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August 19, 1956.

Honorable M. S. Eccles,
Ogden, Utah.
Dear Governor:
I handed those two memoranda to Steve Early,
the one on your preference for the more, factual speech
and the other on the letter with reference to DuBois and
the independent bankers. I also gave Steve the suggested
insert for the speech. He is transmitting all three matters to the President.
I also reminded him of the Talley matter and
he said he would mention it to the President if necessary,
which he doubts.
I also told him that you were not planning to
go to the A.B.A. Convention and he at once asked me to tell
you that while in Houston, the President had discussed the
Adams matter with Law, a former A.B.A. president, and said
that he thought Law ought to answer Adams in the convention
on behalf of the Administration. Steve thought it would be
very helpful if you could "stick a pin in Law" in some way
by reminding him of this and letting him know that you are
aware of the President's conversation with him. Steve also
thought it would be helpful if you could get Giannini to back
up Law and to talk with him about this. I said that I felt
it would be best if the President personally would telephone
to Giannini and Steve said that he would make that suggestion
directly, but that in the meantime it would be all to the
good if you could find some way of communicating with both
of them in this connection.
I, of course, am very dubious about the propriety of your getting involved in any way and anything you
did would have to be decidedly on the side. However, I am
passing this along to you because Steve asked me to, for
whatever you think is appropriate.

Honorable M. S. Eccles - (2)
He does not yet know when the President plans to
speak on spending, but feels generally that it would be
preferable if the opposition spoke first on this subject,
I agree with that. At the same time I told Steve that I
thought this material, or rather the arguments, should be
worked up so that they can be quickly disseminated, particularly in the farm regions, and he agreed with that. He
agrees with your judgment about the material which the President should use and he remarked that this is the best ammunition they have,
I also took occasion to tell him on my own
initiative that you had been more upset than I had ever seen
you over the position that you had been put in as a result of
E.G.'s activities. Steve remarked that any idea that you were
playing both sides of the political street was too absurd to
be given serious consideration. Hov/ever, I was glad to let
him know on my own how you felt about it.
He is going to stay here to hold down the lid because so much business routes through Washington and unless
the President or one of his secretaries is here, people on
the outside seem to think that they are adrift.


August 18, 19S6.

When Mr. Eccles talked recently with the President
at Hyde Park, he left with the President two suggested copies
of Material for a speech on the budget and the public debt.
In & telephone conversation with se this morning,
Mr* Secies asked me to tell you that be has since tested out
this material la conversation with two of his aost intimate
friends who are prominent In banking and business in the
west—sen who are Republicans by tradition, but sore or less
independent. However, they are disturbed by the debt and
taxation outlook* Both were most favorably impressed by the
arguments contained In the suggested draft which deals more
factually and dispassionately with the situation* the other
draft, which is of H blood and thunder type, see*3 to Mr,
Eccles to be undesirable and he hopes that you will get the
President to discard it*
Mr* Eccles makes the point that this speech
should not attempt to reach the mass of average men and
women who, for the most part, are with the Administration
anyway, but should be addressed to that large group of business sen and bankers who are more or less independent, who
are genuinely worried and to whom #> factual, dispassionate
recital of the facts will be far more appealing than a political attack* Mr* Eccles, accordingly, asked me to tell you
that in his Judgment the President should use the material
which X have indicated and discard the other draft* I under-*
stand you have copies of both*



21b nation can impoverish itself by borrowing
from itseli, paying interest to itself and, finally,
paying off a debt to itself. The government has done
its financing, not by greenbacks, or fiat money, not
by resort to the printing presses, but by the orthodox
methods of issuing bonds* Thus it is peying interest
to those citizens who are fortunate enough to be able
to bay those bonds, and it ie paying interest to the
banks, insurance companies &no the other institutional
investors who have purchased thsse bonds* This, in
turn, has enabled these institutions to n&ke earnings,
to pay interest to the investors and savers whose money
is invested in them or with them* When the debt is
paid, it will not be paid to aliens; it will not go into
tola air, but the money will be paid to our own people*
to Individuals, to basks, insurance companies and the
other investors.