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Diary
Book 716

March 29-31, 1944

Book Page
Argentina
See Latin America
c

Canada

United States Dollar Balances
See also Book 710
Schedule covering agreed-upon program

a) Discussion by HMJr and White - 3/29/44

b) HMJr's letter to Navy

Crowley

c)

Reconstruction Finance Corp.

d)

e) Memorandum to FDR

f) Ilsley-HMJr correspondence
1) Copy sent to State Department
Correspondence

Mrs. Forbush's mail report - 3/31/44

716

89
77

97

101

103
106
108
113
330

Csechoslovakia
See War Refugee Board

-DDeferments, Military

Government Bond Dealers: Deferment discussed by HMJr.

Daniel W. Bell, and Charles S. Bell - 3/30/44

225

-E--

Elliott, Harriet
See Financing, Government: War Savings Bonds
(5th War Loan Drive)

-7Financing, Government
War Savings Bonds
See also Book 714
5th War Loan Drive

Conference: present: HMJr. Eccles, Sproul, Bell,
Haas, and Gamble - 3/29/44

a) Agenda for meeting

b) Recommendations by Executive Committee of
Open Market Committee

c) Hase list of issues charted
Timing discussed by BUT and Gamble - 3/30/44
BUr. Gamble. Bell. and
Haas - 3/30/44
a) June 12 choses

Elliett. Harriet and Gamble do not wish to
release for srip so England - 3/31/44

34
33

59
62

227

245

290.297

- , - (Continued)

Bank Page

Financing, Government (Continued)
War Savings Bonds (Continued)

5th War Loan Drive (Continued)
Conference of Treasury group - 3/31/44
a) "Basket" re-discussed

1) Securities to be offered

a) Press release on time and
offering

716

291

291.324
303

304.325

-G Government Bond Dealers

See Deferments, Military
Greece

See War Refugee Board

-IIndia
See War Refugee Board

Italy
Sale of assets in neutral countries (example: Lisbon
Legation's tea) - proceeds therefrom to be used only
with approval of Allied Control Commission: American

Legation, Lisbon-Algiers-British Ministry of

Economic Warfare-State-Treasury correspondence 3/29/44

156

-LLatin America

Argentina: Luncheon conference; present: HMJr, Wallace,
Luxford, and Jones (Marvin) - 3/29/44

65

a) General Perlinger's (Argentina's Minister of
Interior) attack on United States and
Ambassador Armour discussed

b) Proposed memorandum to FDR (not sent)

254

Lend-Lease

Weekly report - 3/29/44
U.S.S.R.: Report under First and Second Protocols and
eight months of Third - 3/29/44

156
168

United Kingdom: Federal Reserve Bank of New York

statement showing dollar disbursements, week ending
March 22. 1944 - 3/31/44

343

-0Odegard. Peter H.

Dr. Stanley King. Anherst College. thanked for

cooperation - releasing - 3/29/44

151

Book Page
Paul. Handolph 2.

Senator George's letter upon Paul's learning Treasury -

3/29/44
Portugal
See War Refugee Board
Post-War Planning

Currency Stabilisation: Conference: Hull asked to see
Harry White so that time may be set - 3/31/44

Procurement Division
Rockaway, New Jersey: Warehouse fire reported on by
Smith - 3/30/44

Public Debt. Bureau of (Chicago, Illinois)
Mrs. Doyle's report after visit - 3/29/44

716

152

309

237

154-A

R-

Revenue Revision

Simplification of Tax Program

See also Book 711
Reducing value of $500 dependent exemption by amount
of dependent's income: House Ways and Means
Committee meeting reported in Blough memorandum -

3/30/44
Rockaway, New Jersey

See Procurement Division

-SSaxon, James J.
See War Refugee Board

-T- Taxation
See Revenue Revision
Turkey

See War Refugee Board

- UU.S.S.R.
See Lend-Lease
United Kingdom
See Lend-Lease
War Refugee Board
.

-V-

Virgin Islands
See War Refugee Board

252,253

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March 29, 1944

9:05 s.m.

At the Secretary's request, Mr. Smith dictated the

following resume of the discussion with Mr. John Hancock

and Mr. Will Clayton to determine the disposition of the
Surplus Property Disposal facilities of the Procurement
Division.

Treasury officials present:
Mr. Gaston

Mr. Sullivan
Mr. Smith

Mr. O'ConnellMr. Lynch,
Mr. McConnell
Mrs. Klotz

The Secretary started off by saying that he had
given a great deal of thought to the question of property
disposal, and had come to the conclusion that, as Hancock
originally believed, it ought to be under one head and
all ought to be handled in one department. He said that
in view of George's bill being introduced on Thursday,
he thought this would be a good time to reconsider this
whole situation and make a change to correspond with

this bill if it is decided to make a change.

Hancock pointed out that he had held the view in
the beginning that everything should be under one head,
but had eventually changed his mind. He had looked
around Washington and tried to find which department
of Government would be best suited to handle this job.
He realized that it would be almost impossible to set
up an operation from scratch to handle so elaborate a
job as this is going to be. When the Secretary and
McConnell asked for the disposal job, Hancock said he
was very relieved, because he felt that the Treasury
had an organization already set up and with at least
some experience. He felt this experience would be valuable

in this job. He said he didn't know how effective an

organization Treasury Procurement was, or whether it

was up to doing the job as it stood, but at least they

had people and some experience that should be valuable

and certain properties in the way of warehouses, and so
forth, that could be used.

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Clayton agreed with Hancock, and pointed out that
his organization was simply a policy organization and

was not handling any property disposal as such. He
said there were five agencies involved in handling property disposal, and all of them were subject to his supervision. He said he didn't know which agency would take
Procurement, if Treasury decided to let it go.
Hancock then brought up the problems involved in

getting out of the Procurement job. He asked the
Secretary if he had made up his mind what he would say,
and reminded him that all the reasons he had heard this
morning added up to the fact that it was too big a job

and the Secretary didn't want to tackle it. He said

people would get the idea that it was a "hot potato," and
the Secretary was letting loose of it.
The Secretary pointed out that that was pretty much

the situation. He said the fact of the matter was that
he had fifty to sixty million bondholders, and for this

reason he didn't think the Treasury was the best organization in the Government to take the criticism that was
bound to come.

Hancock pointed out that the Angel Gabriel could

handle this job and would still be criticized. He said
there would be endless criticism, some of it just, but
twenty times as much of it unjust; but it would all
be criticism.
The Secretary then suggested to Hancock that if he
were to go back to Lehman Brothers and was about to float

a substantial issue, he would want to make sure that

the Lehman Brothers' name was clean and above scandals

and criticisms. He would want to make sure that Lehman
Brothers wasn't being discussed all over the country
for wasting money and being incompetent, and so forth.
Hancock said that made some sense.

The Secretary said that his mail, which was very
heavy, was very quick to react to anything that went
wrong with the Treasury. Any time the Treasury is accused
of wasting money or is accused of anything of that sort,

people are quick to write to him and to return their

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-3 bonds for redemption. He wondered, under these circum-

stances, if the Treasury could stand the criticism that

would come with Procurement.

Hancock then said that this particular criticism

made some sense, and he was considerably affected by it.

He said that if the Secretary were to go to the President

with this criticism, he would probably get so mewhere
with this idea. The President would listen, because he

felt it was an important reason for not handling

Procurement.

Hancock, replying to the Secretary's question as
to what he thought about this whole move, suggested that

it was out of his jurisdiction, that this was an

Executive Order and it was an Executive Order that had
nothing to do with him.

The Secretary, realizing that all the discussion

up to this point had revolved around moving the property
disposal project without the benefit of Procurement's
people or properties, suggested that the entire operation might be moved to some other department.
Clayton wanted to know what other department, and

the Secretary pointed out that Commerce might handle it;
to which Clayton had no reply, except to say that he

didn't know what the reaction of Commerce would be to

taking on this job.
Hancock said that Procurement was traditionally
the Treasury's, and for that reason he had given no

thought to the possibility of moving it. Hancock then
said that there would be no problem of getting takers
for the Procurement Division. He said there would be

half a dozen people who would reach for it, largely for
prestige reasons.

The Secretary pointed out that some people in the

room believed that he should not give it up for that

same reason. He asked again if there would be problems

in getting rid of it, and both Clayton and Hancock
assured him that if there weren't plenty of bidders,
it would be the first time that ever happened in Washington.

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The Secretary then asked about George's bill, and
asked whether or not this contemplated move would be

involved in any may in this bill or in the discussion
about it. He wanted to know whether or not the introduction
of this bill was forcing his hand one way or
another.

Hancock and Clayton agreed that this particular
bill would probably not bring up the question as to who

was handling what.

The Secretary then said, "Then we have plenty of

time. There is no need to decide this within the next

few days?" Hancock said there was no reason that he

could think of for deciding it in any given time. He

said that he didn't think Congress would get around to
doing anything very thorough for quite a while. He
said Congress was promising him a lot of speed, and at
the same time was taking a recess until April 12.
The Secretary then asked Hancock and Clayton to

keep the matter quiet and not discuss it with anybody
unless he called them. He asked Hancock if he had told
Baruch about it, and Hancock said he hadn't. He said he

saw no reason to, and under normal circumstances wouldn't.

The Secretary said he would think about it and

decide whether or not to carry the thing any further.

Hancock said that if anybody talked to Baruch, he wanted

to do it; he didn't want anybody else to talk to Baruch.

The Secretary said he would not talk to anybody,
and that nobody else would be notified unless Clayton
and Hancock were notified first.

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March 29, 1944

9:30 s.s.

DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY

Present: Mr. Gaston
Mr. Sullivan

Mr. Smith
Mr. O'Connell
Mr. Lynch
Mr. McConnell
Mrs. Klotz

H.M.JR: Does anybody have any ideas?

MR. GASTON : I think we are stuck with it.
MRS. KLOTZ: That is priceless!

H.M.JR: You are getting very "Will Rogers," Herbert.
MR. SULLIVAN: Anybody got any more ideas about how

anxious Hancock and Clayton are to take it away from us -

specifically you, Fred?
MR.
SMITH: I didn't have any idea.

MR. SULLIVAN: You told me Thursday Clayton and

Hancock are trying to get this away from us.

MR. SMITH: I did not. I said they would in time
if it went hay-wire.
MR. SULLIVAN: You told me how they were trying to

get it away from us.

MR. O'CONNELL: I thought at the first part of the
disc ssion that either intentionally or because they

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hadn't thought of it - they apparently hadn't thought
a transfer of this sort would involve a transfer of the
organization, and so forth, because they kept talking
about starting from scratch and building a new one.

H.MJR: Yes, well, I put it that way to them, be-

cause yesterday during the day you people convinced

me that I should keep Procurement, but just give them
the surplus.
MR. O'CONNELL: Yes, but I thought you were think-

ing in terms of the possibility of giving them surplus,
including the surplus organization, because it is

possible--

H.M.JR: I don't see how you could separate the two.
I mean, I don't know what is surplus organization and
what is Procurement organization.

MR. SULLIVAN: It is all one organization. You
can't separate the ordinary functions of Procurement and
the sale of any kind of surplus without requiring a

great duplication of personnel. It is all the same
administrative staff except for the specialists; it is
pretty much the same personnel all the way through.

MR. GASTON: Well, it seems quite apparent that if

there is to be a transfer, first their view is that

you have got to have the Procurement organization - if
there is to be a transfer, it has to be to some permanent
organization of Government. I suppose Commerce is the

only one. There you get into what Budget thinks.

MR. O'CONNELL: Federal Works Agency, as I under-

stand it, has been not only willing but anxious to take
over the Procurement Division for a long time. You
know we split the Procurement Division once before in
connection with the organization plan and the Public
Buildings part of Procurement went to the Federal Works
Agency.

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3I understood within the past fea months the Federal
Works Agency, which, of course, is not a busy organize-

tion these days, would be very happy to inherit all or

part of the Procurement Division.

MR. GASTON: That would be the other possibility.
MR. O'CONNELL: But I think Hancock was probably

thinking of them when he mentioned the fact there were
a number of agencies that would be happy to get it.

H.M.JR: I was surprised when he said, "Well, I

will have to tell Mr. Baruch."

Well, let's think it over somemore. At least I have
learned this much, that it doesn't have to be settled

between now and the time it goes on the Hill.

MR. SULLIVAN: Who is going on the Hill tomorrow?

MR. LYNCH: I think Hancock, himself, and representatives of six Procurement Agencies.

MR. SULLIVAN: I say, who is going up there for

Treasury tomorrow?

MR. LYNCH: I don't know. I wanted to bring it
up and get it settled today.
H.M.JR: Who would have gone up, normally?
MR. LYNCH: I think John and Bob would be the ones,
the same people who have been going over to Joint Contract Termination Board.

H.M.JR: Why not do whatever the normal thing is?

MR. LYNCH: I would think that would be the thing

to do.

H.M.JR: You are still Executive Secretary to this
group, aren't your

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Mr. MeCONNELL: I should think Tom and John.

Mil. LYNCH: Well, the three of us can arrange that.
MR. O*CONNELL: The problem is the whole problem

of contract termination; Bob and Tom and I were hoping
to get together with the people here to have a discussion
of views as to the bill, and at that time make an agreement as to who would go up. John and Tom, I should

think, or Bob also - any two of them.
MR. SULLIVAN: I think all three should go and Bob
and Tom should handle the contract termination part.
But then you come to the other point as to what we are
going to do in the sale of surplus consumer goods.
MR. GASTON: Does that come up?

MR. LYNCH: I don't think that will come up specifically, John, because this bill covers so much. The

points in controversy, where they haven't yet reached a

definite agreement as between the Committee and Hancock's

people with the agencies, do not involve property at all.

The one point about property, as far as Scott Russell's
position is concerned, is that he doesn't want to give too
much attention to property at this time because it involves so many controversial questions.

In other words, as he sees it, and as Senator George

sees it, the only hope of getting legislation through
quickly now is to avoid all controversial aspects about

property, which means not who handles property or what

the existing organization is, but what you are going to

do about plants, about the aluminum plants and the steel

plants and the pipelines, and the aircraft plants, and
things like that.
This bill doesn't deal with them specifically, and

what they are going to recommend, what 1 assume George

would say to the Senate is to say that this bill contains
no provision respecting such important matters as that,

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-5that they are appointing a head man to be in charge of
property disposal who is to come back in sixty days
or ninety days with his recommendations as to policy to
be enacted by Congress.

So the play is to avoid controversial questions as

to property.

MR. SULLIVAN: Well, then, the only testimony would
be on contract termination, which you and Bob would
handle.

MR. LYNCH: Yes, and six specific provisions of the

bill as to which there is a difference of opinion as
between Russell and the Procurement.

MR. SULLIVAN: All relating to contract termination.
MR. O'CONNELL: That is right.

MR. LYNCH: That is right. Such questions as what
to do about subcontractors who are affected by insolvency

of upper-tier contractors.
H.M.JR: Is it understood, then, for tomorrow?

MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, they are the ones who are going

to testify.

H.M.JR: Will you be present?
MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, I will be glad to come up if
I am out.

H.M.JR: Will you be up there, too, McConnell?
MR. McCONNELL: Yes, sir.

H.M.JR: They let Republicans go up there, you
know.

MR. McCONNELL: I am not sure of that.

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H.M.JK: Only before down.
in. O*CONNELL: The Republicans are safer up there

than anybody else.

H.M.JR: Sure, I think you had better have one

Republican up there, anyway.

MR. LYNCH: On that point, Mr. Secretary, I would
like to say now, because we are together here-H.M.JR: What about - Republicans? (Laughter)
MR. LYNCH: That the ones who have been following
such matters here, that we hope we can have a meeting
about two o'clock today and make definite arrangements
as to the hearing tomorrow.

H.M.JR: Well, I don't have to be there, do I?
MR. LYNCH: No.

H.M.JR: Is it agreeable that we let Lynch sort of
carry the ball to see that the right person is there?
Is that right?
MR. McCONNELL: That will be agreeable.

H.M.JR: Is that all right with you?
MR. SULLIVAN: Certainly.

H.M.JR: It is your (Lynch's) job to see that the

person gets his cue and is there on time. O.K.?
MR. LYNCH: Yes, sir.

H.M.JR: If they don't behave, let me know.

Anything else? All right.

11.
March 29. 1944
10:03 a.m.

HMOre

Hello.

Edward
Brown:

Hello.

HWJr:

Morgenthau speaking.

3:

Who?

HMJr:

Henry Morgenthau.

B:

Oh, how do you do, Mr. Morgenthau?

HMJr:

How are you?

B:

HMJr:

Very well, thank you.
Mr. Brown, I wonder if you could help me out.

I -- you know, they're throwing a lot of this
surplus war materials at us in Procurement.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And we need a very outstanding merchandising

man to head this thing up. You wouldn't know
of anybody that's willing and patriotic enough

to come down and take on this kind of a headache?

B:

I can't think of anybody off-hand. I don't suppose
there's any possibility of getting Frank Folsom

who was Chief Purchasing Agent of the Navy, who has

now gone -- quit only a month or so ago to go with
The Radio Corporation of America, but he was the
Chief Merchandising -- the Manager and Vice President
of the Montgomery Ward & Company.

HMJr:

I didn't get the name.

B:

Frank Folsom, F-o-1-s-o-m.

HMJr:

Yes. He's now...

B:

The War Production -- or with the predecessor of
the War Production Board, whatever they called it,
along with -- Knudsen was in charge of it and he

had charge of all the buying of soft goods.

HMJr:

Is he very able?

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I think he's a very able man.
HNJr:

He 1s?

B:

He served with great sacrifice down there. Then
he was Chief Purchasing Agent for the Navy....

HMJr:

Yeah.

....and in the Navy Department and he left six

B:

weeks or two months ago to become Sales Manager

and a Director and Vice President of The Radio
Corporation of America.

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

B:

Yeah.

He's a man who is known all over the country.
He's extremely able.

Is there anybody in the Marshall Field organization
who is outstanding?

Well, there's Houston McBain, the President -- he's
the only man who would possibly qualify and -- but
he's had no such -- he's general executive of the

company, but he's had no such experience in merchandising as Folsom has. I suppose General Wood would

be impossible politically.

HMJr:

Who?

B:

General Wood, Chairman of the Board of Sears &
Roebuck.

HMJr:

General Wood.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

No, you can have him.

B:

Well, he's very able....

HMJr:

I know.

B:

....as a merchandiser, however.

HMJr:

I know, but

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But I think he's impossible with his *America

HMJr:

First" and all the other
Yeah. Well, you feel the way I do about that.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

How do you spell this Folsom?

B:

Folsom, F-0-1-6-0-m.

HMJr:

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Oh, yes. This -- is this man you mentioned in
Marshall Field -- is he the fellow that reorganized
it?

B:

No.

HMJr:

The man who reorganized it died, didn't he?

B:

The reorganizer died and made a miserable mess of

HMJr:

oh.

B:

It developed after his death.

HMJr:

Oh.

B:

He's dead, a guy -- a fellow named McKinzie.

HMJr:

Yeah. And -- but no -- but the present president

B:

No, McBain, M-c-B-a-i-n.

HMJr:

Oh, yes.

B:

A Scotchman.

HMJr:

And is he very able?

B:

He's very able and quite young.

HMJr:

Quite young?

B:

I'd say about forty-one or forty-two.

HMJr:

Yeah.

it, too.

is McBride, you say?

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HMJr:

Would you be willing for me - on my behalf to
sort of sound him out? Whether he could get -uh -- even, well, any amount of time Just to
get us started?

B:

Yes, I'd be willing to. I haven't much hope that

HMJr:

I mean, are you -- does your bank do his business?

B:

he'd do it because -- but I'11 be glad to sound
him out and give you a ring, Mr. Secretary.

Yes, he's a director of our bank. I know him very
well, and Marshall Field does most of their business
here.

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

Well, he's forty-one?
Somewhere in his early forties, I should say.
Has he -- he hasn't been one of these fellows
that has come to Washington and gotten his fingers
burnt?

B:

No, he's never been in Washington. He's grown up

primarily with -- through the financial side of
Marshall Field and he ran their mills in South
Carolina.

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

Yeah.

And then he became Executive Vice President and
about a year ago, he became the President of
Marshall Field & Company.

Yeah. Well, sound him out and see whether he'd

be at all interested to come down and just talk
the thing over with me.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

See?

B:

HMJr:

Yeah. All right, I'll do that and I'11 call you -call your secretary sometime during the day if he's
in town. I think he is, but
Well, you call me. Call me on District 2-6-2-6.

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District
HMJr:

2-6-2-6.

3:

2-6-2-6.

HMJr:

You just call me and I'll be waiting for you.

3:

All right. Fine.

HMJr:

You can reverse the charges.

B:

No, don't worry about that.

HMJr:

All right.

B:

Thank you.

HMJr:

All right.

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Marsh 20. 1964
10:23

Mar

neighbor.

James

Forrestal:

How are you, Henry?

HMr

I'm all right. How are you?

F:

Fine.

HMJr:

Jim, did you know Folsom very well when he was with you?

F:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Ah -- how able is he?

F:

Oh, I think he's a good man. He's a -- he's a man who -ah -- has a lot of tremendous energy in a -- ....

HMJr:

Yeah.

F:

.... on a particular problem.

HMJr:

Well, do you think he could help us at all on this

procurement and surplus goods that you and the Army

are going to throw at us?
F:

Oh, he'd be -- he'd be excellent, Henry. I - I doubt very

much whether you could get him. You might.
HMJr:
F:

Well

He did -- of course he worked for us down here two years,
and he's - he's a man of some means, but not -- you know,

he hasn't got a great deal of substance.
HMJr:
F:

But I moant to borrow him -- just to borrow him for awhile.
Well, he'd -- you know, he's -- he's a very sensible
fellow, and I -- he'd - I know he'd work well. He'd work -he's a man that you'd find easy to work with.

Well, would you -- I don't gather, though, that you feel
he's outstanding.

Well, I wouldn't say he was -- well, I'd -- yes, I'd say
be is. - I'd - the only reservation I have about him
is that, at all - that he's bored with long meetings, and
you know, the kind of detail you sometimes have to go
through in government.

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Well, I an too.
And, of course, that's not unique.
Yeah.

I mean, he's not -- he's an impatient fellow. He wants

to get the job -- to get on with it fast ....

HMJr:

Yeah.

F:

.... and that quality was of the -- was of great service

to us here, and he was -- he was damn good.
HMJr:
F:

HMJr:
F:

HMJr:

Yeah.

But he's -- he's extremely impatient and intolerant with -of people that want to talk a lot.
Sounds good to me.

(Laughs) Yeah.

Well, I don't know whether I can -- but I just wanted -I haven' the faintest idea whether the RCA would loan

him to me.
F:

Well, I don't think you'd get -- you'd -- I can't think,
off-hand, of anybody better. If you couldn't get him,

he could -- he also would be -- he knows people of that

calibre pretty well.

HMJr:
F:

HMJr:

Yeah.

There's another man named Stevens -- Jack Stevens in
New York, who would be an extremely good man for you.

Well, Jack Stevens is in that -- the cotton business,
isn't he?

That's right.
Well, now, I know Bob Stevens.

I guess it -- I guess it is Bob Stevens I'm thinking of.
It's Bob Stevens -- Robert P. Stevens.

Tosh, he -- there's two. There are DMD brothers.
Tesh.

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The - the one is on the - which one are you thinking
about?

The fellow on the Reserve Board.

That's Rob - I think it - I think that's Bob, isn't it?
I think you're right.
What?

There's another man in Chicago. A man in Montgomery Ward
HMJr:
F:

Yeah.

who Frank always spoke of very highly. I -- his name
escapes me at the moment, but he was -- he was a fellow
that -- I think he's the chief procurement man now for
Montgomery.

HMJr:

The chief procurement man now? Do you know McBain of

Marshall Fields?

F:

Oh, I used to know him slightly.

FMJr:

Ah -- have you got any opinion of him?

F:

I wouldn't have any one worthwhile. He's the man that

got out of Marshall Field, isn't he?
HMJr:

No, he's the President now.

He's the present man. He -- I - Folsom - I know mostly

about him through Folsom. Folsom spoke very highly of
him.
HMJr:

Was Folsom of Montgomery Ward?

F:

He had -- he was there, yes...

HMJr:

I ....
and he had a disagreement with Avery.

Oh, yeah. Well, anyway. or if you don't mind, the fact
that I'm sort of checking up. would you keep that to
yourself?

Not . hit. I will.

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Thank you.

411 right.

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Name) 29. 1944

10:24 a.s.

HNJrt
Edward
Brown:
HMJr:
B:

Hello,

Hello. Mr. Norgenthau, this is Ned Brown in the
First National in Chicago.
Yes, sir.
I got hold of McBain and he said that he was pretty
positive that he couldn't take the job; that he
would go down and talk to you if you wanted to, but
he said that James L. Palmer, their First Vice
President is in Washington now. Our boys seem to
think that -- wondered if Palmer could see you and
get the story as to what the thing is and bring it
back to him before he went down. Palmer is the
man who, a number of years ago was, I think, in
the University of Chicago, was brought into Fields
by McKenzie. He's a very able man and really 18
the second man in Marshall Field & Company and

happens to be in Washington. McBain thought that

if he could talk with you or somebody in the office
and get the idea what the job was about, it would
save your time and possibly save

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:
B:

His.

Give McBain an idea of how long the job might
last or something.
What is Palmer doing here?

Palmer is Vice President and he surveys -- what
is he doing in Marshall Field's?

HMJr:

No, I mean is he here in the Government?

B:

No, he'e not -- at the present time he's not under
the Government. He made a survey of O.P.A. for

Brown.
HMJr:

Yes.

B:

I think he's -- he was loaned some months ago for

some months to Budget -- I mean, he knows something
about Washington, but he's back as second man in

Marshall Field now in Chicago. I think you'd have
a much better chance of getting him than getting
McBain. He's about forty-five years old.

21

HMJr:

Well...

3:

He was down in Washington - as a matter of fact,

HMJr:

I see.

the Government leases a tremendous amount of space
in the Merchandise Mart.

B:

HMJr:

And I think that Palmer thought Danny Bell was
after it or something connected with the Merchandise
Mart and the Government leases there.

Well, Dan just came in. Let me ask him. Do you

mind holding the wire a minute?

B:

No.

HMJr:

(Speaks aside) Ed, he saw Dan yesterday.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Well, you wouldn't mind if I called McBain direct?

B:

I wouldn't at all. I mean, McBain will be -- said
that he'd go down there if you want to see him.
I mean -- but I think that he thought that

HMJr:

Yeah.

B:

You might call McBain. I just got him at Marshall

HMJr:

It's M-c-B-e-1-n?

B:

M-c-B-a-1-n.

HMJr:

B -- B

B:

Houston McBain. His first name is H-o-u-e-t-o-n

HMJr:

Houston?

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Well, I think I'11 call him and see what can do.

B:

Yeah.

Field & Company so he's there.

like the city in Texas.

I'11 talk to Dan a minute.

-3. HMJr:

And see if I can get him at least to come down
and see me.

B:

A man -- thinking it over in the few minutes
you've talked to me -- with Butler Brothers, one
of the largest wholesale houses here...

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

Yes.

.... his name's Donaldson. He's the Vice President,

who formerly was Comptroller of Montgomery Ward.
oh, yes.

who is a very able executive. I mean you might

B:

consider him as a possibility, I think.
HMJr:

Donaldson?

B:

Yeah, of Butler Brothers.

HMJr:

Of Butler Brothers. Well, I'll think about that.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Well, thank you very much.

B:

Not at all.

HMJ
B:

Thank you.
Good bye.

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March 29, 1944

10.40 s.b.

HMJr:

Hello.

Houston
McBain:

Hello.

HMJr:

Mr. McBain.

M:

Yes, this is Mr. McBain of Marshall Field & Company.

HMJr:

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

M.

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

M:

HMJr:

I've just been talking with Ned Brown, who I think has
been talking with you.
Yes, I've talked to him twice on the phone this morning.
Now, I don't know whether Mr. Palmer is here or not.

He saw Dan Bell yesterday.
M:

Yes.

HMJr:

But, I know it's an awful nuisance to come to Washington

and all that sort of thing, but if you wouldn't mind

coming to be here Friday morning, I would appreciate it -so that we could take a look at each other.

M:

I see. Well, it just happens that Palmer is still there

HMJr:

Yes.

M:

.... and I've talked with him since I first talked with
Ned Brown.

HMJr:
M:

Yeah.

I reached Palmer on the phone. He's now at the Statler,
and I suggested that he get in touch with your office
immediately, which he is now trying to do.

HMJr:

Well, I'd -- I....

M:

Now ....
Please.

Ma

.... it may be that I can come down: as far BE taking the

job, it looks out. But since Palmer is there ****

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Teah.

**** at the moment. I would appreciate it very much if
you could see him, and discuss all the facts with him give him all the facts.

Well, I - I can do that, but you -- you say it would be
out as far as you're concerned?

It looks that way -- the way we're set up here now. Ah --

Mr

it might be that Palmer, himself, could do it. I don't
know.
HMJr:

Uh - huh.

He's extremely capable. He worked with Harold Smith for -in Washington -- for three months a year ago.

M:

HMJr:
M:

Harold Smith?

Yes, in the Bureau of the Budget -- we loaned him to
Smith for three months.

HMJr:

Yes.

M:

Actually he knows his way around there much better than

I do. He's the second man in this Corporation; he's a

member of our Board of Directors.
HMJr:
M:

HMJr:

Yes.

And since he's right there now, and available this morning,
I thought if he got all the facts, then when he gets back
here tomorrow morning, he and I could sit down and analyze
it and see what we do next.

Yes. Well, I'd like it, if you've got a couple of minutes,

I just -- I could tell you right now, but I'll -- I will

see Mr. Palmer, anyway.
M.

HMJr:

M2

HWr

Good.

Because what I had in mind, if you were coming, I would
like to see you Friday morning.
Yes.

And if you have any trouble on transportation, we'd be glad

to get it for you.

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Yes.

The point is: this group of Baruch and Hancock and will
Clayton are looking to Procurement to handle consumer
surplus goods of the Army and Navy ****
Yes.
HMJr:

.... and what I really want is somebody with outstanding
merchandising experience who'd come in here and set this

thing up for us.

M.

Yes.

HMJr:

Now that's the job that I have in mind.
When you say "surplus goods of the Army and Navy", I
assume that excludes food and munition.

M.

HMJr:

That's right.

M.

Yes.

HMJr:

It is consumer goods.

M:

Consumer goods.

HMJr:

Yeah. And it -- the food, as I understand it, would go

M:

Yes.

HMJr:

to the War Food Administration, and shipping will go to
shipping, and plants and so forth will go to RFC

.....

but this other huge group would come to us, and is

coming to us now in -- in, oh, ten or twelve million

dollars a month
M:

HMJr:

Yes.

.... at the present rate. But we -- we're not set up to

handle the volume that's going to come, and I - I'm looking
for the best merchandising man in the country to come down

here and help me set it up. I don't know how to do it,
but I -- all I know is where to get a good man.
Mr

Har2

(Laughs) Well, that's very kind.
I mean I wouldn't attempt to do it myself, but it's going
to be . perfectly huge thing. and they seem to feel that

26

--(cont*d)

- have the - through our warehouses and so forth and
so on - that we have the skeleton organization.
Yes.

HMJr:

But we haven't got the people who are big enough, or who
have grown up in the business

M:

Yes.

HMJr:

.... and now I've heard about you, and -- I - I asked
Mr. Brown whether you have been burned by Washington

before, and they said you hadn't ....

Mr

(Laughs)

HMJr:

.... so you're fresh meat ....

M:

Oh, I see.

HMJr:

.... and -- but if you came, I mean, you'd have a complete
free hand to go ahead and set it up on a business basis,

and there'd be no politics in it.
M:

HMJr:

M:

Yeah.

And, there'd be a straight business proposition to do
this thing for your government.

Well, I thought a lot of people in Washington didn't like
business men, from what I gathered reading the press.

HMJr2

Well, don't believe everything you read in the press, but

I - : I'm looking for a business man with business experience,
who'd bring in business associates, and do this on a
straight business basis.

M:

Well, I'll be thinking about it, and I'd appreciate very
much your seeing Mr. Palmer this morning.

HMJr:

All right. Supposing you tentatively get yourself a
reservation so that you could be in here Friday?

I'll do that, and I'll get in touch with you tomorrow

as to whether it seens best or not.
will you do that?

Yes, I will, Mr. Secretary.

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Thank you so much.

Righto. Good-bye.

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New 29. 1986
10:98 B.B.

Randolph

Paul:

Hello.

HNJr:

Are you at home?

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Look, Randolph, you remember when Louis Weiss
came down to see us?

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And they had plenty of

P:

I saw him a good many times after that, you know.

HMJr:
P:

Good. Well, we helped him, didn't we?
Yeah, I think we -- we helped him in two or three
ways. We helped him in the first place by keeping

him in close track of the situation.

HMJr:

Well.

P:

So he knew what was going on and I also talked

with him on constitutional angles of the thing.

HMJr:

Yeah.

P:

We couldn't take an active place on the front

HMJr:

No. Well, let me explain what I've got, old man.

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

line on it.

I'm trying to get a Mr. Houston McBain, M-c-B-a-i-n,
President of Marshall Field of Chicago
....to come down and help me out on this surplus
property. Now, what I want to find out from you

to Louis Weiss is -- is Marshall Field still the
controlling interest. You see?

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

I mean, does he control it?

P:

Yesh.

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HMWr

Now, if he is the principal stock holder, I'm
like him to tell Houston McBein, "Go on down

and help Morgenthau".
P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

See?

P:

Well, may I write down that name? M-c....

HMJr:

M-c-B-a-1-n.

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

His name is Houston like Houston, Texas.

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

McBain.

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And he's the president of Marshall Field's.

P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Now, I've talked to him and I've asked him

whether he wouldn't come down Friday to see
me.

P:

This coming Friday?

HMJr:

Yeah.

P:

That's tomorrow -- no, day after tomorrow.

HMJr:

Day after tomorrow. And -- but he said he's

practically sure he can't do it, but if Marshall

Field was the dominating stockholder and we could
get word to him through Weiss that this is something
that I would appreciate
P:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And if he will tell the other fellow, you know.

P:

Yeah.

HNJr:

Put a little heat on him.

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Yeah. Well, I can get in touch with Weine
very -- assuming - I assume be's in his office.

In fact, I got a letter from him a couple of days

ago.
HMJr:

And just ask him. I mean, he may say, "No, young -80-called young Marshall Field is not the dominating
stockholder," but on the other hand if he is, then
tell him that this is to come down and help us put

this thing on its feet so we can handle the surplus

property.

It's just an organization job. It isn't a permanent --

P:

I mean, it isn't something that

HMJr:

Well, I'd say, "Put it on it's feet and stay here

P:

Yeah. All right, I'll get after Weiss.

HMJr:

Because -- will you do that?

P:

Yeah. Be glad to.

HMJr:

And it's something that if he's going to do it,
I'd like him to do it today.

long enough to get it going."

P:

Yeah. All right, I'll -- I'll put a call right

HMJr:

All right.

P:

I know Weiss on a pretty good basis.

HMJr:

Have you had your coffee?

P:

(Laughs) I've been way down M Street already.

HMJr:

What?

P:

I -- well, I went to bed at nine o'clock last

HMJr:

You're flattering yourself. (Laughs)

P:

Hell, I can't take more than ten hours sleep.

HMJr:

(Laughs) Okay.

P:

All right.

HMJr:

Bye.

through and see if I can get Weiss.

night so I was pretty good this morning.

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March 29, 2944

MEMORANDUM FOR SECHETARY MORGENTHAU:

From: Assistant Secretary Sullivan

InS

Mr. R. S. Stevens, Vice President and General Merchandise
Manager of Montgomery Ward, is to be in Washington on April 4. Last

week we made arrangements for him to be available to talk with us
that afternoon.

Others we had intended to call in this week included:
Mr. Houlder Hudgins, formerly of Montgomery Ward and now with
Sloane-Elabon Corporation, New York City.

Mr. Jack Strauss, Macy's, New York City.
Mr. Theodore Quinn, of the Maxon advertising agency who is the
top man on the merchandising program for General Electric household appliances.
F. W. Binzen, merchandise manager of The Penney Company.

B. C. Heacock, Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Caterpillar Tractor Company.

This represents the first group we intended to talk with.

s/w new

Volume of Transactions at the Procurement Division,
Monthly, July 1943 to date

(In millions of dollars)
:

:

Month

Purchases :

Sales

:

$106

$4

August

120

3

September

172

1943-July

October

75

November

125

December

82

1944-January

4

12

5

5

89

18

February

95

12

Total

$864

$63

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Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, March 28, 1944.
Division of Research and Statistics.

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before mid
AGENDA

Re making %

1. Goal - 816 billion
2. Increase in maturing Certificates
(a) May 1st - $2 billion (maturing $1,655 million)

(b) August 1st - $1 billion (naturing $2,545 million)
3. Treasury bill program

4. Basket of securities
5. Date of Drive
6. Deferred payment for insurance companies,
savings banks, pension funds, etc.

7. Time deposits of commercial banks.

March 20, 1944.

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March 29, 1944

11:00 a.s.

FINANCING

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Gamble
Mr. Haas

Mr. Eccles
Mr. Sproul

MR. ECCLES: After we got Dan's memorandum on Monday,

we spent practically all day yesterday discussing the

memorandum and anything else that anyone wanted to bring

up and discuss. And, of course, Goldenweiser and Piser
have discussed the matter a good deal with the staff people
for the last month off and on, and, also, they have talked
back and forth with Bob Rouse so the staff people were fully
advised.

MR. BELL: There are a good many things that are being

discussed that I didn't think necessarily had to be decided
today, so I left those off the agenda.
MR. ECCLES: That is correct.
Now, here is a memorandum that we didn't have time to

work off, particularly. (Distributes copies of "Recommendations by Executive Committee of Federal Open Market

Committee to Secretary of the Treasury," attached.)
H.M.JR: Do you want me to read it now?
MR. ECCLES: That would be fine.

H.M.JR: You got my message, why I had announced that

sixteen billion, didn't you?

MR. ECCLES: Yes, Ransom told me. well, I mean, it

was perfectly all right. I hedn't seen the fourteen.

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-2MR. BELL: It was all over the paper.
MR. ECCLES: We agree with the sixteen, as a matter

of fact.

H.M.JR: You do?

MR. ECCLES: Yes, we all agree that sixteen is the

right figure; fourteen is too low.
How would it be to read it--well, I don't know how
you want it.
H.M.JR: I have read the second paragraph.
MR. ECCLES: How would it be to read it out loud?

H.M.JR: There is nothing in there that I disagree
with you on.

MR. ECCLES: Wouldn't it be better before you either
disagree or agree to go right through the whole thing?
H.M.JR: Which way do you want me to do it?

MR. ECCLES: I think that is better. Then you get
the whole picture, you see.

H.M.JR: All right. (Reads memorandum to himself.)

Gamble really ought to be here, shouldn't he? I
will see if I can get him over here. (Requests Mr. Gamble
to attend conference.)

May I say it is an excellent memorandum. If I could
have had this a little earlier, it would have helped me.
MR. ECCLES: Well, we finally got that off the mimeograph at ten-thirty this morning.
H.M. JR: Then I couldn't--

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3-

MR. SPROUL: As a result of our conversations all
day yesterday, this was drawn up last night and this
morning.

MR. ECCLES: You see, we had Dan's here. We got
this Monday and so met yesterday all morning and again in

the afternoon, and this was the result of the discussion

of just the Executive Committee. On the Executive Committee
there is Hugh Leach, McKee, Draper, Allan, and I. Then
we had some of the staff people.

MR. BELL: You have my table there, Mr. Secretary, I
mean, the table of balances.
Number one is the goal, which is agreed on. Number
two on page two of their statement they say they see no

reason for doing any direct bank financing, and, therefore,
recommend there be no offering of certificates or cash in
connection with the May 1 refunding. That is the fourth
column on that statement, where you have two billion dollars
for May. That would increase the maturing certificates by

two billion dollars, making it three billion six, and give

us that much more cash. Now, they are recommending that be

eliminated. The bankers did likewise, because they said
it would draw funds from the corporations, and so forth,

and take it out of the drive. They would like to leave
that two billion dollar increase out at this time and

leave a vacuum there so they could pick it up in the drive.

H.M.JR: Now, wait a minute. You can't pick it up

in the drive if the Federal Open Market Committee--I gather

they want to eliminate certificates entirely.
MR. ECCLES: Not in the drive.

MR. BELL: No, no, they recommend the basket be the
same, but they add the one and a quarter percent note.

MR. ECCLES: We are talking about four at the bottom
of page two.

H.M.JR: Oh, I thought you were recommending the elinination.

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MR. SPROUL: We have in the past, and we would like

to get away from it, but we don't think you can in this
drive.

H.M.JH: Maybe it was because I was told that is
what you were going to ask. (Laughter)
MR. BELL: I think you may have been thrown off by
the last sentence, "You may wish to consider the inclusion
of the one and a quarter note."
MR. ECCLES: None of us feel, with the volume to be

raised, that the certificate should be left out of the
It is such an important part, that I don't think you can
change any time from now out. I think to get corporate
funds a certificate is with you for the duration.

drive. We feel that you have already established it now.

MR. SPROUL: It might be possible, if the rate on
bills were increased to where we think it ought to be
and if a short note were--you could get rid of the cer-

tificate.

MR. ECCLES: Our idea in suggesting a rate--and I
think a half of what we had in mind may be too low--

instead of figuring that the bill is merely an instrument
for the Fed to take, we would like to see more bills in
the banks and less certificates. Instead of the banks
getting seven-eighths for certificates--there isn't any
reason for it. The banking situation is such that I

think that the banks with what bank financing that you
may have to take, there is no reason why the banks shouldn't

take a bill. We have a half-rate bill here, but I can't
help but feel that five-eighths bill for a period of four

months--get all the new money that we expect to get from

the banks on bills. Your outstanding amount of bills is

only thirteen billion.

(Mr. Gamble entered the conference.)

H.M.JR: I am sorry, Ted, I should have let you know
earlier. You could take one of these statements and read
it. George has one.

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MR. HELL: You see, with the two billion in May that

would bring our balance down, going out of May into June

with a drive approaching five billion nine instead of
seven billion nine.

MR. ECCLES: If you started the drive, though, on
May 23, instead of June, your balance would increase.
MR. BELL: Yes.

MR. ECCLES: Your balance would not get that low.
MR. BELL: But this statement is based on the assump-

tion that the drive would start early, June or not until

after June 1, so your balance would be down to around six

billion dollars at the end of May.

MR. ECCLES: On May 23 it wouldn't fall; it would

more likely be eight billion dollars.

H.M.JR: Let me get one thing at a time. What you

are talking about is not adding two billion to the certificate that comes due on May 1. Is that right?

MR. BELL: That is right. That is a billion, six

hundred and fifty-five million maturing. With two billion
you would have a maturity of three billion six next year.
H.M.JR: But have the extra in the drive.

a

MR. BELL: At least leave that money there and not

pick it up in the certificate before the drive.
H.M.JR: But figure you are going to do it in the
drive.

MR. ECCLES: Except you wouldn't make a public offer-

ing at all; you would make your non-bank offering in the
drive only of sixteen billion, getting as much a s you can.
MR. SPROUL: You would hope to get an additional

amount in the drive from non-bank investors rather than

getting it before the drive from banks.

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H.M.JR: I should think from the drive standpoint
that that is a good suggestion.
MR. BELL: I think that is.
H.M.JR: I would like Gamble to pass on that when
he gets around to it.

But I don't think we will have any difficulty on

that; it is coming to me as a shock, and a pleasant one.
MR. BELL: They leave the next one open, the August 1
increase. In that memorandum you show a billion increase
in the same column for the August 1 maturity, and--

H.M.JR: As I say, it sounds all right. I am not
making any commitment yet.

Gamble, if you will just listen for one minute--the

suggestion that Fed has made is that we don increase

our certificates by two billion dollars, and just hold
that with the hope that we get-that much additional in the drive.
MR. GAMBLE:

I think that is very good.
H.M.JR: I am not saying yes or no, but it sounds

all right. But I am a little conservative here; I don't
like to be rushed by the Fed too much.

MR. BELL: You notice there are eighteen billion dol-

lars in that statement to get from the drive.
H.M.JR: What is the next one?

MR. HAAS: The next point is the Treasury is misquoted

in the third paragraph. The Treasury forecasts that--I
presume it is based on some of those memoranda. That
wasn't a forecast--it is in the third paragraph, "exclusive

of Federal agencies and trust funds, is forecast by the
Treasury as 33.3 billion dollars for the calendar year 1944."
That isn't a forecast. That thing assumed that you went

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7

through the year on the same basis as the Fourth her

Loan Drive. That is the may it would come out. Everybody in the Treasury, I am sure, hopes and is kind of
inclined to believe it will be somewhat better.

MR. BELL: It is just set out on a basis of past
experience.

H.M.JR: You have protected your honor. Now, let's
go.

MR. HAAS: That is the important part.

H.M.JR: Says you! (Laughter) Having done that,
do you mind--

MR. HAAS: Go on now; it is all right.
MR. BELL: We have passed number one and number two.

H.M.JR: George is so worried about his honor, which

is in four, isn't it?

MR. SPROUL: Four-F. (Laughter)
H.M.JR: What about three?

MR. BELL: Number three is raising the rate on
Treasury bills, which we have discussed a good many times.

Really I can't see any excuse for raising this bill rate
from three-eighths to one-half when all it virtually is
now is currency.

H.M.JR: The only thing that would make me do it would
be to get Wendell Willkie to come out.

MR. SPROUL: Against it, or for it?
H.M.JR: Well, I don't know.
MR. ECCLES: I know we have discussed it a good deal.

MR. BELL: I don't see how you can substitute Hills
for certificates at the higher rate which they want and like.

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MR. ECCLES: But if you don't put the certificate
out, Dan, now I don t see any reason why the bank financing
that they are going to do directly should be given seveneighths. It seems to me that we need more bills in the

banks. Now, the banks have about six billion of bills.

Now, of course, the three-eighths bill with the banks
is, in effect, the reserve upon which they get interest,

really. That is the way it is today, and they are not

going to take these three-eighths bills as an investment.
So far as the Fed taking bills is concerned, the

three-eighths rate is certainly plenty, and it isn't an

idea of getting any better return on what the Fed buys

at all. We discussed that to see if we could find some

way in which we could refund the Treasury, I mean, any

different way, so it isn't an idea as far as we are concerned of getting any return; it is to get the bill more

in line with the certificate, that is the certificate

at seven-eighths for a year. A bill as a money market

instrument should go much more to the banks than it does.
H.M.JR: Which should go more to the banks?

MR. ECCLES: The banks should get more bills; the
banks should take more bills.

MR. BELL: In place of certificates?
MR. ECCLES: It wouldn't affect the reserve picture.
We
will have to buy whatever is necessary to give the
reserves.
H.M.JR: Are you worrying about the banks earning

too much?

MR. ECCLES: I think the money market banks don't

need the seven-eighths today. It seems to me that a

bill as a shorter piece of paper, that is, related to the
certificate, would tend to put out a great many more
bills than me now have out. The volume of certificates

is growing very, very rapidly, and you have to make a

roll-over of these certificates periodically. The bills

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work automatically. It becomes an automatic operation,
and instead of having outstanding thirteen billion of
bills which you now have out, and the banks own about

six billion of them, if during this year the banks and
the Fed together would have to get, say, fifteen billion,
I think the twenty-two billion that you figured for the
banks and the Fed is too high, George. I would think
that fifteen would be much nearer to what we might get

by with.

MR. BELL: You mean the banks and the Fed?

MR. ECCLES: Yes. Certainly ten billion of that
amount should be in bills, and the banks, instead of
owning so many other securities, including certificates,

should have at least five or six billion more of bills.
They won't take the bills at three-eighths; they will run
into the certificate, go into the market and buy certificates and bonds and other things.

What I think we ought to try to do is to do more of
the short financing on bills at a lower rate, of course,

than certificates. I don't know whether the half is high
enough; it may take a five-eighths to bear a relationship
to the certificates, I don't know.
H.M.JR: Could I interrupt you a minute? As near as
I get your thinking--we have had this before, and you may

be right--what you are worring about is that certificate
rate of seven-eighths is too high.
MR. ECCLES: I don't know that it is too high for
certificates.

MR. SPROUL: The three-eighths rate is too low in
comparison with the seven-eighths rate for certificates.
I think the seven-eighths rate for certificates is all
right.

H.M.JR: Let's drop the rate on certificates to

three-quarters.

MR. SPROUL: You have . pattern of rates now which is

in pretty good alignment from seven-eighths out, but your

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- 10 difficulty is with your pattern rates from seven-eighths

to three-eighths.

H.M.JR: But if you are going to squeeze it, why not

save a little money?

MR. SPROUL: We think you would save money by increas-

ing the rate on bills and getting more of the financing into

bills than by keeping it all in certificates.

H.M.JR: How about dropping the rate to three-quarters?

MR. ECCLES: I think it would be all right from the
bank standpoint, but the difficulty with the certificate

is, it isn't only a bank instrument; the certificate has

become a corporation instrument, and the corporations are

very heavy buyers.

The three-quarters would be plenty for banks if you

just relied upon the banks to take the certificate, but
you use the certificate in the drive for the non-bank in-

vestor. That is the difficulty, so what we are trying to
do is to get a higher rate on bills and let the banks take
the bills instead of the certificates.
H.M.JR: But just because we don't see alike on the
three-eighths, how about saying the banks can't buy the
seven-eighths but we will give them a three-quarters?
MR. ECCLES: Of course, the trouble is-MR. SPROUL: The corporations depend on the bank market

being there if and when they want to get cash for the
seven-eighths.

H.M.JR: We have had this for about two years?
MR. SPROUL: Yes, about two years.
MR. BELL: Since May, 1942.

H.M.JR: And we haven't seen eye to eye. I grant we
have been lucky so far. Last time the discussion HBS that

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- 11 you couldn't get more bills distributed, and we have been
fairly successful, haven't we?
MR. SPROUL: We have, but it is an indirect sale to

the Fed. It is not a market distribution.
H.M.JR: Doesn't it stick a little bit?
MR. ECCLES: No.

MR. BELL: Outstanding bills are going down because
the Fed has to supply reserves to the market through
Treasury bills.

H.M.JR: Wouldn't it be just the same if the rate

was one-half?

MR. ECCLES: We would have to supply--

MR. SPROUL: If you increase the supply of bills, we
probably would continue to get most of the bills, but we
think more would stick in the banks than now stick there.

MR. ECCLES: If you don't offer certificates--instead

of making this offering of certificates that you talk of

here to the banks, you won't moke any offering of certificates to the banks; you would increase the offering of

bills instead of offering the certificates that you

propose to offer, and the banks then would only get the

bill.
The
certificate
to the
banks
at all. just wouldn't be available directly
Of course, the banks will go into the market and will
buy bills, will bid them up to buy them as long as the

certificate is as low as it is. They won't take the
certificate at the present rate; they will go in and get
the certificates indirectly.
MR. BELL: They won't take the bills?

MR. ECCLES: That is right. My point is, if you could
get the bill rate so that the pattern between bills and

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certificates was more realistic and you wouldn't offer
certificates, the only thing available then in the
offering would be the bill. And we would expect, then,
the additional market offerings to be bills instead of
certificates.
H.M.JR: Well, now, I go along with you. There is
no argument here on the Treasury's part. Everything
should be done to sell every dollar to the non-banking
group. There is no argument about that.
I like your suggestion that we don't increase the

certificates by two billion dollars before the drive

and try to sell that much more, and so forth.

Now, the other thing, I would like to pass it for

the minute. It is a difference which we have approached

every three months. We still haven't been able to see it.

I don't know how much you have tried to wear Bell down on

this thing, but you are young fellows, and I am not saying
yes or no; I would like to pass it for the minute, because

it is the most difficult thing, and I don't know whether
we can get together on it or not.

MR. ECCLES: Henry, let me just say this, and then
pass it. We won't bring the thing up now, except you
have an interim period, you have a different situation
than we have had, in which we have to increase the bills
substantially.
We have been talking about, likewise, increasing the

certificates for the banks. It is in connection with that
that we thought it appropriate to at least call to your
attention here what seems to us a better way of handling
this, which is not to make available at any time certificates
from the banks or other issues, but do what we can by getting
a better rate so that the banks will take the bills in a

much larger amount than they have taken, and take less of

the certificates, so that the amount of outstanding certificates that the Treasury has would not be so high, and
the amount of bills they have out would be much higher.

That is a situation, . different approach- it is . little
different situation than you have had in the past.

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H.M.JR: I will give it careful consideration.
MR. SPROUL: The net result would be that your financing would be done in the aggregate at a lower rate rather
than a higher rate.
MR. ECCLES: It wouldn't cost you more money.

MR. BELL: If you shift from a certificate, of course,
back to a half bill, you save money. There is no doubt about
that.

But it seems to me that we have sold three-eighths
to the country, to the money market, and now to raise that

rate gives a basis for all of this talk about the shortterm rate strengthening that we had last fall, and which
we quieted, I think, very effectively. It starts all
over again.

MR. SPROUL: I think it no longer is a money rate;
it is a Federal Reserve discount rate now, their threeeighths rate.

MR. ECCLES: It isn't a money market rate at all.
MR. SPROUL: It is just the way they borrow money

from us at three-eighths, so I don't think, myself, an

increase--

MR. ECCLES: If you raise to seven-eighths, that is
another story.
MR. BELL: They would be borrowing at a half if you
stuck it up there.
MR. SPROUL: I don't think that increase would have
any effect on Government securities, except from-MR. HAAS: If you thought about this, Marriner, right

now, you are beginning to hear these comments about your

reaching the bottom of the barrel; things are getting tight.
Then you raise the rate, and it is liable to affect the
whole thing all the way out.

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- 14 Now, you can have one opinions I can have one; and

the Secretary and 11--everybody--but it is . speculative
thing, and I think at this stage, why speculate?
MR. ECCLES: You can keep the three-eighths bill rate
for the purpose, and you can put out only the amount of

bills that It will be necessary for Fed to take to give
the necessary reserves. That is all you can do. But you
can't put out more bills and make them stick at three-

eighths.
MR. HAAS: Some of them--

MR. ECCLES: I think they will stay right down a round

your present six billion level.

MR. BELL: Of course, Marriner, you can't put out

seven-eighths and make them stick unless you provide reserves.

MR. ECCLES: That is right, but you will just provide
the reserves. What I am thinking of is, instead of the
banks holding the number of certificates and notes, increasing their holding of certificates and notes to make up the
slack, and that you don't get from non-banking investors,
the banks would make up on a bill, rather than get the
higher rate on these other securities.
Speaking of money market banks, which is really the
place where you get--I would like to see them have a lot

more bills and less of the other paper to the extent that

the bank money must be provided, and we can't get the banks

to do that on the present differential of three-eighths,

I mean, on the three-eighths bill, because the spread
between three-eighths and seven-eighths is too great to
get the banks--they will run into the market and buy up

the other security, instead of holding the bill. That

is the point that we had in mind.
H.M.JR: Can we think about it?
MR. ECCLES: Yes.

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H.M.JH: lion, number four, The recommend that the

basket in the fifth drive be the same as in the fourth
drive except for the substitution of 2 per cent fully

marketable bonds for 2-1/4 percent bonds of restricted mar-

ketability." We have been over that in great length,

and we are in accord with you on that.
MR. GAMBLE: Yes, sir.
MR. BELL: Yes.

H.M.JR: You said it was two percent. Where did you

say it would fall?
MR. BELL: In '52-'54, eight-ten years.

MR. ECCLES: The last was eight-ten. It would be
just the same.

H.M.JR: Would that be all right with you people,
June?

MR. SPROUL: Yes.

MR. BELL: I had an interesting suggestion yesterday.
Dominic Rich suggested that you have a ten and a half

or eleven-year, two, definite maturity rate and allow
the restriction to be on.
MR. SPROUL: With restrictions on?

MR. BELL: For that ten years, which is a new sug-

gestion. I don't know whether you could put out a definite
maturity date of ten and a half or eleven years or not
with the restrictions. What do you think, George?
MR. HAAS: You can put it out, but I am skeptical as
to what would happen.

MR. BELL: It is a little off the line.
MR. HAAS: Yes, and that is probably what he thought

- attractive.

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- 16 H.M.JH: I missed that.
MR. BELL: Dominic Rich is a dealer in New York. He
came in yesterday and suggested that we give consideration

to a definite maturity rate rather than have a call date
on the two and make it a little longer than the ten-year
period, say, ten and a half to eleven years, that period

over ten years being restricted to commercial banks. He
said he thought it would go well and be popular because of

its definite maturity date. At the same time within six

months everybody knew they could get rid of them to the
banks.

H.M.JR: Is anybody interested?

MR. SPROUL: I am interested, but I still think the

two percent fully marketable would be better.

it.

MR. HAAS: This put a fixed maturity on it and lengthened

MR. BELL: That is right.
Now, there is another suggestion in that number four
that we might want to consider, the inclusion of one and a

quarter percent notes. I think that would be rather popular.

What would you think of crowding another security?

MR. GAMBLE: I don't think the basket is overcrowded.

I think it would be fine to add it for this drive.

MR. SPROUL: It was the principal question we had,
whether the basket was overcrowded. But we were suf-

ficiently interested to suggest it as something for your
consideration.

MR. GAMBLE: There has been an indication that there

is a market for that. It has come from numerous sources,

and with the rest of the basket set, I think there is no

objection to adding that and experimenting with it.
MR. ECCLES: Instead of just the seven-eighths that

we have stuck to continuously, there is still a lot of cash

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that just doesn't go into bonds. The stuff sticks in the
banks, If you could draw some of it out on this that

doesn't go into the seven-eighths, you are that much ahead.
MR. SPROUL: We thought that anything which would

broaden the market for non-banking investors ought to have
serious consideration.

MR. BELL: I think that is worth thinking about.
H.M.JR: Five, "Our opinion would be that the drive

should begin on May 23 or 29 and should cover a period

of three weeks; but on this point we believe that the

recommendations of the sales organization should be decisive."

That is largely a thing, Gamble, you and all these people
will have to discuss.
MR. SPROUL: We put in there that we thought the

sales organization idea should be decisive on this.

MR. GAMBLE: They realize how they have to expand in

a number of directions this time. They were going to
shorten the period of the drive.

MR. BELL: They wanted more time to get the organization
ready.

H.M.JR: What they want is three weeks, and have it
run over the Fourth of July so they get the July 1 money,
get that dividend money.

MR. BELL: The salesmen suggested June 14 or July 8.
MR. GAMBLE: Yes, the banks recommended June 7 to

July 4, and the sales organization recommended two dates.
They were not unmindful of the attractiveness of the

earlier spring date and the vacation period and all the

problems that came in the summer. They recommended May
28 or June 14, but they recommended June 14 as their

first choice, for the reasons that this extra task that
they have--

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MR. ECCLES: I should certainly think that if the
sales organization preferred that, I wouldn't question it.
H.M.JR: I think just as you do, that they should
settle that, unless it is something you object to.
MR. SPROUL: No.

MR. ECCLES: There is this in connection with quotas
that I would like to suggest: There has been, as you know,

a tendency for States to get over their quota in total,

but it was because the corporations and those other than

individuals got much larger than their quota. It seems to
me that instead of thinking of an over-all State quota,
we thought-- know you give two quotas, but I would ignore
the total. Say that you have two quotas and that is all,
that there is an individual quota and the corporate quota,
and that you are not over the top until you get both quotas-you might get one hundred and fifty percent of one and fall
short on the other, but you still don't have your quota.
Put the emphasis on your two quotas, and don't let them

cover up their failure to get the individual.

MR. GAMBLE: There was less of that this time.
MR. ECCLES: It was an improvement, but there is a

lot of these sales people in the States that in order to

get over the hundred percent as a total they go to corporations and others and say, "Now, we will be over the top if

you will do this, see. It is the easy way out, instead

of going the hard way and getting it from the individuals.
MR. SPROUL: You contemplate giving more emphasis to

that next time than you did last time, which was more than

you had before?

MR. GAMBLE: That is right.

H.M.JR: Could I make a suggestion, that if you
people had fifteen or twenty minutes when you were over
here, you could go to Bell's room OF some place and let
Gamble give you an outline of where we stand from the salesamn's standpoint. Would that be agreeable to you people?
Do you have the time?

- 19 MR. ECCLES: Yes, we ought to be back there by one
o'clock.

H.M.JR: I think we could finish here by twelve.

Then if you had the time, I would like Gamble to go over
and outline his plans to you and then get your suggestions.
I

think they ought to know. Is that all right with you

and Bell?

MR. GAMBLE: It is perfectly all right.
MR. BELL: Sure.
Number six?

H.M.JR: Well, we have heard the discussion. Do you
want to take that point, or should Gamble, why we don't

think it is good?

MR. BELL: I take it that this is really a partial-

payment scheme borrowed from banks, and not a partialpayment scheme put out by the Treasury.

MR. ECCLES: The Treasury put it out.
MR. BELL: Or advocated it.

MR. ECCLES: They put it out on a specific plan, the

forms and everything. It won't be just left up to banks'
discretion. We didn't take time to spell it all out here,

because it calls for not less than twenty percent down
and twenty percent a month, which would mean that in four
months the loan would be paid. Now, one of the reasons for
that is that if people get committed, say, a man is induced
to take five hundred dollars; he hasn't the oash, but he
expects to get it, or somebody else has it coming in and
he can be pressed to take five hundred dollars. Then when
that comes in, he isn't around spending it for something
else. He has himself committed to make those payments.
Be has paid his twenty percent down, and he is then under

pressure to meet the payments instead of spending his money.

It has worked very successfully in Canada. It has been one

of the big factors, they claim, in their successful drives
in getting people under pressure to meet these payments.

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- 20 H.M.JR: As long as you people only have until quarter

of one, could we pass that up, and maybe Gamble and Bell

could explain it? Could I leave that one there? They can
handle that with you gentlemen, if that is agreeable.
The next one goes down to a hundred dollars. We have

been "agin" it all the time, but I will be open to argu-

ment on that. It is getting hotter and hotter to sell.

MR. SPROUL: Again, the general argument is to broaden

the field wherever possible for non-bank investors. We
think that is a field which hasn't been tapped. Those

who don't want a registered security, who want a marketable
bond, and want small denominations--

MR. GAMBLE: They voted against it, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: Again, may I pass that, and you as sales

manager explain to them why, because I am weakening on it.
MR. ECCLES: Every darn one of our Reserve Bank

Presidents--there isn't a single one of them but said-Hugh Leach, for instance, this morning said that if you
put out that bond and you put it in the bank where it can
be sold over the counter, a hundred dollars in cash, a
market bond--he said that without question in his district
you could very substantially increase the sale to non-bank
investors that would not come in and take a registered
security.

H.M.JR: I have been opposed to it, but I am weakening.
MR. GAMBLE: We discussed it very thoroughly for two

days. The point was brought up that If the Treasury was
ever disposed to do it, it probably ought to be on order
to the Treasury, not made available for the sales people to
sell.

MR. HAAS: I think it is the most important decision

in the whole business. It is all we have left as the
pattern of rates that distinguishes this war finance from

the previous one. I think it is political dynamite. It

gets back to the same old argument.

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H.M.JR: Suppose you just let them be sold over the

bank counter.

MR. GAMBLE: In this last drive there were seventysix thousand odd pieces sold only. You are talking about
sixty-nine million nine hundred thousand sales in the E

bond field. There is no indication--I am looking at it

just from the point of view of demand on our securities.
There is no indication that there is any great demand for
securities. The arguments against it, from our point of
view, far outweigh the argument for it.
H.M.JR: I am going to duck it, because I am trying
to get through at twelve. As I say, as far as I am concerned I have been opposed to it, but I am weakening. I
am leaning a little bit your way on this thing. We have
to get more of this non-banking money.

MR. ECCLES: Every banker is for it, probably.
MR. BELL: The bankers raised the question as to

whether they should again bring the subject up. I told
them it wasn't on the agenda, but they could feel free to
bring up any subject they wanted to. They put it aside.
I notice they didn't put it in the recommendation.
MR. SPROUL: The bankers are a timid lot.

MR. BELL: They were in favor of it.
H.M. JR: Anyway, you people have another forty-five

minutes after I leave.

MR. BELL: The important decision is this raising the

E from forty-five to fifty.

MR. ECCLES: Of course, if you don't reduce the other
to a hundred, then you shouldn't raise the G to five, but
if you reduce the other, they have a marketable bond at a

hundred. The G bond is a coupon bond. mean, it isn't
a coupon; it is a registered bond. We figured out that

the Treasury mails now about four million, dollar and a quarter
checks . year, and the paper and the asnpower and everything

- 22 being what it is, four million checks at a dollar and .
quarter just doesn't seem realistic at all.
Now, the - bond, of course, is a registered bond, but
you don't pay the interest semi-annually. But on this
other bond, four million checks at a dollar and a quarter

each, when you think of the cost of making them out, mailing
them, the cost of clearing them through the banking system,

it just isn't realistic.

MR. GAMBLE: I wouldn't be too much concerned about

the elimination of the hundred dollar G bond, because I
think the same situation there is true--but on the twenty-

five dollar E, we sold forty-seven million of them for

eight hundred and fifty million dollars. It is like going

into Woolworths and telling them to give up their five and
ten cent articles.
MR. ECCLES: But you are assuming that a great many

people would take two of the twenty-five dollar bonds in

lieu of the fifty.

MR. GAMBLE: I think it is true. We would not put
out a twenty-five dollar bond if we had to do it over
again. But having raised a fourth of our money through

twenty-five dollar bonds, I think it is surcide.
H.M.JR: I would fight and bleed for the twenty-five
dollar bond, and I realize we are throwing a terrific
burden on the Federal Reserve Banks with this stuff.
tion.

MR. SPROUL: The first burden is on your own organizaMR. GAMBLE: We have gone far enough in this drive,

Mr. Sproul, to say, "Don't buy a twenty-five dollar bond
if you can buy a hundred or two hundred dollar bond."

We have been working on a plan; we have done nothing

about it, but we have discussed allowing them an average

dating on the higher bond in order to eliminate the twenty-

five dolier bond. I think me can do that. I don t think

we have been aggressive enough.

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- 23 H.M.JH: That is the kind of thing, Ted, I would

like you to explain to these gentlemen. Maybe they have

changed their minds. If you don't mind, I would like to

pass that.

That doesn't mean, Marriner, that you and I can't
talk again. I would like to talk again between now and

Friday noon.

Now this last thing--aren't we in agreement on that?
MR. BELL: On the 7th? The bankers recommended that it

be ten percent and have a limit of five hundred thousand.
They also recommended the certificates of deposit.
MR. ECCLES: Held by individuals.

MR. BELL: Now, there is that question of certificates

of deposit. We said originally, when we put this first
into operation that certificates of deposit could be
played around with corporate funds, and we excluded it
just for that reason. But I think we have probably got to
include certificates of deposit. Maybe we can confine it

to those issued to individuals, because many banks in the

West don't have pass books.
MR. SPROUL: That was the word when we had our meeting

with all the presidents, that in many of the districts
the banks didn't use pass books. It was a savings deposit,
and it could be confined to certificates of deposit to
individuals. You needn't slop over into other certificates
of deposit.

H.M.JR: Didn't we say five hundred thousand?
MR. BELL: The bankers recommended it.

MR. ECCLES: Why five? You had two last time, ten

percent. Now double it to four and twenty percent.

MR. HAAS: This helps the little bank more than the

other.

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- 24 MR. SPROUL: That WES our idea.

MR. BELL: I have no objection.
MR. ECCLES: This was done for the little bank.

H.M.JR: This would be all right with me. Well,
there are some other things. As I say, if you will
excuse me, I will be wanting to talk to you on the phone

again. will you be in New York tomorrow?
MR. SPROUL: Yes, I will.

H.M.JR: I will be talking to you, too, if I may.
MR. BELL: I would like to see the increase in
Treasury bills start next month of four hundred million

dollars of extra money, in the third column, for April.
H.M.JR: Is there any disagreement on that?

MR. ECCLES: That is all related to the whole bill
decision. If you are going to do nothing with reference
to trying to increase the market for bills for banks-and they are only considering bills as a means of furnishing
additional reserves--then I can't see any objection to the
hundred million of bills a week.
MR. SPROUL: It is related to this whole bill question

of rate and maturity as we put it up. It is also related,

as I see it, to your need for funds and our general idea
that you shouldn't go to the banks, that is, going to the
banks until you need the funds. But as soon as you do,
then under one scheme or the other you would go to the

banks with the bills.

H.M.JR: If we are not going to get the two billion
dollars additional in certificates, I have certainly got
to get my bills.
MR. SPROUL: Then that is the time to start, when
you want to get that money in.

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H.M.JR: I want to try to keep an eight or ten
billion dollar balance. Non, I will be getting down

to five or six.

MR. HELL: It will be down to five if you eliminate
the bills for April and May. But I think we are going to
be squeezed in the fall. We will really have to go to
the banks directly.

MR. SPROUL: We say we will take a look at it after
the drive, how much you have for non-bank investors.

MR. ECCLES: I think the first of October is the

time when you should go directly, but if you accepted
our recommendation on bills, you would be raising it in
July, August, and September. You would be stepping up

the bills during that period.

MR. BELL: If you accepted our recommendation, you
would be doing the same thing.
MR. ECCLES: Except to step them up enough to offset

the direct offering of the banks.

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March 29. 1944
BY EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF FEDERAL OPEN MARKET
COMMITTEE TO SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

Before making specific recommendations on the points mentioned

by Under Secretary Bell in his letter of March 27, we should like to state
certain general principles that are fundamental to our recommendations.

The main objectives of Treasury financing policy and of credit
administration, of course, are still the borrowing of the maximum possible
amount from nonbank investors while maintaining an interest rate structure
with a maximum market borrowing rate of 2 1/2 per cent. There is no question of our ability to maintain the maximum borrowing rate of 2 1/2 per
cent, but we are still measurably short of the goal of maximum borrowing
from nonbank investors.

It seems to us that the Treasury's current estimates of sales to
nonbank investors are too conservative in view of both the performance of

the Treasury sales organization during the past two years and the amount of
funds that are shown to be available by all estimates of current savings.
The net absorption of Government securities by nonbank investors, exclusive
of Federal agencies and trust funds, is forecast by the Treasury as 33.3

billion dollars for the calendar year 1944. Since 1944 will include three
drives and will begin and end with a drive, it seems likely that a larger
amount of funds should be raised than in previous annual periods. In the
year ending October 1943, which included three drives, nonbank investors
absorbed 34.7 billion dollars of Government securities, and in the year
ending February 1944, which also included three drives, nonbank investors

absorbed about 36.4 billion. It should be possible in 1944, therefore,
for the Treasury to sell 36 billion dollars net to nonbank investors, and

with continued improvement in the sales program this amount could be further

increased. It is recognized that the figures given above include sales in
the first and second drives, when some idle funds that are no longer available were reached. On the other hand, the organization of the drives has
improved, and there has been considerable repayment of private debt, which
is releasing funds and increasing the number of potential investors. The
reduced rate of increase in national income this year should mean that nonbank investors will have less need to accumulate bank balances than in the
past.

For those reasons, we believe that Treasury estimates of sales to
nonbank investors in 194. are unduly low. Regardless of the amounts that may
be taken by nonbank investors, however, it is our opinion that sales to banks
should be considered as residual financing, to which the Treasury should have

recourse only as a matter of last resort. There is no question of the ability
and the willingness of the Reserve System to provide the reserve funds needed
to assure the success of this residual financing whenever necessary. We believe, however, that direct bank financing should not be countenanced until
even more vigorous efforts have been made to sell an increased amount of
securities to nonbank investors and until the Treasury is in need of funds to

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March 29, 1944

maintain its working balance at the minimum level that it considere advisable.
In view of the figures submitted in the tabulation accompanying Under

Secretary Bell's letter, it does not appear that the letter condition oun

arise until after the fifth dirro and there is, therefore, time further to
test present estimates of nonbank buying.

In our opinion, the situation calls for
(a) enlargement and strengthening of the sales organization,

(b) changes in selling methods and security terms that will
widen the nonbank market, and

(c) increase in the bill rate. In selling securities to com-

mercial banks further emphasis should be placed on bills
rather than certificates and longer-term securities.
Additional bills can be sold to banks, however, only if
there is some increase in the rate. As wo have indicated
before, we feel that the present rate on Treasury bills

is out of line with the remainder of the pattern of
rates and that an increase is justified in order to
reestablish bills as a market instrument.

With this background in mind, we should like to make the following
recommendations on the points mentioned by Under Secretary Bell:

1. The goal for the fifth drive has been set at 16 billion dollars,

and no comment is required.

2. For the reasons outlined above, we believe the Treasury should

do no direct bank financing, at least until after the fifth drive. Therefore,

we recommend that there be no offering of certificates for cash in connection
with the May 1 refunding. Decision as to a cash offering in connection with

the August 1 refunding should be deferred until after the fifth drive.

3. In our opinion and for the reasons outlined above, the rate on
Treasury bills should be increased to 1/2 of one per cent and the maturity
extended to four months. By this means, not only would a more tonable market
rate be established but the outstanding amount of bills could be increased
by 4 billion dollars as funds are needed without increasing the present

weekly offering of bills.

4. We recommend that the basket in the fifth drive be the same as

in the fourth drive except for the substitution of 2 per cent fully marketable
bonds for 2 1/4 per cent bonds of restricted marketability. No can see no

point in placing restrictions on the eligibility of 2 per cent bonds for

bank purchase. In order that those bonds may not become a vehicle for renewed
speculative purchases, however, we recommend that the Treasury forcefully
renew its stand on speculative subscriptions, loans by banks to finance such
subscriptions, and on subscriptions by dealers. The Treasury may wish also

to consider the inclusion of 1 1/2 pur cent notes in the drive as an

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March 29. 1944
funds from

additional means of obtaining/nonbank investors who are not interested in
the rate on certificates or in the form of Series C notes and who do not
wish to invest in longer-term securities.

5. Our opinion would be that the drive should begin on May 23
or 29 and should cover a period of three weeks, but on this point we believe that the recommendations of the sales organization should be decisive.
6. We recommend that nonbank investors be permitted to purchase

securities in the drive on a partial-payment plan. Such purchases by in-

surance companies, savings banks, and pension funds, which will be in
relatively large amounts, could be handled by the Treasury. Such purchases
by other investors (minimum $500) could be handled by commercial banks on
the basis that the maximum rate charged would not exceed the rate on the
securities.
We also recommend that the lowest denomination on marketable bonds

placed at $100 in order to meet the needs of small investors who for one
reason or another do not wish to place all of their funds in savings bonds.

be

As a corollary to this recommendation and in view of the manpower and paper
shortage, we recommend that the lowest denomination on Series G bonds be increased to $500 and on Series E bonds to $50.

7. We recommend that each commercial bank be permitted to increase

its holdings of otherwise ineligible bonds to the smaller of the following
amounts: (1) $400,000 or (2) 20 per cent of its total of savings deposits and

time certificates of deposit of individuals. The inclusion of individual

certificates of deposit is recommended because in some areas of the country it
is customary to 469 this type of instrument instead of savings pass books.
The $100,000 limit on holdings of Series F and G savings bonds would, OF
course, continue.

-

Attached to . list of prociled -

given to the Secretary by Mr. Hase -

3/29/16.

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List of Issues Charted
Securities Outstanding at Beginning of Year:
(1) 2-1/2% Bond, September 15. 1967-72
(sold before Pearl Harbor)
(2) 2% Bond, September 15. 1951-53
(sold during Third War Loan)

(3) 7/8% Certificate, December 1, 1944
(issued December 1, 1943)

Securities Sold during Fourth War Loan:
(4) 2-1/2% Bond, March 15, 1965-70
(5) 2-1/4% Bond, September 15, 1956-59

(6) 7/8% Certificate, February 1, 1945
Security Issued in Refunding Operation this Month:
(7) 1-1/2% Note. September 15, 1948

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Mr. Luxford.

March 29. 1944

Secretary Morgenthau.

Please read the story on the first page of the New
York Times about General Perlinger's statement. See if
you can get something out of the State Department on it

and be sure to talk to me about it before lunch today.

File

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March 29, 1944

MEMORANDED FOR THE SECRETARY'S FILES

Secretary Morgenthau discussed the Argentine situation
at lunch today with Vice President Wallace, War Food Administrator Jones and me.
The Secretary introduced the subject by informing Judge

Jones of our keen interest in the Argentine situation and
that he had invited Vice President Wallace to join up since
he shared our interest. He said that today's story in the

New York Times about Argentina underscored the urgency for

prompt action and suggested that I review the article. I

outlined the attack made on the U. S. and Ambassador Armour

by General Perlinger, Argentine Minister of Interior; the
fact that twenty-one of Argentina's thirty-three generals

recently requested President Farrell and Colonel Peron to
restore constitutional government and return Army officers

to their barracks; and the announced lifting of Argentine
press restrictions at the same time replacing these restrictions with a registration requirement for all newspaper men.

A copy of the article is attached. I said that I had discussed this article with Messrs. Duggan and Bonsal of the
State Department who confirmed its accuracy and that they

agreed that General Perlinger, who is now a real rival to
Colonel Peron for power, is even worse than Peron - if that
is possible. I also referred to the acknowledged Fascist
stripe of the present Argentine Government; the fact that
Argentina was rapidly forging an anti-United States bloc in
South America which already involved Bolivia, Chile and

Paraguay and threatened to envelop Uruguay, Peru and Ecuador.

Vice President Wallace interjected at this point that he was
much more pessimistic; he felt that all of Latin America was
going to turn Fascist unless we uprooted it promptly in
Argentina.

Judge Jones said he could see where Argentina was troublesome but as War Food Administrator he could not ignore the

contribution we were getting from Argentina in the form of food.

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Secretary Morganthau pointed out that Argentina's food
contribution to the United Nations was puny in terms of the
benefits Argentina was conferring upon the enemy. He told
Vice President Wallace that he had obtained General Marshall's

permission to reveal to him the contents of certain reports

that the Army had made available to him regarding Argentina
and suggested that I summarize the data. I then reviewed

these reports, covering substantially the points outlined

in the proposed memorandum for the President which was furnished to the Secretary on March 28 (copy attached).
Judge Jones appeared to be shaken by these disclosures.
Secretary Morgenthau emphasized the fact that Germany's

collapse would very likely find Hitler, Franco and their
fellow war criminals streaming into Fascist Argentina to
escape Allied justice. Vice President Wallace felt that this
was almost a certainty. He expressed the opinion, based on
certain secret information, that we might all be astonished
at the speed with which we would be confronted by a real

military threat in Latin America if the Axis leaders moved in.
Judge Jones said that these arguments should be addressed
to the State Department and not to him since obviously these

were political considerations and outside his field. Secretary

Morgenthau promptly challenged this view pointing out that
the State Department was hiding behind the excuse that the
Combined Food Board said it was impossible to take action
against Argentina because Argentine food was absolutely essential

to the war effort. This, said the Secretary, meant that

Judge Jones and the Combined Food Board were preventing the

issue of economic sanctions against Argentina from ever being

thrashed out on the political level. The Secretary went on to
remind Judge Jones that it was his impression that at a previous conference the Judge had intimated that we could get
along without Argentine food if we were willing to make the
sacrifice here at home and it was really necessary. Vice
President Wallace reminded Judge Jones that after all we were
only discussing, at a maximum, a ten percent reduction in our
domestic meat rations to provide substitute meat for the

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British and that this would not harm the American diet in
the slightest.
The Judge did not deny any of these points but labored
over the grain shortage here in the United States; how we had
an excess of cattle and hogs over available feed supplies,
and how he might be able to use the threat of importing
Argentine
corn to force the farmers to begin marketing their
animals.
Vice President Wallace told the Judge that he wanted
to discuss some straight agricultural and food economics at

this point. He said that the Judge knew as well as he did
that right now we had altogether too much meat 'on the hoof";
that if we had a bad break on the weather this year, affecting our crops, we could not possibly feed all this livestock;
that the only real way to get the farmer to sell this excess
meat was by making the price of feed too dear to hold it;
and that imposing economic sanctions on Argentina now would

give the War Food Administration a beautiful opportunity to
bring our meat supply down to manageable proportions - it was
a blessing in disguise.
The Judge was mentally squirming by this time and
addressed himself to the timing of economic sanctions right
at the time everyone knew we were getting ready for big military

operations. Secretary Morgenthau stated that it occurred to him
that perhaps the military demands for shipping might be so
great this Spring that the military would be glad to temporarily
suspend Allied shipping with Argentina in order to gain extra
bottoms for military operations. He indicated that he might
check into this aspect of the matter.
Judge Jones said that he thought all along that State

should have cracked down on Argentina when things just began
to go bad and when we could have cleaned up the situation

fairly simply; but why did we have to strike right at this

moment - why not wait until we could do it with fewer complications.

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Secretary Morgenthau said that he had been pressing

State for a year and a half on this point and that he did

not think it could stand much more "waiting". Judge Jones
turned to Vice President Wallace and said Henry, do you

really think we have to do it right now too? The Vice

President said that it should be done now. The Judge said

he wished it had been done before when it would have been

easy. I reminded him of how it had been this fear of temporary
inconvenience that had prompted the world to sit by and allow
Japan to move into China; Italy into Ethiopia; Hitler into
Austria - and Munich. I stressed that at each point there

were those farsighted statesmen who said that we should clear
up the dirty mess now but that each time the world found it
somewhat inconvenient and hence World War II. I drew the

analogy to Judge Jones' position on Argentina - that of waiting
while every day that passes witnesses a further consolidation
of the Fascist forces in Argentina and their steady spread to
Argentina's neighbors.

Secretary Morgenthau said that he was shocked to see

us caviling over pulling in our protruding belt one little

notch, being squeamish about imposing the slightest discomfort

on our people for the sake of preserving our way of living,
and at the same time our Russian ally had 25,000,000 men

fighting Hitler and the British people too had demonstrated
their willingness to make real sacrifices. The Vice President
underlined these same sentiments, pointing out how little
sacrifice we on the home front had been called upon to make

and, in fact, how most of us were actually doing better during
the war than we had before.

Judge Jones then expressed his concern that the British
might not join in the imposing of economic sanctions and

that if they did not join us, we were powerless. The Secretary
stated that he had been insisting that joint measures be taken

but that if the British would not go along he, for one, still
thought we should impose sanctions. The Judge inquired as

to how this could possibly be effective against Argentina if
the British continued to buy. The Secretary said that if the
President gave him the job of seeing this thing through he
would see to it that the British stopped shipping food from
Argentina even if he had to blockade Argentine ports.

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-5At this point the Judge gasped and turning to the
Vice President said "Henry, would you go along on that too?"
The Vice President agreed with Secretary Morgenthau's position

without batting an eye. I pointed out to the Judge that in

any event we were not called upon to cross this bridge at this
time since the letter State had sent to the Combined Food

Board on March 10, 1944 had requested the Board's views,

assuming that joint U.S.-U.K. sanctions were imposed. I also
emphasized that it was one thing for the Board to reply, "You
will make our task more difficult by imposing sanctions, but,

if this is politically necessary, we will get along - one way or
another"; it was an altogether different thing for the Board
to repeat its opinion of last January that it was impossible
to get along without Argentine food supplies, since this latter
position left no room for evaluating political considerations.
Judge Jones said that he did not feel that he could

make any commitments right then and there and that he wanted

an opportunity to go over the matter with his associates before
expressing a final view.

The atmosphere at the luncheon was most cordial and I
had the impression that Judge Jones was sincerely interested

in getting our side of the picture, which was new to him.
GOL

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The New York Times.
MAR 29 1944
jority of Argentines. He soda rerealed himself. however, as one of
the most ardent nationalists and
as the main spokesman for nation
allam in the Argentine Cabinet. It
was he who formulated the recent
measures against United States

OFFICIAL
ANGER AT U. S.

companies such as The Associated

Press, The United Press, AllAmerica Cables and Pan American

Cites Non-Recognition to Back

Airways. These measures were
taken by the Director General of
Posts and Telegraphs, who is directly responsible to the Minister
of the Interior.
At the moment, General Part-

Isolation-Minister Foresees
Allies Turning on Russia

inger's star appears in the Ascend-

By Wireless to THE New Year TIMES

MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay, March

ant since the Ministry of the Interior has been growing in imper-

months ago, Gen. Luis C. Partinger,

charge of the Federal police and
the Under-Secretariate of Infor-

Argentina Minister of the Interior,
predicted that all the present betligerents would soon unite to fight

taken over cansorship of foreign
films, which was formerly done by
the Municipality of Buenoa Aires

his first statement to the
press since he took office five

tance. It recently was put in

mation and the Press and has

Russia because the middle is the United States and Great

miro Farrell and Col. Juan Peron,

/ of Wat, to restore consti-

tutional government and return

army officers now serving in Federal jobs to their barracks.

Diario, quoting unidentified

sources, said General Farrell and
Colonal Perón had told the genlerals they fully agreed and that an
answer would be given within a
few days.

PRESS RESTRAINT LIFTED

Argentina Rescinda Decree CurbIng Freedom of Expression
By ARNALDO CORTESI
By Dable to Yes - York Terms

BUENOB AIRLS, March 28The Argentine Government today
rescinded a decree Nated Dec. 81.

1943, which placed many restrictions upon the local and foreign
press.

That decree was replaced by a
"Journalists statute," which was
published today and regulates

There has been far greater severity

in censoring United States films

since this task has been performed

Britain are so alarmed

by the Ministry of the Interior.
A Rival of Perón
General Perlinger is believed to
be a political and personal rival of

viet military - that Mey

are almost more anti-Hussian than
anti-German.

To this most amasing statement
General Perlinger added that the
war was not being fought for freedom and that whoever won would
rule the world and, of course, try
to dominate Argentina. From this
he deduced that Argentina must
remain completely aloot from the

the War Minister Col. Juan D.

regulations between newspapermen

and their employers but does not
enter into such political questions
as what newspapers may or may

Perón, and observers predict that
a showdown between them cannot
long be deferred A reorganisation

not say.

The new statute and the decree
of Dec. 31, are similar in only one

of the Cabinet is expected and respect: That both require all

conflet

The Interior Minister made ft
clear that all his previous remarks

were aimed principally at the
United States, for he urged all Ar-

gentines to look with anger at
United States Ambassador Norman

Armour. General Perlinger said
he always so because Mr. Armour is Ambasandor "of a country

that refuses to maintain relations
with us. who are the masters of

our home." He did not mention
Mr. Armour by name, although he
made it obvious whom he was re
ferring to
Made to Guide Press

probably the best way of judging newspapernien to register. failing
whether the Perlinger followers or
which, they will not be allowed to
the Perón clique triumphs will be
whether General Perlinger-keepe exercise
profession.
Thetheir
earlier
decree. however, emhis post in the Government
powered the Government to remove
Argentine newspaper men who
any journalist's name from a regisheard General Perlinger's remarks
for such vaguely defined ofdescribed the interview as follows: ter
fenses
as "activities contrary to
"Pellinger. who spoke with en- the general
interest of the nation
ergy and severity, referred to the The Journalists
Statute states exArgentine International situation. plicitly that no name may be
He affirmed that he was neither a
struck from the register for "reaNazi no ra Fascist but an Argen- sons connected with the freedom
time and said he was against all of the press or with journalists
those foreigners who had the preof thought."
sumption to say that Argentina freedom
It would appear. therefore, that
did not know where she was going
within certain limits freedom of
We do know.' he said."
expression had been re-established
General Perlinger was further
The Journalists Statute estab.
quoted as saying:
"We know that this was is not lishes a thirty-six-hour working
week with regular weekly and
- fought for liberty but for yearly
rest periods. It sets down
other things which we must later minimum
for each class of
be prepared to accept. It is not newspaperwages
employes
with the propossible. therefore. that we should
vision that the minimums will
continue smiling at the Ambassa

This outburst. which must be re
dor of . certain country that re- automatically be increased by 5
garded as one of the most extraor- fuses tomasters
maintain
relations with cent every
years All
directorial
posts
holding three
of our house
must be
dinary ever allowed himself by
That not possible and I myself
or naturalized Argentines
responsible Minister of any
the first to look with an angry
for
made
foreign
exception
and
try was made last night Argen
that
face
the
for
held
is

time

journalista

It

for but only to

thinking
Government
Minister

of

the

should

do

posts

the

as

thing

for

Protest By Generals Reported
of

the
the

MONTEVIDEO March 28 The

that

Newspaper Diazio sale today
twenty-one

of

generale
General

locally

as

Editi

printed

foreign languages
Argentine

for

for-

publi-

Argentina

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COPY

SECRET

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT

On December 30, 1943 General Strong furnished me with

a report on Argentina prepared by Military Intelligence. The
following points in this memorandum are significant:
1. Unless steps are taken quickly to insulate Argentina
and to counter her activities in neighboring countries,
Argentina will be able to create a bloc favorable to her and
antagonistic to the United States, consisting of all or some of
the following countries: Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Chile, and
Peru. (State Department officials share this fear and the
present situation in Bolivia, Chile and Paraguay suggests that
a bloc of this character is not a mere figment of the imagination).

2. There is strong evidence indicating that the Nazis
at least partially control the present Argentine Government.
By means of loans, bribes, and financial transactions, the Nazis
have a hold on certain members of the G.O.U. (Colonel's clique).
It is believed that in order to avoid exposure and remain in
power, they follow Nazi orders.

3. Argentina allows pro-Axis propaganda to flow into

this hemisphere and Argentina is the headquarters for such

activities; at the same time Argentina subdues pro-Allied
vehicles of propaganda. The report states:
"This propaganda has been very effective in that

it has kept several countries internally divided and

has lessened their assistance to the United Nations."

4. Argentina is rendering positive economic aid to the

German war effort by:

(a) serving as a base of operations where

smugglers engaged in clandestine pur chases of diamonds,

platinum and materials vitally needed by the Nazis may

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-2concentrate purchases made throughout Latin America
and ship them to Spain and then to Germany.

(b) The two largest government-controlled
Argentine banks are openly aiding the Axis.

(c) Fritz Mandl, former Austrian munitions
manufacturer, is now in Argentina actively engaged in
founding an Argentine munitions industry. He was able

to remove $12,000,000 from Germany with the consent of

the German Government.

(a) Argentine ports serve as depots from which
Spanish and other neutral ships carry war materials and
couriers engaged in espionage activities to Axis Europe.
at sea.

5. Indications exist of possible aid to Axis submarines

6. The extent to which Brazil will provide expeditionary
forces for overseas duty is limited by her need for having

adequate defenses against Argentina and an Argentine bloc.

7. Argentina is a tool being used by the Nazis to create
a diversion in Latin Ameri which will cause the United States
to divert its concentration from the main war effort.
8. Argentina is being used as a cache for the loot of

leading Nazis and will be the haven for their persons when they
lose the war and have to leave Europe.
In a report transmitted to me on March 16, 1944, by
General Marshall, it is stated that the Argentine Government is
cooperating with the Spanish Falange in Argentina and that the
activities of the Argentine Government in the other American
Republics duplicates and reinforces the Falangist movement in
attempting to create anti-United States sentiment and an antiUnited States bloc.

Treasury investigations in the Foreign Funds field clearlr
establish that every important German cartel has branches in

Argentina and that these branches are presently being used by

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the Nazis to finance and otherwise facilitate enemy operations
in this hemisphere. Moreover there are strong reasons for
assuming that these branches will serve as a nucleus for

German post-war cartel arrangements in this hemisphere.

I call these matters to your attention not only because
they illustrate how our whole Good Neighbor policy and doctrine
of hemispheric solidarity are crumbling before the pressure of
a Fascist Argentina but, of more immediate importance, because

they offer tangible proof of how Argentina is prolonging the
war. I am fully conscious of the objections which have been
raised to date by the Combined Boards to the proposal that the
United States and United Kingdom jointly impose complete
economic sanctions against Argentina and I can fully understand

their desire to avoid further complications in their respective
fields. Neither am I unmindful of the fact that probably an
undisclosed factor in British reluctance to participate in any
such program stems from their fear that it might affect
adversely British investments in Argentina and might prejudice

British post-war trade. The extent, if any, to which these considerations may be influencing the British attitude on the Combined
Boards is, of course, an enigma.

On the other hand, it is not as clear to me that the

Combined Boards have been acquainted with the extent to which

Argentina is harming our war effort. If this were explained
to them; if it were made clear that we in the United States
are prepared to accept some civilian sacrifices in bringing

Argentina to terms; and if it were emphasized that once she
is brought to terms we could again count on Argentina supplies
and stockpiles, I am hopeful that we would obtain a more
favorable report.

AFL:nrd - 3/28/44
copied 3/30/44

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March 29, 1944
2:42 p.m.
Go ahead.
Randolph
Paul:

This is Randolph.

HMJr:

Yes.

P:

I wanted to report to you that I talked with

our friend in New York.

HMJr:

Yes.

P:

He thinks that that -- his client doesn't own

any stock in that company but he's not sure;
that there may be some possible pressures that
he can put on him.

HMJr:
P:

Yeah.

And he's trying to get him and he's going to
call me back, but so far he hasn't called me
back. I talked to him, oh, within ten minutes
after I talked with you.

HMJr:

Good.

P:

As soon as I hear from him I'll let you know.

HMJr:

Well, in the meantime, McBain sent us a telegram

asking us to get reservations for him to be here
Friday.

P:

Yeah. Well of course, I was very frank with him
and maybe it's gotten back to McBain. I don't know.
But anyway, I'll let you know. I've done everything
I can until I hear from Weiss, but so much time has
gone by, I thought I'd better let you know.
I

HMJr:

I thank you.

All right.

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March 29, 1944
3:10 p.m.

CANADA AND CHINA

Present: Mr. White

H.M.JR: The President sent me a copy of the cable
It went on the 24th.

which he sent to Mr. Churchill and it is as we wrote it.
MR. WHITE: No comment on his?

H.M.JR: I don't know whether that was in it or not.
I have it right here. (Refers to attached suggested reply
to Prime Minister Churchill from the President)
I am scared to death. I don't know what to do with
these things.

MR. WHITE: It sounds identical.
H.M.JR: What day was the 24th? That was last

Friday. It went the day I sent it.

MR. WHITE: Are you going to let State Department
know that went, or will they know anyhow?

H.M.JR: No, but I very much would like to have
Stettinius know it.
MR. WHITE: Stettinius?
H.M.JH: Yes, he ought to know.
MR. WHITE: He is in England? He has gone?

H.N.JR: He has not. There is something funny

about the whole business.

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-2 I would let Mr. Hull know and say to please advise
Mr. Stettinius and see that he gets . copy.
MR. WHITE: Why don't I call Hull's secretary?

H.M. JR: Yes. And I think a copy should go to
Winant, somehow. The thing I am interested in, I
want Winant to know that those things center here
from now on.

MR. WHITE: Why don't we just send a cable to him?

H.M.JR: Yes, but I would like Winant and Stettinius
to know. Will you take care of that?
MR. WHITE: Yes, but you want the cable to Winant
to go from you?

H.M.JR: I don't care how it is done.
Now, I asked to see the President, and I have only
got another twelve hours, or so. When I go I want to
give an answer to Madame Chiang.

MR. WHITE: Now, this is what we have here, a
suggested answer to Madame Chiang; there is a memorandum
to you, and a suggested memorandum from you to the

President. The memorandum to the President is a little

long, and its length is justified only by the importance
of the matter. (Shows drafts to the Secretary)
he just got a cable five minutes ago which may
call for a change.

H.M.JR: Before I do this, is there a must on your
list today? They said something about Canada.
MR. WHITE: Yes, Canada is all wound up and all
ready for signatures.

H.M.Jk Let's hold the other, then.

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-3MR. WHITE: Canada first?

H.M.JR: Whatever is important.

MR. WHITE: I think Canada is a must, and I think
also, from what you said, that there is a must on the
question of the Ontario Conference.
H.M. JR: I have a man coming in at three-thirty
which will take fifteen minutes. You can leave everything here and come back again.

MR. WHITE: The Canadian thing is all wound up - all
the documents. I want to show you first a document
of the schedule which Clark initialed, and he insisted

on my initialing it, and we sent it back. You can keep

that aside for a moment. (Refers to Schedule covering

agreed program referred to in letter from Hon. J.L. Ilsley,

Canadian Minister of Finance, to Hon. Henry L. Morgenthau,
Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, dated March 24, 1944, attached)

H.M.JR: Do I want Vincenthere when I talk about
China - from the State Department?

MR. WHITE: I think you better make that decision

after - I just talked with Vincent.

Now, here is the letter to Hull giving him the

whole story and keeping him informed. (Hands the Secretary

cover letter to Secretary of State, enclosing correspondence with Mr. Ilsley, Canadian Minister of Finance)

H.M.JR: Now what did you do about that question of
the end of the road of Canada - I mean its terminal?
How was that settled?

MR. WHITE: Well, they took the part of that, and
the nine million dollars on the highway; it is all lumped
in. we also found seven million more dollars. The airports were going to cost seven million more dollars
than they had informed us, so rather than put the question

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in quite that form, I thought they would hit the roof;
so I got in touch with Clark and I asked him - would

the Canadian Government rather pay seven million dollars

or would they rather take over the contract. You see,

neither had been mentioned. And, of course, they came
back saying they couldn't possibly pay seven million

more after they had taken this matter up, so they will

take over the contract. Our Army preferred to fill the

contract themselves. They didn't like the Canadians to
do it.

But the position I took was that that is going to
cost us seven million dollars whether they like it or

dislike it. We would rather have Canada do it.

H.M.JR: I think when you go out of here at threethirty, we ought to send the same thing to the President
that we send to Mr. Hull.
MR. WHITE: This is what I have for the President.
(Hands the Secretary Memorandum to the President on

Canadian and U.S. Dollar Balances, which the Secretary

initials)

H.M. JR: I really ought to do this oftener, working this way, then the girls know what it is all about.
MR. WHITE: Now, here are four letters, one to the
Secretary of War, one to the Secretary of Navy, one to
Mr. Crowley, and one to Mr. Jones, telling each what
they must do, what we have agreed upon with respect
to Canadian contracts. (The Secretary signs the abovementioned letters)

H.M. JR: Those things that you gave me the other day for instance, the rules to go by when they invade these
various countries - did you draw those up?

MR. WHITE: Not the first one, we did the other three.
H.M.JR: Who does that work?

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MR. WHITE: Several of us - the lawyers - Taylor.
They had an original there at the C.A.C. which is very

different; we rewrote it. That is the Civil Affairs
Committee. But even the draft they made was based on
one of our earlier drafts of the earlier countries.
H.M.JR: I was going to compliment you on it.

MR. WHITE: It is a gradual process, because each

country makes the next one easier. But the first

paper was written by President Number One, and he didn't

even permit it to be jointly written, which is usually
done, and he is sending it to Churchill, asking for
their approval. It was done deliberately that way.
H.M.JR: Any more on Canada?

MR. WHITE: That is all on Canada. Now we have

nothing furter.
H.M.JR: Let's do China.

MR. WHITE: I just got a cable. This has a new

proposal. I can explain it quickly.
H.M.JR: Who is this from?

MR. WHITE: This is from Stillwell to Somervell.
(Refers to attached paraphrase of message No. CFB
15326, 27 March 1944, Corrected Copy, to General

Somervell from General Stillwell)
H.M.JR: What is CN?

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MR. WHITE: That is Chinese dollars, yuan, I sup-

pose. May I see it? Chinese dollars. I think there
should be a dollar sign with a "C" before it.
H.M.JR: You will have to explain this.
MR. WHITE: I will see that you get a copy.

The proposal which is being made is that the Chinese
Government give them Chinese currency and that the Army
merely advance them U.S. money as an advance. The rate
at which the money will be advanced, they say, is anywhere from one hundred and twenty-five to two hundred.
We have been asking for a hundred rate, but the

advance will take one hundred and twenty-five to two

hundred, they think. But the question will not be
settled; that will be money which we put at their disposal. Sometime after the war there will be a question
as to whether that settles it, or whether China is
entitled to more money.

It will also make possible that probably China will
use it, saying that she is extending aid to America in
her war effort; and how much aid she will figure it,
will probably bear no relation to the advance.
Now, I think that puts us in a good position, because I think we are in a better bargaining position
later than we are now.

H.M.JR: How much does that mean we would advance
every three months?

MR. WHITE: If they use five billion, and let's

say they take the hundred-to-one rate, it would only

be fifty million.

H.M.JR: One hundred and fifty million for three

months?

MR. WHITE: One hundred and fifty for three months,
yes.

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carry the fifty million a month in my mind.
MR. WHITE: If they get a better rate, it will be
less than that. I don't understand Chiang Kai-shek
accepting that. If he wasn't too dumb he knew they
would accept a fifty rate.

H.M.JR: In the light of that, do you think the

President should answer Madame Chiang?

MR. WHITE: Maybe slightly different. This doesn't
in any way settle the question. It settles the imme-

diate need for currency for the air fields, and I think
if you will read the memorandum from you to the Presi-

dent - I could see why the matter is really important.

We are cooking up quite a program - a real important
program.

H.M.JR: I don't think there is a chance of my
going. Oh, Harry, My God! The President will never
read it. (Refers to original draft of Memorandum to
the President, attached)

MR. WHITE: You can't get on top of that Chinese

situation without reading it. We can boil it down, maybe,

another page or so.

H.M.JR: He will never read this.
MR. WHITE: How much do you think he would read?

H.M.JR: He won't read more than two pages.

MR. WHITE: We will try. You see, there is a
rather serious point there.
H.MJR: Talk at me for a few minutes. What is
there in there? I know the President. He never in the

world would read that.

MR. WHITE: The memorandum to you is much shorter.

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MR. WHITE: Yes. (Secretary reads Memorandum from

Mr. White, dated March 27, 1944, attached)

That was written before we got this cable. The

important thing to stress to the President, I think -

that you have to do - is that the program which the

Army has will unquestionably aggravate an already bad

situation, and that he should be cognizant of what to

expect, and he should also be prepared for the charges
that the Chinese Government unquestionably will make,

that we have caused the serious deterioration in their

economy.

Now, I think he has to know that, because I don't
think the Army has explained it to him, and I think
that you have to have that for your protection - that

he has got to know.

H.M.JR: Do you do that in this letter?
MR. WHITE: To Madame Chiang Kai-shek?

H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. WHITE: I don't see how we can.

H.M.JR: Can you say, "I hear from General Stillwell
we are making progress"?

MR. WHITE: Well, we do say we are making progress.
Maybe that is enough.

H.M.JR: Oh, yes. Well, Harry, you have got to

take me some place, up on the farm or some place, where

I have a couple of hours to thrash this thing out, because I am not ready yet to say I am willing to go to

China.

MR. WHITE: If you don't feel that the letter needs

to be answered, and maybe it doesn't, then just wait.
Negotiations are going on.

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any reference to a mission?

MR. WHITE: Oh, sure, sure. We can give him just
a little more than a letter of acknowledgement, easily.
We could easily say, "I understand from General Stillwell
that progress is being made in the discussions.

"I appreciate that an adjustment of that will not
meet the larger problem, but we will take care of that
later, or discuss that later," or something like that.

H.M.JR: I think so, because I tell you, I know I

have had a rule, which is a pretty good one, and that is

that when it comes to doing business, Governmental business, I never want to get more than a hundred yards away
from the white House.

All these other trips that I have taken I was never
on a mission. I mean, I want to let that sink in.
MR. WHITE: Except this is a bigger job than I

think anybody has ever attempted.

H.M.JR: I have never gone on a foreign mission.
I mean, I have gone abroad, but I went to get informa-

tion.

MR. WHITE: Well, I would need some time to talk
to you about what needs to be done and what might be

done.

H.M.JR: All right. And when you do this thing during the last ten years you look over the record of

anybody who has gone abroad for the President and had
a lasting success. You give me one example.

MR. WHITE: Well, obviously, I don't think you

should go abroad, and I know you won't unless you had
something--

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H.M.JR: No, but you give me an example of somebody

that the President sent abroad. You could say that Hull

went to Moscow-

MR. WHITE: Well, it isn't comparable.
H.M.JR: Wait a minute. He went to Moscow and now

look what they are doing to him.
Well, I want you to think about it - have somebody
who could go, accomplish something and have it stick.

MR. WRITE: I will. This is a big job. I don't

think it should be approached unless you have a program
in your mind to do the job, and money in your pocket.

H.M.JR: What I have in mind is this, possibly I am tired again. I am not going to let myself get down.
I am planning to leave Friday. After I have had a day
or two in the country, and if I can still stay, I may
let you know. You may want to take in a couple of shows

in New York and spend one day in the country with me.
You like to go to New York and take in, a couple of shows.

MR. WHITE: All right.
H.M. JR: And then come up there, maybe, and we can

walk around the place and talk this thing out.

MR. WHITE: That can easily wait for that.
Now, do you think you still need an answer to the

letter? That can very easily be drafted, just an answer
to the letter, which would satisfy requirements of an

answer to the letter, and dodge the issues for the time

being. It can easily be prepared if you feel that one
has to be prepared. If it doesn't, you can drop the
whole matter and leave the answer to that as an excuse
to raise the issue later.

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H.M.JR: No, I think the President should give an
answer dodging it. I would like you to get somebody
started on that, on the theory I am going to see him
in the next twenty-four hours, you see.
MR. WHITE: Vincent told me that they seemed to

feel certain that a letter has gone to the President

from the Generalissimo or Madame - an important letter
on the political developments. Do you know anything
about it?
H.M.JR: No.

MR. WHITE: He didn't, either. He was just fishing
for information.
H.M.JR: My dear Harry, I always tell you these
things.

Now, if I can see Mr. Palmer - and after I have
seen him - it will be about fifteen minutes. You leave
your papers here.

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MEMORANDUM TO THE PRESIDENT

In pursuance of your memorandum of March 10

to the Secretary of State and Secretary of Treasury,
there is attached a suggested cable to be sent to

the Prime Minister in reply to his cables 613 and
614 of March 9.

This suggested reply has been approved by

Secretary Hull and Mr. Crowley.

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To:

Prime Minister Churchill

From:

The President

1. Thank you for your reply contained in your cables
613 and 614 of March 9. The points you raised have already
been brought to my attention several times by Secretary
Morgenthau and Secretary Hull.

I am sorry if my message caused you anxiety. There is
no dispute as to the understanding on the handling of questionable items under Lend-Lease which was reached between

Mr. Crowley, Secretary Hull, Secretary Morgenthau and Lord

Halifex, and to which I had given my prior approval. As
Secretary Morgenthau stated at the meeting, this understanding

did not deal with the dollar position question and did not
preelude the possibility of our reopening that question in the
future should the situation seem to call for it.

I raised this dollar position question since it is a
troublesome one of continuing concern with us here and doubt-

less with you. I hope that we may be able together to find
some reasonable solution to this problem before it becomes
more tro blessme.

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-22. In any further discussion of these matters the
Treasury would be the normal center of such conversations.

The agenda which Stettinius has of topics to be discussed

in London does not include the question of British dollar
balances.

3. The question to which you refer in paragraph 2 of
614 may be withdrewn, although the Congressmen concerned and

the entire Foreign Affairs Committee are now alerted to the
issue. You will be advised as soon as a definite decision
is reached, and consulted fully before any information is
proferred.

SECRET

SCHEDULE COVERING AGREED PROGRAM REFERRED TO IN LETTER
FROM

HON. J. L. ILSLEY. CANADIAN MINISTER OF FINANCE,
TO

ON HENRY L. HORGENTHAU. SECRETARY OF THE U.S. TREASURY.
DATED MARCH 24 1944.
JURES WHICH WILL REDUCE CANADA'S HOLDINGS OF U.S. DOLLAR BALANCES.

1.

Estimated Amount

(Millions of Dollars)
Payment to F.E.A. for imports of war
supplies under Canex Requisitions

38.8

Payment to Metals Reserve Company to

recoup capital advances and price subsidies
certain marginal metal mining properties in
Canada under the terms of an agreement with
War Supplies Limited
made by that Company for development of

5.

3.2

Payment for costs incurred by U. S. Army in
connection with construction of permanent
improvements to following airfields in
Canada:

(a) Airfields on the Northwest Staging
Route, landing strips along the Canol

Pipe Line and other airfields, landing
strips and permanent air route
facilities constructed by U.S. in
Northwest Canada

(b) Airfields on the Crimson Route in
Central Northeast Canada

(c) Airfield at Mingan, Quebec
Payment for costs incurred by U.S. Army for
construction of that part of the telephone
line from Edmonton to Fairbanks which is
in Canadian territory
Reimbursement for progress payments made by

U.S. Navy for production of PB2B1 aircraft
Payment in U.S. dollars for U.S. tanks purchased
in the United Kingdom for use of the Canadian
Army in Europe

Further payment on account in respect of
imports under Canpay requisitions

33.3
30.0
4.2

9.3

22.0

140.0
20.0

500.8

2.

ES WHICH WILL REDUCE CANADA'S FUTURE RECEIPTS OF U.S. DOLLARS.

Estimated Amount

(Millions of Dollars)
Amendment of U.S. Navy contract for

PB2B1 aircraft so as to provide for
assumption by Canada of financial

responsibility to Boeing Aircraft
of Canada Limited

41.0

Assumption by Canada of expenditure

incurred on U.S. account for construction
of permanent improvements to airfields in
Canada and at Goose Bay, Labrador
(including newly projected $6 million

program and contracts not yet completed 1.4
on Northwest Staging Route)

42.1

Assumption by Canada of refining and

distribution costs of gasoline used to

meet British commitment in connection
with Air Training Plan in Canada

Elimination of Canadian participation in

contracts for purchase of New Caledoniah
nickel

15. (annu-

ally)

2.5 (annu-

ally)

Contracts between War or Havy Department and

War Supplies Limited terminated and/or
cancelled after December 1. 1945, or to be
terminated and/or cancelled. Undelivered
value as estimated by Canadian Department
of Munitions and Supply:
W8L

72-722 6 pdr. APC BC

W8L

72-450 fuel pumps

91.0

W8L 72-888 AS - 48 cable
W8L 72-659 link spares
WSL 72-157 propeller assemblies

WSL 72-377 link trainers
20 - discs
W8L
72-458

WSL 72-796 pump assemblies
wobble pumps
72-821
WSL
740
& 743 Range finders (other
WSL 72-240,
than U.S. type)
WSL

72-169

75 - shells H.E.

WSL 72-812 40 an rounds
WSL 72-391 powder propellant
.503 ammunition
WBL 72-216, 645, 217 & 265
WSL 72-284 Algerine minesweepers
WSL 72-204 & 205 (old and new contracts)

Cornell aircraft and spares

WBL

72-265

& 921 (old and now contracts)
Harvard aircraft and spares
191.6

whole

HOW

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March 29, 1944
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT

In reply to your memorandum of March 16th forwarding
letter of February 17th from Madame Chiang to yourself, I am

attaching hereto suggested reply for your consideration. The
principal reasons for the contents of the suggested reply are

given herewith.
1.

with regard to the matter of U. S. military expenditures

in China, Madame Chiang has really raised teo questions.
The first is whether China's economy can support as large
a program of airfield development as is now contemplated
and, secondly, the question of how many U. S. dollars
the United States shall pay to aequire the necessary

local currency to build these airfields.

2.

It is my own feeling that 1f a collapse of China's economy

takes place -- and it is not at all unlikely - it will

be due fundamentally to such basic causes as the growing

disintegration of the military and political power of

the Central Government, the isolation of China from the
outside world and the failure of the Central Government
to undertake necessary internal reforms. China today is
suffering from an acute shortage of goods, particularly
capital goods needed to maintain production and distribution; rapidly rising prices; large and constant
expension in note issue resulting from the use of the
printing press as the principal means of financing the
war; large scale hoarding of commodities; decline in
production, and disruption of the already erude means

of transportation. At present prices are rising even
more rapidly than ever. Prices trebled during last year
and in February, 1944, retail prices in the leading
cities of Free China were about 300 times their 1937
level, 1.6. an increase of nearly 30,000 percent!
It is because of this general situation that the airfield program, as now contemplated, will have serious
on this already advanced stage of inflation a program

economic repercussions, The Army plans to superimpose

involving the exenditure of CH84 to 5 billion per month,
concentrated in a few localities. At present expenditures of the Chungking Government in all areas total

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billion of the total is financed by note issue. Thus,

in order to finance our military program in China, 11
will be necessary for the Chinese Government nearly to
double note issue, thereby considerably increasing the
already great inflationary pressure. Therefore, the
continuation of large expenditures on the airfield
development program for more than a few months will, of
necessity, aggravate an already serious situation. It
is not impossible that the situation may be so aggravated
as to bring about a catastrophie runaway inflation. That
the U. S. Army has to pay out these tremendous sume on
the construction of a comparatively few airfields is in
itself an index of the advanced stage of economic deterioration which China has reached.

Furthermore, there is increasingly prevelant in Chungking
Government circles a noticeable tendency to lay the

responsibility for inflation on U. S. Army expenditures.
The principal reasons for this attitude are probably

that the Chinese officialdom wishes to strengthen the
bargaining position of China vis-a-vis the United States,
and to find a convenient alibi and scapegoat for a situation which the Chinese Government has handled badly.

3.

The possible economic consequences of the airfield
development program was discussed with General Somervell
in conference at my office on March 20. 1944 on China,
at which a State Department representative was also
present. I was informed by General Somervell that,
notwithstanding the possible dire effects on Ohina's
economy of our airfield program, strategical requirements necessitated the carrying through of this program.
The Army, by deciding to continue without reduction its
contemplated program, is of course assuming a grave

responsibility which can only be justified by important
military considerations.
I would like at this time to repeat what I have said

before on numerous occasions - the amount of U. 8.
dollars which we pay to acquire the local currency needed

for this airfield program bears no relation to the inflationary impact of the expenditures of this local currency.

Thus, the economic and financial situation in Ohina would
not be helped by a U. B. dollar loan or by paying as

exorbitant price in U. 8. dollars for the local currency
required.

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be paid out to obtain the local currency needed for our
military program in China, no agreement has yet been
reached on the price or on an exchange rate. There have,

4.

however, been some significant developments since Madame
Chiang wrote to you. The Chinese Government has been

advancing us the necessary yuan for the airfield program.
Thus, the Chinese agreed to advance 5 billion of yuan to
meet United States Army expenditures in China during
March. We, in turn, in accord with our understanding
with the Chinese to advance $25 million per month to
cover Army expenditures in China, have deposited $25
million to the account of the Chinese Government without
prejudice to any future agreement on price or exchange

rate for local currency. In addition, the Army has ar-

ranged to ship $20 million in U. S. currency and to transport $5 million of the $20 million to Chungking to be used
by the Chinese Government to help bring down the black
market premium on U. S. dollars. The other $15 million
will be held in India pending outcome of these experiment
on the black market. Funds provided China under this arrangement will be part of the $25 million per month which
we have agreed to put up.

5.

Madame Chiang in her letter to you also raises the question
of a loan. It is noted that Madame Chiang writes that Dr.
Kung would be willing to come to the United States if there
was tangible possibility of a loan. That the Chinese seen

to have given up, at least for the present, the hope of
getting a loan 18 suggested by the fact that the Generalissimo takes for granted that we will not invite Dr. Kung
if it is necessary to promise a loan. Instead, as Madame

Chiang goes on to say, the Generalissimo would appreciate
your sending to China a representative empowered with
full authority to consult with his Government on methods

for solving of China's critical economic and financial

problems.

If such a mission is to be successful, the representative
must have sufficient status to be able to speak frankly
and authoritatively with the Generalissimo on what could
be done to cope with Ohina's economic and financial problems.

6.

General Somervell, in the conference at my office on
March 20, 1944 on China, previously referred to, urged
me to undertake this mission, on the ground that it was
a matter of great importance to our war effort in the

Far East. I am inclined to agree with him. Since the
purpose would be to discuss financial and economic

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matters of considerable importance, I would be glad,

if you so wished, to make the trip. If you think
this idea a good one, I could plead inability to go
until June OF July, giving us the advantage of postponing the discussions with the possibility that the

situation there will, in the meantime, have so changed
as to heighten the possibilities of a successful economic
mission.

7.

If you agree that I should go, I will be glad to discuss
with you what I have in mind could be done to help Chim
out of her present chaotic situation.

If

HDW/ISF/efs 3/29/44

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March 27,1944

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. White

Subject: Effect on China's economy of U. S. Army expenditures.

1. on March 11 eable was sent to Adler instructing him to
send immediately his evaluation of the economic situation
in China, with particular reference to the effects of
our present and projected military activities. He was
asked to comment especially on the relative importance
of our military expenditures in bringing about the rapid
rise in prices as compared with the other causes of
inflation and the imminence of an economic collapse.

2. on March 25 a andle was received from Adler dated
March 23, copy of which is attached hereto, replying

to our eable. In general Adler takes the position that
the economic situation in Ohina is very serious. In
1943 prices trebled, while in 1944 prices are rising
even more rapidly. Production 18 declining and the

Chungking Government continues to finance its excendi-

tures largely by the use of the printing press. Adler
points out that the basic eauses of China's economic
difficulties are the growing disintegration of the
military and political power of the Central Government,
the isolation of China from the outside world and the
failure of the Government to make necessary internal
reforms.

3.

with regard to the effect of the contemplated U. 3.
Army program, he concludes that while the Chinese
economy might be able to stand this extra strain -and he emphasizes the might -- he feels that 11 18
highly questionable whether we should incur the risk
of imposing this strain on her unless the Army has
over-riding strategic reasons for doing so. He recommends strongly that the Army should not make plans
for further construction projects after June, 1944
which would entail the heavy expenditures which are

contemplated for the first half of this year. At

present projected expenditures for the three months,

April to June, 1944, are CN912 billion and actually
are more likely to exceed CH$15 billion.
4. Thus, Adler's eable bears out our feeling here that
although China's economic difficulties are fundamentally

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States Army military program, and that these would
continue to grow even if our military program was

sharely curtailed. The decision, however, to carry

out our contemplated military program at this stage
of economic deterioration will gravely accentuate
China's economic difficulties and the Army, by insisting on continuing of thout reduction its contemplated
program is. of course, assuming a grave responsibility

which can be justified only by important military
considerations.

HDM/ISF/efe 3/29/44

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25

MAR 29 1944

ity dear Mr. ecretary:

This is in further reply to your letter of December 31, 1943
and to the letter of Acting Secretary Patterson dated January 25,
1944, regarding ar Department contracts and projects in Canada
the financial responsibility for which could be taken over by the
Canadian Government without hindrance to the war effort.
Discussions with the Canadian Treasury have been completed and
the Canadian Government has agreed to include the following measures
which involve the Ber Department.

1. To pay for all construction of a permanent nature on U.S.
airfield developments in Canada. These include airfield developments
in the Northwest and along the Crimson Route as well as the airfield
at Mingan. It involves reimbursements to the United States Government

of an estimated $67.5 million - $33.3 million for the airfields in the

Northwest, $30 million for the airfields on the Crimson Route and $4.2
million for the airfield at itingan. The Canadian Government has also
agreed to assume the financial responsibility for any further expenditures which have been made but not yet paid for by this Government OF

which are still to be made in connection with the construction of the
airfield developments in the Northwest. Including the newly projected
$6 million program and contracts not yet completed, these latter are
estimated by the Canadian Government to total 542.1 million. It is expected that the discussions soon to take place between the State Department and the Canadian Government to finalize the figures of costs for
the airfields in the Northwest will be extended to cover the airfields
on the Crimson Route and at Mingan.

2. To accept full responsibility for the cost of construction of

that part of the telephone line from Edmonton to Fairbanks which is in
Canada. The Department of Transport is prepared to reimburse the ar
Department for its expenditures of 89.3 million as soon as the appropriate accounts are received.
3. To make imediate payment for American tanks transferred by

the British to the Canadian any for use in Europe. Dr. Clark reports
that this would amount to about $140 million including freight costs.
They desire to make an immediate payment of this amount leaving the
final adjustment to be made upon presentation of the bills.

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4. To take over the uncompleted portion of the following ar
Department contracts with for Supplies Limited
Canadian-reported

undelivered value
as of Feb.29, 1944

SSL 72-722 - 6 pdr. APC BC
ISL 72-888 - AS-48 cable
WSL 72-659 - Link spares
SL 72-450 - Fuel pumps

SL 72-157 - Propeller assemblies
WSL 72-377 - Link trainers (spares only

$20,685,008.00
101,174.24
209,242.25
53,288.73
142,600.00
126,000.00

to ship)

$21,317,313.22

The Department of Munitions and Supply are to discuss the trans-

for of these contracts with the appropriate officials of the aar

Department. r. Clark, Deputy Minister of Finance for Canada, reports
that the Aircraft reduction Franch of the Department of Munitions and
Supply requests that contract SL 72-157 be handled in such a way as to
permit the contractor to retain the benefit of technical services now

being provided by the U.S. Army Air Forces. The Department of Munitions
and Supply further requests that cancellations of the above contracts
with ar Supplies Limited be put into effect on a date which would give
approximately one week's notice of the change-over, so that arrangements
can be made with the manufacturers concerned to ship and bill to the
proper accounts, and also to enable the Canadian liutual Aid Board to
prepare and file the necessary requisitions to replace those which will
be cancelled by War Supplies Limited.

Dr. Clark informs us that the other lar Department contracts suggested by this Government as eligible for cancellation have been handled

in the following anneri

a. Contracts involving 20.5 million on basis of U.S.
figures have been completed or transferred to the Canadian
Government. These include:
ISL 72-458 - 20mm discs
SL 72-796 - Pump assemblies
SL 72-821 - lobble pumps
Various

- Range finders (other than U.S. type)

b. Contracts involving $14.4 million on basis of U.S.
figures have been cancelled and action has been taken to stop
production. These contracts include:
SL 72-169 - 75mm shells only
SL 72-812 - 40mm rounds
HSL 72-391 - Propellant powder
- .303 ammunition
Various

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3'C. Contracts involving 813 million on the basis of

U.S. figures and with an undelivered value as of February 29,
1944 of $640 thousand according to Canadian figures, will be
completed either in March or in April. The Department of
Munitions and Supply people feel that the transfer of these
contracts would require an amount of paper and administrative

work out of all proportion to the fi ancial considerations in-

volved and, accordingly, recommended that the request for their
transfer be dropped. These contracts include:
Canadian-reported

undelivered value

March 1944

$269,572.80

"

51,925

.

SL 72-402 - 19 radio installation kits

"

ISL 72-491 - Range finder press-

27,730

.

"

WSL 72-810 - Wooden propellers

"

spares

25,000 (approx.)

"

.

WSL 72-116 - Universal bomb racks
LSL 72-501 - Chore horse generator

.

ings

Feb. 29, 1944
209,105

"

HSL 72-235 - 6-pdr. practice shot
SL 72-28 - .55 ammunition

To be
Completed

April 1944

33,445.21
23.458.73

$640,236.74

The suggestion that Canada reimburse us for the $5.6 million expended on the contruction of terminal facilities at Dawson Creek was
not favorably received by the Canadian Government and at their request
this item was dropped from the program.

It is our understanding that the negotiations necessary to the
carrying out of the program agreed upon will th the Canadian Treasury
will be conducted between the appropriate Canadian Government agency
and the appropriate U.S. Government agency, in the case of the above

items the Far epartment. I assume that in each case the agency conducting the negotiations with the Canadian Government will clear the

matter with all other agencies having an interest in it.

In order to enable us to complete our records, I should appreciate
being kept informed of the progress of negotiations with the Canadian
Government and of being notified when the program, so far as concerns
the ar Department, is completed.
Very truly yours,

/ W. &

Secretary of the Treasury.
The Honorable,

:rl
21/LL

The Secretary of ar.

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MAR 29 1944

My dear Mr. Secretary:

This is in further reply to your letter of January 2, 1944
regarding Navy Department contracts and projects in Canada the

financial responsibility for which could be taken over by the

Canadian Government without hindrance to the war effort.

Discussions with the Canadian Treasury have been completed
and the Canadian Government has agreed, among other things, to

assume the financial responsibility for the contracts for PB2B

airplanes which the Navy Department has placed in Canada. The
Aircraft Production Branch of the Canadian Department of Munitions
and Supply is to discuss with the Navy Department the revision of
these contracts so as to provide for (1) the reimbursement of the
Navy Department for expenditures already made, estimated to amount
to approximately $22 million, (2) the assumption by the Canadian
Government of the responsibility for payments still due on these
contracts, estimated by them to amount to about $41 million, and
(3) the continuance by the Navy Department of various engineering

and technical services wh ah are called for in the existing contracts and which are necessary to their completion. This last
item includes the provision of equipment by the United States
Government.

Itis our understanding that the negotiations necessary to the

carrying out of the program agreed upon wi th the Canadian Treasury
will be conducted between the appropriate Canadian Government agency
and the appropriate U.S. Government agency, in the case of the contracts for PE2B airplanes the Navy Department. I assume that in each
case the agency conducting the negotiations with the Canadian Govern-

ment will clear the matter with all other agencies having an interest

in it.

In order to enable us to complete our records, I should appreciate
being kept informed of the progress of negotiations with the Canadian
Government and of being notified when the program, so far as it concorns the Havy Department, is completed.

Very truly yours,

( E. - Jr.
Secretary of the Treasury.
The Honorable,

The Secretary of Navy.
TMK:r1 3/23/44

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MAR 29 1944
Dear Mr. Crowley:

This is in further reply to your letter of December 30, 1943

regarding contracts and other arrangements between Foreign Economic

Administration and Canada, the financial responsibility for which

could be taken over by the Canadian Government without hindrance to
the war effort.
Discussions with the Canadian Treasury have been completed and
the Canadian Government has agreed to include the following measures

which are of interest to Foreign Economic Administration.

A. To reimburse us for goods shipped to Canada on Canex account.
These shipments are estimated by the Canadian Department of Munitions
and Supplies to total 838.8 million. The Canadian Treasury would like
to make an immediate payment of 038 million on account, leaving the

remainder to be settled upon the final presentation of bills.

B. To make an immediate payment of $20 million on account for
Canpay shipments. Dr. Clerk, Deputy Minister of Finance for Canada,

is uncertain of the exact amount still due. He now estimates it at
$15-02 million instead of $47 million, the figure he had given us
earlier.
C. To pay for the refining and distribution costs of the gasoline

used to meet the Fritish commitment in connection with the Empire Air
Training Plan. Dr. Clark informs us that this is already being done.
The annual cost is estimated at $15 million. So far as concerns the
crude petroleum used to meet this count tment, the Canadians suggest

that this is a matter which concerns the United Kingdom and accordingly
should be discussed with the British. le told them that your agency
would be the appropriate one to do so. The amount involved is 08timated to be 89 million annually.

D. Elimination of Canadian participation in the contracts for the

purchase of New Caledonia nickel. This is estimated by the Canadian
Government to involve an annual loss of dollar exchange receipts to
Canada of 12.5 million.

E. To reimburse the Metals Reserve Company for the unliquidated
portion of the $1,311 thousand of capital advances and for the estimated
$1.9 million of subsidy payments made by the Metals Reserve Company under
a master agreement with Far Supplies Limited for the operation of certain marginal mines in Canada and to assume all future capital obligations and operating aspects of the agreement covering these mines.

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-2According to Dr. Clark, the negotiations providing for repayment of
capital advances are now in process between Metals Reserve people

and the Canadian Metals Control. It is expected that these die-

cussions will be broadened to cover reimbursement for subsidy payments already made as well as the question of the possible cancella-

tion of the contracts.

So far as concerns the Falconbridge Nickel Contract, the Canadian

Government prefers not to take it over and at their request this item
was dropped from the program.

It is our understanding that the negotiations necessary to the
carrying out of the program agreed upon with the Canadian Treasury
will be conducted between the appropriate Canadian Government agency
and the appropria te U.S. Government agency, in the case of the first

three items listed above, the Foreign Economic I

assume that in each case the agency conducting the negotiations with
the Canadian Government will clear the matter with all other agencies

having an interest in it.
I have written to Secretary Jones informing him of the outcome of
our discussions with the Canadian Treasury.
In order to enable us to complete our records, I should appreciate
being kept informed of the progress of the negotiations and of being
notified when the program, so far as it concerns Foreign Economic
Administration, is completed.
Very truly yours,
signed) H. Morgenthew. Jr.

ecretary of the Treasury.

Mr. Leo T. Crowley, Administrator,
Foreign Economic Administration,
Room 414,

National Press Building,
14th & F Streets, N.W.,
ashington, D.C.

Tikirl 3/24/44

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MAR 29 1944

ity dear Mr. Secretary:

This is in further reply to your letter of January 13, 1944
in regard to contracts which the Reconstruction Finance Corporation
and its subsidiaries have placed in Canada and which could be cancelled and transferred to the Canadian Government without hindrance

to the war effort.

Discussions with the Canadian Treasury have been completed and
the Canadian Government has agreed to include the following two measures

which are of interest to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and its
subsidiaries.

A. Elimination of Canadian participation in the contracts for the

purchase of New Caledonia nickel. This is estimated by the Canadian
Government to involve an annual loss of dollar exchange receipts to

anada of 2.5 million.

B. Reimbursement of the Metals Reserve Company for the un-

liquidated portion of the (1,311 thousand of capital advances and
for the estimated $1.9 million of subsidy payments made by the Metals
Reserve Company under a master agreement with War Supplies Limited for

the operation of certain marginal mines in Canada and assumption of all
future capital obligations and operating aspects of the agreement covering these mines. According to Dr. Clark, Reputy Minister of Finance for
Canada, the negotiations providing for repayment of capital advances are

now in process betw on the Metals Reserve Company and the Canadian Metals

Control. It is expected that these discussions will be broadened to
cover reimbursement for subsidy payments.

Dr. Clark believes that the Canadian Metals Control will probably
want to cancel the contracts covering the marginal mines. If they
decide to do so, they will discuss the question with the Metals Reserve
Company.

I note your statement that all of your Canadian agreements were
made on the recommencation of the War Production Board and that before

any of them are actually terminated or transferred to the Canadian
Government the matter should probably be cleared with that agency. I
assume that in each case the agency conducting the negotiations with
the Canadian Government will clear the matter with all other agencies

having an interest in it. It is our understanding that these dis-

cussions wi 1 be conducted between the appropriate Canadian Government

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the metals contract the Metals Reserve Company.

I have written to Mr. Crowley informing him of the outcome of
our discussions with the Canadian Treasury.
In order to enable us to complete our records, I should appreciate
kept informed of the progress of these negotiations and of being
being notified when the program, so far as it concerns the Recorstruction
Finance Corporation, is completed.

Very truly yours,
(Signed) H. Morganther, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.

Honorable Jesse Jones,
seretary of Commerce,
811 Vermont Avenue,
Room 1215,

Washington, D.C.

TNK:rl 2/23/44

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SECRET
Paraphrase of message No. CFB 15326, 27 March 1944,

Corrected Copy, to General Somervell from General

Stillwell.

lie are now hopping that the Chinese may take a more realistic
attitude on money matters, provided we can save their faces. The
GMO is pressing Kung to effect agreement although mention of the
phrase "exchange rate" sends the GMO into a tailspin. We would

like to have permission to explore the possibilities of the following plan, the only one which has a chance of success at the present
time.

That the Chinese continue to advance CN to U.S. Army according to

our needs and their ability. At the beginning of each three-month
period, the U.S. to decide on a sum of U.S. dollars which will be
advanced to the Chinese during the period. For the next threemonth period this sum to be figured between 100 and 200, probably
between 125 and 165, U.S. requirements in CN to be kept secret,

while the Chinese may publicize our "contribution" if they think
wise for stabilisation purposes. The rate of exchange will not
come into the transaction, and the decision on final benefit
derived by the Chinese and U.S. respectively will be left to post
war negotiation.

We think that the "tri-monthly ration between the two contributions
will become the de facto rate of final settlement, since post war
stabilization of rate must certainly be at a much lower figure.

To raise a portion of their contribution to U.S. in the least inflationary manner the Chinese to be urged to sell gold and U.S.

dollars on joint account. This procedure is preferable to our

sale on our own account since the sales will probably produce-only
20% of our requirement. We fully realize the disadvantage of post
war negotiation on final rate, but think that the dangers are more
imaginary than real. The proposal has tremendous face saving
advantage for GMO. The Ambassador and Adler have seen this cable
and indorse the scheme, and request copies of this telegram to be
furnished State and Treasury Departments.
No request no action be taken in Washington on our radio CFBX

15225, dated 24 March until initial steps in present negotiations
are concluded.

#########

YOURBOTT

Ape es RAN
to

common

SECRET

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MAR 29 1944

MEMO ANDUM TO THE PRESIDENT

On March 2, 1943, you approved the recommendation

of an interdepartmental committee that appropriate action
be taken to maintain Canada's gold and U.S. dollar balances
at not less than about $800 million and not more than about

350 million.

iscussions were immediately undertaken with the appropriste U.S. agencies and Canadian officials to implement

this decision. In pursuance of the arrangement, $107 mil-

lion of U.S. Government contracts in Canada were cancelled
in September 1943. However, despite these cancellations
Canadian dollar balances continued to rise and in December
the question of taking additional measures to bring them
into line with the above decision was opened with the
anadian Treasury and appropriate U.S. Government agencies.

As a result of these discussions, the Canadian Government has agreed to measures which will reduce her current

gold and dollar holdings by about 300 million and her future
dollar exchange receipts by about $190 million, as follows:
1. To assume all of the cost of the permanent air-

field developments constructed by the U.S. Army
in Canada. This will involve reimbursements to
the U.S. Government of $67.5 million and the
assumption of additional expenditures of $42.1

million.

2. To reimburse U.S. for goods received under
"Canex" requisitions. These are estimated to
amount to $38.8 million and represent goods
lend-leased to the United Kingdom but made

available to Canada for its own use in exchange for expenditures incurred by it in the
United States for materials used in production
on British account.

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-23. To take over the Navy contract for PB2B
aircraft which involves reimbursement to
us of $22 million and assumption of future
outlays of $41 million.
4. To terminate or assume War and Navy Depart-

ment contracts for munitions with an undelivered

value of $91 million. This will reduce Canada's
future dollar exchange receipts by this amount.

5. To make an immediate payment of $160 million for

goods purchased from S.--$140 million for

tanks purchased in the United Kingdom for use
of the Canadian Army in Europe and $20 million
on account for goods imported from the United
States under cash reimbursable lend-lease.

6. To assume the costs of other projects previously financed by U.S. and to eliminate
Canadian participation in the purchase contracts for New Caledonia nickel. These involve reimbursements to U.S. of $12.5 million

and an annual loss of dollar exchange to Canada

of $17.5 million.

Excluding the $126 million of dollar balances representing net proceeds from security sales to U.S., the above
measures will reduce Canada's gold and dollar balances as of
the end of February 1944 from $650 million to $350 million.
The Canadian Government has undertaken to put these

measures into effect as quickly as possible. When the program is completed the only outstanding U.S. Government con-

tracts in Canada will be those continued or placed for other

than financial considerations. In view of this fact and of

the favorable outlook for Canada's dollar exchange position
during the foreseeable future, it is agreed by the two
Treasuries that there is no need to continue the arrangement
under which their Governments undertook to take appropriate
measures to maintain Canada's dollar balances within the
limits of $300-$350 million.
There are attached a copy of the schedule setting forth
the agreed-upon program and a copy of the exchange of correspondence between myself and Mr. Ilsley, Minister of
Finance for Canada.

TMK:MAB:r1 8/29/44

(Signed) H. Morgan Jr.

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MAR 29 1944

Dear Mr. Ilsley,
Receipt is acknowledged of your letter of
March 24, 1944, regarding Canada's holdings of

United States dollar exchange. The views ex-

pressed in your letter are in accordance with
our understanding of the agreement we have
reached.

The atmosphere of cooperation and understanding in which these arrangements have been

conducted is, for me, a source of genuine

satisfaction.
Sincerely,

(Signed)

Honorable J. L. Ilsley,
Minister of Finance,
Ottawa, Canada.

TMK:r1 3/28/44

H.

Morganthes, Jr.

&

CANADA

OTTAWA, March 24, 1944.

Hon. Henry L. Morgenthau,

Secretary of the Treasury,

WASHINGTON, D.C.

Dear Mr. Morgenthau:

During the last few weeks discussions between yourself and myself and our officials have
been taking place on the subject of Canada's holdings
of United States dollar exchange.

Last year, in keeping with the
principles and the spirit of the Hyde Park Declaration,
we had reached an understanding to the effect that the
United States would follow a program of procurement of
war supplies such as to prevent our holdings of gold
and U. S. dollar balances from falling below an agreed
minimum and that Canada would take appropriate action

if our holdings of these reserves tended to rise above
an agreed maximum.

Unanticipated developments during

1943 served to increase our available supply of U. S.
exchange beyond expectation. We have therefore now
agreed upon a program intended to reduce our balances

to the agreed range and, in accordance with our recent
conversations, we undertake to put this program into

effect as quickly as practicable.
Accordingly, in view of this agreement there is no further need for the continuance of

last year's arrangement and Canada and the United States
are mutually released from the obligations assumed under
such arrangement. As applied to Canada this means that

Caneda will be free to maintain, build up, or deal with

its reserves as it sees fit.

If the above is in accordance with
your understanding of the agreement which has been

2.

arrived at, I should be glad to have your confirmation.
May I express my appreciation of
the understanding of our position which you have always

shown and of the spirit of co-operation and good-will
which you have manifested in seeking to achieve the
objectives of the Hyde Park Declaration and in the

conduct of our recent negotiations.

Yours sincerely,

SECRET.

CHEDULE COVERING AGREED PROGRAM REFERRED TO IN LETTER
FROM

HON. J. L. ILSLEY. CANADIAN MINISTER OF FINANCE,
TO
6

HENRY L. HORGENTHAU. SECRETARY OF THE U.S. TREASURY.
DATED MARCH 24 1944.

RES WHICH WILL REDUCE CANADA'S HOLDINGS OF U.S. DOLLAR BALANCES.

Estimated Amount

(Millions of Dollars)
Payment to F.E.A. for imports of war
supplies under Canex Requisitions

38.8

Payment to Metals Reserve Company to

recoup capital advances and price subsidies
certain marginal metal mining properties in
Canada under the terms of an agreement with
made by that Company for development of
War Supplies Limited

3.2

5. Payment for costs incurred by U. S. Army in
connection with construction of permanent
improvements to following airfields in
Canada:

(a) Airfields on the Northwest Staging
Route, landing strips along the Canol
Pipe Line and other airfields, landing
strips and permanent air route

facilities constructed by U.S. in

Northwest Canada

(b) Airfields on the Crimson Route in
Central Northeast Canada

(c) Airfield at Mingan, Quebec
Payment for costs incurred by U.S. Army for
construction of that part of the telephone
line from Edmonton to Fairbanks which is
in Canadian territory
Reimbursement for progress payments made by

U.S. Navy for production of PB2B1 aircraft
Payment in U.S. dollars for U.S. tanks purchased
in the United Kingdom for use of the Canadian
Army in Europe

Further payment on account in respect of
imports under Canpay requisitions

53.3
30.0
4.2

9.3

22.0

140.0
20.0
500.8

but
HDW

2.

RES WHICH WILL REDUCE CANADA'S FUTURE RECEIPTS OF U.S. DOLLARS.

Estimated Amount

(Millions of Dollars)
Amendment of U.S. Navy contract for

PB2B1 aircraft so as to provide for

assumption by Canada of financial

responsibility to Boeing Aircraft

of Canada Limited

41.0

Assumption by Canada of expenditure

incurred on U.S. account for construction
of permanent improvements to airfields in
Canada and at Goose Bay, Labrador
(including newly projected $6 million

program and contracts not yet completed 1.4
on Northwest Staging Route)

฿

4.

Assumption by Canada of refining and
distribution costs of gasoline used to
meet British commitment in connection
with Air Training Plan in Canada

15. (annu-

ally)

Elimination of Canadian participation in

contracts for purchase of New Caledonian

nickel
S.

42.1

2.5 (annu-

ally)

Contracts between War or Navy Department and

War Supplies Limited terminated and/or
cancelled after December 1, 1943, or to be

terminated and/or cancelled. Undelivered

value as estimated by Canadian Department
of Munitions and Supply:

91.0

WSL 72-722 6 pdr. APC BC

WSL 72-888 AS - 48 cable
W8L 72-659 link spares
WSL 72-450 fuel pumps
WSL 72-157 propeller assemblies

WSL 72-377 link trainers
WSL
72-458 20 - discs
WSL

72-796

pump assemblies

WSL 72-821 wobble pumps

72-240, 740 & 743 Range finders (other
than U.S. type)
WSL 72-169 75 mm shells H.E.

WSL

WSL 72-812 40 mm rounds

WSL 72-391 powder propellant
.303 ammunition
WSL 72-216, 643, 217 & 265
WSL 72-284 Algerine minesweepers
WSL 72-204 & 205 (old and new contracts)

Cornell aircraft and spares

WSL 72-265 & 921 (old and new contracts)
Harvard aircraft and spares
191.6

HOW

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MAR 29 1944

My dear Mr. Secretary:
I am enclosing a copy of the correspondence

between Mr. Ilsley, Canadian Minister of Finance,
and myself, incorporating the agreement on Canada's

dollar balances and a copy of the schedule listing
the measures which the Canadian Government has greed

to take to implement this agreement.

Very truly yours,
(Mgaa)) # Morganthes,

Secretary of the Treasury.

The Honorable,

The Secretary of State.
Enclosures

MAB:rl 8/28/44

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OTTAWA, March24 1944.

Hon. Henry L. Morgenthau,

Secretary of the Treasury,
WASHINGTON, D.C.

Dear Mr. Morgenthaus

During the last few weeks discussions between yourself and myself and our officials have
been taking place on the subject of Canada's holdings
of United States dollar exchange.

Last year, in keeping with the
principles and the spirit of the Hyde Park Declaration,

we had reached an understanding to the effect that the
United States would follow a program of procurement of
war supplies such as to prevent our holdings of gold
and U. S. dollar balances from falling below an agreed
minimum and that Canada would take appropriate action

if our holdings of these reserves tended to rise above
an agreed maximum.

Unanticipated developments during

1943 served to increase our available supply of U. 8.
exchange beyond expectation. We have therefore now
agreed upon a program intended to reduce our balances

to the agreed range and, in accordance with our recent
conversations, we undertake to put this program into

effect as quickly as practicable.
Accordingly, in view of this agreement there is no further need for the continuance of

last year's arrangement and Canada and the United States
are autually released from the obligations assumed under
such arrangement. As applied to Canada this means that

Canada will be free to maintain, build up, or deal with

its reserves as it sees fit.

If the above is in accordance with
your understanding of the agreement which has been

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2.

arrived at, I should be glad to have your confirmation.
May I express my appreciation of
the understanding of our position which you have always
shown and of the spirit of co-operation and good-will
which you have manifested in seeking to achieve the
objectives of the Hyde Park Declaration and in the
conduct of our recent negotiations.
Yours sincerely,

SECRET. 116

EDULE COVERING AGREED PROGRAM REFERRED TO IN LETTER
FROM

HON. J. Le ILSLEY. CANADIAN MINISTER OF FINANCE,
TO

HENRY L. |ORGENTHAU. SECRETARY OF THE U.S. TREASURY.
DATED MARCH 24. 1944.
JRES WHICH WILL REDUCE CANADA'S HOLDINGS OF U.S. DOLLAR BARANGES.

Estimated Amount

(Millions of Dollars)
1. Payment to F.E.A. for imports of war
supplies under Canex Requisitions

58.8

2. Payment to Metals Reserve Company to

recoup capital advances and price subsidies
certain marginal metal mining properties in

made by that Company for development of

Canada under the terms of an agreement with
War Supplies Limited

8.2

5. Payment for costs incurred by U. S. Army in
connection with construction of permanent
improvements to following airfields in
Canada:

(a) Airfields on the Northwest Staging
Route, landing strips along the Canol
Pipe Line and other airfields, landing
strips and permanent air route

facilities constructed by U.S. in

55.5

(b) Airfields on the Crimson Route in

30.0

Northwest Canada

Central Northeast Canada

(c) Airfield at Mingan, Quebec

4. Payment for costs incurred by U.S. Army for
construction of that part of the telephone
line from Edmonton to Fairbanks which is
in Canadian territory
5. Reimbursement for progress payments made by

U.S. Navy for production of PB2B1 aircraft
Payment in U.S. dollars for U.S. tanks purchased
in the United Kingdom for use of the Canadian
Army in Europe

7. Further payment on account in respect of
imports under Canpay requisitions

4.2

9.5
22.0

140.0
20.0

500.8

Web

HDW

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2.

URES WHICH WILL REDUCE CANADA'S FUTURE RECEIPTS OF U.S. DOLLARS.

Estimated Amount

(Millions of Dollars)
1

Amendment of U.S. Navy contract for

PB2B1 aircraft so as to provide for
assumption by Canada of financial
responsibility to Boeing Aircraft
of Canada Limited

41.0

2. Assumption by Canada of expenditure

incurred on U.S. account for construction
of permanent improvements to airfields in
Canada and at Goose Bay, Labrador
(including newly projected $6 million
program and contracts not yet completed
on Northwest Staging Route)

5. Assumption by Canada of refining and
distribution costs of gasoline used to
meet British commitment in connection
with Air Training Plan in Canada

4. Elimination of Canadian participation in

contracts for purchase of New Caledonia

nickel

42.1

15.0(annu-

ally)

2.5 (annu-

ally

5. Contracts between War or Navy Department and
War Supplies Limited terminated and/or
cancelled after December 1, 1943, or to be

terminated and/or cancelled. Undelivered

value as estimated by Canadian Department
of Munitions and Supply:
72-722

6 pdr. APC BC
fuel pumps

WSL

72-450
72-157
72-377
72-458
72-796
72-821

WSL

72-240,

WSL

WSL 72-888
WSL 72-659
WSL
WSL
WSL

WSL
WSL

WSL
WSL

91.0

AS - 48 cable
link spares

propeller assemblies

link trainers
20 mm discs

pump assemblies
wobble pumps

740 & 743 Range finders (other
than U.S. type)
75 mm shells H.E.

72-169
72-812

40 mm rounds

WSL 72-391 powder propellant
.303 ammunition
WSL 72-216, 645, 217 & 265
WSL 72-284 Algerine minesweepers

WSL 72-204 & 205 and new contracts)
spares
WSL

72-265

&

921
new
Cornelland
(old (old
aircraft contracts) and

Harvard aircraft and spares
191.6

wrole

HOW

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March 29, 1944
4:19 p.m.

HMJr:

Grace

I'm fine. I feel like the forgotten man.

Tully:

(Laughs) Why?

HMJr:

Well, twenty-four hours have gone and I figure
there are only twenty-four hours left.

T:

(Laughs) About the appointment?

HMJr:

Yeah.

T:

Well, I don't know just at the moment when we

HMJr:

Have you tried?

T:

HMJr:

can make it.

Uh -- I saw the Boss earlier and he didn't know
just then and I may see him again this afternoon.
Yeah.

White
House

Operator:

Excuse me. Can I break in here just a minute?

HMJr:

Yes.

T:

Yes.

Operator:

Mr. Secretary, I have to break in for the President.
Just a minute.

4:21 p.m.
Grace

Tully:

Hello. Sorry, Mr. Secretary, but that was the

HMJr:

Well, it's all right.

T:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

That gave you a chance to ask him for me.

T:

Yeah. That will give me a chance. I'm going

Boss.

over now.

-2HMJr:

Oh, good.
Yeah.

HMJr:

Good.

So, I'll let you know just as soon as I have

returned.
HMJr:

Yeah.

All right, fine, sir.
HMJr:

I take it I've still got about twenty-four hours,

haven't I?

You might have that, or more.
HMJr:

Oh.

Uh huh.
HMJr:

Oh. Well, anyway, do your best.

T:

Yes, sir, I will and I'11 let you know.

HMJr:

Thank you.

Right. Uh huh.

119

From hm Hiffill

120

3/29/44

Actual Receipts and Expenditures for Fiscal Years 1938 to 1943

including for Place Years 1944 - 1945 V
(In millions of dollars)

General and Special Accounts

Estimated

1943

1942

1941

1940

1939

1938

2,125
2,345

2,189

2,640

2,967

2,232

2,279

896

691

605

530

120

98

108

103

90

170

137

121

109

150

1945

1944

33,336
6,742

32,970

16,094

7,960

3,470

5,422

4,553

3,847

1,605

1,250

1,130

200

188

158

273

265

209

Receipts:

Internal revenue

Rel road unemployment insurance contributions
Customs

Miscellaneous receipts

Total receipts

514

13

12

10

438

420

324

389

392

349

319

2,037

359

2,443

906

277

508

268

188

208

44,644

42,970

23,385

13,668

8,269

5,925

5,668

6,242

1,574

1,220

1,103

869

661

538

503

387

43,070

41,750

22,282

12,799

7,607

5,387

5,165

5,855

47,600

48,800
27,000
4,500
1,900
2,300
1,200

42,265
20,888

14,070
8,580

3,678
2,313

667

490

432

28,500
4,700
1,900
2,500
1,200

891

673

596

2,7%

929

99

44

1,105

132

2,011

696

1,201

519

1,800

3/2,800

1,863

1,084

88,200

5/ 88,500

72,109

26,011

6,301

1,657

1,206

1,029

3,750

2,650

1,808

1,260

1,111

1,041

941

926

651

896

1,168

1,233

945

1,571

1,242

867

545

545

573

799

836

805

758

717

125

222

447

1,136

1,654

2,065

2,827

1,885

8

Taxes upon carriers and their employees

7

Tax on employees of 8 or more

5

Employment taxes

-

Income tax

Wiscellaneous internal revenue
Social security taxes:

Deduct:

Net appropriation to Federal old-age and survivors
insurance trust fund
Net receipts 2/
to

Expenditures:

Mar activities:

-

-

-

-

-

3

24

232

-

-

-

Interest on the public debt

-

Sub-total

-

Other

-

Treasury Department

-

War Shipping Administration
Agriculture Department

51

1

United States Mari time Commission

-

War Department
Navy Department

General (including revolving funds and transfers
to trust accounts):
Federal Works Agency

Interior Department:
Reclamation projects
Other

59

76

69

91

86

96

79

65

85

89

86

111

108

111

134

100

18

30

42

40

47

Post Office Department (deficiency, etc.)

13

9

Agriculture Department
Federal Security Agency

-

Railroad Retirement Board:

Railroad Retirement Account (transfer to
215

141

124

17

14

14

15

162

189

201

191

219

213

193

199

26

77

111

127

51

39

41

42

1,799

411

121
8

146

Treasury Department

79

94

90

91

68

100

225

159

147

177

1%

168

10

-

250

30

623

572

555

197

177

107

103

93

87

75

73

457

629

357

353

340

317

260

293

6,004

4,801

4,262

5,125

5,299

6,300

6,560

5,284

97,954

95,951

78,179

32,397

12,711

8,998

8,707

7,239

54,884

5/54,201

55,897

19,598

5,103

3,611

3,542

1,384

1

Sub-total

Total expenditures, excluding debt retiresent

Excess of expenditures over receipts

-

9

Other departments and establishments

-

-

500
758

553

Government employees' retirement funds

U. S. share (transfer to trust accounts)

-

-

-

Other

290

-

Veterans' Administration
Adjusted service certificate fund (transfer
to trust accounts)
National service life insurance fund (transfor to trust accounts)

342

-

Refunds of taxes and duties

Other

&

-

Tennessee Valley Authority

297

14

3

River and harbor work and flood control

107

275

1

trust accounts)

Other

557

557

582

Note:- Classifications are on the basis of present location of activities and functions. Figures are rounded to mareat million and will not necessarily add to totals.
a Excess of credits, deduct.
Estimates on basis of 1945 Budget.
Estimated receipts show the effect of the Revenue Act of 1943. Net receipts are $2,301 millions greater in 1945 and $564 millions greater in 1944 than Budget
estimates.

3/

$

Includes anticipated supplemental appropriations of 8650 millions for 1945 and $600 millions for 1944.
Includes anticipated supplemental appropriations of 845 millions for 1945 and $170 millions for 1944.
For cash financing purposes the Treasury estimates for 1944 that war expendi tures will be about $1,800 millions less than Budget estimates, resulting in a
corresponding reduction in the estimated deficit.

121

Summary of Expenditures of the Department of Agriculture for the
Fiscal Years 1938-1943 and Estimates for 1944 and 1945.

(In millions of dollars)
Budget Estimates

Actual

8/20

27

41

3

-

-

8

6

7

9

-

10

-

al7

100

-

-

-

-

1

28

6

9

n

1

4

7

-

15

2

-

-

54

-

22

24

27

a

57

-

28

v

-

5

31

32

12

33

12

14

13

35

36

42

-

4

-

8

-

29

1

8

6

5
5

21

30

1

Loans

-

41

6

3

40

15

-

-

24

Farm Tenant Act

Reduction in interest rates on mortgages
Subscriptions to paid-in surplus
Forest roads and trails
Rural Electrification Administration:

60

55

-

Crop loans, etc.

Federal Farm Mortgage Corporation:
Capital stock
Reduction in interest rates on mortgages
Federal land banks:
Capital stock

28

-

1994

1939

a

Banks for cooperatives - capital stock
Federal intermediate credit banks - capital stock
Production credit corporations - capital stock

1940

1941

a

Farm Credit Administration

1942

1943

-

1944

2

1945

5

1

14
2

Other

4

1

3

2

3
3

r Food Administration:

Agricultural Marketing Administration:

91
18

-

71

91

38

45

60

62

159

184

180
304

6

7

-

30

265

350

458

474

465

605

47

39

49

62

53

50

53

34

133

-

3

3

7
1

5

1
-

15

5

6
3

6

-

160

203

-

9

90

18

1 88

87

122

14

8
2

2

92
1

20

215

198

197

2

128

147

146

129

124

-

-

-

-

-

-

5

-

896

651

1,168

945

1,233
-

-

-

896

1,168

-

651

1,233

2/ 315
1,260

867

1,242

1,571

-

Total

94

-

5

Add back non-recurring credit

120

-

2

-

5

Sub-total

97

61

55

-

Regular departmental expenditures
Foreign war and refugee relies

91

72

6

15

-

Other

23

-

478

Other:

Administration of Sugar Act of 1937
Agricultural Adjustment Act of Aug. 24, 1935
Commodity Credit Corporation, restoration of
capital impairment
Federal Crop Insurance Acts
Administrative expenses
Subscriptions to capital stock
Price Adjustment Act of 1938 and parity payments

77

53

126

-

Surplus marketing
Surplus commodi ty stamp program
Farm Security Administration
Soil Conservation and Domestic Allotment Act

4

(

4

1,571

1,242

(

Excess of credits, deduct.
Excludes certain functions transferred to War Food Administration.
Represents payments into the Treasury of capital and surplus of certain agricultural corporations, of which $70 millions was resubscribed in 1942 and $99 millions
was resubscribed in 1943.

867

122

122

Major Public Works Activities

(In millions of dollars)
Actual
1942

1941

#

#

,
1943

1940

#

.

1944

:

1945

1939

#

Budget Estimates

1938

general

16.9
164.5

3.7

3/ 77.1

2 126.6

.5

.1

.3

.4

13.1

18.5

191.0

17.9

23.4

15.1

27.7

98.8

248.7
21.8

.3

1.0

265.0
18.7

22.8

59.4

100.8

-

1.4

9.4

11.3
-

-

-

136.9
3.3

-

-

.9

.5

-

Other

-

7.0

.1

.4

-

-

Loans and grants to States, etc.
Loans to railroads

174.1

14.8
223.4

-

Revolving Funds

17.0

152.6

76.7

51.4
14.8

-

Public Works Administration
Administrative expenses
Grants (Act of June 21, 1938)
Loans (Act of June 21, 1938)

34.1

129.3

44.5

-

Public Roads Administration

58.1

-

Other

51.7

13.9

-

Construction

33.8
26.6

12.2
44.5

2.7

-

Public Buildings Administration:

-

Federal Works Agency:

299.0

882.4

1,284.6

1,477.5

2,161.5

1,421.3

2.6

68.6

91.4

96.4

79.3

65.4

72.3

85.6

55.2

190.5

218.5

198.6

201.2

193.0

187.8

212.9

161.6

6.0

10.2

9.1

3.5

7.0

3.0

10.1

8.6

11.7
20.7

9.7

1.9

11.2

6.0
1.3

1.2

1.3

1.5

1.1

1.3

39.1

40.8

42.0

6,0

6,6

9.3

2,429.4

3,165.1

2,233.9

-

Work Projects Administration

423.6

581.1

887.5

1,566.2

2,030.3

139.5

120.6
130.0

96.3
114.4

15.5
34.1

4.7

4.5

12.0

1.4

5/ 507.5

607.6

297.0

42.0

50.0

762.8

822.8

358.6

42.0

276.6

Public Works (community facilities)
Other (Public Buildings Administration)
National Housing Agency

Total, War Activities

85.7

Less than $100,000.

Excess of credits, deduct.
Includes $42.4 millions work performed for the Mar Department.
Includes $49.0 millions work performed for the Bar Department.
Includes $4.4 millions work performed for the War Department.
Includes $127.9 supplemental appropriation pending in First Deficiency Act, 1944.
Includes $7.5 supplemental appropriation pending in First Deficiency Act, 1944.
Includes $30.0 supplemental appropriation pending in First Deficiency Act, 1944.

-

Public Roads Administration

-

Federal Works Agency:

-

War Activities

-

4.0

-

2.7

3.4

6/ 44.6

8.1

-

Total, General

127.0

-

Veterana' Administration, hospital facilities, etc.

111.5

-

Tennessee Valley Authorit

77.0

51.2

26.0

-

Other

-

.6

-

.6

-

10.9

-

Administrative expenses, etc.
Federal Public Housing Authority

.

-

Federal Housing Administration:

-

National Housing Agency:

-

River and harbor work and flood control

-

Reclamation projects

-

Interior Department:

.

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123

Details of "Other Departments and Establishments*

(In millions of dollars)
Estimated
1945

1944

42

87

1943

1942

1941

1940

33

29

27

24

1939

1938

Commerce Department:
18

10

-

-

-

-

6
8

4

-

-

-

-

3

35

32

6

29

31

45

43

25

23

6
6

6

6
6

5

5
2

2

3

2
3
2

3

2

-

-

-

-

Civil Aeronautics Authori ty
Reconstruction Finance Corporation:
Disaster Loan Corporation - capital stock
Other (payment of interest to Treasury under notes
cancelled pursuant to Act of February 24, 1938)
Other (Census Bureau and other departmental activities
district of Columbia (U. S. share)
Executive Office (White House office, Budget Bureau, etc.)
Federal Emergency Relief Administration
Judicial Establishment

1

2

&

14

12

12

12

11

1

6

9

Labor Department

Legislative Establishment
lational Housing Agency:
Federal Housing Administration
Federal Public Housing Authority

73

63

63

64

58

59

48

52

23

23

23

23

24

19

14

13

30

29

27

27

24

23

22

26

6

3

3

10

12

7

Justice Department

9

11

12

10

10

21

6
2

9

Federal Home Loan Banks:
1

1

1

-

-

-

-

5

-

-

State Department

1

1

Panasa Canal, (operation, protective works, etc.)

2/

2/

1

Administrative expenses
Capital stock
21

34

31

38

29

25

10

11

41

35

33

29

23

24

19

21

War Department - civil functions (cemeterial expenses,
Alaska communication system, etc.)
Miscellaneous independent offices and commissions:

3/

3/

2

4

3

3

12

11

38

27
8

9

70

70

64

60

74

57

31

Unclassified items

82

19

23

-

-

-

-

Other

3

-

-

-

Employees' Compensation Commission

General Accounting Office
Interstate Connerce Commission
National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics

3/

1

Adjustment for certain disbursing officers' checks
1

-

5

-

629

-

1/

457

357

353

Included under Department of Justice.

2/ Included
accounts, increment on gold, etc. - Transactions in checking accounts of Governmental agencies".
Included under
under Trust
"Nar activities".

3/

-1

-5

1

-

Total other departments and establishments

170

340

-

Expenditures from anticipated supplemental appropriations

-

45

317

-

-

outstanding

260

293

WAR ACTIVITIES EXPENDITURES
EXCLUDING RECONSTRUCTION FINANCE CORPORATION AND

SUBSIDIARIES, ON THE BASIS OF CURRENT DAILY TREASURY STATEMENT CLASSIFICATIONS

(In millions of dollars)
National

667

Agriculture

936

Agency

-

By fiscal years:
Fiscal year 1940 1/

Navy

Maritime
Treasury

Commission

War Shipping

Administration

Other

Total

-

99

-

War

Housing

1,711

-

8

14,070

2,313
8,580

Fiscal year 1943

42,265

20,888

Fiscal year 1944 - Budget estimate

48,790

Fiscal year 1945 - Budget estimate

47,597

45

3

Fiscal year 1942

3,678

696

297

2,011

608

27,000

2,300

500

28,500

2,500

50

24

519

51

-

Fiscal year 1941

187

6,301

929

132

787

26,011

1,201

2,776

1,105

1,256

72,109

1,150

4,500

1,900

2,360 3/

88,500

1,000

4,700

1,900

1,953 3/

88,200

v vonths:

Fiscal year 1942:

424

37

30

16

46

834

497

66

40

24

44

41

-6

9

Nov.

771

Dec.

Jan., 1942
Feb.

.

Mar.

Apr.

1,072
1,282

June

Total fiscal year 1942

41
43

29

52

69

575

63

27

35

86

42

95

1,369

581

1,432
1,594

946

1,850
2,007

May

493
545

14,070

105

18

65

22

1,307

8,580

80

17

119

696

29

19

53

1,101
1,309

29

1,131

32

1,330

33

1,537
1,448

29

1,850

41

37

2,104

48

2,208

63

121

16

108

2,809

63

98

42

253

3,238
3,560

83

130

33

99

150

39

519

929

132

21

297

57

969

46

2

Oct.

17

-

5

7

26

-

746

Sept.

21

-

19

-

441

-

362

598

-

516

Aug.

-

July, 1941

59

3,829

85

787

26,011

4,498

Fiscal year 1943:
July, 1942
Aug.

Sept
Oct.
Nov.
Dec.

Jan. 1943
.

Feb.
Mar.

2,861
2,875
3,519

3,417
3,538
3,770
4,053
3,239
3,985

1,103

1,376
1,294
1,596
1,478
1,380
1,274
2,002

90

26

95

184

54

85

61

42

110

211

99

111

94

102

4,884

45

141

113

77

51

48

110

5,384

46

111

100

433

5,481

50

81

274

85

102

6,042
5,825
5,947

21

50

83

275

127

119

18

44

95

331

77

56

12

39

79

223

68

106

17

55

103

285

103

141

514

120

6,744

61

248

69

134

6,974

5,770

382

77

106

243

3,424

2,053
2,102
2,251
2,980

93

318

117

7,092

70

315

116

129

7,469

42,265

20,888

2,011

608

1,201

2,776

1,105

1,256

72,109

July, 1943

3,808

1,898

12

72

95

Aug.

319

105

4,219

180

122

2,037
1,909
1,955

68

118

6,432

361

119

129

239

50

114

366

7,232

130

176

109

54

100

294

148

120

2,134

332

44

111

402

6,952
6,989

216

130

2,050
2,082
2,757

45

39

108

164

7,541

356

140

114

42

125

308

153

117

184

38

127

332

182

107

6,718
7,138
7,518

Apr.

3,727

May

3,857

June

Total fiscal year 1943

85

Fiscal year 1944:
Sept.

4,036
4,142

Oct.
Nov.
Dec.

Jan., 1944
Feb.
Mar.

4,173
3,841

4,170
3,792

Apr.
May

June

Total fiscal year 1944

Includes functions presently classified as "War Activities*
Includes certain expendi tures of Federal Security Agency and Federal Works Agency, and expenditures of office for
Emergency Management, Selective Service, Aid to China, etc.

Includes supplemental items of $800 x for fiscal 2rd 1944 and $650 M for fiscal year 1945.
From 1945 Budget.

m Klatz 125
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

DWB

March 29, 1944
MEMORANDUM ON MEETING OF THE JOINT
COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

A meeting was called for 11:15 A.M., March 29. 1944, in the Senate
Appropriation Room in the Capitol. There were present:
Senators:
Byrd
George

Congressmen:
Woodrum

Cannon

Committee Staff:
Mr. Borda
Mr. Moore
One other

Bureau of the Budget:
Mr. Lawton.

Taber

Senator Byrd announced that the meeting was for the purpose of
considering a proposed report on unexpended balances. He also
announced that the preliminary draft had been changed so as to meet
the objections of the Secretary of the Treasury and to incorporate
the corrections which the Bureau of the Budget indicated were
necessary. Senator Byrd also indicated that Congressman Taber had
voiced some objection to the report.
Congressman Taber said that while he had certain criticisms to
direct to the report, they were not of major consequence but were

from the standpoint of clarification. He stated that certain of the

proposed recommendations were inappropriate because the matters which
were the subject of the recommendations were already being performed
by the Appropriations Committees. He objected to the second recommenda-

tion relating to the return of unobligated balances to the Treasury at
the end of each fiscal year and pointed out that it would involve a
great deal of additional work because it would be necessary for the

Congress to appropriate for thousands of audited claims allowed by the
General Accounting Office. Congressman Taber suggested certain
general changes which he thought should be incorporated in the report.
He pointed out that the unobligated balances shown in the tables as
of the end of January, 1944 were not significant because these

balances were necessary to cover activities to the and of the fiscal
year. He suggested that the tables be amended to show the estimated
unobligated balances which will be on hand at the end of the fiscal

FORDEFENSE year.

BUY
UNITED
STATES

BONDS

Congressmen Cannon indicated that in his opinion the proposed

report contained very serious and far-reaching indictments of the

126

-2activities of the House and Senate Appropriations Committees and

pointed out certain statements which he had in mind. Senator Byrd
agreed that the statements to which Congressman Cannon objected

would be eliminated. Congressman Cannon also called attention to
certain general statements in the proposed report and said in his
opinion the statements should be clarified and more definite recommendations made rather than to suggest changes by general comments.

Senator Byrd said that the report had not been prepared from the

standpoint of intending it to be a reflection on the Appropriations

Committees. There was a further general discussion that perhaps the
best approach would be to have a complete revision of the report
which could be presented to the members of the Committee for their

further consideration. It was suggested that the report be confined
more to factual details.
Senator George suggested that it might be well to wait until the

end of the fiscal year before filing a report on the subject of unex
pended balances, at which time such report could reflect the factual
situation as it would then exist. It was agreed that the suggestion
of Senator George be adopted and the proposed report be postponed

until after the end of the fiscal year.

Congressmen Woodrum and Cannon left the meeting at 12:00 o'clock.

There was a further general discussion between Senators Byrd and
George and Congressman Taber with respect to a suggested program for

the Committee's future activities. Congressman Taber indicated that

some work should be done on the War Shipping Administration and
Maritime Commission setup which he claimed to be very bad and pointed
out that these agencies were overstaffed with high paid personnel

which were doing practically nothing from day to day.

Senator Byrd indicated that the Committee should give some con-

sideration to the duplication and overlapping in labor activities.

He pointed out that there were 26 separate agencies now working on

functions relating to labor.

The Committee adjourned at 12:15 P.M.

not

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Farm fele

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON
SCHEEN

March 29, 1944
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Re: Possibilities for reduction
in governmental expenditures

The January budget shows that for the current fiscal year
ending June 30, 1944, total expenditures, excluding amounts neces-

sary to retire the market obligations of government corporations,
are estimated at $99.3 billion. It appears, however, that expen-

ditures for this year will be approximately $2.5 billion less than
such estimates, of which $1.9 billion is on account of regular war

activities and $.5 billion on account of war activities of the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation and its subsidiary corporations.

Unless expenditures for war activities continue at their

present rate the budget estimates of $99.8 billion for the fiscal
year 1945 may also be too high.

f

Fiscal Year

1944 1945
(In Billions)
Budget operations:
General -

War activities-

$7.5 $9.8
88.5 88.2

Corporate operations:

-2

General

War activities-

3.5

1.8

Total

$99.3

$99.8

PORDEFENSE

BUY

A general review of the estimates of expenditures for the

UNITED

STATES SOVINGS fiscal years 1944 and 1945, as shown in the 1945 Budget submitted

BONDS

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-2by the President in January, 1944, after consideration of subsequent
developments, indicates that there are a number of major programs,

excluding direct activities of the Army and Navy, where substantial
savings in anticipated cash expenditures (as distinguished from more

reductions in current appropriations) might be effected. Savings
from these programs in any magnitude would require the adoption of
major changes in policy. Even though immediate cuts are made in

these programs they would not be reflected in reductions in expenditures much before the fiscal year 1945 (beginning July 1, 1944).
These programs are as follows:
Estimates, 1945

(In Millions)

Reconstruction Finance Corporation
Defense Plant Corporation
Maritime Commission

Administrator of Civil Aeronautics
Federal Security Agency

Office of Education (defense training)Rural Electrification AdministrationFarm Security Administration
Farm Tenant loans -

(Not stated)
$4, 700.0
121.0
112.2
57.6
127.5
16.5

Agricultural programs

Exportation and domestic consumption

of agricultural commodities

Federal Works program

Public roads
Community facilities (defense)
Defense housing
Total

71.8

162.8
140.0
119.8

$5,629.2

No examination of expenditures for the direct war activities of the Army and Navy, and the related lend-lease program, or
the expenditures connected with subsidy operations, has been made
for the purpose of this memorandum.

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129

Reconstruction Finance Corporation
R.F.C.

Net expen-

ditures for
all purposes

R.F.C. transactions
for Defense Plant Corp.
Advances

(In Millions)

Repayments

Fiscal year 1941

$725

$141.8

$.7

1942

1,936
2,462
3,550
1,950

1,216.8
3,611.4

148.5
1,456.4

283
277

327.7
247.7
254.3
207.3
199.1
177.9
162.7
135.2

.

1944 (Estimated)
1945

Actual - July, 1943
If

Sept.
Oct.

If

Aug.

227
199

Nov.

249

Dec.

199

Jan.,

1944

Feb.

197
201

Defense Plant Corporation

(Not available)
.

#

1943

58.7
67.2
40.6
80.3
50.4
60.4
60.8
38.7

(In Millions)

Commitments through February 29, 1944
Commitments withdrawn and cancelled

$10,480
1,985

Net commitments
Gross disbursements

$ 8,495

Undisbursed commitments

6,682

$ 1,833

Comments

It will be observed from the foregoing that the greater part
of the net expenditures by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation have
been accounted for by transactions in connection with the Defense
Plant Corporation. Gross advances to the Defense Plant Corporation
reached their peak during the period January - July, 1943, when then
averaged $325 million per month. During the period December, 1943 February, 1944, they averaged $155 million per month. Total gross
advances to February 29, 1944 amounted to $6,682 million.

130

In addition to the outlays through Defense Plant Corporation
large expenditures for plant facilities have been made from appropriations of the War and Navy Departments and Maritime Commission.

It would appear that the need for additional facilities at
this stage of the war program could be reexamined with special

reference to the discontinuance of all new construction and the ourtailment of pending projects wherever possible without jeopardising

production of vital war material.

i

131

-5-

Maritime Commission

(In Millions)

Expenditures

Fiscal year 1938

1942

$1.2
43.8
98.8
51.3
929.5

1943

3,193.0

Estimated - 1944

4,500.0
4,700.0

1939
1940
1941

1945

#

#

#

.

Actual - July - Sept. 1943
Oct. - Dec. 1943
Jan. 1944
Feb. 1944

1,046
1,053
308
331

Expenditures for ship construction are expected to reach
$4,700 million in the fiscal year 1945. compared with Budget estimate of $4,500 million for the current year and comparable expendi-

tures of $3,193 million in 1943. The Independent Offices Appropriation Bill for 1945, as passed the House, includes an appropriation of
$6,766 million ($10 million less than the Budget request) for the
Construction Fund and contract authorizations of $5,700 million,
toward which $4,665 million is included in the amount appropriated.
These funds will become immediately available upon passage of the

appropriation bill and the contract authorization, according to the
Budget, will be practically entirely obligated before June 30, 1944.
This, of course, assumes final enactment considerably in advance of

June 30. The bill has reached the stage of debate in the Senate.

132

-6Comments

It will be noted that by the end of the present fiscal year
the Maritime Commission will have spent since the beginning of the

war about $8 billion for ship facilities and for the construction
of ships. In addition, #4-3/4 billion are estimated to be spent in
the next fiscal year.
In view of the great reduction in the number of cargo ships
lost as a result of enemy action, there may be some possibility of
slowing down the 1945 ship construction program.

The military and naval authorities probably contend that

all ship construction facilities should be operated at full capacity
because a large reserve of ships are needed to avoid any critical
situation in the event the enemy should launch a successful campaign
by sea or air in which large numbers of cargo ships may be destroyed.
It would seem that substantial sums may be saved from this

source without risk of adverse effect upon our military operations.
A 10% reduction in projected expenditures, for example, would amount

to $450 million.

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-Administration of Civil Aeronautics

(In Millions)

Expenditures

Fiscal year 1938

$10.1
18.4
25.3
52.9
127.1
222.9

1939
1940

.

1941
1942
1943

Estimates - 1944

272.0
126.2

1945

N

The program of the Administration of Civil Aeronautics, as
indicated by estimates of expenditures in the 1945 Budget, is as
follows:

Estimated Estimated Actual Actual
1943 1942
1944
1945

Establishment of air-navigation

facilities

Maintenance of air-navigation

facilities

Civilian pilot training
(National defense)

Development of landing areas for
National defense

Development of Civil landing areas Working fund from War & Navy for

training courses
All other
Total

$6.0

$14.0

$10.2

$7.9

23.0

21.0

22.1

15.1

9.5

45.3

50.5

29.0

75.0

140.0

112.4

67.9

5.0

.5

-

45.0

19.1

7.7

6.2

8.6

$126.2

$272.0

-

-

-

7.2

$222.9 $127.1

Comments

(a) Landing areas

It will be noted from the foregoing table that approximately
$320 millions are scheduled as expenditures on account of "development

134
g-

of landing areas for national defense" during the three-year period
ending on June 30, 1944. In addition, $75 million are estimated to be
spent for this purpose in 1945.

One of the reasons for the establishment of the program for
development of landing areas was to provide landing fields for use of
airplanes for emergency defense purposes in the event of attack. The

development of the war indicates that the probability of direct attack
on the continental United States on any large scale by enemy forces
is remote.

In view of this situation, the need for the continuation of
this program for military purposes would seem to be unnecessary. If

the program is justified from the standpoint of benefit also to commercial aviation, it would seem that it could be postponed until after
the termination of the war.

(b) Pilot training
The Budget indicates that the civilian pilot training program
payable from direct appropriations to the Administration of Civil Aeronautics will be curtailed in 1945. This is because the authorization
to make appropriation to Administrator of Civil Aeronautics expires

in the fiscal year 1944. However, it will be noted that a large
training program is carried on payable from funds transferred from
the War and Navy Departments. It may be contemplated that this

program will be continued in 1945 from funds to be transferred from
War and Navy Departments.

Since this program appears to be tied in closely with direct
military operations, no attempt has been made to evaluate its necessity.

135

-9Federal Security Agency. Office of Education

Expenditures (In millions)
Office of

National Youth

Administration

Education
$26.8
27.7
27.8
88.8
141.2
162.5
130.7

Fiscal year 1938
1939
1940

"

.

1941

#

1942

#

1
1943

.

1944 (Estimated)
#

"

1945

-

-

$51.2
78.1
94.6
136.4
129.5
58.5

- 1/112,2

.

Includes $10 million under pending supplemental estimate.

1

A breakdown of estimated expenditures contained in the 1945

Budget, including supplemental estimate and actual expenditures for
1942 and 1943, is as follows:
Estimated Estimated Actual Actual
1945

Further endowment of colleges of
agriculture and the mechanic arts

Promotion of vocational education
(permanent appropriation)

Other

$2.5

1.2

3.9

2.6

2.6

2.6

.5

.4

-,2

.4

(1)

(1)

(1)

2.7

14.0

14.0

13.7

13.4

7.0

7.0

7.1

6.8

.5

.5

.5

.6

82.0
2.0

100.0

131.2

111.3

1.1

1.5
1.1

1.2

1,0

-$112.2

$130.7

$162.5

$141.2

Cooperative vocational rehabilitation
education

(In millions)
$2.5

Loans to students (national defense) Colleges for agriculture and the
mechanic arts (permanent appropriation) 2.6

Further development of vocational

1942

1943

$2.5

$2.5
-

Miscellaneous items
Vocational education:

1944

-

National defense:

Education and training, defense
workers

Visual aids for war training
Salaries and expenses
Total

(1) Now included under "Office of Administrator".

-

136

- 10 It can be seen that of the programs administered by the

Office of Education, the one involving the greatest cost is that for
education and training of defense workers. Expenditures for the
fiscal years 1941 through 1943, under this program were as follows:
1941

1942
1943

$45.4
111.3
131.2

The training project is carried on through payments to
states and other subdivisions and certain schools. A breakdown of
Budget estimates for 1944 and 1945 is as follows:
1945

1944

(1) Vocational courses of less
than college grade (courses supple-

mentary to employment in occupations

essential to the national defense,

including certain pre-employment and
refresher courses)

45.0

66.0

(2) Short courses of college
grade (designed to meet the shortage of engineers, chemists, physicists, and production supervisors)

25.0

19.0

12.0

12.5

(3) Vocational courses in food
production and conservation, etc.
(Farm machinery repaid and farm
labor training designed to give
general pre-employment mechanical

training and to assist in attaining
food production goals)

Comments

The National Youth Administration reached its peak in expen-

ditures in the fiscal year 1941, namely, $136 million. In the fiscal
year 1942 that agency shifted its program to national defense training,
its expenditures amounting to $130 million. In the meantime, the Office
of Education increased its expenditures under the impetus of national defense training from $28 million in 1939 and 1940 to $141 million in 1942.

- 11 -

137

On November 14, 1941, the Secretary of the Treasury sub-

mitted to the Joint Committee on Reduction of Nonessential Federal
Expenditures a number of economy suggestions, among which he included

the following statement with respect to agencies engaged in vocational

activities:

"It would seem that the regular activities
of the Civilian Conservation Corps and National
Youth Administration must conflict with the
more important defense program, and should be

eliminated or drastically reduced.

"It is suggested that all vocational
training activities be consolidated in a new

Bureau of Defense Training. Any overlapping
functions or duplication of work could be

eliminated and one comprehensive training
program, integrated with the defense program,
could be formulated and administered more
economically than appears possible under the
present organizations."

Subsequently, the National Youth Administration was abolished

in 1943, at which time the expenditures of the Office of Education
reached their peak of $162 million, or an amount equivalent to its
pre-war expenditures, plus the peak expenditures of the National Youth

Administration. Estimated expenditures of the Office of Education are
$102 million greater in 1944 and $85 million greater in 1945 than its
pre-war program. These increases are on account of education and
training of defense workers.
It would appear that employment in war industries has about
reached its maximum level. Under these circumstances a greater reduction

in 1945 expenditures for this purpose than is anticipated in the 1945
Budget would seem possible.

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138

Rural Electrification Administration
Expenditures
General
Budget

R.F.C.
Funds

(In millions)
$10.3
15.2
37.7
38.0
24.2

1938

#

1939

.

1940

.

.

1941

.

1942

9.1
4.0

1943

.

"

"

.

$138.5

Estimated - 1944

3.6

- 1945

32.6

-

$46.5
100.0
-

Fiscal Year 1936 & 1937-

36.0
54.0
13.5
$250.0
10.5
25.0

If

R.F.C.

In addition to loans and expenditures authorized from appropriated funds under the budget, the R. F. C. has been authorized from

time to time to advance moneys for making rural electrification loans,
as follows:
Fiscal Year 1943
Fiscal Year 1942
Fiscal Year 1941

Prior years-

$10,000,000
-

- 100,000,000
- 100,000,000
- 146,500,000
$356,500,000

Practically all expenditures of the Rural Electrification
Administration through the fiscal year 1943 were for loans and the
purchase of property in accordance with the Rural Electrification Act
of May 20, 1936.

It will be noted that up to June 30, 1943. about $138.5
million had been expended from appropriated funds. During this time
collections returned to the Treasury amounted to $1,167,000 of which

139
- 13 $439,000 was on account of interest and $728,000 on account of

principal. In addition to expenditures from appropriated funds
$250.0 million were expended from R. F. C. funds, of which
$18,400,000 has been repaid on principal, in addition to the payment

of current interest due on the R. F. C. advances.
Comments

During the fiscal year 1943 and 1944 the Rural Electrification program was curtailed because of the limitation on the use

of copper and other critical materials. There appears to be a substantial increase contemplated in expenditures for 1945.

The fact that the Rural Electrification Administration has
operated during the past two years with average expenditures of $15.0

million per year, while at the same time its collections have amounted
to more than $15.0 million per year, would seem to indicate that its
program could be further suspended until after the termination of
the war.

140

- 14 Farm Security Administration
FARM TENANT ACT

Farm Security

General R.F.C.
Budget

Expenditures (in millions)
Fiscal year 1938 1939

If

1940

"
"

.

"

.

1941

.

1942
1943

Funds

$180.1
183.6
158.5
62.2
78.8
61.6

$-

$724.8
37.0
28.5

Farm Tenant

General R.F.C.
Funds

Budget

$-

$3.1

-

-

111.3
123.7
97.3

26.6
41.8
27.3

-

-

6.1

29.4
51.3

4.3

27.1

$332.3

$109.2

$107.8

67.5

1.5
1.5

30.0

If

If

Estimates

Fiscal year 1944
1945

1 97.5

15.0

.

1 The Department of Agriculture Appropriation Bill,

1945, as reported by the House Appropriation Committee on March 21, 1944, does not include any funds
for the Farm Security Administration, since there

is pending a bill to reorganize the agency.

Comments

It will be noted that in the six years ending June 30, 1943.
the Farm Security Administration spent more than $1 billion, primarily
for Rural Rehabilitation loans and grants, and during the same period
about $200 million were spent for farm tenant loans. Expenditures

for the current fiscal year are estimated at $105 million by the
Farm Security Administration and $32 million for farm tenant loans.
During the period 1938-1943 about $88 million was repaid

to the Treasury on account of principal and interest on rural rehabilitation loans and about $186 million was repaid to the R.F.O. on the

principal of its advances in addition to current interest payments.
Similar receipts from farm tenant loans amounted to $1 million and

$12 million, respectively.

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- 15 In view of the general improvement in farm conditions
and the income of farmers, it would appear that substantial our-

tailment of these programs would be possible. It will be noted
that the House Appropriation Committee has temporarily deferred
reporting any 1945 appropriations for the Farm Security Administra-

tion until the Congress acts upon a pending bill to reorganize
that agency.

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- 16 Food Distribution Administration
Exportation and domestic consumption of agricultural
commodities, Sec. 32, Act of August 24, 1935.
Permanent

Total

Expenditures (in millions)
Fiscal year 1937
1938
1939
1940
1941

1942
1943

1944 (Estimated) 1945

-

$35.2
35.0
210.5
143.6
223.4
196.3
112.9
91.0
71.8

Appropriation,
30% of Customs
$35.2
35.0
210.5
73.0
93.8
85.2
55.6
70.0
70.0

#
#

.
.

.
N

.

.
#

Program authorized

Sec. 32 of the Act of Aug. 24, 1935 (7 U.S.C. 612c), appropriates for each fiscal year an amount equal to 30 per centum of the
gross receipts from duties collected under the customs laws during

the period Jan. 1 to Dec. 31, both inclusive, preceding the beginning of each such fiscal year, to be used by the Secretary of
Agriculture to (1) encourage the exportation of agricultural commodities and products thereof by the payment of benefits in connection

with the exportation thereof or of indemnities for losses incurred
in connection with such exportation or by payments to producers in

connection with the production of that part of any agricultural commodity required for domestic consumption; (2) encourage the domestic
consumption of such commodities or products by diverting them, by
the payment of benefits or indemnities or by other means, from the
normal channels of trade and commerce; and (3) reestablish farmers'
purchasing power by making payments in connection with the normal

production of any agricultural commodity for domestic consumption.

143

- 17 In addition to the permanent appropriation authorized
under Sec. 32, the Congress has appropriated additional amounts

for expenditure pursuant to Sec. 32.

The activities under this expenditure caption, as indicated in the estimates of expenditures contained in the annual
Budgets, are as follows:
1945

1944

1943

1942

1941

$49.2

$114.2

$83.5

Food stamp plan, redemption payments

-

-

$10.0

$12.0

6.6

42.6

84.2

-

7.0

13.3

12.4

9.1

16.0

Purchase of agricultural commodi-

ties for distribution through

State welfare agenciesEncouragement of export of agricultural commodities program
payments-

Diversion of agricultural commodities to by products and
new uses

13.3

13.6

13.2

50.0
3.3

50.0
3.8

15.3

Maintenance and operation of

school milk and lunch programAdministration, etc.

Other

-

-

-

-

.1

6.6
1.0

20.2

$223.4

6.3

Cotton stamp plan, redemption
payments

Adjustments to expenditure figures-

-

-

-4.8

+11.6

+15.2

3.5
+5.9

$71.8

$91.0

$112.9

$196.3

-

6.7
-

+.4

Comments

The House Appropriation Committee on March 21, 1944, in re-

porting the 1945 Department of Agriculture Appropriation bill eliminated
the $50 million authorization for the school milk and lunch program

and also provided a direct appropriation of $40 million in lieu of
diverting a like amount from the permanent annual appropriation to
the soil conservation program.

144

- 18 The permanent annual appropriation of 30% of customs

receipts estimated to be available for 1945 is $117 million. Ina smuch as the school milk and lunch program has been terminated

by action of the House of Representatives, there are only about
$25 million of regular expenditures scheduled in the 1945 Budget
for payment from this source.
It would appear that the balance of the permanent appro-

priation could be placed in Budget reserves by direction of the
President, thus about $90 million could be saved.

145
- 19 Public Roads (Highways, roads, streets, etc.)

Expenditures (in millions)
Public Roads

Administration

Fiscal Year

Public Works Ad-

Emergency

Relief Act

ministration Act

Total

1932

$185

$-

$-

1933

165

-

-

193

255

-

-

1935

307

-

-

1936

231

414

1937

341

611

1938

223

515

1939

191

886

47

1,124

1940

165

568

51

784

1941

1942

174
168

460
248

-

416

1943-

218

-

-

218

1944 (Estimated)
1945 (Estimated)

247
163

$185
165
255
307

645

-

952

-

738

-

659

25

-

-

-

-

247
163

The program of the Public Roads Administration as shown by

the 1945 Budget, is as follows:
Public Roads Administration - Regular
Federal-Aid Highway system

1945

1944

1943

$46.0

$43.3

$66.0

5.0

6.0

6.6

8.0

8.7

13.4

Federal-Aid secondary or
feeder roads

Elimination of grade crossings
Mt. Vernon Memorial HighwayPublic-land highways

Flight strips (National Defense)

Strategic highways network (National
Defense).

Access roads (National Defense)
Surveys and plans (National Defense) Inter-American Highway

Working fund (defense aid)

Other

Total

.1

-

1942
$107.1
16.0
26.0
-

-

.2

.3

.2

.8

$59.2

$58.4

$86.3

$150.0

$ - $ 5.4
20.0
58.0
5.0

11.5
4.4
4.7
$103.6

10.0
100.0
3.0
11.6
49.0
9.2
$188.2

$ 4.6
-

90.7
-

2.7

30.8

$

-

10.1
-

-

-

2.9

7.0

$131.7

$18.1

$162.8 $246.6 $218.0 $168.1

146

- 20 Comments

It will be noted that while the regular program has been

substantially curtailed from the pre-war (fiscal year 1942) level,
expenditures for 1943 and 1944 have been higher than those for 1942

because of the roads being constructed for National defense purposes. Even the 1945 estimates about equal expenditures for 1942.
The net curtailment in expenditures for highways, roads,

streets, etc. since the beginning of the war, has been brought about
through the discontinuance of the Work Projects Administration

147

- 21 War Housing and War Public Works (Community Facilities)
Community

War Housing

(millions)
Expenditures

Fiscal year 1941
1942
1943

42.0
301.6
635.9

Facilities
-

34.1

108.5

If

Estimated Expenditures

Fiscal year 1944
1945

539.6

1/ 119.8

130.0

1 140.0

.

#

1 Reflects expenditures from supplemental appropriations amounting to $7.5 million for War
Housing and $127.5 million for Community Facilities, as passed by the House.

Total authorizations amount to $1,500 million for war housing,
excluding temporary shelters, and $520 million for community facilities. Taking into account supplemental appropriations now pending,

unappropriated authorizations are $142 million and $25 million, respectively.
Comments

War Housing

The House Appropriations Committee, in considering the

First Deficiency Appropriation Bill, 1944 (Reported March 7. 1944)
pointed out that the total war housing program has approximated $6

billion, of which $4 billion has been through private sources and
$2 billion by Government funds. The Committee stated that the programing and assignment of housing has passed the peak, this being

borne out by the expenditure estimates shown above. The necessity

remains of providing for shifting conditions in connection with manpower and production changes and the necessities arising in connec-

tion with areas around military and naval stations.

148

- 22 The Budget does not include a request for new appropria-

tions for the fiscal year 1945.
Community Facilities

These facilities consist of schools, child-care centers,
hospitals, sewage systems, roads and streets, etc., necessary to
prevent impairment of community operations where there has been a

large influx of war workers. The program of construction projects
is now on a diminishing scale while the necessity for maintenance

and operation of projects is increasing.
No new appropriations are requested in the Budget for the
fiscal year 1945.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
OFFICE OF THE UNDER SECRETARY

To

The 4% soldier deposit fund is only
for enlisted men. The amount
increased from $28,897,000 in July
1943 to $63,481,000 in March 1944.
The number of accounts increased from
157,626 on July 1, 1943 to
266,818 on March 1, 944.

These deposits carry restrictions
as to withdrawal. They cannot be
withdrawn except in emergency upon

approval of commanding officer.
Otherwise they must be left on deposit

until separation from the service.

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March 29, 1944

My dear Governor Stainback:

I wish to take this opportunity to congretulate
the people of Hawaii on the first anniversary of the
organization of their "Work to Win" Committee. Reports have reached me which indicate that this Committee has been of great benefit in the War Finance Pro-

gram. This work has been so ably carried on in Hawaii
that all quotas assigned have been oversubscribed in
good measure. I hope that the success which has

attended your efforts will encourage a vigorous contin-

uation of this great project.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) H. Morganthes, Jr.

The Honorable Ingram M. Stainback,
Governor of Hawaii.

RWC:EN:deb

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March 29, 1944

Dear Dr. King:

I have just learned that you are letting us have

Peter Odegard to handle a very important assignment.

When I discussed this with Peter, I volunteered
to write you about it but he requested that I do nothing

until after he had had an opportunity to talk to you.

You know, of course, how much fine work he has done for

us, and I feel that you and all your associates at the
college can be proud of the contribution that he has

made to our wartime financing program.

The task that he is now undertaking is one that

can only be done adequately by him, and we at the

Treasury are most appreciative of your gracious willingness to help us in our work. I understand that we are
to have him only until September 1st.
With all good wishes, I am,
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) H. Morgentham, J1

Dr. Stanley King, President,
Amheret College,

Springfield, Massachusetts.
Amherst

TRG:hsh

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

March 29, 1944

Miss Chauncey
FROM Kay Alger

Mr. Paul thought the Secretary might like to
read the letter from Senator George.

Kay alger
Attachment

AGE CHAIRMAN
ROBERT APOLLETTE m. wis

153

ARTHUR M. MICH.

TEX

CLARK

JAMES DAVIS PA.

HENRY CASOT LODGE m.
JOHN DANAMER CONN

MASS.

United States Senate

ROBERT TAFT. JOHN THOMAS. IDAND
HUGH BUTLER. NEW

COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

SUSENS D. MILLION COLD

March 27, 1944

CHRISTIN . KENNEDY CLERK

Honorable Randolph Paul

United States Treasury
Washington, D. C.

Dear Mr. Paul:

I sincerely appreciate your letter of
March 25.

The kindness and courtesy you have shown

me since your connection with the Treasury and your
patience and willingness to work with the Committee
have made our association most pleasant. On some

questions of policy we have differed, but I question
whether our differences have been so great upon the

underlying and basic theory of taxation as disagreement over some particular recommendation might indicate.
I have always regarded you as honorable and

fair and I wish for you continued happiness and success.
Sincerely yours,

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san
March 29, 1944
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY
From:

Mr. Blough

Subject: Taxes.

to

(For your information; no action
required)

1. The Ways and Means Committee met from 2 p.m.
4 p.m. today. The Committee discussed methods of

revising the dates for filing and of amending declar-

ations of estimated income tax but reached no conclusions.

2. The Ways and Means Committee is to meet again
at 10:30 tomorrow (Thursday) to resume the discussion

of declarations and to consider the problem of treating
the income of dependents. These are the two remaining

undecided points in the simplification plans under consideration by the Committee.

3. On March 27 the House passed H. R. 3592, the

so-called O'Hara Bill. This bill has the effect of

restricting state taxation of a Federal employee to
taxation by the state of "domicile." Thus an employee
domiciled in Ohio, living in Maryland, and working in
the District of Columbia could be taxed only by Ohio,
which at the present time has no income tax. The

Treasury reported in opposition to this bill.

RB

154-A

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

March 29, 1944
TO

Mr. Thompson

FROM

Mrs. Doyle

Subject: Visit to the Bureau of the Public Debt, Chicago,
Illinois, March 21 to 25. 1944.
I.

General Information
A. Number of Employees:

7224 people in all, of which 6651 are women and

1084 are negroes

B. Number of Buildings:

1. Merchandise Mart

The main office of the Bureau of the Public Debt is
on the 6th floor of the Merchandise Mart. The Bureau's
activities are housed on 8 separate floors of the building.

2. Furniture Mart
The Bureau of the Public Debt occupies space on 3

floors and will soon occupy space on the first floor.

3. Nash Building
This building houses the printed material and mailing

lists for the War Bond Drives. It is constructed with

ramps and delivery trucks haul all material to each of
the 3 floors by use of the ramps. At present about 300
people are employed there, but during War Bond Drives
several hundred more are added.

This building has no elevator and the steps are steep.

A request for an elevator is in, I understand.
C. Volume of Work:

The volume of work is immense. The file is, according to
Mr. Sloan, the largest in the world. 300,000,000 cards, flowing
at the rate of 1,000,000 a day, was the record of 1943. The

classification, sorting. filing, microfilming, of all records of

War Bonds purchased. Series E, F. and G. the ledger books thereon
the checking of War Savings Stamps, the disposal under constant

official supervision of cancelled stamps and bonds, represent a
flow of work that has to be seen to be believed. The Fourth
War Bond Drive sales have not yet reached the Chicago office,
but when they arrive. the work will be substantially increased.

The Nash Building handled 95,000,000 pieces of literature durthe Third War Bond Drive, and continuously maintains the conprehensive ing sailing lists. Mr. Owner, the manager of the building.

does . resariable job of organization.

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II. Administration
The fact that the functions of the Public Debt are carried on in three

separate buildings, considerably apart from each other, and on floors
and parts of floors in broken sequence, make many problems of administra
tion. A large force of guards is necessary to control entrance to the
various offices. If everything could be housed in one building, many
administrative problems would be solved.
More space is badly needed in the Merchandise Mart and condemnation

proceedings will doubtless obtain it. This will necessitate the moving
of several tenants and they, naturally, will not like it. Other Government Departments, including the Interior Department, are housed in the
Merchandise Mart. They have generous space for their rather limited
activities and the condemnation proceedings may bring out that fact.

Mr. Sloan is personally very active in visiting all the buildings. On

my trip through with him I saw that he was thoroughly conversant with
even minor details of administration.
III. Working Conditions

A. Light and Air
Partitions in the roome of all the buildings have been torn out
and work is done in huge rooms. Because these were display rooms
there are large windows both on the exterior walls and on the

corridor sides, The walls are all being painted a pale green. The
executive office on each floor is in the back thus giving to the
workers the maximum of light and air. The ceiling lights are
numerous.

The windows are opened 5 minutes at intervals for ventilation.
This procedure unfortunately cannot be always followed in the

Furniture Mart as the wind from the lake is too strong. There is

very little air-conditioning.

The program of making over these floors into effective working
space has been a difficult one but the resulting work rooms are

excellent.

B. Facilities for Eating

1. Merchandise Mart

This building has canteens on the 4th, 7th and 17th floors
There are also located in the building 4 public cafeterias
to which the Treasury employees may go.

These canteens serve coffee, soft drinks, sandwiches and
such. They have very limited space at present, but when the

additional space is acquired on the 4th or 7th floors, tables
will be put in and employees can have the opportunity to
relax at meals.
2. Furniture Mart

A cafeteria will be built in the additional space on the
let floor. At present they have only canteen with tables.

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3. Nash Building

Hot food is brought into the building in trucks.
There are several restaurants nearby so canteen facilities

are not needed.

C. Rooms for Women Employees

There are an adequate number of lavatories for women
employees. One woman is employed to make the rounds to see if
they are clean and to watch for problems connected with smoking.

The smoking is a real problem. No smoking is permitted
anywhere in the three buildings because of the nature of the
work: handling so many valuable records. Smoking is done,
therefore, in the lavatories and there is a great amount of it.
Mr. Sloan has a definite program planned to meet this
problem. As he gets new space he plans to open up small
recreation rooms for women smokers. This will not only provide
relaxation but will curb the present practice where rest rooms
are really smoking rooms. Until he can get such a program in
operation he would like to have a couple of women guards who
could police the rest rooms to curb careless smoking.
D. Emergency Rooms and Nursing Service

1. Emergency Rooms are located in each building. The nurses
are employed by the Bureau of the Public Debt.

Nurses are on duty to cover all shifts. The rooms are
good, and privacy for treatment is afforded through use
of screens.

There is no doctaF_Rint patients are sent to a Civil
Service doctor, and in cases of emergency, to a doctor
who has his office in the Furniture Mart.
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2. Nursery Program

Miss Anderson, the chief nurse, is a progressive person.
She has one visiting nurse who visits homes and advises
the employee on any home condition that should be
corrected.

In one section a serious bed-bug situation was controlled
by two measures. First, the room was fumigated by experts
in that work, and second, after this fumigation each employee had to be examined before he or she could return to
work. Each supervisor led the line of her employees. 4
or 5 were found to be carriers of the pests and these were

instructed in proper procedure to get rid of them. Their

homes were visited, and they were instructed in how to rid
their homes of the pests.

154 - D
E. Items under consideration by Mr. Sloan further to improve working
conditions and relieve tension from monotonous work
1. Calisthenics once a day for 5 minutes in large work rooms
when windows are open.

2. Trial use for 90 days of piped in music in the large work rooms
3. Radios in canteens.
IV. Conference with Mr. Willard Scott, Chief of Personnel and the Employee
Relations Section

A. Recruitment and Placement Section
1. A Civil Service Commission employee works on the premises to
process appointments.

2. The new employees are met at the train and taken to their
living quarters. The Bureau of the Public Debt has several
rooming houses and 5 hotel rooms are kept for Treasury recruits.
3. An "orientation course" of a day or a day and a half is given
each employee by this Section. This includes:
1. Induction

First Day

2. Lunch

3. History of the Treasury
4. Safety Film or War Effort Film
5. Blue Book entitled "Information for
Employees" is given out. (Supply now
exhausted. They would like a new edition)
Also city maps and city recreational

activities.

Second Day 1. Review of preceding day including a quiz
on the History of the Treasury.
2. Explanation of paydays, Credit Union, etc.
3. Request for suggestions on how the orientation course can be improved.
4. Placement by Mr. Chrissie,
4. After 60 days the new employee returns to the Recruitment
Section. for advice or to make suggestions.

B. In-Service Training
1. Classes on typing are given for 3 hours a day. These classes
will shortly be reduced to 1 hour a day.
2. A special pamphlet has been prepared for employees of the Stub

Files. A copy is attached. This was prepared to impress these
file employees with the importance of their work. Although
their work is motiotonous, it is of course very important.
3. Special Training Course on Letter Writing:
Mr. Earle A. Buckley, a professional specialist on letter
writing, comes StoChicago from Philadelphia during one week

eachmonth. He gives a course in letter writing from Tuesday
through Friday to 50 especially selected girls.
20H

Mr. Sloan instituted this course because he thinks that the
importance of good letters cannot be over-emphasized in the
business of retaining all the customers for War Bonds.

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C. Employee Relations Section

This is composed of an Acting Chief, Mrs. Rose, a Mrs. Fugitt,

Mr. Landvoight and a Negro, Mrs. Grant.

1. All exit interviews are handled by the Employee Relations
Section.

2. Mrs. Grant handles cases as they come to her, not just Negro
cases.

3. They work closely with the nurses.
4. They have not yet been able to do much about the care of
children of working mothers.
D. Absenteeism

A special committee of 3 section managers is working with Mr.
Scott on the problems of absentees. The rate is about 12%.
E. Personnel Conferences

Mr. Scott holds regular staff conferences with the personnel
people in each section.

V.

Special Activities
I talked with Miss Epps, Administrative Assistant to Mr. Sloan.
1. Red Cross

Miss Epps works with the Red Cross Unit of the Merchandise
Mart. She sends to them Treasury employees who wish to do

knitting, sewing, etc. She also arranges for blood donors.
2. Posters on Absenteeism

Miss Epps is working with a young employee who formerly worked
with Walt Disney in the hope of obtaining some good posters for
display.

3. Miss Epps organized Christmas V-mail letters to all former
employees who are now in the service. 400 were sent and the

answers reflect the appreciation of the men in the service.
VI. Special Situations

1. Union C. I. 0.)

a. The present leader within the Bureau of the Public Debt is
a colored man named Anglin. The officials feel he has poor
judgment. Although no figures are given out, officials
estimate the number in the Union to be 150.

8. Mr. Elkins, Chicago leader of the C. I. O. is, in the opinion
of the officials, fair. He asked to have the C. I. 0. meetings
within the building, but the request was refused on "Treasury
policy".

c. At present there are no unusual problems with the Union.

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2. Negro Situation
At the present time there is no problem. Mr. Sloan confers
often with Negro leaders of his own personal acquaintance.

VII. General Conclusion

Throughout this report I have indicated the plans that Mr. Sloan
discussed with me for the betterment of employees under his direction.
He is aware of the problems and has progressive, well-thought out plans
to meet them in every case.
Mr. Sloan, in my opinion, has done a note-worthy job in the face of
many difficulties since he arrived in Chicago in July, 1943. I am
confident that with his ingenuity, drive and genuine interest in the

well-being of all his fellow workers, he will carry to a successful
conclusion the program he has planned.

154-Glub
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
FISCAL SERVICE
CHICAGO. ILL

OF THE PUBLIC DEBT
CURRENCY

CHICAGO BRANCH

MERCHANDISE MART

February, 1944

To Employees in Stub Assignment Subunit:

Subject: Filing and Indexing

The purpose of this manual is to explain briefly the
principles of filing and indexing as applying to the particular
filing and searching problems in our Stub Files.
For the year 1943. we estimate there will be about
300 million cards (stubs) which must be arranged in strictly
alphabetic order and maintained that way at all times for the
convenience of those who must locate the records of any War Bond
purchases.

This is a big job. It is the largest card file in

existence. No group of people has ever before had the tremendous
responsibility of creating such an enormous file. or maintaining
one representing such valuable data, involving the investments of
nearly every family in the United States.
With so many hundreds of people filing and searching

in this file, we must all have the same rules to follow. The
principles of filing must be the same in every part of the file.
There must be no exceptions.

It is your personal responsibility to go over this

explanation carefully and understand each phase of filing and
indexing thoroughly so that you can cooperate to the fullest

extent of your ability to make our Stub File a perfect file. as
well as the largest one in the world.
Sincerely yours.

HI Dean
Assistant Manager

Registration and Retirement Section

called index guides. - - find any card without searching through a whole drawer

and to file cards accurately in the least time.
The special indexing designed for our Stub File has
been made as simple as possible - it is easy to set up

a Surname Guide to mark where the first card
name is, and a red tab Back Guide to show where

-

cards or stubs into small groups, to make it easy to

last card of that name is.

Surname Guides for all common names are provided

are ready to be filed. we shall typewrite head

in the files and it is easy to understand, so stub

for additional names later, and thus we shall have
index guide for every name that needs indexing.

assignment clerks should have little trouble in filing
accurately and rapidly, and the searchers will be able
to find stubs quickly.

It is quite important that for every Surname
there must be a red tab Back Guide, filed back

last stub of that name.

I

A red-tabbed Back Guide

Surname Guide

I
G

Subdividing stubs by first names.
Surnames which will eventually occupy one or two file
drawers are provided with sets of 30-division made-to-

order First Name index guides as illustrated on the
opposite page. Some of the guides are merely first
initials, some are for fullfirst names, and other are
for the first two or three letters of first names.

AS these guides are filed you will notice that the
stubs are quite evenly subdivided. and reference to any
common first name is quite rapid and easy.

Indexing the Adams stubs.
On pages 4 and 5 is a chart showing how large
like Adams are indexed. Study that chart thorough
and understand the purpose of each guide. if

this you will discover that filing and finding
will be quite easy. even when there are #
more drawers of the same name.

The same basic incipies of indexing apply
sections of the file. regardless of whether #

is divided by only 30 guides or as fully as -

30-division First Name Index
William

Abbe

W

Abbe

T

Abbe

Abbe

S

Robert

Abbe

R

Abbe

P

Abbe

N

Abbe

Mary

Abbe

M

Abbe

LI

Abbe

L

Abbe

Jos

Abbe

John

Abbe
Abbe

J

Abbe

I

He

Abbe

H

Abbe

Ger

Abbe

G

Abbe
Abbe

F

Er

Abbe

El

Abbe

E

Abbe

D

Abbe

CI

Abbe

Charles

Abbe

c

Abbe

B

Abbe
An

Abbe

Abbe

This is typical of indexing for a name which will occupy one or
two file drawers when all stubs for the year are filed

How the Adams Stubs Are Indexed
Zi

Zell
Z

X-Y

Read chart from bottom

Adams

This page illustrates all

Adams
Adams
Adams

phases of indexing and is

typical of all indexing of
surnames which will occupy

100 file drawers when all
the stubs for the year have
been filed.

John Will
John Wa

Adams
Adams

Read chart from bottom.
S

L

John W

D

Adams

Towns

Towns
Towns

John William Adams, etc.
John Walter Adams, John Ward Adams
John W. Adams

John A

John

Adams
S

Towns

Beginning of John A. Adams

L

Towns

FROM SALINA, SAN FRANCISCO. etc.
FROM LANCASTER. LOS ANGELES. etc
FROM DANVILLE, DENVER. etc.

D

Adams

Towns

John Adams, no middle initial
Bart

Adams

Barbara J
Barbara A
Barbara

Adams
Adams
Adams

Av

Adams
Adams

Anstin

Adame

End of Barbara Adams
Barbara A. Adams

Barbara Adams, no middle initial
BEGINNING OF FULL FIRST NAMES SUCH AS BAB. etc.

B. Adams, with no full first name
Avery Adams, Avis Adams, etc.

Watch Out For These Discrepancies
THE FOLLOWING DISCREPANCIES MUST BE CLEARED BEFORE STUBS ARE NSERTED IN THE FILES:

1. REGISTRATION IN ANY FORM OTHER THAN IN THE NAME OF AN
INDIVIDUAL. IN THE NAMES OF TWO PERSONS AS CO-OWNERS. IN

11. REGISTRATION IN THE NAMES OF TWO PERSONS WHERE ONLY ONE

SURNAME IS GIVEN: FOR INSTANCE. MR. JOHN J. OR MRS.

THE NAME OF AN INDIVIDUAL PAYABLE ON DEATH TO A SINGLE
BENEFICIARY. OR IN THE NAME OF AN INDIVIDUAL PAYABLE ON
DEATH TO THE TREASURER OF THE UNITED STATES.

EMMA M. SMITH*.

12. REGISTRATION IN THE NAMES OF MORE THAN TWO PERSONS. OR
REGISTRATION FROM WHICH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE

2. REGISTRATION IN WHICH ANYTHING OTHER THAN A NATURAL

WHETHER THE NAMES OF MORE THAN TWO PERSONS WERE

PERSON IS DESIGNATED AS BENEFICIARY OR CO-OWNER; FOR

INTENDED.

INSTANCE. "SAMUEL C. SMITH. PAYABLE ON DEATH TO PRINCETON

UNIVERSITY". (EXCEPT THAT REGISTRATION IN THE FORM "A.

13. REGISTRATION IN THE NAMES OF TWO INDIVIDUALS WHERE THE

INTEREST OF EITHER IS IN DOUBT: FOR INSTANCE. "MISS

PAYABLE ON DEATH TO THE TREASURER OF THE UNITED STATES*

EUNICE M. SMITH OR SURVIVOR, MISS EDNA M. JONES". OR

IS SATISFACTORY).

"MISS MARIA J. WRIGHT OR MRS. ALICE G. WRIGHT, IF
SURVIVOR* OR "JOHN J. JONES OR MISS MARY M. JONES.

3. CITY OR STATE OMITTED FROM THE ADDRESS. (EXCEPT THAT THE

BENEFICIARY".

STATE "NEW YORK" MAY BE OMITTED IF THE CITY GIVEN IS
"NEW YORK CITY").

14. REGISTRATION OF SEVERAL BONDS IN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
NAMES, OR WITH AN APPARENT MISSPELLING IN ONE NAME OR

4. (a) ADDRESS OF A SOLE OWNER. EITHER OR BOTH CO-OWNERS.

A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIDDLE INITIALS, BUT WHERE, FROM

OR BENEFICIARY GIVEN AS AN ENEMY COUNTRY (BULGARIA.

THE NAME AND ADDRESS. IT APPEARS THAT THE BONDS MAY

GERMANY, HUNGARY, ITALY. JAPAN. OR RUMANIA):

BELONG TO THE SAME PERSON: FOR INSTANCE, *MISS ALYCE

C. SMITH. 10 SECOND STREET. ATHENS. OHIO* AND "MISS

(b) ADDRESS OF SOLE OWNER OR BOTH CO-OWNERS GIVEN AS

OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES. ITS TERRITORIES AND
POSSESSIONS. OR THE CANAL ZONE (EXCEPT THAT AN "APO"

ALICE D. SMITH, 10 SECOND STREET. ATHENS. OHIO".
15. REGISTRATION IN THE NAME OF A MARRIED WOMAN WHERE HER

(ARMY POST OFFICE) ADDRESS IS ACCEPTABLE FOR MEMBERS

OWN GIVEN NAME IS NOT USED: FOR INSTANCE. "MRS. JOHN

OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES):

J. SMITH* OR "MR. AND MRS. JOHN J. SMITH*. STUBS INSCRIBED. FOR EXAMPLE. "MR. JOHN H. SMITH OR MRS. JOHN

(c) ADDRESS OF A SOLE OWNER OR OF BOTH CO-OWNERS GIVEN

M. SMITH* FOR BONDS ISSUED BY THE WAR DEPARTMENT. THE

AS THE PHILIPPINE ISLANDS. IF THE BONDS WERE ISSUED
ON OR AFTER JUNE 17. 1943.

NAVY DEPARTMENT. OR THE DIVISION OF LOANS AND CURRENCY
SHOULD NOT BE QUESTIONED.

5. ISSUE DATE INCOMPLETE. INCORRECT. OMITTED. OR ALTERED.

6. DATING STAMP OMITTED, INCOMPLETE. ILLEGIBLE. OR OF MONTH

16. STUBS NOT MARKED AS HAVING BEEN FILMED.
17. DUMMY STUBS WITHOUT NOTATIONS THAT THEY ARE REPLACEMENTS

FOR PAPER STUBS MUST BE EXTRACTED IN ORDER THAT THE

EARLIER THAN THE ISSUE DATE.

ORIGINALS MAY BE OBTAINED. (PINK STUBS. WHICH ARE

7. ERASURES OR ALTERATIONS IN THE INSCRIPTION. (A STRIKEOVER IN THE MIDDLE INITIAL IS NOT QUESTIONED.)

CERTIFIED COPIES. SHOULD BE TREATED AS ORIGINAL STUBS.)
18. STUBS WHICH BEAR A MARGINAL NOTATION CORRECTING A NAME
IN THE INSCRIPTION SHOULD BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH

8. INSCRIPTION IN LEAD PENCIL.

THE ORIGINAL INSCRIPTION. NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE

9. DESIGNATION OF A PERSON AS "ATTORNEY" OR "AGENT" FOR
ANOTHER, FOR INSTANCE. "MR. JOHN J. JONES. PAYABLE TO

NAME IN THE MARGINAL NOTATION. UNLESS THE MARGINAL
NOTATION STATES SPECIFICALLY THAT THE BOND IS INSCRIBED

MR. HENRY SMITH. ATTORNEY-IN-FACT" OR "MR. JOHN J. JONES.

AS STATED IN THE MARGINAL NOTATION. ALL DISCREPANCIES

AGENT. (ATTORNEY) FOR MISS MAY SMITH

BETWEEN MARGINAL NOTATIONS AND ORIGINAL INSCRIPTIONS
SHOULD BE REFERRED TO YOUR GROUP SUPERVISOR.

10. STUBS IN THE NAME OF AN INDIVIDUAL FOLLOWED BY THE WORDS.

"A MINOR (OR AN INCOMPETENT) UNDER LEGAL GUARDIANSHIP"

19. REGISTRATION IN CO-OWNERSHIP FORM WHERE THE CONJUNCTION

WHEN THERE ARE OTHER STUBS FOR THE SAME PERSON WITHOUT

"AND" APPEARS, UNLESS THE TOTAL AMOUNT REPRESENTED BY

THESE WORDS.

THE STUBS IS LESS THAN $100.

DUES.

ANS.

QUES.

ANS

OUES.

ANS

QUES.

ANS

Albert W
Albert S
Albert N
Albert L
Albert J
Albert G
Albert F
Albert E
Albert A

Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams

Albert

Adams
Adams

Al

End of Albert Adams

Albert J. Adams

Albert A. Adams
L

Towns

Albert Adams (no middle initial) FROM
LANCASTER. PA. LOS ANGELES. etc.

Beginning of Albert Adams, with no
middle initial or middle name

Agnes M
Agnes A
Agnes
Ado
Ade

Add
Ada
Abr
Ab

A. M.
Adams

Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams
Adams

Adams

End of Agnes Adams

Beginning of Agnes Adams
Adolph, etc.

Adele, Adelaide, Adeline, etc.
Add. Adda, Addie. Addison, etc.
End of Ada, Beginning of names such as
Ada Adams Adaline, Adams, etc.

Abraham Adams, Abram Adams

Ab Adams, Abbie Adams, etc.
End of FIRST INITIAL "A" Adams
and beginning of Aaron Adams
A. M. Adams to A. z. Adams
A. Adams to A. L. Adams

Read chart up
Indexing is to assist those filing and searching. Keep your filing and Indexing as nearly perfect as possible.

General Filing Rules
All material should be ar ranged in alphabetic order.
sequence of letters being maintained to the last letter.
EXAMPLE:

5. Surnames
joined by a hyphen shall be regarded as one
word.
EXAMPLE:

ABBOT, Henry
ABBOTT. Arthur

John Higgins Smithfile John

ABOTT. Alice

John Higgins Smith

ADAMS, Edward
ADAMSON, Benjamin

Au-Pah-Sho-Kah

ALLAN, Frank

Smith, John Higgins
Aupahshokah

6. Indian Names. Indian names shall be filed as follows:

ALLEN, F. Albert
ALLERT, Elizabeth

(a) When the name is composed of a given first name and

an Indian last name, file under the first letter of
the last or Indian part of name, even though the

ANDREWS, Samuel

ATWOOD, Catherine

Indian name be composed of several words.

Proper names should be filed by the surname first, then
by the given name or initial.

EXAMPLE:

Rain in the Face, John

EXAMPLE:

Red Crow, Annie Marie
Wolf Bear, Maggie

BROWN, James
BROWN, John

BROWNLEE, John
BROWNLEE, Katie
BURTON, Lester
BYERS, Anna

(b) When the entire Indian name is descriptive, and it
is impossible to tell the family name, file from the
beginning.
EXAMPLE:

BYERS, Charles

Nas Ta bega

Rain in the face

An initial should precede a name beginning with that
letter.

Reed that Bends

Sitting Bull

EXAMPLE:

CARTER, H.

CARTER, H. A.
CARTER, H. J.
CARTER, H. John
CARTER, H. S.
CARTER, H. Stanley

(c) when the Indian name is composed of an Indian first
name and a last name which is a common surname,

file under the surname.
(d) When the Indian name is broken by a comma, file from
the beginning.

CARTER, H. W.

CARTER, H. William

EXAMPLE:

CARTER, Harry
CARTER, Harry C.
CARTER, Henry
CARTER, Henry J.
CARTER, Henry Jack
CARTER, Henry John
CARTER, Horace
CARTER, Horace A.

Bear Going up Hill, Sallie
Quast Quah Me, Joseph Roubidoux
Wa Ko the Quah, Josephine Masquat
7. (a) The alphabetic arrangement is to be followed for
names beginning with MBC. This means that names

beginning with the prefix "Mac" are to be filed in
the letter "M".

CARTER, Horace Albert
CARTER, Hugh

EXAMPLE:

Given names or surnames spelled as two words are treated

Maar

as one word. This covers such prefixes as *La," "Le,"
"De." "ter," "Van," "Von," and *von der".

Mabb

EXAMPLE:

Madden

file as Depuyster
Dibianco
"

Du Pont

Dupont

Le Blanc

Leblanc
Leroy

"
"

"
"

"
"

"

"

"

"

Van der Au
Von Allen
ter Muelen

"

Le Roy
L'Hommediu

"

(b) All surnames beginning with MC are to be filed
separately from all other surnames beginning with

"n". the "MC's" to follow all the other "M's".

Vanderau

(c) "M apostrophe* (M*) is to be considered as NE and
filed accordingly.

Vonallen

EXAMPLE:

Lhommedlu

Termuelen

7

de Puyster
Di Blanco

MacBride

M'Gregor

file as McGregor

General Filing Rules
other abbreviated names or nicknames should be filed
only as spelled.

8. The prefixes "NC" and apostrophe'. when used as
part of given names, middle names, or names of cities
are filed exactly as spelled.

EXAMPLE:
Ed

EXAMPLE:

JONES, Malcolm
JONES, McArthur
JONES, McBride
JONES, McKinley
JONES, Meredith
JONES, M'Gregor

Edw

file as Ed
" Edw

" AI

AI

" " Chris
Abe

"

"

Bob

Bob

"

"

Abe

WIII

"

Chr

will
Dick

9. when one name occurs with different addresses, alphabetic arrangement according to towns is maintained,

the state being considered only when there is a
duplication of town names.

11. Senior and Junior. "Jr." and "sr." shall be disregarded
in all cases except when the names and addresses are
identical; then "Jr." shall precede "Sr."

EXAMPLE:

when either "Junior" or *Senior* represents a given or
a surname, it shall be filed as a name.

John L. Brown, Adams, Mass.

John L. Brown, Bridgeport, Conn.
John L. Brown, Chicago, 111.

EXAMPLE:

George Junior

John L. Brown, Springfield, 111.
John L. Brown, Springfield, Ohio

Frank, Senior
Junior Walters
Senior Walters

Compound geographic names are considered as two words.
EXAMPLE:

John L. Smith, New Bedford
John L. Smith, New London
John L. Smith, New Troy
John L. Smith, New York
John L. Smith, Newark
John L. Smith, Newberne
John L. Smith, Newport
John L. Smith, Newton

Dick

Miss and Mrs. "Miss" and "Mrs." shall be disregarded in
all cases except when the names and addresses are iden-

tical; then "Miss" shall precede "Mrs."
EXAMPLE:

Miss Blanche Hale, Harlan, Ind.
Mrs. Blanche Hale, Harlan, Ind.
12. (a) Foreign names should be filed first by the last
name, in alphabetic order.
EXAMPLE:

file as William
"
"

Chas

"

"

N. Y.

"

St or Ste

John

Joseph

(b) Also follow this rule in filing religious names

Charles

Saint or Sainte

when the secular name is not given.
EXAMPLE:

New York

Heavenly Joy
Father Bernard
QUES.
ANS.

QUES.
ANS

QUES
ANS

QUES.
ANS

THIS BOOK IS THE PROPERTY OF
SUPERV

file as Joy, Heavenly
"

Jno

Jos

"

Wm

"

EXAMPLE:

file as Shek, Cheang Wing
Fat, Chee Kee
Mar, Cheen Kyung
Shee, Chee Jung
Fernandez, Hernandos
"

Cheang Wing Shek
Chee Kee Fat
Cheen Kyung Mar
Chee Jung Shee
Hernandos, Fernandez

"

10. Abbreviations which can represent but one word are
treated as though spelled in full.

Bernard, Father

-

-

STANDARD FORM NO. M

155

Office Memorandum. UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
DATE Mar 29, 1944
:

TO

Securting Henry Magerthan Ja
: Osean Cox

FROM

SUBJECT:

On second thought, I thank

your first thought of not using

a memo is a good one. Oral presentation

with your force and knowledge - would
doubtless be for better And a written
presentation at this time might detreet.

ose

156

MAR 29 1944

My dear Mr. Secretarys

This will acknowledge your note of March 22, 1944 enclosing
copies of communications dealing with the proposed sale of a

stock of tea in the permension of the Italian Legation at Lisbon.
The procedure established in these cables whereby Italian
assets in neutral countries may be disposed of and proceeds
used only with the approval of the Allied Control Commission
is agreeable to this Department.

Very truly yours,
(Signed) H. Mergenthaw, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

The Honorable,

The Secretary of State.

T:Drl -3-27-14

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

March 22, 1944

reply

The Secretary of State presents his compliments

to the Honorable the Secretary of the Treasury and
encloses for the information of the Division of Monetary
Research copies of several communications dealing with

the proposed sale of a stock of tea in the possession

of the Italian Legation at Lisbon. This matter has
been the subject of discussion between Mr. Taylor of
the Division of Monetary Research and an officer of the
Department.

Enclosures:
1.

Paraphrase of telegram
from Lisbon, February 4,
1944.

2.

Copy of telegram from
London, February 21, 1944.

3. Paraphrase of telegram
to Algiers, March 4, 1944.

4. Paraphrase of telegram to
Lisbon, March 4, 1944.

PARAPHRASE OF TELFGRAM RECEIVED

AMLEGATION, Lisbon.

ROM:

to:

Secretary of State, Washington.

DATED:

February 4, 1944, 5:13 p.m.

NUMBER:

332

The following telegram is sent to Washington and
repeated to London as the Legation's 53.
Approval has been requested by the Legation of

Italy here of the following preposal which it has
under consideration. The Legation has a stock of tea

which it wishes to sell to approved buyers in Switzerland or Tangier. The funds derived from the sale
would be used to buy blankets manufactured in this

country, to be shipped to liberated Italian territory
for relief purposes. Only a small part of the required quantity of blankets could be purchased on
the basis of the esaudos which would be yielded at

the best price offered thus far. The matter was considered by the Anglo-American Economic Committee

yesterday which did not believe that the transaction
in itself would interfere with our own purchase
arrangements here. However, the Committee decided
that Washington and London should be asked to de-

eide the polley question of permitting the Italians to
utilize

-2-

itilize the proceeds of the sale of Italian assets
abroad for purchases for their own purposes. It
would be appreciated if the Legation could be furnished the Department's views regarding this as-

peet of the proposal.

HORWES

LA:JJR:eph

PLAIN

London

Dated February 21, 1944

Rec'd 4:42 p.m.

etary of state,
Washington:

1444, Twenty-First.
CONFIDENTIAL.

FOR LIMITED DISTRIBUTION ONLY.
FOR DEPARTMENT AND FEA

The following stetement reprepente MEW'S views

roing rale by Iteliene of apgeta they mey have abroad
purchases for their own account reised by Liabon in
ram 332 to Department, Februery 4:

"The general position 1° that RO long as HMG
US G continue to shere equally any necessary expenses

The meintenance of Itelian intereate, Italian assets
nly be aold with our conaent and the proceeds must
ed ae we direct to the maintenence of uch interests
buld otherwise heve to be mainteined pt our expense.

I think covers the pale of the tep, AO long, of
e, BF it 1F disponed of in accordance with the
requirements

4, Twenty-First, from London.

ents of the blockede.
Ae regard the purchaee of blankete, I have no
tion at present whether there blenket are to be

led under the generel plan of relief in Italy. If
then since in the absence of purchase with Italian

you we should have jointly to foot the bill, I see no
biection to the Italiana purchesing the blanketa",
Embassy would appreciate expression of your viewe.
WINANT

PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM SENT
FROM:

Secretary of State, Washington

TO:

American Consul, Algiers

DATED: March 4, 1944
NUMBER: 688
CONFIDENTIAL

ATTENTION OF L'HEUREUX FOR GRADY.

A request has been made by the Italian Legation at

Lisbon for approval of the sale of the stock of tea in
the possession of the Legation and for use of the proceeds

to buy blankets manufactured in Portugal. It is their
intention to send the blankets to Southern Italy for
relief purposes. It is our understanding that there is
also a quantity of blankets in possession of the Legation.
The total number of blankets would probably not be large.
Lisbon is being asked to furnish you information as to
quantity and type and as to whether there have been
proposed any shipping arrangements.

Lisbon has been informed by us that disposition of
Italian assets abroad can be made only with approval of
the Control Commission and that the matter is being submitted to the Commission. We are also asking the Legation
whether it appears possible to dispose of other goods which

are being held by the Italian Legation.

No objection

-2-

No objection is made by us to the sale of the tea
nor to the use of the proceeds either for purchasing
supplies, which we would otherwise have to furnish, or

for the maintenance of the Italian Legation. It 1 s our
understanding that similar views are held by the British.
Since the Legation has initiated action looking
toward the sale of the tea, we suggest that the Italian
Government give appropriate instructions to the Italian
Legation at Lisbon.

STETTINIUS

(Acting)

PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM SENT

Secretary of State, Washington
TOT

American Legation, Lisbon

DATED:

March 4, 1944

NUMBER:

689

CONFIDENTIAL

No disposal may be made of Italian assets abroad
without United Nations' consent as expressed by the

Allied Control Commission with which the matter is

being taken up. There is no objection on our part
to the disposal to approved sources of the tea and
other cargo under the Italian Government's control
provided it is done with the Allied Control Commission's
consent and the proceeds used only with its approval.
London informs us that this is the British view also.
The importance of observance of blockade requirements

in disposal of tea is emphasized by the British. The
use of the proceeds to maintain the Italian Legation
Lisbon or to purchase goods which we would otherwise

pply appear to be unobjectionable in general. We

Egest that it might be desirable to handle both the
rehase of blankets and the sale of tea through the
erican and British Missions in Lisbon.
Any shipment of goods to Italy would have to be
Irried out in accordance with Allied Control Commission's
Erectives. The view of the Commission will be given to you.

-4:

is requested that you inform us of the number

pe of blankets which could be purchased and whether
has been any discussion regarding shipping arrange-

LL It is our impression that the Italians already
base some blankets in Lisbon. It is also requested that
you report whether it appears possible to dispose of
other oargo which the Italians hold. Please repeat the
foregoing to Algiera from L'Heureux for Grady.
the foregoing message has been repeated to London

as Department's cable No. 1662, referring to Embassy's
wire of February 21, 1944, No. 1444.
STETTINIUS

(Acting)

IT

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VI VICTORY

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

BUY

PROCUREMENT DIVISION

WASHINGTON 25

March 29, 1944

MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:

There is transmitted herewith the weekly report

of Lend-Lease purchases.

We have been requested by the Foreign Economic

Administration to take over the Army Shoe Reconstruction

Plant at Buford, Georgia, for the purpose of rebuilding

1,200,000 pairs of used Army shoes to be furnished to us
by the Salvage Branch of the Quartermaster General.
The War Department expects to relinquish operations

between April 15 and April 30, and it is expected that the
processing of 1,200,000 pairs of shoes will be completed
by October 1944, and will cost from 1.50 to $1.80 a pair,
exclusive of export packing or freight. We are now investigating the matter to determine the requirements for this
operation.

Army Ordnance has requested FEA to transfer the
purchase of heavy machine tools to the Procurement Division,

which will require a deletion from their budget, and an

inclusion in the FEA budget. We are amending our 1945
budget, recently submitted, in accordance with this proposal.

from

Director of Procurement

LEND-LEASE

TREASURY DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT DIVISION
STATEMENT OF ALLOCATIONS, OBLICATIONS (PURCHASES) AND
DELIVERIES TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AT U. S. PORTS
AS OF MARCH 22, 1944

(In Millions of Dollars)

Administrative
Total

U. K.

Miscellaneous &

Undistributed

Russia

China

Expenses

$1877.3

$113.9

$12.6

(1877.3)

(113.9)
$44.9

-

$271.4

$403.5

Allocations

$4698.0

(4696.9)

$2290.7
(2289.7)

Purchase Authoriza-

$3636.0

$1883.2

$1436.5

tions (Requisitions)

(3577.7)

(1846.6)

(1421.4)

(44.7)

-

(265.0)

Requisitions Cleared

$3538.6

$1835.2

$1400.4

$44.6

-

$258.4

for Purchase

(3521.5)

(1824.9)

(1399.4)

(44.5)

Obligations

$3416.8

$1807.9

$1372.7

$44.2

(3397.4)

(1796.3)

(Purchases)

(1369.0)
$558.9

Deliveries to Foreign $1794.8 $1181.5
Governments at U. S. (1764.8) (1170.0) (540.5)

(44.1)
$21.9

(21.8)

(12.6)

(403.4)

(252.7)

-

$10.6

(10.5)
-

-

$181.4

(177.5)
$32.5

(32.5)

Ports*

*Deliveries to foreign governments at U. S. Ports do not include the

tonnage that is either in storage, "in-transit" storage, or in the

port area for which actual receipts have not been received from the
foreign governments.

Note: Figures in parentheses are those shown on report of March 15, 1944.

168

25

March 29, 1944.

My dear General Weasons

For the Secretary I as acknovledging
the copy of the Seviet Aid Report as of
February 29, 1944, which you were as good
as to send him. Mr. Morgenthas much

appreciates receiving those current reports,
and has asked - to thank you for your
courtesy in bringing them to his attention.
Sincerely yours,

(Signed) H. S. Klotz
H. S. nots,

Private Secretary.

Major General G. N. Wessen.

Director, Division for Series Supply.
Foreign Economic Administration,

Five-Fifteen and Street, N.W.,
"as ington 25, D. 0.

GEF/dbs

169
FOREIGN ECONOMIC ADMINISTRATION
DERMIXX

FIVE-FIFTEEN 22d STREET NW.
WASHINGTON 25, D.C.

March 28, 1944

MEMORANDUM

To:

The Honorable Henry Morgenthau

From:

Maj. Gen. C. M. Wesson

Director, Division for Soviet Supply
Subject:

Soviet Aid Report

Attached herewith is your copy of the Soviet
Aid Report as of February 29, 1944, which summarizes
the amount of aid furnished to the U.S.S.R. during

the First and Second Protocols and the first eight
months of the Third Protocol.

SECRET
Copy No. IRA
170

STATUS OF THE SOVIET AID PROGRAM
AS OF FEBRUARY 29, 1944

Prepared for the President's Soviet Protocol Committee
Foreign Economic Administration

March 25, 1944

SECRET

PERFORMANCE DURING FEBRUARY 1944
Shipments to the Soviet Union from United States and Canadian ports

fell to 375,300 long tons in February, the smallest quantity shipped in
any month since July, 1943 but 95% of average monthly Protocol requiremonts. Shipments from July 1943 through February 1944 total 4,011,600
long tons, 132 of Protocol requirements for the period and 88% of requirements for the full Protocol year. Shipments during March are expected to total 375,000 long tons, bringing total shipments to 96% of the

year's plan.

Cargo shipped during February and the Third Protocol period is sum-

Tarized as follows:

July-February

February
Long

Per

Tons

Cent

Long
Tons

Per

Cent

U. S. SUPPLIES

Trucks & Other Vehicles
Metals

Chemicals & Explosives
Petroleum Products
Industrial Equipment
Food

Other

Total
BRITISH & CANADIAN SUPPLIES
TOTAL

38,800
51,000
21,600
33,300
25,900
123,500
32,900

10

347,000

93

332,3 300

6

11

16
8

399, 600
340, 700

10

33

1,271,500

32

14

410, 700

10

3,831,700

96

9

7

28,300
375,300

428,200
648,700

14

7

100

9

179,900

4,011,600

100

No losses were experienced in February.

During February 6,706 trucks, 30 locomotives, and 286 flat cars were
dispatched to the Soviet Union.
Aircraft dispatched from North America in February totaled 461: 346
for U.S. Protocol Account and 115 for U.K. Account. Of the total number,
were shipped by water to Murmansk, 163 by water to the Persian Gulf, 57
by air via the South Atlantic, and 236 from Fairbanks by the AlaskanSiberian ferry route.

Foreign Economic Administration
March 25, 1944
5-1100

5

NUMBER
3609

895

20

15

3559

10

FACTORY DELIVERIES BY ROUTE
OCTOBER I, 1941 - FEBRUARY 29, 1944

5

AIRCRAFT DELIVERIES TO U.S.S.R.

..

LOSSES IN % OF DEPARTURES

PERCENT

PERSIAN GULF. WATER

SOUTH ATLANTIC FERRY

NORTH RUSSIA, WATER

ALSIB FERRY

Foreign Economic Administration

SECRET

SHIPMENTS TO U.S.S.R.
SHIPMENTS, ARRIVALS AND LOSSES
10
10

LOST
8

8

EN ROUTE

6

6

EXPORTED
4

4
2

2

ARRIVED
o
0
Any
Jul

1941

See
OF

1943

1942

1944

THIRD PROTOCOL CLEARANCES
FROM U.S. PORTS

NUMBER OF SHIPS
SAILING EACH MONTH
100

5

PROTOCOL RATE

80

60

2

40

ACTUAL

20

O

941

1942

1943

1944

1943

1944

SECRET

EXPORTS AND AVAILABILITY OF SELECTED ITEMS
CUMULATIVE SINCE OCTOBER I, 1941

Exported

Lost

Quantity made available of
U.S. centers of production

En Route

Arrived

PURSUIT PLANES

BOMBERS

4,000

4,000

3,000

3,000

2,000

2,000

1,000

1,000

o
o

1944

1943

(

1942

1944

1943

1942

ANTIAIRCRAFT GUNS 37 8 40 mm

MEDIUM TANKS

6,000

3,000

5,000

2,500
4,000

2,000
3,000

1,500
2,000
1,000
1,000
500
o

o
per

1942

1944

1943

1944

1943

I

I

1942

TRUCKS

JEEPS

250,000
50,000

200,000
40,000
150,000

30,000
100,000

20,000
50,000
10,000
o

IP43
-

1943

1942

1944

I

I

942

1944

SECRET

EXPORTS AND AVAILABILITY OF SELECTED ITEMS
CUMULATIVE SINCE OCTOBER I, 1941

Exported

Lost

Quantity made available of
U.S. centers of production

En Route

Arrived

ARMY BOOTS

FIELD TELEPHONES
400

8

300

SNO,

6

OF

200

I

1942

1943

I

o

1943

o

1942

1944

2

PEE

100

1944

ALUMINUM AND DURALUMINUM

I

STEEL AND STEEL PRODUCTS

150

2,000
Cattulative Feb.29,1944 IShort Tonal
Total Production for U.S.S.R 1,898,270
Released for Redistribution

125

190,770
1,463,860

SNO

1,500

Exported USSR
Balance Available for Export 243.440

SNOS

100
OF
OF

75

1,000
50

500
25

SOVERAN:

o

o

1943

1942

1944

1943

1944

1

(

942

FOODS

CHEMICALS AND EXPLOSIVES

2,500
600

2,000

500
SNOS

FORS

400

1,500
OF

OF

300

1,000

200

500
100

o

0

Economic

-

942

943

944

942 I 1943 1 1944

SECRET
PROGRESS OF INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS FOR THE U.S.S.R.
As of February 29, 1944

PETROLEUM

REFINERY PROJECT This project was developed to replace Soviet facilities destroyed by the German

Army. It was designed to produce aviation gas, motor gas, and lubricating oils.

the entire project valued at $43,938,000, equipment valued at $43,219,000 has been made ready for shipment.
Equipment valued at $39,564,000 has been exported. Most of the equipment remaining to complete the project
consists of valves, instruments, spare parts and tank care which are expected to be shipped before summer.

of

Nineteen U.S. engineers are in the U.S.S.R. aiding in construction.

Approval has been given for additions to supplement the facilities already supplied. This additional
equipment, valued at $25,150,000 is now being engineered.
POLIES PROGRAM Under the Second Protocol program 320,000 KW of stationary stoan generating equipment has been

made available. This includes nine units with a total capacity of 40,500 KW furnished with the
petroleum refinery project, two units totaling 11,000 KW furnished with the tire plant and 42 units totaling

1,630 this to be furnished with the Block Signal System. The remaining units of the Second Protocol program
totaling 258,500 KW are rated from 250 KW to 35,000 KW and are for installation as power utility plants. Over
70 percent of this equipment has been exported.
Diesel generating equipment totaling 162,000 KW and 59 industrial stean boilers have been made available
for export.

Power equipment approved under the Third Protocol has now been placed under contract. Designing and manufacturing are progressing on schedule. The program consists of generating equipment as follows:
32,000 KW
166,500 KW
Mobile Diesel Generating Equip.
stationary Steam Generating Equip.
Mobile Steam Generating Equipment

Stationary Diesel Generating Equip.

Hydro-electric Equipment

217,000 KW
106,925 KW

68,150 KW

Total

590,575 KW

Thirty-two industrial steam boilers and transmission equipment valued at $5,000,000 are also being supplied.
R.I. PLOCE SIGNAL SYSTEM This project is to permit autonatic signal operation of a portion of the U.S.S.R.

railroad system. When installed it will increase the carrying capacity of existing
rill facilities without increase of rolling stock. The system valued at $11,558,000 will provide signal and
signal operating equipment for 3,000 Km of track. Equipment valued at $3,488,000 has been made ready for shiptent of which 381,000 has been exported.

In addition 42 power plants of 40 KW each, all valued at $500,000, are being furnished to provide the
necessary electricity to operate the system. Production of the power units has commenced.
FOLLING MILLS An aluminum rolling mill to supply aluminum sheet for the U.S.S.R. aircraft industry is nearly
complete. or the total valued at $6,377,000, equipment valued at $6,290,000 has been made ready
for shipment and 25,018,000 has been exported.

One 18" merchant mill, n blooming mill, rail and structural mill, R.R. tie plate and splice bar mill, and
pipe fabricating mill, all estimated to cost $19,347,000 are now in production. A portion of the 18* merchant
mill has been prepared for shipment but has not yet been exported.
STEEL EXPANSION PROGRAM Production of equipment valued at $12,664,000 for expansion of U.S.S.R. steel produc-

tion is now progressing. This equipment, all of which is to supplement existing
facilities, is expected to increase Soviet production of carbon steel ingots by 2,500,000 tons a year. Equipment valued at $729,700 has left suppliers but none has been exported.

142,785
528,277
531,800

2,616,900

134,072
436,046

$72,624

531,800
488,165

51,783
0

Hydrogen and Catalyst Plants

$404,737

0

Hydrogen Gas Plant

$536,563

1,400,000

Exported

0

Voltol Plant (Pilot)
Nitric Acid Plant

Manufactured

0

Wall Board Plant

Glass Bulb and Tubing Plant

Cost

0

OTHER PLANTS

PLANT this $9,000,000 project was designed to permit the production of a minimum of 1,000,000 military
tires a year from U.S.S.R. supplies of synthetic rubber and natural rubber obtained from shrubs.
utilize idle American equipment basic elements of the tire plant of the Ford Hotor Company have been acquired.
Sex equipment necessary to complete the production cycle for large size military tires has been purchased.
power plant to supply the necessary steam and electrical power is being supplied at a cost of $1,100,000.
Tim production equipment valued at $8,500,000 has been made available by suppliers. Equipment valued at

TIME

To

$6,000,000 has been exported.

The COVER plant is in production and a mall portion has already left the United States.

NIME

1

SECRET

STATEMENT OF VESSELS SAILED TO U.S.S.R.
As of February 29, 1944
Number of Vessels Sailing

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

32

-

-

39

38

-

-

22

46

38

-

58

36

46

44

2

-

3

-

-

1

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

2

-

-

-

-

1

-

1

-

1

-

2

-

8

-

-

-

67

67

52

-

123

2

-

4

-

-

-

7

4

1

-

-

4

5

-

-

7

-

-

1,136

1

55

-

-

1

58

1

2

1,378

627

55

1

25

55

2

83

1

27
19

8

79

-

-

8

26

16

76

-

4
30

20**

77

89

1

8

39

-

5

32

21

2

2

25

294

-

1

8

5

20

3

61

-

62

-

76

27

-

77

20

-

67

50

-

69

10

-

57

38

-

54

57

3

54

24

-

45

1

6

6

9

62

-

54

63

-

55

16

1

37
44

7

34

24

6

-

-

7

26

18

349

4

32

6

2
6

-

29

32

19

6

6

29

19

25

347

-

17

27

Dec

4

33

26

7

36

its

Nov

Total Oct. 1941
to Feb. 29, 1944

34

19

16

10

Feb

27

17

Oct

1944 Jan

34

9

-

See

4

Aug

4

Jul

-

May

Jun

13

35

19

15

-

Apr

21

1

tar

46

31

12

16

28

23"

Feb

32

78

-

12

12

Jan

43

4

11

16

3

for
Dec

19

19

3

9

13

Oct

24

1

1
7

-

Aug

1943

4

11

22

-

Jul

12

25

-

11

14

13

by

Month

3

Jun

10

15

Lost

1

-

-

10

14

Sep

3

Apr
May

5

31

62

in U.K.

-

Feb

Feb. 29

-

13

Disch.

-

20

Mar

Far East

Losses

Cargo

as of

-

14

Jan

Arctic

Arrived

Total

1

Nov
Dec

Soviet

1

Gulf

10

1941 Oct

1942

Persian

Soviet

-

North
Russis

En Route

For

For

For

-

For

Date of Shiling

Includes one tanker from U. K. for U. S. Protocol Account.
Includes tag tankers from U. K. for U. S. Protocol Account.
or the 1,378 sailings from October 1, 1941 to February 29, 1944, 652 were ande by American vessels,
462 by Soviet vessels, 238 by American vessels transferred to Soviet registry, 25 by British vessels
and 1 by a Swedish vessel. In addition to the 1,378 sailings, there were 10: ships that loaded partial cargoes in the U.S. for the U.S.S.R. In addition to the 67 ships shown above as lost, several
ships have been sunk on their return voyages.

ACTUAL SHIPMENTS COMPARED WITH PROTOCOL SHIPPING OBJECTIVES

July 1943 - February 1944
FIGURES IN LONG TONS
Atlantic

Protocol Objective
Shipments

Shipments in $ of Objective

Pacific

Route

Route

1,428,600

1,607,100
1,764,700

2,246,900
157%

110%

Total

3,035,700

4,011,600
132%

Includes 7.000 tons of petroleum products from Abadar for U. S. Protocol account, the material
seite replaced to U. K. from the 0. S.

-

SECRET

STATEMENT OF CARGO SHIPPED TO U.S.S.R.

As of February 29, 1944
(Thousands of Gross Long Tons )
For Soviet
Arctic

Partial

Full
Cargoes

Feb. 29

Cargoes

48

17

65

41

14

58

55

71

63

Cargo On

Hand or

as of

Losses
Lost

Month

In U. K.

62

3

1941
3

-

25

214

163

46

-

-

38

435

267

194

337

330

216

350

343

229

275

275

58

152

346

346

32

262

478

464

313

519

512

10

181

450

441

10

229

579

571

262

653

581

-

10

176

612

197

415

-

12

375

12

12

100

363

3,437

8,499

6,925

851

9

57

15

23

279

444

3

-

-

4

-

6

1

-

Petroleum products by rail ex Abadan for U. S. account, replacement to U. K. from U. S.

DISTRIBUTION OF TONNAGE SHIPPED TO FEB. 29, 1944
BY REGISTRY OF SHIPS
Other

295,000 tons
3.5%

Soviet Ships

1,961,000 tons
23.1%
U.S. Ships

Transferred to
Soviet Registry

1,752,000 tons
20.6%

DATA ARE GROSS LONG TONS

U.S. Ships

4,491,000 tons
52.8%

14

8

4

8

185

14

7

7

79*

16

15

-

149

14

-

to

1

9

2,494

246

5

2,152

263

48

150

7

114

123

-

Feb. 29, 1944

149

178

9

Feb

Total Oct. 1941

210

342

8

4

202

258

129

17

13

7

-

222

-

1944 Jan

98

-

167

237
-

5
9

214

165

2

-

Dec

1

194

-

187

145

178

244

65

7

66

Nov

229

106

55

114

22

-

Oct

229

108

38

56

2

9

-

173

179

13

10

194

Sep

197

179

-

2

Aug

219

79

16

25

Jul

83

123

112

116

174

12

131
138

183

52

2

7

83

59

1

25

40

46

19

42

9

40

63

73

139

8

69

28

-

25

173

195

33

128

-

39

Feb

141

31

40

-

4

13

83

212

18

16

-

1

1

84

Jan

May

15

-

79

55

Apr

-

92

66

Mar

-

1943

76

-

21

29

91

5

De

376

Nov

17

109

Dec

72

-

171

Oct

89

20

1

May

Jun

26

-

Apr

-

Mar

63

66

-

Feb

-

Ja:

11

8

1942

3

10

50

by

Diverted

7

Abadan

Arrived

Total

8

Soviet

7

Cargoes

From

5

Cargoes

En Route

Far East

For

9

North
Russia

Persian Gulf
Partial
Full

3

For
For

444

SECRET

AIRCRAFT DELIVERIES TO U.S.S.R.
October 1, 1941 to February 29, 1944
Protocol

requirements are considered filled upon delivery of aircraft from factories.

from North America are: U.S. ports for water shipments, Fairlanks for flight-deliveries via the Alaskan-Siberian Ferry Route,
Departure points Florida or adjacent fields for flight-deliveries via the South Atlantic. Planes shipped by water to North Russia are considered
and Miami, arrival at Mursantk or Archangel. Planes shipped by water to the Persian Gulf are assembled at Abadan and with planes arriving
delivered
upon the South Atlantic Ferry Route are delivered at Abadan to U.S.S.R. pilots. Alaskan-Siberian Ferry route planes are delivered to
over

state

Spriet pilots at Fairbanks.

exception of 59 P-40 fighters shipped from U.S. ports in September, 1941 and arrived in North Russia in November and December 1941,

use

with schedule the includes all aircraft departed from the U.S. for direct delivery to the U.S.S.R. Aircraft shipped from the U.S. intended for
USA United Kingdom but retransferred from the United Kingdom to the U.S.S.R. are not included.
the

is

Lost in

In North America
Feb. 29, 1944

Delivered
at

North America
In Canada

In Canada

Factories

In U.S.

In U.S.

and

Alaska

Diverted

After

North

Depart-

Others

ure

Alaska

Delivered

Arrived

N.A. to

to USSR at

at

Destina.

to

America

and

En Route

Lost

Departed

tion
2/29/44

Destina

Destine-

tion

tion

IL ROUTES

0

0

1,482

0

3,334

175

8,833

523

758

1,141

1,141

278

2,881

(16) 2,736

331

7,977

(16**7,789)

30

2

0

0

0

0
38

3

0
65

310

3,154

3,154
801

23

0

123(77)*

L89

9,548

total

38

863

1

275

o

3,609

3,154

38

0

1,485

49

16

16

1

to North Russia

ister to Persian Gulf Assembly at Abac .

895

0

Itlantic Ferry Route to Abedan

123(77)*

195

3,559

Forry Route

U.S. PROTOCOL ACCOUNTS

Parents Planes

25

0

5

1

5

3

5
3

3

0

0
o

0

251

124

124

3801

233

233

0

0

19

19

0
0

0

0

,

(1)**

22

o

27

1

0
o

0

,

0

0

1

0

0

0

o

0

o

5

0

o

0

0

0

0

1

8

0

0

0

0

0

o

0

o

0

0

0

0

0

a

o

0

0

10

o

0

0

30

Managed Trainers

0

4

0

0

22

0

1

5

Tersion Salf, water

22

251

380

0

o

Limited Trainers
Text Maria, water

11

30

0

o
30

0

o
4

0

0

Determination Planes

D.S. forth Putsts, water

0

0

8

203

0

0

6(5)*

10

250

0

0
0

0

1-47 fisib

550

(8)** 2,272

2,323

23

1

0
o

Cargo Planes

126

(8)**

558

o

8

1(e)

o

easy Pastors

1 Alsib (total)

1

364

0

21(16)*

31

128

0

437

251

634

126

5

0
0

o

0

o

0

Total Medium limbers

152

962

677

1

0

0
0

0

0

128

2,499

962

5

o
o

5

South Atlantic

21(16)*

79

23

1

0

o

0

5

304

36

637

2,878

202

5

0

0

31(b)

less

142 North Passis, water

55(40)*

73

39

0

0

0
0

o
0

0
0

637

2,671

Total Light Bonbers
Telly Numbers

165

0

5

0

A-20 Fersian Gulf, water

34

0

3

165

735

0

0

1.20 North fusnia, water

16

16

962

0

0

0

0

0

767

20(d)

55(40)*

(1)**

748

150

0

308

3,389

13

50

50

3

28

0

A-20 South itlantic

555

5

7

926

0

0

57(a)

1,102

(4)**

555

0

57

Light lumbers
A-20 Alsit

878

596

20

0

0

12(8)*

234

641
555

11

48

48

878

22

0

0

3,653

0

Total Pursuit Planes

0

86

91

North Runain, water

0

45

248

0

Alsib

2-47 North Russia, water
N-47 Persian quif, water

0

972

0

1-39 Sorth Bussia, water
7-39 Persiss Gulf, water

0

57

0

12(8)*

19

2

2-39 11mib

(1)**

20

25

TOTACOL ACCOUNTS

30

0

0

0

0

0

0

43

103

536

103

1,940

(1)**

0

0

0

0
23

27

27
0

0

,
0

0

0

0

121

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0
0
0

5

0

a

176
3

0

.

0

0

179

0

121

28

0

30

27

a

ACCIDENT

28

$

0

2,091

13

a

0

o

29(0)*

5

141

682

0

2,297

1,074

30

0

63

0
0

745

300

1,074

23

35

35

0

29(7)*

78

0

1,217

300

1,074

13

0

300

0

greenents)

0

N-47

81

602

0

722

48

1,149

1

1,149

No forts Numbia, water
N-A Persian Gulf, water

0

50

0

N-A Alait

(ments received at Student wasted est before delivery to pilots
4-2019 refused by at Fairtanks returned to Great Falls for edjustments
3-25's refused by at Fairbanks returned to Great Falls fur edjustments

lenses corriting 4.5. Winsion locate strended in Sileria - was treasturred to the Seriet Government

returned by at fairinnis realed out after return to M.S. You adjustments

Note and 1302 P-30's - resorted or delivered a SAMP as studen

28

28

121
176

(1)**

t

EXPORTS AND AVAILIBILITY
SECRET

As of February 29. 1944

Sheet 1

led Protent
July 1. 1943

offering

October 1, 190 to February 29, 1944

small.

to

Feb.

To Date

Date

Sade

small.

2/29/44

1944

Arrived

Reported

.

Protecal

1/1/45

Last

4

Item

During

Sade

Inverted
after

smittag

Expert

Persons

E.

offered

Candistin Performance 1st, - - led Protecute

Reported

February 1964
led

is

Par.

IN

1944

.
MILITARY ITEMS
unreadable text

For Featural Accounts
1,400

2,400

Paredit Please
Light Posters
Medium lusters
leavy Scalers

1,706

1,200

1,498

147

m

850

300

Cargo Planes

3,643

1,309

2,472

1.49

198

or

150

250

1,131

2,297

2,091

179

1%

233

advanced Trainers

30

0

0

30

deservation Planes
For V. 1. Protecal
(Seder decigrocal Agreements)
Pursuit Planes

See Detailed Schedule

,

0

0

,

0

0

0

10

10

0

List (Crewed) frainers

0

For Account

Paradit Planes

0

150

0

1,147

1,200

,

1,800

Tasks

uses Tanks

0
2,000

Tasks

1,334

1,280

1,680

1,640

1,222

43

2,960

2,839

2,117

yn

170

1,303

136

224

192

4,134

4,541

25

351

172

100

1,025

25

Cel.

(Tank Destroyers)

(fank Destroyers)

Guna .45 Cal.

700

Launchers

Mortars, -

Pietels and Revolvers

4,000

6,000

334,420

133,483

3,000

3,000

11,950

8,000

trucks (1) ton)
Tracks a ton)
Trucks (5 ton & over)
Task Transport ters (20 . 40 too)

5,412

4,642

334

9,290

10,416

1,950

50

preserthed

Amountition is being supplied for all wespons furnished by the U. 8. is appertance with standards
is furnished for waspose of Soviet manufacture.
Trucks (with equipment and spare parts including tires)
Gargo Reacon Carriers (3/4 son)

5,000

for

U.

Forces.

Additional

1,220

100

7.304

78

(Tank Destropere)

a.

3-7-

38,590

3,348

42,144

98,033

96,375

77,571

5,994

1,826

1,446

9,538

34,856

2,988

31,684

94,232

87,148

72,400

4.1%

704

1.41

4,442

6,706

78,692

3,128

4,864

17,240

82
a

194

222

Total Trucks

132,000

84,000

79,306

298

as

270

203,061

193,105

14

10,264

157,669

Other Vehicles ,
insured Seous Care

1,985

4,500

14,855

Jeeps a too (as)
Amphibian Jeeps

24,000

ton)

16,000

1,763

224

1,082
595

1,458

2,899

2,372

1,425

14,232

39,987

36,580

28,995

1,050

1,785

1,652

579

168

1,378

1,436

621

Personnel Carrier ($ track)

600

Cargo Carriars (1) ton. track)
Williary Tractors

28

400

12,000

8,000

4,381

2,400

1,600

1,622

Recovery Unite
Repair Trucks

1,122
145

8,522
1,740

19,922

15,408

3,433

2.9%

1,422
281

103
tax

1,477

100

2,101

3,107

8,638

270

2,584

4,670
145

145

Dissel Englase for trulks

20,481

2,400

1,100

1.36

Equipment ,

-

-

under)

12,000

9,099

1,478

2,230

1,456

214

1,575
25

25

Direction

150

Parts ($1000)
first (siles)

3,000

2,000

1,108

2,400

1,583

1,284

100,000
186,000

66,667

93,323

4,000

89,652

162,000

141,672

9,111

181,806

3,334

1,512

277,943
660,164

3,530

64,328
Penter

48,300

BUT

26,880

17,920

33,350

120,238

85,000

85,000

1,437

64,001

111,753

103,449

44,007

1,200

12,828
12,304

11.9%

(Month)
Explasives (some)

99,580

66,220

110,462

7,037

120,441

807

84,243

76,000

64,002

21,003

18,617

16,929

199,268

162,057

3,000

2,798

1,000

30.44

500

127,008

11,600

18,130

12,404

29,584

38,540

4,403

1,360

1,449

2,453

9,670
167

119

218,602

tary Item
Flosts

14,254

158.77

Explosives (some)
12,700

14,173
100,000

45,000

Femaler

990,966

60,000

119,810

for Redice

visa Dry Della

216,965

9,348
1,600

250

8,453

20,667

1,822

339,978

$1000

-

-

-- --

-

offertage for partial

before

-

-

after

SECRET
Sheet
Experied

1/1/0
1/29/44

Exported

49,679

1,543

SECRET
Sheet 3

Davistim

Exported

During

small.

Made

1/1/0

Feb.

swell.

1/29/44

1944

invined

Exported

imitian

after

Last

.

Offered

1961

a.

3rd

Protecal

Protecate

October

1,

July

February 2944

Pab.

Export

Inc.

1944

MATERIALS

(total

7.81

12,431

Buts, Riveta,

4,533

Leading Mate

8,533

296,397

Mails and Address,

Date, Wheels kales
sales

and Car Wheel Tires
Steel Car Sheels

11,848

Aales

Gestric Locality sales

300

500,000

Total Steel (tone)

39,863

707,481

551,939

(1,182,855)

1,463,858

149,337

24,219

9,992

97,355

The following quantities released from U.S.S.R. export stocks for have been deducted from available.

Notes

July 1943-

Oct.1941-

Feb. 1944

Feb.29.144

Cold Finished Bars

July

Sheets

Feb.198

Feb.1964
28.04

Cold Relled Strip

956

Steal Fire

Airens Steel
Billets

Oct.1943

Des.1941

Pipe and Tables

20,464

(-) 15,000

40,197

1,152

17,396

58,269

190,769

Plates

32,955

Rope

30,866

Barted

3,305

Wire

Pla Iron (tone)
and Anthore (tone)

2,209

1.735k

Bollere ($3000)

311

Ferrous Metals . Prode
1,669

($1000)

Total Released (tone)

Staples

1,279

21

4.6%

4,113

4.113

1.117

1.40

1,683

1.5%

1,584

1,275

1,295

1,120

722,424
28,229

554.543

-

2,275

140

Petroleum Products
from

From F.X. for U.S.
(Reclanement

360,000

240,000

4,566

323,738

8,930

18,023

87,9578

64,128

28,225

to

From itedax for
(Replacement to

80,000

14,241*

86,909*

86,909*

Shipments

(31,867)

(31,897)

29,972g

Diversion
Chemicals (tone)
6,720

1,933

2,600

2,440

2,087

130,236

128,060

98,132

20,187

20,187

52,796

50,369

45,159

8,662
10,313
5,478

Tetresside

Other Chemicals (term)
Chloride
Streets

Sulgho Cyanida

Persolida
(Sona)

Carbode

Blacks
Etays

(set)

held

9,948

413

29,769

4,503

SECRET
Sheet 3
Protecal

Detailer
During

small.

let

Protecate

Started

smill

1/29/14

as

Bade

1/1/15

Feb.

Date

Date

2

196

4

Protecal

Offerial

is

Participants

Camilation

Exported

Arrived

Exported

After

Lest

Bests

Permant-

Export

1944

Islama

.

Jair 1943

fitners 29. 1944
Bade
Ind Offered

Pab

IN

1944

MATERIALS (and

(tea) (tena) (cont.)
2,306

Reta, Rivets,

1,386

265

8,133

8,533

Landing Nata

fails Access.

185,329

12,431

7.99

4,533

8,113

6,914

403

322,425

38,765

Mounted Sate, Reals sales

260
GIT

tales

and Car Steel Tires

2,829
5,333

Steel Car Steels

5,993

sales

Electric Locanitive sales
following

qualifies

July noFeb.1944

released

U.S.S.R.

79,863

expert

for

July 4

have

1,189,855
detected

been

349,337

from

-

27,555

available.

July in Oct.

064.1941.

Feb.1944
28.06

28,466

31,955

31,955

Steel Wire

Steal

Hire Rose

30,866

Berted

3,305

Fire

Steples

2,279

Pie Iron (tons)
Chaire and Anthore (tone)
follows ($1000)

1.735k

4,422

Ferrous Metals Proda.

311

1,666

($1000)

Pipe Taking

(-) 15,669
Plates

60,197

1,152

17,396

58,269

190,769

430

21

Billete

11,453,858

redistribution

22A Gold Rolled Strip

956

1,707,483

551,939

stocks

Oet.1941Feb.29,144

Cold Fistated Isra
Aireraft

333,334,298,996
free

&

The

222

n

500,000

Total Steel (total
Notes

1,062

183

-

300

6,586

4.6%

1,117

2,467

1,5%

-

Total Released (test)

17,127

2,209

4,113

4.113

1,767

1,584

1,273

311

2,275

1,295

1,120

100

1,683

printee Products

Free 5.
From E.E. for I.S. Account
to E.K. free U.S.)

From Itedax for Account

Replacement to British from U.S.)

360,000

140,000

120,000

80,000

4,566

321,738

721,414

554,543

8,930

18,023

28,229

26,219

14,241*

86,909*

86,909

56,9094

Stipperts free E.L. U.S.S.R. ..

(31,667)

for Diversion to U.K.

Additional Allocation to U.S.S.R.

67,957

10,786

68,128

(31,867)

29,9718

Replacement

Siveraine D.E.
Chemicals (term)
4,480

2,440

2,027

1,868

534

1,933

2,000

109,843

9,529

107,914

130,236

128,060

98,132
20,187

45,159

7,680

20,187

40,320

26,880

25,275

3,360

2,240

1,792
2,153

638

20,187

20,187

20,187

26,523

52,706

50,366

4,131

4,764

8,462

7,846

10,313

9,948

3,146

11,416

6,720

4,480

6,720

4,480

11,1601

7,832

7,991

7,953

25,387

31,327

27,343

73,431

4,480

4,650

4,977

12,727

1,478

5,478

1.4%

1.4991

4,247

18,5001

KL)

0

6,720

29,760

199

4.503

207

100

358

to

201

1,327

1.4%
12,332

18,743

25,190
400

Tetresside
6,720

43,120

51,017

3,292

8,765

Other Chesticals (tens)
Chloride

Sitrate

(-32111

4,9941

726

1,7941

3.394

Ameria Salphe Cysoida

Aniline ou

Perexide

Black Dyes (tons)
Acid

Alcohol
Carbide

Lamp Blanks
stays
Anto

(est)

Dibuty) Philalete
Glynel

Amites
saine

Ethylane Chlorobatria
Ethylane

Formaldshyde
Septhemis AND
Formaldshyde

Chlorate

Nitrate

affectage

--

analiable

-

for

-after

SECRET
Sheet
Devilation

small.

Experted

arrived

1/29/14

reterm
2,647

Chamicals

4,334
4,134

Chemicals (tens)
Chestsels (tena)

3,124
4,992

238,781

215,040

RELEASED

8,963 TOME

12,000

50,114

state

SECRET

Sheet 6
3rd. Protecol Performance

July 1, 1943 to

October 1, 1943 to February 29, 1944
Avail.

27,578

Other Flour

81,923

81,921

400

1,065

995

5,160

528

21.77

23,138

7,657

157,289

437,117

681.70

13,939

28,708

114,105

112,000

74,667

182,725

22,020

182,725

353,676

353,674

12,364

59,130

149,867

26,517

26,327

265,739
26,517

16,443

224,8004

95,196
92,866

325,824

325,824

267,100

17,089

97,964

97,964

90,370

1,160

4,063

4,760

21,276

32,033

35,794

29,454

6,318

151,215

287,883

287,883

254,799

1.42

4,427

32,528

32,528

25,978

1,122

30,134

30,134

12,632

12,632

12,792
46,677

12,792
46,677

7,675

2,958

11,123

11,123

10,447

57,412

57,412

43,461

0

723

40,164

1,455

1,655

1,590

TOB

0

0

0

0

o

0

0
o

0

0

0

0

0

0

o

0

o

0

0

0

0

0

0

0
0

0
0

0

0

0

0

0

0
0

0

165

26

0

21,922

1,089
as

0

Total Foodstuffs (tone)

1,810,144

0

Sends Bussian Bay Belief

1,204,872

165

1,285,884

128,250

1,285,884

2,606,250

606,250

$1,358

4,648
is

0

0

21,922

0

40,166

32,704

1

5,258

0

5,258

1,258

3,282

3,683

0

2,345

0

1,547

2.347

0

0

0

3,282

34

0

0
0
0

12,855

2,347

14

12,855

9,154

4,332

.

0

1,547

112

314

0

0

92

3,294

577

36

359

91

4,332

"

0

723

3,638

0

"

185

0

414

187
3,638

0

187

3,638

2,926

0

15

560

0

1,214

1,234

1,143

1,214

0

3,332

0

4,817

0

an

6,817

0

on

4,053

0

an

0

1,856

.

320

0

0
0

434

0

3,638

1,856

1,856

249

3,638

0

15

0

1,143

1,100

0

1,792

4,053

"

1,100

o

320
249

1,100

1,323

0
0

1,030

1,030

53

1,509

0

49

53

0

1,323

o

1,509

1,323

a

1,509

581

0

Total his-Protest Foods

1,178

322

111

o

/

Feed

6,396

0

120a Seels Land-Lease
Other Foodstuffs

6,996

a

Teaste

was Vitalize

66

5,897

1,270

0

o

face) Ruts free Turkey

Other Pate

0

Spires

#115 Timering Extracte

49

66

0

0

Coffee

0

Tea

581

0

110 Table Salt

1,178

0

103A Canned Fruits
1038 Canced Vegetables
1094 Freeh Fruits
1018 freeh Vegetables

1,270

7,467

11,200

27,954

0

0

as Song Stock

322

0

5,897

322

a

6.0%

322

111

0

6.0%

1,270

Soap

9,690

7,369

0

155,759

o

200,802

1,648

0

200,802

0

137,820

0

554

0

1,270

556

9

12,234

137,820

3,361

556

0

Concentrated Juices

3,365

181

295

0

1,713

0

15,327

405

619

2,942

0

18,564

0

18,564

0

14,843

105

0

5,994

1,224

0

6,722

95

0

6,722

2,951

0

6,453

0

5,739

0

6,239

o

5,099

5,099

6,239

196

453

4,082
0

3,845

3,845

172

3,288

2,623

3,288

487

1,296

282

4,576

983

983

5,111

4,394

0

983

5,428
6,520

0

300

181

118,000

5,824
26,409

29,914

0

2,941

2,140

896

34,867

1,882

0

29,698

600

628

2.140

286

454

0

151,215

750

23,406

0

2,250

735

0

31,033

28,843

21,829

0

203,665

24,332
35,796

2,951

177,000

-

227,755

14,843

Purees

1,020

24,332

6,451

1564 truss Vegetable Pastes

11,145

48,417

1,100

0

1128 Concentrated Cereals
1148 fried Soups
123 Cheese

309,583

51,312

8,050

0

and Jeans)

372,394

227,755

300

2 2044 Oriel Prults
DOLN bried Engatables (Except Peas

539

12,112

4,068

26,409

PIII Oriel Eggs

637

108,070

108,070
12,112

29,698
5,824

fried Wilk
Canned Wilk (Condessed & Evap.)

20,664

0

39,514

51,312

166,630

22,938

1,532
18,162

0

372,398

183,970

4.143

0

183,299

404

16,846

0

/

32 Seya Grite

16,040

0

22,938

6,861

3,148

o

183,970

7,560

72

104,789

o

93,354

289

236

0

0
0

4,844

7,560

302

0

93,254

146,651

14,842

499

0

146,651

1.604

18,249

0

1,604
76,877

914

39,514

Suya Flour

236

236

T

9,993

26,134

149,552

222,760

15,192

3,293

25,929

581

0

12) Oleomargarine

358,917

15,993

76,877

183,299

Shortening

428,528

15,993

1,604

205,334

IN Vegetable Gila

429,528

3,932

4.434

0

T

1.604

306,000

192,128

26,212

581

0

12,109

1,447

4,740

0

TO

14,842
0

3,442

0

4,997

92,869

0

95,196

192,128

140,517

215,184

39,200

Total See and Soap Stock

130

209,855

Fat Cuta

Total Concentrates etc.

28,116

70,924

5,062

4,493

437,917

3.54 lard

PILL

5,809

19,303
75,168

209,855

butter)

20

18,407

20,428

97,733

1078 Carter's forwed (85% second grade

Total Vegetable Oils, etc.

364.23

18,807

20,428

375,836

not earned

IF LOTA butter

444,718

18,807

14,849

4,886

pa lacked Wests
Seusage Mest Preparations
the

tasket Meats

444,718

7,466

600

53,975

4,063

Other Animal Fats Oile
Total Asteal Fate, Fat Cuta and

5,362

97,733

3,932

as

41,377

5,360

375,836

pill Canned Dehydrated Meats

a

54,426

5,360

333,334

500,000

23 Cannel Meet
as Camel Tuebonks
Total Cannel Meet

56,826

2,208

0

a Sign from other Sources

1944.

0

Sugar from U.S. Mainland

Feb. 29

leg .

0

Total thest. Careals, etc.

675

a Route

0

Other Seate Grain WILL Prode
112% Other Pintabed Careals . Prode
1018 trial Pass beans

200

5,809
28,116

27,576

206,926

35,830

206,926
7,466

2014 other Grains
thest Flour

as

12,304

2,208

Balance

0

as

v. R.

desiting
Forward-

0

POCISTUFFS (tens)
Road

In

After
Export

Lest

0

1944

Diverted

invived

Exported

0

2/29/44

0

Date

Offering

Made

1/1/0

Feb.

To Date

.

Red

During

Avail

to

.

Item

Made

offered

Int

Protecal

las, - and 3rd Protessis

Comulative Performance

Exported

February 29, 1944

M

303,446

loss are 2,000 the set might
Petroleum Products and Foodstuff - available .. exported

Includes for disersare through Perstan Carridar reported arrived is Persian Gulf parts

1943 discharged is T.L. considered as emiting formating state other data 1. not available is Bachington

by agreement resultment for "Meet, Flow, Careals, etc. Impensed by 100,000 tess. with . corresponding reduction is *Super free Other

foursee.

by agreement Name Meet* - reduced - 2.17 tess for each - of despirated met chipped

1,000 long - of Concern all being furnished by B.E. - . transfer of - under Article v. B.S. - reduced - short

- monthly February June.

Deaft give to 171

Simitary by Publ
3/39/14.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT

In the Executive Order creating the War Refugee Board you
directed that the Board make appropriate recommendations to you
to overcome any difficulties encountered in the rescue and relief
of war refugees.

Although the Board has already initiated many measures which,

if fully implemented, may result in saving the lives of refugees,
there is one basic obstacle which lies athwart all our efforts.
This is the simple fact that the United Nations have not been

prepared to supply even temporary havens of refuge for substantial
numbers of the persecuted peoples of Europe, particularly the Jews.
Why This Is The Main Obstacle

The following brief summary will reveal why this constitutes

the basic weakness in our whole program.

(1) Our best chance of saving many people from death, parti-

culorly after recent events in the Balkans, lies in an effort to
convince the Hitlerite forces, and more particularly their functionaries and subordinates, that it is in their interest to spare the
lives of these people. In this connection, the statement issued

by you on March 24, which is being given the widest possible

ublicity in German controlled territory, will of course be most
helpful toward this end, especially if followed by concrete action.
(2) And there is also an opportunity to actually bring some

of these people out of enemy territory. The recent developments

In the Balkans limit opportunities there, but there still remains
possibility of stimulating the flow of refugees to Spain and

SwItzerland.

(3) It is essential to both of these avenues of approach,
that we and our allies convince the world of our sincerity
willingness to bear our share of the burden. Thus, great
would be added to our threats, and other countries would
ZOPE ready to cooperate in aiding the escape of refugees,
It clear now by action that our doors are open to these
The United Nations must not merely threaten our enemies

to stop killing Jews; the United Nations must offer
Jens themselves. Only in that my can the great moral

Involved be made clear.

-2Such a step would show the Germans clearly that our
of punishment and promises of action are not mere words.
is even possible that after such an announcement the Germans

light be prepared to release or permit the escape of these
recouted peoples.

(5) And such a step would certainly cause the neutral
countries to encourage the entry of more refugees into their
territory since they would then know that they would not be
required to keep all refugees until the war ends. Thus, one

of the reasons why we are not meeting with any success in Spain

is the fact that the Spaniards are not convinced that we will
take the refugees off their hands. Although we have been stating
for 8 long while that we are going to take the Jewish refugees
In Spain to a small camp in North Africa, none have been moved

there to date. This has been due primarily to the reluctant
ettitude of the French. And the inarticulate major premise of
the French attitude undoubtedly is the conviction that such
refugees are to be dumped and left in French Africa and that
neither the United States nor Great Britain will receive them.
Proposed Solution
John W. Pehle has strongly recommended that this Government

act at once in this hunanitarian cause and announce to the world
that we will provide temporary havens of refuge in this country
for all oppressed peoples escaping from Hitler - these people to
be placed In camps established in this country and to remain there

until the termination of the war at which time they will be re-

turned to their homelands.

Nature and Benefits of Proposal

(1) Under this proposal the refugees would be treated in
effect as prisoners of war. They would be brought into the country
outside the regular imnigration procedure just as civilian internees

from Latin American countries have been brought here and placed in
Internment camps. No violation or attempt to evade immigration
laws would be Involved since the refugees would remain only until
the termination of the war and would not come in under the quota
system. There could be no objection on security grounds any more

then in the case of prisoners of war.

(2) The principal United Nations involved have already agreed
each of them will receive after the war its nationals who
fled for their lives and have been given asylum in other
These nations have also agreed that it is a part of
policy to assure such conditions in enemy and enemy

countries as will permit the return thereto of all persons
therefrom who have sought refuge elsewhere. This agree-

concurred in by the United States, Great Britain,

173

-3Soviet Union, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Norway, The French
littee, Greece, Belgium, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the
otherlands should serve to make clear to those concerned that
such refugees as may be accepted in camps here will be returned

to their homelands at the end of the war.

(3) The humanitarian considerations which might be urged
against the confinement of the refugees are answered by the simple

fact that treating them as prisoners of war is better than letting
than die.

(4) The general idea has been discussed with a number of
organizations, Jewish and non-Jewish, and they have all expressed

Meir roval. Most of them feel that it is by far the biggest

step the Board can take to accomplish the purposes for which it

RBS established.

(5) The necessity for unilateral action now by this Governart lies in the fact that we cannot expect others to do what we
ourselves will not do, and if we are to act in time we must take
the lead.

(6) The practical effect of such a step by the United States

might be tremendous. Our allies would without doubt follow our
lead. That this country, which has always been a refuge for the
fugitive from injustice, oppression and persecution, should take
ship in this matter would be in keeping with our heritage

and with our ideals of liberty and justice.

(7) In the hearts and minds of all peoples under Nazi domination and throughout the world such action might well have an effect
ver. much favorable to our whole war effort and to our reputation
as 8 nation which has always carried the torch in great undertakings.

(8) Even if no refugees were ever actually brought to these

camps, the mere announcement of our readiness to receive them

would remove the basic obstacle to our efforts to save them. In
view of geographical and time factors, it is not likely that many
clugees would actually come to the United States. The important
is that we offer to receive them.
Risks of Proposal

following risks involved in this proposal must be weighed
the humanitarian and other considerations mentioned above:
The danger that such B program would result in . breakdown

lgration laws. The point inco is that no matter what we

174

-4these people returning to their homes when the

they will not want to return, and that an almost

pressure will be created on Congress to change the

such people to remain in this country.

The danger that it would provoke unfavorable public
would give anti-Semitic and other groups as well
certain elements in Congress an opportunity to attack you
the Board.

Recommendation of the Board

Secretary Hull, Secretary Morgenthau and Secretary Stimson

carefully considered this proposal at the meeting of the Board on
March 21. Although there was no disagreement as to the potential

benefits of such a program, Secretary Stimson felt that the risks
involved outweighed the benefits. It was decided that in view
of the importance and urgency of this matter and the great

responsibility involved in making a decision; it should be subbitted to you for your consideration.
In your consideration of how this matter could be presented
to the public, you may wish to examine the attached draft of a

statement which might be issued by you.

We would appreciate an early expression of your views.

Secretary of State.

Secretary of the Treasury.

Secretary of War.

175

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

As President of the United States, I have recently
expressed the horror with which this nation views the
systematic extermination of the Jews and other minorities

by the Nasis. To the Hitlerites, their subordinates,

functioneries and satellites, to the German people and
to all other peoples under the Nazi yoke, I have made clear

our determination to punish all participants in these acts
of savagery. In the name of humanity I have called upon
them to spare the lives of these innocent people.

I have said that we shall find havens of refuge for
these persecuted people and that we shall find the means to

assure their maintenance and support until the tyrant is
driven from their homelands. Let it now be proclaimed to
the world that this great nation, which from its inception
has been a refuge for the fugitive from injustice, oppression
and persecution, is prepared to furnish temporary asylum for
all pressed persons who escape from Hitler. Although all
such people so brought into this country will in view of
military necessities be required to remain in refugee centers
during their stay here and subjected to the same security
restrictions as prisoners of war, they will receive the
humane treatment which our civilization provides, and here

they will be safe. Upon the termination of the war they
will be sent back to their homelands.

With the cooperation of the other United Nations we
determined to insure that refugees from death may live
scain on their own soil. To this end those members of the
ited Nations principally concerned have already pledged

are

Chemselves to insure that refugees who are given asylum

other countries will be welcomed to their native lands

After the FBP.

Our action is not merely the performance of a humanitarian

luty; It Is the final symbol of our triumph, under Divine
over the forces of darkness that would have ensleved

M

EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
WAR REFUGEE BOARD
WASHINGTON 25, D.C.

MAR 29 1944

My dear Mr. Secretary:
I am forwarding to you herewith

the proposed minutes of the third meeting
of the War Refugee Board.

The approval of these minutes

will be on the agenda. for the fourth meeting
of the Board.

Very truly yours,

W. Pehle

Executive Director
The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury

176

177

Minutes of the Third Meeting of the
War Refugee Board

Held in the Office of the Secretary of State, 10:15 A.M., Tuesday,
March 21, 1944.

Present: Secretary
Secretaryof
ofthe
State
Hull (acted
as Chairman)
Treasury
Morgenthau
Secretary of War Stimson
Assistant Secretary of War McCley
Acting Executive Director, War Refugee Board,
John W. Pehle.

The Board took the following action:
(1) The minutes of the second meeting of the Board, held
on February 4, 1944, were approved.

(2) The Acting Executive Director summarized the develop-

ments since the last meeting, including the following:
(a) Rescue activities through Turkey, especially
the work of Ira Hirschmann, representative of
the War Refugee Board in Ankara. Mr. Hirschmann
has succeeded in evacuating children and some

adults from Bulgaria through Turkey to Palestine
and in obtaining Turkish Government's permission
for the use of Turkish beat to evacuate refugees
from Constanse to Istanbul.

(b) Rescue activities through Spain, including the

efforts of the War Refugee Board to remove from
Spain the refugees now in Spain so that the
Spanish Government will be more helpful in
permitting refugees from France to enter Spain.
Pehle reported that the Board had been unable
to get any real measure of cooperation from
Ambassador Hayes in Madrid and consideration

was being given to the steps which could be taken

to solve this problem.

(a) The psychological warfare program, including
cooperation of OWI, the warning to the satellite
governments made through various neutral governments, and the proposed statement by the President.
Secretary Hull indicated that the British Government
has asked for two days in which to consider the
statement.

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(d) Cooperation of Russia. The State Department has
sent a strong cable to Harrison at the Board's

request soliciting the assistance of the Soviet

Government in the work of the Board.

(e) Financing of the War Refugee Board's operations.
It was made clear to the Board that no projects
are being refused because of lack of finances
and adequate financial assistance is available
from private agencies. As recommended by the
Acting Executive Director, the Board took the
position that it was not necessary to ask Congress
for an appropriation at this time, but that if, at
a later date, private finances were not adequate
an appropriation could be requested. The Board
was advised that the sum of $100,000 in private
funds was available to the Board for financing

confidential activities and that the $1,000,000

obtained from the President's funds was largely
being used for payment of the salaries and other
administrative expenses of the Board. $200,000
of this amount is being made available to the

Intergovernmental Committee as this Government's

contribution to the Intergovernmental Committee's
work.

(3) Secretary Morgenthau reported that at the President's

request he had had a conference with Myron Taylor,
American Delegate to the Intergovernmental Committee,
and had explained to Mr. Taylor the accomplishments

of the War Refugee Board in the short time it has been
in existence. Mr. Taylor has invited Sir Herbert
Emerson and Patrick Malin to come to the United States
to confer with the War Refugee Board concerning mutual

problems.

(4) The Executive Order establishing the War Refugee Board
provides that the Board shall make frequent reports to

the President. Pehle indicated that a report to the

President was being prepared and that it would be
circulated to the Board members for approval in the
near future.

(5) The Board then gave careful consideration to a recommendation by Pehle that temporary havens of refuge be provided
in the United States for all oppressed peoples escaping
from Hitler. Under this suggestion these people would
be placed in camps established in this country and remain
there until the termination of the war at which time they
would be returned to their homelands. Pehle urged that

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the Board recommend to the President that he announce

publicly that the United States was willing to take
these people for the duration of the war in order to

save their lives, and pointed out the many advantages
inherent in such action. There was a general discussion
of the proposal and it was agreed that the matter should
be placed before the President.

(6) The Board discussed naming Pehle as permanent Executive

Director and Pehle's designation was agreed upon subject
to the President's concurrence. (The Acting Executive

Director was not present during the discussion of this
item.)