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5TIN0 OF THE COMIIITTBB OK BANKING LB0Z8LA7I0I January 12, 1937 10:15 A.&» Secretary siorgenthau J # P# T. O'Connor Leo T» Cro ley Marriner Secies Daniel W. Bell Jesse Jones Cyril B. Uph&a Croivleyr In the Banking Act of 1935 there were certain provisi • Liquidations, and the thought that »• have in our ailad - we do not .••ont to interfere with anything that Mr. O'Gonnor rants* but e do not want anything to interfere vlth us* Arid we imnwilHiii last ysar that th« enabling clause be put in there to the Sffoct th*t nothing in tinis Act would r f fact Section 12 of th r&l Reserve Act of 1935, regarding the powers given to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, And this de^ls v/ith liquidation of closed banks and stockholcers and t like that, Lch in our judgraent is perfectly all right providing it is restricted to banks closed ;?rior to January l f 1934^ because the banks that have closed since January 1, X934i '«ere insured banks• And the thing that we want is that enabling clause I re that protects the Federal Deposit Insurance. No , there is a disagreement between .'fr. 0fConnor und ourselves as to vhether it should, go iru But our argusMnt is that if it is not nocessary it doos no r ., ;.nd if it is necessary it is • good provision. 0fConnor: ich one of the bills is that? Crowley* It deals with the allocation of expenses. O'Connors Which one? low9 is Crowleyi -e see n object! n that that be Included in the legislation. O'Connor I Let's t-ke it up here. It has nothing to do v*ith capital requirements for conversion? Crowley? Here*! the first - Capital Requirements* No, we don't care about that. - 20' Connort Just fat them straight on this , the next one Is Liability Ur on I of Common rational Banking aaaoolatlom Raaultinj fr the Conversion of I * Hot I 0 EMtfUK into tha Rational itn tttat. No. O'Connor: t ' s tl toiid« iiuaber Three or-. . M BtocR. Kothing I I vitk t h a t . I had MHMfthing to $*y on Q'Conuori Well, let f ^ clear v Crowley: « LJ fir:?t. c&re akottt !•»«#•« ltf» lumbar Five OH 3« Number Fiva« O'Connor! I iXlj I h^ve f<n.other one, Uphami Uext p&ge. You ure on Paga 2, Dividends on Cotnaon Stock, -ulntory Povartj next page, 3« failall O'Connors Faff S| *^uabcr Three. No, •' .:, Five, is tha one that HF« Crowley if rafarrlof Jones; w&s foiMf to raa4 that finally. I'm sorry, I thought we'd get clear on these and..*. ii.M.Jri Ihat Mr* O'Connor wasti to do Is to go over every one and you (Crovlay) check the onat taet you.,.. O'Connor: No.v, on Page 3 is thli Number Four - N M for U t i O B of Crodit Unions. Crowleyi Wa don't oars for thet. O'Connor? a li Hc-^uletory Powers. you..... Now, is that Crowleyi We'd like to hove In the Regulatory Powers that J.LV regulatory power to be given is - Lt doesn't Dt the legislation of 1935* In other words, what #e wfant, gentlemen - *e don'trc;intany peers now that are going to give any right or regulation that cancels powers given to us in 1935* If this is legislation that deals with things prior to Aeral Deposit Insurance, thot is perfectly satisStory* but not since. O'Connor? Oh. Crowleyi That's right, on Page 3» O'ConnorI lo > on Page 4, Apportionment of Salaries* Crowlegri low, wait i minute, that's Rational Bask rules and things like that* Then .t over into Balarles* Tiie only thing tl s say - »e don't cure what you allocete in the way of salaries to your own o.rfices or to recelTerships that you had prior to 19'3A$ but &rX no sal«;ri«s allocated to our receiverships since January 1, 1934* because that is an expense thot we carry. Jonest You want no - no additional salaries? to carry it? Crowlegri That applies to Five, Leo? You are supposed s, *e do carry it.# /onasi Then you don't want addltlc3nala Crowleyt Biatfi right* in other vordSj you don't smnt the two offlees siloanting tali rles a^einst one receivership. Crowley: Ho he Rllocj.tes his expense throughout his offices is none of cur business« , that - the simplest ti us is that if you will Just simply put in that elauae In there that nothing in this ct Lection 12 of the Federal Reserre act of 1935 as far sg Pedoral Deposit Xnsuranoe is concerned, thi\t illl take sare of our end of the thing* OfConnor* Well, of course, I think Mr. Crowley's probably too broad. t he says - that •• carry .0 expense of the receiverships - that, of course, is not I fact. The expense of receiver-ship is borne by the receivership trust and Congress has imposed upon the Comptroller1s office oertaln duties tmd responsibilities with reference to the receivership trust, because the change is that the Comptroller •hall appoint the Federal Deposit Insurance Corpora* tion, and then pith elaborate detail the statute goes on. Therefore, it is the trust that ph.ys the expense. Now, whatever expense* is incurred by the Comptroller's office ha* rot to be paid by the trust, and the sume with the Federal Deposit; whatever expense is incurred there, it's got to he paid froa the trust. , roa ir« Growler's statement* the Comptroller shall hHve no power for allocating or eharglng any ^c against a trust for which he is responsible* •M«Jri O'Connor? »H»/ri O'Connor: • '-.I,Jr: Let me aak you a question just for ay Lnforaatiottj see? This question of is suing - letting the Comptroller have powers to issue rules and regulatlORfj s<^e? - Li that something new? That Ll new to this extent, Mr. i>ecretr,ryz that we found • number of cases where we don't trant to have a specific statute, but we feel we ought to hare - to be able to adopt ••• rule or • regulation* For instance, let me rive y u • concrete illustration. At the present tiso, s National Bank ftan keep the key of the owner or renter of a deposit box in the bank, so that the bonk or the employees m y have aceesi to that* Vt feel that in no case ihould a Rational Bank have any control or even be able to receive the key of that depositor. If he keeps it in there - we have had a lot of olalaa filed* - e have hud e lot of trouble. Well, let me &sic you thia« If you are llTan this authority to issue these rules hnd regulatlonai they in effect become I lav, don't they? Yes, sir. Well| why - if Congress is going to give that authority, vhy shouldn't that authority be given to the Secretary of the Treasury? - 53fCorinor2 Ofcj I ' d rfttfeftf !•¥• i t t h e r e . i t? o f Connor: . '.Jr; B«H»/n I 1 ,. r*th«r« otly« That vould be i tl factprj to Mj I ae*i .,- Ren •• ! - - I . • ;• [ i s no ot . . . : .-. i , ir ;• : . :-.ue ruli ;. - •- •' • i • •.. • ' . r r I j i t t a no#« Du 2 . tOBJ e- n 1 1 1. t i n • -. Li • rui (lift t l on . »ut subftittl&c i t bo i tot a| i proval« I s n ' t that right* Bell? I 'i?>nuv of 13. . . . Lli ies ii. vi.Jr; Bulls ..."..Jr: Hi X rj rullai s? t i l y e s , t;i':tf;? r L . : t , i i u t ^i•^ey b*V4 r « g u l c i o n s , , r h i o b ^r€ i . . buty j ••.•• ; . ; r .•. . ,.:.Jr: I •attiority r e s t s - Lll - vlth t.. orett-ry pf : he- ;. retsury. ^ci.'.., iouidn't Uiftt c little bits O'Connors -:.- ; . '\Jr: do i t . . ii tbia iltoatioa off BttT«. :.eHi [« . J r : :.v Whst? ».... •. 1 Vfe tO t k « I I. t h e ie-jer&l . . , : ' • i t Zl Ho«| to are not Lntere; tod we don't at any adaua . ? right to rerulxte that'l ;'e.:^r:.l fc :e --o:\ M you oh&ngt L:IC l*v« . . .3 i t regv or tit t - ;on<.'s got to e f f e c t the I >r,, other than - .o«, fti fay ^s roaolvorthl.pl fxre oonoernodj tbot'i bev-.- ; sontroTorslal thin ..DW: t i n e , .'.v haven't been e n t i r e l y in BOOord. U vcrf h^Vfciift :• . .: ty in g o t t l o i ftloftg. But OTI :* | o t t o bf »d "Co loteralMO t h e d o f l a l t i ;• ; i« But i n t . : , u n t i l jrpu . ot in tht pleeo th»t you i n golm to free ?• Lot of thoso things, t i l e ask i s t h a t oa't pomlt dny . inr t :In- i . .. thll | onf Li itlng tbon it Is now, u •f . . • . : i ri 9 oortolo t | 2 i o n t tblxs it to regulate - to ii; SCMIO • :. tl eoostvui rbat -e» 1] d. In Lnlstrntlofif In udGtini:-:tr:• t i o n . l f tbli tiij : there i s oothlsi in thla b i l l th&t o« we aren't : . • •• nothir^-; in bliort Uut '•:'-•• • :iy. If ti - *nd t <• 1 1 - . 5. I ro is it i t . Eiot M | 1 T; « tin Un • i that 1 think oufht to go i n . I | . Lat i. the S: •« ostc .*, v. .. the Fo4oral Roaorvo EkM (he r< Lbllltjr of ltoulai rogul«tlon», i< i • f:. :. oka are meal • . iten^ t§ v e i l «3 oortala i t a t o sjemb. . in goin^ ovt:r this t t e r .. >ur Boar i'V thj .. .. vc to Sf^y 6bout i t s *tpoOlflO BAttOri :. / . : ULatory power ahould forth in the \MWt tad th< • iilatoyy Ij y to no o t h e r s . * .;bjcct to the set At torlty sho - aI think n e«n suorten i t • l i t t l e ;vort. Kr* Cro^ley's point aa Hhatavar particular faction bara LI of th«a* lor that aatttr - If that La eovarad by rrlaor'a point, that «• tad i s r g r e e : : o the ?raaaury ovar bara - well, that w i n elaar us than ail the objections that the Federal salt Insurance Corporation bat* ::. : '.Jr; fall* the only point, aa I sty - you baTfl agrood to that - if any agancy vhlofc i s 1B tha Traaiury gttt tha authority froa Confraai to issue r u l t s and ragulationi - I aaaa I vant It to go ovar ?ny aifaa« tut a. I aaaa I aon't ^^nt aa ftgancg in tha Traaaury issuin" ru.ica and ragulatlona that I don't htve the control :iv^r» I althar vant trie aganej la Tsury or »ist Ot i t . xou ae&n to ru:ve t t of tha Saorati ry • Ulf»Jri just res<k iiu, -*T.y e l l the othar auth that itoanj Uw l« U*fn by afid i l t h tha consent M | aa A as l a taut souia Jo i t . lOj Juat haT# i t raad that rules aad rafuXatloaa( - I .:.H know ahat tha iagal L ;• la f but I iiit, .n I Caere alfht be porfactly ."ell sojae O;.rier .ry of tha traaa^ry or aoaa othar 7oaptroXlaTj n^ tha Comptroller laaun rafulatlooi vhloh would oi £;bao.Luttly - It^j be OppOHad t o i t , b u t I ' d oa?a n o t h i n g , I c o u l d n ' t stO] i t . So I almply s^y that »a lot>| aa trie Coaptrollar*a off lot i s in the traaaufy »au iv. t r t going to gat Lthorlty to Latua rules aad raguletlonaj I vant thai authority to rast with the Saoratary of th< . turyj that'a a l l . Ana so far &3 I knowi I don't haven't • there baaa*t been i:ny conflict so fur. Ifm sure the Coaptrollar »on f t object to that* OfConnor I . ,Jr: Oh no. I n other ->:•. ., •• Baoratary, on Regulatory mtB - aov* if that t§ Lntroduoadf than tha point tbara i s thai »hat#var regulatory powari art ^w^n snoulo La uaual aga ba issuea anaer tha ••©rotary of the Trttaury. is that i t ? O'Connor: got tlM t out of t h e ••jr !#• Tfcen y 0 • CoaB c;1:-..1.' I going to consider 1 Sfcftt'a right. t;.i;, t »•;;;;-. Ift v . tr#ftftUFf " uld not be in Boefllat irtt .Ion of tny OthO? finnBOlft] -. .. of the Government. Ian*t t boiling In dotnftj £colo»f . .-.: l o t . f l t h i a UM | o r l i I or in conflict r • rft»t&bllBhffi<mt»of th« Cr , .Jr i kfr« ' . 0*Connor • : . ' •.. aay that - tru t Ir« Joaoa1 i itr at tidying i t , r l i we a: . o r t bi oJt i t l i O'Connor: fc.S.Jri ' , . t t u t * )ir* • »o of you tfcroo • - e f LI # i i no--, T . 3acrat«ry f to vi-vrry out on t h i s Ft a g u i. • t o ry »• • just, a o 't w to be iat rlta the r t lit< you ic Congrass to aaumd a l l tao otaor ata>tutosf thora l i i roat . ust of t h i ; t . Kor ii I » l i |lV« you £ very import, it »aa ttoro Congroaa . >n taa Coaptrollov or t Currency to laoua r t f u l a t l o a a v i t h roforonoa t o tho aoeurltloa puroiu •. - t h a t or. rohaaad by tae Baaic for la I tat purpoaoo. iO9| taora i i |FO*t m^ny of those aWtuti rhioh i boon t&era Tor sixty yea?& or ^.are, t&d to be consistent, I Just .. at out U*o« • • • i t ' s nevitr -:v, I y aawor f a i t alaca ! • • • booi aor« that the •. . . .©en taa o f f l o a of Ui4f ! p trol tho Currency b t ( the Irersury is t«tlafaotory. oooaooa it la II else la the Troaaury^ UM taj I Ooatr how to atadla position vita I i t in too aat fro* an; reel i s Llfco i t i s in tali • itlos o i to ? Keaerdl . >l C o n t r o l . I r.y the ?roaldoat La Vmt • Loa>Si Xroaaury JT doflaltoly ttka i t out** • 10 t a l i Bum i I -or i s taoro* He f 3 there now* igreoa p*ssed i i«w oroatlai ? Coaalsslon. The President never fIIlea tht ffmiiiistnn., ec ta refore i t i s s t i l l t a t r e . Si has to tubalt hie "it:;ftttd? 11 his tppoll >* Just I thi otfeors do« He holds the ; bterlnff or; hlf rules : ilatloai tad Ihoi s^« ' tlioa up to M «nd I've ,^ot to sign tbOB| but I M i U o&rtic! i • in ;, I Cii.nft .v:*tlci;>^ te In i v ttu t r i g h t . .. I :•? Lll I dpn11 I 8«a(t< ili . OIM 01 ^e I did send i tly • w the . . m El tp to find i . Pros Id oat. tor . i -.> if yc-u Control - Sit) irt 9f felM Buroou of latoj cica; i t o u t <sr. . i t ta i 1 • It to us, tndopoadoa t ilbXo«w Iso - X I i t LSj but If * • ir« O'Cosaori : • - Lblo *!fos because I eaa't be :•it thoro« In I cer* Mttd I l just in * . l b hia • i t •. I at o rooa B the So I D Commission* And I feel that if it as Ci« I t ..... I gontod to Qtll jrour tttontioa t o , M Sodrotary* ... . J r : If i -• • .• I t , i*a liks iadopoadoat or na latogr*! Tbst's the Coaptroll.tr*i of .. .Jr: C'Connori : .. . J r : f Jonnor: .. .Jr: Ihst 1 ! tai Coaptrollor'l office, l sibls or oot. I . . you c t n ' t appoint . : er... to it r% of UM Pri ^ . at to be noe - tout /our tpprov*l« ....unless I ai^;n i t . Or i>n A s s i s l r n t dner • Kxi .. -.- •*; I ci n 1 • but, on ths sthor b*od« you ?-int r: -;>t of taiagi over - 11 - •tilth X hsve BO c o n t r o l . mnori ..j.r: )* Connor i tn*t*o r i g h t . Lifco tlM OM I nontl BAIIJ othort* -, up to nov there•*•: .• lloti. lovot»« . tl &og night co&c ROD there vouXd 'oe, tnd the rooponolblxity on both you »nd x vy t o orlty« 0fConnori •M # Jn it*a right* . Dd i f wo or Ing t X i t up otu wr tlu a .'•f ^nnori ; ty X . . .T . . •, r tti itlon t • I foot I aoafi Tfve Hod thii • on Fo4oml Al • Control, I otltlon thc-r& boon Bbeolutolj - . .1 i t :. . . It out. IOIOOI • tlon on t. • so on tnia , E>lntj -aur rolatloti . i iBolt io«*»« nto i t , I'd like to oXoor ihip - our ottoXo rtl*tlonsb.lpi boo 4 ilgta I - very la at il . - »rfo< il send for ;ae nna *»y, r lidn^t .• of* And I*:. -- o o y t tion three ye? -1J r *Wty Ldnft •. lids't • • • -. .-• • .7 atten- I t sc-e;js to to t h i s gtiootlon*• • • • Jrs I &m.n 1 dldn*t - tnli lsn*t - I vant O1Conner I . . • noh 1 if 1 • tloa - >nnor Yes . - uow rbout a l l the others. ur to 9 but 3 If you vuit tho answer to .uestion, If i t do thia ^e ou^ht to ao i t iXX« 3*Connor 1 That*a *my I rented you to kaom that thert »er others. . , l«£ri .1: Dan? I t MOpa to me this prohibition here agaiaat issuing regulation! in conflict, aa fa* ai the Treasury i s concerned should vork both *ejrs« Ko MM • ! • • should Issue reguXetloM In conflict with tuose of tht Tref.sury. I t is <-s strong one wey J;S i t is the other. | ;i* ... Jr: {Xott Bell: <.; you No, I t h i n k t h a t ' s a very good p o i n t , Lxce;)t you f r e eskirxg :'oi* : .*:v . in broad r e g u l a t o r y loXXf there thOttXd b^; eoordlHAtlOH« LIi so ffer tfi I snow, vre d o n ' t hpve S»V«Jri a* r t o . . . . « RO| I tiiink he*s rlgbtj thftt both the Ft .'ve .: th« Federal Deposit XasurftfiO6 t u n ' t istui regul H. re in co^:lic^ with feht SoaotroXlOf•• office Th»t l i i good j o i n t . fho rofuXatloni D Lssue irt tooelflo* c- , you tr« f#ttlii| to acre Is gottlai »w*y fro« ipoolflo regulatory ponver:; into the f.U . ' t It :es goaori i . How, I would s t y that i f we ^ e r e ttfclagj or thi fodorai i^e;>asit Xnsurftao^ Corporal ^r aagr other : goiioy vtrf saldngj for ral powori with r e f e r e n c e t o Ltauing r«gulatlonS| thtn I t ahould rlno htTQ that tpoolflQ ' . e . I Don't object to harlaf that Lai • no*, evc-n necessity for i t . QO r#< i -i, the on\y right |ulatlon we baYO« i i i tM right of rogjolatlon viiori It 1 ly ipoeifltd in tho laif* rhat ( a tht regulation that ¥ | you. h£vo too. Xhat*j right* Crowley: !•«« I Htve no objection in thi terXd that - certainly vrculun't hftVa any r i g h t to issu« & regulation tfcut vould c o n f l i c t with aOBathll that you ^o.,I*' hi:ve already insueu r. 'Ions on. But *a ought to try to be unii'ora; t'iu t f s nay point, , ". Jr: ,•Connor: f I sr> at this pOlat - I should ,.;.ve Bald t thing a t f i r s t , and that l l - aial I eta i n t e r r u p t for- MM aiottti - MM) that ! • t h i s : I thin* when , t through with tbii thet #e »*ftt t:3 decide JO vi Vftftt ^ny b;nkin ->n tills ye;:r, , t ; u t - that* I think - j 1 just Mint to t h r t wholes q u c s t l O Q b e i ' c r t ; ? e l e : v t , I think that is vtvy Important« Dtatf I think that la tary important. E«M«Jri to say that at the beginning, but I dldn*t. But I aant to aay no* that I donft - I'd like to reserve the right #heo i gat through thla aorning to ruise that point* at any banklna is- Uticm? -, with all tha lntarruptlo&gf will yoaj plaaa< <o on? Jone3: That*a very partlnant. that f a verf partiaaat• l.M.Jri I want to hava tha right to ralaa that quaatlon at tha conclusion of thla aaating« O'Conaori no*, tha only othar oaaj r. , that la tha baakli >da - ©r is tnc-f building i loen code. Ke*> the Governor baa « i.- . got sorae other hccles: €3tions« Wall, ju3t one. and lha Othar« thara la thia re^ul^tory aatta? io nee a oi tr/.ij, there baoiuaa I think »ur fallowa aanget t vlth reference- to Provision Ihree, DiTldanda on Goaaoai Stock. -u3*Connori Boel«tl Zhat'l rijtiier tao&nioal* I t tf^1 ;Ti to I question OJf definition of surr • ind un.;ivirU -. v ii,s. Tiiere la alao tha ^Uftatloa of Ui» debt &tflnitl< . ptCoanon KoWj oi pourse, -c ; re interested In i t , ; « I say, because these bank! ara a l l Baobars and m f% a j o i n t - art use* your axaainatloiu Mad vt hsve I rei-- tionship In ooimtotloB vita i t . And I vouXd tttf* In oor?neetion irlta liiree, then O'Connori i:iree, y e s . • Lividenas and Coawon "tock, th: I ••.. ai^ht get f together and sec iree on MSi iOdlflea* tion there.i :Hy t b l a | va Rad - thi t >ry MM « s tnv aaly >IM tnat •. anjr atr i otlona t o . On the other oa« M u^ve au| {astions tii talnlc ara d ;rmor; So-, lr« $+mr*t*tyt MI th«-; dividends, Uiara is t . omy ; oint taat ..;.;/ of I' tew i s raid i boat, and i t consents a fr««t Bwny of the National Baak9« The stftut^ i ; r o v i .a •- t h a t t h e K a t l o n a l Bftnki » a ; i /lire a a«tl-»ftnnual iivldai . . , gr«at MUD; of ta« banka iatlom del - 2'u-ve been d#oXarlnf -.ufirter -..y diTloda« f Frankly, va aan9t aaa an/ raaaon . - bank auoul,ln t uecifre i dlvldoad /'h^r^ver tlM) v#£;nt t o el? re i t . But tney fcop f r l t l n i ua id -"t san't , ''Oo antid aod laolara it,'- baoauaa ov tha - •. No*-, I ru^ve l e t t e r s .in th#r< froa a opupXa of Rational Banka PSKIH^ sa ifhat i s lolng to en. . e l i , I c t n f t ^^y, nGo ah«ad ^nd daolari ta#a t ^tien the lew aajra tb#]f nay . e c i a r e t :em sessi-i-nnuslly« Now, taftt la tha only one point y offloa i.1.-; concerned about* Jones: That*a been - how Ian;;: did you t e l l nf Ihmt'a been in vogue? 0 f Connorj About f i f t y y e e r s . Jonest /bout f i f t y years. Vov9 tr^y've b^Ml dolttl i t . . . - IS •J1 C o n n o r i Joaei: ..>f Connor; i i f b e e , u ^ e t•-:•...• : r^ fr 1 But suiriy berjes declare ,u&rtcrly dividends, and naay - p a . uiity In • faelfj a called :.:y J tter.tlon to thft. l« . . ; the* in I bor for the thole year* re the ^orst trtnagressor I (eot. Tne point tve've |et ai s noihia. to &0 **ith th«t« Jones: everybody ftlM la tarough, I ' v e got one suggestion tad thfct'a fill And thfct ! s the point you r t l l l i that the President baa aoaM vt-ry k laportant Leglaiatlofi that he vants to ouf I think that1 tae b&nktng h tion ought to « • i t unti i thai 3 fInlaha4• You naaja i: i t i s Introduced? Jones: V^e, before i t i s introducoa. I thi&fe »• ought to worK togathar in tiu .--ti^e, |«t as • . raa amt# i f vie o«iij 09 thaaa thiaga* .. . Vallf Bay I aaf right along th»t line what M d i d . After a l1l thora *aa thia aaorgonoy LoglaXatlott« I think i t 3 tha first time, ceru-.lnJ.y since I've been in faahingt n, tac three a^enci^ en the till t ; Lor i n o o a p l a t c ?:cc-'ra» 1 11 w a l l t h e i/enocr^;tic ie^ders. Conference Leat > boora« >*e got »Terythlng vhloh ve were entitled to aaA Loft thoi .i n l l i ->n their faoo« Jones; Xes« everybody hap9y« .... UJn , i t wts unique in ear experlonoo« i t ' 3 nevot •..?: jened, I ae&n, before tnat vo t e n ible to rO up t he r e , the thr b i, ;eu 0 i e 3 . Lcclea: Two houra getting B ant-niaoua i tan fc • • • • « iot I H.ii« J r : we wi-.ik^d off and l e f t a oeftplete good taoto i n n their souths - f' ; IXt at Leaat here 1 a tnrec :ies fc.net i t ' s iiaeatlonftble another the President v i l l have to - 16 l i f t his l i t t l e finger, ivhethcr t h e y 1 ! ! M i l ybouy i t the -Vhite Bouti to bothor« low, I think that bofora *e vent the Proaldant loo OSftOtly fllMlt ^e ffOTO going up for I ad i t had his i .royal. , I think before *e do t h i s thing M ought to .~f in cjoiplete agra f o n t If p o s s i b l e , thff) f submit I boiled-down aieaor&ndum to him - i yb< i e l l see us - ~ nd c;cybt say, "Naa, Mr. President, t h l l i s •feat *efvft t greec on. Here1*1 that vg MB ( t ftg i ?L I s s u e s , see? Jones: not do th*t f Henry, until . klagg - not th BJ tningt| but th#g< o I .•••• , I want to be iV-ir to t:.• son* I thll looa i N an agroi t, than I'd ivibnlt i t to him. Shoo tfc*i u$ to hta to §ay« I nooji I don't want to siy - uoin?: Crowlay fai an fcxt.£5ple, because he wasn't in on t h i s - l e t s ti 1 thtt . ay noodi soaathing* I noon I think i t a ilp to the President to . . e c i i e . "Hov;, ;r ' ' e y . you rait until aftar tha f i r s t of Pobruary until wo got thOM other thing:: and then w e ' l l got to t h a t . 1 Or he aay 3&y9 ."No, go ahoad« I t ' s t i l right* I n i r o duoo your b i l l . * Jonest V o l l | I undorstond at our l o s t nootlng that everybody KS that wo couici get along vlthout l a g l a l a t l o n j but loao ima doilrablo* That*! ay point* If tho»«»« H.lUJr: Lli I know vhat you've got In your Bind* and fro* ny own trooiury i n t e r e s t I•a rothor wait. But I &m ohainuua oi1 i nooning i i tuoh I gho«ld b< ar« t l a l and I simply gav that i f <ve oon at-rce m tin t rant| than I think we should Lot tho Prooldont soy, nBoyv>, I'd l i k e you to <:it, n or "Go ahoad*w Jones; So n u t say, y^s; t h a t 1 ! a l l * e ara rot: 11 f for ing except thai I d'jn't fool thatj as on inportlal ohair ; i f og come to ro4 • ?it • 04 t o o n i 90«i to &n agroa ont f I ihould submit i t to HM Proaidost. That's I'm tttpposod to do* I think tru.t.'s entirely right* I r I tta roa thii standpolnti the t that is primarily interested in aad that be thinks ere Important should be sell tlong. B«V«Jri . i Secretary or ths Treasury* I agree »ith yoiij but ohaliraaa as soon as we've eoae to *m I .r tI fool I've got to give it to bia aad Let airs Uecide» JonesI fellj I bave agreed to I at right along* Llj i s n ' t the f i r s t thing. lr« Secretary, that lot to agree on - enc that in vhat - sir, O'Connor has his Legislation and garrinev has bis - ei to whether to sre going to hove any Leglalatloa at < i l , or not* whether ±z is important that •?& have i t , How then, if i t is important that a have i t , then Crowleyi those bills thit hive b^en analyzed ?or both those organisations * and here *e sot l f edertl Deposit in the third tosltloh* right in tat- center* m9m9 if Federal Reserve L | (log to ask Tor things that are ling to strengthen l t Lonj an the Coetj troller is | to sk ror oortain things that are . to i trongthen bis poiiltioa .vith referenoe to Federal >elt - booauae M =. SL in thli ositloai under I ve ore acting under aow, the FederaL Reserve i the Cosiptroller adailt banks to their sy3t-;rii i ad so atioally insure thaaj but all ire do Is ^:o arovad nrltn & paok :>n our bi ok and y out the Lose) , if ve -r-.re all going to bo content to s i t bore aad i aa perfectly ellllng, Lf tl »l toohnical logislajtioa that does not la any »my affoot Federal Deposit Insurance - I aa perfectly willing to go along* But th| t %% bore Ln our zinc; dof* Lnitely affoots Federal Deposit Ineuranoe sad e j us t ct. nf t s i t be ilk • ad. • • •. 0 f Connor: Crowieyi ... l.Jr: a ge Tnis fihareholdorai1 Ageatj on 5. ififili yc>u ..iscuss iru-.t while I Leave y »u : r (Becretary LOOVOS room) I don'tfcSJOVstoat you've got, Mr. Caulvmrn* 10 you asve to hrve your .Legislation? - 18 , m ' t Ju:>t n:-vc to hftYl i u , but lt« U u t t h l i f i r s t onfc i s very aeefttsar; and •ir;biei - S«p*r*tlon oJf ftffic< tri ] tettrva . t: • i&t th< •< Z u Irate on . rary baala* but t t a j - i. tl Lei of .3: • •.-• si it» tutor/ i It C f revisions. . . t, thi \ t. I I .: Viet t o ao^e - ju^ ; . I| Long •t f ': j La prk« i r « l o u n , ^,..> i s . • • - w e ' e Llkt - ;ve f ve J . . us • about .:; v i , tfcc :•'..'t tftk« th« • - . , buoftuii >ry ri-.^utre^ent of t »nt| t#s v pal o m e r s Liice 1 . •••• tii: .. ' . . . Jon . •< :y-1 hi p i • . • . • ii in. lo? U * ' • .•:. • ,.- Chftlrttniuiltiip - I icy I s p it« Jonos: ^hci. la • p s " >fe . • .: I •' ilij aeli Janes: It's coll< it,r: I . i Lghtj v - - .- :ii - ; . . . . / . In ten h 1$ but L ' Li .. not J g « n t . It is Q ] »ric< :•.,*. ..? :. i t ' s LB | : b l i i Ltt objection to th*t« 04 m ' t isisti a b rid - 19 I t .i ana t o r Q L it i t . Jon- | ;les: - iXn o r 9 that If tie : • . ' i i c? that < taor '. •, bott • kit until t . aoratar> bi:cic. I think Hr. Crow leys : ,on 50 t h . . J 5. ;re if use r in therftj ? . u '- tj. ve ..: " rior to January in Jones: • , I . l?st ; c -oe to put thf t one . Loultj ,• Lth hii tlon f I i ' , 1.93A; I »»an »« rt not intarest^ thet. •hil • •-; aitioc i li&uti (to Bell)? Jc) toloai Did you raad 1 I f ffl s o r r y t o l a y I .: >naori ' ve iaothar '^-<.;. 3'Connor: Dpfcu f Ll ; Ja ta« jentleaanj oao I see ,. >u (Ball i n I Jon L i or . g i s l a t i o n i Jafty? ilanft. £,eoLasi Cro 11 i •i : i r 3 I»»». i Q r eduo Crowley: roquil .-: for thosa in c Iccles: toy branch I mostly. : Lta l .cingj That 1 ! la a loo a back. l« f ra goi ,ttt thv .. t* tt :-e »f th Btatei Ore Eoolai : Ltioa l i t o tfcia Sti t« banks..•« tio» you you? t . ? : - brisf th* Sta1 to tot - 20 ] I ;in| Una. iowt 1 . , the- *orla, ..• , I .. ( . ,3r; rttmtf . 't | t t . . a.' to g«1 i t . - Got Croi .•) : ..;. J'Connors - i fcn .. • b€ . toi ver, . : . ' • _ I Lrttj bcoftui , I'll • : • • for tnt Dlstrlotj of th« other tgencios. I - it I reo Ho ;, " .- .. 1 .Jr: at* Sooneri . t )n .. 'Connor1 • : . ..f s UM l#l •, i . t f s O'Connori tt ne. .m pegt 4« .n ay l i s t . 71 t u t „ :>LI QOI1 | it D .' . I just vant :• that • 1 PI . ...'•» rmy to , MUM rov; i ' >| ihor : -:..- . ; Lily . a . ; I i l l t o pat tte . irti nL. : out ol i ! « •• bi cr ttM JonesJ Jutty, ..:? «,..}.i. •-'.•: Just i . t •- • r >f btti -.-Her. e Cor, .. ..... I •- - • X'a coal&j t o . I put : ..ere. But t . § 7 on g i 4. Go | i. j . , f # ft T«r; ; iltui tioa I uwttt't oonc tr; . '. . HPJ . LI rriti . ;!• .ions; i n the District* . . .-. rldta th»t the Cospi .i\ tht . Lat riot »n - M I M UM t r ^ d i t unl i *•« i Ln« n i i* •<] Mi rre up i - i l l i o n dolXeri or kor*f offiot Cf;n; " -l five lolltrti n . thi only thlD| I tost • .i : ; e d I t t o b< >;.,-. •xaal .4 or tfrkfe i t >way« But «ve h; ve no fun h#ri sad I * • u#in| I • ^u.i Bank*1 funds I thing I :••. sure tfafct we should uo. Butffhate. ;. i s thoro* ., Cartor - loniitfnr Qi^s^ i In : . Litriet, or r«r M LI C- l i e d , c #ItU ut •u t h i i i ' - y 11?*' . tae unions* . of sxtiaiiuition." •Ho«f#1 l i s t e n to .. t ;?o i - , . ooh »r too :ic -•• I , ' - - 1 1 , w;io i . , :'.. ! ot i s to bi •f id Uw cost , "I don t I to . •,» i^efl tn ... * t#i that onojt. • . . L#V«Jri O'Connori Jonoi: •' •- .or: .. tas D i s t r i c t ? Y*a, sir« •. ~.~ i s Uxst? ^11| i t 1 ^ ,uitt | .em. '• s1 tout Ill I ion't too ^ but I i ? ii .? . . . % 'v c got t o . >n: o r : .' ,Jra r&xitti I. I O'Cotu - • : Lli . • Jr: Ill It's . . j%%9* »rgaalftfttlo&« &«li, t,'\ . supervlsi ... I t 1 • in F*ra Uphtuai rttln r la it. • t*3 r i g h t • Kccles: I i ...: .... It : i . ' :• is in oharf . :: ; i. T i.a? .. .: • r#ot«d to .o i t . ., I vouidn^t ., ol' tl • . .. oholc« tbout I t . No* If Lth I t . I'a J Tnnni O'Connors ->t ! s thtt« .. , ; . , •: | that l ' - IN lnt«p«»tid la toying I* iuf iuft the hsmnuaent aa til LTJ r 111! , tilt I itly «t It »t t o tin li ,. . . »r»». • , . | ... . Jr: •. f i .. . Jr: 1 . umori 1 Jin . ;.. tlu t M .. Lt« \ v i . ti Aa a i - 23 - lsn*1 •J1 Connor: ' ' .... it 9 a rlfht« . t? f Lfht, tt t t«] - r e - i t ' s b a i n maori ' 'lght, B»tf*Jri Go I v o u l d n ' t O'Connor: Wo B. r.Jn 4 II right. f 0 Connort Jjj - .;;. • u .-. oi tbi . 3^y..«. an*t lay that la - ! 3 nr - i f I can t Th< bui Lo< > bllXa f nd Credit Unions .• . *. . O'Connor: *t f i right. two t. )*Conaori Eoolaai * . •• • tf>- rights Th^t'c; >nXjr t otoar • iai - ii" that 9 a a l l i . » i->- pi * • , . •-. - . .: m ir« that I ' l l lo« x think that 9 ! Mr* than f: i r , Eccles) Koalaai / enerous? I t lan 9 t • .uestion of being fanaroua* kuitf EoeXaai .t it. MI arc . if the ^Ith tne.-s, a« I talnk tiiat f a O'Connor: u faal t hi I t i s n ' t .• question of balssg generous. : : . >J !• . th«n - - »t y o u ' v e ;-(«t t o ( o r ., ! ; • l 0 i l e u ! »••« .11 in . I.Jn s t i l l ©•< Crowl«jra 1 ? I • for I •• I f OfC ' •• - r*« ; Surej bo CrchrXtgri thr-1..... t f i not ixgrthlnc th, I -t t o . ^i^ r i L i •: > t h j a | t i n t Gro^iey: .*s right, . • I •.... that*i rightj t*»11 go nlon .. . rrlatr« •- f o ^ - " nt«d tt. • /Irs: i • • •« I Dg) Jones* ! ,M,Jn I t . u. look B • 11. I il i.i thii\] ' Uphfm: Cro f . It. i a«) . I tolen 1 for y •.:, '• •;= I n e r . . t f s -Li rip-ht. that ron f t be ttu f i r s t time. 's I t i l l I LXl Jones: Tne iver&ge fallow. I ^u t e l l r»io th py, you think ha i s List i to y.->u., but ha la VJ Ltlni to get V. . . i. 21 n t e l l . .Jrj Kaelaai r, th >W Loor i s jroura* Thla Rwabar One uere - Baparatlon o r o f f i o t a a Ciu i r . . t4< i a « r v « 4gwit - tliat i s very r7« i n : t - ra kiavt put n i l t h t • i Lnita*«.« Lcven*t ,. .Jr: dphami tftt« n Lt r^TlM r#Tisloii| s o . . . . . .. adua for US| b n X uon't yout »opl#a a»f th< ^e ii^ven f t drafttd tha Leglalation. • • hava Just t it is. I in thla la tht I ai I nmf : : one. The Board*a Jones: I ' ovtr ihla otloo to thla f ^n t c o n f l i c t wli -:., Lt la thara toamthlng that >«j i t ? is...* Jon-. : i t It i s . . . 'r: ) . _.• irau; ; • Governor, lazy chAQgad th Q sat-up Last v e ; r , l l d n ' t eoaiplata 'ho j o b , . or thin this is just ont: thing that •• • out. .eli, ' cclesi We ru.venH got * Or.crirraan In s e v o n i Jones: •Its: eli, . f Bel : ., . • i f fo i e s , but i Q p a r t - t .... , . , • ^.ft faat a paid Ch tfh« M plaoaa« c >ul • be the /.t' t. 'Ac*ve - 2b - .ting to - we' i t them so en honorary b r s i s , •inuti *t l^ paid Chalraen...* How, ^..ee, t . -c.w - trie P r e s i d e n t n o * Ln I I the Chief Lxecutivtz Officer these }oYernors d Chief Executive .)?': leer, and -e :ic ve transfer I - functions s>f the Shalraan's office to txic banks| so ai to get twsy froa the cleavage - t e r r i b l e cleavage - Chairmen here End had t constant cleavi Governors here > • ' , Jones i I don't see iity objection to thi t If , have banking legislation. * vt goi Crowley: •11, I think this, Jesse, that that i s n ' t aigrthiag particularly| but you*ve got to go on down through re, because this won't in i t s e l f cause \ row. i row will j et aown the l i s t . to Nusber Seven is Dividends of Federal Reserve Banks* Now, as i t i s today| the Beard has nothing to say about dividends. These various Federal Reserve -:s declar LvJ i ' it -ent cumul t i v e f Taey v I ft | lat s i x . 6osi< el thea individually haven't :ixae i t . How. if one ji-.ys i t end the f t, it raises he.ll. t we want to propose i s thr t i t be I four cent euaulj tiva, , . o • i .- iven thi a • Lthrefei to th ier two, so that If the; It an they should Lt, O . K . , . 11 Lei i t you've got 1fixed four percent ox t u t six percent* Cr;> >uld that be controversial particularly! Lccles: fell* i t touXd be roTerslal as far aa the mtmber are oonc .. The aesti >ulc ant s i x percent • ory. RoWj . at to . is put i t :•!: f. flat four percei 1 tls f . ,:, then th< Board .us the discretionary , to whether or- not the other two 1 I • i . . Ih t • as 1 little bit of lee : . , so if J -. tiaes as far ?s incoaa Ii iarned Jones: re seas to e oio objection a: ve bankin Li Lslation. to that one if j - 27 - ... ..Jr: .1 is LoeUrs the thinj that things that n Jones: f ... . Jr: 11? Jor.es: lae . I i'irst I i the separation? There's two • n to 4 i he's got to n t v e . I Wi I ..• fir BO« one. H . . O xT«. « Reelesi .. ;.jr: si i| 8u I iuj i I 't ;el It* Eou'XX function Just hatvii . i ..on thi l « i t twenty I iouldn f t - if you don't Blind ay ftayini so, I wouldn't put that in rmustl1f li tion. BooXasi f a l l , vhg - feMit o b j a o t i o n c : a l . v .it-r- fco ft f o r LegiaXation t h i s yaar? Wauit raason do ^e to expect i t will ba taaiar naxt ye- r to Jo i t ? Crowlay l a l l , Xarriaarj isn't this thi havt a i l ;ot to i"i,ce ^n lag i s la tion avantuallyi That tha . -. t or 193. Ln« Act of X935 did v cartl In t . . you'v Gov< rr_. ttion -;o:.iin. : ion , 3ii undoubtadly » i l l •ooner or Xatar affaot ti nkiiu . - :•-, i f we were going to s i t . . . to vouXd Xike to s e e , Baft 11 -.ore efficient .or tha operation of thi bank 'vision i • i nkf c . i lot of thin d Lovo to ucvt, i^o if t h e r e ' s somethic t you na#d partioularly to BMat youc amapgancyj why don't you tskt that I • i t slone until we a l i dat< mat this ahoXa Gov?" tion aaounti to? It loasn r t -n,;. as far tin cerneo. I can t e l l you I \t now. . .Jr: «• I ' l l answar .our ..ue^tion, thy i s n ' t t h i s year *;:; goo, f-a next yos.z*? I tnink this year is ai good ^s - 21 r , b u t I ti [ I, >n*t I . od - . t i t . ; t I 1 181 .• t to ;••... if at i n th i m for f • • c*y n t i 1 '. . it| thi . • - • . ' . . • duei . LJMS oi •aj not r e e l ! • iii • • i ifcIon ai Lataraat ...... , waf1 ... . • sk ntro- rhloh . . i It ion. ..•:*!..;/; rjun i ai vo&*t . i to fuzk l i t litre. And I think until thi Praaidant * l l i ! • • UJ or dlraat us • thins thoroughly % >1% fooliu sk for the oiniaum. ^i.i-.t's -. - a n d th - jrt&r or D«xt ye/ r or th« thii r, x ..;.; n • and I thi oe * s o 3 • . ;i _ ... •. "et f ' ling. . .-;: ''. »u t h i n k • • • . . . \ ! IT • , . '-' . got t ta i f / o u f v « g o t .... it ions .*it , , . t o njive Miy t t a l l i D oan • In* th 1 '. . " Loa to thi . 0 . tOt b( »•• .rover. 1 1 . . . . M ,1 ay introduce, tonM rar bat i t on thi HiX- - at o b j . i i t . But ao tha L e g i s l a t i o n that ' laa - that I 10 o b j e c t i o n to It mty . bai ion - that i t l a - i t would ba of i -.iiri Jpoint. I f •« i . . Loa ao| • \ thi t typa o;' . . ,. Lon« w i t h you not havt )*Co ton iloai 11 no«| I wouia . -.. ... t all« U rrinarj l e t r to aa- ,ere i t '' i« t'f • >t to I: . oattar .. 'I . Lutoly nonoi . or oint« it ; c thing in. ."- • •;.-, .• . Ln t o hart to jr thing Liko t h a t , but x I a bo go oo . „ . • : , . -.- • LI t h a t Jafty Cr#dlt Onion and t h a t i n ' t bi .-iovb, buildii Liv. . JO »r 40 yoara of t h < t . Lthout nay - th* throt :. lion. -U, Cro«l«y t t i e r e f s nc tlon uni .ere in , • . r. y o u ' l l b t Lr: a g"^-;i i t a l toughar j t if some or thosa boys up thcri §'<HM of the t thi t thty f T« got i n Kind and paaa i t . ;&• Mr. 1 , • / legislation t i l l not -o before tlM llttoa. It ore the D i s t r i c t ..••: . *OQ l a s t ye? r I .ouse - tla . • . - . ' . >o b; the i i s t r l o t ^niM , it's n Uphasi Li I tlon« i a t ' s y^ur Crodlt Onion Jones: D*Connor« banking *. 'cro »nt thing - » • • ? • i n 1 l o l l 1 they Ar">r.!t; 1 O'Connor: ia tta ol lot :".. Loan th , e ! l l *;o alo »ut going into : i , f PI B- . ...;ot on t h i a thing* t . »M«Jn • • Ii ; Lrf i t 1 - The t 1 • . ioanl . i s t r i e t nattor« . '.Jr: sacu.. building an I r • light :;r: Itj 1 think he ! : • i e Banking. ig. .'Connor: ft« .Jrx . . • • i • 9tuall]T - thi .tee on tne . i a t r l o t in v^e ftouti paa*#d thi it union. that : . i t sUapler• Do we iant to ^% . ropose any Logialatloi .. oforo Banking ai roi cry? - 30 tor tht ti Jo:.'. : I M a n Tor 6 0 . , ; y s . s: l#llj t h f t t ' i i Li r l f b t * : *: . .or: 11 f{ | - t- L . " . , . . . Eoole s: That s^- ist let ft I f ^ 1 : s<.y n o , . )t •.) for 60 . . . . . t€ .. ' «• . • .. . t o f Mi r e n . p _ . I ^r:c: • i »X*Jn . ' s jus t sui . j :., thou . • • ie . ) up before It irict itee, iae of tii? t . . . . . defer iCti< Q« .. .Jr; »•«•«• d Otloa • _>f ox' us Ihlnka for i UM.Jri Bcol«t1 . I.Jr: Jonts: .:,.•••• Bgri 11, t i u t f 3 d o . .ara - tfef i3u Mjr l i r s t i mi you sI §u§f#9t %h« tontta of Hare . time. first. ;.tn, •. i •. » t t h - 31 B.M.Jri . . t»s laki it the first* Jones: All right, I'll do that witn you like I agree wi. .ay rift - VI MdCl it unanlaomj I I rO0 with a Lcciess lo'TO got certain Legislation I t I!ci hate to ugh this session vlthout, MIC! I'm *lllln| to it o) day I for it. -. ., iar wai to postpone it for thll seaiiOB? ;;: nd you s 8 id.... •, I vimnt it; 00j iir. , '.Jr: You M to "ive i t up for this fftSSion. , I V»8n't« Jones; [»Jn I expected that bo*d Met - t UP! asd forget it entirely. j I'll I acticfcl, Ali thf Boar staff i ?« - ther«fi certain 01 thli li 1 i tion rttty strong for. It's swell to b< to have I Bor ad c: staff. To hi , that's right* £aJca - horo'i one for Lnstai tae establishment of discount ratta« Trie daan lew /s »ivery L( . . These RtterYt baokf - . n,: i last i positioa here of saXXi] toial Boi • every 14 ci£;ys^ instead of regular . i t • vookly acy. • vtr; Li - once lt*i M orjjny, next tla« it's xuosday - it aakoi it Lnoonvonlonx and thoy all ivick. loll now, c tre subject to call, at Mr, Jones' suggestion, the first of Kareh* Subject to oall«