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TO:

Mr. E c c l e s

FROM:

J . H. Daiger




Confidential memorandum
Not for publication (JMD)

Notes for Thursday evening, March 18, 1937, Hotel Carlton
Construction and Civic development Department Committee
and Special Committee on Housing
Chamber of Commerce of the United States
Meeting called to consider Wagner Housing Bill

One of the hard and disconcerting facts about most large
economic and social problems is that they are never the same problems
very long. While you are trying to deal with them, and before you
have found more than a partial remedy, the very nature of them is
altered by the pressure of new events. To keep pace with the changing problems of a dynamic industrial society, therefore, we need to
have something like the dexterity of a chameleon on a piece of Scotch
plaid. We have to adapt our thinking quickly to altered circumstances,
and to be prepared at any time to say that what we said yesterday no
longer holds today.
It is from this practical point of view that any business
man takes with regard to his own enterprise that I think we now have
to approach the problem called housing and the related but inherently
different problem called slum clearance or slum rehabilitation.
Neither of these problems is today what it was four years ago, three
years ago* two years ago, or even one year ago. Both the housing
problem in general and the slum problem in particular have been




_ 2 altered by the impact of industrial recovery over this four-year
period, and especially by the rate of activity that business has
now developed on a veiy wide front.
The building boom of the 1920rs, which on the housing
side culminated in the apartment-building craze, left us with a
surplus of new housing at the top and a surplus of bad housing at
the bottom—a large number of vacancies at both extremes when we
entered the depression. In other words, the building boom of the
1920fs emptied a great many slum dwellings, still left many vacancies
above the slum level, and thereby provided a very practical basis for
initiating, when the depression set in, a widespread program of slum
clearance and rehousing. The Committee on Recent Economic Changes,
which made its notable report in 1929 and which you doubtless remember, commented on the mounting percentage of vacancies in the
run-down and congested districts, but did. not recognize the opportunity that this presented for both long-range civic planning and
long-range economic planning.
There is not the time, nor is there with this group the
need, to recount the lost opportunities for forward planning in the
1920fs and for slum rehabilitation in the first half of the 1930!s.
You atre in a better position than I am to know that a slum-rehabilitation program, large enough to be effective as a reserve of public
works to be released in a period of depression, must be the result
of long prior planning on the part of Federal, State, and local




- 3 governments, and of all the social, civic, and other groups mainly
concerned with the slum problem.
The situation that confronts us in 1937 is not a surplus
of new housing at the top and of bad housing at the bottom, but a
shortage all the way down the line* Incongruous and ironical as it
may seem, the housing conditions of many low-income families have
been made worse instead of better by the increasing rate of industrial
recovery* The explanation of this is that recovery has greatly increased the demand for workers in communities where during the depression precious little new housing was built and precious little :
money was spent to repair or recondition slum properties. For two
or three years now, the demand for housing of all kinds has been increasing faster than the supply of housing has been augmented by new
construction* And of course all during the past seven or eight years
boys and girls have come of age, got married, and had babies; and so
the population has increased and will continue to increase even if we
have to put the new families in trailers, tents, and wigwams.
Some studies recently made in the economics division of
the Reserve Board give what I think most of you will regard as an
extremely moderate estimate of the effective demand for new housing
over the next five years, provided that prosperous conditions of
business prevail. Measured by the long-term average ratio of
vacancy to occupancy in non-farm dwellings, there is indicated by
these studies a present shortage of some 400,000 to 500,000 dwelling
units. The studies then indicate that if 800,000 new units are




- 4 averaged each year for the next five years, we shall have a reasonably comfortable housing situation as far as the number of housing
units is concerned; that if the average is 700,000 units annually,
we shall still have approximately the same shortage that we have now;
but that if the average for the five-year period should be no more
than 600,000 units a year, the shortage will then be acute and will
be comparable with the worst period after the World War,
You have seen estimates of both the present shortage and
the prospective demand that run a good deal higher than these; but,
as far as I am aware, no one who has studied the matter has reached
any conclusion other thanithat our main housing problem over the next
five or ten years will be to avert an acute shortage. Last year's
construction is estimated at only some 250,000 units; the estimates
for the present year, I believe, generally run upward of 400,000,
though whether these estimates are high, low, or moderate I am unable to say.
In these circumstances, it seems to me that a discussion
of the benefits of slum clearance—benefits to be exacted as a condition of any public-housing program—is for the immediate future,
at least, largely academic. We cannot have any nicely balanced
program of so many slum frimilies rehoused to so many slum units demolished until we begin to see our way out of this housing shortage.
It likewise seems to me largely academic to talk about
pointing up the Wagner bill with refinements of detail that as a
practical matter can be developed only by administrative policy and




- 5 regulation and then put to the test of operating experience.
The United States is not a compact little industrial island like
Great Britain, where uniformity of housing practice is possible.
Ours is a country of continental dimensions, with great variations
in climate, in the types of housing adaptable to local conditions,
in accessibility to the different kinds of building materials, and
in local or regional customs, occupations, living costs, income
levels, rent levels, and racial groups. As some British observers
of the American experiment in recovery recently put it on their return home, the United Kingdom is about equal to the combined area
of the States of New York and Pennsylvania; each of nine States is
larger than the island of Great Britain; and the distance from New
York to Los Angeles is greater than that from London to Baghdad.
The problem of slum tenanqy, like the problem of farm
tenancy, is the result of long neglect and long waste of human,
material, and natural resources. What the Tfagner bill does—the
most important thing it does, as I see it—is to put the study of
slum tenancy on a permanent basis and to make slum rehabilitation
the subject of long-range planning. It seems to me far more important to accomplish this than to try to spell out in a bill the
precise manner in which public agencies shall construct housing,
fix rentals, admit tenants, manage properties, and clear slums.
I am purposely refraining from discussing the financial provisions
of the bill because, as you know from press reports, these have been
made the subject of official discussions that have not yet been




- 6 concluded.
Now to come back for a moment, in conclusion, to what
I have asserted to be our main housing problem*--namely, the
avoidance of an acute shortage, with the rent crisis, the price
inflation, the economic dislocation, the social distress, and the
governmental intervention—local, State, and Federal—that such a
shortage would almost certainly involve. The four-year program of
housing construction contemplated in the Wagner bill, even if it
should be fully availed of and completed within that period, would
supply only a very small proportion—say seven or eight per cent—
of the estimated requirements for new housing over those four years.
On the construction side, then, the much larger question is what
private industry can do or will do.
If the housing industry, in its numerous component parts,
directs its energies mainly toward the building of small, inexpensive,
and durable houses, there is a huge market ahead. There is also thus
presented the opportunity for utilizing on a large scale new and lesscostly methods of housing construction and mortgage financing; the
opportunity also—I think you will not question this—to develop a
more responsible construction industry than we had in the 1920fs.
The temptation is now strong, I concede, to go on the theory that
high costs and high prices have never restrained house buyers from
being foolhardy, have never arrested a building boom until supply
had far outrun demand and smashed the market; and that the practical
thing for the men who set the pace in the construction industry to do




- 7 is to push up prices and "make their pile."
But there is nothing foreordained or inevitable in this.
We are only on the threshold of opportunity, not headlong into it,
and the choice of ways and of markets is still to be made. We are
at that juncture where long-range thinking on the part of the manufacturers of houses, and especially on the part of the manufacturers
of the materials and equipment that go into houses, is our most urgent
housing need. From the point of view of the professional, industrial,
and financial groups that your committees represent, this is a much
larger problem, I suggest, than is presented to you by the Wagner bill.
Some of you are frankly hostile to the Wagnor bill, some of
you feel that you ought to find a way to support it in principle; but
among you this evening you have expressed such a variety and diversity
of opinions as to what the bill should somehow contain and anticipate,
that you would so load it with administrative restrictions as to
render it unworkable. I would further suggest, then, that in whatever action your committees may take as an outcome of this meeting,
you be less concerned with making the Wagner bill an instrument of
perfection thtm with bringing forcibly to the attention of your
constituent bodies the seriousness of the housing problem with which
they themselves have directly to deal.