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THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

February 19, 1943.
MEMORANDUM FOR

H. M., JR.
Thank you ever so much for

the Annual Report. It is grand.
I have read it from cover to

cover. I can recite the tables
from memory backwards and for-

wards. There are only 400
pages of them.

Hoping you are the same.
F. D. R.

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February 19, 1943.
MEMORANDUM

TO:

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM:

Mr. Gaston

I checked my files to make certain that Senator
Downey had never made a recommendation for the dis-

placement of Collector George at San Diego and the
appointment of Mr. Izac's candidate, Thomas E. Moss
of North San Diego. There is no recommendation from
Downey in the files, but I have a memorandum of my
conversation with him on July 14 1941, in which he
said he was "under some pressure but that his dis&

position was "simply to let the matter float without

any recommendation one way or the other" and he
wanted to know if that would be agreeable to me.

I

said it would. He asked if it would be all right for

him to say to the people who were pressing him that
the Treasury's wish was to permit George to hold on

for the present. I told him it would be all right
for him to say that.

We have never had a recommendation on the

subject from the Democratic National Committee. We
have not asked their opinion because we never had a
recommendation from the Senator. Unless we get a
positive recommendation from the Senators we natur-

ally look to the Committee to initiate any strictly
political action.

I believe our understanding now with Mr. Izac
and Miss Gahagan is that we are to do nothing unless

or until we receive a letter from the Senator.

mr

SUBCOMMITTEES
TREASURY AND POST OFFICE

LUDLOW

CHAMMAN

DEFICIENCY

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
WASHINGTON,D.C

February 19,1943.
Mon.Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington,

Dear Mr. Secretary:

Many thanks for your king note in regard to Ex-Congressman Schulte.

I have written to Mr.Schulte, who is at his home in Indiana, and when I hear from him I will communicate with you.
With best regards, very sincerely yours,

laws hudlaw
New

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY.

February 19, 1943.
Mail Report

Although it had lost some of its drive, tax mail

was again heavy during the past week. It showed a

surprising and interesting shift in opinion. As against

the previous week's mail receipt, when there were 88
pro-Ruml letters and only 30 anti-Ruml, this week's
receipt contained 32 pro-Ruml and 39 definitely anti.
Altogether, there were 82 endorsements of some sort of

pay-as-you-go plan, and 3 letters of disapproval, in
addition to the 39 protests against "forgiveness".
Other letters of comment, suggestion, or inquiry about

income taxes totaled about 100. Among these were suggestions that Bond payments be substituted for 1942
tax payments; protests against simultaneous payment
of 1942 and 1943 obligations; and a number of complaints

against proposed higher taxes. Several writers urged
that if tax payments are postponed, taxpayers should be
required to take out insurance in order to protect the
Government.

Fewer newspaper clippings were submitted during

the week. The syndicated article by J. P. McEvoy
entitled, "A Letter I Would Love to Mail", was sent
in time after time, usually anonymously. There were
also a number of copies of a cartoon showing the

Secretary asking Bond subscriptions on the one hand

and "complicating" tax payments for our citizens on
the other.

There were 7 attacks on the Victory Tax, and 6
resolutions from CIO Unions asking that retroactive
wage awards for 1942 should not be subject to the 1943
Victory Tax.

Favored last week by a ratio of 5 to 1, the Sales
Tax this week had only a slight lead with a ratio of
4 to 3.

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY.

February 19, 1943.
Mail Report

Although it had lost some of its drive, tax mail

was again heavy during the past week. It showed a

surprising and interesting shift in opinion. As against

the previous week's mail receipt, when there were 88
pro-Ruml letters and only 30 anti-Ruml, this week's

receipt contained 32 pro-Ruml and 39 definitely anti.

Altogether, there were 82 endorsements of some sort of

pay-as-you-go plan, and 3 letters of disapproval, in
addition to the 39 protests against "forgiveness"
Other letters of comment, suggestion, or inquiry about

income taxes totaled about 100. Among these were suggestions that Bond payments be substituted for 1942
tax payments; protests against simultaneous payment
of 1942 and 1943 obligations; and a number of complaints

against proposed higher taxes. Several writers urged
that if tax payments are postponed, taxpayers should be
required to take out insurance in order to protect the
Government.

Fewer newspaper clippings were submitted during

the week. The syndicated article by J. P. McEvoy
entitled, "A Letter I Would Love to Mail", was sent
in time after time, usually anonymously. There were
also a number of copies of a cartoon showing the

Secretary asking Bond subscriptions on the one hand

and "complicating" tax payments for our citizens on
the other.

There were 7 attacks on the Victory Tax, and 6
resolutions from CIO Unions asking that retroactive
wage awards for 1942 should not be subject to the 1943
Victory Tax.

Favored last week by a ratio of 5 to 1, the Sales
Tax this week had only a slight lead with a ratio of
4 to 3.

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-2Memorandum for the Secretary.

February 19, 1943.

Bond mail was light. There were occasional

references to the drive planned for April -- most of
them favorable. A new subject for complaint arose in
connection with an apparently expensive mailing tube

used the

recently
by reports.
War Savings Several Staff Members in distribut- of Congress
ing some
of its

criticized the waste of metal and other materials in
the tubes, as did one or two industrial leaders.

for were Patchogue,

Fifty-three Bonds were sent to the Secretary

and
N. personally
Y., 5, Wurtland, redemption; Ky. 12 Individual postmarked complaints

numbered 44, two-thirds coming from personnel of the
War Department; employees of the Picatinny Arsenal of

Dover, N. J., expressing unusual dissatisfaction.
There were a few letters questioning the legality
of the recent release of Federal Reserve greenbacks,

and a few discussing the $25,000 salary limitation.

In the latter, the ratio in favor of retaining the

ceiling was 3 to 1.

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GENERAL COMMENTS

William J. VanDine, Adjutant, John H. Page Camp, No.106,
Bloomsburg, Pa. We deplore the fact that we, the members of the United Spanish War Veterans John H. Page
Camp, being a camp of nine members, the smallest in

the State of Pennsylvania, are unable to serve in the

Armed Forces of our country against the common enemy,

and inasmuch as it is very doubtful whether any of our
members would be alive at the maturity of the Bonds
that might be purchased by the Camp, we, as an organi-

zation, desire to express our appreciation of the free-

dom enjoyed in this great country of ours, and so a

small bit toward winning this terrible conflict. We

are therefore enclosing our check drawn to the Treasurer
of the United States in the sum of $25, as a small contribution toward the defraying of the expenses of the
present conflict.
John A. Sessions, Chairman, Hadley Salvage Committee,

Hadley, Mass. I am enclosing a check for $117.50
which represents the sale of 25,725 pounds of scrap,
plus one old harrow. The scrap was collected by a
group of men in that section of Hadley known as North

Hadley, during the scrap drive last fall. * I should
add that this gift is still more significant because
it is the result of many hours of work after the farm-

ing work days were finished, and that the prime movers
in it were Polish-Americans, many of whom have relatives

in Poland. A similar group in the center of the town
collected over 40 tons for the benefit of the town Fire
Department. I mention this because it is indicative
of the spirit we Yankees can well follow.
Ben DuBois, Country Bank Division, Independent Bankers

Association, Saukcentre, Minn. (Telegram) Country Banks
are encouraged in your statement in support of their

contention that they should have first opportunity to
supply credit needs of farmers. That competition from
agencies of Agriculture Department is not justified of
present condition.

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W. C. Hubbell, President, The Harvard State Bank,

Harvard, Ill. We wish to ask you to use your influence
toward ending the multiplication of bureaus extending

socialized credit. We have particular reference to the

proposed revival of the RACC. In our opinion there
is absolutely no necessity for renewing the activity
of RACC at this time. There are two banks in Harvard
having between them at least one-half million dollars
which they would welcome an opportunity to invest in
farm credit.

We respectfully call your attention
to the fact that banks are daily performing valuable
services for the Treasury Department in the distribu-

tion of War Bonds. Socialized Credit Agencies cannot perform such services, but if they are permitted
to multiply and compete with banks, when they are not
needed, It is only a question of time until thousands
of banks will be forced to liquidate because of competition subsidized with Federal funds.
E. W. Clark, Chairman of Board, United Home Bank &
Trust Company, Mason City, Iowa. There is much un-

bridled talk circulating around these days which has
a bad effect on the people and on the banks. The

statement is to the effect that it is the policy of
the Government - the Secretary of the Treasury - as
they state it, to freeze all bank deposits, or at

least al savings accounts. These rumors ran rampant
on the western coast of the United States and are now
being circulated freely around the middle-west. Perhaps in the east too, I do not know. The source of
course is that somebody from Washington told someone

else, and it was straight, etc. The effect that is

observed is not good. People are putting their money
in safety deposit boxes or keeping it at home. We
advise them if they are uneasy, to put ALL their money
in War Bonds, but all they seem satisfied with is hoarding the money. Do you not believe a straight talk by
the Treasury Officials over the radio as to how unfounded are such rumors would help straighten out a
situation like this? The banks do not care so much
for the money these days as they have more than they

can loan, but it is not a good thing for the people to

begin this rumor stuff.

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-3Favorable Comments on Bonds

Senator John Thomas (Idaho) transmits letter he has
received from Elbert Stellmon, (Lawyer), Lewiston,

Idaho, which reads as follows: # * * I personally

know of many instances at the Farragut Naval Station
project where employees would work one or two months
and then leave the job for some other employment. A
certain percent of these persons' wages was withheld
by the employer for the purchase of Bonds. These
employees were making good money and many of them,

especially if they worked only a short time, left without getting their Bonds, or apparently without giving
them a serious thought. It would seem to me that

some Governmental Agency should investigate this

thoroughly, and that the simplest process would be to
cancel the Bonds that were purchased and have been

uncalled for, and that all moneys withheld be returned;
certainly the employer or contractor should not retain
them.

Larry Bell, President, Bell Aircraft Corporation,

Buffalo, N. Y. # * * More than a year ago we learned
that the school children of East Aurora, a small

suburban community not far from Buffalo, were engaged

in a project to "buy" a cannon-carrying Army P-39

Airacobra for $50,000. It was not until January 8th
of this year that the goal was reached and a delegation

of four youngsters, accompanied by Supt. of Schools,
William Bumgardner, and High School Principal, Joseph E.

Barber, came to our Niagara Falls plant with a certificate from the East Aurora postmaster testifying to

the success of their effort. In addition to the thanks

voiced by the Corporation, Major Milo H. Miller, Army
Air Forces Resident Representative at Bell Aircraft,

personally thanked the group for their patriotic action
and escorted them through our plant. Later, as a more
positive display of appreciation, Major Miller arranged
that three Airacobras, engaged in routine flight work,

should fly in formation over East Aurora. This un-

solicited action so impressed the East Aurora schools

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-3Favorable Comments on Bonds

Senator John Thomas (Idaho) transmits letter he has
received from Elbert Stellmon, (Lawyer), Lewiston,

Idaho, which reads as follows: # * * I personally

know of many instances at the Farragut Naval Station
project where employees would work one or two months
and then leave the job for some other employment. A
certain percent of these persons' wages was withheld
by the employer for the purchase of Bonds. These
employees were making good money and many of them,

especially if they worked only a short time, left without getting their Bonds, or apparently without giving
them a serious thought. It would seem to me that

some Governmental Agency should investigate this

thoroughly, and that the simplest process would be to

cancel the Bonds that were purchased and have been

uncalled for, and that all moneys withheld be returned;
certainly the employer or contractor should not retain
them.

Larry Bell, President, Bell Aircraft Corporation,
Buffalo, N. Y. # # More than a year ago we learned
that the school children of East Aurora, a small

suburban community not far from Buffalo, were engaged

in a project to "buy" a cannon-carrying Army P-39

Airacobra for $50,000. It was not until January 8th
of this year that the goal was reached and a delegation

of four youngsters, accompanied by Supt. of Schools,
William Bumgardner, and High School Principal, Joseph E.

Barber, came to our Niagara Falls plant with a certificate from the East Aurora postmaster testifying to

the success of their effort. In addition to the thanks

voiced by the Corporation, lajor Milo H. Miller, Army
Air Forces Resident Representative at Bell Aircraft,
personally thanked the group for their patriotic action
and escorted them through our plant. Later, as a more
positive display of appreciation, Major Miller arranged
that three Airacobras, engaged in routine flight work,
should fly in formation over East Aurora. This unsolicited action so impressed the East Aurora schools

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-4that within two hours the students had raised another
$50,000, equaling the sales record which previously
had taken them an entire year to reach. They are now
concentrating upon the sale of enough Bonds to buy

a

third P-39, and have, I understand, already sold in

excess of $8,000 worth. * *

T. G. Nicholson, President, The First National Bank,

Gretna, La. It has occurred to me that there exists

the possibility of an enormous saving in money and manpower in the sale of War Savings Bonds if steps were
taken to encourage the purchase of Bonds of larger
denomination, rather than so many of the $25 denomina-

tion. This saving would begin with the issuing agents
and extend right up to your Department. Such saving
would then be further extended by cutting down the
number of Bonds to be redeemed. I think there are

large possibilities in this connection, particularly

in the payroll deduction section of the program for
War Savings Bond sales. I believe this idea merits
consideration.

D. Cunningham, Assistant to the General Manager,
Tokheim Oil Tank and Pump Company, Fort Wayne, Ind.

The pamphlet accompanying your letter, entitled,
"It Takes Both", produced by the War Savings Staff,

is excellently done, and we should like to obtain 650
copies of it for distribution to our employees.

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-5Unfavorable Comments on Bonds

Congressman Dave E. Satterfield, Jr., (Virginia).
I have just received through the mails, a graph de-

tailing the extent of participation in payroll savings

plans for War Savings Bonds, and another graph cover-

ing sales of U. S. Savings Bonds. Unquestionably the
information is valuable to each Member of Congress.
I found these particular graphs in my mail box this
morning, enclosed in a cylinder of heavy cardboard
about a quarter of an inch thick, capped on each end

with metal caps. I am utterly astounded that this

information should be so expensively sent to each
Member of Congress. I am writing to you to ask that
you furnish me with a statement as to the cost of the
graphs and container, and how many of them were sent

out. I have received a lot of literature of one kind

and another, but my dear Mr. Secretary, this was evi-

dently put up with the idea of sending it to the North
Pole, and in my judgment, it is the purest bit of un-

warranted waste that I have seen since being in
Washington.

Morton Margolis has
Mrs. Morton Margolis, N.Y.C.
deducted every week from his salary $6.25, or 10%; for

this he is supposed to receive War Bonds. The first
Bond he did receive, and it was issued by the Federal
Reserve Bank. However, from that time until the present
he has not received any Bonds. The time mentioned is
approximately 7 months. Naturally, he went to the
Personnel Office of the Shipyard, (Federal Shipbuilding
and Dry Dock Co. -- a subsidiary of U. S. Steel -Kearny, N.J.) to inquire about his Bonds, and he was
sent to the Federal Reserve Bank located on Liberty
Street, N.Y.C. At the Bank he was informed by a Mr.
Harris in the Bond Department that they are no longer
issuing Bonds for the Shipyard, as the Yard is issuing
its own Bonds, and because of this, nothing could be

done for him at the Bank. Back again to the office at

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the Shipyard he was informed that he had to go to the

Federal Reserve Bank as they were the only ones who

could help him. So he went back to the Bank, and was

again sent to the Yard. Finally, after a few weeks

of running back and forth, he was given some attention
at the Yard, and told that his Bonds would be reissued.
Then came week after week and no word was heard about

the case. He is still contributing his 10% each week,
still unshaken in his faith that at one point, something will be done in his case.
Thomas J. Cody, Postmaster, Peoria, Ill. So many War
Savings Bonds, especially the $25 issue, purchased by
employees through payroll deductions, are being presented

for payment, it is necessary for me to establish a
window in the lobby for this purpose, and designate certain employees to certify to the request for payment.

My deduction
William J. Corr, Seattle, Washington.
is $6.25 per week - my last Bond was delivered in Sept.
This a.m. I was offered a Bond dated December. If this

is an isolated case, it is not important. If it is not,
I think it deserves your attention. The dollar a year

man who you sent out to give us a talk, put on an act

like an adagio dancer, he jumped up and down that much.

However, we put it over in spite of him.

L. Charles Croy, Manager, Savoy Shoe Co., Inc., Elizabeth,

Pa. In answer to your letter under date of Jan. 14, the
writer first wishes to advise that all employees of this

corporation are committed to purchase 10% of their gross
wages in War Bonds for the duration. For your informa-

tion beg to state that we brought the matter of in-

creased percent of wage deductions to be used for the
purchase of War Bonds to their attention. Their answer
to us was unanimous for an increase up to 15% for all

of our employees, with the provision that we obtain for
them information as to why the balance of American in-

dustries is not on record as of this date of being en-

rolled 100% in the 10% wage deduction plan. They refer
particularly to Government employees such as we find all
around us, in the Army and Navy depots, as well as the
airport at Middletown, Pa.

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-7A. D. Nast, Jr. , President, Western Insulated Wire,

Inc., Los Angeles, Calif. # * * We are hereby notify-

ing you that as of today, we are not deducting 10%

for War Bond purchases from our CIO members. Yester-

day, they handed us a written petition signed by the

members of Local #1421, rescinding their approval of
the deduction. We regret that we have to take down
our 10% flag, and that the Treasury Department will
lose this weekly revenue.

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-8Favorable Comments on Taxation

W. S. Heitzman, Osceola, Neb. I am a retired farmer,
have filed my income tax report and paid the 1942 tax

in full, $489.00. I expect everybody else to do the

same. All people have had ample notice that the tax
would be higher and if they did not save enough out

of last year's earnings to pay up, let the sword of

Damocles hang over them. I do not see how a farmer
can pay currently. He does not know what his income

will be, his taxes or his upkeep, until the end of
the year. Pay-as-you-go is all right for a salaried
man, but no good for a farmer.

Mrs. Vivian B. Eaton, Route 1, Renton, Wash. During
the past year we have gone without many things that

we needed in order to buy Bonds and save enough to

pay our income tax. # We are quite willing to pay
this tax and we desire that every one else does like-

wise. It is time that a lot of people 1 earned that
life is more than a song and a dance, and it is no
time to let people with large incomes skip a year's
taxes. If taxes aren't paid now while people have
plenty of cash -- the people who have been thrifty

will be paying the cost of the war in its entirety.

I trust the Government will not be foolish enough to
skip 1942 taxes, and I hope they start collecting
1943 before it is over.

Harold P. Ackerman, Drexel Hill, Pa. (Written from
Hotel Statler, Washington, D.C.) Evidently your
position on the income tax has given your local papers

reason to ridicule your stand. As an ordinary whitecollar citizen, I realize how tremendous your task

must be to finance a War such as we now have upon our

hands. * * I walked into the Philadelphia Office of
Internal Revenue yesterday. I obtained an ordinary

attendant and showed him my earnings. He helped me

insofar as taking out legitimate deductions and then

passed me my bill for 1942. "You owe $990.90", he

said. I paid one-half -- $495.45. Of course, this

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-9seems a lot for me. I have just bought a new home;

I have three children, and I love my family. Do you

think $990.00 could be too much to pay for the protection we have had in 1942? And as for 1943, I'm

willing to go along as you see fit. I realize how
much soldiers and sailors need. I was in there for
awhile last time, so please, Mr. Secretary, don't
feel that what our local Washington, D. C., papers
show, or try to instill into the people, is the
sentiment of all America. * * My old boss, Mr. Woodin,
was blessed with being relieved by death, rather than
face the type of "Americanism" displayed now by some

of our patriots. May you survive this ordeal and make
it possible for this our land to remain America.
(Telegram) 21,000 members of the Westinghouse Local
601, East Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, recommend pay-asyou-go plan, but not the Ruml Plan.

Edward W. Geldreich, Emporia, Kan. At this time

we should also ask if the Treasury Department could

not make broadcasts, either special or in the ordinary
course of broadcasts, concerning the Ruml Plan, and
the income tax due on the 1942 incomes in an attempt
to negate the information being handed to the public
in the reactionary newspapers, and on the radio. We

have in mind, particularly, the radio reports of Fulton

Lewis, Jr., on the Mutual Network, which are attempting
to point out as a grasping, thievish uncle, our Uncle
Sam. The people are entitled to know the truth and to
see their obligation toward their Government.

J. D. Platt, Cleveland Heights, Ohio. I am greatly

concerned that as much as possible of the cost of this
war be paid out of tax receipts as we go along. I am

very much afraid of what inflation will do to my family

if this is not done. Naturally, I look to you to do

everything in your power to solve this problem quickly --

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so our country will be strong financially to fight the
war, and so we citizens can be spared from inflation.
I take the liberty of urging on you that this can best

be done by putting tax collection on a current basis.
I personally favor the Ruml Plan. It is good business
and will bring in more money to the Treasury. Befogging
the issue with talk about having business houses cancel
their claims against customers and the danger that a

few rich men might profit, are simply appeals to prejudice and are not a realistic approach to "what is best
for the greatest number". The fact that some of us were
sufficiently self-disciplined and farsighted to save
our tax is ample guarantee that we would not squander

it and contribute to dangerous inflationism tendencies.

I for one could pay off part of a loan against my life

insurance which became necessary during the depression.

Charles G. Joseph, Recording Secretary, United Steel
Workers of America, Local 1132, Hammond, Ind. At their
recent meeting, this Local agreed that the 1942 income
taxes should not be cancelled because our national
expenses are enormous and it is expedient to collect

all taxes and more taxes for the war effort. We feel
that a policy should be formed on ability to pay. We

oppose the Sales Tax for this reason, or any other
loophole that would deprive the working man of the nec-

essities essential in his efforts to do all he can to

win this war.

Oscar H. Stemberg, Oradell, N. J. My sincere congratulations at the radio talk given by The Three Financial
Musketeers -- Senator George, Congressman Doughton and

yourself. It was concise and understandable, so conspicuous by its difference from explanations given by

Mr. Ruml and his cohorts. * Please convey my
felicitations to your two partners on today's radio
program, the Honorable Senator and Congressman.

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- 11 Unfavorable Comments on Taxation

J. F. Robb, Tax Service Company, Philadelphia, Pa.
The problem is how to get their Corporate Income
and Excess Profits Tax returns prepared and filed by

*

March 15, 1943. In the district in which we are
located, Form 1120 was not distributed until the past

week. Form 1121 was distributed to some taxpayers at
the same time by inserting a copy with their Form 1120.
We are in the accounting business and have been unable

to get a sufficient supply of Forms to serve our tax-

paying clients. In fact, up until today we did not

have a copy of Form 1121 in the office. Due to the

complexity of the Government tax returns, most corpora-

tions require outside help so that the returns will be

prepared properly, in accord with the law and regulations. The condition described above throws all the
work of preparing the returns into the period of about
one month preceding March 15, due to the fact that the
Forms are not available to prepare. We suggest that a

blanket extension be granted until April 15 to all

corporations.

Melda N. Jennings, Flushing, N.Y. While listening to
your radio address last night, in which you urged immediate payment of 1942 taxes, the thought struck me
that if the thousands of postal employees who do not

receive an official statement covering the amount of
their earnings for preceding year from their immediate

superior, until well into March, were to receive an

earlier statement, these employees could make a much

earlier tax return. I don't know that all postal em-

ployees receive a last minute official statement of

their earnings, but this practice is usually prevalent
in the Railway Mail Service in particular. Last year

we did not receive our salary statements until well
into March.

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- 12 J. Raymond Malloy, The Commissioner of Motor Vehicles,

State of New Jersey, Trenton. I'm mad -- damn good and
mad, because of the income tax muddle this year. Listen,
Mr. Secretary, everybody in the United States was all

set to file their return and start paying their tax by

March 15th until this "pay-as-you-go plan came along,
and now I doubt if anybody has as much as filled out

their return as yet, although we know it must be filed.
I don't think 1942 taxes should be cancelled, and I do

think "pay-as-you-go" should be adopted. Since your
Department has all data on this vital matter, why don't
you have someone introduce a Bill or take the necessary
I understand you will
steps to insure this idea.

be on the radio tonight -- I'll be listening.

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- 12 J. Raymond Malloy, The Commissioner of Motor Vehicles,

State of New Jersey, Trenton. I'm mad -- damn good and
mad, because of the income tax muddle this year. Listen,
Mr. Secretary, everybody in the United States was all

set to file their return and start paying their tax by

March 15th until this "pay-as-you-go plan came along,
and now I doubt if anybody has as much as filled out

their return as yet, although we know it must be filed.
I don't think 1942 taxes should be cancelled, and I do

think "pay-as-you-go" should be adopted. Since your
Department has all data on this vital matter, why don't
you have someone introduce a Bill or take the necessary
I understand you will
steps to insure this idea.

be on the radio tonight -- I'll be listening.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

February 19, 1943

Frances McCathran
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES BEFORE CONGRESS

1. Tax: Pay-As-You-Go - The House Ways and Means Committee,

which yesterday ignored the President's request to reconsider the Disney amendment on salary limitations, today
expects to vote on three major proposals for putting taxes
on a current basis. None of the plans, however, endorse
the Ruml plan of completely skipping one year's taxes,
although all three involve a certain amount of "forgiveness".
2. Post-War Planning - In a statement criticizing the Administration, Senator Byrd claims that the problem of post-war
planning should be handled by Congress or, he claimed,

there would be "a repetition of those fiscal policies that
have nearly wrecked the nation". He urged Congress after
a "full and careful investigation" to evolve a program
that "will take into consideration not only the needs of

the American people in the transition period from war to
peace but also the preservation of those fiscal policies
which are necessary for a solvent government, without which
our democratic institutions will be destroyed". Continuing in the same vein, he voiced approval of the elimination
of funds for the National Resources Planning Board from
the Independent Offices Appropriation Bill, and differed
strongly with the President's statements in his Tuesday
press conference which depicted Administration policy as
those of true economy.

3. Manpower - Two bills attempting to solve the farm manpower
problem will be presented to Congress shortly by Senator

Bankhead. The first would grant deferment from the draft
to every bona-fide farm worker and further would freeze him
in his job unless released by his draft board to do other
agricultural work or enter the service. The second Bankhead
bill would require the Secretary of War to furlough until
next January all soldiers who immediately prior to induction

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had engaged in some agricultural occupation. The bill also
provides that where the wages for farm labor are below the
army base pay of $50, the furloughed soldier will be "en-

titled" to the latter, and since, according to Agriculture
statistics, this is frequently the case, this provision
will complicate the already disputed problem of farm labor
costs. Voicing the opinion of the majority of the Senate

Agriculture Committee, Senator Ellison D. Smith called it
"nonsense" to talk of putting 11,000,000 men in the armed
forces. Dissatisfied with what he termed unsatisfactory
answers on the subject from Major General Lewis B. Hershey,
Smith plans to call Army Chief of Staff, General George C.
Marshall, to testify before his committee. In line with
this growing Congressional dissatisfaction with the manpower situation, the House Military Affairs Committee
yesterday approved the Kilday Bill which would provide
uniform rules for the induction of men in each state.
First group of men to be called to the armed forces under
the Kilday Bill would be unmarried men with no dependents;
second group, unmarried men with financial dependents; the
third category would include married men with no children
provided the marriage took place before December 8, 1941
or when induction was not imminent; and last to be called

would be married men with children. Both Bankhead and

Kilday claim they have enough support for their bills to
ensure their passage in both houses of Congress.

4. Dies Committee - Despite recent debate on the necessity of
continuing the Committee at all, the House yesterday voted
$75,000 to the Dies Committee to Investigate un-American

Activities for the continuation of its program. The House

also voted $60,000 to the special committee headed by
Representative Cox to investigate the FCC, and $100,000 to
an Appropriations sub-committee to hear disloyalty charges
against government officials and employees.

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Original to Dr. White 2/20

POST OFFICE Box 6677

205

1601 V STREET N. W.
WASHINGTON. D.C.

February 19, 1943

The Honorable Henry J.Morgenthau, Jr.
Secretary of the Treasury
Department of the Treasury
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr.Secretary,

In reference to the request of the Chinese

Government for drawing U.S.$20 million from the un-earmarked

portion of the U.S.$500 million loan, I wish to express on
behalf of His Excellency Dr.H.H.Kung our sincere appreciation
for Your Excellency's untiring assistance and cooperation

and I should be oblidged if you would kindly give instructions
to have the said U.S.$20 million transferred to the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York for the credit of the account of
"The Central Bank of China as Fiscal Agent of the Government
of the Republic of China".
With renewed thanks and kindest regards,

Yours respectfully,

Hei Te-Mou

Representative of the
Ministry of Finance and
the Central Bank of Chi

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Mr. Welles says that it is all right for you
to discuss this cable with your friends, but

he would not like to have you give out any
copies.

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THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON

February 19, 1943
Personal and

Confidential

Dear Henry:

I am sending you herewith a paraphrase of a telegram received from our Embassy in London, dated Febru-

ary 18, which I read to you just now on the telephone.
Believe me

Yours very sincerely

Neths
Enclosure:
Paraphrase of
telegram from

London.

The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury.

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PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM

FROM:

American Embassy, London

TO:

The Secretary of State

DATED:

February 18, 1943

According to the Foreign Office, this story was
given to it by the Jewish agency approximately one month
ago. The British Embassy in Washington has been requested

by the Foreign Office to find out if the Department has
any information about the matter. It seems apparent that
"officials who are in charge, in Rumania, of Jewish interests" offered the Jewish Agency to give per head the
amount of 250 pounds sterling for the transfer of Jews
of Rumanian nationality--about sixty or seventy thousand
persons. It was stated by the Foreign Office that
this might possibly be an attempt, on the part of certain
circles in Rumania, to show that the Rumanians did not
approve of the Nazi extermination of the Jews, although

this offer was described by the Foreign Office as blackmail. It was further stated by the Forei gn Office that
that Office had no previous news of the injection of the
Bishop of Bucharest and the Vatican into the plan.

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February 19, 1943.

FOR THE SECRETARY:

The French North African authorities are attempting
to use the funds frozen in the United States belonging to the
former French Government to pay the salaries of the officers and
crews of the French men of war now in the United States.

It is obvious that there is no real need for these
funds to be used as the North African authorities have at their
disposal $40,000,000 resulting from payments made by the United

States military forces in North Africa.

It seems clear that the French group in North Africa
are motivated by political reasons in pressing for access to

the funds of the former French Government. The use of these
funds under Treasury directive could not be kept confidential.

It would serve to strengthen the position of the North African

group as the de facto successor to French sovereignty and antag-

onize the Fighting French group. If it is decided that it is

imperative that French Government funds be used for this purpose,
it is suggested that the Free French be advised thereof and

accorded similar facilities.

There need be no unreasonable delay in using the funds

now available to the North African authorities.

JWPehletAFlafordsow

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Feb. 19, 1963
Mr. White

Miss Kistler
Subjects Financial Position of the Normagian Government in Exile
?

The information submitted by the Norvegian representatives gives the following
picture of the financial position of the Norvagian Government in exiles
1. As of June 30, 1942, the Central Bank and Government of Herway hold
about $300 million of foreign exchange assets as follows:

(In millions)
Gold

of this amount 834 million is hold in the United

$ 55

States and, assording to the information - -

ceived in December 1940, the remainder is held in
Canada.

U.S. dollars

78

of this 858 million is held by the Norwegian
Shipping and Trade Mission, a Government agency

set up to centrol the Norwagian Mercantile Flost.
Sterling
These balances are held by the Norwagian Shipping
and Trade Mission. The figure compares to $170

160

million reported by the British as held by the
Norvegian Government on September 1, 1942.

of the $360 million of sterling hold on June 30,
$3.08 million represents insurance received for
shipe lost and presenably is not available for
any purpose other than to reinburse the ship
emore.

Canadian dollars

These balances are hold by the Norwegian Shipping
and Trade Mission.

4

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Division of Monetary
Research

2. Almost three-fourths of the expenditures of the Norwegian Government
in exile are not out of earnings of the Normegian Merchant Marine.
This source accounted for 858 million of the 873 million of income
received by the Norwegian Government in exile during the fiscal year
1941-42.

The less of ships is reducing the Morragian Government's income from

this source. of the 3.9 million gress tens of Morrogian shipping

which had come under the control of the Norwagian Government in

exile in April 1940 (out of total Normagian tonnage of 4.6 millies
gross tons) over 40 percent, or 1.6 million, had been lost by the
close of 1942.

3. Over too-thirds, OF $48 million, of total expenditures of the Norwegian
Government in exile during the fiscal year 1941-42, were for the
Army, Navy and Air Forees. The only other significant item is the pay
ment of interest and amortisation on the Norwegian public debt. The
servicing of these obligations requires about $11 million annually.
The budget for the fiscal year 1942-43 has not yet been completed.

4. The Norwegian Government in exile had a total of 8175 million of direct

and guaranteed obligations outstanding on June 30, 1942, of which about
$100 million were obligations payable in U.S. currency. The remainder
are payable in pounds sterling, Swedish kroner and Swiss and French francs.

5. Information for the current fiscal year is not available, but we are given
to understand that the balances held by the Norwegian Government have
been running about the same as at the close of June 1942.

THK:rl 2/19/43

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P. M.

concerning Expenditure and Income, Liabilities and Assets of the
Norwegian Government, etc.

It is of course impossible to give any adequate information as
to the economic and financial status of Norway, as long as the country
is occupied by the Germans. The tremendous robbing and destruction

of capital 'which has taken place and still continues is only partially
known.

The consolidated Norwegian State Budget, confirmed by the
Norwegian Government and the King of Norway in London, shows the follow--

ing expenditure in pound sterling for the fiscal year 1941-1942
(complete budget for 1942/43 not yet adopted):
The Royal House

Cabinet and Central Administration
Storting (Parliament)
Government Auditing Office

Information Office

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Ministry of Church and Education

Ministry of Justice
Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs
Ministry of Commerce

Ministry of Supply
Ministry of Finance
Ministry of Defense (Army,Navy,Air Forces)
Sundry Expenses

Capital Outlay

b

64,000
125,880
5,000
14,400
58,525
337,390
112,705
4,825
555,500
355,121
17,500

1,823,857
12,139,630
367,522
2,208,127

This total Government expenditure of 118,189,982 was covered

by income in the following way:
Taxes and Dues
Various Fees
Repayments

Income from Government Agencies

Interest etc

Sundry Income

Transferred from the Norwegian Shipping
and Trade Mission

L 3,000,000
9,702
91,914
426,770
15,000
31,596

14,615,000

Since the evacuation of Norway June 7, 1940, the Norwegian

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-2merchant marine constitutes the main financial basis of the
Norwegian Government. The merchant ships are entirely private pro-

perty, but have been requisitioned for use by the Government. In
conformity with Norwegian constitution and law the ship owners are

to receive full compensation for the use of the ships, as well
as for amortization and payment for ships lost. At the present time
it is impossible to foresee what this compensation will amount to.
According to preliminary calculations, the expenses which the
Government has incurred so far, would roughly correspond to the
amount of taxes and legal charges which would be due on shipping
incomes, based on pre-war tax rates.

Of the total expenditure of about 72 million dollars,
according to the State Budget for 1941-1942, more than 2/3 went to

the Army, the Navy and the Air Forces, a little more than 1/5 for
payment of interest and amortization on Norwegian public foreign

debts and about 1/10 for the foreign and other civil service. The
servicing of Norwegian Government and Government guaranteed dollar

loans and interest payment on Norwegian municipality dollar loans

requires about 11 million dollars annually.
The income from the merchant marine has been considerably

reduced, owing to the big tonnage losses sustained. Norway had at

the time of the invasion (April 9, 1940) a merchant fleet of about
4.6 million gross tons, of which 3.9 millions came under the control
of the Norwegian Government (exercised through the Norwegian Shipping

and Trade Mission, usually called Nortraship). At the end of 1942
1.6 million gross tons or more than 40% had been lost.
The Norwegian Government and Government guaranteed foreign

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-3. -

debt totalled about 175 million dollars on June 30, 1942, of which about

100 million dollars were obligations in dollars in the U. S. (and
and French

the remainder in Pound Sterling, Swedish Kronor and Swiss/Francs).
As a basis for the emission of currency the Norges Bank (Bank of
Norway), now, together with the Government, having its seat in London,

has at its disposal gold of 55 million dollars value and an additional amount of 20 million dollars as foreign exchange reserve. Of this
gold a quantity valued at 33.7 million dollars was temporarily transferred to the Norwegian Government and is now held in safekeeping

in the U. S. A.
The accounts of the Norwegian Shipping and Trade Mission

(Nortraship) as of June 30, 1942, have not yet been completed.
Nortraship had, on the said date, in cash and due from banks and in

securities 40 million pound sterling, 58 million U. S. dollars and
4 1/2 million Canadian dollars. Of the said sterling amount
27 millions represented insurance received for ships lost. On the
same date, the balance of dollar accounts in the Federal Reserve
Bank of New York and other American banks in the name of the
Norwegian Government and the Bank of Norway totalled about 28 million

dollars. The Government and the Bank of Norway had securities in
foreign currency (mostly Norwegian Government dollars bonds) of par

value approximating 20 million dollars.
It cannot be too strongly emphasized that the above enumeration
of the present assets of the Norwegian Government gives only a very

onesided picture of its financial status. If one takes into account
the heavy latent financial obligations which rest on the Government
with regard to compensation for the use of the privately owned
merchant marine, as well as regards the coming tremendous demands

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215

for funds for rehabilitation and restoration of Norway, in addition
to the heavy foreign indebtedness, it will be realised that the assets
referred to cannot by any means be considered net balances.

The Norwegian authorities possess no reliable information, even
of an approximate character, as to the size of private Norwegian assets

and liabilities in foreign currency.
The Norwegian Government has fulfilled, after the invasion

as always before, all its contractual foreign obligations ( in allied
and neutral countries).

Norway's needs for funds for relief, rehabilitation and re-

construction after its liberation will, of course, be very great as
compared with the country's resources, and this will particularly be
the case with regard to U.S. dollars.

Washington, D. C., February 9, 1943.

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COPY FOR: Miss Chauncey

Distributed to:

Secretary

Secretary's files

Ltr. Bell
The original statement was left with
Mr. White by representatives of the
Norwegian Legation
on Feb. 16, 1943.
L.S.

Mr. B. Bernstein
Mr. E.M. Bernstein

Mr. Blough
Mr. Cairns

Mr. Foley

Mr. Gaston
Mr. Haas
Mr. Johnson

Life. Paul
Mr. Pehle
Mr. Southard

Mr. Sullivan

FROM: MR. WHITE

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February 19. 1943.

Dear Mr. Payeens

The Secretary has received year letter
of February 18, together with the copy of
Mr. Holson's February report to the President
on production performance against materials
and equipment commitments of the Second
Bussian Protocol.

Mr. Hozgeather very mach appreciated

receiving this report, and has asked - to

Sheak you for conting 19 to him.

Sincerely yours,

(Signed) H.S. Klotz
E. s. Niets,

Private Secretary.

Mr. a. A. Poyser.
Doputy Director, Foreign Division,
Yes Production Board,
Weshington, 3. a.

GEF/dbs

File in Diary

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WAR PRODUCTION BOARD
WASHINGTON, D.C.

February 15, 1943

IN REPLY REFER TO

Mr. Henry Morgenthau
Room 280, Treasury Department
Washington, D. C.
My dear Mr. Morgenthau:

I am transmitting for your information a
copy of Mr. Donald M. Nelson's February report to the

President on production performance against materials
and equipment commitments of the Second Russian Protocol.

I would appreciate any comments you may wish

to make in regard to either the report itself or the

performance record to date.

Sincerely yours,

E. A. Peyser
Deputy Director

Foreign Division
Attachment

POR VICTORY

BUY
UNIVER

WAR
STAMPS

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WAR PRODUCTION BOARD
WASHINGTON, D.C.

February 15, 1943

SECRET
IN REPLY REFER TO

My dear Mr. President:
The accompanying tabulation shows the progress made during

January, and during the seven months ending January 31, toward fulfil-

ment of Second Protocol materials and equipment production programs

for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

As can be seen in the tabulation, production performance,
except in the case of industrial equipment, cable, bearings, and
certain miscellaneous items, has been generally satisfactory. Shipments of nonferrous metals have continued to equal or exceed Protocol
requirements. The same is true of chemicals and of high priority
carbon items, with the exception of bullet core and some wire products.
Alloy steel, though still (9%) behind schedule, has shown further
improvement as a result of increased melt allotments. Deliveries of

low priority carbon steel, including railroad material, have, in

keeping with agreements with Soviet representatives, remained extremely small because of the existence of excessive seaboard stocks

(i.e. stocks sufficient to meet indefinite shipping requirements at
the present rate of liftings). Ferro-alloy shipments have also

begun to be affected by the size of unshipped stocks.

The lag in industrial equipment items has been the subject
of a careful study by the War Production Board during the past month.
While shipments have recently sharply increased, it is felt that the
situation is still unsatisfactory. The Government Purchasing Commission
of the Soviet Union has been requested, therefore, to select from the
approximately $400,000,000 worth of industrial equipment that it has
on order, items totaling $100,000,000 in value which it considers to

be most urgently needed. It is intended to make every effort to effect
delivery of these selected items prior to June 30, 1943. If successful,
this, together with deliveries already made, will result in deliveries
exceeding the guaranteed Second Protocol commitment of $150,000,000.

The situation in regard to cable has also been thoroughly
investigated. Because of the extended time required in the fabrication process, deliveries, particularly in the case of power cable,
have so far been such as to lead to the fear that it would be difficult

SVICTORY

BUY
WAR
BONDS
AND

STAMPS

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--

SECRET
to meet Protocol requirements by June 30. The investigation has
revealed, however, that of a total of 239 contracts for various

cable items, the great majority are scheduled to be completed

before the end of June. It is hoped that of those extending be-

yond June, most can be expedited so as to secure delivery by the

earlier date. In a few cases, however, it appears that because of
delays in placing orders this will be impossible.
Although there is no Protocol commitment for bearings,
the War Production Board has undertaken to meet relatively large

Soviet requirements. Deliveries against orders have until the

present been slow. The reasons for this have been an acute shortage
of bearing steel, large domestic requirements for tanks, planes, and
machine tools, and the fact that in many cases bearings requested
by the USSR are of a type which American manufacturers are not equipped

to produce. A study which has just been completed, however, indicates that an immediate improvement can be expected. Bearing steel
allotments have been considerably increased, and re-tooling to take
care of unique Soviet orders has been completed by several manufacturers. The General Industrial Equipment Division reports that
accelerated shipments may be anticipated between February and July.
Detailed comments on other items in the Russian program

are included in the tabulation.

Respectfully yours,
/a/
Donald M. Nelson

The President
The White House

Washington, D. C.
Attachment

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221
STATUS OF MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT COMMITMENTS UNDER THE SECOND RUSSIAN PROTOCOL. AB or FEBRUARY 1, 1983

SECRET

(JANUARY DELIVERY DATA SUBJECT TO REVISION)

SECRET
ITEM

UNIT

ADJUSTED

MADE AVAILABLE

IND PROTOCOL

AT MILL IN U.S.A.

TOCOL

PRODUCTION

ITEM

PROGRAM

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JAN. 1 JAN. 31

JULY JMN. 31

3/

y

PERCENT or

RATIO or ACTUAL

BALANCE 10

IND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

AB OF FEB. 1

COMPLETED

PROT.SCHCO.-100)

COMMENTS

TO SATISFY
2ND PROTOCOL

AB OF FEB. 1
y

PROD. PROGRAM

S.T.
S.T.

.

FERROUS METALS

, ALUMINUM 140019

13.579

9,510

1,689

11,790

36,690

1,689

25,369

27,100

JA DURALLANIMUM

214

-

-

AT THE REQUEST or SOVIET REPRESENTATIVES. THE ORIGINALLY
SCHEDULED DIVISION or ALUMINUM BETWEEN ALUMINUM INDOTO

11,321

AND FABRICATED ALUMINUM (CURALUMINUM) HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY
SHIFTED so as TO INCREASE FABRICATED SHIPMENTS.

119

69

S.T.

(2,280 Excess)

13,602

#6
50

124

(TOTAL ALUMINUM

THE PRODUCTION PROGRAM SHOWN 18 AN ESTIMATE. THE MOOREL

COMMITMENT so FAR 10 FOR ONLY 5700 S.T., BUT THIS " ONLY
FOR THE PERI 00 JULY 1, 1942 TO MARCH 31, 1943. THE CST BATE
GIVEN 18 BASED UPON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE SCHEDULE FOR

MIXE (NICKEL METAL CONTAINED METAL)

1.000

S.T.

5,650

976

THE THIRD QUARTER OF THE PROTOCOL PERIOD (1.E. 100 S.T.

2,150

124

72

PER MONTH) WILL or CONTINUED IN THE FOURTH QUARTER. BE
DELIVERY FIRMES INCLUDE SHIPMENTS or NICKEL as SUCH

(1950 S.T.) AND NICKEL DELIVERED TO MILLS IN THE U.S. FOR
FABRICATION or STEEL, PURE NICKED WIRE, AND NICHRONE WERE
FOR U.S.B.R. ACCOUNT.
POLYSOENUM DELIVERIES HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED AT THE EXACT
4,000

107

62

2,492

.

S.T.

RATE CALLED FOR BY THE PROTOCOL. THE FACT THAT TO DATE

1,508

DELIVERIES ARE AHEAD or PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS 18 DUE TO

,

OVERSHIPMENTS AGAINST CONTRACTS.

ME PRODUCTION PROGRAM SHOWN 10 FOR COPPER TO or SHIPPED
AS BUCH AND COPPER TO K SHIPPED AS CONTAINED METAL IN
PRODUCTS OTHER THAN MILITARY PRODUCTS. THE DELIVERY FIGURES INCLUDE COPPER IN (1) REFINERY SHAPERS (2) PURE COPPER

PRODUCTS (3) COPPER BASE ALLOVES (b) WIRE AND CABLE) AND
' COPPER (COPPER METAL & CONTAINED METAL)

S.T. (134,400)

(13,732)

(13,463)

(55)

(95)

(60,668)

(5) MANUFACTURES OTHER THAN MILITARY MANUFACTURES. THE
BLIGHT LAS IN DELIVERIES BEHIND PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS 10

DUE TO THE LAG IN CABLE DELIVERIES. IN ORDER TO BAFEBUARD
AGAINST THIS LAB IN CABLE DELIVERIES MAKING IT INPOSSIBLE
FOR THE FULL PROTOCOL COMMITMENT TO BE EXPORTED TO THE

U.S.S.R. BEFORE JUNE 30. 1942. SOVIET REPRESENTATIVES HAVE
BEEN AUTHORIZED TO REQUISITION COPPER ITEMS CONSIDERABLY
IN EXCESS or PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE of THE URGENT NEED of THE U.S.S.R. FOR CARTR DOCK

ROLLED COPPER (COPPER BASE ALLOYS ONLY)

S.T.

109,411

69,361

9.389

40,050

109

63

BRASS AND OTHER COPPER BASE ALLOVE. THE COPPER DEVISION
HAS SCHEDULED ON BOVIET ACCOUNT THE MAKSHUM QUANTITIES
WHICH AMERICAN MILLS CAN PRODUCE.

THE U.S. 10 CURRENTLY service 1000 S.T. PER MONTH IN
EXCESS of PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS. THE FIGURES GIVEN ARE

,
11

S.T.

INC

29,000

19,618

3,500

"

117

9,382

FOR ZINC TO BE EXPORTED as SUCH. AM EVEN GREATER QUANTITY
HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO U.S. HILLS FOR USE IN PRODUCTING
PRODUCTS CONTAINING ZINC ON U.S.S.R. ACCOUNT.

COPPER 90008 AND RICES

S.T.

15,148

11,369

2,599

226

34 NICKEL-CHRONE WIRE

S.T.

538

15

129

3.779

SCHEDULES CALL FOR CONTINUED ENTIMENTS IN EXCESS or
PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS.

"

12

312

SCHEDULES CALL FOR A CONTINUATION of THE ACCELERATION of
DELIVERIES SHOWN IN JANUARY.

61

to OFFECT LOSSES of MERCURY SUPPLIES LOST IN SOUTHERN

RUSSIA, MERCURY EXIPIENTS THREE TIMES as GREAT AS CALLED
FOR BY THE ENTIRE PROTOCOL COMMITMENT HAVE BEEN MADE.
896

S.T.

300

.

" MERCURY

299

515

(596 EXCESS)

THERE EXIPRENTS, ACCORDING TO DOVIET REPRESENTATIVES, WILL

a AMPLE TO MEET RUL U.S.S.R. REQUIREMENTS UNTIL
JULY 1. 1943. NO FURTHER DELIVERIES DURIVE THE SECOND
PROTOCOL PERIOD ARE, THEREFORE, EXPECTED.

SECRET

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222
ADJUSTED
ITEM

UNIT

MADE AVAILABLE

IND PROTOCOL

AT MILL IN U.S.4.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. 31

PROGRAM

SECRET
MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JULY JAN. 31

3/
3/

y

RATIO or ACTUAL

BALANCE TO

2ND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

PERCENT of

COMPLETED

(PROT.SCHED. #100)

as or rea. 1

PROO. PROGRAM

.

172

2

100

172

.

.

.

#

S.T.

2

Tax

100

.

S.T.

TO SATISFY
2ND PROTOCOL

y

" LEAD

COMMENTS

AS rea. 1

.

COMMITMENTS FOR TIM, LEAD AND VARIOUS FOILS WERE INCLUDED

FOIL
"

100

172

200

345

.

.

.

S.T.

169

100

172

52

THERE REQUIREMENTS HAVING BEEN BATHSFIED, NO FURTHER
SHIPMENTS ARE ANTICIPATED.

(1 EXCESS)

.

1

A

.
C

N BABBITT METAL

.

S.T.

.

NICKEL

IN THE BECOND PROTOCOL TO MEET SPOT SOVECT REQUIREMENTS.

52

98

2

S.T.

"

.

TIN

"

.

S.T.

,

ALUMINUM

SOVIET REMENDATAVES MAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO REQUISE
TEOM " S.T. OF BABBITT RETAL IN EXCESS OF THE PROTOCOL
COMMITMENT TO REET THE NEEDS of THE FISHING INDUSTRY.
THE ENTIRE SECOND PROTOCOL COMMITMENT FOR CADMIUM MAS

" CASHIUM

S.T.

BATHERIED BY THE DID OF OCTOBER, 1942. NEVER THELESS,

100

12

137

137

236

(57 excess)

BECAUSE of NEW REQUIREMENTS RESULTING FROM MILITARY

REVERSES, SHIPMENTS ARE BEING CONTINUED AT THE RATE or
12.5 S.T. PER MONTH.
ORIGINALLY, THE U.E. was EXPECTED TO FULFILL BECOME
S.T.

144

0

" COBALT

"

134

160

PROTOCOL COBALT REQUIREMENTS. IN SEPTEMBER, 1942, HOWEVER,
THE U.S. ASSUMED THE OBLIGATION. SHIPMENTS DURING

10

NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER WERE GREATLY ACCELERATED so AS TO
MAKE POSSIBLE TAKING ADVANT ADE OF FAVORABLE SHIPPING
OPPORTUNITIES.

THE FIGURES SHOWN AGAINST ITEM 6. COPPER, ARE NOT INCLUDED
IN THE TOTAL FOR NON-FERIOUS METALS BECAUSE THEY ARE
TOTAL NON-FERROUS METALS

EXCLUDING ITEM ' (COPPER)

S.T.

18,226

203,293

135,413

116

61

DUPLICATED ELSEMHERE IN THIS REPORT. IT SHOULD BE NOTED
THAT ALL NON-FERROUS METALS ARE HIGH ON THE SOVIES PRIOR-

61,860

ITY SHIPPING LISTS, AND OVERSEAS SHIPMENTS TAKE PLACE AS
RAPIDLY as SHIPMENTS REACH PORT.
PERRO-ALLOYE

12 FEMORILICON

S.T.

9,408

4,017

728

"

74

5.391

STOCKS OF FERRO-BILICON AND FERRO-CHRONE ADEQUATE TO MEET
APPROXIMATELY SEX MONTHS SOVECT REQUIREMENTS HAVE ACCUR

.

LATED IN WAREHOUSES, IN RAILWAY CARS, AND AT SEARCARD.
S.T.

5.376

.

" FERROCHRONE

"

2,573

as

2,803

OVERSEAS SHIPMENTS CURRENTLY ARE VERY SMALL, FERRO-ALLOVE

BEING LOW ON THE SOVIET MIGRITY SHIPPING LIST.
100

172

2

100

172

100

172

COMMITMENTS FOR FERROVANADIUM, AND

.

.

S.T.

.

.

.

is PERROPHOS MIDRUS

MEET SPOT SOVIET REQUIREMENTS. THESE REQUIREMENTS NAVING

FERROTUNGSTEN VERE INCLUDED IN THE SECOND PROTOCOL TO
S.T.

.

"

2

BEEN SATISFIED NO SHIPMENTS ARE ANTICIPATED.
0

2

S.T.

14,792

728

2

TOTAL FERRO-ALLOW

S.T.

6,598

45

"

.

" FERROTUNGSTEN

8,194

SECRE)

223

223

ITEM

UNIT

ADJUS

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PROTOCOL

AT MILL IN U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. 1 JAN. 31

PROGRAM

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JULY 1 - JAN. 31

y

y

PERCENT or

RATIO or ACTUAL

BALANCE TO

IND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

AS or rea.

COMPLETED

PROT.SCHED.1200)

TO DATESFY

AB OF FEB. 1

COMMENTS

IND PROTOCOL
PROD. PROGRAM

y

ALEX BIREL

POLIGMED DRILL RODE
is

HIGH NEED

S.T.

"

12

OTHER ALLOY

S.T.

as

11

"

"

"

18

,
c

HIGH SPEED TOOL STEEL

S.T.

3,000

192

"

1,374

126

16

69

27

69

2,026

69

819

11

TOOL STEEL

is

ALLOY KLZ

S.T.

700

110

c

ALLOY KIZ

S.T.

650

125

0

ALLOY-OPER

S.T.

6,100

261

44

40

190

103

260

854

3,502

"

103

3,198

.

COLD FINISH BARS

19

ELECTRIC PURMACE or O.M. ALLOY

t

NOT ROLLED ALLOY BARS AND BILLET

N

BILLETS

S.T.

10,635

1,825

3,698

"

"

6,937

S.T.

95,000

11,178

56,100

"

102

38,820

S.T.

95,000

6,271

58,488

62

36,512

107

JANUARY 23, NO MILL SCHEDULES FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY 23

TO JANUARY 30. ILLOY STEEL ITEMS ARE HEAK ON THE SOVIET

a

" STAINLESS STED.

PRIORITY SHIPPING LIST. EVERY EFFORT 10 CONSEQUENTLY

SHEETS

S.T.

2,200

382

17

29

STRIP

S.T.

350

11

267

#2

141

...

#1

244

S.T.

.

NOT ROLLED BARS

ALL ALLOY STEEL DELIVERY FIGURES SHOWN FOR JANUARY ARE
BASED UPON ACTUAL DELIVERIES FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY , TO

1,818
63

"

31

556

BEING MADE TO MEET FULL PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS. BECAUSE

or DELAYS - DEFINING PROTOCOL CONNI MENTS NO. AS a
REBULT, DELAYS IN THE PLACING or ORDERS, DELIVERIES au-

A

.
c

IN THE FIRST MONTHS or THE PROTOCOL PERIOD WERE BLOW.
STEEL WERE

IS

BALL WERE (ALLOY)

S.T.

.

ALLOW ASTH 232

c

ALLOV 4140

1,344

179

S.T.

2,000

"

S.T.

1,200

366

20

"

27

978

695

"

"

171

14

24

1,505

INSURE BRINGING INFORMATION - to PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS

1,023

BY THE DO or MARCH, 1943. M A RESULT or THERE STEPS,
DELIVERIES as OF FEBRUARY 1 MAD IMPROVED TO A POINT WHERE

A

STEEL ALLOY TURES

TOTAL ALLOY SHIPMENTS WERE ONLY " BEHIND PROTOCOL REQUIRE
2,200

"

541

16

1,344

2,795

18

c

600

.

CARBON .5% MOLY. COLD DRAWN

S.T.

2,700

o

CARBON .1% MOLY. HOT FINISHED
M.R. BALL BEARING RASES

S.T.

3,000

1,417

2,573

S.T.

5,400

"

"

a STAINLESS WERE

S.T.

2,000

⑉

1,599

258 OTHER ALLOW VINE

S.T.

2,600

500

1,518

S.T.

254,181

24,812

135,229

.

.
.

.

600

2,700

"

148

2

TOTAL ALLOY STEEL

12,705

31

"

54

"

427

,

15,500

.

S.T.
S.T.

.

n

A

1-66 CHRONE

CARBON 5% MOLY. PIPE SIZES

1,859

28

.

S.T.

.

STAINLESS 10-0

is NOVDISCR, HOMEVER, THE ALLOV SIRUATION was REVIEWED
AND NOT SCHEDULES WERE REVISED IN BUCH A MAY as TO

AND BARS. AND SEVERAL TYPES OF TOOL STEEL WERE STILL CONSIDERABLY BEHIND REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER.

5.317

138

401

100

1,002

91

MENTS. THE no MOST IMPORTANT ALLOY ITEMS, AIRCRAFT STEEL
(ITEM 20) AND SHELL STEEL (ITEM 21). WERE AHEAD of REQUIRE
MENTS. ALLOY TUBES, COLD FINISHED BARS, STAINLESS STIPS

119,255

SECRET

.

,

224
ITEM

UNIT

ADJUSTED

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PRO TOCOL

AT MILL IN U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. 31

PROGRAM

SEGRET

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JULY JAN. 31

3/

y

y

PERCENT of

RATIO OF TUAL

2ND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

as OF FEB.

COMPLETED

(PROT. SCHED.1100)

AS of FEB.

BALANCE TO
COMMENTS

TO SATISFY
2ND PROTOCOL

y

PROD. PROGRAM

se MISMITY NON STEPL
SIMETAL (COPPER CLAD STRIP)

S.T.

20,000

1,876

11,853

"

"

"

102

6,147

"

POLISMED CHILL RODS
PLAIN CARBON

S.T.

125

26

"

91

if

.

TOOL STEEL

PLAIN CARBON

S.T.

3,000

355

"

2,235

114

1,165

If

A

" COLD FINISHED BARS
B.O.M. BALLET CORE

S.T.

10,000

S.T.

67.200

468

2,140

21

0

36

TIM PLATE

as

34,641

52

"

19

1,860

32,552

STEEL WIRE
MUSIC WIRE

is

S.T.

12,000

1,890

5,494

S.T.

12,000

1,433

,

ROPE WIRE

6,104

S.T.

20,000

2,230

13,955

.

CARD WERE

S.T.

t
M

TEL. 4 TEL. WERE
LOW CARBON
SQUARE WERE

J

.

TINNED MRE
MISC. WERE PRODUCTS

S.T.

4,000

DELIVERY FIGURES FOR HIGH PRIORITY CARBON STEEL FOR

"

19

"

51

TO

176

121

"

50

1,175

29

50

6,506
5,896
6,045
174

2,825

S.T.

20,000

2,374

13,538

"

S.T.

117

8,000

6,462

502

5,073

"

126

S.T.

2,127

270

S.T.

100

S.T.

500

"

64

96

24

41

"

302

,

0

ELECTRIC VELDING WERE

"

350

.

WIRE

212

71

14

206

OTHER MIRE ROPE

N

.

TOTAL HEAN MIGRITY CARBON STEEL

S.T.

3,000

157

1,652

S.T.

20,000

4,457

12,035

S.T.

201,345

17,024

JANUARY 2 TO JANUARY 23. AND MILL SCHEDULES FOR THE PERIOD

JANUARY 23 TO JANUARY 30. ITEM INCLUDED IN THIS CATEGORY
ARE THE CARBON ITEMS WHICH THE U.S.S.R. HAS INDICATED THAT
" INTENDE TO EXPORT DESPITE SHIPPING LIMITATIONS. IN THE
CASE or ONE OR TWO of THERE ITEMS, NOTABLY TIN PLATE,
ACCUPULATED STOCKS HAVE BECOME so LARGE THAT RECENTLY

PRODUCTION HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT BLOWED DOWN. DELIVERIES OF

398

"

122

WERE ROPE

A AIRCRAFT

JANUARY ARE BASED UPON ACTUAL DELIVERIES FOR THE PERIOD

OTHER ITEMS, EXCEPT BULLET CORE AND ONE OR TWO WIRE PRODUCTS,
HAVE REPT APPROXIMATELY up TO PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS. THE
LAS IN BULLET CORE AND SQUARE VIRE, THE MOST SERIOUS LAGE

SHOWN, ARE DUE TO LIMITATIONS ON FABRICATING FACILITIES.
55

95

60

111,522

1.34

103

1.965

"

89,823

55

OPEN CARBON STER

COLD FINISHED BARB
S.T.

60,000

S.A.E. 1015-1050 & OTHER PLAIN CARBON

S.T.

20,000

.

,
11

BENEFICE 3/8"-2

1,135

25.350

42

1,897

COLD ROLLED SHEETS

S.T.

75,000

306

COLD ROLLED STRIP

11,417

15

S.T.

60,000

2,191

22,524

38

40,000

891

22.510

56

2,600

"

1,755

A

314 BARBED WERE

. STAPLES

S.T.
S.T.

12

,

19

68

16

26

34,650
16.103

63,583

"

37,476

"

17,490

117

ICE FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY 2 TO JANUARY 23 AND ON MILL
845

12 PIPT AND RUSING

S.T.

6,000

E

ELECTRIC WELD LINE PIPE
SCANLESS LINE PIME

S.T.

35,000

S.T.

15,000

S.T.

40,000

0

0

24,000
15,000

"

10,047

2,850

"

"

3,146

14,571

61

0
to

728

"
30

15

NAME DMILL PIR

.

12,100

S.T.

15,000

.

2,318

SCANLE M OIL WELL TUB ING

S.T.

15,000

.

S.T.

3,000

.

TOOL JOINTS

1,341

9,429

105

12,360

.

,
c

S.T.
S.T.

2.311

16

.

A

M.F. PREM AND MECHANICAL

1,127

103

1,953

15,000
54,272

52

as

26

10

INCE. CURTAILMENT OR SUSPENSION of PRODUCTION HAS, THEREFORE,
BEEN AGREED TO BY SOVECT REPRESENTATIVES. SCHEDULES ARE KEPT
SUFFICIENTLY FLEXIBLE, HOME VER, TO TAKE CARE OF SUDDEN
CHANGES in THE SHIPPING SITUATION.

2,636

141

.

"

.

12,000

60

,

S.T.

ELECTRIC CARDING
SCAPLER CASHIO

in

THE CASE OF ITEMS INCLUDED IN THIS CATEGORY, SUFFICIENTLY

RENTS FOR - INDEFINITE PERIOD AT THE PRESENT RATE OF LIFE

3,623

,

116

0

- DRAWN PRESS AND MECHANICAL

6,000

.

cas PREM AND MECHANICAL

SCHEDULES FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY 23 TO JANUARY 30.

LARGE STOCKS ARE HELD IN STORAGE TO MEET SHIPPING REQUIRE
S.T.

0

- as PRESS AND MECHANICAL

DELIVERY FIGURES FOR JANUARY ARE BASED ON ACTUAL DELIVER

27,900
12,682
15,000
1,659

SECRET

225

ITEM

UNIT

-5-

ADJUSTED

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PROTOCOL

AT KILL 14 U.S.A.

IN U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. 31

JULY JAN. 31

MADE AVAILABLE

PROGRAM

SECRET
PERCENT of
IND PROT.
PROGRAM

COMPLETED

RATIO of ACTUAL

BE PRODUCED

PROT. SCHEDULES

AS or rea. 1

(PROT. SCHED.-100)

AS OF rea. 1

y

BALANCE TO

DELIVERIES TO

COMMENTS

TO SATIRY
2ND PROTOCOL

PROD. PROGRAM

CARBO 4714 (CONTINUED)
HOT ROLLED

S.T.

20,000

CALYMOTED BOOFING SHEETS

S.T.

5,000

S.T.

PLATES

75,000

21,369
2,650

53

114

27,316
3,052

S.T.

6,500

S.T.

13,000

337

STRIP

S.T.

11,000

1,011

10,390

TERM PLATE AND LONG TERME

S.T.

4,000

1,438

3,916

S.T.

6,000

582

1,216

S.T.

1,000

208

2,328

591,100

11,405

213,205

OTHER METAL $ AND STEEL PRODUCTS

S.T.

S.T.

-

TOTAL OTHER CARBON STEEL

-

. NAILA

3.663

"

2,350

36

62

47,684

"

#1

3,446

"

9.337

"

162

610

"

169

28

20

34

"

57

36

-

.

JAA BOLTS,NUTS,RIVETS,CMAINS AND SCREWS

53

(1,369 EXCESS)

100

107

52

STRUCTURAL SHAPES

N.R.BARS AND BAR MILL SHAPES

"

699

SEE PRECEDING PAGE FOR COMMENTS

as

4,764
4,672

62

577,895

"

115,233

"

64,849

DELIVERY FIGURES FOR JANUARY ARE BASED ON ACTUAL DELIVER-

19,525

FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY 23 TO JANUARY 30. VERY LARGE STOCKS

-

DELIS

BAILROAD MATERIALS

101 RAILS

S.T.

175,000

"

59.101

1014 ACCESSORIES

s.t.

60,000

146

15,151

19

Its FOR THE PERIX JANUARY 2 TO JANUARY 23. AND MILL SCHEDULES
102

MOUNTED SETS OF WHEELS AND AXLES

S.T.

36,000

1.338

16,475

103

CAR AMLES

S.T.

60,000

1,668

31,441

16

19

of RAILROAD MATERIALS ARE NOW IN STORAGE AND SHARP CURTAIN
52

90

MENTS IN PRODUCTION HAVE BEEN AGREED TO BY BOVIET REPRE-

28.556

SENTATIVES. SCHEDULES, HOLEVER ARE KEPT SUFFICIENTLY
104

LOCOMOTIVE CAR WHEEL TIRES

S.T.

13,500

893

5,137

"

"

ROLLED STEEL CAR WEDE

S.T.

18,000

518

1,470

"

12

STEEL LOCOMOTIVE AXLES

S.T.

255

23

255

ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE AKLES

S.T.

500

S.T.

383,055

10,685

135,922

PHENOL

S.T.

12,000

1,222

1.997

COMPANY OLYCOL

S.T.

2,400

MRNIDE

S.T.

1,800

S.T.

2,400

NOR PHINALATE

s.t.

3,400

THYLANILINE

S.T.

FLEXIBLE 10 NAME POSSIBLE MEETING DEMANDS THAT MAY ARISE

4.363

AS . RESULT OF CHANGES IN THE SHIPPING " RUATION.

100

TOTAL BAILROAD MATERIALS

.

141

222

10,530

172

100

.

115

14

128

16

"

60

247,134

DENKALE

116

61

4,003

2,400

100

172

1,146

"

110

654

AT SEASOARD. DELIVERIES, WHICH FORMERLY WERE CONSIDERABLY

105

934

REDUCED REVERTHELESS, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION of CENTRALITE,

.

0

16

14

LARGE STOCKS or CHEMICALS ARE ACCUMULATING AT PLANTS AND
155

"

AMEAD or THE REQUIRED PROTOCOL RATE. ARE CONSEQUENTLY SEING
1,466

61

255

2,421

61

116

1,179

3,000

201

2,313

11

133

687

S.T.

1,600

196

1,201

116

596

COLLOXYLIN

S.T.

4,600

551

69

119

1,508

RETHANOL

S.T.

12,000

1,303

54

100

5,046

"

"

"

is

,

"

DELIVERIES HAVE EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT CALLED FOR BY THE

3,292

6,954

'

PROTOCOL.

SECRET

226

224
SECRET

ITEM

UNIT

ADJUSTED

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PROTOCOL

AT HILL IN U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. 31

PROGRAM

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JULY JAN. "

3/

3/

RATIO or ACTUAL

2ND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROT. SCHEDULES

AS OF FEB.

PROGRAM

COMPLETED

(PROT. SCHED."100)

as OF FEB. 1

y

BALANCE to

PERCENT of

COMMENTS

TO SATISFY
2ND PROTOCOL
PROO. PROGRAM

SOUCHER (CONTINUED)

4,105

"

153

S.T.

4,000

300

1.503

"

126

1,297

S.T.

3.600

100

3.413

"

164

167

"

133

S.T.

300

STRONTIUM (s. ORALATE)

S.T.

ROGAL ITE (RHDDARINE a)

S.T.

TORIUM (1. NITRATE)

S.T.

4 ANTHRACEME

S.T.

TOTAL LISTED CHEMICALS

1A OTHER CHOIICALS

1.5

18

1,000

S.T.

59,746

S.T.

60,000

1.5

13.5

be

125

109

16

100

54

25

172

100

4.5

129

75

THE BECOME PROTOCOL CRESCL COMMITMENT " KIV

SATISFIED BY THE U.K.
1,091

233

.

S.T.

"

.

4 POTABOIUM BULPHATE

100

1.5

-

11

s.t.

54

-

4

" CREBOL

,

B

S.T.

116

"

12

'

a

M CERTUR

61

175

25

96

"

5,439.2

N.A.

41,977-3

N.A.

703

105

61

,

BARRUR PEROXIDE

10

SEE PRECEDING PAGE FOR COMMENTS

274

-

120

54

-

S.T.

"

326

-

REBARIN (RESORCIVAL)

to

0.1

-

600

2.3

-

S.T.

CONTRALITE

0.2

435

-

S.T.

.

AMOUNT CYANIOE

#22

,

POTASSIUM NITRATE

4,600

.

MMON OHLORIDE

S.T.

,

UNGIROPING

17,768.1

121

70

N.A.

N.A.

N.A.

(, EXCESS)

EXACT DATA ON DELIVERIES or "OTHER CHEMICALS" ARE NOT
AVAILABLE. IT 10 UNDERSTOOD, HOWEVER, THAT DELIVERIES
ARE SENERALLY SATISFACTORY.

INSURANCE EQUIPMENT

22,404,000

$

15 HARD ALLOVE AND SMALL CUTTING TOOLS

1,342,511

10,216,896

12,187,104

"

"

DELIVERIO TO DATE ARE CONSIDERED UNSATISFACTORY. THE
INDUSTRIAL SPECIALTIES BRANCH OF THE TOOLS DIVISION 10
CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THE CAUSES or DELAYS.
THE PRODUCTION PROGRAM BOWN 10 THE GUARANTEED SECOND

PROTOCOL COMMITMENT. DELIVERIES ABAINST THIS, DESPITE A
STEADY ACCELERATION DURING THE PAST THREE MONTHS, ARE CON-

MACHINE TOOLS

SIDERES UNSATISFACTORY. TO IMPROVE THIS, THE DOVIET

a

B PURMACES
150,000,000

$
"

15,683,936

70,867,658

"

19,132,342

#1

GOVERNMENT PURCHASIVE COMMISSION HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO

SELECT FROM THE APPROXIMATELY $400,000,000 NORTH or COULT

FORGING PRESSES AND NUMBERS

MENT WHICH " HAS ON ORDER, $100,000,000 WORTH WHICH " 16
"

MOST MIXIOUS TO HAVE COMPLETED. A THOROUGH SURVEY WILL BE

VARIOUS INDUSTRIAL MI PREMI

MADE of THE PRODUCT TION STATUS or THE SELECTED ITEMS, AND
EVERY EFFORT WILL BE MADE TO SPEED UP DELIVERSES TO THE
EXTENT DESIRED

TOTAL INDUSTRIAL EqUIPMENT

$

AMERICA

$

67

1,000,000

607,093

2,236,925

176,404,000

17,433,600

83,325,477

56

"

%

#1

1,761,077

DELIVERIES ARE CONSIDERED SATISFACTORY.

93,000,523

SECRET

-1-

227
ITEM

UNIT

ADJUSTED

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PROTOC OL

AT HILL IN U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. "

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

SECRET
PERCENT or

RATIO or ACTUAL
DELIVERIES TO

2ND PROT.
PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

PROGRAM

COMPLETED

V

(PROT. SCHED.=100)

AS OF FEB.

BALANCE TO

BE PRODUCED

COMMENTS

AS 10.1
TO SATISFY
2ND PROTOCOL

PROD. PROGRAM

as MD BUSKAN INC CARLE
MARINE CABLE

REPARTING CABLE

EM.

IN.

1.421

DELIVERIES OF MARINE AND SUBMARINE CABLE HAVE BEEN BLOW
147

700

686

50

338

"

"

"

137

⑉

14

BECAUSE of THE NECESSARY INTERVAL BETWEEN THE PLACING or
CONTRACTS AND THE COMPLETION or FABRICATION. A RECENT
SURVEY INDICATES, HOWEVER, THAT THE SITUATION is GENERALLY
SATISFACTORY AND THAT PRACTICALLY ALL ORDERS WILL BE
COMPLETED BY JUNE 30. 1945.

TOTAL MARINE AND SUBMARINE CABLE

KM.

2,201

1,022

197

- MO OTHER CABLE

"

1,179

19

2

THE PRODUCTION PROGRAMS SHOWN FOR POWER CABLE AND
MISCELLANEOUS WERE AND CABLE DIFFERS FROM THE BECOMO

PROTOCOL COMMITMENTS FOR THERE ITEM BECAUSE THE DOVIET
S.T.

52,666

sn

310

1.1

1

DECTRIC POWER CABLE

52,139

GOVERNMENT PURCHASING COMMISSION ELECTED TO TAKE A PART

a

or THE POWER CABLE COMMITMENT IN THE FORM OF MISCELLANEOUS
144 MBSC. COPPER CABLE AND WERE

WERE AND CABLE. THIS PART OF THE POWER CABLE COMMITMENT
S.T.

52,386

2,970

15,781

52

30

36,605

MAS, THEREFORE, BEEN ADDED TO THE WERE AND
CABLE COMMITMENT. DELIVERIES or CABLE IN BOTH CATEGORIES
HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED VERY UNITATIOFACTORY. FOR THIS REASON,

A CAREFUL CHECK HAS BEEN MADE of THE STATUS of EVERY artSTANDING CONTRACT. THIS HAS REVEALED THAT THE PRIMARY
REASON FOR DELAYS HAS BEEN THE LATENESS IN WHICH ORDERS
WERE PLACED. A CONSIDERABLE ACCELERATION or DELIVERIES 18

ANTICIPATED DURING THE MONTHS or THE PROTOCOL
PERICO. DESPITE THIS, HOME VER A NUMBER of STEPS TO
IMPROVE THE SITUATION FURTHER ARE PLANNED.

11 DOC LAND

S.T.

105,052

S.T.

18,670

16,300

3,260

N.A.

16

1,569

88,744

28

.

TOTAL POWER AND OTHER CABLE

14

17.101

DELIVERIES of LEATHER HAVE BEEN SLOW BECAUSE or DELAYS in
THE PLACING or ORDERS. THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN JANUARY
DELIVERIES AND TOTAL DELIVERIES 14 NOT POSITIBLE AT THE

PRESENT TIME. DUE TO A REVISION of - DEPARTMENT DATA.
MAY BOOTS

PRS. 2,400,000

124,319

1,528,543

MAY CLOSE

Yes. 18,000,000

516,000

8,540,305

"

110

871,457

DELIVERIES ARE SATISFACTORY.

11

IN ADDITION TO THE ARMY CLOTH SHOWN, A LARGE NUMBER OF
47

#1

9,459,095

WOOLEN BLAMKETS AND CONSIDERABLE QUANTITIES of VARIOUS
COTTON MATERIALS ARE SCINE SUPPLIED.

1)

RETERMINE 1
SOVIET REPRESENTATIVES HAVE STATED THAT FOR THE TIME SCIM
13,000

.

S.T.

'

- PLATE

749

10

12,692

THEY 00 NOT DESIRE RETINER DELIVERIES or ARMOR PLATE TO BE
MADE.

-

In PETROLEUM PRODUCTS

75

DELIVERY FIGURES ARE ACTUAL EXPORT FIGURES. SHIPPING
S.T.

240,000

10,152

19,362

"

57

160,638

CONDITIONS, RATHER THAN PRODUCTION CONDITIONS, HAVE
GOVERNED PERFORMANCES.

MEDICINE DELIVERIES NAME BEEN BLIENTLY BEHIND PROTOCOL

YOU. 36,000,000

3,757,462

18,515,979

is

"

17,464,021

REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE or LIMITED MANUFACTURE FACILITIES.
A RECENTLY ARRANGED CONVERSION or and RILLS is EXPECTED

TO RESULT IN - ACCELERATION - DELIVERIES.

SECREI

228

ITEM

UNIT

ADJUSTED

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PROTOCOL

AT MILL in U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. 31

PROGRAM

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JULY JAN. 31

SECRET
PERCENT of

RATIO or ACTUAL

BALANCE TO

2ND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

as FEB.1

COMPLETED

y

(PROT. SCHED-100)

AS of rea.

y

COMMENTS

TO SATIEFT
IND PROTOCOL
PROO. PROGRAM

MATERIALS ITEM (CONTINUED)
5,443,390

2,556,610

117

68

.

.

.

.

S.T.

VISTANCE

3,883

DELIVERIES ARE AHEAD or PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS.

.

YOU. 6,000,000

16 TARPAULTY

"

MORE THAN 90% or THE SHEET FIBER COMMITMENT was NOT REQUI-

BITTONED UNTIL THE LAST of AUGUST, 1942. THE REQUISITION
INVOLVED WAS HELD IN THE O.L.L.A. FOR APPROXIMATELY no
MONTHS BEFORE BEING CLEARED FOR ALLOCATION AND PROCUREMENT.

MA REBULT CONTRACTS WERE PLACED ONLY IN DECORD AND
S.T.

a DECT FISCR

4,361

134

533

12

JANUARY. DELIVERIES CONSEQUENTL . HAVE BEEN CONSIDERABLY

3,828

21

BEHIND PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS. IN ADDITION, PRESENT SCHEDULES

00 NOT CALL FOR COMPLETION of ORDERS UNTIL AUGUST, 1943.
SOVIET REPRESENTATIVES HAVE STATED THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE
CIRCUMSTANCE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DELAY AND 00 NOT ANTICIPATE
FULL SATISFACTION or THE PROTOCOL COMMITMENT UNTIL AFTER THE
END of THE SECOND PROTOCOL PERIOD.
DELIVERIES AGAINST ALL REQUISITIONS SUBMITTED TO DATE HAVE
S.T.

" CONDIDISOR PAPER

240

14

92

"

38

BEEN COMPLETED. THE SOVIET GOVERNMENT PURCHASING COMMISSION

148

HAS NOT REQUISITIONED 148 S.T. of THE 244 S.T. ALLOTTED THE
U.S.S.R. IN THE SECOND PROTOCOL.
E3A CIGARETTE PAPER

S.T.

908

"

696

⑈ PARCHMENT PAPER

S.T.

2,090

1,145

2,098

DELIVERIES AND CONSIDERABLY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

212

133

11

THE ENTIRE PROTOCOL COMMITMENT HAS BEEN BATTERIED. ADDITIONAL
100

(8 EXCESS)

172

REQUISITIONS ARE BEING ACCEPTED TO MEET THE NEEDS or THE
SOVIET FISHING INDUSTRY.

EQUIPMENT ITEMS

BOTH SCHEDULES AND DELIVERIES ARE IN ACCORD WITH
" GRAPHITE ELECTRODES

S.T.

5,840

657

3,460

"

102

2,360

PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS.

A LARGE NUMBER or ORDERS FOR BEARINGS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED
DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE 10 NO GIVEN PROTOCOL COMMISMENT.
DELIVERIES AGAINST THESE HAVE BEEN BLOW TO DATE BECAUSE OF
-

CA.

337.797

1,875,397

THE TIGHTNESS of BEARING STEEL, THE LARGE DOMESTIC AIRCRAFT,

-

" BEARINGS

TANK, AND MACHINE TOOL REQUIREMENTS, AND THE UNUSUAL NATURE

of MANY RUSSIAN BEARING MECIFICATIONS. A THOROLIGH SURVEY
of OUTSTANDING ORDERS, WHICH HAB JUST BEEN COMPLETED. INDICATES THAT FROM THIS POINT ON SOME IMPROVEMENT CAN BE EXPECTED
THE STEEL ALLOTMENT HAS BEEN INCREASED AND SEVERAL PLANTS
HAVE COMPLETED THE RETOOLING NECESSARY TO HANDLE RUSSIAN ORDERS.
LIVERIES HAVE EXCEEDED PROTOCOL REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER,
REQUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED we THOUT REGARD TO STRICT
CALLE AND ROLLERS

EA.

28,000,000

11,346,324

36,205,749

PHOTOCOL LIMITATIONS. DELIVERIES ON SEVERAL IMPORTANT ORDERS

ARE AT PRESENT BEING SCHEDULE. As A RESULT or THE ABOVE
MENTIONED SURVEY, " 16 ANTICIPATED THAT BECAUSE OF THE
FACTORS MENTIONED IN CONNECTION WITH BEARINGS, SOME IMPROVEMENT CAN BE EXPECTED IN THERE ORDERS FROM THIS POINT ON.

NUMBER PRODUCTS

78

(RUBBER CONTENT)

S.T.

40,320

1,207

1,621

19

"

32.693

DELIVERY FIGURES - FOR CONTENT of TIRES AND TUBES
PROCURED BY THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT ONLY.

SECRET

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229
ADJUSTED
ITEM

UNIT

ITEM

MADE AVAILABLE

2ND PROTOCOL

AT MILL IN U.S.A.

PRODUCTION

JAN. JAN. 31

PROGRAM

SECRET

MADE AVAILABLE

IN U.S.A.

JULY 1 - JAN. 31
y

y

PERCENT or

RATIO of ACTUAL

BALANCE TO

2ND PROT.

DELIVERIES TO

BE PRODUCED

PROGRAM

PROT. SCHEDULES

COMPLETED

(PROT. SCHED.1100)

AS or FEB. 1

COMMENTS

as 10.1

TO SATISFY
IND PROTOCOL
PROD. PROGRAM

BUSELLANEOUS EQUIPMENT ITEMS (CONTINUED)
S.T.

n SHOCK ASSOCIATE CORD

an

.

" MIGH PRESSURE NOSE

161
25

"

59

102

481

"

S.T.

34

16

1

DELIVERIES_JO THE U.S.S.R. REPRESENT A LARGE PERCENTARE
or TOTAL COMESTIC PRODUCTION.
$

" METALL K CLOTH AND SCREEN

1,000,000

177,992

736,632

14

126

263,368

THE PRODUCTION PROGRAM SHOWN 10 A TRANSLATION CALCULATED

BY THE BOVSET GOVERNMENT PURCHASING COMMISSION or THE
PROTOCOL COMMITMENT INTO DOLLAR VALUE. DELIVERIES HAVE
BEEN SATISFACTORY.

-

-

-

$

a MISC EQUIPMENT

REQUISITIONS TOTALING $60,000,000 HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED
AGAINST THIS ITEM. PRACTICALLY ALL or THE ORDERS PLACED

-

ANC FOR INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT REQUIRING PROLONDED FABRICATION PROCESSE.

y

BECOND PROTOCOL PRODUCTION PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED (A) TO TAKE ACCOUNT OF THE HODIFICATION OF STEEL REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE 2ND PROTOCOL WORKED OUT BY THE STEEL DIVISION, W.P.B., AND REPRESENTATIVES or
GOVERNMENT PURCHASING COMMISSION OF THE SOVIET UNION, AND APPROVED BY THE REQUIREMENTS COMMITTEE, V.P.B., IN PROGRAM DETERMINATION NO. 2308 (e) TO TAKE ACCOUNT of THE PORTION OF FERROBILICON AND FEMROCHIONE
y

COMMITMENTS WHICH ARE BEING SUPPLIED BY THE U.K., AND (c) THROUGH TRANSLATING BONE COMMITMENTS FROM SHORT TOMS INTO THE UNITS OF MEASURE COMMON USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE ITEMS IN QUESTION.
MADE AVAILABLE DATA IN THE CASE of ALL ITEMS EXCEPT STEEL, RAILWAY MATERIALS, OFTER CHEMICALS, MACHINE TOOLS, ELECTRIC FURNACES, FORGING PRESSES AND MANNERS, VARIOUS INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT, TIRES,

TURES

AND

AND

OTHER RUSSER PRODUCTS, ELECTRIC POWER CABLE, MISCELLANEOUS COPPER CABLE AND WERE. TARPAULIN, SHOCK ABSORBER CORD, SHEET FIBER AND METALLIC CLOTH AND SCREEN INCLUDE STOCKS WHICH WERE ON HAND AS of JUNE 30.
COMMITMENTS
MENTIONED
NOTE
1 ABOVE.2ND PROTOCOL COMMITMENTS. STOCKS OF STEEL ITEMS WHICH WERE ON HAND AS of JUNE 30, WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN ME ADJUSTMENT of STEEL REQUIREMENTS UNDER 2ND PROTOCOL
WHICH VER
AVAILABLEINFOR
AGAINST
y

THE 2ND PROTOCOL CALLS FOR DELIVERIES IN EQUAL MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS." THUS 585 of EACH COMMITMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEL IVERED BY JAN. 31. IF PROTOCOL SCHEDULES WERE TO or MAINTAINED.

was PRODUCTION BOARD

FOREIGN DIVISION
REVIEW AND ANALYSIS BRANCH

FEBRUARY 15. 1543

1942,

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BRITISH AIR COMMISSION

-

1785 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE
WASHINGTON, D. c.
TELEPHONE HOBART 9000
PLEASE QUOTE

REFERENCE NO

With the compliments of British Air Commission
who enclose Statement No. 72 - Aircraft Despatched

- for week ended February 9, 1943.

The Honourable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

WASHINGTON, D. C.

February 19, 1943.

231
SECRET

STATEMENT NO.72

Aircraft Desratched from the United States
Week Ended February 9th 1943
BY

SE

AIR

U.K.

U.K.

erator III

Bahamas

Nassau

erator GB V
erator GR V

U.K.

Canada enroute

Bahamas

Nassau

U.K.
U.K.

U.K.

tata I
AI

U.K.
U.K.

16

U.K.

Greenland enroute
Goose enroute

1

U.K.

Canada enroute

3

cota I

1

GLAS

ton III A
ton III A

2

SOLIDATED

6

2

uda

IRCHILD

nell PT26

Canada

ENN MARTIN

ltimore III A

FLIGHT DELIVERED
FOR USE IN CANADA

1

SISTER

BY

POINT

2

DESTINATION

ASSEMBLY

15

Canada

Middle Bast

Middle East

West Africa

Freetown

11

CKHEED

dson VI

2

a

RTH AMERICA

Nassau
Nassau

rvard
rvard
reard

S'Rhodesia

Durban

S'Africa

Capetown

India

Bombay

India

Bombay

India

Bombay

1

1

10
2

Bahamas
Bahamas

1

tchell I
tchell II

ILTEE
3

engeance

NORTHROP

Vengeance

€

Total

7

29

43

15

Note:- The delay in the completion of this report was occasioned by the moving of the offices
of the Air Transport Command, during which their reports (daily) of Aircraft movements
and positions were suspended for several days.
Movements Division, British Air Commission
ebruary 17, 1943.

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NOT TO BE RE-TRANSMITTED

BAS

SECRE

FEB

COPY NO.
20

BRITISH MOST SECRET
U.S. SECRET

OPTEL No. 57

3

Information received up to 7 A.M., 19th February 1943.
1. NAVAL
HOME WATERS. HIPPER and SCHEER were located at WILHELMSHAVEN 18th.

AUSTRALIA. 9th Australian Division from MIDDLE EAST arrived
FREEMANTLE 18th.

2. MILITARY

TUNISIA. 1st Army. Attack on SBEITLA during night 16th/17th
held until town WAS evacuated in afternoon 17th. Withdrawal wostward by U.S.
forces and further north by U.S. and French forces WAS continued without sorious
interruption from enemy who are now in occupation of SBEITLA, KASSERINE and

FERIANA. No further information ragarding U.S. detachment previously isolated
5 miles southeast of SIDI BOUZID.

8th Army. Our patrols reached MEDENINE at last light on 17th.
3. AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 18th. Successful attacks made on TOURS, VEZIN
AUBE, OUISTREHAM and a number of locomotives.

18th/19th. Aircraft despatched - WILH/LMSHAVEN 194 (4 missing),

sea mining 89 (2 missing), leaflets 9 (1 missing) anti-shipping 25, Intruders

23 (2 missing). Preliminary reports indicate fairly successful attack on
WILHELMSHAVEN where many fires were started especially in dock area. 22,500

ton ships hit in a large convoy off IJMUIDEN.
TUNISIA. 17th. U.S. fighters destroyed many tanks and M.T.
vehicles in sweeps over ride areas.

SARDINIA. 17th. 3 airfields bombed by 73 U.S. aircraft. Bombs

fall amongst 30/50 aircraft.
MEDITERRANEAN. A 3,500 ton ship torpedood and sunk off TRAPANI
(SICILY) by Wellingtons from MALTA.

3

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February 20, 1943
9:37 a.m.
Guy

Helvering:
HMJr:

How are you this morning?

I'm all right. Guy, you must know this fellow,

Lou Holland, don't you?
Yeah.

H:

HMJr:

Uh

No, I don't know him to say - Mr. Secretary, I
know who he is and I have met him, and I know
a little about his background.

H:

HMJr:

Well, tell me something about him.

H:

Well, he's a very energetic sort of a fellow

and is considered a very good business man out
in Kansas City.

HMJr:

Yeah.

H:

And he - well, I think that his recommendations
from business men in Kansas City would be very

high.
HMJr:

Is he a Democrat?

H:

Well, sir, I couldn't tell you.

HMJr:

Well, I was reading that he was a protege' of

H:

HMJr:

Truman's.

Well, I think they are very friendly.
Yeah. Well, what I was thinking was this -

I mean I - I wondered whether he got a rough
deal there and whether this was somebody that
I could use.

H:

Well, (laughs) I'm quite well acquainted with

HMJr:

Yes.

his first assistant, a Mr. Graham who worked
over there

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and I had lunch with him the other day, and
he, of course, told me that Holland did get a
"hell of a rough deal", , as he put it. (Laughs)

H:

HMJr:

Yeah.

But, of course, he's been working with him.

H:

HMJr:

What's that?

H:

I say he's been working with him.

HMJr:

Yeah.

This man, Graham, is his first assistant over
there in that Little Business concern.

H:

HMJr:

H:

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:

You don't know what business Gra.. - Holland was
in in Kansas City?

No, I can't tell you.
Could you do a little inquiring around?
Oh, I can find out all about him.
And - you see, what I was thinking, here's a man
and he's most likely got a house, and he's - he's
severed his connections and everything, you see?

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Just between us, what I've been looking for is

somebody, you see, who would supervise Procurement

for me. That's what I got in mind.
H:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

You see?

H:

Yeah. Well, I - I don't know just off-hand.
From what I know of him, I think he's got the
ability to do it, but I, of course, want to

verify that a little.

HMJr:

Supposing you do a little checking around.

H:

All right.

235

-3HMJr:

Find out how he feels about the President.

H:

Yeah, all right,

HMJr:

See?

H:

I'll do that.

HMJr:

How much of a New Bealer is he, and 80 forth.

H:

Yeah, well, all right. I' 11 do that.

HMJr:

Could you let me know? And whether he stayed

or whether he's left town, or whether he's got
a house here, you know, and all that kind of
business.

H:

Yeah. All right.

HMJr:

As soon as you know, give me a ring.

H:

All right. I - I can know by Monday.

HMJr:

Okay.

H:

All right.

HMJr:

Thank you.

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February 20, 1943
10:10 a.m.

FINANCING

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Eccles

H.M.JR: Marriner, Bell and I wanted a chance to
bring you up where we were before we say any more. I

won't go into all the gory details, but after being

"on again, off again, Finnigan" the Seventh District

has gotten together - Chicago - on what looks to me
like a workable basis.

MR. ECCLES: That is for this drive, you mean?

H.M.JR: That is for this drive.
This is the one they signed. Before we go further
I want to see how it hits you. (Copy of Seventh Dis-

trict memorandum handed to Mr. Eccles.)

MR. ECCLES: Of course, they have gotten along

there better than most of them all the time.

H.M.JR: Did Bell explain what I am doing? I am
making these fellows sit down together by districts.
MR. ECCLES: Yes, he told me.

H.M.JR: It bore results, anyway, in one district.

MR. ECCLES: I think that is all right. It looks
all right to me. I think that is all you can do for
the April drive. I think that you just can't do anything else, and that is a practical way of carrying out
the April drive without disrupting the thing. I think

237

-2-

to do anything that would be a fundamental change in
the organization might disrupt the thing before you
could effect the fundamental change. That is the

difficulty. It seems to me that this would give

pretty good results.

Of course, the way I have felt - and I think
sooner or later the thing has to be streamlined - is
you have to get a man in here. It takes time to do
that and you can't wait for that to be done.
H.M.JR: Just to show you, for instance - my dates
are approximately right - fully a week ago the representatives of the Advertising Council were down - this
Harold Thomas group. It must be at least a week, isn't
it?

MR. BELL: A week ago last Thursday.

H.M.JR: Here they have all these businesses, radio
and newspaper chains combined into a Council. I said,
"Give me a half a dozen names," and I have been calling
them on the phone and calling, and they claim they put

it in the mail last night. Now, here are the people in

the business in New York. It takes them eight or nine
days to get together some names.

Now, I offered it to a fellow - I don't want to
repeatedly get turned down - the chairman of Coca Cola

at Atlanta, Harrison Jones. I cleared it with the

President, and I got a telegram last night saying that
on account of family reasons, he can't do it.
MR. ECCLES: He is in Atlanta all the time? I
don't know him.

H.M.JR: I know him. He helped us nine years ago.
Ihappen to know that he is the only man in the Coca Cola
Company that is a New Dealer. He is the only person I

have asked to come up to see me. But it is that kind of
fellow, you know.

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3-

Here is this Advertising Council. Do you know

who they are?

MR. ECCLES: Yes.

H.M.JR: It has taken them eight days and they have

yet to give me a list of names.

MR. ECCLES: Yes, I talked to this fellow, Thomas.
He came over to see me and I talked to him. He explained
what the Council was, and so forth.

Of course, this sort of job, there is nothing else

that is like it in private business. I mean, I don't
altogether - I don't agree with Allan and these people
entirely - I do agree that you need somebody that has
got a national point of view and that has got some

selling concept, but what you need as much or even more

than that is a good executive - a fellow that is just
an all-around good strong fellow that is clear thinking
and is decisive, and that has got just all-around

capacity. Now, that is the first thing.

The next thing he ought to have is some conception
of what a Government Bond is and what the problem is;
what the difference is between your long bonds and why

we are selling these two's and a half - why they were

designed; what a bill is - I mean, after all, to do a

selling job you have got to know something about the
article and why, and of course, the average fellow that
might sell automobiles or something else, he doesn't
have that. We have lived with that doggoned thing for
weeks and months and years, and it has a background.

H.M.JR: It is a language.

MR. ECCLES: It is awfully difficult.
H.M.JR: A language of its own. I said to somebody
the other day - he started to talk to me about styles
in women's clothes - "It is a language I don't know anything about." Styles in shoes--

239

-4MR. ECCLES: You have to be a little more than a
salesman; you have to have a pretty exhaustive picture

of the aspect of this. Why shouldn't you go to the

banks. The banks have got the money, let them buy them.

It doesn't make any difference. They can't relate the

Government financing to the inflation problem.

H.M.JR: Incidentally, I wouldn't let the newspaper-

men let us get into the wrangle because they gave your

testimony a bad twist. Did you see the headlines in
the "New York Times"?

MR. ECCLES: I didn't see it at all.
H.M.JR: "Eccles says bad job has been done on

war financing" - something like that.

MR. ECCLES: The article didn't say that.
H.M.JR: No, no, but the headlines. Do you know

what I told them? I said, "Mr. Eccles and I are not

only in the same boat, but we are entirely in agreement."
MR. ECCLES: What I was giving to Congress up

there, you have to get the background. These fellows you see, I had to go up on this--

H.M.JR: I know, on this joint bill.
MR. ECCLES: We had no problem on that, but of
course, me being there gave Tobey and two or three of

them - Danaher - and they treated me very well - a
chance to want to know what about this six hundred and
sixty million of Federal Reserve bank notes and they got

into the inflationary aspect of it.

Well, of course, they wanted to know why the

Treasury - I said that the Treasury didn't have anything
to do with that. I said, "We take the complete responsi-

bility for it." I said the initiation for that came

from the Federal Reserve and if, I said, we had to do it over
we would do exactly the same thing again.

240

-5Then I proceeded to put right on the line why

we did it and to justify it.

I said, "You have got to believe that the purpose
of this thing was merely to save that paper and material
at the time" - and then I explained the legal end. But
they kept on pressing that the use of it was creating
inflation. So I said, "Do you know that there is absolutely no more currency out by reason of us printing
that paper than if we hadn't printed it? We have
exactly the same amount of currency. The amount of

currency that goes out is determined by the public.

Now, I said--

MR. BELL: Did you read the Tribune editorial?
MR. ECCLES: Yes, I did - much ado about nothing.

I read it to the committee. I got it in the record.

But here was the point I wanted to make on this

inflation thing, and I gave it to Congress. I said

that people can't get demand currency from the banks

except in proportion as they get income. I said,

"Where is this great mass income coming from today?
It is coming from Congress and appropriations."

I said that any inflation that develops comes you can't get inflation except that Congress appro-

priates a lot more money than they provide means for
financing.

I said, "You have appropriated all this money;

you have got to provide means of getting it." I said,
"Your taxes are entirely inadequate so you can't lay
it on the Federal Reserve." I said, "There is nothing
we can do about inflation, and you might just as well
know it. If people get the money to spend, and it
isn't taken away from them either in taxes or in the

sale of bonds - if they have got it to spend, that is

where the inflation comes from and not because you

issue currency of one kind or another."

241

-6-

I said, "So far as our financing is concerned,

as compared with the British and the anadians, we have
done a bad job; our taxes are just about half what
their taxes are."

I said, "Any taxes that are enacted must be enacted by the Congress.

H.M.JR: They just picked that one thing. up. I

told my press on Monday that my formula was this:
"The way to raise money was, first, taxes; second, from

the public; and third, from the banks."
MR. ECCLES: I read that.

H.M.JR: I said, "Mr. Eccles, I am sure, would
subscribe to that.
MR. ECCLES: I said, "You have got to get a lot
more taxes than you have got." They admitted that.
Danaher and what's-his-name said, "Why don't you

tell that to the public? That's a fine statement on
this inflationary thing. Why isn't more said about it?"
I said, "I will send you a copy if you will take
time to read some of the stuff I have done."

Yesterday I sent him - of course, I know he won't

read it - I said, "You were so interested in this question, I said, "here is a copy of the statements that

I have made and the speeches I have made for over a period

of two years." I said-H.M.JR: Now let's get back to this. I just wanted

to mention it because I am not going to let anybody drive

a wedge between us.

This sounds all right to you for April?
MR. ECCLES: Yes, I don't know what else you can do.

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H.M.JR: All right. Let me say this - you (Bell)
tell Eccles about the little talk this morning with
Sproul
and what has happened. I want to bring him up
to date.

MR. BELL: Sproul and Perry Hall were in just for
a few minutes. They said they had a meeting yesterday luncheon with Dick Patterson and some of his people it extended to some time in the afternoon.
Allan had a memorandum which he had drawn up himself

somewhat along this line - not in as much detail - which
Dick Patterson said he thought he could agree to.

He didn't commit himself entirely, but he said, "I
think we can go along with that." This morning they
are meeting across the hall.

MR. ECCLES: I would think this would meet both
Sproul and Williams.

MR. BELL: He talked to Hap this morning. They
met at the hotel.
MR. ECCLES: Sproul did?

MR. BELL: Yes, they said they were about the same

channel. I haven't seen A1 Williams yet.

MR. ECCLES: I had been in hopes that we could

get - maybe could do some bank financing the first of

April and then put the drive off until May, and in the
meantime streamline-H.M.JR: We can.

MR. ECCLES: What I meant was, if you put the drive
off for a month, you would give us enough time, maybe,

to get the whole thing set up.

MR. BELL: Can you do it in that time - even if you
went to May?

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MR. ECCLES: I don't - there is a question on the
part of Sproul and the rest of them of getting the man

in - to doing all this by that time - that it might

press you.

MR. BELL: Hasn't this man got to go through at
least one drive?
MR. ECCIES: You have this other thing, too; you
have this whole question of voluntary, plus the compul-

sory savings, in the mill, too. That is another thing.

If we knew what Congress was going to do on withholding

it would - your financing program is going to have to be influenced, to some extent, on what is done there. Isn't
that right?

H.M. JR: Look, Marriner, I didn't want to say anything
that would look as though I was conceited, or anything but the best man that we can get in the United States
is going to have to sit around here for a couple of

months and learn.

MR. ECCLES: I think he ought to get around the
country, too.

H.M.JR: This thing that you and Bell and I aren't
salesmen, and can't direct this thing as executives, is
cock-eyed. What they really want, you and I know it -

Bell - the three of us know it - there is always this
thing to try to plant one of the boys in the Treasury
and take over. You know that.
MR. ECCLES: Well, I--H.M.JR: I know.
MR. ECCLES: I know some of them do.

H.M.JR: Here is Collins.
MR. ECCLES: That isn't true outside of some of the
banks.

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H.M.JR: Here I was amazed - here is Collins, our

State administrator for Illinois, who was in here - he

signed this thing - he said, "Mr. Morgenthau, what about
George Harrison for this?" See?
Now I have been here for the President for ten
years, and I had something to do with moving the finan-

cial center to "ashington and putting it in the hands of
the Government. Now, certainly in the last two years I
am here, I am not going to sell out to these fellows.
MR. ECCLES: Well, I mentioned that the other day,
here, because I had felt an underground wave on it.
H.M.JR: George Harrison or Randolph Burgess or

one of these fellows - now I got word yesterday that the
General Motors crowd had been saying for the last couple
of months that they were going to take this thing over.
MR. BELL: I hadn't heard that.
H.M.JR: Well, you see, on account of Grant being
in here, and Dathrick and that crowd being in here, that

they were going to do that. well, nobody is going to
take it over as long as I am here. But we need - Bell
and I need a couple of good assistants.

MR. ECCLES: Well, you have got, in the banks outside, like those of John Peyton, Chester Davis, Hap Young,
and A1 Williams, I mean they are not fellows that would

want to put a New York banker in this picture.

MR. BELL: No, I don't believe they would.
MR. ECCLES: They have a public point of view and

I am sure that they would never like the control of
things to go back to wall Street.
H.M.JR: But Marriner, the sad thing is - I am crazy

to see these names when they come in. They are not in
yet. When the fellows come in I am going to say to them,
Do you believe in our President" - and I don't mean

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the farm credit policy or the foreign credit policy "Do you believe in the President, and how do you stand on
Labor and all the rest of that stuffy" The Labor unions
have been grand, and we can't just kick them in the shins.
MR. ECCLES: You can't have some fellow in here

whose record is bad or that of his company is bad. Of
course, we can't do it because somebody will play it up.

H.M. JR: Look, if this is agreeable to you, what
I would like to do is this. These boys across the
street - across the room - I don't want to see them
until they get together, and I didn't want to move any
further until I knew that this kind of thing was agree-

able to you. It is all right, is it?

MR ECCLES: It is all right with me. If this meets

the wishes of the presidents, who have got, really - I
don't want them to be able to shift responsibility in
this thing.
H.M.JR: What?

MR. ECCLES: I don't - if that is agreeable to them,
I can't see why it shouldn't be agreeable to me, but I
don't want to take a position that is going to relieve
them, in any sense, of responsibility.
H.M.JR: No, no, but I didn't want to go - here is
one group - I didn't want to go a step further until

I heard from you that this - let's call it the Chicago
plan - was all right with you.

MR. ECCLES: Yes. Well, it looks all right to me.
I can't see any bugs in it.
MR. BELL: It would be fine if everybody can come

through with something like that, but the thing that worries
me a little bit now, Ohio isn't together. The war Savings
Staff side of the picture say that if that is what the
Secretary wants, they will gladly go along with it.

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MR. ECCLES: How is Fleek?

MR. BELL: He is all right. He says that will
work, but they say they can't conscientiously sign
the paper because they don't think it will work.
They are loyal to the Secretary and had to advise him

that they didn't think it would work, but iT that is

what he wants, they will put their whole heart and
soul behind it.

H.M. JR: But I understand the president of the

Federal Reserve Bank says O.K.

MR. BELL: Yes, Fleek called Fleming in Florida and

he said that was O.K. if they all had agreed to it; but
if the Secretary gives a directive along this line to all
of the banks and all of the administrators, some will
not agree with it. Will they put their heart and soul
behind it, or will there be some sabotage going on be-

cause they don't like it?

MR. ECCLES: You have to take that chance.

MR.BELL: It will work a hundred percent in some

districts and eighty in others.

MR. ECCLES: If this will work in New York, it ought

to work most any place.

H.M., JR: If it works in New York, Philadelphia,
Chicago, and Cleveland, it has to work in other places.
Supposing we hear that one of the districts isn't
working - O.K. I am going to get on the plane and go
out there myself and straighten it out.
MR. ECCLES: If you give this directive to your
State administrator and he doesn't cooperate, he bught

to put in his resignation. He either ought to play ball

or he ought to get out. After all, a fellow, if he feels
strongly enough about a thing that he doesn't want to
accept the responsibility, he shouldn't sabotage it, and
certainly if he does he ought to be kicked out if he
doesn't resign.

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MR. BELL: I don't mean in the sense of under-

mining it, but just not cooperating - just letting
the thing ride.

MR. ECCLES: Just letting it take its own--

MR. BELL: If they don't believe in it-H.M.JR: We ll, we will hear about it quick enough.

Well, Marriner, if that is all right with you, I

don't want to tie you up any longer than necessary because I am going to need you off and on today and tomorrow. Let me ask you another thing. I would like

to keep this in the room. The way I feel, I would like
to do some bank financing early in April, and I tell
you why. I think all the time that we can gain on
account of the war news will be to the good, because

this Tunisian thing has got to get worse before it gets
better. I think part of the success of our December
drive was because we got favorable war news.

MR. ECCLES: I'don't know. There are a lot of
people that, when they get favorable war news, begin

to think, well, the war is getting close to an end,

and they are thinking about business as usual; they be-

come less interested in this thing. I still think that

a good hard drubbing--

MR. BELL: Pearl Harbor had a wonderful effect on
savings bonds.

MR. ECCLES: That is right. I wouldn't be concerned.
H.M.JR: Well, anyway, Hap Young says the more time

I give them the better.

MR. ECCLES: You mean instead of starting the drive

on the 5th of April you might put it over to a little
later date?

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MR. BELL: I don't mean in the sense of under-

mining it, but just not cooperating - just letting
the thing ride.

MR. ECCLES: Just letting it take its own--

MR. BELL: If they don't believe in it-H.M.JR: Well, we will hear about it quick enough.

Well, Marriner, if that is all right with you, I

don't want to tie you up any longer than necessary because I am going to need you off and on today and tomorrow. Let me ask you another thing. I would like

to keep this in the room. The way I feel, I would like
to do some bank financing early in April, and I tell
you why. I think all the time that we can gain on
account of the war news will be to the good, because

this Tunisian thing has got to get worse before it gets
better. I think part of the success of our December
drive was because we got favorable war news.

MR. ECCLES: I'don't know. There are a lot of
people that, when they get favorable war news, begin

to think, well, the war is getting close to an end,

and they are thinking about business as usual; they be-

come less interested in this thing. I still think that
a good hard drubbing--

MR. BELL: Pearl Harbor had a wonderful effect on
savings bonds.

MR. ECCLES: That is right. I wouldn't be concerned.
H.M.JR: Well, anyway, Hap Young says the more time

I give them the better.
MR. ECCLES: You mean instead of starting the drive

on the 5th of April you might put it over to a little
later date?

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H.M.JR: I told OWI around the middle of April,
tentatively.
MR. ECCLES: Yes, that would be the 12th of April.
MR. BELL: The 12th would be the second Monday.
MR. ECCLES: The 12th or the 19th--

H.M.JR: I would - the way I feel today, I would
rather make it the 19th than the 12th.
MR. BELL: That means it goes over a month end.
You have to run into May.

H.M.JR: That is all right.
MR. BELL: One thing about going into May, you

cross over May 1, where you have got to do a billion

and a half certificate offering.
H.M.JR: what is that?

MR. BELL: A billion and a half of certificates
mature on May 1, and you have got to do that financing

about the 20th of April.

H.M.JR: Maybe we could get ready by the 12th.

MR. ECCLES: I would like to see us - if we finish
it up in April that would give three weeks.
MR. BELL: Why don't we plan for a certificate

issue on April 1, 2, and 3; that is Thursday, Friday

and Saturday.

MR. ECCLES: For the banks?

MR. BELL: Yes. The market needs a certificate; it

is really running away with things. It needs a certificate,

now, as a matter of fact.

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MR. ECCLES: You might even do it a little before

the first of April

H.M.JR: The 12th would give us three weeks, and

clean it up in April. Why not let's keep talking the
12th, Marriner?

MR. ECCLES: I would think the 12th is all right.
I think that ought to give us enough time with this plan.

If you put a certificate out for that for the
banks, then to my way of thinking it is a question if
you want to give - I doubt if you want to give a certificate in the drive.
MR. BELL: I would like to have a short note - a

one and a quarter note.

MR. ECCLES: Yes, because a certificate is competitive with the other issues.
H.M.JR: Six weeks to get ready.
MR. ECCLES: When you offer a certificate to the

public it lets people come in and buy a certificate when
they ought to buy something else, and it just means a
year from now you have that much more maturity. I don't

believe - I think a certificate is a money market piece

of paper. It isn't an investor's piece of paper.

MR. BELL: But there are a lot of people going into
it, because in order to be on a short basis, you can't

keep them from it.

MR. ECCLES: You have your two-purpose tax note.

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MR. BELL: I am afraid that a certificate is replacing it to a large extent.
MR. ECCLES: It can't help but do it as long as
you make the certificate available and use that as part
of the drive. I think the certificate belongs pretty
largely to the banks, and in the drive I would not like
to have the competition of the certificate along with
your two-purpose tax note. It may well be that you
want 8--

MR. BELL: I would rather see them go into the
certificate. Virtually you have a demand obligation
over on the other side.
MR. ECCLES: Only after six months.

MR. BELL: After six months you give thirty days'

notice. A certificate is much better from our standpoint.

MR. ECCLES: If you take your analysis of that
two-purpose tax note, practically none of those are
being cashed in, except in payment of taxes. You will
find that you are selling a very much larger proportion
of those certificates than are being cashed in. Practically nothing is being cashed in, as we saw by the
analysis, except in the payment of taxes.
MR. BELL: That is right, but they will be cashed

in right after the armistice.

MR. ECCLES: So would your certificates be sold if
they needed the money. There is this advantage to the
o-purpose note, that there is a great big inducement

to hold those certificates because the yield is gradually
increasing on them, and they are not going to cash them
in unless they absolutely need the money.
Now, if they need the money, certainly we want them
to have the money to use. There is no point in borrowing
money from banks instead of using, well, say,--

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MR. BELL: No, let them hold a marketable obligation

they can sell to the banks. Well, let them take their
choice. I don't want to restrict the issues of certificates of indebtedness. I think we have enough
restrictions on our securities now.

- MR. ECCLES: Don't restrict it, but just don't offer

it during that time. I think that when you offer it on

the first of May, you can't say that only banks can take
it.

H.M.JR: But we are talking about the first of

April.

MR. ECCLES: That is what I meant, the first of

April.

MR. BELL: I think probably the certificate should
come out of the drive; because if you have one on April

1, you have to have another on May 1. I think you
ought to have them on June 1, because you have a billion
of maturities in June to meet.
H.M.JR: You want one for the banks on April 1, or
for the public?
MR. ECCLES: When you offer it to the banks, it is
pretty difficult to say, "You should take no subscriptions
from the public." If

MR. BELL: No. As a matter of fact, we should go
the other way by saying, "We allot in full to everybody
else.

"

MR. ECCLES: Make 8 public offering of the certificate,
letting the banks know, however, that it is primarily
their issue, which they would know in any case, instead

of filling the subscriptions in full outside of the banks,
it.

which we did last time, and have a lot of complaint on
H.M.JR: Did we?

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MR. ECCLES: Yes, we had a lot of it. I would say
that we would offer a certificate of whatever the amount

is, and that we would fill the subscriptions up to a

hundred thousand in full and would allocate the balance.

Now, what we did last time was to fill the subscriptions in full outside of the banks. The dealers
are loaded up now on the certificates. Then the banks

only got a fourteen-percent allotment, and they had had

a lot of certificates that they owned run off, you see;
and when they only got a fourteen-percent allotment,
they went out in the market to buy it, and up went the

certificate. So, these dealers just made a killing,

and the banks were sore as they could be about it,

because they said, "It looks like the Treasury is play-

ing the dealer game. Why should we have to go and pay
the dealers a premium? Why shouldn't we get them

directly without paying a premium to the dealer?"

H.M.JR: Let's think this over. We don't want to
load the public up and have them come back a couple of
weeks later and say, "We bought them already."

MR. ECCLES: The public wouldn't likely do it. I

think what you would find is the dealers would buy some,

but I would cut their subscriptions to beat the band, and
just tell them in New York to cut them clear down so
they wouldn't get the lot.
MR. BELL: If you give everybody the same percentage,

it would be all right.

MR. ECCLES: But they might put in very heavy sub-

scriptions. I would cut their subscriptions. I wouldn't
even let them put in subscriptions for all they wanted.
MR. BELL: I don't think you would have the same

thing in a two-billion dollar cash offering because you
had a billion and a half maturing in February. You really
only had half a billion in new money.
MR. ECCLES: Of course, you might even offer the

certificates to the banks only, have only bank subscriptions.

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MR. ECCLES: That is worth thinking about.

H.M.JR: That is my inclination at the moment.

MR. BELL: I think you would get criticism like

"What are you trying to do, just sell to banks now?"

MR. ECCLES: This is a bank offering, because we

are going to offer a drive for the public and there
would be no bank subscriptions.

H.M.JR: Say we are in need of this money to carry

us through--

MR. ECCLES: This is purely for the banks. We don't
want other subscriptions, because we have a drive to
start on the 12th of April, and we don't - the banks
can't take subscriptions during that time.

Say that the drive is going to be made for the public,
and banks are going to be out of it. It seems perfectly
reasonable to say that this is purely for the banks.

I think it is worth thinking about.
H.M.JR: I would like to think about it.
MR. BELL: What are you going to do with the short-

term securities that you put in the drive?
MR. ECCLES: What do you mean?

MR. BELL: Not le t the banks subscribe?
MR. ECCLES: No.

MR. BELL: Then they buy them in the market or
from the dealers.

MR. ECCLES: I would limit the dealers on that.

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MR. ECCLES: You would get a certain amount of it;

you can't help that. A lot of the banks are going to

get them through somebody else. But, if the banks buy

the securities offered to them on the first of April,

then they are not going to be interested in short securities
during the drive, because they will have been taken care

of in April.

I think you have to let it be known that some time
in May or June you will let the banks come in on the

two's, if you offer two's.

MR. BELL: You have to let them in some time. Otherwise, they will buy through individuals.

H.M.JR: Can I stop now? I want to set a time for
Sunday. I want to get this organization thing straightened
out. As soon as that is straightened out, I want to go
into this phase. I don't want to get my mind converted
today and tomorrow.

MR. BELL: Are you going to work here tomorrow?

H.M.JR: If necessary. I think it is more comfortable,

and we have more rooms here. I am figuring on that.

MR. BELL: I just wanted to know about having secre-

taries, and so forth.

H.M.JR: We may get finished tonight.- If New York
is satisfied with everything, we may be able to clean

it up. I put my people on notice for tomorrow.

MR. ECCLES: Would you want me tomorrow or late
this afternoon sometime?

H.M.JR: Yes.

This is the way I feel - I am dealing with these
people step by step. As I get agreement or don't get agreement,

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where it affects the Federal Reserve - I want to check

with you and have you thoroughly happy.

Now, I don't know when we will get a call. The
way I left it is, when these fellows have gotten somewhere
they are to give Bell a call, and they will come in here.
Then, let's say that if they have an agreement I all ask
you to come over or talk to you on the phone and say, "Is
this agreeable to you?" Is that all right? Do you like
working like that?
MR. ECCLES: That is O.K.

H.M.JR: Want to play some golf this afternoon?
MR. ECCLES: No, I have no gas.

(Mr. Bell left the conference.)
MR. ECCLES: I have an appointment this afternoon.
H.M.JR: What time?

MR. ECCLES: Two o'clock. I can get in touch with

you about four. Is that O.K., or should I call you at
twelve-thirty or one?

H.M.JR: Yes, either me or Dan, whoever is here.
I am going home for lunch today.
(Mr. Bell reentered the conference.)
MR. BELL: We have had no calls yet.
MR. ECCLES: No jams?

MR. BELL: It may not work a hundred percent in one

or two districts, but this is a cooperative effort.

MR. ECCLES: I don't think you will have any trouble
as far as the Fed is concerned. If you have any trouble
it is going to be with the War Savings people, and there
is nothing I can do about that.

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H.M.JR: I am going to listen today and tomorrow.
I have served notice on them - I served notice on Harold

Graves last night. I said, "Harold, I am going to listen

here for two days. When we get to the end on Sunday

night, Bell and I are just going to make up our minds
as-far as War Savings Staff is concerned.

MR. ECCLES: Dan, I will call you sometime late

this afternoon. That will give you a chance to see
what the situation is, and possibly you will know by

that time whether or not you are going to have a meeting

this evening or tomorrow. Is that all right?
MR. BELL: Yes.

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10:50 a.m.

FINANCING

Present: Mr. Bell
Mr. Buffington

Mr. Fleek

H.M.JR: I just wanted to checkwhat Mr. Fleming
said to you. Who has talked to Fleming?
MR. FLEEK: I have talked to Fleming.
H.M.JR: What did he say?
MR. FLEEK: About the Seventh District memorandum,
you mean?

H.M.JR: What did he say about how he would go
along?

MR. FLEEK: I read the memorandum which I gave to

Mr. Bell.

H.M.JR: This one (indicating Seventh District
memorandum)?

MR. FLEEK: No. I have been trying to get him to
read the Seventh District one. They are almost identi-

cal.

MR. BELL: That is the memorandum of theirs (indicating memorandum signed by Mr. Fleek, copy attached).

H.M.JR: What I want to know is this - can I quote

that Fleming is for this?
MR. FLEEK: He and I discussed that before I wrote it.

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H.M.JR: Is he for this (indicating Seventh Dis- -

trict memorandum)?

MR. FLEEK: They are the same, and I am sure he
would be for Mr. Young's memorandum. I am trying to
get him so we can be together.

H.M.JR: where is he?
MR. FLEEK: St. Petersburg.

H.M.JR: You are having trouble getting there?
MR. FLEEK: So far.
(The Secretary read Mr. Fleek's memorandum.)

H.M.JR: They will'do this (c), independently?
MR. BELL: They had programs with the retail stores
going.

H.M.JR: No, no, that should all be coordinated.
MR. BELL: They have been going just like the payroll savings plans.

H.M.JR: No, I want in each Federal Reserve district
an advertising manager who will be under the president
of the Federal Reserve, and he will be boss of all the
publicity.
MR. FLEEK: Mr. Fleming would certainly like that.

H.M.JR: Just like this thing that popped yesterday
on newspapers. Every president of the Federal Reserve

has to have an advertising manager in charge of all
publicity and promotion.
MR. FLEEK: It has to be, because otherwise there is
a very great wastage of effort and confusion.

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MR. BELL: This (c) doesn't mean publicity.
MR, FLEEK: No.

MR. BELL: Mr. Secretary, they have a program on

selling bonds through radio stations as issuing agents.

H.M.JR: But I don't care. All publicity - I

was trying to think of this name - the war something-MR. BELL: what was the name of this organization
that was brought up the other day?
MR. BUFFINGTON: National War Financing Committee.

MR. BELL: That was in what - in some memorandum
that we had?
MR. BUFFINGTON: It started in the Thomas memoran-

dum. It was in the Chicago directive.
H.M.JR: I think War Finance Committee is enough.
MR. BUFFINGTON: They just added the "National" to

make it a--

H.M.JR: No, but any promotional work will have

to come--

MR BUFFINGTON: He wouldn't object to that.

MR. FLEEK: No. I think, as a matter of fact,
that the publicity is covered in another part of the

memorandum.

H.M.JR: When it comes to promotion or advertising
or radio or anything, it has to come under the adver-

tising manager in the district, who will get his suggestions and so forth from a national advertising manager,

here.

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MR. BELL: I didn't look upon (c) as an advertising

program.

MR. FLEEK: I think that is right. Mr. Fleming

will agree.

H.M.JR: They might get every department store in

Cleveland to subscribe, say, to a full page during
April for the sale of war stamps. Let's just say stamps.
MR. BELL: That isn't what (c) means, though; (c)

means these programs you have where a department store
becomes an issuing agent.

H.M. JR: But it isn't clear.
MR. BELL: That is what you mean?
MR. FLEEK: Yes.
on

H.M.JR: They might say, "All right, we will put
a drive to fill up the stamp books in April, and

every department store will take a page and say, "Fill

your stamp book."

MR. BELL: Look under 4.

H.M.JR: I know, but there are loopholes there.
MR. FLEEK: We can eliminate that. Mr. Fleming

will be for it. In fact, Mr. Fleming has given me
rather broad authority.

H.M.JR: Of course, 5 pretty well covers the thing.
MR. BUFFINGTON: But you still do want to say that

that thing is coordinated, even from the retail store

advertising.

H.M. JR: I don't give a damn what the thing is. We
have tentatively set April 12; that gives us three weeks.

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During this time we will have an executive committee

here at the top. For the time being, I will be it and most likely continue.

Under me we have to have some people, and I cer-

tainly will have an advertising manager, and through

him all promotion will have to clear. During that
month, whatever it is - I don't want anything on the
radio that isn't either cleared nationally or in one
of the twelve districts, so that we concentrate the
thing.

Some fellow might be mean. He might start a cam-

paign to fill the stamp books and tie up all the radios
on that thing.

MR. FLEEK: And the newspaper advertising, worth

millions of dollars, wasted for a few stamps.

MR. BELL: I agree. I thought that was what was

in mind.

MR. FLEEK: I would eliminate (c), there.
H.M. JR: You see what I have got, and I would like

to be able to say that Fleming is with me on this thing.
MR. FLEEK: I can assure you he will be, but I shall,
of course, be talking with Fleming as soon as I can get
a call through.
MR. BELL: You will read the Seventh District memorandum to Fleming?

MR. FLEEK: Yes, that is what I wish to do. I

thought that, although ours was much like Mr. Young's,

if Matt would say to me - I am sure he will, as we are
so close - "Yes, that is fine," then we have two presidents we know are thinking along identical lines. I have
no doubt that that will be the case.

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H.M.JR: Eccles approved the hicago District
memorandum. He said, Swell." He has just left here.
MR. BUFFINGTON: Williams and Bendere from Phila-

delphia are in my office now waiting to see the State
people. They ,haven't come yet. They are here, but
have been meeting and haven't been able to see them yet.
MR. BELL: Has Sproul seen his people?
MR. BUFFINGTON: He saw his people at nine o'clock
this morning.

MR. BELL: They were supposed to be in the Chart
Room.

MR. BUFFINGTON: They were in your office the last

time I saw them. Prior to that they had met at the

Carlton with Dick Patterson and Nevil Ford and whoever

else was here from that district.

Williams and Bendere have been waiting for two hours

until these fellows are available to talk to them.
H.M.JR: "ho is Williams?

MR. BUFFINGTON: Philadelphia Federal Reserve.

H.M.JR: They are waiting on whom?
MR. BUFFINGTON: The War Savings people.

MR. BELL: They are in conference in other places.
MR. BUFFINGTON: You, I believe, Mr. Secretary,

asked Mr. Fleek to get together with Hap Young, Francis
Patton, Isbey, Norman Collins, and the two Ohio people

yesterday to discuss the Seventh District plan, which
he has been unable to do.

H.M.JR: That is not so important.

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MR. FLEEK: Our men don't think that anything can
be gained by our talking with Hap Young. My skirts
are clean, anyhow.

H.M.JR: I don't think that is important- - that he

see Hap Young, now that he has seen us.
MR. BELL: Who?

H.M.JR: Fleek.
MR. BELL:

No.

MR. FLEEK: The Ohio War Savings Staff representa-

tives, in reply to the suggestion that we might get
together with the Seventh District, say that they have
talked to Mr. Isbey and Mr. Collins, and that I, no

doubt, have talked to Mr. Young and Mr. Patton, and
therefore there is nothing much to be gained by having

a joint meeting with all four or five or six in to-

gether.

MR. BELL: You haven't seen those men this morning?

MR. FLEEK: No, I am waiting. I had an appointment with them and was waiting until I got clear with
Fleming on the Chicago plan.

H.M.JR: That is all right. You have your call in,
and let Bell know if there is any difference. But I
take it, from what you have said, that he certainly
ought to agree to that.

MR. FLEEK: Absolutely. There will be no question

about it. I could agree for Mr. Fleming right now,

except I think it would be better to read the memoran-

dum to him.

H.M.JR: Let me ask you a question. Supposing a
couple of these State chairmen resign in the Cleveland

district. How much will that hamper you in your April
drive?

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MR. FLEEK: County or State chairmen?
H.M.JR: Anybody.

MR. FLEEK: It won't affect us at all as far as
what we are doing. I should hope that the promotion
of pay-roll allotments would continue and there would

be no difficulty there.

H.M.JR: We can make it continue.
MR. FLEEK: Mr. Trounstine and Mr. Moore both
said yesterday when we met with Mr. Bell that they
didn't agree with certain phases of the Chicago memorandum, or with mine, but they would be very happy to

follow any instructions or directives which you sent

out.

H.M.JR: Nobody has threatened to resign yet, but
I was just wondering - supposing they did.
MR. FLEEK: I suppose the pay-roll allotment plan
is sufficiently organized so you should have someone-

to head it right up.

H.M.JR: That is the best organized thing we have.

MR. FLEEK: Other than that, it wouldn't worry me.

But both Mr. Trounstine and Mr. Moore had not thought

of resigning. They want to obey orders.

H.M.JR: I don't think they will.
MR. BELL: They said if the Secretary decided the
Seventh District plan was what should be done, they
would be glad to cooperate. There would be no difference.
They said they had worked with Mr. Fleek and Mr. Fleming
and they could continue to do it on good relations.
MR. FLEEK: They told me that -later, as we walked

down the hall - that if the Secretary wished that plan
to go through, they would be very happy to cooperate with it.
H.M.JR: O.K.

Washington, D. C.,
February 19, 1943.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY:

Pursuant to your request, representatives of the Ohio War Savings
Staff and the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, have twice met and have
tried to reach an agreement as to coordination of their respective

activities in the April drive. It was found that their difference

could not be resolved and that each would submit his own recommenda-

tions. The undersigned, as authorized by Mr. M. J. Fleming, President
of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, respectfully submits the following recommendations for the purpose of accomplishing a coordinated
and effective effort to produce maximum sales of Government securities

in the April drive.
1. The War Savings Staff will continue to function independently
in the following:
(a) Payroll allotment plans and promotion.
(b) War stamp sales and promotion.

(c) Other special situations now in operation, such as radio
station, department store, and other special issuing
agents, except banks and savings and loan associations.
2. The Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks as representatives

as well as fiscal agents of the Secretary of the Treasury will
have charge of solicitations for and sale of all Government
securities, except in those fields listed above, during the
month of April.

3. An over-all quota for the District will be established for an
aggregate of all issues, including Series E.

4. Publicity and advertising will be directed to the achievement
of the over-all quota.
5. A Directive is to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury,
to all State Administrators of the War Savings Staff, to
cover the foregoing and to instruct them to offer the serv1ces of their personnel residing in the counties within the
boundaries of their district, not engaged in the work set
forth in paragraph one, to the Presidents of their respective
Federal Reserve Banks; and these Presidents may use them

wherever they think best, in collaboration with and through
the ubannels of such State Administrators.

John & Fleek

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February 20, 1943
11:45 a.m.

FINANCING

Present: Mr. Graves

Mr. Gamble

H.M.. JR: I have a new name for the selling of

Treasury securities for the April drive: "Treasury

War Finance Committee." what do you think of it?

MR. GAMBLE: I like it. I think it ought to be

the name of our whole operation.

H.M.JR: That is what I mean. It would be.
MR. GAMBLE: I put "War Finance Committee" on my
chart.

H.M.JR: That is right. I have added the word
"Treasury. They have been trying to use the word

"national" and I said I didn't like it.

How are these fellows coming, do you know? Does
anybody know what is happening?
MR. GAMBLE: They are meeting and stewing and

fretting. I think you have given them a difficult task,
Mr. Secretary. I certainly think that it can be solved.
H.M.JR: Well, I got Mr. Eccles - I didn't get him,

but he just read that memorandum and he said, "O.K."
MR. GAMBLE: You mean the Chicago one?

H.M.JR: Yes. He was pleased.
MR. GAMBLE: May I comment?

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H.M.JR: Sure.

MR. GAMBLE: I am not taking exception to this.

I just want to point out to you some of the things
that our people who are now studying this, don't like
about it, because you told them they should talk to
everybody, and they have.

First of all, several of them question the advisability of the appointment of a national sales director

until we have a program. Now, you can put that in
reverse and say you should have the director before you

have a program, but they think we have had too much

experience to turn over these two organizations to a
single person until we decided on a program, and how

they are going to fit into a program.
This is not too serious.

H.M.JR: No, we haven't found a man yet.

MR. GAMBLE: No. This is all on the assumption
that the War Savings is going to do this and that and

the other. There isn't anything that says the Secretary
of the Treasury is going to tell the Victory Fund and

War Savings organization that a program has been arrived

at for the month of April and that they both shall do
thus and so - that says the war Savings is going to do
this and that, and isn't going to do something else.

There is an assumption there that they are being asked

to subordinate their activity to some other group. It
is a perfectly natural conclusion, if you study the

memorandum. (Indicating Seventh District memorandum)

Now, Isbey and Mr. Young and Mr. Collins will say
that isn't our understanding, but we have had too much
confusion, if we are going to arrive at an understanding,

not to put it all down. That goes on and says further that
the War Savings organization should continue their efforts
on pay-roll savings, and by inference, says that is all
they should do.

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reacted to this, and I agree with them. I think they
are right. I haven't analyzed it for them, but they

are pretty good at it themselves, as you know from
your talks with some of them.

I think that there are certain fundamentals here.
I certainly agree that they can work together, even
though you don't put them together, if you give them
a program to work on. I don't think you will get any

opposition on that score from anybody, Mr. Secretary.

I think that is the thing that you are reaching for in
the final analysis, anyway. But I do think this has
put our people in a little bit of a bad spot with respect
to making a deal.

If you sent me down town to sell futures on your

crops or your apples or something and I came back with
an agreement where you were going to do this and that,
and do something else, and you would say, "What is this

fellow going to do?"--

H.M.JR: Well, it is the way it is written up. I

mean, when the thing goes out, I will write the directive,
with help.

MR. GAMBLE: For example, it says the "ar Savings

Staff shall continue their pay-roll savings. Now, it

says about as plainly as you can say anything, that that

is all they are going to continue. Anything else that
they do is going to be under the direction of, and for,

some other program.

H.M. JR: No, both organizations will come under the

Treasury fiscal agent during April.

MR. GAMBLE: Did you read the Ohio - not the memorandum, but did you read the Ohio Victory Fund program?

H.M.JR: Yes, I have it here.

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-4MR. GAMBLE: I don't think anything could be any

more plain than this. (Indicating preliminary draft
of the Ohio Victory Fund program.)

(Memorandum dated February 19, signed by Mr. Fleek,
handed to Mr. Gamble.)

MR. GAMBLE: This isn't the one they submitted to

our people.

H.M.JR: This came in this morning.
MR. GAMBLE: They have changed it.

Do you have on your desk Mr. Moore's and Mr.Trounstine's
report?

H.M.JR: No.

MR. GAMBLE: They attached to it the one Mr. Fleek
submitted to them.

H.M.JR: What about this (indicating Mr. Fleek's
memorandum)?

MR. GAMBLE: It isn't the same.

H.M.JR: This is a revised one.
MR. GAMBLE: I know, but that is Mr. Fleek's own,
that he revised for you, and not the one Mr. Fleek sub-

mitted to Moore and Trounstine.

H.M., JR: Let them see this one (indicating Mr.Fleek's
memorandum).

MR. GAMBLE: Mr. Fleek says here, "The Presidents of
the Federal Reserve Banks as representatives as well as

fiscal agents of the Secretary of the Treasury will have
charge of solicitations for and sale of all Government
securities, except in those fields listed above, during
the month of April."

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-5The one Fleek submitted to Moore and Trounstine
said that the Victory Fund Committees, under the
presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks, shall have the
exclusive-H.M.JR: That is the one he handed me. Show him

that, but give it back to me.

MR. GAMBLE: You see, it is that part which is
the thing we have to deal with, and until we can break
that up and get these people to start on the same basis

we are not going to get them together. That is, I
think, where we have had trouble.

I would like for you to see the two of them, just
to show you how these things differ. I have a copy of
the other one.

H.M.JR: That is the one he said - that is the

draft.

MR. GAMBLE: That isn't the one he submitted to
them.

H.M.JR: Well, he has changed his mind. I told
him I wanted some changes in that. I didn't think it
went far enough. They could go - for instance, a
department store advertising on its own without clearing - I don't want that.
For instance, they could go ahead with a big campaign, "Fill up your stamp books during the month of

April," and just concentrate on that. That won't help

much.

Incidentally, tentatively, I have set the date for
April 12. It gives us three weeks.
MR. GAMBLE: That is a week later.

H.M.JR: Clean it up in April.

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February 20, 1943

Secretary's suggested name of the new organization

for the April drive.

has War Times

Cruntte

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February 20, 1943
12:05 p.m.

FINANCING

Present: Mr. Bell
Mr. Sproul
Mr. Hall
Mr. Manning

Mr. Patterson
Mr. Ford

MR. SPROUL: We started out with a memorandum of

points which the Victory Fund people and the War Savings
Staff people from the Seventh District had agreed on
yesterday and which they said they had submitted to you.
We went over that. point by point and made only one

change of any significance. That was that where it said
that the War Savings Staff should lend its people to the

Victory Fund Committee, we said that the War Savings

Staff through its administrators should head up to the
president of the Federal Reserve bank in the district.
H.M.JR: That is what we had in mind.
MR. SPROUL: And we wanted it to be clear that we

had in mind there that under your direction, or whoever
you put in charge of this whole effort here, the War
Savings Staff, consulting with the president of the
Federal Reserve bank of the district, would get its
final decisions there rather than having them coming
through Mr. Graves at Washington for final decisions
as to War Savings Staff activities.

H.M.JR: Let me put it the way it is in my mind
and see if we are in any way different.
What we are going to do is to set up an executive
committee here in Washington. Let's say for the time

being that that is my responsibility. It is an executive

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done in the New York Federal Reserve District, the order
would go from this committee to the fiscal agent, who is
my representative, and he would pass it on to the various
State chairmen of the War Savings.
Is that what you have In mind?
MR. SPROUL: And, to be perfectly clear, they would
then not come back to Mr. Graves to see whether that was

all right?

H.M.JR: No, it would clear through you to this

committee and the committee to Mr. Graves.

MR. BELL: And back through the same channels as it

went out.

H.M.JR: Isn't that the way?
MR. BELL: That is right.
H.M.JR: Mr. Graves will be on this executive
committee, just the way Mr. Buffington will be.
MR. SPROUL: That is up to you here.

H.M.JR: There is no difference.

MR. BELL: That is right.
H.M.JR: I am giving this thing this morning a

new name. I am calling it the "Treasury War Finance
Committee", here and in each district.
How do you like that for a name?
MR. SPROUL: That is for everything?
H.M.JR: Yes.

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-3MR. SPROUL: That would include the Victory Fund
Committee and the War Savings Staff?
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. SPROUL: It suits me fine.

H.M.JR: In other words, you, as my fiscal agent,

would be the chairman of the Treasury War Finance
Committee for your Federal Reserve District.

MR. SPROUL: As the Chicago memorandum and ours

are drawn up, there is no committee in the district.

It is just the chairman in the district, who is the

president of the Federal Reserve bank, and he works with

the two existing committees for the April drive.

H.M.JR: You would have to have a committee of some
kind.

MR. SPROUL: You don't have to have a committee.
You would have one man, and he works with these two
organizations.

H.M.JR: That is right, but some places they will

want a committee.

I am going to call the thing here the "Treasury War

Finance Committee." 11

For instance, if an ad appears in the district I

would like it signed "Treasury War Finance Committee.
MR. SPROUL: You may run into something there
because of these memoranda - the Chicago one and ours -

as we say that for the April campaign the identity of
the two groups should be retained, that is, the War
Savings and Victory Fund Committee.

Now, that is put in there more at the request of
the War Savings people than it is of the Victory Fund

Committee people, I think, but nevertheless we agreed

to it.

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evolved this morning. If you have an advertisement, you
see, for this basket of securities, my thought was to
say neither Victory Fund or War Savings Bonds, but it

would be "Treasury War Finance Committee."

(Mr. Patterson and Mr. Ford entered the conference.)

MR. HALL: Mr. Secretary, this is just a suggestion.
We have all thought about this a great deal. I don't
want to in any way superimpose any idea, but have you

thought of the word "National"?

H.M.JR: I don't like it. I don't like the "National
Democratic Committee" or the National Republican

Committee." I don't like it. I like the word "Treasury"
because that is what it is. If it were not "Treasury",
then I would rather use the words "American" or "United
States."

MR. HALL: I think that is a good name - "United
States Treasury War Finance Committee." I agree with

that.

H.M.JR: "United States" or "American", or something,

but I don't like the word "National.

MR. HALL: I think "United States" in there is good.

I think that "United States Treasury Finance Committee"
is an excellent name.

H.M.JR: But that is a very secondary thing. They
were talking to me about buttons, and so forth, this
morning. We can talk about those things afterwards, if
we get everything else together.
Before we get started, how did that meeting of
yours with your Congressmen go the other night?
MR. PATTERSON: Mr. Secretary, my colleagues and I

agreed that we got excellent results. We had twenty-one

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-5Congressmen there. We had thirty-four acceptances two

hours before the dinner, and twenty-one came. At the
last minute the Ways and Means Committee was called.

Seven were out of town, and five were sick.

Congressman Taber was there, and Ham Fish. When the

mention was made of compulsory savings, they rose, almost

unanimously, and said, literally, "We don't understand

what you mean. Nobody in the Congress has raised the
question of compulsory savings. That has only come from
the Treasury."
H.M.JR: They had better read Senator George's

statements.

MR. PATTERSON: We disabused their mind of that,

and they were unanimous in feeling that the voluntary
system was the only system, with the exception of

Congressman Andrew Somers. He said, "We are going to

have forced savings in due time, but I believe in trying
a voluntary system out for the moment."

We talked twenty minutes ourselves and wanted to

stop, but they questioned us for nearly an hour.

We were delighted with the results, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: I appreciate very much your doing it.
MR. FORD: In fact, they suggested we do it again,

Mr. Secretary. They seemed to like it.

(The New York memor andum handed to the Secretary

by Mr. Patterson, copy attached.)
H.M.JR: (Reading) "The following suggestions,

in order to be helpful, are offered to the Secretary

of the Treasury:

"1. We believe that time does not permit, prior
to April 1, to consolidate or merge the War
Savings organization and Victory Fund

Committees.

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-6"2. Prompt appointment of National Sales Director
responsible to the Secretary of the Treasury."
Incidentally, I asked Harold Thomas last Friday, a

week ago, to give me a list, and I haven't gotten it.
This morning I had somebody call him up on the phone,

and I got it over the phone this morning.

So they have this whole Advertising Council at
their disposal, and it takes them eight days to come
through, and I am supposed to do it in one day.
(Reading) "3. War Savings Organization should

continue their efforts on Payroll Savings

plans.

"4. A Directive be issued by the Secretary of the
Treasury to each State Administrator of War
Savings organization to offer to the President
of each Federal Reserve Bank the services of

the Administrator. He will direct his own

staff under direction of Federal Reserve
President for the month of April only.

MR. SPROUL: That is the difference from the Chicago
memorandum. They said that the Victory Fund Committee,
or, the president of the Federal Reserve bank, should

take over the staff from the War Savings organization.
We have said that the administrator should offer his
services and the president of the Federal Reserve bank
should use the services of the War Savings Staff through
the administrator.
MR. BELL: I think they me ant the same thing.
H.M.JR: When you say "the services of the Admin-

istrator" you mean also his organization?

MR. SPROUL: That is right, but working through the
administrator.
H.M.JR: But you me an the services of the

administrator and his organization?

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-7MR. SPROUL: Yes.
H.M.JR:

(Continuing reading)

"5. That over-all quota be established for month
of April and both organizations to sell all
bonds offered.

"6. The objective of all advertising should be
the obtainment of over-all quota.
MR. PATTERSON: That is exclusive of pay-roll
savings, the stamp booths, and so on.
MR. FORD: The thought is to preserve the esprit
de corps of the War Savings Staff. They take great pride

in it, and it holds them together as a unit.

MR. SPROUL: We did not like that word "obtainment"
in there.

H.M.JR: What I want is to have the president of
the Federal Reserve bank engage the services of an

advertising manager who will be responsible for all

promotion in the district. It all has to clear through
one man, just the way we will have one man here.

MR. SPROUL: There again, we have a man, but I
should say we would work through the administrator

to see that all of our advertising was coordinated for
the April campaign.

Isn't that your understanding?
MR. FORD: I should think so, Allan.
We have this publicity and promotion division

which is all set up, Mr. Secretary. Our thought was
just to make use of that.
H.M.JR: Fine. That is just the same as we will
do here, make use of Callahan and his organization. We

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be
thesomebody
district. who is going to coordinate the thing in

2

MR. SPROUL: We start right in at the beginning
and raise some question with you about this March
campaign of yours which is announced in the papers now.
MR. FORD: That is not a campaign.

H.M.JR: I have already raised the point through

Graves.

MR. FORD: That is this group of newspaper people
who are going to obtain space to be devoted to any
purpose which we want to put it.
MR. SPROUL: We can work it out with you for the

April drive.

MR. FORD: That is just a guarantee of so much
space each week of the year in the New York papers, to
be devoted to any advertisement of any type we want.

H.M.JR: I think there will, have to be somebody Mr. Smith or Mr. Jones - in the twelve Federal Reserve

districts, who will be advertising manager for the
district. He may already be in your organizations.

If we want to send stuff from here we have to know where

to send it.

MR. HALL: We have that kind of a man and you

(Patterson) have the organization, and we can dovetail

the two.

MR. PATTERSON: We have been doing this for a

year and a half, Mr. Secretary.

MR. SPROUL: There again, the president of the
Federal Reserve bank would finally decide in the

district how that was to be done?

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H.M.JR: Definitely. I said that the other day.
(Continuing reading)

"7. Such Directive should not be issued until

the State Administrators have had sufficient
time to contact and inform their organization
of the contemplated action for the April drive."

That is all right. I take it you want a couple of
days, is that it?
MR. FORD: Mr. Secretary, I think it would be
possible to have meetings - we have them every Thursday

of all our chairmen.

H.M.JR: Won't you want a directive from me at
that time in your hands?

MR. FORD: Very glad to have it, or we could just
explain it to them.

MR. SPROUL: This is their baby. I think they
don't want it in the press before they tell their people.

H.M.JR: I am in no hurry about getting it in the
press, but I think it should be drafted here and then
distributed through the Federal Reserve presidents in

each district.

MR. BELL: There are about forty other State
administrators and eight Federal Reserve presidents
who know nothing about this conference.

H.M.JR: That is right.
MR. BELL: So they have to be advised in order to
advise their people.

MR. FORD: My point was that if you will advise
us and let us carry the news to our people - and that

equally applies to all the administrators.

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- 10 H.M.JR: We have always done that way, haven't we?
MR. PATTERSON: You have always sent me a telegram,

Mr. Secretary, and I in turn have advised Mr. Ford, as
the general manager.

H.M.JR: Haven't we always done it that way?
MR. PATTERSON: Yes, sir, and I assume it will be
done that way in this case.
MR. SPROUL: Sometimes things have gotten in the

press before they were known to the organization, and

that is what I think he wanted to avoid.
MR. FORD: Yes, if possible.
H.M.JR: (Continuing reading)

"8. War Savings organization and Victory Fund
Committees shall maintain their identities."

That is all right for April.
(Continuing reading)

"9. All publicity should make it clear that this
is a joint effort of the two organizations."
That is a thing I would like you to think over.
would like to use the name for all publicity for this
I

drive - I suggested "Treasury War Finance Committee" or
"United States Treasury War Finance Committee. Any

publicity for this drive would appear over that name.
MR. MANNING: Don't you think that might be
confusing to the War Savings Staff people?

H.M.JR: Let's think of the public. Let's think

of our consumers.

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This is not something which has settled over this

week end, but I was just thinking about it. I want to

avoid in the minds of the public - they may one day see
a War Savings ad, and then the next day they might see
something by the Victory Fund, and the third day t hey
might see something - if these fellows got soft-hearted by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. (Laughter)
MR. SPROUL: They won't see that. (Laughter)

MR. BELL: I think that is pretty definitely

settled.

H.M.JR: So there is a possibility of three

different things. I thought that all the advertising

during the drive would be "Treasury" or "United States

Treasury Mar Finance Committee.

Now, in the minds of the public what does that mean?
MR. FORD: My off-hand reaction, Mr. Secretary,

would be that that might tend to confuse them further
because then there would be three names.

H.M.JR: This would be the ultimate name.

MR. FORD: That was my point. If it is going to be

done, why not do it?

H.M.JR: This would be the ultimate.

MR. HALL: I think it is a good idea myself, off-

hand. I like it.

MR. SPROUL: I think if you are going to have
such an ultimate name eventually but are going to try

to preserve the identity of these two organizations for
this one drive, which is the way I see this, then you

could throw in "United States Treasury War Finance and
then "War Savings Staff-Victory Fund Committee."

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That would be for the April drive, and then for

the next drive you would drop out those two and just

have "United States Treasury War Finance Committee." "

H.M.JR: I will get our publicity people working on

it. We could set up some things and send them out in

the field and let you take a look at them.

MR. BELL: I would write underneath, "War Savings
Staff-Victory Fund Committee.
MR. SPROUL: And the next time drop those two out,
and it would be just "United States Treasury War Finance

Committee.'

H.M.JR: This is a very happy thought. I haven't
tried that on anybody yet.

I would say, off-hand, that this is about ninety
percent O.K. (indicating New York memorandum).

Before you go I would like, if you don't mind, to

have you put your names on it.

MR. FORD: I have just this one question, Mr.
Secretary, and I am not raising it because I have any

feelings but just so we will be clear.

If Allan and Dick and I agree on doing something,
does that stick or will somebody down here have to
approve it?

MR. SPROUL: I raised that.
MR. FORD: How about the converse? Supposing Allan

got an idea he thought was pretty good and Dick and I

did not think so favorably of it, then who prevails?
H.M.JR: After when?

MR. FORD: During April when we are moving forward

under this plan here.

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H.M.JR: Let me put it this way. When we get under

way there has to be a boss, and let's say it is going

to be the president of the Federal Reserve bank. Suppos-

ing you are very unhappy. After all, all orders are just

worth the paper they are written on. You say, "Look here,
Sproul, you are human and we are human, and we are not

satisfied. We would like to go down on the train and
see Mr. Morgenthau."

MR. SPROUL: I say it is all right if you see Mr.

Morgenthau, but I don't want you coming down or telephoning Harold Graves. Don't go that way.
MR. HALL: Or Buffington.

MR. SPROUL: Mr. Morgenthau or Mr. Bell; you go to

see them.

H.M.JR: Or Mr. "X" when we get him.

MR. SPROUL: That is right.
MR. BELL: You have to see the policy-making people.
MR. PATTERSON: We could relieve the Secretary,

Allan and Perry and Nevil, and go right to Danny.
MR. SPROUL: The Secretary says himself, Mr. Bell,
or Mr. "X" when he is appointed.
H.M.JR: Does that answer your question?

MR. FORD: Yes, it does, thank you.

H.M.JR: For two weeks I have done nothing, practically,

but this. I am going to continue to do this thing until
I think it is launched; and until I find somebody, I still
have to give the major portion of my time to it because

it is my major responsibility.

As I said the other day, when it goes wrong I am

the guy that gets it. I can say, "Well, I picked this

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to have all the answers" and when it gets all through
and done it is me. It is Donald Nelson who has to take
it on the chin as between Eberstadt and Wilson, and he

did, right or wrong. I could bring in a Wilson or an
Eberstadt, and when it is all through it is me.

So I can't just wash my hands of this thing, and

I don't intend to. I don't think it is wholly immodest

to say that so far we have had a succession of successes.
But we want to strengthen our manpower. So we will
have a committee, and I will continue to take a very

active part in the thing. I have got to. That is my
principal job.
I get a little distracted by the Chairman of the

Board of the Federal Reserve of New York, and that takes

up a little time, but that is all right. (Laughter)
MR. SPROUL: I have been interested to notice

they always put that in the publicity. (Laughter)
H.M.JR: Oh, boy, that is always in there.

But I can't duck it, and I don't want to duck it.

The President holds me responsible, and I am responsible

to get it.

But supposing a district was very unhappy. Let's
say that Mr. Day of San Francisco was unhappy. I would

get in a plane and go out there between now and the

twelfth of April when we hope to start this thing. I

have got to.

But somebody might not like the stationery, or
somebody might not like this or that. I don't expect

to settle those things. Dan is my right arm and is
here to help. When we get the other fellow, he is
going to help the two of us. We will shove just as
much on him and as fast as he can take it. That is
the way we feel.

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At this level making policy we will have Harold
Graves and some of his group, and we will have Buffington
and some of his group, and we will meet just as often

as is necessary. We will give you all the support and

a minimum of annoyance.

MR. MANNING: We can't ask for more than that.

H.M.JR: Mr. Bell, I have said a lot. What have

you got to say?

MR. BELL: I haven't anything to say. I think
this will work, and I think these problems will largely
resolve themselves right in the districts. The only
thing you will have to decide, it seems to me, in this
local advertising, is as to whether or not it conflicts
with something that comes out of Washington as a national

matter. Anything decided here from a national standpoint

will ave to follow into the local. Otherwise, I think
most of the problems will be settled between you gentle-

men.

MR. PATTERSON: Danny and Mr. Secretary, I think

it is a question in all these districts of personalities -

of men.

Now, if Allan, heading up his end of it, and if
Patterson, being the responsible voice in New York,

just get together from time to time, we will be relieved

of all these things. But if Allan Sproul is going to
start giving me orders or if I am going to start tell-

ing him what to do in a belligerent attitude, we won'
get across the street.

I will go to his office; he doesn't need to go to

my office.

MR. SPROUL: When you say if"Sproul is going to

start giving me orders", of course I am not going to
start giving you orders and getting tough. But, on the
other hand, the Secretary has said that the president

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look to to be responsible in the district.
H.M.JR: That is right.

MR. PATTERSON: I was generalizing on personalities

all over the country.

H.M.JR: Supposing things don't go right - I told

Sproul this the other day - I said, "Supposing somebody

gets extra tough and you have personalities - I will
come up to New York and I will take the brunt of it."

Didn't I tell you that? And I expect to do that.
MR. SPROUL: That is right.

H.M.JR: I am on tap. If you have a personality

situation which is very difficult, I will come up to

New York. I will sit there; I will assist you. That
is all you can ask for.

MR. SPROUL: That is all right, but I should hope

you would never have to come.

H.M.JR: I hope so, too.
MR. HALL: Glad to see you there any time. (Laughter)
MR. SPROUL: He is a diplomat. (Laughter)

H.M.JR: I don't know whether that is an insult
or a compliment. I take it as a compliment.
MR. HALL: The second time I met you was at the

bank, and it was a privilege.

If you (Patterson) can't get along with Allan
Sproul there is something the matter with you. That
is not meant to be sarcasm, but you are just building

up trouble or thinking about it when it isn't ever
going to happen. He doesn't deal that way.

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attitude. Now, Nevil, it is your turn to say that if
they can't get along with Dick Patterson it is their
fault. (Laughter)
MR. HALL: And then I think the meeting is over.
(Laughter)

MR. FORD: Then we would have a lot of fun. (Laughter)
MR. PATTERSON: Perry missed the point. I was

generalizing over the United States - that personalities
is ninety-five percent of the problem.

H.M.JR: Dick, it is a little bit more than that,
if you don't mind my interrupting.

I said here yesterday - I got a little excited

because some of the boys didn't want to go along. They
are worried about the War Savings Staff.

This fellow is the State chairman, and I said to
him, "Now, these people aren't working for you; they
are not working for me as an individual. They want to
help win this war. I can't deliver the War Savings
Staff; I can't deliver the Victory Fund Committee. But
I can make an appeal to individual men and women to

help me sell securities because they want to help win
the war."

You (Patterson) can't deliver your volunteer
organization, and you (Sproul) can't deliver yours.
MR. HALL: They can deliver it to the Treasury -

the Government.

H.M.JR: If they feel that this is something that
they want to do to help win the war. They don't give

a darn about Allan Sproul or me or Dick Patterson. The

man or the woman wants to do something to help win the
war.

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MR. HALL: You are dead right.

H.M.JR: On that basis, if this appeal is made the way it has been before - that we have a job, and
so forth and so on, I think it can be done.
There will be trouble and friction and misunderstandings, and of course some people's feelings will
get hurt, and so forth and so on, but the upshot of

it is I think it is going to work.

MR. FORD: Mr. Secretary, this is a bit of detail
and not the place to di scuss it, but there is a question
of budgets. We are set up separately and if we get

together on a general advertising campaign how are we
to handle that? Have you any thoughts on that?

H.M.JR: You people aren't paying for any advertising.

MR. FORD: No, but the employment of people for

an advertising department, and that sort of thing.

H.M.JR: I think you will just have to work it out.

They have got a budget, and we have, and we will just

have to work the thing out, that is all. The Fed has

been grand. When we didn't have any money they went
ahead and put the money on the line and said that when

we got it we could refund it. I don't know whether we

have or not.

MR. BELL: No, we haven't, but they work all the
time on a reimbursable basis.
H.M.JR: They went ahead and laid out a million

and a half dollars, wasn't it?

MR. SPROUL: A hundred and fifty thousand
dollars.

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H.M.JR: I am sorry - a hundred and fifty thousand
dollars. They didn't know whether they were going to

get it.

MR. SPROUL: We still don't know, and we still are
satisfied.
H.M.JR: So on that end they are pretty good

partners. But an old-line department is good. We
have budget offices and the rest of the stuff.
MR. BELL: We will have to work that out.
H.M.JR: We haven't gotten that far.
I showed Mr. Eccies the memorandum this morning
from Chicago, and he was delighted. The only comment

he made was, "Now be sure there is plenty of authority
on the president of the Federal Reserve bank. " I think

he would be satisfied on that issue. So if he was

satisfied with that, he will be satisfied with this.
MR. SPROUL: He came in to see us, but we had not

gotten down to the point of agreement. I think he
would be satisfied with this, though. Certainly he
would be if he were satisfied with the Chicago.

MR. BELL: He said he didn't want the presidents
ducking any responsibility.
home.

H.M.JR: I don't see why these fellows can't go

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new York
February 20, 1943
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

The following suggestions, in order to be helpful, are
offered to the Secretary of the Treasury:

1. We believe that time does not permit, prior to April
1, to consolidate or merge the War Savings organization and Victory Fund Committees.

2. Prompt appointment of National Sales Director responsible
to the Secretary of the Treasury.
3. War Savings Organization should continue their efforts
on Payroll Savings plans
4. A Directive be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury
to each State Administrator of War Savings organization to offer to the President of each Federal Reserve
Bank the services of the Administrator. He will direct
his own staff under direction of Federal Reserve
President for the month of April only.

5. That over-all quota be established for month of April
and both organizations to sell all bonds offered.
6. The objective of all advertising should be the obtainment of over-all quota.
7. Such Directive should not be issued until the State
Administrators have had sufficient time to contact and
inform their organization of the contemplated action
for the April Drive.
8. War Savings organization and Victory Fund Committees

shall maintain their identifies.

9. All publicity should make it clear that this is a
joint effort of the two organizations.

Very
Hall
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February 20, 1943
3:40 p.m.

FINANCING

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Williams

Mr. Bendere
Mr. Ross

Mr. Ludlow

H.M.JR: All right, gentlemen.
MR. WILLIAMS: As I told Dan Bell, we started with
the Chicago memorandum. We went through it point by

point, and then put it aside as something that was unnecessary in our area.

We felt that no acute problems had arisen during
December, and we anticipated none in April; that there
was a will to cooperate, and that it was unnecessary
to enter into a formal agreement. We felt that there
was a very heavy job to be done and the only way it
could be done successfully was for us to collaborate
and that we could call our organizations together at
the county level and down below that and tell them
what the problem was - your desire to have the two inte-

grate their efforts.

We felt that out of that would come as good a
result as we could expect, and to go on a more formal
basis would be to give the appearance of friction where

it did not exist; would be perhaps to give status to
one organization, putting it before the other, and that

would cause as much trouble, or more trouble, than it
would allay.
We would like to proceed on that basis.

H.M.JR: well, I don't think, gentlemen, it is good
enough, because I am afraid that I can't get the results
I want.

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We have seen these several other groups, and I

think we are just going to have to ask you all - those
of you who are interested in helping finance the war from now until the April drive is over, to make available to the president of the Federal Reserve Bank as

my fiscal agent, the various groups and facilities that
you have. Then after this April drive is over, we
will take another Look at it.
I have listened now to a lot of people. The

President holds me responsible for raising the money,

and I am going to raise it without worrying him.

So, come Monday, Mr. Bell and I will get together
and we will draw up some kind of an order, a directive,

or whatever you want to call it. We plan to send it
to the presidents of the banks and to the forty-eight

War Savings organizations so that they can look at it.
We will give them all a chance to make some corrections
if they want to, which would ease the situation.
But I have listened now to a lot of people, and

the way it stacks up is this: We will have a little

executive committee here at this end, and we will decide
on what the national policy is, and we will send out
our directives to my twelve agents. Then I expect them

to see that they are carried out in the field. Then

we will contact the State chairman of the War Savings
committee and tell him what is wanted and work it out

with him in the field.

Then, during this drive, the communications from
the Treasury to the field on everything other than payroll savings would be through the fiscal agents of the
Treasury, who are the presidents of the Federal Reserve
Banks.

MR. WILLIAMS: That will result in no difficulty

in our area because when such communications come from

you, I shall immediately get in touch with Mr. Ludiow

for Pennsylvania - at least, for two-thirds of it -

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and Mr. Ross in Delaware, and I think our capacity to

work together is not going to interfere with the result.
MR. LUDLOW: No question of that.

H.M.JR: Now, after all, I know I am very unimportant - I just have a job here - and I know when you get
down to the State line, the people want to help win this
war and are interested in giving their services to
winning the war. Names don't mean anything to them.

They are interested in helping their Government, or
they are not, and a rose by any other name, smells
just as sweet.

"hat I am interested in has been in getting every-

body I can in one of these organizations now, or who

has helped the Red Cross, the Women's Volunteer organi-

zation - whatever it is - to help us go out and sell

these fifteen billion dollars' worth of securities in

three weeks. We want to try to sell everybody that
has the money at least one security. In order to do

that during this drive, we have just got to get

together, that is all there is to it.

MR. WILLIAMS: Do you think I have made an accurate

statement?

MR. LUDLOW: You have stated it quite accurately.

I am not quite sure that the result of the Secretary's
statement will let us proceed.
I mean we had a job, Mr. Secretary, down on the

level of the people who are doing the whole job, until
December; then you gave us the order, you recall, dividing
the work between Victory Fund and the "ar Savings
Committees. It is a matter of trying to keep everybody
at home satisfied and enthusiastic.
The way Dr. Williams and I have worked it out, we
think that when the communication comes to the Third
District, so far as Pennsylvania and Delaware are con-

cerned, that we will go to it and do the job. But if

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it under him - but if the word goes down into the district that the Victory Fund Committee is over the other
committee, then we will be in trouble.
H.M.JR: They are not.
MR. LUDLOW: If we can keep that clear, and if any

publicity that goes out keeps that clear, we are all
right.

H.M.JR: They are not. I have a new name. I am
going to call this the "Treasury War Finance Committee,
as far as Washington is concerned. It is the "Treasury

War Finance Committee" and this man - seventy-five per-

cent of your time now is on fiscal agency stuff for the

Treasury?

MR. WILLIAMS: Yes.

H.M.JR: I don't know whether you know that relation-

ship, but as the fiscal agent of the Treasury, he is
directly responsible to the Secretary of the Treasury, and
seventy-five percent of his time is devoted to that, now.
MR. LUDLOW: I don't know the percentage, but I

thought it was even larger.

H.M.JR: Isn't it?
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, fully that.

H.M.JR: We will get ninety-nine percent of his time,
now; and he isn't going to ask you to do something as
chairman of the Victory Fund Committee. He is going to
do it as a personal representative of the Secretary of the
Treasury in the Philadelphia district.
Now, I have looked all around. Where can I get

somebody - somebody to represent me, who has the connec-

tions, and all the rest of that stuff. We have all
this relationship established.

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MR. WILLIAMS: Twenty-five years of it.

H.M.JR: There it is, and here is a man who is
devoting seventy-five percent of his time now to the
United States Treasury, and when he calls on you he is

going to call on you in that capacity.

MR. LUDLOW: I am not concerned about his calling
on me. I am concerned about the thousands of workers
whose absolute good will and cooperation we want in
April.

H.M.JR: But they won't know that - they won't
know he exists. He is not going to come and address

meetings. He is going to let you do that.

After all, whether you get a wire directly from me,
or whether you get a wire directly from Philadelphia,
or are asked to come in to Philadelphia and talk things
over, or if he drops over to your office, or whether you
are asked to come down here - the country is too big we have got to divide it up into twelve sections for

this drive. I can't do it. I mean, there isn't any

national sales organization but what has district
officers and district managers if they are good.

MR. BENDERE: Our main approach to relationship
is that between the War Savings and the Victory Fund,

and it has been almost a hundred percent in the whole
area. We have had no controversies.
in

H.M.JR: The whole point is this: I want everybody
both organizations selling everything in this drive.
MR. ROSS: That is precisely what we agreed to do.

MR. LUDLOW: We feel it is the only way to do it.

H.M.JR: I want you to sell everything.
MR. ROSS: That is what we agreed to.

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H.M.JR: Leave the pay-roll savings plan by itself.

Leave it alone. It is doing all right. But these

securities which we make available, we hope on the 12th

of April, for three weeks, will be made available to
everybody.

MR. LUDLOW: And in the meantime, from now until
then, we go on as we are going?

H.M.JR: Yes, but with this exception. I don't
want anything out of the ordinary started. In other

words, I don't want any big drives started between now

and the 12th of April.

MR. LUDLOW: Just keep up the pace.

H.M.JR: Just keep up the pace. I don't want any

big drives started. Do just the steady pressure, but

nothing out of the way.

MR. LUDLOW: That would steal from the other, you

are perfectly right, but we do want to keep up the pace
because we have hit it, and want to keep it going.

H.M.JR: Yes. On the publicity there has got to
be somebody in the district who is sort of publicity

manager. I don't know who the person is.

MR. BENDERE: We have a publicity director now in

the Victory Fund in our district.

H.M.JR: In New York - the way they are talking,
they thought they would use the New York war Savings

publicity staff because that seems to be much bigger,

but that is something which I won't attempt to settle
from here. Mr. Williams and you gentlemen would have

to settle it - who has the best, you see.

What I don't want is what happened last time - two
full-page ads, one for E Bonds, one page, and on the
other page the Victory Fund. We can't have that.

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MR. BENDERE: It just adds to the confusion in the

public mind.

H.M.JR: The suggestion this morning that was made,
which we can see about, was that we have all of the ads for instance, this was the suggestion made - signed
"Treasury War Finance Committee" and underneath that,
"War Savings Committee - Victory Fund Committee. Then,

looking forward, if that is successful and we get that
name established, the next time we will drop the others
and just call it "United States Treasury War Finance
Committee."

How does that sound?

MR. WILLIAMS: Fine.

MR. LUDLOW: I suppose at the end of April we will
cross that other bridge when we come to it.
H.M.JR: We have learned our lesson by hard knocks.
MR. LUDLOW: Of course, your periodical drives
coming every three or four months, which you must have
for these big sums, will be handled one way, but we

don't want to lose the roll-up we have been getting on
this intermediate stuff, which is very important.
H.M.JR: That is true, but let's say that somebody

came today and said, "We can name a battleship 'The

Philadelphia' or 'The Camden' or 'The Trenton or some-

thing like that - let's start it," then I would try to

do it during the last three weeks of April. I mean,

I

wouldn't start something like that now.

MR. LUDLOW: We can get ready to do it at that

time as a part of the big show.

H.M.JR: That is right. I have postponed the thing

until the 12th to give you all the time possible - all
the time necessary to do this thing.

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he can name a destroyer or an aircraft carrier, I would
take the money in in the last part of April.
MR. WILLIAMS: We would expect to begin almost

immediately to call the chairmen from the field - there
are some sixty counties in our district - and effect
a working relationship at the county level between these
two organizations.

It was our conviction this morning that in Pennsylvania we would have no difficulty, and in Delaware they
have had throughout, in effect, one organization.
MR. BENDERE: We are practically tied together in

Delaware.

Staff.

MR. ROSS: The Victory Fund and the "ar Savings

H.M.JR: And I also said in talking to these people

that I don't expect each district will do it in the same

way. In New York, each bank had a campaign committee

and the fifteen banks competed with each other. Well,

it worked very well in New York. I don't think they
did it anywhere else, as far as I know.
So I mean the Philadelphia district might get

something unique which is good, and Cleveland may have

something else, and each one can profit from the others.

But I don't expect to say that every district has to have
a committee of each bank - each bank competing with each

other, the way they did in New York.

In other words, we leave it more or less to the
district, and when Mr. Williams gets stumped, we are
here. We will have suggestions to make to him. If something goes very radically wrong, I can jump on the train
and be there in a couple of hours and meet with your
group. If something goes wrong, I am available, and I can
come up there and sit down. I want you to know I am

available if it gets bad enough. I hope it won't.

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MR. WILLIAMS: I wouldn't expect it to. Ben, I

think that is a workable arrangement, don't you?

MR. LUDLOW: I almost suspect the Secretary of
having listened to our session this morning, because he
states in his own way what we said was the thing to do.
Don't you think so?
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes.

MR. LUDLOW: In publicity, Mr. Secretary, whatever
is done should give the impression that you set forth
a minute ago, that under this new name here are these

two organizations working as part of it so that neither
one, down in the home county - the little locality -

feels it is being overridden by the other. It is a

matter of tact in getting the greatest support from our
workers.

H.M. JR: How do you like the name "United States

Treasury War Finance Committee"?

MR. LUDLOW: That is a good name.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes.

MR. LUDLOW: You will preserve, certainly during

April, these other two names so that if they do fade
out, they fade out gracefully.

H.M.JR: They will both be there underneath, but if

we have advertisements, they will be under that name
and put both the names underneath. The same way, if

Lucky Strike is trying to change its package, it tries
to do it gradually. It was "Lucky Strike green has gone
to war" and that didn't work.
MR. WILLIAMS: They overdid it.

H.M.JR: So they have got to do something else.
What do you gentlemen think? You have been very
quiet.

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MR. ROSS: I think it makes perfect sense. I told

Mr. Williams that in our State we are so small and we

are limited in the talent that we have available, so

we have had to have an interlocking organization.

We were.meeting here in December when they were

airing their troubles about the friction, and when it

came my turn to make my report, I was a little ashamed
because we had no friction to air - or embarrassed
(Laughter)

MR. WILLIAMS: I think we can go back and go to

work on this basis.

H.M. JR: I think you can go back and go to work, and

Monday night we will get off wires to the fiscal agents
and to each of the War Bond people and give them a

couple of days to look at it, make suggestions, and give
them a chance to talk to their people.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes.

MR. BELL: Each of these organizations, Mr. Secretary,

has such good relations with the workers in their specific

organizations that they are a little bit disturbed that

there might grow out of this the impression, all the
way along the line, that there is a conflict where there
isn't any. I think we have got to draw our telegrams

rather carefully, putting it on the basis that here is

a big job to be done and we need all the help we can
get and that you are asking these administrators to
help out the president of the federal Reserve Bank in

this drive.

H.M.JR: Most of the conflict - the competition -

seems to be here in Washington. That is why I wanted

to see you people by districts - and competition is good,

that is all right.

MR. LUDLOW: We came as friends and we are leaving
the same way.

H.M.JR: Thank you.

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February 20, 1943
4:05 p.m.
FINANCING

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Graves
Mr. Gamble

Mr. Isbey
Mr. Trounstine

Mr. Moore

Mr. Collins

(Memorandum dated February 20, 1943 handed to the

Secretary, copy attached.)

MR. GAMBLE: We think, Mr. Secretary, that this
plan meets every request you have made. We think in

addition, it solves the things that we have been fighting
about or scrapping about. We think it keeps the self-

respect of the War Savings organization and makes it

possible for you to get full cooperation from it, not
only at the local level, but at the national level as
well.

It won't take but a minute to read it; and as long
as Mr. Moore and Mr. Trounstine are the authors of it, I
think I will ask Mr. Moore to read it to you.
Mr. Bell has heard it.
H.M.JR: Have you?

MR. BELL: Just before I came in here.
MR. MOORE: I talked with Fleek, and he said that

he was in agreement in principle, but he couldn't sign it
because he had already cleared his. This first part is
rather outdated now because Fleek hasn't signed it.
(The memorandum was read by Mr. Moore.)

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-2MR. MOORE: If I might add, Mr. Secretary, our think-

ing on that is that in such an agreement, which, I think,
Mr. Fleek accepts - he said that we could say to you that
he is in agreement with this, but that he would not sign
it because of the lack of authorization from Mr. Fleming this does not recognize any confusion or conflict.

It does not attempt to particularize or to state
anything that is subject to interpretation. It leaves
everything for this big operation strictly in the hands

of your own fiscal agent, and no one can refuse to accept
that. There can be no quarrel with the imperative neces-

sity for this drive.

H.M.JR: Whereis this different from what we have been
talking about?

MR. GRAVES: The thing that you have been talking

about did not touch, for example, the local community

organizations at all. It simply dealt with the thing

at the top - the management. Nothing was said in this
Chicago memorandum about what you would do with the

people that are actually going to do the work on this
job. Nothing was said about what your county organizations
would do. It talked only about the head men at the top
of the organization. This adds to the thing down at the
operating level, which is a very necessary thing.

H.M.JR: Idon't understand it.
MR. BELL: Of course, the other, I take it, tried

to get around the statements that you have all made

that you can't deliver to the presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks your organizations because they are

voluntary. That was the reason for leaving it that way,
as I understood it.
You said that the administrator will cooperate and
work with the president of the Federal Reserve Bank as
fiscal agent of the Treasury, meaning that his organization would go along with him to the extent that was

necessary for it to go.

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-3MR. GAMBLE: I think that is just the point. We
can't deliver them, but on a program that they are to
be a part of-MR. MOORE: We can deliver Mr. Trounstine and me

to Mr. Fleming in Cleveland, and Mr. Trounstine and I
can control our own organization. But, there is down

in the lower levels a recognition of this conflict

through
what I would
in
the December
drive. call bad handling of the publicity

H.M.JR: I still don't understand it. I still

don't understand what you are talking about.
MR. GAMBLE: Can I put it another way?

H.M.JR: Let me put it this way. Let me tell you

what I have decided. I am past the arguing stage.

Monday Mr. Bell and I are going to draft a letter
which is going to go to every one of the forty-eight
State administrators. We are going to ask you (Gamble,

Graves, and Buffington) to help us. It will also go
to the twelve fiscal agents, and it is going to say
something like this: "For the April drive, which will

start on April 12, I have appointed as my representative

in the various districts the fiscal agent of the Federal

Reserve Bank, who will represent me.

Incidentally, I just asked Williams, and he spends
seventy-five percent of his time for me. I asked him,
and he said that seventy-five percent of his time is now
spent for me. I am asking each of the State administrators
and State chairmen to cooperate with the fiscal agent of

the Treasury on this United States Treasury War Finance
Committee. From now on it shall be known as the United
States Treasury War Finance Committee.

MR. ISBEY: For this drive?

H.M.JR: For this drive. In the advertisements

it will be "United State Treasury War Finance Committee,"
and underneath that will be "Victory Fund Committee," and
"War Savings S+aff," so as to continue the name.

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I said that all matters within these districts will
be settled for this drive, with the exception of pay-roll

savings, on the level as between the fiscal agent and
you State chairmen and State administrators, particularly
advertising, so we won't have what we had in Chicago:
two full pages, one for E bonds, and one for the Victory
Fund.

Furthermore, I want you people to continue through
March with steady pressure, but no particular drives.

If there are going to be any particular drives, save
them for the last three weeks in April.

I also said that the flow of authority will be from

a committee here composed of people like Graves, Buffington,

Mr. Bell, and myself and any new people we bring in. It
will be a policy committee, and for the drive the authority
and directives will flow from this committee to the fiscal
agents and from there out. It will flow back in the same
order.

In other words, if there is something to be done
that we would like to have done, I will tell Mr. Young,

and he will get in touch with you (Isbey). If there

is any question asked about how you will get back to
Washington, or anything you want, it will be through
Mr. Young for this drive.
Now, I used the example that in New York they had
fifteen banks, each bank had a team, and they competed

with each other. As far as I know, they didn't do it
in any other district. They liked it in New York.
Did I say you had to do it in eleven other districts?
No. Did I say they had to do it at all? No. It was

decided by each one. You people may do it entirely
different than any other district, working out how you
work with the fiscal agent.

But, the main thing is, I can't find - every time
I go out in the territory, I can't find a conflict when
the fellows are living together in the same community,
I don't find the conflict. Ninety percent of the conflict

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-5is right here in the Treasury. I am not going to have

it any more.

When I went to Kansas City, and when I went to

St. Louis, there wasn't any trouble.

I just talked to these people from Pennsylvania
and Delaware. They said, "We get along; we live in the
same community. We get along; we live together. We
are part of the same community. In Delaware they
said, "We have been doing this anyway, because we have

such a small State." This Delaware man said, "When
they asked me at a meeting, I felt ashamed of myself
because I had no complaints. We get along in Delaware."

What I was saying is, where is there a difference

in this. I don't get any difference.

MR. GAMBLE : I don't think there is, Mr. Secretary.
It is one small added step that you don't take there

that I think is important.

MR. BELL: I think it all comes back to the form
of the directive.
MR. GRAVES: That is right.
MR. ISBEY: Nobody knew what the directive was

going to be, Mr. Secretary, and that was something that

would - it is the thing they are all afraid of. You
have explained it, and I think they are all entitled to

that.

H.M. JR: Not only are they going to be entitled to
it, Frank, but they are going to see the damned thing,
and you are going to see it at home. You are going
to see it, and have a chance to write your own corrections
and send it back for me to look at before it goes into
effect. You are going to have a chance to consult your
own people before it goes into effect.
MR. ISBEY: What I am thinking of is the other

forty-four States that are not here. I didn't want
you to get into difficulty with them.

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-6H.M.JR: No, no, it is going on the wires Monday

night. I am going to give the people in the District
forty-eight hours to mull it over and send it back to

me so I get it Thursday morning. What is the matter
with that?

MR. ISBEY: I have no complaint.
MR. TROUNSTINE: Mr. Secretary, I know what Mr.
Gamble was going to say.

H.M.JR: We didn't give him a chance.

MR. GAMBLE: First of all I would like to say
that I agree with you a hundred percent, and I think
I know what is in your mind.
H.M.JR: You ought to by now.

MR. GAMBLE: But I do think, Mr. Secretary, there

is one little point you don't quite make clear in the
way you told it to us, which is the danger of it. We
can correct it when we send these instructions out.

You assume for just a moment that this is something
that the War Sgvings people are being brought into

that is already an established operation. That is, I
think, the weakness of it. If you put it this way and
said when you sent this out that you wanted the two

organizations combined for this effort, so that you are
not just directing it at the War Savings organization

but you say that you want the Victory Fund people and the
War Savings, just as you are going to say in your adver-

tising-H.M.JR: I do.

MR. GAMBLE: But, as I pointed out this morning,
that has been the weakness of it.

H.M.JR: That can be taken care of.

MR. GAMBIE : I think it is vital.

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-7. H.M.JR: The two are to be brought together.

Every one of these Federal Reserve Bank presidents
speak to me as my representative, my fiscal agent.
MR. GAMBIE : Of both organizations, not one.
H.M.JR: None of them has come in here and said

one single word about Victory Fund. I haven't heard
it mentioned in this room.
MR. GAMBLE: I am not criticizing.
H.M.JR: Am I right?

MR. BELL: Yes, I think they have all had the same
thing in mind, even the presidents of the Federal
Reserve Banks, that from a morale standpoint they think
that that ought to be very carefully drawn.
MR. GAMBLE: Mr. Bell, I want to clear this up,
when we decide this - I think your policy committee is
right - we should immediately here in Washington start
changing every piece of advertising, every radio
announcement, everything we have, look ahead to our

posters and billboards so that they are all changed
for April, and changed at once. There is no reason

why you should have any advertising or promotional
problems for this drive when we already have ten

million dollars of material available to us. Instead
of these fellows worrying about a few ads, we can
deliver thousands of ads to them, and almost over night,
Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: I hope you are right.
MR. GAMBLE: I am certain of it.

H.M.JR: If the only thing that is worrying you is
that the directive is going to say that the War Savings
should get together with the others--

MR. GAMBLE : I think it has been an important
difference.

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agent.

H.M.JR: They both should get together under my

MR. ISBEY: That is right, they both get the

directives.

MR. BELL: That was planned.
MR. GAMBLE: Understand this is a new deal.
MR. TROUNSTINE: Let me say a thing about conflict:

There is no conflict on top in the States as far as I

know. The conflict has been down in the county and township level.
H.M.JR: Between whom?
MR. TROUNSTINE: The two groups.

MR. GAMBLE: This will clear it all up.

H.M.JR: This will clear it up.
MR. MOORE: It will, and that is without knowledge
or consciousness of any conflict that might exist in
Washington, of which Phil and I were not conscious.

H.M.JR: Well, if we say it this way, that the

Victory Fund Committee and the War Savings should

cooperate with the fiscal agent of the Cleveland

District during the April Drive-MR. MOORE: That is fine.

MR. TROUNSTINE: In the county, if you can--

H.M.JR: That is up to you fellows to do that.
MR. ISBEY: If the Secretary is giving the
instructions to the Victory Committee, and he is
giving instructions to the State administrators and
the chairmen, isn't that doing the job?

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H.M.JR: The complaint that I have heard is that I
give these instructions and they go to the State chairmen and the State administrator, and they don't go down
to the counties.
MR. GAMBLE: They don't get the same instructions.

H.M.JR: They don't get the same instructions.
MR. GAMBIE: This way they will get them.

H.M.JR: Whose fault is that?
MR. ISBEY: The Secretary's. (Laughter)

H.M.JR: No, it is not. I send you a telegram

about F and G bonds. I don't know how many counties you

have in Michigan, but it is up to you to get it down.

MR. ISBEY: They like to hear from you once in a

while.

MR. BELL: We have heard complaints on the other

side. Philadelphia didn't want it to go down to the counties.

They thought that would cause conflict. They only wanted
the instructions to go to the administrator and the
president, and let them carry them down to the counties.

MR. GAMBLE: I think that is right. If you brought
in forty-eight States, you would get forty-eight interpretations. I think that is one of the weaknesses of
some of our past planning, and I think that there should

be no question in anybody's mind that every man and
woman working for the Treasury anywhere in the United

States is behind this operation. We should not leave it
up to either the State administrator or the Victory Fund
man in any State to decide how far they are going with it.
We should tell them how far they are going to go, and
they are going to go all the way. That is why some of
these States say these things. They have their own ideas.
The Victory Fund people think, "We will do it our way;"

the State administrators think, "We will do it our way.

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- 10 We get along fine." We should leave no question about
that. We should set a pattern that goes all the way
down to every community in this country so we can
support it from the top with the national promotion.

MR. BELL: You don't think it would help the
morale of the worker to get a directive of this kind?
MR. GAMBLE: No, sir.

MR. ISBEY: You don't mean that the Secretary is
going to wire both county chairmen and-MR. GAMBLE: I know what is in some of these

people's minds. We have lived with them too long

not to know. I know in New York - I say, in all fair-

ness to everybody, that I don't think New York spent
ten minutes thinking about this, and that was, who
was going to be the boss. Everyone of them - and I
don't think they got down for one minute-H.M.JR: I told them who was going to be boss.

MR. GAMBIE : I don't think they meant much other than

the metropolitan area in New York. If we are going to
be part of this, we are concerned about it in every one
of the three thousand seventy-two counties, and I think
by and large everyone else is. You can't take a chance
on it.
MR. BELL: Would you make this public?

MR. GAMBLE: Yes, sir, I would have the Secretary
announce it at a press conference, make it the major

subject at a press conference, and follow it all the

way through as one of the greatest operations the Treasury

has ever undertaken.

MR. BELL: Ludlow is afraid that it would be made
public too soon.
MR. GRAVES: Not until after it had been communicated

to the fellows first.

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- 11 H.M.JR: As long as these people know the date is
the 12th, that is M-Day, and that is what they have got
to do. They have almost six weeks to get ready.
MR. GAMBLE: I think everybody should know it. You

see, they admit when they say that they don't want it
made public that they are afraid of something. No one
should be afraid of the kind of campaign the Secretary
has just said he wanted.

MR. MOORE: No one can afford to oppose it.

In the Seventh District agreement, Mr. Secretary,

it starts out on the premise that there isn't time to

merge and consolidate these operations. Yet, that is
our proposal, that they be merged and consolidated

entirely under the direction of your fiscal agent.

H.M.JR: Well, where I think we differ is this, if

I understand Gamble: I am not going to give instructions
which will go beyond the level of the State chairman or
the administrator or the fiscal agent, or whatever they
call the head of the Victory Fund.
MR. MOORE: That is perfectly all right.
H.M.JR: I am not going to give any instructions
beyond that level. I have enough confidence in you boys
to know that you can get together, but I don't think I
can write instructions which will get down to the county
level.

It is one of the great troubles with this. Every

time in Washington that OPA tries to give an instruction
on how I should run my farm, my truck, or how I should get
lumber to build a burned-down barn and won't leave it
to the county chairman to decide how I should rebuild my
barn - there might be stacks of lumber in Dutchess County
rotting there on the pier at Poughkeepsie.
To give you an example, when they first put in this

gasoline rationing - let me be a little bit wordy - you talk
about trying to write the thing. I had a station wagon on
the farm, and my wife had a car, and I didn't know how to

do the thing; I didn't have time to read it. This is as
good an illustration as I can give you. So, I got one

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- 12 of our best lawyers here, and I called up Henderson's

office. He sent over the lawyer in charge, plus the
assistant lawyer of that thing. They spent three hours

here making out my requisition - three hours. That was
on Friday.

I went up Saturday morning, and I walked into By
local office and asked for the man in charge, who happened

to be the leading Republican attorney, a very nice fellow
by the name of Folger. I said, "I came here to get my
tickets."
He is a nice fellow. He said, "What have you got

here, Mr. Morgenthau?"

I said, "I have this thing - I thought I would save
you the trouble of having it made out.
He said, "Don't bother with that; you are lucky.

A friend of mine showed me the regulations from Washington

so I. could read them over tonight. But, we still haven't
our instruction books. Now just tell me what your problem
is."
I told him, and he said, "O.K., you get so many

tickets.

I said, "What about this?"
He said, "We can't bother with Washington; we just

do it by rule of thumb to fit the community."

It worked out that I got approximately the same
number of tickets. I got a few more than these three
lawyers here would have given me. Now, it is impossible here they spent three hours, and this fellow said that
he was lucky, w saw the regula tions. He said, "Don't
bother, and pushed my thing aside and said, "What
do you want? What do you need it for? What are you
doing?" Then he said, "You get so many tickets; that

is the way to do it; that is the only way."

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- 13 MR. GAMBLE: I didn't make myself clear, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: I am trying to say it is the whole trouble,

and the fellow did it on the community level.

MR. GAMBLE: I didn't mean you should contact every

community.

H.M.JR: I think you mean that I should say how

every community should organize.

MR. GAMBIE : I thought you should say, so there

isn't
anydrive.
doubt, that every county is to get together
on this
H.M.JR: I am going to word it so everybody - the
State administrator, the State chairman, the chairman

of the Victory Fund Committee, and everybody - should
do everything humanly possible to help the United States
Treasury finance the war. I want everybody - everybody

that they can lay their hands on - who is not now
working for the Treasury; in other words, anybody who
has any free time, man, woman, or child, who will help
us for three weeks during April - we want him.
MR. GAMBLE: I don't disagree with that.

H.M.JR: No, I cannot, I will not, and I think it
would be the height of stupidity for me to follow in

the tracks of OPA and try to tell them on a county level

what they should do.

Claude Wickard went out to see how his hogs were

getting along. He rode around, and here were his hogs

rooting up his this year's alfalfa crop just seeded.
He said, "I tore into the house and said to the hired

man, 'Why are you letting these hogs do this?' He
said, 'O.K., Mr. Wickard, you get me the copper for the

nose rings; I can't get it; I don't know how to do it;
I can't get the copper. Maybe you can give me silver

or gold! He said, 1 can't get a nose ring.

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- 14 Every time you go to the community - I know, living

in a rural community, that they are the difficult ones

to handle. You can handle your tenement houses, but you
can't do it from Washington.

MR. GAMBLE: My thought is that this directive
should be so clear that Richmond Meyer in your community
knows that he and the Victory Fund man in your county

are to work this problem out together.

H.M.JR: They won't hear it from me.
MR. GAMBLE: They don't have to hear it from you.

H.M.JR: But they will hear it from Dick Patterson
and from whoever the Victory Fund fellow is.
MR. BELL: Whatever you say that is made public
can be distributed.

H.M.JR: I have to stop.
MR. ISBEY: Is there a time limit when it will be
made public? How much time are you going to take after
you send this wire?

H.M.JR: I am going to give everybody forty-eight
hours to come back. Then it will take us a couple of

days to get it together, so I doubt whether it will be

made public before Monday, a week.

MR. ISBEY: Everybody wanted to know what your

directive was, and we are entitled to know that.

H.M.JR: You are going to have a chance to. Now,

what is the matter with that?

MR. ISBEY: That is all right.
H.M.JR: Harold?

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MR. GRAVES: It: is all right.
H.M.JR: You will have a chance at it. You can
start drafting now. (Laughter)

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February 20, 1943

MEMOR ANDUM TO THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY:

Mr. John Fleek, representing the Fourth Federal
Reserve Victory Fund Committee, Phil Trounstine and
Roy Moore, State Chairman and State Administrator,
respectively, of the War Savings Staff in Ohio, have
discussed in several meetings the most logical procedure for the integration of the Victory Fund and War
Savings volunteer organizations for the successful

completion of the April drive.

This suggestion to the Secretary of the Treasury
is fully agreed upon.

That instructions shall be issued by the
Secretary of the Treasury that for the
duration of the April drive and for

later financing campaigns the Ohio War
Savings organization and the Victory
Fund organization combine on the State,
county, and community levels, under the

direction of the President of the Fourth

Federal Reserve Bank as Coordinator;

That, under his direction, both committees
may request their local chairmen to act
as co-chairmen for the period of preparation
and during the April drive;
That all volunteers who act as salesmen and
canvassers during the drive shall have the

entire basket of Treasury offerings, includ-

ing E bonds.

We feel this would result in a complete elimination
of conflict and confusion at the local levels, and in a
greater push for the huge effort we all want to put behind

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Memo. to the Secretary--2

the big campaign. We can assure you that these instructions would be enthusiastically received, and leave an
amicable relationship for the continuance of the sustained War Savings program. Moreover, it would bring
a much finer receptivity throughout the State for the

big drives that are to come later.

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February 20, 1948.

Dear

Thank you for year letter of February 10,
together with the draft of a report bearing
upon the fortherning April financial campaign.

You may be sure that I - gind to have the
material, and shall & through 10 with close

attention. I know that 10 also will have tremely careful study is the various Treasury
offices to which you have sent 19.
with certified personal regards,
Sincerely,

(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Dr. v. Bantelph Burgoon,
se Well Street,
New York, New test.

GEF/dbs

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Mr. Haas says he thinks this is the

best job the bankers' crowd have done.

6

have Rain offer Burger this

pins. IV are jus,

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

FEB 25 1943

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

Mr. Haas

Subject:

First Draft of Report on the Banks Place in the
1943 Financing Program, by the Economic Policy
Commission of the American Bankers Association

I have gone over the draft of the proposed report which
was sent to you by Mr. Randolph Burgess. The figures in the

report appear to be substantially correct.
On the whole, my reaction to this report is a favorable
one. It presents the budgetary situation for the coming year
and the inflationary potentialities of that situation, pointing up especially the necessity of placing as large a propor-

tion as possible of new Government securities in the hands of
other investors than commercial banks.

In this connection, it is stated in the report that banks

have an important function in promoting the sale of Government
securities to nonbanking investors; that the performance of

this task will not result in a permanent reduction in bank
deposits as the deposits paid out as a result of customers'
subscriptions will return, although under different ownership;
and that, even in the case of individual banks, the gap can
generally be bridged by the use of War Loan account. It is
also pointed out that if the pending bill to exempt War Loan

deposits from reserve requirements is passed, customers' subscriptions to Government securities paid for in this manner
will have the effect of actually increasing the excess reserves
of the banks through which the subscriptions are entered.
The report estimates that $11 billions of new Government

securities will be absorbed by the banks during the first six
months of calendar 1943. It argues that this absorption can
take place on the basis of excess reserves of about $1.5 billions -- their approximate level when the draft report was

written; they are now about $1.9 billions. It is pointed out

that reserves lost as a result of bank purchases of Government that

securities tend to come back as the funds are spent, and
individual banks which are less fortunate than the average can
always fall back on the Federal Reserve Banks which will buy

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their Treasury bills either outright or under repurchase agreement or will lend at 1/2 of one percent against short-term
Governments.

I see no objection to such a statement on the part of a
private organization, although I believe that it would be
clearly injurious to the market if it were made by the central

banking authorities as part of a campaign to urge member banks
to go into debt in order to acquire Government securities.

with reference to the matter of self-imposed quotas, the
report suggests that "The bank carrying continuously large
excess reserves is not doing its share in the program.
Other suggested oriteria for determining the amounts of
individual bank subscriptions are (1) the percentage of deposits invested in Governments, and (2) the ratio of the indi-

vidual bank's deposits to total deposits in the country. It
should be noted that these criteria, if applied rigidly, would

tend to force a substantial number of banks into debt to acquire
Government securities. Here again there 16 probably no harm
in these criteria being suggested by the Bankers Association

as long as the central banking authorities see to it that it
is not, as a matter of fact, necessary for any substantial

amount of bank borrowing to take place. If applied by the
central banking authorities without this precaution, these
criteria might seriously threaten the present pattern of rates.
The Economic Policy Commission sees no danger that the

deposits created by financing the war effort will disappear
suddenly at the end of the war -- a fear which tends to retard
some individual bank subscriptions. Neither are declining
capital ratios considered cause for alarm so long as the proportion of loans and investments in Government securities is
increasing; but a continuance of conservative policies with
respect to maturities is urged.

him
every
FEB 27 1943

Dear Randolphi

This to in reply to your letters of February 18. 1943.

to the Secretary and to no. the which you enclosed copies
of a draft of a report by the Tesasate Foliey Connicsion of
the American Bankere Association entitled, "The 109 Billion
Beiggt and the Banks".

I think 10 is a very good report, and I have only a

for suggestions to make.

0a page 5 the report says

the December financing

included the sale of $5 billions of securities to the commercial banks, which is directly inflationary. IS scene to
me that this characterization is incorrect and night well be
millier. Sales of securities to connercial beaks are infla-

ticusey only when the proceeds are expended and the individual
deposite created thereby fall into the heads of persone decirous
of spending then rather than holding then as a form of saving.

IS appears that quite a proportion of the deposite created w
the war financing has been hold by their resipients as a form
of saving. 20 couns to se that 10 sight be more accurate to
characterise the sale of securities to commercial banks is the
December financing as "Laylag the books for inflation rather

then as "directly inflationary."

is table 4 on page 10 you estimate that Treasury borroving
from washinking investors will decrease from $15.5 billiers is
the ets wealths ented December 31. 1942. to #13.1 billions is the
ets anothe ending June 30. 1943. This estimate is rather pas-

sitag. I - 19 arises because the current sin-month period

begin innotiately following . financing campaign and will end
shortly before the beginning of another. If this is the case,
I believe that 10 should be spelled out. In any event. I
believe that the figure deserves some explanation in order to
would unfavorable comment. In the same table 10 is estimated

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-2that horrowing from Invoice will decrease fres $38.4 billions

in the last six months to 423.3 billions in the current

sis-weath period. This appears to be due to an underlying
assumption that the working Balance on June 30. 1943,

will be the - as en June 30. 1942. This would mose that,

whereas a large proportion of bursering fres banks in the
last six months seat to build up the working balance, berroring
from banks during the current ein months would be reduced by
drawing on the working balance. Z believe that this should
be spelled out too and its rather aubitony claimeter pointed
out. There is. of course, no a patert Person why the working
balance as June 30. 1943. should be the same as on J 30.

1942.

The chart on page 20a is laboled "Omerahly of 8. a. Governnone Securities", has estanling shows ownership only in the case
of marketable issues accountable issues being shown by type

of occurity only. This night be clarified by changing the state
of the shart.

Finally, 11 - to me that the objective of increasing

sales of Government securities outside the banking system would

be helped a great deal If the report used baske to furnish
lists of prospective parchasers of Government securition to the
local sales comitteen.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) D. W. BELL

Under Secretary of the Treasury

Mr. W. Bandolph Request

55 well Street

New Yeak, New Yeads

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W. RANDOLPH BURGESS
55 WALL STREET
NEW YORK

44329
February 18, 1943.

Dear Henry:

The president of the American Bankers Association has asked the Economic Policy Commission to make

another study of the position and duties of the banks

with respect to Treasury financing in the light of recent developments.

Enclosed herewith is a first draft of a report
prepared in response to this request. If you could find
time to glance through this draft and give me your suggestions we should be most appreciative. I am sending copies
also to Dan Bell and George Buffington.
With best wishes,
Sincerely yours,

Kanaugh
Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.

The object is to help puppore the

way for the april drive 1

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THE 109 BILLION BUDGET AND THE BANKS

With the announcement of another Victory bond drive in April, the
banks face a new challenge. The December drive was a success - better than

any had dared hope. The banks are proud of their share in this success.
The April drive must be even better. More money is needed.

A

larger part of it should be obtained from individuals; the coverage must be
broader if inflationary price advances are to be checked.

This task calls for understanding as well as for action for bankers
are being asked to interpret to their neighbors and customers the meaning and

the dangers of war finance. So it is the purpose of this report to examine
the present financing problem and bring up to date the report of last April "Treasury War Borrowing and the Banks."
The New Budget

Once more the President has startled the country with a budget of

gigantic proportions - $24 billions larger than the current fiscal year's
probable expenditures and six times as large as the biggest year of World
War I. These relationships are shown in Diagram I (page 1-A).
This budget is the bookkeeping aspect of a huge job of production and

organization of manpower and physical forces. The objective is the ships, guns,
and planes, and the men to arm them and oversome the enemy in battle.

This means an almost incredible increase in the country's output. We
mist produce for war alone as much as was produced for every purpose in our

best years of the past, and, in addition, we must produce enough to feed and

olothe our population and carry forward essential civilian services.

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1-A

Diagram I
UNITED STATES RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES

(Billions of Dollars)

EXPENDITURES

RECEIPTS

914

1920

1925

1930

1935

1940

1945

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The accomplishment of this great task will require, as the President said in his message, the full harnessing of the nation's manpower and
resources. "Victory," he said, "cannot be bought with any amount of money,

however large; victory is achieved with the blood of soldiers, the sweat of
working mon and women and the saorifice of all people."

The experience of the past two years gives confidence that the ob-

jectives set are within our reach. A year ago the budget estimate for 194243 spending was $59 billions. The actual figures will be nearer to $80 billions. Production goals for ships and tanks and guns and planes which seem-

ed utterly fantastic have largely been realized, and the sights have again

been raised. All along the line apparent oeilings have been lifted. It oan
be done.

The Inflation Threat

The task before us requires not only great national effort, but also great national restraint. This huge spending program will pour into the
hands of our people vast sums; the national income will be at new high levels.
But spending must be restrained because we cannot produce and import all the

goods civilians would like. If spenders compete for a limited amount of goods

they will knock prices sky-high; in other words, we shall have inflation.
The inflation threat, the peril of unrestrained consumer spending,

is being dealt with on several fronts:
1. Price controls and rationing.
2. Taxation.
3. Bond sales to the people.
4. Voluntary savings.
All of these forms of restraint are necessary and we are daily learning more about them, their uses and their limitations. Especially are we
learning how hard it is to make laws and rules to restrain some people without

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inflicting undue and perhaps unnecessary hardships on others. People who
make the loudest outory may not be those hurt most, but they may be those

with most political power. The administrator of these functions needs every sympathy and every aid from patriotic oitisens.

The banks are aiding in the administration of the rationing program as it expands to cover an increasing number of commodities. It may

safely be stated that their work will be done thoroughly and efficiently
and will case the burden on the rationing administration and on business.

The country is also learning that there is no painless form of
taxation which will draw off all the excess buying power and thus prevent

inflationary spending. No one has yet devised a plan for extracting the
spendable surplus from a war worker whose wage has jumped from $30 to $80

a week without wrecking the living arrangements of the white collar worker
whose increase from $40 to perhaps $45 has failed to keep pace with the rise

in his cost of living.
The tax program still leaves much to be desired, especially in
reaching the newly-created inoomo where it is and bringing a reasonable

amount back into the Treasury currently. Nearly all are now agreed that
some form of pay-as-you-go tax is essential and very many qualified students

think a sales tax is also necessary.
But no equitable tax program can take the whole surplus income.

Compulsory savings plans encounter the same limitations. There will still
remain much spending power which can be reached only by voluntary means. It

is in this area, which means points three and four above, that the banks have

their special opportunity.

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Selling Governments Outside the Banks

The December drive, under the leadership of the Victory Fund oom-

mittees, was more successful than had been expected. A goal of $9 billions
was set and nearly $13 billions of securities were sold, including December
sales of War Savings Bonds. But at the Treasury and among the members of

these committees it is recognized that only a start was made in the groat
task before us.

In the first place, the amounts of money required by the Government

are steadily increasing. Table I shows the amount of funds to be raised
through public financing in accordance with present budget estimates.
Table I
RECEIPTS - EXPENDITURES - PUBLIC FINANCING

(In Billions of Dollars)
Fiscal

Fiscal

Fiscal

1942

1943

1944

Actual

Budget

Budget

36.3

85.4

108.8

Total net receipts **

12.8

23.0

33.1

Increase in public debt

23.5

62.4

75.7

3.8

4.1

5.7

19.7

58.3

70.0

Total expenditures including gov. corp.
not outlays *

Borrowing from trust accounts and refund-

ing of gov. corp. obligations

Total public financing - net
**

***

Exolusive of debt retirement.
Exclusive of social security tax receipts
Exolusive of any now taxes.

In the present fiscal year, which ends on June 30, 1943, the total

amount of public financing will be about $58 billions. of this total about
$34 billions was completed in the first six months, leaving something like

$24 billions in the period January-June. In the next fiscal year, from June
30, 1943 through June 1944, the total to be raised will jump to $70 billions

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on the basis of present estimates of expenditures and present tax laws. This
may and should be reduced through additional taxes but, in any event, repre-

sents a huge task if it is to be financed without serious inflationary oonsequences.

Also, the December financing included the sale of $6 billions of

securities to the commercial banks, which is directly inflationary. It is
most desirable that in the next drive a far larger proportion of the seourities should be taken by other investors, and particularly by individuals. For
it is money in the hands of individuals which is the ohiof inflationary menace.
Table 2 gives an analysis of the results of the December drive. It
shows that next to the banks the largest buyers were corporations and then insurance companies. Individuals, partnerships and personal trust accounts pur6

chased only about $1.5 billion out of a grand total of $12.9 billions.
Table 2
DECEMBER DRIVE - ANALYSIS OF BUYERS

(In Millions of Dollars)
Sales of other securities
7/8% Cer- 1 3/4% 2 1/2% Tax
crease in
tificates Treas. Treasury Notes,
Treasury
Series
of
indebt. Bonds, Bonds,
Bills out-

Net in-

237

1,367

48

82

479

668

182

160

1,147

66

118

82

253

188

948

447

319

115

10

31

-

-

2
-

funds

-

260

609

-

2,213
1,589
881

-

53

-

263

-

-

1

83

28

83

-

-

12

1,677

-

-

-

S. Gov. agencies & trust funds
cate & local governments, their
agenoies and sinking and trust

73

-

-

calers and brokers
Leemosynary institutions

2,058

-

personal trust accounts

5,072

2,117

-

dividuals, partnerships, &

A&C

-

897

1963-68

1948

-

king souroes
or sources:
surance companies
vings banks
ther corporations

12-1-43

Savings
Bonds,
Series
E,F & G
-

standing

Total

-

194
386

11 other (including unclassified) 897 o
tal from other sources

232

62

92

1,682

1,004

2,830

1,335

1,014

7,865

tal from all sources

3,799

3,062

2,830

1,335

1,014

12,937

-

897

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The ocnolusion must be drawn that, while this drive was success-

ful in raising money and in raising a substantial part of it outside the
banking system, it was not wholly successful as an anti-inflationary meas-

ure. It did not got enough money from individuals. This is shown also in
the number of subscriptions. A total of 340,000 subscribers is not large
in a nation of 130,000,000.
It should, of course, be added that the war savings program is
steadily reaching more than 20,000,000 persons through payroll deductions

but the dollar amount of those purchases is running less than half a billion
dollars a month. The program is only a good beginning at absorbing the huge
outflow of funds from government spending.

Another way of analysing the results of the December financing is
to compare the sales in 12 Federal Reserve distriots with the total bank de-

posits in those districts, which are a fairly good measure of the capacity
of different districts to buy government securities. These data are shown

in the following table and appear to indicate that in relation to their resources some districts did a much more effective sales job than others.
Table 3
SALES OF U.S. GOVERNMENT SECURITIES IN DECEMBER 1942,
EXCLUSIVE OF SALES TO BANKS. SALES IN PERCENTAGES OF
TOTAL DEPOSITS, BY FEDERAL RESERVE DISTRICTS

(In Millions of Dollars)
District

Sales

Boston
New York

583.3

Philadelphia
Cleveland

Richmond

Atlanta
Chicago

St. Louis
Minneapolis
Kansas City
Dallas
San Francisco
Total

Total Deposits

Per Cent

6/30/42
3,991.2
319.4
556.6
267.1
178.4
846.1
143.2
97.3
164.3
127.6
309.5

7,573.0

9,554.0

17.02
18.08
8.82
11.07
9.74
7.42
8.84

2,285.2
1,370.3
2,412.7
2,094.8
6,388.3
63,404.4

6.39
6.09
4.84
11.94

3,426.5
22,080.1
3,620.0
5,026.1
2,742.5
2,403.9

6.27
7.10

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From all these figures, it is perfectly clear that the program
of selling government securities must plow deeper and reach more individ-

uals. The December drive - to the extent that sales were made outside the
commercial banks - reached primarily corporation and institutional funds

which are ordinarily not inflationary. This points the way for the next
drive which must be directed more largely to individuals, and especially
to those individuals who are receiving the bulk of the newly-created funds.
The Next Drive

The Secretary of the Treasury has announced that the next drive

to sell bonds will take place early in April. A series of conferences
have been held to lay the basis for this drive. The Victory Fund committees in several districts have drawn up their suggestions and are carry-

ing forward their plans of organisation. Their representatives have met
in Washington with the Treasury and officials of the Federal Reserve System. The committee of the American Bankers Association appointed by President Hemingway in November has held two meetings at the Treasury since the

first of the year. Thus the whole question of the organization and methods
of the drive has been reviewed and announcements will be made from time to

time on specific points. In this report it seemed desirable to deal only
with some of the principles which are likely to determine the success or

failure of the drive.
The first point is that the banks have now demonstrated their key

position in this whole enterprise, and they will be looked to for leadership and accomplishment.

A second oonolusion from the December experience was that results

were in proportion to the amount and quality of manpower applied, and the

best results were obtained from personal interviews by bankers and investment bankers.

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A third principle is that more preparation must be made ahead

of time. More and better publicity is needed through both the press
and the radio, to lay a background for individual appeals. The experience of the drive also indicated the need for a careful preparation of
lists of prospects well in advance of the time when actual canvassing is

done, removing duplications as far as feasible. It is helpful for bank
presidents and others to write personal letters to these prospects before
they are interviewed by salesmen. The salesmen in turn will prove more

effective if they are trained specifically for this task, so that they
know more about the securities that are being offered and the kind of appeal which brings the best results.
In the fourth place it now seems clear that the approach to
bank depositors as such will need to be supplemented by appeals to in-

dividuals in the places where they work and through their religious and

social organizations. The present organization plans for the next drive
are including these additional approaches.
Answers to Two Questions

There are still a few bankers who question whether they oan of-

ford the drain on their deposits which will result from a vigorous procram of sales of government securities to their depositors. This question, fortunately, is being answered by the experience of banks all over

the country. For they are finding that the deposits which go out of one
window through the sale of government securities come back through another
window in some other account.

The whole overall program of government financing carries with

it inevitably a large increase in deposits and these now deposits are find-

ing their way into almost every bank in the country. It is true that banks

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in mmitions production areas are growing most rapidly, but it is remarkable how the increase spreads itself out and is distributed into nearly
all corners of the banking structure.
When a bank depositor buys bonds from the Government it means

only a temporary reduction in deposits because the Government promptly

spends the money and it comes into the hands of some other depositor.
While to many this was only banking theory a few months ago, it has now
been demonstrated conclusively through the experience of bank after bank.
As the deposits go out through customer subscriptions for bonds or through

government withdrawals, there is reasonable certainty that over a period

they will return, though under different ownership.
Another question troubling bankers is how they can find the time

for this effort with staffs reduced through loss of personnel to military
and other service, and with the volume of work increasing. This problem

finds its answer both in patriotism and in enlightened self-interest.
There is no other agency in the strategic position to perform this service.
Industry is heavily engaged in direct war production. The sale of bonds is
the banks' great opportunity. Moreover, the record shows many cases where

in the last war the banks which actively and energetically did the war work
were the ones that recorded lasting growth in their volume of business. The
same seems likely to be true this time. Customers want to associate themselves with institutions that are vigorous and energetic and are performing

their banking function in a broad way. Also, the place of the banks in the

body politic will be affected by the way they do this job. It is an unusual
opportunity to demonstrate the public usefulness of the private banking system.

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THE BANKS' OVEN SUBSCRIPTIONS

Even after the best possible efforts to sell securities to their
customers, the banks themselves will be called upon to absorb a substan-

tial amount of government securities. Diagram shows how
Their holdings have increased by leaps and bounds in the past few years,
and diagram 2 (page 10-B) shows that commercial banks now hold 34 per

cent of total outstanding government securities.
It is perhaps helpful to make some estimate of the probabilities

for the remainder of this fiscal year. This is done in table 4 which
shows to whom government bonds have been sold for the past two fiscal

years, for the first six months of the current fiscal year and an estimate
for the current six months.
Table 4
ACTUAL AND ESTIMATED CHANGES IN HOLDINGS OF PUBLICLY
HELD DIRECT AND GUARANTEED GOVERNMENT DEBT - 1941-43

(In Billions of Dollars)

War savings bonds

Tax anticipation notes
Insurance companies

Mutual savings banks
Other

Subtotal
Commercial banks
Federal Reserve banks

Fiscal 1943 estimated

Fiscal

Fiscal

1941

1942

Actual

Actual

Actual

1.4

5.9
3.0

4.9

-

1st 6 mos.

3.4.

1.9

2.1

1.1

1.6

4.4

2.2

12.9.

.4
.3

.5

3.6

- .3

.7

Full

2nd 6 mos.
Estimated

Year

/6.0

10.9

1.5
1.3

4.9
8.4

/ .3

1.0

4.0

8.4

15.5

13.1

28.6

6.3
.5

14.9.

24.2

3.5

9.3
2.0

6.8

18.4

11.3

29.7

33.9

/ 24.4

Subtotal

+ 3.3.

t

Total

t 5.5

t 19.71

5.5

t

58.3

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Diagram 2
OWNERSHIP OF U.S. GOVERNMENT SECURITIES

November 30, 1942

29523

TAX

SPECIAL
ISSUES
8.75%

NOTES
5.68%
COMMERCIAL
BANKS

34,35%

SAVINGS
BONDS

14.03%

ALL OTHERS
14.45 %

SAVINGS

LIFE

96

Good
INSUR

FED.
RES.

BANKS
Chicken

5.38%

COS.
GOS

7.58%

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These current figures will be largely determined by the success

of the April drive, and they will, of course, be influenced by the tax
program and many other factors. The estimate shown in the table assumes

that the April drive will produce moderately better results than the Deoember drive, though this ought to be a minimum estimate for sales outside

the banks. It would suggest that the banks would be called upon to absorb

about 9 billion dollars worth of government securities in the ourrent six
months' period. This is less than they purchased in the last six months
of 1942 but is, nevertheless, a substantial sum which is inflationary and
should be reduced to a minimum. In the coming fiscal year the amounts will

be larger still.
The pattern of financing through the banks is becoming well os-

tablished. While it looks like an impossibility for banks with approximately 1 1/2 billion dollars of excess reserves to buy 9 billion dollars
of government securities, we have learned by experience how the process

of buying these securities works out.
What happens is simply this. A bank subscribes for government

securities, making the payment by an increase in its war loan account.
This requires immediately an increase in its reserves, but those reserves
have in one way or another been made available as the Federal Reserve Sys-

tem has purchased securities in the market, or has reduced reserve requirements. For example, in the last six months of 1942 the member banks of the
Reserve System bought over $13 billions of government securities and sup-

plied depositors with $3 billions net of additional currency. Despite the
A bill now before Congress would eliminate the requirement for reserves
against government war loan deposits as well as F.D.I.C. assessment against such deposits. With this arrangement the requirement for reserve would take place
only when war loan deposits are withdrawn, the funds spent by the Treasury
and returned to the banks as ordinary deposits. This would make more gradual the need for added reserve.

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dollar for dollar loss of reserves occasioned by ourrenoy withdrawals
and despite also the increased reserves needed to back the now deposits
created by government borrowing, excess reserves were reduced by only

about half billion dollars. This was mainly because the Federal Reserve Banks made $4 1/2 billions available through open market opera-

tions and through reducing the legal percentages of required reserve to

deposits of central reserve city banks.
Thus the process as a whole is not difficult to understand.
During the period, however, individual banks have often found themselves short of reserves through shifting of deposits, withdrawals of currency, or otherwise. The usual method of meeting this situation has been through sell-

ing Treasury bills or certificates in the market or to the Federal Reserve Banks. These channels have been freely open at all time. This
period has in fact provided a demonstration of the ease of making reserve

adjustments through the use of these facilities. The proof is to be
found in the fact that at no time during the period has there been any
substantial borrowing by member banks at the Reserve banks, although the

discount rates have been reduced to 1/2 of one per cent on short governments and the Reserve System has been prepared to discount freely.

This experience suggests that the whole operation can be carried

through with relatively little need for banks' borrowing at the Reserve
banks. Under present circumstances there is olearly no odium attached to
such borrowing, and it would rather be a sign that a bank is prepared to
do its share in carrying through war financing. But any bank which does

not wish to borrow is likely to find little difficulty in making adjustments
in other ways.

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WHAT IS EACH BANK'S SHARE!

One question frequently asked is how a bank can decide how large

a subscription it ought to enter. A first principle is that banks should
now be fully invested. With the large amount of Treasury bills and certificates available there is no longer any reason for a bank to carry more
than a very minimum of excess reserves. To do so is to lose earnings unnecessarily. The bank carrying continuously large excess reserves is not
doing its share in the program.
In fact, the weight of government financing is now being taken

by banks with no excess reserves. Banks in this condition find that if
they go ahead and subscribe their share for each now issue they are able

to maintain their positions in ways indicated above without serious difficulty.

A second yardstick is therefore desirable to govern banks in

their subscriptions, apart from their reserve position. Perhaps the simplest such measure is the percentage of the bank's deposits which is invested in government securities. On December 31, 1942 the average bank

in the United States held government securities equal to nearly 50 per

oent of its total deposits, and banks which are holding less than this
amount might well examine their position to see whether they might not
do more. This percentage would of course be a good deal influenced by a

bank's loan portfolio. A bank which had a relatively large loan portfolio
would not be able to subsoribe quite so heavily for government securities.
Another measure which may be applied in subscribing for new

issues is the ratio of a bank's deposits to the total for the country.
For example, a bank with $8,500,000 of deposits holds approximately onehundredth of one per oent of the $85,000,000,000 bank deposits of the

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country and might be expected to enter a subscription for at least $200,000
for a new issue of $2,000,000,000 offered to the banks.
The Treasury and the Reserve System have steadily rejected sugges-

tions that quotas should be fixed for bank subscriptions in the belief that
this was not necessary or desirable. It seems much wiser for each bank to

decide its own policy in the light of the suggestions given above and in all
the circumstances of its own position.
WILL DEPOSITS DISAPPEAR?

Some banks have been reluctant to become fully invested because of

a feeling that their greatly expanded deposits were in the nature of fluff
which would blow away with the first strong wind. They recall that in 1920
and 1921 bank deposits shrank very rapidly and compelled quite a liquidation
of bank assets, and they wonder whother something like this will ocour again.

The two situations are quite different, for the great expansion in
bank deposits in 1917 to 1920 was in commercial loans for the purpose of
carrying large inventories of commodities. ...hen the prices of these commodi-

ties dropped the loans were liquidated and, with them, the deposits.
In the present case the expansion of deposits is due to increased
holdings of government securities and the deposits would normally be liquidated as these securities are redeemed by the Government or are sold to other in-

vestors. This is likoly to be a gradual operation and there may be some offsetting increases from commercial lending.

Even though the total of bank deposits is likely to change rather

slowly after the war there may, of course, be substantial shifts in deposits
between different regions of the country and different banks.
The answer to this problem appears to lie in the character of the

securities purchased. Many careful bankers are putting a large part of their

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newly adquired funds into Treasury bills and certificates which oan always
be liquidated oromptly to meet any decline in deposits but which, nevertheless, enable the bank to do its share in the financing program and to add
to its income without incurring any real hasard.
The Treasury has made every effort to design the issues it has

created to. meet this specific problem. The volume of Treasury bills and
certificates outstanding has been steadily increased. The Federal Reserve
System, moreover, has maintained a constant market for Treasury bills by

announcing its willingness to buy such bills at any time at 3/8 of 1 per
cont and to re-sell them again at the same rate to the bank which offered

them. It has in addition given support when necessary to the market for
Treasury certificates. Under these circumstances banks have been justified

in treating bills and certificates as the equivalent of cash.
with respect to the low yields on these securities it may be noted that they represent largely the employment of now money, so that the

yield is not comparable with the usual cost of obtaining money. While it
requires something of a readjustment of thinking for country banks to em-

ploy funds at rates as low as 3/8 or 7/8 of one per cent, increasing numbers of such banks are recognising an unusual situation and employing a sub-

stantial part of their newly acquired deposits in this way.
CONDITION OF THE BANKS

Concern is sometimes expressed about the bank position with near-

ly 50 per cent of their assets in government securities and their capital
ratio steadily declining. The changes are shown in table 5 for all member
banks, with estimates for June 30, 1943.

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Table 5
EFFECT OF GOVERNMENT SECURITY PURCHASES
ON ALL MEMBER BANKS, ASSUMING PURCHASES

AS INDICATED IN TABLE 4

(In Billions of Dollars)
June 30

Dec. 31

1941

1941

June 30

Dec. 31

June 30

1942

1942

1943

TOTAL LOANS & INVESTMENTS:
Loans

16.7

18.0

16.9

16.1

Governments

18.1
5.8

19.5
6.0

24.1

37.6

16.1
45.7

5.8

5.7

5.7

40.6

43.5

46.8

59.3

67.5

58.5

61.7

64.0

77.0

84.0

5.8

5.9

6.0

6.1

6.2

9.4%
12.8%

7.8%

7.4%

10.3%

9.2%

Other Investments
Total
LIABILITIES:
Deposits

Capital Funds
CAPITAL FUNDS RATIOS:

To Deposits
To Loans and Investments

9.9%
14.3%

9.6%
13.6%

Allows for increase of $1.5 billion in money in circulation

Jan. 1, 1943 to June 30, 1943.

These are indeed trends which justify careful consideration and

their indefinite continuance would be sorious. There are certain alleviating elements. First, the decline in loans and in investments other than
government securities represents a reduction in risk and in many cases a

cleaning up of old sores. For some years past, for example, banks as a whole
have been steadily writing down the book value of bank premises.
Second, banks have been following a conservative policy in their

purchases of government securities as is shown in diagram 3. All of the inorease recently has been in securities under ten years maturity (to call
date) and most of it under five. More than 10 billions matures within one
year.

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Diagram 3
OWNERSHIP OF GOVERNMENT SECURITIES

BY COMMERCIAL BANKS,BY CALL CLASSES

(Billions of Dollars)

40

30
OVER 20 YEARS
15-20 YEARS

20
YEARS

5-10 YEARS
10

1 - 5 YEARS

00000000000000 00 00

600000008
J.

GUNDER LYEAR

J. A. S. O. N. D. J. F. M. A. M. J. J. A. S. O.
1941

1942

N.

D

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Under these conditions it may be stated that the amount of risk

to be covered by capital has not increased. The real question is not as
to the position today, which is wholly dependent on the war and the success

in selling securities outside the banks, but as to the post-mar position
when the huge volume of bank funds may seek more active employment. It will

then be desirable that the bank capital position should be strong enough to

justify the banks in taking the risks necessary in financing their share of
the business ventures essential to full employment. To that end it is most
desirable that bank capital be augmented gradually from earnings and later

perhaps by obtaining new oapital in the market.

There is nothing in this situation to prevent a bank's doing its
full share in the financing program provided it follows a conservative
policy in the maturity of purchases, and a conservative policy also in dealing with any doubtful assets and in the payment of dividends.
DANGERS OF THE GIGANTIC DEBT

Behind all of these more technical problems lies a growing appre-

hension as to the effect of the mounting government debt. A few years ago
a 50 billion dollar debt was dreaded as a grave danger and today we face one

perhaps five or six times that large. The trend is shown in diagram 4(page 17-A).

debt will shortly reach a total twice as large as even today's greatly expanded national income.

The first and inevitable result is an annual interest cost larger
than the whole national budget of a few years ago. This means higher taxes
for an indefinite period and higher taxes always hurt through the discourage-

ment of initiative and enterprise. While no one can foretell the ultimate offeets of this tax burden upon the economic system, it is a risk in war we have

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Disgram 4
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT DIRECT DEST

(In Billions of Dollars)
250

200

150

100

50

0

1914

1920

1925

1930

1935

1940

1945

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to take. If taxos are applied wisely and are accompanied by post-war

policies that are conducive to a sound increase in national productivity
and wealth, the monace in this heavy debt charge to our currency and

free institutions will be lessoned.
The more immediate danger attaches to the expension of bank

credit through which the huge debt is oreated and carried. For it is

this bank credit that represents potential inflation. It is spending
power in vast amounts which could blow prices through the roof if its

owners started to spend it freely.
For all these recent years when bank deposits have been grow-

ing with the climbing national debt the saving grace has been an atti-

tude of caution on the part of the owners of deposits. This had both
its good and its bad aspects. Its good aspect was its avoidance of inflationary price increases. Its bad aspect a few years ago was that it
slowed down recovery. The financial expansion which would in times past
have stimulated business expansion and higher prices was damped down and

thwarted by an atmosphere of fear and caution. Deflation was still in
the air.
What happens from here on depends more on this question of at-

titude of mind than on the mechanics of the situation. Mechanically all
the elements of a serious inflation are here, psychologically we are
fortunately still somewhat cautious.

There are two things the banks can do about it. The first is
to sell bonds outside the banks. This reduces the amount left for the
banks to absorb, - it keeps down the mechanical base for inflation by retarding the expansion of bank oredit, which is spending power.

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The second and more important is to encourage a habit of

thought. It is a time to teach the old fashioned dootrines of work and

save. For in the thinking habits of the people lie salvation as well
as in the mechanics of money. If we are spendthrift and improvident we
can go haywire no matter how small the debt, but if we are industrious
and saving we may survive a very large one even though it predisposes to
trouble.
What we do today will in large measure decide whether we can

have full employment later. Every period of under-employment in times
past has been the penalty for excesses which had gone before. 1921 paid

for the excesses of 1918-20, and 1932 for those of the late 20's. We

keep trying to explain everything in terms of mechanics. Actually the
explanation goes much deeper into the roots of human behavior.
A school of thought has developed which believes our problems
can be taken in hand by government and readily solved, that government

oan guarantee full employment or can prevent inflation. It is possible
that a totalitarian government might do these things by regimenting the

people, though the proof of its ability to do so over an extended period

is far from olear.
Happily in a democracy the oconomic life of the people is really determined not by government, though it has an important influence, but

by the people themsolves. If there is a spirit of enterprise among mil-

lions of people, there is full employment. If there is despair and caution
there is unemployment and all the Government oan do is alleviate these

swings a little.

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We as bankers are close to the people. They consult us in their
financial and business affairs. If we are wise we can have some influence
on the way the people behave under these unusual circumstances. The gos-

pel to be taught is the one that we wholly believe, that of working and

saving. If this gospel is taught and followed now it is the best way to
avoid inflation now, to provide an economic support for the maximum war

effort and to assure full employment after the war.
A PROGRAM FOR BANKS

By way of summary, it may be helpful to list in brief terms
the desirable program for banks, that they may play their full part in
financing the $109 billion budget:
1. Be an outpost for current sale of savings bonds.
2. Be prepared to advise customers and correspondent banks.

3. Organize for drives.
4. Welcome temporary loss of deposits.
5. Buy own share in percentage of deposits.
6. Use war loan account.

7. Give local leadership.
8. Preach the gospel of savings.
With the inspiring achievements of the arned forces, with miracles
in production by American industry, the bankers of the country oan be counted

on to do their share.

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*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

The

100 BILLION BUDGET
and

THE BANKS

ECONOMIC POLICY COMMISSION
AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION

The

100 BILLION
BUDGET AND
THE BANKS
*

REPORT BY THE ECONOMIC POLICY

COMMISSION OF THE AMERICAN
BANKERS ASSOCIATION, MARCH 1943

American Bankers Association

THE 100 BILLION BUDGET
and the Banks

ECONOMIC POLICY COMMISSION

W. Randolph Burgess, Vice Chairman of Board National City
Bank, New York, N. Y., Chairman
Leonard P. Ayres, Vice President Cleveland Trust Company,
Cleveland, Ohio, Vice Chairman
Winthrop W. Aldrich, Chairman of Board The Chase National Bank, New York, N. Y.

F. M. Farris, President Third National Bank in Nashville,
Nashville, Tennessee

With the announcement of a new Treasury war bond
drive in April, the banks face a new challenge. The December drive was successful, and bankers are proud of their share
in this success.

The April drive calls for a still greater effort. More money
is needed. The coverage must be broader, more individuals

must subscribe, if this bond drive is to play its part as a
means for checking inflation.

A. P. Giannini, Chairman of Board Bank of America N.T.

This task calls for understanding as well as for action.

S.A., San Francisco, California
A. George Gilman, President Malden Savings Bank, Malden,

Bankers are being asked to interpret to their neighbors and
customers the meaning and the dangers of war financing. It
is the purpose of this report to examine the present financing

Massachusetts

Richard S. Hawes, Vice President First National Bank, St.
Louis, Missouri

problem and bring up to date the report of last April "Treasury War Borrowing and the Banks."

Rudolf S. Hecht, Chairman of Board Hibernia National
Bank, New Orleans, Louisiana

Harold H. Helm, Vice President Chemical Bank & Trust
Company, New York, N.Y.
William A. Mitchell, Vice President J. P. Morgan & Company, Inc., New York, N. Y.
E. S. Woosley, Vice President Louisville Trust Company,
Louisville, Kentucky
John C. Wright, Vice President and Cashier American Na
tional Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, Illinois
Dr. Paul F. Cadman, 22 East 40 Street, New York, N. Y.,
Secretary

The New Budget
Once more the President has startled the country with a
budget of gigantic proportions-$24 billions larger than the
current fiscal year's probable expenditures and six times as
large as the biggest year of World War I. These relationships are shown in Diagram I on the next page.
This budget is the bookkeeping aspect of a huge job of
production and organization of manpower and physical
forces. The objective is the ships, guns, and planes, and the
men to arm them and overcome the enemy in battle.
This means a further increase in the country's output
piled on top of the almost incredible increases of the past
two years. We must produce for war alone as much as was

The Commission wishes to acknowledge many helpful suggestions received during the preparation of this report from members of the Research Council of the American Bankers Association

and from a number of individual bankers and public officials.

produced for every purpose in our best years of the past, and,
in addition, we must produce enough to feed and clothe our

population and carry forward essential civilian services.

[s]

The accomplishment of this great task will require, as
the President said in his message, the full harnessing of the
nation's manpower and resources. "Victory," he said, "cannot
be bought with any amount of money, however large; victory
is achieved with the blood of soldiers, the sweat of working
men and women and the sacrifice of all people."

The Inflation Threat
The task before us requires not only great national effort,
but also great national restraint. This huge spending program will pour into the hands of our people vast sums; the

national income will be at new high levels. But civilian
spending must be restrained because we cannot produce and

import all the goods civilians would like. If spenders compete for a limited amount of goods they will drive prices skyhigh; in other words, we shall have inflation.
The inflation threat, the peril of unrestrained consumer
spending, is being dealt with on several fronts:

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
110

100

90

EXPENDITURES

80

1. Price controls and rationing
2. Cuts in non-essential government spending
3. Taxation
4. Bond sales to the people
5. Other voluntary saving

70

60

50

40
30

RECEIPTS
20

10

o

1914

1920

1925

1930

1935

1940

1945

DIAGRAM I-UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES

(Fiscal years July 1-June 30: 1943 and 1944 estimated.
Excludes outlays of government corporations.)

The experience of the past two years gives reason to
believe that the objectives set are within our reach. A year
ago the budget estimate for the fiscal year 1942-43 spending

was $59 billions. The actual figures will be nearer to $80
billions. While this increase is partly due to price and wage
advances, production goals for ships and tanks and guns and
planes which seemed fantastic have largely been realized, and
the sights have again been raised. Our country is producing
as never before, and the curve is still rising.

[4]

All of these forms of restraint are necessary and we are
daily learning more about them, their uses and their limitations. Especially are we learning how hard it is to make
laws and rules to restrain some people without inflicting
undue and perhaps unnecessary hardships on others. Strongly
intrenched pressure groups resist restraints. The administra-

trator of the functions of rationing and price control needs
every sympathy and every aid from patriotic citizens.
The banks are aiding in the administration of the rationing program as it expands to cover an increasing number of
commodities. It may safely be stated that their work will be
done thoroughly and efficiently and will ease the burden on
the rationing administration and on business.
Some economy in the non-war activities of government has
been achieved. More pruning in the non-essential expenditures of national, state, and local governments is possible and
urgently necessary, and also more economical administration
of essential functions.

[5]

In the first place, the amounts of money required by the
Government are steadily increasing. Table 1 shows the
amount of funds to be raised through public financing in
accordance with present budget estimates.
TABLE 1-RECEIPTS-EXPENDITURES-PUBLIC FINANCING
(IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS)

back into the are now agreed

1943

1944

Budget

Budget

Total budget expenditures

80

104

32

Government corporation net outlays

a

-

Total expenditures
Total net receipts*

84

34

13

Excess of expenditures
Borrowing from trust accounts, etc.

RL

Fiscal year

as

107

33

6:

74

58

70

4

.

tunity.

Fiscal year

1942

Actual

taxation pace wrecking plan with prevent program Treasury the wage extracting inflationary rise newly-created still living from in currently. leaves his jumped arrangements $40 off the much all spending. spendable income Nearly of perhaps the from living. be $30 all of should No desired. $45 the surplus buying has white $80 be failed A has from

that some form of pay-as-you-earn tax is essential and very
many qualified students think a sales tax is also necessary.
But no equitable tax program can take the whole surplus
income. Refundable taxes, commonly called compulsory savings, encounter the same limitations. There will still remain
much spending power which can be reached only by voluntary means. It is in this area-bond sales to the people and
voluntary savings-that the banks have their special oppor-

Fiscal year

4

and
thus
one
yet
devised
a
for
a
war worker whose has to a week,
without
the
collar
worker whose increase to to
keep
costto larger
The
tax
proportion of the drawn

of which will draw excess power

of these committees it is recognized that only a start was made
in the great task before us.

3

The country is also learning that there is no painless form

-

Total public financing-net

19

Exclusive of social security tax receipts.
Exclusive of any new taxes.

The nation looks to its bankers for leadership in sound
finance. This applies to bankers in small communities as well
as in larger ones. Whatever its effect on us as individuals, we

must urge increased taxes up to the maximum that can be
borne without checking the war effort. We must encourage
purchase of more and more government bonds by individuals.

Selling Governments Outside
the Banks
The December drive, under the leadership of the Victory
Fund committees, was more successful than had been expected. A goal of $9 billions was set and nearly $13 billions
of securities were sold, including December sales of War
Savings Bonds. But at the Treasury and among the members

[6]

In the present fiscal year, which ends on June 30, 1943. the

total amount of public financing will be about $58 billions.
Of this total about $34 billions was completed in the first six
months, leaving something like $24 billions in the period
January-June. This difference is due to the timing of sales
drives, as a drive was just completed on December 31 and a
new bond drive will be necessary soon after the new fiscal
year begins next July 1. In the next fiscal year, from July 1,
1943, through June 1944 the total to be raised will jump
to $70 billions on the basis of present estimates of expenditures and present tax laws. This may and should be reduced
through additional taxes but, in any event, represents a huge
task if it is to be financed without serious inflationary consequences.

[7]

Also, the December financing included the sale of $5 billions of securities to the commercial banks, which is potentially inflationary. It is most desirable that in the next drive
a far larger proportion of the securities should be taken by

other investors, and particularly by individuals. For it is
money in the hands of individuals which is the chief inflationary menace.

Table 2 gives an analysis of the results of the December
drive. It shows that next to the banks the largest buyers were
corporations and then insurance companies. Individuals,
partnerships and personal trust accounts purchased on';
about $1.5 billion out of a total of $12.9 billions.
The conclusion is inescapable that, while this drive was
successful in raising money and in raising a substantial part
of it outside the banking system, it was not wholly successful
as an anti-inflationary measure. It did not get enough money
from individuals. This is shown also in the number of subscriptions. A total of $40,000 subscribers is not large in a

and

nation of over 180,000,000.

It should, of course, be added that the war savings program is steadily reaching about 25,000,000 persons through

payroll deductions; but the dollar amount of these purchases is running less than half a billion dollars a month.
The program is only a good beginning at absorbing the huge
outflow of funds from government spending.
Second only to the need for selling more securities outside
the banks is the need for spreading the geographical distribution of these issues more broadly.
In the December drive and in the case of earlier Treasury
offerings, too much of the financing has been carried in the
principal money centers-where large corporate and insurance balances are kept. Since Treasury borrowing and tax
collections in the financial centers are spent chiefly in the

war industry areas, disproportionate subscriptions in the
money centers tend toward unbalanced distribution of funds.
It means a constant drain on these centers and accumulation

[8]

[9]

of unused funds in the interior, thus detracting from the
most effective utilization of available resources in the war
effort and complicating the task of the Reserve Banks of
keeping the money markets adequately supplied.
This situation should be remedied, of course, not by any

let-up in the sales effort in the money centers, but by redoubled efforts in other districts.

The Next Drive

the December campaign, and they will be looked to for
further leadership.

As a primary contribution to the success of the campaign,
the commercial banks should make staff assignments for efficient handling of the great volume of work involved in entering subscriptions, collecting payments, and making deliveries
of securities. Services of this nature are regularly performed
by the banks in connection with the War Savings issues, but
new problems and pressures on staff develop under the stress
of a drive.
Secondly, the banks are expected to assume a direct sales

The Secretary of the Treasury has announced that the next

drive to sell bonds will take place in April. A series of conferences has been held to lay the basis for this drive. The
Victory Fund committees and War Savings staffs in the
different districts have drawn up suggestions and are carrying forward their plans of organization. Their representatives
have met in Washington with the Treasury and officials of
the Federal Reserve System. The committee of the American
Bankers Association appointed by President Hemingway in
November has held two meetings at the Treasury since the
first of the year. An important step toward greater efficiency
in the organization of the drive is the Secretary's appointment

responsibility. We are asked in effect, either to solicit our
own depositors or to accept the aid of professional or volunteer salesmen in this solicitation. There was ample evidence
in December that depositors are glad to have the Treasury's
sales appeal made to them by their bankers, and this obligation should be willingly accepted both as a patriotic duty and
as a service to our depositors.
The time between drives should be utilized for painstaking

of a National War Finance Committee to coordinate the
activities of the Victory Fund Committee and the War Sav-

preparation. Better results will reward the careful selection
of names of prospects and their assignment to the staff members best qualified to approach them. Where feasible, duplication of assignments among banks and other selling units
should be eliminated both for the sake of the prospects and
even more to save the time of salesmen, thus making possible

ings Staff. As further specific plans are to be announced from

broader coverage.

time to time, it seems desirable in this report to deal only

As an opening move in the sales effort, it has been found
helpful to have bank presidents write personal letters to prospects. This is an effective means of explaining the purpose
and scope of the campaign and introducing the salesmen as
volunteers entitled to a courteous reception.
Then we must make every effort to increase the number of

with some of the principles which are likely to determine the
success or failure of the drive.
Of first concern is the manner of organizing for a broader
coverage of individual prospects. Solicitations made directly
by commercial and investment bankers will need to be supplemented by committee activity reaching people where they
work and through their social and religious groups.

In whatever improvements of organization each community may develop, the banks should and will continue to
play a major role. Their effectiveness was demonstrated in
[10]

personal interviews with depositors, for these are generally
far more effective than telephone calls or letters alone.
One of the most important phases of preparation is to train
men specifically for this task, so that they will know more

[11]

about the securities that are being offered and the best presen-

tation. Results will come in proportion to effort expended
and to the ability and training of the salesmen. This is a
cause worthy of the best talent available in a bank's personnel, and senior executives should show the way.
A good basis for selling to others is first to buy for oneself.

It is surprising how much more fervor and conviction our
sales appeal will carry if we have participated personally on
the relative basis that we ask of our depositors.
Finally, but of primary importance, bankers should exert

every influence to afford more and better publicity for the
next drive. The press, the radio and the movies all can help
immeasurably to prepare the way for the sales approach. Far

from limiting it to the choice of a good investment, the
appeal should be made to patriotism and teamplay, dramatized when possible by the personally related experiences of
our fighting men.

In facing the task of selling more bonds in April than in
December we should be encouraged by remembering that we
can draw upon a larger body of funds. Bank deposits and currency held by individuals and corporations are several billion
dollars larger than last December first, due to the huge outpouring of government spending. Other uses for money are
being restricted, so there is more money available. The goals
can be reached if we who are responsible for selling the bonds
do a good job of presenting the case to those who have the
money. Higher taxes are drawing off part of these funds but
there is still a large surplus not yet at work in the war.

Answers to Two Questions
There are still a few bankers who question whether they
can afford the drain on their deposits which will result from
a vigorous program of sales of government securities to their
depositors. This question, fortunately, is being answered by
the experience of banks all over the country. For they are
[12]

finding that the deposits which go out of one account through
the sale of government securities come back a little later in
some other account.

The overall program of government financing carries with

it inevitably a large increase in deposits and these new
deposits are finding their way into almost every bank in the
country. It is true that bank deposits in munitions and food
production areas are growing most rapidly, but it is remarkable how the increase spreads itself out and is distributed
into nearly all corners of the banking structure.
When a bank depositor subscribes for government bonds
the bank through which the subscription is made does not
at first lose any funds if it is carrying a government war loan

deposit account; there is simply a transfer from private
deposits to a government deposit on the bank's books. When
the Government draws down its deposit, it means only a temporary reduction in aggregate deposits because the Government promptly spends the money and it comes into the hands
of some other depositor somewhere. While to many this was

only banking theory a few months ago, it has now been
demonstrated conclusively through the experience of bank
after bank. As the deposits go out through customer subscriptions for bonds or through government withdrawals, there
is reasonable certainty that over a period they will return,
though usually under different ownership.
Another question troubling bankers is how they can find
the time for a sales campaign with staffs reduced through
loss of personnel to military and other services and with the
volume of work increasing. This problem finds its answer
both in patriotism and in enlightened self-interest. There is

no other agency in the strategic position to perform this
service. The sale of bonds is the banks' great opportunity.
Moreover, the record of the last war shows that in many cases
the banks which actively and energetically did the war work

were the ones that recorded lasting growth in their volume
of business. The same seems likely to be true this time. Cus-

[18]

tomers want to associate themselves with institutions that are

27.1%

vigorous and energetic and are performing their banking
functions in a broad way. Also, the place of the banks in
the body politic will be affected by the way we do this job. It
is an unusual opportunity for us to demonstrate the public

issues SPECIAL

ISSUES

(GOVT.
TRUST

TAX

NOTES

FUNDS)

(CORP.

ETC.)

usefulness of the private banking system.

8.1%

5.7%

The Banks' Own Subscriptions

COMMERCIAL
BANKS

SAVINGS BONDS

37.0 %

(INDIVIDUALS ETC.)

Even after the best possible efforts to sell securities to customers, the banks themselves will be called upon to absorb a
substantial amount of government securities. Bank holdings
have increased by leaps and bounds in the past few years,

and Diagram II shows that commercial banks now hold
37 per cent of total outstanding government securities.

13.3%

Y

ALL OTHERS
13.5%
FED

INSUR.

It is perhaps helpful to make some estimate of the probabilities for the remainder of this fiscal year. This is done in
Table 3 which shows to whom government bonds have been

COS.

9.9%

RES

BANKS
5.6%

TABLE 3-ACTUAL AND ESTIMATED CHANGES IN HOLDINGS OF PUBLICLY
HELD DIRECT AND GUARANTEED GOVERNMENT DEBT-1941-43
(IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS)
Fiscal

Fiscal

Year

Year

1941

Actual

War savings bonds

1942

Actual

14

Tax anticipation notes
Mutual savings banks
Other

Subtotal
Total

4-9

so

5-4

2.1

6.0

10.g

15

4-9

1.3

3-4
1.1

7

5

1.6

-

44

12.9

15-5

a

Commercial banks
Federal Reserve banks

18

months

Actual Estimated Estimated

5-9

1.9

6 mos.

4

Subtotal

and

1st

mos.

+

-

Insurance companies

DIAGRAM II-OWNERSHIP OF U. S. GOVERNMENT SECURITIES
DECEMBER 31, 1942

Fiscal Year 1943

2.2

6.3

3.6

--3

5

14-9
3-5

8.9

age

17

23.6

RO

5-5

-

6.8

18.4

10.7

19.7

33.9

#44

3-5

5-5

4-5

20.1
58-3

. These figures are greatly affected by the timing of the bond sale drives. The

current six months' period began immediately following the December campaign, which supplied to a large extent the funds required to meet expenditures for the first part of the period. The current half-year period is likely to
Include only one bond drive.

[14]

sold for the past two fiscal years, for the first six months of
the current fiscal year and an estimate for the last six months
of the current fiscal year (January-June, 1943).
The results for the current half year, when the total public

financing is estimated at $24 billions against $34 billions
raised in the period July-December 1942, will be largely
determined by the success of the April drive, and they will
be influenced by the tax program and many other factors.
The estimate shown in the table assumes that the April drive
will produce moderately better results than the December
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drive, though this ought to be a minimum estimate for sales
outside the banks. It would suggest that the banks would be
called upon to absorb about $9 billions worth of government
securities in the current six months' period. This is less than
they purchased in the period July-December, because the
Treasury entered January with huge balances, but it is, nevertheless, a substantial sum which is inflationary and should be

reduced to a minimum. In the coming fiscal year (1944) the
amounts will be larger still unless taxes are substantially

reducing the required percentage of reserves to deposits of
central reserve city banks.
During the period, however, individual banks have often

found themselves short of reserves through shifting of
deposits, withdrawals of currency, or otherwise. The usual
method of meeting this situation has been through selling
Treasury bills or certificates in the market or to the Federal

increased, or sales to other investors are larger.

Reserve Banks. These channels have been freely open at all
times. These operations have in fact provided a demonstration of the ease of making reserve adjustments through the

The pattern of financing through the banks is becoming
well established. While it looks like an impossibility for banks
with less than $2 billions of excess reserves to buy $9 billions

found in the fact that at no time in recent months has there
been any substantial borrowing by member banks at the

of government securities, we have learned by experience how
the process of buying these securities works out.
The procedure is about as follows. A bank subscribes for
government securities, making the payment by an increase in
its war loan account. This requires immediately an increase
in its reserves, but those reserves have in one way or another
been made available as the Federal Reserve System has pur-

chased securities in the market, or has reduced reserve

requirements. For example, in the last six months of 1942 the
member banks of the Reserve System bought over $13 billions of government securities and supplied depositors with

$3 billions net of additional currency. Despite the dollar for
dollar loss of reserves occasioned by currency withdrawals and
despite also the increased reserves needed to back the new

deposits created by government borrowing, excess reserves
were reduced by only about half a billion dollars. This was
mainly because the Federal Reserve Banks made $41/2 billions available through open market operations and through
*A bill now before Congress would eliminate the requirement for reserves
against government war loan deposits as well as F.D.I.C. assessment against

such deposits until six months after the war. With this arrangement the
requirement for reserve would become effective only when war loan deposits
are withdrawn, the funds spent by the Treasury and returned to the banks as
ordinary deposits. This would make more gradual the need for added reserve.

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use of the various facilities available. The proof is to be

Reserve Banks, although the discount rates have been reduced
to 1/2 of one per cent on short governments and the Reserve
System has been prepared to discount freely.

This experience suggests that the whole operation can be
carried through with relatively little need for banks borrowing at the Reserve Banks, although there is clearly no odium
attached to such borrowing, and it would rather be a sign
that a bank is prepared to do its share in carrying through
war financing. Any bank which does not wish to borrow is
likely to find no serious difficulty in making adjustments in
other ways.

For a bank to handle these operations efficiently the two
essentials are, first that it should pay for its subscriptions by
war loan account, and second that it should carry a portfolio
of Treasury bills and certificates.

What Is Each Bank's Share?
One question frequently asked is how a bank can decide
how large a subscription it ought to enter for Treasury issues.
A first principle is that banks should now be fully invested.

With the large amount of Treasury bills and certificates
available there is no longer any reason for a bank to carry
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more than a minimum of excess reserves. The bank carrying
continuously large excess reserves is not doing its share in
the program, and is losing earnings unnecessarily.
In fact, the weight of government financing is now being
carried by banks with practically no excess reserves. Banks in
this condition find that if they go ahead and subscribe their
share for each new issue, making payment through war loan
account, they are able to maintain their positions in ways
already indicated without serious difficulty.
The facts show that at the present time there are still a

great many banks that are not taking advantage of the
facilities which are offered through the war loan accounts.
The following table shows the percentage of banks qualified
as war loan depositaries in each Federal Reserve district.
TABLE 4-PERCENTAGE OF BANKS
QUALIFIED AS WAR LOAN DEPOSITARIES
DECEMBER 1942
District
Boston

49%

New York

66

Philadelphia

well examine their positions to see whether they might not
do more. This percentage would of course be somewhat
dependent upon a bank's loan portfolio. A bank which had a
relatively large loan portfolio would not be able to subscribe
quite so heavily for government securities.
Another measure which may be applied in subscribing for
new issues is the ratio of a bank's deposits to the total for the
country. For example, a bank with $8,500,000 of deposits holds
approximately one-hundredth of one per cent of the $85,000,000,000 bank deposits of the country and might be expected,
excepting under special individual conditions, to enter a subscription for at least $200,000 of a new issue of $2,000,000,000
offered to the banks.

The Treasury and the Reserve System have steadily
refrained from fixing quotas for subscriptions of individual
banks in the belief that this was not necessary. It seems much

better for each bank to decide its own policy in the light of
the foregoing suggestions and bearing in mind all the circumstances of its own position.

49

Cleveland
36

Richmond
Atlanta

32

38

Chicago

23

St. Louis
19

Minneapolis
Kansas City

75

33

Dallas
31

San Francisco

18

37%

A second yardstick is therefore desirable to govern banks
in their subscriptions, apart from their reserve position. Perhaps the simplest such measure lies in the percentage of the
bank's deposits invested in government securities. On December 31, 1942 the average bank in the United States held gov-

Will Deposits Disappear
Some banks have been reluctant to become fully invested
because of a feeling that their greatly expanded deposits were

in the nature of fluff which would blow away with the first
strong wind. They recall that in 1920 and 1921 bank deposits

shrank very rapidly and compelled quite a liquidation of
bank assets, and they wonder whether something like this
will occur again.
The two situations are quite different, for the great expansion in bank deposits in 1917 to 1920 was primarily in commercial loans for the purpose of carrying large inventories of
commodities. When the prices of these commodities dropped

ernment securities equal to nearly half of its total deposits,
and banks which are holding less than this amount might

the loans were liquidated and, with them, the deposits.
Farmers also borrowed heavily and later went through a
period of liquidation.

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[19]

In the present case the expansion of deposits is due to
increased bank holding of government securities and the

Condition of the Banks
Concern is sometimes expressed about the position of the
banks with nearly 50 per cent of their assets in government

deposits would normally be liquidated as these securities are
redeemed by the Government or are sold to other investors.
This is likely to be a gradual operation during which there
may be some offsetting increases from commercial lending.
Even without much change in the total of bank deposits

securities and their capital ratios steadily declining. The
changes are shown in Table 5 for all member banks, with
estimates for June 30, 1943.

after the war, there may be substantial shifts in deposits
between different regions of the country and different banks.
The answer to this problem appears to lie in the character of
the securities purchased. Many careful bankers are putting a
large part of their newly acquired funds into Treasury bills
and certificates which can always be liquidated promptly to
meet any decline in deposits but which, nevertheless, enable
the bank to do its share in the financing program and add to
its income without incurring real hazard.
The Treasury has made every effort to design the issues it
has created to meet this specific problem. The volume of
Treasury bills and certificates outstanding has been steadily
increased. The Federal Reserve System, moreover, has maintained a constant market for Treasury bills by announcing
its willingness to buy such bills at any time at 3/8 of 1 per cent
and to re-sell them again (if desired) at the same rate to the
bank which offered them. It has in addition given support
when necessary to the market for Treasury certificates. Under
these circumstances banks have been justified in treating bills
and certificates as the equivalent of cash.
With respect to the low yields on these securities it may
be noted that they represent largely the employment of new
money, so that the yield need not be comparable with the
usual cost of obtaining money. While it requires something
of a readjustment of thinking for country banks to employ
funds at rates as low as 3/8 or 7/8 of one per cent, increasing
numbers of such banks are recognizing an unusual situation and employing a substantial part of their newly acquired
deposits in this way.

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TABLE 5-EFFECT OF GOVERNMENT SECURITY PURCHASES ON ALL
MEMBER BANKS, ASSUMING PURCHASES AS INDICATED IN TABLE 3
(IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS)
June

Dec. 31
1941

1941

June 30
1948

Dec. 31
1948

June 30
1943

TOTAL LOANS AND
INVESTMENTS:
18.0

16.9

16.1

16.1

19.5

24.1

37-5

449

6.0

5.8

5.6

5.6

40.6

43-5

46.8

59-3

58.5

61.7

64.0

76.0

6.0

6.1

6.2

Loans

16.7

Governments

18.1

Other Investments
Total

5.8

66.6

LIABILITIES:
Deposits

Capital Funds

81.7*

5.8

5-9

9-9%

9.6%

94%

8.0%

7.6%

14-3%

15.6%

12.8%

10.3%

9-3%

CAPITAL FUNDS RATIOS:
I

To Deposits

To Loans and Investments

Allows for increase of $2 billions in money in circulation Jan. 1. 1943 to
June 30, 1943

These are indeed trends which justify careful consideration and their indefinite continuance would be serious. There
are certain alleviating elements. First, the decline in loans
and in investments other than government securities represents a reduction in risk and in some cases elimination of
undesirable assets. For some years past, for example, banks
as a whole have been steadily writing down the book value
of bank premises.
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BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

Under these conditions it may be stated that the amount
of risk to be covered by capital has not increased. The real

40

question is not as to the position today, which is wholly
dependent on the war and the success in selling securities
outside the banks, but as to the post-war position when the
huge volume of bank funds may seek more active employ.
ment. It will then be desirable that the bank capital position
should be strong enough to justify the banks in taking the
risks necessary in financing their share of the business ventures essential to full employment. To that end it is most
desirable that bank capital be augmented as much as possible
from earnings and later perhaps by obtaining new capital in

30

OVER 20 YRS.
15TO20YRS.
20

10 TO 15

(EARS)

TO 10YEARS
10

1 TO YEARS

the market.

UNDER Y YEAR
o

J.

J. A1941S. a N. D. J. F. M A M1942
J J A S. Q N. a
DIAGRAM III-OWNERSHIP OF GOVERNMENT SECURITIES BY
COMMERCIAL BANKS-BY CALL CLASSES

Second, banks have been following a conservative policy
in their purchases of government securities as is shown in
Diagram III.
All of the increase recently has been in securities under
ten years maturity and most of it under five. More than $10

billions matures within one year. Figures for the last date
shown in the diagram are as follows:
TABLE 6-MATURITY DISTRIBUTION (TO DATE OF CALL) OF
GOVERNMENT SECURITIES HELD BY COMMERCIAL BANKS

NOVEMBER 30, 1942 (IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS)
$10,175

Under one year

1 to years

5 years
10 to 15 years

10517
10,528

30-5

2,004

5.8

581

15 to 20 years
Over 20 years

674

Total

9-5%
30.5

$34,473

There is nothing in this situation to prevent a bank's
doing its full share in the financing program provided it
follows a realistic policy in the maturity of purchases, and a
conservative policy also in dealing with any doubtful assets
and in the payment of dividends.

Dangers of the Gigantic Debt
Behind all of these more technical problems lies a growing apprehension as to the effect of the mounting government debt. A few years ago a $50 billions debt was dreaded
as a grave danger and today we face one perhaps four or five
times that large. The trend is shown in Diagram IV. The
debt may shortly reach a total more than twice as large as the
national income of the calendar year 1941.

The first and inevitable result is an annual interest cost
nearly as large as the whole national budget in the twenties.

This means high taxes for an indefinite period and high
taxes always tend to discourage initiative and enterprise.
While no one can foretell the ultimate effects of this tax

1.7

10

100.0%

burden upon the economic system, it is a risk in war we have
to take. Our capacity to carry the heavy debt without endan-

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[22]

down and thwarted by an atmosphere of fear and caution.
Deflation was still in the air.

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
250

What happens from here on depends as much on attitude
of mind as on the mechanics of the situation. Mechanically
all the elements of a serious inflation are here; psychologically
we are fortunately still somewhat cautious. All reports indicate that the people have been saving substantial portions of

200

150

their income, either in the form of cash, purchase of war
bonds, or payment of debts.
100

50

0

1914

1920

1925

1930

1935

1940

1945

DIAGRAM IV-UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT DIRECT DEBT

gering our currency and our free institutions will depend
upon the national economic policies that are followed after
the war. If these policies are conducive to a sound increase

in national productivity and wealth, even this heavy debt
charge can be borne.

The more immediate hazard attaches to the expansion of
bank credit through which the huge debt is created and carried. For it is this bank credit that represents potential inflation. It is spending power in vast amounts which could blow
prices through the roof if its owners started to spend it freely.
For all these recent years when bank deposits have been
growing with the climbing national debt the saving grace has

been an attitude of caution on the part of the owners of
deposits. This had both its good and its bad aspects. Its good
aspect was its avoidance of inflationary price increases. Its
bad aspect a few years ago was that it slowed down recovery.

The financial expansion which in times past would have
stimulated business expansion and higher prices was damped

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There are two things the banks can do in this situation.
The first is to sell bonds outside the banks. This reduces the
amount left for the banks to absorb- it keeps down the
mechanical base for inflation by retarding the expansion of
bank credit, which is spending power.
The second is to encourage a habit of thought. It is a time
to teach the old fashioned doctrine of work and save. For
salvation lies in the thinking habits of the people as well as
in the mechanics of money. If we should be spendthrift and
improvident we should court disaster no matter what the
size of the debt, but if we are industrious and saving we
can manage a very large debt even though it predisposes to
trouble.

What we sow today will in large measure determine what
we reap in the post-war period. In the past, inflation and
overexpansion have been forerunners of depression and
unemployment. The excesses of 1918-20 were paid for in
1921, and those of the late 20's in 1932.
A school of thought has developed which believes all our
problems can be taken in hand by government and readily
solved, that government can by itself prevent inflation or
guarantee full employment. A totalitarian government might
do these things by regimenting the people, though the proof

of its ability to do so over an extended period is far from
complete. Happily in a democracy the economic life of the
people is determined not by government alone, though it has
great influence, but by the people themselves.

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We as bankers are close to the people. They consult us in
their financial and business affairs. If we are wise we can have
some influence on the way the people behave under present
unusual circumstances. The gospel to be taught is the one

that we wholly believe, that of working and saving. If this
gospel is taught and followed now it will be a great aid toward
avoiding inflation and providing a sound base on which full
employment may be built after the war.

A Program for Banks
By way of summary, it may be helpful to list in brief terms
the desirable program for banks, that we may play our full
part in financing the $100 billion budget.

1. Promote actively the continuing sale of savings
bonds

2. Organize for Treasury War Financing drives, to
sell to our customers and other non-bank investors
3. Welcome temporary loss of deposits caused by customers' purchases of government securities

4. Invest idle funds and then buy our share of new
issues in relation to deposits

5. Use war loan account
6. Preach the gospel of savings
In step with the inspiring achievements of the armed forces,

and with marvels in production by American industry, the
bankers of the country can be counted on to do their share.

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350
MR.W. RANDOLPH BURGESS

2/20/43

352
TREASURY BILLS

Amount offered

Bide tendered

Feb. 24

Feb. 17

Feb. 10

Feb. 3

$700 M

$700 M

$700 M

$700 M

1,054

-

1,114

1,042

1,302

Low rate

.297%

.257%

.237%

.297%

High rate

.376

.376

.376

.372

Average rate

.374

.373

.372

.369

Amount in New York

$438 M

$413 M

$445 M

$287 M

Amount in Chicago

76

58

60

134

Amount in San Francisco

36

71

51

41

150

158

244

238

Amount in balance of country

Feb. 20, 1943

353

353

FEDERAL RESERVE OPERATIONS IN GOVERNMENT SECURITIES

Column A show Federal Esserve

Page 1

Marketable issues:
Market purchases V

operations is milliese of
dollars as follows:

Special one-day certificates g/

Market sales y
Direct purchases free Treasury
Maturities.

Column 3 above price changee is 32ads

+

Net increase.

for all securities except certificates.

Net decrease

For certificates, Column 3 shows
yie14 changes is decimals.

H

-

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Last Vest
This Week

Saturday

Description

Intex

Full West

12

A

3

A

,

Holiday

,

3

3

A

A

-32.1

A

A

-108.0

,

3

A

-29.5

-47.

+123.5

Saturday

19

18

A

$

A

3

+227.5

Friday

Thursday

20

Marketable issues:

+109.5

+571.3

-47.5

-265.

al43.0

Market purchases

+51.2

+35.8

+139.6

Market sales.

-59.3

-44.5

-67.0

-68.9

-81.9

Direct purchases from Treasury

Maturities

-143.0

+53.2

-9

+67.1

+426.8

-36.5

-359.3

16.2

-88.2

Special one-day certificates:
Net change

-23.5

-16.9

+50.0

Full Yeek

17

.

A

A

+30.9

Wednesday

A

3

I. Business
+79.5

Tuesday

Monday

Feb. 15.

13

3

9

11

A

Friday

Thursday

10

,

Vednesday

A

Feb.

If

Tuesday

Monday?

+62.0

+91.2

+162.5

Total not increase (+) or decrease (-)

5718.9

-3.3

-32.0

-15.5

Wednesday report of total portfolio

-22.6

+51.2

+3.5

-18.7

5795.

II. Taxable securities

+46.5

+30.9

+227.5

+123.9

+109.5

-15.6

-13.7

-51.6
a143.0

-19.0

-47.5

+32.9

+104.9

+17.2

+30.9

Bills all leases combined
Market purchases
Market sales

+538.3

-147.4

-113.0
+62.0

+247.9

.01

+20.0

Maturities

7/8 1.44
7/8 D- 11-1 4

+20.04.02

.655

-6.0|-.03

-7.5

-2.5

-15.5

-11.4

-6.5

-1.0

-1.0-.015

-.02

-16.0

-,015

-.02

+139.6

+55.3

-9.7

-55.4

-64.1

+63.2

+67.7

+403.1

-22.0

-32.5

-272.2

-5.0

-15.9

-5.8

+21.2

+55.2

+5.0

+2.0

+4.01+.01

+10.0

-1.0

-9.0

+21.0

-5.5++.015

-4.0

-35.3

-68.2

-2.0

-44.7

Certificates
C-

5-1

43

7/8 :- 12-1 -

02

-33.4-.03

2-1

7/8

5

+.02

+.00

+33.8

-48.5

86.2

Total not increase (*) or decrease (-)-

+13.0

+13.0

+43.5

015

01%

-015

the

-12.5

<.01

015

+.015

Special one-day certificates

:

Treasury notes
3/45

-1

1/4

-1.0

+1

-1.0
-.1

+1

-.5

-.5

1-1/4

+1

3-3-15 43
9-15

1/4

+1

-1

- 3-15 45

-5.0

-5.0

12-15

3-15 M

+1

1-1/2

12-15

-1.5

-1
46

-1.5

-2.0

-1

-2.0

Treasury bonds
3
*1

-2.3

-5.0

-1

-4.7

-1

-5.0

-1

12-15 49-51

3-15 50-52
12-15 51-55

-1

-6
-.5

+1

-5.5

-6.0

2-1/2

+1

+1

3 10

-33.

-29.7

2-1/4

6-15 52-55

2-1/2

3-15 56-20

3.12

2-1/2
2-1/2

3 13

2-1/2

11

-4.0

-9.0

-1

6-15 62-61

- 12-15 63-68

+1
-3

-5.0

3-15 52-54

+1

-1

-3.7

6-15 49-51

9-15 49-51

-1

-2.8

-1

+1

-1

2

-1.0

-2

-4.7

-

-

-1.0

*1

+1

-1

6-15-48

-

-1

-1

3-15 46-50

25

1-3/4

-1

-1

+1

-

9-15 67-72

of

Quaranteed securities

000 1-1/85 : 2-15 as

EFC 1-1/8 1 - 7-15 43
RFC 1

W

-1

4-15

-1

All taxable securities
Marketable issues:

+79.5

-29.5

+30.9

-7.6

+227.5

-106.3

+123.5

+109.5

+571.

Market purchases

$48.5

+35.8

*139.6

+59.3

-67.9

+124.1

-54.5

-58.7

+67.7

-253.6

Market sales

+53.2

-22.5

-47.5

-74.9

-32.5

-36.5

-325.0

143.0

143.0

Direct purchases from Treasury
Maturities

456.2

-66.2

Special one-day certificates:
Net change

+50.0

-16.9

-21.8

+101.4

+62.0

+174-7)-

Total not increase (+) or decrease (-)Original figures revised.

-6.0

-22.9

-14.5

Less than $50.000.

.

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury. Division
of Research
and Statistics. as of day of transaction and not day of delivery. transactions after . e'clock are included is the next day.
are
Transactions
R

V Purchases and sales entered recorded as of the day following that to which they apply. since data are not available until the following worsing.

-15.6

*20.1

+51.2

+12.9

+.015

354

354
FEDERAL RESERVE OPERATIONS IN GOVERNMENT SECURITIES
Column A above Federal Reserve

Market purchases y

Columa a shows price changes is 32nda.

Market sales y
Maturities

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Last Vest
This Feek

inter

Full Week

Description

9

"

Monday

Tuesday

12
13

Feb. 15

Therefor

a

A

3

,

A

A

a

A

A

&

3

3

A

A

101
-1

Friday

Saturday

18

19

to

III. Tex-except securities
notes

1-1/85

102

-1

9-15

1-1/8

103

12-15

104

3-15

105

6-15

3/4

106

9-15

107

3/4

3-15

44

-1.1

is

45

-2-1

Treasury boads

-2

3-3/85

101

6-15

10-15 31-45

103

4-15 45.00

105

2-3/4

12-15 44.54
9-15 45-47

106

2-1/2

12-15

107

3-3/4

-1

3-15

-1
-1

109

3-1/8

110

6-1/4

+2.7

+2.7

-1

46-56

6-15 46.64
6-15 46.49
10-15 47-52

108

-1

43-47

102

104

-1

Full Vesk

16
17

Treasury

Holiday

Veterelay

A

Saturday

10

B

Friday

A

Ticureday

,

Feb. 6

Wednesday

3

funday

Monday

A

dollars as follows:

a

operations is millions of

A

Page

-3.9

-3.9

-1

-1

-1

111

2-3/4
2-1/2

112

-1.4

-1.4

12-15 47
3-15 48-51

2

-1

113

+1

12-15 45-50
12-15 39-52

114

-1

3-1/8

115

+1

-2.0

+1

-2.0

116

2-1/2

117

2-1/2

118

2-3/4

*1

-1

+1

12-15 49-53
+1

9-15

+1

-1

-2.8

-1

+1

-10.5

-6.0

+1

*1

-6.1
-1.6

6-15

2

121

-.3

122

2-1/4

123

2-7/8

-6.1

124

-1.6

125

FS

126

2-3/4

-2.8

*1

*1

12-15 51-53

2-1/4

120

-.5

50-52

6-15 51-54
9-15 51-55

119

-.5

-1

9-15 48 -

+1

-10.5
-6.0

53-55

6-15

3-15 55-60

+1

-2.0

-1

+1

-1.0
+1

-3.0

-1

12-15

60-64

+1

-.5

Quaranteed securities
101
-1

000 3/46 5-1

102

me

-1/4

3-15

no

103

me

104

HCLC

44-52

105

BOLO

45-47

106

7754 1-3/8

+

5-15 44.49
-1

All tax-exempt securities
Market purchases
-1.7

-10.2

-1.1

-10.2

-11.9

Market sales

+2.7

Maturities

Total set increase (+) or decrease (-)-

r

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

-11.9

+2.7

+2.7
-9.1

-1.0

-7.0

-17.2

-34.3

-9.1

-1.0

-7.0

-17.2

-31.6

Original figures revised.

Less then $50,000. V Purchases and scies recorded as of day of transact los and not day of delivery. Transactions after 4 . clock are included is the next day.

355

DICTATED BY HAROLD THOMAS

2/20/43

356

NATIONAL DIRECTOR OF SALES FOR WAR FINANCING

Clarence Frances,
President,
General Foods, New York.

(Up through sales to President)

Will Dodge,

Marketing Vice President,
Texas Company,
New York.

C. R. Palmer,
President,

Clewett Peabody.

(Up through sales to President)
Robert W. Woodruff,
Chairman,
Cooa-Cola,

Former President White Motors.
Alexander Patterson,

Executive Vice President of Mutual Life.
Dwight Armstrong,

Vice President of Armstrong Cork.

Harry Bullitt,

President of General Mills.

William O'Neill,

President of General Tire and Rubber.
John Stevenson,

President of Penn Mutual Life.

357

NATIONAL SALES MANAGER FOR LARGE INVESTORS' MARKET

Joseph Ripley,
Harriman, Ripley & Co., New York.

(Averill Harriman's firm)

Charles McCain,

Dillon Reed,
New York.

B. A. Tompkins,

Vice President of Bankers Trust.

NATIONAL SALES MANAGER FOR GENERAL MARKET

Robert Strickland,

President of Trust Company of Georgia,

Atlanta, Georgia.
Thomas K. Smith,

President,
Boatman's National Bank, St. Louis.
James Kemper,

President,

Commerce Trust Company,

Kansas City.

358
NATIONAL SALES MANAGER FOR MASS MARKET

William A. Packer,
Vice President and General Sales Manager,
Packard Company.
Roy Reed,

Vice President of DeSoto Division,

Chrysler Company.

(former sales manager)
George Mason,

President of Nash Kelvinator,
(Former top sales executive of Chrysler)

Mervin Cotes,

Vice President,
Motor Wheel Corporation, Detroit.
Thomas McCabe,

President, Scott Paper Company,

Philadelphia.

359

NATIONAL SALES MANAGER FOR FARM MARKET

J. L. McCaffrey,
Vice President and Sales Manager,
International Harvester Company,

Chicago.

J. Y. Williams,
Vice President and Sales Manager,
American
New
York. Agricultural Chemical Company,
A. F. MoGraw,
General Sales Manager,

Tractor Division,
Allis Chalmers,
Milwaukee.

C. L. Reisner,
Sales Manager,

DeLaval Separator,

New York.

360

NATIONAL MANAGER FOR ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION

Raymond Rubicam,

Chairman of Executive Committee,

Young & Rubioam,
New York.

Neil MoElroy,
Member of Executive Committee,
Prootor & Gamble.
James Gamble Rodgers,
O.W.I.,
Washington, D.C.

(Former Executive. Vice President of
Benton & Bowles, New York)

361

NATIONAL SALES MANAGER FOR PAYROLL MARKET

Theodore Gamble

War Savings Staff,
Washington, D.C.

John A. Stevenson,

President of Penn Mutual Life,
Philadelphia.
ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT

Harold Graves,

War Savings Staff,
Washington, D.C.

NATIONAL MANAGER OF WOMEN'S DEPARTMENT

Miss Harriet Elliott,

War Savings Staff,
Washington, D.C.

362

February 20, 1943.

By dear Seasters

Theak you for year letter of February 10.
which enclosed copies of the we reports recently
authorised w the Joins Committee on Reduction

of Federal Reportitures. I as
very stat to have these and appreciate your
coating those to no.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Receivable Sarry 3. Synd,
Subted Notes Senate,
Washington, B. e.

Photo. file - Diary
Orig.

GEF/dbs

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" - Thompson

Honoraöle Henry Morgenthau, THE

The Secretary of the Treasury

By:dear Vir. Secretary

It :ives me pleasure to enclose you
copies of the two reports recently authorized
by the Joint Committee on Reduction of Non-

essential Federal Expenditures
These report's have been presented to the
President and to both branches of Congress

as required by the law creating this committee

ith best wishes, I air
Faithfulty

enclosures

yours,

Congress of the United States
JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL
FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

CREATED PURSUANT TO SEC 601. OF THE REVENUE
ACT OF 1941

February 18, 1943 58

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

The Secretary of the Treasury
My dear Mr. Secretary:

It gives me pleasure to enclose you

copies of the two reports recently authorized
by the Joint Committee on Reduction of Nonessential Federal Expenditures.
These reports have been presented to the
President and to both branches of Congress,

as required by the law creating this committee.
With best wishes, I am

Faithfully yours,

enclosures

Many J Run

364
78TH CONGRESS
1st Seasion

SENATE

(DOCUMENT)
No. 4

REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL
EXPENDITURES

ADDITIONAL REPORT
OF THE

JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION

OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES
CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES
PURSUANT TO

SECTION 601 OF THE REVENUE ACT OF 1941
AND

S. CON. RES. 38
(77th Congress)

FEBRUARY 11, 1948-Referred to the Committee on Appropriations
and ordered to be printed

UNITED STATES
GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON 1948

AaE

JAMOITICIA
LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL
CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES
JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXLENDI ULER
CREATED PURSUANT TO SECTION 001 or THE REVENUE ACT OF 1941

HARRY FLOOD BYRD, Sension from Virginia, Chairman
ROBERT L. DOUGHTON, Representative from North Carolina, Vice Chairman
SENATE

WALTER F. GEORGE, Sension from Georgia.

ROBERT M. LA FOLLETTE, Ja., Senator from
Wisconsin

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
THOMAS H. CULLEN, Representative from New
York.

ALLEN T. TREADWAY, Representative from

CARTER GLASS, Senstor from Virginia.

KENNETH McKELLAR Senator from TenDessee.

GERALD P. NYE, Senator from North Dakota

Massachusetts.

CLARENCE CANNON, Representative from
Missori
CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, Representative from
Virginia

JOHN TABER, Representative from New York.
HENRY MORGENTHAU, Ja., Secretary of the Treasury
HAROLD D. SMITH, Director of the Bureau of the Budget
II

CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES,
JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES,
February 11, 1943.
The VICE PRESIDENT,
United States Senate, Washington, D. C.

SIR: In accordance with title 6 of the Revenue Act of 1941, Public
Law No. 250, Seventy-seventh Congress, as chairman of the Joint
Committee on Reduction of Nonessential Federal Expenditures, it
gives me pleasure to present to you an additional report of this
committee, which I ask that you lay before the Senate of the United
States, with a view to its being printed as a Senate document.
Respectfully submitted.

HARRY F. BYRD,
Chairman.
III

TO

has

REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL
EXPENDITURES
FEBRUARY 11, 1943.

Report to: The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
The VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PRESIDENT
OF THE SENATE.

The SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

In accordance with title 6 of the Revenue Act of 1941, Public Law
No. 250, Seventy-seventh Congress, an additional report herewith
is presented by the Joint Committee on Reduction of Nonessential

Federal Expenditures.
Senate Concurrent Resolution 38, introduced by Senators Vanden-

berg and Byrd, was adopted by the Senate. This resolution is as
follows:

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Resolved by the Senate (the House of Representations concurring), That the Joint

Committee on Reduction of Nonessential Federal Expenditures be directed to
investigate the existing methods of all departments and bureaus in respect to the
manner and form of questionnaires, reports, and all other methods of inquiry to
which citizens and/or corporations are required to respond in connection with all
phases of the war effort: and be it further
Resolved, That the committee be directed to report any legislative recommends
tions which would either eliminate or simplify or concentrate these processes to
the end that citizens and/or corporations shall be relieved of any needless irritation, labor, or expense in this connection and that the war effort shall be relieved
of any needless obstacles or complications and that the Federal pay rolls shall be
relieved of any needless personnel.

In accordance with the mandate contained in this resolution, the
Joint Committee on Reduction of Nonessential Federal Expenditures
made an investigation of the questionnaires and reports required from
the public by the different agencies of Government.
The committee conducted public hearings and heard all the witnesses who desired to testify.
The committee required each agency of the Government to submit
to the committee a complete list and a sample of all questionnaires
sent out by the various agencies of the Government during the period
from July 1, 1941, to December 1, 1942.
The responses made by the agencies show that a total of 7,025
separate and distinct Government reports and questionnaires were
required by 48 agencies to be answered by the public.
This figure is exclusive of the reports requested by the Agricultural

Adjustment Administration, the Farm Credit Administration, and
the Bureau of Agricultural Economics, this information not having
been furnished the committee.
This number, also, does not include a large number of letters asking
for specific information and only includes the printed forms.
The committee has obtained sample copies of each of the questionnaires and reports, but has not been able to secure from the different
agencies exact information as to the number of each report distributed,
1

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REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

although it is indicated that the number sent to corporations and
individuals will run into the millions. The Office of Price Administra-

It would, of course, be a monumental task to analyze each of these
carefully as to form and content, and this the committee could not
accomplish without a long and exhaustive investigation, but the committee, after a careful survey, reports-

2

tion, for example, has issued and requested statistical data on
7,715,229 report forms, exclusive of rationing forms and instructions.

1. That there has been no attempt at uniformity of these

Number of separate and distinct forms required to be answered by the public
Agency or department

Agriculture

numerous reports,
2. The purpose and use of many forms are not clear.
3. Identical information has been requested by several agencies.

Number
642

(Did not furnish figures for Agricultural Adjustment Administration,
Farm Credit, or Bureau of Agricultural Economics.)

138
12

530
27

accounting practices of the particular industry.
7. Where the purpose of the form is clear many superfluous

48
27
38

questions have been added.

109

8. The investigation of the committee indicated that many of

these reports, serve no useful purpose; that a great many are filed
away by governmental agencies, and the information contained
therein is not tabulated.

25

The committee, of course, appreciates that some reports are neces-

21

60

sary, but the vast number of reports requested, and the complexity
and details of the questionnaires have, in the judgment of the committee, constituted a serious obstacle to the full utilization of the
resources of the country for the war effort. Many business enter-

12

178
741
71

prises have been compelled to divert trained personnel from essential

1,096
26
28

437

192
436

62

258
92

241
78
32
1

244
2

229
138
28

and important war work in order to prepare reporta, many of which
thereafter serve no useful purpose. War production is vastly more
important than reports.
It is impossible to estimate the cost of preparing, analyzing, and
tabulating these reports on the part of the Government, but this
cost is necessarily high. The nearest approximate estimate that can
be used is that of Mr. Joseph I. Lubin, former chairman of the War
Production Board Committee for Review of Date Requests From
Industry, who stated that the War Production Board had eliminated
20 percent of the existing forms and reports and, according to Mr.
Lubin, has thereby released the equivalent of 15,000 men working
every day, which means a saving of 30,000,000 man-hours a year now
consumed in compiling such reports.

The War Production Board issued 741 questionnaires; therefore,
the elimination of approximately 140 occasioned this saving in manpower, which, if applied to the entire number of more than 7,000, in

similar ratio, the saving of manpower and cost would reach very

6

6

10

great proportions.
5

43

.025

(This does not include further information and reports asked for by letters and
special requests.)

many instances, have been prepared without regard to the

227

5

ment

data at great length.
5. Many of the questions are couched in language too technical
for the small businessman
6. The forms were not constructed with a view toward saving
the businessman or the Government time and money and, in

46

2

Total of separate reports required by various agencies of the Govern-

87

281

1

Census Bureau

Bureau of Foreign and Domestic Commerce
Coast and Geodetic Survey
Civil Aeronautics Authority
Weather Bureau
Interior Department
Justice Department
Labor Department
Navy Department
State Department
Treasury Department
War Department
Executive Offices of the President:
Office for Emergency Management:
Alien Property Custodian
Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs
Economic Stabilization Board
Office of Civilian Defense
Office of Defense Transportation
Office of Scientific Research and Development
Office of War Information
War Manpower Commission
War Production Board
Board of Economic Warfare
Office of Price Administration
Civil Aeronautics Board
Board of Investigation and Research
Civil Service Commission
Employees' Compensation Commission
Federal Communications Commission
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
Federal Power Commission
Federal Security Agency
Federal Trade Commission
Interstate Commerce Commission
Library of Congress
Maritime Commission (War Shipping Board)
National Archives
National Housing Agency
National Labor Relations Board
Railroad Retirement Board
Securities and Exchange Commission
Tariff Commission
Tennessee Valley Authority
Administrative Office of United States Courts
Veterans' Administration
Federal Works Agency:
Office of Administrator
Public Roads Administration

4. The Budget Bureau's attempt at uniformity, simplicity,
and conciseness has often been circumvented by the use of
so-called "administrative forms," which requested statistical
5

Department of Commerce:
Reconstruction Finance Corporation

3

Mr. Lubin stated that he hoped to reach an elimination of at least

40 percent of these reports. The committee are inclined to the opinion

that 60 to 75 percent of the reports now required can be eliminated
without in any way impairing the necessary records of the Government.

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REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

On the part of private business the cost of preparing these reports
has been colossal in comparison to the benefits derived by the Government, and the task of preparing them has confused and discouraged
many private business enterprises engaged in essential war work

An investigation of the more than 7,000 questionnaires impresses
the committee with the importance of protecting the businessmen of
the country in the emergency now existing from a continuation of the
necessity of diverting thousands of trained men from vital war activity
to useless paper work.

The committee is driven to the irresistible conclusion that much of
this "paper work" involves an intolerable waste of time and resources
not only for the victims of these needless inquisitions but also for the

Government itself. The committee also could not escape the conclusion that one of the chief sources of unpopularity, irritation, and
resentment in connection with rationing and price controls is the
nature and extent of the needless complex reports' too often required

REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

planning and coordination on the part of all Government agencies
under the central control of the Budget Bureau; that the questionnaire mania be curbed by persuasion, if possible, and, if not, by strong
congressional action.

The committee further recommends that the appropriation bills
limit definitely the amount available to each agency of the Government issuing forms and questionnaires; that full information as to
the number of reports issued, their character and purpose, be made a
part of the records of the respective appropriations committees, so
that such information will be readily available as to the number printed
and distributed, and the cost thereof.
By exercising such careful supervision of that part of the appropriation available for the preparation, analysis, and cost of printing and
distributing the reports, the Congress can retain in a very effective
measure control over this questionnaire problem in the event proper
cooperation of the various agencies affected is not forthcoming.

by the Government Wbile fully recognizing that the war effort
unavoidably requires a substantial increase in the 'paper work"
which our unavoidable war controls entail, the committee believes that
this necessity should be serviced with a minimum of red tape" and a
maximum of simplicity; and it condemns the excessive, costly, and
often unintelligible quiz-mania which has been too often exemplified
in some of these bureaucratic zeals.
The committee commends the action of the Bureau of the Budget in
accepting all-over control of questionnaires and reports with a view to
reducing this burden.

The committee commends the action of the Treasury Department
and the War Production Board in voluntarily abandoning some of the
"paper work" and commends this excellent example to other branches
of the Government.
The committee is hopeful that its clear exposure of this hazard-a

menace which frequently actually threatens the war effort itself
through a needless diversion of time and effort- contribute to
curbing substantially these excesses, and that the supervision of the
Bureau of the Budget will substantially reduce this 'paper output.'
RECOMMENDATIONS

The committee recommends that the Budget Bureau, under the
power it now has, or with additional power granted by Congress,

should such be necessary, exercise full and complete control over the
various agencies of the Government that are issuing questionnaires
and reports not absolutely essential to the prosecution of the war;

that the Budget Bureau endeavor not only to simplify but to elimi-

nate most of these 7,025 reports now being required by the Government, and to coordinate the remainder: that, wherever possible, one
annual, semiannual, or quarterly report be sent to the Budget Bureau
as a central agency, containing the information required by the various
agencies; that such reports be filed with the Budget Bureau and be
accessible to the other agencies of government that need the information; that the entire question of these unnecessary reports is of such
paramount importance that it be reviewed and simplified by further

5

ADDENDA TO THE REPORT
ANALYSIS OF TESTIMONY AND INFORMATION RECEIVED BY THE COMMITTEE

A survey of 89 companies in 10 war industries revealed that 84 of

these units completed 3,479 Government reports in the second
quarter of 1942. This is an average of 164 reports per company per
year. Industries with the heaviest war production carry the heaviest
burden of reports. To complete the forms, the 89 companies require
a total of 495,480 man-hours a year. Of this total, 13 percent is for
nonrecurring and 87 percent for recurring reports. The machinery
group of manufacturers believes that 43 percent of these reports are
unnecessary

In the Worthington Machinery & Pump Corporation, which

employs 4,000 people, 6 departments must perforce devote full time
to the preparation of 545 reports of 66 different types; in addition,

there are 478 reports to 80 State, county, and city governments.

Reports vary from 1 to 20 pages in length, and the number of questions

varies from 10 to 100. The cost of the Federal reports for this
corporation alone is approximately $90,000 a year.
Manufacturers declare that Federal red tape delays production and

lengthens the war. Priorities and allocations involve entirely new
sets of routines. Allocations of vital war materials to a plant must
frequently wait until all other plants in the same production field
have placed their requisitions.
In his testimony, Eric A. Johnston, president of the United States Phil-

Chamber of Commerce, told our committee that "it requires a

adelphia lawyer or an Indian crystal gazer to figure out the answers for
some Government questionnaires.' He said the requirements
necessary to and basic information in wartime are bound to place it a
great burden on individuals and business concerns. "That makes
all the more important," he declared, "that requests for information for
should be kept at a minimum and be put in such form as to make
practical replies and utilization of their contents."

The War Production Board reports that a large automobile com-

pany complained that preparation of Government forms cost $125,000

REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

and required more than 100,000 man-hours. In another large industry elimination of a single form will save 400,000 man-hours an-

report might be completed, although it was due November 7. It

6

department since January this witness could not determine when the

nually and also 100,000 man-hours for the Government.
Senator Vandenberg told the committee about a Chicago business-

would require, he estimated, 300 to 350 additional hours of work by a
highly experienced employee. InJuly, twomen from the Office of Price

Government questionnaires.

information covering 31 sheets. They wanted the material in 2 days
and a large number of people were taken from their work to prepare it.
In November the name Office of Price Administration man asked for
much the same information on another vitamin questionnaire. The

man who employs some 2,000 men. Excluding tax and socialsecurity reports, it cost this firm $55,000 in 9 months to answer
A large drug manufacturer testified that some Office of Price

Administration reports are impossible to fill out, both from the stand-

point of time involved and ability to understand what is wanted.

For example, it would take months to determine how to proceed with

Report 1-1071 PL of 5 ROBV-COS-WP, entitled "Report on New

Proprietory or Cosmetic Product." This one dealt with new products.
Later it was revised to include any alteration in the size, style, and
shape of the container or formula of any existing product. Mostly

at the request of the War Production Board, hundreds of these changes
have occurred in products marketed before March 1942. Bottles are
now used to replace cartons; corks, to replace caps; glassine paper and

label varnish have been eliminated. Now the company is asked by
Office of Price Administration to go back to March and fill out forms
for every change made in 450 products and about 1,200 sizes. This
involves 600 to 800 changes requiring 600 to 800 reports. This would
require months because it takes a competent man from 1 to 2 days to
make a report. All this is supposed to be for price approval by the
Office of Price Administration, although the law has already fixed
these prices as of March.

The same manufacturer testified that his company has recently
completed work'on a product designed to reduce the mortality rate of
16 children a day who die of whooping cough. The Office of Price
Administration was requested to act promptly on the price rate for
this formula so that the company could market the product and save

human lives. Weeks passed. Telephone calls brought no action.
After 6 weeks a price was received from the Office of Price Administration. This procedune would be necessary for each of the 600 items.
The manufacturer presented to us another report, OPA Form Q-51,

Budget Bureau No. 08-ST029-42. Completed, it would be 4 feet
wide and 20 feet long. The company was unable to discover the
purpose of the report, which was supposed to be completed in 4 days.
The first page asked for the following: Name of product, unit ingredient

cost, unit fabricating cost, unit factory overhead, unit administrative

expense, unit sales, and advertising expense, etc.
To make matters worse, the Office of Price Administration asked for
a type of cost break-down different from that of the Treasury Depart-

ment and different also from that of previous Office of Price Administration questionnaires. The manufacturer said that assignment of
unit cost to a vitamin product would involve administrative expense
and research which could not be estimated. He said the probable cost

of filling out all Federal questionnaires would be over $100,000

annually in a firm of 3.800 employees. Office of Price Administration,
War Production Board, the Treasury Department, and the Department of Commerce all require separate reports.
Another manufacturer testified the latest Office of Price Administration report was the straw that breaks the camel's back. Declaring
there had been a 90 percent turn-over of personnel in his accounting

7

Administration visited this manufacturer and asked for detailed

manufacturer told our committee that civilian needs and greatly

increased war needs, plus a labor shortage, made the compiling of all
this information virtually impossible.
A witness from a large industrial laboratory told us of duplication
in questionnairies on vitamins issued by the Office of Price Administration, the Fish and Wild Life Service, the Bureau of the Census,
and the Army-Navy Munitions Board. Two of these questionnaires
have been changed from a quarterly to a monthly basis.
A representative of a large contractors' association said his office

has sent out 178 bulleting explaining governmental regulations.
These concerns must file 47 to 52 reports for the Treasury Department, the Office of Defense Transportation, the Office of Price Administration, and the War Production Board. Form No. 21 of the
Office of Defense Transportation requires 6 or 7 reports, some recorded

daily, some monthly. Involved questions are asked, such as tire
mileage for each tire, mileage for each vehicle per year and an estimate
for the next half year, number of trips, average load per trip, gallons
of gasoline used, and so forth.

Senator Vandenberg presented a letter to the committee from a
Kansas farmer who had filled out a two-page report in order to get a
pair of rubber boots. If he lost the boots he was subject to a $10,000
fine or 10 years' imprisonment.
Eastman Kodak employs 84 persons 3,224 hours a week, enough to
build 3 flying fortresses, to complete 409 reports for each quarter.
Constructive criticism includes:
1. Clarify subject matter.
2. Allow sufficient space for reply.
3. Eliminate superfluous requests for information.
4. Avoid "peaking' the reports required.
5. End duplication.
6. Don't penalize a company on priority by failing to win the
"paper race.'

7. Change method by which companies must wait until all

similar companies have filed returns for priorities.
Fred A. Baughan, of the Retail Food Dealers Association the of

Mr. was the next witness. Mr. Baughan testified as to

California, complexity of regulations issued by the Office of Price Administration, items

out that calculations must be made on 1,800 to 3,600 that Office

pointing the neighborhood grocer. He also expressed the belief will
of by Price Administration regulations, red tape, and price ceilings Accordforce all small-size grocery stores out of business.
eventually Mr. Baughan, the lists which the retailers have California, compiled
ing -tons to and tons of them remain piled up in the garages of
unexamined by anyone, unclassified by anyone.

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REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES

and required more than 100,000 man-hours. In another large industry elimination of a single form will save 400,000 man-hours annually and also 100,000 man-hours for the Government.
Senator Vandenberg told the committee about & Chicago business-

man who employs some 2,000 men. Excluding tax and socialsecurity reports, it cost this firm $55,000 in 9 months to answer
Government questionnaires.

A large drug manufacturer testified that some Office of Price

Administration reports are impossible to fill out, both from the stand-

point of time involved and ability to understand what is wanted.

For example, it would take months to determine how to proceed with

Report 1-1071 PL of 5 ROBV-COS-WP, entitled "Report on New

Proprietory or Cosmetic Product." This one dealt with new products.
Later it was revised to include any alteration in the size, style, and

shape of the container or ionnula of any existing product. Mostly

at the request of the War Production Board, hundreds of these changes
have occurred in products marketed before March 1942. Bottles are
now used to replace cartons; corks, to replace caps; glassine paper and

label varnish have been eliminated. Now the company is asked by
Office of Price Administration to go back to March and fill out forms
for every change made in 450 products and about 1,200 sizes. This
involves 600 to 800 changes requiring 600 to 800 reports. This would
require months because it takes a competent man from 1 to 2 days to
make & report. All this is supposed to be for price approval by the
Office of Price Administration, although the law has already fixed
these prices as of March.

The same manufacturer testified that his company has recently
completed work'on a product designed to reduce the mortality rate of
16 children a day who die of whooping cough. The Office of Price
Administration was requested to act promptly on the price rate for
this formula 80 that the company could market the product and save
human lives. Weeks passed. Telephone calls brought no action.
After 6 weeks a price was received from the Office of Price Administration. This procedune would be necessary for each of the 600 items,
The manufacturer presented to us another report, OPA Form Q-51,

Budget Bureau No. 08-ST029-42. Completed, it would be 4 feet
wide and 20 feet long. The company was unable to discover the
purpose of the report, which was supposed to be completed in 4 days.
The first page asked for the following: Name of product, unit ingredient

cost, unit fabricating cost, unit factory overhead, unit administrative
expense, unit sales, and advertising expense, etc.
To make matters worse, the Office of Price Administration asked for
8 type of cost break-down different from that of the Treasury Depart-

ment and different also from that of previous Office of Price Administration questionnaires. The manufacturer said that assignment of
unit cost to a vitamin product would involve administrative expense
and research which could not be estimated He said the probable cost
of filling out all Federal questionnaires would be over $100,000
annually in a firm of 3,800 employees. Office of Price Administration
War Production Board, the Treasury Department, and the Department of Commerce all require separate reports.
Another manufacturer testified the latest Office of Price Administration report was the straw that breaks the camel's back. Declaring
there had been a 90 percent turn-over of personnel in his accounting

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department since January this witness could not determine when the

report might be completed, although it was due November 7. It

would require, he estimated, 300 to 350 additional hours of work by a
highly experienced employee. InJuly, omen from the Office of Price

Administration visited this manufacturer and asked for detailed

information covering 31 sheets. They wanted the material in 2 days
and a large number of people were taken from their work to prepare it.
In November the same Office of Price Administration man asked for
much the same information on another vitamin questionnaire. The

manufacturer told our committee that civilian needs and greatly

increased war needs, plus a labor shortage, made the compiling of all
this information virtually impossible.

A witness from a large industrial laboratory told us of duplication
in questionnairies on vitamins issued by the Office of Price Administration, the Fish and Wild Life Service, the Bureau of the Census,
and the Army-Navy Munitions Board. Two of these questionnaires
have been changed from a quarterly to a monthly basis.
A representative of a large contractors' association said his office

has sent out 178 bulletins explaining governmental regulations.
These concerns must file 47 to 52 reports for the Treasury Department, the Office of Defense Transportation, the Office of Price Administration, and the War Production Board. Form No. 21 of the
Office of Defense Transportation requires 6 or 7 reports, some recorded

daily, some monthly. Involved questions are asked, such as tire
mileage for each tire, mileage for each vehicle per year and an estimate
for the next half year, number of trips, average load per trip, gallons
of gasoline used, and so forth.

Senator Vandenberg presented a letter to the committee from a
Kansas farmer who had filled out a two-page report in order to get a
pair of rubber boots. If he lost the boots he was subject to a $10,000
fine or 10 years' imprisonment.
Eastman Kodak employs 84 persons 3,224 hours a week, enough to
build 3 flying fortresses, to complete 409 reports for each quarter.
Constructive criticism includes:
1. Clarify subject matter.
2. Allow sufficient space for reply.
3. Eliminate superfluous requests for information.
4. Avoid "peaking" the reports required.
5. End duplication.
6. Don't penalize a company on priority by failing to win the
"paper race.

7. Change method by which companies must wait until all

similar companies have filed returns for priorities.
Fred A. Baughan, of the Retail Food Dealers Association the of

Mr. was the next witness. Mr. Baughan testified as to

California, complexity of regulations issued by the Office of Price Administration, 3,600 items

out that calculations must be made on 1,800 to that Office
pointing the neighborhood grocer. He also expressed the belief will
of by Price Administration regulations, red tape, and price ceilings Accordforce all small-size grocery stores out of business. compiled

eventually Baughan, the lists which the retailers have

ing -tons to and Mr. tons of them-remain piled up in the garages of California,

unexamined by anyone, unclassified by anyone.

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The average number of reports and questionnaires from a business
of moderate size is as follows:

Mr. Fred Brenckman, of the National Grange, testified that farmers,
for-hire operators, and large utility companies are harassed by complicated questionnaries which ask questions no one can answer.
Mr. Brenckman suggested suspending regulations that have been
issued so far as they affect operation of farm trucks, and call in committees of practical farmers to assist in the preparation of a conservation program that will meet the desired objectives.

1. Federal Power Commission
2. United States Department of Agriculture
3. United States Department of Justice.
4. Federal Communications Commission.
5. War Production Board
6. Interstate Commerce Commission.
7. Office of Price Administration
8. Bureau of Internal Revenue.
9. Social Security Board
10. Federal Trade Commission
11. Salary Stabilization Unit-Bureau of Internal Revenue.
12. Federal Manpower Commission
13. National War Labor Board.
14. Wage and Hour Division.
15. Alcohol Tax Unit Treasury Department.
16. Board of Economic Warfare.
17. Defense
Savings Staff-War Bonds-United States Treasury Department.
18. Collector of Internal Revenue-Richmond.

OBJECTIONS TO QUESTIONNAIRES AB REPORTED TO THE COMMITTEE

1. Severin Electric Co., San Francisco, Calif. "Overhead costs due to questionnaires have increased 35 percent. Questionnaires have delayed vital workcannot get manpower to do the job-has to put keymen on this job,
2. T. L. Rosenberg Co., Oakland, Calif.: "Questionnaires and Government
requirements of forms, etc., have caused increase of 5 percent overhead-lo in
productive manpower is 1 percent-increased field staff 7 to 10 percent.'
3. Pacific Electric Motor Co., Oakland, Calif. "Questionnaires and forma
cause 14.6 percent direct increase in overhead, and a loss in productive manpower equal to five employees on a 44-hour week.
4.8 O. Sachs Co., St. Louis, Mo.: "Government questionnaires and forms
has increased office personnel 55 percent.
5. Carl I Schaeffer Electric Co., St. Louis, Mo.: "Government forms and red
tape have increased overhead 2 percent-Io in productive manpower equals

19. Collector of Customs.
20. War Department.

21. Navy Department.
22. United States Department of Labor-Labor Statistics.
23. United States Department of Commerce.
24. Office of Defense Transportation

25 percent."

6. Hensley Electric Co., Fort Worth, Tex.: "34 percent of total man-hours

devoted to Government forms, etc.

7. Mill & Marine Electric, Inc., Gastonia, N. C.: "Burdensome forms, ques-

tionnaires, etc., of Government costing us 30 percent more to handle business-

One company furnished the committee with the following information as to the cost of the preparation of these reports:
Number of Federal bureaus or agencies which requested information
Number of types of reports or questionnaires
Number of reports submitted
Man-hours required to prepare information
Cost of personnel

9

taking into consideration inexperienced men overhead would be nearer 50 percent.

8. Charles A. Langlais, San Francisco, Calif.: "Object to Office of Price Administration and Labor Department questionnaires and forms increased cost
doing business 25 percent and decreased available manpower, 25 percent,

24

134

24,160
132,560

9. Huntington & Guerry, Greenville, C.: Estimate questionqaires and

forms increase expenses 10 percent and field staff expense increased 50 percent.

$192,500

The cost shown above does not include related expenses, such as
traveling, telephone, telegraph, postage, and rent.
On the basis that there are 43,000,000 people gainfully employed
(not including agriculture), it would indicate that the time of 188,000
persons is consumed in preparing Federal Government data. This
number would be increased if it were to include the man-hours used
in agriculture to prepare the many Federal returns required in that

field.

The problem of answering questionnaires and making reports to
the Government has become so great that it has been necessary to
assign to an executive of the company the full-time job of following
up this matter. This man is specializing in this field and at the present
time one other man is devoting his full time to the study of priorities

as it affects the company.

Mr. Hugh F. Hall represented the American Farm Bureau. Mr.

Hall testified that the questionnaires sent to farmers had a deleterious

effect in that farmers were overwhelmed by the enormity of the
problem of estimating past and future gasoline consumption, mileage,
etc. The impracticability of the questionnaires, the consumption of
time in filling them out, the lack of understanding by officials of farm-

ers' problems, all caused Mr. Hall to believe that the paper work
required of farmers is overdone. Many will suffer. Some will not be
able
to harvest. Ultimately the purpose of the questionnaries will
be defeated

10. Electric Constructors, Inc., Pascagoula, Miss.: "Red tape increases over-

head from 10 to 20 percent, aggravated by lack of manpower.

11. Paul Heydon: "Six contractors say increased overhead as follows: First,

D

5 percent; second, 10 percent; third, 5 percent; fourth, 5 percent; fifth, 7 percent;
sixth, 3 percent- average, 5.83 percent.

12. National Electrical Contractors, Fort Worth, Tex.: "Contractors there say

15 to 20 percent increase in overhead and 30 percent loss in man-hours.

13. Webb Electric Co., Anderson, S. C.: "Red tape increased overhead and

man-hours 48 percent.'

14. Jack Moorman, Shreveport, La.: "60 percent office time used on red tape,

15 percent supervisor's time, 15 percent total manpower. OPA Form 251 is
impossible.

15. C. Cadwallader, Detroit, Mich.: "12 contractors reporting show 12

percent increase in overhead; delays hard to estimate.'

16. E. H. Herzberg, Milwaukee, Wis.: "Government red tape caused among
contractors the following: One additional stenographer, 50 percent supervisor's
time, 50 percent manager's time, 35 percent bookkeeper's time, 25 percent supervisor's time, 33 percent manager's time, overhead 20 percent higher, overhead
5 percent higher, overhead 10 percent higher, 80 percent manager's time.
17. Brooker Engineering Co., Detroit, Mich.: "Red tape causes increase in
overhead of 25 percent; productive manpower loss, 50 to 75 percent; causes delay
in executing contracts.
18. R. H. Bouligny, Inc., Charlotte, N. C.: "Loss is 5 percent; ties up keymen;
time required 5 percent.
White Electrical Construction Co., Atlanta, Ga.: "Serious burden-in19. overhead 10 percent can't see what use could be made of information.
creased Enterprise Electrical Co., Philadelphia, Pa.: "Increased overhead 10 percent-no 20. uniform procedure on Office of Price Administration forms, etc.: red
tape is awful and hinders war effort.

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was used in forms, etc."

30. Bescon Electrical Engineering & Construction Co., Buffalo, N. Y.: "Our
members report increase in cost as follows: 30, 20, 40, 50, 50, 10, 40, 50, 40, and

percent. Strenuous objection to Form OPA 251."
31. Shreveport Electrical Contractors Association, Shreveport, La.: "Increase
cost of operation of members are respectively: 34, 38, 37, and 32 percent.'
32. National Electrical Contractors Association, Los Angeles, Calif.: "4-percent increase in overhead, 21/-percent loss of productive manpower, 2.43-percent

40

in

increase in staff.

33. National Electrical Contractors Association, Atlanta, Ga.: "Increased cost,

20 percent.

34. Empire Electric Co., Forth Worth, Tex.: "Increased total job cost, 5 per-

cent: increased overhead, 50 percent.'

35. Robinson Electrical Co., Philadelphia, Pa.: "Increases cost of every job

1 percent and one extra employee.

36. Electrical Employers' Association, Cincinnati, Ohio: "Eight contractors

report average of 15.8-percent overhead increase, of 43-percent loss in productive
manpower of 25.4-percent increase in field staff."

37. Tri-City Electric Co. of Iowa, Davenport, Iowa: "Increase of 5 to 15

percent of overhead."

38. Robbins Electric Co., Moline, III.: "Increase overhead 2 to 5 percent per
customer. Object to M. P.R. 251.
39. Richardson-Wayland Electrical Corporation, Roanoke, Va.: "Increased,
cost from 10 to 15 percent plus confusion due to nonconformity and lack of
standardization of forms and answers. Objects to Office of Defense Transportation, Federal Works Agency, and Office of Price Administration red tape and
confusion and duplications

40. Independent Electrical Machinery Co., Kansas City, Mo.: "Increased
clerical help, 20 percent; loss of productive manpower, 8 to 10 hours per day;

increased cost, 15 percent.

41. Alber Electric Co., Kansas City, Mo.: "Increased overhead, 10 percent;

20-rereent loss in productive manpower, 5-percent increase in field staff.

42. Evans Electrical Construction Co.: "Increase in overhead, 25 percent; loss

20 increase
in IT'S
npower,
percent; in staff, 15 percent.'

43. Squire Electric Co., Kansas City, Mo.: "Overhead increased 33 percent,

increase in field staff of 25 percent."

44. W. T. Foley Electric Co., Kansas City, Mo.: "Overhead increase, 10

percent; loss in manpower, 25 percent; increase in staff, 10 percent."

Company

Company

A

1. The approximate
number received In quarter ending Sept. 30, 1942
Recurring
B. Nonrecurring

as

154
,

28. Chewning & Wilmer, Richmond, Va.: "Increase in cost is 13 percent."
29. Ross Electric Construction Co. Philadelphia, Ps.: "Increased work 15 to
20 percent. Can't understand need for 20 copies of each form. Complained to
the Office of Price Administration, citing drive on scrap paper, when 80 much

Company

c.

4

6 to 7 percent.'

American Paper & Pulp Co., New York, N. Y.:

B

percent. Information requested is useless.
22. Davenport Electric Contract Co., Davenport, Iowa: "Increases overhead
9 percent and we pass it off on the public.'
23. Leithner & Weishar, Rock Island, III.: "Increased overhead 15 percentcaused us to refuse contracts over $500. Believe 95 percent of questionnaires
are unopened by Government."
24. Tennessee Armature Electric Co., Knoxville, Tenn.: "Three contractors in
city overhead jumped 30 percent; ours has jumped 45 percent."
25. Southern Electric Service Co., Inc. Charlotte N. C.: "Increased personnel
7 percent and increased overhead of $1,200 per month.'
26. Eugene Ashe Electric Co., Fort Worth, Tex.: "40 percent of total manhours used on Government forms, etc."
27. Bryant Electric Co., High Point, N. C.: "Increased productive labor cost

11

0

21. Foshee Electric Co., Fort Worth, Tex.: "Increases overhead 25 to 30

Total
69

2. Estimate
of man hours required to complete these reports:
Recurring
B. Nonrecurring

158

2,725

1.008

Total
2,959

124

1,079

234
O.

176

3,442

2,087

3. Estimate of cost of completing reports:
Recurring

8. Nonrecurring
O.

$3,299

83,176

388

2,079

Total
3,685

Includes PD 1A.

o

$3,966

5,478

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1st Session

SENATE

DOCUMENT

No. 5

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ADDITIONAL REPORT
OF THE

JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION

CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES
PURSUANT TO

SECTION 601 OF THE REVENUE ACT OF 1941

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and ordered to be printed

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CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES

LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL

JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION OF NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES
CREATED PURSUANT TO SECTION 601, or THE REVENUE ACT or 1941

CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES,

HARRY FLOOD BYRD, Benstor from Virginia, Chairman

JOINT COMMITTEE ON REDUCTION OF
NONESSENTIAL FEDERAL EXPENDITURES,

ROBERT L. DOUGHTON, Representative from North Carolina, Vice Chairman
SENATE

or

THE JOHUHOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

WALTER F. GEORGE, Benston from Georgia

ROBERT M. LAJOLLETTE.Jz. Benston from
Wisconsin

New

York

ALLEN T. TREADWAY, Representative from

CARTER GLASS, Benstor from Virginia,

Manachusetts

KENNETH
MCKELLAR Senator from Ten. CLARENCE CANNON, Representative from
pessee.
Missouri.

GERALD P. NYE, Senston from North Dakota

February 15, 1943.

THOMAS H. CULLEN, Representative from

CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, Representative from
Virginia,

JOHN TABER, Representative from New York.
HENRY MORGENTHAU, JR., Secretary of the Treasury
HAROLD D. SMITH, Director of the Bureau of the Budget

The VICE PRESIDENT,

United States Senate, Washington, D.C.
SIR: In accordance with title 6 of the Revenue Act of 1941, Public

Law No. 250, Seventy-seventh Congress, as chairman of the Joint
Committee on Reduction of Nonessential Federal Expenditures, it
gives me pleasure to present to you an additional report of this
committee, which I ask that you lay before the Senate of the United
States, with a view to its being printed as a Senate document.
Respectfully submitted.
HARRY F. BYRD, Chairman.

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FEBRUARY 15, 1943.
Report to: The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
The VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PRESIDENT
OF THE SENATE.
The SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

In accordance with title 6 of the Revenue Act of 1941, Public Law
No. 250, Seventy-seventh Congress, an additional report herewith
is presented by the Joint Committee on Reduction of Nonessential
Federal Expenditures.
The investigation of the cost of passenger automobiles, both owned

and rented by the United States Government, convinced the committee a year ago that very substantial economies could be effected by

eliminating all nonessential traveling by automobile.

The committee decided last year, and 80 reported to Congress, that
the traveling expenses of the different agencies of Government were
exorbitant and should be carefully supervised by the Appropriations
Committees, and a substantial reduction required.
The committee now presents to Congress a report on the number
of automobiles owned and operated by the various Government agencies, exclusive of those used by the Army and Navy.
Despite the growing automobile crisis, both in tires and gasoline,
the investigation of the committee indicates that for the first 4 months
of the present fiscal year (July 1, to November 1, 1942) the various
agencies of the Government, exclusive of the Army and Navy, continued for the most part to use as many passenger cars, to drive as
many miles, and to consume about as much gasoline as did these
agencies in a comparable period of the previous year, and this, notwithstanding the efforts of the Government to reduce the consumption
of gasoline and to conserve rubber.
The committee believes that the same standard of strictly essential
driving should be applicable to Government employees as it now
applies to individual citizens. This, the committee is convinced, is
not being done, assuming that the latest figures available for the first
4 months of this fiscal year are a criterion for the current fiscal year.

In the last fiscal year the Federal Government owned 17,305

passenger automobiles, exclusive of the Army and Navy, and exclusive
of trucks and motorcycles. It now owns and operates 18,953 passenger automobiles, which represents an increase of more than 1,600 cars
over the number owned and operated during fiscal year 1942.
In the last fiscal year the cost of operating these passenger auto-

mobiles, exclusive of interest and depreciation on the cars, was
$4,243,602. The cost of operating these cars for the first 4 months of
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this fiscal year was $1,308,023, or on a yearly basis the cost would b
$3,924,069. which is substantially the same.

attributed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. On the other

traveled 66,610,310, or 199,830,930 miles on a yearly basis.

Works Agency, as in this latter Agency the activities been greatly
reduced. An increase of 34 in the National Housing Agency as well

In the last fiscal year these Government-owned cars traveled
203,550,280 miles. In the first 4 months of this fiscal year they
The, amount of gasoline used by Government-owned cars in the
past fiscal year was 13,793,594 gallons. For the first 4 months of this
fiscal year the amount was 4,284,511 gallons or, on a yearly basis,
12,853,533 gallons.

Considering, therefore, the cost, the mileage traveled, and the
amount of gasoline consumed for the first 4 months of this fiscal year

(according to the latest information available) there has been no
appreciable decline in the use of these Government automobiles by

peacetime agencies although the Government itself is compelling the

private citizen to reduce the use of automobile travel and ban all

nonessential driving.

But these figures by no means tell the entire story of travel by employees on Government business. The various departments allow
their employees to use privately owned cars for official business on a
reimbursable mileage basis. The figures from all the agencies are not
available to the committee, but 5 agencies out of 47 have reported
the mileage of these cars for the fiscal year 1942. The extent of the
use of privately ownedicars as reported by these 5 agencies shows that

they traveled 145,606,241 miles at a total cost of $7,261,856.32

Adding this mileage of 145,606,241 to the 203,550,280 miles traveled
by the Government-owned cars, and making reasonable allowance for
those agencies not reporting, it would appear to be conservative to
estimate that in the fiscal year 1942 the various agencies of the Government operated passenger cars to the extent of from 400,000,000 to
500,000,000 miles, and used from 25,000,000 to 30,000,000 gallons of

gasoline.

The committee desires again to call attention to the great extravagance of the traveling costs of the various agencies of Government,
and in more detailed statement which will be made to the Congress
later, but at this time the committee regards, as most important, the
complete elimination of nonessential operation of motorcars by the
Government. In a crisis such as this the Government itself must
set an example to the people. It should not ask sacrifices of the
people which the employees of the Government do not themselves
make. The committee has had presented to it many instances of
duplicated travel of these thousands of Government employees who
travel in separate cars instead of using the same car. The committee
finds this practice especially reprehensible in the Department of Agriculture, which in the fiscal year 1942 traveled 143,206,000 miles in
rented cars and 49,856,594 in Government-owned cars. The committee is of the opinion that a large proportion of this travel is unnecessary and should be dispensed with, and for much of the balance
the same car can be used by different employees of the Agriculture
Department.

It is, of course, true that in certain agencies of the Government,

such as the Department of Justice, there is justification for a reasonable

increase in the cars operated, due to the enlarged activities of the
Federal Bureau of Investigation In fact, the increase of 551 cars in
the past year in the Department of Justice for the most part may be

hand, in the judgement of the committee, there is no justification for
an increase of nearly 100 cars in the Agriculture Department, which
already had 4,359 passenger cars, or an increase of 120 in the Federal

as other increases, are noted in the itemized statement which is a part
of this report.
The committee further believes that substantial economies can be

made in the employment of full-time and part-time chauffeurs. In

the last fiscal year there were 403 full-time chauffeurs; now there are
439, an increase of 36. In the last fiscal year there were 695 part-time
chauffeurs; now there are 693, a reduction of 2.
be In the last fiscal year the salaries of full-time chauffeurs $555,295
while it is estimated their salaries this year will be $590,000 in addition to these the Government employs many chauffeurs on B parttime basis.

DISE

The committee believes the plan which the Office of Emergency
Management has adopted to regulate use of the cars assigned to it, is a

step in the right direction. They require every person using a car to
sign a statement for permanent record that the person is traveling on
official business, and to give the destination and reason for the use of
the car. Such a plan adopted by the other agencies, combined with
decentralized automobile-pooling arrangement, would do much to reduce the use of Government-owned automobiles and greatly reduce
the cost to the Government.

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EFFECTIVE USE OF MATERIAL

The information gathered by the committee has been very useful
to several departments of the Government concerned with this problem. Last year the Bureau of the Budget and the Office of Defense
Transportation availed themselves of the information to be used as
a basis for their regulations and to effect economies in the use of
Government owned and operated cars and trucks.
In a statement to the press on February 7. 1943, Harold D. Smith,

Director of the Bureau of the Budget, pointed out that

Preliminary surveys conducted by the Bureau and data provided by the Byrd
committee indicate approximately 100,000 tires will be pooled as a result of the
order, which means that until now Government cars have had an average of 61/4
tires each. This is an "unwarranted situation."
RECOMMENDATIONS

The committee recommends:
1. That the Appropriations Committees carefully survey the need
for the existing passenger cars of each of the agencies of Government
and adjust accordingly the appropriation for the necessary cars.

2. That all Government officials and employees give complete
endorsement to the Office of Price Administration's mileage-conservation program as it relates to automobiles used in the public
service. 3. That there should be established immediately in Washington
the duration of the war a passenger-automobile pooling arrangefor ment to transport Government employees engaged in official business

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when no other transportation is available within the metropolitan

area of Washington. Each agency shall certify the names of those
persons entitled to use official cars on official business, and at no

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other time, by no other person and in no other way shall they be used.
4. That any Government official or employee who uses or authorizes
the use of any Government-owned or leased vehicle other than for
official purposes shall be summarily removed from office, and may,
also, upon conviction thereof, be subject to a fine of not more than
$1,000, or imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both.

5. That every Government automobile have displayed in a con-

spicuous place a sign such as the following: "Owned and operated by
the United States Government
agency
The following is a list of passenger automobiles as reported by the
various agencies. This list does not include the cars that are rented
by the various agencies, neither does it include trucks, pick-up trucks,
or motorcycles, and is exclusive, also, of all passenger automobiles
and trucks owned and operated by the Army and Navy.

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620

164,652.00

11,540,738

476,219.00

7

34,420,943

104

236
852
date
2,127

3,580

3,498,807

70,021.12

19,700.42

104

976,212

2,491

385

441Office of Price Administration

Treasury Department

4,284,511.8Railroad Retirement Board

18,793,594.85

66,610,310.8

4,243,002.55

1,308,023. 10

203,550,280.

555,296

2,505

Civilian Conservation Corps

1942

1,280

2,000

654,476Panama Canal

808,742

6,840.00

2,463,099

154,662

U.S.Tariff Commission

None

Veterana' Administration

385

18,953

year
7,400.00

56,005

670

201

1,320.00

Supreme Court of United States

13,713

8,700.00

2,514,545

None

State Department

Tennessee Valley Authority

12,467,862

# 760

502,454.84

835

8,100

111.142.89

15 51

5,700.00

18,560.00

27,271

$ 180.00

23,618

41,147

8,08017,305

for fiscal

Estimated

Fiscal year

Fiscal year

Source: Replies to questionnaire sent out by the Joint Committee on Reduction of

83,874

348,500

590,061.84YALONOMINEDoes not include all War Relocation Authority cars. No operating cost available on

151,410.00

Total

$15,120.00

This report on Civilian Conservation Corps cars not included in Federal Security

a 52 Foreign Service care not included.

Agency. Report does not include cars put in storage due to contraction of operations,

Does not include W ork Projects Administration cars.

by Civilian Conservatio Corps units within War Department, Agriculture Depart

5.200

7,400

5,840

55 Public Health chauffeurs used for driving trucks and tractors also,

Nonemential Federal Expenditures Does not include the legislative branch, the Archi-. This report excludes Civilian Conservation Corps cars.

1,380

6,240

1942
3,000

year
Fiscal

151,410

$16,130

,

2
693

8

620
to
date

Year
FishdOffice of Censorship

10

National Mediation Board

257.84

Nonemission

8,054

18,840.00

12,406

2

8
696
1942

VAST
Fiscal

1

2

4
10

16,920

14

439

to
date
year
Fiscal

:

1

2

4

14
403
1942

year
Fiscal
1943

651
1942

Number

this fiscalNational Labor Relations Board

Highway.
ment. and Department of the Interior. No report on Civilian Conservation Corps this

Part time1942

Cars from the Division of Territories and Island Possessions not included. Civilian

fiscal year to Oct: 31, 1942, because it is in process of Liquidation: 883 cars transfe

Conservation Corps cars not included

to Army. Navy Civil Aero nautics Administration and other agencies as Jan. 29. 1943.

Cost operating not complete for all divisions.

Does not include 28 Civilian Conservation Corps cars transferred to the Alaskan

Full time

o
4.850

4.838
traveled

miles

77,918

Number

135,854

miles

traveled.
8,211

Re questionnaire dated Oct.31, 1942

Number of chauffeurs

This fiscal

Fiscal year

Chauffeurs salaries,

Number gallonsFiscal

Agency or department

year to

14,140.00

fiscal year

(214

an
34,555June 30,

118,200.00

(ii)

69,259

1942

as

year to

47,080

Oct. 31,

AUTOMOBILE (PASSENGER)-Continued

11

72,560

89

25,648

8,301

39,973

756.70

756.33

36,165

417.12

212.65

1,810

6,030

26.50

198.84

174.63

31,935

11

23,377

$562.30

$350.77

1942
4,117.04

1

60

406,853

883,478

14,062.79

8.767.87

633,514

696,043

4,818.03

15,336.07

ending

90,191

4,709.24

278,800

14,284.26

264,455

6.515.15

&
21
147

-

18
150

870,518

1

2
10

18,919.71

as

year
1942

Fiscal

1

Oct. 31.

a
16

51

206

year
gasoline used

full time

salary

Average for period.

Includes War Shipping Administration

Actual

Number owned

paid

Cost of operating

None

" 42 Foreign Service cars and station wagons not included.

#34 of these cars acquired in September 1942 from the Federal Works Agency from

poration and subsidiaries

tect of the Capital the Betanical Gardena, the White House, or the Army and Navy

16,655,251

405,896.00

1,665,526Reconstruction Finance Cor-

28,560

(not included to total)14

*1.179

23

cost-plus- fixed-fee projects on recapture basis. No records on them available.

ment

Post Office Department

Office of Emergency Manage

Sejective Service System

Office of Strategie Services

20

Smithsonian Institution

Securities and Exchange Com-

War Relocation care.

Departments Rental and mileage payments.for use of private cars not included

is Not available

366

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE AM
TO

FROM

February 20, 1943

Secretary Morgenthau
Randolph Paul

I have just learned from Jere Cooper, on a
very confidential basis, how the voting went
yesterday afternoon in respect to the pay-asyou-go controversy.

The strongest vote was obtained by the

Doughton No. 1 plan (the plan involving the for-

giveness of the difference between 1941 and 1942

taxes). The smallest vote was obtained by the

Doughton No. 2 plan (the 50% Ruml plan). The
Robertson plan (the 19% forgiveness plan) obtained
a vote between Doughton's No. 1 and No. 2. The

Carlson slightly modified Ruml plan obtained 5 votes.
After the voting, Gearhart, who seems to have
joined up with Camp, strongly urged that the
Committee should establish collection at the source
with no forgiveness of taxes apparently leaving the

question of forgiveness up in the air until the
1943 rates had been enacted.

At the end of the session, Cooper made a
motion to appoint a subcommittee. The-motion
passed and the Chairman appointed the three
available ranking Democrats - Cooper, Disney and

Dingell (Cullen being away) - and the two available
ranking Republicans - Knutson and Reed (Treadway

being ill).

REA

367

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

Secretary Morgenthau
FROM

February 20, 1943

Frances McCathran
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES BEFORE CONGRESS

1. Tax: Pay-As-You-Go - After reaching a stalemate yesterday

on all the tax proposals they were considering, the House

Ways and Means Committee turned the job over to a sub-

committee with instructions to draft a new bill embodying
the features of pay-as-you-go and withholding at the source.
How much tax forgiveness the new tax bill should allow will
be a major decision, according to Representative Cooper,
an Administration supporter and Chairman of the sub-committee.
Others serving with him are Representative Dingell (another
Administration supporter), Representatives Disney, Knutson,
and Reed (anti-Administration), and Representative Doughton as an ex officio member. The House Ways and Means
Committee also reaffirmed their approval of the Disney

Amendment yesterday and gave unanimous consent to Repre-

sentative Disney (instead of to Chairman Doughton) to

report the Debt Limit Bill with his salary limitation
rider. This action was taken to protect the bill from a
technical point of order on the floor of the House. In
regard to his amendment, Representative Disney said it

would leave salary control largely in the hands of the
Treasury since it has the authority to disallow for Federal
income tax purposes unreasonable salary increases. However,
since a corporation could continue to pay salaries which
the Treasury considered unreasonable by absorbing the tax
loss themselves, Treasury officials and Administration
supporters on Capitol Hill are reported wondering how adequate this authority will be.
2. Farm Loans - Appearing before the Byrd Economy Committee

yesterday in hearings on Secretary Wickard's proposal to
revive the RACC, Governor Black of the Farm Credit Administration admitted yesterday that "considerable savings" could
be made by streamlining the Government's farm lending
program. When, however, Black said that Secretary Wickard
planned to use present personnel of the Department of

368

Agriculture to administer the revised RACC, Senator Byrd
replied, "You either cannot do it or the Department is
employing far too many employees." Governor Black agreed
with Senator Wherry that it would be desirable for farm
loans to be handled through private banks with the Government simply guaranteeing the risk as in the HOLC, and said,
"I would be happy if we made no loans at all." But both
Senators George and Wherry disagreed with this statement,
claiming that if a Government agency of this sort is set
up,
agents,
anxious to "make good", will "solicit"
andGovernment
"advertise" for
clients.
3. Criticism of OPA - For several days two Congressional
committes have been hearing consistent criticism of the

OPA's system of price fixing. Specifically, the House
Small Business Committee was told yesterday that black
markets in meat could be stopped by "down the line" raising of OPA meat prices and that otherwise strikes in the
meat industry will probably spread over the country.
Equally bitter have been complaints over the OPA emergency
order freezing fluid milk prices at January levels for 60
days. Consequently, J. K. Galbraith, Deputy Administrator
of OPA, promised a Senate Agriculture Subcommittee that
there would be "substantial adjustments" Galbraith, however, disagreeing with farm state senators that increased

prices would stimulate farm production, endorsed the theory
of incentive payments instead.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

o

Fiscal Service

369

TO his Channey
there were signed

by the Sery

and returned to In.
Cavins at the national

smlay
long

No

MR. HEFFELFINGER

Minute recording action

of the Finance Committee,
Board of Trustees,

National Gallery of Art.

The Treasurer reports that at the present time
the Gallery has on deposit with the National Metropolitan
Bank, Washington, D. C., surplus trust funds aggregating
$4,980.00, which are available for Investment purposes.
$3,500.00 of this amount represents a contribution from
The A. W. Mellon Educational and Charitable Trust for the
purchase and installation of revolving doors at the
Constitution Avenue entrance to the National Gallery of
Art building. However, it is not possible to proceed with
this improvement because the material required is restricted
by priority rulings. The balance, $1,480.00, represents the
Gallery's share of the net operating profit from the cafeteria
which is reserved for the ultimate replacement of depreciable

cafeteria equipment. The Treasurer suggests that these funds
might well be invested in United States War Savings Bonds,
Series "F".
Following discussion the members of the Finance

Committee, whose signatures appear below, hereby recommend

that the Board of Trustees of the National Gallery of Art
invest such trust funds in the amount of $2,960.00 and
$1,480.00, respectIvely, in United States War Savings Bonds,
Series "F" and that the Treasurer of the National Gallery
of Art be authorized to purchase for and on behalf of the
Board of Trustees of the National Gallery of Art six
$1,000.00 face value United States War Savings Bonds, Series
"F" at a total cost of $4,440.00.
The Committee further recommends that these bonds,

when received, be placed in the Gallery's safe deposit box
at the National Metropolitan Bank, Washington, D. C.. to be
held in trust for the purpose or purposes for which the of
money was intended and that the increment in the value
the bonds, when realized, be considered as representing
current income to the Endowment Fund of the National Gallery
of Art.

Computter
the Treasury, ChairmanEx-officio
Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of

Cordell Hung Secretary of State,
Member

Minute recording action

of the Finance Committee,
Board of Trustees,

National Gallery of Art.
The members of the Finance Committee of the

Board of Trustees of the National Gallery of Art, whose
signatures appear below, have reviewed the financial
statements submitted by Mr. D. D. Shepard, former
Treasurer of the National Gallery of Art, showing the

financial condition of private funds of the National

Gallery of Art, as of the close of business December 31,
1942, and a statement of cash receipts and disbursements

applicable to the private funds of the Gallery for the six

months period July 1, to December 31, 1942, the effective
date of his resignation as Treasurer of the National Gallery of Art, a copy of which has been submitted herewith,
and have by their signatures indicated their approval of
the same, and hereby recommend that the financial statements
be submitted to the Board of Trustees and the same be
approved by the Board.

Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of
the Treasury, Chairman Ex-officio

Contact Aprel
Cordell Hull, Secretary of State,
Member

David K. E. Bruce, Member Ex-officio
F. Lammot Belin, Member
Samuel H. Kress, Member

David K. E. Bruce, Member

Ex-Officio

7.1 Brin
F. Lammot Belin, Member

Samuel H. Kress, Member

373

FEB 20 1943

Dear Jesse,

I have for acknowledgment your letter dated February 16th,

which has reference to the purchase made by the RFC Mortgage
Company of the Empire Hotel at San Francisco for use by the
Treasury Department and other governmental agencies.

In the second paragraph of your letter it is indicated

that you would like to have the Treasury Department lease the

entire building and arrange for subletting to other departments the portion occupied by them. In our letter to you
on this subject dated July 14, 1942, it was pointed out that

the Public Buildings Administration would undertake reimburse-

ment to the RFC Mortgage Company and that the Treasury Department would make any necessary representations to the Public

Buildings Administration to accomplish that purpose. In
view of this, would it not be more appropriate for the RFC
Mortgage Company to negotiate this lease with the Public
Buildings Administration, who, in turn, would look to the
several agencies for reimbursement commensurate with the

space occupied.

In the above connection, the Treasury Department will
be happy to assist the RFC Mortgage Company in concluding

suitable atrangements with the Public Buildings Administra-

tion looking toward a satisfactory adjustment of this matter.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr
Honorable Jesse Jones,
The Secretary of Commerce.

Sent by Brown 2:03 2/20/43
Copy to Miss Ecelin

Photo file in Diary
File to Thompson

374

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE February 18, 1943
Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

Mr. Bell

Subject: Background of Empire Hotel

(1) On May 6, 1942, Public Buildings Administration ordered the
Treasury Department out of the Federal Building in San Francisco in

order that the Navy might take over this space. In this letter it was
indicated that the Navy would pay for the rental of commercial space

both
in the remainder of the fiscal year 1942 and all of the fiscal year
1943.
(2) In August 1943 the RFC Mortgage Company purchased the Empire

Hotel Building for $2,000,000, in response to our request of July 14,
1942, on the understanding that the Public Buildings Administration would
reimburse them for a satisfactory rental.
(3) The Public Buildings Administration and the RFC Mortgage Company
we understand have not been able to agree as to the rent. RFC wants
$300,000, which is 15 percent of the purchase price. PBA thinks this is
too much money, so they have told us.
(4) RFC had a bitter experience with PBA when they rented 1610 Park
Road for Government use in the matter of getting PRA to pay the rental

and negotiate the lease. In view of this, RFC has indicated that they
do not care to do business with PBA.

(5) RFC has endeavored to work out a scheme which would lease to
the Treasury Department this entire area and hold us responsible for
collecting rents from State Department, Army, Federal Communications

Commission, and our own people.

(6) Since we were ordered out of the Federal Building by PBA
and did not want to move, we feel that the lease negotiations should be
left between PBA and RFC to negotiate.

GEORGIA

DEPARTMENT

THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE
WASHINGTON
STATES

or

February 16, 1943

Dear Henry:

At the request of your Department, The RFC
Mortgage Company purchased the Hotel Empire in

San Francisco, California, last July, and converted
it into office quarters, and subsequently certain

units of the Treasury Department and the Army and
Navy moved into the building.

The Treasury is to rent the entire building,
sub-leasing to the Army and the Navy or others who

might move in from time to time. The matter of The
Mortgage Company obtaining a lease from the Treasury
is dragging, the Company's expenses in connection with

this particular project are accruing daily, and we
would like to get the lease situation cleared up with

as little delay as possible. I would appreciate it if

you would have the matter looked into.
With best wishes,

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of Commerce

Honorable Henry Morgenthau
FOR VICTORY

BUY
UNITED

WAR
BONDS
STAMPS

Secretary of the Treasury

Washington, D. C.

A dear Rr. ecretary:
TAIN letter is with Puru er reference 40 PIOT
corresponsence between 18 concerning the purchase V

the Empire Hotel this Pancieso, California.
In your lotter O: in M 1.00 Du Indicate: that t..c

AFC Mort are Company WORLD inc willia to purchase the

hotel, on terms satisfact X Co Ab, and i at our needa

for space would be provide at a satisfactory

rental. You also indicated that you would expect us,
at an a propriate time, to RS Cun pest for Paris to Peimburse the RFC Mort ace Company for its expenditure.

Representatives of t..1u Do artmont have been in
negotiation with the OTHERS of the hotel for sometime

past in an endeavor to Cash to a cutually ratisfactory
understanding as to the terms under weice the buil In,
can be acquired. AS the situation now stands, the
William Taylor Company, wich owns the building, is
willing to sell the hulldino for $100,00, the management
price to include up to +1.5,000 to be spent by the Owner

In making alterations to the buildin & directed by the
purchaser, and also to include venetian blinds, laid

carpet and was tover office furniture and office equipment
the unchaser may select.

Although the price asked is substantially In excess
of appraisals made at our requast by the Internal le enue

Agent in Charge at San Francisco, by tair none Owners' Lown

Corporation, and by the District engineer of the Public
Building Administration (none of these appraisals exceed

$1,500,000), we are persuaded that under all the circumstances
there is no reasonable course open to us other than to PCquest you to acquire the building in general accordance with
the terms proposed.

Rications are cein, prepared

An

Altoration .. at ade by tite owner,

it is 4% that L. c Buildin NE renovated will
GE us 100,000 square feet of usable Space
Lilled up over. should it seem more

to you Birst the OWNER deliver the building
Peno utoc in accordance with drawinge and specifications
am w Invance about Lile

ACC Will 5.16 be william to

8.0 ept U.I. andi allon without reference to 0.1⑆ cost of
product in bill Result; each an arran_ument would, of

COUPEC, be certiful 4 Pedable to use 9 S an alternative to

avin the CONSPROCT O. last provide for the expenditure

01 by Like present owner for alterations.

our Mr. Edward berne. , WAO has been handling
URC negotiations wit and owners, will be in San Francisco

before the end o." this week t assist in working out the

det: ils preliminary t 8 closing He is f'mmiliar with

the CREAPO situation, being clobely in touch with the
owners BAG with Qui architect who is working on the
drewing Showing the necessary alterations. Should you
Desire to instruct your Can Francisco office to proceed

in L.L. matter without further discussion with this office,
Kr.
will to available there.
on the question of requesting Congress to ap repriate

the Aprt awe Company for t...is
expensiture, as we unierstam it, such request would be
Tange

audit inc Public Buildin E Administration. we

are entirely E recable to make the necessary representations

to the Pullic Buildings Administration preliminary to
havin, the Latter presented to the Congress.

AS you know, WE are under a great deal of pressure
from the Navy Department to make available to it the

3.

space in the Federal Office Building In an Francisco

now occupied by this Department, are BPG very desirous
of concluding arrangements looking toward new space

at the earliest possible moment. Your oro pt attention
to this matter will be greatly R preciated.
Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury.

The Honorable

The Secratary of Commerce.

JJO'C.Jr/law
7-14-42

379

FEB 20 1943

MEMORANDUM FOR MR. FORSTER,

Executive Clerk, The White House.

In answer to your inquiry, it is perfectly
legal for the President to autograph a dollar

bill.

(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.

JJO'C.Jr/1sw

2-19-43

Del. by Brown 2:03 2/20/43
(Treasury seal and blue

ribbon affixed)

Copiee to Thompson

Copy in Diary

380

BRITISH AIR COMMISSION
1785 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE
WASHINGTON, D. c.
TELEPHONE HOBART 9000
PLEASE QUOTE
REFERENCE NO

With the compliments of British Air Commission
who enclose Statement No. 73 - Aircraft Despatched
- for week ended February 16, 1943.

The Honourable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.
Secretary of the Treasury
WASHINGTON, D. C.

February 20, 1943.

381

STATEMENT NO. 73

MOST SECRET

Aircraft Despatched from the United States
Yook Ended February 16th 19/3

Type

Destination

Assembly

By

By

Flight Delivered

Point

Sea

Air

for use in Canada

BREASTER

U.K.

U.K.

U.K.

Gander enroute

Liberator III

Bahamas

Liberator GR V
Liberator GR V

Bahamas

Nassau
Nassau

U.K.

Canada enroute

Middle East

Port Sudan

U.K.

Canada enroute

Bernuda

19

BOEING

Fortress II

1

CONSOLIDATED
1

1
1

CURTISS

Kittyhawk

3

DOUGLAS

Boston III A

13

GLENN MARTIN

Baltimore III A

Middle East

Middle East

West Africa

Freetown

St Africa

Capetown

Trinidad

Trinidad

9

LOCKHEED

Hudson VI

4

NORTH AMERICA

Harvard

30

STINSON

Reliant

* exported week ended Feb.9th

Movements Division, British Air Commission
February 20th, 1943.

Total

4

52

34

382
THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON

February 20, 1943

Dear Henry:

I am sending you herewith a paraphrase of the

brief cable of February 19 from our Embassy in
London which I just read to you on the telephone.
Believe me

Your very sincerely,

Enc.

The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury.

383

PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM

FROM:

American Embassy, London

TO:

Secretary of State, Washington

DATED:

February 19, 1943

With reference to this story, I have discreetly
consulted Sulzberger, who tells me that a Dutchman

in Turkey started the story. Sulzberger thinks that
it 18 probably a Nazi trick, and does not attach much
importance to it.

miss Channie 384

Politice to Belle

DikBill
white

Pehle

(regaline attached)

while a Bell told

that they had " better
do
about
thissomething
*
2/22/43 From: Lieut. Stephend &

COMMURECATION TO
OF STATE

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

refer to

Februery 20, 1943

My dear Mr. Secretary:

Prior to the rupture of relations between the United
States Government and the French Government at Vichy the
shipment from this country of supplemental supplies in the
form of meet at a rate not to exceed 500 tons a month
consigned to the International Red Cross for distribution

among French prisoners of war in German custody was permitted under an arrangement between the British and United
States Governments. Such shipments were financed from

blocked French Government funds in this country, the necessary licenses submitted by the French Embassy having been

issued from time to time by the Treasury Department, at
the request of this Department.
Upon the severance of Franco-American relations, the
shipment of supplies financed from official French funds
ceased. Except for a small number of food parcels paid

for by private French relief societies, no supplies have
been sent to these prisoners of war from this country
since that time.

The plight of these prisoners of war, numbering one
million sixty-three thousand according to recent information from reliable sources, is serious. French North
Africa was the primary source of supplemental supplies

for these prisoners of war prior to the occupation of that

area by American and British forces. Supplies pre no longer
available from that area for this purpose. Consequently,
with the flow of supplies virtually cut off from the United
States and entirely cut off from French North Africa,
these prisoners are dependent solely on the rations
furnished
The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr

,

realy

Secretary of the Treasury.

-2-

furnished them by the detaining Power. These rations
are not considered to be sufficient to prevent serious
physical deterioration of these orisoners.

/

For humaniterian reasons, as well AS for reasons of
an important political nature, the Department of State 18
of the opinion that the shipment of supplemental supplies
from this country to French prisoners of war should be

resumed and maintained on a continuing basis. Moreover,
it should be mentioned that the French Government accords

free use of its railroad and mail facilities for the

transport of supplies to American and United Nations

prisoners in transit through France. The use of these

facilities may be denied 1f the United States Government
tekes & position which prevents the dispatch of supplies
to French prisoners of war. The American Red Cross will
soon be in a position to supply 100,000 standard food
percels per month which might be sent to these prisoners.

The distribution of these parcels would be limited, in 80
far as possible, to those prisoners who are kept in base

camos and who are not performing work of a nature prohibited
by the Geneva Prisoners of War Convention of 1929.
As noted above, the French Government, prior to the
severance of relations, financed the purchase and shipment

of supplies for these prisoners from its blocked funds in
this country. I am convinced that at the present time a

French Government which was at all responsive to the will
of the French people would wish to continue financing the
purchase and shipment of supplies for these prisoners in
the same manner. Under present circumstances, however, in
order that French Government balances in this country
might be employed for this purpose, it 18 necessary for
the Treasury Department to issue a directive under
Section 5 (b) of the Trading with the Enemy Act, as amended,
to the New York office of the French American Banking Corporation. I strongly recommend that the Treasury Department do
issue such a directive. The first such directive license
should authorize and direct the New York office of the
French American Banking Corporation to pay, transfer, or
withdraw, from appropriate accounts of the French Government
the sum of $1,050,000, to be paid to the American Red Cross
for the purpose of financing the purchase and shipment of
300,000 parcels. This will permit the American Red Cross
to make arrangements for shipments on a temporary basis for
a three-month period, pending the receipt and evaluation
of additional information from which it may be determined
whether

-3-

whether the arrangement should be continued. All parcels
shipped by the American Red Cross under this arrangement
will be consigned to the International Red Cross in Geneva
for distribution by that organization. The shipment of
food in bulk is not contemplated. The Department will
advise you further as additional sums are required by the
American Red Cross to carry out the program.

The Department of State will take such steps as it
may deem appropriate in an endeavor to protect the interests
of American citizens or corporations which act in pursuance
of and in reliance on the Governmental directive herein
outlined.

Sincerely yours,

388

1943

FEB

NOT TO BE RE-TRANSMITTED

22

AM

U.S. SECRET
BRITISH MOST SECRET

COPY

NO

13

OPTEL No. 56.
1943.

Information received up to 7 a.m. 20th February,

1. NAVAL

Air reconnaissance (?Spezia) yesterday showed

that one of 3 Littorio class battleships has left.
2. MILITARY

Tunisia 18th 8th Army. Our patrols occupied Foum
Tatahouine.

Russia The Russians are reported to be continuing their
attacks south of Lake Ladoga in the Leningrad area and
in the Lake Ilmen area. Pressure on the German positions
south east of Orel continues. The Russians have occupied

Obuyan on the Kirsk-Kharkov road Lubotin on Kharkov-Poltava
railway and Merefa on Kharkov-Lozovaya railway.
3. AIR OPERATIONS

Western Front 18/19th Wilhelmshaven. 582 tons dropped
almost equal proportion H.E. and I.B. including 117
4,000 pound bombs. Main attack lasted 22 minutes. No
cloud, excellent visibility, bright moonlight, most crews
could identify objective visually. Smoke screen in
operation increased during attack. Number of good fires
spread over city and especially in docks one very large,
A/A fire moderate, some enemy aircraft met 2 of them
claimed destroyed. 19th. 10 escorted Venturas dropped 11
tons of bombs on Den Helder in good visibility and hit
the torpedo boat establishment. 19/20th. 374 aircraft
sent out - Wilhelmshaven 338, (11 missing. 2 creshed)
Ruhr 2, transformer stations in north France 34 (3 missing).
Wilhelmshaven was attacked in good weather, but with slight
haze over objective.

Tunisia and Libya 17/18th, 12 Bisleys dropped 5 tons
of bombs on mechanical transport in the Fondouk/Gafsa area,
one Bisley is missing. 11 enemy aircraft, one of which
was destroyed, bombed -Benghazi town and harbour, no damage
reported but some casualties. 18th. U.S. fighters
attacked mechanical transport and troops in the Sbeitla/

Feriana area,

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BRITISH MOST SECRET

U.S. SECRET

OPTEL No. 59

Information received up to 7 A.M., Ast February, 1943.
CORRECTION. OPTEL No. 56 - Information received up to 7 A.M.,
20th February, 1943, should have been OPTEL No. 58.
1. NAVAL

On the 14th one of H.M. Submarines possibly torpedoed & large ship
off CORFU. Amongst ships engaged in a promising attack on a U-boat northeast of
BENGHAZI yesterday WAS one of H.M. South African A/S Whalers.
2. MILITARY

TUNISIA. 9th. First Army. Our forward troops in the OUSSELTIA

Valley have been withdrewn from the Eastern to the Western line of hills. Allied
forces repelled a light enomy attack in the area northwest of KASSEROE. General
Alexander took over command of Tunisian front.
RUSSIA. In KURSK Province the Russians have occupied the district
and railway centre of KRASNAYB-YARUSA, 45 miles west-northwest of BYELGOROD. In
the KHARKOV Sector they have captured KRASNOGRAD and PAVLOGRAD. In the KUBAN

Bridgehead, in spite of continuing thaw, the Russians have not relaxed their
pressure.
3. AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 19th/20th. WILHELMSHAVEN. 350 tons H.E. and 500

tons incendiaries were dropped. Some cloud, ground haze and smoke screen, but

leading pathfinders identified the Bauhafen and dropped their markers accurately
on which most crews bombed though some managed to obtain visual identification of

certain land marks. Good fires appeared to be taking hold though accurate observation hampered by cloud and haze. A/A fire heavier than previous night, some
enemy fighters seen and one claimed destroyed. A total of 23 tons of bombs were
released by aircraft of Army Co-Operation Command during attacks on 3 transformer

stations on the LOIRE. Bursts were seen in the target area. 20th/21st. 18 aircraft laid 35 sea mines, one R.A.F. Wellington is missing.
BURMA. 19th. 10 escorted Blonhoims bombed objectives in the AKYAB

area. Fighters attacked railway and road transport in the same area and at MANDALAY.