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DIARY

Book 598

December 19 - 23, 1942

-BBook

Page

598

145

Brown, Louis
See Johns Manville Company
Brown, Prentise M.
See Michigan
Budget

For overtime pay - cut in personnel, see Treasury
Department

Business Conditions
Haas memorandum on situation, week ending December 19,

1942 - 12/22/42

-CChina

1937 Agreement extended for 6 months - 12/22/42
(See also Book 599, page 124)

214

-DDavis, Chester (President, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis)
Bankers' willingness to finance agricultural program
comparable to their willingness to push War Savings
drives - telegram to HMJr - 12/21/42
a) Copy to Wickard
de Sola Pool, Mrs. David

115
119

See Iraq

-FFinancing, Government

Federal Reserve operations in Government securities 10

12/19/42

War Finance: Loan flotations in United States during
previous wars - Haas memorandum - 12/23/42

281

War Savings Bonds:

December drive "shatters all financial records" Treasury release - 12/19/42
a) New York Federal Reserve District
congratulates HMJr - 12/23/42
b) Victory Fund organizations thanked by HMJr 12/23/42

c) International Business Machines Corporation
congratulates HMJr - 12/23/42
Radio Programs - cost of: Graves memorandum - 12/23/42..
a) HMJr-Graves conversation
b) Saturday P.M. 6-7 programs so bad HMJr plans to
cancel: See Book 599, page 33
c) Conference; present: HMJr. Gaston, Graves, Gamble,
Crampton, and Callahan - 12/28/42: Book 599, page 66

1) "Over Here" costs outlined: Book 599, page 73
.

2) "Bond Wagon"

: Book 599, page 180

6

288

291

292
293
263

- F - (Continued)
Financing, Government (Continued)

Book Page

War Savings Bonds (Continued)
Radio Programs (Continued):

d) Harold Thomas consulted about new programs 12/29/42: See Book 599, page 167
e) Most popular 1-hour and --hour programs:
Book 599, page 175

f) Bacher:Kuhn's "Who's Who": Book 599, page 178

g) Welch in charge in future - Mrs. HMJr to

advise: Book 599, page 179
h) Conference; present: HMJr, Murray, Rainey,
Graves, Gamble, Odegard, Kuhn, and Callahan 12/30/42: Book 600, page 6

1) Murray states his case: Book 600, page 25
a) Kuhn's telegram okaying program:
Book 600, page 192

2) Thomas (Harold) discusses Murray with
HMJr: Book 600, page 91

Wanders, George: HMJr thanks New York Herald-Tribune

for loan of - 12/23/42

598

298

Foreign Funds Control

Sterling Products: Harold Thomas's connection with
Treasury (War Savings Bonds) discussed by HMJr and
Pehle - 12/21/42

110,310

-GGrossman, Marc J.

Not available for Treasury appointment at present
time - 12/22/42

208

-IInternational Business Machines Corporation
See Financing, Government: War Savings Bonds

-JJohns Manville Company

Paul memorandum on discussion with Louis Brown (President)

on current tax situation - 12/22/42

198

Joint Committee on Taxation
See Revenue Revision

Legislation, Tax
See Revenue Revision
Lend-Lease

Report for week ending December 19, 1942 - 12/22/42

212

- L - (Continued)
Book Page

Lend-Lease (Continued)
United Kingdom:

Federal Reserve Bank of New York statement showing
dollar disbursements, week ending December 9, 1942 12/19/42

598

14

Aircraft despatched, week ending December 15, 1942 12/19/42.

19

-MMarshall, General George C.

Congratulates HMJr on successful financing and in
behalf of Army thanks him for support - 12/23/42
a) HMJr's reply - 12/30/42: See Book 600, page 55

304

Michigan

Branch bank situation discussed by Prentiss Brown, HMJr,
Bell, and Delano - 12/19/42
a) Brown-Treasury correspondence - 12/23/42
Military Reports

British operations - 12/19/42, etc

Highlights of the war news - 12/22/42, etc

1

300

21,22,160,
221,327
158,217,
219,325

Office of War Information report - Kuhn digest 12/21/42

161

Mint, Bureau of
See also Occupied Territories

Coinage of new penny of steel with coating of sinc

described to War Production Board - 12/23/42
Murray, William
See Financing, Government: War Savings Bonds (Radio Programs)

305

-0Occupied Territories
Minting of gold coins suggested to HMJr by Oscar Cox 12/22/42
Overtime Pay
See Treasury Department

144

-PPalestine

700 children of the Youth Aliyah in Tehran, Iraq -

transfer to Palestine discussed by HMJr and Welles

(Mrs. de Sola Pool's letter to Mrs. HMJr) - 12/22/42..

184

-RBook Page
Radio Programs

See Financing, Government: War Savings Bonds
Revenue Revision

Tax Legislation: Paul study of "constitutional and legal
basis for Treasury suggestions to Congress on tax

legislation" - 12/21/42

598

71

Supplement A of Internal Revenue Code amended by Section

228 of 1942 Revenue Act: Redefinition of base period
applicable in case of acquiring corporations - Senator

George-HMJr correspondence - 12/22/42

188

Joint Committee on Taxation: Legislation enabling
Committee to circumvent head of Department by securing
information from subordinate bureau, etc. - Barkley

criticism of - 12/22/42

194

-SSchwarz, Charles (Director of Public Relations, Treasury)
To clear speeches with Office of War Information beginning
January 1, 1943 - 12/22/42
Sterling Products

210

See Foreign Funds Control

-TTax Legislation

See Revenue Revision
Taxation
See Revenue Revision
Thomas, Harold

See Foreign Funds Control: Sterling Products
Treasury Department

Personnel, Equipment, etc.: Surplus to be checked

carefully by HMJr's instructions - 12/21/42

23

-UUnited Kingdom
See Lend-Lease
-WWanders, George

See Financing, Government: War Savings Bonds

War Finance

See Financing, Government
War Production Board

Coinage of new penny of steel with coating of zinc
described by HMJr - 12/23/42
War Savings Bonds

See Financing, Government

305

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December 19, 1942

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

On Friday, December 18, 1942, following the
conference with Senator Downey regarding applications

for branches for the Bank of America National Trust and
Savings Association, the Secretary requested Mr. Bell
and Mr. Delano to remain a few moments for a discussion

of the Michigan branch bank situation. Senator Brown
had previously mentioned the matter over the telephone

to the Secretary, indicating that he was interested in
two branches for the Michigan National Bank, and that
he thought they should be granted promptly in order

that they might become effective before the first of
the year. At the Secretary's request, Mr. Delano explained that the Michigan National was a branch system

operating in Michigan with its head office at Lansing
and branches at Saginaw, Grand Rapids, Flint, Marshall,

Port Huron (4) and Battle Creek (2). The system, which
is controlled by the Bohn Aluminum interests, has

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deposits of something over $80,000,000 and a capital

structure of $3,000,000. The Bohn interests have been
friendly to Senator Brown and the Administration, and

vigorously supported the Senator in the recent election.
Mr. Delano further explained that some few
weeks previously, the management of the Michigan National

had informally approached the Office of the Comptroller
of the Currency with a request for two branches, one in
Detroit and one in Bay City, both of which were to be
consummated by purchase of small existing banks in those
areas. Senator Brown, who accompanied the bank's

officers at the time of the informal request, had expressed himself as entirely disinterested in regard to
the Detroit branch, but hoped that something could be

done to pass favorably on the Bay City extension. A

review of the matter by the Office of the Comptroller

had resulted in a denial of the request for the Detroit
branch and a statement that the proposed Bay City branch

would be given careful consideration if a formal request
were forwarded. Subsequent to this denial as to Detroit,
which occurred on November 20, the Senator had approached

the Comptroller with a request that both branches be

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granted. He requested prompt action because of the
impending meeting of the State Legislature and the

probability that that body would pass legislation
prohibiting any further expansion of existing branch
systems.

Mr. Delano then reviewed the reasons for his

decision in denying the entry into Detroit and for his
opposition to granting the Bay City request. The
reasons as briefly summarized follow:
(1)

Very reliable sources clearly indicate
that the legislature which is to convene in

1943 will certainly pass legislation prohibiting the action under consideration. To grant
a branch expansion of any kind just prior to
the almost certain passage of such legislation
would be tantamount to thwarting the will of
the people of Michigan and would appear to be

indefensible from a public relations standpoint.
(2)

The granting of these two applications

for t he Michigan National, particularly in

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4

the matter of the one for Detroit, might well
be construed as inconsistent with our attitude
toward further branch expansion of the Bank
of America National Trust and Savings Association.
(3)

Certainly as regards Detroit, there is no

need of additional banking facilities. The
city has twelve (12) banks with over one hundred

(100) banking offices. The approval of the
application of the Michigan National Bank would

be equivalent to the authorizing of a new national
bank in Detroit.
(4)

The population of Lansing is about 77,000

and the population of Detroit is approximately

1,600,000. It is contrary to sound banking
supervisory policies as well as the theory and
function of branch banking to permit a bank

located in a place the size of Lansing to

establish a branch in a large industrial

center. One of the principal justifications

5

- 5for branch banking is the extension of banking
facilities to those communities which would not
otherwise have suitable and adequate facilities

to meet the existing needs. It is obvious that
the City of Detroit is not in need of such additional banking facilities as would be afforded
through the establishing of a branch of a bank
situated in a much smaller community, such as
Lansing.
(5)

Any further expansion of the Michigan National

at this time raises serious questions of technical
capitalization factors which could only be resolved
by a much larger increase in capital 8 tructure than
the bank has indicated its willingness to make.

Mr. Bell expressed himself as concurring in the

Comptroller's opinion, and after a further brief discussion,
it was the Secretary's decision that both branch applications should be denied.

Preriches llano

swB

Preston Delano

MONDAY A.M. RELEASE

12-21

ok 12-19-42
/sigh 6

All financial records of history have been shattered in the December Victory Fund Drive of the Treasury, which already has enlisted
$10,000,000,000 of borrowed funds in the war effort, or $1,000,000,000
more than the $9,000,000,000 mark set at the beginning of the campaign,
Secretary Morgenthau announced today. The sights have been raised,

he added, in the hope that the borrowing can be increased to $11,000,000,000
by the end of the month.

While banks were buying their upper limit of $2,000,000,000 of

7/8% certificates and other investors continued to place funds in all
available issues, the $9,000,000,000 aim was met late last week and the
gauge crept up to the $10,000,000,000 mark soon thereafter.

Although results of the drive are exceeding expectations, Secretary
Morgenthau urged redoubled efforts by the Victory Fund organization
and heavier purchases by investors, as a means of insuring that the

next drive can be postponed until late March or early April. Books
are being held open until the close of business December 23 for subscriptione by others than commercial banks to the three issues included in

the drive, while sales of tax savings notes and savings bonds will con-

tinue. All issues, including Treasury bills, are included in the
flotations from which the Treasury hopes to raise the total to $11,000,000,000
or more in December.

7

-2"I am deeply gratified by the superb public response to the monetary needs of our country in this war," Secretary Morgenthau said.

"This is the sort of news that Axis leaders dread to hear and that

they will not permit their misguided peoples to know. It is the sort
of news that inspires our associates of the United Nations. It will
reassure all soldiers who are fighting the good fight. The speedy
borrowing of the tremendous sum is a reflection of our American deter-

mination to win the war and win it quickly.
"Much more than $10,000,000,000 will be needed, and I urge every

American to dig deep into his pockets and buy more of the securities
that will remain available until December 23, and the tax notes and

savings bonds that will continue to be on sale. The funds are an indispensable means for making available the guns and ships, planes and

tanks, with which the armed forces of the United Nations will achieve
victory.
"The response by investors has been stimulated in large part by

the eager participation in the drive of many thousands of volunteer
workers drawn from the banking,securities, insurance and other fields.
These workers have well earned the thanks of the nation."

(more)

8

3-

The extent to which previous records have been exceeded is indicated

by comparison with the largest loan heretofore floated, which was the
$6,900,000,000 Fourth Liberty Loan raised in three weeks by the United

States Treasury in 1918. Together with tax and other receipts of about
$2,500,000,000, the estimated $11,000,000,000 of borrowing would draw

into the Treasury a total of about $13,500,000,000 in this single month.
The issues on which subscription books will remain open up to the
close of business December 23 for buyers other than commercial banks

are Victory two-and-one-half's due December 15, 1968, and callable
December 15, 1963; 1-3/4 percent bonds due June 15, 1948, and 7/8 per-

cent certificates of indebtedness due December 1, 1943. Treasury of-

ficials also stressed the continuing availability of tax savings notes
and savings bonds.

The hope was expressed that Christmas and other bonuses and monetary

gifts will be invested in securities of the United States Government.

(Insert formal announcement on bank subscriptions

to and allotments of 7/8 percent certificates.)

(more)

9

-Figures released by the Treasury show that the drive is successful
not only because of the amount involved, but also because of heavy pur-

chases of securities by others than commercial banks. One of the principal aims of the drive was to borrow a large proportion of the funds
from nonbanking sources, since that is the soundest and least inflation-

ary method of Treasury borrowing. Of the total sales of $
to the close of business December 18, about
banks and

percent was to commercial

percent to others.

Funds borrowed to and including December 18 from all sources, on

the different issues, are:
(Insert table)

The December drive was opened by President Roosevelt, when he

bought the first $1,000 Victory two-and-one-half from Secretary Morgenthau,

and declared that we must make our dollars "fighting dollars" by investing
them in Government securities. To the Victory Fund organization was as-

signed the task of placing with individual investors, business firms, institutions and banks the three series on which books will close December 23
and also tax savings notes and Series F and G savings bonds.

- 30 -

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FEDERAL RESERVE OPERATIONS IN GOVERNMENT SECURITIES

Page

Column A above Federal Reserve

Market purchases 1/

operations is millions of
dollars as follows

Column 3 above price changes is State.

Market sales V

Maturities.

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Last Week
Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Dec

Friday

Index

Saturday

This Week

Description

Full Feek

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

11

10

Thereday

Friday

Saturday

12

17

18

A
A

3

A

A

,

III. fax-exempt securities

Full Feek

16

15

19

Dec 14
A

,

Treasury notes

1-1/4
1-1/8

12-15

-30.8

6-15

-30.0

9-15
1-1/8

12-15
3-15

3/4

-1

+10.5

+1.0

+.2
+1.3

-

6-15

3/4

9-15

44

3-15

45

Treasury boads
-2

+3.5
+2.1

+1.3

+1.0

+14.8

3-3/89

+10.

3-1/4

10-15

3-1/4

4-15

+5.1

+3.0

2-3/4

+2.3

2-1/2

+1.2

3-3/4

.2

that

12-15

44.54

9-15

45-47

+1.0
+1.0

+1.2

+.3

+1.0

+3.4

+.2

+3.8

+.3

..5

3-15

3-1/8

Lin

+.8

43-65

+1.0

+.5

+1.0

12-15

+2.2
+1.3

43-47

6-15

6-15

46-48

6-15

46-49
47-52

10-15

+.7

*.5

+1.4

+.1
+.1

+.3

+.2

12-15

.9

+.5

+1.0

+3.8

3-15 48-51
9-15 48

2-3/4
2-1/2

+2.1

+4.2

+1.4
+1.8

+3.5

+1.2

+6.2

24

12-15

48-50

3-1/8

12-15

49-52

2-1/2
2-1/2

12-15

49-53

2-3/4

9-15 50-52
6-15 51-54
9-15 51-55

2-1/4

51-53

2-1/4

54-56

*1.0

+1.6

+1.9

+2.4

+1.4

+2.9

+2.9

+.3

+7.4
+5.0
+1.4

53.55
+1.0

-15 55-60

2-7/8
2-3/2

9-15 56-59
6-15 58-61

2-1/4
+2.1

2-3/4

60-65

12-15

+.7

+3.5

+.2

+.5

+.5

+.3

+2.4

Guaranteed securities
+.2

CCC

3/46

USHA

1-3/8

+.8

TTNC

+1.5

HOLD

TINC

44-64

3-1/4

+21.9

+9.0

+9.0

+.5

+.5

+1.0

44-52
+.1

45-47

HOLO

+21.9

+.2

2-1 44

+.9

+.5
+1

+1.1

+.2

All tax-exempt securities

*6.7

+7.2

+11.4

+10.1

+66.9

Market purchases
Market sales

+4.0

Maturities
+6.7

+7.2

+11.4

+10.7

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury. Division of Research and Statistics.
Less than $50,000.
1/

+66.9

Total net increase (+) or decrease (-)_

+8.0

+7.6

+9.6

+9.1

+2.5

+7.6

+9.6

+9.1

+2.5

#30.8
+1.0

-22.8

+40.8

-33.8

Original figures revised.

Purchases and sales recorded as of day of transaction and not day of delivery. Transactions after 4 e'clock are included is the next day

+10.0

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10
FEDERAL RESERVE OPERATIONS IN GOVERNMENT SECURITIES

Page 1

Column A above Federal Reserve

Marketable issues:
Market purchases y
Market sales 1/

operations is millions of
dellars as follows:

Special one-day certificates R/

Direct purchases free Treasury of
Materities

Net increase.
Net decrease

Column , above price changes is Sande

of

for all securities except certificates.

+

For certificates, Column , shows

yield changes is decimals.

-

Last Week
Monday

Wednesday

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Thursday

.

9

,

Dec.

fuesday

Friday

Saturday

Inde

Full Week

10

This Feek

Description

Monday

11

Tuesday

12

Dec. 14

Vednoolay

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

Full Week

15
16

A

3

A

3

,

3

A

,

A

,

A

,

A

A

17
18

-21.0

+54.5

+99.1

+.4

+3.3

+5.2

..5

+18.0

-30.8

-21.0

-20.5

4145.0
*117.2

Special one-day certificates:

+9.5

-28.5

+2.1

+6.3

Total not increase (+) or decrease (-)
Vednesday report of total portfolio

+12.9

-7.9

-2.7

-19.0

+2.1

+6.3

Market purchases
Market sales

-42.8
-51.8

+19.0

4345.0
-149.2

+27.2

+12.9

5537.0

+135.1

Total not increase (+) or decrease (-)

+12.5

+6.5

-.1

..

+5.5

-7.0

-14.7

-20.3

+15.6

+5.0

+1.5

+1.3

+3.8

029

+.2

2-1 43
5-1 43
8-1 43

5/85

+14.2

.65

+16.9

7/8

+11.7

+1.5

-35.4

+39.2

.025
.015

+2.0

11-1 43

7/8

3/4

3-15

1-1/4

3-15

02

025

.035

.015

+2.0

-015
.015

-4145.0

45

45

3-15

1-1/2

be

12-15

46

Treasury bonds
+4.0

1-3/4
+.4

6-15

+2.0

19

+1

+2

2-1/2
2-1/4

+2

*.8

*1.0

+1.5

4.6

9-15 49-51

18

+1.3

+1.3

be

6-15 49-51

2

+1.1

45-50

3-15

25

12

+.4

+.3

-10.0

44

12-15

1/4

+1.0

+10.4

4)

9-15

-1

+1.5

+16.6

.025

$4345.0

A/A

+1

+1.7

-22.0

-14.8

.02%

Treasury notes
-1

+.1

+53.8

-42.5

Special one-day certificates

-2

+.5

+10.4

-.015

7/8 1. 12-1 43**

-415.0

+16.6

-21.0

Certificates
+29.1
+.6

+6.6

5537.0

Maturities

+.4/-.02%
+.2

+101.2

Bills all issues combined

205.0
-67.2

+11.5

+.9

27.2

+16.1

-20.3

Net change

+312.3

-2-T

+13.0

+5.0

-14.7

11. Taxable securities

-4.5

+27.8

+.9

A

+120.1

-9.2

,

+63.7

NO

+7.9

-7.0

Maturities

-415.0

+37.3

A

-5.0

,

+16.6
5546.0

A

+173.0

+17.3

-.8

Direct purchases free Treasury

-2.7
+15.0

+19.8

3

+66.4

Market purchases
Market sales

-67.2

-2.7

A

+382.2

3

+19.0

A

+22.3

,

-28.5

A

+23.5

-4.5

,

+27.8

-21.0

19

A

+194.0

-9.2

I. Present
Marketable issues:

3

+95.6

2-1/2
2-1/2

12-15 49-51
3-15 50-52
12-15 51-55
3-15 52-94

6-15 52-55
3-15 56-58

+1

6-15 62-67

2-1/2 12-15 63-68

-1

+

+3.0
+3.0

2-1/2

9-15

+.2

+1

+1

DC 1-1/85 7-15

+1

4-15 44

EPC

+.2

67-72

Parenteed securities
000 1-1/8

+1

2-15

45
+1

+73.7
-9.2

+185.0

-21.0

All taxable securities
+21.1

+16.3

-5.5

+10.9

-28.5

+5.3

+315.3

-67.2

-2.7
-2.7
+64.5

+164.0

+15.0

+9.9

-12.2

+25.9

415.0
-6.7

Office
the$50,000.
Secretary of the Treasury Division of Research and Statistics.
Lessof
than
Not yet traded.

1/

Purchases

+1

Marketable Issues:
Market purchased

Market sales

Direct purchases free Treasury

+15.8
-.8

+9.3

-7.0

+6.5

-14.7

+18.1

-20.3

+10.4

Maturities

-21.0

Special one-day certificates:

-22.0

Net change
+245.4

Total not increase (+) or decrease (-)

+60.4

-42.8

44345.0

+15.0

+2.3

+109.6

Original figures revised.

R/ Transactions and are sales recorded as of day of transaction and not day of delivery. Transactions after 4 e'clock are included day.
entered as of the day fellowing that to which they apply. since data are not available until the fellowing is morning. the next

4145.0
-158.8

+18.1

+10.4

-3.4

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE

December 19, 1942
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Ferdinand Kuhn, Jr.

Regarding the distribution of the work I have
been doing, I would suggest that you give the following
assignments:

Savington Crampton:

(1) To handle the correspondence that has been coming

to me from Miss Chauncey's office, some of it con-

sisting of letters for your signature and a larger

number of letters to be written and signed on your

behalf.

(2) To receive visitors sent by your office.
(3) To continue as executive secretary of the committee
that has been working on public information on taxes

and inflation.

(4) To handle the clearance of speeches with O.W.I. All

Treasury speeches by the Secretary, the Under Secretary,
Assistant Secretaries and the General Counsel should

be referred to Mr. Crampton, who will clear them with
Mr. John R. Fleming's office at O.W.I. Mr. Fleming's

office, in turn, will refer to Mr. Crampton all

Government speeches bearing on Treasury problems;

Mr. Crampton will circulate them among the appropriate
Treasury officials, and will S end their comments or
suggestions back to Mr. Fleming.

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Peter Odegard:

(1) To direct the writing of public messages signed by
the Secretary in connection with War Bonds. This
applies equally to telegrams or letter-messages which
go out to individuals or groups over the Secretary's
signature. Except for routine telegrams, such as
those to factories, the public messages should be
submitted to the Secretary before being sent;
Mrs. Klotz will help in rush cases where a deadline
has to be met.

(2) To handle all Treasury relations with O.W.I. except
in matters of speech clearance.
(3) To mark passages of O.W.I. Intelligence Reports or

other public opinion surveys if he thinks the Secretary

would be interested in them.
Harold Mager:

(1) To prepare the Secretary's public speeches and to
assist in the preparation of other formal statements.
The best \procedure on speeches will be as follows:

The Secretary will "talk" his ideas to Mr. Mager,

who will discuss the problem with Mr. Gaston and

Mr. Odegard and then write a first draft; the first
draft will then be shown to the Secretary, to see

whether it meets his ideas in A general way; Mr. Mager

will then write a second draft, and will circulate

it among members of the Secretary's staff for their
comments and suggestions. Successive drafts, if

necessary, can be worked out in group discussion

with the Secretary.

(2) To write or assist in the writing of speeches or
articles for other Treasury officials who ask for
his help.

Herbert Gaston:

To edit, for style and content, all speeches other than
the Secretary's, and. to approve them for policy. These
speeches shall not be made unless Mr. Gaston approves
the manuscript.
F.K.

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SIGNATURE OFFICE or - SECURIARY

December 19. 1948

Received this date from the Federal Receive
Bank of New York, for the confidential informaties of the Secretary of the treasury. compilation
for the week ended December 9. 1942, showing

dollar disbursements out of the British Repiro and

French assounts as the Federal Reserve Bank of
New Test and the means by which those expenditures
were financed.

(Init.) E.M.D.

ime:12/21/42

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0

P

Y

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

December 18, 1942

CONFIDENTIAL

Dear Mr. Secretary:

Attention: Mr. H. D. White

I em enclosing our compilation for the week ended
December 9, 1942, showing dollar disbursements out of the

British Empire and French accounts at this bank and the
means by which these expenditures were financed.

Faithfully yours,
/s/ L. W. Knoke
L. W. Knoke,

Vice President.
The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
Enclosure

Copy: imc :12/21/42

e
ANALYSTS OF STITH AND PRESCH ACCOUNTS

(In Millions of Dollars)

CREDITS

Proceeds of

Gov't
PERIOD

Total
Debits

Expendi-

Other

Total
Credits

First o AN

tures(a) Debits
1,793.2
605.611.187.611.828.

December, 1940

3,792.3
2,203.0
W235.6

ar period through

year of wart
MIR year of warth
Sepond

1,425.6 1,356.7
1,792.2
AO
904,8

330.1

Sales of
Securities
Official)(b)
Gold
52.0
1,356.1

Other
Candita(c)

a

BANK

BANK OF ENCLAND (BRITISH GOVERNMENT

DEBITS

December 9, 1942

Wook Ended

Net Incr.
(+) or
Door. (-)

Proceeds

Cover

Total
Debd ta

35.0

FRANCE

CREDITS

ORBITS
Other

tures (o)

$40.80

Debits
4991

Total

of Gold

Credits

Sales

900.2

2,793.1

2,109.5

108.0

575.6

10.8

878.3

421.4

456.9

2.189

1.193.7

274.0

722.1

13%

38.9

4.8

34.1

8.8

-

18.5

4.4

-

0.4

-

0.3

-

$1,361.5

27.8

5.5

$1,334.2

$125.9

18.5

-

0.5

81.1

10.1

57.5

25.5
10.8

22.3

+.37.6

0.1

8.2

0.1

-

Other

Credits

900.2
1,098.4

56.1
46.7

37.1

19.0

27.4

19.3

81.6
57.5

39.7

23.2

16.5

77.3

Nov 18

12.8

6.0

25

B.4

Dec. 2

8.4

2.4
4.3

2.2

2.7

Oct. Oct, 28

Oct. 29 - Dec. 2
Dec. 3-Dec. 30

-

JS

NEEK ENDED:

9

6.8
1.0
4.1

in

Average Weekly Expenditures Since Outbreak of War

21.0
23.3
20.4

21.0
23.3
20.4

12.0

13.7(1) 6.5

13.2

France (through June 19, 1940) 199.6 Utilion
England (through June 19, 1940) 27.6 million
England (since June 19, 1940) 33.1 million
*For monthly breakdown see tabulationsprior to April 23, 1941

+14.9

10.1

-

-

0.1

-

198.2

-

-

-

-

8.8

30.1

4.4

- 14.1

0.4

- 97

0.3

+ 0.2

onFor monthly breakdown see tabulationsprior to October B, 1941.
seeFor monthly breakdown see tabulations prior to October 14, 1942.
(See attached sheet for other footnotes)

Cumulation from July 6, 1940

O.

-

-

-

Transfers from Brittsh Purchasing Commission to
Bank of Canada for French Account
Week ended December 9. 1942

+220.1

-0.1

0.1

-

-

0.3

Net Incr.
(+) or
Dear. (-)
in $ Funds (d)
CUSTO

1074

Sept. Sept. 30

Strictly
Confi

162.7

million
million

(a) Includes payments for account of British Purchasing Commission, British Air Ministry, British Supply Board, Ministry of
Supply Timber Control, and Ministry of Shipping.
(b) Estimated figures based on transfers from the New York Agency of the Bank of Montroll, which apparently represent the

proceeds of official British sales of American securi ties, including those effected through direct negotiation. In addition

to the official selling, substantial liquidation of securities for private British account occurred, particularly during the

early months of the war, although the receipt of the proceeds at this Bank cannot be identified with any accuracy. According
to data supplied by the British Treasury and released by Secretary Worgenthau, total official and private British liquidation
of our securities through December, 1940 amounted to $334 million.
(c) Includes about $85 million received during October, 1939 from the accounts of British authorised banks with New York banks,
presumably reflecting the requisitioning of private dollar balances. Other large transfers from such accounts since October,
1939 apparently represent the acquisition of proceeds of exports from the sterling area and other currently accruing dollar
receipts.

(d) Reflects changes in all dollar holdings payable on demand or maturing in one year.
(e) Includes payments for account of French Air Commission and French Purchasing Commission.

(f) Adjusted to eliminate the effect of $20 million paid out on June 26, 1940 and returned the following day.
(g) Includes $3.8 million deposited by British Ministry of Supply
2.9 million to be held for credit of U. S. armed forces abroad
3.0 million proceeds of Australian wool purchased by Defense Supplies Corp.

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Strictly

ANALYSIS OF CANADIAN AND AUSTRALTA ACCOUNTS

(In Millions of Dollars)

Proceeds

to

Total
PERIOD

First of ware
or period through
. 1940

year of -

of areas

Sept... Sept. 30
- Oct.

Dec.
Dea.

2

British

of

Other

Total

323.0

16.6

Credits
306.4 504.7

477.2
460.4

16.6

460.6

525.8

0.3

Debits

A/C

-

46.3

-

44.9

Debits

460.4
525.5
46.3
44.9

43.2

BBITS

CREDITS

Transfers

Official

COMMON BANK OF AUSTRALIA (and Australian Government)

CANADA (and Canadian Government)

OF

Gold

Transfers from official
British A/C
For Own

For French

Other

Credits

Dr Ponda
181.7

A/C

20.9

38.7

707.4
462.0

534.8
246.2

110.7

41.0

230.2

123.9

88.5

566.3

198.6

20.9
3.4
7.7

53.6
51.5

13.2
16.6

43.7

65.2

3.6

14.7
16.4
14.3

A/C

of

Other

Total

Debita
27.3

Credit

Gold
Sales
30.0

57.9
72.2

14.5

43.4

62.4

50.1

1.6

16.7

55.5

81.2

62.9

360.0

40.5

107.2

57.6

49.8

112.2

17.2

-

40.4

7.3

28.0

20.5

7.5

18.1

-

-

34.9

6.6

14.3

12.0

2.3

14.6

-

21.5.

7.4

5.0

2.4

9.3

-

11.0

Total
Dabita

Proceeds

3.9

-

-

to

Official
British

31.2

-

32.4

54.2

36.1

-

Other

Credits

Net Incr.
(+) or
Dear. (-)

6.1

+4.9

12.3
18.3
95.0

+9.0

18.1

-99

14.6
9.3

+ 4.5

-5.0

+0.3
+1.9

30

ORDER

25
2

9

3.6
12.3
15.3
11.000)

-

-

12.3
15.3

-

Nov. 18
Dec.

Net Incr.
(+) or
Dear. (-)

Sales
112.7

A/C

CREDITS

Transfers

+

BANK

+

DEBIT

Confidential

Week Ended December 9. 1942

-

11.0

2.8

M

2.6
2.8

15.1(b) 2.8

Average of Total Debits Since Outbreak of War

aroug December 9, 1942 8.3 Ention

#For monthly breakdown see tabulations prior to April 23, 1941.
eePor monthly breakdown 500 tabulations prior to October 8, 1961.
monthly breakdown see tabulations prior to October 14, 1942.
(a)Bafleets changes in all dollar holdings payable on domand or sturing in one year.
(b)Does not reflect transactions in U. S. Treasury bills.
(© )Includes $7.8 million deposited by War Supplies, Ltd.

(d)Includes $8.0 million held for credit of U. S. armed forces abr

11.9
13.8
11.5

12.3(e

+11.1

+ 4.1

0.5
0.3

1.0

5.5.

4.1

0.5

5.0

0.5

04

0.3
0.5

5.5
2.1

0.5

8.3

0.4
-

-01

5.5

+5.2

2.1
8.3(d

+7.8

3.4

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BRITISH AIR COMMISSION
1785 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE
WASHINGTON, D. c.
TELEPHONE HOBART 9000
EASE QUOTE

FERENCE NO

With the compliments of British Air Commission
who enclose Statement No. 64 - Aircraft Despatched
- for week ended December 15, 1942.

The Honourable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury
WASHINGTON, D. C.

December 19, 1942.

LOST SECRET

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STATEMENT NO. 64
AIRCRAFT DESPATCHED FROM THE UNITED STATES

WEEK ENDED DECEMBER 15.1942
TYPE

DESTINATION

ASSEMBLY
POINT

BY

BY

FLIGHT DEL'D

SEA

AIR

FOR USE IN CA

Boeing

FortressII

U.K.

Canada en route

2

Consolidated

Catalina IB

U.K.

Bermuda on route

U.K.

Canada en route

13

Douglas

Boston IIIA

4

Curtiss
Kittyhawk

Middle East

Port Sudan

14

U.K.

10

Grumman

Martlet

U.K.

Lockheed

Hudson VI
Ventura

West Africa

S. Africa

Freetown

S. Africa

5

2

Glenn Martin

Baltimore IIIA Middle East

Middle East

12

North America

Harvard II

New Zealand

Wellington

8

Vultee
Vengeance

India

TOTAL

Movement Division

British Air Commission

December 19th, 1942.

Bombay

20

52

38

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BRITISH MOST SECRET
U.S. SECRET

COPY NO.

13

OPTEL NO. 438

Information received up to 7 A.M. 19th Dec.
1.

NAVAL

One of H.M. destroyers was torpedoed and sunk west of

Oran yesterday. Six officers including the Captain and 167

Ratings were rescued. Another of H.M. submarines sank a
Southbound ship and possibly a second in Central Med, on 14th
2.

MILITARY

Libya. Advanced U.K. light armoured elements
reached Nofilia Area night 16th and were joined there by a
brigade of N.Z. Division morning 17th. These units engaged
enemy in this area during afternoon and evening when our
advanced forces were ten miles West of Nofilia but enemy units

in Nofilia and vicinity were still under fire from our troops

and appeared to be withdrawing Westwards. Damage and

casualties inflicted on enemy in this area and some prisoners
taken. Considerable enemy M.T. movement Westwards between
Sirte and Buerat.
3.

AIR OPERATIONS

Western Front. 18th. 11 enemy aircraft operated
over Coastal Districts in Kent and Sussex. One was destroyed
by our fighters one of which is missing. At Eastbourne bombs
were dropped in the shopping centre. Twenty persons were
killed and ten are missing. A Whitley engaged on air Searescue 200 miles West of St. Nazaire was attacked by enemy
aircraft. The Whitley damaged two J U 881s and later destroyed
one F W 190, a second F W 190 being shot down by a destroyer.

Tunisia. 17th. U.S. bombers attacked Tunis.

Bostons bombed an airfield near Tunis, 17th/18th.
Malta. Wellingtons dropped 22 tons of bombs on Tunis

and La Goulette. Large fires were started at a fuel storage

depot and hits were seen in the docks.

Sicily. 17th/18th. Beaufighters destroyed two

J U 52's taking off from Castelvetrano and made several hits on
seaplanes at Marsala.

Med. 18th. 4 Italian transport S M 82's probably
carrying troops, were intercepted in the Sicilian Channel.
was destroyed. The other three were severely damaged by
Beaufighters one of which is missing.

One

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COPY NO.

13

BRITISH MOST SECRET
U.S. SECRET

OPTEL No. 439

Information received up to 7 A.M., 20th December, 1942.
1. NAVAL

It is reported that a Russian Warship has sunk an enemy 8,000 ton

transport in the BLACK SEA.

ATTACKS ON SHIPPING. During the week 12th to 18th 13 ships were

reported to have been torpedoed - a British tanker (still afloat), a Norwegion
tanker, a British and a Belgian ship in convoy in North-Western Approaches, one

British and one Dutch ship in the Fest Atlantic, one British ship (which later
arrived in port) in the Azores area; a British ship and & Norwegian tanker in the
Indian Ocean, and a British and a Norwegian ship in the South Atlantic. Two other

British ships are presumed sunk by submarines, probably in the South Atlantic.
In addition, one Norwegian was sunk and 3 British ships were damaged by human tor
pedoes in ALGIERS Bay, and a French ship was sunk by aircraft near BOUGIE. One

British ship, torpedoed in November, has reached port. One United States, 1

Russian, 1 Eirean and 6 British ships previously reported overdue are now presumed
lost.

2. MILITARY

LIBYA. Early on 18th NOFILLIA was finally cleared of the enemy.
His troops continued to withdraw along the constal road throughout the day and by
afternoon were west of SULTAN. 2nd New Zealand Division continued their advance
and vy evening were about 25 miles east od SULTAN.

RUSSIA. In the Middle Don area, Russian troops have launched an
offensive and occupied the towns of NOYX, NOVAYA, KALITVAAY, KANTE24IROVKA and BOGUHA

and the district centers of TALY, RADCHENSKOE and VOKOVSKAYA, Southwest of STALINGRAD, the increased German thrust may have made progress.

BURMA. Our troops have advanced to E point on the KALAPANZIN River

10 miles south of BUTHIDAUNG. They are not repeat not in touch with the Japanese

who have withdrawn towards AKYAB.
3. AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 19th. 6 enemy aircraft crossed the south coast.

Enemy casualties 3, 1, 2. 19th. 15 aircraft were sent sea mining.

TONISIA. 17th GABES and SIDI TABET airfield (northwest of TUNIS)
were each attacked by 12 United States Bostons at night. 3 Bisleys were destroyed
on the ground at CANROBERT.

18th/19th. Wellingtons dropped 20 tons of bombs on the docks at
TUNIS and LA GOULETTE with good effect. United States Liberators from LIBYA
attacked SOUSSE Harbour starting a large fire.
MALTA. 18th. At about 10 p.m. 40 Junkers 88 made low-level bombing

attacks in bright moonlight upon our airfield. One was shot down. At LUQA, 7 Voilingtons were destroyed on the ground and 4 aircraft damaged.
MEDITERRANEAN. 19th. Melta Fighters shot down 5 enemy transport

aircraft. One Fighter missing.

TRIPOLITANIA. 18th. Fighter-bombers attacked enemy mechanical
transport in the SULTAN area with good results.

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December 21, 1942
9:30 a.m.
GROUP

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Buffington

Mr. Odegard

Mr. Sullivan
Mr. Kuhn
Mr. Thompson
Mr. Schwarz

Mr. Blough
Mr. Haas

Mr. Cairns
Mr. Paul
Mr. White
H.M.JR: Norman?

MR. THOMPSON: It might be of interest to know

that our staff of administrative men in the field

gathering in equipment, have picked up seven thousand

four hundred and six pieces - typewriters, adding
machines, file cases, and so on.
H.M.JR: Pillow cases? (Laughter)

MR. THOMPSON: File cases. They have a value of

two hundred and sixty-nine thousand dollars, turning

practically all of it over to the Public Debt and
Internal Revenue.

H.M.JR: This is just Treasury?
MR. THOMPSON: Just Treasury. We are surveying

all of our field activities to get the maximum use and
pick up all surplus equipment.

H.M.JR: Well, speaking on that, the other day
the President was going around talking about extra

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Government people. He first said - we were talking
about freezing the people in their jobs, and manpower,
and so forth - "And then to take Justice, for instance,
with Immigration - they have nothing to do, of course.
And the Attorney General fell for the bait, and he made
a passionate speech about what he was doing.
He said, "Look at Custome."

I said, "I am not going to answer you.' The fact

was, I didn't know.

He said, "The people used to come in; they would
rush down to the docks and examine their baggage - and
now what are they doing?"

MR. BELL: Port work, aren't they?
MR. THOMPSON: Yes - the exports. The exports are

pretty near taking up as much--

H.M.JR: Does anybody go through Customs, people

like that in the various bureaus, to see-time.

MR. THOMPSON: Yes, they are being checked all the
H.M.JR: Whom by?

MR. THOMPSON: Our people are checking all their
equipment, and so on.
H.M.JR: When you take the equipment, what about
the people who work?

MR. THOMPSON: Mr. Gaston has his people going
through and checking.

H.M.JR: Does anybody sort of - as an outsider,
so to speak, so somebody doesn't do it to us - catch us?

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MR. THOMPSON: No, we haven't done that recently -

kept a close check on that.

H.M.JR: Any Bureau of Efficiency people left who

are working, Dan?

MR. THOMPSON: Harold Graves is the only one left
around here. But we have some very good men being

trained and brought into that.

H.M.JR: All right. Supposing you make a couple
of people responsible directly to me and let them start
just as soon as possible. Will you do that?
MR. THOMPSON: Yes, sir.

We also have some major space moves in the field

in connection with Internal Revenue. The plan will be
to move out of Federal buildings the Revenue offices

where there isn't sufficient space in the building to

expand. Where there is space available by moving out

other activities, we will do that. In Boston we are
moving the Collector out of the Federal Building into

other space; but that is being worked out. We have
had meetings with Public Buildings and the Post Office
and Internal Revenue. It is going along nicely.
H.M.JR: I still think there should be somebody go
through before somebody else does it for us.
MR. THOMPSON: We are going to have to go through

the whole Department in our budget operations in fight-

ing the cut because of this salary raise.

H.M.JR: That was the whole - what the President
wanted to do was to give them the salary raise and then
lay off enough personnel so there would not be any increase in the pay roll. He had the memorandum from
the Bureau of the Budget asking for - saying every
department should lay off enough people so there would

be no increase in the pay roll.

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I said, "That is impossible." Nobody said a word.
I said, "What you should do is hold each head of
the department responsible. In some places he can do it;
in some he can't. If the head of the department isn't
any good, you ought to let him go. But to make an all-

out ruling like that is just unfair.

MR. THOMPSON: It is unfair, and goes too far. If

we have a forty-eight hour week we will have a twentyone percent increase.

H.M.JR: I said, "Why don't you start with the
Bureau of the Budget; find out what they can do." (Laughter)
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with

Senator Walter George.)

H.M.JR: I think it is worth the effort.
MR. SULLIVAN: You bet.

H.M.JR: Don't anybody breathe this. I think it
is worth the effort. I was amazed that the President

said he would let me show it to him. We have never done
that before.

MR. SULLIVAN: He almost didn't Let us see it last
year.

H.M.JR: I think it is the right thing to do.
MR. SULLIVAN: I think this is a lot better than
if he were up on the Hill and you were going up there.
It means more.

MR. ODEGARD: I will say it means more.

H.M.JR: I was amazed that the President said O.K.
He said he thought it would be fine.

Roy? Don't you think Roy looks a little airsick?
(Laughter)

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MR. BLOUGH: No, I am thinking of a little agenda

I hope you take up with him. I think you ought to go
into a good many things he has in his mind, as well as

you have on your mind.

H.M.JR: You would go along with us.

MR. BELL: You got yourself into it there. (Laughter)
H.M.JR: At least I could learn my homework on the

way down.

MR. BLOUGH: That is what you meant by "airsick" you know that-- (Laughter)

H.M.JR: We don't tell on each other, do we? (Laughter)
MR. THOMPSON: That is all I have.

MR. BELL: We have had a number of letters from

bankers objecting to the advertising that the Farm
Credit agencies put out to get loans from them - from
the farmers into these credit agencies. Now, it comes

from Chester Davis, Federal Reserve Bank, St. Louis.
He says that Hemingway is receiving a lot of complaints -

and particularly this program that Wickard now is starting - the Food for Freedom. He has put out some sort

of a booklet or pamphlet, and in that he says that the

Farm Credit and Farm Security are sources of local
credit. They have said nothing about the bank credit,
and apparently the whole West - the banking areas - are
pretty much up in arms. They say they are cooperating
with you in your program, and wondered if you wanted to
say something to Wickard about it. That is a telegram
that came in Saturday from Chester Davis.

H.M.JR: Let me have it. (Telegram handed to the
Secretary by Mr. Bell.)
MR. BELL: We have had a number of letters on that
and merely referred them to Governor Black, coming from
Kansas and Missouri, particularly.

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6H.M.JR: I will take care of it.
MR. BELL: The Bank of Morocco asked us to repro-

duce their Moroccan franc notes. We could not to It;
neither could the American Banknote Company. We suggested
a new type of currency, and said if they wanted to do that
we would give them all the help we could. We suggested
they designate somebody in the United States to talk
to us about it. They have designated a gentleman by
the name of Maurice Boyer, whom we don't like very well,

but I guess we will have to talk to him.
H.M.JR: Who is Maurice Boyer?

MR. BELL: I have got several memoranda on him.

He is a representative of a bank in Paris and also
represents some interests in North Africa. Foreign

Funds has quite a bit on him. I don't think that we

can do much other than guide the negotiations. The
Bureau of Engraving and Printing would take months to
reproduce these notes. I think the American Banknote
Company really ought to do it.

H.M.JR: Well, I would not fool around with it.
If they want it - I mean, if they want new stuff, I

would give it to them.

MR. BELL: It would have to be new stuff; we couldn't

reproduce the old.

(Mr. Paul entered the conference.)

H.M.JR: Don't let this thing sort of hang fire.
MR. BELL: No, no. I just got this this morning.
Here is a letter that a gentleman wrote me from

Minneapolis on the sale of farms, and so forth, in the
territory. I don't know whether you would like to have
it - it is a manpower problem, rather interesting.

(Letter from the Northwest Bancorporation, Minneapolis,
dated December 15, handed to the Secretary by Mr. Bell.)

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H.M.JR: Harry?

MR. WHITE: You asked me to inform Phillips
about the correction statement.

I did not do so yet because I wanted to raise the

question whether it is desirable to do so. I don't
think he would like that correction. I think he would
prefer to let the matter stand as is.
I think that merely. raising the subject with him

will merely stir up a hornet's nest. So, if it is all
right with you, let's let it ride.
H.M.JR: O.K.

MR. WHITE: You have here a letter from Hull with
regard to the financial assistance of the Greek Govern-

ment.

Bell has seen the Greek minister, and what I

suggest is that we prepare a letter raising some further
questions as to their financial assistance and then you
probably call a meeting, because it states here that

the President has decided that some arrangement must
be made by which the Greek Government can be kept going.

It is our view they can be kept going without
additional assistance, but rather than take that

position, draft a letter which will raise further
questions.

MR. BELL: Keep 'em rolling. (Laughter)
H.M.JR: O.K.

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-8H.M.JR: Should you be here today?

MR. SCHWARZ: The doctor said it was all right that the cold weather would keep down the fever. (Laughter)
H.M.JR: Have you a fever now?
MR. SCHWARZ: No. The New York papers are late on

the train, but the plane looks pretty good.

(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Mr. Doughton.)

MR. PAUL: Is George still down there?
H.M.JR: Yes.
MR. PAUL: He was supposed to be back.

H.M.JR: You told me that he would be back this
morning.

MR. PAUL: I said that because he was to be back

in two weeks.

H.M.JR: Anyway, I thought it would be good ball.
I got the President's enthusiastic approval to discuss
this thing with them.
I want to clean up my work by Wednesday noon, if

possible, SO I think you and this intrepid flyer, Roy
Blough - I wish you had seen the color of Roy's com-

plexion when he heard the wind was blowing strong down

there in Georgia. I don't know from what direction,

over what manure pile. (Laughter)

MR. PAUL: When do you want to leave?

H.M.JR: Right after lunch.
This isn't premeditated, because I was amazed that

the President - I have been worrying about this thing, the

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-9difference between the Treasury and other agencies,

and different things, on the theory that we can make
progress fastest by getting together Tirstest," " and

the President liked it. So my thought was that if we

get the weather report we would leave right after lunch,
and you, Roy, and I could talk about it all the way
down there.

MR. PAUL: All right, assuming we are able to

talk. (Laughter)

H.M.JR: Now, listen, I just want this to be understood. I am now calling for volunteers. Nobody has to

go. (Laughter)

MR. PAUL: I didn't say that I didn't want to go.
H.M.JR: Have you had your coffee this morning?

MR. PAUL: I am just replying to your observation
about our talking all the way down.
H.M.JR: Have you had your coffee this morning?
MR. PAUL: I have had some.

H.M.JR: Great enthusiasm around here, isn't there?

(Laughter)

MR. SCHWARZ: That is all. The New York papers

should be here in about half an hour.

H.M.JR: I gave several suggestions yesterday-MR. SCHWARZ: He checked with me this morning.

H.M.J JR: about getting this stuff overseas.
MR. SCHWARZ: OWI has sent that out, and Army
and Navy.

H.M.JR: Do you know the fellow he mentioned who

was in charge of the overseas office in OWI?

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- 10 MR. SCHWARZ: Plummer is on the domestic desk;

George McMillan, I believe, is on the overseas. I

will call him further, but he did send it out.
H.M.JR: Don't call him unnecessarily.

MR. SCHWARZ: I talked with the Army people who
take care--

H.M.JR: But the point is, I ought not to have to
do this. I sit home and I think about it; nobody
thinks about this stuff for me.
MR. SCHWARZ: We reminded them that sometimes it

is a special-H.M.JR: Look, Chick, nothing is done, but in the
future let's do something. This was a good story for

our Allies and our armed forces, but nobody made any

effort to see that it went out.

MR. SCHWARZ: We sent out to the labor press and
asked them for help.

H.M.JR: Nobody is sitting back and seeing what
is good for overseas that the Treasury does. Nobody
has done a damned thing about it.
MR. SCHWARZ: We sent a number of stories to them

that they have sent out.

H.M.JR: Here was a particular story, this financial
story, that should have gone over. In the future I am
sure you will.

MR. SCHWARZ: We will check it.

MR. HAAS: I have nothing.

H.M.JR: I am right, nobody has made a particular

effort to get this overseas.

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-11- -

MR. KUHN: I only know of that one, your WinstonSalem speech, and they were very glad to get that.
H.M.JR: Which I had to ask to be done by the

Treasury. Here is another one which should go over.
MR. SCHWARZ: We send them stuff, I would say,

about four or five a week.

H.M.JR: Schaeffer said there had been no effort
made.

MR. SCHWARZ: I have been sending a lot of it

directly. I sent the Winston-Salem speech over.

H.M.JR: After I had asked for it.
MR. SCHWARZ: I believe before.
H.M.JR: Anyway, we always end up the same way,

Chick. In the future, will you please do something
about it.

MR. SCHWARZ: We will watch them early and often.

H.M.JR: You are not feeling well; I won't start

anything.

George?

MR. HAAS: I have nothing, sir.
MR. BLOUGH: Nothing.

H.M.JR: Peter? Where are Harold Graves and Gamble?
MR. ODEGARD: They are on their way back from

Chicago.

H.M.JR: When will they get back?
MR. ODEGARD: They should have been back this morn-

ing, but I assume the trains are late. They will be

back some time this morning, God willing.

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- 12 H.M.JR: O.K.

MR. KUHN: I have nothing.
MR. CAIRNS: Nothing.

H.M.JR: If you stay behind a minute - I want to
talk to you.
MR. PAUL: Shall I take up--

H.M.JR: No, I mean Huntington. I want to talk

to Huntington.

What have you got, Randolph?

MR. PAUL: I have a letter that came to me from
Senator Maybank about t he twenty-five thousand limitation.

I think it is really John's letter.

H.M.JR: I sent it in to Norman Thomspon and said

to find out who it was for.

MR. THOMPSON: It didn't come to me.

H.M.JR: I didn't know whether it went to Paul or

Sullivan. Didn't I ask you?
MR. THOMPSON: No.

H.M.JR: Maybe I asked somebody in your office.
MR. PAUL: You asked me to speak to you about a
chap named Ellis of the Peabody Coal Company. It is page

two of something. I don't'know what-H.M.JR: What?

MR. PAUL: There is another thing you sent me about
a Peabody up in Chicago. It is the second page of some

sort of a report.

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- 13 H.M.JR: He is complaining about - he wanted to
pay them war bonds as a bonus of some kind. Isn't
that the one?

MR. PAUL: He is complaining that he didn't get
proper attention in the Chicago office.
H.M.JR: Is that Sullivan?
MR. SULLIVAN: That is mine. (Second page of mail

report handed to Mr. Sullivan by Mr. Paul; also letter

from Senator Maybank to the Secretary, dated December 17,

1942.)

H.M.JR: But he wants to do something about Christmas

or something. He said that they were understaffed there.
MR. SULLIVAN: The only office that we have had any

criticism about is Chicago. I had three others like that.

Before this came in I talked with the Commissioner about
sending some extra people out there, and I am talking with
him again this morning. The other offices are doing very

well, but I have had three just like this on that same office.
MR. PAUL: One more thing I want to raise sometime

is this matter of extending the time to file corporate

returns.

MR. SULLIVAN: We are very strong for that, Mr.

Secretary.

H.M.JR: That doesn't have to be - when do you have

to let the corporations know? It is the 15th of March,

isn't it? Let's postpone that.

MR. SULLIVAN: There isn't anything pressing about

it; but along the line of helping business with all they
are up against, it is very important that we be realistic
about that this year.
H.M.JR: Take itup with me early next week, will
you?

MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, sir.

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- 14 MR. PAUL: I have an answer to Senator George

which we can discuss, I imagine, on the plane.
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. BUFFINGTON: This is a colored cartoon from

the "Tribune." (Cartoon from the "Chicago Tribune"

handed to the Secretary.)

H.M.JR: They have been very good, amazingly good.
MR. BUFFINGTON: The Chicago Fed has asked if there

would be any objection to writing them a letter in view
of their cooperation. They have apparently done a good
deal during this Victory Fund Drive.

H.M.JR: Let the Chicago Fed write them a letter.
MR. BUFFINGTON: That is all.

MR. SULLIVAN: If you get to discussing the Victory
Tax with Senator George, I think you ought to be brought
up to date on the attack the southern churches are making
on that.

The General Association of Kentucky Baptists have

published this statement, that the Victory Tax Bill must
be altered or else we face almost certainly the spectacle

of seeing Baptists go to jail in America for their religious beliefs. (Laughter)
The vice president of the Baptist General Convention

of Texas says: "It is the first time in the history of
of the bill is a clear violation of the separation of

America that the churches have been invaded. The provision

the church and state and the Bill of Rights. Furthermore
it opens our churches to bureaucratic control. This gives
the federal government the right to check church finances."

H.M.JR: Don't give it to me; give it to one of my

assistants who are going down with me. (Paper entitled
"Religious News Dispatches" handed to Mr. Paul.)
MR. PAUL: We have had a lot of this, all because

they have to collect the tax on the ministers' salaries

at the source.

37

- 15 MR. SULLIVAN: I have got to do some work in

Brooklyn, New York, and I think I will get up there
this noon and do it today and tomorrow. As long as
you are going to be away, this is as good a time as
any.

H.M.JR: Are you going to be here?
MR. BELL: Yes, sir.
H.M.JR: When do we meet, Paul and all of you are you fellows ready, or aren't you ready?
MR. PAUL: We were to meet at ten, I thought.

H.M.JR: I also understood-MR. BELL: We were to meet at nine this morning,
but everybody was held up.

H.M.JR: Why don't you meet in Bell's office

now and give me a breathing spell?

MR. BELL: We have a draft, but it hasn't been
gone over. We went over it Saturday afternoon.

H.M.JR: All right, we will meet pretty soon.

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December 21, 1942

9:41 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Senator George.

HMJr:

Hello.

Senator
George:

Hello.

HMJr:

Henry Morgenthau.

G:

Yes, Henry. How are you, sir?

HMJr:

Fine. We're kind of freezing up here. It's

G:

HMJr:

G:

HMJr:

about zero.

Well, it's pretty cold here.
Good. Walter, I spoke to the President last

night and asked him whether it would be -- can
you hear me all right?
Yes, I can hear you.
I am seeing him Wednesday morning with our sug-

gestions for his Budget Message as it affects
taxation, and I asked him whether it would be

agreeable to him whether I would see you and Bob
Doughton before I saw - submitted my suggestions.

Hello?
G:

HMJr:

Hello.

And the President said he'd be delighted if I

would.
G:

HMJr:

Good.

Now you know I'm starting out this time feeling
that if we could sort of come to some kind of

agreement beforehand we might eave three to four
months on the Hill.

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

Now I know you're down there because I spoke to

your secretary, but I could get a plane and
come down because I think it's so important I'd

like to go over it with you.

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-2G:

What time do you - have you got to submit it, Henry?

HMJr:

I have to submit it to him at 9:30 Wednesday morning.

G:

This coming Wednesday?

HMJr:

Yes, sir.
Well, we haven't a field here. I would have to meet
you in Atlanta.
At Atlanta.

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

There's nothing at - there's nothing at Macon?
Yes, they have a field at Macon.

HMJr:
G:

G:

HMJr:

But is it - is it lit up at night?

G:

I am not so sure about that.

HMJr:

G:

HMJr:

No - would - Atlanta would be the best then,
wouldn't it?

Yes, I think it would.
Well, now, Walter, if - as I say I lay great stress
on this to get your ideas because I think it's
going to save a lot of headaches and heartaches if
I could get your ideas beforehand.

G:

HMJr:

G:

Well, I'11 be very glad to meet you in Atlanta.
Yes. Could you - if I could get away after lunch
today, could you do it tonight?
Yes, I - I think I can leave here on an afternoon
train

HMJr:

Yes.

G:

....and be in Atlanta tonight, yes.

HMJr:

Well, now where would we meet?

G:

Well, what time will you get into Atlanta?

40

-3HMJr:

Oh, I could get there around six or seven

G:

Well, I would suggest that either - any one of

HMJr:

Yes.

G:

I usually stop at the Henry Grady Hotel.

HMJr:

The Henry what?

G:

Henry Grady.

HMJr:

Clady?

G:

Grady - G-r-a-d-y.

HMJr:

Henry Grady.

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

I see.

G:

It's conveniently located.

HMJr:

Yes. Well, shall we - a little - or does it -

o'clock.

the hotels.

supposing when I find out more about the weather,
what would be a good time - what time would you

have to know?
G:

I would have to know by noontime.

HMJr:

By noon?

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

Is that - by twelve o'clock?

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

Well, I could call you back between now and noon.

G:

HMJr:

All right.
I - I'll know then definitely about the - how is
the weather down there now?

-4G:

HMJr:

It's cold and windy, very windy.
Is the sun shining?

HMJr:

Yes, sun is shining but it's very windy.
Well, it is - but you've got the sun out?

G:

Oh, yes.

HMJr:

Well, that's all we need.

G:

Yes.

G:

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HMJr:

I'd bring Paul down with me.

G:

Well, supposing you call me.

HMJr:

Yes.

G:

Now I could come up tomorrow just as well.

I can - I'd like - I think I could go this
afternoon.

HMJr:

Hello?

G:

Hello.

HMJr:

You mean you could go this afternoon?

G:

Yes, I think my train would get in there about
seven-thirty.

Well, we could

HMJr:

I see.

G:

I think by seven-thirty this afternoon.

HMJr:

Yeah, we could spend the evening together.

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

Well, that would be fine. I'll call you between

G:

All right.

HMJr:

Thank you.

now and noon.

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-5G:

HMJr:

All right.
Thank you.

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December 21, 1942
9:52 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Robert
Doughton:

All right, Henry.

HMJr:

How are you, Bob?

HMJr:

Oh, fine, thank you. How are you?
I'm never better.

D:

Well

D:

HMJr:

Bob, I have to submit to the President -- this
is very, very confidential now, what I'm saying hello?

D:

HMJr:

I understand.

Wednesday morning at nine-thirty we're submitting to him our suggestions about how to handle

the tax situation for next year in his Budget

Message.
D:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And I got his hearty approval of discussing it
with you and Walter George before I saw him.

D:

Well

HMJr:

Now I was trying to get you earlier. I suppose
you were frozen up the way everybody

D:

I'd like to have not got here at all, because
I had to come down on a street car, and I - never
got started, and I got - I'd like to have never
gotten here.

HMJr:

Now I located Walter George in his home

D:

Well

and if I'm going to see him, I'm going to

HMJr:

have to go down there tonight to see him.
D:

Well

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-2- HMJr:

But I'd like very much to see you.

D:

Well, where do you want to see me?

HMJr:

Well

D:

I'm at your command and ready any time.

HMJr:

Well, here's my - here's my situation. My
trouble is I didn't know - somebody told me

that George was going to be here this morning,
and he misspoke himself, 80 I now find that
he isn't and I'm going to have to go down

there 80 I'11 have to rear.. - and if I go at

D:

noon, I wondered if I could see you tomorrow.
Yes, sir.

HMJr:

Well

D:

If I'm living you can.

HMJr:

If you're living - well, you'll be living.

D:

Well, I'm hoping so.

HMJr:

I'll guarantee that.

D:

Yes.

HMJr:

Now do you want - this will take a couple of
hours. Do you want to start at lunch time
and then work through tomorrow afternoon,
something like that?

D:

HMJr:
D:

Whatever suits you better.

All right.
Just after lunch, there's a lot of bother about were you coming up or do you want me to come
down?

HMJr:
D:

Well, I want to do it where we won't be seen.
Just whatever suits you better, Henry. Your
time is more precious than mine right now.

I've - I'm in no special rush.

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3-

HMJr:

Well, if I go down to Atlanta, I think I

could be back here by one o'clock tomor row

if everything went well.
Yeah.

D:

HMJr:

So if you didn't mind maybe we could have lunch

D:

Well, if that suits you better, I'11 just -

HMJr:

Well, then supposing.

together and then work on it right straight
through the afternoon until we got together.

it'11 suit me.

Why don't you - why don't you just leave off
the lunch, and when I get down just

D:

HMJr:
D:

HMJr:
D:

No, no, no.

Well, all right. Well, we won't argue.
I want to give you victuals.
Well, all right.

HMJr:

And supposing

D:

I don't know whether I'm worth my feed or not.

HMJr:

I think you're worth a lot.

D:

(Laughs) Well

HMJr:

So let's leave it this way, and - and my office
will be in touch with yours in case there's
any - I don't get here on time or anything, you
see?

D:

You just have them call me, and let me know
again

HMJr:

D:

Yeah, and we'll leave - supposing we leave it
tentatively for one o clock tomorrow?
One o'clock and then they can call me and let

me know for certain, or if I don't hear shall
I be down there

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4

HMJr:

Yes.

D:

.... or shall I wait to hear from them?

HMJr:

They'11 - they'11 let you know. But in the

meantime, I'm going to try to go down to
Atlanta and back.

D:

All right, I hope you have a nice, safe trip.

HMJr:

You don't want to take a ride, do you?

D:

No, I don't think 80.

HMJr:

What?

D:

I know you enjoy your

I know you'll enjoy - oh yeah, I wouldn't
mind it - but I hope you'll enjoy your trip
with - visit with Senator George. I expect
I'd better stay here and work.

HMJr:

All right, well, I didn't want you to feel hurt
now.

D:

What?

HMJr:

I don't - I didn't want you not - if you want

a ride, you know.

HMJr:

Oh, I'd like to ride with you always, but
No, I'm just joking.

D:

Yeah.

HMJr:

All right, Bob.

D:

D:

Well, I'll wait until I can get further orders
and I'll be right ready.

HMJr:

Thank you.

D:

Thank you. Goodbye.

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Original of this. is in President's

folder because of last paragraph.

48

December 21, 1942

At twenty minutes of seven Sunday night I called up Roy
Blough and told him I would like him to put down as Plan A
of the Tax Program: a very stiff withholding tax, rationing
on all scarce articles, increase the personal incomes and
corporate tax and social security tax, and nothing on the
compulsory lending or saving. Did he think that that would
do the jobt He said, "Yes, it would." He asked me how much

did I think the volunteer plan could do? Was it good for
$12 billion? I said I certainly thought that it was. Then
I asked him to write me a letter to the President whereby I
would point out the defects in the present plan of the socalled $25,000 limit, and recommend that we limit personal
income, both in salaries and invested capital, to a progressive income tax. Roy Blough said that he believed in that

himself and would be very glad to do it.
I personally believe that if we could get enough money
to close the gap and control inflation without borrowing more
money from the people through compulsory saving and can get

it through the volunteer plan, that it's an important parttheof
the morale situation on the home front. I don't know how
plan would set with Congress, but I wish I could find out,
and I now have a telephone call in for the President to see

whether he would let me talk to Walter George and Doughton
and try out the plan on them before I see him next Wednesday.

I talked to the President at five minutes to seven and
said that I'd like to consult with George and Doughton and

lay the problem before them. Should we have a diagnosis of

the problem or should we diagnose it and make recommendations?

He said he'd be delighted to have me talk to them. I'm delighted and it puts me in a much stronger position when I see
him and also a stronger position in relation to the other
agencies. I told him that we knew what the Jimmy Byrnes'
crowd wanted and what the Budget crowd wanted and what the
C.I.O. orowd wanted, and he said, "Well, how are things between all of you? Are they quiet?" And I said, "Yes, all
relations are very friendly," and that seemed to please him.I
I said had he heard anything about the wart He said, "No,
haven't heard anything in two days and was hoping to hear
something soon." He sounded in a very good humor.

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December 21, 1942

Items forDiscussion

1. Magnitude of 1943 revenue legislation.
2. Timing: Whether to do something at once on a few items

or to wait for a tax bill of the regular kind.

3. Collection-at-source: Whether to attempt to start the
high rates about April 1; the "Ruml plan."
4. Compulsory lending: Whether necessary; magnitude;
protection against transfer of savings; amalgamation with
Victory tax.

5. Spendings taxi Whether desirable; magnitudes.
6. Income tax rates and exemptions.
7. Social Security expansion and extension.
8. Corporate taxes.

9. Sales taxes.

10. Other taxes: Estate and gift; excise.

11. Victory tax?

RB

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

December 21, 1942

To:

Secretary Morgenthau

From: Randolph Paul

I think the President's budget message should contain

a specific figure (I think $20 billion - perhaps more) and
that as a base therefor we should have on the inside a plan

showing the composition of this figure.

Irrespective of whether it contains a definite figure,
I also think that the budget message should come out for

forced lending or saving and against a sales tax. Perhaps it
should advocate the spendings tax. Probably, also, it should
come out against loopholes and for the $25,000 substantial

limit.
One more thought is that I think the figures should go
into the President's message with reference to the gap, especially since Jones' new national income figure is $125

billion.
I assume that the subject of social security will be
taken care of somewhere in the message.

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December 21, 1942
11:20 a.m.

TAXES

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Paul

Mr. Haas

Mr. Blough

Mrs. Klotz

H.M.JR: Go ahead.
(Copy of Budget Message, dated December 21, 1942,

handed to the Secretary by Mr. Blough.)

H.M.JR: Which statement is this?
MR. BLOUGH: This is the one we have been working

on since the middle of last week, which we keep down

to the policy--

H.M.JR: This is the diagnosis without any opera-

tion. (Laughter)

MR. BLOUGH: There is a little operation at the end

but not much.

MR. PAUL: There are no figures stated and no
particular scheme stated.

H.M.JR: Just make a note here, I would like to
make, somewhere in this thing, the statement that we
believe there should be rationing for all goods of
which there are shortages or impending shortages.

MR. BELL: Didn't we have that in?
MR. PAUL: The only reason for not putting that

in is we all agree--

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H.M.JR: I would like to put it in if it is not

going over in somebody else's back yard. I would like
to add, "There should be rationing of goods for which
there are scarcities or shortages, or impending short-

ages."

MR. BLOUGH: On page three it says, "We must extend

rationing. " We could say, "We must extend rationing to

all scarcities."

MR. PAUL: Or "impending"--

H.M.JR: "--for which there are shortages. I don't
care. Think it over - whichever word you prefer.
MR. PAUL: Morris Ernst just got back from England.
He went over on the paper shortage and he talked about

everything, but what he particularly talked about, that
interested me, was that with the rationing over there
they don't have any trouble at all; the people all
cooperate.

H.M.JR: Who sent him over there?

MR. PAUL: I think a magazine sent him over, but
he was going over in full cooperation with Nelson's

office. In fact, he is down there this morning.

MR. BELL: We have in, on page three, "We have
rationed some essential, scarce goods to assure every-

one a necessary minimum and to help protect price ceilWe must extend rationing. We must extend
rationing of the same kind, I suppose you mean.
H.M.JR: You have what I have in mind.

ings.

MR. PAUL: The thought that not only those that
are scarce, but those that are likely to become scarce.

H.M.JR: That is right.
MR. BELL: I think scarce goods - it is kind of
complicated.

53

-3H.M.JR: Of course, "scarce"- - I don't like the word didn't I use the word "shortage"?
MR. BLOUGH: It is just a matter of reconstructing

the sentence. There is no scarcity of sugar; there is
plenty of sugar. We are short of it in a sense.
MR. PAUL: That is the whole inflation problem.

There won't be any scarcity if you distribute it
properly.

H.M.JR: I don't agree with you on that. There

are not enough shoes. It isn't bad distribution of
shoes; there just won't be enough shoes. Anyway, I
think we all mean the same thing.
MR. PAUL: There are two refinements there.

H.M.JR: I would like to come out and say that we
should, as promptly as possible, ration the things

of which there are not enough to go around and the
things on which there are impending shortages.

MR. PAUL: I think you can defend that as being
in your back yard on the ground that the two things are

tied so closely together.

H.M.JR: I am going so overboard on this thing
that it doesn't make any difference anyway.
MR. HAAS: You previously said that before the
Ways and Means Committee.

H.M.JR: That is right. You say, "We must extend
rationing." You say, "These measures are interrelated."
We are all right.
MR. BELL: We haven't said it in the way you indi-

cated. It is not strong; it is in there, but kind of
covered up.

MR. HAAS: Of course, this is broader than the
other; you may want to leave it broad.

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H.M.JR: No.

MR. BELL: It might go to all goods instead of
just scarce goods. It leaves it open.
H.M.JR: If you don't mind, on top of page four I

would put "--the encouragement of maximum war produc-

tion" first.

MR. PAUL: That was George's point. We left it

that way partly on the theory that putting that at
the end was a little more climactic.

H.M.JR: They keep telling me that, people do, but

it doesn't affect me that way. I like the first thing
first.
I think this is a damned good statement from my

standpoint.

MR. PAUL: I think it is fine as far as it goes.
Of course, I still think that - I drew up a little

statement of what I thought - I think we ought to
mention the figure.
MR. BLOUGH: We do mention the figure here.

MR. PAUL: I am a little afraid of that; there are

so many variations.

MR. BELL: You ought to be afraid of the other,
then, Randolph.

Jones came out with a hundred and thirty-five
billion dollar national income this morning, which
makes your gap ten billion dollars larger.
MR. PAUL: That is what came out Sunday afternoon.
H.M.JR: Go ahead.

(Mrs. Klotz entered the conference.)

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MR. PAUL: I just think we ought to make our decision on compulsory. My feeling is that we ought to
make our decision about the forced lending or forced
saving. We ought to come out against loopholes. I

am not very strong for it, but I think the President
will want to come out for substantially a twenty-five
thousand limitation.

H.M.JR: We had that thing in about loopholes,

didn't we?

MR. BLOUGH: It is in here - not in detail.
MR. PAUL: I don't think we ought to do it in de-

tail. Then I agree on that point.

H.M.JR: What was your first point?
MR. PAUL: I think we have to decide on compulsory.

MR. BELL: "--special privileges and loopholes

should be eliminated."

MR. PAUL: All right. I forgot we left that in.
The principal point is the forced lending. I think we

ought to decide it. I don't know whether we should
advocate a spendings tax. I think we should come out
against a sales tax.
H.M.JR: Are you finished?
tax.

MR. PAUL: I am simply not sure about the spendings
H.M.JR: What I have done is - what has happened -

will go over it once more. I have been thinking very
hard on all of this stuff and I realize that there is
I

a difference - certainly Paul and myself - as to how
far we should go and I also realize that Paul, more or
less, now reflects a lot of these other people around
here who are pretty much in agreement.

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-6MR. PAUL: I think I am in agreement with Roy and
Harry White; I am not sure about George.

H.M.JR: Well, I am talking to you as head of the
Tax Division. I am not singling you out. Therefore,
what I always try to do is to be fair, and I have never
given myself the luxury of having any ideas or hobbies -

any success I have had, I have always eliminated any

personal hobbies which I try to ride, like War Bonds or
anything else. So what I am trying to do is to say,
knowing how you felt, along with the other people - I
got permission from the President to talk to George and
Doughton, and therefore when we see them tonight - we

are flying to Atlanta after lunch today - I am going to
give you ample opportunity to state the whole case. I

want to give him this and simply say, "How much further
do you think we can go?"

MR. PAUL: Yes, I see.

MR. BELL: Give him this as a minimum that the
President can say in his message?
H.M. JR: As a minimum; now, "How much more?"

"If I was working entirely alone without any advice,
I would do this. My advisors are not in agreement with

me." Therefore, I want to see how much more George and

Doughton - they may say, "All right, we will go along

with this; we will take one, two, three, and find out."

may have to tell the President that George and Doughton
agree on this as a minimum and that George will take so
much more; Doughton will take so much more.
We

ment.

MR. PAUL: George and Doughton won't be in agree-

MR. BLOUGH: Moreover, if I may say, there is the

question of how much should be in the message and how
much should be in agreement behind the message, and

giving meaning to the message even though it is not put

into the message.

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-7H.M.JR: What do you mean by that, Roy?
MR. BLOUGH: The President might say just what

you have said here, but sometime the Administration is

going to have to decide on how far it is going to ask
Congress to go. It seems to me we might just as well
get that settled as nearly as possible before the message goes up, so even if it should not be put in the

message, they will have agreed.

H.M.JR: I agree, but what you are saying is im-

possible. I will tell you why. I am going to try to
get as much - I am not flying down to Atlanta because

I like Atlanta, but Doughton told me he has got to get
six new Democratic members on his Ways and Means; and

Doughton isn't going to commit himself until he has his
committee behind him. Let's be practical. He is simply

going to say, "All right, Henry, I think you are right,
but until I have organized my committee, I can't tell

you.

MR. PAUL: My feeling about this goes to the basic

point. It doesn't go to the question of whether it

should be a Budget Message. But I do think that we have
to have a pretty definite administration program before
we can even say half the cost to the Government.

H.M.JR: Look, you fellows are all idealists, and
I love you for it. Even fairies and pixies and all the

rest of that-- (Laughter)

MR. PAUL: I won't accept that designation of

idealism.

H.M.JR: All right. Well, anyway - now, if we

could get out of this and simply say that they finance
this war and pay half of it out of taxes, wonderful,
but you don't know. And the thing that bothers me is all right, give up the voluntary War Bond program of
whatever it is, because we are going to get twice as

much gross from the forced savings, then we deduct the
difference and we are so much ahead, which you don't
know.

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-8Now, if you could get any kind of a commitment
that you would get these in increased taxes, and a
very strong - did Roy give you the Morgenthau plan

yesterday?

MR. BLOUGH: This morning I gave it to him. I

didn't call him last night.

MR. BELL: In reading this do you get out of it
that we have got to go fifty percent of the expenditure in taxes?
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. BELL: That isn't what it means.
MR. PAUL: We used the word "levies."
MR. BLOUGH: The last paragraph is something of a

weasel paragraph. I don't like to use that word.

H.M.JR: You are slipping from your idealism. (Laughter)

MR. BLOUGH: I was just about to bring it to your

attention, Mr. Secretary. He beat me to it.

MR. HAAS: It means "all one" or "a combination."
MR. PAUL: It leaves the door open. The word
"levy" is a weasel word.

MR. BELL: It is hard to say, but I am afraid most

people will interpret it just like the Secretary did,
and that would be unfortunate, I think.

MR. BLOUGH: I think that is quite true. They will
interpret it as taxes.
H.M.JR: As what?

MR. BLOUGH: They will interpret it as taxes - half

in taxes.

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H.M.JR: Why "unfortunate"?
MR. BLOUGH: It wouldn't be unfortunate if we can

get it. It would be unfortunate if we closed the door

to their giving it to us in anything else.
MR. BELL: I think what you will have to do is -

the minute you go before Congress they will say you are

advocating fifty percent in taxes. Then we will be up

against the question whether you want to say, "No, we
didn't say that; we said 'levies'" and levies may mean
enforced savings of one kind or another plus taxes or, taxes plus enforced savings, I should say.

MR. PAUL: Even the word "levies" doesn't cover
it because if you had compulsory savings, that would
not, in a sense, be a levy as would compulsory lending.

H.M.JR: The point is this, gentlemen, I want to
get the President to say as much as he can. I don't

want him to say something which is immediately going
to get Doughton's back up and he is going to begin to
fight us from the minute the Budget Message is said.

Let me give you this to cheer you up.
MR. PAUL: Cheer me up? (Laughter)

H.M.JR: Don't you need cheering up?

MR. PAUL: I can always take it.

H.M.JR: This is the way I feel. I would much

rather have the President say the minimum and then

fight inch by inch after the thing, than have him go
overboard and say everything we want, and have them

fight us and begin to lop the thing off. I think that

is the fundamental difference between you and me on

this thing.

MR. PAUL: No, I don't think we have too much
difference there.

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MR. BELL: No, I don't think so, either.
MR. PAUL: Our basic difference is on compulsory

lending.

MR. BELL: You have now come around, I think,

if I understand you correctly, that you don't care

whether compulsory lending is specifically mentioned
in the Budget Message. What you would like to get is

agreement with everybody around town on a program of
some kind.

MR. PAUL: That is right.

MR. BELL: So I think this is the right approach

to the Budget Message, myself.
H.M.JR: You do?
MR. BELL: Yes.

MR. PAUL: I think it is going to be misunderstood.
It is going to be regarded as fifty percent taxes.
H.M.JR: You can clear that up.
MR. BELL: You have to work on that paragraph.
MR. BLOUGH: (Reading) "The amount and kinds of

taxes Congress adopts will have a bearing on other fiscal measures it will need to take. Whatever the type of
action, time is of the essence. New measures should be
passed and put into operation promptly. Within the next
few months we should be collecting from current levies
one-half of the cost of the Federal Government."

MR. BELL: It puts Harold Smith a little in the

hole because he can't complete his budget estimate.

MR. PAUL: I don't mind that.
MR. BELL: You would mind it if you were sitting

in his chair.

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H.M.JR: Well, listen-MR. BELL: I know how he feels. I have been there.
MR. BLOUGH: He wants a figure.

MR. BELL: I would, too.
MR. BLOUGH: They feel, if the President doesn't
give the figure and split it up between taxes and com-

pulsory savings, that he isn't taking that leadership

that the country is entitled to.

H.M.JR: He has taken the leadership and where has

it gotten him? What I want, gentlemen, is the difference

here as between a frontal attack and a creeping attack,
and I am recommending that we simply give a creeping

attack; we do this thing inch by inch instead of going
all out and having to retreat. It is what we have done
every time. I have done this thing a dozen times. I

have gone up there with a swell program and then steadily
the Treasury forces withdraw. Now, this time I would

like to--

MR. PAUL: You might say that steadily the administration forces withdrew from behind the Treasury.

Of course, in other respects you believe that

the New Deal ought to be restored and we ought to--

H.M.JR: I believe?
MR. PAUL: You do, don't you?
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. PAUL: I do, too. This is a part of that
whole problem, to my mind. This is one of the vital
fronts where we ought to attack and not defend.

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H.M.JR: I want to show them our strength. I
would like the President of the United States to be
not too far behind the front.
MR. PAUL: I see what you mean. That is what I

like about his social security idea.

H.M.JR: You didn't have that in there.
MR. PAUL: We didn't put it in there because it
was to be put in another part.
MR. BLOUGH: We can if you like, but there is a
passage in the Budget Message on social security.

H.M.JR: I would like to put it in to make it
perfectly clear how I stand on rationing. Is that
recommending a plan, to do that?.

MR. BELL: You can put it in here, "The rates

should be increased from top to bottom and special

privileges and loopholes should be eliminated.
H.M.JR: I wish you would.

MR. BLOUGH: We can put it in - I don't know if

that is the place, but we can put it in.

I think that if we are going to get any action in

Congress, the emphasis will have to be, not on social

security as a fiscal measure, but on social security
as a social measure, with incidental fiscal benefits.
Social security as a fiscal measure runs up against very
strong hostility right at the beginning.

M.JR: All right.
MR. PAUL: I had dinner Friday night at the invita-

tion of Mr. Louis Brown of the Johns Manville Company.
H.M.JR: You were going to meet the half a dozen

men who run America.

MR. PAUL: Do you know who they are?

H.M.JR: I would love to know.

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MR. PAUL: Mr. Louis Brown was at the head of the

table, at his right was Mr. Ross Magill and Mr. Alvord,

and at his left were John Hanes and Mr. Cheever Cowdin.

I had more fun than I have had in a long time. I had
them disagreeing with each other.

H.M.JR: Wait a minute, Ross Magill, Alvord, Cheever

Cowdin of the NAM--

MR. PAUL: And John Hanes.

H.M.JR: And John Hanes, well, I will be damned.

Was it fun?

MR. PAUL: I had more fun. I mean I had them in
complete disagreement and agreement in fifteen minutes,
and they were arguing with each other instead of me.
Cowdin wants sixty billion.
H.M.JR: Of what?

MR. PAUL: Taxes and savings. He wants a sales
tax and he wants a flat twenty percent compulsory

savings.

John is reconciled to higher corporate rates.
H.M.JR: Johnny Hanes?
MR. PAUL: Yes.

MR. BLOUGH: Is reconciled to them? I thought you
said worried about them.

MR. PAUL: He wants to settle it.
Louis Brown said he would take a fifty percent

rate if we had a debt relief provision.

Alvord doesn't think you will get much out of the

sales tax.

Magill didn't say an awful lot. All of them disagreed with Cowdin's high figure of sixty billion.

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H.M.JR: I would love to get that in writing to

myself and the President.

MR. PAUL: The only other subject discussed was
the Ruml plan, or the modified Rumi plan.

H.M.JR: I would like to get that. see 12/22
MR. PAUL: They asked me to have lunch with them
the 28th and spend the afternoon with them.

I will write it up for you.
MR.HAAS: Isn't Brown Morgan's man?

MR. PAUL: Yes, he is on the Morgan Board of
Directors.
H.M.JR: He is his own man.

MR. PAUL: He has a front - one of these tax policy

leagues, or something.

H.M.JR: Let me stop here, now, and I think this

is all right. I would like to get - I have got to have
this ready. You boys have got to be ready at two.
MR. PAUL: Leave here at two?
H.M.JR: Yes.
MR. BLOUGH: This will be ready.

MR. PAUL: I will write up a report on the plane on

that other.

H.M.JR: Then we have got three hours to talk about
the other thing going down. One thing, Dan - we are

all right now, aren't we? One thing, Dan, I would like
to ask your horse-back opinion - would you or wouldn't

you seek publicity on this trip to Atlanta?

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MR. BELL: I would not. I don't know whether -

if you can avoid it, I would not; but if you don't
think you can avoid it - I think it is better to do so.
H.M.JR: Why? I would like to know your reasons.

MR. BELL: I think if it gets back to the Budget

and to Byrnes that you are talking about the Budget

Message or your tax program for the Budget Message -

I think if it gets back to the Budget Bureau or to

Byrnes that you are talking to these gentlemen about
what is going on the Budget Message on taxes, it will
create--

MR. PAUL: Take Byrnes down with you, and Smith.

(Laughter)

H.M.JR: The President took it perfectly for granted
that I am proceeding on the right track. I think per-

sonally - no one has said so - I think it is awfully
smart maneuvering that I have been doing.

MR. BELL: I think so, too.
H.M.JR: I mean this move with Doughton. I have
been trying to think how I could flatter George by

flying down there and everything like that - a great
compliment to him.

MR. PAUL: He will probably get to the local
papers that the Secretary flew down to see him.

H.M.JR: If he does, it is all right. Maybe you

people don't agree with me.

MR. PAUL: I don't disagree at all.
H.M.JR: Doughton is just as sweet - anything I
want, just tell him. He knows how busy I am. He
says, "Tell me when you want me, Henry, and I will be
there.'

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MR. BLOUGH: It is too bad he couldn't go along.

H.M.JR: Don't you think this is good?

MR. PAUL: I think it is very good.
MR. BELL: Will publicity hurt him with his new

committee?

H.M.JR: No, I was thinking with George, whether

I should seek it or not. I guess - let nature take
its course. But the thing that pleased me, when I
talked to the President, Fine, how are you getting

along with all these people down in Washington?"

"Everything is fine. No trouble - no trouble."
He says, "That is what I like to hear."
In other words, I just think, up to the minute,

we have just kind of out-maneuvered some of these

fellows. I don't know how long it will last.

MR. PAUL: When is George coming back - did he say?

H.M.JR: Not until the 30th.
Don't you think, Dan - you have been around this

town a long time - that you have to take the leadership?
If you just sit here and scratch your head and say,
"Jimmy Byrnes is doing this and that," the first thing

you know he is.

MR. BELL: Yes, I think this is the thing to do.
I would like to keep it out of the papers.

H.M.JR: All right.
Thank you all.

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December 21, 1942

During the coming fiscal year we face two related
fiscal problems, one on the budgetary front and one on
the economic front.

on the budgetary front the fiscal problem is to
supply the funds required to pay for the war. Tax

legislation of the past three years, and particularly
of 1942, has greatly increased revenues. But expenditures for war have increased vastly more. Taxes under

existing law will Faise less than one-third of the
amount needed to pay for Federal expenditures in the

fiscal year 1944. We should finance the war to a far
greater extent by means of taxes. Taxes will be easier
to pay during the wartime period of expanded money

incomes than they are likely to be after the war.
On the economic front the fiscal problem is to pay
for the war without further increases in prices and

the costs of living. which inflation. The
people of the United States will have billions of
dollars more income than they have had in the past,

and there will be billions of dollars less goods to buy.
More than half of our production is going directly to

68

-the war effort. Less than half is available for civilian
use. Every effort will be mode to keep the supply of
civilian goods and services as large as is consistent
with a maximum war effort and to make them available
when and where they are needed most. There will be

enough for health; there will be enough for efficiency;
but there will not be enough goods available at present
prices for the dollars people have to spend.
The excess dollars should be absorbed through taxes

or increased saving. The spending of those dollars
would have results which are alarmingly clear. Present
shortages would be intensified and new shortages would

appear. Prices and the cost of living would rise at an
accelerating rate. A mad seramble for goods might ensue.

Black markets would be difficult to prevent. Distribution
of goods would be cruelly unfair. The war effort eight
be dangerously hanpered.

The tragedy of inflation can be prevented; it must
be prevented; and it will be prevented if we take the
steps necessary to meet the danger.

We have already taken many vital steps. We have
increased taxes and stimulated voluntary saving, thus
withdrawing income from the spending stream. We have

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-3set price ceilings, thus at least temporarily putting
the brakes on the spiral of rising prices. We have
stabilized wages and salaries, thus restraining the
rise of business costs and the increase in money
incomes. We have placed limits on consumer credit
and have brought about a great amount of debt repayment.

We have rationed some essential, scarce goods to assure
everyone a necessary minimum and to help protect price
ceilings.
We must go further.

We must greatly increase taxes. We must greatly
increase net savings. We must extend rationing. These
measures are interrelated. Each increase in taxes and
each increase in savings will lessen the upward pressure
on prices and reduce the amount of rationing and other
direct controls we shall need.

This twofold fiscal problem calls for action of
wartime proportions. I have endeavored to make clear
that higher taxes now are the best way to pay for the

war and to do so without inflation. Certain broad
principles should guide us in raising the additional
revenue we need. These principles include the protection

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-4of a basic minimum standard of living, the fair and

equitable distribution of the financial cost of the
war, the prevention of excessive profits from the war
effort, and the encouragement of maximum war production.

A revenue program in harmony with these principles

will retain the individual income tax as the backbone
of our revenue system. The rates should be increased
from top to bottom and special privileges and loopholes
should be eliminated.
We must adapt the income tax to war needs. We

should collect as much as possible of the individual
income tax currently out of incomes when they are paid.

This will make the tax easier to bear; it will bring
the money into the Treasury more quickly and more

certainly; while at the same time it will remove the
money from the spending stream before it can be used

to bid up prices.
The amount and kinds of taxes Congress adopts will

have a bearing on other fiscal measures it will need to

take. Whatever the type of action, time is of the
essence. New measures should be passed and put into

operation promptly. within the next few months we

should be collecting from current levies one-half of
the cost of the Federal Government.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE DEC 2 1 1942
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Randolph Paul

We have made a thorough investigation of the

constitutional and legal basis for the making of
suggestions to Congress by the Secretary of the

Treasury, in respect to tax legislation. I thought
you might be interested in reading a copy of this
memorandum. The summary of the conclusions begins
on page 1.

had

MEMORANDUM

It has been requested that consideration be given to the

question of the extent of the Secretary's power and authority to
recommend revenue legislation to the Congress even though not re-

quested to do so by the Congress or a committee thereof. The results
of the legal research on the question may be summarized as follows:
Sumpary of Conclusions

It is concluded that the Secretary has authority to present
to the Congress recommendations concerning revenue legislation without regard to the request of the Congress for such recommendations,
While the proper view would appear to be that the Secretary has such

authority of and by himself, it should be recognised that an argument

can be made that such authority is limited by & requirement result
ing from section 206 of the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921, that the

President's approval be first obtained.

Article II, section 3, of the Constitution makes it the
duty of the President to recommend to the Congress from time to time
#such Measures as he shall Judge necessary and expedient, # * *".

In the light of the constitutional language, the duty of the President
to recommend legislation may not be affected by statutory provisions.
There appears to be no reason why the President cannot perform his

constitutional duty by a direction to the Secretary of the Treasury
as his agent to recommend revenue legislation approved by the President.

-2- The following statutory provisions bearing upon the question
were discovered:

First, sections 248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes of 1873,

carried into U.S.C., title 5, as sections 242 and 262, outlining the
powers and duties of the Secretary of the Treasury. Those sections
were based on earlier statutes under the authority of which the Department of the Treasury was established and the duties of the Secretary

defined. Section 248 provides, inter alia, that the Secretary shall
from time to time, digest and prepare plans for the improvement and

management of the revenue, .... and "shall make report and give

information to either branch of the legislature in person or in writing
as may be required, respecting all matters referred to him by the
Senate or House of Representatives, or which shall appertain to his

office .... Section 257 relates to the annual report required to
be made to the Congress by the Secretary, and provides that the report

shall contain estimates of the public revenue and public expenditures

for the fiscal year then current, and plans for improving and increasing the revenues from time to time.
Second, sections 202 and 206 of the Budget and Accounting

Act, 1921, incorporated in U.S.C., title 31, as sections 13 and 15.
Section 202 prescribes that the President shall, when the estimated
expenditures exceeds the estimates of receipts and of moneys in the
Treasury, recommend new taxes, loans, or other appropriate action to meet

-3estimated deficiency. Section 206 forbids all department officers
employees to submit to the Congress or any committee thereof any

estimate or request for an appropriation, or any recommendation as to

how the revenue needs should be net, unless at the request of either
House of the Congress,

IS is concluded that the Budget and Accounting Act does not

have the effect of repealing the statutory provisions with respect to
the powers and duties of the Secretary of the Treasury. That is, the
earlier statutory provisions requiring the Secretary to make report
and to give information on matters pertaining to his office and to
devise revenue plans may be considered as a request within the meaning

of section 206. In any event, section 206 cannot be construed as more
than a requirement that the recommendations be transmitted through the
President,

It should be recognised that the research conducted and the

authorities cited with respect to the purely legal phases of the abovementioned question go only to the point of recommendation of legisla-

tion and do not indicate any authority on the part of the Secretary,
in the absence of a request from either House of the Congress, to
appear in executive sessions of any of the committees of the Congress

to advocate specific proposals or to argue on behalf of the adoption

of particular policies to be incorporated in revenue legislation. 1/
V See, in that connection, Opinion of the Solicitor of the Treasury

to the Secretary of the Treasury, dated June 23, 1914 (Fed. No. 8412)
holding that the Secretary may appear before committees even though
his appearance is not requested. The opinion is based on an assumption
that a committee of the Congress would not refuse to hear the Secretary.

-4In a contemporaneous memorandum prepared by the Division of

Tax Research dealing with the history of Treasury participation in

revenue legislation, the entire activities of the Department of the
Treasury with respect to such legislation, including advocacy of

specific proposals and activities extra-legal in character, are considered.

I. Constitutional Provision

Article II, section 3, of the Constitution provides:
"He [the President] shall from time to time give
to the Congress Information of the State of the

Union, and recommend to their Consideration such
Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedi-

ent; ....

As originally drafted, the provision read * # he may
recommend *** ", but
On motion of E GOVE Morris, the may' was struck
out, & 'and' inserted before 'recommend' in the 2d

clause sect 2d art: I. in order to make it ['the

duty of' stricken out] the duty of the President to

recommend, & thence prevent umbrage or cavil at his

doing it

(3 Documentary History of the Constitution of the
United States (State Dept. 1900) 612; see also 1
Ibid. 153.)
The Congress has recognised the President's power and duty

under this section with relation to the revenue. Thus, the Act of
March 4, 1909, C. 299, sec. 7, 35 Stat. 1027, provided 2/

2/ See also the legislative history of the Badget and Accounting
Act, infra.

-

Immediately upon the receipt of the regular
annual estimates of appropriations needed for the
various branches of the Government it shall be the
duty of the Secretary of the Treasury to estimate
as nearly as may be the revenues of the Government

for the ensuing fiscal year, and if the estimates
for appropriations, including the estimated amount

necessary to meet all continuing and permanent appropriations, shall exceed the estimated revenues
the Secretary of the Treasury shall transmit the
estimates to Congress as heretofore required by law

and at once transmit a detailed statement of all of
said estimates to the President, to the and that he
MA, in giving Congress information of the state of

en nion and m to Photo consideration

measures as may Judge necessary, advise the
Congress how in KIS judgment the estimated appropria-

tions could with least injury to the public service

be reduced so as to bring the appropriations within
the estimated revenues, or, if such reduction be not
in his judgment practicable without undue injury to
the public service, that he may recommend to Congress

such loans or new taxes as may necessary to cover

en deficiency (underscoring supplied.)

Again, the Senata has, on the basis of the Constitutional
provision, refused to receive any communications from executive

officers unless transmitted to the Senate through the President except
when authorised or required by law OT a resolution, 8 Cannon's
Procedente of the House of Representatives (1936) sec. 3353. That

section is as follows
Senate deelines to receive account cations
and

the

On December 14, 19202/ in the Senate, following
the reading and approval of the Journal, the Vice
President announced:

-6TIn order that the Senate may be informed as

to certain action taken by the Vice President out
side of the Senate I am making this statement. At

the Sixtieth Congress the Senate passed the follow
ing resolution:
Resolved, That no communication from heads
of departments, commissioners, chief of bureaus or
other executive officers, except when authorised or
required by law, or when made in response to a reso-

lution of the Senate, will be received by the Senate,

unless such communication shall be transmitted to
the Senate by the President."

The present occupant of the chair has held
that the Senate passed that resolution in conformity
to the clause of the Constitution of the United
States which provides that among other duties of

the President

shall from time to time give to the Congress
information of the state of the Union and recommend
to their consideration such measures as he shall
judge necessary and expedient.'

Certain solicitors of various departments of

the Government have disagreed with the Vice President

to the extent of saying that the resolution adopted
in the Sixtieth Congress only applied to the Sixtieth

Congress. Various departments and bureaus are constantly sending to the Vice President recommendations
as to what the Congress should or should not do,

without submitting the same to the President of the

United States, I - holding that they have no right

to do that, regardless of a resolution of the Senate
of the United States; that the legislation of the
United States of America originates in either the

Senate or the House, and that recommendations with

reference to such legislation must come either from
or through the President of the United States.

J call attention to it so that 1f Senators think
the Chair is in error, the Chair may be corrected

-7- and hereafter hand these communications down. I

have been sending them back."

20 and session Birty-firth Congress, Record,

P. 308.

Y Thomas R. Marshall, of Indiana, Vice President,
Finally, Mr. Justice Story, in his Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States (3rd Ed. 1858) analysed the reason for

the provision as follows (p. 418):

- : There is great wisdom, therefore, in not

merely allowing, but in requiring the president
to lay before congress all facts and information
which may assist their deliberations; and in enabling him at once to point out the evil and to
suggest the remedy. He is thus justly made
responsible, not merely for a due administration
of the existing systems, but for due diligence and
examination into the means of improving them."

Since the quoted provision of the Constitution imposes a

duty upon the President, it is clear that no action of the Congress
can either relieve him of that duty or prevent him from exercising

it.
While it is true that traditionally the President has performed that duty, either by written messages delivered by one of his
secretaries, or by oral messages, no reason is perceived why he may
not, having first approved the proposals to be made by the Secretary

of Treasury, send that official to deliver his message, or recommen-

dation, for him. of especial interest in that connection is the

-8statement in President Wilson's book, Constitutional Government in

the United States," that (p. 201) there is no reason to believe that
the framers of the Constitution
- * * meant actually to exclude the President and
his advisers from all intimate personal consultation
with the houses in session. No doubt the President
and the members of his cabinet could with perfect
legal propriety and without any breach of the spirit
of the Constitution attend the sessions of either the
House or the Senate and take part in their discussions,
at any rate to the extent of answering questions and

explaining any measures which the President might
see fit to urge in the messages which the Constitu-

tion explicity authorises him to send to Congress.
II. Statutory Provisions
The only statutes concerning the instant question3/ which
have been found are sections 248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes of

1873 (U.S.C., 1940 ed., title 5, secs. 242, 262), and sections 202
and 206 of the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921 (Act of June 10, 1921,

Co 18, secs. 202, 206, 42 Stat. 21 (U.S.C., 1940 ed., title 31, secs.
13, 15)).

Rev. Stat., sec. 248, provides, as it appears in the Codes
"The Secretary of the Treasury shall, from time
to time, digest and prepare plans for the improvement
and management of the revenue, and for the support of

the public credits shall superintend the collection
of the revenue; shall, from time to time, prescribe

3/ Section 512 of the Revenue Act of 1942 (Act of October 21, 1942,

G. 611, sec. 512, 56 Stat. ) concerning the power of the Joint

Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation to obtain data from the various
departments is not pertinent.

- -9 -

the forms of keeping and rendering all public accounts

and saling returns; shall grant, under the limitations
herein established, or to be provided, all warrants
for moneys to be issued from the Treasury in pursuance
of appropriations by law; shall make report and give

information to either branch of the legislature in

person or in writing, as may be required, respecting
nu matters referred to 35 by the Senate or House
of Representatives, or which shall appertain to his
office; and generally shall perform an such services

relative to the finances as he shall be directed to

perform." (Underscoring supplied.)

The legislative history of the Act of September 2, 1789,
C. 12, 1 Stat. 65, from which that section was ultimately derived,
shown that as originally introduced the bill provided that the Secretary should #digest and report plans for the improvement and manage-

ment of the revenue". Representative Page moved to strike out that
provision on the ground that it would render the Secretary too power-

ful an officer and interfere with Congressional authority. The motion
failed, but a substitute motion to change the word "report* to "prepare"
was carried. However, the direction of the section that the Secretary
make report, and give information to either branch of the legislature,
in person or in writing (as he may be required), respecting all matters
referred to him by the Senate or House of Representatives, or which

shall appertain to his office was not amended.
That portion of the section has been construed as permitting
the Secretary of the Treasury to recommend legislation to Congress
even though his views have not been requested. 5 Hinds' Precedents

y

See Appendix A.

- 10 of the House of Representatives (1907) sec. 6652.5 That section

is

as follows:
"The Secretary of the Treasury may recommend

legislation to Congress, even when his views have
not been requested by either House. - On February
114, 1878,5 the Speaker laid before the House a
communication from the Secretary of the Treasury,

stating that discussion as to a reduction of taxes
on spirits and tobacco had resulted in a decrease

of revenue, which might render necessary the imposition of further taxes by Congress.

"The communication having been read, Mr. Carter

H. Harrison, of Chicago, made the point of order
that the Secretary of the Treasury was not authorized to recommend legislation to Congress except

when his views had been requested by either House,
and that the said communication was not properly
before the House.

"The Speaker? overruled the point of order on
the ground that the Secretary was required, under
section 248 of the Revised Statutes, to give information to either branch of Congress respecting matters

which shall appertain to his office.3/

W Second session Forty-Sifth Congress, Journal,
pp. 435, 436; Record, P. 1033.
#2/ Samuel J. Randall, of Pennsylvania, Speaker.

"3/ The Secretary of the Treasury alone, of all the
Cabinet officers, sends his annual report to the House

directly. The other Cabinet officers transmit their

5/ See also telegram from Secretary Sherman to the House of Represente-

tives Journal Clerk, dated February 14, 1878, stating:
"The practice has been to freely communicate to the House

or the Committees of the House all information from this Department, whether called for or not, and usually direct to the
appropriate Committee, but in matters of importance to the House
itself, The precedents of both forms of communication are very
numerous." (Letters Sent, Series =C," Vol. 7, P. 205)

- 11 reports as a part of the President's message, or rather
with it. The law of 1789 puts the Secretary of the
Treasury on a basis of especial prominence\.in regard
to Congress."

Rev. Stat., sec. 257, provides in part, as it appears in the

-

Code:

"The Secretary of the Treasury shall make the
following annual reports to Congress:

"First. A report on the subject of finance,

containing estimates of the public revenue and public
expenditures for the fiscal year then current, and
plans for improving and increasing the revenues from

300 to time, for the purpose of giving information
to Congress in adopting modes of raising the money
requisite to meet the public expenditures,
(Underscoring supplied.)

Those statutes clearly require the Secretary to make recommendations concerning revenue measures as well as other matters per-

taining to his office, unless they are limited, with respect to revenue
6 The debate in the House on the bill which became the Act of May 10,
1800, C. 58, 2 Stat. 79 (from which the above section was ultimately
derived) shows that:

"Mr. GALLATIN and Mr. NICHOLAS opposed the

passing of the bill, on Constitutional principles.

They observed, that as all money bills were to
originate in the House of Representatives, the Senate
had no right to propose any bill by which that provision was changed; nor could the Secretary of the
Treasury, upon the same ground, propose anything

that should originate any money bill. Heretofore,

it had been usual, when information was wanting by

the House, to call for it from that Department, and
the same could be done again." (Annals, 6th Cong.,
1st Sess., 709).

- 12 measures, by sections 202 and 206 of the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921,

supra. Those latter sections provide, as they appear in the Code:

#Sec. 202. (a) If the estimated receipts for
the ensuing fiscal year contained in the Budget, on
the basis of laws existing at the time the Budget
is transmitted, plus the estimated amounts in the
Treasury at the close of the fiscal year in progress,
available for expenditure in the ensuing fiscal year
are less than the estimated expenditures for the ensuing fiscal year contained in the Budget, the Presi-

dent in the Budget shall make recommendations to
Congress for new taxes, loans, or other appropriate
action to meet the estimated deficiency.

"(b) If the aggregate of such estimated receipts

and such estimated<amounts in the Treasury is greater

than such estimated expenditures for the ensuing fis-

cal year, he shall make such recommendations as in

his opinion the public interests require. .

"Sec. 206. No estimate or request for an appropriation and no request for an increase in an item of
any such estimate or request, and no recommendation
as to how the revenue needs of the Government should
be met, shall be submitted to Congress or any COD-

mittee thereof by any officer or employee of any department or establishment, unless at the request of
either House of Congress."

It is not believed that those sections worked a repeal of
the requirements of sections 248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes. All
those statutes are codified in the United States Code and are, there-

fore, prima facie the law. Act of May 29, 1928, C. 910, sec. 4, 45
Stat. 1007, as amended (U.S.C., 1940 ed., title 1, sec. 54(b)). The
Budget and Accounting Act, 1921, contained no repealing provision;

the provisions of section 206 are general, relating to recommendations
as to revenue needs from officers or employees of all the departments and

- 13 establishments, whereas the earlier provisions of sections 248 and

257 of the Revised Statutes are specific, requiring the Secretary of
the Treasury to make reports and recommendations concerning revenue

matters to the Congress; and, as will be hereafter shown, the provisions

of section 206 are not absolutely incompatible with the provisions of
sections 248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes. In that situation the
language of the Supreme Court in Washington v. Miller, (1914) 235 U.S.

422, is particularly pertinent. The Court was there considering the
effect of the Act of April 28, 1904, C. 1824, 33 Stat. 573, which provided that "All the laws of Arkansas heretofore put in force in the
Indian Territory are hereby continued and extended in their operation,
so as to embrace all persons and estates in said Territory, whether
Indian, freedmen, or otherwise, * . ⑈ upon the Act of June 30, 1902,
C. 1323, 32 Stat. 500, which provided that descent of Creek property
should be in accordance with Arkansas law except that only citizens
of the Creek Nation and their Creek descendants should inherit lands

of the Creek Nation. The Court said (at p. 427)
"No repealing clause accompanied this provision,

so the question is, did it repeal the provisos by
implication. There is no doubt that, if taken liter-

ally, it would subject the Creek lands to the Arkansas
law of descent and distribution without any qualification or restriction. But this would be only by
reason of the generality of its terms, for it made
no mention of that law or of those lands. In short,
it was plainly a general statute and did not show
that the attention of Congress was then particularly
directed to the descent of the lands of the Creeks.

- 14 On the other hand, § 6 of the supplemental agreement

and its two provisos dealt with that subject in specific

and positive terms which made it certain that the Creeks
and their lands were particularly in mind at the
time. In these circumstances we think there was
no implied repeal, and for these reasons: First, such
repeals are not favored, and usually occur only where
there is such an irreconcilable conflict between an

earlier and a later statute that effect reasonably

cannot be given to both (United States V. Healey,
160 U.S. 136, 146; United States V. Greathouse, 166
U.S. 601, 605); second, where there are two statutes
upon the same subject, the earlier being special and
the later general, the presumption is, in the absence

of an express repeal, or an absolute incompatibility,
that the special is intended to remain in force as
an exception to the general (Townsend V. Little, 109

U.S. 504, 512; Ex parte Crow Dog Id. 556, 5703 Rodgers
V. United States, 185 U.S. 83, 87-89); and, third,

there was in this instance no irreconcilable conflict
or absolute incompatibility, for both statutes could
be given reasonable operation if the presumption
just named were recognized.

"No doubt there was a purpose to extend the
operation of the Arkansas laws in various ways, but
we think it was not intended that they should supersede or displace special statutory provisions enacted
by Congress with particular regard for the Indians

whose affairs were peculiarly within its control.* * **7/
It would appear, then, that the earlier provisions of sections
248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes are not repealed by section 206

I See also, (a) Repeals by implication not favored Posadas V.

National City Bank, (1936) 296 U.S. 497; United States v. Jackson, (1938)
302 U.S. 629 (b) Special law not repealed by general laws Townsend
v. Little, (1883) 109 U.S. 504; Rodgers v. United States, (1902) 185
U.S. 83, United States V. Nix, (1903) 189 U.S. 1991 x parte United
States, (1913) 226 U.S. 420; Baltimore National Bank V. State Tax
ission of Maryland, (1936) 297 U.S. 209.

- 15 of the Budget and Accounting Act unless there is an "absolute

incompatibility* in their provisions. Such an incompatibility does

not exist if the qualifying phrase of section 206, unless at the request of either House of Congress" is read to include requests of the
two Houses of Congress and the President acting together, for the pro-

visions of sections 248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes constitute
both a requirement and a request that the Secretary of the Treasury
report revenue plans to the Congress. Nor would it appear improper
so to read section 206, for the request of both Houses of Congress and

the President acting together is certainly of as great force as the
request of a single House.8

That such construction is proper is indicated by the fact
that for eleven years (1922 to 1932 inclusive) after the passage of
the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921, the Secretary's Annual Report
contained recommendations relating to the revenue, Such administrative

8/ An indication that the Congress itself did not regard section 206
as incompatible with the earlier statutes is the fact that it took no
action on the report made to it by the President pursuant to section
210 of the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921. That section provided:

"The Bureau shall prepare for the President a codi-

fication of all laws or parts of laws relating to the prepa-

ration and transmission to Congress of statements of receipts
and expenditures of the Government and of estimates of
appropriations. The President shall transmit the same to

Congress on or before the first Monday in December, 1921,
with a recommendation as to the changes which, in his opinion,
should be made in such laws or parts of laws."
The report quoted verbatim sections 248 and 257 of the Revised Statutes
(House Doc. No. 129, 67th Cong., 2d. Sess. 164)

- 16 -

practice is entitled to great weight in the construction of a statute 9
Nor is the force of that practice weakened by reason of the fact that
the Secretary's Reports from 1933 to date have not contained such

recommendations, for that resulted from the fact that since that date
they have been contained in the President's Budget Message or in
separate messages of the President dealing with tax matters.
However, even assuming arguendo that the construction of

sections 248 and 257 of Rev. Stat. end of section 206 of the Budget

and Accounting Act, which 1H here set forth is incorrect, section 206
cannot be read as anything more than a limitation on the powers of the

Secretary requiring him to obtain the President's approval of his
recommendations before presenting them to Congress. The legislative
history of the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921,10/ shows that the
Congress recognized the constitutional duty of the President and sought
9/ United States v. Philbrick, (1857) 120 U.S. 52; Pennoyer v. McConnaughy
(1891) 140 U.S. 1; United States v. Jackson, (1930) 280 U.S. 183.

10/ H.R. 9783, 66th Cong., 1st Sess. ras the originel bill and references are to its legislative history. It was vetoed by President Wilson

because of the provisions concerning removal of the Comptroller General.
On the last day of the Second Session of the 66th Congress, H.P. 14441,
identical with H.R. 9783 except for those provisions, was introduced

but failed of passage. At the first session of the 67th Congress, the

Bill 8.1084, which finally became the Budget and Accounting Act, 1921,
was introduced and passed. Its provisions in all respects here material
were the same as those of H.P. 9783. The legislative history of 8.1084
contains the following interesting, though not authoritative, passage:
"Mr. Montague.

I hope much from the successful

accomplishment of this legislation, but have not the

exuberant optimism that some Members seem to entertain

as resulting from its enactment. Perhaps auxiliary and
supplementary legislation may be necessary to(continued)
perfect

- 17 -

by the statutory provisions simply to center responsibility in the
President for the appropriation estimates and revenue recommendations. 11

Thus, the reports on H.R. 9783 contain the following pertinent statementsz

"A_budget system thus contemplates that a document

corresponding to the foregoing will annually be prepared by the Chief Executive; that this document will
be submitted to the legislative branch, and that the

latter will make use of it as a basis for all of its

action looking toward the making of provision for the
financing of the Government for the future. In a
word, a budgetary system has as its prime character-

istic that the Government in providing for its financial needs will have a definite financial and work
program; that responsibility will rest upon the administrative branch for the formulation of this program
in the first instance and upon the legislative branch
for subjecting it to such revision as in its opinion
is deemed desirable.

(f) (continued)

the plan. Time will decide this. In By own view

I

am happy to see that the Treasury Department has some-

what to do with this law. I think the budget system
will only work in its maximum efficiency when the Secretary of the Treasury himself has a seat on the floor
of this House and on the floor of the Senate to debate
any matter in relation to the budget, and to answer
any interrogatories that may be propounded by Members

of the respective bodies. Long since I offered a bill
to that effect. The Congress will with greatest difficulty avail itself of the benefits of the budget

system, or control that system as it should do, unless
the Secretary or his assistants cooperate on the floor
of the House in the actual consideration of the measure.
In course of time I predict such mutual consideration
debate, and cooperation will come to pass." (1921) 61
Cong. Rec. 1858.

11. The debates show that there was before the Congress the rule of
the House of Commons providing that: This House will receive no
petition for any sum relating to the public service or proceed upon
any motion for a grant or charge upon the public revenue * * * unless
recommended by the Crown." (1919) 58 Cong. Rec. 7137. Apparently the
Congressional purpose was to emmlate that rule.

- 18 "If increased economy and efficiency in the

expenditure of funds is to be secured, it is thus
imperative that the evils should be attacked at their

source. The only way by which this can be done is
by placing definite responsibility upon some officer
of the Government to receive the requests for funds
as originally formulated by bureau and departmental
chiefs and subjecting them to that scrutiny, revision,
and correlation that has been described. In the
National Government there can be no question but that
the officer upon whom should be placed this responsi-

bility is the President of the United States. He is
the only officer who is superior to the heads of de-

partments and independent establishments, He is the

only officer of the administrative branch who is in-

terested in the Government as a whole rather than in

one particular part. He is the only administrative

officer who is elected by the people and thus can be

held politically responsible for his actions. Furthermore, as head of the administration it is to him that

Congress and the people should look for a clear and

definite statement of what provision in his opinion

should be made for the revenue and expenditure needs

of the Government. The requirement that the President shall prepare and submit to Congress annually
upon its convening in regular session a budget will

thus definitely locate upon him responsibility for the

formulation and recommendation of a financial and work
program for the year to ensue.

"If duplication, waste, extravagance, and inefficiency
exist in any branch of the service, the President will
be responsible for them if he includes in his budget an
estimate for their continuance. The members of his
Cabinet and their assistants would aid the President in
preparing a budget for which his administration is willing to be charged. It substitutes teamwork in the
executive departments for the unorganised work of each
of the members of his Cabinet.

"The primary purpose of the bill that is submitted
with this report is thus to insure the preparation and
submission of such a program by the Chief Executive."
(H.R. Rep. No. 362, 66th Cong., 1st Sess. 5.)

- 19 -

The bill, if it become law, in no sense will
impair either the authority or the responsibility of

Congress. It presumes that the President, in conferonce with his Cabinet, will adopt a fiscal policy conformable to his general program; it presumes that there
will be laid before the Cabinet the estimates of the
revenues for the ensuing fiscal year, as well as preliminary and tentative estimates for expenditure by
the several departments. The President, in conference

with his Cabinet, must determine the SUB of the bud-

get-the total of expenditure to be proposed to Con-

gross-as well as the sums proposed to be expended by
the several executive departments of the Government.
This will require at the same time decision whether
reco ndation shall be made to Congress to continue

the existing sum of taxation, to reduce, or to increase
0.00 (Underscoring supplied.) (Sen. Rep. No. 524,

66th Cong., 2d Sess. 4.)

"It provides in section 202 that the President

shall recommend to Congress new taxes, loans, or other

appropriate action to meet the deficiency, if the
Budget shows a deficit, or, if it shows a surplus, he

is required to make such recommendation as he believes

the public interests required. This section is in

lieu of corresponding matter contained in each bill
but is more specific and definite than the corresponding matter in either of them.
"It provides in section 206 that no estimate or
request for an appropriation and no request for an
increase in any item of any such estimate or request,

and no recommendation as to how the revenue needs of
the Government should be met, shall be submitted to

Congress or any committe thereof by any person in
the executive branch of the Government except the
President, unless upon the request of either House.

TALS section is in lieu of a similar section in the
House bill and & similar section in the Senate bill,
except that the Senate bill provided that estimates
of appropriations or recommendation for raising revenue
could be submitted to Congress by any official or

employee in the executive branch of the Government,
upon request of any committee of either House having

- 20 jurisdiction over appropriations or revenues."

(Underscoring supplied.) (Conference Report, H.R.
Rep. No. 1044, 66th Cong., 2d Sess., 10, 11.)

Again, there are set forth in Appendix B hereto, colloquies between
the various members of the House Committee and other members of the

House, which support the conclusion that the only purpose of the D

quoted sections was to center responsibility in the President. It
follows that the only effect, if any, of section 206 of the Budget and
Accounting Act, 1921 on the previously existing authority of the Seoretary of the Treasury was to require approval of the President of
all revenue matters presented by the Secretary to the Congress. There

is, therefore, no violation 12/ of that section if the Secretary, at
the direction, and as the agent of the President, presents recommends-

tions to the Congress for revenue legislation.13/

12 whether " the section is construed to prevent the President from
making recommendations through Executive officers it would be constitutional, need not be discussed.

13/ The only contrary indication in the legislative history of H.R.
9783 is the following colloquy between Representative Elston and Representative Good (Chairman of the House Committee):

"Mr. ELSTON. Every executive officer is the
mere agent of the Chief Executive, and this measure
merely provides that every recommendation for expenditure should come from the Chief Executive and not through

his agents. That is, you do not want his agents to
do it, but the President himself?
"Mr. GOOD. Yes."

It is submitted, however, that Representative Good's answer indicates
only that an executive officer could not present recommendations with-

out first obtaining approval from the President on the theory that he
was the President's alter ego. It does not necessarily imply that the
President, having approved and adopted the recommendation, could not

present it through an executive officer as his agent.

APPENDIX A

(

OF DEBATES IN CONGRESS

615

JUNE 95, 1789.]

War Department.

92

616

(H. OF R.

DEPARTMENT OF WAR

The House then went into a committee on
bill for establishing the Department of War.
Mr. the TRUNBULL in the chair.

Mr. BENSON proposed. with respect to the
Secretary's being removable by the President,

amendment to that which had been
in the bill establishing the Department

Foreign Affairs.

Mr. BUSINAN thought it unnecessary to load
bill with any words on that subject: be con.
dei colour the gentleman ought to be satisfied with
after

had the principle established in the

BILL

Mr. Paam was of the same opinion. but fur.

thought it argued a doubt, even in the

and - of the majority, of the truth of their princigical and they wanted, by repetition, to force
upon the mind which was not impressed
right resson. The question on the amend-

taken without further debate, and
and is the affirmative, twenty-four to twen-

- Bone other small alterations being made, the
rose, and reported the bill as amend-

which being partly considered, the House

allearned.

THURSDAY, June 25.

Mr. WINKOOF presented the petition of 8a

Briggs, of Philadelphia, praying for the
privilege of constracting and vending

for making nails by ill-work. Or.

to lie on the table.

DEPARTMENT OF WAR
The House returned the consideration of the
reported by the Committee of the

to the bit for establishing the War De
6thwhich being agreed to, the bill was
cogresse

from the Senate informed the
they agree to the amendment proHouse to their amendment to the

a duty on goods, wares, and
Imported into the United States
fourth and afth amendments to

the proposed conference
of the other amendments

have their managers to
the and Birth amendThe Beneta likewise agree to the
by this House to their

to the bill impos-

and also to the proposed

the -matter of the other
to the said bill.
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

House then received itself into Comthe bill for establishing

Department, Mr. TRONSULL is
Tho second clause being under con-

plans for the improvement and management
of the revenue, and the support of the public
credits" observing that it might be well enoug
to enjoin upon him the duty of making out and

preparing estimates: but to go any further
would be a dangerous innovation upon the con-

stitutional privilege of this House: it would
create an undue influence within these walls,
because members might be led. by the deference commonly paid to men of abilities, who
give an opinion in a case they have thoroughly

studied, to support the minister's plan, even

against their own judgment. Nor would the
mischief stop here: it would establish a prece-

dent which might be extended, until we ad.
mitted all the ministers of the Government on
the floor, to explain and support the plans they
have digested and reported: thus laying a foun-

dation
marchy.

for an aristocracy or a detestable mo-

Mr. TECKER-The objection made by the
gentleman near me is, undoubtedly, well
founded. I think it proper to strike out all the

words alluded to, because the following are
sufficient to answer every valuable purpose,
namely, " to prepare and report estimates of
the public revenue and public expenditures.

If we authorize him to prepare and report

plans, it will create an interference of the ex-

ecutive with the legislative poweres it will
abridge the particular privilege of this Houses
for the constitution expressly declares, that all

bills for raising revenue shall originate is the
House of Representatives. How can the be-

siness originate in this House, if we have it
reported to us by the Minister of Finance? All
the information that can be required, may be
called for, without adopting a clause that may
undermine the authority of this House, and the

security of the people. The constitution has
pointed out the proper method of communication between the executive and legislative departments; it is made the duty of the President
to give, from time to time. information to Casgress of the state of the Union, and to
mend to their consideration such measures as

he shall judge necessary and expedient.

If

revenue plans are to be prepared and reported
to Congress, here is the proper person to do its

he is responsible to the people for what he recommends, and will be more cautious than any
other person to whom a less degree of respon-

sibility is attached. Under this clause, you
give the Secretary of the Treasury right to
obtrude upon you plans, not only undigested,

but even improper to be taken up.
I hope the House is not already werry of ex.

and sustaining the powers vested is

ecuting them by the constitution; and yet it would ar-

that we thought ourselves less adequate to
determine gue than any individual what bartheas

constituents are equal to bear. This is

our not answering the high expectations that were
formed of our exertions for the general and good, the

the words making it or of our vigilance in goarding short, Mr. our Chairman, own 1
daty Page of the objected Secretary to to digest and report people's rights. In

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or legislative authority. while the constitution

we. in the free republic of the United States
should introduce such novelty in legislation,
am at a loss to conceive. The constitution ex.

gives such power solely to the House of Repre-

pressly delegates to us the business of the reve.

can and forced upon this House by a man destitute

sentatives; for this reason, I cheerfully second
the motion for striking out the words.
Mr. BENSON. If the proposed amendment

nue; our constituents have confidence in

because they suppose us acquainted with their

circumstances; they expect. in consequence
of this knowledge. we will not attempt to lead
them with injudic ous or oppressive taxes but

prevail. the bill will be nearly nugatory The

most important service that can be rendered by

a gentleman who is at the head of the Depart

they have no such security. if we are blindly

ment of Finance. is that of digesting and re
porting plans for the improvement of the reve
nue, and supporting public credits and, for my
part, I shall despair of ever seeing your reve

follow perhaps an unskilful minister. It does
not answer me Mr. Chairman, to say the Hoose

has a right of deliberating and deciding upon
these plans, because we may be told, if you

see improved, or the national credit supported,
unless the business is submitted into the hands

prune away this part or that part of the system

you de-troy its efficiency. Therefore we -

of an able individual. I thought this subject

act with caution: we must either take or reject

was well understood, from the debate on the
original motion. It was then insisted upon by

the whole; but if we reject the whole, sir, We
are to depend upon ourselves for substitute

an honorable gentleman, Mr. GERRY. who

How are we to form oner For my part, should

not despair, that the united wisdom of this
House could procure one: but if we are 10

opposed the appointment of a Secretary of the
Treasury. that his important duties ought to be

"to consider of the means of improving the
revenue. and introducing economy into the
expenditures, and to recommend general sys
tems of revenue. " Now, what more than this

this in the second instance, why cannot went
tempt it in the first? 1 have no objection to our
calling upon this or any other officer for infer.
mation; but it is certainly improper to have him
authorized by law to intrude upon us whatever

is required by the clause?

For my part, I am at a loss to see how the
privilege of the House is infringed. Can any
of the Secretary's plans be called bills? Will
they be reported in such a form event But ad

he may think proper. I presume, sir, it is not

supposed by the worthy gentleman from New

York (Mr. BENSON) that we shall be at lea
to conceive what information would be useful
or proper for US to require, that we must have

mitting they were. they do not become bills, un-

less they are sanctioned by the House: much
less is the danger that they will pass into laws
without full examination by both Houses and
the President. From this view of the subject,

this officer to present us with what he chooses.
When the President requires an epinion of him,

the constitution demands him to give it: 10 UB
der the law. let him send his opinion in here,

when it is asked for. If any further power

eaffer in the clause from appearing dangerous,

that Ibslieve it discovers itself to be not only

given him. it will come to this at last: we. like

retained, the great object of the

what he dictates. Either these reports the
Secretary are to have weight, or they are -

the Parliament of Paris, shall meet to register

safe, but essentially necessary; and

bill will be defeated.

if they are to have weight, the House acts as
der a foreign influence, which is altogether is.

Mr. GOODHUE- We certainly carry our dig
sity to the extreme, when we refuse to receive

Information from any but ourselves. It must be
admitted, that the Secretary of the Treasury
will, from the nature of his office, be better ac
minted with the subject of improving the recertailing expense, than any other

proper and impolitic; if they are to have be
weight, we impose a useless duty upon the

officer, and such as is no mark of our wisdom
Mr. AMES hoped the subject might be treated with candor and liberality; he supposed the
objections were made on those principles, and
therefore required a serious answer. The war-

is thus capable of affording useful
shall we reckon it hazardous to re-

For my part, when I want to attain a

thy gentleman who first expressed his average

to the clause seemed to be apprehensive that
the power of reporting plans by the Secretary
would be improper, because it appeared to his

object. r never shut my ears against
likely to enable me to secure it.

PAOK. can never consent to establish.
this interference of an executive offibusiness of legislation; it may be well

to interfere with the legislative duty of the
House, which the House ought not to relinquish

Whenever it is a question, Mr. Speaker, and
he, whether this House ought. or ought not, to
establish offices to exercise a part of the power
of either branch of the Government, there are

enough is an absolute monarchy. for a minister

- to . Parliament with his plans in his
order them to be enregistered or en-

practice does not obtain even in

Desearch like Britain. The minis

two points which I take into consideration, in
order to lead my mind to a just decision; first,

for thirs, who introduces his plans, most be a
of the House of Commons. The man
would be treated with indignation, who should

fore Parliament in any other way. Now, why

abuse. Now I take it, sir, that the House, by

I

attempt in that country to bring his schemes be

whether the proposed disposition is useful and,
second, whether it can be safely guarded from
their order for bringing in a bill to establish the

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Treasury Department.

Treasury Department in this way. have deter.
mined the point of utility: or, have they erred
in adopting that opinion. I will slightly make an

inquiry How does it tend to general utility?

The Secretary is presumed to acquire the best

knowledge of the subject of finance of any
member of the community. Now, if this House
is to act on the best ledge of circumstances, it seeins to follow logically, that the House
must obtain evidence from that officer; the best

way of doing this will be publicly from the offi
cer himself, by suaking it his duty to furnish us

with it. It will not be denied, sir, that this officer will be better acquainted with his business

than other people can be. It lies within his department, to have a comprehensive view of the
state of the public revenues and expenditures.

He will, by his superintending power over the
collection, be able to discover abuses, if any, in

that department, and to form the most eligible
plan to remedy or prevent the evil. From his
information respecting money transactions, he
may be able to point out the best mode for supporting the public credit; indeed, these seem to
me to be the great objects of his appointment.

is, perhaps, a misfortune incident to public
assemblies, that from their nature they are more
incompetent to a complete investigation of ac
counts than a few individuals; perhaps in a Goverament 60 extended, and replete with variety

in its mode of expenditure as this, the subject
may be more perplexing than in countries of
smaller extent, and less variety of objects to
guard. The science of accounts is at best but
an abstruse and dry study; it is scarcely to be

understood but by an unwearied assiduity for a
long time; how then can a public body, elected
annually, and in session for a few months, un-

dertake the arduous task with a full prospect

success? If our plans are formed upon these
incomplete investigations, we can expect little

agreements for I venture to say, that our

knowledge will be far inferior to that of an in

the business that the present
proposed; I hope it may be successful,

doubt the event. I am confident our
are equal to the demand, if they are

brought into operation; but a bad

of the finances will prove our greatest
But is our proposed arrangement safe?
the guards sufficient to prevent
perfectly satisfied it can be made so,
the united exertions of both Houses

it. How is the power complained of
honorable gentlemen over the way (Mr.

and Mr. TUCKER) unsafe? We are
plans reported may have an under

Upon what ground is this
the gentlemen apprehend the facts

ciously stated? If so, I would
be detected? If facts are faithfully
the deductions are fair, no doubt
be patronized and will gentlemen

ought not? I believe there is little
imposition, for a person in this

hardly run the risk of detection,
where detection might be easy
tion of the books and voechers, and his

tion be destroyed.

What improper influence could plan

ed openly and officially have on the

any member, more than if the scheme

formation were given privately at the

tary's office?

Nor, Mr. Chairman, do I
gentlemen say with respect calling

Secretary for information; it will be no
inattention or neglect, if he take time
sider the questions you propounds but
make it his duty to furnish you plans of

mation on the improvement of

support of public credit, and be neglect

form it, his conduct or capacity is

impeached. This will be furnishing an

al check.

dividual. like the present officer. Hence I con.

It has been complained of as a

let me ask gentlemen, if it not to
tion of A similar kind that the

I would not have it understood that I am
. against an inquiry being made into this subject

at every session of the Legislature. I think
jech a practice highly salutary. but would not
trust to a hasty, or perhaps injudicious exam
ination of a business of this magnitudes on the

centrary, I would take every precaution in as
certaining the foundation upon which our reveasce are to stand.

If we consider the present situation of our
finances, owing to a variety of causes, we shall
as doubt perceive a great, although unaveida

ble confusion throughout the whole scene; it
presents to the imagination a deep, dark, and
dreary chaosy impossible to be reduced to order

the finances of Britain is the cavy

It is true, the Chancellor of the
member of the House that has the sole
originating money bills, but is that
we should not have the
be obtained from our officer, who
means of acquiring equally

knowledge? The nation, as well
ment of Britain, holds a check over
cellor: if his budget contains
they are corrected if be
or even unpopular measures,
tion becomes edious, and be

less or

we more reason to fear

without the mind of the architect is clear and

ment of the Treasury

capacious, and his power commensurate to the
ocpasions he must not be the fitting creature of
4 day. he must have time given him competent

and most useful power.

for the successful exercise of his authority. It
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is with an intention to let a little sunchine

and sit, that the Secretary is a useful and in.
valuable part of the Government

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let us improve it, but not
will
refuse
motion.

their

Are

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Mr. ERMORE. shall vote for striking
opt the clause, because I conceive it essentially

nècessary so do. The power of originating
money bills within these walls, I look upon as
a sacred deposite which we may neither violate
nor divest ourselves of, although at first view if
may appear of little importance the -hall for
a plan for the improvement of the revenue.
Although every information tending too effect
this great object may be gratefully received by
this House, yet it behaves us to consider to
what this clause may lead, and where it may
terminate. Might it not. by construction, be
said, that the Secretary of the Treasury has the
sole right of digesting and reporting plans for
the improvement of the revenue? This con.
struction may appear a little extraordinary. but
it is not more so than some constructions here.
tofore put upon other words: but however ex.
traordinary it may be it may take place and I
think the best way to avoid 11. will be to leave
out the words altogether. It is certainly im
proper that any person, not expressly entrusted
by our constituents " ith the privilege of taking
their money should direct the quantum and the
manner in which to take it.
But if there is not the danger I have mention
ed, of giving power exclusively to this officer,
would ask gentlemen. and I submit it to their
candor to say. whether it must not have a ten
dency to render the minds of the members in
different on the subject. if the business is to be
arranged and conducted by another. who, we
are told, is better capable of aderstanding it
than ourselves? Certainly we shall hardly think
it worth while to trouble our head, about the
business. How far this will disappoint the of
ject of our election. may be plainly seen. For
my part, I think the power too great to be entrusted in any hands but those of the represenfatives of the people, where the constitution has

deposited it. unless it be to a committee *pecially appointed by the House for that purpose
Some allusions, Mr. Chairman, have been
made with respect to the origin of this power
Gentlemen have intimated that it was copied
from the powers vested in the First Lord of the
Treasury. I am not of this opinion. I rather
believe the committee, in searching for precedents, have turned to the former appointment
of Superintendent of Finance under the late
Confederation and, having discovered

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curtailing this part of the Secretary' duty.
-hall love the advantages which the proper
system was intended to acquire. The inipros
ment and management of the revenue is
jeet that must be investigated by a man of abil

ties and indefatigable indu-try. if we mean
have our business advantageously done
honorable gentlemen will for a moment CODAL

the peculiar circum-tauces of this country
means of infor nation attainable by the mails
doat members of this House, and compare the

with the object they have to pursue. they

plainly perceive the necessity of calling to
aid the advantages resulting from an establish

ment like the one contemplated in the tell:
they weigh these circumstances carefully. the
objections. I trust. will vanish Coming. Mr.
Chairman. as we do. from different parts of
Union. from States where the objects of few
nue are different. where the circum-fances
views of the people are different. and in trea

degree local. if appears to me that noone memb
can be NO fortunate as to possess the

nowledge attainable by this officer.
circumstance induces the to draw the after

clusion. We shall find systems adopted

defeat the collection of the revenue but it
be impossible for any of us to become NO

acquainted with these mac hinations as to defe

their olges : but from the mivantageous
tion we give the Secretary of the Treasury,
the multifarious objects of his attention. he

watch over and detect their plans: he will have
a better capacity to propose a remedy than

member of the Legislature

I do not apprehend any undue influence tipe
rating on the member of this House because
am persuaded there will ever prevail an made

pendent and indignant spirit within the wall.
Congress, hostile to every venal attempt

do I believe it possible to color. with

sem

blance of justice. either false or have
against the public welfares the wisdom of this
House can never be thought NO meanly of
trust a majority will always be found Wise and
virtuous enough to resist being made the find.

of at corrupt administration 1. therefore

confidence. approve the object of the clause.

I will mention one other circumstance, of

recon-idenable force, in lavor of the bill. Com

me. as said we do. from districts with differ
ent ideas, perhaps different objects to pursur

merated among his powers, have copied it into
the bill, not adverting to the different circum-

much time will necessarily be consumed before

stances of the present and former Congress: for

jurity will runt and even th gentlemen will

originating revenue plans. Besides, it might be

mation that could be obtained. It appear

to them alone was not confined the power of
safe in them. because they possessed the legis

lative and executive power; they could delish

current is found in whic h the mind of the tha

not le certain they have procured all the states

therefore to me. from the reason and nature of

thing-. to be our duty. as WIM legislator

his plans and his office together, if they thought
proper: but we are restrained by a Senate. and

form such a resPENDED for information as will
supply us with what is necessary and useful

hands.

liberty of the people is commendable in these
the are appointed and sworn to be its faithful
guardians: be when this -purit in carried NO fax

and the negative of the President. We have
no power over him. therefore we ought to be
cautious of putting dangerous powers into his
Mr. SEDOWICK II the principle prevails for

all times

Mr. Box DINOT \ proper jealousy for the

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instea

lead

of

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and might supply omissione or defects without

Unit. hazard: and this in half the time we could
frame * -tem, if left to reduce the chaos into

orde

Mr.

interest

and

pro-perity

of

mights,

the

THE to express his senti

11

be

del

on

every

IN

casion.

with

diffi

Ne contlement we dence in lus own abilities but he looked upon

by the other to adopt plans we the later as both unsate and inconsistent with
reject: For my part. have the constitution He thought the gentleman

of the 1 netration of the repre
last up proved too much by his as cuments; he
people than to dread any such proved that the House of Representatives was,

in fact. unnecessary and useless: that one

consider whether this power is Pench person could be a better judge of the means to
necessary to the Government I take it
improve and manage the revenue. and support

In theascentlemen.
that " is the greas,
trational credit than the whole body of Con
They
they are willing
This kind of do ctrine, Mr. Chairthe inter mation be ause it may be NU
mail. is indelicate in a repablic and strikes
but do not house to have it communi
at the root of all legislation founded upon the
to

in this way. It the Secretary of the

great democratic principle of representation.

. the proper person to give the infor

It is true. mistakes. and very injurious ones,

it

can are this other mode of obtaining

would be will useful. Do gentlemen mean

have been made on the subject of finance by

some State Legislatures: but I would rather
submit to this evil. than, by my voice, establish

that he shall LIVE it piccemeal. by way of ques

and inswer This will tend more to mislead

tenets subversive of the liberties of my country.

withstanding what have said, am clearly of opinion it is necessary and useful to take
measures for obtaining other information than
what members can acquire in their characters
as citizens: therefore, I am in favor of the pre-

than for inform us If we would judge september

any outgies it would be better to have it in one
deat and complete view. than to inspect it by

chments: should lose the great whole in

the minuter. and, instead of a system. she uld
present our instituents with a strue ture com

sent bill: but think these words too strong If
it was modified so as to oblige him to have his

pascil of discordant parts counteracting and de
leasting the operation of vari h other properties.

plans ready for this House when they are asked
for. I should be satisfied; but to establish a legal

Make your officer responsible. and the pre

right in an officer to obtrude his sentiments

sumption is, that plans and information are pro

periv digested: list if he can secret himself

perpetually on this body, is disagreeable, and
is dangerous, inasmuch as the right is conveyed

matson he gives, I conceive this great principle

powers exclusively vested by the constitution

behind the curtain. be might create a noxious
milence. and not be answerable for the infor

in words of doubtful import, and conveying
in this House.

to be essentially necessary to
secure the public welfare: make it his duty to
study the subject well, and put the means in
has powers we can then draw from him all the

have seen too much the want of a like officer in
the State Legislatures, not to make me very devirous of adopting the present plan. It has been

he introduces. Very true: but how are we to

detect the impositions they contain, for, he says,

I

information be has acquired. and apply it to
its proper use. Without such au officer. our
plans will be ineffectual and inconsistent

One gentleman (Mr. AMES) has said, that
the Secretary would be responsible for the plans

we require more time and leisure to make the
scrutiny than falls to our lot. so that it does not

afford the degree of responsibility which his ob.
servations supposed.

Mr. GERRY expressed himself in favor of the

and, that the members coming from the differ

object of the clause: that was. to get all the in.

eat parts of the I mon are the most proper per

salis to give information. I deny the principle.

the revenue, because he thought this informa
tion would be much required if he judged from

whom we could look with less propriety for in
formation on this subject than to the members
of this House. We are called from the pursuit

of the people to contribute largely toward its

There are no persons in the Government to

of our different or cupations, and come without
the least preparation to bring forward a subject
that requires a great degree of assiduous appli

calion to understand: add to this the locality of
our ideas, which is too commonly the case. and

we shall appear not very fit to answer the end
of our appointment. Witness the difficulty and
embarrassments with which we have hitherto
been surrounded If we had the subject digestel and prepared. we should determine with ease
on its fitness, its combination, and its principles,

formation possible for the purpose of improving

the load of public debt, and the present inability
reduction.

He could not help observing, however, the
great degree of importance they were giving
this and the other executive officers. If the

doctrine of having prime and great ministers of

state was once well established, he did not
doubt but we should soon see them distinguished

by a green or red ribbon, or other insignia of
court favor and patronage. He wished gentlemen were aware of what consequences these
things lead to. that they might exert a greater
degree of caution.

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of Parliament in Britain and is then first

The practice the sum they will grant,

to determine subject to a Committee of Ways be pur- and
Means:this
referHouse.
the this might be a proper mode to
sued

in gentlemen, said he, consider the impor- the

Do the power they give the officer author by
tance of Is it not part of our legislative expressing

626

(Jest us.

our time to no avail. Under there cif-

suine it will be patriotic to lay down our
established.

cuinstance. authority and vest it in the great minister we

have LAWRENCE do not see consequetices
Mr. dangerous as some gentlemen seem appre
hend; so nor did they appear last under to them. consideration I believe,

when recollect. the subject Mr. Chairman. was that some difficulty

clause? declare rity? And that does the House not the solely constitution bills? shall exercise Now. what the

power of originating reporting revenue plans? It surely that includes is, a

is meant by of originating money bills, in other

I made about establishing this office. because

was feared we could not find men of soft.
it was abilities to fill it. The duties were then
cient deemed of a high and important na

the idea improving the revenue, the or, treasury.

properly and enumerated as those proposed in the

words, if be is to report plans, they ought to This

bill. that the power* here expressed might was be

will for for bringing revenue into be re-

For ported in a proper form, and in complete. legislative busiis giving as executive indirect officer. voice If this be not what the

- of the clause, let shall gentlemen gos but say if my
and to what is true, extent we it are giving the up constitu- the most

construction vested in us by officer

reporting But privilege what does this signify? This The responsi- is

tips. and we are secure. in favor of every
bility is made of power. an argument should be glad to under-

extension the term. Gentlemen say the Secretary informa

stand Treasury is responsible for the does
of the gives the House- what manner reports
tion be responsibility act? Suppose he tax which
plan for improving this the revenue, one that by will a be agreebe thinks judicious, people of and the United States; that but his he

able to the to be deceived in his opinion. clamor

obserious, and excites a popular of

ture. It was supposed by an honorable gentle

man, in a board. because an individual

lodged toundertake the whole. But now
incompetent have the wonderful sagacity of discovering will

we
is appointed.
he the have re.
thatif an
to individual
form plans
for improving

capacity such an advantageous manner a
venue in the necessity of having the the repre busi

supersede of the people consulted on duties

sentatives he will not only perform the usual all

ness; Board, but be adequate to par
of Treasury of legislation. I appeal to the gentleman

poses usual candor on this occasion, which

will for his assure us that he has wire drawn his ar

guments. sir, if we give this power to an indihope, we shall have judgment enough with to dis the

vidual, whether his plans are consistent while
cover
and prosperity
be no cause We
publichappiness
this judgment,
thereand
can

minister what is the advantage de

exercise to apprehend the chimerical effects portrayed

ibility? Nothing Few men all

by the gentleman said to be giving last up. him the power of legis

for the error of opinion the law,

done would be to repeal

It is Do we give him the power of this deciding

lation. be law? While we retain puw

what shall us all the information possible

- be cautious the judgment in future of a in man depending who had the

er. he may never give be said to participate whatever in legisla

mallelly on impolitic measure. estimate. Suppose is he

but business; can he has no control over deal

information fall balance? short of his This will be carresponsible for the further than any Government to be

this arising from the clause; by making reasona

The rying idea done. What then is the officer the House

hicherto has for. which should induce powers!
vest in him observed such extraordinary by the honorable when genterms was over well the way, before (Mr. the PAGE, House, that we must

bio bill or plan the is whole: for if the individual subject as

/ reject are so uninformed on it will the be next to
they have been represented, an alteration; we should
to sidety prepare officially to present that plans. he is

** was officially to pass them; nay, bet
botter informed duty than any wisdom other of man, the country.

with the collective goes further still, and it for may a
disargument occasion It incumbers is there the nation
prove

the

Secretary's

plans,

tive House. I see no danger, but a great it

his of benefit, duty to study the subject, we may
bly expect it information. said, that the power of reporting

How is the improvement of the revenue. The is

plans
for of declares
originatingthat
money
bills? to be vest
the power
power
constitution in this House. Now, will gentlemen individual

ed solely bill is originated by an It cannot be
say a money if he brings it forward of the
member in my opinion, until the sense for the
originated is declared much less can a plan to be no
ney
improvement
House of the revenue be said

bill. GERRY admitted that he gave to it as find his a
Mr.
it was not an easy thing
opinion, person that for conducting the in Ecrope finances who in

proper this country there were equal bet to few the undertaking
possessed He said before. abilities that he knew were but not one many in Ame to be

service. with - a heavy of For, Congress? expense, if we can without neither we rendering can alter only nor it con any im found. rica, and These believed were there his sentiments then. of

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he had made no discoveries since that warranted
change of opinion. But perhaps the advocates

of the bill are acquainted with a gentleman
fit for the business; if they are, it is more

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which is but another word for bills, for the
management and improvement of the revenue,

fore, it was an honorable member of the Senate,

and supporting public credit. To what an ex.
tent these last words may reach, I shall not
pretend to say but certainly they may include

other person he had heard of.

the clause will bear the construction I have
mentioned, it is altogether unwarrantable

who had made more progress in acquiring a
knowledge of this difficult science, than any

He would not proceed on this subject, be
cause the House had determined to appoint

each an officer, and thereby put an end to the
debate. By that vote, they supposed they could

the operations of more departments than one. If

said, I differed from the gentleman with respect

to the origin of bills, but perhaps this phrase
may be applicable to a bill on its passage: all
bills, from the time they are admitted before the
House, may be said to be on their passages but

fand a man equal to the task: he hoped they
might, but he was really apprehensive of dis

they are originated, as I take it, at their introduction

appointment, when he considered the confused
and embarrassed state of our public debts and

Mr. FITZSMONS was not certain that be un-

accounts; however, he submitted to the voice

derstood the objections which were made against

of his country

The gentleman last up, said he, did me the
benor of noticing what I said on a former occa.
signs but I appeal to himself " hether my words
were conveyed in the language of the bill. Did

advise any thing like this? Has not the gendeman sagacity enough to discover that my ar.
gements went no further than this, that he was
the proper person to give information respecting
the public revenues and expenses, the mode of
collecting, and the probable remedy for abuses?

Bet certainly, this House contains more information relative to the proper means of support-

of the national credit. and how far our con-

are capable of sustaining an increase
of taxes, or which mode of assessment would

yield most satisfaction. Yet gentlemen pro- to give the power of advising the House,
an these cases, to the Secretary of the Trea-

very. It was always my opinion, that the representative body from their sense of feeling,

- better judge of taxation than any indivi-

Jeal, however great his sagacity, or extensive

be means of information.

The gentleman says, we only give him power
begive information: that is what I wish, but the
classe goes further Is digesting and reporting

plane merely giving information These plans
will have to undergo the consideration of the
House, I grants but they must have some incoming from such high authority, and
if they have this in any degree whatever, it is
subversive of the principles laid down in the
constitution.

The gentleman says, a bill is not originated
satil it has obtained the sense of the House:
what is it then? The bill now under consideration has not obtained the sense of the House,

yet I believe that gentleman himself conceives

it to be a billa be uses the term when he is

speaking of it, and will hardly deny that it has

originated. I think, sir, whenever the House

order a committee to bring in a bill, or give
leave to a member to read one in his place, that

by that order they originate the bill: and here
that I am apprehensive of a diminution of
- privilege. By this law you give the Secreta1 the right of digesting and reporting all plans,

the clause; but if he did, it was jealousy arising from the power given the Secretary to re
port plans of revenue to the House. No gene
tleman, he believed, had objected to his pre

paring a plan, and giving it in when it was call

ed for If this were the case, perhaps harmony
might be restored to the committee by changing

the word report into prepare; he would there
fore
move that amendment, in order to try the
the sense of the House.
Mr. MADISON.-After hearing and weighing

the various observations of gentlemen, I am at
a loss to see where the danger lies. These are

precisely the words used by the former Congress, on two occasions, one in 1783, the other
in a subsequent ordinance, which established
the Revenue Board. The same power was also

annexed to the office of Superintendent of
Finance, but I never yet heard that any inconvenience or danger was experienced from the

regulation; perhaps, if the power had been

more fully and frequently exercised, it might

have contributed more to the public good.

There is a small probability, though it is but
small, that an officer may derive a weight from
this circumstance, and have some degree of in.

fluence upon the deliberations of the Legislature; but compare the danger likely to result
from this clause, with the danger and inconveni-

ence of not having well-formed and digested
plans, and we shall find infinitely more to ap.
prehend. Inconsistent, unproductive, and expensive schemes, will be more injurious to our

constituents than the undue influence which
the well-digested plans of a well-informed of.
ficer can have. From a bad administration of
the Government, more detriment will arise than

from any other source. The want of informa.

tion has occasioned much inconvenience and
unnecessary barthens under some of the State

Governments. Let it be our care to avoid
those rocks and shoals in our political voyage,
which have injured, and nearly proved fatal to,
many of our cotemporary navigators.
A gentleman has asked, what is meant by no

sponsibility? I will answer him. There will
responsibility in point of reputation, at least a
responsibility to the public opinion with respect
to his abilities; and supposing there is no per-

I

than he pretended to be, unless, as he said be

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talents and ability take as much care for the
preservation of their reputation as any other

be effected, without the plans always brought
before us? Whatever the House shall presume
to do on independent principles, may break in

ed. If a superior degree of wisdom is expected

upon the Secretary's system, or make him vary
his propositions, in order to accommodate them

species of property of which they are possess-

to be displayed by them, they take pains to give

proofs that they possess it in the most unequi-

vocal manner; this of itself will ensure us no

small degree of exertion.

With respect to originating money bills, the

House has the sole right to do it; but if the
power of reporting plans can be construed to

imply the power of originating revenue bills,
the constitution is inconsistent with itself, in
giving the President authority to recommend
such measures as he may think expedient or
necessary: but the construction is too unnatural to require further investigation.
I have admitted there is a small probability
of a small inconvenience, but I do not think it
any more an argument against the clause, than

it would be an argument against having windows in a house, that it is possible the wind and
the rain may get in through the crevices.
Mr. LIVERMONE expressed an apprehension

that the clause originated from a clause in an

ordinance of the former Congress: he found
now he was not mistaken; but he wished gentlemen to distinguish, in the manner he had at-

tempted to do, between properties of this Congress and that, from which they might discover
the impropriety of adopting it.

He thought gentlemen had sufficiently extelled the excellence of this office, and its advantages. He remembered that the grant of this

power to the officer who formerly presided at
the head of the finances, had produced some
morsels of this kind, the five per cent. impost.
a poll tax, and a land tax, if his memory served
him right, were submitted how far these were
likely to meet the approbation of the Union, he
did not says but certainly one of them would
meet few patrons. From this specimen, he did
not form so favorable an opinion as some gen
tiemen expressed of the revenue plans, prepared, digested, and reported by a Secretary of
the Treasury.

Mr. Page added, that the late Congress

were obliged to submit their plans to the State
Legislatures consequently, there was less dan-

ger of undue influence. As this was his principal fear, be would vote against every thing like

giving him authority to bring his plans before

the House.

Mr. LIVERBORE declared the amendment
proposed by Mr. FITESIMONS unsatisfactory,
and by so means removing the ground of complaint.

Mr. TUORES likewise objected to the amendment, because its effect would be precisely the

- with the words standing the bill. Why,

mid be, should the Secretary be directed to
property plans, unless it is intended that the
House would regularly call for them? The
views of the gentlemen are to have & uniformi

ty is the system of finances bet how can this

to what we have done. If we must adopt plans
for the sake of uniformity, we must adopt them
at all times, or lose our object.
However useful it may be to obtain informa

tion from this officer, I am by no means for
making it a matter of right in him to intrude
his advice. I admit, information may at all
times be acceptable, bot I think advice should
never come but when required. Are to be
advised on all casions, because we don't know

when to require it? Are the members of this
House incapable of asking for assistance when

they want it? W by have we not affroated the
other branches of the Government, as well

this House? Why have we not said that the
Secretary of Foreign Affairs should prepare and

digest plans for the formation of treatier
report them to the President and Senate are exclusively to manage that concern? The
cases are exactly similars but we did not choose

to offer them such an indignity. If it is right
one instance, it is equally so in every other.
We eaght to have given the Secretary at War
an opportunity of exercising his ingenuity,
devising plans of fortifications to strengthen
our shores and harburs we ought, in every case

where we have to decide, appoint officers with

the same view to aid our deliberations and, is
fine, to perform the whole duties for which we
were elected.

Mr. HARTLEY expressed himself satisfied with

the amendment proposed by Mr.

Mr. STONE was not afraid of giving the
ficer the power of reporting plans, because be

was sure Congress would, in every case, decide

upon their own judgment. A future Congress
would not pay such a deference, even their
predecessors, as to follow in their footstops,

less they were convinced of the good policy

their measures. He thought, the
wanted to make use of the information
by the Secretary, they ought to give

of their intention; consequently,
this kind was proper in the bill.
Mr. SHERMAN thought the principle held
by the clause, was absolutely necessary

received. It was of such a nature as to force
itself upon them; therefore it was vain ww.
tempt to clude it by subterfage. was earning
to the great abilities of a financier, that France
had been able to make the exertions we
witnesses of a few years ago,

ing the nation. This able man, after
ably improving the national

placed; but such was the

officer, that be has been
The honorable gentleman,
Carolina, (Mr. TOCKER.)
not make namelar
Departments of Foreign
assist the President.

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entities be would have found it unnecessary
it there made the duty of the heads of
departments to answer the inquiries of the Pre

want in writing. It in the proper business of

this House to originate revenue laws but as we
and infor mation to act upon. we must procure

it where it is to be had. consequently we must
get it out of this officer, and the best way of
AMER so. must be by making it his duty to bring
forward.

I do not contend for a word: if the spirit of
the clause is retained. I am satisfied.

Mr. do not see what we are

guarding against by striking out the words. un
leas centlemen mean to go so far as to introduce

prohibitory clause, and declare that the Se
cretary of the Treasury shall be restrained
from digesting or preparing plans for the in
privement of the revenue. If there is any evil
in having him attend to this branch of the by
- I cannot see how to avoid it. Suppose the
ficer is bad mail, and there are others like
him in this House, (for this must be what the
gentlemen are afraid of:) and suppose he has
persual a scheme for peculation, which In
hope* to get adopted by making dopes of the
hoticst part: how are you to hinder it from
wing brought forward? Cannot his friends in

.

todacce it as their own, by making and second

INE a motion for that purpose: Will you re
strain him from having access to the member
at of door And cannot he infuse his dati
group and specious arguments and information
states them as well in the closet. as by . public

and the ial communication? But, Mr. Chair
mail. an this House, or if it can. will it. pre
vent any of their constituents from bringing
below them plans for the relief of grievatices
" appressions? Every indiv adual of the com

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Mr. Box DINOT. from the managers on the
part of this House in the conference with the
Senate, on the subject of the amendments to
the Impost bill. reported that the conference
had agreed to pass the bill as amended by the
Senate, with some additional amendments, viz:

the duty on distilled spirits of Jamaica proof,
to be reduced from fifteen cents to ten cents
per gallon. The duty on all other spirits. to
be reduced from twelve to eight cents per gallon
The duty on beer. ale. porter. or cider. imported

in cash. from eight to five cents per gallon
The duty on been imported in bottles. from
twenty five to twenty cents per gallon. The
duty
on coal. from three to two cents per
bushel.
TONN AGE BILL

Mr. BOURINGT reported further with respect
to the Tonnaze bill, and the House agreed to the
Senates amendment, in the third section. where

by foreign vessels are allowed to carry good
coastwise, upon paym filty cents per (on at

each entry

And in the first section, whereby all ships

built within the I nited States. and afterwards
sold to foreigners, pay twenty cents per ton at
each entry less than if such vessel had been
built in a foreign country

The House then took up the amendment

proposed to strike out the clause discriminating
stween the tontage of vessels belonging to na

note in treaty. and those not in treaty

On this clause it was observed by Mr. M
that nothing had been urged at the con

lerence, by the managers on the part of the
Senate, in Lavor of this amendment. but what
had been repeated over atel over again. by the

manity can bring business before its by petition.

memoral. or remon-trance, provided it be

opported to the clause. ⑉ its original form in
this Hours But " was not contended by the

defined in a decent manner. How then du you
propose to restrain the Secretary of the Frea

Senate. that the principle was improper: NO far

auty:

from it. they thought - measure of a similar
tendency to be necessary and were inclined

think the clause is very well as it stand=
and shall therefore be against the amend
must

Mr. PAGE'S motion for striking out the clause
wing put and negatived:

The questions on Mr. motion to

amend the bill, by striking out the word report.
and inserting prepare, was taken and carried by
great majority.

After which the House adjourned
FRIDAY. June 26.

\ number of the members attending the in
trireting conference which toddy took place
with the Senate on the impost and Install bill-.
subusiness was done in this House

SYTURD June 07.
The engressed bill for establishing the Depart

ment of 11 at Was read the third time. passed.
and went to the Senate for its concurrence.

to take the subject up. but on a different scale,

and to extend it further than the House had
lither to contemplated U. had,however. some
doubt chether it would not be more prudent
to adopt the moderate my of the bill. than
apply to rasher expedient+: if the end could
be attained. without departing from the principles of moderation. it would redound to the
honor of the Government: but. at all events,
it was prudent to begin with measures of this
tempera if they were found ineffectual, it might
then be time enough to attempt more coercive
regulations, For these reasons. be was in favor

of the bill as it stood. without the Senate's
amendment.

There was another resumstance that had
con-iderable weight on his mind: it was uni
vereally admitted, that something ought to be

done this session. both for the dignity of the
I nited States, and to answer the high expec
tation of the people: but if the proposed dis
rimination be relinquished, there is little pro-

APPENDIX B

(1919) 58 Cong. Rec. 7130.

"Mr. LONGWORTH. I should like to know how the committee con-

strues section 4, particularly that portion of it which gives to the

President the recommendation as to revenues. Is this budget, in addition
to suggestions as to appropriations, to contain suggestions for the
imposition or raising of revenues?
"Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Why, yes; in so far as the President

sees fit to advise Congress. In other words, we want to put the duty
and the responsibility upon the President of the United States to outline
and present to Congress, as we feel he ought to, the fiscal policy of
this Government; in other words, to show how and where the money is com-

ing from and where he thinks every dollar of it ought to go. In other
words, we want to make him put all his financial cards on the table
here and before the whole country and be officially responsible for
them.

"Mr. LONGWORTH. For instance, take the case of this year,

where the total expenses for the fiscal year exceeds the sources of
revenue from all known sources by more than $3,000,000,000. Would it
be the duty under this plan for the President to recommend to Congress

how that deficit can be made up?

"Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Yes, absolutely. He ought to tell
Congress what his financial policy and ideas are, and then, if necessary,
go before the American people and back them up. If we differ with him
and change his budget, we will have to answer to our constituents when

we go home for reelection.

"Mr. GOOD. If the gentleman will allow me, that is the law
now, under the act of March 4, 1909.
"Mr. LONGWORTH. I understand the purpose of making this

provision is to make it the duty of the President to make suggestions
and recommendations as to revenue and recommendations as to expenditure?

"Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Yes; we feel that he ought to frankly

and fully let the country know what his policy is. He will have the

necessary machinery, and he should do the work and give the country the
benefit of his power and opportunity to save the people's money and

get the credit for it if he does and be blamed for it if he does not.

"Mr. LONGWORTH. In other words, the budget is, so far as
the Executive is concerned, a complete recommendation to Congress as
to the finances of the Government?

-2- -

"Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Absolutely. In other words, we
put the responsibility on the executive departments of this Government
to tell Congress and the American people what that financial policy
is and how to carry out what he promised during the campaign, what
his party stands for, and present it to the American people in a way
that everybody can understand. Then Congress will take up his recommendations, and we have the absolute power to indorse them or disregard
them. If we disregard them we have to answer to the American people

for it, whether we raise or lower it."
(1919) 58 Cong. Rec. 7229.

"Mr. STEGALL. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out section 7.
"The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment.

"The Clerk read as follows:
"Amendment offered by Mr. STEAGALL: Page

6, line 3, strike out all of section 7.

"Mr. STEAGALL. Mr. Chairman, this section provides
"That after June 30, 1920, no estimate
or request for any appropriation, and no recom-

mendation as to how the revenue needs of the
Government should be met, shall be submitted

to Congress by any officer of the executive

branch of the Government except the President,

unless at the request of either House of Congress.

"Now, there may be some necessity for this that I do not see,
but I can not understand why the various committees of the House, which,
at least so far as anything we know at the present is concerned, are

to continue to exist and function, should not have the right to the

estimates and recommendations of the various departments of the Government just as they have had heretofore. I do not see what harm can
come even if everything is done that has been suggested or contempla-

ted in connection with this bill. Even if we have the supercommittee

1 Note that as finally enacted the words "or any committee thereof"

were inserted. That insertion was made by a Senate amendment which also
authorised committees to request information, Sen. Rep. No. 524, 66th
Cong., 2nd Sess. 12. The Conference Commi ttee retained the first part
but struck out the second part of the Senate amendment. H.R. Rep. No.
104kg 46th Cong., 2nd Sess. 11 (quoted in the text of this memorandum

at p. 19). As finally enacted the bill contained, in section 212, a

provision requiring the Bureau of the Budget to make information available
to committees upon request and, in section 213, a provision requiring the
various departments and agencies to make information available to the
Bureau of the Budget.

-effort is to be made to create, there is no reason to prohibit
tting of these estimates to the various committees of the
CMR. BLANTON. will the gentleman yield?
are

"MR. STEAGALL. And certainly so long as those committees
to continue as they are now and to perform the same duties they

perform, there is no reason why they should not have this information from the various departments in connection with which they serve.
"MR. BLANTON. Will the gentleman yield?

MR. STEAGALL. In & minute I will yield.
"And as this section is drawn the Committee on Naval Affairs
would have no right to call upon the Navy Department or the Secretary
of the Navy for these estimates or figures or recommendations, or any
information; at least no right to require such reports to be submitted.
The same as to the Committee on Military Affairs, or any other committee
of this House, No committee will under this section be allowed to re-

celve this information, or at least if they may receive it they will

not have the right to require it, and the House will not have that
information except at its own request or in response to a resolution

of the whole House making such request. As I understand, this section
would mean that nothing could be done until the House itself took
action looking toward obtaining those recommendations and statements
from these various departments.
"MR. MADDEN. Will the gentleman yield?
MM. STEAGALL. Yes,

MR. MADDEN. The gentleman probably has overlooked the

fact that the President under this bill is charged with the responsibility of reporting all the budget appropriations for every branch of
the Government.

MR. STEAGALL. Yes; that is true, that he is charged with
such responsibility,
MR. MADDEN. And if the President is not made the sole
strumentality through which these reports are to be made, we would
chaos worse than we ever had before.

MM. STEAGALL. I understand thoroughly that the President

supposed to have the final say on all these matters, but I do not

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aee why the various Members of this House should not still have the

right to pursue their inquiries into every department as far as they
please, in order to get all the information they can from the departments or from any other source. Unless these various appropriation

committees are to be dispensed with, it seems to me no law should be
passed preventing the executive heads of the departments from furnishing these estimates and recommendations or any information desired.

But the paragraph reads that this 'shall not be done.

MR. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield now?
MR. MADDEN. This does not take away from anybody any right

of inquiry. It simply gives to the President exclusively the right

to make estimates and requests for appropriations and imposes on RG
the duty of making recommendations as to revenue needs in the budget.
"The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Alabama has

expired.

MM. STEAGALL. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent for
five minutes more.
"The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Alabama asks unanimous

consent to proceed for five minutes more. Is there objection?
"MR. BLANTON. I object.

"MR. GOOD. Mr. Chairman, the present law provides for the
manner in which the estimates shall be submitted, and then it provides
that all the supplementary estimates shall be transmitted to the Congress by the Secretary of the Treasury. Now, let us read very carefully section 7, to which the gentleman from Alabama objects. It
provides-

"That after June 30, 1920, no estimate
or request for any appropriation, and no recommendation as to how the revenue needs of the
Government should be met, shall be submitted

to Congress by any officer of the executive

branch of the Government except the President,
unless at the request of either House of Congress.

WAR. STEAGALL. Mr. Chairman, may I ask the gentleman a
question?

-5"MR. GOOD. Certainly.

MM. STEAGALL. Does it not say that no estimate or recommendation or request for any appropriation shall be submitted by any
executive head except the President, unless Congress especially requires it?
MR. GOOD. Absolutely, of course.
MR. STEAGALL. Then how can we get it unless Congress it-

self as a body requests it, as distinguished from a committee of Congress as heretofore?

MR. GOOD. The gentleman has based his argument on the

fact that none of the executive officers could come before committee
of Congress. This does not attempt in any way to control the executive departments 80 far as their appearing before committees for
hearings is concerned. This determines the manner in which estimates
are to come before the Congress, through the Speaker's desk, for
appropriations. If you are going to have a budget and make the President responsible for it, you can not have every Tom, Dick, and Harry
coming m every day, sending in requests through the Speaker desk

for an appropriation. The purpose of this bill is to make the Presi-

dent responsible for every request for money that comes to Congress.

that is au this bill does. It simply provides that this provision

of law that now obtains, which requires the Secretary of the Treasury
to transmit estimates from the several departments to the Speaker or
to the Vice President, shall be superseded by an act that requires the
President himself to send it.
MR. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield right
there?

MR. GOOD. Yes.

MR. CANNON. It does not prevent Congress from putting an

appropriation authorised by law on a bill, even though there is no

estimate?

MR. GOOD. Not at all.
MM. STEAGALL. I ask the gentleman as a lawyer if this does
not say that no estimate or request for an appropriation and no recommention as to how the revenue needs should be met shall be submitted
to Congress by the executive branch of the Government, except through
the President, unless Congress requests it?

-"MR. GOOD. Yes.

"MR. STEAGALL. None of these things shall be submitted to
Congress?

AR. GOOD. Yes.

"VR. TEMPLE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
MR. GOOD. Yes.

"MR. TEMPLE. Does not the existing law make exactly the same
provision about estimates that are now sent through the Secretary of
the Treasury?

"MR. GOOD. Yes.

"MR. TEMPLE. They must be sent in that way, and in no other

way. This law will in no way interfere with the committees or Members
than does the present law?
"MR. GOOD. No.

"MR. RAMSEYER. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
MR. GOOD. les.

MM. RAMSEYER. This not only refers to requests for appropriations, but to recommendations as to how the revenue needs of the

Government should be met?

"MR. GOOD. Yes.

MR. RAMSEYER. Would that preclude the Tariff Commission
from recommending to the Committee on Ways and Means methods of raising

revenue?

MR. GOOD. They have not that authority now. All that the

Tariff Board has authority to do is to investigate as to the cost of
production and things of that kind and to report to Congress. They

have no power to make recommendations,

MR. RAMSEYER. They are all experts. Suppose the committee

wants them to make recommendations?

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power

PMR. GOOD. No committee ought, to ask them to do that. All
they have now is to investigate and make findings of fact.
MR. ELSTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
"MR. GOOD. Yes.

"MR. ELSTON. Every executive officer is the mere agent of
Chief
Executive, and this measure merely provides that every recomLon
or expenditure should come from the Chief Executive and not

310 agents. That is, you do not want his agents to do it, but

President

MR. GOOD. Yes.
expired.

The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Iowa has

MR. MADDEN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last

word. I simply want to call the attention of the gentleman from

Alabama [Mr. STEAGALL to the fact that his fears are not well founded.
This does not in any wise prevent any Member of Congress, either in
the House or in the Senate, from making any inquiry that he may wish
to make or acquiring any information that he may need for the proper

discharge of his duties. It simply transfers the power of reporting

estimates for appropriations from the Secretary of the Treasury to the
President of the United States, and provides that the President shall
make his reports; in other words, that the President shall furnish to

the Congress of the United States a complete photograph of the annual
needs of the Government in advance; and it does away with the piecemeal
reports of items of appropriation in the various departments and makes
the President supply the information complete as to the needs of the

whole Nation.

Now, the question arises, do we want that? If we do not
want it we ought to stand where we are. The purpose of this section
L to do away with the present slipshod method of doing business and
institute a systematic, scientific mode of supplying information
to

the Congress, upon which Congress can base intelligent and economical

ation, and incidentally to supply to the American people information
ich the administration can base its crims for economy or
extravagance, as the case may be. That is the whole story. Thereis
no

danger in this thing. There is nothing hidden in it. It simply

goes to the American people with the statement that we are in favor

of a reform that is likely in the long run to help to economize in

public expenditures.

-8"The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered
by the gentleman from Alabama. [Mr. STEAGALL].

"The amendment was rejected.' (Underscoring supplied.)

TIMES-HERALD

109

DEC 21 1942

Broadway
By DANTON WALKER

The Roaring 40's
W WASHINGTON
hears
will become
Secretary of Labor
as that
soonLeon
as hisHenderson
health permits
Senator
Prentiss Brown will be only temporarily head of the OPA. the
job for which he will be groomed being that of assistant to

Economic Stabilizer James F. Byrnes, who is
now being referred to as the Assistant Presi-

of ho will father
the next tax be presented 18.conand

dent' the Treasury It leginition will be Byrnes, to not Secretary
gress

arme

This griet ask (

to

110
December 21, 1942
2:00 p.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr.

HMJr:

John?

John

Pehle. Go ahead.

Pehle:

Yes, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

Are you at all familiar with Sterling Products?
I think so.

P:

HMJr:

How - how 18 the management there now?

P:

They seem to be very clean here.

HMJr:

Yes.

P:

and our rec.. - our investigation here showed
that they were clean, but we wanted to satisfy
ourselves as to what they were doing in Latin

America. We have two people down there now check-

ing into that.

HMJr:

Well, you know about Harold Thomas helping us in
War Bonds?

P:

No, I don't.

HMJr:

Did they ever talk to you about it?

P:

They didn't talk to me, no, sir.

HMJr:

I see. But as far - is there - is there any

reason - well - I mean he's given us about half
of his time.
P:

HMJr:

Is he with Sterling?
No, he's with one of the subsidiaries.

P:

I see.

HMJr:

But it's part of Sterling.

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-2P:

HMJr:

P:

I see.

But he's been with us helping Harold Graves now
for six months.

Probably perfectly all right. They're doing an
awful lot of work helpful to us on the advertising side in Latin America.

HMJr:

They are?

P:

They're plugging the American line very strongly.

HMJr:

Yes.

P:

But we can just check this discreetly if you want
us to.

HMJr:

Well - no, because I just wanted your impression.

P:

Yes.

HMJr:

How about - but the American company?

P:

The American companies were always pretty clean.
How about Mr. Hill?

HMJr:
P:

Well, we have fundamental doubts as to them, but

right now I think that their interests and ours

are the same.
HMJr:

I see. But it - it's Harold Thomas who'11 be down

here helping us.
P:

Yes.

HMJr:

And Graves never spoke to you?

P:

Not - no, sir. I'm sure he didn't speak to me.

HMJr:

I see. I see.

P:

He may have spoken to someone else, however.

HMJr:

Okay.

P:

Right.

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No.

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28

October, 1942

THE INFLATION PROBLEM
GROSS
Business Toxes Reserves

Income

Payments

to Individuals

Capital
Formation

War Goods

and Services
Personal

Savings

Civilian
Goods and
Services

Consumer
0

Expenditures

PRICES

$70 Billions

$851 Billions

Inflation
The chart, reproduced above, was prepared in the
Tax Research Division of the Treasury Department.
In it the Division presents forecasts of the amount that
consumers will try to spend in 1943 and the value at
present prices of the goods and services they will find
on the market. Business capital formation and non-

war Government expenditures, as indicated by the
chart, are relatively small in contrast to the larger
of consumer income and demand.

and and
consumer
the
reveals a serious between

problem The chart expenditures the lack supply of balance of goods

services. The implication here seems to be that

SUPPLEMENT TO PUBLIC POLICY DIGEST

SUPPLEMENT TO PUBLIC POLICY DIGEST

No. 28

28

1)

Taxation

Unfortunately none of the addresses from which
supply of goods and services must be increased or the
of money coming on the market for consumer

these figures are taken include the General Counter's
estimates for business taxes and reserves, for capital

goods decreased in order to prevent a serious pressure

formation, or inventories Neither is there a definite

One Des Moines on October 27. includes a particularly concise

figure showing expenditures for war goods and serv
ices. Mr. Paul does point out, however, that the total

in description of Mr. Paul's views regarding the adequacy of the

war budget, requested in the 1942 Budget Message and
in subsequent budget revisions, now stands at $78 bil.

posals 1942 for increasing taxes Under the Act major reliance will

amount the money side of the scale can be reduced

ciency tax which be says not ordinarily recognized-

"its revenue producing measure" He believes

be on borrowing to raise war funds instead of placing greater

that sales does not within gunshot of solving our

lion, "which together with non-war Governmental ex

emphasis on taxation-which Mr. Paul feels is the best weapon
at our command for distributing fairly the economic burdens of

source revenue to the states caught in the financial difficulties

penditures makes a total for the fiscal year 1943 of $85

the He is encouraged to note that the Act furthers the

problem despite the fact that a productive
of the depression years

of converting the income tax tax. In 1940

Post War Credits

about four million taxpayers paid tax the 1959 income but

which will be in operation for only part of the year.

1943

is

market for consumer goods by means of increased taxes
or increased savings or both

at this time Mr. Paul stresses further des

Revenue Act and his opinions regarding various pro

billion. With tax revenue augmented by the 1942 Act,

only by withdrawing income before it gets on the

would require large force of highly skilled and
auditors and the use of machinery and equipment that

we shall still be left with the necessity of borrowing in

there
the

the fiscal year 1945 more than $60 billion."

will

be

established

more

income

than

27

tax

million

system

net

credits should be considered according

close

conjunction with a further expansion of

under the gross Victory tax.
use

mates for the other items. Additional information
which presented in this Supplement is taken from a
number of recent public addresses by Randolph Paul,

General Counsel of the Treasury. These mimeo-

collection of the regular net income tax at the source. This
by Treasury officials because collection-at-sourc

capital, on the one hand, and smaller supply of goods

would tap the income stream as it flows into the hands of indi
viduals it provides a taxpaying machinery which fits into the
weekly or monthly family budget of the new taxpayers; the
administrative difficulty will not be great-a may be judged by
English, Canadian and other experience "The 1942 Revenue

and services on the other hand contribute the price

(
1)

Price Control Act by Congress and the creation by the

President of the Office of Economic Stabilization will
make an invaluable contribution to the successful con-

trol of inflation He goes into some detail regarding
the increased use of taxation and savings as a further

means of diminishing the inflation threat According
to Mr. Paul, the dimensions of the inflation problem
revealed by careful examination of the following
figures:

"The total of the income currently being received

by all individuals in the nation is running at more

than $115 billion year It is likely to reach $125
billion in the calendar year 1943. Even after all individual taxes payable directly to Federal, State and
local governments, there will remain for spending or
saving more than $110 billion
"The supply of goods and services available to con-

sumers is currently running at the rate of $80 billion
year. An optimistic figure for 1943 is $70 billion.
The difference between $110 billion and $70 billion,
best

estimates annual current saving run at less than $25
billion. If this rate of saving is maintained there will
still be left $15 billion of purchasing power in excess

"We should not delude ourselves into thinking that
we have complete freedom in the distribution of this
real cost of the war. We must compensate individuals
who are working when they have not previously been

working or who are working longer or who have
changed from positions in the civilian economy to posi-

tions in the war economy. We can compensate them
out of a diminishing supply of goods and services only
through the sacrifices of others who for one reason or
another are not being asked, or are not able, to work
harder, longer, or in a new capacity. These persons,
often described as the fixed income group, have no

during but would return is as after the war as

important bearing upon inflation with

to work longer and more intensively next year than
this year. "Harder work and the exhaustion of our

inescapable economic cost of the war.

Mr. Paul believes that the passage of the Second

of consumer goods available."

suggestion put forward by the Treasury. Mr. Paul

problem is more fundamental More people will have

civilians must pay to win the war. They constitute the

graphed statements may be obtained upon application
to the Treasury Department, Washington.

or $40 billion, is the inflation threat The

ventional monetary terms, he emphasizes that the basic

permit an equitable adjustment by allowing

post-war credit. to persons with commit

points which advantages

the fact that such program
there

verbal evasions, can protect the whole of the fixed in
come group from a larger than proportionate diminu
tion of their standard of living.
"If we do nothing, the physical realities of today will
inevitably develop into a disastrous inflation of tomor

row. We may as well recognize that individuals will
not of their own choice save close to half of the in
come that is available for spending or saving They

services that will be available. If consumer incomes
are not withdrawn by taxes and borrowing. they will

flow to the market in a stream that will break the
dam of price control and rationing. When a dam
breaks, the floods are not far away."

and

the

other
reducing
taxation

the

may

that

Act provides for collection-ate under the Victory tax. It is

that be extended to the regular net

Spending Tax

well."
The

tax

one

Mr. Paul thinks our increased taxes should be considered in

most

the

of

meeting

the

in

current

the

most

problem,

according
who

can

afford levied the of money

relation those of other countries He attaches to his address
as interesting chart which compares our rates with those of
Canada and Great Britain which are still far higher than ours

Mr.

on

that the spends for consumers goods services
over and the amount considered necessary maintain
minimum standard of living Those who spend enough

In opinion may soon need to supplement the income tax
with other elements "more capable of recognizing the factor of

incentive in the war effort and designed to recognize the fact
that many individuals assumed substantial long-term obligations when tax rates were at peace-time levels. Three basic

provide standard of living sufficient to maintain working effi-

ciency tax to pay Those who spend somewhat

moderate would tax
high

alternatives are described by Mr. Paul: (1) the sales tax. (2) the
"compulsory saving" and (3) spendings

demands

expenditure

level

reduced

upon

national

supply

and services would be required to pay heavy
words

other

Sales Tax
strike

of

the

would

inflationary

be

progressive

pressure

the

will

excessive

volume of consumer spending and the restricted volume of consumers' goods and services". This form of taxation leaves to the

The Treasury's stand against the sales tax is well known
Mr. Paul gives as the reasons for this disapproval the facts that

it places the cost of the war on those least able to bear

individual wide scope of choice in deciding how much

that cost; the easiest type of sales tax to administer. the manu-

will speed and hence what tax he will pay. Since the spendings

facturers or wholesalers tax. would ruin our price otilings
The Revenue Act of 1942 FROM GPO 200 Pages. Price: 15c.

tax return would be combined with the regular income tax
return and collected in the same way there would be little addltional administrative machinery or trouble for the taxpayer.

are human beings and they will inevitably try to spend
more than the value at present prices, of the goods and

wart

after

government
further

tax.

choice. No financial legerdemain, no tax panaceas, no

lending

independent

an

means of raising funds will be most effective at
levels. It would withdraw purchasing power

a

exists between the $85 billion for consumer expenditures and the $70 billion for civilian goods and servit will be interesting to some persons to see esti-

While Mr. Paul states the inflation problem in con-

is

While the Chart's main story is the unbalance which

It

civilian goods side of the scale. Presumably, the

retail sales tax would to some extent affect price cellings and its

of these addresses before the Iowa Bankers Association

of

price ceilings and sharp rise in prices. A sizable
increase in goods available for civilian consumption
obviously can be obtained only at the expense of reducing the volume of war production. If war production goals are to be realized little can be added to the

October, 1942

(

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No.

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113

MEMORANDUM

December 21, 1942.

TO:

The Secretary

FROM:

Mr. Sullivan

Eight additional men from the Technical Staff
Office in Chicago have been assigned to the Salary Stabilisa-

tion Unit in that city. Commissioner Helvering tells me
he believes this will enable the force to handle the problem
of Christmas bonuses expeditiously.

KAY:

Charles S. Ellis, Peabody Coal Co., Chicago

Ill. telegram of 12/14 was sent to

Commissioner of Internal Revenue.
The Commissioner replied by telegram

on 12/18/42 as follows:
"Retel December 14 to Secretary. As

all pertinent facts have been furnished
Chicago office believe they can make
ruling more expeditiously since congestion
here equally heavy."

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114

and are going to public work or moving into the small
towns, to live on what they have accumulated in past
years. Most of them are man and wife who are past
middle age and just not able to do the heavy farm work
which they carried on while they had their boys with
them. As a banker, I am not making any suggestion as
to what can be done or what remedy can be applied to

relieve the situation. I am just giving you the in-

formation for whatever it may be worth to your Department and to the Department of Agriculture.
Charles S. Ellis, Peabody Coal Company, Chicago, Ill.
(Telegram) # *** On Friday, December 11, we filed ap-

plication with your salary stabilization division at

Chicago, Ill., for approval of proposed Christmas
bonus. Our representatives who filed such applications do not believe your Chicago office has sufficient
personnel to handle the number of similar applications
which have been recently filed in time to permit pay-

ment before Christmas. Matter is of vital interest

to our company and its employees. Is there any way
our application can be approved before Christmas,

either at Chicago or Washington? If necessary, will

be glad to send representative to Washington at any
time appointed by you. Can you help please?

It has been some months since mention was made of the

fact that Mr. Melchor Leon of Mexico has continued his

donations in accordance wi th his promise. It will be

remembered that he is part Mexican and part Chinese.
He makes a monthly donation of $200, and in addition,
sends a draft covering 25% of all purchases made by

American citizens in his store. The two checks received
this week were therefore for $200.00 and $192.01.
Corydon L. Baker, Shop Steward, United Electrical,

Radio and Machine Workers of America, Local 257, CIO,

Lynn, Mass. sends copy of Resolution recently adopted
Be it Resolved: That the members
by that Union

(

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December 21, 1942

My dear Chester:

Thank you very much for your telegram
of December 19th, a copy of which I have
forwarded to Secretary Wickard with a recom-

mendation that he look into this matter.
I will let you know what happens.
Yours sincerely,
(Signed) Henry

Mr. Chester Davis
President, Federal Reserve Bank,

St. Louis, Mo.

File in Diary

116

No one in Secretary's office to
receive this.

117

W29G73WASH (LONG) H63 STL 19-1143
HON HENRY MORGENTHAU JR
1942 DEC 19 DM

I 19

SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

AS YOU KNOW THE BANKERS HAVE BEEN MAINSTAY IN WAR SAVINGS BOND
SALES AND THROUGHOUT MUCH OF RURAL AREAS AARE OUR LEADERS IN VICTORY

FUND CAMPAIGN. THEY ARE ALSO READY AND ANXIOUS TO DO THEIR FULL
PART IN FINANCING AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION FOR WAR IN 1943 STOP
I HAVE JUST READ THE HANDBOOK FOR AGRICULTURAL WORKERS IN
CONNECTION WITH FOOD FOR FREEDOM CAMPAIGN 1943 WHICH STRESSES

FARM CREDIT AND FARM SECURITY AS SOURCES OF LOCAL CREDIT FOR
PROGRAM AND NOWHERE REFERS TO BANK CREDIT AS AVAILABLE TO AID

PROGRAM. AM INFORMED THAT SIMILAR PRESENTATION IS BEING MADE IN
REGIONAL AND LOCAL MEETINGS STOP MR. HEMINGWAY, PRESIDENT A.B.A.
IS RECEIVING MANY COMPLAINTS FROM BANKS AND IS FILING STATEMENT ON
MATTER WITH SECRETARY WICKARD STOP IT OCCURRED TO ME YOU MIGHT

WISH TO MAKE REPRESENTATION TO SECRETARY WICKARD SINCE I AM SURE
HE DOES NOT INTEND NON-RECOGNITION OF COUNTRY BANKS IN FOOD FOR
FREEDOM PROGRAM.

CHESTER C. DAVIS
PRESIDENT, FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF STLOUIS.

118

TELEGRAM

COPY

WAA163 144/142 2EXTRA

ST LOUIS MO DEC 19 1942 1243 P
HON CLAUDE R WICKARD

SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE
THE NATIONS BANKS ARE READY AND ANXIOUS TO SUPPORT FOOD-FOR-FREEDOM PROGRAM

WITH CREDIT SERVICE AGAIN NEXT YEAR STOP REGRET TO STATE HOWEVER THAT IN
DISCUSSIONS AT RECENT REGIONAL CONFERENCES TO CONSIDER FOOD PRODUCTION GOALS

FOR 1943 BANKS WERE NOT INCLUDED AS SOURCES OF CREDIT TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM
STOP ACCORDING TO MOBILIZATION PLAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY WAR BOARDS IN EVERY
COUNTY OF THE COUNTRY IT WOULD APPEAR THAT FARMERS ARE TO BE GIVEN THE
IMPRESSION THAT THE ONLY SOURCE OF CREDIT AVAILABLE TO THEM IS THAT OF
CREDIT AGENCIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE STOP RESPECTFULLY URGE
THAT THIS PROGRAM BE AMENDED TO RECOGNIZE THE COUNTRY BANKS AND THE IMPORTANT
PART THEY PLAY IN THE FARM ECONOMY STOP THE FOOD FOR FREEDOM COMMITTEES OF

THE AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION ARE AVAILABLE FOR ASSISTANCE IN YOUR
PROGRAM AND SHOULD BE USED

W L HEMINGWAY PRESIDENT AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION AND
PRESIDENT MERCANTILE COMMERCE BANK AND TRUST COMPANY STLOUIS
MERCANTILE COMMERCE BANK AND TRUST COMPANY

119

December 21, 1942

Dear Claude:

I am sending you herewith a copy of
a telegram I have received from Chester
Davis.

Knowing how much you are interested

in being helpful on our sale of War Bonds,
I am sure you would be glad to personally
look into this complaint and let me know,

first, is it a justifiable one and, second,
if so, if there is anything you can do about
it.

Yours sincerely,
(Rioned) Henry

Honorable Claude R. Wickard,

Secretary of Agriculture.

File in Diary

120

December 31, 1942.

Dear Mr. Dallmans

It was very good of you to write me as you
did under date of December 14. and I want to thank

you both for your letter and for the elitorial
which accompanied 18.

This also gives - an opportunity to extend
the Season's Greetings and best wishes for the
New Year.

Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthan, Jr.

Honorable V. Y. Dallman,
Revenue,
Collector Righth District ofofInternal Illinois,

Springfield, Illinois.

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122

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE

SPRINGFIELD, ILL.
OFFICE OF THE COLLECTOR

December 14, 1942.

DGHTH DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS

REPLYING REFER TO

PERSONAL

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the U. S. Treasury,

Washington, D. C.

Dear Secretary Morgenthan:

Your Saturday night broadcast was perfect.
Sunday I wrote an editorial which today headed the

editorial columns of all issues of the Illinois State

Register.

Hoping this meets with your approval, and

with congratulations, I remain
fours very truly,

V Y. Dallman
COLLECTOR.

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12/21/42

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Bell
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with (M16

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Field Survey of Bond Drive in Ohio, December 7-9, 1942
Scope

Conversations were held with one or more bankers in
eleven communities, east, northeast, and south of Columbus,

Ohio, ranging in population from 6,300 to 40,000. The

communities visited were Newark, Zanesville, Cambridge,
Coshocton, Dover, Wooster, Ashland, Portsmouth, Jackson,
Chillicothe and Lancaster.
The survey included no community experiencing a war boom.

Each town visited had some manufacturing activity but was also

the center of a substantial agricultural area. The county

populations ranged from 27,000 to 70,000.
Findings

In most of the communities it was not until the week
ending December 7 that the organization effort was started
and solicitation was not scheduled to be under way in any large
extent until the week beginning December 14. The sales made

before December 14 represent the use of the same sales techniques as were applied in the October financing, namely, a

few telephone calls by individuals connected with the Victory
Loan organizations to, mainly, the institutional type of buyer
in the community.

A few investors have responded to the advertising and

come into the banks voluntarily; but the real test of the

selling techniques used for the first time in the December
drive cannot be measured until later in the month.

December is not an easy month to start a campaign because
retailers are busy, and many communities are in the midst of

their Community Chest drives. But from the point of view of
the Treasury's need for a field sales organization ready at
any time to participate in drives, the December campaign can
be regarded as fairly successful, for it is clear from the
conversations I held that it was not until the Treasury
opened the December campaign that any effort was made to

form a real selling organization. Therefore, the decision

to have a December campaign was justifiable, no matter what

the financial results in that month, for the second campaign
can deal more with actual solicitation and less with the
building of an organization.

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125

Some of the county chairmen seemed to me to be doing a
splendid job. Many of them have worked night and day. They
have arranged daily meetings of salesmen and others. They
have worked with Rotary and other clubs. They have been busy

in selecting salesmen and in preparing prospect lists, which

is difficult. The conventional practice, apparently, was
not to go over the lists of bank depositors, but, rather, to
work from the telephone books.

The organization effort from the top seemed to me to have
been a realistic one, for the county chairmen have been allowed

considerable latitude so that the particular situation in each

community could determine the form of the organization actually
put to use. Thus in one community the sales effort was organized

by professional and industrial groups. In another it was built
around a particularly active Rotary club. In another it
leaned heavily on the labor organizations. In another it was
handled almost entirely by the investment banking groups. In
another it was handled by the commercial bankers. In some
cases the farm organizations were used for solicitation.

It is clear that it would be futile to set up a fixed

pattern of organization because here and there there are no
labor organizations, some of the farm organizations appear to
be unpopular and in some cities the Rotary clubs are not very
active.

The banks have been participating splendidly in the cam-

paign. Their banking floors are full of advertising. They

were telephoning customers who have funds. They represent
the organizing agencies in most communities. They have spent
8 good deal of money in advertising the obligations and handling
the transactions.

The "basket" of securities, in the view of every individual
interviewed, seemed to include about the right number and
variety of issues for bank and institutional, as well as for
individual investors. However, a survey of opinion after
the drive is over might yield more reliable information on
this point. I gathered that the G's may very well make it
more difficult to sell the 21's in most small and mediumsized communities. The difficulty of educating the salesmen
concerning the various issues in the December drive might make

it a good idea to use the same basic issues for the next campaign so that more effort could be placed on selling and less
on educating the salesmen.

The advertising job is generally regarded as a good one.
One criticism expressed was with regard to failure of the
advertisements to feature the whole "basket". Most of the

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advertisements apparently overstressed the 2a's, which are

difficult to sell in the smaller communities in competition
with the E's and G's. There was some talk about lack of zip
in the advertisements. The people out on the firing line
seemed to sense that the conventional form of security advertising would work all right with the high-bracket investors
but that something a little more popular is desirable if the

low-bracket people are to be brought into the picture.
The talk of forced savings in several communities seems
to have frightened some investors, who interpret that term to
mean the conscripting of present savings. More than one of
the bankers interviewed stated that some prospects were fearful that if they held their savings where the Government could
lay its hands on them the savings would be taken away.
While most local chairmen appear to be doing a splendid

job in the very short period they had available, they can do
a still better job if they are given some professional assistance. In one community it might be desirable to lean a
little more heavily on the direct mail approach, while in
another it might improve the sales effort to bring the labor
unions or the professional groups a little more actively into
the campaigns. I think it was a help to a few of the men I
interviewed to find out what some of the other communities
were doing. One man said that he had neglected entirely a
very active Rotary club and would have a meeting the next day

at which the whole program could be given a little zip.
It is clear in all of these communities that one group
of savers is not being reached at all, in either the Victory
Loan Committee or the War Savings Staff drives. The former
is a very efficient means of reaching the middle and upper-

income brackets. The latter is effective only in pay roll

deduction. Many workers, even in the non-boom communities,
such as those visited, have funds which are not reached with

the ten per cent pay roll deduction, and most such individuals
are not on the Victory Committee prospect lists. Such

individuals are believed to have a substantial amount of funds. the

They are hard to locate since they are not on the books of
banks and in some cases they are not even in the telephone or

the city directories. These people whose savings have workers increased

sharply in the past year or so because of two or three the first
time for the full year instead of just for part of it, banker can
reached only through a house-to-house campaign. Every
with whom I discussed the question agreed with that.

per family, overtime, increased wages, and work for be

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Even in these non-boom towns the maldistribution of the

increases in incomes which originate in the war effort is
striking. While many families have two, three, or even five
times the incomes they had two years ago, there are other
individuals whose dollar incomes are not up at all and whose
real purchasing power and saving ability has been curtailed

by the rise in the cost of living.
It may be that the maldistribution of these increases in

incomes is, from the Treasury's point of view, quite important;
for if in bringing the communities' savings to the Treasury
forced savings or tax devices are used in such a way as to
"take the hide off" the millions of people whose incomes have
not increased at all while they leave the chief beneficiaries
of the war effort enough money to increase their scale of

living materially or to spend lavishly at the local beer

parlors, as a great many of them are doing, a great injustice

will have been done.
I

found in these small non-boom communities further evidence

the maldistribution of increases in incomes which we had disof
covered in certain other analyses. I found the same thing in
the Far West states, in Michigan, in Illinois, and in Massachusetts, where I have taken the trouble to S tudy the situation.
Furthermore, I have obtained - on a confidential basis - from
the chief employment executives of a number of the largest
corporations in the country evidence that while thousands of
their employees are making a very good thing out of the war
the white-collar groups are caught between rising costs and
stabilized incomes.

This maldistribution of increases in incomes which I saw
in each of these small cities must be allowed for in setting

up the next Treasury drive, for it is far better to use the

techniques of high pressure salesmanship to induce a worker
to use most of the increased income to buy War Savings Bonds

than it is to put into effect a fiscal program which would
require everyone, regardless of his ability to do so, to put
twenty or thirty per cent of his income into War Bonds or
taxes. In the one case no one would be hurt, and in the

other, many good American citizens may be forced to cancel to

insurance, sell their homes, reduce their assistance
dependent relatives, and reduce their support of home

charities and religious organizations, or curtail other
socially desirable expenditures.

The case for mobilizing for a real selling campaign it to

this money where it is, rather than try to squeeze demonstrated out

where get it just doesn't exist, seems to me to have

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to be a very good one. And it was interesting to see that this

maldistribution of increases in income is quite pronounced in
every one of the communities I visited.
As to the organization, the Victory Fund Committees sometimes include the chairmen of the War Savings Committees. In
certain of the towns visited, the War Savings Committees do
not seem to be as active as they were a few months ago, or as

they ought to be. There has been a little difficulty because

in some cases the Victory Loan Committees do not know whether

they would be permitted to sell an E Bond, and because here
and there the War Savings Staff people feel that when they

get a man invested in E's that is all that is expected of him.
But, in general, the Victory Loan Committees are promoting E's
because in the small towns many of their prospects have not

taken their limit in such obligations.
I gained the strong impression that the sales effort is

producing better results in those communities where the Victory
Loan Committees and the War Savings Committees are cooperating
closely.

Currency is flowing out in most of these communities; but
in one of them the trend is inward; week by week the banks
in that community are returning currency to the Federal Reserve.
In one of them there was no net in or out-flow. But in every
case the bankers said that their prospect lists did not include
the bulk of people who hold the currency.
The reasons cited for currency "hoarding" are fear of
confiscation by way of forced savings schemes, unwillingness
to do business with the banks which have had to initiate
service charges and low rates of interest on time deposits.
The money flowing into circulation is not evenly distributed
by communities or by individuals in the community. It can

be gotten out of circulation not, I think, by warning people
against hoarding, for that might merely advertise the
desirability of hoarding, but by having a war Bond salesman
point out that there is an attractive alternative available,
and that is investment in United States Savings Bonds.

The more potent the salesmanship for bonds and the
stronger the appeal addressed to the lower income groups, the

more currency will be returned from current circulation.
Suggestions for Consideration in Connection
with Campaign No. 2

1. That investigations such as that just completed in ohio,
Illinois, and Indiana be conducted in the first two or
three weeks of January by fifteen to thirty trained

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investigators covering every state in the Union to discover what improvements in drive technique are called for
from the experience of the December campaign. One of the
market research agencies can do that job quite easily.
2. That on the basis of these reports, a sales manual be
prepared, listing the most effective organizational set-ups,
the best sales appeals, the methods of training salesmen,
and so forth.

3. That the fifteen to thirty investigators be sent to spend

one day with the chairmen of each of the largest counties
to counsel with them in perfecting their organizations,
not to force uniformity of organization, but to make sure
that each community organization head knows the tricks of
the trade.

4. That the Victory Loan Committees and the War Savings Committees

be brought into one selling organization, perhaps with the
chairmen of the Victory Loan Committees and the chairmen
of War Savings Committees serving as co-chairmen of the
new committee. The Victory Loan Committee might be in

charge of solicitation of the larger investors in each
community and the War Savings Staff could have charge of
house-to-house solicitation of all individuals not on the
Victory Loan Committee list, and, of course, in charge of
any further pay roll deduction drives. But both groups
must sell the entire "basket" - concentrating, of course,

on the securities its prospects are interested in.

5. That consideration be given to the payment of a commission
of 1/8 to the individual salesmen on the house-to house

staff. In the communities visited I found that the banks
and many business concerns are understaffed and are unable
to free individuals for door-to-door solicitation. The
Victory Loan Committee people need not be compensated,

for they will be recruited from the well-to-do people in
each community. All that is required is a call from the

bank president to the head of some local industrial concern. But the War Savings Staff salesmen may be young
lawyers, real estate agents, or insurance agents who will
do their job better if there is some small compensation.
The larger security houses can, as did one in New York
City, pay an eighth to their salesmen, but the smaller
dealers and the banks in the small community simply can't
do it.

6. That the Treasury pay for much, if not all, of the War
Bond advertising. The Treasury cannot expect an adequate
advertising campaign to be contributed locally for the

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Treasury needs to advertise where the prospects are, not

where some public-spirited group is willing to contribute
the funds. The advertising should not be in the form of
the conventional announcement, for the masses, not the
classes need to be sold.

I believe a campaign along the lines I have described will
yield ten to twenty billion dollars per annum from people who
will not be reached through the pay roll deduction or the
Victory Loan Campaign type of approach. A successful campaign
to sell securities voluntarily to the people who have increased
their savings sharply in the past two years, and to those who
have hoarded currency, may make it unnecessary to resort to
the device of forced savings in any vicious form.
The first campaign had to be experimental and organiza-

tional, and in the smaller communities I visited it was successful in that sense, way beyond my expectation. I came back
convinced that the directional effort from the top must have
represented one of the finest jobs of its kind ever done.

D. Murray Shields

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UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS - SERIES E

Comparison of December sales to date with sales during the
same number of business days in November and October, 1942

(At issue price in thousands of dollars)

:

1

3
4

5

7
8
9

10
11

12

14
15

16
17

18
19

December as

:percent of November

$ 4,116

$ 5,164

39,690
16,648

8,605
18,647
58,337
74,984

9,272
20,460
31,309
53,076

46,424
11,887
17,857
13,607
38,664
17,480

121,408
133,295
151,152
164,759
203,423
220,903

62,326
96,366
111,002
146,494
161,929
181,120

73,919
98,490
117,077
131,593
169,859
179,232

194.8
138.3
136.2
112.5

52,056
15,530
22,764
24,848
25,260
17,907

272,959
288,488
311,252
336,100
361,359
379,266

188,497
230,083
241,624
262,274
287,409
314,568

194,811
222,243
239,891
254,201
290,282
312,386

144.8
125.4
128.8
128.1
125.7
120.6

$ 4,116
4,489
10,042

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury,
Division of Research and Statistics.

79.7%
-

:
2

October

-

:

December 1942

November

:

:

sales

December

:
:

daily

:

Date

Cumulative sales by business days
:

: December

$ 5,045
42,285
52,984

92.8
91.1
186.3
141.3

125.6
122.0

December 21, 1942.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account
of proceeds of sales of United States savings bonds. These figures with have been the

adjusted on the basis of wire reports and therefore will not agree

Treasurer's accounts.

Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add
to totals.

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UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS - SERIES F AND G COMBINED

Comparison of December sales to date with sales during the
same number of business days in November and October, 1942

(At issue price in thousands of dollars)

:

1
2

3
4

7
8

16

17
18
19

$

197

$

303

:percent of November
65.0%

20,322
24,325

34,030
43,940
49,326
58,842
64,157
71,352

31,922
46,695
55,998
59,711
74,275
76,430

138.1
113.5
120.5
110.6
123.7
121.2

73,989
83,246
88,888
97,154
104,487
113,191

83,857
91,884
98,457
101,252
110,052
115,757

137.8
131.7
129.1
130.1
127.2

527

2,688
13,947
12,303

3,214
17,161
29,464

1,115
7,846
14,720
31,425

17,522
2,872
9,576
5,651
14,274
7,135

46,986
49,858
59,434
65,085
79,359
86,495

15,430
7.719
5,146
11,654
6,466
7,992

101,924
109,644
114,789
126,443
132,909
140,901

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury,
Division of Research and Statistics.

December as

47.3
41.0
116.6
93.8

329

-

15

197

-

14

October

:

:
12

:

11

:

9

10

November

1942
$

5

:

sales

December

:

December

daily

:

Date

December

1
Cumulative sales by business days

$ 2,218

124.5

December 21, 1942.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account
of proceeds of sales of United States savings bonds. These figures have been
adjusted on the basis of wire reports and therefore will not agree with the
Treasurer's accounts.

Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add
to totals.

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December 21, 1942

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

At 10:30 A. M. Friday, December 18, 1942,
Secretary Morgenthau received Senator Downey of Cali-

fornia, and a discussion ensued concerning Treasury

policy in regard to applications for additional
branches by the Bank of America National Trust and
Savings Association.

Under Secretary Bell and

Comptroller Delano were present.

Senator Downey opened the discussion by stating
the Bank of America had requested that he present to t he

Secretary a brief outlining the position of the bank. He
stated he had not read the brief himself as yet but
would like to leave it with the Secretary for study and

answer. He further stated the Giannini interests felt
that under the law they were entitled to certain new
branches and that they were being discriminated against by

continual denial of their applications.

Senator Downey

made it clear that he was not undertaking to substitute

his judgment for that of Treasury officials but that he

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-2was presenting a viewpoint.

Secretary Morgenthau replied that he would

like to take a few minutes to inform the Senator as to
the background of this controversy and the present

attitude of the Treasury. He then made a brief summary

of the Treasury supervisory policy in this case, pointing
out that in 1933, his predecessor, Secretary Woodin, had
decided to permit the Bank of America to reopen against
the advice of every one concerned and that ever since
he (Secretary Morgenthau) had been Secretary of the

Treasury he had been attempting to improve the condition

of the bank and to force the Gianninis to abandon policies
and practices which were universally condemned by all who

knew the facts. The Secretary stated that this campaign

to restore the asset condition of the institution and
to improve the management had been met with sullen

opposition at every step from the Gianninis and their

officers, and that this opposition included personal
attacks on himself and attempts to have him removed from

office.

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Secretary Morgenthau continued that finally
Mr. L. M. Giannini had called on him personally and

alone. Mr. Giannini was then told that, despite their
many attacks and discourtesies, the Secretary of the

Treasury had no interest in either A. P. or L. M.

Giannini, but that his interest was unflagging in
preventing a further expansion of a banking organization

already over-extended. Mr. Giannini was also firmly informed at this conference that the policies and practices
which had proved so damaging to the bank and the general

financial situation on the Pacific Coast must not be
resumed and that there would be no weakening of super-

visory pressure toward that end. Subsequent to this
conversation with Mr. Giannini, the attitude of the Bank
of America underwent a change and steady improvement has

continued up to the present time.
At the Secretary's request, Mr. Delano explained
somewhat more in detail the Treasury policy as to branch

removals and transfers. It was explained to Senator
Downey that while any increase in the number of branches

had been consistently denied, a substantial number of

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transfers of existing branches from one location to
another had been authorized. These transfers fell into

two classes -- routine transfers of a short distance to
permit improvement in the convenience of locations; and

transfers permitted in those cases where both the public
and the bank would be served by moving from an uneconomic

to a more profitable and more useful location. It was
explained that such transfers were always handled on a
case basis, and that they would not be permitted where

the result was simply expansion or intrusion into the
field of any small independent bank.
Senator Downey expressed himself as apprecia-

tive of the courtesy shown him and of the temper of the
explanation. The subject was then changed to one of

taxes, the Senator pointing out the difficulties which
will be encountered in attempting to collect taxes from
certain piece work farm laborers. The conference then
terminated.

The brief presented by the Bank of America

through the good offices of the Senator was turned over

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to Mr. Delano for study with the understanding there
should be further discussion as to what action should

be taken in regard to it.

Preston Delano

swis

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

December 21, 1942

Ferdinand Kuhn, Jr.

Regarding the distribution of the work I have been
doing, I would suggest that you give the following assignments:
Savington Crampton:

(1) To handle the correspondence that has been coming
to me from Miss Chauncey's office, some of it con-

sisting of letters for your signature and a larger

number of letters to be written and signed on your

behalf.

(2) To receive visitors sent by your office.
(3) To continue as executive secretary of the committee
that has been working on public- information on taxes
and inflation.
Peter Odegard:

(1) To direct the writing of public messages signed by
the Secretary in connection with War Bonds. All such

messages, whether requested from the outside or by the
War Savings Staff, should come up to the Secretary
through Mr. Odegard.

(2) To handle all Treasury relations with O.W.I. except
speech clearance.

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139

Harold Mager:

(1) To prepare the Secretary's public speeches and to

assist in the preparation of all other formal
statements.

(2) To write or assist in the writing of speeches or
articles for other Treasury officials who ask for
his help.

(3) To read Government reports that may be sent to him
by Miss Chauncey and to mark passages if he thinks
the Secretary would be interested in them.
Herbert Gaston:

To edit, for style and content, all Treasury speeches,
other than the Secretary's, and to approve them for
policy. These speeches shall not be made unless
Mr. Gaston approves the manuscript.

Charles Schwarz:

To handle the clearance of speeches with O.W.I. All
Treasury speeches by the Secretary, Under Secretary,
Assistant Secretaries and the General Counsel, should,

after leaving Mr. Gaston, be referred to Mr. Schwarz,
who will clear them with Mr. John R. Fleming's office

at O.W.I. Mr. Fleming's office, in turn, will refer
to Mr. Schwarz all Government speeches bearing on

Treasury problems. Mr. Schwarz will circulate them
among the appropriate Treasury officials and will

send their comments or suggestions back to Mr. Fleming.
F.K.

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December 21, 1942.

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT

Mr. Temple Seay has been engaged by the Division of
Foreign Funds Control of the Treasury Department as an

attorney in its Washington office at $6400 a year. He
will start his new work on January 1, 1943.

(Signed) H. Morgenthau. Jr

Sent by Sturgis 12:20 12/19/42

File in Diary

JLS:kb

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MEMORANDUM

December 5, 1942.

TO:

The Secretary

FROM:

Mr. Sullivan

in

Mr. Wenchel has an appointment with Temple

Seay Monday morning at 11 O'clock. Mr. Wenchel is

prepared to offer Mr. Seay a position at $6400 a year
trying income tax cases in his choice of Boston,
Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Houston or Chicago.

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MEMORANDUM

December 3, 1942.

TO:

The Secretary

FROM:

Mr. Sullivan

JLS

Upon receipt of the memorandum from the President to

you relating to a position for Mr. Temple W. Seay, I phoned
Commissioner Helvering who suggested that Mr. Seay communicate

with Mr. Wenchel. I then phoned Mr. Seay and Mr. Wenchel and

they are to get together this week.

monday A
latest

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THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

November 30, 1942.

MEMORANDUM FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

What can you do about
Temple W. Seay whose term on

the Processing Tax Board

expires on January first?
F. D. R.

THE ASSISTANT SOLICITOR GENERAL

ength
to
White

WASHINGTON

12/22

December 21, 1942

Dear Secretary Morgenthau:

If it has not already been done, what
about the idea of the Treasury's minting some
gold coins for use in occupied territories?
American gold pieces used now and in the near
future may have some interesting implications

in the conduct of the war and after.

For the course of the war, the advantages

of gold coin are obvious. If Europe should
get to a common currency after the war, it may

well be that it ought to be tied to the dollar.

The people of Europe know the dollar and would

doubtless rather have it than any other form of

currency.

Sincerely yours,

Oncar

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

CONFIDENTIAL

DATE December 21, 1942

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

Mr. Hape,

Subject: The Business Situation,

Week ending December 19, 1942.
Summary

Industrial production: Industrial activity declined less than
seasonally in November and the FRB adjusted index rose to
191 as compared with 189 (revised) in October and 167 in
November 1941. Recent reported cancellations of various
Army munitions contracts are causing dislocations currently.

Construction activity: Decline in construction next year
expected to release one million men for other lines of work.
This is more than the additional number of workers expected
to be needed in the shipbuilding industry.

Genoline shortage: Only 365,000 barrels daily available for
distribution in rest of December in 17 Eastern states, as
compared with recent consumption rate of 450,000 barrels

daily. Further drop in supplies to 331,000 barrels daily

estimated for January.

Wholesale prices: BLS all-commodity index rose 0.4 to a new
high at 100.5 in the week ended December 12. Led by grains,
basic commodity prices moved higher last week, with bullish
implications seen in Henderson resignation.

Retail trade: Department store sales rose to a new peak in

week ended December 12, with gain over year-earlier levels
widening to 16 percent as compared with 10 percent in
previous week.

Department store stocks: Stocks in New York Federal Reserve

District declined in November, and gain over year-earlier
levels narrowed for fourth consecutive month. At the end

of November, stocks were 13 percent above the corresponding

date in 1941. The higher price level would account for a
rise of about 6 percent.

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-2Industrial production declined less than seasonally in November
Although industrial production in November receded slightly

for the first time since our entry into the war, the decline

was less than seasonal. As a consequence, the FRB seasonallyadjusted index of production for November rose to another new
high at 191, as compared with 189 in the previous month and
only 167 in the pre-war month of November 1941. (See Chart 1.

However, the fast pace of industrial activity in recent

months may be slowed down, temporarily at least, by the extensive cancellation of Army munitions contracts reported in
recent weeks. Shifts made necessary by changing war requirements, as well as an under-estimation of plant capacity, have

been cited as the principal factors underlying cancellation
or reduction of orders for various items, including large and

medium tanks.

In addition to the dislocations caused by shifts in

production schedules, evidence continues to accumulate that

the construction and tooling-up phases of the war effort have
passed their peak. In connection with the prospective decline
in construction during 1943, the Secretary of Labor said last

week that the tapering-off in construction activity in the

coming year will be sufficient to release 1,000,000 men for
other lines of work. Employment on privately-financed construction is expected to drop to only 40 percent of the 1942
level, while employment on publicly-financed construction is
expected to recede to 60 percent of the 1942 level. It was
pointed out that the number of men released from construction
work will more than offset the number of additional workers
expected to be required in the shipbuilding industry.
Production of machine tools is reported to have been declining from the peak reached in October, and the present outlook is for lower production in 1943 than during the current
year. Partly due to cancellations, new orders for machine
tools in October are said to have fallen far short of production.

Gasoline and fuel oil shortage may affect var effort
Although shifts in production schedules are causing some

dislocations, the greatest immediate threat to the war program
appears to be the acute shortage of gasoline and fuel oil in
the Atlantic Coast area.

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-3 Coincident with the temporary stoppage of all non-emergency gasoline sales for A, B, and C coupons on Friday, it
was revealed that only 365,000 barrels of gasoline daily

would be available for distribution in 17 Eastern states in
the rest of December, as compared with a recent consumption
rate of 450,000 barrels daily. Furthermore, the daily rate
available
during January is expected to drop to 331,000
barrels.

Fuel oil stocks are reported to have dropped to perilously

low levels under the impact of unexpectedly large consumer
demands and export requirements, and oil trade circles are

said to be fearful of an imminent break-down of the fuel oil
rationing program. The fuel oil shortage is not confined to
the Eastern states, but is also reported serious at many
points in the mid-West. In view of the disrupting remifications
of acute gasoline and fuel oil shortages, it is obvious that
prompt and effective handling of the problem will be necessary
to avoid impairment of the war effort.
Commodity prices continue to rise
Momentum was added to the rise in prices of farm and
food products last week as the resignation of Price Admin-

istrator Henderson was interpreted as a major victory for the
form bloc. Members of Congress were reported to be forecasting
a renewed and successful drive in the next session to revise
the parity formula and thereby ensure higher agricultural

prices. In addition to this latest blow to Administration

efforts to control farm and food prices, new evidence appeared

of current advances in retail food costs and curtailed food
supplies.

To these various factors, prices of staple commodities
not subject to controls responded buoyantly. Higher prices
for commodities not subject to control carried the BLS index
of 9 uncontrolled commodities to a new peak, together with
the BLS index of 28 basic commodities. (See Chart 2, upper
section.)

Grains led the price advance last week. Cash wheat
reached a new high since the 1936-1937 peak, and was 11 per-

cent higher than a year ago. Feed grains were also strong.
Oilseed prices were buoyed by a report from the Department of

Agriculture indicating a shortage of fats and vegetable oils
for food and industrial purposes in 1943 estimated at 7 to
9 percent of present requirements. Flaxseed sold at highest
levels since April, and cottonseed oil remained at its ceiling.

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Hogs sold for their highest prices since the first week

in November. Although receipts are now about in proportion
to supplies on farms, demand continues heavy. Beginning with
the week ended November 28, the Department of Agriculture

has resumed its pork and lard purchase program in quantities
equivalent to the high rate of early summer.
Sharp advances in wholesale prices in the week ended
December 12 for grains, cotton, peanuts, and certain fruits
and vegetables lifted the BLS all-commodity wholesale price
index to 100.5 (1926-100), a new high since the outbreak of
the war in August 1939. The index now stands 34.0 percent
above the level of August 1939.

Food prices still rising
Both wholesale and retail food prices continue their
marked rise begun early in 1941. (See Chart 3.) In explan-

ation of the 1.2 percent rise in retail food costs in the

month ended November 17, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has

stated that increases in the uncontrolled items of fresh
fruits, vegetables, and fish amounted to 6.6 percent. These
products alone, as of November 17, were 21 percent higher than
in May of this year. The rise compares with an increase of
7.S percent in total food costs during that period.
Additional advances in retail food prices were disclosed
officially last week. Price increases for 21 food items were
allowed by the OPA, to afford relief to wholesalers and retailers. Increases were allowed on such staples as rice, dry
beans and dried fruits. An increase of one cent a half pint
in the retail price of light cream, the OPA said, was expected
to halt "any abnormal" diversion of butterfat from cream to
butter.

Ceilings in dollars and cents were placed on all types
of domestic poultry at wholesale prices slightly higher than
those which have prevailed this year. The new wholesale
prices, according to the OPA, are designed to encourage
producers to meet the Department of Agriculture's production

goals. Retail prices, except for turkeys, for the present
are still under the ceiling of the seller's highest price
from September 28 to October 2.
Food supplies tighten

Food distribution showed no improvement last week. The
Executive Secretary of the New York State Food Merchante

Association said that the butter situation now resembles in

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those staples were officially rationed. Grocers continue
to limit sales to customers, while hoping that the OPA will
take immediate steps to add butter to the list of rationed
commodities.

Factory butter production in 1942 through October was

5.3 percent less than in the first ten months of 1941. Cold
storage holdings of butter (see Chart 4 lower section) have
continued to run less than a year ago beginning with the

July 1 holdings, and in more recent months they have been
less than in 1940. On December 1, they were 70 percent below

the holdings of a year earlier, and the lowest for that date

since 1932.

Milk production (upper section of Chart 4) has continued

its more than seasonal decline, and for the month of November

dropped practically to the level of production of 1941, although there were more COWS in the herds. A decrease of
about 2 percent in milk production per COW on December 1,

as compared with a year earlier, was offset by the greater

number of milk COWS on farms. Record feeding of grains and
concentrates was not sufficient to overcome the adverse
influences of labor shortages and perhaps other factors, which
have reduced the percentage of cows milked to the lowest
December 1 figure since 1934.

Supplies of other foods in storage have also declined.

Cold storage holdings of cheese during November dropped

below their 1941 levels for the first time this year. Storage
holdings of meat on December 1 continued lower than a year
earlier, and this decline, 0.8 heretofore, was due entirely
to decreases in holdings of pork. Civilian supplies of pork,
veal, lamb, and mutton have been ordered cut about 13 percent,
effective during the first quarter of 1943. The reduction
was ordered for the purpose of filling expanding war needs.
New civilian quotas for meats

Civilians who are now being asked to restrict per capita
consumption of meats to 40 ounces a week, after the first of
the year will be cut to 35 ounces through further limitations
on packer deliveries of meats for civilian use. A comparison
of the current and new quotas for packer deliveries is as
follows:

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-6Last quarter
of 1942

First quarter
of 1943

(Percent of deliveries in corresponding quarter of 1941)

Beef

70

70

Pork

75

70

Veal

100

70

95

75

Lamb and mutton

In order to relieve local meat shortages, packers are to be
allowed to distribute 10 percent of their quotas for the
first quarter of 1943 during the last 12 days of December.
Department store sales at record levels
With the customary peak in Christmas buying still one

week away, department store sales in the week ended December 12

rose to within 1 percent of the all-time record set in the
third week in December last year. Moreover, the gain over
year-earlier levels rose to 16 percent, from 10 percent in

the week ended December 5. (See Chart 5.) Sales gains over
the corresponding week in 1941 ranged from 10 percent in the
New York, Philadelphia and Chicago districts to 4.4 percent

in the San Francisco district, where sales in the 1941 week
were especially hard hit as a result of the attack on Pearl
Herbor.

Although sales last week probably fell somewhat short
of earlier expectations, due to the adverse effects of the
gasoline crisis on automobile driving in the Eastern states,
Dun and Bradstreet report that sales rose to a new peak for
the year and reached record-breaking figures. As a result

of the heavy buying, retail stocks in general were said to
be down to around last year's levels.
New York department store stocks declined in November

Department store stocks in the New York Federal Reserve

District (in dollar value) declined during November, and the
adjusted index of stocks fell to 134 from 145 in the previous
month. The gain in stocks over year-earlier levels was reduced for the fourth consecutive month. By the end of

November, stocks were only 13 percent above the corresponding
date in 1941, as compared with 22 percent at the end of October

and no less than 82 percent at the end of July. Stocks of

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department stores in New York City showed a similar trend
and at the end of November were only 16 percent above year-

earlier levels, thus lending support to some predictions
that with the conclusion of Christmas trade stocks will be
down to or even below 1941 levels. Prices of typical
department store items at the beginning of November averaged
about 6 percent higher than last year, according to the
Fairchild index.

Industrial stock prices rise to year's high
The customary year-end rally in stock prices, which has
occurred in 41 out of the last 44 years, appeared to be getting under way earlier than usual last week, as industrial
stock prices on Thursday moved up to a new peak for the year
on the heaviest volume of trading recorded thus far in 1942.

Utility stocks advanced to within a fraction of their high

for the year, while railroad shares, which have been sagging
recently in reflection of threatened wage increases and rate
cuts, also strengthened. (See Chart 6.) The volume of yearend tax selling is reported to have been considerably lighter
than last year, and this factor undoubtedl" has contributed

to the recent improvement in prices. This will be the first
time since 1928 that the average of industrial stock prices

reached its year' 8 high in December.

F.R.B. INDEX OF INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION
1935-39=100 Seasonally Adjusted

1939

1942

1941

1940

1943
PERCENT

PERCENT

190
190

180
180

170
170

160
160

150
150

140
140

130
130

120

120

110

110

100

100

90

,

M

A

F

J

1939

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

- . - Statistics

1940

D

90

1941

1942

1943

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MOVEMENT OF BASIC COMMODITY PRICES
1942

1941

PERCENT

PERCENT

August 1939-100
190
190
185
185

9 Uncontrolled Commodities

180

180

175
175

170

28 Commodities

170

165
165

160
160

19 Controlled Commodities)
155

155

150
150
145
145

140
140
NOV.

SEPT.

MAR.

JAN.

JULY

MAY

NOV

SEPT.

1942

1941

PERCENTAGE CHANGE DEC. 6. 1941 TO DEC. = AND DEC. 18 1942
PERCENT

PERCENT

9 Uncontrolled

19 Controlled

Commodities

+45

Commodities

+45

Hoge 40.0x

+40
+40

+35

Butter 3243

+35

+30

Lard NUF

+30

+25

Barkey 2178

+25

Com 22.4%

-

+20
+20

Shellee 12.3%

+15

+15

Cotton ass

Leed ILIX

Cottonesed Of 97x
(Print Cloth TOX
+10

+10

(Sugar 4.9%

Zinc sx.
0% Change

.5

.5

Mides Sale

Tin, Rubber.
Coffee Copper
St Scrap.dom

o

o

St Screp.exp

Coooo #X

-5

Follow 413
Burlop 48X

5

Weel Tops-5.4 X
-10

Dec a

Dec. 18

Dec.11

1942

1942

-10
Dec 6
1941

Dec.11 Dec. 18
1942

1942

1941

.

-.--I

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

20 Controlled and a Uncontrolled previous to June 26

153
P-244 -24

Chart 2

FOOD PRICES
1940

1941

1942

PERCENT

PERCENT

1940 100 Unadjusted
145

145

140

140

135

135

130

130

Wholesole
B.L.S.
125

125

120

120

115

115

110

110

Retail
S/ CITIES B.L.S.
105

105

100
100

95
95

90
JAN

MAR

MAY

JULY

1940

-

SEPT.

NOV

JAN

MAR

MAY

JULY

1941

SEPT.

NOV.

JAN

MAR

90
MAY

JULY

SEPT.

NOV

1942

- of the Secretary d the Transary
P-230

Chart 4
155

MILK PRODUCTION AND BUTTER STOCKS
Pounds

Pounds

Billions

Billions

Total Form Milk Production
12
12

1942

II

11

1941

10

10

1940

9

9

8

8
7

7

JAN

FEB

MAR

APR

MAY

JUNE

JULY

AUG

SEPT.

OCT

NOV

DEC

Pounds
Pounds

Millions

Millions

Creamery

Butter

Cold Storage Holdings
200

200

1942

1941

150

150

100
100

7940
50
50

o

O

JAN

FEB

MAR

APR

MAY

JUNE

JULY

AUG

SEPT

OCT

NOV

DEC

Source US Dept of Agriculture
Office of the Secretary of the Treasury
Dental Research and Medication

C-445

Chart 5
156

DEPARTMENT STORE SALES
1935 - '39 - 100, Unadjusted
JAN

FEB

MAR

APR

MAY

JUNE

JULY

AUG.

SEPT.

OCT.

NOV.

DEC.

PERCENT

PERCENT

Weekly
260

260

240

240

220

220

200

200

180

180

160

160

1942

1941
140

140

120

120

100

100

1940
80

80

60

60
JAN.

FEB.

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury
Division of Research and Statistics

MAR.

APR.

MAY

JUNE

JULY

AUG.

SEPT.

OCT.

NOV.

DEC

C 390 A

deart

Industrial Stocks

limid

Railroads
20 Railroads

government
Utilities
15 Utilities

Volume of Trading

December 21, 1942

158

HIGH-LIGHTS OF THE WAR NEWS

(10:00 A. M.)

North Africa

1. Libya - British contact fleeing Axis troops 225 miles
west of E1 Agheila as Rommel's forces reach Sirte.
Tunisia - French troops and U. S. fighter planes re2.
captured Pichon, 50 miles inland from port of Sousse.
Allies also attacked Axis Sfax Railroad yards. Con3.

India
1.

tinued rainy weather prevented much ground activity.
Nazis reported massing reinforcements on the French
Mediterranean.

Wavell's troops, unopposed, pushed along Bay of Bengal
over 30 miles into Burma and 60 miles from Akyab.

Ahead of ground forces, R.A.F. bombed Toungoo airdrome
on railroad between Rangoon and Burma Road.

2.

Only slight damage was done in Jap retaliatory attack

on Calcutta, British claim.
3. Japs also opened drive on China in the East.

Russia
(

1.

2.

The Red army opened its third great winter offensive
on the Don front with the Germans counterattacking.
Already astride the strategic Moscow-Rostov railroad,
Red troops are reported bearing down on key railroad
junction of Millerovo.
At the same time the Russians continued to drive for-

ward in the Rzhev area (the central front) and in the
Stalingrad area.

The Pacific Area

1. Allies, using tanks (light General Stuarts) for the

first time, smashed Jap pill boxes and other defenses
which had held up ground forces for more than a
month and drove to within 3,000 yards of Buna mission.
2. Jap commander reported killed.
3. With the capture of Buna, Gona, and Cape Endaiadere,

Buna mission and Cape Sanananda remain last 2 Jap poc-

kets on New Guinea.
Europe
1.

London - Continuing their round-the-clock raids on

Germany and occupied France, British and American
planes bombed Duisberg, important German inland post

on the junction of the Rhine and Ruhr rivers.

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2. London - American flying fortresses and liberators
in a Sunday raid on Romilly, 70 miles east of Paris,

were understood to have shot down at least 46 German
fighters and damaged 30 more.

3. Explosive developments were expected to follow the
week-end conterence of almost every European Axis

leader except Mussolini at Adolf Hitler's eastern

front headquarters.

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NOT TO Be RE-TRANSMITTED
COPY NO.

13

BRITISH MOST SECRET
U.S. SECRET

OPTIL No. 440

Information received up to 7 A.M., 21st December, 1942.
1. NAVAL

A 2,000 ton ship was sunk by H.M. Destroyers in the Gulf of
Hannamet, Tunisia, on night 20th/21st. One of H.M. Corvettes sank off BLUGHAZI
on 19th from unknown cause but probably mine. 60 survivors picked up. A 23,700
ton transport in convoy to MEDITERRAN.CAM was torpedoed north of ORAN 20th/21st

Attempts are being made to tow her into port.
2. MILITARY

LIBYA. Indications that Panzer Army is making great efforts to
develop communications through TUNISIA but shortage of M.T. is likely to prove

an obstacle. It is believed that shortage of N.T. fuel in LIBYA persists.
3. AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 20th. 101 U.S. Fortresses and Liberators supported

by 16 Squadrons of Spitfires were sent to ROMILLY SUF SEINE Airfield and airpark.

71 aircraft attacked in good visibility dropping 145 tono of H.S. and incendiaries. One hangar was probably destroyed and many hito were seen on buildings

and aircraft on the ground. Enemy casualties (provisional by Bombers) 45, 26, 5.
6 Fortresses missing. 9 Mosquitos attacked objectives including railway communications in Northwest GERMANY. One is missing. 9 enemy aircraft flew over
K.NT and EAST ANGLIA. Enemy casualties 1, nil, 2. Two Beaufighters were des-

troyed by F.F. 190's west of BREST. 20th/21st. 259 aircraft sent out DUISBURG 232 (11 missing, 4 crashed), Intruders 17, leaflets 4, anti-shipping 6.
At DJISBURG weather was good and attack is considered successful. A few enemy
aircraft operated over YORKSHIRE and LINCOLNSHIRE. Some damage was caused at
HULL.

TUNISIA. 18th. 36 escorted U.S. Fortresses bombod BIZERT

Harbour. One ship believed a cruiser was hit. Other U.S. bombers successfully
attacked SOUSSE railway centre and on 19th escorted Bostons attacked SFAX rail-

way centre. Enemy casualties 4, nil, 1. Ours 7 missing.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

December 21, 1942
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Ferdinand Kuhn, Jr.

Here are a few items of interest from the latest
Intelligence Report (public opinion survey) of the O.W.I.

1. Eighty-three percent of the public feel that the

work week should be 48 hours or more; forty-seven

percent think that over-time pay should start after
a forty-eight hour minimum. Most of the public seem
to be aware of the fact that the Wage-Hour law does
not restrict war workers to a 40-hour week.
(pages 5 and 6 of the attached report.)

2. More than half of the American people feel that
organized labor should be represented on the War

Production Board.

(page 8 of the attached report.)
3. Lots of morale work needs to be done in communities
near Army camps. Pages 12 to 15 of this report

contain a survey that I think will be of special
interest to you and Mrs. Morgenthau.

4. Public thinking is still very fuzzy on the subject
of the post-war world. The isolationists are in a
minority of only 20%, but the majority have hardly
begun to think in concrete terms about our role in
post-war years.
(pages 16 and 17)

J.K.

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12-18-42

INTELLIGENCE REPORT 54

OFFICE OF
WAR INFORMATION

B UREAU o
INTELLIGENCE
COPY No.
Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

CONTENTS
Page

EDITORIAL ATTITUDES

1

Battlefronts

1

Labor

3

United Nations

4

POPULAR REACTIONS

5

The Work Week and Overtime Pay

5

Labor Representation on the WPB
DEVELOPING SITUATIONS

8

12

Soldiers and Civilians

12

America and the Post-War World

16

EDITORIAL ATTITUDES
BATTLEFRONTS

Editorial optimism adjusted itself this week to the modified tempo of allied
progress. The news from Tunisia, Russia and the Pacific led commentators

to more sober appraisals of the war as a long, tough struggle against determined, resourceful adversaries.

The increased length of allied supply lines and the necessity of construct
ing advance air bases were the chief reasons offered to account for the

reduced speed of the allied offensive in North Africa. Ronnel's flight
from E1 Agheila offset earlier uneasiness. Most of those analyzing the

situation regarded it as the prelude to a decisive air duel between the
contending forces. The prevailing judgment was that the United Nations,
because of their superior resources, would be able in time to bring up
overwhelming aerial power.

Much of the comment on North Africa continued to deal with Admiral Darlan.

Editors seemed to feel SODA obligation to justify the "military expediency"
involved in the arrangement with the Vichy leader. They insisted vehemently

that it will prove only temporary in character and pointed redundantly to
the benefits which have accrued from it.
A summary of investigation and analysis
conducted for certain OWI officials,
issued for OW and the interest of other
members of the Government.

Interest in Darlan has been superseded, however, by anxiety over Spain's
General Franco. The Generalissimo's speech to the Spanish Falange Decem-

ber 8 was widely interpreted as indicating that Spain intends to stay out
The period covered by this report is the
week of December 10 through December 16.

of the war. The Atlanta Constitution remarked cheerfully, "It is not

except where otherwise specifically stated.
-

likely that Franco of Spain will abandon the neutral position his country

Dutch East Indies, the Philippines and Wake and to subdue Japan proper?"

has so far held in the war, despite his outright approval of the fascist
system of Government given in his speech of a few days ago."

The development of the week which proved most heartening to the news
interpreters was the announcement that General Zeitzler had replaced

But some observers were more apprehensive. According to the Christian

General Halder as chief of the German general staff. The dominant judg-

Science Monitor, "Those who think they see in General Francisco Franco's

ment WILD that this shift indicates the Nazification of the German army

latest public pronouncements assurances that Spain is not going to permit

and the eclipse of the regular military commanders. Some suggested that

the Nazis to strike from Gibraltar at the flank of British-American forces

it signified a change in German military strategy from the offensive to

in North Africa are fooling themselves The fact is that Spain is on the

the defensive. The Scripps-Howard newspapers went so far as to state that

brink of war and General Franco is bargaining with both sides. However,

"Hitler's substitution of a Gestapo 'yes man as head of the German army

the chances of his coming to terms with Britain and America seem slight."

in place of the Junker General Halder may be the beginning of the end."

Like others, however, this editorial went on to say, "But it is safer to
Editors were disturbed, too, by Franco's assertion that the choice of the

assume instead that the change presages even more vigorous enemy warfare."

world lies between fascism and communism. "The fallacy of his speech,"

said the Pittsburgh Post Gasette, "lies in the fact that there are not
two, but at least three, possible courses for post-war Europe."

LABOR

The press was very nearly unaninous in condenning President Roosevelt's

Comparatively little comment appeared during the week on developments in

intercession in the Montgomery Ward situation. Mark Sullivan's comment

Russia. Stiffened German resistance and counterattacks have dissipated

on this score was fairly typical: "Montgomery Ward cannot be considered

the more extravagant hopes for a decisive victory on the eastern front.

a war industry. If the President can successfully make this demand on
Montgomery Ward, he can make it on any citizen or group."

There was no more than subdued applause for General MacArthur's gains in
New Guinea. The stubbornness of Japanese resistance and the long delay in

our capture of Buna and Gona added to the avareness that triumph is not
quite around the corner. The Richmond Times Dispatch expressed the pre-

vailing view when it asked: "If it has taken from early August until midDecember for us to get and to maintain footholds on remote and lightly

defended Pacific islands how long will it take us to recover the

Similarly, editorial sympathy was very much on the side of the railroad
managements and against the demands of the railroad brotherhoods for a

pay raise. Most commentators argued that the railroads had suffered
severely until the war brought them unexpected prosperity and that now
they should have an opportunity to build up needed reserves. The demands

of the brotherhoods were taken as an occasion for attacking the "featherbed

rules which the unions have allegedly maintained in the face of the war

dissension between America and her allies. The Now York Times warned that

effort. Commentators fairly friendly to labor argued that the demand for

"any attempt to dictate terms to our allies instead of to our enemies is

higher wages would serve only to alienate the public more than ever from

sure to be self-defeating." Nevertheless, the discussion of post-war

workers in general.

problems has, for the first time, been couched in concrete terms and in

regard to fairly specific proposals.
The principal argument leveled against the granting of pay increases to the

railroad employees was that it would have an inflationary effect. Some
newspapers employed this same reasoning to support approval of the lowering

POPULAR REACTIONS

of railroad rates.
THE WORK WEEK AND OVERTIME PAY

In comments on labor problems in general, editors continued to inveigh
against the iniquities of the 40-hour week. There has been no diminution
of the pressure for amendment of the Wage and Hour Law to have overtime pay
begin only after a work week of 48 hours.

Newspaper agitation for amendment of the Wage and Hour Law is reflected

in a widespread popular belief that the weekly hours of labor should be

lengthened for workers in war industries. Eighty-three per cent of the
public feel that the work week should be 48 hours or more; 47 per cent
think that overtime pay should start only after a 48-hour minimum.

UNITED NATIONS

The speech recently delivered by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands elicited
good deal of editorial comment on post-war problems. Most of the comment

praised the speech highly and accepted it as a workable scheme for the post-

war world. The Louisville Courier Journal, for example, called it "a
heartening example of the anxious willingness of the world's greatest

democracies to make the Atlantic Charter a living reality."

In the latter part of November, the Bureau of Intelligence asked a
national sample three questions concerning the working hours of war plant
employees:

ABOUT HOW NANY HOURS A WEEK, ON THE AVERAGE,

DO YOU THINK WORKERS IN WAR INDUSTRIES ARE
ACTUALLY WORKING NOW?

HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK. INCLUDING ALL OVERTIME,
DO YOU THINK WORKERS IN WAR INDUSTRIES SHOULD
PUT IN?

A minority, however, dissented - generally on the ground that pre-war imAND HOW VANY HOURS A WEEK DO YOU THINK TORKERS

perial arrangements could never be restored. Attacks on this speech and

IN WAR INDUSTRIES SHOULD PUT IN BEFORE THEY
GET EXTRA PAY FOR OVERTIME?

on Prime Minister Churchill's assertion that the British empire would be
preserved have been so sharp as to make some commentators fear serious

Should

Are working
Under 48 hours

29%

48 hours

28

Should work before
Overtime Pay

5%

28%

34

14 51
9

49 to 59 hours
60 hours or more

Be working

37

2L 83

6 47

the work week ought to be, it appears that 30 per cent of the public believed that workers were putting in as many hours as they should and Lo

25
4

No overtime pay

Not ascertainable

Then estimates of the actual work week are compared with estimates of what

per cent felt that workers were putting in fewer hours than they should;

1/2

20

12

11

only six per cent expressed the view that the actual work week is longer

than it ought to be, while 24 per cent were without opinions on this score.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the concept "war industry"is

too elastic for use in the construction of statistice respecting the actual

About a quarter of the whole sample supported the provision of the Wage and

work week. The B.L.S. reports, however, that in September the average

Hour Law that overtime pay should begin after 40 hours. Slightly more than

work week in all manufacturing industries was 42.4 hours; in the durable
goods industries, the average work week was 44.6 .

half of the sample desired a longer work week before the commencement of

overtime pay, the bulk of these people centering on 48 hours as the proper

dividing point. In addition, 14 per cent said that no overtime should be
As the foregoing table indicates, only a minority of the public was under

paid at all.

the misapprehension that the Wage and Hour Law restricts war workers to a

40-hour week; more than half of the people interviewed believed that the
men in war industries were working 48 hours a week or more. Farners were

more prone than other people to hold the view that the employees of war
plants are limited to Lo hours.

Retention of the 40-hour provision of the Wage and Hour Law was most popu-

lar, naturally, among nanual workers, least popular among farners. Even
among manual workers, however, a full third felt that overtime pay should
begin at 48 hours. Farners were more prone than other groups to say that

there should be no overtime at all or that it should begin only after a
Very few persons in any occupational group thought that the average work

work week of 60 hours or more.

week should be less than 46 hours. A third of the manual workers them-

selves felt that the optimus work week is 48 hours: and nearly half o them
said that the work week should be more than 48 hours. Farmers, accustomed
to working extrenely long hours themselves, were considerably more prone

than any other occupational group to declare that war plant employees
ought to put in 60 hours or more each week.

Apparently a sense of urgency about the war has impelled the general pub-

lic to think in terms of a minimum work week of 4d hours. And considerable
resistance has developed to the principle of overtime pay before this minimum has been net. The impact upon wage scales of a sudden change in the
Wage and Hour Law is perhaps inadequately appreciated.

People are not fully aware, moreover, of the fact that in most essential war

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industries the hours of labor are limited only by the availability of raw
materials, machinery and plant facilities; in many phases of production,
workers are already putting in more than 48 hours a week. The public needs

to be informed that workers themselves are not primarily responsible for the
length of the work week and that revision of the Wage and Hour Law would mean

a cut in their earnings without necessarily increasing the weekly hours of

It was found that some people felt as they did out of a general sense of

fair play. They believed that all groups deserve representation on so important a Government agency as VP9. But most people's viewpoints appeared

to be even more strongly influenced by three other factors: (1) their
general attitude toward labor; (2) their occupation; and (3) union membership.

labor.

Many people evidently make little effort to weigh the merits of the specific issue of labor representation on the JPS. Their opinion is based,

LABOR REPRESENTATION ON THE WPB

Interviewing conducted with a small national sample in late November indi-

cates that half of the American people feel that organized labor should be

rather, on their general attitude toward organized labor. The sample was
asked a question which in the past has been found to be a useful index

to pro- or anti-labor feeling: "Do you think the Government's attitude

represented on the War Production Board,

toward labor unions is too strict, about right, or not strict enough?"
AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE WAR PRODUCTION BOARD

IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY IN CHARGE OF ALL WAR PRO-

DUCTION IN THIS COUNTRY. DO YOU THINK THERE
SHOULD BE REPRESENTATIVES OF UNION LABOR ON
THIS BOARD?

Of those who stated
that the Government's

attitude toward
labor unions is:

Yes

Too strict
About right
Not strict enough

52%
No

Don't know

30
18

This percentage

favored labor
representation on TP3
76%
60
45

Three-fourths of those who wanted labor to be represented felt that it should

Occupation also plays an important part in determining people's attitudes

have as much to say as management. These people comprised 38 per cent of the

toward giving labor a voice on the WPS. Forty-four per cent of the

entire sample.

executives in the sample, and 30 per cent of the farners, were opposed to

An effort was made to discover why people felt as they did about this is-

granting labor representation on the WPB. In contrast, only 21 per cent

of the industrial workers felt that labor should not be represented
sue. Their responses were carefully analyzed in the light of information
on the Board.

they gave about themselves and the viewpoints they expressed on related nat-

ters. A smaller sample was questioned intensively.

Only ten per cent of the union members in the sample felt that labor should
not be represented on the Board. Thirty-four per cent of the non-union
members were of this opinion.

They feel that workers, as a result of their practical experience, can
contribute to the solution of production problems and deserve a place in
the policy-making structure of WP3. The following statement by a militant

To get additional insight into the more extreme viewpoints, intensive
interviews were conducted with 30 men in the managerial group and 24 labor

leaders. Only three of the 30 executives felt that labor should have an
equal voice with management on the War Production Board. Seven felt that

labor's voice should be heard, but only in an advisory capacity. Twenty
felt that labor should not be given any representation whatever.

New York labor leader is typical:

-

"Labor wants more participation in helping to plan the work.
Labor wants to participate in the advance of government at

this time. It wants to accept responsibility and not just
be tolerated by business. Labor believes our participation
in planning and policy making will increase production.
Labor feels that it can often see how to coordinate the different processes in manufacturing better than an engineer

can, because they are themselves doing the work.

"We do not believe in casting the managers aside. We believe

that it will take the teamwork of all to win the war."
Most of the businessmen took the position that the management of production

was their own prerogative and expressed anxiety about labor's growing

Education and knowledge of the War Production Board appear to exert little

power. A number maintained that labor leaders have no managerial ability

influence on people's viewpoints on labor representation. People were

and do not cooperate well with management. The following remarks, by a

given the names of Henderson, Nelson and Jeffers and asked to identify the

San Francisco businessman, are fairly typical:

head of WPB. Only 47 per cent could do so correctly, and some of them

"Production is the job for management. Some labor leaders
are intensely patriotic, but they don't know production
problems, and could contribute little. Recent moves to
add labor nen to the WPB have been merely in the nature of
token representation to satisfy labor's demands. I doubt
the wisdom or need of even that, There have already been
enough concessions to labor."

may have guessed the right answer. The opinions of the people who did not
know that Nelson is the head of WPB were compared with the opinions of

those who did. While, as might be expected, the "don't know" answers
regarding representation were higher among the former group, the ratio of
"yes" to "no" answers was about the same among both groups. Among the

The labor leaders overwhelmingly took the position that labor deserved

relatively well educated people in the sample and the less well educated,

equal representation with business on the WPB. Many of those interviewed

too, the ratio of approval to disapproval of the idea of labor representa-

were bitter because labor has been denied adequate representation for so

tion was about the same.

long. And they at least gave the impression that they would not be satisfied now by mere "token" representation, carrying no real responsibility
or power.

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Unlike some labor leaders and executives, the general public, while-tending
to favor labor representation on WPB, does not feel strongly about the

question; the issue is not at present a live one. But if it should ever

Fayetteville, with a long Army camp tradition, used to regard "regular Army

come to a head, these findings suggest that the division of opinion night

men" as riffraff. This attitude persisted when selectees came to Fort

be just about what it is revealed here. For it does not appear to matter

Bragg in large numbers in 1940.

greatly whether people are informed or uninformed about this question.

Their opinion is likely to be determined by their general attitude toward

labor, their occupational status, and their affiliation or non-affiliation
with union.

Hattiesburg, having profited by the proximity of Camp Shelby in the last
war, campaigned to have it reopened in 1940, before America was actually at
war.

The Indiana towns had no experience with or desire for an Army camp. Camp
Atterbury was a real war camp, opened in the summer of 1942.

DEVELOPING SITUATIONS
In each camp, over $20,000,000 was spent on construction within a few months.
SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS

The sudden influx of construction workers, wage differentials and union

Army encampments have created serious problems for communities in which they

activities precipitated hostility and suspicion. After the camps were com-

have been established. They have brought about sudden increases in popula-

pleted, new employment opportunities opened. Unemployment vanished, domes-

tion, together with a disruption of normal community life. Cleavages have

tic help became scarce and badly paid joba went begging.

developed between the regular residents and the men in uniform.
The stores and restaurants of the towns were overwhelmed. Newcomers,
As a means of studying the impact of Army camps upon nearby communities,

opening businesses "for the duration", appeared and caused disgruntlenent

the Bureau of Intelligence, in cooperation with the Special Service Branch

among local businessmen by their unorthodox business practices. Civilians

of the Army, has recently conducted exploratory surveys in three medium to

accused the merchants of hiking prices; soldiers complained of a two-price

large-sized Army camps near towns of 10,000 to 25,000 population. Camp

system which fleeced men in uniform.

community problems were known to exist, though they were not considered

exceptionally critical, in the localities selected. These were:
-

-

Fayetteville, N. C.
Hattiesburg, Miss.

Columbus

Fort Bragg
Camp Shelby

Edinburg

Indianapolis)

Ind.

-

Franklin

Camp Atterbury

Housing and transportation facilities were badly overtaxed in all of the
communities, Rents skyrocketed, and established tenants were displaced,

in some instances, by newcomers. Inadequate bus and railway facilities
brought soldiers and townspeople into close and uncomfortable contact.

Conflicts over jurisdiction arose between town and military police.

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The stereotyped notion of the soldier as profligate and loose in morals

Organized efforts to bridge the cap between soldiers and civilians - par-

has been responsible for much of the hostility on the part of civilians.

ticularly those undertaken by the USO - have not thus far met with much

In the smaller communities, soldiers and vice are considered synonymous.

success in the communities investigated. Before its actual appearance on

Prostitution has burgeoned while attempts to control venereal disease have

the local scene, the USO has regularly been the object of successful drives

contributed to the schiso between enlisted men and townsfolk; prophylactic

for funds. Later, however, it has gained, in most places, only undisguised

stations have been especially productive of ill feeling, since they con-

animosity due to its operating methods and to its employment of well paid,

stitute a violation of traditional reticence and are a glaring public

but sometimes tactless, personnel recruited from out of town, who have

symbol of the worst that the soldier means to small town civilians.

failed to enlist community-wide support or to mould their activities to
meet either the character of the community or the needs of the men.

All of the communities studied, with the exception of Indianapolis, blamed
the soldiers for an alarming increase in drinking and drunkenness. Dives

and juke joints, slot machines and shooting galleries flourished in the
camp communities. The soldiers thronged to them, while the townspeople complained that their former places of amusement were crowded and noisy and
that decent folk had to stay at home.

Difficulties cannot fail to arise when large bodies of nen in uniform are
suddenly placed upon the doorsteps of communities unfamiliar with them and

unprepared to meet their needs. But these difficulties can be ameliorated
by the encouragement of sympathetic relations between town and camp.

Soldiers interviewed in all of the camps made it clear that they desired
contact and companionship with the civilians in the communities near which

All three of the campa surveyed had considerable numbers of Negro troops.

Their presence added racial tensions to the other difficulties. Normal

they were located. off duty, they often want to get away from fellowsoldiers, to meet civilians and to have some semblance of normal social

friction between white and Negro nen in uniform was aggravated by the

local practices of segregation and discrimination. To the Negroes, the
nearby towns offered almost nothing in the way of recreation or relaxation.
In none of the communities studied were the citizens ready psychologically

or practically to cope with the problem of entertaining enlisted men.
Locally sponsored hospitality has been confined to a few sporadic gestures,

giving way to a shrugging off of all responsibility.

intercourse. The problem of community-camp relations revolves around the

establishment of this sort of friendly association between civilians and

soldiers within the limits of the town's abilities.
Information can play an effective part in promoting this sort of friendliness by giving civilians a sense of their responsibility toward the Army
men. The problem can best be approached through local efforts and insti-

tutions. Initiative must come from the community itself. It must be
carried on by members of the community. Effort must be directed toward

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making civilians recognize that the enlisted non, though strangers, are

People's fears appear to be the greatest obstacle to the belief that peace

thenselves nembers of families and communities akin to those with which the

can be maintained through international cooperation. Isolationism is fre-

war has brought them into involuntary contact.

quently related to mistrust of England and Russia and to anxieties about
the economic consequences of close ties with other nations. A tendency to

AMERICA AND THE POST WAR WORLD

exagperate the importance of America's contribution to the United Nations'

Americans hope for a world in which they and their children nay live free

from the threat of war. But they have scarcely begun to think realistically
about how this goal may be achieved.

war effort also appears to be associated with isolationism,
The belief that America should join a comprehensive organization of nations

is also typically part of a cluster of opinions. Those who how this view
Then asked how a better world night be brought into being, 40 per cent of

tend to have confidence in America's allies, to be hopeful about the eco-

a national sample could offer no suggestions. Only 25 per cent rade sug-

nomic future, and to take a fairly realistic approach to war issues. The

gestions of a political or economic nature. People's views about the post-

people most aware of the difficult problems involved in winning both the

war world are seldom crystallized or held with real conviction.

war and the peace are most willing to endorse the idea of international
collaboration.

There is a general realisation that isolationism no longer spells security.
Fewer than 20 per cent of the American people appear to be firmly opposed

to the principle of international collaboration. The isolationists are

(These findings summarize a Special Intelligence Report,
America and the Post-War World, issued December 16, and

available to authorized individuals on request.)

predominantly people with relatively low income and education and relatively limited contacts.

The views of the people who favor some degree of U. S. participation in

world affairs fall into three broad classes. One group of people believes
in full political cooperation with other nations. A second group vaguely,
but potentially, sympathetic to collaboration, urges simply that the United

States "be friendly with other nations. A third group, including a number
recently isolationist. wants the United States to dominate the post-war
world.

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December 22, 1942
10:16 a.m.

Edward

Stettinius:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Hello, Edward.

3:

How are you, sir?

HMJr:

I'm fine.

S:

HMJr:

Glad to hear from you.
You and Oscar Cox have been calling me. I
don't know whether you've talked to each

other - whether it's about the same thing or
not.

S:

Well, now are you - are you in town?

HMJr:

I'm right here. I - I got in at one o'clock
this morning from Atlanta.

S:

When can I see you privately for five minutes?

HMJr:

Any time, how's that? When do you want to see
me - except

S:

Well, that'11 be wonderful. In an hour from

now?
HMJr:
S:

HMJr:
S:

HMJr:

That would be 11:15?
Yeah.

That would be perfect.

In your office?
In my office. There'11 be nobody under the
table, no dictaphones or anything.

S:

Thank you, Henry.

HMJr:

How's that?

S:

Right, old boy.

HMJr:

Thank you.

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December 22, 1942
11:40 a.m.

BRITISH DOLLAR POSITION

Present: Miss Kistler
Mrs. Klotz

H.M.JR: Mr. Stettinius called on me and said

he had to see me alone.

He told me that as a result of the Vice President
calling on Jimmy Byrnes, Jimmy Byrnes told the Vice
President he had taken hold of a hot potato by forming

this subcommittee to discuss the financial needs of
the British Empire, and as a result of which they
should put the Budget in control of the thing. They
suggested Wayne Coy for chairman of the committee.

Evidently Stettinius thought I would fly off the
handle, but it was of no consequence, as far as I am
concerned.

Then he was very anxious that he and I should go

and see Mr. Hull and try to get this thing settled.

I said I would not do it unless the Vice President was
also there, because there was no use in discussing the
thing unless the Vice President was there.
Stettinius is very much upset because he has to

testify on January 11 for additional funds.

So I called up Dean Acheson in order to try to

bring him back into the picture and to try to get rid

of A. A. Berle. I asked him whether he would call up

Mr. Hull and arrange a meeting for tomorrow morning
between eleven and twelve, at which would be present

Stettinius, the Vice President, and Harry White and

myself.

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-2Then the part that bothered me was this. He said,
"Before I came over here I talked to Mr. Ecker about
the South African thing." He said, "I asked Harry White,
of whom I am very fond, for figures on the South African
financial situation as of November 11, and to date we
have never had an answer." This is Stettinius talking trying to throw the whole blame back on White's shop.

So I said, "Well, after all, you could have taken

the position we won't give any goods to South Africa and I gather they have given them forty-five million,
lend-lease - until we do hear from the Treasury. But

you did not do that. You just went ahead." I said,
Granted that if what you say is true, that White should

have furnished these figures to you promptly, the fact
still remains that you went ahead and did a lot of

business."

His answer was, "Well, South Africa is sort of a
part of the whole British Empire, and we can't distinguish between them."

MISS KISTLER: That is that old, fundamental
question.

I think that when he said on November 11 they had
asked Harry White for figures and had not yet received
them: One, what Mr. Ecker asked for was a study on
South Africa, which is today being mimeographed. I was

to do it and was tied up.

It has been a long time, but I told Mr. Ecker I had the figures gathered a long time ago - that I

could give him by telephone the highlights and the
figures of what they held, and what the picture looked

like, without the analysis and all the supporting data.

Finally, after being bothered four or five times,
and with the delay, I did give-H.M.JR: Who was bothered?

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3-

MISS KISTLER: I was. Mr. Ecker kept calling me
and asking for these things, and he has had those
figures for at least two weeks. He could have had them
immediately when he asked if all he had wanted had been
the figures. I mean, what they wanted was a study, you
see.

H.M.JR: What I think you had better do is this.
I know how those things - six months from now they will
say, "We never would have given a dollar if Harry White
had given the figures."

So you tell Harry White he had better write a

letter - he should write the letter to Stettinius,

telling them just what happened, because I can see

that Stettinius is trying to look for a goat.

MISS KISTLER: To the extent he has, it is my
fault.

H.M.JR: If you have given the figures-MISS KISTLER: I mean if the project had been
done promptly, he would not be able to come in today

and--

H.M.JR: What you are telling me is that he has

had the figures for over two weeks. I would spell it
out with the greatest of detail and let Mrs. Klotz have
a copy for my diary. These things come up two years
from now, and you can't for the life of you remember.

The other thing is that I have asked for this

meeting between eleven and twelve tomorrow, at which

time I want White to go with me. I hope to have a

little time before that. I have got to be brought up

to date by White. If possible, he should let me have
a little memorandum tonight - just a thumbnail sketch
of what the situation is on the British Empire and

Canada, and should we say at this time that they should
stop doing any more lend-lease to South Africa.

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For instance, he gave me an example. England asked

for two million Turkish towels. He said it was some
kind of an obligation that they had. He said, "Let them

have them." I said, "If they have got a billion dollars
in gold, in American dollars, they could have bought

their own Turkish towels." He said that the situation

was such they could not turn them down. But there are

things like that which they might very well pay cash for.
MISS KISTLER: There was that memorandum we prepared

for the meeting. Do you want more than that? We did
cover the Empire.

H.M. JR: What you have got to do between now and

tomorrow morning - you and Mr. White - is to give me
this kind of a memorandum. This is what I want:
England, their dollar balances, in lump sum, and don't

try to explain it. You could begin to taper off on

non-military items. Then South Africa, balance so much no reason that they should not pay entire cash; then
Canada so much. We could begin to taper off on non-

military items.

MISS KISTLER: Country by country and an expression
of opinion?

H.M.JR: Yes. The fact that Cairo is loaded up
with a lot of sterling and does not know what to do

with it - I don't think that is our concern.
Do you agree with me?
MISS KISTIER: Yes.

H.M. JR: The fact that they have got a lot of

sterling, that is just too bad. But as I listened to

these people, I just wondered if maybe we hadn't been

a little bit slow, maybe, on advising them to shut off

on this thing. I think we are a little bit to blame.

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MISS KISTLER: I do, too.

H.M.JR: I think White and you are a little bit
to blame for not bringing this to my attention.
MISS KISTLER: Yes, that is quite possible. We
may be.

H.M.JR: I like your attitude, anyway.
Tell White, and he will have a chance to see me
this afternoon.

There was one other thing that Stettinius said,
that he had had a telephone conversation with Hopkins.
He could not even see him. He told him what had
happened, but that he, Stettinius, looked to the
Treasury to tell him when the balances were too
great and that he was relying on us to advise him.

So Hopkins said, "If that is the case" - you see
what they are going to do, and that is they are going
to go up on the Hill and say, "That is the Treasury's
responsibility they did not say anything."
MISS KISTLER: We were not aggressive enough.

Mr. White, as early as June and July, expressed
opinions to Ecker and questioned lend-lease to South
Africa when it was brought up.

H.M.JR: He had better get into this whole thing.
But I could just see what is going to happen.
They will say, "Well, Mr. Morgenthau is the chief

fiscal officer.

MISS KISTLER: Of course the unfortunate aspect

is that we ever got into that relief thing. Some of

this flows from - you remember when Mr. Keynes was
here last summer and he wanted five hundred dollars
in cash from Lend-Lease appropriation - he wanted a

six-hundred-dollar kitty.

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-6H.M.JR: Six hundred million?
MISS KISTLER: Yes.

(The Secretary held a telephone conversation

with Mr. Oscar Cox, as follows:)

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December 22, 1942
11:55 a.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Cox.

HMJr:

Oscar?

Oscar
Cox:

How are you, sir?

HMJr:

I'm fine.

C:

I wanted to tell you two things after that
meeting on Friday.

HMJr:
C:

Yeah.

One was that apparently B.E.W. got worried
about it, and have suggested that Wayne Coy
head up an Intergovernmental Committee

HMJr:

Yeah.

merely as an impartial chairman, with the

C:

idea in mind that on specific problems like
the dollar balance thing if you were good
enough, you'd be the chairman, and 80 forth.

HMJr:
C:

Yeah.

Secondly, I think Stettinius is very disturbed
about the thing like the South African business
and thought he ought to take the bull by the
horns and ask you if you wouldn't head up a
group for that, so he 11 probably be in touch
with you if he hasn't already.

HMJr:

He has.

C:

Good.

HMJr:

Well, as a result of his being here, I've asked
Dean Acheson

C:

Yeah.

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-2and have done it very advisedly, to ask -

HMJr:

tell Mr. Hull that I'd very much like to call

on him tomorrow with Wallace and with Stettinius
and Harry White and myself.
Good.

C:

HMJr:
C:

HMJr:

Between eleven and twelve tomorrow.

Well, that's fine.
And get it on that level.

C:

Oh, I think you're very wise.

HMJr:

See?

C:

Yeah.

HMJr:

What else?

C:

HMJr:
C:

HMJr:
C:

HMJr:

The only other thing was this screwball idea
I dropped you a note about on the question of
minting gold coin.
For minting gold coin?
Yeah.

I don't think we can.
Well, I should think some bright lawyers could
probably figure out a way for you to do it.
Well, I suppose the answer is I should ask you
then.

C:

No

HMJr:

(Laughs)

C:

HMJr:
C:

no, I would say - I would say Randolph
Paul ought to be up to that one
(Laughs)

because I'm..

172

-3HMJr:

You don't think that's too difficult for
Randolph?

C:

HMJr:

C:

HMJr:

No, sir!
Well, you know we can get quite a few more up
in Canada if we want

I know, but you've got to look forward to the
future thing on this thing, where the European
people think a hell of a lot of the American
dollar, you know, and it's an educational
Yeah, you' re going - you're going to let the

people on the - is the Blue Danube or the Volga
River have gold coins and.

C:

HMJr:

C:

HMJr:
C:

HMJr:

Well, no

T.V.A. but you're not going to let the

U.S.A. fellows have them.

No, I'm - I'm with Witherow on that.
You are with Witherow on this.
Well, but I think when you get to the reoccupation of places like Italy or France, American
gold pieces will have certain strategic advantages not only presently but in the future.
Well, with what's left behind in the Treasury,
we'll see what we can do

C:

HMJr:

All right, friend.
with your screwball ideas.

C:

Right.

HMJr:

Have you already got an opinion written on
this?

C:

No, but we start off on the curious premise that
anything can be done 1f you know how.

HMJr:

Where'd you learn that?

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C:

Learned it from you.

HMJr:

Okay.

C:

Right.

HMJr:

Bass - grade "A".

C:

Right. (Laughs) Goodbye.

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-7H.M.JR: You might tell Harry White about that
last thing, whether we can coin five-dollar gold

pieces.

That is that, and you have your work cut out for
you for this afternoon. You people have to go out on
the end of a limb now and say - I can just see how

this thing is shaping up. Hopkins is really re-

sponsible; Stettinius is. They have all made a mistake.
They will say, "Well, Morgenthau should have told us."

All right.

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December 22, 1942
11:30 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Acheson.

HMJr:

Hello.

Dean

Acheson:

Yes, Henry.

HMJr:

Dean

A:

Good morning.

HMJr:

Ed Stettinius is here with me
now, and we ve been talking things over, and
he's made the suggestion -- and which I agree -that he - he - we think that he and I and
Wallace and yourself should see Mr. Hull
tomor row on this business and try to get this
thing straightened out, because he's saying
Good morning.

that his hearings start on the 11th of January -

hello?
A:

HMJr:

Yes.

Now what we'd like you to do is to see if you
can't arrange a meeting for Mr. Hull, which
he would call, say, between eleven and twelve

tomorrow, because I - I can't do it earlier

because I'm going to the White House.
A:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

Hello?

A:

Yes, between eleven and twelve.

HMJr:

Ed Stettinius lays great stress on the promptness of this meeting, you see?

A:

Yes. Do you want to decide anything at this,
because I'm - I don't think Mr. Hull will know
very much about it.

HMJr:

Well, no, the point is sim.. - the point is
simply this: how should we proceed in our
relationship opposite the British Empire.
That's the question.

-2A:

HMJr:

A:

HMJr:
A:

HMJr:

176

Yes, yeah.

I mean should we, for instance, cut - cut down on
Lend-Lease
GreatAfrica?
Britain? Should we stop doing
anything withtoSouth
Yeah.

Those are the two imminent things. Hello?
Yes, sir.

Now I'm ready to say that I think that right now
the English - Great Britain seems - dollar position

seems to be more than ample, and I think that
everything should be examined very carefully before -

as to whether they couldn't buy some of this stuff
with cash.

A:

Yes, I haven't had a....

HMJr:

And another thing

good look at all the figures, including

A:

HMJr:

What?

A:

One of the things I think we ought to go into very

carefully is their sterling obligations.

HMJr:

Yes, well, what Ed really wants is to have this

meeting and then what he d like is to have - and

Mr. Hull says" right, you fellows go out and
work this out and come back." But this would
really be a - a committee of - of the principals
rather than of a sub-sub-subcommittee.

A:

Yes.

HMJr:

You see?

A:

Yes. I should think that

HMJr:

And also it would bring Wallace into the picture;
Wallace has been over to see Jimmy Byrnes about

this - I don't know why; and - but it would put it
on a level which I think the importance calls for.

A:

Yes.

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-3HMJr:

And I - I can - Stettinius is sitting here

A:

Yes. Now there'd be you and.

HMJr:

Stettinius.

A:

opposite me. He's worried, and I think he has
a right to be worried because he's got to
face the Congress on the 11th of January.

Stettinius and Wallace and Mr. Hull.

HMJr:

Yeah, and yourself.

A:

All right.

HMJr:

And you can say I called you up and I'm doing

A:

All right, Henry, I....

HMJr:

it - and I'm doing this thing advisedly
through you because I want to bring you back
into the picture.

I mean I - I mean this isn't just an accident
that I'm calling you.

A:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

And Stettinius feels the same way that I do,
because

A:

HMJr:

Fine.

he says you're his man over there.

A:

All right, I think I can get back into it.

HMJr:

And I told him that I thought that you were my
man too, but

A:

(Laughs) I'll be both your men.

HMJr:

But that was the idea that you were supposed to

look after us, and as long as you looked after
us the State Department had very little trouble
with me.

A:

Yeah, you - you were behaving very well for
qui te

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-4HMJr:

I was behaving

a long time.

A:

HMJr:

I was behaving very well - I mean - and just
think of all the less headaches they had while

you looked after me.
A:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

So you can tell that to Mr. Hull

A:

HMJr:

(Laughs) Well, I don't - I think I'll skip
that part of it.
And I - I'11 bring White with me, because I

have to somebody that knows the figures.

All right, fine.

A:

Yes.

HMJr:

Okay?

A:

I'11 try to fix it up.

HMJr:

Try to make it between eleven and twelve tomor-

A:

Yes.

HMJr:

He can see one less ambassador.

A:

row. Tell him this 18 really urgent.

(Laughs) All right, Henry. I'll - I'11 fix it

up right away.
HMJr:

And - and I included the Vice President, did If

A:

Yes. Should - does he know about it?

HMJr:

No, because this just happened across the table
right now between

A:

HMJr:

Yes.

There's just Stettinius and I sitting here, and to do it, and the urgency is Stettinius' testi-

and - and we decided we thought this was the way
mony.

A:

Yes. All right, fine. I'11 speak to Mr. Hull now.

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HMJr:

Okay.

A:

Un huh.

HMJr:

But wait ( talks aside: What?) He says the
urgency is the testimony asking for new funds.

A:

HMJr:

Yes.

See? And he says he thinks it - what he said was -

earlier - that if he's going to do this there'11

be a lot of cabling back and forth, and the whole
question comes in at this time, is this a good
time to tell England, "You're going to have to
pay cash for something" and so forth, and do we
want to shut South Africa off from Lend-Lease?

A:

Yes.

HMJr:

I mean it's - this is high policy stuff and

there's no committee with a fellow like Coe
sitting at the head of it should even consider

this stuff.

A:

Yeah.

HMJr:

It's just damn nonsense. I mean it's damn
nonsense.

A:

HMJr:

I - I think it is. I think you - you fellows

have got to decide it yourselves.
Sure, we got to decide it, and then we got to
make up our mind, and in the final analysis the
Commander-in-Chief's got to say "yes" or "no"
anyway.

A:

Yes.

HMJr:

But Mr. Hull ought to get in on it now.

A:

All right. I will try to get this meeting called
about eleven-thirty tomorrow.

HMJr:

Right, and I expect to see you there and not a
fellow who's about five-foot-two.

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A:

(Laughs) All right, you won't see him.

HMJr:

All right.

A:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

Thanks.

A:

Goodbye.

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L

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE December 22, 1942
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. White

1. As of the close of November 1942, British Empire
countries (excluding Canada) held $1.8 billion of gold and U.S.
dollars, as follows:
(Millions)
United Kingdom

South Africa

British India
New Zealand

Australia

$ 930
590

275
25
10

In audition, the above countries hold an aggregate of more
than $300 million of private dollar balances in the United States.
On the basis of information available, we estimate that the
gold and U.S. dollar holdings of British Empire countries
(excluding Canada) will increase a further $200 million by

March 31, 1943.

2. On the assumption that the Empire (excluding Canada)

is to be considered as a unit.

Aggregate holdings of $1.8 billion are likely to prove embarrassing. Certainly they should not be allowed to rise any
higher and serious consideration should be given to the advisa-

bility of reducing it.

3. on the assumption that the members of the British Empire
are to be treated separately:
a. The United Kingdom.
U.K. now has gold and dollar balances of more than
$930 million and her hold ings are increasing at the

rate of approximately $30 million a month. I believe
that Congress will be reluctant to permit appropriations to be used to increase those holdings much beyond
their present level.

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Division of Monetary

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Research

The British Treasury claims that her

sterling liabilities are mounting rapidly and

that for this reason, even though her gold and
dollar assets are increasing, her net position
is not improving.

It is true that Britain's sterling liabili-

ties will doubtless operate to reduce her foreign

exchange acquisitions after the war, but we do not

believe that this is sufficient justification to

continue to permit England to accumulate gold and

dollars at the rate of several hundred million
dollars a year beyond the current level.
b. Union of South Africa.

South Africa now has about $600 million --

practically all in gold. She is accumulating it
at the rate of $20 million a month. In the ab-

sence of overwhelming political considerations, it
seems to us that lend-lease assistance to South

Africa would be extremely difficult to justify in
view of her ability to pay for what she buys.

C. British India.
India has about $275 million of gold.
Political considerat ions may preclude any

other policy than that being pursued at the present.
Otherwise reexamination of the present policy is in
order in view of the amount of gold held by British
India.

d. New Zealand and Australia.
The gold and dollar exchange assets of these
countries are very small in comparison to other
Empire countries. But, as in the case of South

Africa and India, if the decision is to consider
the Empire countries separately, their dollar
exchange position and our policy with respect to
them should be reexamined.

183

Division of Monetary
Research

-34. Canada.

Canada's holdings of gold and U.S. dollars have in-

creased steadily since the beginning of 1942 and now amount to

about $300 million. In the absence of any reversal of U.S.

Government policy, the prospects are for a continued increase.
In view of the fact that the Canadian Government's holdings
of gold and U.S. dollars are now as high as they were at the out-

break of war, we think it is time to consider the advisability
of levelling off these holdings and maintaining them at their
current levels. In accordance with Dr. Currie's understanding,

I am making arrangement to discuss his suggestion with Canadian
authorities.

5. Other Countries.
Lend-Lease aid is now being gra ted to more than a
score of countries. Many of these have substantial gold and
dollar balances. The data we have on most of them are incomplete.
I think that the procedure should be that before any country is
given lend-lease aid, that we here should contact the Treasury
Department of that particular country with a view to getting a
complete picture of the country's foreign exchange assets and
balance of payments, as we do in the case of the United Kingdom
and Canada. The appropriate officials here would then have before
them the information necessary to make policy decisions.

with.

If you will authorize this procedure, I will proceed forth-

184
December 22, 1942
3:21 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Welles.

HMJr:

Hello.

Sumner

Welles:

Hello.

HMJr:

Sumner?

W:

Yes, Henry.

HMJr:

Good afternoon.

W:

How are you?

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

W:

HMJr:

W:

I'm fine. And you?
Good, all right.
Summer, Mrs. Morgenthau had a letter from
Mrs. de Sola Pool

Oh, yes, I know her.

about the chi.. - I think there's 700
children of the Youth Aliyah in Tehran that
they're trying to get into Palestine.
I know all about that case, Henry. I've been

working on it for two months.
HMJr:
W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

Right.

The difficulty there 18 that the Prime Minister
of Iraq
Yes.

has not yet been willing, notwithstanding
repeated British representations and very
strong representations from us to permit those
children to go through.
Yes.

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2-

W:

At one time the British said that they'd errange to have them sent by plane, but
apparently they haven't been able to get the
plane

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

Yes.

and we are now working on the proposition
with the idea of getting an arrangement made
so that they wouldn't stay more than twentyfour hours.
In

In Iraq
In Iraq.

....

on the way through.

They said something about having a sealed train

or something.
W:

HMJr:

W:

Yeah.

Did Mrs. Roosevelt speak to you about it, because
my wife took it up with Mrs. Roosevelt.

Not that I - no, she hasn't - not with me directly,
no.

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

W:

I see.

Well, this first came to my attention about oh, easily two months ago, and I've been working
on it ever since.

Well, would it be a lot of trouble if you wrote
me a little note and that Mrs. Morgenthau could
say that she's - that you're working on this?
I'd be delighted to, Henry.

HMJr:

Would you do that?

W:

Yes, be glad to.

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HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

And then could she show that to these people?
Surely.

Well, that would help a lot, and that would
show your interest in the matter.

All right, Henry, I'11 be glad to send it to
you this afternoon.
Thank you 80 much.

Not a bit. Goodbye.
Goodbye.

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APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT
MARCH 10. 1926

FROM

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The White House 187
Washington

DEC. 22, 1942

THE PRESIDENT:

Few
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THIS MORNING HAVING LUNCH WITH Bos DOUGHTON TODAY. LOOKING
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COPY TO Miss KLOTZ.

188

DEC 2 2 1942

My dear Senator:

This will acknowledge with appreciation
your letter of December 17, 1942, in which you

set out the legislative history of the amendment to section 740 (d) of the Internal Revenue
Code made by section 228 of the Revenue Act of
1942.

You indicate that the purpose of that
amendment was to preserve, in the case of ac-

quiring corporations, for all excess profits
tax taxable years the base period established

for the first taxable year ending in 1941
under Supplement A as originally enacted.

While the Regulations are still in tentative

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-2form, it is my understanding that they will
embody the purpose and legislative intent,

as you describe them, with which this provision of the 1942 Act was passed.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) H. Morgenthan, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.
Honorable Walter F. George,
United States Senate,
Washington, D. C.

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United States Senate
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

December 17, 1942

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:
Among the amendments made to Supplement A of the Internal Revenue

Code by section 228 of the Revenue Act of 1942 W88 a redefinition of

the base period applicable in the case of acquiring corporations (sec-

tion 740(d) of the Code). I think you will be interested in certain
elements of the legislative history of this amendment which are not

fully set forth either in the Congressional Record or in the Conference
Report.

Under the law prior to its amendment by the Revenue Act of 1942,

the base period of an acquiring corporation was defined in section
740(d) of the Code as follows:

"(d) Base Period. In the case of a taxpayer which is

an acquiring corporation the base period shall be:

"(1) If the tax is being computed for any taxable

year beginning in 1940, the forty-eight months preceding
the beginning of such taxable year; or

"(2) If the tax is being computed for any taxable

year beginning after December 31, 1940, the forty-eight
months preceding what would have been its first taxable
year beginning in 1940 if it had had a taxable year beginning in 1940 on the date on which the taxable year for
which the tax is being computed began."

United States Senate
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

Mr. Morgenthau

-2-

December 17, 1942

These provisions were retained in the Revenue Bill of 1942 as
passed by the House and as reported by the Finance Committee of the

Senate, but paragraph (2) was limited to taxable years beginning in
1941 and a new paragraph (3), reading as follows, WELB added to cover
1942 and future years:

"(3) If the tax is being computed for any taxable year

beginning after December 31, 1941, the four calendar years
1936 to 1939, both inclusive."

While the Bill was under consideration in the Senate, however,

Senator Connally felt very strongly - and I agreed with him -- that
8 corporation which became an acquiring corporation prior to September 1,

1940, and therefore prior to the enactment of the Excess Profits Tax Act,
and which under the provisions of section 740(d) as originally enacted

was entitled to a fiscal year base period, should be allowed to retain
such base period for future years as well. Senator Connally therefore
prepared an amendment adding the following language to section 740(d)(3)

as it appeared in the Bill:
"except that, if the taxpayer became an acquiring corporation the same

prior to September 1, 1940, the base périod shall be 1941.

as that applicable to its first taxable year ending in

The effect of this amendment was to preserve the base period established

under subsections (d)(1) and (d)(2) of both the Bill and existing law.

United States Senate
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

CORPORATION . KENNEDY,

Mr. Morgenthau

-3-

December 17, 1942

A copy of the amendment was given to me and I offered it in Senator

Connally's behalf, since he was not present on the floor of the Senate
when the matter came up. I neglected, however, to insert his explana,

tory statement in the Record which, if it had appeared, would have made
it very clear that the purpose of the amendment WHB as I have stated it
to be.

At the time the amendment was introduced and adopted, however, an-

other amendment, sponsored by the Treasury, eliminated paragraphs (1)

and (2) and removed the date limitation from paragraph (3), so that

section 740(d) as finally adopted read as follows:

"(d) In the case of a taxpayer which is an acquiring

corporation the base period shall be the four calendar years
1936 to 1939, both inclusive, except that, if the taxpayer
became an acquiring corporation prior to September 1, 1940,
the base period shall be the same as that applicable to its
first taxable year ending in 1941."
The except clause, originally prepared to apply to 1942 and subsequent years (those being the only years with respect to which the rule
was changed), thus became part of a new provision applicable to all years.
Its purpose remained the same, however -- to preserve for all excess

profits tax taxable years the base period established for the first
taxable year ending in 1941 under Supplement A as originally enacted.

United States Senate
A.

COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

December 17, 1942

Mr. Morgenthau

It was so understood by the Conferees. It was intended to have this
effect even though an election was made under section 228(f) of the
Revenue Act of 1942 to apply the Supplement A amendments retroactively.

I have no doubt that the forthcoming regulations will interpret
this provision in accordance with its manifest intent and purpose, but,
in order that the Treasury may have as full an understanding as possible
of the background of the amendment, I have thought it worth while to
give.you a complete picture of the steps leading to the enactment of

section 740(d) in its present form.
Respectfully,

Jacus Finance

194
GENERAL COUNSEL

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

DEC 2 2 1942
To:

Mr. Morgenthau

From:

Randolph Paul

On October 9, 1942, on the floor of the Senate,

Senator Barkley strongly criticized the section which became section 512 of the Revenue Act of 1942. The grounds

of his criticism were that the language as it was eventually
enacted into law enabled the Joint Committee on Internal

Revenue Taxation and the chief of its staff, with the approval of the chairman or vice chairman of the Committee,
to circumvent the head of a department by securing informa-

tion directly from a subordinate board, bureau, or agency.
Senator Barkley introduced an amendment (88 Cong. Rec.

D.I. 8268) that would have required the Committee or its

chief of staff to secure the information from the head of
the Department or independent establishment, agency, or
instrumentality concerned. The amendment was defeated

after debate by a vote of 74 to 10.
Attached are pages (commencing on page 8268) of the
Congressional Record showing the proceedings, debate, and
vote.
Attachment

hap

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1942

195

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE

cost. I will support such increases under

such circumstances; but this is wholly

beside the present point Any reference
to the expansion of the Social Security
System itself. and the increase in bene-

fits is merely a red herring across the

trail.

The present point is that the pending

amendment says that pay-roll taxes
shall not be increased unless and until it
is necessary to create a larger revenue to

pay larger benefits That can be done

any time in 1943, if and when Congress

extends and expands the benefits, recardless of the action taken today on the

The PRESIDING OFFICER The Senator will state it.
Mr. TAFT. As I understand a vote of
"yea" is a vote to keep the committee
amendment in the bill, and freeze the
social-security taxes.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. That is

correct.

The clerk will call the roll.
The Chief Clerk proceeded to call the

roll.

Mr. REED (when his name was called).
I have a general pair with the senior Senator from New York (Mr. WAGNER). On

this vote I transfer that pair to the junior

pending amendment. Today's action

Senator from New Hampshire (Mr.

needlessly go up before the benefits rise

Mr. THOMAS of Utah (when his name

simply decides whether the taxes shall

in proportion. That is the issue in a
nutshell

Mr. President, I wish to submit one

further fact. I shall not labor the point

further with the Senate. I could present

testimony ad infinitum. from the best
social-security sources in this country.
that the collateral use of needless socialsecurity revenues is the most serious possible assault that could be made upon the

integrity and perpetuity of the socialsecurity fund The greatest authority of

TOBEY]. and will vote, I vote "yea."

was called). I have a general pair with
the senior Senator from New Hampshire
(Mr. BRIDGES]. I transfer that pair to the

senior Senator from Rhode Island (Mr.
GREEN], who I am informed, If present,
would vote "nay." I vote "nay."

The roll call was concluded
Mr. RADCLIFFE The senior Senator

from Maryland (Mr. TYDINGS is unavoidably absent. Were he present, his

vote would be "yea.

Mr. BYRD. My colleague the senior

8267

Murdock
Murray

Pepper

Reynolds

Norris

Thomas, Utah
Tunnell

Stewart

Overton

Thomas Okla

Waligren

NOT VOTING-11
Andrews
Bridges

Clark,Idaho
Glass

Green
Hughes

Russell

Smathers

Tobey
Tydings
Wagner

So the committee amendment was

agreed to

Mr. DANAHER Mr. President, a parliamentary inquiry

The PRESIDING OFFICER The

Senator will state it.
Mr. DANAHER Is the bill now open

to further amendment?

The PRESIDING OFFICER. There
remains to be acted upon a committee
amendment which was passed over at the

request of the Senator from Oregon.
The amendment appears on page 352.

Mr. DANAHER I desire to offer are

amendment when the bill is open to fur=

ther amendment

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The

Clerk will state the committee amendment on page 352.

Mr. McNARY Mr. President, the

amendment was read by the clerk shortly

after the luncheon hour. I have an

all upon this subject is the social-security

Senator from Virginia (Mr. GLASS) is de-

organization in New York City known as
the American Association for Social Se-

amendment pending to the committee
amendment Action on it was deferred

illness. Were he present he would vote

because of the absence of two Senators

curity, which was operated for many

"yea."

cently died- association which has

ator from Delaware (Mr. HUGHES) is absent from the Senate because of illness.

ment offered by me, but, of course, have

CLARK], the Senator from Rhode Island
(Mr. GREEN] the Senator from Georgia

bill toward my amendment.

years by Mr. Abraham Epstein, who re-

bitterly condemned, from the very moment Secretary Morgenthau first pro-

posed the use of social-security taxes in

this fashion, any such diversion of the

taxing function.

Mr. President I said I wished to refer
to one further fact. The social-security

tained from the Senate on account of
Mr. HILL I announce that the Sen-

The Senator from Florida (Mr. ANDREWS). the Senator from Idaho (Mr.

(Mr. RUSSELL). the Senator from New

Jersey (Mr. SMATHERS). and the Senator

pay-roll taxes which will be collected in

from New York (Mr. WAGNER are neces-

1943. at 1 percent, leaving the rate where

sarily absent.

it is at this moment, will be equal to the
taxes which Dr. Altmeyer and his board
estimated 3 years ago they could collect
in 1943 at 2 percent on employers and
employees alike.

In other words, when we maintain and

freeze the rate where it is. we still are

producing the revenue which the Social

Security Board itself prophesied would

require a 2-percent tax in 1943 to obtain.
Mr. President, I leave the issue with the

Senate. I shall be quite content, of
course, with the verdict. I submit that
protection of the tax function of the
Social Security System is vital to the
maintenance of the social-security prin-

ciple; and I submit that in the face of

the tremendous $8,000,000,000 burden
which we are now placing on the Ameri-

I am advised that, If present and vot-

ing. the Senator from Rhode Island (Mr.

GREEN], the Senator from New Jersey
(Mr. SMATHERS), and the Senator from

New York (Mr. WAGNER] would vote
"nay.

Mr. McNARY The Senators from

New Hampshire (Mr. BRIDGES and Mr.

TOBEY) are necessarily absent. Their
pairs have been announced. Both Senators would vote "yea," if present.

The result was announced-year 50,

nays 35, as follows:

Ball

Barbour

can people, It would be not only senseless,

Brewster
Brooks
Bulow

further burden of a 100-percent increase

Butler

but utterly crude, to add a needless
in social-security pay-roll taxes, which,
under the definitions of the Secretary of

the Treasury himself. is not necessary

either to the functioning or the solvency
of the fund.

The PRESIDING OFFICER The ques-

tion is on agreeing to the committee
amendment on page 574. after line 22.

Mr. VANDENBERG I ask for the yeas

and nays.

The yeas and nays were ordered.

Mr. TAFT Mr. President, a parlia-

mentary inquiry.

George

Reed

Gerry

Roster

Gillette

Schwartz

Guffey
Gurney
Herring

Spencer

Holman

Shipstead
Smith
Taft

Johnson Calif.

Thoma. Idaho

Burton

Johnson, Colo.
Kilgore

Byrd
Capper

Lodge

Vandenberg
Van Nuys

Chaves

Clark Mo.
Connally
Dansher
Davis

McNary

Mulkin

Truman
Walsh
Wheeler

Nye

White

O'Daniel

Wiley

O'Mahoney

Willis

Radeliffe
Downey

Barkley

Doxey

Bilbo
Bone

Ellender
Hatch

Brown

Hayden

Bunker

Hill

Caraway

LA Follette

Chandler

Langer

Mr. GEORGE Mr. President, I have

not had an opportunity to study the
amendment offered by the Senator from
Oregon. but I think that the amendment

would give to timber a benefit greater
than the benefits given to other depletable assets

Mr. McNARY. Mr. President, in my

amendment I desire to have no advantage. I merely want timber resources to

be on a parity of equality with other
natural resources. If the Senator will
suggest any amendment or improvement, I shall be glad to accept it, and let

It be worked out in conference I repeat, I do not want for timber resources

anything but parity with the other reMr. GEORGE. I think the amend-

ment the Senator has drafted would give
timber an advantage over other depletable resources

Mr. McNARY. I do not think so.

Mr. GEORGE I have not had time

to check it.

Mr. McNARY. I may state that I

would not consciously have offered the

amendment in such a fashion. The

Senator, of course, will perform his duty
and in conference remove the advantage,
if it exists.

Mr. GEORGE. I shall be glad to let

the amendment go to conference for the

NAYS-35
Bankhead

no objection. nor do I desire to make a
further statement, in view of the friendly
attitude of the Senator in charge of the

sources which are specified in the bill.

YEAS-50
Alken
Austin
Balley

who had similar amendments. I do not

think it is necessary to read again the
committee amendment or the amend-

Lee

Lucas

McCarran
McFarland
McKellar
Maloney
Maybank
Mead

purpose of ascertaining whether or not

the amendment would give timber an
advantage over other depletable re-

sources.

Mr. McNARY I again assert that Ido
not want to have any advantage.

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8270

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE
States It is to the head of
The PRESIDING OFFICER The
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8272
NOT VOTING-12
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OCTOBER 9

of offering the amendments. The clerk

Clark.Idaho

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So Mr. BARKLEY'S amendment to the
committee amendment was rejected.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The

question recurs on agreeing to the com-

mittee amendment on page 541, after

line 2.

The amendment was agreed to.

Mr. GEORGE Mr. President, I had
hoped that we might be able to conclude

consideration of the bill today: but it is
obvious that we cannot do so without re-

maining here for 2 or 3 hours longer. I
shall ask permission to dispose of certain
technical amendments, so that tomorrow

will proceed to state the amendments.
The next amendment was, in the com-

mittee amendment beginning on page
386, to insert on page 390, line 4, after the

word "subchapter", the following: or in
the case of a taxable year the return for
which was filed prior to the date of the
enactment of the Revenue Act of 1942,

within 6 months after the date of the

enactment of such act."

The amendment to the amendment
was agreed to.

The next amendment was, on page

390, at the beginning of line 8, before the

word "Irrevocable", to insert "made in
accordance with such regulations and
shall be.

The amendment to the amendment

we may have the bill before us practi-

was agreed to.

amendments to be offered from the
floor. I hope that is agreeable to the

line 9, after the word "contracts". to in-

cally only for the consideration of

leaders of the majority and the minority.
Mr. McNARY. It is agreeable to me.
Mr. BARKLEY. It is also agreeable to
me, although, so far as I am concerned, I
think it might be well to proceed for a
little while to clear up some underbrush
and meet tomorrow and complete the
bill.

Mr. GEORGE. Yes: I am sure we can
finish the bill tomorrow.
Mr. President, the Senator from Maine
asked that certain committee amendments be passed over. Subsequently
those amendments were called up, and
it was believed that amendments to them
would not be necessary. Since then the
matter has been checked, and the Senator from Maine desires certain technical
amendments agreed to. The amendments have been checked by both the
Treasury staff and the joint committee
staff, and there is no objection to them.

They are entirely technical The first

amendment I offer comes in on page 18,

line 17.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The

Chair is informed that the amendment
is to a committee amendment which has
already been agreed to.

Without objection, the vote by which
the committee amendment was agreed to

is reconsidered. The clerk will state the
amendment to the amendment.
The CHIEF CLERK. In the committee
amendment on page 18. in line 17, it is
proposed to delete "or": and in line 18,
after the parenthesis, to insert or section 736 (b).'
The amendment to the amendment

was agreed to.

The amendment as amended was

agreed to.

Mr. GEORGE. Mr. President, I should
say that all the amendments I am now
offering are to committee amendments
which have been agreed to. I ask unantmous consent that in each instance the
vote by which the committee amendment
was agreed to may be reconsidered for

the purpose of offering these amend-

ments.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
objection, It is so ordered, and the votes
by which the committee amendments
were
agreed to will be considered as haying
been reconsidered for the purpose

The next amendment was, on page 390,

sert "past, present, or future."

The amendment to the amendment

was agreed to.

The to
amendment
agreed

as amended was

Mr. GEORGE. Mr. President, I send
to the desk and ask to have stated a new

amendment to be inserted at the proper
place in the bill. Let me state that the
Treasury has no objection to the amend-

ment. It is solely for the purpose of

eliminating duplications and other im.
perfections in the net-operating-loss
carry-over provisions as they apply to
the computations
income.

of net excess-profits

The PRESIDING OFFICER The
amendment submitted by the Senator
from Georgia will be stated.
The CHIEF CLERK. At the proper place

in the bill it is proposed to insert the
following new section:

SEC. (210) Net operating loss deduction ad.
justment

(a) Section 711 (a) (1) (relating the
xcess-profits credit computed under income

credit) is amended by adding at the end

line 9, after the word "which", to insert

thereof the following new subparagraph
*(J) Net operating loss deduction adjust.
ment: The net operating loss deduction shall
be adjusted as follows:

agreed to.

"(1) In computing the net operating loss
for any taxable year under section 122 (a)

The next amendment was, on page 390,

"required or
The amendment to the amendment was

The next amendment was, on page 390,

line 12, after the word "subchapter", to
insert ". including the computation of

and the net income for any taxable year

under section 122 (b), no deduction shall
allowed for any excess-profits tax imposed

year of the base period under section

by this subchapter; and
((11) In lieu of the reduction provided in
section 122 (c) such reduction shall be in

The amendment to the amendment

income computed with the exceptions and
limitations specified in section 122 (d) (1),

excess profits net income in each taxable

711 (b)."

was agreed to.

The next amendment was, on page
390, line 13, after the word "election"
and before the period, to insert "but for
purposes of chapter 1, the tax imposed
by this subchapter for any prior taxable
year on account of the adjustment required by this subsection shall be considered a part of the tax imposed by this
subchapter for the taxable year in which

such income is, without regard to this
subsection, includible in gross income."
The amendment to the amendment

was agreed to

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
question recurs on agreeing to the committee amendment as amended.

The amendment as amended was

agreed to.

The next amendment was, on page 392,

to strike out lines 4 to 7. inclusive, and
insert in lieu thereof the following:
(e) Retroactive application of provisions
relative to general relief and income from
long-term contracts(1) The amendments made by this section
to section 722 shall be applicable with re-

of
so
to with to
spect
taxable years beginning after Decem
ber 31,to
1939
as

much (2) shall of Subsection subsection be applicable (b) (c) only section applicable 736 respect and there.

taxable years beginning after December 31,

1941, except that, If a taxpayer, within 6
months after the date of enactment of this
act and in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Commissioner with the ap.
proval of the Secretary. elects to have such
subsections apply retroactively to all taxable
years beginning after December 31, 1939, such

amendments shall also be applicable to such
taxable years.

The amendment to the amendment

was agreed to.

the amount by which the excess-profits net
(2), (3), and (4) exceeds the excess-profits

net income (computed without the net

erating loss deduction)

(b) Section 711 (a) (2) (relating to the
excess-profits credit computed under invested capital credit) is amended by adding

at the end thereof the following new sub

paragraph:

(L) Net operating loss deduction adjust
ment: The net operating loss deduction shall
be adjusted as follows:

(1) In computing the net operating loss
for any taxable year under section 122 (a).

and the net income for any taxable year

under section 122 (b). no deduction shall
allowed for any ccess-profits tax imposed by

this subchapter, the deduction for interest
shall be reduced by the amount of any re-

duction under subparagraph (B) of this
paragraph, and the gross income shall be
increased by the amount of the adjustment
specified by subparagraph (G) of this para-

graph to the extent that such adjustment
includes interest other than interest described in section 122 (d) (2): and
'(11) In lieu of the reduction provided in
section 122 (c). such reduction shall be in
the amount by which the excess-profits net

income computed with the exceptions and
limitations provided in section 122 (d) (1).
(2). (3). and (4) exceeds the excess-profits

net income (computed without the net op-

erating loss deduction)
(c) The amendments made by this section
shall be effective as of the date of enactment
of the Excess Profits Tax Act of 1940.

Mr. DANAHER. Mr. President, I
should like to ask the Senator from Geor-

gia to explain, if he will do so, the type
of cases which the proposed amendment
is designed to cover.

Mr. GEORGE. The amendment would

apply to the excess-profits carry-over
provision. The amendment has been

submitted to the Treasury. It is in-

tended to eliminate duplications in

the

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

Secretary Morgenthau

December 22, 1942

FROM Randolph Paul

On Friday evening at the invitation of Mr. Louis Brown,

President of the Johna Manville Company, I attended dinner
at Mr. Brown's apartment in the Wardman Park Hotel for the

purpose of discussing the tax situation with him and with
four or five other men who, according to Mr. Brown, would
have most to do with the formulation of tax policy in the
next Congress. There were six of us at dinner - the other
four being Mr. Roswell Magill, former Undersecretary of
the Treasury, Mr. Ellsworth Alvord, Washington attorney,
representing the U. S. Chamber of Commerce, Mr. Chester
Cowden representing the National Association of Manufacturers and Mr. John Hanes, also former Undersecretary of
the Treasury.

The following will give a general summary of the
matters discussed at dinner and in the evening after dinner:
1. There was considerable discussion of the Ruml plan.
I explained the Treasury's substitute for the Ruml plan

presented to the Senate Finance Committee last September

which involved reduction of rate brackets by 10 percentage
points for 1942, an increase of rate brackets for 1943 by
5 percentage points, and withholding at the source for

1943 at the rate of 15 percent. The effect of this pro-

vision is summarized in the letter to the Washington Post,
dated December 8, 1942, in answer to the published letter
of Louis Bromfield, as follows:
"The Treasury plan would have led to the collection

of a large part of individual income taxes at the source
for most taxpayers. About three-fourths of all income
taxpayers would have been shifted to a substantially

current basis, with about two-thirds of their 1943 tax
liability collected at source. The taxpayers who would
have the largest proportion of their tax liability placed

on a current basis are those in the lower income brackets.
In other words, the Treasury plan would meet most fully
the needs of precisely those taxpayers whose budgeting
habits and unfamiliarity with income taxes make a pay-asyou-go system most useful."

199

-2All expressed themselves as in favor of going at

least this far; some would like to go further, forgiving

entirely all taxes for 1942 whatever the rate bracket.

Mr. Hanes was the only one who expressed doubt whether

this was feasible politically.

2. The size of the program for the next Congress was
then discussed. Mr. Cowden expressed the view that the

total should be $60 billion or $30 billion additional
(counting $30 billion as the present yield). He thought
this should consist of $5 billion in the form of a sales

tax with no exemption for food and a flat 20 percent compulsory lending program. I expressed my views against
the sales tax and criticized the flat compulsory lending
program on the ground that it would be extremely hard on
the lower incomes and would represent merely a shift of
saving for the upper incomes. Mr. Alvord doubted whether
much could be obtained from a sales tax. I also told those
present that I thought such a program would be too onerous
and with this all but Cowden agreed.

3. We had some discussion of the matter of timing
and it was thought advisable by those present to put in
the forefront any matters that needed legislation before
March 15, leaving other less urgent matters to a separate

later bill.

4. We had some discussion of corporate rates.
Mr. Hanes expressed the view very strongly that we should

have some debt relief. I agreed with this point and said
that with proper debt relief and other like provisions I
thought the rate could easily go from 40 percent to 50

percent or 55 percent for the normal and surtax combined.
Mr. Brown thought 50 percent with debt relief would not be
too onerous. The others did not express themselves on this
point.

5. Everyone present was strongly in favor of collection

at the source.

6. We had some discussion of the spendings tax and
Mr. Alvord expressed himself as pretty much against this

200

-3tax. The others, I am sure, were against this tax though
they did not say so explicitly.
7. Some support was given, particularly by Mr. Alvord,

to the so-called individual excess profits tax or tax on
increased incomes of individuals, the theory of this tax
being that it would reach inflationary incomes directly
attributable to the war effort. Mr. Alvord advanced the
idea that a levy of this sort might be put in the form of
compulsory lending, and I told him that Hanson had also

advanced this idea. The others did not argue for this tax,

which is somewhat strange. When he first saw me, Mr. Brown
strongly advocated the tax, and between that time and the

time of the dinner I had given Mr. Brown several copies of
a memorandum pointing out the difficulties involved in this
form of taxation. Perhaps these memoranda had shaken

Mr. Brown's faith in this tax.

8. I think all of the gentlemen present were in

favor of some form of compulsory lending, although not
all of them would go as far or as high as Mr. Cowden.
As I said, the compulsory lending favored by Mr. Cowden
would be a straight percentage requirement with no progression in the schedule.

9. Although it is not strictly relevant to the

above, we had some discussion of the salary limitation,
and opposition was expressed by everyone except myself.

REI

201

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE December 22, 1942
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Randolph Paul

The last sentence of the middle paragraph
on page 5 formerly read:
"Within the next few months we should

be collecting from current levies one-half
of the cost of the Federal Government".

After conference between Mr. Bell, Mr. Blough and
myself, it was changed to read as shown:

"Within the next few months our receipts
under existing revenue laws and under any new
fiscal measures adopted by the Con gress should

approximate one-half the cost of the Federal
Government"

But

202
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MARCH 10. 1926

TELEGRAM

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Internal Revenue

OFFICIAL BUSINESS GOVERNMENT RATES

RIGHT LETTER

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December 22, 1942

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Technicolor Laboratory

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AS YOU KNOW IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE TREASURY
TO GET THE NEW DISNEY TAX FILM DISTRIBUTED AS EARLY
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THE PRINTING OF THE FILM WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AND

WILL BE A REAL SERVICE.

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

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Instructed Hang

203

December 22. 1942.

Dear Mr. Swapes

It was very good of you to send me a
telegram of congratulation on the Bend campaign

record. Thank you for your friendly message.
with the season's greetings, and all good
wishes for the coming year,
Sincerely,

(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Mr. Merbers Bayard Swaps,
896 Park Avenue,
New York, New York.

GEF/dbs

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204

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613PM.

205

December 22, 1942

Dear Mr. Kaufmann:

I am glad to know that your fellow Philadelphians
are honoring you on January 16th for your services
in the War Savings campaign.

We at the Treasury know of the outstanding
War Bond advertising that appeared in the Philadelphia
newspapers December 7th, and we are most grateful to

you who originated the plan and to the Merchants
Association which sponsored it.

Your energy and resourcefulness have been an

example to merchants all over the country, and I feel
that you have been of real service in helping to
finance the war.

Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthan. Jr.

Mr. Arthur C. Kaufmann,
President,
Gimbel Brothers,
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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CONFIDENTIAL

206
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS - SERIES E

Comparison of December sales to date with sales during the
same number of business days in November and October, 1942

(At issue price in thousands of dollars)

December

November

$ 4,116

$ 4,116

$ 5,164

4,489
10,042
39,690
16,648

8,605
18,647
58,337
74,984

9,272
20,460
31,309
53,076

46,424
11,887
17,857
13,607
38,664
17,480

121,408
133,295
151,152
164,759
203,423
220,903

62,326

52,056
15,530
22,764
24,848
25,260
17,907
45,716

1
2

3
5

7
8

11

12

14
15
16
17

18
19

21

-

9

10

-

:

December 1942

4

October

:

: sales

:

Date

Cumulative sales by business days
:

: December
daily

December as

:percent of November

79.7%

92.8

$ 5,045

91.1

42,285
52,984

186.3
141.3

161,929
181,120

73,919
98,490
117,077
131,593
169,859
179,232

194.8
138.3
136.2
112.5
125.6
122.0

272,959
288,488
311,252
336,100
361,359
379,266

188,497
230,083
241,624
262,274
287,409
314,568

194,811
222,243
239,891
254,201
290,282
312,386

144.8
125.4

424,982

327,418

327,928

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury,
Division of Research and Statistics.

96,366
111,002
146,494

128.8
128.1
125.7
120.6
129.8

December 22, 1942.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account have been

of proceeds of sales of United States savings bonds. These figures with the
adjusted on the basis of wire reports and therefore will not agree
Treasurer's accounts.

Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add
to totals.

207

UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS - SERIES F AND G COMBINED

Comparison of December sales to date with sales during the
same number of business days in November and October, 1942

(At issue price in thousands of dollars)

:
:

1
7
8
9

14
15

16
17

18
19

21

December as

:percent of November

1942
197

$

$

197

$

303

65.0%

47.3
41.0
116.6

329

527

2,688
13,947
12,303

3,214
17,161
29,464

1,115
7,846
14,720
31,425

17,522
2,872
9.576
5,651
14,274
7,135

46,986
49,858
59,434
65,085
79,359
86,495

34,030
43,940
49,326
58,842
64,157
71,352

31,922
46,695
55.998
59.711
74,275
76,430

123.7
121.2

15,430
7,719
5,146
11,654
6,466
7,992

101,924
109,644
114,789
126,443
132,909
140,901

73,989
83,246
88,888
97,154
104,487
113,191

83,857
91,884
98,457
101,252
110,052
115,757

137.8
131.7
129.1
130.1
127.2
124.5

13,451

154,352

116,880

124,610

132.1

2

3

12

October

!fice of the Secretary of the Treasury,
Division of Research and Statistics.

-

11

November

-

10

:

5

December

:

4

:

cember

:

sales

Cumulative sales by business days
:

daily

:
:

Date

:

: December

$ 2,218
20,322
24,325

93.8
138.1

113.5
120.5

110.6

December 22, 1942.

ource: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account have

of proceeds of sales of United States savings bonds. These figures the been
adjusted on the basis of wire reports and therefore will not agree with
Treasurer's accounts.

Note: Figures have been rounded to near eat thousand and will not necessarily add

to totals.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

December 22, 1942

Secretary Morgenthau
Randolph Paul

No luck with Grossman. The original attached

letter is sent to you because of the personal
references in the second paragraph.

for

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LAW OFFICES OF

GROSSMAN AND GROSSMAN
17th FLOOR THE NBC BUILDING
CLEVELAND

December 17, 1942.

Huntington Cairns,
Assistant General Counsel,

Treasury Department,
Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Cairns:

This will confirm my long distance

telephone conversation with you, which was prompted

by your letter of December 16. As stated, I am not
interested in a job as such for the reasons which I
explained to you. If however, I can at any time
make a contribution to the war effort through the
Treasury Department, I am entirely at your disposal.
I have something of a sense of a
personal relationship with the Treasury Department
because Henry Morgenthau, III, was employed for
some time by the Cleveland Metropolitan Housing
Authority of which I am Chairman, and in consequence

I had occasional contact with his distinguished father.
I greatly appreciate your thought of me.
Very Enly your
MJG:MR

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December 22, 1942

Dear Mr. Davis:

Beginning January 1st Mr. Charles Sehwars,

our Director of Public Relations, will be

responsible for clearance of speeches with

your office, through Mr. Floming. I shall
appreciate your telling Mr. Fleming that

Mr. Schwars will clear Treasury speeches with

him and will also handle the clearance in this
Department of speeches from other Government

agencies which bear on the Treasury's problems.

If certain speeches on policy matters
should produce important differences of opinion
between departments, Assistant Secretary
Berbert E. Gaston will be available for the
Treasury and will, I know, be glad to help
in any way he can.

Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr

Mr. Elmer Davis,

Director, Office of War Information,

Washington, D. C.

FK/egk

Copies in Diary

Copies to Schwarz and
Thompson,

By Messenger

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December 22, 1942.

Mr. Charles Schwarz
Secretary Morgenthau

Beginning January 1st I should like you to be
responsible for the clearance of speeches with the
O.W.I. Treasury speeches will come to you from
Mr. Gaston, who will approve them for policy, and
you should then clear them with Mr. Fleming of the

O.W.I. I have written Elmer Davis to tell him that
other Government speeches requiring our clearance

shall be sent to you, for you to circulate with the

appropriate people in the Treasury.

FK:eg

/s/ AMJ

Copy in Diary
Copy to Thompson

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
PROCUREMENT DIVISION
OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR

WASHINGTON

December 22, 1942
MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:

There is submitted herewith the operating
report of Lend-Lease purchases for the week ended
December 19, 1942.

There has been a decline in the dollar

volume of lend-lease requisitions cleared to this

Office for purchase, due primarily to lack of
available shipping and adequate stores for a sub-

stantial part of the immediate needs.
The preliminary budget estimates for the

balance of this fiscal year (from January 1, 1943,
on) indicate an anticipated increased volume of
proposed requirements.

Lifton E. Mack

Director of Procurement

VICTORY
BUY

Note: Figures in parentheses are those shown on report of December 12, 1942
foreign governments.

port area for which actual receipts have not been received from the

tonnage that is either in storage, "in-transit" storage, or in the

*Deliveries to foreign governments at U. S. Ports do not include the
(5.9)

$ 6.4

(21.5)
$ 21.9
(24.8)
$ 25.2

(25.8)
$ 26.6
(582.2)
$559.4

Undistributed

Miscellaneous &

(20.3)

-

(3.1)

(778.4)
$ 787.7

(646.3)

(1060.9)

$666.9

(1772.8)

$1074.2

$1807.3

Obligations

(41.0)

(687.5)

$41.0

(1123.5)

for Purchase

$703.6

(1876.8)

$1135.7

$1905.5

Requisitions Cleared

(41.0)

(763.5)
$778.6

(1149.8)
$1173.8

(1980.1)

tions (Requisitions)

(58.3)

(826.2)

(1251.4)

(2721.8)

$58.3

$842.1

$1258.4

$2721.9

China

Russia

(41.0)

$3.3

$41.0

-

-

-

$41.0

-

(3.7)
$3.7
Expenses

Administrative

(136.3)
$137.7

(615.9)
$ 623.3

$20.3

-

U.K.

$2020.0

Total

(In Millions of Dollars)

AS OF DECEMBER 19, 1942
DELIVERIES TO FOREIGN GOVERNIENTS AT U. S. PORTS
STATEMENT OF ALLOCATIONS, OBLIGATIONS (PURCHASES) AND
TREASURY DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT DIVISION
LEND-LEASE

Ports#

Governments at U. S.

Deliveries to Foreign
(Purchases)

Purchase Authorize-

Allocations

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DEC 2 2 1942

Centions

No M In Sentent
Reference is made to your letter of December 15, 1942,
relative to the arrangement for the purpose of supplying the
Republic of China with U.S. dollar exchange as outlined is

your
letter of July 14, 1937, as a to the Central Bank
of China.
You are hereby authorised and requested as fiscal agent

of the United States to send the following eable to the

Central Beak of Chinas

wwith reference to your eable No. 32 requesting
a further extension of the asseggment between as for
purpose of supplying Republic of China with dollar
exchange the Secretary of the Treasury has authorised

us as fiscal agent of the United States to modify
further paragraph 6 of our letter of July 14, 1937 as

modified by deleting December 31, 1948' sharever such
words and Signee appear in such paragraph as modified

and insuring in lieu thereof JJune 30, 1943'. Please
confire your agreement to such andification of the
arrangement."

Very truly yours,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Injury
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, New York.

Photo file in Diary
File to Thompson

12/17/42

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK
FISCAL AGENT OF THE UNITED STATES

December 15, 1942.

:

Sir

Attention: Mr. E. M. Bernstein
We are pleased to enclose a copy of a cable

received today from the Central Bank of China request-

ing an extension, for six months, of the arrangement for
the purpose of supplying the Republic of China with dol-

lar exchange as outlined in our letter of July 14, 1937,
as amended.

Please advise us of your wishes regarding the

request of the Central Bank of China for a further renewal
of the arrangement.

Very truly yours,

H L. Sanford
Manager, Foreign Department.
The Honorable,

The Secretary of the Treasury,

Washington, D. C.
Enc.

COPY
INCOMING CABLEGRAM

December 15, 1942

Chungking, December 15, 1942.

Federal Reserve Bank of New York
New York

No. 31

Referring to 1937 agreement between you and us we wish

to extend for further 6 months Please consult Treasury and advise.
Central Bank of China

December 22, 1942

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HIGH-LIGHTS OF THE WAR NEWS

(10:00 A. M.)

Russia

Red Armies on the central Don front swept forward 15 miles
toward Rostov on the retreating Nazis who abandoned much
of their equipment.
India

1. British continued to advance unopposed in Burma and
occupied Alethang-Yow, - 11 miles south of Maungdaw

and 45 miles from the strategic port of Akyab.
2. Japs attacked Calcutta for the second time in 36 hours
doing only slight damage.
3. U. S. planes attacked Lashio, terminus of the Burma
Road.

The Pacific Area

1. Using tanks and planes, Allies captured one of two
small Jap air strips in the Buna section of New Guinea.
2. Heaviest fighting now centers in Cape Endaiadere section, about 2 miles from Buna mission.
3. Allies also are closing in from all sides on Japs on
Sanananda,

4.

Japs have been using aerial bombs unsuccessfully in
combats with flying fortresses, Air Force Headquarters
disclosed.

North Africa

1. Rommel continues his retreat at an average rate of 15
miles a day. The vanguard is reported at Misurata,
120 miles from Tripoli. Montgomery's forces in pur-

suit were believed to be on the outskirts of Sirte,

more than 170 miles west of E1 Agheila.

2. Rainy weather has confined the Allies for the most part

in Tunisia to air activity.

3.

However, the French column which took Pichon is now

near Kirouan, only 32 miles from the Axis-held port of
Sousse, Tunisia. Seventy-five miles to the south, a

second French column, advancing from Gafsa, is reported

within striking distance of Sfax on the Tunisian coast.

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4.

Reports from London yesterday indicated that the Axis

is moving forces from their station at Tripoli, diver-

ting men and materials even from the Russian front, and

concentrating a huge convoy in French Mediterranean

5.

ports in order to make an all-out stand in Tunisia.
Having an all-out fight in Tunisia seems to be the plan
of both Allies and Axis. General Eisenhower has evolved
the strategy, Allied Headquarters revealed, of chasing
the Afrika Corps into Tunisia where the British Eighth
Army close on its heels could unite with Allied forces
already in Tunisia for a grand assault on the Axis.

R. A. F.

R.A.F. planes swarmed over Germany again last night

leaving huge fires burning in Munich.

China

American bombers smashed the Jap base of Tengchung in the

southern Yunnan province, encountering little resistence.

11:00 A. M.

Commandos from British First Army have attacked Tunisia

from the sea last week and penetrated to within 5 miles of
Bizerte, Reuters reported today.

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December 22, 1942
AFTERNOON SUMMARY OF WAR NEWS

The Pacific Area (Navy Noon Communique)

1. Army flying fortresses carried out 3 raids on Jap
bases in the Solomons. In one raid on Jap shipping on
Bougainville Island in Buin area, one Jap cargo vessel was struck and thought to be sinking. The other
2 attacks were directed against the Jap air base at

Munda on New Georgia Island, about 150 miles northwest
of Guadalcanal.

2.

U. S. bombers and fighters heavily attacked shore in-

stallations on Kiska Island in the Aleutians, causing

explosions near a submarine base, All U. S. planes

returned.

Tunisia (General Report)

Little important land action has taken place in last 10
days. Allies are holding Germans in check at a series of
strong points while reinforcements and supplies are being
brought up. to assure the success of an offensive once it
is launched. Air battles over Tunisia have taken a sudden
turn in favor of the Allies. U. S. planes have dropped
1,000,000 pounds of bombs on Axis targets within a seven-

day period and British Beaufort night fighters have almost
driven Axis night bombers from the skies. Result--while
Axis bases are receiving a terrific pounding, major Allied
supply bases are able to function with little disturbance.
China

Premier of Manchukuo General Chang Ching-Hui, Chinese Quisling, was reported by Chinese High Command today to have

poisoned all members of his family, shot and killed a
Japanese advisor and five high-ranking officials of this

puppet government, and then committed suicide because he

was "unable to stand any longer the Japanese oppression",
the Chinese High Command reported today.

England

Scattered German planes, taking advantage of low clouds,

carried out nuisance raids against England today.
Axis

The Germans are constructing new defense works on the

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Belgian North Sea coast in anticipation of an Allied invasion of the continent, according to reports received by
the Belgian Government in London today.

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NOT TO BE RE-TRANSMITTED
COPY NO.

13

BRITISH MOST SECRET
U.S. SECRET

OPTEL No. 441

Information received up to 7 A.M., 22nd December, 1942.
1. NAVAL

MEDITERRANEAN. 21st. Two ships in convoy reached MALTA.

TOULON. Now estimated that 3 large destroyers, 3 destroyers,

possibly two 6 inch cruisers and possibly 7 submarines are undamaged either afloat
or in dock.
2. MILITARY

LIBYA. On 20th our advanced troops were 7 miles west of SULTAN.

RUSSIA. On Central Front heavy fighting continues. In Middle

Don Russian thrust is now within 20 miles of important railway junction at
MILLEROVA.

3. AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 20th/21st. 514 tons of H.E. and incendiary bombs

dropped at DUISBURG. Many large fires in centre of town, dock area and near railway centre.

21st. Light and fighter bombers attacked railway and canal targets
in N. FRANCE. Four enemy aircraft crossed SUSSEX Coast, nome machine-gunning.

21st/22nd. 136 bombers (12 missing) despatched to MUNICH. Fairly

thick cloud over target but 75% of aircraft bombed estimated position of town.
LIBYA. 19th/20th. Wellingtons bombed M.T. in BEURAT EL HSUN area

and fighter bombers attacked similar targets further vest on 20th.
20th/21st. Wellingtons dropped 121 tons of bombs on TUNIS and
LA GOULETTE with good effect.

INDIA. 20th. 16 Blenheims successfully bombed MAGWE airfield.
20th/21st. 9 enemy aircraft attacked CALCUTTA area causing slight
damage.

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December 23, 1942
9:53 a.m.

HMJr:

Henry, this is my story. Ed Stettinius came
over to see me yesterday about this whole
question of - of balances of the United
Kingdom, you know?

Vice President Wallace: Oh, yes.
HMJr:

And what would we do, and so I said I thought
the thing to áo was for you and Mr. Hull and
Stettinius and Harry White and I to get together.

W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

All right.
Now we got - oh yeah, and Dean Acheson.
Good.

So I spoke to Dean yesterday. I only got
this message late last night, that Mr. Hull
will be very glad to come with the rest of us
and call on you this morning.

W:

Well, that's fine.

HMJr:

Between eleven and twelve.

W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:

That'11 be swell. It's - I think it's an -

I think it's the best answer.
And so we'll do it at that level.
I think that's the best way to handle it really.
Now is - are you available between eleven and
twelve?

W:

Yes,
I'd like to be through by twelve if I
could.

HMJr:

Well, why not - let's set it for eleven o'clock.
We'll set it for eleven o'clock then.

W:

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-2-

HMJr:

W:

HMJr:

W:

Well, , now if you don't hear from me again,

I'll call Mr. Hull right away
Fine.

and arrange that we go up there - be at,

I take it - at the Capitol? Hello?

That'd be - that'11 be good, and make it in
the Capitol office.

HMJr:

Is - at - at the Capitol office.

W:

That's fine.

HMJr:

Okay, Henry.

W:

So it'11 be.

HMJr:

Thank you.

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December 23, 1942.

Conference in Vice President's Office
December 23, 1942
11:00 A.M.

Present: Vice President
Secretary Hull
Secretary Morgenthau

Mr. Stettinius

Mr. Dean Acheson
Mr. White

The conference was an outgrowth of a request by Mr. Stettinius
that Secretary Morgenthau and Secretary Hull and himself confer to
decide the question of further lend-lease aid to South Africa and

also discuss the British dollar position and related matters.

Secretary Morgenthau said that Vice President Wallace ought to
be in on the meeting and suggested the meeting be held in Vice

President Wallace's office. It had been left that Dean Acheson

would get the meeting together but Dean Acheson telephoned Mr. White
Tuesday evening stating that Secretary Hull had been unable to reach
Secretary Morgenthau and Secretary Hull had asked him (Acheson) to

inform Mr. White that Secretary Hull would be glad to participate in
the meeting wherever it was held but did not feel that he should ask
Vice President Wallace to a meeting in his (Hull's) office.
The next morning Secretary Morgenthau telephoned Mr. Wallace
and arranged the conference.

Mr. Stettinius opened the meeting by stating that he had to
appear before Congress in a couple of weeks for additional appropriations and he felt a decision had to be made before that meeting
as to whether or not to permit the United Kingdom's dollar balances
to increase since, he said, they had now reached almost $1 billion.
He also said that a definite policy had to be determined with respect
to lend-lease aid to South Africa. South Africa had already got

$45 million in lend-lease aid and he felt that possibly they should
not get any more. In fact, he wondered what he was going to say in

justification of the $45 million they had already been given, in view
of the fact that South Africa now had $600 million and was increasing

her holdings. He stated there were political and possibly military
questions involved and a decision should be made by some one.

225

-2Mr. Stettinius said that he had been given to understand
that the British had stated that $600 million was the goal to shoot
at so far as the British dollar balances were concerned and when he
had been to London they had likewise stated $600 million was the
objective.

Mr. White remarked that was very interesting. He asked whether
the British mentioned the $600 million to Mr. Stettinius when he was
in London. Mr. Stettinius replied that they had, he had talked to

Mr. Catoe and Mr. Keynes and they had both mentioned the $600 mil-

lion figure. Mr. Stettinius stated that they had asked for $600

million when they had only $200 million and now that they have over
$600 million they ought to go back and reduce it to $600 million by
whatever measures were most feasible. He stated that it would be a

great thing if the U. K. could give lend-lease in reverse to the
United States of 100 million in sterling which the Army could spend
for its needs in England which it now finds difficult to buy on a
lend-lease in reverse basis. He thought that would make an excellent
impression on the Congressional Committees.

Secretary Hull began by saying that there is no intention on

his part to in any way interfere with any of the responsibilities

with respect to imports and exports which B.E.W. had. He said that
the Treasury had the prime responsibility for financial, monetary and

business matters and in fact, he remembered the Debt Commission appointed by the President had the Secretary of the Treasury as Head.
He said Lend-Lease had been placed in charge of lend-lease arrangements by the President, that he was concerned only where the matter

touched a question of definite foreign policy.

Mr. Wallace said that the B.E.W., having the responsibility for
exports and for purchases of materials in foreign countries, was concerned with the problem because what was done on lend-lease had a

bearing on the export situation and the dollar position and neces-

sarily would have some influence on the terms under which they bought
some of the strategic raw materials in the countries who were receiving

lend-lease aid. It was because of that fact that it seems to be one

large problem that the committee was appointed of B.E.W. technical
men who would present the facts.

Secretary Hull stated that he thought they ought to get all the

facts before them, so that they could then make a decision on the
matter. Secretary Morgenthau said he did not quite understand what
additional facts were wanted before a decision was made on the South

African question. He said that he was ready at this time to say that
from purely a financial point of view there didn't seem to be any
justification for lend-lease aid to South Africa. He said there may,

226

-3- however, be circumstances which he doesn't pretend to know about -

political questions, military questions -- which might justify continuation of aid, but so far as their financial situation was concerned, he didn't see any justification for continued assistance.

England's financial dollar position, too, seemed to him to be
reaching a point at which we might well call a halt unless there
were certain political considerations which would indicate another
procedure. He said he did not know whether this would be a wise
time to say to England or South Africa that we are going to whittle
down our assistance to them. He would not be in a position to know
what the political considerations are and Secretary Hull would be
able to answer that,
Secretary Hull repeated it seemed to him the thing to do was

to get all the facts, set them before this group, and then they
could be in a position to make a decision. Mr. Wallace replied that
was exactly what the subcommittee he appointed was supposed to do
but Dean Acheson had expressed some reservation at the meeting and

that he had told Dean Acheson he would be glad to see Hull at any

time to talk it over because if that arrangement wasn't satisfactory
he would be glad to work on any arrangement that was satisfactory.
Secretary Hull replied he didn't know about this Committee. Whereupon Mr. Acheson reminded him he had mentioned it to him yesterday.
Secretary Hull said: "Oh, that Committee. It seems to me that --

if I might say so - If I had been you, Henry, I would have just

called up Henry and Ed and have them take care of it." Mr. Wallace
then said that he had had a meeting at which Mr. White represented
the Treasury Department and Mr. Acheson represented the State
Department and he assumed they spoke for the Treasury Department and

State Department and if they didn't, they shouldn't be on the Board.

Whereupon Secretary Hull said he didn't want to comment since he

wasn't at the meeting (sic).

Mr. Wallace mentioned the letter he and others had received
with respect to the effect of lend-lease operations on some of the
exports. He said that some exporter saw an opportunity of doing
business in South Africa and was complaining and seemed to be more
or less a spokesman for a group of the exporters. The position
this exporter took was that when they sold goods to South Africa,

they had all kinds of difficulty getting priority on shipping, etc.,

but when this identical goods wanted by the identical concerns in

South Africa was handled through lend-lease, lend-lease would do
much better on priorities. As a consequence our exporters were being a

squeezed out of foreign markets. Mr. Hull thought that that was
bad thing and it needed attention. The Vice President pointed out
that was the way he felt and that is why he suggested this Committee

be formed and take up the matter.

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-4- Secretary Morgenthau then said he wanted to bring the discussion back to the point at issue which was "where do we go from
here?" He repeated his earlier statement with respect to his view

on the South African situation and added it is not clear to him

where we go from here. He asked who was going to get the military
viewpoint.

Mr. Hull said: "Well, there ought to be a Committee of these

men here; Treasury and Lend-Lease ought to get the facts and then
we can make a decision." Mr. White stated the Committee which had
been appointed by the Vice President at the B.E.W. meeting were the
men who would in any case be the ones who would get the facts. The

Vice President wanted to know why it wouldn't be alright for that
Committee to get the facts. Mr. Stettinius said he had to go before
Congress and he would like a decision on the matter. Mr. White
replied it wouldn't take very long to get a report on South Africa
and U.K. Stettinius said there were also other countries we had
to go into.
On the South African business, Stettinius said: "It was one
thing to say we shouldn't give them any more, but how about the $45
million we have already given them?" Secretary Morgenthau replied:
"Stop worrying about Stettinius and let's get on with this."
Stettinius said: "I am worrying about the Administration, not
myself." Secretary Morgenthau replied he was trying to make progress, he still didn't see why we can't make a decision here on this.
He said: "Let's take the South African question." Secretary Hull
replied: "We haven't got the facts, we don't know what the military
there will need." Stettinius interrupted: "You mean that we stop
lend-leasing military goods too?" Secretary Morgenthau said he
didn't know there was any distinction made between lend-lease goods

going for military and lend-lease goods going for civilian use. He

didn't know any one had set a policy that we would continue to send
lend-lease goods to any country irrespective of the fact that they
had enough to pay for them. Secretary Morgenthau asked Secretary

Hull if he knew of any such policy. Secretary Hull said: "No, I

never knew of such policy." Stettinius replied that there were substantial amounts going, including trucks, searchlights. Secretary

Morgenthau then stated that it was his understanding that there and was

no distinction drawn between goods to be used by the civilians
by the military authorities under lend-lease arrangements.

Secretary Morgenthau then again returned to the main question
saying that a decision would have to be made. "Somebody's got to
make the decision" he said, "as to whether or not we should continue
to send goods to South Africa on lend-lease. Secretary Hull suggested

228

-that Lend-Lease and the Treasury get together and submit the facts
upon which they could make a decision. Mr. Wallace suggested that
was what the committee he had appointed previously was supposed to
do. Secretary Hull thought that the Committee did not need to be
as broad as the one that was appointed.

It was finally decided that Stettinius, Acheson, White and
Coe should prepare a report with recommendations to be submitted
to the same group on the following Wednesday. It was agreed that
Mr. Wallace would get in touch with Secretary Stimson and ask him
to have either Mr. Patterson or Mr. McCloy join the group to make

the study. It was also agreed that Mr. White should act as

Chairman of that committee.

The meeting adjourned about 12:15, scheduled to meet the
following Wednesday at the Vice-President's office at 11:00.

H. D. White

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DEC 2 3 1942

Dear Mr. Stettimines

Enclosed is a copy of the amorandum on the Foreign
Exchange Position of South Africa, prepared in pursuance of
Mr. Eakur's request.

I regret the delay, a large part of which as you may
appreciate, has been due to the inadequacy of the date at
hand. A careful study of the document will reveal that we
had to rely almost entirely on published data.

It is my understanding that the meat of the was given to Mr. Eaker over the telephone some time ago.

I have discussed the South African situation with him
several times during the past few months and have indicated
that land-lease assistance to the Union of South Africa,
in view of her large and growing gold resources, seemed
to be unjustified.
Sincerely yours,

(Signed) H.D. White
H. D. White,

Assistant to the Secretary.

Mr. E. R. Stattinius, Jr.,

Administrator,
Office of Land-Leave Administration,
515 22nd Street, N.W.,

Washington, D. C.
Enclosure

TMK-ef 12/23/42

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STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
U.S. Treasury Department
Division of Monetary Research
FOREIGN EXCH NGE POSITION OF SOUTH /.FRIC.
Summary

1. ..t the outbreak of war in September 1939, South .frier reported
holding 2,222 million of gold. Bo do not know the prociso amount of other

foreign exchange assets hold by South /frica at that time but from the

information evailable it appears they totalled less than 50 million.
2. By October 30, 1942, South 'frien's reported gold holdings had

risen to $582 million, or by 5360 million since the outbreak of war. This
is the Is rgest known increase for any country outside the United States.

The increase in gold reserves is believed to represent the entire increment in South - frice's holdings of foreign exchange assets during this

period; holdings of sterling end dollar balances and of other foreign exchange assets have admittedly been kept ct C minimum necessary to carry

on business and re believed to be no larger in rggregate than they were
three years ago.

3. In addition to the 8360 million increase in reported gold holdings,
South frica hr s repotristed $162 million of U.K.-held South ;fricen Government securities and C reputedly substential but unknown amount of British-

held South .fricen gold rining stock. The sun of these two itens is rdmitted by South .frior.n officials to be C. mensure of the inprovenent which

has taken place in South ..frice's international financial position since the
outbreck of Mr.

Prepared by T.M. Kistler

December 20, 1942

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STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
U.S. Treasury Department
Division of Monetary Research
FOREIGN EXCH, NGE POSITION OF SOUTH AFRIC.
Summary

1. ..t the outbreak of war in September 1939, South .frier reported
holding 222 million of gold. No do not know the procise amount of other
foreign exchange assets hold by South Lfrica at that time but from the

information available it appears they totalled less than 50 million.
2. By October 30, 1942, South .fricn's reported gold holdings had

risen to $582 million, or by 5360 million since the outbreak of war. This
is the la rgest known increase for any country outside the United States.

The increase in gold reserves is believed to represent the entire increment in South . frica's holdings of foreign exchange rssets during this
period; holdings of sterling and dollar briances and of other foreign exchange assets have admittedly been kept st a minimum necessary to carry

on business and re believed to be no larger in rggregate then they were
three years ago.

3. In addition to the 8360 million increase in reported gold holdings,
South fried hr.s repotric ted $162 million of U.K.-held South ;fricen Governnent securities and C reputedly substential but unknown amount of British-

held South .frican gold nining stock. The sun of these two itens is rdritted by South :frien officials to be C. mensure of the inprovement which
has taker place in South ...Fricc's international financial position since the
outbreck of war.

Prepared by T. : Kistler

December 20, 1942

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-24. South .frica is the one Allied country in a position to do so,
which so for ns ve know, hr s not extended lonns or grented gifts to Grert

Britain as : means of financing that country's oversens deficit. Instead,
the records show that South Africa's contribution has been limited to

Britain's capacity to pay or her willingness to resell U.K.-held South

frican securities.
5. The prospects are for continued improvement in South frice's
balance of payments position. On the one hand, sharply curtailed ner-

chandise imports, resulting from the tight shipping and supply situation,
lend-lense assistance from the United States, and reduced interest and
dividend payments following the security repotriation operations decrerse

South ..frice's payments to foreigners. On the other hand, frvirable price
and market conditions for minerals, retals, and wool, increased recoipts
from shipping services and refugee oxpenditures, and continued gold pro-

duction at or near peck levels operete to increrso South frien's receipts
from foreigners end/or her holdings of foreign exchange assets.
6. for oxpendituros for the South ..fricen Government have been unusurlly

low. It not only spent for less per enpits for war purposes during the
fiscal year 1941-42 then did the governments of the United Kingdom, Crnode

or the United States, but it budgeted a snaller increase for the current

fiscal year then either of the other three countries. The South .frican
Government expects t. spend $320 rdlin for ver purposes in the current

fiscal year, or $30 per capita. Even if releience is made for the extremely
low standard of living and ironne of four-fifths of the population, the

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-3estinated per capita virr expendi tures of the Union Government during the

current fiscal year fall far short of the forecast per capits disbursements
of Canada, the United Kingdom or the United States.

7. The Envornble financial position and prospects of South Africa
raise important policy questions for this Government.

D. Should gold held by South Africa be treated PS part of
Britain's gold and dollar assets?
If the $360 million of gold added to South Africa's
reported reserves since September 1939 had been made evril-

able to the United Kingdom, then Eritain would have been

able to finance that much more of her gold and U.S.

dollrr needs to the present timo or else her gold and
U.S. dollar holdings would be $360 million larger then

they now are, or 1.3 billion instend of 9930 million
(excluding the 105 million of Bolgion gold). South
ifrico's retention of part of hor gold output may permit
Eritish Lapire countries CS t whole to require larger
U.S. dollar exchange holdings than if the gold more all
transforred to the United Kingdom.

b. What should our Lend-Lesse policy be toward South Africa
Land-Lease exports to South /frict did not cssume

substantirl proportions until May 1942. Since then, 40
percent of our exports to South ..frice have been on LendLunse account, all on C non-reimbursable basis, and one-

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-4half of these through September were non-nilitary
items, principally motals, manufactures and mechinery.

It is our understanding that all military supplies,
motal manufactures and steel going to South ifrice
ero now being obtained under Land-Lense. tio understand

further that the present intention is to extend LendLense assistance to cover shipments of lubrienting oils
to South /fricc. The information WO have is that the
continued extension of Lend-Ler.se assistance is contrary

to the wishes of many numbers of the South /frican
Government; that it is being done in pursuance of the
wishes of the British Government; and that it may be
being used IS E neens of obtaining otherwise unr vailable

supplies from this country needed to operate the South
African gold mines.

It is difficult to understand the justification of
sending 332 million of Lend-Lense go ds t the Union of

South / frien in view of the increasing gold reserves, the

generally fevorable interneti nr.1 finencial positi n, the
rolatively low wer expenditures and the manger war effort

of the country.

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STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

FOREIGN EXCHANGE POSITION OF SOUTH FRICA#

i. Foreign Exchange Position of South frien at the Outbreak of Jhr.
On September 1, 1939, South ..frien reported holding $222 million of
gold.

Other foreign exchange assots hold by South : frice are believed to be
smr.ll. .0 do not know what they amounted to in September 1939, but the in-

formation available indicatos that they totalled the equivalent of only
340-145 million as follows:
(In millions)

Discounted foreign bills

$

28

Reserve Bank balances hold abroad (est.)

Private balances in U.S
Oversees long-term investments (est.)
Total

3

3

5-10

$ 40-45

The figure of discounted bills is the amount reported held by the South
frican Reserve Bank on September 1, 1939. They apparently consist largely

of storling bills end constituto n second line reserve used to meet extreordinarily large demands for payments to foreigners. The Governor of the
Reserve Bank in his annurl address to the stockholders in July 1940, stated
that the bank frills back on these discounted oversoes bills "whenever ve
have to meet extre largo demands for storling, for instance then mining
dividends have to be paid."

*Propered by T. M. Kistler
Tronsury Department, Division of Monetary Research

December 20, 1942.

7.

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-2The estimate of Reserve Bank balances held abroad at the outbreak of

war is based upon figures, published in the annual reports of the Reserve
Bank, of Reserve Pank balances held with overseas central banks and of
Reserve Bank balances employed under the guarantee of the Bank of England,

as of March 31, 1939 and March 31, 1940. The balances represent the Bank's

"overseas till money". They are kept at a minimum consistent with efficient
operations.

The figure of South African private balances in the United States is the
amount of deposits reported held on October 11, 1939 by banks in the Second

Federal Reserve District for the account of South Africans. Any balances
which may have been hold at that time by banks outside the Federal Reserve

District of Now York for South /fricans are thought to have been small, No
balances wore then hold by the Federal Reserve Bank of How York for the
account of either the Government or the Reserve Bank of South , friec
The Department of Commerce estim tes that U.S of 1937, residents of

British frien held about $3 million of long-term investment in the United
States. (Reports made to the Treasury on TFR-300 forms indicate much larger

holdings; preliminary ostimatos of U.S. securities hold for South , frican
account on June 14, 1941 total $19 million. It is expected that some pert
of the large discropency between the Department-of-Country estimate and

the figures reported on TFR-300 forms represents the transfor of Pritish
and Europenn holdings of foreign assets to South fiftican accounts in order

to prevent their capture by the onemy or, perhaps, avoid their requisitioning
for sale by the British Government. Any such holdings would, of course, be

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-3considered by the /merican reporting institutions ns held for South
.fricen account, even though the ultinate benoficiarios reside outside
that country.)

South frican oversons investments outside the United States are be-

lioved to be negligible. Estinates, prepared by the South , frienn Governmont, of that country's balance of international payments for the yours
1934 - 1937 include nothing for interest and dividend receipts on South

frican investments in oversees industrial and financial ventures and only
$300 thousand to 61 million 0 year for interest on obligations of oversers
governments held by residents of that country. These figures compare to
estimated interest and dividend payments to foreigners of $90-$95 million

annually during this four year period.
B. Present Foreign Exchange Position of South /frica.
On the latest reporting date for which we have information nonely on
October 30, 1942, South ..frice's reported gold holdings totalled $582

million. That is, South .frien has increased its known gold reserve over
one and one-helf times since September 1939; this is the largest acknowledged

increase during this period, both in absolute and in relative terms, for any
country outside the United Statos.

The uniqueness of South .frica's position lies in the fact that it is
the one Allied country in a position to do so which, so for as we know, hrs
not extended loans or granted gifts to Great Britain. The incrense in gold

reserve is believed to represent practically all, if not all, of the increese in South frice's holdings of foreign exchange assets since the

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-outbrenk of vor. we know that South fricn's holdings of some c: tegories
of foreign exchange assets other then gold are larger today then they were
in September 1939, but the information at hend indicates that on balance

South ..frice's holdings of foreign exchange essets, exclusive of gold, are
roughly one-third smallor today than they were three years ago. The incrosses which heve occurred in these assets seen to have been dictated

entirely by South .frice's need for larger working balances abroad to
handle oversoas transactions under changed conditions wrought by war
developments.

South frien's holdings of foreign exchange assets other than gold are
estimated to be as. follows:
(In millions)
Reserve Brnk balance held oversens (est.)
Other balances in the U.S

9
$

6

Discounted foreign bills

5

5-10

Oversens long-term investments (est.)
Total

$25-30

Reserve Bank Dalances Hold Oversons. The estinate of Reserve Bank

balances held oversecs is based upon figures published in the annual report
of the Reserve Bank for the fiscal your ending arch 31, 1942 and upon data
received from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It is comprised of
Reserve Bank balances held with oversens central banks and of Reserve Bank
balances employed under the guarantee of the Bank of England.

The throo-fold increase in those oversons Reserve Bank balances since

the outbrork of war is accounted for primarily by the depositing of funds

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-5with the Now York Federal Reserve Bank in June 1940. The balance in this
account has fluctuated only e fow thousands of dollars from week t. week;

it has been consistently reported each work to be about 55 million. This

deposit WAS made at the tine of the shift in South frien's sources of
supplies for certain essential goods from Europe t. the United States. The
absenco of wide fluctuctions indicatos that the account is not used for
clearing purposos. It dous not soon to be used oven as "till noney" such
as is the crse of the South frican Reserve Bank balances hold in London.
The increase in these letter balances may also have been prompted by the

rise in the volune of financial and business trmsactions conducted between

South .frica and the United Kingden. ..though reported to fluctuate widely
from day to day, the balances held in London by the South frican Reserve

Bank at the end of each of the last three fiscal years show C. stendy increas, ES follows:
(In millions)

is of
March 31, 1940
1941
1942

$ 2.7
3.3
3.7

South , frican Reserve Bank balmeos hold outside the United States and
the United Kingdom do not seen to have incrussed since September 1939.

This is indicated by the figures below of South - frican Reserve Bank

balances held with oversees central banks -- i.e., South ifricon Reserve
Bank balances hold outside of London.

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-South African Reserve Bank Balances Held
With Overseas Central Banks
Held with New
York Federal
Reserve

Total

As of

Bank

Held with all
other Overseas

Central Banks -

i.e., outside

U.S. and U.K.

(In thousands)
March 31, 1940

$ 652

1941

5,684
5,576

1942

$5,032
4,994

$

652
652
582

Other Short-Term Balances Held in the United States. This item includes

all other short-term banking funds reported held in the United States for
the account of South Africa. The figure is taken from capital movements
date reported to the Treasury by the twelve Federal Reserve Banks. It is
the sum of $4.1 million of banking funds reported held for South African
account on October 31, 1942, by banks, other than the Federal Reserve Bank,

in the Second Federal Reserve District, and of $1.7 million of balances
reported held by all banks in the other oleven Federal Reserve Districts
on August 31, 1942, the latest date for which we have data.
South African short-torm balances in this country outside the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York have likewise fluctuated little during the period

for which we have date. The table below sets forth the available Treasury
capital movements data on South African short-term banking funds in the

United States, on E quarterly basis for the period October 1939 - June 1942,
and monthly June 1942 to date:

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-7South African
Reserve Bank

Deposits with

A.S of the
end of

N.Y.F.R.B.

Other South

African deposits in

South African

deposits outside N.Y.F.R.D.

N.Y.F.R.D.

(In millions)
1939, Oct. (11)
1940, Mar

0

-

June

5.0

Sept

5.0
5.0

Dec

1941, lfar

$ 3.2
4.7
5.4
3.5
1.9

2.9
3.2
6.2
3.2

Dec

5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0

1942, Mar

5.0

5.4

June

5.2

2.8

1942, June
July

5.2

Aug

5.3
5.1

5.9
3.9
5.2

Sept

5.1

4.8

Oct

4.9

4.1

June

Sept

Nov

5.1

Dec. (9)

5.2

1.0
.8

1.7

The monthly figures shown for June 30, 1942 to date are not strictly

comparable with those shown for the cerlier period. The quarterly figures,
October 1939 through June 1942, cover only deposits reported hold by banks

in the Second Federal Reserve District. The monthly series of date since
Juno 30, 1942 cover all short-torn banking funds reported held in the United

States for South frican account. Horeover, because of the vidor definition
of "foreigner" to include "all those in the United States (except other

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-8reporting institutions) to the extent that they are acting on behalf of,
for the account of, or for the benefit of, institutions or individuals
domiciled outside the United States", the figures reported for June 30,
1942 onward include some funds which were previously treated by the report-

ing insti tutions as domestic. This is borne out by the fact that $2.9
million of the $3.1 million difference between the amount reported held
for South /frican account by banks in the Second Federal Reserve District
on the old unrevised reports US of July 1, 1942 and the amount reported

so held on the revised forms CS of June 30, 1942, is in so-crilled "official"
funds. The definition of "official foreign" account WCS brondened to include funds of diplentic and consular ostablishments and all brnnches or
departments of foreign control governments, such as various Ministrics,
Stabilization Funds and other government exchenge authoritics, and all
other agents and agencies of foreign central governments, including purchosing commissions located in the United States; under the old definition
such deposits were treated CS demestic.

Prior to June 30, 1942, the Trunsury had no date of South .fricen shortterm banking funds held utside the Second Federal Reserve District. is
the above table indicates, the balances were probably of insufficient
proportions.

Discounted Foreign Bills. These consist printrily, if not enti ruly,
of British Trensury bills held by the South fricen Reserve Brnk. Reported current holdings are only C small frection of the amount held during
the early months of the war. With two or three exceptions, resociated with

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-9large scale inter-government financing operations, the Reserve Bank's
weekly reported holdings of discounted foreign bills have not passed the
$5 million mark since the summer of 1940; during the first three months

of the current year they amounted to only about $1.5 million. The most
conspicuous exception was in the late full of 1941, when holdings were

temporarily increased in connection with the large repatriation of Britishhold South /frican securities; the mechancis of this operation are described

in Section C below. In another instance, at the close of the fiscal year
1942, the Bank's holdings wore temporarily inflated by the investment in

British Treasury bills of funds transferred by United Kingdom authorities
to meet British war expenditures in the Union. This is the explenation
given, in the annual report of the Reserve Bank for the fiscal your ending
March 31, 1942, for tho increase in the Pank's holdings of discounted

foreign bills on March 31, 1942 over March 31, 1941. The effect of this
is reflected in the following reported figures of the Reserve Bank's hold-

ings of discounted foreign bills:
(In millions)
March 31, 1941
March 27, 1942
March 31, 1942

April 2, 1942

April 10, 1942
April 17, 1942

April 24, 1942
May
May

1, 1942
29, 1942

$

2.9
1.8

24.2

20.4
18.2

9.1
4.2
3.9

3.5

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-10Oversees Long-Term Investments. This is the same estimate given for
South African overseas long-term investments st the outbreck of the war.

Fe have no further information on this iten but it is believed that there
has been no significant change during the post three years. Foreign assets
of non-South /fricans may have, as we indicated above, boon transferred
to South ifrican accounts since September 1939, but any such transfers do

not involve on improvement in South Africa's international finencial position. Like Canada and other debtor countries, South Africa is expected to
have decreased its foreign indebtedness instead of increasing its oversees
long-term investments. This inpression is supported by statements nade by

officials of the central bank and government. In the annual report for the
fiscal year ending M2.rch 31, 1942, the governor of the Bank states that the
our

repotri tion operation in December 1941 had "nopped up' the bulk of

favorable balance of payments for the year and as the Union may remin in

this happy position for E. long while I hope the Government, lunicipclitics,
Public Bodies or private firms will follow up last year's example and use

local funds to rodoom South fricen liabilities oversors."
C. Rupetriction of Overseas-Hild South African Securities.
South ..frice has repetricted $162 million of U.K.-held South I frien
Government securities CS well as C. substantial but unknown amount of U.K-held

South .friern gold rining stock. The initial reduction in the Union Government's external debt VCS effected in July 1940 through the repayment of P
$32 million government issue which runtured in Lenden. Repoyment VINS rrde

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- 11 from the South /frican Reserve Bank's holdings f overseas discounted

bills. (Soo table on page 12 bolow).
The second official repetriction operation took place in December 1941.

It was the counterport of the special sale of $130 million of gold to the
United Kingdon. (Under the Energency Finance of September 9, 1939, the
Union Government, as from August 31, 1939, buys through the South /frican

Reserve Bank all the gold produced in the Union.) is the continued rise in

South . frien's gold reserves perrits a repetition of this transaction, it
nay be worthwhile to review the different steps taken, as reported by the
South frican Reserve Bank:

(a) The South fricnn Reserve Bank took over the requisi-

tioned U.K.-held securities at the price paid by the
Bank of England, in payment for the $130 million of
gold transferred to the British Government.
(b) The South /frican Treasury issued C 3% lonn in South
Africa, the proceeds of which are or marked for the
purchase from the Reserve Bank of the Union stock

acquired by it in London.
(c) AS these new securities are sold in South 1 fries, the
Treasury redeens the repstritted stock held by the
Reserve Bank. By the close of August 1942, all but
$31 million of this "ex-London" stock had been repurchased and cancelled by the Union Government.

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- 12 In the last annual report of the South African Reserve
Brnk, the following accounting is given of the December 1941
repotriction operation, ns of March 31, 1942:
(In millions)
South .frican Reserve Brnk had purchased
$125 million of U.K.-hold Union Governmont stock for

$ 130.0

Of this amount, the Trensury, by March 31,
1942, hrd retired out of proceeds from the
scle of the now internal loan and out of
interest on the non-redeemed "ex-London"
bonds, C total of

62.7.

This leaves the Roservo Prink's holdings of
"ex-Lordon" stock, I.S of March 31, 1942 at

67.3

Other stocks hold by the Reserve Bank as of
March 31, 1942 totalled

6.9

Value of investnonts of the Reserve Pank, as
shown in the ennucl statement of assets, as
of March 31, 1942

$

74.2

Both official repotriction operations have been clearly, and so far
OS we know, accurately reflected in the public statements of the Reserve
Bank's assets. This is due to the durl function performed by the Reserve

Bank - nonely, as depository of the official foreign exchange assets of
South frien and CS the Foreign Exchange Control Board.

The table below gives the Roservo Park's holdings of gold, discounted

foreign bills and investments no of various dates, solected to reveal the

role of the Reserve Zink in official repntriction operations.

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- 13 Discounted
Foreign

is of the last weekly
reporting date in:

Invest-

Bills

Gold

ments

(In millions)
1939, March
August
December

1940, March

$

221

$

30
26

11

249

32

10

272

32

10

April

279

33

May

298

33

June

302

July
August
September

305

314

October

328

November
December

351

3

3

3

436

October

422

47

November
December

400

78

6

3
7

4

450

4

7

7

114

79
43
28

4

576

2

October (23)

1

552

7

5

September

38
14

7

August
September

468

38
38

2

427

June

38

3

401

397

39

14

367

June

1942, March

7

6

308

366

7

6

3

1941, March

7

$

222

28
4

Public utterances of South /frican Government and Reserve Bank officials

reveal a strong desire in high government and financial circles to take full
advantage of the present opportunity to reduce that country's external

debt. Repatriation operations are viewed both as a step toward international financial security, and as a means of combatting the threats of

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- 14 -

inflation within the Union. The replacement of external debt by internal
issues, draws from the public money which would otherwise be available to
spend on consumption goods.

The absence of any data on the amountofnon-Government South African

securities repatriated since the outbreak of var, procludes bringing

estinates of foreign investnents in South frice up to date. Published
data available on the Union Government's external debt show that it has
been reduced from the equivalent of 0425 million on March 31, 1940 to

the equivalent of about 24.1 million two years later. So for 0.5 me know,
there has been nothing to change this figure substantially since that
latter date.
Estinates node in the Treasury at the close of 1940 placed Pritish

investments in South .fries at roughly $1.3 billion - $400 million in
government securities, $600 million in gold mines, and $325 million in

other mines and enterprises in South frica. These holdings have been reduoed by something more than 162 million by the reprtriction of overseas-

held South ..frican securities.
British investments constitute the bulk of the oversons holdings of
South i frican assets. The Department of Cornerco estinctes American direct

investments in Critish South .frice at the close of 1940 to have totalled
only 573 million, or only 5 percent of the estinated value of British investnents in the Union of South . frien alone.

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- 15 -

D. Inprovement in South .frica's International Financial Position Since
the Outbrenk of ar.
The accurulation of gold, together with the repatriction of South
.fricen securities held overseas, measure the improvement in South ..frica's

international financial position since the outbreak of war. The known
amounts of these two items total over $500 million -- $360 million increase
in reported gold holdings and a known $162 million of repatriated securities
Prior to the outbreck of war, South /frica's production and exports of
gold VS roughly sufficient to meet the net payments due from South .frice
to other countries on merchandise and service account. This is revenled

by the table below setting forth not payments or net receipts for the
principal items in South ..frica's balance of international payments for the
three years, 1935 - 1937. The figures are those given in the Leogue of

Notions balence-of-payments study for 1938, converted at the rate of
$4.90 per South frican pound.
1935

Net balance due to or from (-)
South ..frica on account of
Merchandise

1936

1937

(In millions)
$-239.6

$-292.5
-106.9

$-332.2
-104.9

- 28.1

Interest and dividends

Other services

92.6
- 26.9

Gold

+349.8

4455.2

- 35.2
406.1

Net balance due on current account

- 9.3

- 22.3

- 66.2

Long-term capital movements (net)

- 16.9

- 49.8

t 21.7

t 26.2

t 72.1

t 44.5

Residual, probably largely shortterm capital movements

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- 16 Te do not have itenized date for the years following 1937. However,
we do know that since the outbreak of ther not only has $360 million of
newly-nined South .frienn gold not been nooded to neet that country's custonary adverse balance of international payments but that there has been 0

balance due to South .frica from foreigners sufficientlyn large to permit

the repetriction of rore than $162 million of South frienn securities hold
oversees.

In his report to the stockholders of the Reserve Bank in July 1940, the
Governor stated that a small reduction in South frice's merchandise imports
combined with C somewhat higher value of South frien exports to make that
country's balance of merchandise exports in 1939 (including all the gold
produced in the Union U.S gold exports from the Union) about L41 million

($200 million at $4.90 por South / frierr pound), CS compr red to about

L26 million in 1938 ($125 million it 04.90 per South fricen pound). He
stated further that South frien's increased ability to pay for oversees
commitments, other than payments for merchandise, such as for interest and

redemptions, freight, commissions, insurence, etc., is reflected in the
Brnk's increased holdings of gold and foreign exchange. The South /fricen
Reserve Bank's gold holdings roso $29 million during the colender your of
1939 and 551 million during the fiscal your ended March 31, 1940.

It is true that South :frice's norchendisc imports more lower in value
in 1939 then in 1938, and that the value of South !frica's merchandise

exports YES higher in the latter year than in the former. (See tables

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- 17 below, pages 20,21,20). But equally important as this reduction in the excess

of nerchandise inports in accounting for the rise in South ..frice's gold
holdings, is the $23 million increase in South / frica's gold production,
1939 over 1938.

South frice's excess of commodity inports was larger in 1940 than in
either 1938 or 1939. The $122 million increase in the Reserve Bank's re-

ported gold holdings during that your indicates that South 'frice's means
of payments for these merchandise inports expended by noro then the C43

million reported rise in gold production, 1940 over 1939. The inprovenent
in South ..frice's balance of payments position may have reflected n decrease in denend for foreign exchange to pay for interest and dividends

or for other services received from foreigners, but it may also have reflected C large capital inflow; it seens reasonable to assure that the
transfer of property to South frican accounts for safekeeping reached a
peak in 1940 and that a part of these assets consisted of gold nd banking
balances.

Since 1940, 0 number of additional factors have come into play to in-

prove South Africa's balance of payments position. First, the extrenely

tight shipping situation conbined with the increasingly critical supply
problem is forcing n sharp curtailment in South frien's overseas inports.
Merchandise inports from the United States so for this year are running

less than helf C.S high as a year earlier. Because of the unusurl position
occupied by the United States in South . frien's inport trade in 1941, it

is possible that the relative decline in total South friend inports is

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- 18 not so great. However, it seens reasonable to assume that a substentirl
drop hr.s occurred.

Secondly, on increasingly larger portion of the snaller volune of U.S.

exports to South ..frica is being paid for out of lend-lesse funds. This is
true of 15 million of the $35 million of merchandise exported from the
United States to South !frica, May through September 1942. Adjusting for

this fact, United States exports to South .fries requiring payment in
dollars totalled only (20 million, May through September 1942, as compared

to about 370 million during the same period of 1941. It is reported that
all rdlitary supplies, rechinery, notal nonufactures and stool exported
from this country to South ..frice are procured under lend-lonse and that

all lubric ting oils are soon to be. If South ..frien does not make evailable to Great Britain an amount of dollars or gold equivelent in value to
lend-lease assistance received from the United States, than the effect of
such assistance is to increase South .frica's gold and foreign exchange
holdings by that amount.

Thirdly, security reprtritions reduce the amount South .frice must pay
to foreigners for interest and dividends. 1.e do not have sufficient data
to hazard n guess as to how much of a reduction hr.s been effected to date.

These three factors operate to reduce South frice's payments to

foreigners. In addition, there are n number of factors tending to increase

South : frien's receipts of foreign exchange. First, is the fevorable price
and market outlook for her ninerals, metals and rool. The Fritish GovernDunt hns contracted to buy the Union's exportable surplus of vool for the

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- 19 duration of the war and one year thereafter; at what price is not known.
Secondly, the closing of the l'editerranean has meant sharply increased

income to South Africa for use of her port facilities and from the sale of
ship stores.

Thirdly, South Africa has received foreign exchange income from expenditures of refugees finding a temporary haven within her boundaries.
We have no information as to the size of these expenditures, but they are

large enough to be the subject of official comment.
Finally, continuation of South African gold production at current

levels would increase still further South frica's ability to add to her
foreign exchange resources. So for this year, the equivalent of threefifths of South Africa's reported gold output has been added to the Reserve

Bank's holdings. Continuation of the current rate of South frican gold
production apper rs probable in the absence of any curtailment of imported
supplies.

The three tables below show the changes in the geographical distribution of South Africa's norchandise import and export trade, 1938 - 1941.

The figures are official South African trade data. The inport figures are
exclusive of government stores and gold specie. Imports of the latter

were relatively small during prowar years imports of the forner totalled
S168.6 million in 1940 (834 million ct $4.00 per South /frican pound) and

S16.9 million in 1939, the last two yours for which published data are
available.

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- 20 Merchandise Imports of South Africa, Exclusive of
Government Stores end Gold Specie,

by Principal Geographic Areas,
1938 1941
1938

1939

(Millions
United Kingdom
Canada & Newfoundland

1940
of

S.A.

1941

Ls)

37.2
3.0
5.8

34.7

34.6

3.6
7.2

8.5

6.7

10.7

13.7

46.0

45.5

53.8

50.1

United States

16.5

Other non-British Empiro

23.6

17.3
22.6

23.6
19.1

38.4
12.4

40.1

39.9

42.7

50.8

86.1

85.4

96.5

100.9

Other British Empl ru

Total, British Enpire

Total, non-British Enpiro

Total - all countries

29.7

The principal shifts in South Africa's sourcus of supply, 1941 CS conpared to 1938, were between the various nombers of the British Empire, on
the one hand, and botwoon the verious countries outside the Empire, on

the other. The proportion of total inports supplied by oach of these two

groups of countries hrs varied little since the outbreak of war. is was
to be expected, the United Kingdom lost both relatively and absolutely,
while the United States surged ahead as a principal supplier of South

/frican imports. ..S indicated above, the rise of South frican imports is
expected to be reversed this your.
The increase in South ..frica's exports has also occurred in shipments

to the United States and to British Enpire countries other then the United
Kingdom and Cannda. The figures below do not include receipts from wool

or from exports of gold bullion. Tool exports totalled S16.2 million

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- 21 in 1939, the last year for which date were published; receipts from nool
are believed to have been higher during the more recent years.
Norchandise Exports of South Mfricn, Exclusive of
Gold Duillion and Tool,
by Principal Geographic Lrons,
1938 1941
1938

1939

1940

1941

(Hillions of S.M. Ls)
United Kingdom
Canada C Nowfoundlend

9.7

11.3

13.8

9.4

.4

.7

.3

.2

Other British Empira

2.1

2.7

4.5

7.4

12.2

14.7

18.6

17.0

Total, British Empire
United States

Other non-British Empire

Total, non-Pritish Enpire.

Total - rll countries

.7

1.3

3.0

5.4

6.3

6.5

4.7

2.8

7.0

7.8

7.7

8.2

19.2

22.5

26.3

25.2

The increase in South ..fricn's excess of inports, 1941 over 1938, is
more than accounted for by the rise in her unfavorable balance of nur-

chandiso trodo with the United States. The shorp fill in United St tes OXports to South .frien so for this your combined with the extension of lendloose assistance to cover port of the anclior volune being shipped, hrs
already diped out the increase in South ...frice's perchandise import surplus
vis-c-vis the United States, 1941 compared to 1940.

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- 22 South frica's Excess of Merchandise Imports
by Principal Geographic Areas,
1938 1941
1938

1939

1940

1941

(Millions of S./. Is)
United Kingdon
Consdr & Nowfoundlend

27.5
2.6

23.4

20.8

20.3

2.9

3.7

4.5

8.2
6.2

6.3

33.8

30.8

35.2

33 .1

15.8
17.3

16.0
16.1

20.6
14.4

33.0
9.6

Total, non-British Enpiro. 33.1

32.1

35.0

42.6

62.9

70.2

75.7

Other British Enpire

Total, British Enpire
United States

Other non-British Enpiro

Total - all countries

66.9

6.5

These cro the latest South .frican trade date available. U.S. trade
figures indicato that United States inports fren South .frien have continuad to expand. However, 0.8 revocled by the table below, the greeter part
of the increese recorded so for this year represents goods shipped to this

country for bonded warehouse. They consist largely, if not entirely, of
British-owned South , frican wol being stored in this country under greenont with the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. To this extent, figures
of United States inports from South . frica do not accurately reflect dollar

receipts of that country.

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- 23 United States Merchandise Trade with the
Union of South Africa,
1938 1942

U.S. Exports to
South Africa

U.S. General
Imports From
South Africa

U.S. Excess

U.S. Imports
for Consump-

of Exports
or Imports

tion from

(-)

S.A.

(In millions)

$ 70.0

$ 15.9

& 54.1

$ 15.9

28.7
47.3
66.2

40.4
56.5

27.8
46.0

1941

69.1
103.8
186.9

120.7

60.7

1941,Jan-Sept
1942,Jan-Sept

124.6
54.9

39.9

84.7

75.8

-20.9

1938
1939

1940

24.7*
36.6#

* January through July. General imports from South Africa totalled $66
million, January through July 1942, and $28 million during the same period
of 1941.

Less than $500 thousand of lend-lease goods were exported to South

Africa in 1941 and only 0874 thousand during the first four months of 1942.
Lend-Lease exports to South Africa have assumed significant proportions

only since May of this year. Since then, however, they have accounted for

over two-fifths of our exports to that country; they averaged 93 million
& month, May through September, as compared to 4 million of exports monthly
on cormercial account. Lend-Lease shipments to South Africa in October are

reported to be $15 million, or roughly as much as all lend-lease exports

to that country up to then.
Of the $32 million of lend-lease goods exported to South Africa through
October 1942, $20 million were military items and $12 million were non-

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- 24 military goods, principally metals and manufactures and machinery and
parts.

Motor vehicles and parts, iron and steel, aircraft and aircraft parts,
machinery, textile manufactures and petroleum products account for two-

thirds of the total value of U.S. goods exported to South ifrica in 1941.
The table below gives the principel categories for the years 1940 and 1941.
1940

1941

(In millions)
Motor vehicles and parts
Iron and steel
Airplanes and parts
Exchinery and equipment

Cotton and reyon textiles
Petroleur and petroleum products

Total U.S. exports to S.

$25.8

$16.9
19.4

8.6

28.7
16.0
25.3
23.8

6.3

5.5

$103.7

$186.9

4.1

15.5

Dianonis, wool, furs, strategic netals, and hides and skins dominate

our inport trade with the Union of South /frics. They account for all but
a small portion of our total purchases from that country. This is revenled
by the table below, which gives U.S. figures of imports for consumption from
South Africa by principal categories of commodities, for the three years,
1939, 1940, and 1941.
1939

1940

1941

(In millions)
Dismonds
Wool

Furs

Ores, notals and alloys
Hides and skins

Total U.S. inports from S.

$23.7
11.5
11.3

$15.1

$20.9

2.3

7.5

2.8
4.3

7.8

1.4

1.9

6.1
4.0

$27.8

$46.0

60.7

5.6

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- 25 -

E. Fiscal Position of the Government of South ifrica.

In spite of South /frica's extremely favorable international financial
position and in spite of the cdventageous geographic location, the exponditures of the Union Government have been kept at on unusually low level.
Furthermore, expenditures for other then war purposes account for an ex-

coptionally large proportion of the relatively small Government disbursemonts -- 43 ,ercent during the current fiscal year as conjared to less then
10 percent in the case of the United States and 15 percent in the case of
Crnrda and the United Kingdon.

The Union Government spent for less por capita for ECT purpose during

the fiscal your 1941-42 thrn did the Government of either the United Kingdon,

Crnrds or the United States. It also budgeted for C. sweller increrse for
the current fiscal your then did the Governments of these three countries.
The South fricen Government's estincted oxpenditures on NOT account,

April 1942 - March 1943, total the equivalent of $320 million, or only 30

or capita.
This is only 0 fraction of the per critin war expenditures of the other
three governments. Even if allowence is rede for the extrenely low standards
of living and income of the non-Europenns, who comprise four-fifths of the

opulation of the Union, and per or ,it war expenditures are calculated on
the basis of 2 million Europeans, the figure is only $160. is shown by
the table on page 26 below, this is less then one-third as much ns the projected ,or capits war expenditures of the United States Government for the

current fiscrl year, less then one-half CS much ns the British-expected

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- 26 per espita war expenditures, and only C little more than one-half I.S much
as Cr.neds expects to spend for war account during the current fiscal year

on , per capita basis.
Expenditures and Receipts of Union Government

of South Africa
1939-40

1940-41

1941-42

1942-43

(prol.)

(est.)

(Millions of U.S. $, Converted ct Rate

of 1 S. L # 34)

Expenditures
Defense

Other
Total

19

240

288

320

270

240

216

239

289

480

504

559

12

82

115

160

173

175

180

193

185

257

295

353

158

173

160

93

65

36

100

223

209

206

182

257

318

353

45

32

32

34
66

178

177

174

Expenditures from Revenue
Account
Defense
Other

Total

Expenditures from Loan
Account
Defense
Other

Total

7

Revenue charged to Revenue
Account

Sources to finance exponditures on lor.n account, sundry

capital receipts, etc
Borrowing

46

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- 27 Expenditures of the Governments of Union of South frien,
Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States;
(Prelininary figures for 1941-42 and

estinates for 1942-43 in millions of U.S. dollars)
linr

Expenditures

Other

Expenditures

Total

Expenditures in Absolute Figures

Union of South .frice
1941-42
1942-43

217

S 505

320

239

559

2,162
2,997

489
513

2,651
3,510

16,483
18,150

2,788
3,172

19,271
21,330

25,953
78,000

6,538
7,183

32,491
85,183

288

3

Canedr

1941-42
1942-43

United Kingdon
1941-42
1942-43

United States
1941-42
1942-43

B. Expenditures on : Per Capita Basis

Union of South frien (10.5 million)
1941-42
1942-43

21

48

23

53

197

44

241

272

47

319

61

419

69

464

27

30

Canada (11 million)
1941-42
1942-43

United Kingdon (46 million)
1941-42
1942-43

358
395

United States (132 million)
1941-42
1942-43

197
591

49
54

246
645

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- 28 The public debt of the Union Government of South .frien increased by

roughly one-third during the first three years of wer. The proportion of
the debt held overser. hr.n been reduced from roughly one-third CS of
March 31, 1939 to about one-sixth on March 31, 1942.
Gross Debt of the Union Government

of South /frice

..s of
March 31

Externel

Internal

Debt

Debt

Total

(Millions of U.S. S at $4 per S.A. b)
1939

404

711

1,115

1,165
1,345
1,500

1940

425

740

1941

393

752

1942

244

1,256

per capita

The/public debt of the Union of South frien at the close of the last
fiscal year LOS less then one-fourth ns high LS that of either the United
States or Canada and about one-eighth ns large CS that of the United Kingdon.

The relatively sneller deficit to be financed out of borrowing during the
current fiscal year will ticke the discrepancy in the per capita debt
figures even greater. In fact the discrepancy is expected to be so large

that even if the South .fricen population is taken at 2 willion -- the
Luropern constituent, the per espita debt burden of the Union Government is
than

about 160 less/that of the Federal Government of the United States.

F. South ..fricc's Mar Effort.
The relatively low level of government expenditures or VAT account,
the continuence of gold production at peak levels, and the absence of any

evidence of 0 reversel in policy established by the British and South fricen

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- 29 Governments ct the outbreck of vor, that newly-nined South .fricen gold

constitutes a primary sinew of wer, all suggest that South . frice's war

effort fells considerably short of the possible maximum. This situation

exists in spite of the strategic importance of that country is on intermedia te source of supply to the Allied armies in North .frice and the Far
Erst.

.. study mode by the Board of Economic Terfare Mission to South .frice

reveals that there is considerable room for diversion of men and materials

from the production of gold to more essential war activities, such CS the
production of circro ft bonbs, communition, arnored cars, explosives, tex-

tiles, boots and various base metals.

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December 23, 1942
12:28 p.m.
HMJr:

Mrs. Morgenthau had a long talk with Bacher this
morning.

Harold
Graves:

Yes.

HMJr:

He sought the interview. She did n't. Pending
my hearing the story from her, see

G:

Yes.

HMJr:

I want everything held in abeyance. I don't
want
to sign up with Bill Murray or anything,
see?

G:

HMJr:

A11 right.

And I also want to go - aside from everything
else, I have another angle and that's the question of do we want to spend $5,000 a week for a

program?
G:

HMJr:

Yes, sir.
So you call up Odegard in New York and don't
make - tell him not to make any commitments
because I may want to discontinue the whole damn
thing.

G:

Yes, sir, I'll do it.

HMJr:

And also I - I just don't know, so he shouldn't
make any commitments that I can't get out of.

G:

HMJr:

Yes, sir, I'll see that he understands.
And if you don't mind, if you would just type
out a little something and send it in to Mrs.
Klotz to give me, just what the cost of these
programs are.

G:

Yes, I have verified the figures that - I gave
you the figures last night and they turned out
to be about right.

HMJr:

Well, that's all right.

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-2Q:

And I'm going to get a memorandum -- it's on its
way now.

HMJr:
G:

HMJr:
G:

HMJr:

G:

HMJr:
G:

Well, give it
It gives the complete story, and I'11 send it to
Mrs. Klotz.

I'm leaving at sharp two.
Yes, sir.
But, in the meantime, call up Peter in New York and not to make any contracts with Bill Murray or
anybody else pending a chance that you and Peter
and I can sit down and talk about it.

Fine. I'll take care of it.
If you don't mind.
Yes, sir.

HMJr:

Thank you.

G:

Goodbye.

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copy-to12/23/42
me Bell

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December 23, 1942

My dear Mr. President:

I naturally was disappointed not to have been able
to see you this morning, but I learned from Grace Tully
the reasons for your postponing your return to Washington.
The Morgenthau family had planned to go home this

afternoon to spend our Christmas on the farm, and I am
sure that you would not want me to change our plans;

hence, this letter.

You will find enclosed herewith three memoranda.
The first one is our suggestion for your Budget Message
which has been submitted to both Senator George and

Congressman Doughton. The other two memoranda give a

report of the visits which Paul, Blough and I had with
these two gentlemen.

You will remember that when we discussed how to

present the tax problem to the Congress that you and I
agreed that it would be best to have you diagnose the
case in your Budget Message without making any specific
recommendations as to how to cure the patient. After we
had met with both George and Doughton we all agreed that
the Budget Message should be confined to general language,
whatever specific recommendations you may wish to have

made later. May I remind you that you said, in discussing

this matter, that it is much better to let them set up the

Nine Pins and have you knock them down rather than to let
them do the reverse. We here in the Treasury agree with

you that this is good strategy and that you will get
quicker and more satisfactory tax legislation if this
procedure is followed.

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-2Grace Tully has kindly consented to put this
material in your hands tonight, and I would like very
much to discuss it with you on the phone tomorrow at
your convenience.

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) Henry

The President,
The White House.

Enclosures

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December 21, 1942

During the coming fiscal year we face two related
fiscal problems, one on the budgetary front and one on
the economic front.

On the budgetary front the fiscal problem is to
supply the funds required to pay for the war. Tax

legislation of the past three years, and particularly
of 1942, has greatly increased revenues. But expenditures for war have increased vastly more. Taxes under

existing law will raise less than one-third of the
amount needed to pay for Federal expenditures in the

fiscal year 1944. We should finance the war to a far
greater extent by means of taxes. Taxes will be easier
to pay during the wartime period of expanded money incomes

than they are likely to be after the war.
On the economic front the fiscal problem is to pay

for the war without further increases in prices and the

costs of living. The people of the United States will
have billions of dollars more income than they have had

in the past, and there will be billions of dollars less

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2$

goods to buy. More than half of our production is going

directly to the war effort. Less than half is available
for civilian use. Every effort will be made to keep the
supply of civilian goods and services as large as is
consistent with a maximum war effort and to make them
available when and where they are needed most. There

will be enough for health; there will be enough for
efficiency; but there will not be enough goods available
at present prices for the dollars people have to spend.
The excess dollars should be absorbed through taxes

or increased saving. The spending of those dollars would
have results which are alarmingly clear. Present shortages
would be intensified and now shortages would appear.

Prices and the cost of living would rise at an accelerating
rate. A mad soramble for goods might ensue. Black markets

would be difficult to prevent. Distribution of goods would
be cruelly unfair. The war effort might be dangerously
hampered.

The tragedy of inflation can be prevented; it must be

prevented; and it will be prevented if we take the stops
necessary to meet the danger.

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-3We have already taken many vital steps. We have increased taxes and stimulated voluntary saving, thus
withdrawing income from the spending stream. No have

set price ceilings, time at least temporarily putting
the brakes on the spiral of rising prices. We have
stabilized wages and galaries, thus restraining the
rise of business costs and the increase in money incomes.
We have placed limits on consumer credit and have brought
about a great amount of debt repayment. We have rationed
some essential, scarce goods to assure everyone a

necessary minimum and to help protect price ceilings.
We must go further.

We must greatly increase taxes. We must greatly increase

net savings. We must extend rationing to all goods for
which shortages now exist or impend. These measures are

interrelated. Each increase in taxes and each increase
in savings will lesson the upward pressure on prices and

reduce the amount of rationing and other direct controls
we shall need.

This twofold fiscal problem c alls for action of wartime

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proportions. I have endeavored to make clear that
higher taxes now are the best may to pay for the war and

to do so nithout inflation. Certain broad principles
should guide us in raising the additional revenue we need.
These principles include the encouragement of maximum war

production, the protection of a basic minimum standard

of living, the fair and equitable distribution of the
financial cost of the war, and the prevention of excessive

profits from the war effort.
K revenue program in harmony with these principles

will retain the individual income tax as the backbone
of our revenue system. The rates should be increased
from top to bottom and special privileges and loopholes
should be eliminated.
We must adapt the income tax to war needs. We should

collect a substantial part of the individual income tax
currently out of incomes when they are paid. This will
make the tax easier to bear; it will bring the money into
the Treasury more quickly and more certainly; while at the
same time it will remove the money from the spending stream

before it can be used to bid up prices.

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5-

The social security system should be expanded and

extended to add to the conomic security of the nation,
especially in the post-war period. This measure,

justified on its own merits, would also facilitate the
financing of the war.
The amount and kinds of taxes Congress adopts will

have a bearing on other fiscal measures it will need to

take. Whatever the type of action, time is of the essence.
New measures should be passed and put into operation

promptly. Within the next few months our receipts under
existing revenue laws and under any new fiscal measures
adopted by the Congress should approximate one-half

the cost of the Federal Government.

(Senator George suggested the addition of the following:

"To facilitate the work of the Congress, I

have directed the Secretary of the Treasury
to submit more specific proposals at the
pleasure of the Congress")

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Secretary Morgenthau

December 22, 1942

Randolph E. Paul

Subject: Conference with Senator George regarding
the 1943 Revenue Bill.
At a conference in Atlanta, Georgia, December 21, between
Senator George, Secretary Morgenthau and Messrs. Paul and

Blough, various questions boaring on revenue legislation for

1943 were discussed. A memorandum (oopy of which is attached)

which the Secretary was considering for presentation to the

President in connection with the Budget message was read and

discussed.

Senator George expressed the following ideas in connection
with the memorandum and 1943 revenue legislation:
1. The general approach taken in the menorandum would

be preferable to outlining any specific program in
the President's Budget message. However, Senator

George suggested an addition indicating that the
President would direct the Treasury Department to
present more specific proposals at the pleasure of
Congress." (The quoted words are Senator George's
exact words.)

2. Senator George expressed general agreement with the

idea of the last paragraph of the attached draft
statement, that the Treasury should within a few
months be collecting half its expenditures from

current "levies". It was explained that the word

"levies" was meant to include not only taxes, but
also such measures as forced lending. Precise
figures were mentioned in this connection. The

Senator said he had heard that the Budget would run

$100 billion for the fiscal year 1944. We confirmed
this figure, and it was understood that the gross
collectIons under this formula would have to total
about $50 billion.

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274

3. Compulsory lending would be desirable. It was not
clear to Senator George whether the Congressional
sentiment for compulsory lending would accept a

program sufficiently great to make up for the loss
of voluntary bond sales with some additional net
gain. He did think, however, that the total, which

Congress would provide from taxes and compulsory

lending, would be larger than any total it would

provide from taxes alone.

4. In response to a question Senator George said he

thought it might well be desirable to select a few
important items and try to get a separate bill covering them through very quickly. Collection of the

income tax by withholding at source at very substantial rates would be one such item.

5. There was no discussion of the Ruml plan at the
meeting; this plan might be an item of the type
Paul
George mentioned with in 4 copy above. of Mr. furnished the Senator

a a recent letter to Washington

Post describing the Treasury's plan of September, 1942,

for putting taxpayers on a current basis.

6. Discussing a comment of Mr. Louis Brown that Mr.
Brown would be willing to see corporate tax rates
go to 50 percent under certain conditions, Senator
George agreed that such an increase might well be
made if there were proper debt relief and (he
emphasized) a post war credit.
74 The Senator's tentative view was that Congressional
sentiment probably continued hostile to a spendings

tax and that it would be desirable, if possible, to

achieve the objectives of the spendings tax in some

other manner.

8. Senator George affirmatively suggested that the
Treasury shoul consider what its attitude would
be in case Congress insists on a sales tax, "as it
well may". The Secretary replied that this question

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should be submitted to the President. Senator
George indicated that he did not think that the
failure to pass a sales tax was psychologically

blooking other fiscal steps.

9. Senator George said he favored an extension and
expansion of the Social Security program, but
that unless it was handled separately he thought
it would cause great delay in the passage of the
tax bill because of the many disparate views as

to principles and details.

10. Senator George favored the idea of having a group

from the Senate Finance Committee and the Ways
and Means Committee, including Republicans, discuss

the 1948 tax program with the President at an

appropriate time. He also thought it would be a
good Idea to have some preliminary discussions
between members of the two Committees and the

Treasury in advance of any discussion with the
President.

(Initialed) R.E.P.

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December 22, 1942

Secretary Morgenthau
Randolph Paul
Roy Blough

Subject: Conference with Chairman Doughton on

revenue legislation.

A conference was held at the Treasury, December 22,

between Chairman Doughton, Secretary Morgenthau, and

Messrs. Paul and Blough. Secretary Morgenthau said that

he would like to have Chairman Doughton read a memorandum

which he was submitting to the President as a suggestion of
what the Budget Message should contain on fiscal matters.
The Secretary said he had talked with Senator George and
that Senator George had liked the general approach and had

made some suggestions; that the Senator had suggested that

meetings with Congressional leaders be held prior to an
extensive conference with the President on revenue legislation.
The memorandum for the President was then read to
Chairman Doughton, who made the following comments:

1. Chairman Doughton approved the view that the Budget
Message should be general in character and should not go

into details of a tax program, as this might seem too much
like dictating to Congress in the performance of its legislative function.
2. Chairman Doughton said he was disappointed in the

effects which the price legislation had had on the course of
retail prices, and that so far as he could see they had been

going up steadily without restriction.

3. Chairman Doughton said that he was not in favor of

taking up social security legislation, and did not believe
that any one of the continuing members of his Committee was
in favor of it. He said if such legislation came up and the

Committee did decide to consider it, perhaps six months would

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importance would be reported out by the Committee, or,
if reported, would be passed by the House.

4. It was Chairman Doughton's belief that if one-third
of the Federal expenditures were met by taxes, the country
would be doing extremely well. As to compulsory lending, he
stressed the adverse effect on the volunteer program, without
indicating directly bis own views on whether such lending
should be adopted and, if so, at what rates.
5. Chairman Doughton said he thought there were some
people who could stand increased income taxes, but that he

was fearful that increases in rates would be too burdensome

on others. He said he was in favor of taxing as far as was

reasonable without destroying enterprise or bankrupting
people with heavy obligations. He did not specify, however,
at what income levels he thought the income tax could be
increased, or how much.

6. Chairman Doughton did not indicate any views with
respect to collection at source, the Ruml plan, the spendings

tax, the sales tax, or other matters. He said that this was
not the time to discuss details of the tax program.
(Initialed) R.N.P.
RB

RB:mv

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DRAFT

My dear Mr. President:

I naturally was disappointed not to have been able

to see you this morning, but I learned from Grace Tully
the reasons for your postponing your return to Washington.
The Morgenthau family had planned to go home this

afternoon to spend our Christmas on the farm, and I am
sure that you would not want me to change our plans;

hence, this letter.
You will find enclosed herewith three memoranda.

The first one is our suggestion for your Budget Message which
has been submitted to both Senator George and Congressman

Doughton. The other two memoranda give a report of Pank)

Exaugh the visit which Paul, Blough and I had with these
two gentlemen.

You will remember that when we discussed how to

present the tax problem to the Congress that you and I
agreed that it would be best to have you diagnose the case

inwithout
your making
budget
meroage
any specific recommendations as to how to
cure the patient. After we had met with both George and
A

Doughton we all agreea that is the best procedure May
I remind you that you said, in discussing this matter, that
it is much better to let them set up the Nine Pins and have

nather let them

you knock them down than to do the reverse.
A

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We here in the Treasury agree with you that this is good
strategy and that you will get quicker and more satisfactory

tax legislation if this procedure is followed.
Grace Tully has kindly consented to put this material
in your hands tonight, and I would like very much to discuss it with you on the phone tomorrow at your convenience.
Yours sincerely,

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the budget mesage should
be confined TO general

language, whatever heart
recomiendatonyou may withave

John made later

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

DEC 23 1942

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Haas

Subject: Loan
Flotations in the United States During
Previous Wars
There is attached hereto the clipping from the New
York Herald-Tribune on the means of financing past wars
which you gave me at a staff meeting last week. There
is also attached a marked copy of Investment Banking for
December 1942, upon which the clipping was based. The

article in Investment Banking is substantially correct,
but a few errors have crept into the Herald-Tribune
article. For example, the original article describes
one of the loans floated in the War of 1812; the newspaper account takes this to be the only loan.
A somewhat more detailed summary of borrowing opera-

tions in previous wars follows.

Accurate details on the financing of the Revolutionary
War are unobtainable. Authorities differ as to amounts.
Domestic financing took the form principally of inflationary
issues of currency the aggregate specie value of which has
been variously estimated at amounts ranging from $36 mil-

lions to $70 millions. In addition, domestic loans of an

aggregate specie value of about $11 millions were floated
through domestic loan offices. Loan commissioners received
1/8 of 1 percent commission. Loans from foreign governments amounted to slightly more than $10 millions, of which
$6.4 millions came from France; $3.6 millions from the
Netherlands, and about $0.2 millions from Spain. The loans
from France were granted more for political reasons than in

consideration of the interest return. The Dutch loans, on
the other hand, were purely business transactions.
The War of 1812 was an unpopular one particularly in
the northern financial centers and this factor may have

accounted for the financial difficulties encountered by the
Treasury. Borrowing, including a loan of $11 millions
authorized before the declaration of war, and two loans

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after the treaty of peace amounted to about $125 millions.
Of this sum, $56 millions consisted of Treasury notes
which were receivable for public dues and were transferable
by endorsement and thus were able to perform most of the
functions of currency.
The $11 millions loan authorized in March 1812, about
3 months before war was declared, bore 6 percent interest,
was issued at par, and was successful. In 1813, however,
a loan of $16 millions at 6 percent had to be floated below
par and subscription books had to be reopened a second time.
Four other loans were floated at varying discounts and
interest rates. Figures on amounts of money borrowed are
further confused, however, by the fact that payment was
made frequently in bank notes of varying degrees of depreciation -- a situation which has not existed since the
creation of the National Banking System in 1863. The House

Ways and Means Committee estimated, in 1830, that, measured

in specie, the proceeds of more than $80 millions of borrowing, other than notes and temporary certificates, during
the War of 1812 was only $34 millions.

In the Mexican War, which was as popular as the War
of 1812 was unpopular, a net indebtedness of $49 millions

was created. All loans were floated at or above par for
6 percent bonds. In one loan operation bids were received
for $58 millions on an offering of $18 millions. No

mention 18 made in the Annual Reports of the Secretary of
the Treasury of the services of E. W. Clark and Brothers

(credited in the attached clipping with raising the money
for the Government), but the firm is listed among the
successful bidders for the loans of 1848 to the amount of
$950,000 for a loan of $18 millions. Corcoran and Riggs
of Washington were awarded $14 millions of this particular
loan for their own account, that of Baring Brothers and Co.,
and others.

The finance of the Civil War was again marked by our
renoy inflation. Specie payments were suspended at the
end of 1861. Small denomination, demand Treasury notes
had already been issued to the amount of $60 millions in
1861, and, under authority of an Act of February 25, 1862,
$150 millions of United States notes, noninterest-bearing
and legal tender, were issued early in 1862. This amount
was later augmented by other issues to an aggregate of
nearly $500 millions (including $27 millions of paper sub-

sidiary currency, "shinplasters"). In addition, Treasury

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notes bearing interest (some of it compound interest) were
issued to the amount of approximately $400 millions. These,
too, were legal tender. Long-term borrowing was chiefly
on the basis of 5 - 20 year and 10 - 40 year bonds, the
former at 6 percent and the latter at 5 percent. Approximately $775 millions of these bonds were issued in the
period 1861-65.

The Civil War marks the first large scale popular
financing of the United States Government. This was the

operation for which Jay Cooke became famous. Cooke made
use of 2,500 subagents who canvassed the country on behalf

of the "Five-twenties" and again for the 7.3 percent notes
financing operations in which the Cooke organization was
active yielded somewhat more than $1,000 millions. Cooke
received a commission of 1/2 of 1 percent on the first
$10 millions of subscriptions and 3/8 of 1 percent on everything over that amount, in selling the "Five-twenties".
It should be noted that the foundation of the National
Banking System in 1863 with a national bank note circulation
of $300 millions authorized, all of which must be backed
dollar-for-dollar by United States Government securities
was helpful in selling bonds.

of 1864 of which $671 millions were issued. All in all, the

The financing of the Spanish-American War in 1898
posed no important financial problems.

During the first World War, in 1915, an Anglo-French

loan of $500 millions was sold in this country. The original

amount projected had been $1,000 millions, but bankers felt
that this was more than could be floated successfully.

After our own entrance into the war, five popular loans
were floated, aggregating over $20 billions. Subscriptions
came to about $24 billions. The oversubscriptions were
greatest on the first two loans and least on the last two.
On the First Liberty Loan, subscriptions were allotted only
to the amount requested, oversubscriptions being allotted
on a graduated basis, subscriptions of $10,000 and under
being allotted in full. In the Second Liberty Loan, a portion of oversubscriptions was accepted, while in the last
two Liberty Loans and the Victory Loan the full amount subscribed was allotted.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 4

of the
Liberty and Victory loans are given
in theDetails
following
table:

First Liberty, 1932-47
Second Liberty, 1927-42
Third Liberty, 1928
Fourth Liberty, 1933-38
Victory notes, 1922-23

Tax-

Coupon

exemption.

(percent)

Full

Partial
Partial
Partial
Partial
Full

rate

3-1/2
4-1/4
4-1/4

4-3/4
3-3/4

Amount

:

Loan

(billions of
dollars)
2.0
3.5
3.9
6.6

4.4
20.4

The bonds of the First Liberty loan were fully tax-

exempt, in keeping with the pattern established by previous
Government security issues. The imposition of heavy surtax
rates on income, however, made complete tax-exemption
undesirable, and subsequent Liberty loans were made par-

tially tax-exempt and the coupon rates were increased. In
the Victory loan, subscribers were given a choice between
fully tax-exempt notes at 3-3/4 percent and partially taxexempt notes at 4-3/4 percent.
Bonds of the First and Second Liberty loans were made

convertible into the higher-coupon bonds of later loans on
the ground that investors might withhold subscriptions unless assured that they would be eligible to receive the
best rate available.
Liberty and Victory loans were anticipated by the
issuance of certificates of indebtedness, in an aggregate

amount of $17.0 billions. In this way the difficulty of

anticipating future financing requirements was avoided.
Certificates were accepted subsequently in payment for
bonds. Quota3 for bank purchases of these certificates
were established by the Federal Reserve Banks under general instructions issued by the Secretary of the Treasury.
Sales of Liberty bonds and Victory notes were promoted
by a variety of devices designed to produce widespread
popular response. "Four-minute speakers" urged bond pur

chases at nearly all public gatherings. Individuals were

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Secretary Morgenthau - 5

subjected to strong social pressures from a variety of
directions to induce them to subscribe their quotas. However, no commissions were paid for the sale of these securities. The number of subscribers to each loan is given

(in millions) in the following table:
First Liberty

Second Liberty

Third Liberty
Fourth Liberty

Victory notes

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NEW YORK

Herald SMART Tribune

42242

DEC 12 1942

Wall Street Comment
The Inflation Gep

initial experience with Clark in the

Is the "Inflation Gap" overrated?

Mexican War, was appointed Gov-

There are more and more persons

ernment Loan Sales Agent Hired

who are beginning to wonder

the 5,000 progenitors of the Victory

whether this is not another of those
fatalistic fetiches on which inflation

and it is not inconceivable that the
same thing will happen to the currently popular creed. The plain fact

a

fears have been nursed now for

decade. One by one these various
notions have fallen by the wayside:

Loan Fund salesmen and canvassed

the country on a house-to-house
basis Sold more than $2,000,000,000

in securities at somewhat less than

par for 6s. World War L In 1915

the Idea of a $1,000,000,000 loan for

the Anglo-French mission was re-

garded as so big as to be out of the

is that although there has been an
inflation gap for more than a year
now-that is to say, a gap between

question, and It was reduced by
half. But by 1917, with the finan-

the amount of spendable income
and the amount of goods available

cial community all over the country
putting its shoulder to the wheel, a

for purchase-I can be demon-

$2,000,000,000 Liberty loan brought
$3,000,000,000 in subscriptions, and

started that all the inflation we have
had to date can be accounted for by
purely political phenomena namely
by the refusal of the Administration

by 1918 It was found possible to

raise almost $7,000,000,000 in a single

(fourth Liberty loan) drive.

to take a firm attitude on wages

and farm prices and by its refusal
to make any attempt to tax, as such,

income in the lower brackets gen-

erated by the war effort.
War Finance Over the Years

Thumb-nail sketch of American
war-time financing as amputated

from "Investment Banking" for December: The Revolution: Financed

by "the best salesman of all time
for the American way. Benjamin
Franklin, who raised $11,710,000
abroad. War of 1812. The only issue for this unpopular war. one of

$16,000,000. was a failure. with the

underwriters forced to take $10.-

000.000 of 1t-at 88 for 6s. Mexican

War. E W. Clark & Co., of Phila-

delphia, raised the money for the
government by selling bonds to a
few wealthy individuals Civil War

With Europe unfriendly to the

Union, Jay Cooke, who had had his

In to Ma Has

medicine in 12-14-42 m.L.

.

by Seig as Stool

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December, 1942

Investment Banking
He sold more than $2,000,000,000 of bonds,
averaging less than par for 6s.

"picked out the biggest ones and started
firing," and, as the U.S.S. Boise did, will
keep on firing until they have taken care

SPANISH AMERICAN WAR-No special financ.

ing was necessary. The public debt increased

of them all.

only $200,000,000.

WORLD WAR I-The financial district was one

THE REVOLUTION - Benjamin Franklin,

of the few elements in the nation "prepared"
probably the best salesman of all times for the
when war was actually declared in April 1917.
"American Way," sold $11,710,000 bonds There was no demoralization Europe called it

abroad, mostly in
France and Holland.

(Canny English investors readily forgot

their enmity to the

"uncanny." Earlier, in

Who Sold the Bonds

in Other Wars?

States and held most

1915, the proposal of
a $1,000,000,000 loan

for the Anglo-French

mission did seem
staggering and was

of these bonds when they were paid off.)

cut to $500,000,000, but by mid-1917 the Amer-

Other than bonds sold abroad, some $40,000,000 were sold domestically. They were to
a great extent issued by the states, and Alexander Hamilton, first Secretary of the Treas-

ican market had absorbed almost $3,000,000,000

of repatriated American securities

It was not fully realized in 1917 however,
that a "nation of investors" had been created

ury, laid the firm foundation of United States
credit the world over by getting the federal

There was some pessimism, "fear that a $2,000,-

government to assume the debt-at a scale-down

000,000 Liberty Loan would never succeed."
Sceptics said, "The American people are not

in interest.

thrifty, have not been given the habit of buying

WAR OF 1812-A $16,000,000 offering to fi-

government securities."

nance this unpopular war received subscriptions

But financial houses all over the country shut

of only $6,000,000 from the public. Stephen
Girard, John Jacob Astor, and David Parrish,
capitalists M the day, took the balance at 88

up shop so far as ordinary operations were
concerned, put all their drive behind the $2,000,000,000 offering, and got $3,000,000,000 in sub-

for 6s.

scriptions

The same technique sold in one three-week

MEXICAN WAR-E W. Clark & Co., of Philadelphia, were the government's bankers in fi-

period in the fall of 19:8 what is until now the

nancing this war; sold moderate amounts of
bonds to a few wealthy individuals
CIVIL WAR-In 1861; with Europe unfriendly
to the Union and with "the market exhausted
and the ability to raise money feared," Jay
Cooke, who got his initial experience with E.
W. Clark & Co. in the Mexican War financing, was appointed "Government Loan Sales

world's largest security issue $7,000,000,000, the
Fourth Liberty Loan.

On SEC Rule
On October 31 the IBA's comments on
a rule proposed by the SEC staff for regu-

lation of the over-the-counter markets,
designated Rule X-15C1-10, were submitted to the Commission Included was

Agent."

Cooke hired 5,000 salesmen who "over-ran
the countryside, every hamlet and farm, appeal-

a special analysis of the way in which

ing to every living person." His posters and
circulars (with pictures of eagles and mothers

markets for municipal securities would

have been affected. Copies were sent to
all members and are available to others

on one side-popular songs on the other) "were
in every railroad station, court house, hotel, fac-

upon request.

tory, toll house, post office, on every tree and
telegraph pole."
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Investment Banking
volved in this drive may be obtained by

December, 1942

the fastest accumulation of surplus buying
power in all history.
Of this $11,400,000,000, the people used
an estimated $1,950,000,000 to buy or to
pay off installments on automobiles and
other durable goods. They used $210,000,000 to pay on mortgages or make down.
payments on new homes. Other debts were
paid down $830,000,000, and $1,370,000,000 was put into insurance (including social
security), building and loan associations,
and similar savings plans.
This left a balance of $7,040,000,000,
with which they bought only $2,800,000,000

comparing it to the total of approximately
$9,000,000,000 which was raised through
the sale of new issues of stocks and bonds
of domestic corporations in 1929. In contrast to this assignment for one month, the
largest amount of new corporate financing
in any one month during 1929 was $1,500,000,000.

In the meantime, however, the capaoity
of the market to absorb securities has expanded, and the nation's investment resources are adequate to take care of the
demands that will be made upon them, if

worth of government bonds and barely

inflation of prices is not allowed to skyrocket
the costs of the war.

$40,000,000, on balance, of other securities.
A net balance of $4,200,000,000 was retained out of this three-months' income and

Proof of Bond-Buying Ability

held in currency or in checking accounts.
This accumulation of idle money has
gone on steadily for some time and at a
swiftly accelerated rate recently. As installment purchases are eliminated, old debts
are paid off, and new durable goods disappear completely from the markets, this
tendency is accentuated. Such large sur-

One indication of the country's ability
to buy bonds is evidenced by the record
level of bank deposits. Total bank balances
of individuals, partnerships, and corporations are currently in excess of $65,000,000,000, as compared with $34,000,000,000
at the low point in 1933, and only $50,000,000,000 at the previous peak in 1929. It is
obvious, from these figures, that many of

pluses in currency and in checking accounts
obviously constitute the most unstable ele-

them have money in the bank over and

ment in our financial situation and the

above any reasonable reserve needs. It is

greatest inflationary threat.

part of our job to induce them to put all
in excess of minimum current balance re-

Pick Biggest Buyer and Fire!

quirements into Victory Loan securities.
Another indication of the nation's so far
untapped investment resources is contained
in the record-breaking current volume of
individuals' savings and the fact that the
money is being held in currency or in check-

Converting these excess accumulations of

cash and these idle balances into government securities is the first objective of the
Victory Loan drive. The broad diversification as to rate of return, maturity, redemption provision, and purpose, of the various

ing accounts to a great extent.
A study made public recently by the SEC

issues being offered makes available a sound

indicates that the total income of indi-

investment for any type of funds in any

viduals during the three months, July, August, and September, 1942, exceeded all living expenses by $11,400,000,000. This is at
the rate of almost $4,000,000,000 a month,

amounts.

The investment bankers have broadened
their lists of prospects, and in the words of

Captain Edward J. (Iron Mike) Moran,
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MORGENTHAU
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1942 DEC 23

FEDERAL
THE VICTORY FUND COMMITTEE OF THE SECOND

RESERVE DISTRICT

SENDS YOU ITS CONGRATULATIONS ON THE OUTSTANDING SUCCESS OF THE DECEM

-BER TREASURY FINANCING. IN THIS FIRST BIG DRIVE OF THE WAR
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE RESPONDED TO YOUR CALL

FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF THE WAR EFFORT IN A
WAY WHICH SHOULD GIVE YOU REAL PERSONAL SATISFACTION

AS WELL AS THE SATISFACTION WHICH COMES FROM DISCHARGING
THE DUTIES OF YOUR HIGH OFFICE
ALLAN SPROUL
CHAIRMAN.

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Expenses of Loans AGE

BOOK OF 12 (other names attached)
December 22, 1942

Messrs. Paddook and Stubbs and all Members of

the Victory Fund Organization,

First Federal Reserve District,
Boston, Massachusetts.

I should like to express to all members of the Victory
Fund organisation my warn personal thanks for the aplendid

assistance rendered by all of you to the Treasury in the
successful December drive. Your earnest and able response

to this call of your country is as inspiring example for
everyone on the home front. I feel sure that your holidays
of the next few days will be all the more satisfying because
of this service. May your Christmas be enjoyable and may

the New Year bring our country safely and victoriously

through this time of trial.
NESRY MORGENTHAU, JR.
SECRETARY OF TH TREASURY.

als Ever sent mg to charactering of the

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INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION
500 MADISON AVENUE
NEW YORK

OFFICE OF

THE PRESIDENT

December 23, 1942

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.
Secretary of the Treasurer of the United States
Treasury Department
Washington, D. C.

Dear Mr. Secretary:
Mr. Thomas H. Lane has forwarded to me the
certificates which you so generously awarded me and our
Company. I thank you personally and on behalf of International
Business Machines Corporation, and want you to know that
it has been a real pleasure and privilege for me and all
members of our organization to work with you and your staff
and you can always count on us for our cooperation and help
to the extent of our ability.
I take this opportunity to congratulate you on the
outstanding record you have made in handling the financial
affairs of our country, which I realize in these trying times
is a gigantic task.
With my good wishes to you and yours for the
holidays and the coming year, I remain
Sincerely yours,

President
TJW:ef

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

December 23, 1942

MEMORANDUM FOR MRS. KLOTZ:

In accordance with a request this
morning from Mr. Morgenthau, I hand you

the attached report showing the cost of
our radio programs.

Harold NA Graves

DEC

1942

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

TO:

Mr. Graves

FROM:

Mr. Sloan

DATE December 23, 1942

In accordance with your request, there is detailed below
the cost to the War Savings Staff for radio programs now running
in the interest of War Savings Bonds.
1. We have a thirteen week contract with the Blue Network
for a one-hour program entitled, "Over Here". The

total contract cost is not to exceed $78,000, and includes the cost of the script, and the union scale for
musicians, actors and writers.

2. We have a twenty-six week contract for a half hour
program entitled, "Bondwagon" with Station WOR, Newark,
New Jersey. The cost is approximately $500 per program and expenditures are being made for the same
items listed above.
3. We are now producing an average of three "Treasury
Star Parade" transcriptions each week. Each of these
cost approximately $1500, or a total of $4500 per week.

Again, these expenditures are for the items listed
above, and for stamping of sufficient records to cover

distribution to radio stations.

4. We are now making transcriptions of "Treasury Song
Parade" which are recordings by popular singers with
messages promoting War Bonds and Stamps included.
We have made 120 such programs, 8 programs being on

each record, or a total of 15 records to date. The
cost at this time has been $32,000. I understand from
Mr. Callahan that we have received more favorable
comments from the radio stations on these recordings
than any other thing we have furnished heretofore.

5. There are many programs promoting War Bonds and Stamps

which are given to the Staff at no expense, such as,
the present programs on Saturday and other nights during the week of the orchestras of Horace Heidt, Alvino
Rey, Little Jack Little and Tommy Dorsey.

6. I also understand that there is under consideration by

nothin of

dit

Jhing.

Mrs. Morgenthau and Professor Welch, a series of transcriptions entitled "Golden Eagle". We have spent to
date $1200 for four transcriptions which are being used
now for experimental purposes to determine if this
series would be beneficial.

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December 23, 1942

Dear Irv:

I am glad to learn from you that the
"Message to the American Farmer" and our War
Bond booklet are not missing R.F.D. boxes up

your way.

I appreciate your good words about the
theme of the message. Farmers are already
finding that War Bonds make a good place to

store their cash crop, so I feel confident our

seed is being planted in fertile soil.

Merry Christmas and all the other good
wishes of the season to you and yours.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Mr. Irving W. Ingalls,

American Agriculturist,

Savings Bank Building,
Ithaca, New York.
FK/cgk

File in Diary

DRAFT OF LETTER FOR THE SECRETARY'S SIGNATURE

December 23, 1942.

Dear Irv:

I am glad to learn from you that the "Message to

the American Farmer" and our War Bond booklet are not

missing any R.F.D. boxes im way.
I appreciate your good words about the theme of
the message. Farmers are already finding that War Bonds
make a good place to store their cash crop, so I feel

confident our seed is being planted in fertile soil.

Merry Christmas and all the other good wishes of
the Season to you and yours.
Sincerely,

Mr. Irving W. Ingalls,
Advertising Manager,

American Agriculturist,
Savings Bank Building,
Ithaca, New York.

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SAVINGS BANK BUILDING. ITHACA. N.Y.

December 17, 1942

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.
Washington, D. C.

Secretary of the Treasury

Dear Henry:

Your down-to-the-earth letterA MESSAGE TO THE AMERICAN FARMER-together

with the War Bond booklet found its way to
the R.F.D. box on my farm at Trumansburg.
Your theme "Victory must be
planted like any crop and it takes many tools

to cultivate it, too" says a whole lot
quickly. I am sure this letter will really
register with farmers in this section and

keep them buying War Bonds to the limit.
yours.

With the Season's Best to you and
Sincerely,

IWI:MM

Advertising Manager

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December 23, 1942.

My dear Mrs. Reid:

Mr. George Wanders is now returning to you

after his tour of duty here with us. Mr. Wanders
was most helpful in preparing the publicity for
the Victory Fund drive, and I can't begin to tell

you how such we appreciated your lending him to us.
He is an extremely able and patriotic gentleman.
Sometime in March we will start our next

Victory Fund drive, and I sincerely hope that you
manner at that time.

will let us have him to assist us in a similar

Again thanking you for the loan of Mr. Wanders

and wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year, I remain

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthan, Jr.

Mrs. Ogden Reid,
New York Herald Tribune,
New York, New York.

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NEW YORK

Herald Tribune
December 28, 1942

Dear Mr. Secretary:

It was a pleasure to hear
that all had gone well with Mr. Wanders' work
for you in the Treasury and we are extremely
glad to have him back. When you know more

definitely about the time when you will need
him in the spring we shall appreciate having
a little notice so that we can plan ahead.
With very many thanks for
your letter and the best of wishes to you and
Mrs. Morgenthau for a better New Year, I am
Sincerely yours,

be Royers has
The Hon. Henry Morgenthau Jr.

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COMPTROLLER OF THE CURRENCY

NAT BANK EX SAL & EXP

DAY LETTER DECEMBER 23,1942
HONORABLE PRENTISS M. BROWN,

ST. IGNACE, MICHIGAN.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUEST CONTAINED IN YOUR TELEGRAM OF

DECEMBER 21, CAREFUL REVIEW HAS BEEN MADE OF THE DECISION
DENYING THE APPLICATION OF THE MICHIGAN NATIONAL BANK FOR BRANCHES
IN

DETROIT AND BAY CITY. I VERY MUCH REGRET THAT WE CAN NOT MEET

YOUR WISHES IN THIS MATTER BUT BE ASSURED IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF ANY
LACK OF APPRECIATION OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE.
STOP. OUR POSITION BOTH AS TO DETROIT AND BAY CITY FOLLOWS
PRECEDENT IN THE OFFICE OF THE COMPTROLLER OF THE CURRENCY AND RESTS

UPON SOUND BANKING PRINCIPLES. EXISTING BANKING FACILITIES IN
DETROIT ARE ADECUATE. THIS CITY HAS THE SERVICES OF TWELVE BANKS
WITH ONE HUNDRED OFFICES AMPLY SUFFICITN TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS

OF CREDIT AND OF COMPETITION. STOP. IN REGARD TO RELEASE OF CLOSED
BANK DEPOSITS IN BAY CITY THESE DEPOSITORS HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED

75 PER CENT OF THEIR CLAIMS AND IT IS OUR OPINION THAT IT IS
PREFERABLE TO PRESERVE THE INDEPENDENT STATUS OF THE NATIONAL BANK

OF BAY CITY RATHER THAN TO PERMIT ITS ABSORPTION AS A BRANCH EVEN

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AT THE EXPENSE OF SOME FURTHER DELAY IN LIQUIDATION.

AN ADDITIONAL FACTOR IN OUR DECISION IS THAT THE WHOLE ISSUE
OF EXPANSION OF BRANCH BANKING IN MICHIGAN WILL BE PRESENTED
TO THE MICHIGAN STATE LEGISLATURE WHICH MEETS ON JANUARY 6,
1943.

OBVIOUSLY THE APPROVAL OF THESE BRANCHES AT THIS TIME

WOULD BE OPEN TO CRITICISH

H. MORGENTHAU, JR
SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

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PARAMOUNT PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE BAYCITY MATTER IN THE RELEASE
OF LONG HELD CLOSED BANK DEPOSITS AND IN THE CONTINUANCE OF

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WASHINGTON

December 23, 1942.

Dear Mr. Secretary:

Just a note of Christmas greetings and
best wishes for the New Year with congratulations
on the outstanding performance of the Treasury

Department in 1942. Your work is a very vital
part of our war effort, and I speak for the entire
Army in thanking you for your strong support.
successes.

May the New Year bring you even greater

Faithfully yours,

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury.