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April 25, 1942
4:30 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

There you are.

HMJr:

Hello.

Commander

J. P. Clay: Hello.
HMJr:

This 18 Mr. Morgenthau, Secretary of the
Treasury.

C:

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

Can you take a message for Admiral King?

C:

Certainly.

HMJr:

I invited the Secretary of War and Navy, and
Mr. Nelson to join me here in the Treasury
on the night of May 4 for a broadcast to help
me sell War Bonds.

C:

Yes, sir. Just one second, sir.

HMJr:

Hello.

C:

May 4th broadcast.

HMJr:

On May 4th.

C:

Yes, ar.

HMJr:

And there was - I invited Mr. Knox, Mr. Stimson,

C:

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

Now, Mr. Knox said he'd be on the West Coast.

C:

HMJr:

and Mr. Nelson.

Yes, sir.
And he said he'd be very glad if Admiral King
would go on in his place.

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-C:

HMJr:

C:

HMJr:

Yes, sir.

And I'd like to extend an invitation to
Admiral King to do that.
Yes, sir.

Well, now, will you extend that invitation to
him in my behalf?

C:

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

And let me know, if you could, in a reasonable

C:

HMJr:

time whether he'd be willing to do it.
Yes, sir.
I don't know whether you're familiar with the

broadcast we did Thursday night where we opened
this campaign.

C:

HMJr:

C:

HMJr:
C:

HMJr:

C:

Yes, sir. Not entirely. I do know something

about it, yes, sir.

Well, we were fortunate enough to have Lieutenant
O'Hare that night

Yes, sir.
and he did a swell job for us.

Well, that's fine.
But I'm very anxious to have Admiral King if
he would consider it.

All right, sir, and I'll get word to him. He's as you know, he's out of town. It may take

tomorrow some time when you can get an answer.

HMJr:

Oh, if I have an answer Monday morning.

C:

Monday morning.

HMJr:

Yes.

C:

All right.

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-3HMJr:

Thank you.

C:

You're welcome, sir.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

324

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 25, 1942
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

Vincent F. Callahan
-

With reference to your memorandum of April 23,

I wish to report that announcements of the broadcast
Thursday night were sent to every member of Congress, the

Supreme Court, the Vice President, the Cabinet, and the
heads of independent agencies before the broadcast. The
announcements were delivered by messenger service supplied

by the War Savings Staff and the Chief Clerk's Office of
the Treasury.

Caelahan

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 25, 1942
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Callahan

As per your instructions, the Press
Department will feed Mr. Earl Godwin all available
material of type he wants regularly.

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April 25, 1942.

MEMORANDUM

To:

Mr. Ted. R. Gamble

From:

Frederick Gamble
Paul West

Paul Kesten
Leo Burnett

M

Miller McClintock
Representing the Advertising Council and reporting on
behalf of the Executive Committee of the Council as to the action
proposed in response to the Secretary of the Treasury's request
for immediate aid from the advertising industry in connection with
the sale of War Savings Bonds:

1. The Advertising Council now has a clear concept of the
emergency character of the Treasury's problem in the merchandising

of War Bonds, and more particularly in the completion of the Payroll Deduction Plan.

2. The Advertising Council will devote itself immediately
to an analysis of and planning for the Payroll Deduction Plan

problem, currently assisting through its research facilities the

collection of necessary information for the analysis of consumer
attitudes with respect to Treasury sales, and will, so far as pos-

sible, if necessary, assist in the actual collection of such consumer attitudes. The objective of the Council in this matter is

to prepare with the advice and guidance of the Treasury a complete
overall plan for industry participation, both by management and

labor, in the Payroll Deduction Plan to the total set by the Treasury in its objective.

3. The Executive Committee recognises that important as this
emergency problem of payroll deduction may be, and as important as

may be the highly concentrated approach directly to industry and
management and labor, that the full attaining of the Treasury's
objective and the sustaining of this effort ever what may be a long
period of time, will require, through the channels of advertising
and publicity, an overall program to mold and shape the attitudes
of all the American people, and this will be considered immediately
and continuously until this overall, continuing program is como

pleted and executed.

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4. The Executive Committee of the Advertising Council has
related in its conferences these specific and immediate problems

of the Treasury to the particular abilities and skills of indi-

vidual advertising mon, and has created a list of candidates whose

aid it will seek instantly to head and ocordinate the activities

on behalf of the Council, and under the direction of the Treasury.
It is recognised that immediate action is urgent. Mr. Chester
LaRoche, Chairman of the Board and Mr. Harold Thomas, Vice Chairman,

have indeed already returned to New York to get in touch with the
specialists selected by the Council for the objective purposes.
It is hoped that they may be able to report to Mr. Mahan and Mr.
Callahan for detailed analysis work on Monday of next week, if not
Monday,
on Tuesday, or if not Tuesday, at the earliest possible
date.
Respectfully submitted,

(signed) Miller McClintock

Executive Director

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MISS CHAUNCEY
also

The attached has been sent
to

1. Senators
2. Representatives
3. Heads of Independent
Agencies

4. Directors of Federal
Reserve Banks

5. Members of the Federal
Reserve Board

6. Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Bks.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Bob:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would
appreciate having your suggestions
and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heart

Honorable Robert L. Doughton,
The House of Representatives,
Washington, D. C.

RWS:mtr

Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Walter:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and 8 leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heary

Honorable Walter F. George,
The United States Senate,
Washington, D. C.

Copies to:
EWS:Mtr

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

Miss Chauncey
Mr. Graves
Mr. Thompson

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APR 25 1942

Dear Don:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of e letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would
appreciate having your suggestions
and criticisms.
We have e big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(signed) Heave

Honorable Donald M. Nelson,
Chairman,

War Production Board,
Washington, D. C.
Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

EWS:MTR

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Alben:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I
would appreciate having your suggestions
and criticisms.
We have S big job to do and I am

confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heave

The Honorable Alben W. Barkley,
The United States Senate,
Washington, D. C.

Copies to:
EWS:Mtr

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

Miss Chauncey
Mr. Graves
Mr. Thompson

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APR 25 1942

Dear Sam:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would
appreciate having your suggestions
and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heave

The Honorable,

The Speaker of the House
of Representatives,
Washington, D. C.
Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.
EWS:me

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APR 25 1942

Dear Frances:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would
appreciate having your suggestions
and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heang

The Honorable Frances Perkins,

Secretary of Labor,

Washington, D. C.

Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

EWS;me

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Jessel

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and A leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(digned) Issue

The Honorable Jesse H. Jones,
Secretary of Commerce,
Washington, D. C.

Copies to:

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

Miss Chauncey
Mr. Graves
Mr. Thompson

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APR 2 5 1942

Dear Farold:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copice of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would approciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,

(signed) Heary

The Honorable Harold L. Ickes,

Secretary of the Interior,

Washington, D. C.

Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Franks

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leeflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Henny

The Honorable Frank C. Walker,
Postmaster General,
Washington, D. C.
Copies to:

Miss Chauncey
Mr. Graves
Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' effice.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Henry:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heary

The Honorable lienry L. Stimson,
Secretary of War,
Washington, D. C.
Miss Chauncey

Copite to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.
EWS:dv

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ADR 25 1942

Dear Francis:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 compenies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heary

The Honorable Francis Biddle,
Attorney General,
Washington, D. C.
Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.
EWS:dv

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APK 25 1942

Dear Cordell:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would
appreciate having your suggesti ons
and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am con-

fident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,

(Signed) Meany

The Honorable Cordell Hull,
Secretary of State,

Washington, D. C.

Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

EWS:dv

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APR 2 5 1942

Dear Henry:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would
appreciate having your suggestions
and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heary

The Honorable

The Vice President of
the United States,

Washington, D. C.

Miss Chauncey

Copies to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

from Mr. Graves' office.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Claude:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I
would
appreciate having your suggestions
and criticians.
We have a big job to do and I em
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heary

The Honorable Claude R. Wickard,

Secretary of Agriculture,

Washington, D. C.

Copiee to:

Miss Chauncey
Mr. Graves
Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

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APR 25 1942

Dear Marriner:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Heaxy

Honorable Marriner S. Ecoles,
Chairman,
Board of Governors of the

Federal Reserve System,
Washington, D. C.

Mies Chauncey

Copiee to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.
EWSimtr

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APR 25 1942

Dear Leon:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing nearly twenty

million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,

(Signed) Heavy

Honorable Leon Henderson,

Administrator,

Office of Price Administration,

Washington, D. C.

Miss Chauncey

Copiee to:

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

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APR 25 1942

Dear Frank:

You may be interested to see the

enclosed copies of a letter and a leaflet

which have just been sent to each of about
20,000 companies employing neerly twenty
million workers. As soon as you have an

opportunity to go over this material, I

would appreciate having your suggestions

and criticisms.

We have a big job to do and I am
confident that with your assistance and
cooperation we can put it over.
Sincerely,
Heavy

(algrod)

The Honorable Frank Knox,

Secretary of the Navy,

Washington, D. C.

Miss Chauncey

Copiee to: Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson

Mailed from Mr. Graves' office.

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/

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
WASHINGTON

April 25, 1942

Since the Defense Savings Program was launched in May 1941,

events of far-reaching importance have occurred. To preserve our
very existence we have been compelled to wage war upon far-flung

battle lines. To maintain these lines, the President has said that

during 1942 we must produce over 60,000 planes; 45,000 tanks: 20,000

anti-aircraft guns; 8,000,000 tons of shipping; in addition to mobilizing, training and equipping millions of fighting men. Upwards
of 50% of our total productive capacity and an equal share of our
national income must be diverted to making war materials.

This has meant a tremendous increase in the magnitude of the
financial problem facing the Government. Reliable estimates indi-

cate that during the next fiscal year, that is from July 1. 1942 to
June 30, 1943, we shall spend in the neighborhood of 60 billion
dollars.

The Revenue Act as it comes from Congress will determine how

much of the money needed to finance the war is to be raised by taxation. The balance must be borrowed by the Treasury. In all probability, we shall have to borrow upwards of 35 billion dollars
between now and this time next year.
If the Government is compelled to go to the commercial banks

for the bulk of these funds. the result will be to increase inflationary tendencies which are already serious. This is true because

when commercial banks buy Government Bonds they do not pay for them

with actual cash taken from their vaults, but by placing on their
books newly created deposits to the credit of the Government. When
the Government draws upon these deposits to pay for the goods and
services it buys, the purchasing power of those to whom these pay..
ments are made is increased without any decrease in the purchasing
power of those from whom the money is borrowed.
When bonds are purchased with savings out of current income. on
the other hand, such savings help to reduce excess consumer income

which if spent for a limited supply of consumer goods would tend to

force prices up. it is for this reason. among others. that we are
going directly to the people for as much as possible of the money
needed for the war.

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It would be difficult to say exactly how much we can borrow directly from the people. We cannot, of course, hope to borrow in this
way all that will be needed. Nevertheless, some definite objective
is desirable if we are to have a standard by which to measure our
success.

We have, therefore, set as our goal for the twelve month period
beginning July 1st, the sale of United States Savings Bonds, Series E,
F and G, having an' initial cost value of not less than $12,000,000,000.
This will be equal to slightly more than 10% of our estimated national
income during this period.
Sales of Defense Bonds during the period May 1941, through March
1942, amounted to $4,860,000,000. or an average of approximately

$440,000,000 per month. If we are to reach our goal. an average of a

billion dollars a month, we shall have to increase this rate of sale
by approximately 21 times. This should not be difficult to do in view
of the rapidly increasing national income and in view also of the fact
that the supply of many commodities upon which people would normally

spend their income will be restricted by the demands of war production.
The seeing of a definite goal or quota does not mean an abandonment or basic change in our fundamental objectives and methods. It

does mean an intensification of activity all along the line. It does
mean that henceforth our savings campaign must move on a war basis.

If we are to achieve the goal outlined for the nation as a whole, it
will be necessary to establish subsidiary goals or quotas for states
and counties. This we intend to do.

The most effective. single method for promoting the systematic
purchase of United States Savings Bonds is through the payroll savings
plan. Already nearly 50,000 firms in the United States employing a
total of almost 20,000,000 people have made such plans available to
their employees. You are among those who are cooperating in this pro-

gram, and I am writing to you, not only to thank you for your helpful
cooperation up to date, but to ask for your increased effort in the
future.

TIME IS SHORT. The ever-increasing demands of our war machine

create an urgency that we cannot escape or evade. To raise the
billions which we now need to win the war, and to do all in our power
to check inflation, we must raise our sights. I am suggesting, therefore, as a total or quota for those administering the payroll savings
plan, that AT LEAST 10% of gross payroll be set aside by the employees
for the purchase of United States Savings Bonds.

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We are still a long way from that goal. Among the nearly 50,000
firms having a payroll savings plan the average participation at the
present time is about 45% of the employees. The average monthly saving
is about $7.50 PER CAPITA, representing in the neighborhood of 4.8% of
the pay of those participating. In other words, if we consider ALL of
the employees of all the participating firms, only a bit more than 2%
of the gross payroll is now being invested in Defense Bonds.

Considering the difficulties involved in the initial installation
of payroll savings plans this is a good record. But we must go forward

now on two fronts: FIRST, we must increase the percentage of employees
participating in payroll savings plans from approximately 45% to at
least 90% of the total number. SECOND. we must encourage all participating employees to increase their average monthly allotment from about
$7.50 per capita to an average of nearly $20 per capita.
To help achieve this new goal I am sending you herewith the story

of one successful method for accomplishing this. This is the first of

a series of "nase histories" which we hope to send to you from time to
time. This campaign conducted by the General Electric Company has not
succeeded in reaching our new goal, but it seems to me that it is along
lines such as are here outlined that we can most quickly and simply
succeed.

You will, of course, realize that a flat 10% allotment of indi-

vidual wages and salaries by all employees will not accomplish this
purpose. It does not take account of individual differences either as
to income received or personal and family responsibilities. Some
individuals will be able to set aside a good deal more than 10% of
their pay; others less. The overall result, however, should equal 10%

of the gross payroll. I also realize that the formula according to

which the savings quota is distributed among the employees will vary
from place to place. To help in making such a distribution, I am enclosing a savings schedule for the systematic purchase of United
States Bonds for persons at different income levels. The allotments
indicated are based on national averages and will serve merely as a
guide in setting up a suggested schedule to fit your own payroll.

In conducting a drive for increased participation at higher rates
of saving, the friendly active cooperation of the workers themselves
is of the utmost importance. Organized Labor - including the American
Federation of Labor, the Congress of Industrial Organizations, the
Railroad Brotherhoods and their constituent unions almost without exception - has pledged its full all-out support of this program. Employers must remember that it is the money of their employees which is

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being invested in Savings Bonds through payroll savings plans and must
encourage in every way possible - by joint committees or other methods

of cooperation - a spirit of partnership and joint loyalty among all
the good American citizens participating. Working together. managepent and labor can not only insure the success of this most important
war effort, but can lay the foundations for improved industrial rela-

tions which will bear increasingly rich fruit in the years to come.
Many questions will undoubtedly occur to you concerning this new
and intensified program. I should be glad to hear from you and 1 shall
welcome any inquiries or comments you may wish to make.

I want to express my appreciation again for your generous cooper-

ation thus far. I know that in the months ahead you will not fail.
Sincerely yours,

Hmagenthan g.
Secretary (at the Treasury

350

PAY - ROLL SAVINGS
BOND PROGRAM
General Electric Company
Employees

No. I of a Series of Case Histories Outlining Successful Promotions Used by Various
Companies for Increasing Participation in the Pay-Roll Savings Plan
DEFENSE SAVINGS STAFF, TREASURY DEPARTMENT. WASHINGTON, D.C.

GENERAL
GENERAL OFFICE
SCHENECTADY. N. Y.

ELECTRIC

COMPANY

1 River Road

SCHENECTADY, N. Y.
MR. HAROLD N. GRAVES,

February 9. 1942

AssistantDepartment,
to Secretary of the Treasury Morgenthau,
Treasury
Washington, D.C.
Dear Mr. Graves:

I am attaching . summary of the results of the General Electric Company's Defense Savings Bond

drive. which was conducted last December. In addition to . number of cash sales, about as percent of
average
about $200
per the
employee
of Bonds)
annualdeduction
basis
our employees
pledged
regular (maturity
purchasevalue
of Bonds
underon
ouranpay-roll
plan. The pledges
These figures, while they testify to the success of the drive, tell nothing of the tremendous enthusi.

- with which our employees carried on this effort, and which was responsible for its success. Because
. large part of our manufacturing facilities have been devoted to war production for more than . year.

General Electric employees have consistently been months ahead of the general public in their realize
tion of the seriousness of the war effort. This has been evidenced by the many mass meetings held to

pledge "all-out" war production, the hundreds of American flage purchased by employees and hung in
the shops, the dedication ceremonies held when new buildings have started war production, the receptions

suggestions
from
employees
on ways
to speed
production.
given parties
of Army
and Navy
officers
whenwar
they
have visited our plants, and by the constant flow of

The Defense Savings Bond drive was a further manifestation of this determination among our
employees to do everything possible to help win the war. If this pledge to buy Defense Bonds is .
secrifice
onand
theirofpart,
then ismore
is only
one
the manytosecrifices
theyfuture.
have already made to further the
was
effort,
the many
they
areofprepared
make in the
In the meetings that were held to instruct those working on the drive, various speakers gave
reasons for buying Bonds as . good investment as . means of retarding inflation, and so on.

aggression
various

But the spirit that made the drive an outstandingly successful was the patriotic spirit of the employees

themselves their enthusiastic desire to spare no sacrifice that would help smach the forces of
We were particularly pleased with the showing made by our Schenectady works since this is our
largest factory. and therefore represented the biggest job of organization in this drive. More than 95
percent of these employees subscribed-93 percent joining in the pay-roll deduction plan. The ever.
age pledge was 8330 per subscriber per year (maturity value of Bonds). Obviously the reason for se
great . response goes for deeper than just the effort exerted during this drive is shows a recognition
within
company andbythe
civicemployees
activities of acquired
their communities
of
civicthe
responsibility
these
through years of participation in group activities
Yours very truly,

Mrhansh
W. W. Trench Secretary,

Lac

GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY.

DEFENSE SAVINGS BOND PROGRAM
General Electric Company Employees

THE GENERAL ELECTRIC DEFENSE BOND DRIVE

This report summarizes the progress made in General Electric's Defense Bond selling program through
December 31, 1941. This program has been planned as a series of 1-week drives, repeated about twice

Because the General Electric Company Defense Savings Bond campaign has been
among the most successful so far conducted, we are including here a detailed descrip

a year for the duration of the war effort. The first of these drives was carried on during December in

tion of how General Electric went about the job of soliciting its 121,270 employees.

all plants and offices of the company.
RESULTS

Three methods of purchasing Defense Savings Bonds were offered General Electric employees:

(1) By pay-roll deductions regularly each pay period. Only the Series E Bonds were offered
under this plan.

(2) For cash.

(3) By income accumulation. Under this plan the employee authorizes the company to pay interest due him on his General Electric employees bonds and his profit-sharing payments in the
form of Series E Defense Savings Bonds.

The 121,270 employees on our pay rolls at the beginning of December responded as follows:
Form of Payment

Pay-roll Deduction

Number of Employees

Maturity Value of Bonds

Participating

Purchased

101,025

For Cash

6,770

Income Accumulation

2,700

$20,205,000
$1,025,625
$154,750

Percentage of Employees
Participating

83.0%
5.6%
2.2%

*Annual basis

Savings Stamps with a value of $46,600 were also purchased during 1941.

Since the close of the drive in December, additional authorizations have continued to come in The
figures for January are not yet tabulated but will increase those given above.
The average authorization, on an annual basis, is about $200 (maturity value) per participating em
ployee, representing on a cash basis about 6.5 percent of the company earnings of these employees.
At our Schenectady plant approximately 95 percent of the employees subscribed, pledging an average of

$330 per subscriber per year (maturity value of bonds). This means that these General Electric men
and women are subscribing about 10 percent of their company earnings for Defense Bonds.

General Electric's employees are scattered in more than a hundred units from coast to coast. About
110,000 General Electric people are situated in about 30 factories, ranging in size from the Schenectady
Works, with several thousand people, to the smallest factory with only two or three hundred employees.
Sales offices are located in 86 cities, and associated with these offices are other units-warehouses and
service shops. Thus General Electric's Defense Savings Bond drive covered the whole range of conditions likely to be faced by any company, large or small.

When the Defense Savings Bonds were first offered in May 1941. General Electric immediately announced a plan to make it convenient for its employees to obtain them. This plan was worked out by
the company's treasury department and offered three ways by which Defense Savings Bonds could be
purchased

(1) By Pay-Roll Deduction (in installments)
By filling out a form, obtainable from his paymaster, any employee could authorize the company to make regular deductions from his pay checks. These amounts would accumulate,
and each time the total reached the required amount the company would purchase a bond and
have it mailed to his home.
(2) For Cash

By applying to his paymaster, any employee could request the company to purchase bonds for

him and have them mailed to his home.
(3) By Income Accumulation

By filling out a form, obtainable from his paymaster. any employee could authorize the company to pay interest due him on his General Electric employees bonds and his profit-sharing
payments in the form of Series E Defense Savings Bonds.
RECORDS AND REPORTS

The General Electric treasury department worked with each of the paymasters in setting up a uniform

procedure for keeping records. After the authorization form filled out by the employee has been
recorded by the local paymaster on the employee's pay-roll record, the form is sent to the company's
treasury department at Schenectady, where a record is kept so that all bonds can be purchased by the
treasury department at Schenectady as needed.

INFORMING THE EMPLOYEES
The job of informing employees on the features of the Defense Savings Bonds and the provisions of the

General Electric purchase plan was begun at once. A booklet describing the bonds and the purchase
plan was prepared and a copy given to each employee. Posters describing the plan were displayed on
all 1,500 bulletin boards throughout the organization. The employee publications took up the job of
education and of arousing interest in bond purchases.

Since no one publication covers all General Electric employees, much of this material was prepared at
Schenectady and syndicated to the editors of nine employee papers. Week after week from then on
hundreds of articles, editorials, cartoons, and news items were used to tell the story from all angles and

is the simplest possible terms. At the same time, the urgency of the defense effort was being emphasized in these same publications and by talks, motion pictures, dedication ceremonies, posters, flags, billboards, and in other ways.

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PLANNING THE SALES DRIVE
terminated in December on subscriptions under the company's former savings plan, which
These
Payments of General Electric Employees Securities Corporation as the investment medium.

ALL

OUT

offered bonds ran concurrently with subscriptions to Defense made. Savings Bonds made in May. No further
subscriptions offering of General Electric employees bonds has been

FOR

TOMORROW

AMERICA!

it was obvious that most General Electric employees had made up their minds to purchase
By this time Savings Bonds, but for one reason or another had not yet gotten around the to it. It was therefore

Defense
individually,
making
sure
that each
decided
to solicit
each employee
Bonds
regularly.

understood bonds, the purchase

plan, and the reasons for purchasing

York State Director of the U.S Defense Bond Staff was contacted by General Electric to learn

The New materials were available to assist them in this Bond-selling drive, After selecting the
what pieces promotional they wanted, they designed several additional items for their own use.

to work out the details of the drive quickly, the personnel supervisors from made the several plants

In order called to a meeting at Schenectady. At this meeting the principal decisions were as follows:
HE

(1) The solicitors should be a voluntary organization of employees.

UP
IN

(2) Each
solicitor
should
be responsible
for personally
the exact
number
would
vary, depending
on local contacting
conditions.about 20 employees, although

FREEDOM

(3) At each factory and office a drive chairman should be appointed by the local manager. He
would select a captain in each department of the local organization; each captain would
select a lieutenant in each section of his department; and within each section the lieutenants

would select their own solicitors. Thus the solicitor organization closely paralleled the

AND

WE'LL

DO

IT

EVERY TIME

physical organization of the company itself.

No quotas would be set. but if employees asked how much they should subscribe expectations for, it of was the

(4) decided
to recommend about 10 percent of their income, in line with the
U. S. Treasury Department.

sale

(5) It decided to stress the Series E Bonds. Only the Series E Bonds were for cash offered sale. for

under was the Pay-Roll Savings Plan. Series F and G Bonds were offered

(6) The Pay-Roll Savings Plan would be emphasized, although if unsuccessful be in getting offered an by em the

solicitor.
ployee to use this plan, the cash and income accumulation plans would

WATCH

Many details worked out at this meeting. The training of solicitors, the decisions promotional reached. mate

the other timing of were all parts of the program, and other questions were reviewed and These
rials, the General Electric treasury department called a meeting of all paymasters. the handling of the

records.
also At this met same in Schenectady time and worked out the details of the accounting procedure and

units

and

began

Following the plans outlined, the personnel supervisors returned to their their respective facilities for handling the

the solicitor organizations. The paymasters began augmenting materials, and the
authorizations. building The publicity department at Schenectady prepared the promotional regarding the coming drive.

stepped up their efforts and began releasing details who attended the Schemen
employee The smaller publications units of the company not covered by the personnel supervisors this way.

tady meeting were contacted by mail and given their instructions in

TO

THE PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS
The promotional materials prepared by the publicity department to aid the Bond-selling drive
follows:

(1) Special articles, editorials, cartoons, and similar items were syndicated to the nine employee
lications. The editors of these publications added . good deal of material of their own to give local pub

color and arouse local pride in making . good showing.

(5) A leaflet listing the principal reasons for buying Bonds was prepared One hundred and twenty.
five thousand copies were distributed to the various chairmen. who gave each solicitor one copy for

each employee he was to contact.

(6) A form authorizing pay-roll savings was prepared for each employee to fill out. One hundred and
fifty thousand copies were distributed to the respective paymasters. Each employee's name and
company address was placed on one of these forms. These were then turned over to the chairmen

for distribution to solicitors. Thus each solicitor received individual authorization forms for each
(2) Several thousand posters were obtained from the U. S. Treasury Department and distributed to all
units of the company for display purposes. Fifteen hundred bulletin-board posters were printed
and put on company bulletin boards to advertise the General Electric pay-roll deduction plan.
(3) A booklet of instructions for solicitors was prepared and fifteen thousand copies distributed to the
respective chairmen to assist in training solicitors.
(4)

The company's Defense Savings Plan was published in booklet form. The plan described completely the features of the Bonds and the method of purchase available One hundred and twenty.
five thousand copies were distributed to the various chairmen so that a copy could be handed each
employee just before the drive opened.

4 typical meeting held to train and enthuse
employee-solicitors.

employee he was to contact.

(7) A smaller number of forms authorizing cash purchases, and a like number of forms authorising
income accumulation payments, were prepared, and each solicitor was given two or three of each for

any employee who preferred this method of purchase. The various forms were printed on differ

ent colored papers to avoid confusion.

(8) In addition, various mimeographed letters and instructions were prepared to keep the solicitor or
ganization informed on steps being taken, meetings being held, and other events from time to time

both before and during the drive.

TRAINING THE SOLICITORS
The training of the solicitors was carried out step by step before the drive opened. The
various chairmen instructed their captains, the captains in turn trained their lieutenants, and

the lieutenants instructed their solicitors. The booklet of instructions and other promo
tional materials were distributed in time to be useful in this training process.

The second step consisted of calling the solicitors together just before the drive opened in

large meetings. In some of the larger factories several hundred solicitors attended each
meeting, and more than one meeting had to be arranged to accommodate them all. While
general instructions were repeated at these meetings, their purpose was primarily to arouse

enthusiasm for the job ahead. The program varied from factory to factory, but a typical
meeting was supervised by the works manager or by the local drive chairman. At one meet

ing the secretary of the company pointed out that the Bonds are an excellent investment
reading the interest rates of other leading bonds from the morning paper for comparison

This was followed by a talk given by a local union representative, who urged all employees
subscribe, appealing to their pride as a group which had already contributed greatly to the
national war effort.

The final speaker was the company vice president in charge of war projects, a forceful
speaker who emphasized what war means to each citizen and what will be required for victory

He emphasized regular Bond purchases as one of the duties and privileges of every citizen
today, and told the solicitors that the job they were about to do was as important
war effort.

Facts About Defense Savings Bonds
SERIES E DEFENSE SAVINGS PAYROLL
BONDS DEDUCTIONS

Ever NATIONWIDE SINCE LAST DEFENSE BOND CAMPAIGN GETS UNDER WAY

DENOMINATIONS
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cleared
to

take

prospect up the any pay-roll questions savings that arose and gave the also
principal person reasons for was buying contacting Bonds. understood them. He

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home and discuss it with his authorization family. He form with his name imprinted on it and urged Then him he gave his
the

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authorization form. solicitor then made an appointment to call back wife later or in other the week members and of his

Bond Sale

solicitor his then return explained call, the the employee indicated that he did not wish to authorize

scribe in one of these cash payment and income accumulation plans, urging pay-roll his prospect deductions, to sub- the
QUESTIONS RAISED
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hurry
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money in
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referred

back

to

the

head.

Solicitors this way were all questions instructed that if any questions came up that they could not answer, to ask their leader.
Bonds

quarters at Schenectady order to be sure correctly-son of the answer.

end of the the drive was practically complete, although some "cleaning up" remained

back through the organization to the chairman, who turned them over The to

Schenectady Works

CONCLUSIONS
The "pyramid" type of solicitor organization used proved
ideally suited to the job. It was possible to organize it in a
few days: it made the training of the actual solicitors relatively
easy it was a simple matter to give instructions and distribute

a half million pieces of literature quickly and efficiently; it
was easy to expand quickly in those areas where additional
help was found necessary as the drive progressed; and it made
possible a day-by-day check of results.

The same procedure was found to be efficient in large factories with several thousand employees and in small units of

AMERICA
tacting

a hundred or so people. In the smaller units the effort was,
of course, less formal. The meetings consisted of smaller
groups, and there were fewer steps in the "pyramid" of the
solicitor organization.
War was declared just prior to the opening of the drive, and
large outdoor mass meetings were held at most of the large

factories to pledge an "all-out" war effort. This no doubt
helped in boosting enthusiasm still higher and contributed
to the results.

The field organization of the U. Treasury Department De.
fense Savings Staff was just getting under way at the time the
drive was being planned and in several instances was of help

in furnishing materials and in giving talks before groups of
solicitors and others working on the drive. In one case the
General Electric group helped the Defense Savings Staff in

getting the city organized so that the city-wide effort could
start at the same time as the drive in the local General Electric
factory.

The elapsed time, from the day the idea of sponsoring such a
drive was conceived until the day the drive ended, was only
about 1 month. Urgency was stressed all through the effort,
and this no doubt contributed to getting the job done quickly

and efficiently. On the other hand, sufficient time was given
to make sure that the organization was properly set up and
trained before the drive was started.

In order to forestall the possibility of employees cashing in
their Bonds to pay income taxes, General Electric moved

ahead the date on which the next profit-sharing payment
would normally be made to employees by about a month, so
as to distribute this money early in March instead of in April.

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CONFIDENTIAL
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Comparative Statement of Sales During
First Twenty-one Business Days of April, March and February 1942

(April 1-24, March 1-25, February 1-25)
On Basis of Issue Price
(Amounts in thousands of dollars)

208,730

278,485

Series E - Total
Series G - Banks

256,076
31,185
129,214

279,907
33,837
150,607

356,549
46,761
220,128

Total

$416,474

$464,351

$623,438

:

:

:
:

Series F - Banks

: February

:

:

190,352

:

Series E - Banks

over

:

:

:

$ 78,063

:

over
March

:

:

:

$ 71,177

:

$ 65,724

Series E - Post Offices

over
March

:

:

March

Percentage of Increase
or Decrease (-)
March
April
:

:

: February

April

or Decrease (-)
March
April

:

:

Item

Amount of Increase

:

Sales

over

: February

-$ 5,453
- 18,378

$ 6,886
- 69,755

- 7.7%

- 8.8

- 8.8%
- 25.0

- 23,831

- 2,652

- 8.5
- 7.8

- 27.6

- 21,393

- 76,642
- 12,924
- 69,521

- 14.2

- 31.6

-$ 47,877

-$159,087

- 10.3%

- 25.5%

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

- 21.5

April 25, 1942.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of
sales of United States savings bonds.
Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

CONFI
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Daily Sales - April, 1942
On Basis of Issue Price
(In thousands of dollars)

Post Office
Date

April 1942
1

2

3

4

6

7

8

9

10
11

13

14
15
16
17
18

20
21
22
23

24

Total

All Bond Sales

Bank Bond Sales

Bond Sales

Series E

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

$ 2,476

$ 10,517

$ 2,380

$ 9,608

$ 22,504

$ 12,993

$ 2,380

$ 9,608

2,999
3,222
2,778

8,264
7.572
9,292

2,119
1,185
1,387

7,570
6,235
5,334

17,953
14,992
16,013

11,263
10,794
12,070

2,119
1,185
1,387

7,570
6,235
5,334

$ 24,980
20,953

4,961
2,958
2,309
2,906
2,730
2,150

13,035
5,722
9,610
9,304
8,052
5,224

2,329

8,027
8,983
6,562
5,715
5,261
2,720

23,391
15,539
17,314
15,974
14,885
8,613

17,996
8,680
11,919
12,210
10,782
7,374

2,329

8,027
8,983
6,562
5,715
5,261
2,720

28,352
18,497
19,623
18,880
17,615
10,762

4,619
2,513
2,584
3,472
2,690
3,111

17,572
6,152
5,102
10,008
8,076
7,175

2,432
1,076
1,251
1,400

8,604
3,333
5,374
7.773
3,695
3,303

28,609
10,561
11,728
19,180
12,621
11,426

22,192
8,665
7,686
13,480
10,766
10,286

2,432
1,076
1,251
1,400

8,604
3.333
5,374
7.773
3,695
3,303

33,228
13,074
14,312
22,652
15,311
14,537

5,252
2,517
2,925
3,101
3,451

13,334
6,845
9,112
9,403
10,981

2,227

24,562
11,525
17,830
17,136
18,396

18,586
9,362
12,037
12,504
14,431

2,227

1,925
1,805
1,721

9,001
3.703
6,793
5,928
5,694

1,925
1,805
1,721

9,001
3.703
6,793
5,928
5,694

29,814
14,042
20,755
20,237
21,846

$ 65,724

$190,352

$ 31,185

$129,214

$350,750

$256,076

$ 31,185

$129,214

$416,474

834

1,142
955

1,573
668

850

948

977

834

1,142
955

1,573
668

850
948

977

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

- -n-

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of
sales of United States savings bonds.
Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

18,214
18,790

April 25, 1942.
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and return

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

Hun

DATE April 25, 1942.

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

George Buffington G.D.

Following your suggestion, Mr. T. J. Bryce interviewed corporation officials on Thursday and Friday of this
week at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (EXHIBIT A) and
I interviewed the officials of a number of corporations other

than insurance companies at the Federal Reserve Bank of
Chicago (EXHIBIT B) during the same two days.

Because of the short time in which both Federal Reserve banks had to arrange appointments, it was not possible
to interview a large number of corporations and report to you
by Monday, April 27, 1942. While there appears to be a substantial amount of corporation cash available for investment,
it might be desirable to extend the investigation further before making a final decision.

From the attached reports it would appear that insurance companies are interested in the long tap issue. There
is some difference between the Treasury's tentative proposal
on rates and those which the insurance companies would like to
have. Corporations which now have idle funds or contemplate
having funds accumulate as a result of deferred maintenance,

etc., are interested in the short tap issue. Most people

interviewed question, however, the wisdom of the Government's
expanding the amount of demand obligations and the opinion
was expressed by several people with whom I talked that an

offering of this kind would result in liquidation of general

market Government securities. Should it be decided in the
future to offer a five-year tap issue, sales should be made
with care in order that corporations with funds temporarily
idle not be encouraged to purchase the securities with the
idea in mind of redeeming them in a comparatively short time.
There appears to be an increasing accumulation of
cash brought about by the necessity to defer maintenance. However, many corporations expect these balances in part will be
absorbed to meet higher income taxes.

EXHIBIT A

o
TO:

PRIL 24, 1942.

Mr. George Buffington

FROM: T. J. Bryce
INTERVIEWS - APRIL 23, 1942

1. New York Life Insurance Company
Mr. A. H. Meyers, Treasurer

Thinks a long-term tap issue attractive to insurance companies,
if offered on a basis which would net them 1/4 of 1 per cent more than an
open market negotiable issue yield. Assuming a twenty-year open market

issue quoted to yield approximately 2 1/2 per cent, would think that
twenty-year tap issue should yield 2 3/4 per cent. Objects strenuously
to proposed $1,000,000 limit. Would have no interest in five-year issue
but would continue to buy six-month certificates of indebtedness, providing
had right to convert any time before maturity into any long-term issues
which might be offered during that period.
2. Prudential Insurance Company
Mr. J. W. Stedman, Vice President

Feels very much as Mr. Meyers does about rate, maturity, etc.

on proposed long-term tap issue. Stressed the fact that the shorter
the maturity the better as long as yield would be approximately 2 3/4

per cent. Is pessimistic about long-term interest rates holding at present
level; also thinks great mistake to have $1,000,000 limitation, as felt
both the Prudential and Metropolitan would want $100,000,000 of any such
issue as is being discussed.
Expects to be in the market for $350,000,000 to $400,000,000

of Government securities before the end of calendar year. Pointed out

that his company is still getting 3 per cent on fifteen year loans which
are being negotiated on a private deal basis.

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355

Continental Can Company

Mr. J. B. Jeffries, Jr. Treasurer
Heavy borrower and would have no interest in proposed tap

issues, except if asked to subscribe on patriotic basis. While can
companies are being permitted to continue to manufacture all cans in which

to pack food, their general line of business (paints, tobacco, candy cans)
is being completely knocked out. While getting some war business, Mr. Jeffries

predicted that by Fall six or seven of their plants would be idle and he
has great doubts as to the company's ability to maintain present $2 dividend.
May be in funds from October to May and, therefore, might be

interested in short-term certificate of indebtedness issue if offered in
the Fall. Now owing banks $5,000,000 company has installed payroll
deduction plan; he has feeling that employees are not buying enough bonds.
4.

R. H. Macy and Company

Mr. Beardsley Ruml, Treasurer

While his company is proposing to issue a large debenture issue

to refund notes and to considerably better its working capital position,
he feels that corporations generally would be very much interested in a

five year tap issue. He also pointed out that after getting his company
in the working capital position referred to above, he would be glad to
consider the purchase of a substantial amount of a five-year tap issue,
with the understanding that he could redeem it at any time with the proper
notice.

5. National Lead Company

Mr. Charles Simon, Treasurer

In anticipation of our entrance into the war, this company built
up its inventories substantially, with importations from Africa and Indiana
and this situation, together with the development of a mine in the Adirondacks,
leaves the company with no excess funds, though it is not borrowing from the

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banks. As the inventory referred to above is liquidated, this company
would be very much interested in a short-term tap issue but he thought that
it might have to redeem the bonds within eighteen months. Thinks corporations
generally would be very much interested in such an issue.
6. Consolidated Edison Company

Mr. William F+ O'Brien, Treasurer, and
Mr. D. C. Johnson, Vice President.
Very enthusiastic about five-year tap issue as long as can redeem

bonds on short notice. Unlike most utilities, Consolidated Edison is
over-built as to plant so it has excess funds as evidenced by recent

subscription to certificate of indebtedness issue.
Mr. Johnson told me that there is a possibility that they
will sell some of their up-state properties to the aluminum industry
which would put them in a position to subscribe for a substantial amount,

if a short-term tap issue is to be offered.
7. Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States
Mr. F. A. Shailer, Vice President

He feels that there should be a differential of at least 1/4
to 3/8 per cent in a long-term tap issue vs. a marketable issue. Points
out that twelve-year Government bonds are selling in the market to yield
approximately 2.17 per cent whereas the "G" bonds with the same maturity

yield 2.53 per cent. Therefore, some differential should exist in a
twenty-year bond. He figures that a twenty-two-year bondwith a twenty-year
option would probably today command a small premium for 2 1/2 per cent

and that, therefore, an eighteen to twenty-year tap issue should be

offered to yield at least 2 3/4 per cent.
Several of the insurance companies have pointed out that they
would be very happy to subscribe for very substantial amounts of the present

"G" bonds if the limit were raised. Mr. Shailer pointed out that several

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of the big companies do not own any "G" bonds apparently because they

do not want to go to the trouble of putting such a small amount on their
books.

He thinks that a great many individuals are holding back purchasing
war bonds as they are only interested in the "Es" and, having bought their

limit, would rather wait until they can buy more of that issue than to go
into the lesser attractive "Fs" and "Gs". Thinks something should be
done about the "Fs" as investors are buying five times as many "Gs" as

"Fs". Thinks "Fs" should either be done away with or given more "it".
8.

General Motors Corporation

Mr. F. G. Donner, Vice President

Very critical of the way the certificate of indebtedness issue
was handled. Not bothered so much by investment bankers and brokers

calling them as the number of telegrams received. Pointed out that
this company has a great many subsidiaries, each of which received a

telegram which was quite often sent to the wrong place. Thinks it
would have been much better if he had been called up by the Federal Reserve
Bank in the regular way.

This corporation would have no interest in either a short or
long-term tap issue as because of conversion of business into the war
effort will have to be a heavy borrower from banks and elsewhere to
provide enough working capital to carry on business. It was only because
they happened to have substantial funds waiting to pay taxes that they

were able to make a large subscription for the recent certificate of
indebtedness issue. Feels that companies with surplus funds should be
very much interested in the proposed five-year tap issue; thinks rate on

it incidental as ability to redeem on short notice is of more interest to
corporations.

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9.

Cities Service Company

Mr. E. H. Johnston, Vice President
This holding company has always made a practice of trying to stay

in strong cash position and has never been a holder of short-term securities,

such as certificates of indebtedness, etc.
Mr. Johnston seems to feel that his banks like to see all cash
in his balance sheet and he would only subscribe for certificates of
indebtedness for patriotic reasons. His company has a debt of $150,000,000,
$83,000,000 of which matures on or before 1950; two-thirds of their business

is in oil, the rest being natural gas and production electricity. This
company very much affected by increase in transportation of oil and is

heavily involved in the war effort.
10. Public Service Corporation of New Jersey
Mr. T. W. Van Middlesworth, Treasurer

Would never be interested in anything but certificates of
indebtedness but thinks that proposed short tap issue should be very

attractive to those corporations which are continually in possession of
surplus funds. His company is in the midst of arranging a $15,000,000
loan with the Prudential and other insurance companies..
11. Metropolitan Life Insurance Company
Mr. H. C. Hagerty, Treasurer

Would be very much interested in an eighteen to twenty-year tap

issue on 2 1/2 per cent basis. Did not raise the point about wanting
a higher rate because of the rate obtainable on market issues of the same
maturity. Like Mr. Meyers of the New York Life Insurance Company, feels
that his company would be a steady buyer of certificates of indebtedness if

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issues. Raised the question about insurance laws not permitting his
company to purchase issues which could not be redeemed for a year, or
sold in the market. Mr. Stedman of the Prudential Insurance Company

also raised this point but both assumed that this provision in the law
might be changed.

12. General Electric Company

Mr. J. W. Lewis, Treasurer
Talked to Mr. Lewis at Schenectady by telephone inasmuch as

he is not in New York on Thursday or Friday. He said that his company's
cash position is so indefinite, because of the constant demands on it

due to the war effort, that it could not consider investing in anything
running for more than one year. Does not feel that proposed five-year

tap issue should be attractive to corporations generally as he thinks
they should be in position to get cash on a moment's notice.
General Electric Company has two large pension funds, both

of which would be very much interested in the five-year as well as the
twenty-year tap issue.

13. Eastern Air Lines
Mr. Warren Moore, Assistant Treasurer

Would be very much interested in a five-year tap issue and would

probably hold for duration of war as would be unable until then to
invest cash in necessary new equipment. Feels that other air lines
would have same point of view. Have been investing in General Motors

acceptances, certificates of indebtedness and other short-term marketable
securities.

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14. Julius Kayser and Company

Mr. Albert G. Flume, Treasurer and Comptroller

His company's business is divided 60 per cent hosiery, 20
per cent gloves and 20 per cent underwear. Because of rationing of
nylon, rayon, etc. inventories are decreasing and cash account is

correspondingly increasing. This condition will continue until company

is able to convert some of its activities into war work. This is not
easy for them to do because of the character of business and the type
of machines used.

Mr. Flume feels that a short-term tap issue would be very
attractive and will probably want to subscribe to from $250,000 to
$300,000. He is very anxious to maintain his balances with his banks

to insure ample lines of credit so that when the war is over they
will be able to resume normal operations. His company has payroll
allotment plan in operation and results have been much better than they
had anticipated.

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MEMORANDUM
April 25, 1942.
RE: INVESTMENT OF IDLE BUSINESS FUNDS
FIVE-YEAR TAP ISSUE

The following people were interviewed at the Chicago Federal
Reserve Bank on Thursday and Friday, April 23 and 24, 1942:
1. Household Finance Company

D. F. McClure, Secretary
2. General American Tank Car Corporation

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Max Epstein, Chairman
3. Peoples Gas Light & Coke Company
James A. Cunningham, Vice President
4. Montgomery Ward & Company

H. L. Pearson, Treasurer

5. Bowman Dairy Company

D. B. Peck, President
6. Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad Company
Ralph Budd, President

7. Ell Lilly & Company

N. H. Noyes, Vice President

8. Belden Manufacturing Company
Whipple Jacobs, President

9. Marshall Field & Company
Earl Kribben, Secretary-Treasuren

10. U. S. Gypsum Company

C. H. Shaver, Treasurer
11. Chicago Surface Lines

John E. Sullivan, Treasurer
1. Household Finance Company. Mr. McClure states that
their last balance sheet shows accounts and notes receivable of

$85,000,000. On the liability side the company has capital stock
and surplus of $48,000,000 of which $18,000,000 is preferred
stock callable at $107. The balance is represented in common

stock which is currently selling $8 under its book value. In
addition, the company has $7,000,000 in reserves and also approx-

imately $30,000,000 bank loans. The bank debt is divided roughly
into $16,000,000 maturing in 120 days and the balance of $14,000,000

is represented by term loans running from one to four years.

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MEMORANDUM

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April 25, 1942.
RE: INVESTMENT OF IDLE BUSINESS FUNDS
FIVE-YEAR TAP ISSUE

The following people were interviewed at the Chicago Federal
Reserve Bank on Thursday and Friday, April 23 and 24, 1942:
1. Household Finance Company
D. F. McClure, Secretary
2. General American Tank Car Corporation
Max Epstein, Chairman
3. Peoples Gas Light & Coke Company
James A. Cunningham, Vice President
4. Montgomery Ward & Company

H. L. Pearson, Treasurer
D. B. Peck, President
6. Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad Company
Ralph Budd, President
7.
Eli Lilly & Company
N. H. Noyes, Vice President
5. Bowman Dairy Company

8.

Belden Manufacturing Company

Whipple Jacobs, President

9. Marshall Field & Company
Earl Kribben, Secretary-Treasurer
10. U. S. Gypsum Company
C. H. Shaver, Treasurer
11. Chicago Surface Lines
John E. Sullivan, Treasurer
1. Household Finance Company. Mr. McClure states that

their last balance sheet shows accounts and notes receivable of

$85,000,000. On the liability side the company has capital stock
and surplus of $48,000,000 of which $18,000,000 is preferred
stock callable at $107. The balance is represented in common

stock which is currently selling $8 under its book value. In
addition, the company has $7,000,000 in reserves and also approx-

imately $30,000,000 bank loans. The bank debt is divided roughly
into $16,000,000 maturing in 120 days and the balance of $14,000,000

is represented by term loans running from one to four years.

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The Household Finance Company is engaged in what they term remedial

loan business as distinguished from installment loans. Mr. McClure
expects that with the present Federal Reserve regulations, receivables during the next year will decrease about 10%. The
company probably will follow a practice of reducing capital and
borrowed money in about the same proportion. While the company

has substantial cash balances, a large part of their cash is
represented in deposits with banks as compensating balances

against money borrowed. Unless there is drastic reduction in
receivables to a point where the borrowings would be extinguished,

Mr. McClure sees little likelihood of their having funds for investment.

2. General American Tank Car Corporation. Mr. Epstein says
that their cash has been increased in recent months due to their

inability to secure materials. The company's annual depreciation
amounts to approximately $6,000,000. of this amount, roughly
$3,500,000 is used to meet maturities of equipment trust certificates,
leaving an unexpended balance of around $2,500,000. Mr. Epstein

did not buy Certificates of Indebtedness recently offered because
he felt the rate was low and after paying taxes he would receive

little more compensation than the cost of handling. He likes
very much the short tap issue and said his company would be will-

ing to invest a substantial part of their depreciation reserve in
the new bond issue. He does not feel it necessary to pay interest
on bonds redeemed during the first six months, stating that he feels
funds invested for this short period should be regarded in the same
light as bank balances upon which the company receives no intorest.

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3. Peoples Gas Light & Coke Company. Mr. Cunningham states

that their cash balances today are approximately $7,000,000. In
the normal conduct of their business they only require a working
balance of $2,000,000. Their annual depreciation amounts to approximately $3,500,000. Under normal conditions this amount will
be expended annually on capital improvements. During the current
year they do not expect to expend more than $1,500,000 because of

their inability to secure materials. Mr. Cunningham believes
their cash will increase by the end of the year to $11,000,000.
Outside of funds expended to extinguish company debt, he does not

look for any appreciable reduction in cash resulting from improvements. Mr. Cunningham believes much of the added power require-

ments of industry will be provided through diversion of power from
nonessential sources. He is very much interested in the short tap
issue and believes his company could well afford to invest a sub-

stantial portion of their excess cash in this issue. The War
Production Board may request Peoples Gas Light & Coke Company to

expand their coke producing facilities to take care of added requirements of the steel industry. Should this expansion become
necessary, it would require between $3,000,000 and $3,500,000.

4. Montgomery Ward & Company. Mr. Pearson states that their
receivables today are down about $20,000,000 from the high point

last year. Inventory values during the same period increased approximately in the same ratio the receivables have declined. He

expects that if the regulations governing installment sales are
not changed, receivables will decline further during the present
year at the rate of around $1,000,000 a month. He expects that

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inventories during the remainder of the year will probably decrease
approximately $30,000,000. Should the Treasury's present tax pro-

gram go into effect this year, their tax liability is estimated between $45,000,000 and $50,000,000. The company has purchased so

far this year approximately $7,000,000 of Tax Savings Notes. This
amount, together with cash produced by reduction in inventory and

receivables, will cover their tax liability. Mr. Pearson states
that they will continue to buy Tax Savings Notes the remainder of

the year but, unless there is a very sharp curtailment in goods
available, he does not expect they will have surplus cash for purchase of other Government obligations.
5. Bowman Dairy Company. The company is owing its banks

approximately $3,000,000 as a result of added working capital requirements necessitated by Government business. The company has

recently secured a substantial contract for dried eggs and dried

milk. As long as these contracts are in force, Dr. Peck sees little
chance of their reducing bank loans substantially and, therefore,
they will not have funds for investment.
6. Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad Company. Mr. Budd
states that the company has cash balances at present of approximately
$21,000,000 of which $10,000,000 is required as working balance.
Sometime ago the company sold $9,000,000 of equipment trust cer-

tificates covering the cost of 3,500 new freight cars. Due to

priorities, it appears unlikely that they will be able to build
more than two-thirds of the cars. The equipment trust certificates
are held by an eastern insurance company and Mr. Budd believes they

may be able to pay off the unused portion. Failing in this, he

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believes the trustee holding the funds might invest the full
amount in a five-year tap issue. The company also has outstand-

ing $3,500,000 of an original $7,000,000 trust certificate issue
which they are considering redeeming prior to maturity. The company
has a general bond issue maturing in 1949, which presently is selling below par. Under the Revenue Act the company has to return for
taxes any amount saved through the purchase of bonds below par.

Mr. Budd states there is a bill pending in Congress now to provide
that discount on bonds purchased not be returned as profit for
taxes. He hopes the bill will be acted on favorably inasmuch as
it is not producing revenue for the Government and prevents railroads from paying off indebtednesses at a time when bonds are available below par. If the company does not redeem bonds, he would in-

vest available funds in a five-year tap issue. Mr. Budd estimates
equipment trust certificates covering 40,000 cars at a cost of $3,000
each, or $120,000,000, are in the hands of insurance companies and

the funds are frozen with the trustee on account of priorities. He
sees some likelihood that the railroads may approach the insurance

companies to permit them to retire the obligations. The result
would be that the insurance companies would have $120,000,000 new

cash for investment. Mr. Budd believes that the railroads like
Missouri Pacific, Northwestern, St. Paul and Rock Island, which
have undergone reorganization probably have more substantial funds

for investment than the other roads in good financial condition.
He does not know whether or not the trustees would be at liberty

to buy Government obligations and does not altogether feel that it

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largely be paid out following reorganization, resulting in large
redemption of the Government issues.

Mr. Budd states that they have signed up something like 90% of

their 24,000 employees for the Payroll Savings Plan. The average

earning of their employees is $2,000 annually. He believes that they
will buy approximately $480,000 of Series E bonds per month which is

at the rate of $5,700,000 per year, or roughly 12% of the payroll.
7. Eli Lilly & Company. Mr. Noyes states that his company is
holding approximately $500,000 in Tax Savings Notes and he recently

subscribed for $1,500,000 of Certificates of Indebtedness. It has
been a policy of the company not to buy any Government securities

maturing beyond two years. Mr. Noyes says that their annual depre-

ciation is $450,000. In the last two years they have expended as high
as $700,000 necessary on account of war work. He does not think these
expenditures will continue at the same rate in the future and would be

very glad to invest their surplus funds in a five-year tap issue. He
likes very much the guaranteed market and the short redemption date.
8. Belden Manufacturing Company. Mr. Jacobs states that they
purchased last year $300,000 of Tax Savings Notes. During 1942 the
company contemplates paying 1941 taxes out of current income. In
addition, they expect to buy $50,000 a month of Tax Savings Notes
out of 1942 income which, together with the $300,000 Tax Notes now

held, will provide funds for tax payments due in 1943 on 1942 income.
The company's annual depreciation amounts to $200,000, very little
of which Mr. Jacobs thinks they will spend. While their present

program for tax reserves will not permit investment of their

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depreciation during the next six or eight months, he believes it
would be wise for his company to buy monthly the short tap issue

up to the amount of their annual depreciation. In addition he
would like to set up a reserve for post war plant conversion and
believes the short tap issue would be particularly adaptable for
this purpose.

9. Marshall Field & Company. This company has no available

cash for investment. At the present time their working balances
amount to $9,000,000. Mr. Kribben states that outstanding commitments on inventory for delivery prior to October will reduce
balances as of October 1 to $3,000,000. Their inventory is up 28%
over a year ago of which he estimates 18% is represented by price
increases. The company charges $2,400,000 annually against depre-

ciation. Of this amount, they spent $1,200,000 last year in improvements. The remainder was used to retire outstanding bonds
held by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company. The company's
Federal tax on 1941 income amounted to $5,500,000 against which

they are holding $2,000,000 of Tax Savings Notes. Mr. Kribben

believes next year they will be able to spend very little of their
depreciation and therefore would be glad to buy the five-year tap
issue.

10. U. S. Gypsum Company. Mr. Shaver states they they have
approximately $5,000,000 excess cash based on present volume. He

doubts that they will be able to spend any of the $2,500,000 depreciation reserve under present conditions. While he questions
the desirability of the Government expanding the amount of demand
obligations outstanding, he believes his Finance Committee would

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look with favor on the five-year tap issue. If it is decided to
offer this type of bond to corporations, Mr. Shaver states that
they would be inclined to purchase monthly an amount of the issue

equivalent to their depreciation reserves.
11. Chicago Surface Lines. The Chicago Surface Lines have
impounded approximately $20,000,000, which represents depreciation

accrued at the rate of 8% of gross receipts since 1907. These funds

are tied up under a court order but it is expected they will be released by June 1 of this year. In addition, the company has special
reserves of something over $2,000,000. It is expected a reorganiza-

tion will be effected sometime after the middle of the year and,
while it was originally contemplated a substantial part of the
reserve would be spent on improvements, Mr. Sullivan believes that
the company could well afford to purchase a substantial amount of

the five-year tap issue to hold until such time as they can use
the funds for rehabilitation of the property.

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Mr. Thompson talked to Secretary about

this today and will talk to him again

later.

4/28/42

Mr. Thompson reported to HM Jr at 9:30

meeting. He is to check weekly on official
cars and let HM Jr know of any change.
See also his memo of 4/27.

We Finished 5/29/4a-

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April 25, 1942

TO:

MR. THOMPSON

FROM:

THE SECRETARY

At Cabinet, Secretary Ickes brought up the
question of the use of Government cars; that we ought
to cut down on them, and the President said he thought
the Government should set a good example.

Have we tried to organize automobile clubs
whereby people living in the same neighborhood would
club together on coming to the Treasury?

Please talk to me about this and the use of
the cars that are at my private entrance.

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4/25/72
MEMORANDUM

TO:

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM:

Mr. Sullivan

Jhs

Re: The "Glass Plan"
=

The so-called "Glass Plan" is essentially a
proposal to include income from tax-exempt securities

in the total income of a taxpayer in determining the

rate of tax to be applied to the taxable income.
Under the Plan originally advocatei in the
Annual Report of the Secretary of the Treasury for
1919, a tentative surtax would be computed upon the

entire net income of a taxpayer, including exempt

interest on public obligations. The surtax payable
would then be an amount bearing the same ratio to

taxable net income as the tentative surtax bears to

the entire net income. This method gives effect to
the exemption at the average surtax rates, and taxes
the taxable income at the average rates.

A variation of the plan is to compute surtax
upon the entire net income of the bondholder,
including tax-exempt interest and from the tax so

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-2computed to subtract the surtax on an amount equal

to the exempt interest. This method would give
effect to the exemption at the lowest surtax rates

rather than at the highest rates, as is the case
under present law. The latter proposal was
mentioned by Mr. Roswell Magill in an address
before the Thirtieth Annual Conference on Taxation
in Baltimore, Maryland, on October 28, 1937.

To illustrate the two proposals, consider
Taxpayer A who has an income of $100,000 for the

taxable year, $50,000 of which is interest from
tax-exempt securities. Under existing law he would

pay a surtax of $19,380, or a rate of 38.8 percent
upon the taxable income. Under the terms of the

original "Glass Plan," the effective rate of surtax upon an income of $100,000 would be ascertained,

and this percentage would be applied against the
taxable income in computing the surtax of $24,890

or 49.8 percent upon the taxable income. The
alternate proposal would impose a surtax on the taxable income equal to the excess of the surtax upon

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-3$100,000 over the surtax payable on an income of

$50,000. Under current rates the surtax of Taxpayer A would be $30,400 or 60.8 percent of the
taxable income.

In view of the power of the Federal Government

to tax the entire amount of interest upon outstanding State and municipal obligations, there can be

little question as to the constitutionality of the
"Glass Plan" and its variation as applied to tax-

payers receiving such interest. It is very questionable, however, whether the Plan can be constitutionally
applied with respect to tax-exempt interest upon
Federal obligations.

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April 25, 1942
TO:

MR. KUHN

FROM:

THE SECRETARY

You will remember that, yesterday, Gen. Searle
said they intercepted a Japanese farmers' broadcast

directing them in case of parachutists landing on
Japan that first a leg should be cut off and then their

arms and then their heads.

It seems to me that we ought to get hold of

a transcript of this and use it quickly in either the

Star Parade or in some of our literature.

I think that you ought to make arrangements
to see that somebody gets these Japanese intercepts and

whenever there is anything of this nature that we pick

up from Japan or Germany It should be used.

Please let me know in writing who you designate
to watch these foreign intercepts, and as they come in
I would like to see them myself.

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April 25, 1942.

Dan Bell
Secretary Morgenthau

CONFIDENTIAL

I saw the wife of the American Consul General from
Java who tells me that she landed in New Orleans a

week ago, and that on her ship was all the gold from
Java. If that's correct, do you know what has happened

to it? Please let me know.

See Bell's memo / 4/20/20.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 25, 1942
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

Mr. D. W. Bell

with reference to the inquiry regarding gold from Java, Mr. Dietrich informs me that on April 12 the SS TJITJALENGKA arrived at New Orleans with 25 drums

containing double eagles having a face value of $1,500,000 and a bullion value of
$2,539,000. In accordance with instructions received from Dr. Loudon, the
Netherlands Minister, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York arranged for the transshipment of this gold from New Orleans to New York and placed it under earmark at
the Federal for account of De Javasche Bank, Batavia, on April 20.

Mr. Dietrich also informs me that the Federal was told by the Funch Edye
Steamship Company that this shipment originally contained 100 drums, but that 75

druns were taken off the ship at some point in Australia, for delivery to the
Commonwealth Bank of Australia. If the contents of these drums were the same as
those received in New York, they contained double eagles having a face value of
$4,500,000 and a bullion value of $7,600,000.

DWB
SALES

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APR 25 1942

Dear Mr. Henderson:

This is in reply to your letter of April 17 in which you

refer to a report you received from Handy and Harmon to the

effect that there is a strong likelihood that the open market
price of silver may advance rapidly in the near future.
Though the dollar price of silver has probably been more
stable than that of any other metal (except gold) since July 10,

1939, it is not unlikely that the price of silver may rise in

the coming months. The price of silver has remained at approxinately 35 cents, even though the Treasury has been out of the

market for foreign silver for five months. This would seen to
suggest that the demand for silver at current prices has not

been significantly greater than the market can supply. However,
if the supply of silver continues to decline and the domand

continues to increase, either relatively or absolutely, it

might be worthwhile for the Mar Production Hoard to explore

the possibilities of ourtailing same of the non-essential uses

for silver.

The only large sources of supply that are not now available for industrial uses are newly-ained domestic silver which
is purchased by the Treasury at 71.11 cents an ounce in compliance with the Act of July 6, 1939, and the Treasury nonetary
stock of silver. Neither of these sources of supply, however,
can be made available to the market without Congressional

action. Were Congress to decide to modify the existing silver

legislation so as to permit the Treasury to sell silver, or

give the Treasury discretionary powers in the purchasing of
domestic silver it would, of course, be possible to prevent
the rise of the price of silver beyond any selected level.
Very truly yours,

!gaed) B. Morgenthan, Jr.

I

Secretary of the Treasury
Mr. Leon Henderson,

Administrator,

office of Price Administration,
Washington, D. C.
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OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION
WASHINGTON, D.C.

April 17, 1942

LEON HENDERSON

The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.
Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.
My

dear Mr. Secretary:

My attention has been called to the fact that there is a
strong likelihood that the open market price for silver may advance
rapidly in the near future. Mr. Gustav H. Niemeyer, of Handy and
Harman, the predominant firm in this field, states that this is
primarily due to three factors:
(1) Increased demand of silver for war purposes;
(2) Increased demand for civilian purposes to replace essential
metals now requisitioned for war purposes;
(3) Some tendency for foreign imports to decline.
The Office of Price Administration must, of course, give
careful attention to any price which shows a tendency to rise. At
present prices considerable amounts of silver can be used for defense
purposes, thus relieving somewhat the pressure on metals for which
critical shortages exist. If the demand for luxury goods using silver

forces the price up, then the substitution of silver for other metals
for war purposes may well be seriously impeded.

Prompt action may be necessary if silver prices are to be
kept from advancing. I shall welcome any suggestions you may have on
this matter.
Sincerely yours,

Leon Henderson
Leon Henderson

Administrator

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THE UNDER SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
WASHINGTON

April 25, 1942

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Senator McCarren of Nevada has called me on two different

occasions asking if the Treasury is planning to recommend to

the Congress that the silver legislation be repealed. I have
told him that you have expressed your views on this matter on a
number of occasions before committees in Congress and I have
no knowledge of any plan to submit a recommendation on the matter.

He asked me to ascertain from you if there were such a plan

in mind and if so could he have a conference with you before any
such proposed legislation is submitted.

DWB

ROPDEFENSE

BUY
UNITED
STATES

SWINGS

BONDS

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finished
will

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April 25, 1942

TO:

DR. WHITE

FROM:

THE SECRETARY

How about silver legislation?

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APR 25 1942

My dear Mr. Vinson:

Receipt is acknowledged of your letter

of April 16, 1942, enclosing a copy of the report
of the Naval Affairs Investigating Committee on
the fire and capsising of the U. S. S. LAFAYETTE,
formerly the T. E. L. NORMANDIE.

Your courtesy in making a copy of that

report available to me is greatly appreciated.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) M. Morgentban. Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.

Honorable Carl Vinson,
House of Representatives.

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4/21/42

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SEVENTY SEVENTH CONGRESS

EDMUND M TOLAND
GENERAL

ROOM 527 HOUSE OFFICE

House of Representatives H.S.
Nabal Affairs Inbestigating Committee
Washington, D.C.

April 16, 1942

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury

Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I have the honor to herewith transmit for your information and guidance

a copy of the report of the Naval Affairs Investigating Committee on the fire and capsizing
of the U.S.S. "Lafayette", formerly the T.E.L.
"Normandie".

The report was unanimously

adopted by the Committee, with a reservation, as

stated in the record, by Committee Members Shannon
and Bradley.

Very truls yours,

Carl Vinson
Chairman

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(No. 206)
(

REPORT ON THE FIRE AND CAPSIZING

OF THE U.S.S. "LAFAYETTE"

REPORT
OF THE

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON NAVAL AFFAIRS
ON THE

FIRE AND CAPSIZING OF THE U. S. S. "LAFAYETTE,"
FORMERLY THE IT.E.L "NORMANDIE"

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
SEVENTY SEVENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
PURSUANT TO

H. Res. 162
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COMMITTEE ON

MILITARY AFFAIRS AND THE COMMITTEE ON
NAVAL AFFAIRS TO STUDY THE PROGRESS
OF THE NATIONAL-DEFENSE PROGRAM

Printed for the use of the Committee on Naval Affairs

[No. 206]

( REPORT ON THE FIRE AND CAPSIZING

OF THE U.S.S. "LAFAYETTE"

REPORT
OF THE

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON
NAVAL AFFAIRS
ON THE
FIRE AND CAPSIZING OF THE U.S.S. "LAFAYETTE."
FORMERLY THE T.E.L. "NORMANDIE"

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
SEVENTY-SEVENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
PURSUANT TO

H. Res. 162
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COMMITTEE ON
MILITARY AFFAIRS AND THE COMMITTEE ON
NAVAL AFFAIRS TO STUDY THE PROGRESS
OF THE NATIONAL-DEFENSE PROGRAM

Printed for the use of the Committee on Naval Affairs

UNITED STATES

GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
*06266

WASHINGTON : 1942

MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, COMMITTEE ON NAVAL
AFFAIRS, INVESTIGATING FIRE AND CAPSIZING OF THE U.S.R.
"LAFAYETTE" (EX-"NORMANDIE')
ED. V. IZAO
LANSDALE G. BASSCER

JAMES J. HEFFERNAN

PATRICK H. DREWRY, Chairman
MELVIN J. MAAS
JAMES W. MOTT
GEORGE J. BATES

EDMUND M. TOLAND, General Counsel, Naral Affairs Incestigating Committee
WILLIAM G. SYMMERS, Special Counsel to the Subcommittee
JOSEPH F. KELLY, Special Investigator for the Subcommittee

(II)

CONTENTS
I. Introduction
1. The investigation
2. History and description of the Normandie
II. The evidence
1. The Coast Guard
(a) The Coast Guard fire detail
(b) Fire drills
2. Requisition by Maritime Commission and transfer to Navy
(a) Inventories and surveys of fire-fighting equipment
3. The conversion contract
(a) Directive of Bureau of Ships
(b) Robins' fire watch
(c) Aliens

(d) Relationship between contractor's employees and
Navy personnel

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(e) Limitation of contractor's liability
4. The prospective Navy crew

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5. Dates for conversion completion

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6. The fire

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(a) Events leading up to the fire
(b) Activities at the fire
(c) Engineers Department
(d) Fire doors
(e) Responsibility and command at the fire
(f) New York City Fire Department

7. The capsizing

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III. Conclusions from the evidence

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IV. Recommendations

(III)

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REPORT OF SUBCOMMITTEE OF COMMITTEE ON NAVAL AFFAIRS

ON THE FIRE AND CAPSIZING OF THE U. S. S. "LAFAYETTE,"
FORMERLY THE T. E. L. "NORMANDIE"
I. INTRODUCTION

1. The investigation.

Under authority oi House Resolution 162 of April 2, 1941, and pursuant to a resolution introduced in the Naval Affairs Committee by
Representative Bates, of Massachusetts, on February 19, 1942, a
subcommittee of the Naval Affairs Committee was appointed to investigate and report on the facts and circumstances of the fire on the
U.S.S. Lafayette, formerly and hereinafter called the Normandie,
which burned and capsized at New York on February 9, 1942. The
resolution being approved by the committee unanimously, the chairman, Mr. Vinson, appointed the following subcommittee: Patrick H.
Drewry, chairman, Edouard V. M. Izac, Lansdale G. Sasscer, James
J. Heffernan, Melvin J. Maas, James W. Mott, George J. Bates.
This committee met on the afternoon of the day on which they
were appointed, and planned its procedure for the investigation. It

appointed Mr. William G. Symmers of New York as its special
counsel. The following weeks hearings were held in Washington,
and the ground work was laid with general statements from representatives of the Navy Department, the Attorney General's office
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Coast Guard, and the Maritime Commission. The next 2 weeks hearings were held in New
York, where full and complete investigation was made of all the facts

and circumstances surrounding the burning. The investigation

included a general survey of conditions bearing on the protection of
the water front in general from fire and sabotage. Witnesses included
Admiral Adolphus Andrews, commandant of the Third Naval District,
representatives of the district material office, and the Coast Guard.
Representatives of the Fire and Police Departments of New York
City, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Office of Naval Intelligence, the contractor, Robins Dry Dock & Repair Co., and some
subcontractors were called. In addition, representatives of newspapers, including reporters who had written the news stories, and
others whom the committee were informed, by many sources, could

throw some light on the investigation, testified. In all, approximately 58 witnesses appeared before the committee and statements
were obtained from approximately 300 additional witnesses by the
committee's special counsel and investigators. In addition, the committee incorporated into its record the results of independent investigations conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Bureau
of Fire Protection of the New York City Fire Department, the police
department, and the Collector of the Port of New York.
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The investigation was most thorough and complete, the committee
concentrating on its effort to obtain the facts and receiving the
prompt and courteous cooperation and assistance from all of the most
cies above mentioned. In this connection, also, the committee wishes agento acknowledge the valued assistance and cooperation of Mr. Symmers,

as counsel, and Joseph F. Kelly, of the United States Maritime Commission, who served as investigator to the committee.
The committee's report of the facts with reference to the Normandie
and
fire isthe
as important
follows: events leading up to and including the day of the

2. History and description of the "Normandie."
In the competitive struggle between the nations of the world to
build the world's "largest, finest, and fastest" ship, the Normandie
was the answer of France. England afterward put in rival claim with
the Queen Mary and the Queen Elizabeth. The keel of the Normandie
was laid at St. Nazaire, France, in 1931. She was launched in 1932,
and completed her first trans-Atlantic crossing in the summer of 1935.
Because of threats and the subsequent advent of war between
France and Germany, the Normandie had remained in idle status at
her berth, pier 88, North River, New York City, since August 1939,
The Normandie is a quadruple-screw turbo-electric vessel 1,027
feet in length, of 80,000 gross tons, with 160,000 horsepower and
capable of a speed of over 30 knots. Her normal crew complement
was about 1,345 officers and men and she had a passenger capacity
of 1,972. Her normal cargo capacity was 11,800 deadweight tons.
The Normandie had a sun deck, a boat deck, a promenade deck, a
main deck and seven decks lettered from A to G, both inclusive, below

the main deck. The promenade deck was devoted principally to
passengers' staterooms and recreation rooms and contained a grand
salon or lounge amidships. The fire started in the salon.
The Normandie was not a fireproof vessel, nor is it likely she was
ever considered such, although she was constructed under specifications aimed to make her as fireproof as was deemed by her builders at

the time practicable and commensurate with the requirements of &
luxury passenger liner.
The Normandie was equipped with an elaborate fire-detection sys-

tem. She was divided into four main sections, each a separate

unit for the fighting of a fire and intended to isolate any fire in that
section. The four sections were marked roughly by the four main
transverse watertight bulkheads which extended from the keel to
points approximately 8 feet above the waterline. So-called fireproof
bulkheads and fire-retardant doors extended more or less vertically

upward from the four main watertight bulkheads. The various
decks and bulkheads divided the four sections of the ship into approxi-

mately 36 subsections and the ship was further divided into 126
elementary fire sections.

The heart of the fire-prevention system was a central fire-control
station on B deck, at which a watch was maintained and from which a
fire-patrol system was supervised. It was customary at all times for
the French Line to have at least one man stationed in the fire-control
station and for members of the fire detail of the crew to patrol the ship.

Their progress was noted on. the control board of the central fire
station by a series of lights which indicated their progress as the men

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made rounds and progressively pushed buttons at 84 substations
throughout the ship. When a round was completed, the lights of the
control board could be cleared and a new round would be commenced.

In addition to the members of the fire detail making the patrols, a
fire brigade composed of members of the fire detail not on patrol duty

or duty at the fire-control station, had quarters on the main deck.
The presence of a fire, detected by a member of the fire patrol, could
be reported to the central fire-control station and to this fire brigade
by telephone or by the ringing of an alarm which sounded in the main
fire station, and in the quarters occupied by officers and men of the
fire brigade.

There were about 224 ship's fire alarms, of which at least one was
fitted in each elementary fire section.
In the event of a serious fire, and for use in connection with general

fire drills to be participated, in by the entire French crew, the ship
was also equipped with a Klaxon general fire alarm system designed
to be heard generally throughout the ship; this could be turned in on
the bridge.

As a further precaution when the Normandie was in New York,
the French Line leased from the American District Telegraph Co. a
telegraphic alarm box. It was installed on the bridge, and provided
a direct telegraphic alarm system to the New York Fire Department.
The ship had 32 main fire cupboards and 211 general fire cupboards.
The main fire cupboards were each equipped with two portable Rodeo
sets of extinguishing apparatus, and such items of fire-fighting equipment as helmets, gas masks, special nozzles, extra lengths of hose, and
tools. There were 504 hose connections, of which two were located

at each of the respective 211 general fire cupboards, which also

(

contained portable fluid extinguishers of 2.2 gallons.
On the north side of pier 88 there were 74 fire hose outlets, to which
2 1/2 inch hoses could be hooked up, with city water pressure.
II. THE EVIDENCE

1. The Coast Guard.

The French Line remained in possession of the Normandie, which
was commanded by French officers and manned by a French crew,
until May 15, 1941. Then the Treasury Department, acting under
international law, ordered a detail of about 150 Coast Guard men on
the vessel and at pier 88 to insure her safety and guard against
sabotage. On November 1, 1941, the Coast Guard was transferred

from the Treasury to the Navy Department, but its organization

remained intact, and the detail on the Normandie was continued.

On December 12, 1941, the Coast Guard, acting on directions authorized by the Chief of Naval Operations, removed the French crew from
the vessel and took complete possession and control.

From May 15 until December 12 it had been the practice of the
Coast Guard detail on the Normandie merely to stand guard on the
ship. The management of the boilers, machinery, and other equip-

ment was left to the French crew. During this period the Coast

Guard men became as familiar with the ship and her operation as was
practicable in the circumstances, and by observation alone.
After December 12 the Coast Guard assumed the task of maintaining
steam, the duties of the fire watch, and all other matters relating to
the maintenance of the ship in idle status. The Coast Guard detail

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was increased, from time to time, so that on the day of the fire there
were 6 Coast Guard officers and 275 Coast Guard men assigned to the
ship.

(a) The Coast Guard fire detail.-The Coast Guard fire detail consisted of 36 men and 4 petty officers assigned for the sole purpose of
fire protection. These men were divided into 4 watches of 9 men each
and were stationed as follows: (1) One petty officer in charge; (2) 1 man
at the security switchboard, central fire-control station: and (3) 8 men

making continual rounds of the four sections of the ship. This
arrangement was patterned on the French system. Those of the

fire detail not on watch. or on leave, remained on call at their quarters
on the main deck, near the main fire locker.
At the time of the fire on February 9 there were 9 members of the
Coast Guard fire detail on watch, and of the other 27 aboard, approximately 8 men had been granted liberty or were absent for some other
cause.

(b) Fire -During the period up to December 12 the Coast
Guard detail did not participate actively in the fire drills held by the
French crew. After December 12 it was customary for members of
the Coast Guard fire detail to hold fire drills as frequently as every
other day. The remaining two hundred and forty-one-odd members
of the Coast Guard crew did not participate in these drills; they had
no fire stations or standing orders in the event of fire.
No thorough systematic check of the fire hoses or fire extinguishers
was made by the Coast Guard, although "spot" checks were made
from time to time of portions of this equipment.
2. Requisition by Maritime Commission and transfer to Navy.
On December 16 the United States Maritime Commission formally
requisitioned the Normandie and took legal title and possession. The
Commission requested the Coast Guard detail to remain aboard, which

it did. On December 24, the Maritime Commission transferred the
Normandie to the Navy Department, and in a letter dated February 7,

1942, the Secretary of the Navy confirmed to the chairman of the
Maritime Commission that the Navy Department had accepted the

vessel and "full responsibility" therefor as of December 16. The
Coast Guard detail was continued.
(a) Inventories and surveys of fire-fighting equipment.-Between

December 17 and 26 the Maritime Commission conducted a joint
inventory with representatives of the French line of the fire-fighting
equipment aboard the Normandie. This inventory was merely to
determine the market value of the equipment, and no tests were made
as to its actual condition.
Some time in January the commander of the Coast Guard crew

requested a representative of the Navy's district material office to
have each of the fire extinguishers on the Normandie weighed to
determine their contents and the necessity of refilling. He was advised that a survey of all fire-extinguishing equipment on the vessel
was to be conducted by a contractor, Walter Kidde & Co.
By January 26, Walter Kidde & Co. had made a survey of the ship's
fire-fighting equipment, and in a letter of the same date, delivered to a
representative of the district material office, reported that only 10 of
the 666 fire extinguishers available as of that date on the vessel were
built according to American design and for which replacement parts
were obtainable.

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reported:
All of the other units are of foreign make and, therefore, any mechanical parts
which might be required to put these extinguishers in first-class condition would

have to be specially made In addition, any identifying marks or
operating data are completely missing from all of the foreign-type equipment so
that, unless the operator was thoroughly familiar with each type extinguisher

there would be considerable loss of time in determining its operation and

application.

The survey report further stated that 98 Rodeo-type extinguishers
were not fitted with safety outlets and did not conform to American

standards.

The survey report further stated that only three or four of the
extinguishers had been tested, and it estimated that only approximately

50 percent of the extinguishers were in good condition. Accordingly,
the company recommended that all of the foreign-type extinguishers
in the ship be replaced with American equipment. No final action as
to replacing the French-type extinguishers was made by the Navy
authorities or by Robins to the date of the fire.

Walter Kidde & Co. was instructed by a representative of the
district material office, however, to replace the French-type hose

connections on the vessel with American-type fittings. The work was
done under the supervision of the district material office, which issued
oral directions that the change-over be systematic so that at all times
there would be either a French-type coupling to fit on the French-type

valve or an American-type coupling to fit on to the American-type

valve at each standpipe or hydrant on the ship. Because of the
incomplete stage of the work on February 9 many of the hoses on the
Normandie still had French couplings.
S. The Conversion Contract.

(a) Directive of Bureau of Ships.-On orders from the Chief of
Naval Operations, the Chief of the Bureau of Ships issued on December 27, a directive to the commandant, Third Naval District, for the

coversion of the Normandie to a naval auxiliary. This directive
stressed urgent need for the vessel and requested that the conversion
be completed at the earliest practicable date; it ordered that the conversion be accomplished with the least possible changes in the existing
ship's structure and installation.
The formal directive had been preceded by oral telephone conversations between representatives of the Bureau of Ships in Washington

and the district material officer of the Third Naval District, whose
responsibility it was, by virtue of his office and position, to supervise
and oversee the work of the conversion contractors. Thus, while the
directive was issued to the commandant, it was actually received by
the district material officer, a member of the commandant's staff. In
this regard, Navy Regulations, article 1482, section 2, General Ad-

ministration, provide:

(1) In the administration of affairs in the District, the commandant shall not
personally supervise the details of the work or administration of the several
groups or units, but will transact necessary business with the officer commanding

the group or unit. These groupe or units will be coordinated and every effort
will be made to develop complete unification and cooperation among the several
groups or units in regard to all matters requiring joint action
(4) (a) The responsibility for the organization and efficient
operation
of all
officer
the
with
rests
administrative units within naval district,

in

direct command of such units.

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(b) In the administration of affairs with his district, the commandant shall
direct, nor shall he be responsible for the technical work being carried on by not
of the various organizations, but the head of each administrative unit will any
him informed regarding the general nature and scope of the work carried on keep and
supply him with all information that will be of value in formulating plans
for the coordination of all naval activities within the district,
(d) Communications relating entirely to the technical work of any of the estab.
lishments
referred to in paragraph 4 (a) shall be carried on direct with the Bureau
or station concerned.

Acting under the directive of December 27, the district material
officer, with the approval of the Bureau of Ships, arranged for the
conversion work to be done under contract with Robins Dry Dock &

Repair Co., a subsidiary corporation of Todd Shipyards, Inc. Because
the Normandie was too large to be accommodated at any drydock or
shipyard in the New York area, it was decided that the work would
be accomplished at pier 88, which was considered, for the purpose of
the conversion, as being an "extension" of the Robins shipyard
the
The district material officer assigned a lieutenant commander in
Naval Reserve as his naval inspector on the Normandie. This naval

inspector, with nine assistants, was charged with responsibility of
supervising the contractor and allocating the specific conversion jobs.
The contract under which Robins agreed to perform the work had
been entered into on September 6, 1940, between Robins and the

Bureau of Supplies and Accounts of the Navy. It was known as a
time and material contract. It was a blanket contract under which
the contractor could be assigned work from time to time for a consideration to be determined as each job arose. The form and provisions were the standard in use by the Navy Department for its
various contracts with other shipyards in the New York area and
throughout the country. Under this contract, Robins agreed to do

the specified conversion work for a maximum estimated sum of

$3,890,005.

Article 11 (a) of the contract provided:
The contractor shall exercise the highest possible degree of care to protect the
vessel from fires. To this end the contractor shall maintain an adequate system
of inspection over the activities of welders, burners, riveters, painters, plumbers,
and similar workers, particularly where such activities are undertaken in the
vicinity of the vessel's magazines, fuel-oil tanks, or store rooms containing in-

flammable material. At least four 21/-inch-dismeter hose lines shall

be maintained between the vessel and the shore (two forward and two aft),
ready for immediate use at all times while the vessel is berthed alongside the The
contractor's pier, or in the drydock or on the marine railway
contractor shall maintain a fire watch on the vessel at all times satisfactory to
the naval inspector.

The contract required that at least four 21-inch diameter hose lines
be maintained between the vessel and the shore, two forward and two

aft, "ready for immediate use at all times.' The contractor con-

nected four 21-inch diameter hoses from pier 88 to the Normandie.
They ran from hydrants on the pier to stand-pipes on the forward and
after starboard side of the vessel. These were not standard fire hoses
with nozzles, but they made it possible for pressure from the city
water mains to be hooked into the ship's fire mains and run through
the ship's system.

Todd Shipyards, Inc., the parent or holding company of Robins
and other shipyard corporations, had in its employ a fire superintendent, John T. McElligott, an experienced fire fighter and former

fire commissioner of New York City. He made no survey of the

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Normandie, under the conversion contract, and considered that his
duties were restricted to shipyard activities, in spite of the fact that
the Normandie was being converted under a standard shipyard contract, and pier 88 was considered to all intents and purposes as an
"extension of the shipyard.
(b) Robins' fire watch.-The contract with Robins specified that a
fire watch "satisfactory to the naval inspector" should be present at
all burning and welding operations. Robins' fire watch assigned to
the Normandie consisted in all of a group of unskilled men, who,
according to Mr. McElligott, could learn their job in "10 minutes"
As their title implied, they were more in the nature of fire watchers
than fire fighters and any incipient fire which they could not put out
by primitive methods would have to be left to others.
The Robins' fire watch on February 9 was composed of about 50
men. Their duties were to stand by burning or welding operations,
and to this end 1 member of the fire watch was supposed to be present at each welding or burning job.

(c) Aliens.-The Robins' contract further provided in article 24:
The contractor shall, whenever directed by the Secretary of the Navy, report
to the Navy Department the citizenship, the country of birth, or the alien status
of any or all of his employees at the plant, factory, or site of the work and/or
materials covered by this contract.

On December 18, 1941, the district material officer submitted a

questionnaire to all naval contractors in the Third Naval District
requesting a list of the names, addresses, and nationalities of all aliens
employed by the contractor, together with other information relating
to such employees. Robins duly responded to this questionnaire, and
the district material officer forwarded Robins' list of alien employees
to the district naval intelligence office. In addition to the 1,750 employees of Robins on the day of the fire, there were 675 employees of
some 30 subcontractors. No list of subcontractors' employees was
requested by or submitted to the Navy prior to the fire, nor was any
investigation made with respect to them. A list of the subcontractors
is contained in appendix A hereto.
On the day of the fire, Robins employed one enemy alien on the

Normandie, and his employment had been approved by the Navy
Department. There were four enemy aliens, and a number of employees whose alien status was uncertain, employed by subcontractors.

Their names had not been submitted to the Navy Department for
approval. Subsequent investigation of such aliens by the Federal
Bureau of Investigation does not indicate that any of them were engaged in subversive activities.

I On the day of the fire there were approximately 80 burning or welding Jobs to be undertaken in various
parts of the ship: there were approximately 111 burners and welders, some of whom were working in groups

or on jobs within close proximity of one another, in which cases only 1 fire watch would be assigned
to stand by the entire group. They were customarily equipped with 1 or more 3-gallon water buckets
and where operations were conducted in the vicinity of Inflammable materials, they were also supposed
to be equipped with circular metal shields and asbestos sheets to ward off the flying sparks and to have such

fire-fighting equipment as might be adequate, in the circumstances. What was adequate was left to the

discretion of the fire watch.

Testimony of Robins' employees, responsible for or experienced In burning and welding operations
indicates that ordinary prudence and caution would dictate that no burning operations be undertaken
within a distance of 35 feet from inflammable material without adequate safeguards, or within a distance
of 10 to 15 feet even with such safeguards, and in this connection the testimony was that sparks from &
burners' torch customarily may be expected in all directions to distance up to 25 feet. Safeguards in such
circumstances would include a circular metal shield 4 to 414 feet high, together with asbestos sheets held
over the shield and also place d at the base of operations. In addition to this adequate Ire-fighting equipment should be furnished, including at least two buckets of water, a fire extinguisher, and a bose connected
to & standpipe and capable of immediate use,

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(d) Relationship between contractor's employees and Navy personnel.

Article 27 (c) of the contract provided:

Naval personnel assigned to duty on the vessel undergoing repairs and/or
alterations shall be permitted on the vessel at all times, but such personnel shall

not interfere with the work covered by job orders, or with the contractor's
workmen in the prosecution of such work.

In keeping with this provision of the contract, neither the commanding officer of the Coast Guard detail, nor the commanding officer
of the prospective naval crew had any authority to interfere with the
manner in which Robins' employees or subcontractors performed the
work. All suggestions in this connection had to be submitted to the
naval inspector, who, in his discretion, could accede to or reject any
suggestions made.

(e) Limitation of contractor's liability.-Article 12 of the contract
purported to limit the contractor's liability for
any and all damage of whatsoever nature

that results from his fault

or negligence-

to an amount not in excess of $300,000. It further provided that the
amount wouldbe determined by the Chief of the Bureau of Ships after negotiations with the
contractor, provided the amount is adequate in the judgment of the Bureau of
Ships to protect the interests of the Government.

No adjustment was made by the Bureau of Ships to increase the
limitation of the contractor's liability from $300,000 even though the
conversion work involved an estimated expenditure of nearly $4,000,000 on a vessel said to be valued at approximately $53,000,000. The
explanation of the Chief of Bureau of Ships for this is that the cost of
a contractor's insurance would, in any event, be absorbed by the
Government under the contract, and that it was in keeping with the
Navy Department's practice of "self-insurance" not to require the
limitation amount to be raised.
4. The prospective Navy crew.
On January 31, 1942, Capt. Robert C. Coman, United States Navy,

reported to the Normandie as the prospective commanding officer
under orders to be prepared to assume command on the date set for
the vessel's commissioning, February 11. Under him was assigned a

skeleton force, mostly engineer ratings, wnich was gradually augmented until February 9 the prospective naval crew was about 500,
less than half the number required for efficient operation of the vessel
at sea. Of these 500 men, the majority had not been on the vessel
more than 2 or 3 days at the time of the fire.
Until the date set for the actual commissioning of the vessel, the
prospective commanding officer and his crew had no affirmative duties
aboard the ship other than to attempt to familiarize themselves with

the vessel. This was made clear to the prospective commanding
officer when he first boarded the vessel. He was handed a paper by
the naval inspector entitled "General Outline of Duties of a Prospective Commanding Officer of an Auxiliary Type Vessel.' This paper,
issued from the Bureau of Ships, provided in part:
It is most important that a prospective commanding officer understand correctly his function, his authority, and his limitations. A prospective commanding
officer and his personnel are official observers. The responsibility for the work
being done on the ship is vested either in Bureau of Ships (whose local representative is the Supervisor of Shipbuilding) or in the district commandant (dis-

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trict material officer and assistant district material officer
prospective commanding officer must carefully avoid giving any orders to the

building yard. As an inspector and adviser, however, the prospective command
ing officer can be of much help. He mustn't hesitate to bring to the attention of
those responsible anything he considers defective workmanship, improper location

of equipment, or desirable items not listed for accomplishment. All written
communication with the building yard must be either from or through the local

responsible Navy representative Remember that a prospective commanding officer is not yet a commanding officer. The district commandant

in most cases is the commanding officer of the personnel assigned to the unit.
For local administration and to relieve the commandant of necessary details, the
prospective commanding officer will function as commanding officer to the extent
of authority delegated to him by the commandant,

No authority of the commandant was delegated to the prospective
commanding officer. From time to tima he consulted with the naval
inspector, and made suggestices with reference to the conversion
work. It was not his function, however, to supervise the details of

this work.

5. Dates for conversion completion.

In response to the request contained in the Bureau of Ships' directive of December 27, the district material officer first reported to the
Bureau of Ships that he estimated the conversion work might be
completed by January 31, and the original schedule was laid out on
that basis.

January 9 the Chief of Naval Operations communicated with the
Chief of Staff of the Army and offered the vessel to the Army for use
as an Army transport. This offer was accepted on January 14, with

the understanding that the conversion would be completed by the
Navy. The Army was invited, however, to send such marine engineers and naval architects of the Army to the vessel to recommend
such changes in the conversion work as they might deem necessary or
suitable for their purposes. Accordingly, a group of Army specialists
inspected the ship and made a number of suggestions as to changes in
conversion work which they deemed necessary if the vessel was to
be operated by Army personnel. On January 26 the Chief of Naval
Operations requested that the vessel be retained and operated by the
Navy after its conversion, and the Army Chief of Staff immediately
acceded to this request. The result of this change of plans was that

the conversion work on the vessel was set back or delayed for an
estimated period of 2 to 3 weeks. By this time the district material
officer had advised the Chief of the Bureau of Ships that it would not
be practicable to complete the conversion until about February 28,
but orders were issued by the Bureau of Ships, on instructions of the
Chief of Naval Operations, that she should be commissioned on February 11, and ready to sail for Boston, for further conversion work,

on February 14. This necessitated the placing of many additional
workmen on the vessel.

The size of the Normandie was such as to require many weeks,
and, more properly, months, for a crew to familiarize itself with the

ship and to be prepared to function as an efficient unit thereon.

In recognition of this factor, and in the absence of a complete crew
having been assigned to him, the prospective commanding officer,
about February 5, consulted with the district material officer and
expressed his anxiety over attempting to take the vessel out on
February 14. Because of this objection, and the incomplete state of

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the conversion work, the district material officer advised the
mandant and was authorized by the latter to communicate comWashington and express his views. In a telephone conversation with with

the Assistant Chief of Naval Operations, the district material officer
requested that the scheduled date of sailing from New York be
poned
for an
additional
2 weeks.
No suchhowever.
action was authorized post- by
the
office
of Chief
of Naval
Operations,

On February 6 the district material officer and the prospective

commanding officer made a trip to Washington and conferred with the
Chief of Naval Operations and the Chief of Bureau of Ships, with the

intention of again urging that the sailing date be postponed. They
were advised that plans would be changed so that certain top hamper
of the Normandie might be removed to improve her stability, and that
this work would take another 60 or 90 days, and thus afford ample
time for completion of the other work and preparation of the vessel
for sea.

The district material officer immediately telephoned the contractor
that the sailing date had been postponed, and accordingly many men,
who otherwise would have been kept on the vessel to rush the conversion work over the week end, were let off. On their return to New
York on February 7, however, the district material officer and the
prospective commanding officer were advised that the plans to remove
the top hamper had been abandoned, and the vessel was to sail on
the 14th. This reversal of the decision of the day before necessitated
the calling back of workmen and further added to the confused state
of affairs which was prevalent on the day of the fire, February 9.
Still concerned with the danger of endeavoring to get the vessel out
by February 14, the district material officer and the prospective commanding officer made an appointment with the commandant for 3
p. m. on February 9, at which time they hoped to persuade the commandant to take a definite stand. At the same time, the Chief of the
Bureau of Ships had arranged to consult with the Chief of Naval Operations to the end that the sailing date might be postponed. In the
meantime, the contractor and subcontractors were rushing their efforts
to have the vessel prepared for the date specified. Within a few minutes of the time set for the respective conferences in New York and
Washington, the parties concerned were advised that a fire had broken
out on the Normandie, and the meeting never took place.
6: The fire.

The fire on the Normandie started at about 2:35 p. m. on February

9, 1942. The events leading up to the fire, and the activities of
principal witnesses are described below in some detail.

(a) Events leading up to the fire. About February 1, the naval
inspector ordered approximately 1,140 bales of life preservers to be

delivered to the Normandie from the navy supply depot in New
York. These life preservers, made under standard Navy specifications, were canvas covered and filled with an oily Javanese cotton-

like texture known as kapok, which is highly inflammable. The
life preservers were packed in bales which weighed approximately
30 to 35 pounds each. They consisted of an outer covering of burlap
and an inner wrapping of tarry paper. These bales were delivered to
the vessel directly from the navy supply depot over a period of 3
days from about February 1 and were ordered to be stored in the
main salon of the vessel.

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There is some conflict of testimony as to whether the selection of
the place of storage was made by Robins' assistant superintendent,
Walsh, on his own initiative, or by Walsh on directions of the naval
inspector. This conflict is immaterial since after the bales were so

stored, their presence was noted by the naval inspector, by the
lieutenant commander of the Coast Guard, and by the prospective

commanding officer. It was intended that the life preservers be

stenciled on the ship, after which they were to be distributed through-

out the various quarters. Because of the crowded and congested
condition of the pier, it was not, at the time, thought practicable to

store the life preservers there.

Both the prospective commanding officer and the lieutenant commander of the Coast Guard realized that the life preservers created a

fire hazard in the main salon, and the latter instructed his men to
keep an especially careful look-out against smoking in the vicinity.

He was also assured, either by the naval inspector or a representative

of the contractor, that no welding or burning operations were contemplated in the salon.

The main salon was a room approximately 100 feet long, 85 feet
wide, and 35 feet high, amidships on the promenade deck, one deck
below the boat deck. In this room there were four elaborate metal
stanchions designed as indirect lighting fixtures. There were four
large windows on the port and starboard sides, and at each side a door

leading from the center of the salon to the promenade.
Piles of canvas-bottomed standee bunks were lying in rows along the
port and starboard sides of the promenade deck, outside of the salon
and smoking room.
There were no fire hose or fire extinguishers in the salon proper as

part of the equipment although both were situated in fireboxes
within close proximity on the starboard and port sides of the promenade deck.

The hand fire-extinguishing equipment on the promenade deck was

as follows: 41 21/-gallon fire extinguishers, 14 12-pound Rodeo
portable extinguishers, 2 25-pound Rodeo extinguishers, and 8 15pound Lux extinguishers.

About February 7 the prospective commanding officer consulted
the naval inspector and suggested that since the salon was to be used
as a general recreation room for troops, the carpet therein should be
removed and replaced with battleship linoleum. At the same time
it was suggested that the four metal stanchions, or indirect-lighting
pillars, should be cut at a point about 20 inches from the deck, at the
top of the coaming, as a safety measure to prevent injury to troops,
and in order that the bases might be used as seats or tables.

Until this time no one connected with the Normandie had any

knowledge that any conversion work was contemplated in the grand
salon or particularly that any burning or welding was to take place
there, and after the decision to make the conversion determined by
the prospective commanding officer and the naval inspector, the lieutenant commander of the Coast Guard unit was not advised.
On orders of the naval inspector, a subcontractor, the Tri-Boro
Carpet Co., was employed by Robins to remove the carpet from the
main salon and lay the linoleum. This work was commenced on
February 8 and continued on February 9 up to and including the
time of the fire.

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On the morning of February 9, Herman Minikine, vice president of
Robins and in charge of the conversion, was instructed by Wood, the

naval inspector's assistant, to have the Robins' workmen burn the

four metal stanchions in the main salon. Minikine instructed Alphonsus Gately, in charge of Robins' burners and welders, to carry

out the order. Gately called together a force of men known as a
chain gang, Derrick, who was a burner, and two fire watches.
Nadel, supervisor of Robins' fire watches, was also present. The
chain gang consisted of a "snapper," or subforeman, and eight unskilled laborers. The equipment of the group included the burner's
oxygen and acetylene tanks and torch, two 3-gallon pails of water,
an asbestos board about 2 feet by 3 feet, and a semicircular metal
shield approximately 36 inches high. There were no fire extinguishers
in the salon. The evidence is conflicting as to whether there was
any fire hose laid out at the time, although there is some credible
testimony that a 1 1/-inch hose, part of the ship's equipment had
previously been and remained laid out from the port promenade and
extended into the salon, but that this hose was not connected to the
standpipe or fire main.
Each of the metal stanchions, which were ordered to be burned,
weighed about 500 pounds. They were about 15 inches in circumference and rested on a base which rose approximately 20 inches from

the deck. A coaming extended horizontally from the base about
18 inches.

The burning was directed to be done at the top of the base of the
stanchion, 20 inches from the deck.
The first burning operation was performed on the forward stanchion
on
the starboard side of the salon. For convenient reference this will

be called stanchion No. 1. Stanchion No. 2, the second to be cut,
was on the starboard side of the salon aft, stanchion No. 3 on the
port side forward, and stanchion No. 4, the last to be cut, on the
port side aft.
Because of the activities of the linoleum workers, the bales of kapok

life preservers, which originally had been stored in the center of the
salon, had been moved in clusters on the port side and were piled
semicircularly around stanchions Nos. 3 and 4 and between those
stanchions and the side walls or bulkheads of the salon. There was
a passageway between the bales leading to the open door on the port
side of the salon.

The work was done as follows: The burner would cut through the
stanchion to a point almost to the other side. The members of the
chain gang would then, with the aid of three guide ropes, ease the
stanchion over to prevent it from crashing to the deck until it rested
at a 90° angle on the coaming. Next the burner would, in a very

brief operation, which he testified did not take more than a half
minute, burn or snip off the final metal clip of the stanchion, and
the job would be completed. During the burning it was the duty of
the fire watch to hold the asbestos board above the metal shield as
a further precaution against flying or ricocheting sparks, and to stand

by with the buckets of water. A small quantity of the water in
the buckets was used to wet down the area around the base of the

stanchion.

Since the protective semicircular metal shield was higher than the
the
base of the coaming, it was necessary to remove the shield as

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members of the chain gang eased the stanchion over to its vertical
position just prior to the final burning operation.
The burning of stanchions No. 1 and 2 was completed without
incident on the morning of February 9 between the hours of 10 and 12.
It was estimated that it took approximately 20 minutes actually to
burn each stanchion through.

At about noon, Gately and his men knocked off for lunch, and

Nadel, the chief of the fire watches was instructed to have a fire
watch back on the job at 2 p. m. Nadel directed a member of the
fire watch, not one of those present during the morning operations

to report for duty in the main salon at 2 p. m. This man, John

Venuto, arrived in the salon at 2 but saw no burner or burning operations. He concluded that none were to take place and proceeded to
another part of the ship and another job.
(b) Activities at the fire. Shortly after 2 p. m., Gately assembled his
crew of men to burn stanchions No. 3 and 4. During this afternoon
operation, there were only seven in the chain gang, one man having

failed to report for work, and no fire watches present. Since the
bales were piled closely around the stanchions, the men cleared away
a space large enough to walk around by piling some of the bales on
others. The piles of life preservers were placed at a distance stated
by various witnesses to be from 3 to 8 feet from the point of burning.
Stanchion No. 3 was cut without incident, except for the fact that
as it was eased over to its 90° angle, it crashed upon the metal shield,
which in this instance had not been removed, and the shield was
thereafter rendered useless. Gately testified that he obtained another
metal shield and proceeded to the fourth and last stanchion with his
men.

As there was no fire watch present, a member of the "chain gang,"
Collins, held the asbestos shield to prevent sparks from flying toward

the bales. When the time arrived to let fall No. 4 stanchion, just

prior to the final burning operation, Collins dropped his asbestos
shield and climbed up on the bales to help the remaining members

of the chain gang with the guide ropes. Prior to this, the metal

shield had either been removed or knocked over to prevent it from
being crushed from the weight of the falling stanchion. The stanchion was brought over to a 90° angle for the burner to start his final
operation. The job was so nearly completed that Gately turned his
back and started toward the smoking room to attend to another job.

Likewise, the "snapper" of the "chain gang" had turned his back
and started to walk away. The burner turned on his torch and

started to burn the clip which was the last piece of metal holding
the stanchion to its base. This last burning operation was thus being
performed without benefit of the asbestos board, the metal shield,
and without a fire watch or the actual observance of the foremen on
the job.

The evidence again is conflicting as to whether there were only
one or two waterbuckets lying beside the stanchion at this time, and
it appears that one of the waterbuckets (if there were two) was only
half full.

It was during the last final seconds of the job that Collins saw a
small flame darting upward from one or two bales nearest the base of

the stanchion and nearest the point of the burner's operation. He
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cried "Fire." Then he and the other members of the chain gang
first attempted to put the flames out with their hands. Gately, the
burner, and the "snapper" did likewise and then all of these men,
joined by other groups of workers in the salon, endeavored to stop
the rush of the flames which were creeping rapidly over the fuzz of
the burlap bales, by throwing them hither and yon toward the center

of the salon. In the opinion of fire experts, this had the effect of
merely spreading the flames.
Seeing that the fire was getting ahead of them, Gately testified that,

with a helper, he connected up and turned on the hose, which had
been run into the salon from the port promenade, and played it on
the fire. Other laborers brought in a hose from the starboard prom-

enade, but the testimony is that only about a bucketful of water
came out of it. Others stated that they obtained a hose which was
brought in through the smoking room, forward of the salon. This

hose likewise failed to function. A workman brought in a fire extinguisher, but threw it down in disgust after it failed to function.
In the excitement, just after the discovery of the fire, someone
tripped over a bucket of water, spilling all or nearly all of its contents.
A member of the Coast Guard fire watch, a young and inexperienced recruit, who had passed through the salon within a minute or

two prior to the fire, heard a group of Robins' employees shouting
"Fire"; he returned to the salon, observed the flames, and proceeded
to the ship's theater, where he turned in an alarm to the fire-control
station by telephone. The fire had been under way about 10 minutes
when this call was made. He then proceeded on his rounds and took
no active part in fighting the fire for some time thereafter.
Martin, a Coast Guard seaman, was on duty at the central firecontrol station. He first heard of the fire not by telephone or alarm,
but from a member of the Coast Guard fire detail who, acting as a
messenger, reported it at the station orally. Martin endeavored to
telephone his immediate superior, Bach, the assistant security officer,
but could not locate him. Martin next called the fire brigade, and
phoned the distribution room, on D deck, instructions to turn off all
air ventilators. He also telephoned the bridge and instructed the
Coast Guardman on duty there to turn in the general fire alarm.

The man on the bridge reported back that he could not find the
switch.

There were two fire alarm switches on the bridge for the ship's
general alarm system. These had been disconnected for several days

prior to the fire by a contractor, apparently without the knowledge

of any of the Coast Guard crew. The French Line had, under
contract with the American District Telegraph Co., maintained the
ship-to-shore fire alarm box which was located on the bridge of the
Normandie, and which provided direct telegraphic communication for

fire alarm purposes with the New York City Fire Department. On
January 7, 1942, the marine superintendent of the French Line notified

American District Telegraph Co. that it did not wish to continue this

service for the obvious reason that the vessel wasno longer the responsi-

bility of or the property of the French Line, and on January 13 the
fire alarm box was removed from the bridge. Lieutenant Commander
Brooks was advised of this by his security officer some time after it had
been removed, and had posted a notice at the gangway that the nearest

city fire alarm box was on the pier. No request was made by any

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naval or Coast Guard representative for the retention of the American
District Telegraph Co. fire alarm after January 13.
Some delay was occasioned in breaking out the Coast Guard fire
brigade, after the fire had been reported to the central fire control
station, because about a week previously, owing to conversion work,
the brigade had been moved from its headquarters on the main deck
to temporary quarters below on A deck, two decks below the promenade deck. There was no direct telephone communication from the
temporary quarters to or from the central fire control station, and
accordingly, it was necessary for a member of the fire brigade to
stand watch at the old quarters to receive messages from the control

station, and transmit them in person to the members of the fire
brigade on the deck below.
Rahle, the Coast Guard security officer, had last been in the grand

salon, prior to the fire, shortly after 1 p. m. The fire was reported
to him as he was standing near the elevator on the promenade deck

forward of the main salon. Rahle looked in the salon and saw a

sheet of fire which covered the whole side of a pile of bales. He ran

to the bridge and threw the two fire-alarm switches, intending to
sound the fire alarm all over the ship. As previously stated. the

alarm had been disconnected and his efforts were ineffective. Rahle
then proceeded to the main fire locker, on the main deck, and began
distributing fire extinguishers to workmen he found in that vicinity.
He there met Bach, his assistant security officer, and turned these
duties over to him, advising him to get his men as quickly as possible.
Rahle next dashed to the gangway and yelled to a policeman to turn
in the city fire alarm. He then returned to the scene of the fire and
assisted in efforts which were being made by a large group of workmen,
Coast Guard men and Navy personnel to combat the flames.

(

the
Bach, assistant security officer, was on the starboard side of
promenade deck when he heard a report on the ship's loudspeaker
system for all members of the fire watch to report to the main salon.
He immediately rushed there and found it in flames. He saw no hose
in use at that time, but found some hose lying on the deck and tried
to hook it to one of the valves. He was unable to do so, because there
was an American-type fitting on the hose and a French-type fitting
on the valve. He then proceeded to the temporary quarters of the
fire brigade on A deck, broke out about 15 of his men who were there,
went to the main fire locker on the main deck, issued out equipment,
and proceeded with his men to the promenade deck nd the scene of
the fire. By this time the smoke was very thick in the salon, and the
members of the fire brigade who had gas masks, and one or two who
had asbestos suits, endeavored to enter the salon to get at the source

of the flames, Because of the smoke and the fact that the ship's

lights had been turned off in this section, the men could not see.
They had no flashlights. Bach reported that their gas masks were
ineffective. The efforts of the fire brigade were fruitless. He finally
obtained a hose, although it had no nozzle, and played it on the fire.

Lieutenant Commander Brooks was proceeding down a passageway

on A deck when he met Lieutenant Commander Scott, the naval
inspector, and was advised by Scott of the fire. Brooks dashed up
the stairway, took one look, and then went down the stairs and ordered

one of his men to ring the city fire alarm from the dock. He then
went to the grand salon and attempted to take charge of the operations

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He
of his men, but was driven back because of the dense smoke.
remained in the vicinity of the grand salon for about 15 minutes and
stated that he observed at least four streams of water being played
into the salon from the starboard and port sides during this time.

The smoke then forced him and his men to withdraw. Shortly
thereafter, at about 3:15 p. m., the ship's power failed. From that
time on no efforts were made to fight the fire with the ship's hose,
since the fire pumps had stopped. By this time, the city fire department had taken over fire-fighting activities with its own equipment.
The naval inspector was in his office on A deck when advised of the
fire by a Robins' employee. He proceeded to the promenade deck.

When he arrived at the salon, he saw the workers endeavoring to
beat the fire out with their hands and throwing bales into the center

of the room. Realizing the seriousness of the situation, he went
below and ordered a fire alarm sent to the city fire department. He
then ordered Robins' vice president to get all of the workmen off the
ship. He next proceeded to the dock and arranged for the clearing
away of obstacles so as to permit the fire engines upon their arrival
to have free access, and conducted firemen from the first and second
fire engines to the scene of the fire.
Orders were sent over the ship's loudspeaker system for all Robins'
workers to leave the vessel. This order was repeated by word of
mouth. Many of the Coast Guard and Navy personnel understood
the order to be "everybody leave the ship" and some little confusion
resulted. However, that many of the men on the vessel did their
utmost in the circumstances to fight the fire is best evidenced by the
fact that 285 persons, including 94 Navy and Coast Guard personnel,
38 members of the fire department and 153 civilian employees received medical treatment or hospitalization for various injuries, burns,
smoke inhalation, and for exposure. One Robins' employee, a member of the fire watch, died as a result of falling from the sun deck to
the boat deck.

(c) Engineers Department.-The Coast Guard chief engineer was
about to leave his sleeping quarters when advised of the fire by two
members of the prospective Navy crew. He immediately made his
way toward the engine room via one of the ship's elevators. On his
way down he encountered considerable smoke and got out on D deck
for the purpose of stopping the blowers in the electrical distribution
room. He ordered a machinist to proceed to the engine room and see
that the fire pumps were started. He then went to the scene of the
fire on the promenade deck and opened the electric circuits to prevent
short circuits which would cripple other parts of the ship's electrical
system.

The Normandie was equipped with 3 electrically driven pumps
designed to deliver water pressure at 142 pounds per square inch. The

normal pressure maintained by the Coast Guard, however, was approximately 60 or 70 pounds and this was stepped up to 100 pounds
as soon as the fire was reported to the engine room. This pressure
was adequate for the ship's fire hose, while it lasted.
Because of the downdrafts through the ventilators, boiler uptakes
and other apertures of the vessel, smoke from the fire on the promenade deck soon reached the engine room and forced the Coast Guard
engineers to close down the fires and abandon the room at about
2:55 or 3 p.m. There was sufficient steam in the boilers at this time

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to permit the operation of the ship's generators and pumps for approximately 15 to 20 minutes after the fires were closed down in the
boilers. The ship's electric clocks stopped at 3:15 p. m. which confirms that the ship's electricity and water pressure went off at that
time.

(d) Fire doors.-At the after end of the main salon, leading into
the smoking room and at the forward end, leading into the gallery
and grand hallway of the ship, were moveable fire screens or doors.
These doors could be closed manually and were intended to isolate
and prevent the spread of any fire from the salon. During the fire
one was closed, and the other partially closed. There is evidence

that the after fire door burned through ip about 5 minutes. The

forward door, of a more durable type, did not burn.
(e) Responsibility and command at the fire.-It is difficult to imagine

a more confused state of affairs than that which existed on the

Normandie at and during the course of the fire. Five hundred men
of the prospective crew, unfamiliar, for the most part, with the ship
and with no previously assigned stations, duties, or responsibilities,

were under the command of the prospective commanding officer.
Two hundred and eighty-one Coast Guard officers and men, many
of them raw recruits, and of whom less than 40 had specific assignments and duties in the event of fire, were under the command of the
Coast Guard lieutenant commander.

One thousand seven hundred and fifty employees of Robins, of
whom 50 were untrained men designated as "fire watchers," were
under the supervision of the vice president of Robins and the assistant
superintendent in charge of operations.

Six hundred and seventy-five employees of some thirty subcon-

tractors were under the direction of their respective foremen or

superintendents.

In addition, there was the naval inspector, a lieutenant commander

in the Naval Reserve, with nine civilian assistants, all apparently
concerned primarily with allocating specific job orders to the contractors and subcontractors.

The naval inspector was the only naval authority on board the

vessel with jurisdiction over the contractors and that, primarily,

was in a supervisory capacity. He had no jurisdiction over the Coast
Guard or prospective naval personnel nor did the officers in command
of the latter units have any jurisdiction over him or any units other
than their own.

Shortly after 3 p. m. the commandant, the district material officer,
the prospective commanding officer and the captain of the port, a
Coast Guard officer, senior to the lieutenant commander in charge

of the Coast Guard unit on the vessel arrived at the scene of the fire.

Fire-fighting equipment of the city fire department had already arrived and the firemen were in action. Other officials were assembled
at the pier, including the collector of customs, the mayor of New
York, the fire commissioner, the fire marshal, and the police commissioner. All made various sorties and tours of inspection on and

about the ship and pier. A central office was established on the

pier, in the offices of the French Line, where conferences were held
from time to time. French Line officials were consulted, including
the former master of the Normandie. A salvage expert from Merritt,
Chapman & Scott Wrecking Co. was called in.

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The commandant did not consider himself either in charge of the
situation or to be the responsible naval officer present. He had considered the Normandie to be under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of

Ships and of the district material officer. He was unfamiliar with

the Normandie, and prior to the fire had never been on board her
nor received nor gave any orders with respect to her, other than of
an advisory nature with respect to maintaining an adequate Coast
Guard personnel aboard. Accordingly, he did not feel qualified to
assume command and acted only in an advisory capacity Orders
were given, however, from time to time in his name and other naval
and Coast Guard officers were under the impression that he had assumed the responsibility and command by virtue of his rank and
presence. He considered the fire department to be in charge of the
fire.

At the fire, the district material officer, an experienced technician
and marine engineer, considered himself also to be acting in an advisory capacity, and issued orders only to members of his staff. The
naval inspector received no orders from any source, although he stood
by in the conference room from time to time.

The lieutenant commander in charge of the Coast Guard unit
looked to orders from the captain of the port. The captain of the
port considered the commandant in command
(f) New York City fire department.-The first alarm received by
the New York City fire department was at 2:49 p. m. from an alarm
box located in the center of pier 88. While there is no conclusive
evidence of the exact time the fire started, the best estimates are
between 2:35 and 2:40 p. m. There was, therefore, most probably
a delay of about 15 to 20 minutes between the start of the fire and
the first alarm received by the fire department.
One and one-half minutes after the receipt of the first alarm, the

first fire engine arrived at the scene. Upon the arrival of the first
fire engine, a second alarm was ordered and turned in at 3:01 p. m.
Other alarms followed at 3:02, 3:12, and 4:08 p. m., respectively
By 4:15 p. m. there were approximately 36 mobile fire-fighting

units of the city fire department at the Normandie. There were

three fireboats, together with a number of tugboats privately owned,
which played their hoses upon the ship's superstructure on the port-

side. The first city fireboat arrived at 2:55 p. m., the second at
3:13, and the third at 3:27 p. m. These three fire boats poured an
estimated 839,420 gallons of water into the Normandie's super-

structure over a period of 4 hours. In addition, undeterminable

quantities were poured into the ship from the shore apparatus and
from various privately owned tugboats. Much of the water, of course,
rolled over the sides but a large quantity backed up along the upper
decks and into the staterooms of the upper decks. By 3:30 p. m. the

Normandie had taken a slight but noticeable list to port. As more
and more water was poured into her superstructure the list gradually

increased. At about 6:30 p. m., the fire had been reported "under

control". Most of the city fire equipment was sent home: the fire
was as good as out, and the actual fire damage was relatively slight.
But the Normandie's list to port had increased by this time to about

10 degrees. The fire department had effectively put out the fire.
The danger of capsizing, then fully realized, was a problem properly
left to the naval authorities.

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7. The Capsizing.

The Normandie, in common with most large passenger vessels,

was considered a very "tender" ship. Because of her low metacentric

height, the shifting of a relatively small amount of weight from one
side to the other could cause a noticeable list. She was not, however,

a "top heavy" ship in the accepted sense. The district material

officer was generally familiar with the stability characteristics of the
vessel and had studied her blueprints and plans. On arriving at the
scene of the fire, he immediately realized the danger of the vessel
capsizing from the weight of water being poured into her upper decks.
This matter was discussed by the district material officer with the
commandant, officials of the French Line and others who participated
in the conference-room discussions held in the French Line office on
the pier. As a result of these discussions, the commandant at first
considered it desirable to scuttle the ship to prevent her from capsizing. Since this ship was constructed without sea-cocks or sluice
valves, orders were issued to the chief engineer of the Coast Guard
unit of the Normandie, who had been consulted, to endeavor to scuttle
her by removing the plates of the condensers in the engine room.
The chief officer proceeded with a detail of men to the engine room,
but found that it was too full of smoke to accomplish his mission. At
the same time, on the suggestion of an officer of the French Line,
the fire department was requested to pour water down the No. 1
hatch forward into the bottom of the ship.
The decision to scuttle was then abandoned. The experts had
arrived at the opinion that if the vessel were scuttled, it would only

hasten her capsizing. This opinion was based upon the general

characteristics of the vessel, her "tenderness," her list to port, the fact
that she was lying on a ledge (the north side of the slip having been
dredged to a greater depth to accommodate the Queen Mary some
time before) and the fact that the Normandie had no longitudal bulkheads to prevent "free water" from settling on her port side.

The abandonment of the decision to scuttle the ship was also

influenced by the advice of the fire chief, who expressed the opinion
to the commandant that scuttling might have the effect of causing
the fire to spread from the vessel to the pier and along the water front
by reason of burning oil.

The district material officer, soon after his arrival at pier 88,

obtained a rough plan of the ship's double-bottom tanks. He was
advised by the Coast Guard engineer water tender that three of the
starboard double-bottom tanks were empty. Since the district material officer had no plans of the ship, which indicated the exact location of these tanks from the outside of the hull, he made a rough
estimate of their location and instructed the Robins' superintendent
to have holes cut in each of them in order that they might be filled
from the outside by fire hose. Because of the miscalculations, only
four of the seven tanks were thus cut open. The effect of the water
from the fire hose, in partially filling these tanks, had at most the
temporary result of lessening the ship's list by a few degrees for a

short period of time.
Because of the accumulation of water, principally in the promenade
and A decks and in the rooms of those decks, the vessel had taken a list
of about 10° by 6:30 p. m., by which time the fire had been reported

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so far under control that the fire department had sent most of its men
and equipment home. The fire department, on request of the district
material officer, attempted to pump water from the spaces in the upper
decks. The pumps used were not designed for the purpose and were
ineffective. Efforts to obtain adequate pumps were unsuccessful;
none were to be had.
By about 9:30 p. m. the Normandie's list had increased to approxi-

mately 15° to 17°, after which she took no further appreciable list
for several hours. At about 12 the Normandie's list had increased to
approximately 35° and water was found to be entering through several
open ports and a garbage chute which were on the port side of the hull.
Several naval and Coast Guard officers and men succeeded in closing
some of these openings, but it was found impossible to close them all,
under the conditions then existing.
At 12:30 a. m. the commandant issued orders for all hands to abandon ship; at 2:45 a. m. the Normandie capsized.
III. CONCLUSIONS FROM THE EVIDENCE

There was no evidence to indicate that the fire on the Normandie
may be attributed to sabotage. Various rumors and reports were
current immediately after the fire that the fire was caused by sabotage,
that the hoses were slashed or cut, that hoses contained gasoline, that
gasoline had been poured into the ship's sprinkler system, and similar
stories. Careful investigation disclosed that these rumors and reports
were entirely unfounded. The ship's hoses were not cut or slashed,
but some of them did kink when water pressure was first put on them,
not an unusual occurrence when fire hose is handled in haste and by
inexperienced hands. There was no gasoline in any of the hoses, and
the ship had no sprinkler system. There was a slight explosion in
the salon shortly after the start of the fire, which gave rise to some
rumors. This explosion was caused by the effect of the fire upon the
burner's acetelyne tank, which had been left behind in the confusion
when the workers were forced to quit the salon.
Opportunities for sabotage, or almost any subversive activity were,
however, abundant on the Normandie. There was no adequate check
made of the employees of the contractor or subcontractor and especially

of alien employees. It was possible for individuals to board the ship
without any credentials or identification other than a numbered badge
indicating the name of the contractor or subcontractor by whom they
were supposed to be employed. No investigation had been made as
to the manner of the selection of subcontractors' employees and
apparently no responsibility was fixed upon the employers with respect
to selection of their personnel. That the fire may not be attributed
to sabotage is only indicative, therefore, of the fact that saboteurs, if
there were any, did not deem the time ripe for sabotage.
The fire unquestionably started from the sparks of the burner's
blowtorch, which ignited the bales of life preservers within a few feet
of the place where the burner was working. Careful investigation of

the persons who were in the salon at the time the fire started
fails to disclose any reason to suspect that these men were intent upon
subversive or sabotage acts, and confirms our opinion based upon all

the evidence, that the fire was not started with willful or malicious
intent. There is no escape from the conclusion, however, that the

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CAUSE AND consequences of the fire are directly attributable to carelessness and lack of proper supervision.

The importance of the Normandie as a naval auxiliary should, in
itself, have called for the exercise of the highest degree of care and
competent organization and supervision, apart from any contractual
obligations in that regard. Experience, also, should have served as
a warning to those responsible for this vessel-the immediate experience of numerous previous small fires caused by burning and welding
operations which had occurred on the Normandie-four within a week
of February 9-and the experience of history, for it had been the fate
of almost every comparable sister French liner to be destroyed by fire.
Such vessels included the Georges Phillipar, which burned in the Gulf
of Aden in 1932, the Atlantique, a 40,000-ton liner, which burned in
the English Channel in 1933, the great liner Paris, which burned and
capsized at her pier at Le Havre in 1939, and the 40,000-ton Lafayette
(ironically bearing the same name which the Navy had adopted for
the Normandie), which caught fire and became a total loss at Le Havre
in 1938, the fire reportedly having started from sparks of a workman's

blowtorch.

There were other warnings, too, apart from those of experience and

history; warnings in the way of rumors to the effect that the vessel
would never leave port and similar rumors to that effect which might
possibly indicate that suspicions were being directed to the possibilities of sabotage. Such warnings called for increased vigil and extraordinary care and supervision, but the evidence indicates that there
was no increased vigil and that the care and supervision required in

the circumstances were totally lacking.
It is not difficult to find acts of carelessness or omission on the part
of many individuals connected with the Normandie, but it is difficult
to place the sole responsibility upon any one individual.
First, there was carelessness in the manner in which the burning
of the stanchions was permitted to be done. Prudence would have
required, in this regard, that adequate hose be laid out, connected up,

manned. and ready for instantaneous use at all times during the
burning of the stanchions. Not only was no hose ready for immediate use, but at the very moment the fire started even the casual

safeguards were absent. There was no fire watch; the asbestos
shield had been dropped; the metal shield had either fallen over or

been removed. There were no fire extinguishers, nor was there
water in buckets in sufficient quantity. Ordinary care, too, would
have required that the highly inflammable bales be moved to a safe
distance from the scene of operations.
The contractor's fire watchers, on the vessel, while subject to the
approval of the naval inspector, were unskilled and untrained in fire
fighting. Moreover, the presence of the Coast Guard detail on the
Normandie, stationed there for her protection, unquestionably created
a false sense of security. Actually there were too few Coast Guard
men assigned to the fire brigade: there had been many shifts in personnel. and the members of the fire brigade were for the most part
raw recruits. inexperienced in fire fighting.
In short. there was lack of adequate supervision of the contractor,
and lack of adequate fire-prevention safeguards and lack of sufficient
trained personnel on the Normandie.

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Second, there was an absence of proper coordination between the

activities of the various units on board. The Coast Guard unit was
not kept advised of and had no control over the activities of the con-

tractor and subcontractors, or the work allocated to them by the

naval inspector. This accounts in part for the undue delay of 10 to

20 minutes in ringing the first city fire alarm. The city fire-alarm
box on the bridge had been removed on January 13 without consulta-

tion with the Coast Guard. Lack of coordination explains, too, the
waste of valuable minutes, every second of which permitted the flames
to grow nintensity, before the Coast Guard fire brigade was organized
and at the scene. Because of the conversion work, and against the
better judgment of its officers, this unit had been moved to temporary
quarters, away from the main fire locker, away from direct telephone
communication with the central fire-control station, to another deck.
By the time the brigade arrived at the salon, the smoke and flames
were too intense for it to be effective. Its efforts were hampered also
because some of the hoses brought to the scene could not be connected
to the standpipes; the brigade had been uninformed as to the progress
of the change-over from French to American type fittings.
Third, there was divided authority and lack of a unified command
on the Normandie. With divided authority there was, consequently,
divided responsibility, resulting in confusion. lack of coordination, and
consequent carelessness. Had one individual been placed in command

of the vessel, with authoritative and supervisory control over the

several units aboard, it is far less likely that the fire would have
occurred, or ended so disastrously.
On February 7, 1941, the Secretary of the Navy had confirmed the
Maritime Commission that the Navy Department had assumed full

responsibility for the Normandie. Yet the committee was much
confused by the apparent inability of anybody connected with the
ship in an official capacity to define the respective jurisdictions and
responsibilities of the various officers and bureaus of the Navy Depart-

ment. The line of demarcation of the responsibility of the com-

mandant's office, the district material office, the Bureau of Ships,
and the Office of Chief of Naval Operations was much confused; nor

was it any clearer as to the authority of the Navy Department and
its bureaus and the contractor and subcontractors. The question
was asked time and again, "Who was in charge of this ship?" Certain

delegated authority of each officer was referred to in reply, but
apparently there was no one authority who seemed to think that he
was, or knew who was, in entire charge of the ship. There was no

over-all command

There was much talk of the responsibility of the contractor under
his contract. That is a contractual responsibility within the proper
jurisdiction of the courts; but there was a higher responsibility to the
Nation at large for the protection and maintenance of an important
naval auxiliary, which has been put out of action as effectively by
carelessness and confusion as if by acts of saboteurs or enemy agents.

The protection of Government property should always remain in
the hands of Government representatives, and no Government repre-

sentative should feel that he is absolved from the duty of full and
entire protection of Government property because of terms in a
contract that make the contractor liable for such protection.

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Fourth, there was undue haste, indecision and lack of careful planning in connection with the conversion of the Normandie. The ship
was taken over by the Navy on December 24, 1941. A casual and
inefficient survey of the ship and its utilization had been made by
the Bureau of Ships shortly before this. There was a hurried and
hasty examination of the vessel, but most of the information concerning it was obtained from a book in possession of the Bureau of Ships
giving certain descriptive information.
It was first thought that the Normandie might be used as an airplane carrier. Then, this idea was discarded as well as one of making

a boxed plane cargo ship out of it. Later, it was thought that she

should be converted for use as a unit loaded transport operated by
Navy and Coast Guard personnel. It was then decided to turn her
over to the Army and orders were issued to that effect, but within 2
weeks that was given up and it was finally decided that the Navy
should retain control of the vessel, manage her and use her for a unit
loaded transport vessel. These various decisions resulted in delay in
the conversion of the ship, for changes had to be made from one plan
to another in the conversion for different purposes.
In this case, as in all work to be done in the conversion of ships for
war use, speed is, of course, highly desirable and it is necessary to take

some chances. The decision is not always an easy one, but in the

matter of the Normandie, under all the conditions existing and circumstances surrounding its speedy preparation for an early sailing, the
conclusion is inescapable that it was bad judgment to issue orders for
the sailing of this ship on February 14. The possibilities of loss after
it sailed were sufficiently great to overcome any advantages that might
have been gained by a hasty preparation and speedy departure from

the harbor. The evidence is conclusive that the ship was not in

(

proper condition to be ready to sail on February 14, and, regardless
of necessity for speed, too long a chance was being taken in ordering
the ship out before conditions were adequate to protect those on board
and the ship, itself, from loss. The evidence is also conclusive that
competent naval officers as late as February 6 recommended against
the sailing of the ship on February 14 and that the recommendations

were overruled.

There is some confusion in the testimony and no direct evidence as
to who was responsible for the order to sail on February 14, but the
order came from the Navy Department in Washington, and it can be
presumed that it was done on the highest controlling authority.
If a thorough and detailed survey had been made of this ship, it is
probable that no order would ever have been issued directing such
hasty preparation and speedy sailing. Such issuance of unreasonable
orders, based on incomplete knowledge of actual conditions, should
serve as an example to responsible officials of the dangers inherent

in arbitrary decisions contrary to the recommendations or protests

of the officials in the field.

IV. RECOMMENDATIONS

The scope of the committee's investigation went beyond the actual
burning and capsizing of the Normandie and included a general survey
and study of the manner and authority under which protection, during

wartime, is afforded water-front facilities and ships in port. On the

2946

day of the Normandie fire, February 9, 1942, there were at least 16
agencies of Federal, State, and local government, exercising various,
and in some cases, overlapping jurisdictions and responsibilities as to
protection and regulation of these matters.
By Executive order dated February 26, 1942, the President vested
full responsibility for the protection of the water front, water-front
activities, and ships in our harbors in the Navy Department. The
Secretary of the Navy has designated the Commandant of the Coast

Guard as the responsible individual under the Executive order.

Many
of the atare
the taken
time of for
the
Normandie

further
passes been
adopted
by the correction.
Coast no access
to restricted

water-front
areas
or
also
have
been taken, in a pointed

The committeepossible
constituted
authorities
toward
the practical
and ships
in
ports
from
administration
that
the
functions, governmental

manner by

jurisdictions, further the should, fire for unsatisfactory of Guard the burning these have the dangers protection believes, with A lesson ships and matters system been of and ever-increasing without the of has conditions corrected however, individual responsibilities fire of the of Normandie. been ports, identification committee and such brought and sabotage. which water-front that passes. may vigil, steps the of is have existed home of take various Other properly the In facilities, all has the being opinion steps steps very

units.and agencies are still somewhat confused and that there is a press-

ing need for further and clear-cut definition of duties and responsibilities. The dangers inherent in overlapping jurisdiction, and the
possibilities of any jurisdictional "no man's land" should be studied
and immediately acted upon.
In connection with these matters, the committee recommends the
adoption of and adherence to the following recommendations which
may be promulgated by joint and several action of the Secretary of

the Navy and the Attorney General. To the extent that such recommendations may require implementing legislation, the Congress
should be requested to act thereon without delay.
The recommendations are:
1. Administrator.

An administrator in each naval district should be charged with the
duty of protecting and guarding all waterfront facilities, terminals,
piers, and such properties engaged in war-supplies and cargo movements. Such protection should be of a physical nature.
2. District security officer.
The district security officer should be responsible to the administrator for the enforcement of all fire-preventive measures adopted by
the administrator for the safety of all vessels in the district, whether
the vessel be in commission, idle status, or under repair. It should
be his duty to develop the highest degree cooperation between the
local fire department and the vessel's security officer.
3. Vessel's security officer.

Each vessel's security officer should maintain the highest possible
degree of protection against fire and damage. No operation of any
kind that creates a hazard should be permitted without the approval
of the security officer, and such approval should not be granted until
the hazard is reduced to a minimum, and security equipment is in

2947

order and ready for immediate use. The first protective measure

should be the survey, repair, and replacement of all fire-fighting
equipment.

4. Senior officer of vessel under conversion or repair.

Upon the final determination of repairs or conversions by the
Bureau of Ships, district material officer, and contractors, there should
be assigned to the vessel under such work, a senior officer whose duty
it shall be to coordinate the activities of the various naval respresentatives as to vessel administration, and he should report directly to the
commandant of the district.
5. Fire watchers.

Shipyard fire watchers should be trained by arrangement with the
local fire department, and certified by the Bureau of Marine Inspection and Navigation, and no fire watchers should be employed on any
vessel without such certificate.
6. Fire inspector.

It should be the duty of the administrator to arrange with the local
fire department to designate a traveling inspector of the fire department to visit vessels engaged in hazardous operations to ascertain
that the equipment used by the local fire department is ample and that
access to such operations will not be impeded and that vessels are not
isolated.

7. Examination of vessels and ship personnel.

Vessels entering restricted areas should be thoroughly searched
and the personnel of such vessels should be thoroughly examined.
The administrator should designate the Search and Seizure Division
of the United States Customs for such duties.
8. Sabotage, espionage, and subversive elements.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation in each district should be
designated to have full and exclusive control of all matters dealing
with espionage, sabotage, un-American activities, and subversive
elements in the maritime industry. No other agency should engage
in such work without the approval of this Bureau. This is consistent
with the Executive order of February 26, 1942. There should be no
exceptions to this.
9. Waterfront survey.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation should immediately make a
protective survey of all waterfront facilities with a view of securing
the highest possible degree of protection against the saboteur and the
espionage agent. Copies of the survey report, together with Federal
Bureau of Investigation recommendations should be furnished to the

administrator for immediate action. Such survey should cover the
respective harbors of the country and should be conducted also to
determine the needs of the various areas and a general plan should be

provided.

10. Restricted areas.

The entire waterfront should be designated as a restricted area.
Such sections of the waterfront that load and discharge war supplies
should be declared a prohibited zone and such designated areas should

2948

be determined on the survey report of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, together with recommendations of the local police and fire
departments, and all entrances and exits to such areas should
patrolled by armed guards and a guard should be assigned to all be
vessels
upon arrival and should remain thereon until departure from
such areas.
11. Identification card.

No one employed in a restricted area should have access thereto
who is not in possession of an identification card issued by the Coast

Guard, and visitors to such areas should sign the visitors register.
All packages and bundles should be thoroughly inspected and checked,

12. Identification card-Prohibited zone.
No one should be granted access to any prohibited zone unless they

have a Coast Guard identification card, and such identification card
shall bear an approval stamp of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
No such approval should be granted by the Bureau until the files
of that organization have been checked and found to contain no
evidence of subversive activity on the part of the individual requesting
such approval. All persons employed in restricted areas should be
required to submit full details as to their personal history and such
information shall be verified and such persons should be fingerprinted

and wear necessary identification badges. A complete and full

record of all people working in restricted and prohibited areas should
be maintained by the administrator.
13. Coordination of protective unit and sabotage unit.
There should be a full and complete exchange of all information

and reports between the administrator and the Federal Bureau of
Investigation concerning all phases of water-front facilities.
14. Correlation of activities.
The administrator and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the
district should have full and exclusive authority to correlate the activities of Federal, State, and local organizations in complying with

the regulations or orders issued by the Attorney General and the

Secretary of the Navy.
15. Dissemination of information.
It should be the duty of the administrator to control the dissemina-

tion of all information concerning activities carried on in restricted

areas and prohibited zones, and such information shall only be
released to the public on the approval of the commandant of the

district.

16. The merchant marine.
The operation of merchant vessels of the United States should be

placed under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Navy and such
vessels together with their personnel should operate as an auxiliary
to the Navy. Consideration should be given to the stabilizing for
the duration of the war of current wage scales and all holders of marine
licenses and marine certificates should register with the commandant
of the district in which they now reside.

2949

17. Arresting powers and subpena.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Intelligence
should be granted the power of arrest and subpena of any person

engaged in or suspected of acts of sabotage, espionage, and other related unlawful or subversive activities.
18. Naval intelligence.

The Office of Naval Intelligence should be directly responsible for
all intelligence work relating to vessel movements and personnel and
there should be a clear line of demarcation between vessel and shore

activity, activities of the Naval and Military Intelligence and the

Federal Bureau of Investigation.
19. Coordinator for district operations.
There should be a traveling coordinator between the various districts whose duty it shall be to see that the district operations are in
line with the orders issued by the Attorney General and the Secretary
of the Navy, and he shall report his findings directly to the Attorney
General and the Secretary of the Navy.
20. Survey of ships.

For the greater security of the port, there should be a full complete
investigation and survey of every ship that is taken over by the United
States Government prior to taking it over. Such survey of each vessel
is necessary in order that a decision might be reached as to the purposes for which the ship could be utilized. If such a survey was made

prior to its acquisition by the Government, it might be found that in

some cases the ship could not be used, and thereby money would be
saved by the Government. The Bureau of Ships of the United States
Navy should be fully advised of everything connected with the taking
over and conversion of said ships in connection with every vessel which
the Government seizes.

21. Contracts.

It was found that the Bureau of Ships uses a general form of contract
for the conversion of ships that have been taken over. There should
be a specific contract in each case with each contractor, and specific
terms applying to said case should be put in each contract.
A general form was used in the contract with the Robins Dry Dock
Co., and its provisions were too generally applicable to be of the
greatest value in the conversion work on such a valuable vessel as
the Lafayette.

22. Command of vessels.

If the Navy Department is to control the ship and supervise the
contract, there should be one officer having the entire command and

control of the ship, and everything on it. His direction would not

interfere in any way with the respective duties and responsibilities of
other forces on the ship, such as contractor's workmen, but he would
be there to take charge in the event of any trouble that might arise.
23. Cooperation of unit heads on repairs and conversions.

It is strongly recommended that at least one representative from
each division on a ship that is in process of conversion, such as in this

case the commandant's office, the Coast Guard office, the district
material officer, captain of the port, and other representatives as

2950

desired and thought necessary, should meet frequently with reference
to the care of the ship. Their weekly discussions would be very valu.
able in havingofexercised
the degree
of care which is necesary for the
preservation
Government
property.
P. H.V.
DREWRY,
Chairman,
ED.
Izac.
LANSDALE G. SASSCER
JAMES J. HEFFERNAN.

MELVIN J. MAAS.
JAMES W. MOTT.
GEORGE J. BATES.

385
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
PROCUREMENT DIVISION
OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR

WASHINGTON

April 25, 1942

MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:

There is submitted herewith the operating report of Lend-Lease purchases for the week ended April
25, 1942.

The Office of Lend-Lease Administration has allocated $1,000,000 to the Procurement Division for the
purpose of leasing a pool of private warehouses throughout the country for use by any of the Government agencies in storing Lend-Lease supplies.

According to the arrangement, the Office of Defense Transportation will select the warehouses and we

will execute the leases, and the using agencies will reimburse us to the extent goods are stored in such warehouses. It has been determined by the Lend-Lease Admin-

istration and the Office of Defense Transportation that
such an arrangement is necessary to provide immediate

storage facilities for Lend-Lease supplies.
FORDEFENSE

BUY
UNITED
STATES
SAVINGS

BONDS
STAMPS

Director of Procurement
Setter Clifton E. Mack

LEND-LEASE

TREASURY DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT DIVISION
STATEMENT OF ALLOCATIONS, OBLIGATIONS (PURCHASES) AND
DELIVERIES TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AT U. S. PORTS

AS OF APRIL 25, 1942

(In Millions of Dollars)

Total

Allocations
Purchase Authoriza-

tion (Requisitions)

Requisitions cleared
for Purchase

$1402.3

U. K.
$ 682.0

(1401.3)

( 663.0)

$ 922.1

$ 619.5

( 888.9)

( 597.3)

RUSSIA

$ 247.0

( 246.8)
$ 252.4

( 241.4)
$ 220.7

Obligations (Pur-

$ 858.4 $ 590.4
( 828.3) ( 569.2)

$ 209.8

Deliveries to For-

$ 825.9 $ 571.5
799.1) ( 550.8)
320.2 $ 263.2

$ 38.1

chases)

(

( 211.3)
( 204.7)

ADMINISTRATIVE
CHINA

$ 55.2

( 55.2)

EXPENSES

$ 1.6

( 1.6)

$ 45.9

-

( 46.0)

-

$ 43.5

-

( 43.6)

-

$ 40.8

( 40.2)

$ .9
.8)

(

UNDISTRIBUTED &
MISCELLANEOUS

$ 416.5

( 434.7)

$ 4.3

( 4.2)
$ 3.8
( 4.2)
$ 2.9
(

2.6)

eign Governments

at U. S. Ports

( 307.8) ( 255.8)

( 34.4)

$ 17.8

-

( 16.7)

-

$

(

1.1
.9)

* Deliveries to foreign governments at U. S. Ports do not include the tonnage that is either in
storage, "in-transit" storage, or in the port area for which actual receipts have not been received from the foreign governments.
Note: Figures in parentheses are those shown on report of April 18, 1942.

387

EXPLANATION

The Allocations, Obligations, Deliveries to
Foreign Governments increased in total and for the

individual countries.
Purchase Authorizations and Requisitions

Cleared for Purchase increased in total and for
all countries excepting China, which showed a

slight decline as the result of a decrease in the
money value of requisitions in purchase.

388

April 25, 1942

MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:

There is submitted herewith the operating report of Lend-Lease purchases for the week ended April
25, 1942.

The Office of Lend-Lease Administration has allocated $1,000,000 to the Procurement Division for the
purpose of leasing a pool of private warehouses throughout the country for use by any of the Government agen-

cies in storing Lend-Lease supplies.
According to the arrangement, the Office of Defense Transportation will select the warehouses and we

will execute the leases, and the using agencies will reimburse us to the extent goods are stored in such warehouses. It has been determined by the Lend-Lease Admin-

istration and the Office of Defense Transportation that
such an arrangement is necessary to provide immediate

storage facilities for Lend-Lease supplies.
Ciffton E. Mack
Director of Procurement

LEND-LEASE
TREASURY DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT DIVISION

STATEMENT OF ALLOCATIONS, OBLIGATIONS (PURCHASES) AND

DELIVERIES TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AT U. S. PORTS

AS OF APRIL 25, 1942

(In Millions of Dollars)

Allocations
Purchase Authorisa-

tion (Requisitions)
Requisitions cleared
for Purchase

Obligations (Purchases)

Deliveries to Foreign Governments

at U. S. Ports

Total
$1402.3

U. K.
$ 682.0

(1401.3) ( 663.0)

ADMINISTRATIVE
RUSSIA

$ 247.0

( 246.8)

$ 922.1 $ 619.5
888.9) ( 597.3)

$ 252.4

858.4 $ 590.4
( 828.3) ( 569.2)

$ 220.7

$ 825.9 $ 571.5
( 799.1) ( 550.8)

$ 209.8

$ 320.2 263.2

307.8) ( 255.8)

( 241.4)

( 211.3)
( 204.7)
38.1

34.4)

CHINA

$ 55.2

( 55.2)

EXPENSES

$ 1.6

1.6)

UNDISTRIBUTED &
MISCELLANEOUS

$ 416.5

( 434.7)

$ 45.9

-

( 46.0)

4.3

-

4.2)

$ 43.5

-

( 43.6)

-

3.8
4.2)

$ 40.8

.9

2.9

.8)

2.6)

-

1.1

( 40.2)
17.8
16.7)

-

.9)

Deliveries to foreign governments at U. S. Ports do not include the tonnage that is either in
storage, "in-transit" storage, or in the port area for which actual receipts have not been received from the foreign governments.

Note: Figures in parentheses are those shown on report of April 18, 1942.

390

EXPLANATION

The Allocations, Obligations, Deliveries to
Foreign Governments increased in total and for the

individual countries.
Purchase Authorisations and Requisitions

Cleared for Purchase increased in total and for
all countries excepting China, which showed a

slight deeline as the result of a decrease in the
money value of requisitions in purchase.

391
WAR SHIPPING ADMINISTRATION
WASHINGTON

April 25, 1942

The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

The Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
Dear Henry:

I have yours of the 23rd enclosing memorandum from Mr.

Gaston on the situation in the port of New York.

I am using this memorandum as a basis for discussion aimed

at improving the condition. It must be improved.
Ever yours,

the

L. W. Douglas.

PROVICTORY

BUY

BONDS

392
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 25, 1942
TO

FROM

Subject:

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Kamarck

Shipment of Planes and Tanks to U.S.S.R.

Summary

1. In the period April 1 - 10, 66 planes

and 152 tanks (114 medium, 38 light were shipped

to the Red Army.

2. At the rate of shipments now achieved,
the Russians are being sent, roughly, one-quarter
of our light tank production and about one-half of

our medium tank production.

393

-2Table A

Shipments of Planes and Fighting Vehicles
from the United States to the
U.S.S.R.

Cumulative Total

Shipments

during

April 1-10, 1942

Jan.1, 1942 to
April 10, 1942

Planes

Pursuit

59

Bombers

7

Total

306
296
602

66

Tanks

Light

389
432

38

114

Medium

Total

152

821

Other Fighting Vehicles
Jeeps

Gun Carriers

*

o

0

1,549
78

These figures are based on export declarations received during
the period indicated.

296

306

66

7

59

159

238

170

68

38

172

238

115

123

22

20

60

4

56

821

432

389

602

152

114

38

417

258

210
42

tanks
Total

tanks
Medium

tanks

Light

Planes

Bombers

Total

by months

Pursuit

Shipments of Planes and Tanks to U.S.S.R.
Table B

-3-

April 10
Total 1942 to

April 1 - 10
March

February

January, 1942

395

Treasury Department

Division of Monetary Research
Date

19

To:

From:

For Secretary's files. No comment.

396

C

0

P

Y

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

April 25, 1942

In reply refer to
FD 893. 516/772

The Secretary of State presents his compliments to the
Honorable the Secretary of the Treasury and encloses a copy
of despatch No. 334, dated March 24, 1942, from the American
Embassy, Chungking, China, concerning a British proposal to
establish a branch of the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking
Corporation at Chungking.

Enclosure:
From Embassy, Chungking,

Despatch No. 334, dated
March 24, 1942

397
No. 334.

Chungking, March 24, 1942

Subject: Foreign banks in China; British proposal

to establish a branch of the Hongkong and

Shanghai Banking Corporation at Chungking;

restrictive Chinese regulations.

Air mail

The Honorable

The Secretary of State,
Washington, D. C.
Sir:

I have the honor to enclose copy of a memorandum of conversation

with Mr. Hall-Patch, financial attache of the British Embassy, in reference
to a proposal to establish a branch of the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking
Corporation at Chungking and restrictive Chinese regulations which,

according to Mr. Hall-Patch, would affect the extraterritorial status of
the bank.

I asked Mr. Hall-Patch for a copy of the Chinese banking regulations

to which he referred. The copy has not yet been received. If it reaches
me, I shall send it to the Department. I do not feel that the matter is
one in which I should show any interest by requesting a copy from the

Ministry of Finance at this time. If the copy cannot be obtained from the
British Embassy, however, I will endeavor to obtain it unofficially through
other channels.

Respectfully yours,
C. E. Gauss

Enclosure:

1. Copy of memorandum of conversation with Mr. Hall-Patch, dated
March 22, 1942.

Original and two copies by air mail to the Department
Three copies by pouch to the Department
851.6
CEG/mcl

True copy of

signed ori-

ginal. MCL

398
Enclosure no. 1 to despatch no. 334 dated March 24, 1942 from American
Embassy at Chungking.

( COPY )
Memorandum of Conversation.

March 22, 1942.

Subject: Foreign Banks in China; British proposal to
establish Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Corporation

office at Chungking: restrictive Chinese regulations.

Present: Mr. Hall-Patch, financial attache of the British
Embassy

Mr. Gauss

Mr. Hall-Patch, during a conversation with me on March 18th,
mentioned that he and the "pundits" of his Embassy had been giving
consideration to the possible establishment of a branch of the Hongkong
& Shanghai Banking Corporation at Chungking. The bank was not enthusiastic over the idea: it would be an expensive undertaking with

little return; but the British Embassy feels that it would be well to

have a foreign bank established here, functioning in China when peace

is restored; maintaining the foreign banking position. Therefore, the
Bank has sent a man to Chungking to look into the matter. (I understand
that Mr. Murray of the Penang branch of the Bank is here for that purpose

C.E.O.).

Hall-Patch went on to say that in following up this idea the British
Embassy had written to the Chinese Government and that the Government had

replied that it would of course welcome a foreign bank at Chungking but
that it must conform to the Chinese banking regulations. The British
Embassy had then inquired regarding these war-time banking regulations and
upon examining them considered that their application to a foreign bank

would be in derogation of extraterritorial rights. Hall-Patch wanted to
know what I thought of the proposal to have a foreign bank here-to hold the
position for after the war-and whether I thought such a bank should submit
to the Chinese regulations, which in effect represented a unilateral abolition

of their extraterritorial status.

I stated that so far as concerns the American banks, I had made no
recommendation that they open at Chungking: that I had no intention of
making any such recommendation; and that I had no information that the
National City or Chase banks were considering any such project. I continued that I could not recommend to my Government that any American bank
establishing here should submit to Chinese Government banking regulations
which unilaterally removed such an American bank from its extraterritorial

position. I did not know of the war-time banking regulations to which HallPatch referred and could not comment on them. I felt that under war conditions a foreign bank might find it advisable and in good form to conform
to any special war-time regulations, by way of cooperation, with a view to
working in harmony with the Chinese Government banks and the Chinese Govern-

ment: but I could not recommend that any bank submit to regulations which

399

would in effect deprive them of their extraterritorial status. I commented that we are all, of course, under commitment to move for the

abolition of extraterritorial jurisdiction after the war; but in my

opinion the abolition should be effected by orderly processes and not by
any unilateral action on the part of China. Respect for established foreign
interests demanded that there be no unilateral action; and I was not disposed to recommend a gradual breakdown by submitting to regulations such

as he described (but which I had not seen, and which I took it from his

statement were, as he stated, a repudiation of extraterritorial rights).
As to the necessity of a foreign bank at Chungking at this time, I
gave it as my personal opinion that the situation is not such as to demand
that such a bank be established. I pointed out that even in Japan, after

the abolition of extraterritoriality, foreign banks have functioned; and I
believed that the situation in China after the war would be such that the

resstablishment of foreign banks would not be opposed; it might be very
much welcomed. Rather than have to face the question of the Chinese banking
regulations mentioned by Hall-Patch, I would be disposed to recommend to an

American bank that they wait until after the war.

Hall-Patch then said that the question is being dealt with by his

Embassy from two angles. The first was the proposal to open a branch of
the Hongkong & Shanghai Bank here. On that approach they had reached the
impasse he had first described. A second angle has reference to the present
Hongkong & Shanghai Bank branch at Foochow. Anticipating re-occupation of
Foochow by the Japanese, consideration was being given to removing the Foochow
branch to Chungking. The Chinese when approached had indicated that this was
acceptable to them, and they had not mentioned the Chinese banking regulations.
Hall-Patch thought that it might be possible to move the Foochow branch to
Chungking without raising the question of the Chinese regulations. I made no
comment on the point.

Hall-Patch also referred in his conversation to the operations of the
French bank at Kunming: they are in a position, he said, to have relations
with the enemy; the British Embassy has approached the Chinese Government

in the matter and has received a reply saying that the Chinese Government
may control the French bank under the Chinese regulations; but as a matter of
fact such control is not being exercised. Hall-Patch commented that it would
be a rádiculous situation to have a British bank at Chungking operating under
the Chinese regulations and supervision while the French bank at Kunming was
not operating thereunder. I offered no comment on the subject.

(Initialed) CEG
C.E.G.
CEG/mcl

Copy:bj:4-29-42

400

Agents 25. syle

w.

N.D.V. Bell
will you please seed the following cable to the - logation, entre.
"from treasury. Reference No. 184, March 4. 7 pm.

For year information the Government has agreed to the tiation of dollar telegraphic treasure. checks - on the treasure
of the United States and the sale of United States - for official
purposes at the Date of 04-03-2/8 you pound as is Great Mettain Treasury

Northern Ireland and that the Bessish Government has ockied
the Dentation Central Insite and the National Bank of Name respecting

similar on the books of 04-03-1/2 per pound not is the
starting ww.°

Thilap-4/25/42

401

TEIEGRAM SENT
ELP

This telegram must be
paraphrased before being
communicated to anyone
other than E. Governmental
agency. (BR)

April 25, 1942.
10 p.m.

AMLEGATION,

CAIRO (EGYPT)
361

From Treasury.

QUOTE. REfErEncE No. 184, March 4, 7 p.m.

For your information the British Government

has agreed to the negotiction of dollrr telegraphic
transfers, checks drawn on the Treasurer O the
United States and the sale of United States

currency for officirl purposes ct the rate of (4.03-1/2
per pound net in Great Britain and Northern Irelrnd
and the Treasury understands that the British Government has cabled the Dominion Central Banks and the

National Bank of Egypt respecting similar arrange- ments on the basis of $4.03-1/2 per pound net in the
sterling arec. UNQUOTE.
HULL

(FL)

FD:FL:BMcB

402

GRAY

MEV

London

Dated April 25, 1942
Rec'd 9:44 n.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

2153, April 25, 2 p.m.
Department' B 1468 April 8, midnight.
Bank of England anxious to know time rE-

quired to Effect dollar credits in bank of deposit
after receipt of telegraphic information to Treasury
on local currency.
MATTHEWS

RLO

403

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 25, 1942
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. White

CONFIDENTIAL

Registered sterling transactions of the reporting banks were as follows:
Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns

£13,000

£ 6,000

Open market sterling remained at 4.03-3/4, with no reported transactions.
In New York, closing quotations for the foreign currencies listed below

were as follows:

Canadian dollar

Argentine peso (free)

12-5/16% discount

Colombian peso
Mexican peso

.2365
.0516
.5775
.2064

Uruguayan peso (free)
Venezuelan bolivar

.5295
.2860

Cuban peso

1/4% premium

Brazilian milreis (free)

We sold $2,977,000 in gold to the Central Bank of Venezuela, which was
earmarked for its account.
No new gold engagements were reported.

404

Copy No.

13

BRITISH MOST SECRET

(U.S. SECRET)
OPTEL No. 135

Information received up to 7 A.M., 25th April, 1942.
1, MILITARY

BURMA. 23rd, The Chinese are counter attacking on the KARENNI
Front near TAUNGGYI and are hard pressed on the SITTANG Front, There is nothing
to report from the IRRAWADDY Front,

RUSSIA, The Russians are maintaining their pressure on the German
16th Army and are continuing to make local attacks in the Central Sector West and
Southwest of MOSCOW.

2, AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 23rd/24th. 91 tons of high explosive and over
30,000 incendiaries (about 110 tons) were dropped on ROSTOCK and 28 tons of high

explosive on the Heinkel Works, Many large fires were started in the town and
several hits are claimed on the factory. 14 R.C.A.F. and seven New Zealand air-

craft took part without loss. 24th. 12 Bostons escorted by 26 Squadrons of
Spitfires attacked the Harbour area at FIUSHING. A further 14 Squadrons of Spitfires carried out sweeps over Northern FRANCE. During these operations 5 enemy
aircraft were destroyed, one probably destroyed and 4 damaged. We lost 10 Spit-

fires. A Hudson bombed a 2,000 ton Merchant Vessel off the Nerwegian Coast. It

is believed that the ship was seriously damaged or sunk, 24th/25th. 179 aircraft
were sent out - ROSTOCK 91, Heinkel Assembly Works, ROSTOCK, 34, DUNKIRK 47. Two

are missing and one crashed. Preliminary reports indicate that most aircraft
attacked ROSTOCK in perfect conditions with excellent results, Large fires seen,

At Heinkel Works attack considered very successful, Most aircraft attacked object
ive. Large fires seen in the factory. One 4,000 1b. bomb seen to go through the
roof of the Assembly Shop. 30 R.C.A.F. and 7 R.A.A.F. aircraft took part in the
night's operations. One Canadian aircraft among the missing. 25 enemy aircraft
flow over southwest ENGLAND.

MALTA. No air attacks have been reported,

SICILY. 23rd/24th. 9 sorties of Wellingtons, two of which are
missing, attacked COHISO aerodrome.
3. HOME SECURITY

24th/25th, EXETER, Damage to house property. 20 persons so far

reported killed.

405
.0

UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

COORDINATOR OF INFORMATION
WASHINGTON, D.C.

BOOK
NO

April 25, 1942
Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

Washington, D. C.
Dear Henry:

The attached is the British Home

Intelligence Report for the week ending
April 22.
Sincerely,

Bill

William J. Donovan
Attachment

406

SECRET
COOKDINATOR of INFORMATION

1. Public feeling in its present state is less
susceptible than ever to assessment. Sense of detachment

from war reported by four regions, while "more lively interest
in both home news and news from abroad" found in three regions.

Expectancy continues. Spirits rising slightly because of:
(a) Tokyo bombing, which was termed "best news we have had

for months"; (b) budget, which was generally accepted as "fair

and sound, attuned to general demand for austerity"; (c) the
"non-offensive" of the RAF over the continent. A "real kick"
to everybody; (d) good weather.

2. Ranged against this slight improvement are the
continued anxiety over Burma and the uncertainty and disgust
occasioned by Daval's return to dominance. But these are outbalanced by former factors.

3. Tokyo raids brought forth a "wave of exultation"
and the hope that "Americans will give them more of this".

"Tide is turning in this area and American activity is
increasing.
4. Little comment on Russia. One report comes from
Scotland; "Growing minority turning away from Russia, as it

is felt by anti-second-fronters that Maisky, Litvinov, and
others have not been helpful to Allies in stimulating impossible
demand for second front."

5. Regarding war in West. "Great scale" of recent
bombings of Italy and Germany has caused satisfaction.
Admiration evoked by Augsburg raid, but opinion divided on

question of whether "such losses are or are not worth while.'
6. Regarding Government: little criticism or mention.
7. War strain being felt by middle-aged people,
what with such new burdens as longer working hours, home guard

duties, care of evacuees, etc.

407
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

COORDINATOR OF INFORMATION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
ROOMING

April 25, 1942
The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.
Dear Henry:

The attached is the British Ministry of
Warfare Weekly Propaganda Digest.

Sincerely,

Bill

William J. Donovan

408

SECRET
COORDINATOR OF INFORMATION

Germany:

For hoarding, destroying, or witholding raw materials
vital to needs of population a new decree provides heavy
terms of imprisonment at hard labor.

Italy:
Because of a) balking by industrialists; b) dependence

on imports from countries which fix prices without regard to

internal Italian legislation, efforts at price control are
failing. From July to December 1941 average price of a shirt

rose from 50 to 100 lira, of a pair of socks from 8 to 18
lira.
France:

Food supplies so short in large towns during March
that mass street demonstrations occurred in Montpelier, Sete,
and Lyons. Crowds shouted for meat, milk, and bread. Thousands of women sent deputations to mayors and signed petitions.
Shops were looted in some cases.
Belgium:

Todt organization constructing concrete walls. Along

entire Atlantic coast there is great activity in the building
of fortifications. More than one half total French cement
production, now running at about 2,500,000 tons, earmarked
for this purpose by Germans.

THE WHITE HOUSE 4/26/42
WASHINGTON

Hery
to

in

send this along

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

April 25, 1942.
MEMORANDUM FOR

H. M., JR.

Your draft is excellent BUT

(a) I haven't got room for
it.
(b) It would make this a
Tax Message instead of an

over-all cost of living
Message.

F. D. R.

410.

apr 26.
FOURTE DRA
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:

In certain ways the present world encireling was presents
problems which were unimainable during the First World War.

The Mestres of combet today cover vastly greater areas.

Many more millions of I beings are involved. The new factors
of mechanical power, in the air and on the land and on the sea

have produced redical changes in basic strategy and tacties.
In this new was the nations resisting the Axis Powers

face an even greater challenge to their very existence. They
fight more simister fees, but their understanding of the
magnitude of the task and the very firmness of their determination make vistory certain in the long days to come.

But, in other ways, the circumstances of today parallel
those of 1917-1918. Non, as in the last war, the common enemy

has all the simustage at the outset; now, as then, it has and
will cost bitter defeats and heavy losses to those who are
defending OUR type of civilization, before they will be able
to establish the vital superiority in men and minitions which

will turn the tide.

411
FOURTH DRAFT

--

The United States was far better prepared for actual
war on December 7, 1941 than it was on April 6, 1917. For
over two years by a succession of Congressional Acts we had

carried out or initiated safety measures for our own defense
in growing volume and importance. There were the revisions of

the Neutrality laws, the adoption of the Selective Service
law and the Lend-Lease Law, and the great increases of our
Army and Navy and the instruments of war which they needed.

Finally, after Pearl Harbor, the American people adopted
a national program of war production which would have been

called fantastic by most people two years before. It has required the shifting of the major part of American industry from
the products of peace to the weapons of war.

Inevitably -- but with the full approval of the nation -this enormous program is dislocating industry, labor, agri-

culture and finance. It is disrupting, and will continue to
disrupt, the normal manner of life of every American and every

American family. In this, we follow the pattern of the first
World War, although on a vastly greater scale.

412

During that earlier war there were certain economic
factors which produced unnecessary hardships; and these hard-

ships continued long after the signing of the Armistice. I use
the word "unnecessary" because it is my belief that a very great
deal of the suffering which was caused then can be avoided now.

These economic factors relate primarily to an easily

understood phrase which affects the lives of all of us -- the
cost of living. Because rises in the cost of living which came
with the last war were not checked in the beginning, people in
this country in 1918 and 1919 paid nearly twice as much for the

same things at the end of the war as they did at the start of

it.
The rise in the cost of living during this war has
begun to parallel the last. The time has definitely come to
stop the spiral.

413
FOURTH DRAFT

While the cost of living, based on the average prices
of necessities, has gone up about 20% so far, since the Autum

of 1939, we must now act to keep it from rising another 605
or 80% during the next year or two - to hold it to somewhere
near the present level.
There are obvious reasons for taking every step

necessary to prevent this rise. I emphasize the words "every
step" because no single step whuld be adequate by itself.

Action in one direction alone would be offset by inaction in
other directions. Only an all-embracing program will suffice.
When the cost of living spirals upward week after
week and month after month, people as a whole are bound to
become poorer, because the pay envelope lags behind rising

retail prices. The price paid for carrying on the war by
the Government and, therefore, by the people, will increase

by many billions if prices go up and if that happens we and
our children will be burdened with such higher debts in
years to cause. Furthermore, there is an old and trye saying
that that which goes up must always come down - and you and

I know the hardships and heartaches we all went through in
the bad years after the last war, when Americans were losing

414

FOURTH DRAZE

their homes and their farms and their savings and were looking

in vain for jobs.
We do not intend after this war to present the same
disastrous situation to those brave new who today are fighting

our battles in all parts of the world. That is the least
that our soldiers, sailors and marines have a right to expect

/

of us civilians in government, in industry, on the farm and

in all other walks of life.
We must therefore adopt as one of our principal donestic

objectives the stabilisation of the cost of living, for this
is essential to the fertification of our whole economic
structure.
Relying on past and present experience, and leaving
out masses of details which relate more to questions of method

than to the objective itself, I list for the Congress the
following points, which, taken together, may well be called
our present national economic policy.

L

1. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upward,
we must tax heavily and keep personal and corporate

profits at a reasonable rate, the word #reasonable*

being defined at a low level.

FOURTH DRAFT

--

414

2. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upward,

we must fix seilings on the prices which consumers and
wholesalers and manufacturers pay for the things they
buy.

3. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upward,
we must stabilize the remuneration received by individuals

for their work.
4. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upward,
we must stabilize the prices received by growers for the

products of their lands.
5. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upward, we
must encourage all citizens to contribute to the cost
of winning this war by purchasing Government War Bonds

with their earnings instead of using those earnings to

buy articles which are not essential.

6. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upard,
we must ration all commodities of which there is a

scarcity, so that they may be distributed fairly among
consumers and not merely in accordance with financial

ability to pay high prices for them.

416
FOURTH DRAFT

-7-

7. To keep the cost of living from spiraling upward we
must discourage credit and instalment buying, and encourage

the paying off of debts, mortgages, and other obligations;
for this promotes savings, retards excessive buying and
adds to the amount available for the purchase of War Bonds.

I know that you will appreciate that these seven principal
points, each and every one of them, will contribute in sub-

stantial fashion to the great objective of keeping the cost of
living down.

It is my best judgment that only one of these points re-

quires legislation at the present time, for the very good
reason that the Congress has already passed laws with respect

to the others which seem adequate to meet the national policy

enunciated. I assure the Congress that if the required

objectives are not attained, and if the cost of living does
continue to rise substantially, I shall so advise the Congress,
and shall ask for any additional legislation which may be
necessary.

417
FOURTE DRAFT

-s-

In the one item where legislation is now necessary,
the subject is under consideration in the House of Repre-

sentatives. I refer to the first item - the purpose of which
is to keep excess profits down and, at the same time, raise

further large sums for the financing of the war.
On this subject, I believe that the objective can be
attained through tax processes. We are now spending, solely

autherely

for was purposes, the sun of about one hundred million dollars

every day of the week. But before this year is over that rate
of expenditure will be doubled. This means that a sum equal

to more than half of the entire national income will be spent

in the war effort. Almost the whole of these billions is
being and will be spent within the United States itself.
Prefits must be taxed to the utuost limit consistent

with continued production. This seans all business prefits -

not only in making but in making or selling anything else. Under the proposed new tax law we seek to take

by tamition all - or excess profits. It is incumbert
upon the Congress to define - or excess profite, and
anything in excess of that specific figure should 8
subscribally to the Government.

418
FOURTH DRAVE

-

One of our difficultues is to write a law in which seme
elever people will not find leopholes, OF in which some businesses

will not be equitably included. I have suggested to the Chairman
of the Committee on Ways and Means in the House of Representatives

that some blanket clause could well cover, by a special tax, all
profits of any kind of business which exceed the expressed

definition of the legal profit figure.
At the same time, while the number of individual Americans
affected is small, discrepancies between low personal incomes and

very high personal incomes should be lessend and I therefore

believe that in time of this grave national danger, when all
excess income should go to win the war, no American citisen

ought to have a not income, after he has paid his taxes, of more

than 825,000 a year. It is indefensible that those who enjoy

large incomes from State and local securities should be i
from taxation while we are at war. Interest on such securities
should be subject at least to surtanes.
I earnestly hope that the Congress will pass a new tax

bill at the earliest moment possible. Such action is imporative
in the comprehensive all-out effort to keep the cost of living
down.

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The second item, relating to price control is adequately covered by existing law, and is being put into

effect as rapidly as possible. It is our effort to be fair
in all phases of price control; and.If:our future experience

reveals inequality or unfairness, corrections will, of course,
be made.

The third item, seeking to stabilize remuneration for
work, is also covered at the present time by existing laws

and executive orders. If the cost of living remains relatively stable, no one is going to be hurt. Most workers in
munition industries are working far more than forty hours
a week, and should continue to be paid at time and a half
for overtime. Otherwise, their weekly pay envelopes would
be reduced.

Concerning the question of double time for Sunday: it
is contrary to sound policy to make people work more than six

consecutive days. But, if we are going to keep our plants
going seven days a week, that seventh day of rest will have

to be "staggered", and it will therefore fall on different
days for different workers. However, when very rare emergency

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circumstances in a plant make it necessary for a laborer to work

on his day of rest - whother it be Sunday or not - he should
be paid double wages for that seventh day.
The War Labor Board machinery has been generally accepted

by labor and industry for the settlement of all disputes; and
organized labor has given up its right to strike during the war.
All strikes are at a minimum. Existing contracts between employees

and employees must, in all fairness, be carried out to the

expiration date of those contracts. The existing machinery for
labor disputes will, of course, continue to give due consideration
to inequalities and the elimination of sub-standards of living.
I repeat that all of these processes, now in existence, will
work equitably for the overwhelming proportion of our workers

if we can keep the cost of living down. This policy will guide
all Government agencies.

In regard to item four, prices of farm products: for
nearly nine years it has been the policy of the Government to
seek an objective known as #perity* - or, in other words, farm
prices that give the farmer an assurance of equality in
individual purchasing power with his follow Americans who work

in industry. Some of the products of the farms have not yet

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reached the stage of parity. Others have exceeded parity.
Under existing legislation a ceiling cannot be placed on
certain products until they reach a level somewhat above

parity. I am confident, however, that with price ceilings
imposed in accordance with law, the average of all farm pro-

ducts can be substantially kept at a parity level.
With respect to item five, the American people know that

if we would raise the billions which we now need to pay for
the war and at the same time prevent a disastrous rise in the
cost of living, we shall have to double and more than double

the scale of our savings. Every dime and dollar not vitally
needed for absolute necessities should go into War Savings
Bonds and Stamps to add to the striking power of our armed
forces.

If these purchases are to have a material effect in
restraining price increases they must be made out of current

income. In almost every individual case they should be big
enough to mean rigid self-denial, a substantial reduction for
most of us in the scale of expenditure that is comfortable
and easy for us. We cannot fight this war, we cannot exert
our maximum effort, on a spend-as-usual basis. We cannot have

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all we want, if our soldiers and sailors are to have all
they need.

I have been urged by many persons and groups to

recommend the adoption of a compulsory plan of savings by

deducting a certain percentage of everyone's income. I prefer,
however, to keep the voluntary plan in effect as long as
possible, and I hope for a magnificent response.

With respect to item six -- rationing -- it is obviously
fair that where there is not enough of any commodity to meet

all civilian demands, those who can afford to pay more for
the commodity should not be privileged over others who cannot.

I am confident that as to many basic necessities of life
rationing will not be necessary, because we shall strive to
the utmost to have an adequate supply. But where any article
becomes searce, rationing is the democratic, equitable solution.

Item seven -- paying off debts and curtailing instalment
buying - should be made effective as soon as possible now that
money is becoming more phentiful. Those who comply with it

will be grateful that they have done so, when this war is over.
Flimination of private debts and an accumulation of savings
will provide a form of insurance against post-war depression.

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As to all of these items which do not require legis-

lation, the executive departments and agencies whose functions

and duties are involved, are at work as expeditiously as

possible in carrying out this whole broad policy.
The result will be to require of every one of us some

share of secrifice. Americans all will welcome this opportunity
to share in the common effort of civilized mankind to preserve
decency and dignity in modern life.
The broad read which I am asking the American people to

travel is in many ways a road of sacrifice, for we shall have

to live our lives with less in the way of creature comforts
than we have in time of peace. Some have called it an economy

of sacrifice", but we must interpret it in terms of the nobler
concepts - the equality of sacrifice and the privilege of
sacrifice. For this is fundamentally a people's war - and
it must be followed by a people's peace. The achievement of

victory in war and security in peace requires the participation
of all the people in the fight for our common cause.

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April 26, 1942.

MEMORANDUM

TO:

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM: Mr. Gaston

The fourth draft of the President's message to
Congress, which we saw this morning, contains the
"### and I therefore believe
following language:

that in time of this great National danger, when all
excess income should go to win the war, no American

citizen ought to have a net income, after he has paid

his taxes, of more than $25,000 a year. It is inde-

fensible that those who enjoy large incomes from State
and local securities should be immune from taxes while

we are at war. Interest on such securities should be
subject at least to surtaxes.
It was our belief that this language leaves you
free to maintain before Congress your position that
the exemptions granted in outstanding Federal securi-

ties are inviolate. In the case of any individuals

who might have income in excess of $25,000 a year ex-

empt from additional Federal taxation, by virtue of the
contract obligations written into the securities them-

selves, the excess over $25,000 might be recaptured
for the duration of the war by compulsory loans to the
Federal Government in an amount equal to the excess.
This would not, in my opinion, involve any breach of

the Government's obligations. I gathered that Mr.

Paul and the others of the group were in agreement on

this point.

Mrs.

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April 26, 1942.

MEMORANDUM

TO:

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM: Mr. Gaston

The fourth draft of the President's message to

Congress, which we saw this morning, contains the

following language: "### and I therefore believe
that in time of this great National danger, when all

excess income should go to win the war, no American

citizen ought to have a net income, after he has paid

his taxes, of more than $25,000 a year. It is inde-

fensible that those who enjoy large incomes from State
and local securities should be immune from taxes while

we are at war. Interest on such securities should be

subject at least to surtaxes.
"

It was our belief that this language leaves you
free to maintain before Congress your position that
the exemptions granted in outstanding Federal securi-

ties are inviolate. In the case of any individuals

who might have income in excess of $25,000 a year ex-

empt from additional Federal taxation, by virtue of the
contract obligations written into the securities them-

selves, the excess over $25,000 might be recaptured

for the duration of the war by compulsory loans to the

Federal Government in an amount equal to the excess.

This would not, in my opinion, involve any breach of
the Government's obligations. I gathered that Mr.

Paul and the others of the group were in agreement on

this point.

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It was not necessary to send this
letter to the President, because the
President followed HM,Jr's advice.

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THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
WASHINGTON

April 26, 1942.

My dear Mr. President:

I want to say to you in the most sober and
emphatic manner possible that I cannot go along with
any new plan of taxation which will involve directly
or indirectly taxing outstanding Federal obligations
that are either wholly or partially tax-exempt on any
basis that will violate the present exemptions.
These exemptions were written into the laws

under which the various securities were issued. They
are expressed in definite terms on the face of the
securities themselves. To attempt to abolish or to
modify these exemptions would be an outright breach

of contract.

In addition the honor of this Administration is
involved. I have said repeatedly, in my own office

and before committees of Congress, in public and in
executive session, that I would never propose, support nor permit as long as I was Secretary of the
Treasury any default on the exemptions contained in
these outstanding Federal securities.

The case is very different with the State and

local securities. There is no contract of this Govern-

ment involved. If we were to make them subject to surtax taxation we should be doing no more than taxing
them at the same rates and on the same basis as we tax

all but a very small proportion of the Federal securi-

ties that were outstanding before we completely abolished

the exemptions as to future issues last year. Except
for an insignificant amount of old issues, all the outstanding Treasury bonds issued before the exemptions

POPDEFENSE

BUY
WATER
STATES

BONDS
ANDISLAMPS

were totally removed are exempt from the normal tax, but
not exempt from the surtax. The war tax increases are
in the surtax brackets. The exemption from the normal
tax is of no more value now than it was when the securities were issued. The great evil about the exemptions

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-2on States and municipals, on the contrary, is that
the higher the surtax rates go the more valuable

become their exemptions. They are dodging war taxation completely. I can't see any reason why they
should not be made subject to the same rule of taxation as all the Federal bonds we issued between the
first World War and the passage of the Public Debt
Act of 1941 on February 19, 1941. This rule would
make them subject to surtaxes but not to normal taxes.

But any indirect plan which would have the effect
of exposing the Federals to the normal tax would be

a direct repudiation of a formal, written contract of
this Government and I feel quite certain that it would

have a demoralizing effect on the market for Federal
securities, would create new uncertainties and would

no doubt greatly increase the costs of financing. The
fact that it would be violation of my solemn promises
on behalf of the Administration is secondary, of course,
but it is so weighty with me that I cannot now see how
I could continue to carry the burden of the continued
war financing if the promises were repudiated.
Sincerely,

Secretary of the Treasury.

The President,
The White House.

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BRITISH MOST SECRET

(U.S. SECRET)

OPTEL No. 136

Information received up to 7 A.M., 26th April, 1942,
1. NAVAL

23/24. One of H.M. destroyers engaged three E-boats at close range
off ETAPLES and hit one of them. One of H.M. submarines sank a 1,500 ton ship on

the 9th and a 3,500 ton ship, with deck cargo, on the 13th, Both were in convoy
on the Libyan coast. In the South Adriatic an H.M. submarine sank a laden 6,000

ton ship with torpedo on the 1st and a laden 1,200 ton ship by gunfire on the 7th,
One of H.M. submarines is overdue and must be considered lost. A medium sized
British merchant ship was sunk by explosion at SUEZ on the 23rd,
2. MILITARY

BURMA. 24th, IRRAWADDY Front. During the withdrawal from the PIN
CHAUNG our Forces were obliged to destroy their guns and transport and suffered

heavy casualties, Chinese troops covering this withdrawal were partially successful in clearang YENANGYAUNG and withdrew on the night 21st/22nd. On the 24th, our
forces were in the area about 30 miles northeart of YENANGYAUNG. No enemy contact
reported.

SITTANG Front, Chinese heavily engaged 10 miles south of YAMETHIN.

KARENNI Front, Japanese using light tanks control the TAUNGGYI LOILEM road and have penetrated towards LAIHKA, Result of Chinese counter attack
on TAUNGGYT not yet known,
3, AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 24th/25th, About 50 tens of H.E. and 66 tons of
incendiaries were dropped on ROSTOCK and 34 tons of H.E. with 9 tons of incendiarie:

on the Heinker Works. Weather excellent, attacks most successful, Heinkel Works
ablaze, 74 tons of H.E. were dropped upon Dunkirk docks.

25th. A total of 30 Bostons and 8 Hurricane bombers, with fighter
recort attacked the docks at CHERBOURG, DUNKIRK and HAVRE, ABBEVILLE railway centre

and a parachute factory at CALAIS. Two Bostons are missing. In support of these
operations, about 575 fighters were despatched of which 16 are missing. 9 enemy
circraft were destroyed, 2 probably destroyed and 11 damaged,

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-225th/26th. 180 aircraft were sent out - ROSTOCK 110. Heinkel Works
18, DUNKIRK 32. Skoda Works PLZEN 6. Aerodromes 9. Leaflets 5. 5 bombers are

missing. Preliminary reports, ROSTOCK. Fine weather, many fires. 12 heavies and
5 Hampdens attacked one Heinkel works. Only 1 aircraft reached PLZEN. About

80

enemy aircraft came overland and dropped bombs chiefly in southwest ENGLAND,

especially in the BRISTOL and BATH areas. Night fighters shot down three and
damaged one. No serious damage was done but casualties are reported to be fairly
high.

LIBYA. 24th. Kittyhawks attacked a camp and mechanical transport
shot down one Me. 109 and probably destroyed another. 2 aircraft are missing.
MALTA. Between 2.0 p.m. 23rd and 1,15 p.m. 25th 245 bombers with

fighter escort attacked. Serious damage was caused to service and civilian property and a number of casualties have been reported. Seven of our aircraft were
destroyed on the ground and 6 others damaged. Fighters and A.A. fire destroyed

8 enemy aircraft, probably destroyed 4 and damaged 27. 2 of our fighters are
missing and 3 crash landed, pilots safe.