida 15 Thomas W. "Wes" Hambrick, Director, Office of State 16 and Federal Relations, Office of the Governor of Texas 17 Andrew Meade McGee, Curator of Computing, Smithsonian 18 Institution National Air & Space Museum 19 Paul Gilkes, Senior Editor, Coin World 20 Mike Unser, Founder and Editor, CoinNews Media Group 21 Dufour Woolfley, Sales and Marketing 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 4 1 C O N T E N T S 2 PAGE 3 Swearing in of Annelisa Purdie 4 Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for 5 The 2025 American Innovation $1 coin honoring 6 innovation in Florida 7 Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for 8 The 2025 American Innovation $1 coin honoring 9 innovation in Florida 13 19 62 10 Review and Discussion of Design Options for 11 2026 Semiquincentennial One Cent and Five 12 Cent Coins 107 13 Discussion of Future Themes for Platinum Coins 128 14 Discussion of 2026 Best of the Mint Historical 15 Coins 147 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Good afternoon. I call 3 to order this meeting of the Citizens Coinage Advisory 4 Committee for Tuesday, February 27, 2024. 5 12:02 p.m. 6 The time is I would like to remind members that we 7 are participating via video conference and so please 8 do mute your phone or microphone when not talking, and 9 to announce your name when you speak, for the 10 transcript, as well as for the public who are 11 listening. 12 Before we begin, I want to introduce 13 the members of the Committee, so please respond 14 "present" when I call your name. 15 16 17 18 Dr. Harcourt Fuller, Recommended by the Speaker of the House. Dr. Christopher Capozzola, the member Specially Qualified in American History. 19 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 22 Present. John Saunders, Recommended by the House Minority Leader. MR. SAUNDERS: Present. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 6 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Michael Moran, Recommended by the Senate Majority Leader. 3 MR. MORAN: Present. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Donald Scarinci, 5 Recommended by the Senate Minority Leader. 6 see you but I don't hear you. 7 present. Donald, I I'll mark you as 8 MR. SCARINCI: Present. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: Dennis Tucker, the 10 member Specially Qualified in Numismatics. 11 MR. TUCKER: 12 THE CHAIRMAN: 13 Dennis Tucker, present. Representing the General Public. 14 MR. HOARD: 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 Kellen Hoard, Present. Annelisa Purdie, Representing the General Public. 17 MS. PURDIE: 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Present. And I am Peter van 19 Alfen, the member Specially Qualified as a Numismatic 20 Curator and the new Chairperson of the CCAC. 21 So I believe we do have a quorum. 22 MR. WEINMAN: You do, yes. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 7 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: The agenda for today's public meeting includes: 3 The approval of minutes and letters to 4 the Secretary from the November 28, 2023, public 5 meeting; 6 The swearing in of our new member of 7 the CCAC - Annelisa Purdie, who is one of the three 8 members appointed to represent the interest of the 9 general public; 10 The review and discussion of the 11 candidate designs for the 2025 American Innovation $1 12 coin honoring innovation in Florida; 13 The review and discussion of candidate 14 designs for the 2025 American Innovation $1 coin 15 honoring innovation in Texas; 16 The review and discussion of design 17 options for the 2026 Semiquincentennial One Cent and 18 Five Cent Coins; and 19 20 Discussion of Future Themes for Platinum Proof Coins. 21 22 Now, before we begin our proceedings, I will ask the Mint Liaison to the CCAC, Ms. Jennifer www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 8 1 Warren, if we are aware of any members of the press 2 who are remotely watching the public meeting? 3 MS. WARREN: Yes, this is Jennifer 4 Warren. Paul Gilkes, Coin World Senior Editor, is on 5 the call, as well as Mike Unser, Founder and Editor of 6 CoinNews Media Group. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 Jen, and welcome, gentlemen. 9 All right. Thank you, For the record, I would also like to 10 confirm that the following Mint staff are in 11 attendance today. 12 I have called your name. So please indicate "present" after 13 Director Ventris Gibson, US Mint. 14 MS. GIBSON: 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 Present. Thank you. Thank you. April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design Management. 17 MS. STAFFORD: Present. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Megan Sullivan, Senior 19 Design Specialist. 20 MS. SULLIVAN: Present. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: Roger Vasquez, Senior 22 Design Manager. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 9 1 MR. VASQUEZ: 2 THE CHAIRMAN: 3 Present. Russell Evans, Design Manager. 4 MR. EVANS: 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Boneza Hanchock, Design 7 MS. HANCHOCK: Present. 8 THE CHAIRMAN: Sukrita Baijal, Design 6 9 Present. Manager. Manager. 10 MS. BAIJAL: 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 Present. Engraver. 13 MR. MENNA: 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 Joseph Menna, Chief Present. Michael Costello, Manger of Design and Engraving. 16 MR. COSTELLO: Present. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: Jennifer Warren, 18 Director of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs 19 and Liaison to the CCAC. 20 MS. WARREN: Present. And also, just 21 to point out, sir, the last agenda item is also the 22 Best of the Mint that we'll be talking about, as well. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 10 1 Forgot that on the list. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: 3 MS. WARREN: 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 MR. WEINMAN: 10 Greg Good afternoon, Peter. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Brendan Tate, Senior Government Affairs Specialist, Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs. 11 MR. TATE: 12 THE CHAIRMAN: 13 No problem. Present. 8 9 That was my fault. Weinman, Senior Legal Counsel and Counsel to the CCAC. 6 7 Thank you very much. Present. Thank you. And finally, Michael White, Office of Corporate Communication. 14 All right. And hopefully I've got 15 everybody. 16 that we will be joined later in the meeting by 17 liaisons for the various programs we are reviewing 18 today. 19 And finally, I want to note for the record And for the 2025 American Innovation $1 20 coin honoring innovation in Florida, we will have 21 Anastasios Kamoutsas, who is Deputy Chief of 22 Staff of the Executive Office of the Governor of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 11 1 Florida. 2 For the 2025 American Innovation $1 3 coin honoring Texas, we will have Thomas W. "Wes" 4 Hambrick, who is Director of the Office of State- 5 Federal Relations, in the Office of the Governor of 6 Texas. 7 And in addition, we will have Andrew 8 Meade McGee, who is Curator of Computing at the 9 National Air and Space Museum, Smithsonian 10 Institution, who will be joining us for both the 11 Florida and Texas portfolios, as the subject-matter 12 expert. 13 So welcome to all of you, and we do 14 look forward to hearing from you, your thoughts on 15 these portfolios, and any preferences that you might 16 have. 17 So I'd like to begin with the Mint. 18 Are there any other issues that need to be addressed 19 before we begin? 20 MS. WARREN: 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 No, sir. Thank you very much. So the first order of business that we have today then is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 12 1 for this Committee is the review and approval of the 2 CCAC minutes and letters to the Secretary of the 3 Treasury from our public meeting on November 28, 2023. 4 5 Are there any comments on these documents? 6 7 All right. motion to approve the minutes and the letters? 8 9 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Chris Capozzola, so moved. 10 11 Hearing none, is there a THE CHAIRMAN: Chris. All right. Thank you, Is there a second? 12 MR. TUCKER: 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Dennis Tucker, second. Thank you, Dennis. All 14 right. So all those in favor, except for Ms. Purdie, 15 who is abstaining from this vote, please signify by 16 saying aye. 17 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Aye. Thank you very much. 19 Are there any objections to the motion? 20 Hearing none, without objection, the minutes and the 21 letters are approved. 22 All right. Thank you very much. Next, very happy moment, will be the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 13 1 introduction and swearing in of Annelisa Purdie. 2 Ms. Purdie was appointed effective January 30, 2024, 3 just over a month ago, or almost a month ago, as one 4 of three members to represent the interests of the 5 general public. 6 Ms. Purdie, who is a historian and 7 librarian by training, is a third-generation 8 collector, whose interest in the hobby comes from both 9 her mother and grandmother. In the past Ms. Purdie 10 has used United States Mint education materials to 11 develop programs for children at the New York Public 12 Library and at after-school programs with the 13 Salvation Army. 14 strong knowledge base and enthusiasm, which I can 15 attest to, in our nations coins and medals. 16 Ms. Purdie brings to the Committee a The Director Ventris Gibson, the 17 Director of the United States Mint, will administer 18 the oath of office to Annelisa Purdie, and I now turn 19 it over to Director Gibson. 20 MS. GIBSON: Thank you. And at this 21 time it is my honor, Annelisa Purdie, to administer 22 that oath of office, and to thank you for your strong www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 14 1 personal and family history with numismatics and your 2 work with sharing the interest of our coins with 3 youth. 4 So Ms. Purdie, in just a moment I will 5 administer that oath. And with this oath, you will 6 assume the position on the CCAC, as a member 7 representing the interests of the general public. 8 doing so, you will join a very select and prestigious 9 group of individuals invested in U.S. coins and 10 medals. 11 right hand and repeat after me? 12 solemnly swear," I'd like for you to pause and say 13 "I," your name, "do solemnly swear." 14 I, your name, so solemnly swear. 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 By So would you be so kind as to raise your MS. PURDIE: When I say, "I do Please begin. I, Annelisa J. Purdie, do solemnly swear -MS. GIBSON: -- that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States. MS. PURDIE: -- that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States -MS. GIBSON: -- against all enemies, foreign and domestic. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 15 1 2 MS. PURDIE: foreign and domestic. 3 4 MS. GIBSON: -- and allegiance to the MS. PURDIE: -- and allegiance to the MS. GIBSON: -- that I take this obligation freely -- 13 14 -- that I will bear true same. 11 12 MS. PURDIE: same. 9 10 That I will bear truth faith -- 7 8 MS. GIBSON: faith -- 5 6 -- against all enemies, MS. PURDIE: -- that I take this obligation freely -- 15 MS. GIBSON: -- without any mental MS. PURDIE: Without any mental 19 MS. GIBSON: -- or purpose of evasion. 20 MS. PURDIE: -- or purpose of evasion. 21 MS. GIBSON: And that I will -- 22 MS. PURDIE: And that I will -- 16 reservation -- 17 18 reservation -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 16 1 2 -- well and faithfully MS. GIBSON: -- the duties of the office I'm about to enter -- 7 8 MS. PURDIE: discharge -- 5 6 -- well and faithfully discharge -- 3 4 MS. GIBSON: MS. PURDIE: The duties of the office I'm about to enter -- 9 MS. GIBSON: -- so help me God. 10 MS. PURDIE: -- so help me God. 11 MS. GIBSON: Ms. Purdie, 12 congratulations and welcome to the Citizens Coinage 13 Advisory Committee. 14 you. We look forward to working with I now invite you to say a few words. 15 MS. PURDIE: Thank you very much. It's 16 an honor to be here on the Committee, among like- 17 minded individuals, who also share the same passion 18 and love and I hope to continue to serve well in this 19 capacity. 20 Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Purdie, please allow 21 me to add my heartiest congratulations and to welcome 22 you to the CCAC on behalf of the rest of us. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 17 1 Now, before we get back to our agenda, 2 I'd like to make a few personal remarks. 3 term as Chairperson of the CCAC following that of 4 Dr. Lawrence Brown, who did an outstanding job 5 chairing this Committee, a sentiment I know is shared 6 by my colleagues. 7 follow, not just for his excellent leadership, but for 8 his generous heart and mind. 9 I began my He is to be sure, a hard act to At a CCAC meeting later this year we 10 will have a chance to thank him more fully for his 11 contributions to our Committee, and to the field in 12 general, including his initiatives to bring people 13 from more unrepresented communities into numismatics. 14 So I've now served on the CCAC for three years. 15 has been a joy and a privilege, one of the best 16 experiences I've had yet, and not just for the 17 interesting and important work that we do, but for the 18 people I've met. 19 It By design, the CCAC brings together an 20 eclectic mix of 11 volunteers from different 21 backgrounds and different parts of the U.S., and ask 22 that we work together for the benefit of the entire www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 18 1 country. 2 another, of course, but are respectful and 3 constructive, and along the way many of us have 4 become, I would dare say, friends. 5 And we do that, not always agreeing with one But at the same time we work alongside 6 remarkable and wonderful staff of the U.S. Mint, who 7 juggle many interests, who generate the designs we 8 review, and who ultimately strike them into coins and 9 medals. The Mint staff never fails to impress with 10 their absolute professionalism and relentless pursuit, 11 to create the best that can be, as demonstrated by the 12 many spectacular recent issues coming out of the Mint. 13 I have no doubt that those of the 14 future will look upon this period as one of the best 15 in the Mint's history. 16 Now, my experience working with my CCAC 17 colleagues and the staff of the Mint has given me a 18 great deal of hope for the future, and this is hope in 19 all large caps, like those on Reverend Dr. Pauli 20 Murray Quarter, that has just entered circulation, 21 hope that we as a nation will continue to do great 22 things, hope that divisions will be mended, but more www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 19 1 specifically in our case here, hope that all of us, 2 the staff of the Mint, the AIP artists, the 3 stakeholders, the CCAC, along with the members of the 4 CFA, will help bring to light the most stunning and 5 prideworthy coins and medals the American public has 6 yet seen. 7 Starting today and over the course of 8 this year, we on the CCAC will be reviewing, among 9 other things, the candidate designs for the coins 10 celebrating upcoming Semiquincentennial in 2026, the 11 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, 12 and the formation of the United States of America. 13 I am really excited about what lies 14 ahead. 15 in-a-lifetime, opportunity to celebrate a major 16 national milestone with a full suite of circulating 17 coins and other special issues, and to show our fellow 18 citizens and the world what we can do, all of us, 19 together. 20 Ours is a once-in-a-generation, if not once- So let's get started. Moving on to our 21 first portfolio to be reviewed today, this is the 22 reverse candidate designs for the 2025 American www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 20 1 Innovation $1 coin honoring innovation in Florida. 2 The American Innovation $1 Program was authorized by 3 Public Law 115-197. 4 Office of Design Management, and Russ Evans, Design 5 Manager for the program, will present the candidate 6 designs for the 2025 American Innovation $1 coin 7 honoring innovation in Florida. 8 9 April Stafford, Chief of the MS. STAFFORD: So April, all yours. Thank you. Some background on the American Innovation $1 Coin Program. 10 It is Public Law 115-197, the American Innovation 11 Dollar Coin Act, that requires the Secretary of the 12 Treasury to mint and issue dollar coins with a reverse 13 design, honoring innovation or innovators from each of 14 the 50 states, the territories and the District of 15 Columbia. 16 In accordance with the Act, the U.S. 17 Mint worked with the governors of each state or 18 representatives of the governor, to be honored in 19 2025, to develop concepts for the coins. 20 concepts have been approved by the Secretary of the 21 Treasury. 22 These The first two states recognized in www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 21 1 2025, Arkansas and Michigan, were presented at the 2 CCAC's November 2023 CCAC and CFA meetings. 3 remaining 2025 states, Florida and Texas, are 4 presented here today. 5 The The governors were asked to propose 6 between one to three design concepts, and then artists 7 would create designs based on the concepts that were 8 approved by the Secretary. 9 submitted one design concept for consideration, and 10 Both Florida and Texas they were both approved by Secretary Yellen. 11 The Mint collaborated with the liaisons 12 and experts from the states in developing the 13 following candidate designs. 14 this program will remain the same as in previous 15 years, and will contain a unique gear-shaped privy 16 mark that will distinguish it from previous years' 17 issuances. 18 The obverse design for So we'll start with Florida, and we 19 have with us, as you mentioned, Mr. Chairman, 20 Anastasios Kamoutsas, who is the Deputy Chief of Staff 21 in the Florida Executive Office of the Governor, and I 22 believe we also have Andrew Meade McGee, curator at www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 22 1 the National Air and Space Museum. 2 questions, we can go to these representatives. 3 ask Mr. Kamoutsas to say a few words in just one 4 minute. 5 So if you have any I'll But first I will tell you that 6 Florida's concept is the Space Shuttle program. And 7 just a little bit of background here, the Space 8 Shuttle or Space Transition System was the world's 9 first reusable spacecraft. Prior to use of the Space 10 Shuttle, spacecraft were designed to be single-mission 11 only. 12 cargo and could transport up to eight crewmembers, as 13 compared to the three crewmembers in Apollo capsules. The Space Shuttle orbiter held a much larger 14 NASA Space Shuttle fleet first launched 15 on April 12, 1981, and completed 30 years of missions, 16 each launched from the Kennedy Space Center's Launch 17 Complex 39. 18 designs for your consideration. So we have a total of nine candidate 19 Before presenting those, let me ask 20 Mr. Kamoutsas to say a few words. 21 Mr. Kamoutsas? 22 MR. KAMOUTSAS: Are you will us, I am. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Good afternoon. Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 23 1 How is everybody today? 2 MS. STAFFORD: 3 MR. KAMOUTSAS: Great, thank you. Wonderful, wonderful. 4 Well, I will be brief. 5 legislative session here in Florida, and so we are two 6 weeks away from the end of it, and we are quite busy, 7 but I wanted to make sure I had the opportunity to say 8 a few words of these great designs. 9 It is week eight of our Florida is an undisputed leader in 10 commercial space economic activity and exploration. 11 In fiscal year '22-'23 Florida experienced 62 launches 12 and during the '23 calendar year, the state had 13 already surpassed that record on track for more than 14 80 launches by the end of the year, base Florida. 15 of November of 2023, estimated about 1.61 million 16 pounds of payload that has been sent into orbit from 17 Florida, underscoring the economic significance of 18 that increased launch activity. 19 As It was certainly great to see all the 20 designs and provide feedback, and so, you know, I 21 stand ready to, you know, re-emphasize the position 22 we've previously taken on the designs that were www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 24 1 created. 2 3 Thank you so much for your time this morning. 4 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. And to share 5 with the Committee, it is our understanding, and 6 please correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Kamoutsas, the 7 governor's office did not offer a specific preference 8 but they did ask that Design 8 not be selected. 9 again, if you have any questions, we can delve into 10 So, that. 11 So we'll move through the candidate 12 designs. We start with Design 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 13 Again, not a stated preference, but actually the 14 governor's office did ask that this not be a selected 15 design. 16 recommendation. And finally, Design 9, which was the CFA's 17 Mr. Chairman? 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, April, and 19 thank you, Mr. Kamoutsas. Are there any technical or 20 legal questions from the Committee about this program 21 or these designs for the 2025's American Innovation $1 22 Coin honoring innovation in Florida, before we begin www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 25 1 our general discussion? 2 Hearing none, seeing none, let us begin 3 our consideration. 4 to please try to keep your comments to five minutes or 5 less, and please do identify yourself prior to 6 speaking. 7 questions or comments on any program, we will consider 8 them at the ends of the comments of each of the CCAC 9 members. 10 So I would like to remind members Additionally, if any members have any So let's begin with Dr. Harcourt 11 Fuller, if he's joined us. 12 MS. WARREN: 13 Warren. 14 15 16 No, he hasn't -Sorry, this is Jennifer He will not be attending, sir. THE CHAIRMAN: much. Okay. Thank you very Dr. Christopher Capozzola. DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right. This is 17 Chris Capozzola, and I just want to say thank you to 18 the designers and thank you to Florida for giving us 19 the Space Shuttle, and we look forward to 20 commemorating this innovation. 21 22 As I was sort of looking through these designs, I was guided by a couple of things, which www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 26 1 also informed by our conversation about Arkansas and 2 Michigan in our previous meeting, and ways in which 3 it's important to, whenever possible, convey the 4 specificity of the state and its contribution, and the 5 relationship of this innovation to that state's 6 history and it's population and its culture. 7 I also am cognizant that we want things 8 to be recognizable to people who are collecting or, 9 you know, sort of encountering these coins, and that 10 it would give a chance to, you know, spark a 11 conversation but maybe doesn't have to tell the entire 12 story on one side of one coin. 13 I think if I had a preference, I think 14 I'm torn largely between Number 1 and Number 9, and I 15 can say a little bit about each, that on Number 1, I 16 thought that this had -- it was very recognizable; it 17 had great motion; it had a nice visual balance; it 18 conveys obviously, Florida; and I might even suggest 19 that those trees could be made a little bit more 20 Florida specific, maybe a palm tree or so. 21 would certainly, you know, sort of remind people of 22 the past, present and future of the Space Shuttle www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And it Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 27 1 program. So I thought that one was very strong. 2 I also thought that Number 9, if we can 3 go all the way down there, also was strong. 4 certainly conveys an iconic image of the Space 5 Shuttle, not in space, but actually the Space Shuttle 6 in Florida, you know, during takeoff, right, in ways 7 that would be recognizable to many. 8 9 It I didn't, frankly, love the smoke clouds, you know, artistically, and there is an 10 opportunity here, I think, to depict some landscape 11 either/or some buildings from the Kennedy Space 12 Center, around it. 13 obviously be talking about NASA-themed fonts, for both 14 of these quarters today. 15 also be very strong. 16 17 And I thought that one would I think maybe with that, I'll just stop there. 18 19 I appreciated the font and we'll THE CHAIRMAN: your comments. 20 Thank you very much for Mike Moran. MR. MORAN: 21 Mike Moran. 22 on his choice on Number 9. Thank you, Peter. This is I'm going to basically differ with Chris I did like the exhaust www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 28 1 from the rocket. 2 added to a sense of motion, when you view this design. 3 I thought it framed it nicely, and When you compare it to Number 2, which 4 is similar, I think this is the superior design. 5 Space Shuttle is very recognizable here and it's going 6 to get my vote. 7 I'm done. 8 THE CHAIRMAN: 9 10 Mike. The Thank you very much, Donald Scarinci. MR. SCARINCI: Except for the -- I 11 happen to like Number 3. 12 it's -- there is motion there. 13 three big stars, you know, which I'm sure somebody is 14 going to interpret as meaning something that they 15 clearly don't mean, but, you know, I think I could 16 also see Number 1, very clear, very clear Space 17 Shuttle, but that's the Space Shuttle landing, and I 18 don't believe the Space Shuttle lands in Florida. 19 think it lands at Edwards. 20 21 22 MR. MCGEE: in Florida sometimes. You know, it's clear, I don't care for the I The Space Shuttle does land It also landed at Edwards. MR. SCARINCI: It does? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 29 1 MR. MCGEE: Yes. Yes. In fact, I've 2 got a great photo I happen to have in front of me now 3 of the Space Shuttle landing in Kennedy Space Center 4 in 2011, the last landing of Discovery. 5 6 MS. WARREN: Is this Andrew McGee speaking? 7 MR. MCGEE: 8 for not introducing myself. 9 Meade McGee. Yes. Hello, my apologies Hello. My name is Andrew I'm Curator of Computing at the 10 Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space 11 Museum, and I work for all of you. 12 computer -- general historian and technology and space 13 life. 14 MR. SCARINCI: I'm the federal -- Thank you, Andrew. But, 15 you know, I think I have to thank Florida for giving 16 us a space coin. 17 always popular and, you know, we haven't had a 18 shuttle. 19 one in one of the state quarters, but that was a long 20 time ago. 21 22 You know, space coins, you know, I think there was this minor depiction of So I think, you know, I think either 1 or 3. I understand what you're saying, Mike, about www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 30 1 the smoke, you know, of the liftoff, and these are all 2 -- that's certainly a nice design. 3 that's if we were -- for people who want that takeoff 4 candidate, Number 9 is superior to Number 2 in my 5 opinion, but, you know, I like the angles of 7 and 6. 6 I agree with the governor's office to eliminate Number 7 8. 8 9 I agree with you, You know, so I think you can't go wrong really with any of these designs. They're all, you 10 know, they're all clear. 11 Space Shuttle coin and a nice tribute, and a kind of 12 really excellent tribute to Florida, well done to the 13 governor's office. 14 15 They're nice. THE CHAIRMAN: It's a nice Thank you, Donald. Dennis Tucker. 16 MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 17 This is Dennis Tucker, and I really love Design Number 18 9. 19 action. 20 object to it, and will not be giving it my support. 21 22 It has action; it has very dramatic explosive But having said that, I must tell you why I The Mint recently publicized the Alabama Innovation Dollar, which will be coming out www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 31 1 this year. I'll hold up a photo or a printout of it. 2 And if you can't see this now, you can see it on the 3 website usmint.gov. 4 this motif that we see for Florida Number 9. 5 the dramatic depiction of the exhaust at bottom of the 6 vehicle blasting into space. 7 a Saturn V rocket. 8 9 It's a very similar design to It has In Alabama's case it was So I love the design. I love the way it looks, but I think it's just too similar to 10 Alabama. Those of us who were on the Committee in 11 June of 2022 will remember reviewing Alabama's design 12 candidates. 13 potential points in our ranking, and it obviously is 14 the one that ended up being selected by the Secretary 15 of the Treasury. 16 very nice design. We scored that design 30 out of 33 So there's no question that it's a 17 But for that reason, that similarity, 18 and almost repetition of the basic motif, I will not 19 be voting for it, but I think the Florida Design 2 20 offers a similar look at the experience of a Space 21 Shuttle launch, with perhaps an even more dramatic 22 perspective, and it has the added advantage of having www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 32 1 an explanation of what we're seeing on the upper left 2 arc, where it says "The Space Shuttle Program," which 3 is something that is also lacking in Reverse 9. 4 5 So my support is for Reverse 2. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: Dennis, thank you very 7 much, and also thank you for bringing to our attention 8 the previously selected Alabama design. 9 Saunders. 10 MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you. John This is John 11 Saunders. 12 Annelisa to the Committee, before I begin the -- but 13 it's nice having you here. 14 My first thing is I'd like to welcome You know, it's not very often that I 15 like the same three that everybody else does. I like 16 -- well, one exception. 17 best, as an artistic design. 18 would look very good on a coin. 19 Shuttle is clear on paper, but if you have that in 20 medal, even though it is a dollar-size coin, it's not 21 going to show up as well. 22 I'd really like it artistically if it was a portrait. I like Number 2 probably I just don't think it I think the Space So I'm not in favor, but www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 33 1 I also want to thank Dennis for 2 bringing up what he just did. 3 an important point, and I wasn't aware of it. 4 Dennis, thank you very much. 5 I think that's actually So, I went back and forth between 3 and 1, 6 which is my first preference. 7 think I like 3 a little bit better, just because it 8 shows you're in space and it's dramatic. 9 for the same reason Mike did, the clouds show drama, 10 it shows motion. I like them both. I I do like 9 It's clearly the Space Shuttle. 11 So I like all three of those, 1, 3 and 12 9, and I'm going to listen to what everybody else has 13 to say before I make my final choice as to which one I 14 like best. 15 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Nicely done. Kellen Hoard. 17 MR. HOARD: Thank you. This is Kellen 18 Hoard. The three kind of principles I was looking at 19 when I looked at the designs which appealed to me 20 most, were I wanted to, A, center the shuttle in the 21 image, or not necessarily in the physical center, but 22 actually have it be the focus point. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Also, to have it Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 34 1 in motion, you know, I feel like ones where there's 2 not that motion happening, are significantly more 3 boring. 4 me ruled out 1. 5 appeal of the Space Shuttle is that it goes to space, 6 and that's something that is compelling to see at a 7 coin. And I prefer to have it in space, which for 8 9 I thought that, you know, part of the And so that kind of ruled out 1 for me. So I really landed on also having 9 as a preference. 10 I actually don't mind that the clouds are framing. 11 think it's kind of nice. 12 the shuttle well. 13 I think it, again, centers It's in space. I also liked 6 and 7, as well. Both of 14 those, you know, had their merits for me, and I'll 15 write those fairly highly, 6 and 7. 16 17 I But, you know, ones like 5, where there isn't that motion, again, didn't speak to me. 18 I also pushed back on 2, being a 19 selection. For me, it's like I'm -- I'm looking at 20 the thing from that vantage point. 21 incinerated a little bit by the jets from the rocket. 22 I'm not sure that's -- you know, that's an angle of I'm also being www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 35 1 maybe like -- to my personal wellbeing, I find looking 2 at a rocket from that vantage point -- I also think 3 it's a little difficult to see the shuttle. 4 as, you know, a coin might be kind of small, hard to 5 actually see that, is the rocket, actually dominated 6 by the exhaust, and the jet engine. 7 8 It's not So again, that leads me back to 9 as my first choice, and 6 and 7 as secondary ones. 9 Thanks much. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: 11 very much, Kellen. 12 give us your comment? 13 All right. Thank you And Annelisa, would you like to MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 14 I also want to recognize the excellent work done on 15 each of these designs. 16 and while looking at each of them, I was also thinking 17 about how well these would translate to the format of 18 a coin. 19 The details are so intricate One thing that I did like about Design 20 Number 2, which I was drawn to, is that it does give 21 that perspective of someone who is on the ground and 22 watching the launch, but at the same time, as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 36 1 mentioned, it's the one -- closer is a concern there, 2 but I did like the design of the clouds and the way 3 that they frame the Space Shuttle as it's going off. 4 I was not fond of the Space Shuttle as 5 it's going off. I was not fond of Number 5, mainly 6 because of the direction of the shuttle. 7 the way that Florida is highlighted on the lower 8 right, so one can be reminded of where all of this 9 innovation originates, but something about the I do like 10 orientation of that shuttle going down, just doesn't 11 sit too well with me. 12 I was also drawn to Number 9 as my 13 favorite. I think the symmetry works well, the 14 framing of the clouds work well with the stars. 15 clearly see what it is, what this is about, and it's 16 from a safe perspective, but my final decision would 17 be with Number 1, as well. 18 particular design ties in all of the important 19 elements of the Space Shuttle, the location, the fact 20 that this is the program that we're highlighting, and 21 everything fits, as well, in a way that's not 22 confusing to the viewer. You I think that this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 37 1 I also liked Number 4, Design Number 4, 2 the intricacy, but I'm still not sure that that would 3 fit well on a coin, for someone who was looking at it 4 for the first time. 5 could be condensed a bit, but that's definitely 6 something to return to for later, because these 7 details are excellent. On a later model, possibly, if it 8 Thank you. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: 10 11 All right. Thank you And finally, my comments. I have to very much, Annelisa. 12 say, I've always found the Space Shuttle to be one of 13 the most impressive vehicles that anybody in this 14 country, or anybody else, truly has ever produced. 15 I've had a chance to see the Space Shuttles. 16 the Space Shuttle both at the National Air and Space 17 Museum in Washington, but also here in New York City 18 at the Intrepid Museum, and it really is astounding to 19 me how impressively large and just impressive these 20 vehicles are overall. 21 22 There's And I really do want to commend the artists on a fantastic portfolio. I think all of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 38 1 these designs really are quite just spectacular. 2 I do have a preference for Number 9. 3 do like the way that the smoke frames the Space 4 Shuttle. 5 with the takeoff, but as Dennis pointed out, this is 6 rather similar to a design which we selected earlier. 7 I like the dynamism and the power associated So as my backup, I will select Number 8 2, which also has a lot of that same dynamism and 9 power associated with the takeoff of the Space 10 11 12 13 14 I Shuttle. All right. So are there any additional comments or motions from the members at this time? MS. STAFFORD: had to turn my light back on. Chairman, I'm sorry, I I apologize. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: Sure. 16 MS. STAFFORD: I just wanted to share, 17 in the event, after you score, perhaps before, Design 18 9, which was the recommendation of the CFA, they did 19 also add that -- they questioned the stylized 20 depiction of the stars in the background, and so 21 should this be the CCAC's recommendation, I just 22 wanted to introduce that, because we would appreciate www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 39 1 the Committee's feedback on that. 2 have Joe Menna and Mike Costello here, if you wanted 3 to engage on that point. 4 And, of course, we And also, if you find it helpful, I 5 believe one of my team members could share their 6 screen and show the Alabama design, if you feel like 7 that would be helpful. 8 holding it up to the camera, but perhaps we can do a 9 better job of that. 10 11 I appreciate Mr. Tucker Would you like that? THE CHAIRMAN: I would, actually. think it would be very useful. 12 MS. STAFFORD: Okay. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. 14 MS. STAFFORD: Great. 15 think you were sharing your screen. 16 share that? 17 18 19 I So Megan, I Are you able to And while Mehan is -MS. SULLIVAN: Give me a minute to pull MS. STAFFORD: Sure. it up. While Megan is 20 calling up that design, I'll just share -- you could 21 tell by Mr. Tucker sharing it on the camera, that they 22 do have similarities. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 40 1 The Alabama design specifically honors 2 the -- apologies. 3 brain. It just completely went out of my 4 MR. HOARD: Saturn V. 5 MS. STAFFORD: The Saturn V rocket. 6 Thank you. 7 in the back, and thank you, appreciate that. 8 you have it. 9 being launched. 10 The Saturn V rocket, and it has the moon So there So it has the similarities of something It shows the clouds, as well. THE CHAIRMAN: That's wonderful, thank 12 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you, Megan. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, thank you, Megan. 11 you. 14 Thank you, April. 15 Costello, Joe Menna, do you have anything additional 16 to share with the Committee on the designs for this 17 program? 18 19 MR. MENNA: 22 Mike No, unless any technical questions about the design, no. 20 21 So similar, but not exact. THE CHAIRMAN: Yeah, I don't have anything -MR. MENNA: Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 41 1 THE CHAIRMAN: Do we have any further 2 comments from our liaisons? All right, so hearing 3 none, and if there is no further discussion, the 4 Committee will now score the reverse design candidates 5 for the 2025 American Innovation $1 coin honoring 6 innovation in Florida. 7 already received the scoresheet from Jennifer Warren, 8 and when you're done with those, please do either 9 email or text them to the CCAC counsel, Greg Weinman. Each of you should have 10 We'll take the tally of the scores and then we'll 11 present the results. 12 13 And in the meantime, we will take a five-minute break while scoring the tallies. 14 (Off the record.) 15 THE REPORTER: 16 ready. Okay, court reporter is We should be good to go. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: We are back. I 18 recognize Greg Weinman, counsel to the CCAC, to 19 present the results from the scoring sheets. 20 all yours. 21 22 MR. WEINMAN: Yes. Greg, With eight number scoring, this is out of a potential score of 24. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 42 1 out of the potential score of 24, Design 1 received 2 ten points. 3 received ten points. 4 5 received 4, Design 6 received eight points. 5 7 received eight points. 6 And Design 9 was the high point getter, with 17 7 points, 17 out of 24 points. 8 THE CHAIRMAN: 9 Design 2 received 14 points. you very much. Design 4 received three. 11 MR. WEINMAN: 12 MR. HOARD: 19 Thank I'll make a motion, Greg. Go ahead, Kellen. Thank you. I was just THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is there a MR. SAUNDERS: John Saunders, I'll second? 16 18 All right, great. going to move that we vote to recommend Design 9. 14 17 Design Are there any motions? MR. HOARD: 15 Design Design 8 received one point. 10 13 Design 3 second. MS. WARREN: This is Jennifer Warren. Kellen, that was you who made the motion; correct? 20 MR. HOARD: That's right. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 Mike, would you -- Thank you. Is there a discussion? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 43 1 MR. MORAN: This is Mike Moran. I 2 really think before we approve 9, we need to more 3 directly, the entire Committee, face up to Dennis' 4 issue, and that would be a hands up vote between 2 and 5 9, being the second vote-getter. 6 consider what we want to do from there. 7 call a vote between the two of them, if it were me. 8 9 THE CHAIRMAN: And then we can Okay. So I would Well, we do have a motion on the table at the moment, Kellen's motion. 10 We can proceed with that. 11 see that you have your hand up. 12 And if there's -- Dennis, I MR. TUCKER: Yes. Is there -Thank you, Mr. 13 Chair. This is Dennis Tucker, and kind of echoing 14 Mike's sentiment, if I could take this opportunity, 15 specifically about this vote, to encourage Committee 16 members to vote against this motion, I do think that 17 we need some more discussion based on some of the 18 ideas that we've talked about in our deliberation. 19 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 22 Dennis. All right, thank you, Kellen? MR. HOARD: Yeah, I'm fine with further www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 44 1 discussion here. 2 high vote-getter, but I think, you know, discussion 3 about the designs generally would fit within the 4 discussion regarding this motion, we could discuss it 5 and then vote on the motion, versus voting it down 6 before discussing, if that is correct, I think, 7 procedurally? 8 9 You know, I nominated that as the MR. WEINMAN: Kellen is right. Point of order. I think The motion, it works either way. 10 Have a full discussion between 2 and 9, and Kellen's 11 motion still stands. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. So we could 13 proceed with a hands-up vote between 2 and 9, as part 14 of the discussion; is that correct? 15 MR. WEINMAN: Yes. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, thank you. Okay, 17 let's then have a hand-up motion between 2 and 9. 18 Actually, before we proceed with that, I see Joe 19 Menna, you have your hand raised. 20 21 22 MR. MENNA: Yes, and April, is it fair to say -- I just mention this to you offline. MS. STAFFORD: Yes, absolutely -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 45 1 MR. MENNA: Yeah, I wouldn't speak out 2 of my lane, but talk to -- I just wanted to illustrate 3 that historically the Mint and many other Mints have 4 used similar framing devices over and over and over 5 again, leaves, wreaths, other such devices. 6 sometimes coins can be looked at very literally in 7 terms of the particulars of the subject, rather than 8 composition only. 9 making -- please, that's not my place. 10 to consider. 11 12 13 I'm not saying you are. I'm not Just something Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: you very much. And All right, Joe. Thank Dennis, I see your hand is raised. MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 14 This is Dennis Tucker. Maybe it would be helpful to 15 have any input from Mr. Kamoutsas and Dr. McGee, and 16 also I would point out too, that my other objection, 17 besides the similarity in design to Alabama's dollar, 18 was the fact that Number 2 has the added advantage of 19 actually saying the Space Shuttle Program, where 20 Number 9 does not identify that, and I think that 21 that's something helpful and educational for the 22 average viewer of these coins. But if we could have www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 46 1 any input from our liaisons, may be they would be able 2 to help us frame these questions, as well. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 you very much. 5 any additional comments? All right, Dennis, thank Mr. Kamoutsas, Mr. McGee, do you have 6 MR. KAMOUTSAS: 7 MR. MCGEE: I do not. From a technical 8 standpoint, I don't have any comments aside from a 9 little bit of the coloration. It would be nice in 2 10 and 9 to see a little bit more of the black markings, 11 the Space Shuttle, like the nose cone, which you can't 12 see for the angle on 2, but you can see on 9, and 13 maybe see slightly darker -- on the -- right above the 14 ailerons there. 15 In terms of issues with what you would 16 see from a launch, you know, the plumes of smoke are 17 going to be there in both cases. 18 any technical questions about like the design of the 19 actual technology -- I feel as though I'm not 20 qualified to comment on the aesthetic aspects. 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. McGee. I guess are there all right. Thank you, Kellen, I see your hand is raised. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 47 1 MR. HOARD: Yeah. Well, just, you 2 know, in kind of the broader discussion of 2 versus 9, 3 underneath this motion here, I would -- you know, 4 regardless of the things of 9, I would speak against 2 5 for a couple reasons, the big one for me being it's 6 kind of difficult for me, and I think it's even more 7 difficult on a small point, to see the shuttle. 8 I feel at this point I think de- 9 emphasizes looking at the shuttle. It's a small piece 10 within -- it's dominated by this exhaust, and so in 11 terms of appreciating this innovation and its 12 technical ingenuity, I think that 9 just shows that 13 better, and 2 is kind of difficult to see. 14 we articulate, you know, the words there, but we need 15 to articulate the words, because we can't actually see 16 the innovation itself, I think, very well on this 17 coin, and to say nothing of the fact that this coin, I 18 think, has similarity in pretty similar ways to the 19 Alabama coin. 20 And, yes, Again, a rocket kind of launching off, 21 but it's just not a head-on angle, and so for 22 distinguishing between just merely the angle we're www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 48 1 looking at, I think that 9, you know, both of them are 2 going to be similar to Alabama. 3 with 9, which is, you know, shows the ingenuity of the 4 design, which has, you know, kind of the nice 5 interesting framing, which has interesting fog -- you 6 know, which shows technical details that are -- and 7 you're actually able to see the shuttle itself, which 8 is a big thing for me. 9 shuttle. We might as well go I'd like to be able to see the 10 Thank you. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 other comments? 13 with the hand vote between Number 2 and Number 9? 14 Dennis, I see your hand is up. 15 All right. Thank you, Kellen. MR. TUCKER: Any Why don't we then proceed I apologize, Mr. Chair. 16 This is Dennis Tucker. 17 this vote will go and the end result, I guess if we 18 agree with the motion, then we recommend to the 19 Secretary Number 9, so I wanted to mention this as a 20 possibility. 21 22 Just kind of mapping out how In June of 2022, when we were considering the Alabama dollar design candidates, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 49 1 Alabama 1 did not have the wording "Saturn V" on it, 2 and we made a recommendation to the Secretary that we 3 include that wording in the design of the coin, and 4 that decision was finally made in the final design. 5 So as -- this starts to become like 6 some sort of friendly amendment or corollary to that 7 motion. 8 better, if we could make recommendation to include the 9 words "Space Shuttle Program". I wonder if we end up deciding we like 9 I mention that now, 10 only because I don't know when -- when else I would 11 mention it. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: Great, thank you, 13 Dennis. Kellen, since it is your motion, if it does 14 happen that we proceed with Number 9, would you accept 15 this friendly amendment? 16 MR. HOARD: Well, I guess I would ask 17 the design staff if they, you know, see a way that 18 those words could be incorporated within the existing 19 design, you know, aesthetically, you know, or design- 20 friendly way, before I answer that question, but I'm 21 not opposed to. 22 I just didn't know if it's possible. MS. STAFFORD: Joe or Mike, do you have www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 50 1 any thoughts on that? 2 3 MR. MENNA: Would you repeat that? MR. HOARD: Sure. I'm sorry. 4 Just in terms of 5 whether Dennis' suggestion of putting the words like 6 "Space Shuttle Program" somewhere on the coin, would 7 be possible to fit within the design here, in a way 8 that wouldn't be, you know, ugly or overcrowding, if 9 that's possible. 10 MR. MENNA: April, is it cool? 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 MR. MENNA: Go ahead, Joe. Yeah. So if you put "Space 13 Shuttle," if you follow the circumference, if you 14 follow the circumference of the United States of 15 America, and made a smaller line, "Space Shuttle 16 Program," I don't know how -- be able to justify 17 splitting the two, and I -- legibility-wise, that 18 would also be possible, not the smallest thing I've 19 ever put on an AI, but it's more a challenge to just, 20 you know, with the shuttle where it is, breaking up 21 that line of text, but it is doable, yes. 22 verbose, sorry. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Not to be Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 51 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, Joe. Dennis, I see your hand is again raised. 3 MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 4 This is Dennis Tucker, and thanks, Joe, for that. 5 Joe, my follow-up question to you would be what if -- 6 I see the Florida is incused at the bottom, right, at 7 six o'clock on this design. 8 moved over to the right or to the left, and "Space 9 Shuttle Program were also set incuse, or along that 10 11 What if "Florida" were bottom arc? MR. MENNA: This is Joe. Any relief, 12 including this, at the border of the coin, is 13 necessarily going to be shallow. 14 nicely grounded, as it catches the entire verticality 15 of the boosters and the frames, and the wings. 16 think -- so you see the artist made the relief more 17 shallow in that area, even though -- just typically 18 shallow along the edges, when you get on both sides, 19 the Van Gogh-esque kind of robustness of the relief is 20 going to make incusing text there very challenging, 21 unless we make those -- unless that smoke is made 22 basically flat, it's going to be really challenging to I think Florida is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 52 1 incuse it, just technically, and I think Mike would 2 support that. 3 4 MR. COSTELLO: some difficulties. 5 6 Yeah, I think -- Joe -- THE CHAIRMAN: John, do you have comments pertaining to this current amendment? 7 MR. SAUNDERS: I was just going to say, 8 I see no reason to put the word "program" there. If 9 you do change it at all, to just "Space Shuttle" and 10 Florida, would in my opinion be sufficient. 11 take Mike's comment about the fact that the clouds 12 have already been kind of been flattened where Florida 13 goes, it might not work as well on the sides. 14 we do do it, I don't see -- I don't think the word 15 "program" adds that much more. 16 17 18 19 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. But I But if Mike, I see your hand. MS. WARREN: Peter, Chris has been having his hand up before a lot of people, and -- 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 MS. WARREN: 22 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm sorry, who? You're skipping over him. Who? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 53 1 MS. WARREN: Chris. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Oh, I'm sorry, Chris. 3 don't see you on my view of the screen. 4 go ahead. 5 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Chris, please Actually -- this is 6 Chris Capozzola. 7 friendly amendment, so I'm happy to see, to stay on 8 top on that. 9 I Actually, mine is a different THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Why don't we 10 first try to work through this friendly amendment, and 11 then we'll return to yours. 12 the friendly amendment? 13 Mike, are you speaking to MR. COSTELLO: Yes, I am. I think the 14 image of the Space Shuttle on Number 9 is iconic. 15 It's clear. 16 inscriptions. 17 friendly amendment. You don't need the additional I'm going to urge Kellen to reject the 18 THE CHAIRMAN: 19 MR. HOARD: Kellen? Well, yeah, if no one else 20 has anything to say, I guess, you know, from hearing 21 what Joe had to say, I'd say probably don't add those 22 words. I think Mike's right, it's pretty clear what www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 54 1 we're featuring here, especially given the Florida 2 aspect and the kind of the technical difficulties with 3 fitting that in, so I'd say probably no on that, for 4 now. 5 MR. TUCKER: 6 rate. 7 from Joe Menna. This is Dennis Tucker, after that commentary 8 9 I would withdraw it at any THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, thank you, Dennis. So Dennis' friendly amendment has been withdrawn. 10 Chris, did you want to talk about your friendly 11 amendment? 12 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Sure thing. This is 13 Chris Capozzola, and again, I think this is the right 14 time to raise this, but certainly before we voted. 15 wanted to return to what April shared from the CFA 16 about the stars, and say that I do agree with that. 17 think they may be a little too stylized and would 18 concur with the CFA's request that those be re- 19 examined. 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 Why don't we do our hand vote? 22 your hand is raised? Sure. I I Thank you, Chris. Joe, I'm sorry, I see www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 55 1 MR. MENNA: If I'm not speaking out of 2 turn, I've heard the stars mentioned a couple times, 3 both Donald with the other design, and here. 4 done stylized designs on coins before and you see it 5 often in other global mints. 6 about these particular shapes, they could be -- 7 instead of four-pointed stars, we could add four more 8 smaller points, so they're eight-pointed starts and 9 look like sparkling stars, actually kind of do, when We've If there's any issue 10 they twinkle, through a telescope or something like 11 that. 12 adjusted, I'm just saying, design-wise, from my 13 perspective. The stars, with April -- the stars could be 14 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, Joe. Thank you 15 very much. 16 question of the stars, if Design 9 proceeds, if we're 17 able to work through this motion. 18 you have your hand raised. 19 you're muted. 20 I would suggest that we return to the MR. SAUNDERS: 21 from before. 22 because -- John, I see that You're muted. Excuse me. John, That was I haven't figured out how to turn it off www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 56 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, no problem. us proceed then with our hand vote. 3 MR. HOARD: Let Kellen? Sorry, Peter. So just to 4 clarify, the hand vote is a non-binding, between 2 and 5 9, or it's a recommendation about 9? 6 asking for on the hand vote? 7 THE CHAIRMAN: What are you We are taking a hand 8 vote to see where we are, between Design Number 2 and 9 Design Number 9. 10 MR. HOARD: Okay. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: And then we will then 12 proceed with the motion. So let us then take a hand 13 vote. 14 please raise your hand. 15 sure, Jennifer, counting the hands raised. Those you who are in favor of Design Number 2, And I will need help, I'm 16 MS. WARREN: 17 THE CHAIRMAN: 18 MS. WARREN: 19 20 21 22 I see no hands raised. I see one. Oh, are you guys raising your hands or are you actually raising on the icon? MR. WEINMAN: If you press the little hand, press the little hand button, it will -MS. WARREN: All right, we have one. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 57 1 THE CHAIRMAN: 2 MS. WARREN: 3 Okay. So Dennis, turn down your hand. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 of Design Number 9, please raise your hand. 6 MS. WARREN: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Right. Those in favor I see five. I see five, as well. 8 Okay. 9 motion, Kellen's motion to adopt Design Number 9, and 10 11 I would suggest then that we proceed with the this motion was seconded by John. MR. HOARD: Pardon me, Peter. Chris 12 has a request for a friendly amendment on the stars, 13 before we make the recommendation. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 DR. CAPOZZOLA: Okay, that's fine. No, I think -- I'm 16 sorry, this is Chris. 17 that you had -- that we were going to postpone the 18 discussion of the stars, or do we do that now? 19 My understanding, Mr. Chair, is THE CHAIRMAN: I would suggest that we 20 vote on the motion, and then, depending on where we 21 are with the motion if Design Number 9 is accepted, 22 then we will discuss the stars. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 58 1 2 MR. WEINMAN: motion, yes. 3 4 It will be a secondary DR. CAPOZZOLA: I withdraw the friendly amendment. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: All right, thank you. 6 All right. 7 motion to adopt Number 9 as the design, please say 8 aye. 9 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 10 11 So all of those in favor of Kellen's THE CHAIRMAN: Aye. All right, those opposed? 12 MR. TUCKER: 13 THE CHAIRMAN: Me. Any abstains? All 14 right. 15 Chris, would you like to introduce a motion then about 16 the stars? 17 It would appear that the motion has passed. DR. CAPOZZOLA: Yes. I think the 18 motion that I would make -- this is Chris Capozzola -- 19 is that informed by the recommendation of the CFA, 20 that the CCAC sort of concur in the concerns about the 21 stars' design, and recommend that the designers -- I'm 22 not sure I'm being specific enough -- we examine or www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 59 1 return to those designs in a less stylist fashion. 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: second? Is there a Is there a second? 4 5 All right. MR. MORAN: This is Mike Moran. I'll certainly second it. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 seconds that. 8 debate? 9 Okay. So Mike Moran Is there any further discussion or Okay. Then I will call the question. 10 All of those in favor of this motion, please signify 11 your favor by saying aye. 12 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 Aye. That's three. Any opposed? 15 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: Nay. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Okay. Any abstains? I abstain. I am not able to 19 determine whether or not this is passed, just on the 20 voice vote, so I think we're going to have to do hand 21 raise again, just to confirm. 22 MS. WARREN: So -- Peter, you can actually www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 60 1 roll call and ask for their vote. 2 Warren. 3 4 THE CHAIRMAN: UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: All Mr. Chairman, can you repeat the motion, as well? 7 8 Okay, thank you. right. 5 6 This is Jennifer THE CHAIRMAN: All right, Chris, would you repeat the motion, please? 9 DR. CAPOZZOLA: This is Chris 10 Capozzola. 11 would put on the table, and I think it merits greater 12 discussion, would be to convey the sense of the CCAC, 13 that it concurs in the CFA's recommendation, that the 14 stars in FL09 be re-examined in the design phase, and 15 revised in a less stylized fashion. 16 To be a little more clear, the motion I MR. WEINMAN: Mr. Chairman, I think the 17 software provides -- you don't need to call the roll. 18 I think if you just look at the hands raised by 19 pressing, that will give you an exact number of who's 20 in favor of the motion. 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. I'm not seeing hands raised at the moment. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 61 1 2 MR. WEINMAN: So now if everybody could vote, if you're in favor of the motion. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 MR. WEINMAN: All right, thank you. Press the hand raise and 5 it will literally tell you the number of people voting 6 for it. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. I just want to 8 clarify though. By re-examine, Chris, you mean to not 9 eliminate the stars, but just re-examine the design -- 10 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Yes, and revise --- perhaps -Yes. Okay. All of those then in favor of this motion, please raise your hand. MS. WARREN: five hands raised. This is Jennifer. There's So everybody lower your hands. THE CHAIRMAN: Anyone opposed to the motion, please raise your hand. MS. WARREN: No hands are raised. some people did not vote. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: 22 MS. WARREN: Any abstains? Yes. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 62 1 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm sorry, John, are you MR. SAUNDERS: I was opposed to the 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, all right. 6 MR. SAUNDERS: I had my hand up -- 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Any abstains? 2 opposed? 3 4 motion, yes. 8 right. 9 further discussion then about the design? 10 The motion carries. All right. All right. All Is there any Well, thank you very much. 11 I would like to then express our appreciation to our 12 liaison for attending today. 13 Mr. Kamoutsas and Mr. McGee. 14 Next. Thank you so much, So our next portfolio is to 15 review the reverse design candidates for the 2025 16 American Innovation $1 coin honoring innovation in 17 Texas. 18 considered for the 2025 American Innovation $1 Coins, 19 and April Stafford, Chief of the Office of Design 20 Management and Russ Evans, Design Manager for the 21 program, will present the candidate designs for the 22 2025 American Innovation $1 coin honoring innovation This is the last of the portfolios to be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 63 1 in Texas. 2 April, all yours. MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. As you 3 mentioned previously, we have Thomas Hambrick, 4 Director of the Office of State Federal Relations, 5 with the Office of the Governor, in Texas, and as 6 before, Andrew Meade McGee, curator at NASA, if you 7 have any technical questions. 8 Mr. Hambrick in just a moment. 9 I'll come to We'd like to give you some background 10 on the Texas portfolio. 11 that was sent forward. 12 Johnson Space Center. 13 Texas also had a single theme It is Mission Control at the So a few bits of information about 14 Mission Control. The Johnson Space Center provides 15 NASA with the economic, logistical and intellectual 16 support needed for Manned Flight Program. 17 Control for Human Space Flight began during Project 18 Mercury, when Dr. Christopher Kraft developed a system 19 of resource management and communication protocols, to 20 use when directing space flights, which he based 21 primarily on existing aircraft flight operation 22 procedures. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Mission Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 64 1 For the first time NASA could 2 comprehensively control missions from a single 3 location to improve subsequent missions. 4 Mission Control Center manages flight control for 5 NASA's Human Space Program, and coordinates with 6 astronauts from the many countries that participate in 7 the International Space Station Program. 8 9 Today the So we have for your consideration nine candidate designs, but before presenting let me ask 10 Mr. Hambrick to say a few words. 11 throw to you, and I do believe you actually have a 12 preference that you would like to share with the 13 Committee. 14 15 MR. HAMBRICK: Mr. Hambrick, can I Yes. Good afternoon. Can you hear me all right? 16 MS. STAFFORD: Yes, thank you. 17 MR. HAMBRICK: Great. Thanks, April. 18 My name is Wes Hambrick. Thomas is my first name, but 19 normally only called when I'm in trouble by my mother 20 or my wife. 21 for having me today. 22 this issue, and definitely thank you for including the But I want to thank you and everyone else Thanks for your all's work on www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 65 1 state in the process. 2 As you said, I work for Governor Abbott 3 in the state of Texas, and specifically I represent 4 the state here in Washington. 5 work with your team on the American Innovation coin 6 for Texas for many months now. 7 It's been an honor to I'd like to say a few quick words about 8 the importance of space exploration to the state of 9 Texas, first. Of course, I'm biased as a Texan and a 10 native Houstonian, but, you know, one can't think 11 about space without thinking about Texas. 12 As you mentioned, NASA's Johnson Space 13 Center has been at the heart of human space 14 exploration, as evidenced by the scientific 15 breakthroughs and engineering feats that have allowed 16 the human race to explore beyond our planet. 17 course, Mission Control, for all of the infamous 18 Apollo Missions, was in Houston, but even to this day, 19 as you mentioned, what's known as Modern Mission 20 Control, communicates and coordinates with astronauts 21 from all over the world in the International Space 22 Station Program. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And, of Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 66 1 And outside of NASA, companies like 2 SpaceX have a large presence in Texas, and continue to 3 push space exploration into the 21st century. 4 fact, at the state government level in Texas, we 5 continue to invest in the space, as well. 6 fact, just last year the governor signed into law 7 legislation creating a Texas Space Commission, to 8 further this mission, and also include hundreds of 9 millions of dollars in investment. 10 In And, in We're currently standing up that 11 Commission now. I'm very excited for the 12 opportunities it will create to partner with our 13 federal partners in the space. 14 All that said, and perhaps equally as 15 important as the technology itself that I mentioned, 16 Johnson Space Center has been at the heart of training 17 our brave men and women, who train to be astronauts 18 and make the journey into space. 19 feeling that their spirit best captures what it means 20 to be an American, and we as Texans are incredibly 21 proud that their training continues in Texas. 22 And it is our For those reasons, we do have a strong www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 67 1 preference as a state for Design Number TX03. 2 strongly that this design best captures the 3 technological innovation that has been vital to space 4 exploration, as well as the human spirit, of our brave 5 men and women who represent the best among us. 6 We feel We're proud that both of these 7 innovations of both technology and of spirit, have a 8 history and continued home in the great state of 9 Texas. We look forward to conveying these preferences 10 in an official letter and look forward to the 11 Committee's continued work on this issue. 12 13 Thank you and thanks again for having me today. 14 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you so much. All 15 right. 16 designs. 17 3 is the preference of the Texas Governor. 18 design features an American astronaut conducting a 19 spacewalk outside the International Space Station. 20 Design 4, 4A, 4B, 5, and 6. 21 22 So with that we'll go to the candidate We'll start with Design 1, 2, 2A, 3. And this Mr. Chairman, that concludes the candidate designs. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Again, Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 68 1 THE CHAIRMAN: April, thank you very 2 much, and Mr. Hambrick, thank you very much for your 3 comments, as well, and for your presence here today. 4 Are there any technical or legal 5 questions from the Committee about this program, or 6 the designs for the 2025 American Innovation $1 coin 7 honoring innovation in Texas, before we begin our 8 general discussion? 9 All right. Hearing none, seeing none, 10 let's begin our consideration. 11 remind members to please try to keep your comments to 12 five minutes or less, and please do identify yourself 13 for the record, prior to speaking. 14 there are any additional comments, we'll consider 15 these at the ends of the comments of each of the CCAC 16 members. 17 And again, I'd like to Additionally, if So let's begin with Dennis. MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 18 This is Dennis Tucker. It seemed to me, from the 19 materials that we are given, that computing power is a 20 very important concept to Mission Control. 21 something in the back of my mind, as I was reviewing 22 these design candidates. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 That was Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 69 1 Mr. Hambrick, thank you for your 2 additional commentary. That's very helpful, as well. 3 My favorite design, just from -- just as a design 4 aesthetic viewpoint, was Number 2. 5 that really stood out at me as I was reviewing this 6 portfolio. 7 background. 8 That's unique or very unusual in American coinage, at 9 least. That's the one I liked that the moon is visible in the I like the hexagonal aspect of it. And I like the human element. 10 But now that you -- and since you 11 mentioned, Mr. Hambrick, the importance of astronaut 12 training in Texas, and how important that is to the 13 Governor's Office, I see the appeal of Number 3, and I 14 would -- those are the two that I'm kind of wrestling 15 with right now as my favorite designs. 16 ask you, do you have any feedback from the Governor's 17 Office on Design 2, and how it would compare with 3? 18 Did you have any discussion with 2 and 2A in 19 particular? 20 MR. HAMBRICK: And if I could Hey, Dennis, thanks for 21 that. I don't think I have anything specifically in 22 terms of comparing and contrasting 2 and 3, other than www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 70 1 just to say 3 was a strong preference of my boss, in 2 terms of what it encapsulates in the design itself. 3 MR. TUCKER: Thank you, sir. And my 4 other question would be a technical question, and 5 maybe that should wait for the end. 6 to hear Joe Menna's and Mike Costello's commentary on 7 the differing relief, you know, what would be the 8 relief in Design 3. 9 commentary. I would just like So if it's helpful, that's my 10 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: All right, thank you. 12 think we'll wait until the end of the rest of the 13 comments before we engage Joe and Mike on your 14 question. 15 All right. I John Saunders. MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you. This is John 16 Saunders. In terms of just design, I like 3 best; 17 however, the theme is Mission Control, rather than man 18 in space. 19 had thought that either 6 or 1 expressed the Mission 20 Control aspect that we're trying to push here. 21 initial thought was giving preference to one of those 22 two. I mean, they're obviously related, but I So my However, I'm reconsidering it now, given the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 71 1 state of Florida [sic] likes Design 3. 2 Also, I'd like to comment on Design 2 3 and 2A. First ask the question, is that a particular 4 astronaut being depicted, or is it just a generic 5 version of a woman in space? 6 7 Beyond that, I like those designs, as well. 8 9 If anybody knows? MR. WEINMAN: not be an individual. The answer, that should That should be generic. 10 not aware that this is an individual, an actual 11 person. 12 13 14 I'm MS. STAFFORD: That's correct. Thank MR. SAUNDERS: Again, I have the same you, Greg. 15 objection to 2 that I have for 3, that it doesn't 16 really portray Mission Control. 17 preference between 1 and 6, I'm tending towards 6, 18 because it has the Space Shuttle shown on it, and the 19 action with putting this space -- so I'm thinking that 20 6, because of the theme here, is my first choice. 21 and 2 fall probably closely. 22 good design, in my opinion. In terms of a And 1 also is a very www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 3 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 72 1 MR. HAMBRICK: This is Wes. I know you 2 didn't ask me a specific question, but sort of in the 3 nature of responding to Design 6, I think we like that 4 design. 5 specifically, sometimes people identify that more with 6 the state of Florida, given the launch in Cape 7 Canaveral, and kind of historically thinking through 8 that, so I think that was, yes, I agree with you, but 9 that was one consideration that we spoke about I think we felt that the Space Shuttle 10 internally on our end, for whatever it's worth. 11 it's worth nothing, then that's fine too. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 13 you very much for that additional comment. 14 thank you for your comments. 15 DR. CAPOZZOLA: If Wes, thank John, Chris? All right. This is 16 Chris Capozzola, and again thanks to Texas for Mission 17 Control. 18 am a little bit torn, and much informed by listening 19 to other people in their discussion. 20 And these are some really great designs. I My initial preferences were for 1 or 6, 21 for, you know, similar reasons to my thoughts about 22 Florida, in that they depict the work of Mission www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 73 1 Control. They depict Texans. 2 happening in Texas. 3 They depict something I'm particularly struck in Number 1, 4 the ways in which it is recognizable as Mission 5 Control, without the words Mission Control needing to 6 be put there. 7 remarkable. 8 9 The legibility of this design is quite There are, you know, that said, I certainly, you know, take the point from Dennis Tucker 10 that Number 2 is a unique design, and reflect things 11 we haven't really seen on coins, shapes and 12 aesthetically. 13 seen before and is creative in that sense. 14 Number 2 is something that we have not And with Number 3, this may be 15 reflecting some of what others have raised. 16 about legibility, when it is actually produced, as a 17 coin, and whether parts of what looks as a really 18 remarkable drawing, in two dimensions, might get lost 19 in the end. 20 I worry And then finally, between 1 and 6, if 21 we look at Number 6, I worried that the computer 22 equipment might be too specific, too historically www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 74 1 specific, to convey what else is happening. And I 2 also shared the concern that the Space Shuttle would 3 read as Florida, rather than Texas. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Chris. 5 MR. HAMBRICK: This is Wes, if I may. 6 Just regarding some feedback on Number 1 that we had 7 spoken about, I think one of the concerns that we 8 mentioned was that women have contributed quite a bit 9 to the Space Program, and it's pretty clear to me that 10 Number 1 that depicts three men and no women, and I 11 think when you contrast that with Number 6, you know, 12 I think that speaks as an astronaut for everybody, you 13 know, not just both genders, but everyone who's been a 14 part of that in the future, in addition to the 15 International Space Station, which is sort of, you 16 know, today's version of what some of these other 17 drawings might depict, Number 1 looking more like 18 something from the 60s and 70s perhaps. 19 DR. CAPOZZOLA: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 you again. 22 please. Chris, thank you. So thanks. Understood. All right. Wes, thank Mike, your comments, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 75 1 MR. MORAN: Thank you, Peter. I'm 2 going to make a negative comment to begin with. 3 never see another control panel on a coin designed for 4 us, it will be too soon. 5 plain and simple. 6 If I I think they're deadly, When I looked through this portfolio, I 7 felt like Number 3 was superior. I think they can do 8 it in two different reliefs. 9 about whether it was appropriate in the theme; I was a little concerned 10 however, with Texas coming out in favor of this, it 11 settled it for me. 12 Thank you. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 15 much. Mike, thank you very Donald, your comments, please. MR. SCARINCI: So I, you know, how can 16 you say no to an astronaut? 17 governor's choice. 18 and 2A was very interesting. 19 merit votes for the artists who did them. 20 I just support the I do -- I agree, I thought that 2 They're going to get I also, you know, for -- you know, I 21 like what Mike just said about control panels, is kind 22 of -- it's been done, but 4B is a really nice coin. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 76 1 It's a really nice coin design. 2 the artist there. 3 I want to compliment And, you know, Number 5, I'm not 4 advocating it, but I want to give it, you know, some 5 merit. 6 like words, and we have not used words the way we 7 could in these coins. 8 elements that encircle the words, but, you know, I'm 9 not going to support it. You know, like sort of -- it just, it looks And I like the artistic I'm going to go with the -- 10 I'm going to go with the astronaut. 11 make a nice, you know, another space coin, that will 12 promote the program. 13 14 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. 15 I think it will Wonderful, Donald. Kellen, your comments, please. MR. HOARD: Thank you. Thank you, Wes, 16 for coming and speaking with us here. I am strongly 17 in favor of 6 for a couple reasons. 18 know, for me, I'm heavily driven by the theme here, 19 which is, you know, Mission Control at Johnson Space 20 Center. 21 the only ones that actually show that, that the 22 innovation of Mission Control, the -- you know, the One, I think, you I think this is -- that one and Number 1 are www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 77 1 leading edge in Texas of Mission Control. 2 you understand what you're looking at in this image. 3 It's a matter of showing and not telling. 4 these images tell quite a bit. 5 shows the work being done. 6 space, which is always a popular thing. 7 And I think A lot of This one shows it, It connects it back to And I think it's a nice design, as 8 well. 9 You know, versus 3, you know, where, you know, kind of 10 as a -- well, A, I don't feel it connects to the theme 11 quite as well, of Mission Control specifically. 12 wouldn't know that's what I was looking at. 13 So I am, you know, really drawn to this one. But even beyond space generally, as a 14 young person, you know, who talk to other young 15 people, here at -- there's like a Space Policy 16 Institute, so my kids are talking about space. 17 I The association with astronauts in 18 space, among my peers, is Florida. And I think that 19 just having an astronaut there doesn't necessarily, 20 you know, beyond the word, having the word "Texas," 21 does not necessarily show the innovation that's 22 happening in Texas, in a lot of the minds of my peers, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 78 1 you know, even though we had that Texas word there, we 2 also have the word "Texas" on Design 6, which I 3 prefer. 4 the place where it's happening. 5 have a sense of place here, and the place is Texas, 6 and that's what this, you know, this kind of leading 7 edge is occurring, and it has that clear tie to -- to 8 the space program and to their work there, can be, you 9 know, applicable in the 60s or the modern age, and so 10 You know, kind of really reaffirming this is You know, you must I just felt -- and it was just a good design. 11 One last thing I give merit to, but I 12 don't think I'll go for it, are the 2 designs, 2 and 13 2A, just because I think they're really great designs, 14 and they just, again, don't tie back to that theme so 15 well. 16 But what I'm doing, what I'm trying to 17 do ultimately is for, you know, young people, have 18 them understand, you know, what innovation Mission 19 Control in Texas was and the state's leadership role 20 in that area. 21 you. 22 So I'll be going for Number 6. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank Kellen, thank you very www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 79 1 much. Annelisa, your comments, please. 2 3 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Mr. Hambrick, for being here, as well. 4 I am going to second that 6 was my 5 favorite design, as well, in large part because it 6 ties together the people who were possible at Mission 7 Control, who are making all of these innovations that 8 we see available to us, that these Space Shuttles 9 obviously don't. Yet in the air, by themselves, if 10 they do, would be wonderful, but it's people that make 11 it possible, the people at Mission Control who make 12 that possible. 13 job, both in terms of design and structure, of tying 14 those two together, that it's those who are on the 15 ground who are making this happen. And I think that 6 does a very good 16 I like the hexagonal designs for the 17 coins, but I don't know, maybe it's just a personal 18 preference, but hexagonal shapes are just very hit or 19 miss on coinage, as a rule. 20 Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. 21 this one is juxtaposed very well, but I don't see 22 where it doesn't emphasize the theme, as well as They're very unusual. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I think Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 80 1 Number 6 does. 2 wonderful, it brings back memories. 3 the -- they're excellent, but I do think that Number 6 4 does a better overall job of pressing the theme. 5 see the astronaut in the air, but it's on the ground 6 that's important to these people who we often don't 7 see all the time, and that's also a way to convey to 8 the public that -- to remember that it's these people 9 here who are possible and making these innovations 10 These details, So it's still a very strong Number 6 for me. Thank you. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 very much for your comments. 15 to support Governor Abbott's selection of Design 16 Number 3 for this coin. 17 Thank you. So are there any additional comments or motions from the members at this time? 19 your hand is raised. 21 22 Thank you And I am more than happy 18 20 We possible. 11 12 And the astronaut in Number 3, MR. TUCKER: Dennis, I see Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I'll keep this brief. Simply because this is a public meeting www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 81 1 and our transcripts are made public, to be read 2 currently and by people, you know, historians well 3 into the future, I want to express my admiration for 4 Design 5, as well, simply for its innovative use of 5 text. 6 This is something similar to what we 7 saw in the Anna May Wong candidate portfolio, where we 8 saw Anna May Wong in Quarter Dollar, as if it were 9 wording on a poster or playbill. It's just a neat use 10 of text, and as a writer, it stood out to me. 11 figured I would mention that now, but I still support 12 3, as well. 13 Thank you. 14 THE CHAIRMAN: I All right, thank you 15 very much. Joe, Mike, I know that Dennis raised a 16 question earlier about Number 3, in terms of -- I 17 believe it was relief, Dennis; is that correct? 18 MR. TUCKER: 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 21 22 Yes, that's correct. All right, thank you. Joe, would you like to address that, please? MR. MENNA: Yes. This is Joseph Menna. We've said many times before nothing goes before this www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 82 1 Committee that's not coinable or sculptable. 2 working with this portfolio, if you see the background 3 elements are at least -- are in the periphery below 4 letter height. 5 curvature of the basin, but that said, rather than -- 6 because they are so low, rather than dimensional, 7 there's many types of relief, many different 8 traditions. 9 When They would necessarily follow the So rather than dimensional relief, 10 which would not be possible at that scale, I saw this 11 s stacking, using overlaps to convey what's in front 12 and what's behind, and scribing. 13 So it would be more like a decorative 14 background, that would fully look like this, and it 15 would read like this, but the dimension -- the star of 16 the show is the astronaut, so the robust relief would 17 be on the astronaut, and the background would be fully 18 legible. 19 like a topography like mountains or -- you know what I 20 mean, so that's how it would be approached and it 21 would be very effective, I believe. 22 But you wouldn't see -- it wouldn't have THE CHAIRMAN: Great. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you very Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 83 1 much. 2 from you, Wes, or Mr. McGee? 3 4 Are there any additional comments, clarifying, MR. MCGEE: I will defer to the governor's representative first. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. 6 MR. HAMBRICK: Thanks. Wes, please. I don't have 7 anything else to add. 8 considering the governor's opinion and hearing me out, 9 and thank you very much. 10 11 12 I just appreciate you guys THE CHAIRMAN: again. All right. Mr. McGee, please. MR. MCGEE: Thank you. 13 all of these designs. 14 and I enjoy being part of the process. 15 to the Mint for reaching out to me. 16 Thank you I appreciate I think they're quite striking, So thank you Just in terms of a few notes on each of 17 these, this is my particular area of expertise. 18 will note that the theme of Mission Control is very 19 important and is something deeply rooted in Houston. 20 I There are many remarkable aspects of 21 American technology, and our space flight program, but 22 what's most remarkable, in some ways it goes www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 84 1 unacknowledged, is just the sheer complexity of the 2 systems that underpin it, the knowledge, the 3 expertise, the machines, the practice, all of that is 4 based in Houston. 5 this interface of humans and computers, that make our 6 ability to control space flight possible, I think 7 that's a valuable technological history intervention, 8 the story that doesn't often get told. 9 So if you can find a way to capture There are lots of pictures of space 10 stations and lots of pictures of astronauts. 11 are not very many showing this interface of humans 12 with computers, that actually undergirds the whole 13 thing. 14 becoming the site of Mission Control, with the July 4 15 mission. 16 representation of computers and humans, embracing them 17 as part of that. 18 There 1965 will be the 60th anniversary of Houston It would nice to see some sort of When it comes to some of the specific 19 designs, you know, I like all of them. 20 like the historic details and features in Number 1, 21 but again, that is a sort of 60s, 70s, era, Mission 22 Control. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I particularly Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 85 1 Design Number 2 and 2A are striking. 2 They are, from what I could tell, the Cupola of the 3 International Space Station. 4 One is obviously all interactions with the astronauts 5 in the International Space Station are run through 6 Houston. 7 and also the Cupola itself was manufactured by the 8 European Space Agency. 9 tie to Houston there, although I do think it's quite a 10 11 I do have two notes. But that's not necessarily as apparent here, So there's less of a direct striking piece. For Number 3 you have the astronaut in 12 the space suit with -- above the International Space 13 Station, again, very striking, and I understand the 14 governor's preference for that. 15 see a computer and sort of show Mission Control or 16 show that complexity of the people on the ground, 17 actually in Houston, actually make Texas the center of 18 the space universe, the way it really is, but I 19 understand the striking nature of this. 20 I think I prefer to I will note there's one technical 21 detail I had not noticed previously. 22 appear to be any sort of cable or cord holding the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 There doesn't Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 86 1 astronaut to the space station. 2 because otherwise he would float away, so it might be 3 worth thinking about that, in design -- and that could 4 just be the angle, but I feel we have a gravity type 5 situation here with our -- astronaut. 6 That would be useful, When it comes to Designs 4 and 4A, I'm 7 a sucker for consols. I understand some folks in the 8 Committee are sick of them, but as the Curator of 9 Control for the United States Government, I really 10 love consoles. 11 displayed -- especially 4B. 12 particularly well drawn. 13 exciting, but I really like how it looks, like in the 14 images on 5, with the lettering and the wording, 15 again, very striking. 16 And I think that's very nicely I think that's just I don't know it's the most When it comes to Number 6, I did verify 17 all the computers and things. It looks a little busy, 18 but it is very appropriate. 19 to sort of highjack the Space Shuttle from Florida, 20 even though they take off in Florida, they are managed 21 from Texas, and then I think that Design 6 conveys the 22 fact that our entire space infrastructure is funneled And if Texas would like www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 87 1 through Houston, and all the important decisions, 2 using computers, using expert simulations, using the 3 knowledge base of the space industry, comes right out 4 of that room. So I think it's a very striking piece. 5 Thank you. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: Well, thank you very 7 much for your very insightful comments and 8 observations. 9 thank you. Very much appreciated. All right, Is there any further discussion? 10 MR. WEINMAN: Mr. Chairman. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: 12 MR. WEINMAN: Yes. Point of order, this is 13 Greg. 14 this conversation, and certainly the Committee has 15 wide latitude on who it hears from and what it picks 16 up. 17 these programs, there are official liaisons, and so 18 we're receiving feedback. 19 is the official legal liaison for the program, and so 20 please weigh that as -- as is due. 21 22 I think it's always valuable to have all of I just wanted to point out that as with all of In this case the governor THE CHAIRMAN: very much for that. Right. Yeah, thank you Is there any further discussion www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 88 1 then? 2 now score the reverse candidate designs for the 2025 3 American Innovation $1 coin honoring innovation in 4 Texas. 5 score sheets, and if you could, please, email or text 6 those to CCAC counsel Greg Weinman, who will tally the 7 scores and present the results momentarily. 8 9 Hearing none, seeing none, the Committee will Each of you should have already received your And while he is doing that, we will take a five-minute break. 10 Thank you very much. MS. WARREN: 11 just stop for five minutes. 12 when you're ready. Court Reporter, we will Just give me a thumbs up 13 (Off the record.) 14 MS. WARREN: 15 Okay, we have a thumbs up, so go ahead, Peter. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: We are back. I 17 recognize Greg Weiman, counsel to the CCAC, to present 18 the results from the scoring sheets. 19 MR. WEINMAN: Yes. Greg, please. Once again, out of 20 a possible score of 24, Design Number 1 received 21 eight. 22 2A received three points. Design Number 2 received five. Design Number Design Number 3 received www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 89 1 19. That is a tie for first place. 2 received 5. 3 received nine. 4 received 19. 5 Number 6 and Design Number 3. Design 4A received three. 6 7 8 9 Design Number 4 Design 5 received 2 and Design 6 also So a tie for first place between Design THE CHAIRMAN: you very much. Design 4B All right, Greg. Are there any motions? MR. SAUNDERS: Thank John, please. This is John Saunders. I'd like to bring up a question about our procedures. 10 MR. SCARINCI: I'll make a motion -- 11 THE CHAIRMAN: Donald, just a second. 12 MR. SAUNDERS: I'd like to bring up a 13 question first and think about our procedures, and 14 this particular vote illustrates where we're at. 15 know, if you really want to advocate for a design, 16 your best strategy is to give the one you like the 17 best three and give the one that maybe you like second 18 best zero, if everybody else likes it. 19 Mike one time mentioned, strategic voting. You As I think 20 And I think, given the system we have 21 here, whenever there's two that are fairly close, we 22 should have discussion between the top two, because www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 90 1 otherwise people who don't use strategic voting may 2 not get their first choice. 3 reflect the opinion of the Committees. 4 It doesn't necessarily So that's an issue to think about. And 5 in terms of this particular choice, I gave both the 6 top scoring -- a three in my opinion. 7 scored one of them a zero, and then I would have had 8 pushed it towards one side or the other, but I thought 9 they were both good designs. 10 I could have And again, I'm torn between them. I 11 like the astronaut best in terms of design, but I 12 think the picture of the Space Shuttle Control 13 illustrates the theme better, so I wanted to express 14 that, particularly the thought about how we do going 15 forward, for people to think about, maybe discuss at a 16 future meeting. 17 Thank you. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: 19 MS. WARREN: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 MS. WARREN: 22 Sure. Thank you, John. Peter? Yeah. This is Jennifer. Before we continue, I just wanted to point out, because one www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 91 1 of the liaisons, our subject matter expert, did say 2 just in regards to Number 3, just for you guys to 3 consider, he researched there's only been four 4 untethered space flights in '84 and '94, all three 5 predating International Space Station, so Design 3 6 would likely need am umbilical cable connected to the 7 astronaut, so just something to consider, that he 8 passed on. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: Wonderful. Thank you 10 very much, Jennifer. 11 Committee, as well as to our newer and newest member 12 of the Committee, that we use the score sheet simply 13 as a guide to see where we are with the designs. 14 of course, this is really not binding. 15 way to guide conversation and further discussion. 16 17 I just want to reiterate to the And, It's just a Dennis, I see that your hand is raised. Please go ahead. 18 MR. TUCKER: Yes. Thank you, Mr. 19 Chair. Kind of combining John's thoughts with yours 20 that you just expressed, I would also like to 21 discourage members from automatically making a motion 22 to recommend one design or another, when the voting is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 92 1 this close, simply because the voting is just a tool 2 and part of a broader discussion. 3 John, I think you expressed some of the 4 risks and benefits of strategic voting quite well. 5 gave one point to Number 6 and three points to Number 6 3, so if we were to vote again, knowing that, I would 7 give six a zero and then 3, just looking at the 8 numbers, would be the winner, 19 to 18. 9 Anyway, for what it's worth, I would 10 like to have some more discussion and maybe a vote 11 between 3 and 6. 12 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 Thank you. Do we have any other hands raised that I can't see? 15 MR. WEINMAN: 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 I Do we have a motion then? 18 MR. TUCKER: No hands are up. All right, thank you. Dennis? Mr. Chair, I think before 19 we make a motion, I would recommend that we open the 20 floor to further discussion, so the people can 21 advocate for one or the other, and if that meets your 22 approval. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 93 1 THE CHAIRMAN: Oh, it does. I'll just 2 wait for others to raise their hand, so we can have a 3 discussion, but -- 4 MR. TUCKER: Well, if I could start 5 then, I would encourage the Committee -- if we're 6 going to go through that process of having one more 7 vote between 3 and 6, I would encourage Committee 8 members to weigh the governor's office's preference 9 heavily and advocate for Number 3. 10 This is tough. I mean, this is not an 11 easy decision or an easy vote. Both have great 12 merits, and this is a challenging portfolio, because 13 we're dealing with concepts that are not easy to boil 14 down, and the designs are all very good, so -- but I 15 would prefer Number 3 for what it's worth. 16 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: 18 MS. WARREN: Thank you. Peter, this is Jennifer 19 Warren. I just wanted to point out, in the past the 20 Committee has at times, when there's been a time they 21 can't decide, you also have the option of sending both 22 options. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 94 1 THE CHAIRMAN: 2 MS. WARREN: 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 much. 5 Yeah, of course. Just FYI. Yeah, thank you very Kellen, I believe you raised your hand. MR. HOARD: I did. Thank you. Just in 6 the realm of this, you know, discussion period, I kind 7 of lay myself, you know, on the opposite side of 8 Dennis here, I think, in that where I would heavily 9 weight is the theme itself, is the theme that we were 10 trying to adhere to, and not just a them, but the 11 innovation itself that we are trying to feature here. 12 And as discussed by our expert from the 13 Smithsonian, and, you know, our description from the 14 Mint, and all these other things, you know, where we 15 see the innovation, where we see the confluence of the 16 people of Texas, and the innovation, where we have the 17 most clear message of what this coin is demonstrating 18 and showing, what's going to be accessible to the 19 public, in understanding this theme. 20 time and again, 6. 21 22 To me, that's An astronaut is itself a compelling design. You know, it's a neat design, but to me it www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 95 1 doesn't capture what the innovation is for this 2 innovation dollar series, and it doesn't align with 3 what the stated theme is. 4 And so to me, you know, we can go coin 5 by coin, but just as a general precedent, I try to 6 adhere to whatever we're trying to show thematically, 7 and this is what -- and the governor's office came to 8 this being the best theme. 9 not -- advisors here, I think we can try to help 10 So as you know, a theme is adhere there. 11 Thank you. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: 13 much. Any other comments? 14 15 MR. MORAN: Kellen, thank you very Mike, your hand is raised. Took me forever to get that thing to push. 16 We have a dilemma here, particularly 17 because the CFA made no recommendation. 18 back to the original choice of Texas to use Mission 19 Control. 20 Control on the hard coin. 21 these do it. 22 And it goes It's very difficult to visualize Mission And quite frankly, none of If you were to put 6 and -- a larger www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 96 1 pile, you could see it, but it's not going to really 2 pop out at you, whereas the astronaut does. 3 question of functionality design versus the artistry 4 of the design, and I think each of us are going to 5 have to come one way or the other on it, and vote 6 it -- whether they're going to vote for the art or for 7 the function. 8 9 THE CHAIRMAN: is raised. 10 It's a Donald, I see your hand Thank you, Mike. MR. SCARINCI: You know what, I'd like 11 to make the argument for 6, in light of -- in light of 12 the Space Shuttle for Texas, I mean, for Florida. 13 These coins are going to come here, 14 right, so they're going to be in the same package. 15 They're going to be marketed together. 16 pretty cool, you know, in light of that, right, I 17 think it would be pretty cool to have the Space 18 Shuttle taking off in Florida and then next -- you've 19 got a -- with two coins that are packaged together, 20 will be marketed together, coming out at the same 21 time, and Florida and Texas have dibs on the space 22 program. I think it's Of course, Ohio thinks it does too, which it www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 97 1 does. 2 Other places have some -- New York has some -- it's 3 pretty cool. 4 -- and it's managed by Mission Control in Texas. 5 North Carolina certainly does too. Right. It takes off in Florida and then it gets I think it tells a story and I'm really 6 inclined -- you know, I take the liaison's -- 7 everybody knows I take the liaison's comments and 8 recommendations as a starting point for the discussion 9 and try to understand, you know, why they chose, you 10 know, but our job is really, you know, not to do with 11 the liaison suggests, but to do what we think would 12 be, you know, would be attractive on a United States 13 coin, and I think -- tells that story. 14 really think, you know, we should weigh, you know, the 15 liaison accordingly. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: All right, Donald. 17 Thank you very much. 18 little bit there towards the end. 19 raised. 20 You know, I I think you were breaking up a MR. SAUNDERS: Yes. John, your hand is I wanted to be a 21 little bit off subject here for a second but I like 22 what Donald said. You know, it wasn't very long ago www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 98 1 that we were considering future program for coinage, 2 and it might be a really cool program to have space 3 and contributions of, you know, maybe a dozen 4 different states. 5 He mentions taking off in Florida. 6 Well, the natural consequence would that be landing at 7 Edwards in California, follow up with all the stuff in 8 between, but I think that would be a great future 9 theme. 10 But in terms of where we're at here, I 11 would call for a -- make a motion that we have an 12 up/down vote between the two leading designs. 13 again, I'm in favor of doing this any time they're 14 close in the future. 15 16 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. And So are you actually making the motion then? 17 MR. SAUNDERS: Yes, I'm making a motion 19 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. 20 MR. SAUNDERS: -- we have an up/down 18 that we -- 21 vote between these two, and we strongly consider doing 22 so any time things are close in the future, like this. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 99 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: much. Thank you very Do we have a second for John's motion? 3 4 Okay. MR. TUCKER: I would second that. This is Dennis Tucker. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: All right, Dennis. 6 Thank you very much. Why don't we then proceed with 7 an up/down vote? 8 Those in favor of Design Number 3, please indicate by 9 saying aye. We will start with Design Number 3. 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 11 THE CHAIRMAN: Aye. All right. Is that just 12 one? Actually, why don't we raise our hands? 13 it's just going to be easier to tally the vote by 14 raising our hands. 15 MS. WARREN: 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 MS. WARREN: 18 Joe Menna has his hands up. 19 your hand down? 20 MR. SAUNDERS: 21 MS. WARREN: 22 THE CHAIRMAN: I think Peter -Yeah. Peter, this is Jennifer. Mr. Saunders, can you put Oh, okay, sorry. That's okay. Joe, please, go ahead. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 100 1 MR. MENNA: I was speaking with 2 permission of my superiors, because we do consult 3 during the breaks and stuff. 4 perspective, like 3 is going to give you much bolder 5 -- what's that? 6 3 is going to give you -- I think 3 is going to give 7 you much more robust story. 8 element, this person in space just from an artistic 9 symbol perspective, everything that is in this image Just from an aesthetic I got some message to raise my hand. As an allegorical 10 only exists because of Mission Control's guidance and 11 support. 12 that what Mission Control does is so -- it's 13 sophisticated beyond levels, I think -- we have cell 14 phones because of Mission Control. The very lives of these astronauts, the fact 15 Time moves differently for these 16 astronauts. 17 with the atomic clocks running at a different speed 18 than they do on the ground -- Mission Control 19 shouldn't even be possible. 20 be possible. 21 22 To be able to synchronize all they do, This astronaut shouldn't So artistically, symbolically, and even sculpturally, I think it's a much stronger design, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 101 1 artistically, for what it communicates via the story 2 that it tells artistically. 3 CCAC team member, but you guys have heard me kind of 4 soliloquize like this in the past, and I apologize if 5 it's coming off in any way pedantic. 6 I'm not trying to be a Design Number 6 is going to read 7 incredibly flat. Design Number 6 is going to be -- 8 it's a great -- no design in these portfolios -- I 9 won't say incredibly flat, that's bad wording. No 10 design in this portfolio is submitted without thinking 11 it's absolutely the best candidate to submit to both 12 committees for review and the Secretary to sign, for 13 the American people, for the stakeholders, for all of 14 us as Americans. 15 But I just think Design Number 3 16 aesthetically is going to give you a much more eye- 17 catching coin than Design -- Design 3 than Design 6. 18 Design 6 is eminently doable, but just something to 19 consider. 20 boundaries. 21 22 I apologize if I'm overstepping my THE CHAIRMAN: appreciate your comments. No, Joe, really do Wes, I see that you have www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 102 1 2 your hand raised, as well. MR. HAMBRICK: Yeah, I'll just start by 3 also apologizing if I'm overstepping my boundaries. 4 One thing that sort of occurred to me over the last 5 several minutes, while we've been talking through 6 this, is that at least if the experts are on, you 7 know, they can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as 8 I know the Space Shuttle Mission has been retired many 9 years ago and, you know, there's no Space Shuttle 10 11 being launched for the foreseeable future. You know, I think when it comes to 12 these two designs, one looks like it's the past and 13 one looks like it's the present and potentially the 14 future, as well, and I think, you know, to Joe's part 15 about the artistic element, it sort of speaks more 16 broadly about that in general, versus one sort of 17 looks to me like sort of a snapshot about something 18 that was great, but it has concluded, unfortunately. 19 20 THE CHAIRMAN: Wes, thank you very much for your comments again, very much appreciated. 21 So we still have a motion on the table. 22 MS. WARREN: Peter -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 103 1 THE CHAIRMAN: 2 MS. WARREN: 3 6 We have the subject matter expert has his hand up, Mr. McGee. 4 5 Yes. THE CHAIRMAN: see that. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't Mr. McGee, please. MR. MCGEE: I just wanted to quickly 7 chime in and thank the fellow subject matter experts 8 for their thoughts, and I agree that I very much like 9 the imagery in Number 3, but I feel that there's 10 something extremely compelling about Number 6, and 11 that sometimes the most important history, the most 12 important stories of innovation and technology, aren't 13 always the most artistically excited. 14 We can find a way to convey a complex 15 notion that's really grounded in a particular place, 16 the way the Mission Control is in Houston, that's a 17 story worth telling, and I think even if it may not 18 pop as much as the astronaut -- astronauts are a dime 19 a dozen, to be honest, and even though we don't launch 20 Space Shuttles anymore, this is a visualization of a 21 long and broken trend that's continued out of Houston, 22 60 years, that will continue to be the center of our www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 104 1 space operations for decades to come. 2 I think that's a very valuable 3 interesting story. 4 imagery of humans and computers and mission objectives 5 interactic, and that's what makes Houston special. 6 That's what makes the complexity of space life 7 special. 8 9 The way you tell that is with the So I like 6. I understand astronauts are exciting, but frankly, astronauts don't put things 10 in space. Computers put things in space, systems put 11 things in space, Houston puts things in space. 12 That's my -- thank you. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 MS. WARREN: 15 16 Thank you. And Peter, I believe April wanted to say something. MS. STAFFORD: Well, I just wanted to 17 thank Mr. McGee. We, of course, appreciate your 18 technical input. And you can see how much passion and 19 discussion around something like this, you know, that 20 it yields, but I just, you know, wanted to echo what 21 our legal counsel, Greg Weinman, said earlier, and 22 just, you know, note that we have our representative www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 105 1 from the governor's office and, you know, we have an 2 official representative, liaison, stakeholder, in the 3 governor, and I do believe they have stated their 4 preference of 3. 5 necessary to reiterate that. 6 have any specific technical issues, Mr. McGee, we'll 7 absolutely call on you before the deliberations 8 conclude. 9 And certainly, if we That was it, Chairman. 10 11 So I just wanted -- I felt it was THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, April, a point well taken. 12 Okay. So we still have a motion on the 13 table to proceed with an up/down vote on Number 3 and 14 Number 6. 15 3, please raise your hand, your virtual hand. So again, those in favor of Design Number 16 MS. WARREN: 17 THE CHAIRMAN: 18 MS. WARREN: 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 MS. WARREN: 21 22 once, calling twice? We have one. Okay. Two. Okay, two. Anybody else? Calling Two. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. All right, so a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 106 1 total of two. 2 please raise your virtual hand. 3 Those in favor of Design Number 6, MS. WARREN: I have four, which means 4 we only have six people voting. 5 came up, so that's seven people voting. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: Oh, five. Okay. One just So based on our 7 up/down vote, it would seem that the recommendation of 8 the CCAC would be Design Number 6. 9 further discussion on that? 10 MS. WARREN: Is there any Donald, do you have your 11 hand up from before, or you're asking to be 12 recognized? I think he's frozen. 13 THE CHAIRMAN: 14 MS. WARREN: 15 18 19 I will lower his hand for him. 16 17 Yeah, I believe he is. MR. SCARINCI: Yeah, I'm trying to take my hand -MS. WARREN: I took care of it for you. This is Jennifer. 20 MR. SCARINCI: Tried to take my hand -- 21 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. 22 further motions? Okay. So are there any If there are none, then our www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 107 1 discussion on that has concluded, and I would like to 2 take a moment to express our appreciations to our 3 liaisons for attending today. 4 Wes and Andrew McGee, for participating and for your 5 many useful and very insightful comments. 6 do appreciate your input. 7 Thank you very much, We really We will now take a 15-minute recess 8 break, something that I think is very well deserved, 9 and we will return to continue the rest of our agenda 10 items for consideration, when we return, and the time 11 right now is 2:18 p.m. 12 MS. WARREN: This is Jennifer. If we 13 could get back a little bit earlier, like 2:30, that 14 would be good, because we are running behind schedule. 15 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Let's do that. Let's be back at 2:30, please. 17 MS. WARREN: Great, thank you. 18 (Off the record.) 19 THE CHAIRMAN: We are back from recess. 20 The next item on the agenda today is our review and 21 discussion of design options for the 2026 22 Semiquincentennial One Cent and Five Cent Coins. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 The Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 108 1 Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act authorized 2 the Secretary to change the design on any of the 3 authorized circulating coins minted for issuance 4 during the one-year period beginning January 1, 2026, 5 in celebration of the United States 6 semiquincentennial. 7 April Stafford, along with Russ Evans, will now walk 8 us through the design options for the one cent and 9 five cent coins for this one-year program. 10 11 12 This is our 250th birthday. We will first review the design options for the one cent coin. April, please. MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. So as part 13 of the semiquincentennial program, a number of coins 14 will be redesigned, but a decision was made fairly 15 early on for various production reasons, that the 16 penny and the nickel's designs will remain the same. 17 However, in order to ensure that both 18 of these coins fold into the suite of coins offered in 19 2026, there are some options in terms of including 20 elements that reflect the 250th anniversary, the 21 semiquincentennial, and we would love it if you would 22 let us know the Committee's thoughts on this. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 109 1 For your awareness, the CFA did 2 consider these same options being presented to you, 3 and they recommended the date range for both the one 4 cent and five cent coins, so that would be Option 1. 5 All right. So we'll start with the 6 options. Just a reminder, this is what the penny and 7 the nickel currently look like. 8 cent. 9 we'll go to the options for the 2026 one cent. So that's the one And if we can -- that's the five cents, and This 10 is Option 1, showing the date range. Option 2 is a 11 Liberty Bell shaped privy mark, with the numbers 250 12 inside. 13 mark. 14 left and the date range on the right. 15 option is another version of the combined date range 16 and privy mark, with the privy mark being centered in 17 between 1776 and 2026. Option 3 is a combined date range and privy This is Version A, with the privy mark on the 18 And the last Moving onto the options for the five 19 cents, there are three options. Again here, you have 20 the date range, Option 1. 21 again, the Liberty Bell shaped privy mark, with the 22 number 250. Option 2 is the privy mark, And lastly, a combination of the date www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 110 1 range and privy mark. 2 We did share with the CFA that they 3 might want to consider differentiating their 4 recommendation between the one cent and the five cent, 5 so that these coins could still have a unique presence 6 in the semiquincentennial, but they felt strongly that 7 the date range options for both was more suitable. 8 9 Okay, Mr. Chairman, that concludes the options. 10 THE CHAIRMAN: April, thank you very 11 much. 12 then from the Committee about this program or the 13 design options, before we begin our general 14 discussion? 15 So are there any technical or legal questions MS. WARREN: Peter, this is Jennifer 16 Warren. 17 conversation on both of them at the same time, or you 18 can still talk on the penny and then the nickel. 19 just with time, I don't know how you want to do it, 20 but I just wanted to bring that up. 21 22 So since they showed both, you may have the THE CHAIRMAN: appreciate that, Jennifer. It's Yeah, and I very much We are behind schedule, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 111 1 thanks to our very robust conversations with the 2 previous portfolios, so I would encourage us to 3 discuss both the one cent and five cent options 4 concurrently. 5 raised. 6 So John, I see that your hand is MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you. John 7 Saunders here. First question is kind of a legal 8 question. 9 completely new design of reverse, or was it only Did we have the option of doing a 10 making minor changes like this? 11 the option of doing a completely different design, how 12 was the matter settled? 13 MR. WEINMAN: And if we did have Let me answer the legal 14 question, then turn it over to April Stafford for the 15 second part. 16 redesigned the penny, yes, we had the legal option. 17 But April will take it, I think, from there and can 18 tell you what the process was and how we got to this 19 decision. 20 The answer is legally we could of MS. STAFFORD: Sure. And this actually 21 had been shared previously with the CCAC. 22 some conversations internal to the Mint about both www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 There was Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 112 1 financial and manufacturing constraints. 2 not to exacerbate any existing issues, the decision 3 was made internally to mitigate the circumstances, 4 mitigate risks, out of the one cent and the five cent, 5 and stay with the current design, but add something to 6 it that could still make it comport with the 7 semiquincentennial celebration. 8 9 And in order So all of the options you see in front of you were tested by the team in Philadelphia, to 10 ensure that it would not exacerbate any existing 11 financial or production issues. 12 13 THE CHAIRMAN: you very much. 14 15 All right, April. Thank Greg, you as well. MS. WARREN: Kellen has his hand raised, as well. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: 17 Kellen, please, go ahead. 18 MR. HOARD: All right, thank you. Thank you. I had two quick 19 questions here. One, for the first combined design on 20 the one cent coin, the privy mark looks different to 21 me than it does on the privy mark alone, and the 22 second combined design. Are they different or is that www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 113 1 just kind of how it looks? 2 of look more incuse. 3 I think the other two kind MR. COSTELLO: This is Mike Costello. 4 Yes, on the actual penny themselves, it will not be 5 incused. 6 be more like the first design you had there, that's 7 actually part of the surface. 8 rendered. It's just a render depicting that. 9 MR. HOARD: It will That's how it will be Okay. Thank you. And then 10 the second question was in regard to the nickel. 11 see there's a combined design that has the Liberty 12 Bell in between the dates, the last design, the 13 combined design. 14 where it was the bell above the two dates? 15 Was there consideration of a design MR. COSTELLO: Yes, this is Mike 16 Costello. 17 best to have it in between the dates there. 18 just for spacing, yeah. We did not consider that. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 MS. WARREN: 21 22 I We thought it So -- Thank you very much. We have Chris raising his hand, as well. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, thank you, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 114 1 Jennifer. Chris, please go ahead. 2 DR. CAPOZZOLA: This is Chris 3 Capozzola. Just a quick question, that the privy 4 mark, is that generated at the Mint or is it a visual 5 -- is it a logo or icon that crosses the entire 6 semiquincentennial enterprise, to the extent that 7 people know? 8 9 10 MR. COSTELLO: This is Mike Costello. April, I'm pretty sure this is across the board with the U.S. Mint. 11 MS. STAFFORD: If a privy mark is going 12 to be used on any coin for the 2026 issuances, this 13 would be the version used. 14 MR. WEINMAN: I think Mr. Capozzola's 15 question is whether or not this is related -- this 16 goes beyond the Mint. 17 by -- Is this something being used 18 MR. CAPOZZOLA: 19 coming for the record the Semiquincentennial 20 Commission or any other entity? 21 22 MS. STAFFORD: Precisely. Is it No, it was generated by the United States Mint for this program. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 115 1 MR. CAPOZZOLA: 2 MS. STAFFORD: 3 Thank you, Greg. 4 Thank you. Sorry. Thank you. I apologize. THE CHAIRMAN: Very good. 5 any further questions before we begin our 6 considerations? 7 MS. WARREN: Are there This is Jennifer Warren, 8 because I have a question so I'm going to make sure 9 it's clarified. They do not have to pick the same 10 privy mark for the same -- for both penny and the 11 nickel. They can be different privy marks; correct? 12 MS. STAFFORD: It can be different 13 options for the one cent and the five cent, and it's 14 up to the Committee, but there is something to be 15 considered to make them different, so that the one 16 cent and five cent can be differentiated in and of 17 themselves. 18 Thank you. Yes, Jen. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. 19 All right. So let's begin our consideration. 20 I'd like to try to remember or remind everybody to 21 keep your comments short and, in fact, since we are 22 behind schedule, would encourage you to keep your www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Again, Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 116 1 comments as brief as possible, say to two minutes or 2 less, if you can. 3 your name as you begin your comments. 4 with Donald Scarinci. 5 And also, please, again, do state MR. SCARINCI: We will begin I think this is a 6 relatively simply exercise. I mean, I'm assuming 7 everyone would agree that whatever we do with the 8 penny, we should also do with the five cents, since 9 these are the only two coins that are going to have 10 this designation. 11 And if so, you know, I think my preference would be 12 privy mark on the Lincoln penny and the privy mark 13 only, and privy mark only on the Jefferson nickel. 14 think the privy mark, it's simple. 15 -- it goes with both. 16 by, you know, 1776 -- 2026, when Abraham Lincoln 17 wasn't even conceived in 1776. 18 by that. 19 The other coins will be redesigned. I It goes with both You know, I'm kind of bothered I'm a little bothered And I think it's a little too cluttered 20 for two relatively small coins. The privy mark does 21 what we need it to do, distinguishes the coins for 22 2026, and distinguishes them in the overall package of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 117 1 new designs. 2 3 That's it. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. 4 All right, Donald. Dennis, please go ahead. MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 5 This is Dennis Tucker. 6 like having 1776. 7 back to our bicentennial coinage, in 1976, and I 8 prefer having those two elements balanced, so you have 9 the dual date on the right and the privy mark on the 10 For the one cent piece, I do The dual date range kind of harkens left, so I prefer Version A for the Lincoln cent. 11 For the five cent piece, the one that 12 is most similar to that would be the one with the date 13 range and the privy mark, so I had a similar question 14 to Kellen's, you know, is there some way we could 15 balance that differently, maybe have the date range 16 together, but with Mike's explanation, I'm fine with 17 the way it is, so those would be my two preferences. 18 Thank you. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: 20 Dennis. 21 be muted. 22 All right. John, please go ahead. MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you, I believe you might Thank you. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I keep Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 118 1 forgetting to do this and having a hell of a time 2 trying to get my hand up or down when trying to do 3 something there. 4 Anyway, this is John Saunders. I'm strongly in favor of having a privy 5 mark between the date, the two dates. The reason why 6 is I think people just see the two dates, they kind of 7 get confused. 8 wasn't Lincoln's birthday. 9 equate pretty quickly that it's the bicentennial, but Like, what's going on here? 1776? It Hopefully everybody would 10 I think having the privy mark between the two let's 11 people know what's going on in a way that's useful for 12 the public. So I like it in between there. 13 14 THE CHAIRMAN: you very much. 15 All right, John. Thank Chris, please. DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right. This is 16 Chris Capozzola, speaking as someone whose first 17 published article was a history of the bicentennial. 18 I'm deeply invested in this and you know my love for 19 the bicentennial quarter. 20 I think it's also a simple issue for 21 me. I picked date range actually, choice 1 in both. 22 Same in the first and the five cent, but it may be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 119 1 clear that I will be outvoted. 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: much. Thank you. Chris, thank you very Kellen, please. 4 MR. HOARD: Thank you. I don't usually 5 like hate things here, but I hate the privy mark in 6 between the dates on both designs. 7 recommend against that. 8 poor, and so where I find myself drawn for the cent is 9 Version A. You know, I would I think it just looks very I do like having the privy mark. I think 10 it's, you know, kind of a very neat and unique thing, 11 you know, quarter millennium in, but I also really 12 like the date range. 13 I cannot tell you the number of 14 collectors or non-collectors, for that matter, who 15 have come to me, who have found a bicentennial quarter 16 with the double dates, and are thrilled to learn more. 17 I mean, truly, having the two dates there is what 18 makes them more curious about numismatics. 19 to come and explore, understand and learn more about 20 coins and American history, understand -- it's an 21 unusual thing they don't usually see, and they're 22 excited about it. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 They want Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 120 1 So I think the double date has its own, 2 you know, really great merit in that regard, but we 3 can even distinguish it further with that privy mark 4 on the one cent, Version A. 5 the privy mark in that weird spacing in between. 6 On the nickel, again, I also like I'd just rather not have 7 having both. I just really don't like the privy mark 8 in between, so if it's possible, you know, spacing- 9 wise, to have the privy mark on top and then the 10 double date, I think that is, you know, with a line 11 nicely between the two coins, have both elements that 12 are going to be intriguing to the public and to 13 collectors. 14 You know, not to even -- that this 15 should be our main weight adjustment, but would make 16 news. 17 changing, these are exciting, look out for these in 18 your pockets, because they have not only double dates 19 but also, you know, kind of these multiple different 20 elements that are exciting for the public and 21 collectors alike, to understand enough history to see 22 the tie-back, so if it's possible for the five cent I mean, just like about hey, these coins are www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 121 1 coin, I vote for one that had the privy mark and the 2 double date, but the privy mark swapped out. 3 That's it for me. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 much. Thank you. Kellen, thank you very Mike, please. 6 MR. MORAN: Thank you, Peter. I like 7 the privy mark behind Lincoln on the penny, with the 8 dual date, but I don't like the placement of the privy 9 mark on the nickel at all, unless it's just there on a 10 single date, and I really believe that we need to have 11 the dual date. 12 In addition, when you look at the 13 penny, as well as the nickel, the dual date is just 14 crisp, clean, simple. 15 particularly for the American public, will they even 16 get that Liberty Bell or can see it on the nickel or 17 the penny, whether they will really recognize what is 18 involved there. 19 But if you see the dual date, maybe they can do the 20 math still, to figure that one out. 21 22 And I would question, They certainly won't see the 250. I'm going to vote for the dual date, plain and simple, just like Chris. It will be two of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 122 1 us. 2 3 4 THE CHAIRMAN: much. Mike, thank you very Annelisa, your turn, please. MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 5 This is Annelisa Purdie. For the penny, I'm torn 6 between the privy mark with one date, and the privy 7 mark with the date range. 8 Version B would be combined date range and the privy 9 mark, solely as to distinguish the fact that this is a The reason why I'm drawn to 10 celebratory coin and not that Abraham Lincoln lived 11 for five centuries, which may be necessary in some 12 cases, but the one cent privy mark design, with just 13 the one date, also works, as well. 14 It's very streamlined. 15 It's very clean. I'm not enthused about any of the 16 nickel designs actually, I think because of the 17 overall design of the Jefferson nickel as it is. 18 There's already going to be some issues in terms of 19 crowding, and all of these designs, as presented, have 20 -- seem to have that issue. 21 22 The one I dislike the least is the first one, with the date range and no privy mark, but www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 123 1 none of these particular designs enthuse me. 2 that the idea of the privy mark works even less 3 effectively on the nickel than it does on the penny. 4 Thank you. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: All right, thank you 6 very much. 7 I'm not a fan at all of the privy mark. 8 find it particular compelling or attractive. 9 I think For my own comments, I have to say that I just don't I do think that the date 1776 is rather 10 iconic, and it's a dual date range presentation here, 11 I do find rather -- as Mike put it, crisp, clean and 12 simple, and would very much prefer to have something 13 that is crisp, clean and simple in that regard. 14 15 So my recommendation would be that we join with the CFA and just keep the simple date range. 16 That said, do we have any additional 17 comments or motions at this time? 18 ahead. 19 MR. TUCKER: Dennis, please, go Thank you, Mr. Chair. 20 This is Dennis Tucker. This is, I think, a question 21 for April Stafford. 22 used on other coins that are being redesigned, the Will the privy mark element be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 124 1 dime, the quarters, and half dollar? 2 MS. STAFFORD: Well, that is something 3 certainly that we would have the Committees weigh in 4 on. 5 they were developed. 6 to be said, that if the designs themselves convey 7 things about the semiquincentennial, that there would 8 not necessarily be a need for a privy mark. 9 again, we would defer to the CCAC and the CFA on that. 10 But we would not include them in the designs, as I believe that there's something But I do know that when we talk about the 11 best of the Mint, Gold Coin and Silver Medal Program, 12 I think actually that's next on the agenda, the idea 13 would be that this privy mark would show up on the 14 companion silver medals, but that would be because we 15 would want to ensure that the connection to the 16 semiquincentennial was clear, and make that something 17 that didn't need to be communicated in the designs 18 themselves, if that makes sense. 19 MR. TUCKER: 20 THE CHAIRMAN: 21 22 Thank you. Thank you. comments or motions at this time? MR. HOARD: Any other Kellen, please. Just quickly, I was www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 125 1 wondering from the design staff, whether they thought 2 the 250 on the privy mark would be readable? 3 MR. MENNA: If I may, Mike? We would 4 not -- I don't mean this in any contentious way. 5 Kellen, it wouldn't have been submitted if we didn't 6 -- if we weren't confident in that. 7 the exception of, you know, the incusing being a 8 placeholder for what you see on the bottom left, being 9 -- off the surface, as Mike said, everything here is 10 You always, with eminently readable and eminently doable. 11 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. I see that 12 Dennis and Dufour both raised their hands, I believe 13 simultaneously. 14 Dufour, I'll let you speak first. MR. WOOLFLEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 15 Just wanted to make one further point of clarification 16 on the matter that you'll be reviewing later in the 17 meeting. 18 coins that will be struck for the Best of the Mint 19 Series, as well. 20 21 22 The privy mark is also intended in the gold THE CHAIRMAN: that. Thank you very much for Dennis, please. MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 126 1 This is Dennis Tucker. 2 the United States Mint did not have a chief engraver, 3 so we're very fortunate to not only have someone 4 holding that office, but someone who is very well 5 qualified, and I think we would all agree, one of the 6 greatest chief engravers in the Mint's history. 7 For a while in recent memory, So I wonder if it would be appropriate 8 if we could ask Joe Menna his opinion of these 9 designs, with the privy mark. Joe, do you like it? 10 guess you could just boil it down that simply. 11 that's not appropriate, I understand. 12 MR. MENNA: I If No, I'm just -- honestly, I 13 don't want to seem stupid and make my boss think I'm 14 like an idiot, but you just made me pretty emotional, 15 Dennis, because for you to say that means a lot to me. 16 I appreciate it, and I don't think it's true. 17 ambition. 18 It's my Honestly, we worked as a -- yeah, I 19 think every one of these -- I think we presented these 20 as candidates. 21 worked with Mike. 22 worked with the rest of the team to consolidate a We tried to make a variety. I worked under Mike. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Mike -- I Mike and I Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 127 1 variety of options for the Committees to choose from. 2 We believe that -- Mike, correct me if I'm wrong, 3 every option is an equally viable option for this 4 particular program, and celebrating the 5 semiquincentennial and the fact that we're two blocks 6 from the Liberty Bell. 7 So I have to say -- THE CHAIRMAN: Point taken. 8 Any other comments, questions, before -- 9 MR. MENNA: Thank you. Peter, if I may? 10 THE CHAIRMAN: 11 MR. MENNA: Yes. Dennis, if I had it my way, 12 I'd have the Rocky statue on here, you know what I 13 mean, so it's just -- 14 THE CHAIRMAN: That's great. 15 you. 16 I would suggest is that we score both the one cent and 17 the five cent coin simultaneously and see where that 18 puts us with all of that. 19 send your scores to Greg and we will take a five- 20 minute break and return and see where we are with all 21 this. 22 Any other further discussion? Thank MS. WARREN: All right. What So if you could, please, If you guys can do it www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 128 1 faster, we'll come back faster. 2 (Off the record.) 3 MS. WARREN: 4 Okay, we have a thumbs up. You can go ahead. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. We are back 6 and I recognize Greg Weiman, counsel to the CCAC, to 7 present the results from the scoring sheets. 8 please. 9 MR. WEINMAN: Greg, First among the cents, 10 the first one with the date range, received 13 out of 11 the possible 24. 12 got six. The combined A got ten and the combined B 13 got six. So the high scoring was the first one with 14 the date range. 15 The second one with the privy mark When it comes to the five cents, again, 16 the date range got 13 points. 17 The combined, eight, so in both cases the high scoring 18 submission was the date range. 19 20 THE CHAIRMAN: very much. 21 22 The privy mark, five. Wonderful. Thank you Are there any motions? MR. WEINMAN: It can stand as is, if you like. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 129 1 THE CHAIRMAN: Happy to let it stand as 2 is, unless you have any further discussion or any 3 motions? 4 5 I move we adopt the date THE CHAIRMAN: All right. range for both. 6 7 MR. SAUNDERS: John. Thank you, Is there a second? 8 MR. MORAN: Second. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you, 10 Mike. All those in favor of adopting the date range 11 for both the one cent and the five cent coin, please 12 say aye. 13 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 14 THE CHAIRMAN: 15 Are there any opposed? Any abstain? 16 17 Aye. MS. WARREN: Donald, are you voting aye or no, or you have a question? You're muted, so -- 18 MR. SCARINCI: I'm voting aye. 19 THE CHAIRMAN: Great, wonderful. 20 you. 21 thank you very much for all of this. 22 Thank It would seem then that the motion passed, so Okay. So now onto our next order of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 130 1 business. 2 now walk us through the design options -- oh, no, 3 sorry. 4 order of business, is the discussion of future themes 5 for the platinum proof coins. 6 provide some background before we begin the 7 discussion. Reading wrong page here. 8 9 April Stafford, along with Russ Evans, will This is the next April Stafford will So, April, if you would, please? MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. So we are seeking this Committee's input on the American Eagle 10 Platinum Proof Coin Program, specifically on two 11 points. 12 the next series in the Platinum Proof Program should 13 be, and the second is to collect any suggestions that 14 you might have for additional themes or concepts for 15 this program that we can bring together to create a 16 pool of potential themes for future Platinum Proof 17 programs. 18 The first is a recommendation regarding what So you may know that the current 19 series, the First Amendment of the United States 20 Constitution, was launched in 2021, and it concludes 21 in 2025. 22 a metaphor, signifying how each of the five freedoms It depicts the life cycle of an oak tree as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 131 1 that are enumerated in the First Amendment, contribute 2 to the growth and development of our nation. 3 2025 Right to Petition coin will be the final 4 installment in this series. 5 So the So regarding the question as to what 6 should be the next series for this program, initially 7 we were considering a one-year theme for 2026, to 8 coincide and commemorate the semiquincentennial. 9 after conversations we've had with a variety of But 10 stakeholders, including subject matter experts that we 11 are working with at the Library of Congress, and the 12 National Archives, as well as the CCAC 13 Semiquincentennial Work Group, we identified the 14 opportunity to offer potentially a three-year series, 15 starting in 2026, tentatively called the Charters of 16 Freedom, which would -- which would honor in a three- 17 year installment, the founding documents of the 18 Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and 19 the Bill of Rights. 20 Through this theme we could absolutely 21 in 2026 connect with and commemorate the 22 semiquincentennial by honoring the 250th anniversary www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 132 1 of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, 2 while then going on to year two and three in the 3 program, and looking at the other two founding 4 documents. 5 So that is the first question on the 6 table. 7 proposal, we would ask if you have other suggested 8 themes and concepts for this program, either for 2026 9 or out years, we would very much appreciate them. 10 And then, again, after feedback on that that's it, Mr. Chairman. 11 12 So THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you very much, April. 13 So let's first have some consideration 14 discussion then about this Charters of Freedom 15 proposal. 16 and, again, I would ask you to keep your comments as 17 brief as possible, and again, just state your name as 18 you begin your comments. 19 please. 20 21 22 Again, we will just do this individually So let's begin with John, MR. SAUNDERS: here. Okay. John Saunders I'm off of mute, got it right this time. Anyway, I like the idea of 2026 being www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 133 1 the semiquincentennial. 2 Constitution on the back of it. 3 about whether it's a three-year program or not. 4 know, I believe the other semiquincentennial -- did I 5 say that right -- are one year, so I'm not opposed to 6 this being three years, but I'm not opposed to it 7 being one year either. 8 comment on that. 9 I like the idea of having the I'm kind of neutral And I guess this is only for I do have a comment about a possible 10 theme, which I can give you later when it's 11 appropriate. 12 13 14 You THE CHAIRMAN: much, John. Great. Thank you very Chris, your comments, please? DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right, this is 15 Chris Capozzola. 16 opportunity here to be part of the broader 17 semiquincentennial conversation is really valuable, 18 and I think it would be extremely important to do so. 19 I think, similarly, I think the I also had a sense that, unlike the 20 bicentennial celebrations in the 20th century, which 21 did continue until the bicentennial of the 22 ratification of the Constitution, my sense is that the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 134 1 celebrations for the semiq are really focused on 2026, 2 which makes an argument for -- for just, for 3 just hitting it all in one -- at one time. 4 know that that goes against the, you know, kind of the 5 approach of the Eagle Platinum Proof Coin Program, 6 which is to take a theme across multiple years. 7 8 So I'm openly torn on this issue, I think, like John. 9 10 Although I THE CHAIRMAN: very much. 11 All right. Thank you Donald, your comments? MR. SCARINCI: So I collect this 12 series, of course, and I think it's a great series. 13 like the three founding documents idea, starting in 14 1776, with the Declaration of Independence. 15 it will make a nice adjunct -- 16 I think THE CHAIRMAN: Donald, I think you're MR. SCARINCI: Whoops. 20 THE CHAIRMAN: There you go. 21 MR. SCARINCI: So I think people who 17 frozen. 18 19 22 I How's that? Is that better? see the founding documents or who become interested as www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 135 1 a result of the coin redesigns in ' 26, you know, 2 might have some additional interest in the next two 3 platinum coins. 4 every year, except the first year, did a series. 5 is a great series. 6 Declaration of Independence, and I would recommend 7 that we go in that direction. 8 9 So I like the series. This It's a nice adjunct to the THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. 10 We just about All right, Donald. Dennis, your comments, please? MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 11 This is Dennis Tucker. 12 program is strongly associated with your design 13 series. 14 could be a standalone theme for 2026, but I think my 15 preference would be for having the three-year Charters 16 of Freedom. This I think that the Declaration of Independence Thank you. 17 18 I agree with Donald. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. 19 All right, Dennis. Kellen, your comments, please? MR. HOARD: I thank you. This is 20 Kellen Hoard. I'm okay with the Charters of 21 Independence. I have no strong feelings really either 22 direction. The one concern I kind of would raise is www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 136 1 that the Declaration of Independence, I mean, we just 2 finished -- the Platinum Program was just preamble to 3 the Declaration of Independence for 2018 and 2020, so 4 we kind of tread over the Declaration of Independence 5 theme, I think, already, and there's room to explore 6 more avenues. 7 We had a U.S. Constitution 8 commemorative coin. We had a Bill of Rights 9 commemorative coin. This has been featured in the 10 U.S. Mint's work, and, you know, especially with the 11 Declaration of Independence, quite recently we have 12 featured these documents. 13 So, you know, it's okay but I think 14 it's kind of a retread in some ways, and there's so 15 much room for, you know, different ideas, that I'd be 16 inclined if there were other more compelling ones, to 17 pursue those. 18 I do have one idea, which even I'm like 19 -- I'm like a seven out of ten. 20 later, but in terms of the documents themselves, it 21 just wasn't particularly breaking new ground to me. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: I'll bring that up Wonderful. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you, Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 137 1 Kellen. Mike, your comments, please? 2 MR. MORAN: 3 Mike Moran. 4 and the three documents. THE CHAIRMAN: you. This is I'm going to endorse Donald, three years 5 6 Thank you, Peter. Keeping it brief, thank Annelisa, your comments? 7 MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 8 This is Annelisa Purdie. I also think that three 9 years for each of the three documents would allow us 10 more time to look at different avenues for design, to 11 see if there's something that we haven't explored yet, 12 or that may be more compelling, as well, and see what 13 opportunities are there. 14 Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: All right, thank you. 15 And I'll just weigh in here, in saying that I too 16 would think that three years and three documents would 17 be perfectly fine, as well. 18 So April, I do have a question for you 19 at the moment. I know that you're seeking some input 20 and would you like a resolution from us? 21 help? 22 useful enough? Would that Or are the comments that you've heard so far www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 138 1 MS. STAFFORD: So if it's okay, I'll 2 ask Greg Weiman if he feels that it needs to be 3 formalized in some way. 4 the detailed information that you gave individually 5 gives us the input that was required. 6 Otherwise, for us, I think MR. WEINMAN: 7 formalized. 8 for themselves. 9 Greg? This does not need to be The transcript, the minutes, will speak THE CHAIRMAN: Wonderful. 11 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: So we will then move on 10 13 Thank you very much. to the second -- 14 MS. WARREN: Wait, Peter. This is 15 Jennifer. 16 ideas. 17 ideas are for future consideration or we do that in 18 another meeting at another time? 19 20 I don't know if -- there was two other I don't know if April wants to hear what those THE CHAIRMAN: Will that be part of the theme discussion that we're about to have? 21 MS. WARREN: 22 were moving onto the Best. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I thought you Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 139 1 THE CHAIRMAN: No, no, not yet. Just 2 moving onto the second part of the Platinum Series, 3 which is the discussion of themes. 4 have any comments before we begin consideration of -- 5 6 MS. STAFFORD: April, did you No, sir, just thank you. Appreciate the feedback, yes. 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. So we will have 8 some discussion now of possible themes for the 9 Platinum Series, and again, we'll just go individually 10 and, again, we'll ask you to keep your recommendations 11 brief and, again, please state your name before we 12 begin. 13 Annelisa's ideas first. I am going to reverse the order and ask for I think you're muted. 14 MS. PURDIE: Is it on? 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 MS. PURDIE: There you go. No ideas at the moment. 17 I'm still thinking about the general concept, but when 18 they arise, they will come, so I'll stand down at the 19 moment. 20 21 22 Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Mike, any ideas? MR. MORAN: I agree with Annelisa. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 The Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 140 1 well is dry here. 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Kellen, I know that you had an idea. 4 MR. HOARD: Yeah. In the realm of the 5 three-year series, and something that I don't think 6 has been done before, would be something along the 7 lines of like a government of the people, a government 8 by the people, a government for the people. 9 you have that kind of, you know, three-section thing. You know, 10 I think you trace it -- I mean, you can trace those 11 ideals and principles back to 1776, articulated in the 12 1860s by Lincoln, so you're tracing history in that 13 way, and of continued relevance in 2026, as we 14 continually seek to improve on all of those three 15 metrics. 16 They allow -- diversity in design, 17 allows the artists of the Mint to kind of come up with 18 a variety of different ideas, not just around, you 19 know, pieces of paper, but around concepts, and I 20 think artistic ones, at that, and how that manifests 21 in different ways, more tangible and more abstract 22 ways. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 141 1 2 So I'd be interested in seeing something in a theme along those lines. 3 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Wonderful. Thank you. Dennis, did you have any ideas? 5 MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 6 This is Dennis Tucker. 7 then I think we can discuss all of this in further 8 detail later. 9 I'll just toss these out and In the early 2000s, this program had a 10 Vistas of Liberty Series, that showed eagles flying 11 over different scenic landscapes, representing 12 different parts of the United States. 13 that theme has been played out, or if there's more 14 opportunity there. 15 I wonder if I know that Dr. Brown, if he was still 16 among our body, would probably want to see some sort 17 of urban depiction, rather than the natural 18 landscapes. 19 since we're looking at the past with recent coinage 20 programs, and our discussion of the foundations of our 21 nation, maybe look to the future for the next program, 22 whether that's space or some other way to capture the So that's one concept. And then maybe www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 142 1 concept of America in the future. 2 general concept there. Just kind of a 3 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: 5 Thank you, Dennis. Donald, would you have any ideas? 6 MR. SCARINCI: Yeah, there's tons of 7 things we can do with this series, and that's the 8 great part of the series. 9 three branches of government, you know, the Article I, We could do, you know, the 10 II and III. 11 guess people are coming up from the beach. 12 goes on the internet at the same time around here. 13 Yeah, everybody must be on their -- I Everybody So yeah, we could a lot of -- we could 14 a lot of things with this. We could also, you know, 15 talk about, you know, we haven't done much with the 16 Continental Congress. 17 chairs of the First and Second Continental Congress. 18 We could do, you know, something about the Continental 19 Congress, and the Articles of Confederation. 20 know, leading up to -- leading up to, you know, the 21 Convention of 1776. 22 Constitution. You know, we could do the You You know, resulting in the We could do -- so there's tons of -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 143 1 you know, and -- you know, and I like the way the 2 artists are handling this. 3 artistic renditions. 4 know, they're going into abstraction, to represent 5 some of these themes. 6 They're giving us really They're giving us abstract, you You know, I think this current series 7 of the Oak tree, you know, just really kind of sets 8 the bar, kind of raises the bar, sets a new bar, for 9 this series. 10 You know, there's a lot of interesting things we could do ahead. 11 So, you know, that being said, 12 that's -- you know, for now I would go with the three. 13 It give us some time to think this through a little 14 bit more for what happens after the three, you know, 15 and to do a one of, you know, keeps the -- keeps the 16 pressure on immediately. 17 To decide three, gives the Mint and the 18 artists a lot of time to really come up with some of 19 these, you know, incredible designs in this very 20 under-collected, overlooked series. 21 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Donald. Wonderful. Chris, do you have any ideas? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Thank you, Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 144 1 DR. CAPOZZOLA: All right. This is 2 Chris Capozzola. 3 ideas, with a caveat that they might be terrible 4 ideas, artistically unrealizable. 5 you know, I don't know the full numismatics history, 6 so they may have been done before, but let me just 7 toss them out. 8 I have -- I'm going to give you five They might -- as Number one, the Four Freedoms, as 9 articulated by Franklin Roosevelt, in his explanation, 10 I think would be extremely collectible, if that hasn't 11 already been done, someone should get on that right 12 away. 13 Second, this is very hard to do, but, 14 you know, freedom is not just freedom from things that 15 you have to do, but also freedom to do things that are 16 part of the obligations of citizenship, that may run 17 from voting to jury service to paying taxes. 18 is gg to buy a coin about paying your taxes, but let 19 me just at least put that on the table. 20 No one Third, if we're looking for sort of 21 critical texts that guarantee liberty and that have, 22 you know, kind of iconic status, the most important in www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 145 1 many ways is Section 1 of the 14th Amendment. 2 very hard to put into artistic fashion, but -- and 3 that would include birthright citizenship, privileges 4 and immunities, due process and equal protection. 5 Again, Fourth, another kind of trilogy of kind 6 of key sort of moments of liberty, come in the 1960s, 7 with the near simultaneous adoption of the Civil 8 Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and the Immigration 9 and Nationality Act, that could sort of make for a 10 great sort of late 20th century Charter of Freedom. 11 And then finally, another way of 12 thinking about freedom is the arts and creative 13 expression, which, you know, we move astronauts maybe 14 a lot, but we could also make room for music, film, 15 dance, painting, you know, whatever those might be, 16 right, that sort of expressions of liberty and 17 creativity that are part of the American tradition. 18 19 20 THE CHAIRMAN: you very much. Chris, fantastic. Thank John, any ideas? MR. SAUNDERS: Yes. Again, the idea 21 that came from Donald that was talking about Space 22 Shuttles taking off from Florida and landing www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 146 1 somewhere, I think space would be a great theme to do, 2 whether it's historical achievements and/or future 3 dreams, landing on Mars, and so forth, for several 4 reasons. 5 One is, you know, it's something that 6 most Americans feel proud of and like, I mean, as 7 divided as the country is today, I'm sure there's some 8 people out there against space exploration, but 9 probably very few. 10 Secondly, from the marketing viewpoint, 11 the Mint needs to sell these things. 12 coin. 13 people that collect space stuff, so -- or anything to 14 do with space. 15 Mint's marketing, as well, and it's a theme, okay. 16 we're talking freedom, we have the soaring eagle. 17 know, the soaring Space Shuttle or, you know, the 18 correct rockets going to space, is pretty -- pretty 19 symbolic of freedom, as well, so I like that as a 20 theme. 21 22 Platinum is expensive. It's a platinum And there's a lot of So I think it would help with the If You As a fallback or something future, kind of following up on what Chris will say, maybe we do www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 147 1 the muses, you know, for the art program, to have 2 which -- reason -- which one you pick as opposed to, 3 you know, you can't pick everything. 4 So those are my two thoughts on it, but 5 the space one would be the one I would be supporting 6 for the next program, either after one year or three 7 years of the Bicentennial Program. 8 9 THE CHAIRMAN: you, John. All right, great. Thank I think that we've given April plenty of 10 ideas to mull over for the next little while, and I 11 don't think that we necessarily have to 12 discussion at the moment. 13 have a I know that we do have a break 14 scheduled between this agenda item and our next agenda 15 item, but I would suggest that we just push on, since 16 we are a bit behind schedule. 17 So we will then take up our next agenda 18 item, Dufour Woolfley, from Sales and Marketing will 19 present the background on the 2026 Best of the Mint 20 Series. 21 22 Dufour. MS. STAFFORD: Did you want me to read this information into the record real quick, before www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 148 1 handing off to you or -- 2 3 MR. WOOLFLEY: That will be fine. MS. STAFFORD: So really quickly, this Thank you. 4 5 is information on this program. 6 commemoration of the semiquincentennial of our 7 nation's founding in 2026, the Mint plans to release 8 the "Best of the Mint" 24-Karat Gold Coin Program. 9 This will be a one-year series, featuring historic 10 As part of its designs from the last 250 years of U.S. coinage. 11 The Mint identifies the coins in this 12 program after consulting with numismatic experts and 13 soliciting input from the public. 14 coins in uncirculated finish will be released over the 15 course of 2026 in fractional formats, approximating 16 the size of the original coins. 17 ounce, quarter ounce, tenth ounce. 18 These 24-Karat gold One ounce, half The coins will faithfully represent the 19 historic designs and feature their original dates of 20 issue. 21 coins will bear a special semiquincentennial privy 22 mark featuring the Liberty Bell and the numerals 250, To indicate that these are 2026 issuances, the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 149 1 as Dufour shared earlier. 2 As mentioned, we will also release five 3 companion silver medals featuring new and modern 4 designs, inspired by each of the historic 24-Karat 5 gold coins. 6 aforementioned semiquincentennial privy mark. 7 development for the silver medals, however, can only 8 begin once the five historic designs for the 24-Karat 9 gold coins have been approved by the Secretary. 10 The silver medals will feature the Design So the coins that have been identified 11 to be released as part of the "Best of the Mint" 24- 12 Karat Gold Coin semiquincentennial program, will 13 include the 1916 Walking Liberty Half Dollar, the 1916 14 Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar, the 1916 Mercury 15 Dime, the 1804 Silver Dollar (Class I Version), and 16 the 1907 Saint-Gaudens High Relief Double Eagle. 17 And we do have before, if you would 18 like us to share the screen with those images, as you 19 speak, we're happy to do that. 20 MR. WOOLFLEY: Excellent. Thank you 21 very much. If you would be so kind as to do that? 22 think everybody is familiar with the coins, obviously, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 150 1 to be recognized as the "Best of the Mint," they must 2 have some modicum of recognition and awareness in our 3 minds, and certainly a group such as this would be 4 most familiar with these coins. 5 I will avail myself for you for any 6 questions you may have. Happy to respond. I'd also 7 like to begin by thanking those of you who have been a 8 part of the subcommittee that helped to decide which 9 were the original coins that might be put into 10 consideration. 11 program, and our customers actually preferred to have 12 the curated list from which to choose, and so we 13 certainly appreciate the efforts of the subcommittee 14 to put that curated list together, from which we 15 started. 16 we had our survey. 17 We did market research for this And we are now obviously moving along, and We had over 29,000 participants in the 18 survey, over a 30-day period. I think this is 19 tremendously positive. 20 semiquincentennial is still a long way out, and if you 21 go to a cocktail party, not too many people are 22 talking about it. Bear in mind that the This is not something that it's at www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 151 1 the front of people's minds or tip of their tongues. 2 So to see that sort of interest in this 3 at this point in time, I think really bodes well for 4 not just this program, but for all the efforts that 5 United States Mint and that CCAC, of course, with all 6 the others, engaged in the semiquincentennial 7 celebration and our coinage are participating in now. 8 9 So thank you all very much for your support and look forward to hearing any questions you 10 may have, and see what happens as we move this 11 forward. 12 13 Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much, Dufour. 14 So we can have a discussion about this 15 program. 16 material, I believe that many of us have already seen 17 the selection of coins and what is proposed. 18 If we would like to take a look at the MS. STAFFORD: We can step through the 19 images, if you like. 20 first option, the 1916 Walking Liberty Half Dollar, 21 the 1916 -- the next -- I'm sorry, is it not 22 advancing? Okay. So maybe we'll advance to the I'm going to stop and reshare. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 152 1 apologize. 2 MS. WARREN: That's okay. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. 4 MS. STAFFORD: All right. Thank you. 5 So 1916 -- sorry, Megan, I apologize. Yes, we'll 6 start with the 1916 Walking Liberty Half Dollar. 7 next, the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar. 8 1916 Mercury Dime. 9 Version). The The The 1804 Silver Dollar (Class I And the 1907 Saint-Gaudens High Relief 10 Double Eagle. 11 with all of the options. 12 And I believe we have a contact sheet THE CHAIRMAN: 13 April. 14 this program? Very good. Thank you, Are there any questions or comments then about 15 Dennis, I see that your hand is raised. MR. TUCKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 16 This is Dennis Tucker. I'd like to thank the Mint for 17 taking on this big project of seeking public input. 18 It was very involved and as Dufour spelled out, it was 19 very robust. 20 public feedback. 21 have been consulted. 22 through a working group or subcommittee, and a lot of There was a really good turnout of So the citizens of the United States The Committee has been consulted www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 153 1 thought has been put into this. 2 I don't think there are any surprises 3 here. You know, the 1916 coins in particular are 4 coins that if your father or grandfather, depending on 5 how old you were, served in one of the wars and came 6 back, or just lived through that era, and has a cigar 7 box full of coins and other mementos, you'll probably 8 find one of these dimes, quarters or half dollars in 9 it. So these are coins that many Americans have seen. 10 The 1804 Dollar is legendary. And the 11 Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle is legendary. 12 lot of appeal here. 13 could -- with all of that in mind, but in the interest 14 of time, we could make a motion to recommend to the 15 Secretary of the Treasury that the Treasury Department 16 proceed with this program, as spelled out here, with 17 the strong endorsement of the Committee. 18 So there's a I almost feel, Mr. Chair, that we If and when the time comes I would make 19 that motion. I just wanted to, because the public is 20 listening now, and this will be part of the historical 21 record, I wanted to make it clear that there's a lot 22 of thought that's been put into this program, and I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 154 1 think it's been very well done. 2 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Dennis, and I 4 would certainly welcome that motion. 5 there were one or two other hands raised. 6 MS. WARREN: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: 8 9 I do see that Annelisa's hand is raised. All right. Annelisa, please. MS. PURDIE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 10 I also want to express my excitement about this 11 program and say that I'm not surprised at these 12 designs being chosen either. 13 My great-grandfather actually was in World War I, so 14 this coin, and especially the Mercury Dime, which my 15 grandfather possessed, was very important to us, so 16 it's very telling that even after all of this time 17 these designs are what have stuck in the minds of the 18 public and are still being celebrated and they're 19 still excited about, so I'm looking forward to seeing 20 them revisited and having others share that 21 excitement, as well. 22 They are special to me. Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, and I do www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 155 1 appreciate your comments. 2 next. 3 John, I believe you were MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you. John 4 Saunders here. 5 excellent. 6 the Buffalo Nickel, but we already have a Buffalo gold 7 piece, so that seems to have been represented just 8 fine. 9 I agree with Dennis, the choices are One of my favorite coins is not here, is One question. I hate to bring up 10 controversy, but might as well bring it up before it 11 happens, is the 1916 quarter design. 12 detail about -- looks like there's almost a strap 13 coming down over Liberty's shoulder. 14 toning mark or something like that. 15 No, the quarter. I can't see And it may be a Obviously, when it 16 came out at the time, the bare breast created a lot of 17 controversy, and I don't know whether it will create 18 any at this time or not, but the question is whether 19 the Mint is going to be true to the original design 20 there, or as I say -- I see a line there may imply 21 they've decided to make this Liberty a little more 22 modest, but what's the thinking there and has there www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 156 1 been any thought as to reaction to it? 2 MR. WOOLFLEY: So I can certainly 3 address that question for you. The intent is to 4 utilize the original design as it first came out, 5 which is what is represented here. 6 controversy, we have actually -- this coin. 7 part of the centennial celebration in 2016, and there 8 was some concern at that time, as well, about what the 9 -- you know, the public or critics might say in the As far as It was 10 context of the original design. 11 there were no issues. 12 great alarm and the world did not stop spinning. 13 so we were -- we were actually very successful with 14 that program. 15 intend to reproduce the original with the original 16 design. 17 18 21 22 We did not have any -- any And It was very well regarded, and we MR. SAUNDERS: Then America has grown THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, John. up. 19 20 And we found that you, Dufour. Thank Donald, I believe your hand was up? MR. SCARINCI: Yes. Yeah, I just wanted to point out, you know, I'm surprised nobody www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 157 1 raised it. 2 of this, and the Mint did an incredible job getting 3 input and really having a lot of people consider what 4 needs to be done. 5 First of all, a lot of work went into all You know, I recognize that, you know, 6 with the exception of the 1804 Dollar, all of these 7 coins have already been reproduced in gold, including, 8 by the way, the Buffalo nickel, if you get the $5 9 version, that is almost exactly the same size as the 10 Buffalo nickel, so -- and I have to admit, after we 11 talked about this the first time, I went back to the 12 vault and I, you know, and I took the coins out and 13 put them together in like a little set, and it is an 14 absolutely stunning set. 15 having said that, you know, what really is even more 16 exciting, you know, to me than the gold reproductions 17 is what's going to be done with the medals. 18 know, I don't know if we're going to talk about that 19 separately, but you know, that's the opportunity that 20 we're going to have to give to the artists to create 21 21st century renditions of these coins. 22 I mean, you know, the -- but And you You know, very -- the has been doing. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 158 1 They've got actually two series of coins re-imagined 2 by the artists of their classic designs. 3 doing it. 4 Portugal is It's actually very, very exciting to 5 me. The silver -- the silver here is really going to 6 be very special, and to me, the grand prize, for 7 people who, you know, either already have these coins 8 in gold or, you know, aren't fanatics about these old 9 classic designs, and may need them -- 10 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Donald. 11 does seem to be, as always, a tremendous amount of 12 enthusiasm for these designs, particularly. 13 continue to resonate. 14 It They do Since there does seem to be just 15 general enthusiasm for this, I would certainly welcome 16 your motion at this time, Dennis, if you'd like to 17 proceed with that. 18 MR. TUCKER: Yes. Thank you, Mr. 19 Chair. 20 to recommend this program with our strong endorsement 21 for adoption. 22 My motion would be that the Committee resolves THE CHAIRMAN: All right, wonderful. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 159 1 Do we have a second? 2 MR. MORAN: 3 THE CHAIRMAN: 4 It's Mike Moran, second. Great. favor of this motion, please say aye. 5 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 6 THE CHAIRMAN: 7 abstained? 8 9 10 All those in Aye. Any opposed? Any Then this motion does carry. All right. That then brings us to the conclusion of our agenda today. Are there any additional matters that need to be addressed? 11 All right. So hearing none, this 12 concludes today's public meeting. 13 thank -- 14 MS. WARREN: 15 THE CHAIRMAN: 16 MS. WARREN: 17 MR. SAUNDERS: We'd like to We have one hand raised. I'm sorry? We have a hand raised. I hit it five times, I 18 think, before it would do it. Peter, it's something 19 we've talked about when Chairman Brown was here. 20 we making any effort to track how our recommendations 21 get accepted or not accepted by the Secretary of State 22 and turned into actual coins? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Are Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 160 1 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Secretary of the Treasury? 3 4 Do you mean the MR. SAUNDERS: sorry. Yes, Treasury, I'm I misspoke there. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Not that I'm necessarily 6 aware of. I don't have enough information at this 7 time to really address that question. 8 there's anybody from the Mint who would like to 9 address that question or not, but -- 10 MS. WARREN: I don't know if This is Jennifer. The one 11 point is you're not going to know what the decision is 12 until it's a public knowledge. 13 decision of the Secretary until it goes public, so you 14 all can do that yourselves by keeping track of in the 15 annual report and then marking down when it comes up, 16 but we do not track that for you. 17 We do not divulge the This is one of many things that are 18 contributed to April's team, to move the packet 19 forward. 20 another one. 21 would be getting out of that. 22 factors that have to be considered when these things The CFA is another one. The liaison is So again, I'm not sure what value you I think there's many www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 161 1 are moved forward. 2 And again, you wouldn't know until it's 3 public, so again, you can keep track of that 4 yourselves. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. And again, 6 our recommendations are just simply that, 7 recommendations, and it is ultimately the decision of 8 the Secretary of the Treasury to make the final 9 decision about what is minted and what is -- what is 10 struck. 11 Are there any additional matters that 12 need to be addressed? 13 now concludes today's public meeting. 14 like to thank, again, those members of the public, the 15 news community and the stakeholders for joining us 16 today. 17 Federal Register several weeks prior to the public 18 meeting, and it appears that the next CCAC meeting 19 will not be until April. 22 Hearing none, this And I would All upcoming meetings will be announced in the 20 21 All right. Now I will certainly entertain a motion to adjourn. DR. CAPOZZOLA: I move to adjourn, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 162 1 Chris Capozzola. 2 3 THE CHAIRMAN: second? Chris. Do we have a Anyone? 4 MR. TUCKER: 5 THE CHAIRMAN: 6 Dennis. 7 by saying aye. Seconded by Dennis Tucker. All right. Thank you, All in favor of this motion, please signify 8 MULTIPLE SPEAKERS: 9 THE CHAIRMAN: Aye. Thank you very much. 10 And that then concludes this meeting. 11 stands adjourned at 3:43 p.m. or 3:42. 12 Thank you all. The meeting All right. 13 (Whereupon, the meeting concluded at 14 3:43 p.m.) 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 163 1 2 CERTIFICATE I, ALLISON DIERCKS, the officer before whom 3 the foregoing proceedings were taken, do hereby 4 certify that any witness(es) in the foregoing 5 proceedings, prior to testifying, were duly sworn; 6 that the proceedings were recorded by me and 7 thereafter reduced to typewriting by a qualified 8 transcriptionist; that said digital audio recording of 9 said proceedings are a true and accurate record to the 10 best of my knowledge, skills, and ability; that I am 11 neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any 12 of the parties to the action in which this was taken; 13 and, further, that I am not a relative or employee of 14 any counsel or attorney employed by the parties 15 hereto, nor financially or otherwise interested in the 16 outcome of this action. <%28428,Signature%> 17 ALLISON DIERCKS 18 Notary Public in and for the 19 Commonwealth of Virginia 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting February 27, 2024 Page 164 1 2 CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER I, SANDRA K. MCCURDY, do hereby certify that 3 this transcript was prepared from the digital audio 4 recording of the foregoing proceeding, that said 5 transcript is a true and accurate record of the 6 proceedings to the best of my knowledge, skills, and 7 ability; that I am neither counsel for, related to, 8 nor employed by any of the parties to the action in 9 which this was taken; and, further, that I am not a 10 relative or employee of any counsel or attorney 11 employed by the parties hereto, nor financially or 12 otherwise interested in the outcome of this action. 13 14 <%14858,Signature%> 15 SANDRA K. MCCURDY 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting [& - 3] & & 3:18 1 1 4:5,8 7:11,14 10:19 11:2 20:1,2,6,9 24:12,21 26:14 26:15 28:16 29:21 33:5,11 34:4,8 36:17 41:5 42:1 49:1 62:16,18,22 67:16 68:6 70:19 71:17,21 72:20 73:3,20 74:6,10,17 76:20 84:20 88:3,20 108:4 109:4,10,20 118:21 145:1 1.61 23:15 107 4:12 11 17:20 115-197 20:3 20:10 12 22:15 128 4:13 12:02 1:7 5:5 13 4:3 128:10 128:16 14 42:2 147 4:15 14858 164:14 14th 145:1 15 107:7 17 42:6,7 February 27, 2024 Page 1 1776 109:17 116:16,17 117:6 118:7 123:9 134:14 140:11 142:21 18 92:8 1804 149:15 152:8 153:10 157:6 1860s 140:12 19 4:6 89:1,4 92:8 1907 149:16 152:9 1916 149:13,13 149:14 151:20 151:21 152:5,6 152:7,8 153:3 155:11 1960s 145:6 1965 84:13 1976 117:7 1981 22:15 2 2 24:12 28:3 30:4 31:19 32:4,16 34:18 35:20 38:8 42:2 43:4 44:10,13,17 45:18 46:9,12 47:2,4,13 48:13 56:4,8 56:13 67:16 69:4,17,18,22 71:2,15,21 73:10,12 75:17 78:12,12 85:1 88:21 89:3 109:10,20 2000s 141:9 2011 29:4 2016 156:7 2018 136:3 2020 136:3 2021 130:20 2022 31:11 48:21 20220 1:11 2023 7:4 12:3 21:2 23:15 2024 1:6 5:4 13:2 2025 4:5,8 7:11 7:14 10:19 11:2 19:22 20:6,19 21:1,3 41:5 62:15,18 62:22 68:6 88:2 130:21 131:3 2025's 24:21 2026 4:11,14 7:17 19:10 107:21 108:4 108:19 109:9 109:17 114:12 116:16,22 131:7,15,21 132:8,22 134:1 135:14 140:13 147:19 148:7 148:15,20 20th 133:20 145:10 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 21st 66:3 157:21 22 23:11 23 23:11,12 24 41:22 42:1,7 88:20 128:11 148:8,13 149:4 149:8,11 250 109:11,22 121:18 125:2 148:10,22 250th 19:11 108:6,20 131:22 26 135:1 27 1:6 5:4 28 7:4 12:3 28428 163:16 29,000 150:17 2:18 107:11 2:30 107:13,16 2a 67:16 69:18 71:3 75:18 78:13 85:1 88:22 3 3 24:12 28:11 29:22 33:5,7 33:11 42:2 67:16,17 69:13 69:17,22 70:1 70:8,16 71:1 71:15,20 73:14 75:7 77:9 80:1 80:16 81:12,16 85:11 88:22 89:5 91:2,5 Meeting [3 - actually] 92:6,7,11 93:7 93:9,15 99:7,8 100:4,6,6 101:15,17 103:9 105:4,13 105:15 109:12 30 13:2 22:15 31:12 150:18 33 31:12 39 22:17 3:42 162:11 3:43 162:11,14 4 4 24:12 37:1,1 42:3,4 67:20 84:14 86:6 89:1 4a 67:20 86:6 89:2 4b 67:20 75:22 86:11 89:2 5 5 24:12 34:16 36:5 42:4 67:20 76:3 81:4 86:14 89:2,3 157:8 50 20:14 6 6 24:12 30:5 34:13,15 35:8 42:4 67:20 70:19 71:17,17 71:20 72:3,20 73:20,21 74:11 76:17 78:2,20 February 27, 2024 Page 2 79:4,12 80:1,3 80:11 86:16,21 89:3,5 92:5,11 93:7 94:20 95:22 96:11 101:6,7,17,18 103:10 104:8 105:14 106:1,8 60 103:22 60s 74:18 78:9 84:21 60th 84:13 62 4:9 23:11 6417104 1:21 7 7 24:12 30:5 34:13,15 35:8 42:5 70s 74:18 84:21 8 8 24:8,12 30:7 42:5 80 23:14 801 1:10 84 91:4 9 9 24:15 26:14 27:2,22 30:4 30:18 31:4 32:3 33:8,12 34:9 35:7 36:12 38:2,18 42:6,13 43:2,5 44:10,13,17 45:20 46:10,12 47:2,4,12 48:1 48:3,13,19 49:7,14 53:14 55:16 56:5,5,9 57:5,9,21 58:7 94 91:4 9th 1:10 a abbott 65:2 abbott's 80:15 ability 84:6 163:10 164:7 able 39:15 46:1 48:7,8 50:16 55:17 59:18 100:16 above 46:13 85:12 113:14 abraham 116:16 122:10 absolute 18:10 absolutely 44:22 101:11 105:7 131:20 157:14 abstain 59:17 129:15 abstained 159:7 abstaining 12:15 abstains 58:13 59:16 61:21 62:7 abstract 140:21 143:3 abstraction 143:4 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 accept 49:14 accepted 57:21 159:21,21 accessible 94:18 accordance 20:16 accurate 163:9 164:5 achievements 146:2 act 17:6 20:11 20:16 108:1 145:8,8,9 action 30:18,19 71:19 163:12 163:16 164:8 164:12 activity 23:10 23:18 actual 46:19 71:10 113:4 159:22 actually 24:13 27:5 33:2,22 34:10 35:5,5 39:10 44:18 45:19 47:15 48:7 53:5,6 55:9 56:19 59:22 64:11 73:16 76:21 84:12 85:17,17 98:16 99:12 111:20 113:7 118:21 122:16 124:12 150:11 154:13 156:6 Meeting [actually - american] 156:13 158:1,4 add 16:21 38:19 53:21 55:7 83:7 112:5 added 28:2 31:22 45:18 addition 11:7 74:14 121:12 additional 38:11 40:15 46:5 53:15 68:14 69:2 72:13 80:17 83:1 123:16 130:14 135:2 159:10 161:11 additionally 25:6 68:13 address 81:20 156:3 160:7,9 addressed 11:18 159:10 161:12 adds 52:15 adhere 94:10 95:6,10 adjourn 161:21 161:22 adjourned 162:11 adjunct 134:15 135:5 adjusted 55:12 adjustment 120:15 administer 13:17,21 14:5 February 27, 2024 Page 3 admiration 81:3 admit 157:10 adopt 57:9 58:7 129:4 adopting 129:10 adoption 145:7 158:21 advance 151:19 advancing 151:22 advantage 31:22 45:18 advisors 95:9 advisory 1:1 5:3 16:13 advocate 89:15 92:21 93:9 advocating 76:4 aesthetic 46:20 69:4 100:3 aesthetically 49:19 73:12 101:16 affairs 3:7,10 3:11 9:18 10:9 10:10 aforemention... 149:6 afternoon 5:2 10:6 22:22 64:14 age 78:9 agency 85:8 agenda 7:1 9:21 17:1 107:9,20 124:12 147:14 147:14,17 159:9 ago 13:3,3 29:20 97:22 102:9 agree 30:2,6 48:18 54:16 72:8 75:17 103:8 116:7 126:5 135:11 139:22 155:4 agreeing 18:1 ahead 19:14 42:11 50:11 53:4 88:15 91:17 99:22 112:17 114:1 117:3,20 123:18 128:4 143:10 ai 50:19 ailerons 46:14 aip 19:2 air 3:18 11:9 22:1 29:10 37:16 79:9 80:5 aircraft 63:21 alabama 30:22 31:10 32:8 39:6 40:1 47:19 48:2,22 49:1 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 alabama's 31:6 31:11 45:17 alarm 156:12 alfen 1:5 2:3 6:19 align 95:2 alike 120:21 all's 64:21 allegiance 15:7 15:9 allegorical 100:7 allison 1:20 163:2,17 allow 16:20 137:9 140:16 allowed 65:15 allows 140:17 alongside 18:5 ambition 126:17 amendment 49:6,15 52:6 53:7,10,12,17 54:9,11 57:12 58:4 130:19 131:1 145:1 america 19:12 50:15 142:1 156:17 american 2:6 4:5,8 5:18 7:11 7:14 10:19 11:2 19:5,22 20:2,6,9,10 24:21 41:5 62:16,18,22 65:5 66:20 Meeting [american - artists] 67:18 68:6 69:8 83:21 88:3 101:13 119:20 121:15 130:9 145:17 americans 101:14 146:6 153:9 amount 158:11 anastasios 3:13 10:21 21:20 andrew 3:17 11:7 21:22 29:5,8,14 63:6 107:4 angle 34:22 46:12 47:21,22 86:4 angles 30:5 anna 81:7,8 annelisa 2:16 4:3 6:15 7:7 13:1,18,21 14:15 32:12 35:11 37:10 79:1 122:3,5 137:6,8 139:22 154:7 annelisa's 139:13 154:6 anniversary 19:11 84:13 108:20 131:22 announce 5:9 announced 161:16 annual 160:15 February 27, 2024 Page 4 answer 49:20 71:8 111:13,15 anybody 37:13 37:14 71:5 105:20 160:8 anymore 103:20 anyway 92:9 118:3 132:22 apollo 22:13 65:18 apologies 29:7 40:2 apologize 38:14 48:15 101:4,19 115:3 152:1,5 apologizing 102:3 apparent 85:6 appeal 34:5 69:13 153:12 appealed 33:19 appear 58:14 85:22 appears 161:18 applicable 78:9 appointed 7:8 13:2 appreciate 38:22 39:7 40:7 83:7,12 101:22 104:17 107:6 110:22 126:16 132:9 139:6 150:13 155:1 appreciated 27:12 87:8 102:20 appreciating 47:11 appreciation 62:11 appreciations 107:2 approach 134:5 approached 82:20 appropriate 75:9 86:18 126:7,11 133:11 approval 7:3 12:1 92:22 approve 12:7 43:2 approved 12:21 20:20 21:8,10 149:9 approximating 148:15 april 2:18 8:15 20:3,7 22:15 24:18 40:14 44:20 50:10 54:15 55:11 62:19 63:1 64:17 68:1 104:14 105:10 108:7,11 110:10 111:14 111:17 112:12 114:9 123:21 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 130:1,5,7 132:12 137:18 138:16 139:3 147:9 152:13 161:19 april's 160:18 arc 32:2 51:10 archives 131:12 area 51:17 78:20 83:17 argument 96:11 134:2 arkansas 21:1 26:1 army 13:13 art 96:6 147:1 article 118:17 142:9 articles 142:19 articulate 47:14,15 articulated 140:11 144:9 artist 51:16 76:2 artistic 32:17 76:7 100:8 102:15 140:20 143:3 145:2 artistically 27:9 32:22 100:21 101:1,2 103:13 144:4 artistry 96:3 artists 19:2 21:6 37:22 75:19 140:17 Meeting [artists - best] 143:2,18 157:20 158:2 arts 145:12 aside 46:8 asked 21:5 asking 56:6 106:11 aspect 54:2 69:7 70:20 aspects 46:20 83:20 associated 38:4 38:9 135:12 association 77:17 assume 14:6 assuming 116:6 astounding 37:18 astronaut 67:18 69:11 71:4 74:12 75:16 76:10 77:19 80:1,5 82:16,17 85:11 86:1,5 90:11 91:7 94:21 96:2 100:19 103:18 astronauts 64:6 65:20 66:17 77:17 84:10 85:4 100:11,16 103:18 104:8,9 145:13 February 27, 2024 Page 5 atomic 100:17 attendance 8:11 attendees 2:2 3:2 attending 25:13 62:12 107:3 attention 32:7 attest 13:15 attorney 163:14 164:10 attractive 97:12 123:8 audio 163:8 164:3 authorized 20:2 108:1,3 automatically 91:21 avail 150:5 available 79:8 avenues 136:6 137:10 average 45:22 aware 8:1 33:3 71:10 160:6 awareness 109:1 150:2 aye 12:16,17 58:8,9 59:11 59:12 99:9,10 129:12,13,16 129:18 159:4,5 162:7,8 b b 122:8 128:12 back 17:1 33:5 34:18 35:7 38:14 40:7 41:17 68:21 77:5 78:14 80:2 88:16 95:18 107:13 107:16,19 117:7 120:22 128:1,5 133:2 140:11 153:6 157:11 background 20:9 22:7 38:20 63:9 69:7 82:2,14 82:17 130:6 147:19 backgrounds 17:21 backup 38:7 bad 101:9 baijal 3:3 9:8 9:10 balance 26:17 117:15 balanced 117:8 bar 143:8,8,8 bare 155:16 base 13:14 23:14 87:3 based 21:7 43:17 63:20 84:4 106:6 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 basic 31:18 basically 27:21 51:22 basin 82:5 beach 142:11 bear 15:3,5 148:21 150:19 becoming 84:14 began 17:2 63:17 beginning 108:4 behalf 16:22 believe 6:21 21:22 28:18 39:5 64:11 81:17 82:21 94:4 104:14 105:3 106:13 117:20 121:10 124:5 125:12 127:2 133:4 151:16 152:10 155:1 156:20 bell 109:11,21 113:12,14 121:16 127:6 148:22 benefit 17:22 benefits 92:4 best 4:14 9:22 17:15 18:11,14 32:17 33:14 66:19 67:2,5 70:16 89:16,17 89:18 90:11 95:8 101:11 Meeting [best - capozzola] 113:17 124:11 125:18 138:22 147:19 148:8 149:11 150:1 163:10 164:6 better 33:7 39:9 47:13 49:8 80:4 90:13 134:19 beyond 65:16 71:6 77:13,20 100:13 114:16 biased 65:9 bicentennial 117:7 118:9,17 118:19 119:15 133:20,21 147:7 big 28:13 47:5 48:8 152:17 bill 131:19 136:8 binding 56:4 91:14 birthday 108:6 118:8 birthright 145:3 bit 22:7 26:15 26:19 33:7 34:21 37:5 46:9,10 72:18 74:8 77:4 97:18,21 107:13 143:14 147:16 bits 63:13 February 27, 2024 Page 6 black 46:10 blasting 31:6 blocks 127:5 board 114:9 bodes 151:3 body 141:16 boil 93:13 126:10 bolder 100:4 boneza 2:22 9:5 boosters 51:15 border 51:12 boring 34:3 boss 70:1 126:13 bothered 116:15,17 bottom 31:5 51:6,10 125:8 boundaries 101:20 102:3 box 153:7 brain 40:3 branches 142:9 brave 66:17 67:4 break 41:13 88:9 107:8 127:20 147:13 breaking 50:20 97:17 136:21 breaks 100:3 breakthroughs 65:15 breast 155:16 brendan 3:10 10:8 brief 23:4 80:21 116:1 132:17 137:5 139:11 bring 17:12 19:4 89:9,12 110:20 130:15 136:19 155:9 155:10 bringing 32:7 33:2 brings 13:13 17:19 80:2 159:8 broader 47:2 92:2 133:16 broadly 102:16 broken 103:21 brown 17:4 141:15 159:19 buffalo 155:6,6 157:8,10 buildings 27:11 business 11:22 130:1,4 busy 23:6 86:17 button 56:21 buy 144:18 c c 2:1 3:1 4:1 5:1 cable 85:22 91:6 calendar 23:12 california 98:7 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 call 5:2,14 8:5 43:7 59:9 60:1 60:17 98:11 105:7 called 8:12 64:19 131:15 calling 39:20 105:20,21 camera 39:8,21 canaveral 72:7 candidate 4:4,7 7:11,13 19:9 19:22 20:5 21:13 22:17 24:11 30:4 62:21 64:9 67:15,22 81:7 88:2 101:11 candidates 31:12 41:4 48:22 62:15 68:22 126:20 capacity 16:19 cape 72:6 capozzola 2:5 5:17,19 12:8,8 25:15,16,17 53:5,6 54:12 54:13 57:15 58:3,17,18 60:9,10 61:10 61:12 72:15,16 74:19 114:2,3 114:18 115:1 118:15,16 133:14,15 144:1,2 161:22 162:1 Meeting [capozzola's - chairman] capozzola's 114:14 caps 18:19 capsules 22:13 capture 84:4 95:1 141:22 captures 66:19 67:2 care 28:12 106:18 cargo 22:12 carolina 97:1 carries 62:8 carry 159:7 case 19:1 31:6 87:18 cases 46:17 122:12 128:17 catches 51:14 catching 101:17 caveat 144:3 ccac 3:7,9 6:20 7:7,22 9:19 10:5 12:2 14:6 16:22 17:3,9 17:14,19 18:16 19:3,8 21:2 25:8 41:9,18 58:20 60:12 68:15 88:6,17 101:3 106:8 111:21 124:9 128:6 131:12 151:5 161:18 ccac's 21:2 38:21 celebrate 19:15 celebrated 154:18 celebrating 19:10 127:4 celebration 108:5 112:7 151:7 156:7 celebrations 133:20 134:1 celebratory 122:10 cell 100:13 cent 4:11,12 7:17,18 107:22 107:22 108:8,9 108:11 109:4,4 109:8,9 110:4 110:4 111:3,3 112:4,4,20 115:13,13,16 115:16 117:5 117:10,11 118:22 119:8 120:4,22 122:12 127:16 127:17 129:11 129:11 centennial 156:7 center 27:12 29:3 33:20,21 63:12,14 64:4 65:13 66:16 76:20 85:17 103:22 center's 22:16 February 27, 2024 Page 7 centered 109:16 centers 34:11 cents 109:8,19 116:8 128:9,15 centuries 122:11 century 66:3 133:20 145:10 157:21 certainly 23:19 26:21 27:4 30:2 54:14 59:5 73:9 87:14 97:1 105:5 121:18 124:3 150:3,13 154:4 156:2 158:15 161:20 certificate 163:1 164:1 certify 163:4 164:2 cfa 19:4 21:2 38:18 54:15 58:19 95:17 109:1 110:2 123:15 124:9 160:19 cfa's 24:15 54:18 60:13 chair 30:16 32:5 43:13,19 45:13 48:15 49:11 51:3 57:16 68:17 70:10 91:19 92:12,18 93:16 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 117:4 123:19 125:22 135:10 141:5 142:3 152:15 153:12 154:2 158:19 chairing 17:5 chairman 2:3 5:2,20 6:1,4,9 6:12,15,18 7:1 8:7,15,18,21 9:2,5,8,11,14 9:17 10:2,4,8 10:12 11:21 12:10,13,18 16:20 21:19 24:17,18 25:14 27:18 28:8 30:14 32:6 33:15 35:10,13 37:9 38:13,15 39:10,13 40:10 40:13,20 41:1 41:17 42:8,14 42:21 43:8,20 44:12,16 45:11 46:3,21 48:11 49:12 50:11 51:1 52:5,16 52:20,22 53:2 53:9,18 54:8 54:20 55:14 56:1,7,11,17 57:1,4,7,14,19 58:5,10,13 59:2,6,13,16 59:18 60:3,5,7 60:16,21 61:3 61:7,11,13,17 Meeting [chairman - clouds] 61:21 62:1,5,7 67:21 68:1 70:11 72:12 74:4,20 75:13 76:13 78:22 79:2 80:13,20 81:14,19 82:22 83:5,10 87:6 87:10,11,21 88:16 89:6,11 90:18,20 91:9 92:13,16 93:1 93:17 94:1,3 95:12 96:8 97:16 98:15,19 99:1,5,11,16 99:22 101:21 102:19 103:1,4 104:13 105:9 105:10,17,19 105:22 106:6 106:13,21 107:15,19 110:8,10,21 112:12,16 113:19,22 115:4,18 117:2 117:19 118:13 119:2 121:4 122:2,4 123:5 124:20 125:11 125:14,20 127:7,10,14 128:5,19 129:1 129:6,9,14,19 132:10,11 133:12 134:9 134:16,20 February 27, 2024 Page 8 135:8,17 136:22 137:5,7 137:14 138:9 138:12,19 139:1,7,15,20 140:2 141:3 142:4 143:21 145:18 147:8 151:12 152:3 152:12 154:3,7 154:9,22 156:19 158:10 158:22 159:3,6 159:15,19 160:1,5 161:5 162:2,5,9 chairperson 6:20 17:3 chairs 142:17 challenge 50:19 challenging 51:20,22 93:12 chance 17:10 26:10 37:15 change 52:9 108:2 changes 111:10 changing 120:17 charter 145:10 charters 131:15 132:14 135:15,20 chief 2:18 3:4 3:13 8:16 9:11 10:21 20:3 21:20 62:19 126:2,6 children 13:11 chime 103:7 choice 27:22 33:13 35:8 71:20 75:17 90:2,5 95:18 118:21 choices 155:4 choose 127:1 150:12 chose 97:9 chosen 154:12 chris 12:8,11 25:17 27:21 52:18 53:1,2,3 53:6 54:10,13 54:20 57:11,16 58:15,18 60:7 60:9 61:8 72:14,16 74:4 74:21 113:20 114:1,2 118:14 118:16 119:2 121:22 133:13 133:15 143:22 144:2 145:18 146:22 162:1,2 christopher 2:5 5:17 25:15 63:18 cigar 153:6 circulating 19:16 108:1,3 circulation 18:20 circumference 50:13,14 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 circumstances 112:3 citizens 1:1 5:3 16:12 19:18 152:20 citizenship 144:16 145:3 city 37:17 civil 145:7 clarification 125:15 clarified 115:9 clarify 56:4 61:8 clarifying 83:1 class 149:15 152:8 classic 158:2,9 clean 121:14 122:13 123:11 123:13 clear 28:11,16 28:16 30:10 32:19 53:15,22 60:10 74:9 78:7 94:17 119:1 124:16 153:21 clearly 28:15 33:10 36:15 clocks 100:17 close 89:21 92:1 98:14,22 closely 71:21 closer 36:1 clouds 27:9 33:9 34:10 36:2,14 40:9 Meeting [clouds - commercial] 52:11 cluttered 116:19 cocktail 150:21 cognizant 26:7 coin 3:19 4:5,8 7:12,14 8:4 10:20 11:3 20:1,6,9,11 24:22 26:12 29:16 30:11 32:18,20 34:7 35:4,18 37:3 41:5 47:17,17 47:19 49:3 50:6 51:12 62:16,22 65:5 68:6 73:17 75:3,22 76:1 76:11 80:16 88:3 94:17 95:4,5,20 97:13 101:17 108:1,11 112:20 114:12 121:1 122:10 124:11 127:17 129:11 130:10 131:3 134:5 135:1 136:8,9 144:18 146:12 148:8 149:12 154:14 156:6 coinable 82:1 coinage 1:1 5:3 16:12 69:8 79:19 98:1 117:7 141:19 February 27, 2024 Page 9 148:10 151:7 coincide 131:8 coinnews 3:20 8:6 coins 4:12,13 4:15 7:18,20 13:15 14:2,9 18:8 19:5,9,17 20:12,19 26:9 29:16 45:6,22 55:4 62:18 73:11 76:7 79:17 96:13,19 107:22 108:3,9 108:13,18,18 109:4 110:5 116:9,10,20,21 119:20 120:11 120:16 123:22 125:18 130:5 135:3 148:11 148:14,16,18 148:21 149:5,9 149:10,22 150:4,9 151:17 153:3,4,7,9 155:5 157:7,12 157:21 158:1,7 159:22 collaborated 21:11 colleagues 17:6 18:17 collect 130:13 134:11 146:13 collected 143:20 collectible 108:1 144:10 collecting 26:8 collector 13:8 collectors 119:14,14 120:13,21 coloration 46:9 columbia 20:15 combination 109:22 combined 109:12,15 112:19,22 113:11,13 122:8 128:12 128:12,17 combining 91:19 come 63:7 96:5 96:13 104:1 119:15,19 128:1 139:18 140:17 143:18 145:6 comes 13:8 84:18 86:6,16 87:3 102:11 128:15 153:18 160:15 coming 18:12 30:22 75:10 76:16 96:20 101:5 114:19 142:11 155:13 commemorate 131:8,21 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 commemorat... 25:20 commemorat... 148:6 commemorat... 136:8,9 commend 37:21 comment 35:12 46:20 52:11 71:2 72:13 75:2 133:8,9 commentary 54:6 69:2 70:6 70:9 comments 12:4 25:4,7,8 27:19 37:11 38:12 41:2 46:5,8 48:12 52:6 68:3,11,14,15 70:13 72:14 74:21 75:14 76:14 79:1 80:14,17 83:1 87:7 95:13 97:7 101:22 102:20 107:5 115:21 116:1,3 123:6,17 124:21 127:8 132:16,18 133:13 134:10 135:9,18 137:1 137:6,21 139:4 152:13 155:1 commercial 23:10 Meeting [commission - consideration] commission 66:7,11 114:20 committee 1:1 5:4,13 12:1 13:13 16:13,16 17:5,11 24:5 24:20 31:10 32:12 40:16 41:4 43:3,15 64:13 68:5 82:1 86:8 87:14 88:1 91:11,12 93:5 93:7,20 110:12 115:14 152:21 153:17 158:19 committee's 39:1 67:11 108:22 130:9 committees 90:3 101:12 124:3 127:1 commonwealth 163:19 communicated 124:17 communicates 65:20 101:1 communicati... 3:12 10:13 63:19 communities 17:13 community 161:15 companies 66:1 companion 124:14 149:3 compare 28:3 69:17 compared 22:13 comparing 69:22 compelling 34:6 94:21 103:10 123:8 136:16 137:12 completed 22:15 completely 40:2 111:9,11 complex 22:17 103:14 complexity 84:1 85:16 104:6 compliment 76:1 comport 112:6 composition 45:8 comprehensi... 64:2 computer 29:12 73:21 85:15 computers 84:5,12,16 86:17 87:2 104:4,10 computing 3:17 11:8 29:9 68:19 February 27, 2024 Page 10 conceived 116:17 concept 21:9 22:6 68:20 139:17 141:18 142:1,2 concepts 20:19 20:20 21:6,7 93:13 130:14 132:8 140:19 concern 36:1 74:2 135:22 156:8 concerned 75:8 concerns 58:20 74:7 conclude 105:8 concluded 102:18 107:1 162:13 concludes 67:21 110:8 130:20 159:12 161:13 162:10 conclusion 159:9 concur 54:18 58:20 concurrently 111:4 concurs 60:13 condensed 37:5 conducting 67:18 cone 46:11 confederation 142:19 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 conference 5:7 confident 125:6 confirm 8:10 59:21 confluence 94:15 confused 118:7 confusing 36:22 congratulatio... 16:12,21 congress 131:11 142:16 142:17,19 connect 131:21 connected 91:6 connection 124:15 connects 77:5 77:10 consequence 98:6 consider 25:7 43:6 45:10 68:14 91:3,7 98:21 101:19 109:2 110:3 113:16 157:3 consideration 21:9 22:18 25:3 64:8 68:10 72:9 107:10 113:13 115:19 132:13 138:17 139:4 150:10 Meeting [considerations - critical] considerations 115:6 considered 62:18 115:15 160:22 considering 48:22 83:8 98:1 131:7 consoles 86:10 consolidate 126:22 consols 86:7 constitution 14:18,20 130:20 131:18 133:2,22 136:7 142:22 constraints 112:1 constructive 18:3 consult 100:2 consulted 152:21,21 consulting 148:12 cont'd 3:1,2 contact 152:10 contain 21:15 contentious 125:4 context 156:10 continental 142:16,17,18 continually 140:14 continue 16:18 18:21 66:2,5 90:22 103:22 107:9 133:21 158:13 continued 67:8 67:11 103:21 140:13 continues 66:21 contrast 74:11 contrasting 69:22 contribute 131:1 contributed 74:8 160:18 contribution 26:4 contributions 17:11 98:3 control 63:11 63:14,17 64:2 64:4,4 65:17 65:20 68:20 70:17,20 71:16 72:17 73:1,5,5 75:3,21 76:19 76:22 77:1,11 78:19 79:7,11 83:18 84:6,14 84:22 85:15 86:9 90:12 95:19,20 97:4 100:12,14,18 103:16 control's 100:10 controversy 155:10,17 February 27, 2024 Page 11 156:6 convention 142:21 conversation 26:1,11 87:14 91:15 110:17 133:17 conversations 111:1,22 131:9 convey 26:3 60:12 74:1 80:7 82:11 103:14 124:6 conveying 67:9 conveys 26:18 27:4 86:21 cool 50:10 96:16,17 97:3 98:2 coordinates 64:5 65:20 cord 85:22 corollary 49:6 corporate 3:12 10:13 correct 24:6 42:19 44:6,14 71:12 81:17,18 102:7 115:11 127:2 146:18 costello 3:5 9:14,16 39:2 40:15 52:3 53:13 113:3,3 113:15,16 114:8,8 costello's 70:6 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 counsel 3:8,8 10:5,5 41:9,18 88:6,17 104:21 128:6 163:11 163:14 164:7 164:10 counting 56:15 countries 64:6 country 18:1 37:14 146:7 couple 25:22 47:5 55:2 76:17 course 18:2 19:7 39:1 65:9 65:17 91:14 94:1 96:22 104:17 134:12 148:15 151:5 court 41:15 88:10 create 18:11 21:7 66:12 130:15 155:17 157:20 created 24:1 155:16 creating 66:7 creative 73:13 145:12 creativity 145:17 crewmembers 22:12,13 crisp 121:14 123:11,13 critical 144:21 Meeting [critics - design] critics 156:9 crosses 114:5 crowding 122:19 culture 26:6 cupola 85:2,7 curated 150:12 150:14 curator 2:4 3:17 6:20 11:8 21:22 29:9 63:6 86:8 curious 119:18 current 52:6 112:5 130:18 143:6 currently 66:10 81:2 109:7 curvature 82:5 customers 150:11 cycle 130:21 d d 5:1 d.c. 1:11 dance 145:15 dare 18:4 darker 46:13 date 109:3,10 109:12,14,15 109:20,22 110:7 117:6,9 117:12,15 118:5,21 119:12 120:1 120:10 121:2,8 February 27, 2024 Page 12 121:10,11,13 121:19,21 122:6,7,8,13 122:22 123:9 123:10,15 128:10,14,16 128:18 129:4 129:10 dates 113:12 113:14,17 118:5,6 119:6 119:16,17 120:18 148:19 day 65:18 150:18 de 47:8 deadly 75:4 deal 18:18 dealing 93:13 debate 59:8 decades 104:1 decide 93:21 143:17 150:8 decided 155:21 deciding 49:7 decision 36:16 49:4 93:11 108:14 111:19 112:2 160:11 160:13 161:7,9 decisions 87:1 declaration 19:11 131:18 132:1 134:14 135:6,13 136:1 136:3,4,11 decorative 82:13 deeply 83:19 118:18 defend 14:18 14:20 defer 83:3 124:9 definitely 37:5 64:22 deliberation 43:18 deliberations 105:7 delve 24:9 demonstrated 18:11 demonstrating 94:17 dennis 2:13 6:9 6:11 12:12,13 30:15,17 32:6 33:1,4 38:5 43:3,10,13,21 45:12,14 46:3 48:14,16 49:13 50:5 51:2,4 54:6,8,9 57:2 68:16,18 69:20 73:9 80:18 81:15,17 91:16 92:17 94:8 99:4,5 117:3,5 117:20 123:17 123:20 125:12 125:21 126:1 126:15 127:11 135:9,11,17 141:4,6 142:4 152:14,16 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 154:3 155:4 158:16 162:4,6 department 153:15 depending 57:20 153:4 depict 27:10 72:22 73:1,1 74:17 depicted 71:4 depicting 113:5 depiction 29:18 31:5 38:20 141:17 depicts 74:10 130:21 deputy 3:13 10:21 21:20 description 94:13 deserved 107:8 design 2:18,19 2:20,21,22 3:3 3:5 4:10 7:16 8:16,19,22 9:2 9:5,8,15 17:19 20:4,4,13 21:6 21:9,13 24:8 24:12,15,15 28:2,4 30:2,17 31:3,8,11,12 31:16,19 32:8 32:17 35:19 36:2,18 37:1 38:6,17 39:6 39:20 40:1,19 41:4 42:1,2,2,3 42:3,4,4,5,6,13 Meeting [design - discuss] 45:17 46:18 48:4,22 49:3,4 49:17,19,19 50:7 51:7 55:3 55:12,16 56:8 56:9,13 57:5,9 57:21 58:7,21 60:14 61:9 62:9,15,19,20 67:1,2,16,18 67:20 68:22 69:3,3,17 70:2 70:8,16 71:1,2 71:22 72:3,4 73:6,10 76:1 77:7 78:2,10 79:5,13 80:15 81:4 85:1 86:3 86:21 88:20,21 88:21,22 89:1 89:2,2,3,3,4,5 89:15 90:11 91:5,22 94:22 94:22 96:3,4 99:7,8 100:22 101:6,7,8,10 101:15,17,17 101:17,18 105:14 106:1,8 107:21 108:2,8 108:10 110:13 111:9,11 112:5 112:19,22 113:6,11,12,13 113:13 122:12 122:17 125:1 130:2 135:12 137:10 140:16 February 27, 2024 Page 13 149:6 155:11 155:19 156:4 156:10,16 designation 116:10 designed 22:10 75:3 designers 25:18 58:21 designs 4:4,7 7:11,14 18:7 19:9,22 20:6 21:7,13 22:18 23:8,20,22 24:12,21 25:22 30:9 33:19 35:15 38:1 40:16 44:3 55:4 59:1 62:21 64:9 67:16,22 68:6 69:15 71:6 72:17 78:12,13 79:16 83:13 84:19 86:6 88:2 90:9 91:13 93:14 98:12 102:12 108:16 117:1 119:6 122:16 122:19 123:1 124:4,6,17 126:9 143:19 148:10,19 149:4,8 154:12 154:17 158:2,9 158:12 detail 85:21 141:8 155:12 detailed 138:4 details 35:15 37:7 48:6 80:2 84:20 determine 59:19 develop 13:11 20:19 developed 63:18 124:5 developing 21:12 development 131:2 149:7 devices 45:4,5 dibs 96:21 diercks 1:20 163:2,17 differ 27:21 different 17:20 17:21 53:6 75:8 82:7 98:4 100:17 111:11 112:20,22 115:11,12,15 120:19 136:15 137:10 140:18 140:21 141:11 141:12 differentiated 115:16 differentiating 110:3 differently 100:15 117:15 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 differing 70:7 difficult 35:3 47:6,7,13 95:19 difficulties 52:4 54:2 digital 163:8 164:3 dilemma 95:16 dime 103:18 124:1 149:15 152:8 154:14 dimension 82:15 dimensional 82:6,9 dimensions 73:18 dimes 153:8 direct 85:8 directing 63:20 direction 36:6 135:7,22 directly 43:3 director 2:17 3:6,15 8:13 9:18 11:4 13:16,17,19 63:4 discharge 16:2 16:4 discourage 91:21 discovery 29:4 discuss 44:4 57:22 90:15 111:3 141:7 Meeting [discussed - edge] discussed 94:12 discussing 44:6 discussion 4:4 4:7,10,13,14 7:10,13,16,19 25:1 41:3 42:21 43:17 44:1,2,4,10,14 47:2 57:18 59:7 60:12 62:9 68:8 69:18 72:19 87:9,22 89:22 91:15 92:2,10 92:20 93:3 94:6 97:8 104:19 106:9 107:1,21 110:14 127:15 129:2 130:4,7 132:14 138:20 139:3,8 141:20 147:12 151:14 dislike 122:21 displayed 86:11 distinguish 21:16 120:3 122:9 distinguishes 116:21,22 distinguishing 47:22 district 20:14 diversity 140:16 February 27, 2024 Page 14 divided 146:7 divisions 18:22 divulge 160:12 doable 50:21 101:18 125:10 documents 12:5 131:17 132:4 134:13 134:22 136:12 136:20 137:4,9 137:16 doing 14:8 78:16 88:8 98:13,21 111:8 111:11 157:22 158:3 dollar 20:11,12 30:22 32:20 45:17 48:22 81:8 95:2 124:1 149:13 149:14,15 151:20 152:6,7 152:8 153:10 157:6 dollars 66:9 153:8 domestic 14:22 15:2 dominated 35:5 47:10 donald 2:11 6:4,5 28:9 30:14 55:3 75:14 76:13 89:11 96:8 97:16,22 106:10 116:4 117:2 129:16 134:10,16 135:8,11 137:3 142:5 143:22 145:21 156:20 158:10 double 119:16 120:1,10,18 121:2 149:16 152:10 153:11 doubt 18:13 dozen 98:3 103:19 dr 2:5 5:15,17 5:19 12:8 17:4 18:19 25:10,15 25:16 45:15 53:5 54:12 57:15 58:3,17 60:9 61:10,12 63:18 72:15 74:19 114:2 118:15 133:14 141:15 144:1 161:22 drama 33:9 dramatic 30:18 31:5,21 33:8 drawing 73:18 drawings 74:17 drawn 35:20 36:12 77:8 86:12 119:8 122:7 dreams 146:3 driven 76:18 dry 140:1 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 dual 117:6,9 121:8,11,13,19 121:21 123:10 due 87:20 145:4 dufour 3:21 125:12,13 147:18,20 149:1 151:13 152:18 156:20 duly 163:5 duties 16:5,7 dynamism 38:4 38:8 e e 2:1,1 3:1,1 4:1 5:1,1 eagle 130:9 134:5 146:16 149:16 152:10 153:11 eagles 141:10 earlier 38:6 81:16 104:21 107:13 149:1 early 108:15 141:9 easier 99:13 easy 93:11,11 93:13 echo 104:20 echoing 43:13 eclectic 17:20 economic 23:10,17 63:15 edge 77:1 78:7 Meeting [edges - exception] edges 51:18 editor 3:19,20 8:4,5 education 13:10 educational 45:21 edwards 28:19 28:21 98:7 effective 13:2 82:21 effectively 123:3 effort 159:20 efforts 150:13 151:4 eight 22:12 23:4 41:21 42:4,5 55:8 88:21 128:17 either 27:11 29:21 41:8 44:9 70:19 132:8 133:7 135:21 147:6 154:12 158:7 element 69:9 100:8 102:15 123:21 elements 36:19 76:8 82:3 108:20 117:8 120:11,20 eliminate 30:6 61:9 email 41:9 88:5 embracing 84:16 February 27, 2024 Page 15 eminently 101:18 125:10 125:10 emotional 126:14 emphasize 23:21 79:22 emphasizes 47:9 employed 163:11,14 164:8,11 employee 163:13 164:10 encapsulates 70:2 encircle 76:8 encountering 26:9 encourage 43:15 93:5,7 111:2 115:22 ended 31:14 endorse 137:3 endorsement 153:17 158:20 ends 25:8 68:15 enemies 14:21 15:1 engage 39:3 70:13 engaged 151:6 engine 35:6 engineering 65:15 engraver 3:4 9:12 126:2 engravers 126:6 engraving 3:5 9:15 enjoy 83:14 ensure 108:17 112:10 124:15 enter 16:6,8 entered 18:20 enterprise 114:6 entertain 161:20 enthuse 123:1 enthused 122:15 enthusiasm 13:14 158:12 158:15 entire 17:22 26:11 43:3 51:14 86:22 114:5 entity 114:20 enumerated 131:1 equal 145:4 equally 66:14 127:3 equate 118:9 equipment 73:22 era 84:21 153:6 es 163:4 especially 54:1 86:11 136:10 154:14 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 esque 51:19 estimated 23:15 european 85:8 evans 2:21 9:2 9:4 20:4 62:20 108:7 130:1 evasion 15:19 15:20 event 38:17 everybody 10:15 23:1 32:15 33:12 61:1,16 74:12 89:18 97:7 115:20 118:8 142:10,11 149:22 evidenced 65:14 exacerbate 112:2,10 exact 40:14 60:19 exactly 157:9 examine 58:22 61:8,9 examined 54:19 60:14 excellent 17:7 30:12 35:14 37:7 80:3 149:20 155:5 except 12:14 28:10 135:4 exception 32:16 125:7 157:6 Meeting [excited - finally] excited 19:13 66:11 103:13 119:22 154:19 excitement 154:10,21 exciting 86:13 104:9 120:17 120:20 157:16 158:4 excuse 55:20 executive 3:13 10:22 21:21 exercise 116:6 exhaust 27:22 31:5 35:6 47:10 existing 49:18 63:21 112:2,10 exists 100:10 expensive 146:12 experience 18:16 31:20 experienced 23:11 experiences 17:16 expert 11:12 87:2 91:1 94:12 103:3 expertise 83:17 84:3 experts 21:12 102:6 103:7 131:10 148:12 explanation 32:1 117:16 144:9 February 27, 2024 Page 16 exploration 23:10 65:8,14 66:3 67:4 146:8 explore 65:16 119:19 136:5 explored 137:11 explosive 30:18 express 62:11 81:3 90:13 107:2 154:10 expressed 70:19 91:20 92:3 expression 145:13 expressions 145:16 extent 114:6 extremely 103:10 133:18 144:10 eye 101:16 f face 43:3 fact 29:1 36:19 45:18 47:17 52:11 66:4,6 86:22 100:11 115:21 122:9 127:5 factors 160:22 fails 18:9 fair 44:20 fairly 34:15 89:21 108:14 faith 15:4,6 faithfully 16:1 16:3 148:18 fall 71:21 fallback 146:21 familiar 149:22 150:4 family 14:1 fan 123:7 fanatics 158:8 fantastic 37:22 145:18 far 102:7 137:21 156:5 fashion 59:1 60:15 145:2 faster 128:1,1 father 153:4 fault 10:3 favor 12:14 32:21 56:13 57:4 58:6 59:10,11 60:20 61:2,14 75:10 76:17 98:13 99:8 105:14 106:1 118:4 129:10 159:4 162:6 favorite 36:13 69:3,15 79:5 155:5 feats 65:15 feature 94:11 148:19 149:5 featured 136:9 136:12 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 features 67:18 84:20 featuring 54:1 148:9,22 149:3 february 1:6 5:4 federal 3:16 11:5 29:11 63:4 66:13 161:17 feedback 23:20 39:1 69:16 74:6 87:18 132:6 139:6 152:20 feel 34:1 39:6 46:19 47:8 67:1 77:10 86:4 103:9 146:6 153:12 feeling 66:19 feelings 135:21 feels 138:2 fellow 19:17 103:7 felt 72:4 75:7 78:10 105:4 110:6 field 17:11 figure 121:20 figured 55:21 81:11 film 145:14 final 33:13 36:16 49:4 131:3 161:8 finally 10:12 10:15 24:15 Meeting [finally - framing] 37:11 49:4 73:20 145:11 financial 112:1 112:11 financially 163:15 164:11 find 35:1 39:4 84:4 103:14 119:8 123:8,11 153:8 fine 43:22 57:14 72:11 117:16 137:17 148:2 155:8 finish 148:14 finished 136:2 first 11:22 19:21 20:22 22:5,9,14 32:11 33:6 35:8 37:4 53:10 64:1,18 65:9 71:3,20 83:4 89:1,4,13 90:2 108:10 111:7 112:19 113:6 118:16 118:22 122:22 125:13 128:9 128:10,13 130:11,19 131:1 132:5,13 135:4 139:13 142:17 151:20 156:4 157:1,11 fiscal 23:11 fit 37:3 44:3 50:7 February 27, 2024 Page 17 fits 36:21 fitting 54:3 five 4:11 7:18 25:4 41:13 57:6,7 61:16 68:12 88:9,11 88:21 106:4 107:22 108:9 109:4,8,18 110:4 111:3 112:4 115:13 115:16 116:8 117:11 118:22 120:22 122:11 127:17,19 128:15,16 129:11 130:22 144:2 149:2,8 159:17 fl09 60:14 flat 51:22 101:7,9 flattened 52:12 fleet 22:14 flight 63:16,17 63:21 64:4 83:21 84:6 flights 63:20 91:4 float 86:2 floor 92:20 florida 3:14 4:6 4:9 7:12 10:20 11:1,11 20:1,7 21:3,8,18,21 23:5,9,11,14 23:17 24:22 25:18 26:18,20 27:6 28:18,21 29:15 30:12 31:4,19 36:7 41:6 51:6,7,13 52:10,12 54:1 71:1 72:6,22 74:3 77:18 86:19,20 96:12 96:18,21 97:3 98:5 145:22 florida's 22:6 flying 141:10 focus 33:22 focused 134:1 fog 48:5 fold 108:18 folks 86:7 follow 17:7 50:13,14 51:5 82:4 98:7 following 8:10 17:3 21:13 146:22 fond 36:4,5 font 27:12 fonts 27:13 foregoing 163:3,4 164:4 foreign 14:22 15:2 foreseeable 102:10 forever 95:14 forgetting 118:1 forgot 10:1 formalized 138:3,7 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 format 35:17 formation 19:12 formats 148:15 forth 33:5 146:3 fortunate 126:3 forward 11:14 16:13 25:19 63:11 67:9,10 90:15 151:9,11 154:19 160:19 161:1 found 37:12 119:15 156:10 foundations 141:20 founder 3:20 8:5 founding 131:17 132:3 134:13,22 148:7 four 55:7,7 91:3 106:3 144:8 fourth 145:5 fractional 148:15 frame 36:3 46:2 framed 28:1 frames 38:3 51:15 framing 34:10 36:14 45:4 48:5 Meeting [franklin - going] franklin 144:9 frankly 27:8 95:20 104:9 freedom 131:16 132:14 135:16 144:14 144:14,15 145:10,12 146:16,19 freedoms 130:22 144:8 freely 15:12,14 friendly 49:6 49:15,20 53:7 53:10,12,17 54:9,10 57:12 58:3 friends 18:4 front 29:2 82:11 112:8 151:1 frozen 106:12 134:17 full 19:16 44:10 144:5 153:7 fuller 5:15 25:11 fully 17:10 82:14,17 function 96:7 functionality 96:3 funneled 86:22 further 41:1,3 43:22 59:7 62:9 66:8 87:9 87:22 91:15 February 27, 2024 Page 18 92:20 106:9,22 115:5 120:3 125:15 127:15 129:2 141:7 163:13 164:9 future 4:13 7:19 18:14,18 26:22 74:14 81:3 90:16 98:1,8,14,22 102:10,14 130:4,16 138:17 141:21 142:1 146:2,21 fyi 94:2 g g 5:1 gaudens 149:16 152:9 153:11 gear 21:15 genders 74:13 general 2:15,16 6:13,16 7:9 13:5 14:7 17:12 25:1 29:12 68:8 95:5 102:16 110:13 139:17 142:2 158:15 generally 44:3 77:13 generate 18:7 generated 114:4,21 generation 13:7 19:14 generic 71:4,9 generous 17:8 gentlemen 8:8 getter 42:6 43:5 44:2 getting 157:2 160:21 gg 144:18 gibson 2:17 8:13,14 13:16 13:19,20 14:17 14:21 15:3,7 15:11,15,19,21 16:1,5,9,11 gilkes 3:19 8:4 give 26:10 35:12,20 39:17 60:19 63:9 76:4 78:11 88:11 89:16,17 92:7 100:4,6,6 101:16 133:10 143:13 144:2 157:20 given 18:17 54:1 68:19 70:22 72:6 89:20 147:9 gives 138:5 143:17 giving 25:18 29:15 30:20 70:21 143:2,3 global 55:5 go 22:2 27:3 30:8 41:16 42:11 48:2,17 50:11 53:4 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 67:15 76:9,10 78:12 88:15 91:17 93:6 95:4 99:22 109:9 112:17 114:1 117:3,20 123:17 128:4 134:20 135:7 139:9,15 143:12 150:21 god 16:9,10 goes 34:5 52:13 81:22 83:22 95:17 114:16 116:14,15 134:4 142:12 160:13 gogh 51:19 going 27:21 28:5,14 32:21 33:12 36:3,5 36:10 42:13 46:17 48:2 51:13,20,22 52:7 53:16 57:17 59:20 75:2,18 76:9,9 76:10 78:20 79:4 90:14 93:6 94:18 96:1,4,6,13,14 96:15 99:13 100:4,6,6 101:6,7,16 114:11 115:8 116:9 118:7,11 120:12 121:21 122:18 132:2 Meeting [going - happens] 137:3 139:12 143:4 144:2 146:18 151:22 155:19 157:17 157:18,20 158:5 160:11 gold 124:11 125:17 148:8 148:13 149:5,9 149:12 155:6 157:7,16 158:8 good 5:2 10:6 22:22 32:18 41:16 64:14 71:22 78:10 79:12 90:9 93:14 107:14 115:4 152:12 152:19 government 3:10 10:9 66:4 86:9 140:7,7,8 142:9 governor 3:14 3:16 10:22 11:5 20:18 21:21 63:5 65:2 66:6 67:17 80:15 87:18 105:3 governor's 24:7,14 30:6 30:13 69:13,16 75:17 83:4,8 85:14 93:8 95:7 105:1 governors 20:17 21:5 February 27, 2024 Page 19 grand 158:6 grandfather 153:4 154:13 154:15 grandmother 13:9 gravity 86:4 great 18:18,21 23:2,8,19 26:17 29:2 39:14 42:8 49:12 64:17 67:8 72:17 78:13 82:22 93:11 98:8 101:8 102:18 107:17 120:2 127:14 129:19 133:12 134:12 135:5 142:8 145:10 146:1 147:8 154:13 156:12 159:3 greater 60:11 greatest 126:6 greg 3:8 10:4 41:9,18,19 42:10 71:13 87:13 88:6,17 88:18 89:6 104:21 112:13 115:3 127:19 128:6,7 138:2 138:5 ground 35:21 79:15 80:5 85:16 100:18 136:21 grounded 51:14 103:15 group 3:20 8:6 14:9 131:13 150:3 152:22 grown 156:17 growth 131:2 guarantee 144:21 guess 46:17 48:17 49:16 53:20 126:10 133:7 142:11 guidance 100:10 guide 91:13,15 guided 25:22 guys 56:18 83:7 91:2 101:3 127:22 h half 124:1 148:16 149:13 151:20 152:6 153:8 hambrick 3:15 11:4 63:3,8 64:10,10,14,17 64:18 68:2 69:1,11,20 72:1 74:5 79:3 83:6 102:2 hanchock 2:22 9:5,7 hand 14:11 43:11 44:17,19 45:12 46:22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 48:13,14 51:2 52:17,19 54:21 54:22 55:18 56:2,4,6,7,12 56:14,21,21 57:3,5 59:20 61:4,14,18 62:6 80:19 91:16 93:2 94:4 95:13 96:8 97:18 99:19 100:5 102:1 103:3 105:15,15 106:2,11,14,17 106:20 111:4 112:14 113:21 118:2 152:14 154:6 156:20 159:14,16 handing 148:1 handling 143:2 hands 43:4 44:13 56:15,16 56:19 60:18,22 61:16,16,19 92:14,15 99:12 99:14,18 125:12 154:5 happen 28:11 29:2 49:14 79:15 happening 34:2 73:2 74:1 77:22 78:4 happens 143:14 151:10 155:11 Meeting [happy - ideas] happy 12:22 53:7 80:14 129:1 149:19 150:6 harcourt 5:15 25:10 hard 17:6 35:4 95:20 144:13 145:2 harkens 117:6 hate 119:5,5 155:9 head 47:21 hear 6:6 64:15 70:6 138:16 heard 55:2 101:3 137:21 hearing 11:14 12:6,20 25:2 41:2 53:20 68:9 83:8 88:1 151:9 159:11 161:12 hears 87:15 heart 17:8 65:13 66:16 heartiest 16:21 heavily 76:18 93:9 94:8 height 82:4 held 22:11 hell 118:1 hello 29:7,8 help 16:9,10 19:4 46:2 56:14 95:9 137:21 146:14 February 27, 2024 Page 20 helped 150:8 helpful 39:4,7 45:14,21 69:2 70:8 hereto 163:15 164:11 hexagonal 69:7 79:16,18 hey 69:20 120:16 high 42:6 44:2 128:13,17 149:16 152:9 highjack 86:19 highlighted 36:7 highlighting 36:20 highly 34:15 historian 13:6 29:12 historians 81:2 historic 84:20 148:9,19 149:4 149:8 historical 4:14 146:2 153:20 historically 45:3 72:7 73:22 history 2:6 5:18 14:1 18:15 26:6 67:8 84:7 103:11 118:17 119:20 120:21 126:6 140:12 144:5 hit 79:18 159:17 hitting 134:3 hoard 2:15 6:12,14 33:16 33:17,18 40:4 42:10,12,20 43:22 47:1 49:16 50:4 53:19 56:3,10 57:11 76:15 94:5 112:18 113:9 119:4 124:22 135:19 135:20 140:4 hobby 13:8 hold 31:1 holding 39:8 85:22 126:4 home 67:8 honest 103:19 honestly 126:12,18 honor 13:21 16:16 65:4 131:16 honored 20:18 honoring 4:5,8 7:12,15 10:20 11:3 20:1,7,13 24:22 41:5 62:16,22 68:7 88:3 131:22 honors 40:1 hope 16:18 18:18,18,21,22 19:1 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 hopefully 10:14 118:8 house 2:7 5:16 5:21 houston 65:18 83:19 84:4,13 85:6,9,17 87:1 103:16,21 104:5,11 houstonian 65:10 how's 134:18 human 63:17 64:5 65:13,16 67:4 69:9 humans 84:5 84:11,16 104:4 hundreds 66:8 i icon 56:19 114:5 iconic 27:4 53:14 123:10 144:22 idea 123:2 124:12 132:22 133:1 134:13 136:18 140:3 145:20 ideals 140:11 ideas 43:18 136:15 138:16 138:17 139:13 139:16,21 140:18 141:4 142:5 143:22 144:3,4 145:19 Meeting [ideas - intended] 147:10 identified 131:13 149:10 identifies 148:11 identify 25:5 45:20 68:12 72:5 idiot 126:14 ii 142:10 iii 142:10 illustrate 45:2 illustrates 89:14 90:13 image 27:4 33:21 53:14 77:2 100:9 imagery 103:9 104:4 images 77:4 86:14 149:18 151:19 imagined 158:1 immediately 143:16 immigration 145:8 immunities 145:4 imply 155:20 importance 65:8 69:11 important 17:17 26:3 33:3 36:18 66:15 68:20 69:12 80:6 83:19 87:1 February 27, 2024 Page 21 103:11,12 133:18 144:22 154:15 impress 18:9 impressive 37:13,19 impressively 37:19 improve 64:3 140:14 incinerated 34:21 inclined 97:6 136:16 include 49:3,8 66:8 124:4 145:3 149:13 includes 7:2 including 17:12 51:12 64:22 108:19 131:10 157:7 incorporated 49:18 increased 23:18 incredible 143:19 157:2 incredibly 66:20 101:7,9 incuse 51:9 52:1 113:2 incused 51:6 113:5 incusing 51:20 125:7 independence 19:11 131:18 132:1 134:14 135:6,13,21 136:1,3,4,11 indicate 8:11 99:8 148:20 individual 71:9 71:10 individually 132:15 138:4 139:9 individuals 14:9 16:17 industry 87:3 infamous 65:17 information 63:13 138:4 147:22 148:5 160:6 informed 26:1 58:19 72:18 infrastructure 86:22 ingenuity 47:12 48:3 initial 70:21 72:20 initially 131:6 initiatives 17:12 innovation 4:5 4:6,8,9 7:11,12 7:14,15 10:19 10:20 11:2 20:1,1,2,6,7,9 20:10,13 24:21 24:22 25:20 26:5 30:22 36:9 41:5,6 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 47:11,16 62:16 62:16,18,22,22 65:5 67:3 68:6 68:7 76:22 77:21 78:18 88:3,3 94:11 94:15,16 95:1 95:2 103:12 innovations 67:7 79:7 80:9 innovative 81:4 innovators 20:13 input 45:15 46:1 104:18 107:6 130:9 137:19 138:5 148:13 152:17 157:3 inscriptions 53:16 inside 109:12 insightful 87:7 107:5 inspired 149:4 installment 131:4,17 institute 77:16 institution 3:18 11:10 institution's 29:10 intellectual 63:15 intend 156:15 intended 125:17 Meeting [intent - kamoutsas] intent 156:3 interactic 104:5 interactions 85:4 interest 7:8 13:8 14:2 135:2 151:2 153:13 interested 134:22 141:1 163:15 164:12 interesting 17:17 48:5,5 75:18 104:3 143:9 interests 13:4 14:7 18:7 interface 84:5 84:11 intergovernm... 3:7,11 9:18 10:10 internal 111:22 internally 72:10 112:3 international 64:7 65:21 67:19 74:15 85:3,5,12 91:5 internet 142:12 interpret 28:14 intervention 84:7 intrepid 37:18 intricacy 37:2 intricate 35:15 February 27, 2024 Page 22 intriguing 120:12 introduce 5:12 38:22 58:15 introducing 29:8 introduction 13:1 invest 66:5 invested 14:9 118:18 investment 66:9 invite 16:14 involved 121:18 152:18 issuance 108:3 issuances 21:17 114:12 148:20 issue 20:12 43:4 55:5 64:22 67:11 90:4 118:20 122:20 134:7 148:20 issues 11:18 18:12 19:17 46:15 105:6 112:2,11 122:18 156:11 item 9:21 107:20 147:14 147:15,18 items 107:10 j j 14:15 january 13:2 108:4 jefferson 116:13 122:17 jen 8:8 115:17 jennifer 3:6 7:22 8:3 9:17 25:12 41:7 42:18 56:15 60:1 61:15 90:21 91:10 93:18 99:17 106:19 107:12 110:15,22 114:1 115:7 138:15 160:10 jet 35:6 jets 34:21 job 1:21 17:4 39:9 79:13 80:4 97:10 157:2 joe 39:2 40:15 44:18 45:11 49:22 50:11 51:1,4,5,11 52:3 53:21 54:7,21 55:14 70:6,13 81:15 81:20 99:18,22 101:21 126:8,9 joe's 102:14 john 2:7 5:20 32:8,10 42:16 52:5 55:17,18 57:10 62:1 70:14,15 72:13 89:7,8 90:18 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 92:3 97:18 111:4,6 117:20 118:3,13 129:7 132:18,20 133:13 134:8 145:19 147:9 155:1,3 156:19 john's 91:19 99:2 johnson 63:12 63:14 65:12 66:16 76:19 join 14:8 123:15 joined 10:16 25:11 joining 11:10 161:15 joseph 3:4 9:11 81:21 journey 66:18 joy 17:15 juggle 18:7 july 84:14 june 31:11 48:21 jury 144:17 justify 50:16 juxtaposed 79:21 k k 164:2,15 kamoutsas 3:13 10:21 21:20 22:3,20 22:21,22 23:3 24:6,19 45:15 Meeting [kamoutsas - large] 46:4,6 62:13 karat 148:8,13 149:4,8,12 keep 25:4 68:11 80:21 115:21,22 117:22 123:15 132:16 139:10 161:3 keeping 137:5 160:14 keeps 143:15 143:15 kellen 2:15 6:12 33:15,17 35:11 42:11,19 43:21 44:9 46:22 48:11 49:13 53:16,18 56:2 76:14 78:22 94:4 95:12 112:14 112:17 119:3 121:4 124:21 125:5 135:18 135:20 137:1 140:3 kellen's 43:9 44:10 57:9 58:6 117:14 kennedy 22:16 27:11 29:3 key 145:6 kids 77:16 kind 14:10 30:11 33:18 34:8,11 35:4 43:13 47:2,6 February 27, 2024 Page 23 47:13,20 48:4 48:16 51:19 52:12 54:2 55:9 69:14 72:7 75:21 77:9 78:3,6 91:19 94:6 101:3 111:7 113:1,1 116:15 117:6 118:6 119:10 120:19 133:2 134:4 135:22 136:4 136:14 140:9 140:17 142:1 143:7,8 144:22 145:5,5 146:21 149:21 know 17:5 23:20,21 26:9 26:10,21 27:6 27:9 28:11,13 28:15 29:15,16 29:16,17,21 30:1,5,8,10 32:14 34:1,4 34:14,16,22 35:4 44:1,2 46:16 47:2,3 47:14 48:1,3,4 48:6 49:10,17 49:19,19,21 50:8,16,20 53:20 65:10 70:7 72:1,21 73:8,9 74:11 74:13,16 75:15 75:20,20 76:3 76:4,5,8,11,18 76:19,22 77:8 77:9,9,9,12,14 77:20 78:1,3,4 78:6,9,17,18 79:17 81:2,15 82:19 84:19 86:12 89:15 94:6,7,13,14 94:22 95:4,8 96:10,16 97:6 97:9,10,10,12 97:13,14,14,22 98:3 102:7,8,9 102:11,14 104:19,20,22 105:1 108:22 110:19 114:7 116:11,15,16 117:14 118:11 118:18 119:6 119:10,11 120:2,8,10,14 120:19 124:10 125:7 127:12 130:18 133:4 134:4,4 135:1 136:10,13,15 137:19 138:15 138:16 140:3,8 140:9,19 141:15 142:8,9 142:14,15,16 142:18,20,20 142:21 143:1,1 143:4,6,7,9,11 143:12,14,15 143:19 144:5,5 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 144:14,22 145:13,15 146:5,17,17 147:1,3,13 153:3 155:17 156:9,22 157:5 157:5,12,14,15 157:16,18,18 157:19,22 158:7,8 160:7 160:11 161:2 knowing 92:6 knowledge 13:14 84:2 87:3 160:12 163:10 164:6 known 65:19 knows 71:5 97:7 kraft 63:18 l lacking 32:3 land 28:20 landed 28:21 34:9 landing 28:17 29:3,4 98:6 145:22 146:3 lands 28:18,19 landscape 27:10 landscapes 141:11,18 lane 45:2 large 18:19 37:19 66:2 79:5 Meeting [largely - looks] largely 26:14 larger 22:11 95:22 lastly 109:22 late 145:10 latitude 87:15 launch 22:16 23:18 31:21 35:22 46:16 72:6 103:19 launched 22:14 22:16 40:9 102:10 130:20 launches 23:11 23:14 launching 47:20 law 20:3,10 66:6 lawrence 17:4 lay 94:7 leader 2:8,10 2:12 5:21 6:2,5 23:9 leadership 17:7 78:19 leading 77:1 78:6 98:12 142:20,20 leads 35:7 learn 119:16 119:19 leaves 45:5 left 32:1 51:8 109:14 117:10 125:8 legal 3:8 10:5 24:20 68:4 February 27, 2024 Page 24 87:19 104:21 110:11 111:7 111:13,16 legally 111:15 legendary 153:10,11 legibility 50:17 73:6,16 legible 82:18 legislation 66:7 legislative 3:6 3:11 9:18 10:10 23:5 letter 67:10 82:4 lettering 86:14 letters 7:3 12:2 12:7,21 level 66:4 levels 100:13 liaison 3:7 7:22 9:19 62:12 87:19 97:11,15 105:2 160:19 liaison's 97:6,7 liaisons 10:17 21:11 41:2 46:1 87:17 91:1 107:3 liberty 109:11 109:21 113:11 121:16 127:6 141:10 144:21 145:6,16 148:22 149:13 149:14 151:20 152:6,7 155:21 liberty's 155:13 librarian 13:7 library 13:12 131:11 lies 19:13 life 29:13 104:6 130:21 lifetime 19:15 liftoff 30:1 light 19:4 38:14 96:11,11 96:16 liked 34:13 37:1 69:6 likely 91:6 likes 71:1 89:18 lincoln 116:12 116:16 117:10 121:7 122:10 140:12 lincoln's 118:8 line 50:15,21 120:10 155:20 lines 140:7 141:2 list 2:2 3:2 10:1 150:12,14 listen 33:12 listening 5:11 72:18 153:20 literally 45:6 61:5 little 22:7 26:15,19 33:7 34:21 35:3 46:9,10 54:17 56:20,21 60:10 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 72:18 75:8 86:17 97:18,21 107:13 116:17 116:19 143:13 147:10 155:21 157:13 lived 122:10 153:6 lives 100:11 location 36:19 64:3 logistical 63:15 logo 114:5 long 29:19 97:22 103:21 150:20 look 11:14 16:13 18:14 25:19 31:20 32:18 55:9 60:18 67:9,10 73:21 82:14 109:7 113:2 120:17 121:12 137:10 141:21 151:9,15 looked 33:19 45:6 75:6 looking 25:21 33:18 34:19 35:1,16 37:3 47:9 48:1 74:17 77:2,12 92:7 132:3 141:19 144:20 154:19 looks 31:9 73:17 76:5 Meeting [looks - medal] 86:13,17 102:12,13,17 112:20 113:1 119:7 155:12 lost 73:18 lot 38:8 52:19 77:3,22 126:15 142:13,14 143:9,18 145:14 146:12 152:22 153:12 153:21 155:16 157:1,3 lots 84:9,10 love 16:18 27:8 30:17 31:8,8 86:10 108:21 118:18 low 82:6 lower 36:7 61:16 106:14 m machines 84:3 made 26:19 42:19 49:2,4 50:15 51:16,21 81:1 95:17 108:14 112:3 126:14 main 120:15 major 19:15 majority 2:9 6:2 make 17:2 23:7 33:13 42:10 49:8 51:20,21 57:13 58:18 February 27, 2024 Page 25 66:18 75:2 76:11 79:10,11 84:5 85:17 89:10 92:19 96:11 98:11 112:6 115:8,15 120:15 124:16 125:15 126:13 126:20 134:15 145:9,14 153:14,18,21 155:21 161:8 makes 104:5,6 119:18 124:18 134:2 making 45:9 79:7,15 80:9 91:21 98:16,17 111:10 159:20 man 70:17 managed 86:20 97:4 management 2:18 8:16 20:4 62:20 63:19 manager 2:20 2:21,21,22 3:3 3:5 8:22 9:3,6 9:9 20:5 62:20 manages 64:4 manger 9:14 manifests 140:20 manned 63:16 manufactured 85:7 manufacturing 112:1 mapping 48:16 mark 6:6 21:16 109:11,13,13 109:16,16,20 109:21 110:1 112:20,21 114:4,11 115:10 116:12 116:12,13,14 116:20 117:9 117:13 118:5 118:10 119:5,9 120:3,5,7,9 121:1,2,7,9 122:6,7,9,12 122:22 123:2,7 123:21 124:8 124:13 125:2 125:17 126:9 128:11,16 148:22 149:6 155:14 market 150:10 marketed 96:15,20 marketing 3:21 146:10,15 147:18 marking 160:15 markings 46:10 marks 115:11 mars 146:3 material 151:16 materials 13:10 68:19 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 math 121:20 matter 11:11 77:3 91:1 103:2,7 111:12 119:14 125:16 131:10 matters 159:10 161:11 mccurdy 164:2 164:15 mcgee 3:17 11:8 21:22 28:20 29:1,5,7 29:9 45:15 46:4,7,22 62:13 63:6 83:2,3,11,12 103:3,5,6 104:17 105:6 107:4 meade 3:17 11:8 21:22 29:9 63:6 mean 28:15 61:8 70:18 82:20 93:10 96:12 116:6 119:17 120:16 125:4 127:13 136:1 140:10 146:6 157:14 160:1 meaning 28:14 means 66:19 106:3 126:15 medal 32:20 124:11 Meeting [medals - mints] medals 13:15 14:10 18:9 19:5 124:14 149:3,5,7 157:17 media 3:20 8:6 meeting 1:1 5:3 7:2,5 8:2 10:16 12:3 17:9 26:2 80:22 90:16 125:17 138:18 159:12 161:13 161:18,18 162:10,10,13 meetings 21:2 161:16 meets 92:21 megan 2:19 8:18 39:14,19 40:12,13 152:5 mehan 39:16 member 2:3,5 2:13 5:17 6:10 6:19 7:6 14:6 91:11 101:3 members 5:6 5:13 7:8 8:1 13:4 19:3 25:3 25:6,9 38:12 39:5 43:16 68:11,16 80:18 91:21 93:8 161:14 mementos 153:7 memories 80:2 memory 126:1 February 27, 2024 Page 26 men 66:17 67:5 74:10 mended 18:22 menna 3:4 9:11 9:13 39:2 40:15,18,22 44:19,20 45:1 50:2,10,12 51:11 54:7 55:1 81:21,21 99:18 100:1 125:3 126:8,12 127:9,11 menna's 70:6 mental 15:15 15:17 mention 44:21 48:19 49:9,11 81:11 mentioned 21:19 36:1 55:2 63:3 65:12,19 66:15 69:11 74:8 89:19 149:2 mentions 98:5 mercury 63:18 149:14 152:8 154:14 merely 47:22 merit 75:19 76:5 78:11 120:2 merits 34:14 60:11 93:12 message 94:17 100:5 met 17:18 metaphor 130:22 metrics 140:15 michael 2:9 3:5 3:12 6:1 9:14 10:13 michigan 21:1 26:2 microphone 5:8 mike 3:20 8:5 27:19,21 28:9 29:22 33:9 39:2 40:14 42:22 43:1 49:22 52:1,16 53:11 59:4,6 70:6,13 74:21 75:13,21 81:15 89:19 95:13 96:9 113:3,15 114:8 121:5 122:2 123:11 125:3,9 126:20 126:21,21,21 127:2 129:10 137:1,3 139:21 159:2 mike's 43:14 52:11 53:22 117:16 milestone 19:16 millennium 119:11 million 23:15 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 millions 66:9 mind 17:8 34:10 68:21 150:19 153:13 minded 16:17 minds 77:22 150:3 151:1 154:17 mine 53:6 minor 29:18 111:10 minority 2:7,11 5:21 6:5 mint 2:17 4:14 7:22 8:10,13 9:22 11:17 13:10,17 18:6 18:9,12,17 19:2 20:12,17 21:11 30:21 45:3 83:15 94:14 111:22 114:4,10,16,22 124:11 125:18 126:2 140:17 143:17 146:11 147:19 148:7,8 148:11 149:11 150:1 151:5 152:16 155:19 157:2 160:8 mint's 18:15 126:6 136:10 146:15 minted 108:3 161:9 mints 45:3 55:5 Meeting [minute - necessarily] minute 22:4 39:17 41:13 88:9 107:7 127:20 minutes 7:3 12:2,7,20 25:4 68:12 88:11 102:5 116:1 138:7 mission 22:10 63:11,14,16 64:4 65:17,19 66:8 68:20 70:17,19 71:16 72:16,22 73:4 73:5 76:19,22 77:1,11 78:18 79:6,11 83:18 84:14,15,21 85:15 95:18,19 97:4 100:10,12 100:14,18 102:8 103:16 104:4 missions 22:15 64:2,3 65:18 misspoke 160:4 mitigate 112:3 112:4 mix 17:20 model 37:4 moderated 1:5 modern 65:19 78:9 149:3 modest 155:22 modicum 150:2 moment 12:22 14:4 43:9 February 27, 2024 Page 27 60:22 63:8 107:2 137:19 139:16,19 147:12 momentarily 88:7 moments 145:6 month 13:3,3 months 65:6 moon 40:6 69:6 moran 2:9 6:1 6:3 27:19,20 27:21 43:1,1 59:4,4,6 75:1 95:14 121:6 129:8 137:2,3 139:22 159:2,2 morning 24:3 mother 13:9 64:19 motif 31:4,18 motion 12:7,19 26:17 28:2,12 33:10 34:1,2 34:17 42:10,19 43:9,9,16 44:4 44:5,9,11,17 47:3 48:18 49:7,13 55:17 56:12 57:9,9 57:10,20,21 58:2,7,14,15 58:18 59:10 60:6,8,10,20 61:2,14,18 62:4,8 89:10 91:21 92:17,19 98:11,16,17 99:2 102:21 105:12 129:20 153:14,19 154:4 158:16 158:19 159:4,7 161:20 162:6 motions 38:12 42:9 80:18 89:7 106:22 123:17 124:21 128:20 129:3 mountains 82:19 move 24:11 42:13 129:4 138:12 145:13 151:10 160:18 161:22 moved 12:9 51:8 161:1 moves 100:15 moving 19:20 109:18 138:22 139:2 150:15 mull 147:10 multiple 12:17 58:9 59:12,15 120:19 129:13 134:6 159:5 162:8 murray 18:20 muses 147:1 museum 3:18 11:9 22:1 29:11 37:17,18 music 145:14 mute 5:8 132:21 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 muted 55:18,19 117:21 129:17 139:13 n n 2:1 3:1 4:1,1 5:1 name 5:9,14 8:12 14:13,14 29:8 64:18,18 116:3 132:17 139:11 nasa 22:14 27:13 63:6,15 64:1 66:1 nasa's 64:5 65:12 nation 18:21 131:2 141:21 nation's 148:7 national 3:18 11:9 19:16 22:1 29:10 37:16 131:12 nationality 145:9 nations 13:15 native 65:10 natural 98:6 141:17 nature 72:3 85:19 nay 59:15 near 145:7 neat 81:9 94:22 119:10 necessarily 33:21 51:13 Meeting [necessarily - office] 77:19,21 82:4 85:6 90:2 124:8 147:11 160:5 necessary 105:5 122:11 need 11:18 43:2,17 47:14 53:15 56:14 60:17 91:6 116:21 121:10 124:8,17 138:6 158:9 159:10 161:12 needed 63:16 needing 73:5 needs 138:2 146:11 157:4 negative 75:2 neither 163:11 164:7 neutral 133:2 never 18:9 75:3 new 6:20 7:6 13:11 37:17 97:2 111:9 117:1 136:21 143:8 149:3 newer 91:11 newest 91:11 news 120:16 161:15 nice 26:17 30:2 30:10,10,11 31:16 32:13 34:11 46:9 48:4 75:22 76:1,11 77:7 February 27, 2024 Page 28 84:15 134:15 135:5 nicely 28:1 33:15 51:14 86:10 120:11 nickel 109:7 110:18 113:10 115:11 116:13 120:6 121:9,13 121:16 122:16 122:17 123:3 155:6 157:8,10 nickel's 108:16 nine 22:17 64:8 89:3 nominated 44:1 non 56:4 119:14 normally 64:19 north 97:1 northwest 1:10 nose 46:11 notary 163:18 note 10:15 83:18 85:20 104:22 notes 83:16 85:3 noticed 85:21 notion 103:15 november 7:4 12:3 21:2 23:15 number 26:14 26:14,15 27:2 27:22 28:3,11 28:16 30:4,4,6 30:17 31:4 32:16 35:20 36:5,12,17 37:1,1 38:2,7 41:21 45:18,20 48:13,13,19 49:14 53:14 56:8,9,13 57:5 57:9,21 58:7 60:19 61:5 67:1 69:4,13 73:3,10,12,14 73:21 74:6,10 74:11,17 75:7 76:3,20 78:20 80:1,1,3,11,16 81:16 84:20 85:1,11 86:16 88:20,21,21,22 89:1,5,5 91:2 92:5,5 93:9,15 99:7,8 101:6,7 101:15 103:9 103:10 105:13 105:14,14 106:1,8 108:13 109:22 119:13 144:8 numbers 92:8 109:11 numerals 148:22 numismatic 2:4 6:19 148:12 numismatics 2:14 6:10 14:1 17:13 119:18 144:5 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 o o 4:1 5:1 o'clock 51:7 oak 130:21 143:7 oath 13:18,22 14:5,5 object 30:20 objection 12:20 45:16 71:15 objections 12:19 objectives 104:4 obligation 15:12,14 obligations 144:16 observations 87:8 obverse 21:13 obviously 26:18 27:13 31:13 70:18 79:9 85:4 149:22 150:15 155:15 occurred 102:4 occurring 78:7 offer 24:7 131:14 offered 108:18 offers 31:20 office 2:18 3:11 3:12,14,15,16 8:16 10:9,13 10:22 11:4,5 Meeting [office - part] 13:18,22 16:6 16:7 20:4 21:21 24:7,14 30:6,13 62:19 63:4,5 69:13 69:17 95:7 105:1 126:4 office's 93:8 officer 163:2 official 67:10 87:17,19 105:2 offline 44:21 oh 53:2 56:18 93:1 99:20 103:4 106:4 130:2 138:21 ohio 96:22 okay 25:14 39:12 41:15 43:8 44:12,16 44:16 51:1 52:16 53:9 54:8 55:14 56:1,10 57:1,8 57:14 59:6,9 59:16,18 60:3 60:21 61:7,13 62:5 83:5 88:14 98:19 99:1,20,21 105:12,17,19 105:22 106:6 106:21,22 110:8 113:9,22 128:3 129:22 132:20 135:20 136:13 138:1 138:21 139:7 February 27, 2024 Page 29 146:15 151:22 152:2 old 153:5 158:8 once 19:14,14 88:19 105:21 149:8 ones 34:1,16 35:8 76:21 136:16 140:20 open 92:19 openly 134:7 operation 63:21 operations 104:1 opinion 30:5 52:10 71:22 83:8 90:3,6 126:8 opportunities 66:12 137:13 opportunity 19:15 23:7 27:10 43:14 131:14 133:16 141:14 157:19 opposed 49:21 58:11 59:14 61:17 62:2,3 129:14 133:5,6 147:2 159:6 opposite 94:7 option 93:21 109:4,10,10,12 109:15,20,20 111:8,11,16 127:3,3 151:20 options 4:10 7:17 93:22 107:21 108:8 108:10,19 109:2,6,9,18 109:19 110:7,9 110:13 111:3 112:8 115:13 127:1 130:2 152:11 orbit 23:16 orbiter 22:11 order 5:3 11:22 44:8 87:12 108:17 112:1 129:22 130:4 139:12 orientation 36:10 original 95:18 148:16,19 150:9 155:19 156:4,10,15,15 originates 36:9 ounce 148:16 148:17,17,17 outcome 163:16 164:12 outside 66:1 67:19 outstanding 17:4 outvoted 119:1 overall 37:20 80:4 116:22 122:17 overcrowding 50:8 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 overlaps 82:11 overlooked 143:20 overstepping 101:19 102:3 own 120:1 123:6 p p 2:1,1 3:1,1 5:1 p.m. 1:7 5:5 107:11 162:11 162:14 package 96:14 116:22 packaged 96:19 packet 160:18 page 4:2 130:3 painting 145:15 palm 26:20 panel 75:3 panels 75:21 paper 32:19 140:19 pardon 57:11 part 34:4 44:13 74:14 79:5 83:14 84:17 92:2 102:14 108:12 111:15 113:7 133:16 138:19 139:2 142:8 144:16 145:17 148:5 149:11 150:8 Meeting [part - please] 153:20 156:7 participants 150:17 participate 64:6 participating 5:7 107:4 151:7 particular 36:18 55:6 69:19 71:3 83:17 89:14 90:5 103:15 123:1,8 127:4 153:3 particularly 73:3 84:19 86:12 90:14 95:16 121:15 136:21 158:12 particulars 45:7 parties 163:12 163:14 164:8 164:11 partner 66:12 partners 66:13 parts 17:21 73:17 141:12 party 150:21 passed 58:14 59:19 91:8 129:20 passion 16:17 104:18 past 13:9 26:22 93:19 101:4 102:12 141:19 February 27, 2024 Page 30 paul 3:19 8:4 pauli 18:19 pause 14:12 paying 144:17 144:18 payload 23:16 pedantic 101:5 peers 77:18,22 penny 108:16 109:6 110:18 111:16 113:4 115:10 116:8 116:12 121:7 121:13,17 122:5 123:3 people 17:12 17:18 26:8,21 30:3 52:19 61:5,20 72:5 72:19 77:15 78:17 79:6,10 79:11 80:6,8 81:2 85:16 90:1,15 92:20 94:16 101:13 106:4,5 114:7 118:6,11 134:21 140:7,8 140:8 142:11 146:8,13 150:21 157:3 158:7 people's 151:1 perfectly 137:17 period 18:14 94:6 108:4 150:18 periphery 82:3 permission 100:2 person 71:11 77:14 100:8 personal 14:1 17:2 35:1 79:17 perspective 31:22 35:21 36:16 55:13 100:4,9 pertaining 52:6 peter 1:5 2:3 6:18 10:6 27:20 52:18 56:3 57:11 59:22 75:1 88:15 90:19 93:18 99:15,17 102:22 104:14 110:15 121:6 127:9 137:2 138:14 159:18 petition 131:3 phase 60:14 philadelphia 112:9 phone 5:8 phones 100:14 photo 29:2 31:1 physical 33:21 pick 115:9 147:2,3 picked 118:21 picks 87:15 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 picture 90:12 pictures 84:9 84:10 piece 47:9 85:10 87:4 117:5,11 155:7 pieces 140:19 pile 96:1 place 45:9 78:4 78:5,5 89:1,4 103:15 placeholder 125:8 placement 121:8 places 97:2 plain 75:5 121:22 planet 65:16 plans 148:7 platinum 4:13 7:20 130:5,10 130:12,16 134:5 135:3 136:2 139:2,9 146:11,12 playbill 81:9 played 141:13 please 5:7,13 8:11 12:15 14:13 16:20 24:6 25:4,5 41:8 45:9 53:3 56:14 57:5 58:7 59:10 60:8 61:14,18 68:11,12 74:22 75:14 76:14 Meeting [please - previously] 79:1 81:20 83:5,11 87:20 88:5,18 89:7 91:17 99:8,22 103:5 105:15 106:2 107:16 108:11 112:17 114:1 116:2 117:3,20 118:14 119:3 121:5 122:3 123:17 124:21 125:21 127:18 128:8 129:11 130:7 132:19 133:13 135:9 135:18 137:1 139:11 154:8 159:4 162:6 plenty 147:9 plumes 46:16 pockets 120:18 point 9:21 33:3 33:22 34:20 35:2 39:3 42:5 42:6 44:8 45:16 47:7,8 73:9 87:12,16 90:22 92:5 93:19 97:8 105:11 125:15 127:7 151:3 156:22 160:11 pointed 38:5 55:7,8 points 31:13 42:2,2,3,4,5,7 42:7 55:8 February 27, 2024 Page 31 88:22 92:5 128:16 130:11 policy 77:15 pool 130:16 poor 119:8 pop 96:2 103:18 popular 29:17 77:6 population 26:6 portfolio 19:21 37:22 62:14 63:10 69:6 75:6 81:7 82:2 93:12 101:10 portfolios 11:11,15 62:17 101:8 111:2 portrait 32:22 portray 71:16 portugal 158:2 position 14:6 23:21 positive 150:19 possessed 154:15 possibility 48:20 possible 26:3 49:21 50:7,9 50:18 79:6,11 79:12 80:9,10 82:10 84:6 88:20 100:19 100:20 116:1 120:8,22 128:11 132:17 133:9 139:8 possibly 37:4 poster 81:9 postpone 57:17 potential 31:13 41:22 42:1 130:16 potentially 102:13 131:14 pounds 23:16 power 38:4,9 68:19 practice 84:3 preamble 136:2 precedent 95:5 precisely 114:18 predating 91:5 prefer 34:3 78:3 85:14 93:15 117:8,10 123:12 preference 24:7,13 26:13 33:6 34:9 38:2 64:12 67:1,17 70:1,21 71:17 79:18 85:14 93:8 105:4 116:11 135:15 preferences 11:15 67:9 72:20 117:17 preferred 150:11 prepared 164:3 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 presence 66:2 68:3 110:5 present 5:14,19 5:22 6:3,7,8,11 6:14,17 8:11 8:14,17,20 9:1 9:4,7,10,13,16 9:20 10:7,11 20:5 26:22 41:11,19 62:21 88:7,17 102:13 128:7 147:19 presentation 123:10 presented 21:1 21:4 109:2 122:19 126:19 presenting 22:19 64:9 press 8:1 56:20 56:21 61:4 pressing 60:19 80:4 pressure 143:16 prestigious 14:8 pretty 47:18 53:22 74:9 96:16,17 97:3 114:9 118:9 126:14 146:18 146:18 previous 21:14 21:16 26:2 111:2 previously 23:22 32:8 Meeting [previously - purdie] 63:3 85:21 111:21 prideworthy 19:5 primarily 63:21 principles 33:18 140:11 printout 31:1 prior 22:9 25:5 68:13 161:17 163:5 privilege 17:15 privileges 145:3 privy 21:15 109:11,12,13 109:16,16,20 109:21 110:1 112:20,21 114:3,11 115:10,11 116:12,12,13 116:14,20 117:9,13 118:4 118:10 119:5,9 120:3,5,7,9 121:1,2,7,8 122:6,6,8,12 122:22 123:2,7 123:21 124:8 124:13 125:2 125:17 126:9 128:11,16 148:21 149:6 prize 158:6 probably 32:16 53:21 54:3 February 27, 2024 Page 32 71:21 141:16 146:9 153:7 problem 10:4 56:1 procedurally 44:7 procedures 63:22 89:9,13 proceed 43:10 44:13,18 48:12 49:14 56:2,12 57:8 99:6 105:13 153:16 158:17 proceeding 164:4 proceedings 7:21 163:3,5,6 163:9 164:6 proceeds 55:16 process 65:1 83:14 93:6 111:18 145:4 produced 37:14 73:16 production 108:15 112:11 professionali... 18:10 program 2:21 20:2,5,9 21:14 22:6 24:20 25:7 27:1 32:2 36:20 40:17 45:19 49:9 50:6,16 51:9 52:8,15 62:21 63:16 64:5,7 65:22 68:5 74:9 76:12 78:8 83:21 87:19 96:22 98:1,2 108:9 108:13 110:12 114:22 124:11 127:4 130:10 130:12,15 131:6 132:3,8 133:3 134:5 135:12 136:2 141:9,21 147:1 147:6,7 148:5 148:8,12 149:12 150:11 151:4,15 152:14 153:16 153:22 154:11 156:14 158:20 programs 10:17 13:11,12 87:17 130:17 141:20 project 63:17 152:17 promote 76:12 proof 7:20 130:5,10,12,16 134:5 proposal 132:7 132:15 propose 21:5 proposed 151:17 protection 145:4 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 protocols 63:19 proud 66:21 67:6 146:6 provide 23:20 130:6 provides 60:17 63:14 public 1:1 2:15 2:16 5:10 6:13 6:16 7:2,4,9 8:2 12:3 13:5 13:11 14:7 19:5 20:3,10 80:8,22 81:1 94:19 118:12 120:12,20 121:15 148:13 152:17,20 153:19 154:18 156:9 159:12 160:12,13 161:3,13,14,17 163:18 publicized 30:21 published 118:17 pull 39:17 purdie 2:16 4:3 6:15,17 7:7 12:14 13:1,2,6 13:9,13,18,21 14:4,15,15,19 15:1,5,9,13,17 15:20,22 16:3 16:7,10,11,15 16:20 35:13 79:2 122:4,5 Meeting [purdie - really] 137:7,8 139:14 139:16 154:9 purpose 15:19 15:20 pursue 136:17 pursuit 18:10 push 66:3 70:20 95:15 147:15 pushed 34:18 90:8 put 50:12,19 52:8 60:11 73:6 95:22 99:18 104:9,10 104:10 123:11 144:19 145:2 150:9,14 153:1 153:22 157:13 puts 104:11 127:18 putting 50:5 71:19 q qualified 2:3,5 2:13 5:18 6:10 6:19 46:20 126:5 163:7 quarter 18:20 81:8 118:19 119:11,15 148:17 149:14 152:7 155:11 155:15 quarters 27:14 29:19 124:1 153:8 February 27, 2024 Page 33 question 31:15 49:20 51:5 55:16 59:9 70:4,4,14 71:3 72:2 81:16 89:9,13 96:3 111:7,8,14 113:10 114:3 114:15 115:8 117:13 121:14 123:20 129:17 131:5 132:5 137:18 155:9 155:18 156:3 160:7,9 questioned 38:19 questions 22:2 24:9,20 25:7 40:19 46:2,18 63:7 68:5 110:11 112:19 115:5 127:8 150:6 151:9 152:13 quick 65:7 112:18 114:3 147:22 quickly 103:6 118:9 124:22 148:4 quite 23:6 38:1 73:6 74:8 77:4 77:11 83:13 85:9 92:4 95:20 136:11 quorum 6:21 r r 2:1 3:1 5:1 race 65:16 raise 14:10 54:14 56:14 57:5 59:21 61:4,14,18 93:2 99:12 100:5 105:15 106:2 135:22 raised 44:19 45:12 46:22 51:2 54:22 55:18 56:15,16 60:18,22 61:16 61:19 73:15 80:19 81:15 91:16 92:14 94:4 95:13 96:9 97:19 102:1 111:5 112:15 125:12 152:14 154:5,6 157:1 159:14 159:16 raises 143:8 raising 56:18 56:19 99:14 113:20 range 109:3,10 109:12,14,15 109:20 110:1,7 117:6,13,15 118:21 119:12 122:7,8,22 123:10,15 128:10,14,16 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 128:18 129:5 129:10 ranking 31:13 rate 54:6 rather 38:6 45:7 70:17 74:3 82:5,6,9 120:4 123:9,11 141:17 ratification 133:22 reaching 83:15 reaction 156:1 read 74:3 81:1 82:15 101:6 147:21 readable 125:2 125:10 reading 130:3 ready 23:21 41:16 88:12 reaffirming 78:3 real 147:22 really 19:13 30:9,12,17 32:22 34:9 37:18,21 38:1 43:2 51:22 69:5 71:16 72:17 73:11,17 75:22 76:1 77:8 78:3,13 85:18 86:9,13 89:15 91:14 96:1 97:5,10 97:14 98:2 101:21 103:15 Meeting [really - report] 107:5 119:11 120:2,7 121:10 121:17 133:17 134:1 135:21 143:2,7,18 148:4 151:3 152:19 157:3 157:15 158:5 160:7 realm 94:6 140:4 reason 31:17 33:9 52:8 118:5 122:7 147:2 reasons 47:5 66:22 72:21 76:17 108:15 146:4 received 41:7 42:1,2,3,3,4,4 42:5,5 88:4,20 88:21,22,22 89:2,2,3,3,4 128:10 receiving 87:18 recent 18:12 126:1 141:19 recently 30:21 136:11 recess 107:7,19 recognition 150:2 recognizable 26:8,16 27:7 28:5 73:4 recognize 35:14 41:18 February 27, 2024 Page 34 88:17 121:17 128:6 157:5 recognized 20:22 106:12 150:1 recommend 42:13 48:18 58:21 91:22 92:19 119:7 135:6 153:14 158:20 recommenda... 24:16 38:18,21 49:2,8 56:5 57:13 58:19 60:13 95:17 106:7 110:4 123:14 130:11 recommenda... 97:8 139:10 159:20 161:6,7 recommended 2:7,9,11 5:15 5:21 6:2,5 109:3 reconsidering 70:22 record 8:9 10:15 23:13 41:14 68:13 88:13 107:18 114:19 128:2 147:22 153:21 163:9 164:5 recorded 163:6 recording 163:8 164:4 redesign 108:1 redesigned 108:14 111:16 116:10 123:22 redesigns 135:1 reduced 163:7 reflect 73:10 90:3 108:20 reflecting 73:15 regard 113:10 120:2 123:13 regarded 156:14 regarding 44:4 74:6 130:11 131:5 regardless 47:4 regards 91:2 register 161:17 reiterate 91:10 105:5 reject 53:16 related 70:18 114:15 163:11 164:7 relations 3:16 11:5 63:4 relationship 26:5 relative 163:13 164:10 relatively 116:6,20 release 148:7 149:2 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 released 148:14 149:11 relentless 18:10 relevance 140:13 relief 51:11,16 51:19 70:7,8 81:17 82:7,9 82:16 149:16 152:9 reliefs 75:8 remain 21:14 108:16 remaining 21:3 remarkable 18:6 73:7,18 83:20,22 remarks 17:2 remember 31:11 80:8 115:20 remind 5:6 25:3 26:21 68:11 115:20 reminded 36:8 reminder 109:6 remotely 8:2 render 113:5 rendered 113:8 renditions 143:3 157:21 repeat 14:11 50:2 60:6,8 repetition 31:18 report 160:15 Meeting [reported - rule] reported 1:20 reporter 41:15 41:15 88:10 represent 7:8 13:4 65:3 67:5 143:4 148:18 representation 84:16 representative 83:4 104:22 105:2 representatives 20:18 22:2 represented 155:7 156:5 representing 2:15,16 6:13 6:16 14:7 141:11 reproduce 156:15 reproduced 157:7 reproductions 157:16 request 54:18 57:12 required 138:5 requires 20:11 research 150:10 researched 91:3 reservation 15:16,18 reshare 151:22 resolution 137:20 February 27, 2024 Page 35 resolves 158:19 resonate 158:13 resource 63:19 respectful 18:2 respond 5:13 150:6 responding 72:3 rest 16:22 70:12 107:9 126:22 result 48:17 135:1 resulting 142:21 results 41:11 41:19 88:7,18 128:7 retired 102:8 retread 136:14 return 37:6 53:11 54:15 55:15 59:1 107:9,10 127:20 reusable 22:9 reverend 18:19 reverse 19:22 20:12 32:3,4 41:4 62:15 88:2 111:9 139:12 review 4:4,7,10 7:10,13,16 12:1 18:8 62:15 101:12 107:20 108:10 reviewed 19:21 reviewing 10:17 19:8 31:11 68:21 69:5 125:16 revise 61:10 revised 60:15 revisited 154:20 right 8:7 10:14 12:6,10,14,19 14:11 25:16 27:6 35:10 36:8 37:9 38:11 41:2 42:8,20 43:20 44:9 45:11 46:3,13,21 48:12 51:6,8 53:22 54:13 56:22 57:4 58:5,6,10,14 59:2 60:4,7 61:3 62:5,8,8 62:10 64:15 67:15 68:9 69:15 70:11,14 72:12,15 74:20 81:14,19 83:10 87:3,8,21 89:6 92:16 96:14,16 97:1,16 98:15 99:5,11 105:22 107:11 109:5 109:14 112:12 112:16 115:19 117:2,9,19 118:13,15 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 123:5 127:15 128:5 129:6,9 131:3 132:11 132:21 133:5 133:14 134:9 135:8,17 137:14 144:1 144:11 145:16 147:8 152:3,4 154:7 158:22 159:8,11 161:5 161:12 162:5 162:11 rights 131:19 136:8 145:8,8 risks 92:4 112:4 robust 82:16 100:7 111:1 152:19 robustness 51:19 rocket 28:1 31:7 34:21 35:2,5 40:5,6 47:20 rockets 146:18 rocky 127:12 roger 2:20 8:21 role 78:19 roll 60:1,17 room 87:4 136:5,15 145:14 roosevelt 144:9 rooted 83:19 rule 79:19 Meeting [ruled - seeking] ruled 34:4,8 run 85:5 144:16 running 100:17 107:14 russ 20:4 62:20 108:7 130:1 russell 2:21 9:2 s s 2:1 3:1 4:1 5:1 82:11 safe 36:16 saint 149:16 152:9 153:11 sales 3:21 147:18 salvation 13:13 sandra 164:2 164:15 saturn 31:7 40:4,5,6 49:1 saunders 2:7 5:20,22 32:9 32:10,11 42:16 42:16 52:7 55:20 62:3,6 70:14,15,16 71:14 89:8,8 89:12 97:20 98:17,20 99:18 99:20 111:6,7 117:22 118:3 129:4 132:20 132:20 145:20 155:3,4 156:17 159:17 160:3 February 27, 2024 Page 36 saw 81:7,8 82:10 saying 12:16 29:22 45:8,19 55:12 59:11 99:9 137:15 162:7 says 32:2 scale 82:10 scarinci 2:11 6:4,8 28:9,10 28:22 29:14 75:15 89:10 96:10 106:16 106:20 116:4,5 129:18 134:11 134:18,21 142:6 156:21 scenic 141:11 schedule 107:14 110:22 115:22 147:16 scheduled 147:14 school 13:12 scientific 65:14 score 38:17 41:4,22 42:1 88:2,5,20 91:12 127:16 scored 31:12 90:7 scores 41:10 88:7 127:19 scoresheet 41:7 scoring 41:13 41:19,22 88:18 90:6 128:7,13 128:17 screen 39:6,15 53:3 149:18 scribing 82:12 sculptable 82:1 sculpturally 100:22 second 12:11 12:12 42:15,17 43:5 59:3,3,5 79:4 89:11,17 97:21 99:2,3 111:15 112:22 113:10 128:11 129:7,8 130:13 138:13 139:2 142:17 144:13 159:1,2 162:3 secondary 35:8 58:1 seconded 57:10 162:4 secondly 146:10 seconds 59:7 secretary 7:4 12:2 20:11,20 21:8,10 31:14 48:19 49:2 101:12 108:2 149:9 153:15 159:21 160:2 160:13 161:8 section 140:9 145:1 see 6:6 23:19 28:16 31:2,2,4 34:6 35:3,5 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 36:15 37:15 43:11 44:18 45:12 46:10,12 46:12,13,16,22 47:7,13,15 48:7,8,14 49:17 51:2,6 51:16 52:8,14 52:16 53:3,7 54:21 55:4,17 56:8,16,17 57:6,7 69:13 75:3 79:8,21 80:5,7,18 82:2 82:18 84:15 85:15 91:13,16 92:14 94:15,15 96:1,8 101:22 103:5 104:18 111:4 112:8 113:11 118:6 119:21 120:21 121:16,18,19 125:8,11 127:17,20 134:22 137:11 137:12 141:16 151:2,10 152:14 154:4 155:11,20 seeing 25:2 32:1 60:21 68:9 88:1 141:1 154:19 seek 140:14 seeking 130:9 137:19 152:17 Meeting [seem - signify] seem 106:7 122:20 126:13 129:20 158:11 158:14 seemed 68:18 seems 155:7 seen 19:6 73:11 73:13 151:16 153:9 select 14:8 38:7 selected 24:8 24:14 31:14 32:8 38:6 selection 34:19 80:15 151:17 sell 146:11 semiq 134:1 semiquincent... 4:11 7:17 19:10 107:22 108:6,13,21 110:6 112:7 114:6,19 124:7 124:16 127:5 131:8,13,22 133:1,4,17 148:6,21 149:6 149:12 150:20 151:6 senate 2:9,11 6:2,5 send 127:19 sending 93:21 senior 2:19,20 3:8,10,19 8:4 8:18,21 10:5,9 sense 28:2 60:12 73:13 February 27, 2024 Page 37 78:5 124:18 133:19,22 sent 23:16 63:11 sentiment 17:5 43:14 separately 157:19 series 95:2 125:19 130:12 130:19 131:4,6 131:14 134:12 134:12 135:3,4 135:5,13 139:2 139:9 140:5 141:10 142:7,8 143:6,9,20 147:20 148:9 158:1 serve 16:18 served 17:14 153:5 service 144:17 session 23:5 set 51:9 157:13 157:14 sets 143:7,8 settled 75:11 111:12 seven 106:5 136:19 several 102:5 146:3 161:17 shallow 51:13 51:17,18 shaped 21:15 109:11,21 shapes 55:6 73:11 79:18 share 16:17 24:4 38:16 39:5,16,20 40:16 64:12 110:2 149:18 154:20 shared 17:5 54:15 74:2 111:21 149:1 sharing 14:2 39:15,21 sheer 84:1 sheet 91:12 152:10 sheets 41:19 88:5,18 128:7 short 115:21 shoulder 155:13 show 19:17 32:21 33:9 39:6 76:21 77:21 82:16 85:15,16 95:6 124:13 showed 110:16 141:10 showing 77:3 84:11 94:18 109:10 shown 71:18 shows 33:8,10 40:9 47:12 48:3,6 77:4,5 shuttle 22:6,8 22:10,11,14 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 25:19 26:22 27:5,5 28:5,17 28:17,18,20 29:3,18 30:11 31:21 32:2,19 33:10,20 34:5 34:12 35:3 36:3,4,6,10,19 37:12,16 38:4 38:10 45:19 46:11 47:7,9 48:7,9 49:9 50:6,13,15,20 51:9 52:9 53:14 71:18 72:4 74:2 86:19 90:12 96:12,18 102:8 102:9 146:17 shuttles 37:15 79:8 103:20 145:22 sic 71:1 sick 86:8 side 26:12 90:8 94:7 sides 51:18 52:13 sign 101:12 signature 163:16 164:14 signed 66:6 significance 23:17 significantly 34:2 signify 12:15 59:10 162:6 Meeting [signifying - spacing] signifying 130:22 signing 132:1 silver 124:11 124:14 149:3,5 149:7,15 152:8 158:5,5 similar 28:4 31:3,9,20 38:6 40:14 45:4 47:18 48:2 72:21 81:6 117:12,13 similarities 39:22 40:8 similarity 31:17 45:17 47:18 similarly 133:15 simple 75:5 116:14 118:20 121:14,22 123:12,13,15 simply 80:22 81:4 91:12 92:1 116:6 126:10 161:6 simulations 87:2 simultaneous 145:7 simultaneously 125:13 127:17 single 22:10 63:10 64:2 121:10 February 27, 2024 Page 38 sir 9:21 11:20 25:13 70:3 139:5 sit 36:11 site 84:14 situation 86:5 six 51:7 92:7 106:4 128:12 128:13 size 32:20 148:16 157:9 skills 163:10 164:6 skipping 52:21 slightly 46:13 small 35:4 47:7 47:9 116:20 smaller 50:15 55:8 smallest 50:18 smithsonian 3:17 11:9 29:10 94:13 smoke 27:8 30:1 38:3 46:16 51:21 snapshot 102:17 soaring 146:16 146:17 software 60:17 solely 122:9 solemnly 14:12 14:13,14,16 soliciting 148:13 soliloquize 101:4 somebody 28:13 soon 75:4 sophisticated 100:13 sorry 25:12 38:13 50:3,22 52:20 53:2 54:21 56:3 57:16 62:1 99:20 103:4 115:2 130:3 138:22 151:21 152:5 159:15 160:4 sort 25:21 26:9 26:21 49:6 58:20 72:2 74:15 76:5 84:15,21 85:15 85:22 86:19 102:4,15,16,17 141:16 144:20 145:6,9,10,16 151:2 space 3:18 11:9 22:1,6,7,8,9,11 22:14,16 23:10 25:19 26:22 27:4,5,5,11 28:5,16,17,18 28:20 29:3,3 29:10,12,16,16 30:11 31:6,20 32:2,18 33:8 33:10 34:3,5,5 34:12 36:3,4 36:19 37:12,15 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 37:16,16 38:3 38:9 45:19 46:11 49:9 50:6,12,15 51:8 52:9 53:14 63:12,14 63:17,20 64:5 64:7 65:8,11 65:12,13,21 66:3,5,7,13,16 66:18 67:3,19 70:18 71:5,18 71:19 72:4 74:2,9,15 76:11,19 77:6 77:13,15,16,18 78:8 79:8 83:21 84:6,9 85:3,5,8,12,12 85:18 86:1,19 86:22 87:3 90:12 91:4,5 96:12,17,21 98:2 100:8 102:8,9 103:20 104:1,6,10,10 104:11,11 141:22 145:21 146:1,8,13,14 146:17,18 147:5 spacecraft 22:9 22:10 spacewalk 67:19 spacex 66:2 spacing 113:18 120:5,8 Meeting [spark - story] spark 26:10 sparkling 55:9 speak 5:9 34:17 45:1 47:4 125:13 138:7 149:19 speaker 5:16 59:17 60:5 99:10 speakers 12:17 58:9 59:12,15 129:13 159:5 162:8 speaking 25:6 29:6 53:11 55:1 68:13 76:16 100:1 118:16 speaks 74:12 102:15 special 19:17 104:5,7 148:21 154:12 158:6 specialist 2:19 3:10 8:19 10:9 specially 2:3,5 2:13 5:18 6:10 6:19 specific 24:7 26:20 58:22 72:2 73:22 74:1 84:18 105:6 specifically 19:1 40:1 43:15 65:3 69:21 72:5 77:11 130:10 February 27, 2024 Page 39 specificity 26:4 spectacular 18:12 38:1 speed 100:17 spelled 152:18 153:16 spinning 156:12 spirit 66:19 67:4,7 splitting 50:17 spoke 72:9 spoken 74:7 stacking 82:11 staff 3:13 8:10 10:22 18:6,9 18:17 19:2 21:20 49:17 125:1 stafford 2:18 8:16,17 20:3,8 23:2 24:4 38:13,16 39:12 39:14,19 40:5 40:12 44:22 49:22 62:19 63:2 64:16 67:14 71:12 104:16 108:7 108:12 111:14 111:20 114:11 114:21 115:2 115:12 123:21 124:2 130:1,5 130:8 138:1,11 139:5 147:21 148:4 151:18 152:4 stakeholder 105:2 stakeholders 19:3 101:13 131:10 161:15 stand 23:21 128:21 129:1 139:18 standalone 135:14 standing 66:10 149:14 152:7 standpoint 46:8 stands 44:11 162:11 star 82:15 stars 28:13 36:14 38:20 54:16 55:2,7,9 55:11,11,16 57:12,18,22 58:16,21 60:14 61:9 start 21:18 24:12 67:16 93:4 99:7 102:2 109:5 152:6 started 19:20 150:15 starting 19:7 97:8 131:15 134:13 starts 49:5 55:8 state 3:15 11:4 20:17 23:12 26:4 29:19 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 63:4 65:1,3,4,8 66:4 67:1,8 71:1 72:6 116:2 132:17 139:11 159:21 state's 26:5 78:19 stated 24:13 95:3 105:3 states 2:17 13:10,17 14:18 14:20 19:12 20:14,22 21:3 21:12 50:14 86:9 97:12 98:4 108:5 114:22 126:2 130:19 141:12 151:5 152:20 station 64:7 65:22 67:19 74:15 85:3,5 85:13 86:1 91:5 stations 84:10 statue 127:12 status 144:22 stay 53:7 112:5 step 151:18 stood 69:5 81:10 stop 27:16 88:11 151:22 156:12 stories 103:12 story 26:12 84:8 97:5,13 100:7 101:1 Meeting [story - talking] 103:17 104:3 strap 155:12 strategic 89:19 90:1 92:4 strategy 89:16 streamlined 122:14 street 1:10 strike 18:8 striking 83:13 85:1,10,13,19 86:15 87:4 strong 13:14 13:22 27:1,3 27:15 66:22 70:1 80:11 135:21 153:17 158:20 stronger 100:22 strongly 67:2 76:16 98:21 110:6 118:4 135:12 struck 73:3 125:18 161:10 structure 79:13 stuck 154:17 stuff 98:7 100:3 146:13 stunning 19:4 157:14 stupid 126:13 stylist 59:1 stylized 38:19 54:17 55:4 60:15 February 27, 2024 Page 40 subcommittee 150:8,13 152:22 subject 11:11 45:7 91:1 97:21 103:2,7 131:10 submission 128:18 submit 101:11 submitted 21:9 101:10 125:5 subsequent 64:3 successful 156:13 sucker 86:7 sufficient 52:10 suggest 26:18 55:15 57:8,19 127:16 147:15 suggested 132:7 suggestion 50:5 suggestions 130:13 suggests 97:11 suit 85:12 suitable 110:7 suite 19:16 108:18 sukrita 3:3 9:8 sullivan 2:19 8:18,20 39:17 superior 28:4 30:4 75:7 superiors 100:2 support 14:17 14:19 30:20 32:4 52:2 63:16 75:16 76:9 80:15 81:11 100:11 151:9 supporting 147:5 sure 17:6 23:7 28:13 34:22 37:2 38:15 39:19 50:4 54:12,20 56:15 58:22 90:18 111:20 114:9 115:8 146:7 160:20 surface 113:7 125:9 surpassed 23:13 surprised 154:11 156:22 surprises 153:2 survey 150:16 150:18 swapped 121:2 swear 14:12,13 14:14,16 swearing 4:3 7:6 13:1 sworn 163:5 symbol 100:9 symbolic 146:19 symbolically 100:21 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 symmetry 36:13 synchronize 100:16 system 22:8 63:18 89:20 systems 84:2 104:10 t t 4:1,1 table 43:9 60:11 102:21 105:13 132:6 144:19 take 15:11,13 41:10,12 43:14 52:11 56:12 73:9 86:20 88:9 97:6,7 106:16,20 107:2,7 111:17 127:19 134:6 147:17 151:15 taken 23:22 105:11 127:7 163:3,12 164:9 takeoff 27:6 30:3 38:5,9 takes 97:3 talk 45:2 54:10 77:14 110:18 124:10 142:15 157:18 talked 43:18 157:11 159:19 talking 5:8 9:22 27:13 Meeting [talking - thank] 77:16 102:5 145:21 146:16 150:22 tallies 41:13 tally 41:10 88:6 99:13 tangible 140:21 tate 3:10 10:9 10:11 taxes 144:17,18 team 39:5 65:5 101:3 112:9 126:22 160:18 technical 24:19 40:18 46:7,18 47:12 48:6 54:2 63:7 68:4 70:4 85:20 104:18 105:6 110:11 technically 52:1 technological 67:3 84:7 technology 29:12 46:19 66:15 67:7 83:21 103:12 telescope 55:10 tell 22:5 26:11 30:19 39:21 61:5 77:4 85:2 104:3 111:18 119:13 telling 77:3 103:17 154:16 tells 97:5,13 101:2 February 27, 2024 Page 41 ten 42:2,3 text 41:9 50:21 128:12 136:19 51:20 81:5,10 tending 71:17 88:5 tentatively texts 144:21 131:15 thank 8:7,14 tenth 148:17 8:15 10:2,8,12 term 17:3 11:21 12:10,13 terms 45:7 12:18,21 13:20 46:15 47:11 13:22 16:15,19 50:4 69:22 17:10 20:8 70:2,16 71:16 23:2 24:2,4,18 79:13 81:16 24:19 25:14,17 83:16 90:5,11 25:18 27:18,20 98:10 108:19 28:8 29:14,15 122:18 136:20 30:14,16 32:4 terrible 144:3 32:6,7,10 33:1 territories 33:4,17 35:10 20:14 35:13 37:8,9 tested 112:9 39:13 40:6,7 testifying 163:5 40:10,12,13,14 texan 65:9 40:22 42:8,12 texans 66:20 42:14,20 43:12 73:1 43:19,20 44:16 texas 3:16 7:15 45:10,11,13 11:3,6,11 21:3 46:3,21 48:10 21:8 62:17 48:11 49:11,12 63:1,5,10,10 51:1,3 54:8,20 65:3,6,9,11 55:14 58:5 66:2,4,7,21 60:3 61:3 67:9,17 68:7 62:10,12 63:2 69:12 72:16 64:16,20,22 73:2 74:3 67:12,14 68:1 75:10 77:1,20 68:2,17 69:1 77:22 78:1,2,5 70:3,10,11,15 78:19 85:17 71:12 72:12,14 86:18,21 88:4 74:4,20,21 94:16 95:18 75:1,12,13 96:12,21 97:4 76:14,15,15 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 78:20,22 79:2 79:3 80:12,13 80:13,20 81:13 81:14,19 82:22 83:9,10,12,14 87:5,6,9,21 88:9 89:6 90:17,18 91:9 91:18 92:12,13 92:16 93:16,17 94:3,5 95:11 95:12 96:9 97:17 99:1,6 102:19 103:7 104:12,13,17 105:10 107:3 107:17 108:12 110:10 111:6 112:12,16,18 113:9,19,22 115:1,2,3,17 115:18 117:3,4 117:18,19,22 118:13 119:1,2 119:4 121:3,4 121:6 122:2,4 123:4,5,19 124:19,20 125:11,14,20 125:22 127:7 127:14 128:19 129:6,9,19,21 130:8 132:11 133:12 134:9 135:9,10,16,18 135:19 136:22 137:2,5,7,13 137:14 138:9 Meeting [thank - three] 138:11 139:5 139:19,20 140:2 141:3,5 142:3,4 143:21 145:18 147:8 148:3 149:20 151:8,11,12 152:4,12,15,16 154:2,3,9,21 154:22 155:3 156:19,19 158:10,18 159:13 161:14 162:5,9,12 thanking 150:7 thanks 35:9 51:4 64:17,21 67:12 69:20 72:16 74:18 83:6 111:1 thematically 95:6 theme 63:10 70:17 71:20 75:9 76:18 77:10 78:14 79:22 80:4 83:18 90:13 94:9,9,19 95:3 95:8,8 98:9 131:7,20 133:10 134:6 135:14 136:5 138:20 141:2 141:13 146:1 146:15,20 themed 27:13 February 27, 2024 Page 42 themes 4:13 7:19 130:4,14 130:16 132:8 139:3,8 143:5 thing 32:11 34:20 35:19 48:8 50:18 54:12 77:6 78:11 84:13 95:15 102:4 119:10,21 140:9 things 18:22 19:9 25:22 26:7 47:4 73:10 86:17 94:14 98:22 104:9,10,11,11 119:5 124:7 142:7,14 143:10 144:14 144:15 146:11 160:17,22 think 26:13,13 27:10,16 28:4 28:15,19 29:15 29:18,21,21 30:8 31:9,19 32:17,18 33:2 33:7 34:11,11 35:2 36:13,17 37:22 39:11,15 43:2,16 44:2,6 44:8 45:20 47:6,8,12,16 47:18 48:1 51:13,16 52:1 52:3,14 53:13 53:22 54:13,17 57:15 58:17 59:20 60:11,16 60:18 65:10 69:21 70:12 72:3,4,8 74:7 74:11,12 75:4 75:7 76:10,17 76:20 77:1,7 77:18 78:12,13 79:12,20 80:3 83:13 84:6 85:9,14 86:10 86:11,21 87:4 87:13 89:13,18 89:20 90:4,12 90:15 92:3,18 94:8 95:9 96:4 96:15,17 97:5 97:11,13,14,17 98:8 99:12 100:6,13,22 101:15 102:11 102:14 103:17 104:2 106:12 107:8 111:17 113:1 114:14 116:5,11,14,19 118:6,10,20 119:7,9 120:1 120:10 122:16 123:1,9,20 124:12 126:5 126:13,16,19 126:19 133:15 133:15,18 134:8,12,14,16 134:21 135:13 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 135:14 136:5 136:13 137:8 137:16 138:3 139:13 140:5 140:10,20 141:7 143:6,13 144:10 146:1 146:14 147:9 147:11 149:22 150:18 151:3 153:2 154:1 159:18 160:21 thinking 35:16 65:11 71:19 72:7 86:3 101:10 139:17 145:12 155:22 thinks 96:22 third 13:7 144:20 thomas 3:15 11:3 63:3 64:18 thought 26:16 27:1,2,14 28:1 34:4 70:19,21 75:17 90:8,14 113:16 125:1 138:21 153:1 153:22 156:1 thoughts 11:14 50:1 72:21 91:19 103:8 108:22 147:4 three 7:7 13:4 17:14 21:6 22:13 28:13 32:15 33:11,18 Meeting [three - tucker] 42:3 59:13 74:10 88:22 89:2,17 90:6 91:4 92:5 109:19 131:14 131:16 132:2 133:3,6 134:13 135:15 137:3,4 137:8,9,16,16 140:5,9,14 142:9 143:12 143:14,17 147:6 thrilled 119:16 throw 64:11 thumbs 88:11 88:14 128:3 tie 78:7,14 85:9 89:1,4 120:22 ties 36:18 79:6 time 5:4 13:21 18:5 24:2 29:20 35:22 37:4 38:12 54:14 64:1 80:7,18 89:19 93:20 94:20 96:21 98:13,22 100:15 107:10 110:17,19 118:1 123:17 124:21 132:21 134:3 137:10 138:18 142:12 143:13,18 151:3 153:14 153:18 154:16 155:16,18 February 27, 2024 Page 43 156:8 157:11 158:16 160:7 times 55:2 81:22 93:20 159:17 tip 151:1 today 8:11 10:18 11:22 19:7,21 21:4 23:1 27:14 62:12 64:3,21 67:13 68:3 107:3,20 146:7 159:9 161:16 today's 7:1 74:16 159:12 161:13 together 17:19 17:22 19:19 79:6,14 96:15 96:19,20 117:16 130:15 150:14 157:13 told 84:8 tongues 151:1 toning 155:14 tons 142:6,22 took 95:14 106:18 157:12 tool 92:1 top 53:8 89:22 90:6 120:9 topography 82:19 torn 26:14 72:18 90:10 122:5 134:7 toss 141:6 144:7 total 22:17 106:1 tough 93:10 towards 71:17 90:8 97:18 trace 140:10,10 tracing 140:12 track 23:13 159:20 160:14 160:16 161:3 tradition 145:17 traditions 82:8 train 66:17 training 13:7 66:16,21 69:12 transcriber 164:1 transcript 5:10 138:7 164:3,5 transcriptionist 163:8 transcripts 81:1 transition 22:8 translate 35:17 transport 22:12 tread 136:4 treasury 12:3 20:12,21 31:15 153:15,15 160:2,3 161:8 tree 26:20 130:21 143:7 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 trees 26:19 tremendous 158:11 tremendously 150:19 trend 103:21 tribute 30:11 30:12 tried 106:20 126:20 trilogy 145:5 trouble 64:19 true 15:5 126:16 155:19 163:9 164:5 truly 37:14 119:17 truth 15:3 try 25:4 53:10 68:11 95:5,9 97:9 115:20 trying 70:20 78:16 94:10,11 95:6 101:2 106:16 118:2,2 tucker 2:13 6:9 6:11,11 12:12 12:12 30:15,16 30:17 39:7,21 43:12,13 45:13 45:14 48:15,16 51:3,4 54:5,6 58:12 68:17,18 70:3 73:9 80:20 81:18 91:18 92:18 93:4 99:3,4 117:4,5 123:19 Meeting [tucker - vehicles] 123:20 124:19 125:22 126:1 135:10,11 141:5,6 152:15 152:16 158:18 162:4,4 tuesday 1:6 5:4 turn 13:18 38:14 55:2,21 57:2 111:14 122:3 turned 159:22 turnout 152:19 twice 105:21 twinkle 55:10 two 20:22 23:5 43:7 50:17 69:14 70:22 73:18 75:8 79:14 85:3 89:21,22 96:19 98:12,21 102:12 105:18 105:19,21 106:1 112:18 113:1,14 116:1 116:9,20 117:8 117:17 118:5,6 118:10 119:17 120:11 121:22 127:5 130:10 132:2,3 135:2 138:15 147:4 154:5 158:1 tx03 67:1 tying 79:13 type 86:4 February 27, 2024 Page 44 types 82:7 typewriting 163:7 typically 51:17 u u.s. 14:9 17:21 18:6 20:16 114:10 131:18 136:7,10 148:10 ugly 50:8 ultimately 18:8 78:17 161:7 umbilical 91:6 unacknowled... 84:1 uncirculated 148:14 under 126:21 143:20 undergirds 84:12 underneath 47:3 underpin 84:2 underscoring 23:17 understand 29:22 77:2 78:18 85:13,19 86:7 97:9 104:8 119:19 119:20 120:21 126:11 understanding 24:5 57:16 94:19 understood 74:19 undisputed 23:9 unfortunately 102:18 unidentified 59:17 60:5 99:10 unique 21:15 69:8 73:10 110:5 119:10 united 2:17 13:10,17 14:18 14:20 19:12 50:14 86:9 97:12 108:5 114:22 126:2 130:19 141:12 151:5 152:20 universe 85:18 unrealizable 144:4 unrepresented 17:13 unser 3:20 8:5 untethered 91:4 unusual 69:8 79:19 119:21 upcoming 19:10 161:16 upper 32:1 urban 141:17 urge 53:16 use 22:9 63:20 81:4,9 90:1 91:12 95:18 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 used 13:10 45:4 76:6 114:12,13,16 123:22 useful 39:11 86:1 107:5 118:11 137:22 using 82:11 87:2,2,2 usmint.gov. 31:3 usually 119:4 119:21 utilize 156:4 v v 31:7 40:4,5,6 49:1 valuable 84:7 87:13 104:2 133:17 value 160:20 van 1:5 2:3 6:18 51:19 vantage 34:20 35:2 variety 126:20 127:1 131:9 140:18 various 10:17 108:15 vasquez 2:20 8:21 9:1 vault 157:12 vehicle 31:6 vehicles 37:13 37:20 Meeting [ventris - we've] ventris 2:17 8:13 13:16 verbose 50:22 verify 86:16 version 71:5 74:16 109:13 109:15 114:13 117:10 119:9 120:4 122:8 149:15 152:9 157:9 versus 44:5 47:2 77:9 96:3 102:16 verticality 51:14 viable 127:3 video 5:7 view 28:2 53:3 viewer 36:22 45:22 viewpoint 69:4 146:10 virginia 163:19 virtual 105:15 106:2 visible 69:6 vistas 141:10 visual 26:17 114:4 visualization 103:20 visualize 95:19 vital 67:3 voice 59:20 volunteers 17:20 February 27, 2024 Page 45 vote 12:15 28:6 42:13 43:4,5,7 43:15,16 44:2 44:5,13 48:13 48:17 54:21 56:2,4,6,8,13 57:20 59:20 60:1 61:2,20 89:14 92:6,10 93:7,11 96:5,6 98:12,21 99:7 99:13 105:13 106:7 121:1,21 voted 54:14 votes 75:19 voting 31:19 44:5 61:5 89:19 90:1 91:22 92:1,4 106:4,5 129:16 129:18 144:17 145:8 w w 3:15 11:3 wait 70:5,12 93:2 138:14 walk 108:7 130:2 walking 149:13 151:20 152:6 want 5:12 10:15 25:17 26:7 30:3 33:1 35:14 37:21 43:6 54:10 61:7 64:20 76:1,4 81:3 89:15 91:10 110:3,19 119:18 124:15 126:13 141:16 147:21 154:10 wanted 23:7 33:20 38:16,22 39:2 45:2 48:19 54:15 87:16 90:13,22 93:19 97:20 103:6 104:15 104:16,20 105:4 110:20 125:15 153:19 153:21 156:22 wants 138:16 war 154:13 warren 3:6 8:1 8:3,4 9:17,20 10:3 11:20 25:12,13 29:5 41:7 42:18,18 52:18,21 53:1 56:16,18,22 57:2,6 59:22 60:2 61:15,19 61:22 88:10,14 90:19,21 93:18 93:19 94:2 99:15,17,21 102:22 103:2 104:14 105:16 105:18,20 106:3,10,14,18 107:12,17 110:15,16 112:14 113:20 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 115:7,7 127:22 128:3 129:16 138:14,21 152:2 154:6 159:14,16 160:10 wars 153:5 washington 1:11 37:17 65:4 watching 8:2 35:22 way 18:3 27:3 31:8 36:2,7,21 38:3 44:9 49:17,20 50:7 76:6 80:7 84:4 85:18 91:15 96:5 101:5 103:14,16 104:3 117:14 117:17 118:11 125:4 127:11 138:3 140:13 141:22 143:1 145:11 150:20 157:8 ways 26:2 27:6 47:18 73:4 83:22 136:14 140:21,22 145:1 we've 23:22 43:18 55:3 81:22 102:5 131:9 147:9 159:19 Meeting [website - york] website 31:3 week 23:4 weeks 23:6 161:17 weigh 87:20 93:8 97:14 124:3 137:15 weight 94:9 120:15 weiman 88:17 128:6 138:2 weinman 3:8 6:22 10:5,6 41:9,18,21 42:11 44:8,15 56:20 58:1 60:16 61:1,4 71:8 87:10,12 88:6,19 92:15 104:21 111:13 114:14 128:9 128:21 138:6 weird 120:5 welcome 8:8 11:13 16:12,21 32:11 154:4 158:15 wellbeing 35:1 went 33:5 40:2 157:1,11 wes 3:15 11:3 64:18 72:1,12 74:5,20 76:15 83:2,5 101:22 102:19 107:4 white 3:12 10:13 February 27, 2024 Page 46 whoops 134:18 wide 87:15 wife 64:20 wings 51:15 winner 92:8 wise 50:17 55:12 120:9 withdraw 54:5 58:3 withdrawn 54:9 witness 163:4 woman 71:5 women 66:17 67:5 74:8,10 wonder 49:7 126:7 141:12 wonderful 18:6 23:3,3 40:10 76:13 79:10 80:2 91:9 128:19 129:19 136:22 138:9 141:3 143:21 158:22 wondering 125:1 wong 81:7,8 woolfley 3:21 125:14 147:18 148:2 149:20 156:2 word 52:8,14 77:20,20 78:1 78:2 wording 49:1,3 81:9 86:14 101:9 words 16:14 22:3,20 23:8 47:14,15 49:9 49:18 50:5 53:22 64:10 65:7 73:5 76:6 76:6,8 work 14:2 17:17,22 18:5 29:11 35:14 36:14 52:13 53:10 55:17 64:21 65:2,5 67:11 72:22 77:5 78:8 79:20 131:13 136:10 157:1 worked 20:17 126:18,21,21 126:22 working 16:13 18:16 82:2 131:11 152:22 works 36:13 44:9 122:13 123:2 world 3:19 8:4 19:18 65:21 154:13 156:12 world's 22:8 worried 73:21 worry 73:15 worth 72:10,11 86:3 92:9 93:15 103:17 wreaths 45:5 wrestling 69:14 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 write 34:15 writer 81:10 wrong 24:6 30:8 102:7 127:2 130:3 y yeah 40:20 43:22 45:1 47:1 50:12 52:3 53:19 87:21 90:20 94:1,3 99:16 102:2 106:13 106:16 110:21 113:18 126:18 140:4 142:6,10 142:13 156:21 year 17:9 19:8 23:11,12,14 31:1 66:6 108:4,9 131:7 131:14,17 132:2 133:3,5 133:7 135:4,4 135:15 140:5 147:6 148:9 years 17:14 21:15,16 22:15 102:9 103:22 132:9 133:6 134:6 137:3,9 137:16 147:7 148:10 yellen 21:10 yields 104:20 york 13:11 37:17 97:2 Meeting [young - zero] February 27, 2024 Page 47 young 77:14,14 78:17 youth 14:3 z zero 89:18 90:7 92:7 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376