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DIARY

Book 513

April 3 - 6, 1942

-ABook

Page

513

376

Airplanes
See also Lend-Lease: U.S.S.R.

Shipments to British Forces - Kamarck report - 4/6/42

Alaska

Japanese Citizens: Evacuation of - Foley memorandum 4/6/42

380

Alien Property Custodian

See Foreign Funds Control
Amtorg Trading Corporation
See U.S.S.R.

B-

Barnard, Chester I.
Dwight Davis and HMJr discuss - 4/3/42
Barth, Alan

56

Editorial Opinion on the War: Twilight of Imperialism 4/3/42.

156

British Purchasing Mission

Vesting order sales - 4/6/42

Business Conditions
Haas memorandum on situation, week ending April 4, 1942 4/6/42

368,369

355

-Ceylon

See Military Reports

China

See also Lend-Lease

Loan: Soong calls at personal request of Generalissimo
to extend thanks to HMJr - 4/3/42

58

Rate of exchange between Chinese national currency and

currencies in occupied areas - 4/4/42
Committee (Special) to Investigate National Defense Program

243

See Defense, National

Correspondence

Mrs. Forbush's resume' - 4/3/42
Cost of Living
See Inflation

148

Customs, Bureau of

New York Laboratory - Wollner memorandum - 4/3/42

97

-DDefense, National

National Defense Program, Special Committee to Investigate:
Standard Oil Company-I.G. Farben Dye Trust: Foley
statement before Committee - 4/3/42
$1 a year men: HMJr and Truman (Senator, Missouri)

to discuss - 4/6/42

a) Conference - 4/8/42: See Book 514, page 138

176
330

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Book

Page

513

194,248,404

Defense Savings Bonds
See Financing, Government

# Inflation

Dollar-a-year Men
See Defense, National

-EExchange Market

Resume's - 4/3/42, etc
F

Farben Dye Trust, I. G.
See Foreign Funds Control
Financing, Government

White's attitude toward Treasury policy discussed at
9:30 meeting - 4/6/42

261

Defense Savings Bonds:

Progress report - 4/4/42
Payroll Savings Plans - operation of as of
April 4, 1942
Conference of Treasury group - 4/6/42
a) Forced versus voluntary savings discussed
(For future discussions, see Inflation)

223

232
280

War Savings Bonds - name changed from Defense

Savings Bonds - 4/6/42
a) Publicity on - 4/10/42: See Book 515, page 114

317

b) Public reaction - Merillat: Book 514, page 115
c) Effective date of "War Savings Staff" 4/15/42: Book 516, page 326

Toscanini, Arturo: Again offers complete assistance 4/6/42.

318

by National Broadcasting Company - 4/6/42

320

Sarnoff, David: Thanked for talk at end of series
a) Sarnoff's reply - 4/8/42 Book 514, page 238

Foreign Funds Control

Policy of "no remittances to persons in enemy and
enemy-occupied areas except limited amounts to
American citizens through State Department": Foley's

review of position - 4/3/42

Standard Oil Company--I. G. Farben Dye Trust: Foley
statement before Senate Special Committee to
Investigate National Defense Program - 4/3/42
Alien Property Custodian: Foley to draw up amendment

167

176

to Executive Order making it impossible for Alien
Property Custodian to draw on Foreign Funds Control

for funds unless pertaining to a particular business -

4/6/42

353

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General Counsel, Office of
Report on projects during February 1942 - 4/3/42

Book

Page

513

102

Germany

"Voice of the Chief": HMJr suggests more extensive
use of this German broadcast within United States 4/6/42

406

-IIndia

National City Bank of New York: Closing of branches
at Calcutta and Bombay discussed in cable from
American Consulate, Bombay - 4/6/42

Inflation
Conference; present: HMJr, Bell, Haas, Paul, Sullivan,
White, Currie, Galbraith, Jones, Hansen, Gilbert,

399

Colm, Leland, and Smith - 4/3/42.

5

a) Currie memorandum to FDR supporting Treasury

position in almost every respect - 4/3/42

Conference; present: HMJr, Haas, Gaston, Sullivan,
Paul, Kuhn, Blough, and White - 4/3/42.

HMJr's draft for FDR on cost of living - 4/3/42

a) Copies sent to Wallace and Henderson
Defense Savings Bonds: Conference of Treasury group 4/6/42

52

60

75,81
351,352
280

a) Forced versus voluntary savings discussed
Conference; present: HMJr, Paul, Blough, and Graves 4/6/42.

333

a) Paul: Opposition once more united; Treasury
standing alone; advocates careful program before
talking to FDR
b) Paul's memorandum on conference held in his
office
c) Currie-HMJr conversation on Gilbert's change

of stand, etc. - 4/6/42

343
347

-Japanese Citizens
See Alaska

Japanese in United States

Agricultural lands on West Coast of evacuee nationals Foley memorandum - 4/6/42

a) Agriculture-Treasury correspondence - 4/6/42

382
387

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Lend-Lease

Allocations, obligations, and deliveries to foreign
governments at United States ports - 4/4/42
Delays - elimination of - discussed by Lend-Lease

513

237

and Treasury - 4/11/42: See Book 515, page 331

China: Gasoline to be transferred from India by Texas
Company and Standard Vacuum 011 Company - 4/6/42
U.S.S.R.:

394

See also Books 499, 506, 507, and 509

Shipments - urgency on speed: Tickton report on trip
to Philadelphia port - 4/6/42.

373

(See also Book 515, page 334 - 4/10-11/42)

a) Bottom cargo sent from mills to Philadelphia,
March 30-April 4: Book 514, page 251

b) Bottom cargo for U.S.S.R. sent from mill to
port: Book 515, page 220 - 4/10/42; Book 516,
page 57 - 4/13/42
United Kingdom: Airplanes transferred from British

financed contracts and utilized by United States or
transferred to U.S.S.R.: War Department letter further
elucidating position - 4/3/42

187

(See also Book 517, page 284 - 4/17/42)
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Military Reports

British operations reports - 4/3/42, etc

196,249,250,
405

"Voice of the Chief": HMJr suggests more extensive use
of this German broadcast within United States 4/6/42

406

Coordinator of Information reports:

British Ministry of Information - 4/6/42
German Home Propaganda - 4/6/42

Kamarck report on Japanese attack on Ceylon - 4/6/42
Kamarck summary - 4/6/42

409
411
414

415

-NNational Defense Program, Special Committee to Investigate
See Defense, National

-PProcurement Division

Utah: State Procurement Officer removed for making
purchases allegedly for Government and diverting material

to private uses - 4/6/42

367

-Sarnoff, David
See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds

Book Page

Shipping

See Lend-Lease: U.S.S.R.

Special Committee to Investigate National Defense Program
See Defense, National

Stabilization Fund
Annual report for year ending June 30, 1941 - 4/4/42.

513

218

Standard Oil Company

See Foreign Funds Control

-TToscanini, Arturo
See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds
Truman, Harry S. (Senator, Missouri)
See National Defense Program, Special Committee to
Investigate
- U- U.S.S.R.

See also Lend-Lease

Gold Purchase Agreement amended from 180 to 240 days 4/6/42

370

Amtorg Trading Corporation: Income tax case to be
withdrawn from New York jurisdiction and handled in
Washington - 4/6/42
Utah

See Procurement Division

-"Voice of the Chief"
See Germany

-WWar Department

See Lend-Lease: U.S.S.R.
War Savings Bonds

See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds
White, Harry D.
See Financing, Government

371

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington
FOR RELEASE, MORNING NEWSPAPERS,

Friday, April 3, 1942.

4/2/42

Press Service
No. 30-95

Subscriptions for the Treasury certificates of indebtedness
to be offered for cash next Monday will be entertained from the
various classes of subscribers on the same basis as those entered
for the last two cash offerings of Treasury bonds. That basis
was set forth in a Treasury press release dated December 3, 1941,

and it will be contained in the formal offering circular.
Attention is called to the other provisions of the December 3
statement, which also will be applicable to this offering.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington

FOR RELEASE, MORNING NEWSPAPERS,

Friday, April 3, 1942.

The Secretary of the Treasury, by this public notice, invites
tenders for $150,000,000, or thereabouts, of 72-day Treasury bills,
to be issued on a discount basis under competitive bidding. The

bills of this series will be dated April 8, 1942, and will mature
June 19, 1942, when the face amount will be payable without interest
They will be issued in bearer form only, and in denominations of
$1,000, $5,000, $10,000, $100,000, $500,000, and $1,000,000
(maturity value).
Tenders will be received at Federal Reserve Banks and Branchee

up to the closing hour, two o'clock p. m. Eastern War time, Monday,
April 6, 1942. Tenders will not be received at the Treasury
Department, Washington. Each tender must be for an even multiple
of $1,000, and the price offered must be expressed on the basis of

100, with not more than three decimals, e. g., 99.925. Fractions
may not be used. It 18 urged that tenders be made on the printed
forms and forwarded in the special envelopes which will be supplied
by Federal Reserve Banks or Branches on application therefor.
Tenders will be received without deposit from incorporated
banks and trust companies and from responsible and recognized
dealers in investment securities. Tenders from others must be

accompanied by payment of 10 percent of the face amount of Treasury

bills applied for, unless the tenders are accompanied by an express
guaranty of payment by an incorporated bank or trust company.

Immediately after the closing hour, tenders will be opened at

the Federal Reserve Banks and Branches, following which public
announcement will be made by the Secretary of the Treasury of the
amount and price range of accepted bids. Those submitting tenders

will be advised of the acceptance or rejection thereof. The
Secretary of the Treasury expressly reserves the right to accept or
reject any or all tenders, in whole or in part, and his action in
any such respect shall be final. Payment of accepted tenders at
the prices offered must be made or completed at the Federal Reserve
Bank in cash or other immediately available funds on April 8, 1942.
The income derived from Treasury bills, whether interest or
gain from the sale or other disposition of the bills, shall not have
any exemption, as such, and loss from the sale or other disposition
30-94

(over)

-2of Treasury bills shall not have any special treatment, as such,
under Federal tax Acts now or hereafter enacted. The bills shall
be subject to estate, inheritance, gift, or other excise taxes,
whether Federal or State, but shall be exempt from all taxation
now or hereafter imposed on the principal or interest thereof by
any State, or any of the possessions of the United States, or by
any local taxing authority. For purposes of taxation the amount
of discount at which Treasury bills are originally sold by the
United States shall be considered to be interest. Under Sections
42 and 117 (a) (1) of the Internal Revenue Code, as amended by
Section 115 of the Revenue Act of 1941, the amount of discount at

which bills issued hereunder are sold shall not be considered to
accrue until such bills shall be sold, redeemed or otherwise
disposed of, and such bills are excluded from consideration as
capital assets. Accordingly, the owner of Treasury bills (other
than life insurance companies) issued hereunder need include in
his income tax return only the difference between the price paid
for such bills, whether on original issue or on subsequent purchase
and the amount actually received either upon sale or redemption
at maturity during the taxable year for which the return is made,
as ordinary gain or loss.
Treasury Department Circular No. 418, as amended, and this

notice, prescribe the terms of the Treasury bills and govern the
conditions of their issue. Copies of the circular may be obtained
from any Federal Reserve Bank or Branch.

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April 3. 1942.

Dear Randolphi

Thank you for your telegram of congratule-

tions on the new offering. I as glad to know
that you regard 11 as a wise one, and that you

think it will be successful.
with best wishes,
Sincerely,
(Signed) Henry

Dr. W. Randolph Burgess,

The National City Bank of New York,
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April 3, 1942
9:15 a.m.

INFLATION

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Heas

Mr. Galbraith

Mr. Jones
Mr. Hansen

Mr. Gilbert

Mr. Colm

Mr. Leland
Mr. Paul
Már. Smith

Mrs. Klotz
Mr. Currie

Mr. Sullivan'

Mr. White-

H.M.JR: Do you want to start the meeting off,

Harold, and give us a little bit the benefit of where

we are as of this morning?

MR. SMITH: Well, I don't think, ar. Secretary,
that there is very much that this group here, sophisticated as it is, doesn't know about this problem.
H.M.JR: What is the word?
MR. SMITH: Sophisticated.

H.M.JR: I thought you said sadistic. (Laughter)
MR. SMITH: I think what we ought to discuss is

the - primarily the tax aspect of the subject and

about that I know very little, but there is an awful
lot of talent in this room that has been studying
the problem. I think that is the subject that we ought

to discuss primarily. You got the general memorandum
didn't you, yesterday?

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H.M.JR: Yes, I got it here. And then I had
quite a long talk with the President yesterday
morning and then he discussed it some yesterday at
Cabinet. We are up against a sort of a deadline
because he asked me twice, first in the morning and
then again in the afternoon, to let him have my

opinion by tonight. Well, whatever I give will be
kind of rough. Whatever I send him I will send you.
But then also in the morning he said two weeks and
then in Cabinet he said three weeks. But he still
insisted on something tonight. I would be very glad

to talk a little bit, if you want to listen.
MR. SMITH: Fine.

H.M.JR: Because we have been thinking about this

thing now for quite a long time. As you know - I don't

know how many various agencies cooperated with us in

working out first what they called the gap and then in

the second place, where we could go to raise the money.
Now, we have some figures showing that if the amount

of money that we have to raise for fiscal '43 is thirtynine billion dollars, which I think is the figure that
we are working on, isn't it? How we are going to get it.
I would like to have- - Bell, would it be you or Haas?
MR. BELL: Haas, I think.
H.M.JR: Show you those figures. Now, the way
the President put the problem yesterday at Cabinet was

this, that he figured that the cost of living was going

up about one and a half percent a month. He was afraid

it might go to three and if he could hold it down to a

half a percent a month he would be very happy. The
sources from which we raise this money greatly depend
upon what is done on rationing. What we would like to
show you from our standpoint is, if nothing happened,
where we would get the money. I mean, if the thing

wasn't changed at all. And then if they put in rationing, as I am told they are thinking of doing in OPA,
getting it second hand, I don t know if that is right,

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and then a third column, the changes that would come

about if we tried out something which for a better
name I call the Harry White Plan of Rationing. The

point is, depending upon how much rationing is done,

a great deal depends upon how much money the people

will have to spend and how much we will get from
savings. If we have complete rationing the peoplé
will have that much more money and make our job in the

Treasury that much easier. What I was thinking of
doing, frankly, was to say - giving the President a
table like this which shows that we are going to get
something like twenty-seven billion dollars from taxes.
Well now, the President might say, well, I don't think

that is enough. Well, all right, where would you like
to get it? We are going to get so much from savings,

so much from insurance companies, and so much from the

banks;and within that schedule, in that framework,
depending upon again what kind of rationing you put
in, we could approach the financing problem and also

the taxation problem. We also feel here that a great

deal more steam should be put behind the Social Security

plan. So just to sort of break the ice and get these
fellows talking, suppose Haas shows them that thing.

How would that be?

MR. SMITH: Fine.

MR. HAAS: I don't have an enlarged one, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: So they can get their razors out and go
after you.
MR. HAAS: I don't mind the cutting on these because

a lot of it is by ear anyway.

MR. SMITH: Safety razors are being rationed so-H.M.JR: The old fashioned ones aren't.
MR. HAAS: Most of the people here are familiar
with the basic figures in any case. What we have made

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up here is a table which in the upper part shows
the savings and accumulations based on existing

patterns and pressures, in other words, under existing conditions, and the total amount of these savings
is estimated at twenty-six billion and a half, and
that is derived from the gap analysis,

the people room
in the
whichwith.
most
of
are familiar
I am talking
from table two now. We made that figure. That is the

figure we had before.

MR. GILBERT: The figure we agreed on.

MR. HAAS: We are in the process of revising it
now but that is the purpose of this discussion.
MR. GILBERT: What level of income payments this

year is there?

MR. HAAS: "ell, it is based upon that level of a

hundred and fifteen.

MR. GILBERT: I was asking for what level of individual
incomes is assumed for this year is there.

MR. HAAS: Well, it is based upon that level of a

hundred and fifteen.

MR. GILBERT: I was asking for what level of individual incomes is assumed for this year, is this savings
figure a part?

MR. HAAS: It is that one you looked at sometime ago,
a hundred and fifteen. We have taken this twenty-six
which is savings of all types, personal and business,
and taken the top - the personal saving we have estimated

at fifteen, five and then we tried to distribute that
over the different types of securities. We have allocated
seven billion dollars of the fifteen and a half to Sav-

ings Bonds, series E,F and G, and we have listed here,
Mr. Secretary, two proposed securities, so-called tap

securities and in the short one, a billion and one tenth
of personal savings would go into that. It wouldn't go

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into it directly, it would go into it by reduction

of - for example, like consumer credit, C.I.T., would
buy a security. In other words, personal savings

would be paid back to this company and that company

would buy this particular type of security. It runs
along over to insurance companies and there would be

one point nine we have estimated of marketable securities
sold to insurance companies because of the fact the
people's savings went into that much in insurance
companies, so much to the banks, etc. We are getting
down to - we only account for twenty-six. The rest

of it either has to come out of idle balances or out
of - be sold directly to the banks and out of idle
balances we estimated it would be thirteen point three
distributed over these various securities. That makes

up the total figure of thirty-nine point eight.

And on the marketable securities, we would have to

sell to the banks seventeen billion dollars, but eight
of the seventeen billion dollars would be non-inflationary.
In other words, there would either be savings going into
savings accounts in banks or there would be payments
of mortgages to banks or reduction of consumer credit

and so on, so that about eight point eight of the seventeen billion dollar securities sold to the banks would

be inflationary and the point is that if - this is under
existing situations. If there is a change made with regard to over-all price fixing and rationing, rationing

of different types, it would change the figure of twentysix, so the amount - conceivably so that the amount sold

to the banks may be negligible. It would all go up in

the upper part of the table and we would have to make a
whole new distribution and that is what we are working on.
We are working on that today so we will have, as the Secretary
pointed out three times, one based upon what the situation
would be under existing conditions, what it would be
under one type of rationing and what it would be under the
assumption of a second type of rationing.
H.M.JR: Do you want to ask any questions, gentlemen?

MR. HAAS: This table, I might point out, is obviously
very inflationary, this sort of thing, because you have

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got seventeen billion dollars that you are increasing
banking deposits - I mean eight billion dollars.
MR. BELL: And you have thirteen billion that is
inflationary.
MR. HAAS: That is right, including the idle balances.
MR. BELL: Which means if it is allowed to stand I

take it there will be more than thirteen billion.

MR. HAAS: That is right. In other words, it will

generate a situation much worse than the one that is
pictured here.

MR. GILBERT: I think there is general agreement,

Mr. Secretary, of all the people who are working on this

problem that there certainly is no less than ten billions
of inflationary gap and that it might easily rise to twice
that figure. I don't know now any group in town that has
been working on this problem that comes out to a figure
under ten billions.
MR. PAUL: It seems to me that the point of the
discussion here should be not whether there is a gap,
we are all agreed on that, but what you do about it,

and there is some disagreement about the means on that

end. I think a good deal of this disagreement is minor.

H.M.JR: Well, I would like to ask - let's see,

who is - you (Gilbert) are representing Mr. Henderson?
MR. GILBERT: Yes.

H.M.JR: How far and how soon are you people pre-

pared to go in rationing and along what lines?
MR. GALBRAITH: Well, we haven't considered what

you term "The Harry White Plan" in terms of any actual
time schedule. In fact, I think perhaps there is some
difference of opinion between ourselves and Harry as to

-7the practicability of implementing general or overall rationing. Now, as far as individual commodity
rationing is concerned, it has been a long slow process
getting the machinery in shape for even that. For
any commodity like sugar of universal consumption, you
have to have machinery which in effect reaches every

individual in the country. Once we are over the hurdle
on that, as we will be the beginning of next month, we
will be in a position to add further commodities to
that rationing set-up and add them rather promptly.
We will have basic registration and the basic stamp
machinery, and certificate machinery, so that for
such further scarce consumers goods as - well, canned

goods as a whole, for example. for fats and oils, or
even clothing the next steps will be - I hate to say

relatively easy, but they will be much less difficult
than the original step of setting up the nationwide

machinery, getting the nationwide registration and getting
the initial registration book in the hands of every
individual.

I might say in that connection that we are only

contemplating working on the important consumer's goods.
On a commodity by commodity rationing basis there a lot

of consumer's goods which if they are short in supply

will simply have to run out. There will be no alternative for that. My own feeling, there is some difference of opinion about this, but my own feeling is that
it is improbable if we can within a year or eighteen
months ration more than at the very outside a dozen
groups of related items of universal consumption.
Now, that is not a very - it is a somewhat misleading
way of putting it because I would refer to men's

clothing as a unit there. We are working out against
the time when we will need, and it may not be far
distant, a point system for rationing clothing, but

it is. a highly complex machinery, very complex, and we

have found already that it is necessary to go rather
slowly just for the reason that you can only develop
your administrative machinery and get it to digest
anything as complex as this at a gradual rate.

You have to use a majority of lay personnel, unskilled people whose ability to read regulations

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-8rules and regulations, is limited. I think it is

clear that general rationing would, of course, be
something very different from that sort of procedure.
Since we are not contemplating that at the present time,
I would say this picture perhaps has a dozen important

groups of consumer commodities being rationed within
the next
eighteen months. That is the way the thing
would
project.

H.M.JR: Well, I would like to tell you how I
feel because I am in complete disagreement with you.

After all, there are ten or fifteen billion dollars

which we are talking about. Let's take the top figure,
fifteen billion dollars which is looking for something
to do. It is either going to be used for spending or
it is going to be hoarded or it is going to be saved.
Now, just because - I am going to talk in the room here

maybe a little rough, but just because Henderson's
organization hasn't got a way of going out and ration-

ing this thing, the alternative, as I get it, right

or wrong, is that we should go ahead and clamp down
on the people with the very lowest incomes, because

that is the place where they are going to spend. Now,

before I will agree to such a thing I am going to fight
to the last ditch because before I tackle or be a part
of tackling - after all, the President can make his own
decision and once he has made it that settles it as
far as I am concerned. But going after the person of
fifteen dollars a week on the highly theoretical figure

based on 1936 statistics of where the mass purchasing
power is, just because Henderson's organization can't

get busy and ration and also go after a sales tax which

also hits the very poorest people, I think it is just -

we are just throwing the thing on the group that Mr.
Roosevelt has always stood to defend ever since he
has been elected and as far as I am concerned I am

not going to be a party to it.
I think that we can have rationing. I think that
it can be done. I think it can be done quickly. I think
this idea of announcing two months in advance that you

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are going to ration sugar and then have everybody
run around and buy sugar, or announce that youare

going to have Gillette blades or suits, and then tip

people off two months in advance that they should get
something, and then they all go out and stock up on it,

but to me I just think it is terrible. I am saying

this in the room here among people all working for

Mr. Roosevelt. I am not talking to the press or
anybody else, but I am talking to people in the
employ of Mr. Roosevelt. Because you people can't
tackle that problem, the alternative is that we should
go after this low income group.

Now, I just think it is not facing the problem

in a realistic manner. Now, we have been unable,
trying desperately to get the buying and saving
habits of the low income group, to get anything promised to us before May 1. By May first we have been
promised that we will have something as of 1942 and

as I understand it everything else dates '36. There

is nobody can tell me what the actual buying habits
of the low income groups are as of today and what their
savings are. Everybody has got to guess. We are

guessing. I don't know, but certainly if we had complete rationing and then we had - so that we take all
of these various factories which are manufacturing
consumer goods and say so much goes to the Army and

Navy and the rest is for civilians and they are divided
up by families throughout the United States, and each
family is allotted so much and then you take care of
this hoarding and you take care of how the people
spend their money and then the money that is left

over, if it is fifteen billion or it is twenty billion

dollars. Then it is a question how do we get that and
mop that money up. We here think we can still get it
on the voluntary basis. I have told both the House
and the Senate that I would like to have until the
first of July to prove that we are right or wrong and
they have agreed that they will give us until the
first of July. We think if we had some kind - even
if we don't have any rationing that we can hit a
billion dollars by July, a month. That is what they
think. If we have rationing we can do it easier and

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we can go way above that. I mean, we might be able

to get fifteen or twenty billion dollars if we have
rationing. Now, on the tax thing, I don't know whether
this is - I don t know how many tax bills I have gone
through but at least we are in another one. We are
having the greatest difficulty getting the nine billion
dollars that Mr. Roosevelt wants. To say that we will
lower the exemptions to stave off the sales tax, I
don't think it will work. I mean, we have pointed
out again and again to the Congress that the people
of the United States have a billion dollars worth of
loop-holes and until we get those billion dollars worth

of loop-holes cleaned up, loop-holes which affect
the highest group in the income class, to talk about lowering the seven hundred fifty dollars while the people
have very large incomes can escape to the tune of a

billion dollars I think is undemocratic. Furthermore,
to go up at this last - last fall, everybody got much
excited about inflation, myself included, and I rushed up
on the Hill and asked to have a fifteen percent withholding tax. They wouldn't even give me a hearing. Now,
I want to do, and everybody in the Treasury wants to do,
everything that we can to try to stop this rise of inflation. We here, maybe because it is somebody else's
department and not ours, think that we should start with
rationing. Now, one other thing that I - we have a
difference on is this. I happen to believe that labor

as a whole, the rank and file, have done more toward the
war effort than any other group in the United States.
I also, just the way I am asking to have a chance to
go through the voluntary plan - the reason I am so

strongly for the voluntary plan, I want the man or

woman to sit at home and make up their own mind that
they want to set aside so much money a week and when

they do that and cross that bridge voluntarily, it is a

great accomplishment toward the morale of this country.

I also believe that if we could control prices
within reason that the pressure from labor for higher

wages would cease, and therefore, - you didn't come over
here to try out my chair, you wanted to know where I

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stand, Harold, and I am trying to tell you just as
frankly and honestly as I can and then each fellow
can shoot at me - that given a fairly close control
over prices, I have sufficient confidence in labor
that also leaving labor alone without freezing it, that
their demands for increased wages will cease.

Now, on the other hand if the prices continue to
rise I think there should be some sliding scale in
relation between cost of living and wages, but to
freeze wages at this time after what labor has done

so far, I just don't think it is fair. Now that,

gentlemen, is, without getting into the highly intricate
part of the tax bill, whether we should have this much
excess or that much or all those many details - I just
want to let you know where I stand. I am very glad to
have anybody come back at me and hit me just as hard
as I have hit them. We will start right in with OPA.
You can hit just as hard as you feel like. Don't
hesitate.

MR. GALBRAITH: Well, on general rationing, Mr.

Secretary, I would just like to say one thing. I

think we have been over the experiences of other countries
that have done a good deal more rationing than ourselves.

Their problem in doing so is a good deal less difficult
than that of ours. it is my own considered judgment that
the frame-work in which you put it and dividing up those
consumers goods on a basis as between all consumers,

that there just isn't any way of doing it. Now, I can
go on and elaborate that. I would rather have Gilbert
do it.

H.M.JR: Do you mind if I interrupt you? The reason
I disagree with you on that is this. When I came into

this office I came in after - I don't know what it was,
eight or ten years of bootlegging, you see, and Herbert

Hoover and his people had been unable to lick bootlegging,

and the thing was rampant all over the country. The
same goes for narcotics. I was so foolish as to say
when I came in that I would either lick bootlegging or
quit. Nobody had been able to do it, but we did lick

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bootlegging. We did stop the peddling of narcotics,
and certainly the question of selling illegal liquor,
nothing could be more difficult to police and con-

trol than any problem that you might have. Now
Mr. Hoover and his people were unable to do it for
ten years because they were not willing to go after

the big racketeers. They went after the hillbillies
instead of sitting back and saying, "It can't be done."

I don't care what we do here, I don't care how severe
you make the taxes, I don't care whether you take a
hundred percent of a man's profit, I don't care whether
we go in and take part of his capital away, I d on't
care what you do, what method the Treasury does on the

President's insistence and the consent of the Congress,

until you ration the goods you can't do this thing.

Just as long as the goods are on the shelves the
people are going to find a way to buy them. Just as

long as there were the stills to manufacture illegal
liquor, and just as long as there were places that
could take opium and fix it up and peddle it, the

people would buy it.

MR. LELAND: That is a perfect case against ration-

ing. It simply means you can't effectively ration in
spite of administrative difficulties until you close

every single outlet on which money can be spent. It
doesn't make any difference what it is, you will have to
close them all.
H.M.JR: Why.

MR. LELAND: Otherwise funds will go there.

MR. WHITE: About rationing, hasn't it been the
experience of every country that faced with the enormous
administrative problem of rationing they have always
put it off and put it off and taken one commodity at a
time until you find commodities added and added until

they are faced with the difficulties of administration,

which they were faced with to begin with, but attempted

to avoid and they only undertook it after a good deal of

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ground was lost. But what the Secretary has referrence
to is not another scheme of rationing than what you are

talking about. I me an, that isn't only what he has
reference to. He is merely pointing to the fact that
it seems perfectly inexcusable and it certainly does
to me, to talk about achieving rationing in eighteen
months. Eighteen months is forever, it is never.

There is nothing you couldn't do in eighteen months.
It may take three or four months to get your administration

going but then the point is, aren't you fellows ready to
move forward as rapidly as you can? Of course it is

difficult, the war is difficult. The alternatives

are worse. And when you talk about eighteen months
it seems prepostrous.
MR. GALBRAITH: Let me restate my position on that,

Harry. There are, as I understand it - we are discussing
two things at one and the same time here.

MR. WHITE: Yes. Just let's confine ourselves

to the type of rationing you are talking about. We will
talk about the other type later.
MR. GALBRAITH: What I say about rationing commodity
by commodity, eighteen months is my own guess. 1 do

say, however, that there are limits if you are going

to tailor the rationing to the use of the individual

commodity which, in my judgment has to be done. You
have some things of universal consumption like sugar

where you can give an allocate portion to everybody

in the country and that type of rationing will not
apply to automobile tires and will not apply to auto-

mobiles where you would in effect give somebody a

proportion which he doesn't want at all. Then you

are opened up to a black mark and you have no ration-

ing. Now, if you were going to do it for each individual

commodity, then it seems to me that you do have to

face up squarely to the ability of the people, people
that you are using for your administration, and you

need not thousands, but hundreds of thousands of them,

and the ability of the people of the country to digest

their responsibilities. It is not a question of the

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speed with which WPB and OPA - and I remind you this

is a shared responsibility at the moment - it is not

a question of the speed with which those agencies
move. God knows we have not been as fast as we should

have been. It is a question of the speed with which the
people will move. Now, I think we should definitely
start with the important consumer's goods, razor blades,

a hundred things like that. After all, everybody in this
room would look better with a beard. (Laughter)

H.M.JR: Incidentally, I started using my blade for
the second time this morning. That is why I was a little
later.
MR. WHITE: That is why he said you look better with

a beard.

MR. GALBRAITH: But even to cover the main items

of consumer expenditure which I likened to the short
supply relative to what we know about the gap, it is
going to take time, Harry. Probably eighteen months
is too long, maybe a year. By important commodities
I have reference to such things as canned foods, canned
fruits and vegetables which cut a big block out of

your food items, fats and oils, which cut out another
block, and clothing. Maybe we can be over those the people can be over those that year, but I don't

think we can be Pollyanna-ish about it. It does take

time.

MR. PAUL: Suppose we assume that it takes a
year. Then what are the alternatives? What does OPA

think we ought to do in the meantime? I would like

to get that clear.

MR. WHITE: Yes, remember we are just speaking

of specific rationing. Let's not confuse that with
the other type because general rationing may be not
better than one single type or the other. Let's
remember we are talking about the type of rationing
that you are doing.

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track here. We have been over this thing pretty carefully
with your group, Harry, and I do not think that there is
any serious disagreement between us. I think both groups

are agreed that individual rationing presents real tech-

nical difficulties. We would like to draw, and I think
we have drawn, a distinction of this sort. Wherever, by
reason of the war effort, the actual supply of goods
available for civilian use is sharply curtailed and
people have got, in fact, to consume less than they have
been accustomed to consuming, then we feel that specific

rationing is called for to distribute those scarce sup-

plies. On the other hand, where the supply has not been
reduced, may even be increasing, and where the pressure

upon this supply streams from a sharp growth - a great
growth in consumers purchasing power, which is always

accompanied by great shifts in the distribution of that

purchasing power amongst the various groups, the way to
handle that sort of problem is through the demand side by
taxes or saving or some other side device to cut down the
amount of purchasing power to the supply of goods that

is available. That is the important distinction upon

which I think there is general agreement between us.
Now, the two proposals that are before us--

H.M.JR: Will you excuse me? That is where I am
not in agreement. I didn't gather that my people were
in agreement with you.

MR. GILBERT: Let me just develop that.

H.M.JR: It is a question of which comes first,
the chicken or the egg. I am taking the position that
if the goods aren't available for the people to buy
they won't spend the money. I understand you to say,
"Don't let them have the money and then they won't buy

the goods."

MR. GILBERT: Mr. Secretary, your group has come

to the conclusion that the administration of individual

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rationing, if you are to do that way, is far more
difficult and far less effective than a general

rationing scheme by which you would ration - hold
down the amount of spending that any family could

do. That is the nature of this plan that Mr. White

and his group have worked out. Now, their attack
is to limit the amount of spending that any group
could do, in which case the savings would be a byproduct and if families can't spend as much, and have
larger incomes, therefore, they have a larger amount
of savings. The proposal which we are suggesting is
just really the same thing turned over. We would
say, "Force them to save. Get a compulsory system of

saving. If they have got to save more then they can't

spend as much. I will say this right now. I think
I can say it with the assurance that our office would go
along. If the Treasury would prefer this general method
of restricting expenditures rather than compulsory savings, we would have no serious objection. I think the
two plans are so alike that there is no substantial
difference between them. I do not believe that there
is any serious difference between the Treasury and
the OPA on that point.

MR. WHITE: The only difference is that you have
yet to be convinced as we are not wholly convinced that
the proposal of general rationing as against forced

saving is administratively feasible within the time
which it is necessary to put into operation and that
requires a little more discussion to see where we differ
if we do.

MR. GILBERT: That is right, but I do think I am
right in saying, Harry, that we are agreed that in

view of the large excess of purchasing power some

general device to cut down spending is called for.
MR. WHITE: That is quite true.
MR. PAUL: And are we not also agreed that we should
not adopt a sales tax as one of those devices?

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MR. GILBERT: That is right. I was just going
to go on to that. it seems to me, Mr. Secretary,
in your early remarks about adding to the little

income groups, there has been a serious misunderstanding because we share your sentiments completely. We

agree entirely with the position taken by the Treasury.

a sales tax or of

until
the
We exemptions do not believe isand
called
that
for,program,
a reduction as
you presented it to the Ways and Means Committee, is

put through we think it would be-H.M.JR: That is news to me.

MR. GILBERT: We think it would be extremely
undemocratic and unfair and we think it would be

political suicide. We do not think it is necessary
to meet the inflationary problem. As far as I know,

there is no difference between the OPA and the Treasury

on that.

H.M.JR: Well, you had better look at page three,

item A, on Mr. Smith's program. I mean, when you say
"we," maybe you are talking for the OPA.

MR. PAUL: That is right.
MR. GILBERT: I am referring to OPA.

H.M.JR: Well, that is not in Mr. Smith's memorandum.
MR. WHITE: Are you speaking for yourself, Dick?
MR. GALBRAITH: I am speaking for the OPA,

MR. GILBERT: I am speaking for the OPA.

H.M.JR: Then evidentally the OPA and the Treasury

on this seem to be very close, but it is different in

Mr. Smith's memorandum, because he talks about reduction

of married people from a thousand to five hundred - reduction of a thousand and five hundred for single people.

MR. HANSEN : I thought, Dick, yesterday you favored

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reduction of exemptions. I so understood you.
MR. GILBERT: The point I tried to make yesterday
to cut the consumption of families with incomes of two
thousand and three thousand and four thousand, that below that, families with incomes of fifteen hundred have
got to be cut. This was a personal opinion I expressed

was something of this sort. I think it is essential

yesterday. It is my feeling that any system of limited
expenditures or any system of forced savings, to which
I lean personally-MR. HANSEN: Well, weren't you advocating both

yesterday?

MR. GILBERT: will be far, far more popular. Will
be extremely popular with the groups effected. It is my
feeling that there isn't a family in the country, irrespective of its income, which if forced to save would not,
in the course of a month or two look upon that as a bless-

ing.

MR. HANSEN: I agree.

MR. GILBERT: That therefore it would not interfere,
it would not undermine morale, it would not interfere
with the war effort if a forced saving scheme were put
through.

H.M.JR: You have seen the figures out of your

own shop that the people run a deficit until they reach
fifteen hundred, that level, so when you talk about savings
for people of fifteen hundred or under, you are just putting

them that much more under water than they are now.

MR. GILBERT: Well, the proposal we talked about--

H.M.JH: I am referring to Hildegarde Kneeland's

figures. It was fifteen hundred, wasn't it?
MR. GILBERT: "o, it is under that.
MR. PAUL: It is five hundred.

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H.M.JR: Well, George can get it, the figures I used

in my testimony.

MR. GILBERT: I believe it is seven hundred fifty.

H.M.JR: Well, they are terribly important. I have
just had them. I don't think they begin to save until

they have passed fifteen hundred.

MR. GILBERT: The point I should make in that con-

nection is that a lot of things that these people ordinarily
buy are not going to be available for their purchase within
another three or four months. These families do buy toasters
and they do buy a lot of other gadgets. These things areof
not going to be available. So far as their consumption
food and of clothing is concerned, we are entirely in
agreement, I think, with the Treasury that it would be
folly to cut their consumption of these things. There is
barely enough to keep body and soul together at present.
We are in entire agreement on it. And any system of forced
saving would have to have an exemption, we believe, of
about five hundred dollars, and it would apply only to the
income above that group.

H.M.JR: Well, I think there must be disagreement
between you, then, and Mr. Smith's people. I wonder if

they couldn't get that straightened out.
MR. SMITH: Yes.
there.

H.M.JR: There evidently seems to be disagreement

MR. SMITH: I haven't been in on the discussion on
the technical level, and I don't know what the disagreements are. I assume that we had agreed that there was a
problem here that needed to be faced. I assumed that at

the outset. I am not sure from the discussion that there
is even agreement on the nature of the problem that has

to be faced. I hope we don't proceed, as I think we have
to some extent at least, on a kind of business-as-usual

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attitude in this field. It seems to me that with the

proposed expenditure of approximately sixty billion
dollars, with March expenditure for national defense up to

two billion seven hundred fifty million, with the increase
at quite an accelerated rate, we are going to bring about
terrific distortions in the economy the like of which

probably none of us can altogether foresee with accuracy.
At least it seems to me we are dealing with a dangerous
situation. Maybe it can be overemphasized, but at least
it also seems to me that we have got an opportunity now

to do a little fire prevention rather than waiting and
having to put out fires. We have got, it seems to me,
developing dynamics in this situation that bring about
considerable distortions. At the present time we have
got something of a level keel and if you can put in overall price control and do these other things that are necessary to implement that program, we certainly will avoid
a situation which developed in the last war in an eight
months' period between fifteen and sixteen when you got

something like a fifty-five point rise in that particular

index. I think we have to be courageous, and I don't
think we get very far by saying, "Well, we think this
ought to be done first and this ought to be done second,

and so on. I think there has to be a frontal attack on
this problem, and I think that is exactly what the President expects of us, is a plan for a frontal attack.
I

had assumed that we were starting off on that kind of an

assumption. I fear that if we say that we do this by
rationing or we ought to do that first and we ought to
neglect taxation, at least further taxation, and that the
price control people are left to do - attempt an over-all
price control without drawing out purchasing power further,
we may find ourselves in a very difficult position, Mr.
Secretary, and I for one don't feel very happy about that
sort of an approach. Now, I don't know - I have not - so
far as I am concerned, I have not tried to inject my ideas
into this or - one way or another. I have hoped that the
technicians would get together and give us some sort of a

plan, and I think it is necessary, from the evidence that
I see, to do something with the lower income groups, either
with saving or taxation or both, in order to insure that
the price control people have a chance to handle their

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over-all price control, and I had hoped that there might
be
discussion
of various
ingsome
with this
lower income
level.alternate plans for dealMR. PAUL: We have discussed that, Harold. Do you

think
addition that that must be done before - as part
of
thisinbill?
H.M.JR: Gilbert, what are those figures?
MR. SMITH: I think the program ought to be worked

together.

MR. GILBERT: This table which was based on income

payments of a hundred and three billion, which is approximately the rate of January, shows families from under five
hundred dis-saving or getting charitable support to the
extent of three point five percent; five to seven hundred
fifty, two percent; seven hundred fifty to a thousand, one

point four percent; a thousand to twelve fifty, less than
one percent. Twelve hundred and fifty would be the last.

H.M.JR: I said fifteen hundred, but at twelve fifty

they are self-supporting?

MR. GILBERT: That is right.
H.M.JR: And then how much do they save from twelve

fifty to fifteen hundred?

MR. GILBERT: Point four percent. Four tenths of one

percent.

H.M.JR: Then they save practically nothing until

they reach fifteen hundred?

MR. GILBERT: Actually it gets to five percent at

two thousand dollars.

H.M.JR: Well, I wasn't far off. They only begin to
save something when they pass fifteen. Is that right?

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MR. GILBERT: The income is higher at present and

will not fall short of a hundred and ten billions this
year and the goods that they can buy will be less.

H.M., JR: Well, it was based on those figures
which we checked and went into very carefully that I

took the position that I did before Congress that I
didn't see how you could tax - as I remember it the I get rusty George. What was it? That was one set of
figures and then didn't we show that a man earning seven
hundred
fifty of
dollars
paid a hundred and thirty-nine
dollars worth
taxes?
MR. HAAS: Yes, we had those figures, too.

H.M.JR: So it was on the basis of those two sets
of figures that we felt that we should go after the
groups above those and this wasn't very much money to get
in those so-called lower income groups.
MR. GILBERT: May I--

MR. WHITE: Harold, it seems to me we are in general

agreement on the proposition you have stated. I think
that the - we are getting into a period which-MR. SMITH: I would like to be confirmed in that,

Harry, because--

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MR. WHITE: Let's see if that isn't true. We
all agree that we are getting into a period in which
danger exists, and it is necessary to tighten up all
along the line, and I think there is general agreement
that the more comprehensive in scope is the approach,
the more chances of success it has. I think there is
also agreement that we have to be courageous. I think

there is also a plan. The plan consists of the present
tax plan, getting behind the Social Security, price
freezing, going ahead with rationing, specific rationing
just as rapidly as we can, and if we can needle them into
going ahead more rapidly, we will all try to do so,
and then we are left with an area in which there are
some funds still to be mopped up, particularly in the
second half of this year. The question is, shall they
be mopped up by savings, either forced savings or voluntary savings, or shall they be mopped up in some way
in - by general rationing which will make those voluntary
savings equal to the amount that you are interested in.

Now, it is our feeling that there isn't the urgency to
decide that question as to whether forced saving or

general rationing will bring about the results within
the next week or two.

There definitely is urgency within the near future
and by the near future, I am speaking not in terms of

many months, but possibly in terms of weeks, so that the

only difference of opinion which exists, it appears to
me, lies in the added suggestion of your group that the

situation is so urgent that in addition to freezing
prices, in addition to going ahead on specific rationing,

in addition to pushing a plan of voluntary saving as much
as possible, you want a proposal of forced saving to be
initiated at once and increased taxes now before the
present tax bill is passed, and increased taxes of a

character that I think you will agree very little would
be said for if it weren't for the urgency of inflation

which appears to be in your mind in the next few weeks.

Isn't that the sole difference of opinion? Aren't we

all agreed on the general program?

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if I may. I think there is an area of agreement, I

should say on about eighty-five percent of the total
problem. The disagreements are limited to that fifteen
percent. In our discussions I don't think there has

been any question but that there was a problem of absorb-

ing about ten billions of purchasing power, more or less.

There was no substantial disagreement on that figure.

The questions were how to get at it. Now, these are the

possibilities. One, there is about nine billion of outstanding consumer credit at present in spite of the
reduction of installment credit that has already taken
place under regulations "W". Here is an area in which

you could get three or four billions of reduction at

once without Congressional action, and here is an area

in which reductions will be far more palatable than any
other device that anybody can conceive. It is also an
area in which the expenditures are so distributed that you
would get substantial justice through a sharp curtailment.
It would seem to me that here, therefore, is an area in
which we ought to get a drastic cut in purchasing power
at once. Secondly, I think we are all agreed that some
form of forced saving or rationing of expenditures is
called for. Mr. Henderson has suggested a forced saving program to yield about five to six billion. However

that is done, I don't think there is any substantial
disagreement on that point. Harry suggests that we hold
that off for a while. I tend to share the view of the

Budget that the program ought to be announced and suggested

and pushed at once. It will take some time before it
can be put into effect in any event. The third question

is, whether you will need to supplement these by additional taxes or whether you should use additional taxes as

a substitute in terms of quantity for one or the other
of these procedures. Now, the point I was trying to

make before, was that you can get through the first two
a mopping up of purchasing power which will be sufficient

to hold the line through this year.
H.M.JR: Which two?

MR. GILBERT: Reduction of consumer's credit and

the forced saving in some form. Now, I say since you

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can get it and hold the line and meet the inflationary

problem in this way, since you have not yet put through
the present tax program which I think we are all agreed
in terms of equity ought to be put through before you
reduce exemptions, then I want to raise the question
as to why this particular combination of methods,

which is adequate and would be more palatable and more

just, isn't the combination that we ought to present.

MR. SMITH: I think I ought to needle, Mr. Secretary,

these technical fellows a little bit with a little

history that there has been a good deal of flopping
around. I wish I could feel that there was the agreement
that Gilbert's statement seems to indicate or that there
has been consistently. I think there is agreement on
most of the points. But I think the area of disagreement
ought to be rather clearly defined, and I assumed that
it had been, to at least some extent, and we ought to
talk about those disagreements.

H.M.JR: Go ahead and needle them, will you please?
MR. HANSEN: Mr. Secretary, might I make a statement?
H.M.JR: Please.

MR. HANSEN: I am perhaps a little bit on the outside, and I must say that I haven't any adamant views

at all that aren't subject to change. I think it is

perfectly clear that if you could assume a hundred
percent efficiency and assume that your machinery could

very quickly be put in motion, it is perfectly possible
to do this whole job purely from rationing. You can also
argue that if you go after it in a tough enough way you
can solve the whole problem from compulsory saving and
taxes and tackle it entirely on that score. But, when
you look at it from the standpoint of plain common sense
as well as from the standpoint of experience of other
countries, then I think we have to come to the conclusion that the job is a tough one, and you don't stand
much chance of success unless you do all you can on

all fronts. I remember I made that statement last summer

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I made it to Keynes. He repeated that, and thought
that was absolutely essential. We do have to tackle

it, it seems to me, on all fronts. That is what other
countries, in fact, have done. In England you have

rationing, both the specific rationing as well as the
point system rationing in rather large areas, which is

more generalized rationing. At the same time you have
exemptions on the income tax way down, and you have a

sales tax. You have got all of these things. The

same is true in Canada, and the same is true in Germany,

and in every country. Then the success is not perfect.
So that plain common sense, I think, and the experience
of other countries, indicates the necessity of moving
on all fronts in order to tackle this tremendous program.
Now, I had hoped that we - and I make this suggestion

purely on my own responsibility. I hoped that out of

our discussion we had begun to come to something like
a program that we could all more or less agree on, but

didn't, as is always the case, satisfy everyone.

I personally am very strong for compulsory saving.

I agree with Gilbert a hundred percent on that. I
think it would be extremely popular. I think a better
term is universal saving. Terms, after all, do mean
something. In addition to that, as I understood Gilbert
in our disucssion yesterday, he would be willing and
favor personally, and it may be true of his organization,
lowering of the exemptions on the income tax so that you
would go at it on both fronts, compulsory saving and

lowering of the income tax. If we are really going to

move on to a - what is regarded by almost everyone as a

thoroughly sound fiscal program in view of the fiscal
situation which the Government faces, not only now, but
will face after the war, we must build basi cally upon
strongly progressive individual income tax case the
core and center of our tax structure, and that can not
do the job without dipping down low into a broad tax
base. If that is not done, then more unsatisfactory,
more inequitable kinds of taxes are of necessity going
a

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About that, think there is - I might say it seems to

me there is universal agreement by students of the tax

system. I don't know of any exception to that. Now,
in addition to that, a consumption tax stands on an

utterly different plane in a war emergency from what it
stands on in other times. We are coming to a time when
everyone in the community, not only must but will want

to make a contribution to the war effort. I must say

that I was absolutely astounded this winter when my
daughter went around and canvassed a certain area for

the community fund. In the poor area the report she

came back with was that the people who had very low
income, uncertain income, wanted to make a contribution.
They wanted to make a contribution. She was astounded

at the size of these contributions that they made. Now,
I think that everyone will want to make a contribution,
and a tax paid separate from the retail price is one
that reaches everyone, farmers also. You don't reach
them through the income tax. I think a war consumption
tax is not only legitimate, but stands on good economic

grounds in a time like we are in now, limiting it definitely to the war period. Now, I think we might very well
if we started off with universal saving and lowering the

exemptions and the rest of the Treasury tax program, we
might very well now begin to implement the machinery for
the collection of a war consumption tax beginning in

January, 1943, but not introducing it now. I suggest
that purely on my own responsibility.

I think we might - it seems to me, we might get
together on a program of this sort which recognizes the

seriousness of the problem and does all things, advances

on all fronts at once. I am very much impressed with
the fact that in the World War we got our inflation in
eight months, and we got it just at the point when we

had fully reached our full possibility of expansion of
production, a little beyond the middle of 1916, a point
which we are just now reaching in this situation. The
price movement so far, I think, has - is reasonably
satisfactory. We have a better balance in our price

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system now than we have had for ten years, and just

now is a very important point - it is the point at
which to tackle this problem on all fronts, and it
would be a masterly stroke if by tackling on all fronts
now and freezing prices and freezing wages and doing
all these other things in order to make that effective

-

because otherwise you can't make it effective. We could
come through this war with no more advance in prices

than we have now, and it would be a tremendous achievement which would go down in history, and which, moreover,

would go very far toward insuring a degree of success in
managing our economy after the war is over, which is a
headache that we have confronting us.

No party can stand any such deflation as we had

from twenty-nine to thirty-three, and, on the other hand,
no party can stand any such inflation as we are likely
to have with a war expenditure of sixty billion a year.
It just isn't in the picture, and it needs to be tackled
vigorously on all fronts. I think common sense tells us
that, and the experience of other countries tells us we

have got to tackle it vigorously on all fronts, and there
is the gravest danger with the labor situation what it is,
and with this prodigious rise in war expenditures that
some months hence may already be too late. Now the price

distortions are not bad at all. In fact, I think we have

got a better balance than we have had for ten years.
Four months hence we may have very serious price distortion
which in itself makes the price freezing bad, and more
or less unworkable.

MR. PAUL: Therefore, you think we ought to move or did I understand you to say we should not move in
connection with this pending revenue bill?
MR. HANSEN: I think we ought to move now on com-

pulsory saving - I am suggesting now purely on my own
responsibility, not representing anybody, I am suggesting
that we move now with a compulsory saving plan and lowering of the exemptions, and that we say now that we want

to get the machinery going at once for a collection of

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passing any measure now or introducing any rates now.
MR. PAUL: In other words, we make an announcement

we are for a sales tax, but not until next January.
MR. HANSEN: We put the machinery into effect,

however, until we are ready to collect it, until next
January.

H.M.JR: What is a war consumption tax?
MR. PAUL: Sales tax.

H.M.JR: I just wondered if it wasn't another
name?

MR. HANSEN: I think it is a big improvement as
a name. Names mean something. A war consumption tax

emphasizes the fact it is for the war, and the war only,
and it ought to say it terminates when the war is over.
It should be billed quite separately so that the buyer
sees what the price is, the same price that was paid
before, and here billed separately is this war consumption
tax.

H.M.JR: Doctor Hansen, you have left out one thing.
Where do you stand on freezing of wages?

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MR. HANSEN: I think it is essential at this moment.
H.M.JR: To freeze wages?

MR. HANSEN: To freeze wages and also the retail

prices.
Hold
cost of living where it is. Allow time
and a half
for the
overtime.
MR. GALBRAITH: Mr. Secretary, I would like to say

just one word there.
I think
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we both
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to program
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of its

objective and the objective is more important than the
content. Now, there is one--

H.M.JR: May I interrupt you? I agree with the

objectives a hundred percent.

MR. GALBRAITH: The one part of the content which we

are not in agreement with is the war consumption tax, or

sales tax and I would just like to say this: It seems to

me that most of the disagreement, most of that one hundred

minus eighty-five, that fifteen percent disagreement,
centers around that one point, the sales tax or its alternatives.

MR. HANSEN: But not on the lowering of the exemptions.

MR. WHITE: It is not a pointed issue. He is talking

about January 1, 1943. You don't need eight months, even

if you wanted to put it in at that point, and I am not sure

that you do, because you will know a lot more then than you
know now, Even if you did want to put it in now, to discuss
the desirability of announcing a sales tax or a war consumption tax which I think is a better name eight months

ahead, is to me completely politically unrealistic and
quite unnecessary, and that discussion can be postponed

for at least three months.

MR. PAUL: Particularly when, if you announce it now,

you will get it in this bill.

MR. GALBRAITH: I am assuming just that point, Harry,

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that if we talk about it for January 1943MR. WHITE: Well, that removes that from the discussion.
There is no disagreement there because it isn't necessary

either to agree or disagree at this point.

MR. PAUL: The question is whether it should go in

on this tax bill - apart from the labor item, the big

disagreement is whether we go in on this labor bill and
complicate it with demands for additional taxes.

MR. GILBERT: There is a very critical point there,
Alvin, that I would like to have you comment on. If you
reopen the reduction of the exemptions at this time, if
you mention the sales tax in any form, aren't the odds
that what will happen will be that you get the sales tax,
that you get the reduction of the exemptions, that you
get a cut in the rates under the personal income tax
and that you get a cut in the excess profits tax. You
don't get more taxes, but you get a change in the distribution, a change in the distribution which runs directly
counter to this basic core idea of a progressive tax
system. Now--

MR. HANSEN: May I say what I think about that?
MR. GILBERT: Just one minute, please.
MR. HANSEN: You are asking another question now.

MR. GILBERT: No, it is just the same thing, further
implications of this question I am asking. Now, I think
there is agreement that we have got to stop the increase

of the cost of living, and we feel very strongly in the
OPA that we can not politically or in justice or from any
other point of view freeze wages, and we entirely agreed
that we mustn't freeze wages unless you freeze the cost

of living and unless you get adequate taxation of profits.
Now, if you get a tax structure-H.M.JR: Excuse me, I don't hear too well. Did you
say - did you list freezing labor just now?

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- 32 MR. GILBERT: Yes. I am saying that if you freeze
the cost of living and freeze wages, then to make that
politically possible and to get and keep the wholehearted
cooperation of labor in the war effort, without which we
can't win the war, then you have got to have a really
progressive tax system that holds profits in line to the
same line that you have adopted for labor and for the
farm group.

MR. WHITE: I don't think the Secretary quite under-

stands what you are saying.
MR. PAUL: No.

MR. WHITE: You said that you felt, or OPA felt, that
the OPA strongly felt, that you cannot at this time freeze

wages, didn't you?

MR. GILBERT: No, I did not say that. No, I agreed

that we must freeze wages.

H.M.JR: That is what he said.
MR. GILBERT: But I say that in order to freeze wages

and still hold the allegiance of labor, then you have to,
one, really hold the cost of living.
MR. HANSEN: Right.

MR. GILBERT: And two, you have to clip profits just
as hard as you you clip wages and clip-MR. HANSEN: Right.
MR. GILBERT:

and professional men and so on.
And up and down the line.

MR. WHITE: Pardon me. This is an important point.
I want to make sure I understand the OPA. Do you think
we can freeze the income of farmers, the income of professional men, the income of speculators and security
holders and business men, do you think we can?

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- 33 MR. HANSEN: Not income, Harry, it is rates.
MR. WHITE: There are only twenty-four hours in the
day and when you freeze the farmer'shourly rate, you are
freezing him entirely.
MR. GILBERT: Harry, just a moment. As a matter of

fact, farm output is increasing, and it is going to increase;

and with frozen farm prices, cash farm income is going to

move up.

MR. WHITE: That is right.
MR. GILBERT: The same is true on the labor point.

H.M.JR: The point that Harry is making, and it is

very important as far as we are concerned, are you talking about freezing the income of the laboring man or the
income of everybody?

MR. HANSEN: Not the income, the wage rate. The wage

rate, not the income.

H.M.JR: I said "income" advisedly.
MR. WHITE: Wage rate is the same as income to labor-MR. HANSEN: Oh, no.

MR. WHITE: Just a moment. We are on a very impor-

tant point of difference here, and I think we have got
to thrash this thing through.
MR. GILBERT: That is right, but, Mr. Secretary,
time and a half is going to make a lot of difference.

There is continuous upgrading, and men who were making

twenty dollars a week a year ago are making thirty or
thirty-five now, and men who are making twenty now are

going to make thirty-five before the year is out so that
labor's income will go up. All that is under discussion
is to freeze wage rates per hour.
MR. HANSEN: That is right.

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MR. GILBERT: I think that is absolutely necessary
if we are going to hold farm prices and

we got to prevent

those things from
this have time
any growth
to got
do prevent
both in total of
profits
forward.
We
have
to
any upping of the scales - of the salary scales for

management and so on.

MR. HANSEN: That is right.
MR. GILBERT: Now, the point I am trying to make,

and I want you to comment on that, Alvin, is this: If

you propose now to the Congress a change in the total

taxes, throwing in these other elements, aren't you likely
to undermine the entire program because you will get a
less progressive system, you will not get the profits
taxes that you have got to get, you will not get the
upping of the individual rates that you have got to get,
and we shall wind up in the position in which we can't
hold the line on the labor front and we can't hold the
line on the farm front.
MR. HANSEN: That is the point I want to answer,

exactly. That is the point I want to answer. I think
if the President came before the country, sent this message to Congress, followed it with a fireside chat, I

think there is absolutely nothing in Congress that could
withstand it. I think he would get his program, a hundred
percent.

what?

MR. WHITE: Nothing in Congress that would withstand
MR. HANSEN: That would withstand the President on

this general, all-around program. There is nothing in
Congress that could withstand it.

MR. WHITE: I am sure Congress would be delighted to

go for a sales tax and--

MR. HANSON: On his plan, not on their plan. On his
plan. I think he would win hands down against Congress.
The Vice President thinks so, too. He thinks Congress

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MR. WHITE: I am sure it would welcome freezing-MR. HANSEN: On his basis, on his plan, not a modi-

fication
of it. He would win hands down, a hundred percent.

MR. WHITE: I don't think his plan is clear. I

think what we are doing is picking out the statement - I

must say you have got me more confused than you had me

before, Dick. I thought you said the OPA was opposed to
freezing wages at this time.
MR. HANSEN: No.

MR. GILBERT: Now,Harry, we feel - as a matter of

fact - you ought to speak on this.
MR. GALBRAITH: Go ahead.

MR. GILBERT: We feel you ought to freeze wage rates

except for the sub-standard groups earning under forty
cents an hour and we ought to provide a cost of living
bonus from this time forward which in substance underwrites our promise to the American people that the cost

of living will not go up. We think that that cost of

living bonus is the counterpart of a parity arrangement.
We think it is unfair and impolitic to freeze wage rates
at the same time that we permit farm prices to go up if
the cost of living of farmers goes up. If the one stands,
the other must stand. We do not believe that we can
strike parity from the books. Therefore, we think that
a counterpart of that has got to be provided for labor.
I do not believe that that makes any substantial difference
between the position that Mr. Hansen takes and ours-MR. HANSEN: That is right.
MR. GILBERT: Because we are determined to hold the

cost of living and we, therefore, think that this cost-ofliving bonus is--

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- 36 MR. WHITE: Now, look, why do you identify hours of
labor when there are only twenty-four hours in a day, and
you can't extend that no matter how much of a magician
you are with a bushel of wheat when there is every pressure on the farmer to grow more wheat, and the more
wheat he grows, the greater his income. You are not fix-

ing the income of a farmer. If you talk hourly rates,
that is just a fancy underhand way of talking about fixing the wage earners' income--

MR. HANSEN: No, Harry. How can you talk like that.

Here I am working--

MR. WHITE: Now you--

MR. HANSEN: Just a moment. Here I am working

forty hours a week and my wage rate is frozen. Now, during
the next month I am going to - my hours are going to
increase.

MR. WHITE: Yes, you will keep right on until it is

a hundred and twenty hours a week I suppose.

MR. HANSEN: Until it is forty-eight, and I am paid

overtime and my income is increasing. Moreover, I am
earning something. I am being promoted to a better job.

O.K., there is no objection on that. We are not freezing

wage incomes.

MR. WHITE: How about--

MR. HANSEN: We are freezing wage rates.

MR. WHITE: How about the man who is already working--

H.M.JR: Wait a minute, Mr. Hansen, if you don't
mind my disagreeing with you, there isn't a munitions plant
today but where the people now are working fifty or
sixty hours. Where is the increase going to come from?
The tendency is the other way. I have been in these
various plants myself and they find that the seven-day
week is not the best for production so the tendency is going

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MR. HANSEN: For the industry as a whole, we are
now coming to a period of labor scarcity, and the average

hours for industry in the United States is only slightly
over forty hours if, indeed, it is forty hours.

H.M.JR: I am talking about munitions plants, airplane
plants, plants I have actually been in, where they have
tried the seven-day week, and they are going the other
way. They find they don't get the maximum. So the plants
that hours
I haveinstead
been in,
they are all talking about working
less
of more.
MR. HANSEN: Mr. Secretary, for the people who are -

and they are relatively few in the country as a whole,
and we are considering now the labor of the entire country for the people who are now working forty-eight hours or
more in the figures I have recently seen, it would indicate that in the general war industries it ranges from
forty-eight hours up, but that the average is around - and
as I recall it, though I may be wrong, the average is

slightly below forty-eight. Now, for those that are

working those hours, and I agree with you that is probably
all they ought to work, that the excess hours are bad,

around forty-eight, for those that are working at those
hours, they are already getting pay and a half. Their

increase in wage incomes has already occurred. It is a
very substantial increase. Now, for the great mass of
labor in the country who are only working forty hours or
less, there is an opportunity, and we must bring it about.
We are coming to a period of labor scarcity. We must
advance working hours all through the country from forty

up to forty-eight, and there will, therefore, be a very
substantial increase in wage incomes even though the

wage rates are frozen. There will be a very substantial

increase. Moreover, even in the munition plants, men are

learning - this is a wonderful opportunity for our labor
force to learn to become more skilled. Opportunities for
promotion to better jobs will be available, even in the
war industries that are working forty hours. This is not
freezing wage income, labor income. It is freezing wage

rates. It is a very different thing.

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MR. WHITE: Well, I flatly disagree with you, with
your facts and your interpretation. However, I don't
know whether that issue has got to be settled at this
point.

MR. SMITH: I am going to suggest we drop it, maybe,
Mr. Secretary, and go to another point.

H.M.JR: Let's take up joint returns, for instance.

(Laughter)

MR. PAUL: The question is whether you have ants in
your pants so that you have to do this now, or whether you

are going to wait until this bill is passed. I believe
very firmly that if you complicate this bill, what you
will get is no more money and a less desirable tax program. Not only do I think that, but I think affirmatively

we are going to get that program in large part anyway
unless the President or some person with greater authority
than some of us poor people that go up on the Hill comes
out and says we mustn't have sales tax.

H.M.JR: Well, Mr. Smith, just so that you people

know where I stand, the thing that bothers me about what

I have listened to this morning is this: The five billion
dollars or thereabouts that we all want to get, it seems
that your people are in favor of getting it through
forced savings. What we are asking for is another couple

of months to see whether we can demonstrate that we can

get it on the volunteer basis. There is one difference
of opinion, see, as to the method. We both want to get

the five billion but as to how to get it. That is one.

Then the other question seems to be the difference - and
I am talking now - should we freeze the hourly rate of
labor or should we not. I have my doubts on that. Where
we do seem to be in agreement is on the question of this

credit matter that you (Gilbert) talked about, the nine
billion dollars of consumer credit. It seems inexcusable.

And also that there seems to be two methods of approach

on the question of rationing, the one that White explained
to me only last night, that the - you tell a man with
five housand dollars income he can spend two of it on
consumer goods or you approach it from the other angle

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- 39 and say there are only so much goods to buy, but again

the result is, we limit the buying and therefore increase

the net amount of money that he has either through forced
savings or through volunteer savings. Now, is that a
fairly good summation, Dr. Hansen, as to at least - where
I agree and where I differ personally from you people?
What?
MR. HANSEN: Perhaps. Yes, I think perhaps so.

MR. PAUL: I think you left out one important point,

Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: Just a minute. Hansen made a very good

presentation of his case, and I just wondered where - if
I left out anything in my own mind.

MR. HANSEN: Well, you see, I feel that it is the
general all-around attack that is important, and I think
we differ on that.

H.M.JR: Well, I also - yes. Well, the one thing
that also - I am still not convinced that we should lower
the exemptions. I mean, there are those differences.
MR. HANSEN: Yes.

MR. PAUL: Well, there is the other difference of the

time factor.

H.M.JR: Oh, I am for the present moving now. I am
sold on that. I think we should make a move now, the

President should. I think it is long past due.
MR. PAUL: I meant the time factor in relation to

whether he moves in connection with this tax bill.

H.M.JR: Well, that is one thing again, but I am

all for the President doing something now and making a

presentation to the public. I think he should have done

it before, and I am delighted that he is interested. I

have got certain views, and you people have certain views,
and all we can do is to present them and he will do the

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- 40 way he always does, make up his own mind, but as to his

doing
going to the public - before the public
now, Isomething,
am all for that.

MR. SMITH: I hope, Mr. Secretary, that this isn't
one
of those
where everybody - I am adopting
the roll,
youmeetings
see, of needler.

H.M.JR: That is all right.
MR. SMITH: That everybody loudly professes agreement

about objectives and then goes out and goes their individual
ways, and we don't get down to resolving what we all recognize, apparently, as a rather minor area, although perhaps important, of disagreement and resolve those Issues.
Now, you stated, Mr. Secretary, what the issues are in

your mind. It seems to me that this situation is such -

I may be overemphasizing it - that we ought to resolve
the differences as far as we can and go with a comprehensive program, an integrated program. I feel that
unless the President presents such a program to the Congress,
to the people of the country, we are not going to - we are

going to have a lot of trouble with over-all price control,
wage control. The difficulties with your tax program are
going to be multiplied in presenting it to Congress and
I think sometimes we mix medicine. I would like to have
the economists tell me what their thoughts are on the

economic issues without mixing them too much with strategy

and political issues, and then somebody else - I mean, we
ought to announce we are discussing the two things to-

gether, and that the strategy side of it can be resolved
in the last analysis, of course, by the President.
I am very hopeful, Mr. Secretary, that we don't

dissolve this meeting without some program of further work

on these issues. I think if we do, or if we don't, we
are all going to be damn sorry for it, and of course that

may be another year.

H.M.JR: Well, here is the point. I am sorry the
President wants something tonight. I mean, I don't

understand why he wants something tonight and in the next

breath he says he won't move for three weeks. I don't

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understand that. But as far as continuing the work is
concerned, from my standpoint, it would be very worthwhile if you would have another meeting, say, Tuesday

morning.
I mean, if you have got the time. I have got
nothing which is as important as this.
MR. SMITH: Well, it seems to me-H.M.JR: Pardon me. You see, I only saw your memo-

randum yesterday. I was only able to study it briefly.
I haven't heard Hansen and these other people - I mean,
this is the first time I have heard them, and I would
like to think about it very carefully over the weekend.
I have got no personal hobbies on this thing. I want to
accomplish the end, and I would like them to be exposed

to some of the things that we think, for instance, that
we can do on the volunteer saving. I don't think that

they have had that explained to them, what they think we

can do. I don't think that they have thought of it.
Maybe they have. I don't think they have thought of it
sufficiently in terms of if you have rationing the
volunteer savings plan is just about a hundred percent
easier than it is the way it is now. As I say, there is
nothing more important than this that is before me, and

if it is agreeable to you, I would like to meet again

Tuesday morning at nine-fifteen and spent another hour

or two on this thing.

MR. SMITH: I hope in the meantime that the technicians

that is a poor term - that the boys here will get together
and agree. I am certainly confused by this discussion as
to what the different attitudes are, and it seems to me
that it is so important that we ought to more clearly define the differences, and you have set forth a number of

differences that are in your mind. Well, let's take up
that list and see what we can do with them and how we come
out. There are alternatives. So far as this memorandum

which I sent you, Mr. Secretary, that was done under forced
draft and the Boss said, "I want to take something up to
Hyde Park."

H.M.JR: Well, that is the situation I am in now.

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MR. SMITH: So it is very sketchy and subject to,

I assume, all manner of changes, and it is - in fact it
was so - done under forced draft that I didn't want it
to get into circulation. It gives some sort of a benchmark.
H.M.JR: Well, the President wanted Lie to see it.
Well, I am ready either Tuesday or Wednesday. If this

group is met - this is Friday. If you would rather have
it Wednesday and give them more time, let's make it

Wednesday morning.

MR. SMITH: It doesn't make any difference to me.

I will be on the job any time you set the time, Mr.

Secretary.

H.M.JR: Well, today is Friday-MR. HANSEN: I would prefer Wednesday, but it doesn't
make any difference.

H.M.JR: I would prefer Wednesday a little bit. It

will give me a little more time. At nine-fifteen,

and I will save the whole morning. This to me has been
very helpful, and in my whole nine years I have been here
at the Treasury, I have yet to push any personal hobby.

As far as I am concerned, it is never this or nothing,
and I have learned a lot this morning. I think that - for
instance, if I understood, it was only yesterday that OPA
changed on the sales tax.

MR. GILBERT: No, Mr. Secretary, our position has
been very badly misunderstood. We have never changed

position on the sales tax or - it is the position which
we have held consistently from the start. We think it
just as important today and for the same reasons as it
was earlier.

H.M.JR: Well, as far as I was concerned, I got some
idea of where somebody stood. I even accused Harry yes-

terday of being for the sales tax. I think it has been

a good meeting. From my standpoint, it has been very worth

while.

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- 43 MR. GALBRAITH: May I make one short comment, Mr.

Secretary? Apropos of a further meeting, we passed over
this morning rather hurriedly the question of measures,

price-fixing measures to stabilize the cost of living of
retail. That in itself is a policy of very sweeping proportions. The implications of that in terms of the extent
of Government control and in terms of the ancilary policies
that are necessary to make it work are very great indeed.

It has in itself a very close bearing on this question of
the sales tax. If the relations - and the prospective
inching up of those prices on the retail front as a result
of imposing a sales tax although even in the context in

which Alvin Hansen puts it, of something added onto the

price and billed separately, it seems it is worthy of very
close examination. There is one other question too, the
point that Harry and Dick were debating, whether that can
be done unless measures are taken to stabilize wage rates.
In my own judgment, it can't be done. My own judgment
is that the Administration cannot move on prices without
at the same time making a move to stabilize wage rates.

H.M.JR: Well, of course, the wage rate thing, it

seems to me we have got all the machinery the Government

wants on the wage rate thing now, and you have got all
these volunteer agreementswith the unions.

MR. HANSEN: Mr. Secretary, Mr. Leiserson told me

this about the way that machinery is working now. He says

the conciliators all through the country are acting all

the while as nothing more or less than wage rate boosters.

That is the way it is working out. They are eager for
one thing to conciliate a dispute, and they are acting all
the time as wage boosters.

MR. WHITE: Give them new instructions. It is very
simple.

MR. HANSEN: That is what I want, Harry. I want the

President to put this thing up so there will be no mistake

about it.

MR. WHITE: There is no similarity between the two
instructions. You take away, as I am sure you agree, Alvin

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- 44 -

and let me say I dislike very much to disagree with you
because ninety-eight percent of the time we are in
agreement, and this is the two percent, you take away the
chief cause for a wage increase if you keep the cost of
living down. That has been their chief argument. You
indicate to the conciliators of the War Labor Board that
the only conditions of a wage increase must be, A, in the
case where an increase in wages is accompanied by an

increase in productivity and you will admit that that is
quite possible; B, where it can be definitely demonstrated
that a wage increase will not increase prices and that is
also possible, it may come out of other areas; C, where
there are sub-standard wage rates; and, D, where there are
certain special circumstances which may result in an
increasing incentive necessary for the war effort, and

with those criteria established by the President, they
can't strike. You have got your labor conciliators, your

War Labor Board. You have got the wage problem licked

provided you freeze prices and do these other things
which will enable the price fixing arrangement to bear
satisfactory proof because obviously you can't freeze
ceiling prices on homogeneous goods, et cetera, I don't
see that it is necessary to do more than what has just

been indicated and come out the same place you do. We
do want to stop general sweeping wage increases, of course;

but I think the machinery is there, provided you have the

cost of living stopped, and that there still is room for

adjustments in wage rate increases.

MR. HANSEN: Mr. Secretary, I think we ought to say
that we have discussed the wage rate freezing thing in

detail with Millis, Leiserson and Altmeyer. All three
are a hundred percent for it, for wage rate freezing.
They are all a hundred percent for it.

MR. WHITE: I have discussed it with more than three

persons, and they are all against it.
MR. HANSEN: I am just telling you this, as a matter
of fact, that we have gone into detail with these three

men and they are all a hundred percent for wage rate
freezing.

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- 45 MR. WHITE: That still leaves us both
MR. HANSEN: Who are your gentlemen, I would like

to know?

MR. GILBERT: I dislike raising a political situa-

tion after what Mr. Smith has said.

MR. SMITH: As long as you announce it, it is all

right.

MR. GILBERT: Just the fact that the Canadians have
coupled a wage freeze with a price freeze. Consider the
background of the Congressional debates at the time the

price bill was up. Consider the attitude of Congress.

Practically speaking, how can we freeze farm prices in
view of this situation and not move on the wage front?

MR. WHITE: We could do it by administrative order.
MR. GILBERT: That is all that is proposed.

MR. WHITE: That is right. You freeze prices by
administrative order. You don't need permission of

Congress. You put it into effect.

MR. HANSEN: That is what we are proposing.

daruchs

to President)

COPY

Kemorandum for the President:
1.

April 3. 1942.

Answering memorandum of the

Treasury signed D.V.B. 3/26/42

Whatever the reasons for boarding gold and silver,

it is the first unerring symptom of inflation.

2. High prices for gold and silver, like anything else,

are due to a policy of restriction OF scarcity which always

comes with inflation.

3. I do not suggest that the British government supply

gold and silver but that the United States government undertake

it direct with the Indian government. It would have to be
done with the consent of the British.

In any peace negotiations 11 sight be useful for the
Indian government to feel that the United States had been

its friend in the difficult circumstances now facing it. If

the new Indian government do not wish it, that is another
thing but I am quite certain they would like to have hard
money - gold and silver - to supply at some price to their
frightened people. Except victory, it would tend to do more

than anything to stabilise conditions in India, just as the

issuance of Chinese silver dollars would have the effect of
stabilising prices there. Cannot anything be done to
lessen the evile that flow from hearding? Observing it does
no good.

Supplying gold and silver would cause a greater
flow of jute, manganese and mica because if they cannot get
gold and silver, there will be a tendency to hold on to FAW

materials. Inflation always starts with trying to get hard

money, then things, and then, as in Germany, even second hand
furniture.
4.

Your memorandum says "She can, of course, buy all

the gold she is able to pay for at $35 an ounce." It may

be that the United States government would sell to the
National Bank of India at $35. an ounce but I would not say
what price we should put upon gold and silver now until we
see what concessions we can obtain for the gold and silver
we might want to sell or give as a loan - the metal to be
held here until six months after the signing of peace. On
this basis, the Bank of India could dispose of its present
stock of silver, knowing it would be replaced by earmarked
stocks here.

One of the important factors in keeping the Indians
in the last war was the supplying of silver.
Your memorandum says "Silver is selling in New

York at about 35 1/2 cents an ounce." But, the supply

is very limited. It might be advisable to let that price
advance gradually to say just under 40 cents. It would
help our Good Neighbor policy and would stimulate the

50

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-2increase of copper, lead and sine south of the Rio Grands
and not interfere with industrial uses here.

5. British and American gold soins are selling in

the Argentine at a premium of about 40%. I am aware
that the Argentine government does not supply gold to its

people. It might be arranged that if Argentine came along
with the United States, they could be given a loan of
gold dollars, earmarked in our Treasury until
six months after peace, to do with it as they wished.
I need not enlarge upon these possibilities.

In Portugal, American paper dollars sell at
10% to 15% discount against dollar checks OF cable transfers.
American gold coins is selling for about 100% premium in

paper dollars. Would it not be a good idea to permit
banks in New York to bring in paper dollars from

Portugal until such time as paper dollars no longer sell
at a discount? It is bad psychology to have the
American dollar sell at a discount anywhere in the world.
I suggest we wait the result of the Treasury's
inquiry with the British government and that we also explore
through the Indian representative here whether it would be
helpful to land to the Indian government such gold and
silver as to maintain some stabilisation and avoid the
continuance of social and economic panice of its people,
provided the government comes along whole-heartedly with
England, China and the United States in our war with Japan.

High prices for hard money. particularly gold,
tend to spread panic among all peoples of the world, and
make them suspicious of their own paper currency, with a
tendency towards inflation and the disruption of
manufacture and distribution.
(initialed) BMB

( Bernard m

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0

P

Y

April 3, 1942.

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Re: Anti-Inflation Program.
I have participated in discussions
with both Mr. Smith's group and the
Treasury group. I concur in Secretary
Morgenthau's memorandum which is being

sent to you tonight, except that I have
some reservations on the discussion

on voluntary vs. forced saving. Personally, I do not feel that "voluntary"

saving under the compulsion of quotas is

as equitable as forced saving. I think

we will eventually have to take the

position that if increased saving is
essential to the war effort, it should
be imposed universally and equitably.

Lauchlin Currie

LC:em

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April 3, 1942
12:13 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Lewis Douglas.

HMJr:

Hello.

Lewis

Douglas: Yes, Henry.

HMJr:

How are you?

D:

Nobody's poisoned me yet.

HMJr:

What?

D:

Nobody's poisoned me yet. How are you, Henry?

HMJr:

Why should they?

D:

Did you have a good time?

HMJr:

Very fine rest.

D:

Oh, good.

HMJr:

A very fine rest. You called me.

D:

Oh, yes. Henry - about Mrs. Purvis.

HMJr:

Yes.

D:

What do you think?

HMJr:

D:

HMJr:

D:

HMJr:

Well, perfectly frankly, Lew, I think with
the terrific shortage for space and Army
officers standing in a waiting line
Yes.

if she's going over there to live and
take three children with her
Yes.

I just wouldn't have the nerve to ask

the State Department.

54

-2D:

HMJr:
D:

HMJr:

I guess you're - I think you're right, Henry.
I just wouldn't have the nerve.
I think you're right.
I mean, I think that - as fond as I am of them Mrs. Purvis and three children, if they want to
go to England, that they shouldn't take the
seate of Army and Navy officials.

D:

Of fighting people.

HMJr:

Fighting people.

D:

I think that's right, Henry.
I hate to say it, but that's the way I feel.
I think you're just as right as you can be, sir,

HMJr:

Well

D:

HMJr:

D:

really.

(Laughs)

that's the way I feel, and

HMJr:
D:

HMJr:
D:

Yeah.

that's

Yes, I think - no, I think you're just a hundred
per cent right.

HMJr:

Okay, Lew.

D:

All right, sir.

HMJr:

Take care of yourself.

D.

I'm glad you had a good time out at La Osa.

HMJr:

Yes, I did. It's a nice spot.

D:

It is a lovely spot. I hope I see you soon.

55

-3HMJr:
D:

I hope so, too, Lew.

If you've got a minute, we might have lunch to-

gether or something.

HMJr:

Fine.

D:

Would you?

HMJr:

Yes, I'm - would you like to come over next
Tuesday?

D:

Next Tuesday for lunch?

HMJr:

Yes.

D:

HMJr:
D:

I'd love to, Henry, unless something else more
important for you turns up.

Well, it won't.

All right, sir.

HMJr:

All right. That'11 be Tuesday.

D:

Next Tuesday.

HMJr:

Yeah. One o'clock in the Treasury.

D:

Fine, Henry.

HMJr:

Okay. Good-bye.

D:

Good-bye.

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April 3, 1942
12:15 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Dwight Davis.

HMJr:

Yes. Hello.

Dwight

Davis:

Good morning, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

Yes, Mr. Davis.

D:

Sorry to bother you. This is Dwight Davis.

HMJr:
D:

HMJr:
D:

Go ahead.

I just wanted to ask you about Mr. Chester

Barnard.

Oh, yes.

I understand he was down here with you for a

while.

HMJr:

That's right.

D:

Is he a pretty good man?

HMJr:

Very good.

D:

Very good.

HMJr:

Yeah.

D:

HMJr:

Do you suppose there'd be any chance of his
coming back again? Did he indicate at all
when he left?

Well, the way he felt when he left was that
his own business needed him, that they had
such expansion up there.

D:

HMJr:
D:

Well, that's probably what I thought.
But he left under very pleasant circumstances.
Yeah. Then he would be a good man if I could
get him?

57

-2HMJr:

Yes, he's an excellent man.

D:

Thank you very much.

HMJr:

Okay.

D:

Sorry to bother you.

HMJr:

No bother.

D:

Hope to see you soon.

HMJr:

I hope so.

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

58

Conference in Secretary Morgenthau's Office
April 3, 1942
2:30 P.M.

Present: Secretary Morgenthau
Dr. Soong
Mr. White

The conference was called at the request of Dr. Soong.
Dr. Soong stated that he had come not to discuss business,
but rather to communicate a personal message from Generalissimo
Chiang Kai-shek to Secretary Morgenthau.

Dr. Soong stated the Generalissimo instructed him to call
personally and convey to Secretary Morgenthau the Generalissimo's
personal thanks and gratitude for the assistance which Secretary

Morgenthau had given in obtaining financial aid. The
Generalissimo also wished to express his appreciation for all
that Secretary Morgenthau had done in the past and assure the

Secretary that if the Secretary felt the funds were not wisely

used or wished to advise or comment on their use, that the
Generalissimo would be only too glad to receive his advice and
comments,

Secretary Morgenthau thanked Dr. Soong and said that the

important thing, after all, was the word of "Two gentlemen" and
not written agreements, and that China had demonstrated many
times that her word was as good as her bond and he had every

confidence it would continue to be so. Dr. Soong thanked him
and assured him that it would.
The Secretary asked Dr. Soong what he thought of the Indian
situation and whether he thought that Calcutta was as good as

gone. Dr. Soong replied that he thought there was an excellent
chance of holding Calcutta. He said that the Japanese forces
were considerably extended, and if they met with any "hard core"
of resistance they would have great difficulty going on.
Dr. Soong added that he was not optimistic about the situation
in the Middle East. He said that some stuff was going into
China - not a great deal, but some.

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-2Dr. Soong said that General Sikorsky, the Polish Prime
Minister, hoped that late in the summer when the German forces
were completely involved with the Russians that the British
and Americans would open new fronts in Europe. The Secretary
said he thought there was another approach to the problem.
Speaking purely as a layman, and in no way representing anyone's views, he thought the best thing to do was for the
American forces to take over the Russian front opposite
Finland and down to Leningrad. The Finns would soon stop
fighting and maybe the Swedes would join the Allies and the
Americans could thereby relieve possibly a million Russian
troops and insure an avenue of supply. He thought the United
States could land without too much difficulty one-half a

million troops in the near future for that purpose. The

Secretary said he hoped to be able to convince the appropriate
persons that that proposal ought to be carefully considered.

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April 3, 1942
2:50 pm

INFLATION

Present: Mr. Haas

Mr. Gaston

Mr. Sullivan

Mr. Paul

Mr. Kuhn

Mr. Blough
Mr. White

MR. PAUL: Perhaps we should explain there that
we have developed the thought of making a short summary statement under each one of these points, and
then have a longer statement following. That new
statement, summary statement of argument, hasn't
been completed yet.

MR. BLOUGH It is being typed. It will come in.

H.M.JR: All right. Well, would this be the

thing that goes to the President?

MR. PAUL: Then Herb has a letter, I think.
MR. GASTON: It will be in in'a moment.

H.M.JR: To go to the President?
MR. GASTON: Yes, transmitting it.

MR. PAUL: And then in addition, I have a state-

ment, a sort of footnote statement as you suggested,

that Currie is willing to go along with one reserva-

tion. Shall I read that?

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-2H.M.JR: Please.

MR. PAUL: I agree with this plan, except that I

think compulsory saving is both more effective and

equitable than voluntary saving, and that it will prob-

ably prove advisable to switch to compulsory saving a
few months hence. Personally, I resent voluntary pat-

riotic saving, and feel that if saving is essential to
the war effort it should be imposed universally and
equitably.

H.M.JR: That would go along?

MR. PAUL: Currie is willing to go with us with

that reservation.
over?

H.M.JR: That should be attached. Is he coming
MR. PAUL: Yes, he will be here.

H.M. JR: Shall I start to read on this? Has
everybody seen this but me?

(Mr. Bell entered the conference.)

H.M.JR: Dan, they have got something for us, if

you like to read it.

MR. BELL: I had a big conference going in there.

H.M.JR: Well, this is Hobson's choice. You can
stay or go as you please.

MR. BELL: I would like to continue with my conference unless you particularly.want me here.

H.M.JR: Get the Hell out of here then. Go ahead.
(Facetiously)

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-3MR. BELL: I would like to read it, though.
tant. MR. KUHN: The first page is all that is impor-

MR. BELL: Let me read the first page.

H.M.JR: I may not see you again. You and I will

do prices tomorrow morning.

MR. BELL: On the telephone?

H.M.JR: Yes. This is a very good job. I don't

know how many people did it, but it is a very workmanlike piece of work.
MR. GASTON: I was the reporter, and Roy was the

editor. All the rest supplied the ideas.

H.M.JR: Well, it is a very workman-like piece.

If this is going to rewritten, I think wherever the

word "not" is, it should be underlined, because he
might read this in a hurry, you see. Things that

should not be done, you should have "not" underlined.

Herbert, I think in each case so there is no misunderstanding, I would keep repeating, the things not to be
done.

MR. GASTON: Yes.

H.M.JR: He might turn over that page and read-MR. PAUL: You can say things not to be done, and

continue it right up to the top.

MR. BLOUGH: Or make it no compulsory saving.

H.M.JR: He might just pick up sompulsory saving

and say, "Hell, the Treasury is for it."

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-4MR. SULLIVAN: I think it will be clear in the new
form of the draft that is to come in. I don't think
there will be the likelihood of such an error.

H.M.JR: I think it is a masterpiece.
MR. PAUL: I think it is a swell memorandum consider-

ing the time allotted.

H.M.JR: Let me see your piece.
MR. HAAS: The cooks have been worrying about the

spice. (Handing charts to Secretary.) Over here is you get this personal saving. This whole thing is thirtynine and a fraction billion dollars.
H.M.JR: You ought to show that.
MR. HAAS: At the present time there is so much
for personal savings and so much for business idle funds,

and these are inflationary idle funds. Assumption two,

specific rationing like Henderson is doing now, assuming

it is fifty percent effective, and then you cut down some

of the inflationary--

H.M.JR: Can't you just turn the bank thing around
SO it will be up on the top? Can you turn that over
again?

MR. HAAS: Oh, sure.

H.M.JR: You see, the bank thing, so if he looks-MR. HAAS: He will see it in the same spot.
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. HAAS: And here, over here--

H.M.JR: Wait, let me just see. Idle funds would

be the same--

MR. HAAS: That should be called idle funds. Those
are those reserves for depression in business and so on.

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-5H.M.JR: It is the same?
MR. HAAS: That would be the same, but here is

the increase that goes over it. Personal savings
increases here five and a half billion. You see,

this cross section is additional. That is the addition
to this personal savings because of the specific rationing.

H.M.JR: Couldn't you take, for instance, an arrow
down here and say, "Through using this plan you get five
and a half billion more available personal savings"?

MR. HAAS: Yes, that would help it out a lot.
H.M.JR: I mean, just take an arrow and run it

down here, and the same with this.

MR. HAAS: Yes, over here you get all this.

H.M.JR: Now this, you don't go to the banks at all?
MR. HAAS: No banks. That is Harry's--

H.M.JR: I think you ought to say under this plan,
"Please note that you don't have to go to the banks at
all."
MR. HAAS: That is presumed to be a hundred percent
effective.

H.M.JR: Harry's plan is so good it makes me think

of the days when Herman Oliphant--

MR. WHITE: Harry's plan is so good it will never
be adopted.

H.M.JR: I was going to say Oliphant said, "Mr.
President, I can get you all the increased revenue you
want without anybody feeling it through the undistributed
profits tax.

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-6MR. HAAS: Well, he assumed, too, that all loopholes

would
be closed. There is a very important assumption
here, too.
H.M.JR: Oh, you remember those days, do you,

George?

MR. HAAS: Oh, yes.

H.M.JR: What is the thing here?
MR. HAAS: The assumption here is that it would be

fully a hundred percent effective.

H.M.JR: How is the President going understand

number three?

MR. WHITE: He can't.

it.

MR. HAAS: He can't understand it. We just named

MR. WHITE: I think rather than use that now if

you have any choice, if you give George a chance to work

over that next week, he will have a real good chart
because that doesn't quite bring out the idea that you
are replacing inflationary - I think he needs a little
more time to think about it.
MR. HAAS: This idle funds dropped off, we are

not using it at all, and this eleven we inserted in.
H.M. JR: No, I want to send it over as a teaser to

show the President we have something.

MR. WHITE: Then take that slice of the pie out and

drop it below.

MR. BLOUGH: I know you like pies, but could you do

a better job with three- bars and make dotted lines

over from one bar to the next and show how one segment
drops out altogether and another segment gets much bigger.

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-7MR. HAAS: I like bars better than pies. (Laughter.)

Candy bars.

MR. SULLIVAN: Oyster bars.

H.M.JR: This has to go over tonight. You can try
bars, I don't care, but I certainly would send the

President something.

MR. WHITE: He can use that if he just drops the
quarter section out. If you give him another couple of
hours, I think he can have it.

H.M.JR: I will sign the letter; and as long as it

gets over there - Herbert, see that a Secret Service man
takes it over tonight, see.
MR. GASTON: Yes.

H.M.JR: What?

MR. GASTON: Yes, we will see that it gets over

there.

H.M.JR: But, I certainly would send this thing
over. Otherwise the President will say, "Well, that
is that. What has Henry got? He has got nothing new." "
MR. PAUL: That is a good teaser.

H.M.JR: You have got to have a white rabbit. This
is the white rabbit.
MR. SULLIVAN: Or a red herring.

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-8H.M.JR: Maybe it is a white rabbit that has swallowed

a red herring. It is so wonderful that I know it can't

work, as Harry says.

MR. WHITE: Well, maybe the advantage is that he

won't understand it, but he thinks he should, and that
will give you a chance to give him another one later.

MR. HAAS: It explains the principle. If it does

work a hundred percent effective, you get a picture
something like that.

MR. BLOUGH: You should put in red ink at the top,
"assuming it works."

MR. HAAS: Well, it says so there, a hundred percent
effective.
H.M.JR: Oh, by all means send it over.
MR. PAUL: It is a good teaser anyway.

H.M.JR: It is a teaser. And wherever possible, use

the word "cost of living" instead of inflationary, if it

is possible. Now, what are we waiting for?

MR. GASTON: I am waiting for that letter. God

knows why it hasn't come in.

H.M.JR: Don't swear. Be relaxed for a minute.
I am supplying the blood and Herbert the sweat.

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MR. GASTON: That is right, and we will both supply

the tears. I repeated in the letter just a little.

H.M.JR: The amount of money available in consumer

expenditure. That is all right.

MR. WHITE: We don't favor that yet, do we?
MR. GASTON: We do it through individual rationing
or otherwise.
MR. PAUL: Harry means we don't want to take the
position yet.

H.M.JR: He said if we adopted a program.
MR. PAUL: He says which we favor.

H.M.JR: Which we in the Treasury strongly favor."
MR. GASTON: We can eliminate that.

MR. PAUL: Which we are inclined to favor, or some-

thing like that.

MR. GASTON: I thought that was-MR. WHITE: If you would say, "rationing" it would be

all right. Then it is vague enough so we could shift.

MR. GASTON: A general rationing would cover that.

MR. WHITE: That is right.

H.M.JR: I think we can strike out, "which we in the
Treasury strongly favor." Instead of saying, 'in the
Treasury's proposal," I would say "in the Administration's

proposal. Damn it, he approved this. I mean, it is
the Administration, it isn't the Treasury.

MR. PAUL: I would like to put a sentence in there.
I would like to add some sort of a plug against the sales

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tax more firmly than we have because the President has

got to help us if we are going to resist this.

2

H.M.JR: Well, you have got time. Not much time
but you have got time. This has to be signed, you see.
MR. PAUL: It is in here.
MR. GASTON: We have got it in there. There is
more of this here.

H.M.JR: Do you want to go as strong as that,
"unnecessary, impractical, and exceedingly dangerous"?
MR. PAUL: Those are the words we used.

MR. KUHN: It is just as strong in this text.

H.M.JR: All right. I think it is excellent. You

fellows can have another fifteen minutes.

MR. HAAS: The reference to the chart has to be
changed.

MR. WHITE: There is just one change, Mr. Secretary,
that I myself consider important. I wonder whether you

would be willing to consider it. I think on this quota

thing, we should say, "But we will know whether this will
be successful in a month or two," so they won't be able to
say as they are now and as they will say to him , "You are

going to wait until the end of July? We don't think this

program is going to work and another five months will have

gone by. "

H.M.JR: What I told Congress was that I would know

between now and the first of July. That is what I told

Congress and I want to stick to that.

MR. KUHN: And the idea is you hope to get the quota

of seven hundred million for May, eight hundred fifty

for June, and a billion for July.

H.M.JR: Yes. If you want to put anything in, I would

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know. simply say, "between now and the first of July we will

MR. WHITE: Yes, well, something like that. It
says the end of July there.
H.M.JR: No, I II said, "between now and the first of

July we will know.

MR. WHITE: The success of that planH.M.JR: Success or failure.
MR. WHITE: We will know whether we will be able to

achieve that.

H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. WHITE: So there will be some assurance that

you are not going to wait until the end of July.

H.M.JR: No, between now and the first of July.

to it.MR. GASTON: We agree on this change, if you agree
H.M.JR: What is that?
MR. GASTON: This sentence here. Instead of striking
out, "Which we in the Treasury strongly favor," leave it,
"If we adopt a program of strict rationing of consumer
expenditure. We are preparing to strike out "consumer
expenditure and say, "If we adopt a program of strict
rationing which we in the Treasury strongly favor, the
amount of money available for Federal borrowing will be

greatly increased. "

H.M.JR: That is all right.
MR. GASTON: And then leave that in that we favor
rationing on some plan.

H.M.JR: And on the letter, what I would say on the

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simply say, "between now and the first of July we will

know.

MR. WHITE: Yes, well, something like that. It
says the end of July there.
H.M.JR: No, I If said, "between now and the first of
July we will know.
MR. WHITE: The success of that plan-H.M.JR: Success or failure.
MR. WHITE: We will know whether we will be able to

achieve that.

H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. WHITE: So there will be some assurance that

you are not going to wait until the end of July.

H.M.JR: No, between now and the first of July.

to it.MR. GASTON: We agree on this change, if you agree
H.M.JR: What is that?
MR. GASTON: This sentence here. Instead of striking

out, "Which we in the Treasury strongly favor," leave it,

"If we adopt a of strict rationing of consumer
We are

expenditure. program
preparing
to strikeaout
of "consumer strict
expenditure
and say,
"If we adopt
program

rationing which we in the Treasury strongly favor, the

amount of money available for Federal borrowing will be
greatly increased. "

H.M.JR: That is all right.
MR. GASTON: And then leave that in that we favor
rationing on some plan.

H.M.JR: And on the letter, what I would say on the

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bottom is, "Copy to Mr. Harry Hopkins and to Mr. Harold
Smith," and those copies can go over tomorrow. On my
letter to the President, on the bottom, "Copies to Harry
Hopkins and Harold Smith, and Lauch Currie. "
MR. GASTON: That will include copies of the memorandum,
of course.
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. GASTON: And then shall we stick a sentence in

this letter to the effect that Lauch Currie agrees with

us except as to compulsory savings?

H.M.JR: Well, you can get Lauch to sign that little

memo. Let Lauch write a letter to the President and en-

close it with mine. Just let him sign the thing.

PAUL:idea.
And his letter doesn't have to go to Smith,
that MR.
is a better
MR. GASTON: All right, and we won't mention it in

this letter at all.

H.M.JR: Lauch's letter can go to the President and

Harry Hopkins.

MR. PAUL: And it doesn't have to be part of this
letter which goes to Smith.
MR. GASTON: That is Hopkins, Currie and Smith.

MR. BLOUGH: Do you wish to go over this first page
or two which is being done over.

H.M.JR: No. I want that letter, Herbert, written
as fast as possible to sign it, you see.
MR. GASTON: Yes. Now what is that you wanted to add

on page two, Harry?

MR. WHITE: Simply say, "We will know whether we will

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be able to achieve this--"
H.M.JR: "We will know between now and the first of

July whether we will be able to accomplish this." I
didn't feel as good as you did, John, about this meeting.
MR.sails.
SULLIVAN: Oh, I thought you knocked the wind out
of their

H.M.JR: 1 don't thinkI made any dent on hansen or-MR. SULLIVAN: Oh, no, but these fellows thought this

was their mission and they were the ball what

they
were
to
impose
on
and
fooled
around ten or fifteen minutes and
wanted with them they about going carrying us, you then and you

went to town after Galbraith talked, and you talked for
about fifteen minutes and all the gump went out of them.

H.M.JR: I told you when I first came back, everybody was worried, it gets down to, "Have we the intelligence
or haven't we?" I don't know, but this is a fine piece of
work and I am glad to put my name to it. harold Smith

hasn't spent much time on this.

MR. PAUL: That is what gets my goat, that this

Gerhardt Colm is running the Budget.

MR. SULLIVAN: They have one terrific disadvantage,

Mr. Secretary, in doing this job. They are trying to
shape a lot of things to arrive at their ambition of the
sales tax and at the same time pretend that they are not

for a sales tax per se and it blocks them on a lot of things
they try to do.

MR. KUHN: This is going to serve the President's

purpose.

H.M.JR: For the first. There are a lot of things
that he could use there, but for the first shot - after
all, you haven't got much time. At least this is going
to hold the fort until we can get around and I think

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the strong point I made this morning was when I said
to these fellows that they are doing everything the

New Deal stand against by taking it off the rich and
putting it on the poor.
MR. SULLIVAN: You slipped over one nasty crack two
or three times without them coming back to you. You

said, "After all, I haven't any hobby here, I am just
trying to do a job." I thought the second time you

used it somebody was coming back. Do you recall?

MR. PAUL: This all goes back to the time when Smith

took a position with the President in favor of a sales
tax.

MR. KUHN: Is it going to be at least three weeks

before the President moves?

it.

H.M.JR: That is what he says, but I don't believe
MR. SULLIVAN: That is the thing I am afraid of.
H.M.JR: Why should he keep saying he wants this

tonight?

MR. SULLIVAN: If he hasn't already foreclosed this
in his own mind, I think you have got Smith licked.
MR. WHITE: The other men in the Budget want a
meeting Saturday or Monday on this general rationing

so it is contemplated to have Henderson's group and
their group.
MR. PAUL: They are all coming over Monday morning

at ten, Harry. I arranged it with them before they
left. I will be glad to turn them over to you on the
rationing if you want.

MR. BLOUGH: When is the meeting on Monday?

MR. PAUL: Ten o' clock in the morning.

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H.M.JR: Do you want to take a little time,

Harry, on Cuba, is that what you want?

MR. WHITE: Oh, no. Cuba is one thing but that
isn'tthere
rushing.
It can and
waitBolivia.
until Monday or Tuesday,
but
is Iceland

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4/3/42

Draft dictated by Secretary Morgenthau.

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April 3, 1942

My dear Mr. President:
You have asked me to let you have a memorandum

tonight on the cost of living.
Everybody in the Treasury is in agreement that
we should not leave a stone unturned to keep the cost of

living as nearly as possible at present levels.
There seems to be general agreement that there

will be somewhere between $10 billions and $15 billions

of money in the pockets of the people of the United States

with nowhere to go. The questions resolves itself into
"What can we do to keep that money from competing with

itself for the goods which still remain available for
purchase by the civilian population?".
We in the Treasury feel that there must be some

kind of rationing. The rationing can take two directions: either through withholding the goods from the
civilian population, or through withholding the money

with which to buy the goods. We feel that the $9 billions
worth of consumer credit at this time must be greatly curtailed.

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In our studies to finance the estimated deficit

of $39 billions for the coming fiscal year of 1943, if
no changes were made, we have arrived at the following

conclusions: that you can get X money from this source,
X money from that source and X money from that source.

The amount of money that you can get from current incomes
greatly depends upon whether you have rationing and what

kind of rationing you have. If you would have complete
rationing, the sale of Defense Bonds could be easily
doubled and the amount of borrowing from the banks would
be decreased by an equal amount.

The principal points of difference between Harold
Smith and his advisers and ourselves are the following:

I. We feel that any change at this time in the proposed tax bill would most likely lead to getting less
revenues from personal income taxes and corporations and

getting more income, consequently, from the lower income

groups. The reason that we are opposed to lowering the
exempt ions at this time on married men and single men is

(1) we find that until the typical American family reaches

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an income of $1250 a year, they do not begin to save any
money. We also find that a man with $750 income already
pays $139 a year in Federal and State taxes.

We are of the belief that any suggestion to Congress
for a sales tax at this time would be accepted by them
with a corresponding reduction in, as I have said, the
corporate and individual income tax and with no net gain
to the Treasury.

The Social Security thing should be pushed aggressively.

We in the Treasury feel that until the various loopholes, amounting to about $1 billions in revenue, are closed
by the Congress, it is unwise and unfair to recommend the

lowering of exemptions or sales taxes, both of which fall
on the low income group.

We, furthermore, are in disagreement on the question

of freezing wages for labor. It is our belief that if
labor could be assured that the cost of living would remain
more or less constant and that corporations and individuals

would not be permitted to get rich out of the war, that the
hue and cry from labor for increase in their hourly wage

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would subside. We feel that this is such an important

point that in view of labor's splendid attitude to date

in regard to the war effort, it is certainly worthy of
being given a fair trial. a Furthermore, we believe that
if you now would move publicly to check the cost of living, that our volunteer plan for sale of Defense Savings
Bonds would be greatly accelerated. We are proposing,
next week, to notify the 44,000 corporations who already

have the volunteer payroll plan in force and the unions
in those various corporations that we consider a 10% deduction in their gross wages the goal which they should
aim for.

To date we have refused to give them a goal,

but we feel the time has arrived that we should.
We are also proposing to announce, on April 13,

a quota for the United States by counties for May, June

and July, reaching in July $1 billion per month. We
feel also that we have a good chance of reaching this

goal if between now and the first of July you move on

other fronts. I think that you will agree with me that
if we could reach $1 billion a month through volunteer
rather than forced savings, this would be a great accomplishment and benefit for the morale of the country as a whole.

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Both Mr. Smith's groups and ourselves want to get
another $5 billions in savings from the people and we

here feel that we have a good chance of getting it through
the volunteer method and they feel it must be done through
the compulsory.

The staffs of the Budget, OPA and the Treasury will
work continuously from now until Wednesday morning when

we will meet again and see if we cannot get a closer meet-

ing of the minds. The fact that you stated at Cabinet that
you did not propose to do anything for three weeks certainly
should give all of us time to give you a comprehensive plan

with which to meet the cost of living situation.
Yours sincerely,

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April 3. 1942.
My dear Mr. President:
You asked me to let you have tonight a memorandum

on the cost of living and what ought to be done about
it. I am enclosing such a memorandum, together with a
chart in which we have tried to show under three different
assumptions approximately how the estimated deficit of
$39 billions for the coming fiscal year may be financed.
Everybody in the Treasury is in agreement that we
should not leave a stone unturned to keep the cost of
living as nearly as possible at the present level. You
will notice in the plan proposed we have not limited ourselves to fiscal measures for we do not believe that
fiscal measures alone are adequate to meet the situation.
If we adopt a program of strict rationing, which we in
the Treasury strongly favor, the amount of money available

for Federal borrowing will be greatly increased and it will
come from sources that will not be inflationary. This will
very greatly modify the divisions of the chart here presented.

There are radical points of difference between our
conclusions and those of Harold Smith's group, as you will
notice by reading the annexed outline and discussion. We
feel strongly that it would be a mistake to yield to the
clamor for a sales tax. Rather we think the revenue bill
will contain a sales tax unless resistance to a sales tax
is greatly intensified. One very cogent reason against

consenting to a sales tax is that we think the effect of

recommending a sales tax would be that Congress would use

this as an excuse to make drastic outs in the Administration's proposals for increases in personal and corporate
incomes and profits, with the result that we should get
no more revenue but simply have shifted the source of
revenue to the lower income groups.

We object on the same grounds to lowering the personal
exemptions and we have in mind that the typical American

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or less, and that a man with a $750 income already pays

$139 a year in Federal, state and local taxes.

We also, as you will note, are in strong disagree-

ment on the proposal to freeze wages, which we think
unnecessary, impractical and exceedingly dangerous.

We believe that the system of voluntary savings
through the sale of war savings bonds and stamps should
be continued and should not be complicated or destroyed
at this time by any compulsory savings plan. We are
inaugurating a system of quotas which we believe will

result in pushing up the sales of war savings bonds to
a billion a month by the end of July. We will know

between now and July 1 whether we can reach this result.
Both Mr. Smith's group and ourselves want to get another

$5 billions from savings. We feel that we have an excellent chance to get it through the volunteer method and
that that method is much to be preferred.
The staffs of the Budget, OPA and the Treasury will
we will meet again and see if we cannot get a closer
meeting of the minds. The fact that you stated at Cabinet
that you did not propose to do anything for three weeks
work continuously from now until Wednesday morning when

certainly should give all of us time to give you a com-

prehensive plan.

Sincerely yours,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.
The President,
The White House.

cc: Harry Hopkins
Harold Smith

Lauchlin Currie

Leon Henderson

Vice President Wallace

Donald Nelson

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April 3, 1942
A PROGRAM TO CONTROL THE COST OF LIVING

During the coming fiscal year there will be at
least $10 to $15 billions of money in the pockets of

the people of. the United States with nowhere to go.
What can we do to keep that surplus purchasing power

from driving up the cost of living?

Things That Should Be Done Now

(1) Freeze the price ceilings of consumer goods,
services and rents at current levels.

This should be the first step. It is not
in itself enough, but is an essential part of

a complete program.

(2) Urge the speedy enactment of the entire

Administration tax program.

This $7.6 billion program is the most that

we can expect to get at this time. It is a

balanced program which should have substantial

effect in restricting consumer demand.

(3) Enlarge soope of social security benefits

and levy additional social security taxes as proposed
by the President.

This will reduce consumer demand particu-

larly in the lower income levels without having
adverse effects to be expected from other devices dipping into incomes close to the subsistence level.

(4) Intensify the drive for sale of war savings
$12 billions in fiscal year 1943.
This will have a substantial effect in

bonds introducing quota features to raise an estimated
reducing consumer purchasing power because

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wage earner through the newly developed plan

of voluntary payroll savings.

(5) Increase surveillance over credit and impose further restrictions on installment credit,
speculative loans, loans for consumption purposes,
and all credit for non-productive purposes.
The $9 billions of outstanding consumers'
credit should be reduced by further restrictione of credit for consumer purposes.

(6) Increase scope of rationing to cover as

rapidly as possible all consumer goods where shortages
exist or are expected to develop.

Rationing of goods on a broad scale is
clearly inevitable if there is to be anything
like a fair distribution of consumer goods
which will be available if the war demand
intensifies and existing stocks are depleted.

Rationing is fair. It makes available the
limited supplies of necessaries of life to
poor and rich alike.
(7) Give immediate consideration to a plan for
restricting or rationing total expenditures which
individuals may make for consumption goods, using
income as a guide as in progressive surtax brackets.

This would not be a substitute for all
rationing of goods, but it would eliminate
the need for the specific rationing of many
commodities. Administrative problems make
this a matter for continued study rather
than for immediate action.

Things That Should NOT Be Done

(1) A general retail sales tax should be

strongly opposed.

The lower income groups are already

disproportionately taxed. The sales tax would

upset price ceilings and immensely increase

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the burden of tax administration. Unless
active steps are taken, a general sales tax

will be substituted in the current tax bill
for part of the income taxes now proposed.
(2) Income tax exemptions should NOT be
lowered.

Personal exemptions have been lowered

twice in the last two years and the increase
in the cost of living is in effect lowering
them further month by month. Certainly the
already heavy taxes on the low-income group
should not be further increased until the
various loopholes amounting to about 81 billion
in revenue are closed by the Congress.

(3) NO form of compulsory saving should be
enacted or proposed at this time.

It would probably destroy completely
the voluntary savings plan now under way,

at least so far as the lower income groups

are concerned. It might well result in
forcing immediate redemption of a very large
proportion of the 38 billions worth of United

States savings and defense bonds now outstand-

ing.

(4) Proposal to freeze wages should be strongly

resisted.

It would have a disastrous effect on
morale, would be grossly unfair, and would
be discriminatory against wage employees. It
is unnecessary if other steps are taken to

stabilize the cost of living.

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A PROGRAM TO CONTROL THE COST OF LIVING

(Discussion of outline)
Few effective steps have yet been taken to

deal with the rising cost of living. Tax increases
at the rate of approximately five billions a year
have been imposed but prior to March 1942 were only
partially reflected in funds available for consumer

expenditure. Some price ceilings have been imposed
but their number and importance have not been such

as to affect the cost of living substantially. Con,
sumer rationing is not yet in effect. Action to
control credit has not yet been fully developed from
the standpoint of inflation control. The prospect

of shortages and higher prices probably had done more

to stimulate price increases than has been done to
counteract them.

I. Things that should be done now.

1. Price ceilings
Most of the things that should be done now are
for the purpose of reducing consumer demand. Along

with all of these it is important that the cost of
living be stabilized by fixing price ceilings at
current price levels for all goods and services. In
the absence of general price ceilings the price situation will become very confused. Profiteers will take
advantage of temporary shortages and "runs" on goods

for which shortages and higher prices are anticipated
will be stimulated.

It is too much to expect that prices can be

rigidly frozen with no flexibility whatever. There

are maladjustments among prices which must be corrected.

Furthermore, some prices must be allowed to rise if
goods are to be produced at all, unless extensive subsidization of producers is to be provided.
However, if appropriate measures are taken to
reduce consumer demand it should be possible to set

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price ceilings in such a manner that the cost of
living will not rise more than perhaps 5 percent a
year. Experience has shown that price control can
be effective. The Office of Price Administration's
analyses of the Bureau of Labor Statistics' wholesale price index shows almost complete absence of
rise of formally controlled prices between March
and December, 1941, whereas uncontrolled prices

have risen from 100 to 117 percent.
2. Treasury tax program

The Treasury program now before Congress proposes

tax increases to produce annual revenue in excess of

7 billion dollars. It is a balanced program based
upon ability to pay and includes drastic increases in
individual income tax rates, in corporate taxes, estate
and gift taxes, and in excise taxes on luxuries and
scarcity goods. This program when enacted should have
a substantial effect in restricting consumer demand

and thus controlling the cost of living. It will not

have any substantial effect until it is enacted, since
discussion in Congress rooms over a wide field and
leaves the greatest uncertainty as to the character
of the program which will be written into law.
Any substantial changes in this program proposed
by the Administration would further greatly confuse the
situation, delay enactment, and on these accounts

materially increase during the interval inflationary
tendencies. There is little or no prospect of increasing the tax yield beyond the amount asked for

in the Treasury program. The prospect is rather that
result in a tax bill with lowered exemptions and a

any demand for a change in the program now would only

sales tax at the expense of the proposed corporate
and individual surtaxes.

3. Social Security program
The enlargement of social security benefits,
coupled with an increase in social security taxes
in the amount of approximately 2 billion dollars,

would have a decided effect in reducing consumer

demand, particularly in the lower income levels,

w1 thout having adverse effects to be expected from

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other devices for dipping into incomes that are
close to the subsistence level. Congressional
consideration and passage of the program should

be pushed aggressively.

4. Voluntary war savings

The possibilities of additional voluntary say-

ings for the purpose of restricting consumer demand
through the sale of war savinge bonds have not been
by any means fully exploited. An effective organization has been built and the experience of December
and January indicates clearly that by pursuing payroll allotment and quota methods sales can be in-

creased to a level of approximately one billion
dollars a month, or an increase at the rate of
approximately five billion dollars a year, which

will have a very decided effect upon consumer purchasing power and should be a material factor in

improving the price situation.

5. Credit restrictions
There are now outstanding some 9 billion
dollars of consumer credit. Much can be done to

cut down this source of consumer buying by extend-

ing controls already authorized by law. Install-

ment selling of consumer's goods, book credit,
loans for consumption purposes -- all of which
have the effect of increasing the demand for goods

and thus contributing to a rise in the cost of
living -- can be drastically ourtailed. Bankers

of thennation have shown great willingness to
cooperate with the Government and it is believed

they will be willing to enlist in an effort to

impose credit controls that would help bring about
the desired contraction of consumer credit.

6. Rationing of goods
We have hardly begun to feel the impact of
shortages in consumer goods. This impact has been

delayed by the availability of large inventories

and the fact that war production has not yet by
any means reached its full peak. Rationing of goods

on a broad scale is clearly inevitable if there is

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to be anything like a fair distribution of the

supply of consumer goods that is to be available
as the war demand intensifies and existing stocks

are depleted. Rationing is equitable. It imposes
the sacrifices of war on poor and rich alike. Taxes

and other fiscal measures used without rationing
leave the rich free to consume as they please while
the poor bear the burden of the shortages.
The rationing program must move rapidly. The

difficulties are admittedly great, but the job must
be faced. In establishing the machinery for rationing it is probable that time could be saved and
duplication avoided by the extensive use of exist-

ing agencies of the Government. These could be
supplemented by the such wider use of voluntary

effort now frequently employed on enterprises that
are mere outlets for patriotic energy but contribute

very little to the war effort.
7. Total expenditure limitation or rationing

It should be possible very greatly to simplify
the problem of rationing by an over-all plan of
limiting or rationing total expenditure by individuals.
This could almost certainly be applied to the total
amount of money spent on commodities that are necessities of life and possibly to the money spent on

all goods and services for which shortages are anticipated. Expenditure rationing would have the double
effect of conserving supply and diverting funds, which
would otherwise go into consumer expenditure, to investment in Government securities. Administrative
problems make this a matter for continued study
rather than for immediate action.

II. Things that should not be done now.
1. No general sales tax
The proposal to obtain a substantial or even
a jor proportion of additional Federal revenue from
a general retail sales tax is a proposal to increase
the tax burden on the poor and hold down the burden
on the well-to-do. The lower income groups are

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Federal excise taxes and more especially through

state and local taxes that violate the principle
of ability to pay.
The general retail sales tax has other disadvantages and dangers. It would upset price

ceilings and reduce well based demands for wage

increases. Its apparent simplicity is deceptive
for the burden of administration and collection
would be immense. It would introduce a form of
tax into our tax structure that would be likely
to nullify many years of effort to accomplish
an equitable distribution of the tax burden.
Unless active steps are taken, a general sales
tax will be passed as part of the current tax bill,
and the revenue anticipated from it used as an excuse for lowering the proposed tax rates on corporations and individuals.
2. No lowering of personal exemptions
The personal exemptions of the income tax should
not be lowered at this time. They have been lowered

twice in the last two years and the increase in the

cost of living is in effect lowering them further

month by month. Certainly the already heavy taxes
on the low-income group should not be further increased until the various loopholes amounting to

about one billion dollars in revenue are closed by
the Congress.

3. No compulsory saving
The introduction of any scheme of compulsory
saving at this time would probably destroy completely
the voluntary saving plan now under way, at least

so far as it affects the lower income groups. The
voluntary plan has not been given a sufficiently
thorough trial to justify its abandonment. As
previously indicated, it is being rapidly developed
and expanded.

There are at present outstanding United States
savings and defense bonds having a total redemption

value in excess of eight billions of dollars. A

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of forcing immediate redemption of a very large
proportion of these outstanding securities and to
the extent that any such redemption occurred it
would nullify the effect of compulsory saving and
other efforts to restrict consumer expenditure.
Any compulsory savings plan, to be effective,
must accordingly be on a very large scale. Such
plan should not be adopted unless and until the
a

voluntary system, combined with other measures, has

proven inadequate.

4. No wage freezing

Besides being grossly inequitable, any attempt
by statute to freeze vages at existing levels would
certainly have a disastrous effect on public morale.
Labor organizations have led a long and fairly successful fight against the treatment of human labor
and personal service as a commodity. A proposal
to freeze wages regards labor as a commodity and
proposes to discriminate against wage employees by

placing an arbitrary ceiling on their income and
by failing to place similar ceilings on incomes

derived from other forms of personal services, as

incomes from professions, incomes from trade and the

higher levels of personal service incomes from
industry.

Wage freezing 16 an impractical proposal. It
would probably not achieve its objectives since a
multitude of exceptions would have to be made for
special situations. Wage ceilings would have to
be adjusted to make additional allowances for
those who are now underpaid, to take care of changes
in the cost of living, to meet urgent demands of
war production industries, and to prevent an undue
amount of labor shifting from occupation to occupation.

Furthermore, if the cost of living is stabilized

the principal pressure for wage increases will have
been removed. The mood of labor to improve its
position, which was apparent in the early stages of

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has given up the right to strike. National machinery
has been established to control wages. There seems

to be no need for setting a ceiling on wages as a

method of stabilizing the cost of living.

The sound objectives of wage freezing can be
attained by improving existing machinery for wage

adjustments and through efforts to accomplish a better
on the part of Federal and local agencies already set
up for this purpose. Wage demands up to the present

distribution of labor supply through increased activity
moment have not been excessive nor has labor been

unduly favored in the increased industrial activity
caused by the war program. Labor organizations have
gone to great lengths to cooperate in the war effort.
In this situation there seems nothing to warrant a
proposal of extremely doubtful value at best which
could not be interpreted otherwise than as a slap
in the face of labor.

CONFIDENTIAL
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Comparative Statement of Sales During
First Two Business Days of April, March and February 1942

(April 1-2, March 1-3, February 1-3)
On Basis of Issue Price

(Amounts in thousands of dollars)

:

Series E - Total

:

18,780

:

Series F - Banks
Series G - Banks
Total

:

Series E - Banks

Series E - Post Offices

over

: February

:

:

$ 8,786

over
March

:

$ 5,476

: February

:

March

over
March

:

April

:

Item

or Decrease (-)
March
April

Percentage of Increase
or Decrease (-)
March
April
:

Amount of Increase

Sales

over

: February

-$ 3,310

- 26.8%

- 5,547

-$ 3,220
- 17,710

- 37.7%

24,327

$12,006
42,037

24,256
4,499
17,178

33,112
3,672
17,506

54,044
8,984
39,313

- 8,856

- 20,932

- 26.7

328

- 21,807

- 1.9

- 38.7
- 59.1
- 55.5

$45,933

$54,290

$102,341

-$ 8,357

-$48,051

- 15.4%

- 47.0%

827
-

- 5,312

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

- 22.8
22.5

- 42.1

April 3, 1942.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds
of sales of United States savings bonds.
Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

CONFIDENT

UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Daily Sales - April, 1942
On Basis of Issue Price
(In thousands of dollars)
Post Office
Date

All Bond Sales

Bank Bond Sales

Bond Sales

Series E

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

$ 2,476

$ 10,517

$ 2,380

$ 9,608

$ 22,504

$ 12,993

$ 2,380

$ 9,608

$ 24,980

2,999

8,264

2,119

7,570

17,953

11,263

2,119

7,570

20,953

$ 5,476

$ 18,780

$ 4,499

$ 17,178

$ 40,457

$ 24,256

$ 4,499

$ 17,178

$ 45,933

April 1942
1

2

Total

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.
All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of
sales of United States savings bonds.
Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

Source:

April 3, 1942.

S
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Comparative Statement of Sales During
First Three Business Days of April, March and February 1942
(April 1-3, March 1-4, February 1-4)
On Basis of Issue Price

(Amounts in thousands of dollars)

:

:

:

Series E - Banks

Series E - Total

Series F - Banks
Series G - Banks
Total

$ 8,697

$ 12,180

$ 16,899

26,353

33,160

58,575

- 6,807

35,050
5,684
23,413

45,340
6,329
30,064

75,474
12,921
57,828

- 10,290

$ 64,147

$ 81,733

$146,223

-$17,586

:

Series E - Post Offices

over

: February
-$ 4,719

-$ 3,483

-

645

- 6,651

over

March

February

- 28.6%

- 27.9%

- 25,415

- 20.5

- 43.4

- 6,592

- 30,134
- 27.764

- 22.7
- 10.2
- 22.1

- 39.9
- 51.0
- 48.0

-$64,490

- 21.5%

- 44.1%

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

April 4, 1942.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds
of sales of United States savings bonds.
Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

,

March
over

:

:

February

April

:

over
March

:

March

:

April

Percentage of Increase
or Decrease (-)
:

:

:

Item

:

:

or Decrease (-)
March
April

:

Amount of Increase

:

Sales

UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Daily Sales - April, 1942
On Basis of Issue Price
(In thousands of dollars)
Post Office
Date

All Bond Sales

Bank Bond Sales

Bond Sales

Series E

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

$ 2,476

$ 10,517

$ 2,380

$ 9,608

$ 22,504

$ 12,993

$ 2,380

$ 9,608

$ 24,980

2,999
3,222

8,264
7,572

2,119
1,185

7,570
6,235

17,953
14,992

11,263
10,794

2,119
1,185

7,570
6,235

20,953
18,214

$ 8,697

$ 26,353

$ 5,684

$ 23,413

$ 55,449

$ 35,050

$ 5,684

$ 23,413

$ 64,147

April 1942
1

2

3

Total

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.
Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of
sales of United States savings bonds.
Note:
Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

April 4, 1942.

Mrs Klat
4/3/42

MEMORANDUM TO MR. GASTON,

FROM MR. H. s. WOLLHER.

The attached is a brief description of the New York Laboratory
of the Daroan of Oustens, the character of the technical and scien.

tifie work which falls within its scope, its equipment, and a word
about its staff.

In view of the sise of the organization is is, of course, inpossible to treat this matter in great detail from a scientific or
technical point of view. Should any further and more specific inquiry
arise I would, of course, be happy to amplify any indicated aspect
of the set-up.

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NEW YORK LABORATORY . BURRAN OF CUSTOMS

This laboratory is located ea the 12th floor, 202 Variek Street,
which is the appraiser's stores building, and is directly above the
Houston Street Station of the Seventh Avenue line of the I. R. T.

In a general my, its functions may be divided into four parts.

First is the testing of all importations where such testing will
enable a more compotent administration of the tariff and other asts.
This necessitates laboratory emmination of seme two thousand OF

more different types of commodities, saw materials, manufactured

products, etc., including the following:
Segare

Halanase

Fish
Feed Products

Play Oils and Fats, etc.
Assential Oils
Alecholic Protnets
Petroleum, etc.
Goal Tar Dyes and Lakes

Grate Goal Tar Products

Ores, Metals, Alleys, etc.
Manufactured and Inorganic Chemicals

Textile Manufactures and Raw Materials

Gase and Besins, natural and synthetic
Opian and other marketine

Itc., Etc.

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These missellaneous items are usually examined to determine

first, whether a certain constituent mentioned is the Act is
present and, If no, to what extent. This may require very isvolved and delicately centrolled teahniques is many eases. The

tests themselves are, of course, frequently simple chemical lab.
oratory tests involving the usual chemical equipment found in all
laboratories. Some of those tests, however, require specialized
equipment, specialised microscopes for textile work, highly seen-

rate polariscopes for testing sugar, electrical equipment for
determination of molting points of organic materials, dyeing equipment, weaving equipment, electrolytic equipment, etc., etc.

The second function of the laboratory relates to law enforce
ment investigations. In this field, the chemists are called upon
to employ their knowledge and experience in specialised techniques
to assist the Oustome Agency Service in saraveling or making more
comprehensible same otherwise warelated pleas of evidence. This

activity is pursued in the best tradition of the Serino laboratory*.
There is, of course, a great difference between the usual Layman's

concept of the work of a arine laboratory and the actual carrying

out of this function. Nest of the tests in connection with isves.
tigations are of a relative simple matters sometimes, however, they
are unique. X-say equipment is available in New York for specialized

investigations that require this tool. A photographic dark seem,
of course, is available.

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The third function of the laboratory is to conduct such seim
tifie and technical research as may be accessary for a future ampli-

fication of its own facilities in investigations or as may be necessary
for a better understanding of certain wakneva factors related to the

administration of the tariff act. IS was in the New York Laboratory,
therefore, that the fundamental work was done upon which the eventual
veel testing technique used in Desten was developed.

the fourth function is to FUN such analyses and tests as the
laboratory may from time to time be called upon to do by other
Treasury bureaus OF government agencies.

This activity obviously requires a large staff of specialists
and aides which is headed by Mr. Louis 3. Noterley as Chief Chemist.

Mr. MoSorley is as industrial and laboratory chemist of years of

experience with a vide range of knowledge in this field. He is
aided by competent supervising subordinate chemists, among when is

a Miss Bella Kahm, specialist in sugar testing. The total staff
consists of forty employees of whom twenty-eight are technically
trained, the balance being office help, mechanies, Laborers, and
messengers.

As is to be expected when considering the variety of work
that the New York Customer Laboratory is called upon to do, the

specialists themselves vary in their baskground from - with a
wealth of practical experience to man of profound theoretical knowl.

edge. This provides for flexibility in attacking new and difficult

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4

:

problems. To further segment its activities, which are probably
more extensive is kind than in any other government laboratory

with the possible exception of the Deposit of Standards, the lab
eratory maistains a relatively large 11brasy of books and further

-

rounds out its source of information by industrial and scientific
contacts both in and outside government circles.

I

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE APR 3-1942
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Foley

In accordance with existing instructions, there is
submitted herewith a summary report of studies and projects

carried on by the Legal Staff for the month of February 1942.

S.Noth
Attachment

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SUMMARY REPORT ON STUDIES AND PROJECTS IN
THE OFFICE OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL
FEBRUARY, 1942.

The following matters received attention in the Office
of the Chief Counsel for the Bureau of Internal Revenue:

1. Amortization of Emergency Plant Facilities: Of
importance in connection with the amortization of

emergency plant facilities is the repeal of section
124 (i) of the Internal Revenue Code by Public Law 436,

approved February 6, 1942. The repeal of this section
relieves taxpayers having emergency facilities from the
necessity of obtaining certificates of Government protection or nonreimbursement in order to protect their

rights to amortization of deductions. Such repeal is
retroactive to October 8, 1940, the date of the original
enactment of section 124. A Treasury decision amending

Regulations 103 to conform with this change in the law
was drafted and has been issued. (T. D. 5119).

2. Use of Seals on Mail to Raise Revenue: A legislative suggestion has been received from Mrs. Arthur Schouw

to the effect that to increase the revenue needed for the
prosecution of the war, the Government should sell Victory

Seals, to be used on letters and parcels, the same as

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-2tuberculosis seals at Christmas time. The matter is
being given consideration.

The following work was done under the supervision of
Assistant General Counsel Cairns:

3. Requisition by Army of Foreign-Trade Zone: On
February 23, 1942, a meeting of the Foreign-Trade Zones
Board was held, and was attended by Commissioner Johnson

and Mr. Chambers on behalf of the Treasury Department.

The War Department, which has recently obtained a court

order to take over the zone at Staten Island, New York,
opposed the suggestion that one or more of the piers in
the zone be allowed to operate zone activities, on the

ground that all of the piers, and additional shipping
space as well, will be needed for war purposes. However,
there was agreement on the suggestion offered by Mayor

LaGuardia that the foreign-trade zone grant should not be

cancelled by the Board; that a zone office should be con-

tinued in the present zone territory; and that the City
of New York and the interested Government agencies will

cooperate in efforts to establish new zone territory in
other parts of New York City and to transfer most of the
present zone activities and merchandise to such territory.
S

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4. Entry of Relief Articles Free of Duty:
(a) At the request of the Bureau of the Budget, the
Chief Counsel's Office, Bureau of Customs, reviewed a
proposed Presidential proclamation, prepared by the

Secretary of the Interior, which, if issued, will
authorize the importation free of duty, under section

318 of the tariff act, of jerked beef for distribution
in Puerto Rico, where the natives are reported to need

a cheap substitute food for the supply of cod fish
which has been cut off by the war. A reply was prepared
stating that the Department has no objection to the
proposed action.

(b) In reply to a letter from the Red Cross regarding

entry free of duty, under section 318 of the tariff act,
for relief supplies for the Red Cross, a letter was prepared agreeing to assist that organization in the neces-

sary procedural steps if it decides to request a
Presidential proclamation. Free entry has not yet been
authorized for either the jerked beef or the Red Cross
supplies.

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-45. Diamonds of A. van Moppes: On February 16, an
informal appraisal was made at the Georgetown customhouse of a number of diamonds owned by A. van Moppes,

contained in a package addressed to the Netherlands

Legation. The package was opened by an official of the
Netherlands Legation. Certain diplomatic correspondence
also contained in the package was .turned over to the
Legation, but the diamonds were held in customs' custody

with the consent of the Legation, which disclaimed any

interest therein. The foreign value of the diamonds was
found to be $50,568.20. Arrangements for the appraisal
were made by this office at the request of Foreign Funds
Control, which has been considering issuing a license so
that the diamonds may be exported to van Moppes in
South America.

6. Regulations Prescribing Standards and Conditions of

Bonds of Certifying Officers: An opinion addressed to
Mr. Bartelt, which was written by Mr. Feidler, and signed
on February 5, 1942, considers four specific questions in
connection with proposed regulations governing the bonds

of certifying officers required by section 22 of the Act

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-5of December 29, 1941. The opinion concludes that

(1) the Secretary of the Treasury may not fix the
minimum and maximum amounts of certifying officers'

bonds; (2) a separate bond is required under the
statute rather than an amendment to an existing bond;

(3) the head of a department, who certifies vouchers,
is not required to be bonded; (4) the "conditions"
which the Secretary may prescribe are only the conditions of the bond.

7. Practice of Tax Law by a Former Officer of the
Treasury within Two Years of the Termination of his
Employment: An opinion addressed to Mr. Paul, Assistant

to the Secretary, which was written by Mr. Gilmore with
the assistance of Mr. W. T. Plumb of the Bureau of
Internal Revenue, and signed on February 10, 1942, con-

cludes that section 190 of the Revised Statutes (U.S.C.,

title 5, sec. 99) forbids a former officer or employee,
within two years of the termination of his employment,

to aid in the prosecution of any claim pending in the
Department while he was employed either (a) before the

Department (b) in the Court of Claims (c) in the District

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-6Court sitting as a court of claims (d) by suit against
the collector; and that the word "claim" in the
statute does not include resistance to the assessment

or collection of taxes. The opinion also considers
when a claim is "pending" and what constitutes acting
as "counsel, attorney, or agent" within the meaning of
the statute.

8. Availability of Bureau of Internal Revenue Appropriation to Pay for Production and Distribution of Motion
Picture Film Prepared by Mr. Walt Disney entitled "The

New Spirit", An opinion addressed to the Secretary,
which was written by Mr. Feidler and Mr. DuBois, and signed
on February 11, 1942, concludes that there is ample

authority to use funds appropriated for the Bureau of
Internal Revenue to pay for such motion picture film.

9. Availability of Funds for Series of Films for Defense
Bond Campaign, to be Prepared by Walt Disney Productions,

Inc.: An opinion addressed to Mr. Thompson, which was

written by Mr. Feidler, and signed on February 12, 1942,

advises that it is doubtful that funds which may be
appropriated in First Deficiency Appropriation Act, 1942

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-7for expenses of loans may be used for production of
the films.
10. Payment to Short Line Railroads of Awards Made by
the Interstate Commerce Commission: An opinion addressed

to Mr. Bartelt, which was written by Mr. DuBois and Mr.
Feidler, and signed on February 25, 1942, concludes that
warrants should be drawn in favor of and payment made

to the carriers named in the certificates of the Interstate Commerce Commission, unless the Secretary is

restrained by court order or has notice that title to
payment is in dispute, in which case the Secretary should
withhold payment pending determination by the court.

Cases involving bankruptcy, conservation or reorganization
proceedings should be referred to the General Counsel.

It is not necessary to refer the question of propriety of
payment to the Comptroller General.

11. Application of the District of Columbia Income Tax
to Officers and Employees of the Treasury Department:
This memorandum, dated February 25, 1942, which was pre-

pared by Mr. Gilmore with the assistance of Mr. Plumb of

the Bureau of Internal Revenue, is intended for the use
of all officers and employees of the Department and analyses

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-8and summarizes the factors which the Supreme Court

in District of Columbia V. Murphy (Dec. 15, 1941)

62 Sup. Ct. 303, considered relevant in determining lia-

bility to the tax.
12. Payment of Mint Employees for Overtime and Night
Work: An opinion addressed to Mr. Thompson, which was

written by Messrs. Feidler, Meyer and Gilmore, and
signed on February 27, 1942, concludes that time and

one-half for overtime and a night differential may be
paid to the field employees in the various mints if

appropriations are available and if it is administratively
determined by the superintendent of the particular mint

with the approval of the Director of the Bureau of the
Mint that such overtime and differential pay is customary
and reasonable for such occupation.

13. Photographs of Defense Savings Stamps: An opinion
addressed to Chief Wilson, which was written by Mr. Meyer

and Mr. Ranta of the Legislative Section, and signed on

February 28, 1942, concludes that it is a violation of
section 150 of the Criminal Code (U.S.C., title 18, sec.
264) to photograph defense savings stamps without authority
from the Secretary of the Treasury.

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-9The following work was done under the supervision of
Assistant General Counsel Bernard:

14. Public Debt Act of 1942 (for description see
January, 1942 report, Item 29): The Public Debt Act
of 1942, which was drafted by Messrs. Bernard and Ahroon,
was introduced by Mr. Doughton on February 27, 1942.

The bill is designed (1) to increase the public debt limit;
(2) to give the Treasury greater and more flexible con-

trol over Treasury bonds, bills, notes, and certificates
of indebtedness as media of financing; (3) to give the

Treasury the authority to receive any obligations of the
United States, redeemable upon demand of the owner or

holder, in payment of any taxes imposed by the United

States; (4) to authorize the exchange of obligations of
the United States for obligations of any agency or instrumentality which are unconditionally guaranteed both as to

principal and interest by the United States; (5) to
clarify the authority of the Treasury to purchase outstanding obligations of the United States; (6) to terminate
the issuance of postal-savings stamps when defense stamps

are issued by the Treasury; and (7) to subject all shares

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- 10 and other evidences of ownership issued in the future

by any agency or instrumentality of the United States

to Federal taxation by removing all privileges of
exemption from such taxation which they now enjoy.

15. New Five-Cent Coin and Conditional Gift Legisla-

tion (for description see January, 1942 report, item 31):
Mr. Spingarn and Mr. Rupert continued their work on this

bill, the Second War Powers bill, which contains two

Treasury-sponsored titles, the conditional gift legis-

lation as Title XII and the silver-nickel coin legislation as Title XIII. They attended sessions of the House
Judiciary Committee on approximately five days. Mr.
Spingarn testified before that committee, and prepared
those portions of the committee report which concern the

provisions of the bill sponsored by the Treasury. The
bill, S. 2208, was reported in the House on February 9,
1942. A number of memoranda were prepared by Mr. Spingarn

and Mr. Rupert and furnished to Representative McLaughlin
who handled the bill in the House. The memoranda con-

tained factual and background material on the two Treasurysponsored titles.

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- 11 16. Third War Powers Bill: Mr. Spingarn attended a
meeting of the War Legislation Committee at the Depart-

ment of Justice. The purpose of the meeting was to
discuss the submission of a Third War Powers Bill to
Congress as soon as the Second War Powers Bill, now

pending in Congress, has been disposed of. The mimeo-

graphed draft circulated at the meeting contained

fifteen titles, each incorporating separate legislative
proposals to be considered for possible inclusion in

the Third War Powers Bill. Many of the titles in the
draft are of interest to the Treasury.
17. Proposed Legislation to Regulate Production of
Opium Poppies (for description see April, 1941 report,
Item 17): Mr. Spingarn recommended for inclusion in the
Third War Powers Bill, which is now being considered by
the War Legislation Committee, the Bureau of Narcotics'
proposed legislation (which has now been cleared with

the Bureau of the Budget) to authorize the production of
opium poppies in the United States for legitimate purposes under strict governmental supervision and control.
The war nature of this proposal was emphasized in view

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of the cutting off of our supply of opium previously
obtained from the Balkans and the consequent necessity

of producing it in this country if we are going to have
an adequate supply of narcotic drugs. This proposal
seemed to be well received by the Committee. Oscar Cox

and Judge Townsend were given a draft of the bill and

our proposed letter of transmittal in explanation thereof. Miss McDuff worked on this.

18. Federal Tort Claims Bill (for description see
January, 1942 report, Item 28). The Legislative Section
completed a canvass of the various branches of the

Department with respect to their views on the pending

Federal Tort Claims Legislation. After consideration of
the various memoranda which we received, it was decided
that while there were many comments and suggestions which
could be made to the Congressional committees handling

the bill, it would be best for us to keep hands-off and
informally advise the committees that we had no comments

to make but favored the legislation in principle. Everyone agrees that it is constructive legislation and the

whole history of this type of legislation is that it has

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- 13 always failed of enactment because no one could agree

on the details. After clearing this decision with
Mr. Foley, this office informally so advised the
Judiciary Committees of both Houses. Messrs. Spingarn
and Cross handled this matter.

19. Un-American Activities Committee (for description
see August, 1941 report, Item 16): Mr. Spingarn attended
a further conference on the proposed executive order to
establish a general Government committee to consider
charges of Un-American activities against Government
personnel. Some additional minor changes were made in

the proposed order. It is anticipated that the matter
will be discussed at Cabinet meeting in the near future.
On February 2 a memorandum, signed by Mr. Foley, was sent

to the Secretary to familiarize him with the proposal
and its background so that he would be prepared to discuss
it at Cabinet meeting.

A number of matters relating to the work of this
committee were handled by Mr. Spingarn, including the
preparation of a lengthy memorandum to Mr. T. F. Wilson
and Mr. Pehle about a case which had been referred to the

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- 14 Treasury Committee on Un-American Activities involv-

ing an employee of the Foreign Funds Control Division,

and an extensive investigation of the case of William
Wheeler Hinckley, who has been given a three-months'

appointment by the Defense Savings Staff, subject to
favorable investigation.

20. Board of Legal Examiners (for description see

July, 1941 report, Item 15): Mr. Bernard, as a representative for Mr. Foley, attended a meeting of the Board
of Legal Examiners on February 13, 1942, and is continuing
his work on that Board.
21. Law Committee of Defense Communications Board (for

description see November, 1940 report, Item 23): Mr.
Spingarn (who is the Treasury representative on the Law

Committee of the Board) is continuing his work on this
Committee.

22. Economy Committee Material (for description see
November, 1941 report, Item 29): There is being prepared

for the use of the Secretary of the Treasury in his work
as a member of the Joint Committee on Reduction of Non-

Essential Federal Expenditures, established by section 601

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of the Revenue Act of 1941, a fourth report on
legislation pending in Congress. A memorandum for

the Secretary on S. 1481 proposing annuities for
workmen on the construction of the Panama Canal was

prepared by Mr. Cross for Mr. Foley's signature.
23. State Cooperation with Federal Agencies in Defense
Efforts (for description see November, 1941 report,
Item 30): Last month Messrs. Spingarn and Cross prepared

a draft of a bill for state enactment which Under
Secretary Bell sent to the Department of Justice for
it to turn over to the Council of State Governments.

The purpose of the bill is to facilitate the sale of
Defense bonds by authorizing institutions and individuals
to act as issuing agents for them when designated for

that purpose by the United States Treasury. Recently the
Office of Government Reports, which has state directors

in each of the states, who have excellent legislative

contacts in those states, indicated to this office its
willingness to help in securing enactment of this legislation, and the Department of Justice wrote us to suggest

that we avail ourselves of this offer of help. Thus,

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this office had prepared letters for Under Secretary
Bell's signature, which were sent to the Department

of Justice and the Office of Government Reports, stat-

ing that we were glad to have the help of the latter

office. Largely due to the efforts of that office, the
bill has already become law in Rhode Island and will
probably become law in several other states in the
near future.

24. Equalizing Privileges of Government Obligations
(for description see September, 1941 report, Item 14):
Copies of this proposed bill and an explanatory
memorandum on this matter, which were prepared by Messrs.

Spingarn and Cross, were forwarded last month for the
consideration and comments of Messrs. D. W. Bell,

J. J. O'Connell, W. Heffelfinger, George Barse, T.W.
Cunningham, and Walter Wyatt of the Federal Reserve

System. Thus far, no comments have been received.

The following work was done under the supervision of
Assistant General Counsel Bernstein:

25. Reorganization: On February 12, 1942, the legal
work connected with Foreign Funds Control was functionally

reorganized and redistributed. There are now six

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- 17 divisions: Division A, headed by Mr. Luxford, handles
drafting of documents, securities and censorship
problems, etc; Division B, headed by Mr. DuBois, deals
with Proclaimed List and other trading problems;

Division C, headed by Mr. Aarons, handles interpretative matters, compliance problems, patents, insurance,

trusts, etc.; Division D, headed by Mr. Sherbondy, deals
with ad hoc blocking and business enterprise problems;
Division E, of which Mr. W. H. Reeves is the head, handles

TFR-300 reports and litigation problems; and Division F,

of which Mr. Lawler is the acting head, deals with vesting
and liquidation problems.

26. Control of Axis Business Enterprise (for description
see January, 1942 report, Item 36):
Vesting of Property

(a) General Aniline and Film Corporation: The documents necessary to vest in the Secretary of the Treasury
97% of the outstanding shares of General Aniline and Film
Corporation were prepared. Messrs. Lawler, DuBois, and

Kehl worked on this matter. Prior to this, numerous
studies were necessary with regard to administrative

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- 18 experience in the last war and the case law and

statutes arising out of that experience. In addition
it was necessary to prepare a set of regulations governing the claims to comply with the due process requirements of the Constitution. Miss Goode, Miss Klein and
Messrs. DuBois, Lawler, Kehl, Golding, and Brenner
worked on this.

Mr. Lawler participated with Messrs. Foley and

O'Connell in drafting a letter expressing the Department's policy in handling the General Aniline and Film
Corporation. He also assisted Mr. O'Connell and

Mr. Pehle in setting up a method for providing for receipt
of share certificates and accounting.
(b) Schering Corporation: Documents were prepared

for the contemplated vesting in the Secretary of the
Treasury of all the common stock, a portion of the

preferred stock, and all the outstanding stock of the
affiliates of Schering Corporation of New Jersey. Messrs.
Lawler, Sherbondy, DuBois and Clay handled this matter.

Attempts are now being made to find a satisfactory man
to head the Corporation.

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Investigation and Control:
(c) H. A. Brassert and Company Investigation:
A corps of twelve investigators has completed the field
work in the investigation of the records of this Company,
which is dominated by Herman Brassert who assisted

Goering in the recent construction of steel mills in
Germany. It is contemplated that an oral examination
of Herman Brassert will be made in the next few days,

after which a final report will be prepared. Messrs.
Sherbondy, Lesser, and Park worked on this project in

collaboration with investigators from Mr. May's unit and
from Internal Revenue.

(d) Luscombe Airplane Corporation: An investigation of this Corporation has been completed and report

submitted. Members of the staff are now working closely
with the Navy Department, War Department, Civil Aeronautics
Board, and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation on a

solution for the problem. It is contemplated that the
foreign owned stock of the Corporation will be vested and

certain undesirable foreign elements eliminated. The
Navy is prepared to make prompt use of facilities of the

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- 20 plant. Messrs. Sherbondy, Williamson, McMurray, and
Kahn handled this matter.

(e) Saint-Denis Kuhlmann Sait-Clair Dyestuff
Corporation: A study is almost completed of pertinent

information relative to this Corporation. It is contemplated that the final report will recommend liquidation of the concern, which is part of the French Kuhlmann
enterprises. The French Kuhlmann has recently entered

into a merger with I. G. Farbenindustrie in Germany.
Messrs. Sherbondy and Ackerman worked on this matter.

(f) Sterling Products, Inc.: Mr. Lawler had
several discussions with Mr. George S. Hill concerning

the report by Sterling Products, Inc. to the Departmental
Committee. A number of discussions took place with members

of the State Department concerning the transmission of a

circular wire to the Missions and concerning various
advices received from the Missions, and with representatives
of the Board of Economic Warefare concerning the various

changes which have taken place in the personnel of Sterling

Products, Inc. within the last five months.

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- 21 27. List of Persons Blocked "Ad Hoc": A complete
summary of all business enterprises and individuals

which have been blocked "ad hoc", with certain pertinent
related information, has been completed by Miss Hmiel,
Messrs. Sherbondy, Garlock, and Locker. A punch card

system has been arranged for the list, and it is expected

that the list will be kept up-to-date.
28. Liquidation Problems:
(a) General Authorization No. 89. Messrs. Aarons
and Lawler, members of the staff, assisted in preparing
a general authorization which will enable the Federal

Reserve Banks to facilitate the liquidating or continued
operation of German, Italian, and Japanese business enter-

prises which have been closed as a result of the detention

of their owners. Such liquidation or resumption of operations will proceed in accordance with a voluntary power

of attorney given by the owners and will not involve any
supervision by the Federal Reserve Banks. This procedure

applies to concerns having assets and liabilities under
$10,000.

(b) Japanese Banks in Seattle, Washington. The two
Japanese banks in Seattle to be liquidated are the Yokohama

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- 22 Specie Bank, Ltd., Seattle branch, and the Sumitomo Bank

of Seattle. On February 27, 1942, Preston Delano,
Comptroller of the Currency, was placed in charge of such

liquidations and was given full authority to exercise
the authority delegated to the Secretary of the Treasury
under the Trading with the Enemy Act in connection with

such liquidations. Messrs. Aarons and Lawler handled this
matter.

(c) Japanese Banks in Hawaii. Members of the staff

assisted in the perfection of plans for the liquidation
of the Pacific Bank, the Sumitomo Bank of Hawaii, and the

Yokohama Specie Bank, Ltd., all located in Honolulu. In
accordance with a cable to Governor Poindexter of Hawaii
from the Treasury Department stating that Preston Delano,

Comptroller of the Currency, has been instructed to supervise liquidation of these banks and that he had designated
Roger E. Brooks to act for him and to assume full respon-

sibility in the matter of liquidation of the banks, Governor
Poindexter, on February 28, 1942, appointed Roger E. Brooks

to act in this capacity. Messrs. Aarons and Lawler worked
on this matter.

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- 23 (d) Bank of Guam. Members of the staff have been

participating with the Administrative staff in devising
a technique to handle the partial liquidation of the Bank
of Guam. Complete liquidation of the enterprise is
impossible since the bank, a large part of the assets,
and an unknown number of the depositors have fallen into
the hands of the Japanese. The principal problem was the

sale of distressed merchandise and the honoring of out-

standing drafts. These matters are being taken care of at
the direction of the Treasury Department by the Wells Fargo
Bank of San Francisco, the Bank of Guam's American corre-

spondent. Messrs. Aarons and Lawler worked on this.

(e) Specific Applications for Liquidation. Messrs.
Lawler and Marks, members of the Legal staff, participated
in committee meetings with members of the Administrative

staff to take action on specific applications for liquidation of enterprises whose total assets or total liabilities
exceed $10,000.

29. Extension of Freezing Control: Freezing control was
automatically extended to British Malaya and to the
occupied portions of Burma and the Netherlands East Indies.

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These were effected by the issuance of Public Circular
No. 16 on February 18, 1942. Messrs. Luxford and Murphy
handled this matter.

30. "Scorched Earth" Program for Hawaii: This office

participated in the formulation of, and is drafting the
documents with respect to, a program to prevent Japan

from gaining access to securities and currency in the case

of an attack on Hawaii. Financial, Government and Military
authorities in Hawaii have requested protection for
securities and currency in Hawaii and extensive plans are
in the process of preparation. Miss Goode and Messrs.
Aarons, Luxford and Murphy are working on this matter.

31. Trading with the Enemy and Censorship (for description

see January, 1942 report, Item 40): The over-all problem
of the course of action which is to be followed under
freezing control with respect to transactions and communi-

cations involving enemy territory and enemy nationals is
continuing to be studied by Messrs. Luxford and DuBois of

this office. The work on a proposed general ruling is

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- 25 nearing completion and has been cleared through the
interested Government agencies and the banking com-

munity in New York. Issuance is being delayed in order

to permit the issuance of this general ruling at the
same time a proposed general license will be issued by

the Office of Censorship. This general license has been

drafted by this office and cleared with most of the
interested government agencies. It will permit the

synchronization of the restrictions of trading with the
enemy with those relating to communications with the enemy.

Further work is also being done in connection with
the formulation of a program for cooperation between
freezing control and censorship in order that each may

obtain the greatest benefit from the other. This office
is preparing a general order to be issued by the Office of
Censorship with respect to dealing with property found in

the mails. It is also working on an educational program,
pursuant to which representatives of this office and the
administrative staff will lecture to censorship men on the

subject of freezing control. A representative of this
office is at present attending censorship lectures in order
that he may be fully acquainted with the scope of the

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- 26 problem. Messrs. Luxford, Rains, Murphy and Naiden
are working on this program.

23. Problems Arising in Connection with the Attachment
of the "Clearance" Certificate (Form TFEL-2) to
Philippine Securities: Arrangements were made whereby
Form TFEL-2 would not be attached to securities held by

the Treasury Department or the Department of the Interior,

whether or not for their own accounts, unless securities

were actually to be sold or otherwise dealt in. General
Authorization No. 90 was drafted which deals with the
problem of stock certificates which have the clearance
certificate attached but which are exchanged by transfer

agent for new securities to a different registered owner.
Mr. Aarons handled this.
24. Proposed Moratorium on Funded Obligations of

Philippine Companies: This office is studying the desirability of a moratorium on the funded obligations of certain
Philippine corporations, such as the Manila Electric
Company and the Manila Gas Company. Certain Philippine

companies having substantial assets within the Philippines

are finding it difficult to meet interest payments on their
funded obligations. Failure to meet such payments may

result in losses to the stockholders and bondholders out

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of all proportion to actual losses resulting from the
invasion of the Philippines. Some of the companies
involved have requested the Treasury Department to pro-

vide relief in the form of a moratorium in order that
interest payments may be postponed until such time as it

is possible to evaluate more accurately the financial
condition of such companies. Messrs. Luxford, Cook, and
Golding are studying this problem.

25. Proposed Philippine Decree: The office has given

some consideration to the possibility of either the
Philippine Government or this Government issuing a decree,

voiding the transfer of Philippine assets to Japanese
invaders. A decree of this character would attempt to
interfere with Japanese economic penetration along the

lines being followed by Germany with respect to occupied
portions of Europe. Messrs. Luxford and Golding are

considering this matter.
26. Patent Program: A study was made in connection with
the formulation of a program to be followed in the handl- ing of patent applications and payments within enemy

territory. A study of the problems of compulsory licensing

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- 28 of enemy-owned patents was also made. Messrs. Aarons,

Kehl, Merriam, Luxford, and Murphy made this study.
Messrs. Lawler and Sherbondy discussed with repre-

sentatives of the Department of Justice the possible
action by the Treasury Department in connection with
patents owned by enemy aliens the use of which is

important to the war effort..
27. Workmen's Compensation Benefits: This office par-

ticipated in conferences relating to and the drafting
of instructions to all Workmen's Compensation Commissions
with respect to payment of Workmen's Compensation Benefits

to aliens subject to foreign funds control. This was done
in conjunction with the Labor Department which is issuing

the instructions. Mr. Luxford and Miss Klein handled this
matter.

28. Securities Matters: This office participated in the
preparation and issuance of Public Circular No. 14,
prohibiting the purchase for any blocked account of more

than 1 percent of the outstanding shares of any corporation
except pursuant to special Treasury license. This
restriction is intended to prevent blocked funds from being
employed in purchasing control of American corporations.

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- 29 At the same time a new report form, relating to the
purchase and sale of securities, was issued which will

permit the effective enforcement of this restriction.
Messrs. Luxford, Aarons and Golding handled this.

29. Repatriation Cases: Conferences were held with
members of the Administrative staff of Foreign Funds

Control, in the consideration and disposition of numerous
applications to pay dividends declared by French corpora-

tions prior to June 17, 1940, - one application to make a
capital withdrawal from a French subsidiary and an
American corporation and three applications on the part

of American enterprises to sell property located abroad

to citizens of neutral European countries. Mr. Lawler
attended these conferences.

30. Publicity and Educational Program (for description

see January, 1942 report, Item 42): As in the past, in
connection with the issuance of each major document,
explanatory press releases were issued. Such releases were

intended to explain to the public in simple language what
the purpose of each document was and its general provisions.

In addition, work has been done in connection with the

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issuance of press releases for the benefit of special
groups, including in particular the foreign language
newspapers of the United States. Messrs. Luxford and
Naiden handled this.

31. China Program: Conferences were held with A. M.
Fox of the China Stabilization Board, Messrs. Stopford
and Wade of the British Embassy, and representatives of

the administrative and research staffs of the Treasury
Department, concerning problems that have arisen under

the China Program as a result of developments in the Far
East. Such conferences provided us with a better background

of the situation in China and also assisted in the coordination of British-American policies in connection with the
China Program. Mr. Luxford handled this matter.
32. Reports on Neutral Country General Licenses: The

reporting requirements on the general licenses relating
to Spain, Portugal, Switzerland and Sweden were modified

by Public Circular No. 15. The new reporting requirement

fixes responsibility on a particular bank engaging in each
transaction over $5,000 to obtain complete details regarding the transaction and furnish such data to the Department

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- 31 on a report form especially designed to enable us to
get a better understanding of operations under such
general licenses. Messrs. Luxford, Murphy, and Golding
handled this matter.
33. General License No. 42: The new amendment to

General License No. 42 in effect licenses as generally

licensed nationals all persons residing in the United
States on February 23, 1942, except Japanese nationals,

persons who are acting on behalf of blocked countries,
and persons who are blocked by special instructions from
the Department.

34. Japanese Aliens: Discussions were held with representatives of the Department of Justice concerning the

effect upon Treasury regulations of the forced migration
of Japanese, German, and Italian aliens from the West

Coast. Mr. Lawler participated in these discussions.
Departmental discussions were held in connection with
an inquiry from Chairman Tolan of the House Committee

Investigating National Defense Migration and the problem
of liquidating property of evacuees from the West Coast
area. Messrs. Luxford, Aarons, DuBois and Lawler took

part in the discussions.

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Interpretations: Correspondence was handled

which involved questions of interpretation of Executive
Order No. 8389, as amended, especially questions of the

applicability of General Licenses Nos. 42 and 42A to
specific cases. Miss Hodel, Miss Klein and Miss Goode
handled this correspondence.

36. Trusts and Estates: Members of the staff in conjunction with members of the Administrative staff of Foreign
Funds Control made a study of the numerous outstanding

applications concerning the establishment and administra-

tion of trusts. A report on these cases has been made,

and it is expected that within a short time an over-all
policy for such cases will be adopted, and the pending

applications disposed of in conformity with such policy.
Miss Klein and Mr. Murphy made this study.

A study has been made of problems arising out of the

applicability of the freezing control to the administration
of decedents' estates. A report has been made, and the

desirability of formulating a new policy in connection
with such cases is now being considered. Miss Klein and
Mr. Aarons worked on this study.

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- 33 37. Gold Exports and Foreign Funds Control: In cooperation with the Bureau of the Mint, Miss Hodel and Mr.
Brenner, members of this office, have evolved a procedure

for the coordination of gold export licensing and the
Foreign Funds Control program.

38. Government Checks and Foreign Funds Control: In

cooperation with the Bureau of Accounts, instructions

were drafted for disbursing officers in the United States
with respect to the payment of Government checks to

blocked nationals in the United States and Canada. Miss
Hodel worked on this matter.

39. Census Reports (for description see January, 1942
report, Item 45): Public Circular No. 4B and Form TFR-300,

series K, for the reporting of property within the United
States of nationals of the Philippine Islands were prepared

and distributed. In addition, letters were sent to
various trade groups, including bankers, brokers, export
and import associations and insurance companies, which in

turn published and distributed bulletins to their organizations. Messrs. Reeves, Arnold and Hannett handled this
matter.

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- 34 Extensive correspondence with state officials with
regard to r eports to be filed by state agencies was
handled and numerous conferences were conducted with

agencies of the Federal Government in regard to the
reporting requirements. Messrs. Reeves, Arnold, and
Hannett also took care of these matters.

40. Article of First War Powers Act: A Law Review
article concerning the First War Powers Act was drafted
by Messrs. Reeves, Arnold, Hannett and Wolf.

41. Suits Involving Freezing Control Problems: A study
has been made and a proposed procedure outlined for a

program dealing with suits in which freezing control
problems are raised, especially those involving assignments and those begun by attachment of the property of

blocked nationals. In connection therewith, the procedure
and experiences under the Trading with the Enemy Act during
the last war was examined. Messrs. Reeves and Wolf made

this study.

42. Applications Relating to Attachments and Related
Problems: Mr. Fisher, a member of the staff, reviewed
applications involving attachments and related matters

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- 35 and made recommendations as to their dispositions.
This phase of the work included attending conferences

with attorneys who represent the applicants and handling
correspondence involving these problems.

43. Use of Records of Foreign Funds Control: Members

of the staff have worked on the formulation of a policy

regarding the use in litigation of records of this
Department. A special circular letter regarding the
handling of such records was prepared for Federal Reserve
Banks. Messrs. Reeves and Wolf worked on this matter.

44. Investigations: Reports of certain individuals,
particularly those of Kenji Iki were examined with a
view to prosecution for violation of the freezing control
and reporting requirements. Messrs. Reeves and Hannett

did this work.
Members of the staff have also been analyzing and

evaluating investigation reports of alleged violations
of the President's Proclamation of July 17, 1941 and Executive Order No. 8389, as amended. These reports are of
investigations conducted by Treasury agencies in this
country and by State Department Missions in the other
American Republics. These reports have produced evidence

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- 36 of shipments made to Proclaimed List nationals who
should have known that they were shipping goods to con-

signees who were either on the Proclaimed List or acting
as cloaks for Proclaimed List nationals. Such cases are

actively being considered. Many of the reports have

indicated that further investigations are necessary. In
view of the inadequacy of some of the reports, this
office has under consideration issuing more detailed

instructions to field investigators. Messrs. Fisher and
Mann handled this matter.

45. The Proclaimed List: During the month of February
a member of this office attended the meetings of the
Proclaimed List Nominating Committee. On February 7, 1942,

Revision I of The Proclaimed List of Certain Blocked
Nationals was published. This Revision makes available
in one pamphlet all the names appearing on the Proclaimed

List as of that date. It is contemplated that such
revisions will be published periodically as a convenience
to the public using the Proclaimed List.
On February 28, 1942, Supplement No. 1 to Revision I

of February 7, 1942, was issued. This Supplement contains

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- 37 additions and deletions of firms in the European neutrals
and Turkey, as well as in Latin America. Mr. Frampton
worked on this.

One of the important deletions appearing in this
Supplement is Banco Aleman Antioqueno in Colombia. That

bank is said to be the most important bank in Colombia.
The bank has been reorganized, the stock of Proclaimed

List nationals and of Germans residing in Axis occupied

or controlled countries is being held in trust by a government bank in Colombia, undesirable personnel is being
eliminated, the name is being changed, and assurances have

been given concerning the deletion of the bank. The
Colombian Government has been extremely cooperative in

working out a plan for the deletion of the Banco Aleman
Antioqueno. Such deletion is the biggest development con-

cerning the Proclaimed List thus far in Colombia.

46. Application of Proclaimed List to Certain Blocked
Nationals: During the month of February a representative

of this office worked with representatives of the State
Department in preparing instructions to the American
Diplomatic and Consular Officers in Latin America on The

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Proclaimed List of Certain Blocked Nationals. Such
instructions have been cleared and are now being mimeo-

graphed by the State Department for distribution. Such
instructions will supersede the instructions of September
20, 1941, as amended by the circular telegram of December
13, 1941. Messrs. DuBois and Mann handled this matter.

The above-mentioned circular instructions of

September 20, 1941, did not concern the application of
the Proclaimed List to insurance transactions. However,

on January 17, 1942, a circular instruction on the application of The Proclaimed List of Certain Blocked Nationals
to insurance transactions was prepared by the State and

Treasury Departments and distributed to the Diplomatic
and Consular Offices in the American Republics. Such

instruction was merely a preliminary instruction and dealt
primarily with direct insurance by American concerns of

Proclaimed List nationals and their property. Such instruetion envisages that additional steps will be taken.
Accordingly, during the month of February a questionnaire
was sent to the American Diplomatic and Consular Officers

in Latin America requesting information on certain insurance

transactions and dealing largely with the question of

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- 39 reinsurance and plans of local governmental reinsurance

in operation in the Latin American Republics. Members

of this office worked on the preparation of such questionnaires. Messrs. DuBois, Kehl and Mann worked on these
matters.

47. Peruvian Freezing Control: Representatives of the
Peruvian Government attending the recent Rio conference
drafted a memorandum of six pages containing numerous

inquiries concerning freezing control. Messrs. DuBois and
Mann, of this office, prepared an eight-page memorandum in
response to the questions raised. Such memorandum sets

out the policies which this Government is presently pursuing

in freezing control. Inasmuch as the answers to the questions raised concern in a general way the many problems that

are raised in connection with the freezing control, the
memorandum reply is being mimeographed and distributed to

the American Diplomatic and Consular Officers in Latin America

for their information.
48. Miscellaneous Problems: Members of this office have
spent considerable time answering correspondence which

raises miscellaneous questions on the Proclaimed List, the

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- 40 President's Proclamation of July 17, 1941, and various

freezing control problems in connection with Latin
American trade. This office has also worked with the
State Department in advising its Missions on problems

concerning freezing control and previously issued circular
instructions. Messrs. DuBois, Mann, Frampton, and
Fisher handled these matters.

49. Transfer of Assets of Netherlands East Indies Banks
and Corporations: Working with representatives of the
Dutch, arrangements were made (which included the issuance

of appropriate licenses) some time prior to the invasion of
Java, which enabled the assets in this country of certain
Netherlands East Indies banks and companies to be transferred to the Netherlands Purchasing Commission as soon as

the Dutch Minister gave the word. Mr. DuBois handled this.

50. Transfer of Assets of Singapore Banks: Less than two

days before the actual fall of Singapore, the British advised
us that arrangements had not been completed by them for

the transfer of the assets of the offices of the British banks
in Singapore to the London offices. Working with the State
Department, we assisted the British in completing these

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arrangements (which included the issuance of licenses to

banks throughout the country), enabling the transfers to
be made in due time. Mr. DuBois handled this matter.

51. Certification Under Section 25(b) of the Federal
Reserve Act (for description see January, 1942 report,

Item 47). Appropriate licenses, notifications, etc., were
issued in connection with the certification by the State
Department of the Thai Minister's authority to draw on
certain accounts of the Thai Commercial Bank, Ltd.; and

in connection with the certification of the authority of
the Governor of the Bank of Greece to draw on the account

of the Bank of Greece. Mr. DuBois handled this.

52. Brazilian Freezing Control: At the request of the
Brazilian Government, we made certain comments and sug-

gestions concerning the Brazilian local freezing control
decrees. Mr. DuBois handled this matter.
53. Ecuadoran Stabilization Agreement: Working with
Monetary Research, we drew up the stabilization agreement
between the Government of Ecuador and the Secretary of the

Treasury, providing for the purchase of sucres up to the
amount of 5 million dollars. Mr. DuBois worked on this
project.

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- 42 54. Netherlands Decree: We studied and commented on a

letter of the Secretary of State, to be presented to the
Court of Appeals of New York in connection with the
Transandine Case. Messrs. Friedman and DuBois handled

this matter.

55. Latin American Program (for description see January,
1942 report, Item 37): We worked on and submitted to
State and B.E.W. a proposed program for assisting the

Latin American countries in carrying out a real program of
economic warfare. Messrs. DuBois and Mann worked on this
program.

56. President's Memorandum Delegating Authority to
Secretary of Treasury: The President signed the memorandum

delegating all authority to the Secretary of the Treasury
under sections 3(a) and 5(b) of the Trading with the Enemy
Act.

57. Silver Legislation (for description see January, 1942
report, Item 49): This office cooperated with the Legislative Section and Dr. White's office in the preparation of

drafts of bills which would provide for the sale of silver

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in the monetary stocks of the United States for industrial
purposes as well as the repeal of the whole silver purchase program. Miss Hodel and Mr. Brenner worked on this
matter.

58. Mexican Claims: This office cooperated with the
Bureau of Accounts and the Department of State in the

preparation of legislation concerning the payment of
certain claims of American citizens against the Government
of Mexico. Miss Hodel and Mr. Brenner worked on this
matter.

59. Financial Aid to China (for description see January,
1942 report, Item 51): This office cooperated with others
in the Treasury and the State Department in the drafting

of the agreement for $500 million financial aid to China

and participated in all the discussions respecting the
arrangement. Mr. Bernstein handled this matter.

MR. GRAVES' OFFICE TO

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April 16

MC HUGH:

For your records: On April 5,
the Post Office Department wrote the
Postmaster at Los Angeles to have the

complaint re. the lack of stamps
at the West Los Angeles post office
investigated.
Mr. Mahan has had no report

from the Post Office Department.
MFF

104- Report submitted.

4/9/42

147

Followed of with Graves

4/9/42 mahan is writing
to W. Los Angeles P.O.
4/14/43. Followed of with Grade
again - Hain't hand-

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY.

April 3, 1942.
Since the last abstract was sent down Monday, and

some letters received that day, this one, pre-

early
Friday
morning,
a
pared
included
does
not
represent
full
week's mail return and therefore is smaller than the
usual weekly report.

Taxation still leads as the subject most under
discussion. There has been quite a little favorable
comment upon the proposals to exempt money spent for

educational purposes and for hospital and medical expenses. Needless to say, all comments on this are

decidedly favorable. Letters opposing joint returns
still outnumber those approving them in the ratio of
6 to 1. There were two letters opposing a withholding
tax, and one approving it. There were only five letters
approving the sales tax, and a great many communications

protesting it.
General protests have decidedly fallen off. There

are the usual kicks about non-essential Government spend-

ing, but the volume is less and the letters are not so

violent.

Two new subjects appeared in these protest letters payments to Japanese aliens interned and put to work, and

high salaries in factories doing defense work, particularly
the Jack & Heintz Company of Cleveland.

The White House is sending us quantities of letters

and in regard to drunkenness
inindividuals
various
and
from
among
soldierstowns
organizations
communities, we can do sale
of liquor around camps, etc. There is nothing

with these except to acknowledge them. However, they are
increasing steadily in number, and calling more and more

definitely for restrictions in the sale of liquor to men
in camps, etc.

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149

General Comments on the Present Emergency

Charles Hayden Gunter, "Calamine" Power and Smelting

Corp., Smithville, Ark. The enclosed "Clippings" may
prove of interest in connection with my incessant
endeavors to interest different governmental departments in the remarkable "Zinc & Lead" deposits of "Sharp
and Lawrence" counties, despite the damaging "Bulletin
853" issued some years ago by U. S. Geological Survey -

since emphatically contradicted by far more authoritative
reports, charts, and drill records discovered from old

files. * After recent exhaustive survey by engineers

for "American Zinc Lead & Smelting Company", the field
was unquestionably confirmed by the conditional desire
of the company named to start immediate work, conditioned

upon their securing 10,000 acres (virtually
16officioussquare
Their
miles) on a basis of 5% royalty.
ness was little short of shocking, but refusal to do

their bidding has resulted in failure to interest others
financially, and to operate. * * # Years ago your Father

got me out of jail in Istanbul, after a boyish carousal,
and the giving to a Turk a dead chicken! After diligent

and efficient endeavor, it seems that I am unjustly doomed
to failure for even the "Reserves Metals Corporation" is
not courteous enough to acknowledge an inquiry pertaining

to financing. # I ask your kind indulgence in an in-

terest by referring me to someone who will help to lead
us out of the wilderness to a means of developing the
remarkable sources.

Ebben Schramm, Counsellor at Law, N.Y.C. Flying Officer

Douglas Van Buskirk of Bronxville, N.Y., one of the first
U. S. airmen to enlist in the Royal Canadian Air Force,
died at the controls of his Stirling Bomber when he was

shot down over Germany on November 7, 1941. In apprecia-

tion of his valor, the six employees of my office desired

to make a contribution to a fund to buy an American Bomber
and the money collected among them was forwarded by me to

the New York Post, asking if they would consider a drive
to buy a bomber in honor of Officer Van Buskirk. After
considering the matter, and discussing it with the War Dept.,

they concluded that the purchase of Defense Bonds would
make the money available for the Army or Navy faster than
(Encloses check for $30.)
any other at the present time.

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-2Favorable Comments on Taxation

S. F. Darling, President, Appleton Cooperative Assn.
Appleton, Wisconsin. I have studied your proposed tax

program to raise the twenty billion dollars necessary to

prosecute the war to victory. I believe it is a fair

and equitable tax program and should be passed by Congress.

As a representative of an organization of twelve hundred
consumers in this community, I am writing our Representatives in Congress, urging them to take positive action

on this Bill proposed by you. I am sure the majority of

consumers and other small income taxpayers are willing to

pay their just share of the war bill, and believe the tax

program proposed by you is fair and should be passed.
You have our support, and I only hope the voice of the
average consumer will be heard at the hearings now going
on, as well as those of the manufacturing interests.
A postal card campaign opposing the levying of a sales
tax brought in 358 cards signed by different persons and

carrying the following wording: I want you to know that
you have my full support, as well as that of my neighbors,
for the general purposes of your taxation program based

on the democratic principle of 'ability to pay'. I congratulate you particularly on your opposition to the

general sales tax which could only serve to place the
financial burden of this war on the lowest income group."

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Unfavorable Comments on Taxation

Henry B. Lane, Belvedere, Calif. Several weeks ago I

saw a Donald Duck movie short on the simplified method

of income tax filing. It was clever and timely, but
inaccurate in one important detail. As portrayed in
this short, the taxpayer could prepare his return, write

a check, place them both in an addressed, stamped envel-

ope and mail the letter, thus completing his return.
This overlooks the requirement that the jurat on the form
must be executed before a Treasury official or a Notary
Public. In movies this may be done by correspondence,

but in actual practice it requires a special visit by the
taxpayer. In my personal experience, this is the greatest
difficulty in the mechanics of preparing and filing my
return. Our next door neighbor, ill with a contagious
disease, was unable to file a complete return on time
because of the jurat requirement. # * * For those in isolated
areas or working odd hours, the execution of the jurat is
a great inconvenience. I believe the well publicized
efficiency of Treasury men, and the natural awe of the

Government held by small taxpayers make it unnecessary for

the protection of revenue to have a jurat on the small tax-

payers' form.

John J. Wilson, Jr., Washington, D. C. I am one of the

several million who had to file returns this year, and if

the average taxpayer spent the same time I did in locating
a Notary Public, then a great many million hours were
wasted. Though living in Washington, I work in Bethesda,
Md. I took time off to have my return notarized and spent

about two hours looking for the notary. I found five signs
saying "Notary Public", but in every instance the person
in question was out or otherwise not available. That
afternoon I spent two and a half hours looking offor Maryland
a Notary

before finally finding one in. * * The State

collects income taxes, but does not require the return to
be notarized - they are merely signed by the taxpayer as

being true returns. I believe it would be a great service

to the majority of American taxpayers if the requirement
that income tax returns be notarized would be waived in the
future. The law can just as easily provide the same penalty
for a false return whether notarized or not, and the Govt.
would not stand to lose a cent.

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-4General Comments on Bonds

John W. Affolter, Louisville, Colo. I am a merchant
in a small town. We take in quite a few food stamps,

which are backed by the U. S. Government. Why the hell

don't you fix things so that we can trade these two-bit

stamps into Defense Stamps? I'll bet there are thousands
of merchants would like to do that instead of going
through all the trouble of pasting them on cards and

handing them over to some wholesaler. From my own experi-

ence I wait until I get thirty or forty dollars worth of

these Stamps and then paste them on cards. I'd a lot
rather go to the Post Office and trade them in on Defense
Stamps, because, for one reason, I wouldn't miss the money
if done in that manner. This idea would probably bring
in many more millions of dollars for the making of guns
and stuff to give those yellow-bellied-Jap suns-of the

rising sun that will soon sink in oblivion.

Julia L. Mitchell, Central Commercial & Technical High
School, Newark, New Jersey. Our school has organized for
the sale of Defense Bonds. * * * Our students, who are not
even well-to-do, must bank $18.80 in order to procure a
Bond. Five-cents of this sum must remain on deposit to
keep their account open. This is the bank requirement

for a Bond. To obtain such a large amount at the rate of
five or ten-cents a week, which is all the majority can
afford, will take years of saving, and by that time the
war may be over. It is our belief that our country needs

our money now, therefore we are encouraging the sale of
these Bonds. # * # We believe there would be a large sale
of $1 or $5 Bonds since the children would be enabled to
reach their ultimate goal much sooner, and the amount saved
would not appear staggering. # The Howard Savings Bank
of Newark, N.J., and other Newark banks, seem reluctant
and, we may say adverse, to furnish Stamps to schools.
They want deposits. # # # The banks imply and suggest to

the children that it is safer to save in a bank than it

is to stick Stamps in a book, since the book may be lost.
* We contend that in a school as large as ours, we

could raise more money for defense through
theasale
of
We
have
registration
Stamps plus the sale of Bonds.
*

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of over 2,200. If only one-half of this group bought

one 10d Stamp per person each week for the duration, we

feel it would be very worth while for defense. Does the
Treasury prefer, according to the bank, that the children invest their money in banks for an indefinite period
without ever cashing in for a Bond, or, does the Treasury

prefer the money for defense now? * # # The banks are loath
to give us the Stamps. May we have your opinion on this

so that we may carry back the answer to them?

Frank Siegel, Red Level, Ala. I have a little money

saved up to buy a few acres of land with, whenever I
have enough to buy at least ten acres or so. I would
like to put it into Defense Bonds, but what would happen
if inflation would come? If I had my money in Defense
Bonds, would it still be good in case inflation came?

I want to put my money where it will be safe for its

taken me over a year to save up $130 towards some land.

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Favorable Comments on Bonds

James Payne, Fort Wayne, Ind. Today I received by

payroll deduction, my 5th Defense Bond. ($25.) I am

married and have two small children and earn $170 each

month. Until five months ago, I put $10 a month in the
bank. Then I took a fling and had my employer take a

Bond each month out of my earnings, and the results are

that I really do not miss the difference. I feel that

I have done a little to help arm our country, and I am

sure that if you could get each person to take a chance

and buy a Bond each month, they would learn how easy

it is to make this sacrifice, if you can call it a

sacrifice to save your country and your money too.

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Unfavorable Comments on Bonds

Z. Chafee, Providence, R.I. I am in receipt of your

communication without date, requesting me to encourage

the enthusiastic participation of employees in a payroll allotment plan for the purchase of Defense Bonds.

My reaction is that I shall be happy to participate in

such a plan if I can be assured that the money so provided will be used in an effective way "to march against

a

common enemy". Recent disclosures in the papers, how-

ever, give me pause, for I see that public money, including presumably that from the sale of so-called

Defense Stamps and Bonds, is being used for purposes
which to many minds are non-essential for the conduct of

the war, and which are not referred to in your circular,
and this to an aggregate of about two billion dollars
per annum. * With the money being diverted as at
present, isn't the title Defense Bonds a bit of a misnomer

in your circular, and the tenor of your circular itself a
bit misleading? If your circular is to stand, and the
money is to be used as stated for militant purposes,
should there not be some official allocation by which the
money received from the sale of Bonds and Stamps can be

used only for the purposes specified? *

Elizabeth Hill, Los Angeles, Calif. Can you tell us why

no bank or Post Office in West Los Angeles has had Defense
Stamps of the 10 or 25c denominations for the past month?

This is not of importance to me personally, as I buy a

Defense Bond each month, but I do not see any value of
issuing Stamps in the 10-25g denominations so that children
and people with small incomes can contribute financially to

national defense, unless it is made possible for these

people to buy the Stamps. The Postmaster and banker advise

us they cannot get them. What will be done about this im-

mediately?

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For Your Information

April 3, 1942.
Archibald MacLeish

To:

From: Alan Barth
EDITORIAL OPINION
ON THE WAR:

TWILIGHT OF IMPERIALISM
Attack

Editorial delight over the British raid on St. Nazaire
affords one more indication of the eagerness with which the
American press awaits offensive action against the enemy.

The prevailing feeling is that this attack, if not wholly
successful, served at least to give the Nazis cause for
serious worry. But the elation in most comments appears to

spring from a hope that this was but the forerunner of raids
to come -- perhaps even of a full-dress invasion later in
the Spring.

The Christian Science Monitor, for example, finds "some
reason for believing that United Nations strategy now looks

on the British Isles as an offensive base. For two years
the British have had to wonder where Hitler might strike.
Now they can cause Hitler to do some wondering. Should they
increase these raids and combine them with the bombing of

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Nazi communications, something like a western front will

appear. Axis forces will have to be called back or withheld
from the drive on Russia. From that standpoint every offensive move, even though costly, even should its objectives
not be completely attained, is a success."
But The Lynchburg News, ordinarily more bellicose than
The Monitor, warns that "A reckless offense may be worse

than a feeble defense. A position lost may be regained; an
army lost is something else." A good many commentators,

indeed, have added a note of caution on this score to their
recently vociferous demands for a seizure of the initiative.
They seem slightly worried lest their earlier counsel be
heeded prematurely. No lessening of the ardor for attack
need be inferred from this, however; all that is demanded
is adequate preparation.

Columnist Samuel Grafton inveighs against even this

degree of caution. The theory that the offensive must wait
until sufficient equipment has been accumulated, he contends,

is actually an isolationist theory. "A policy of taking the
offensive in 1943," says Grafton, "is a policy of taking the
defensive in 1942. Let us call things what they are.

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A promise to act next year is, equally, a promise not to act
this year 11

In the midst of this etymological debate over whether
the war should be fought offensively or defensively, most of

the press is waiting tensely for the Axis to make its next
move. The past week has been one of relative quiescence on

the actual fighting fronts, as far as the editorial pages
were concerned. The commentators have their eyes fastened

apprehensively on future theaters of the war.
Empire

The prime focus of interest during the past week has
been India. The press sees the great sub-continent as
Japan's next objective and a possible meeting ground for

the German and Japanese ends of the Axis. And it is gravely
fearful that the Indians, when the test comes, may not range
themselves with the United Nations.

For the most part, American editorial opinion has been
warmly sympathetic to the Indian demand for independence.
But as they studied the problem, commentators became more

aware of its complexity, more tolerant of the British attitude that India is not yet wholly ready for self-government.

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They examined the conflicting demands of India's religious
groups and discovered that these could not be met satisfactorily by a simple declaration of independence.

Accordingly, the proposals presented by Sir Stafford
Cripps went beyond the expectation of most editorial
writers here and were considered, on the whole, extremely

generous. And there is now a feeling of real impatience

with the Indian Congress leaders for their failure to
accept them. The Atlanta Constitution says the proposals
"go all the way

If the Indian leaders do not accept

the British offer it will be all the evidence needed that
they have no desire to cooperate with the free nations of

the world in the struggle for universal freedom, it will
show they have already surrendered, in spirit, to the
machinations of the Axis Fifth Columnists among them."

This impatience stems, of course, largely from
a recognition that time is- of the essence in solving the
Indian problem. As a Scripps-Howard editorial puts it:
"The fact is that Britain and India must 'hang together
or hang separately' at the hands of Axis invaders

If this unity formula fails, another will have to be

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Thus the probability is not that talk will

stop. Rather, the danger is that the talk will go on and
on until the Japs arrive -- when tongues will be hanging out
in a different way."

Editorial feeling about India is tied in with general
satisfaction over the creation of a Pacific War Council.
American commentators are not without a certain pride in the
fact that Washington has become the planning center for

United Nations strategy, at least in the Far East. But they
feel also that the equal representation given to Australia,
China and India is a significant factor in determining the
character of the war to be waged: it completes the transfer
from a defense of imperialism to a peoples' struggle. There
is beginning to seep through the press currently a belief
that western exploitation of the Orient cannot be restored;
that the British can never regain their control over Burma,
Malaya, Hong Kong and India; that the United Nations can

fight only for the genuine liberation of peoples everywhere.
The Pacific War Council is applauded, too, as an

instrumentality for conducting the war more effectively.

About the only criticism leveled against it is that it fails

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to go far enough. The suggestion is now being advanced that
a Supreme War Council be established to plan the global
strategy of the whole United Nations war effort.

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For your information.

April 3, 1942.
To

Ferdinand Kuhn, Jr.

From Herbert Merillat
EDITORIAL COMMENT ON TAXES:
OVERTIME AND EXCESS PROFITS

On the home front editorial attention is still concentrated
on abolition of the forty-hour week. The press campaign for
a general sales tax appears to be in abeyance -- temporarily, it
must be supposed in view of the determined and concerted drive

for such a tax in recent weeks. The exposure of excessive profits
made by Jack and Heintz Inc., provoked a demand for effective

limitation of war profits, but few papers regard as practicable
or reasonable the proposal to limit profits on war contracts to
6 percent of the cost of performance. Implicit in the various
demands of the conservative press is the idea that labor and the
Government are guilty of "business as usual.' " Overtime pay
must be reduced, strikes must be banned, non-defense spending
must be sharply cut, heavy taxes must be imposed on everyone,

including the lowest income-earners, before the press will be

satisfied that the country's war effort is all-out.

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Forty-Hour Week

The vast majority of the press continues to clamor for
abolition of the basic forty-hour work week. David Lawrence
and Mark Sullivan have added the contention that overtime is

paid by the taxpayers and that the taxpaying public should rise

up to end this iniquity. There are significant rifts in the
front, however, and some of the most powerful voices in the
conservative press have advised against tampering with the

forty-hour week at this time. The Wall Street Journal, Barron's
Financial Weekly, even the Chicago Tribune, think extension of
the work week would cause more dislocations than it would be

worth. Even the grass roots do not present the unified front
which the Gaylord papers in Oklahoma have tried to develop.

A country editor, in the Parkersburg, Iowa, Eclipse, has this
to say: "We get a big chuckle out of people arguing against
a forty-hour week that don't know anything about organized

labor. The forty-hour week to a union man is a symbol and as
a symbol it means more than just a space of time and should be
left alone

The Eclipse sincerely believes that certain

interests are trying to use the war as a means of eliminating
the forty-hour week gain made by organized labor, and we for
one hope they fail."

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Excessive Profits

The Jack and Heintz case served to point up the fact that
at least some war contractors are making excessive profits which
the present excess profits tax does not recoup for the Government.

It has aroused an editorial demand for an effective limitation
of profits and editorial criticism of a Federal procurement
policy which will permit such profits to be made.
The leading metropolitan papers, however, do not think the
limit of 6 percent on cost of performance is the proper way to
attack the excess profits problem. They endorse Mr. Paul's

criticisms of the 6 percent limit and urge Congress not to enact
that hastily devised measure.
The Spokane Spokesman-Review, campaigning like the Gaylord

papers for an end of the forty-hour week, urges its readers to

support the profit limit as well. In such campaigns the New
Republic sees a scheme to obtain restrictions on labor by tying
them in with high-sounding but impracticable and ineffective

profit limit proposals.
Government Economy

Several papers, not usually warm in praise of Secretary
Ickes, have given him a pat on the back for voluntarily recommending a cut of $10,000,000 in the Interior Department appropria-

tion bill. The total cut of 30 percent in the new appropriation

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over the current year's appropriation is hailed as evidence
that substantial cuts in non-defense government spending can

be made if there is a will to do it. Here, says the press, is
a clear indication that the $2 billion cut recommended by the
Brookings Institution and the National Economy League can
really be effected.
The CCC and NYA are the current targets of an economy-

minded press. The Washington Post speaks for most of the press

when it complains of the "tenacity with which the Administration
clings to emergency organizations after they have served their
original purpose." " If NYA and CCC do in fact perform work

useful to the war effort, these critics say, they should be
merged with the appropriate agencies after the useless functions and administrative staffs have been amputated.
Wives, Invalids, and Collegians
The press has warmly received the Treasury's proposals to
allow deduction of medical expenses, a credit for dependent

children in school, and a credit for the earned income of
wives. The proposal to allow deduction of medical expenses

especially has been applauded. Hugh Johnson says: "It is an
intelligent noble change that the Treasury Department is con-

sidering. It should go through wi thout obstruction." The
Scripps-Howard chain: "The Treasury is on a humane and timely
track."

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The credit for working wives has received less attention
but has been approved by those papers which have noted it.
The New York Herald Tribune, however, smells a rat. The

proposed allowance, it suspects, is "an attempt to make more

politically palatable the Treasury's proposal for mandatory
joint income-tax returns by husband and wife." The Chicago

Daily News favors the credit, but not "as a means of greasing
the ways upon which to launch mandatory joint returns for
husband and wife."

The mandatory joint return proposal continues to be
the target of much editorial abuse. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch
emerges as the most ardent champion of the joint return. "Few

public issues," it says, "have been so beclouded with flimflam
The sanctity-of-marriage argument is so much hokum and hot air.

So is the argument that the joint return would deprive women

of their rights

The joint return simply prevents her

husband from using her name as a cyclone-cellar for an overstuffed income."

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE 4/3/42
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

E. H. Foley, Jr.

I am attaching a copy of a memorandum which I sent to
you on March 3, 1942, in which it was indicated that Foreign Funds

Control is following the principle of permitting no remittances to
persons in enemy and enemy-occupied areas except very limited amounts

to American citizens through the State Department. You asked that

we recanvass this position and give you a further report.
The Division of Monetary Research has reviewed this policy
and Mr. White and Mr. E. M. Bernstein are in agreement with our

policy to permit remittances only to American citizens. There is
attached a copy of a memorandum from Mr. Bernstein to Mr. White which

concludes that the prohibition against remittances to non-American

citizens through private channels achieves two desirable results,
(1) cutting off communication with our enemies and, (2) limiting the
acquisition of free exchange by them. Such free exchange could be

used by our enemies to further their war effort and to hamper ours.
This question was also raised at a meeting at the State
Department in Dean Acheson's office on April 2, 1942. The group
present included, among others, Dean Acheson, Breckinridge Long and

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Joseph Green of the State Department, Noel Hall and A. K. Helm

of the British Ministry of Economic Warfare, and John Pehle and

Bernard Bernstein of the Treasury. It was the view of all of
those present that we should make no exceptions to our present
policy.

9-107h

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE March 3, 1942.
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Messrs. Foley and Pehle

You will recall that you received a cable

from two refugee organizations in Shanghai, dated
January 22, copy of which cable is attached. On

January 29, we sent you a memorandum, copy of which

is also attached, indicating that the matter had

been discussed with the Red Cross, and that the Red
Cross had suggested that possibly the JDC might
remit through the State Department.
You were also advised that the JDC was
attempting to make arrangements for a remittance of
funds against the payment of $90,000 to some one in
this country who was holding in Shanghai the

equivalent in local currency.

The JDC has now filed an application to

pay $90,000 to one Anatole Ponevejsky, New York,

against the transfer of the equivalent in local
currency to the JDC's committee in Shanghai.

We feel that this application must be
denied in spite of the obvious desperate plight of
the refugees in Shanghai and in spite of the fact

that no free foreign exchange would become available
through the transaction to the enemy.

There are, of course, thousands of people
in the United States who desire to make remittances
to enemy (and enemy-occupied) countries. These are
people who have relatives and close friends in such
areas dependent upon them for support. The only
remittances to enemy territories presently being
allowed are remittances of from $60 to $80 per month
to American citizens only, which remittances may be
effected only through the State Department and the
Swiss Government, which represents our interests in

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to remit to non-American citizens in enemy-occupied
territory cannot make arrangements so as to effect
remittances against blocked dollars, and the principle
which we are following in regulating remittances is
that no remittances should be permitted to such areas
except to American citizens through the State Department.

The effective control of transactions with the
enemy requires that private communications with enemy

territory be prohibited entirely. If we allow the JDC

to communicate with enemy territory and work out special
arrangements for transmitting funds to such areas we

cannot readily deny similar privileges to other private

persons.

The plight of large numbers of people in such

areas as Shanghai, Poland and Greece cannot, of course,

be dealt with through the remittance of funds, but must

be dealt with, if at all, by actual importation of food.
In certain cases food has been allowed to be sent into
Greece to relieve conditions there.

(Signed) J. W. Pehle

(Initialed) E. H. F., Jr.

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P

Y

SHANGHAI 242 PM JAN 22 1942
DLT Morgenthau

Treasury Dept Washington

Twenty thousand Jewish refugees from Central Eastern Europe

facing hunger death already no funds for bread local Jewish
communities now penniless implore grant Joint Relief
Association permission remit funds via Switzerland other

neutral countries prohibition remittances will be inhuman
similar sentencing death children women escaped from Europe.
Topas Chairman Shanghai Jewish Askenazi Communi
Assn Communal

Assn of Jewish Refugees Sephardin Comunal Assn.

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INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE Jan. 29, 1942.
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Messrs. Foley and Pehle

This is a report on the cable you have received

from the refugee organizations in Shanghai, a copy of which
is attached.

Mr. Bell called Norman Davis of the Red Cross who
said that when war broke out with Japan the Red Cross had
approximately 1,000 tons of wheat at Shanghai which it was
distributing to 3500 Americans and 20,000 refugees. Another
ship was on the water when the war began but has not been
heard from since. The Red Cross suggested that possibly the
JDC might remit through the State Department.

Pehle discussed this matter with M. A. Leavitt of
the JDC, which before the outbreak of war remitted approximately
$30,000 a month to Shanghai for the support of 20,000 refugees.

The JDC has heard that there is a possibility that it can

obtain local currency in Shanghai against the payment of
$90,000 to an as yet unnamed American in this country. The
JDC secured the permission of Navy Censorship to cable
Shanghai via South America to ascertain the name and address

of this American. Mr. Leavitt has indicated that when they

receive a reply from Shanghai he will communicate with us
further.

It is our recommendation that no reply be made at
this time to the cable from Shanghai.
(signed) J. W. Pehle

(Initialed) E. H. F. Jr.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

April 2, 1942

Mr. White

FROM E. M. Bernstein

abject: Remittances to Enemy and Enemy-Occupied Territories

1. The Department of State has completed arrangements for

financial assistance to American nationals in territories where the
interests of the United States are represented by Switzerland. Those
able to qualify for such assistance will be entitled to receive from

the Swiss representatives monthly payments determined by their

established needs and the prevailing cost of living in the country
concerned. All recipients will be limited to the monthly payments
established for their place of residence, regardless of their ability
or
the ability
ofsums
others
interested in their welfare to repay greater
amounts
than the
advanced.
According to State Department estimates, the maximum monthly

payment for the head of a household will range from $60 to $80, with
smaller allowances for additional members of the household. The
monthly payments are subject to revision from time to time, to meet

changing living costs. In addition, the Swiss representatives are

authorized to make special advances for such extraordinary expenses

as medical care, legal defense, burial charges, etc. Both the

monthly payments and the special advances are to be regarded as loans,

rather than as subsidies. It is expected that all sums advanced will
be repaid by the recipients or by relatives, friends, business

associates, etc.

These arrangements for payments apply only to American nationals

who are not prisoners of war or interned civilians supported by an
enemy government. For such imprisoned and interned Americans, only

small sums (pocket money) are available. Aliens (including alien
spouses and alien children of American nationals) are ineligible for
any payment whatsoever through the government.

The method of payment is for the United States to purchase Swiss
francs and for Switzerland to pay the enemy countries in such manner
as may be agreed upon by Switzerland and the enemy. Switzerland
represents Bulgesents the interests of the United States in Germany, Italy, Japan,

Bulgaria, Hungary, Rumania, and occupied territories (excluding the
Philippine Islands and other areas in which Japan does not allow
diplomatic representation).

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Division of Monetary
Research

2. The established policy toward enemy countries is to cut off

all communication and trade with these countries which may in any

directly or indirectly contribute to their war effort. The acquisition way
of free exchange, whether free dollars, Swiss francs, or other neutral
currencies, contributes to the war effort of the enemy by facilitating
the acquisition of materials and by providing funds for subversive
activity. The ideal policy would be to prevent any transactions that

result in supplying the enemy with free foreign exchange.

It would have been most favorable to the maintenance of a policy
of denying the enemy free exchange if Americans were not present in
enemy and occupied territory. Unfortunately, some 36,000 American
citizens are now in enemy and occupied territory. It would appear to
be impossible to deny American citizens in enemy and occupied territory
the protection of this Government in providing them with a minimum of
subsistence, but remittances for this purpose should be restricted to

a bare minimum and transferred exclusively through Government channels.
Even with the restricted remittances now contemplated for American

citizens in enemy and occupied territory, the enemy may acquire free
exchange from such payments to the extent of $20 million or more
annually.

Any broadening of the categories eligible for relief from this

country would add substantially to the volume of free exchange

accruing to the enemy. If we permit relief agencies to remit funds

for refugees, we shall be faced with the equally reasonable request
to permit relief remittances by private persons to needy friends and
relatives in enemy and occupied territory. And we shall be compelled
again to face the problem of providing general relief for all the
people in occupied territory. Such a program of relief which might
develop if we permit a broadening of the categories eligible for
relief would provide the enemy with scores of millions of dollars
annually in free exchange that could be used to further their war
effort and to hamper ours. In fact, if we show any disposition to
relax our present rigid restrictions, we encourage the enemy to shift
to us the burden of maintaining the population of occupied territory.

3. Present regulations regarding remittances exclude all such
remittances
to
and
except
those
on
behalf
United restriction has the

of the States enemy Government. occupied This territory two-fold
effect of cutting off communication with the enemy and limiting the
acquisition of free exchange by the enemy. On the whole, the public
has shown no disposition to question the necessity of these regulations.

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Division of Monetary
Research

The Joint Distribution Committee has filed two applications for
licenses to acquire local currency in Shanghai for relief work. The
first of these applications, to purchase $90,000, has already been
denied. A second application, involving the purchase of $50,000, is
now pending.

The manner of remittance contemplated by the Joint Distribution
Committee would probably not result in free exchange for the enemy.
However, it would necessitate a departure from the present
regulations permitting remittances to enemy and occupied territory
exclusively for the benefit of American citizens and exclusively
through Government channels. To grant this application for a

license would invite similar requests from equally worthy relief
agencies who do not have the means of acquiring local currency in

the manner open to the Joint Distribution Committee. In order to

maintain a firm and consistent attitude of impartiality in refusing
to license any non-governmental remittances to enemy and occupied

territory, this application should be denied.

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Statement of Mr. Edwerd H. Foley, Jr.
General Counsel of the Treasury Department,
before the Senate Special Committee to
investigate the national defense program

April 3, 1942.
During the hearings currently taking place before
your Committee relating to the Standard Oil Company and

its relationship to the I. G. Farben Dye Trust, mention
has been made of a proposed sale by the Standard Oil
Company of its Hungarian oil producing proverties to

I. G. Farben for $24 million.
Mr. Farish, the President of the Standard Oil
Company, stated on March 31, 1942 that the Standard Oil
Company lost the sale and the Government of the United
States lost $24 million in gold.
The Acting Chairman of the Committee, Senator Mead,

stated: "In view of the fact, Mr. Farish, that you
take issue with the Treasury Department and contend that
they made an unwise decision, the Committee will ask them

for their side of the controversy." If
The Treasury Department appreciates this opportun-

ity to present its view of this situation. The facts
with respect to the pronosed transaction are as follows:
In July, 1941, the Standard Oil Company filed an
application with the Treasury Department, for a license,
under the freezing control order, to sell its Hungarian
subsidiary to I. G. Farben. The application stated that
the consideration for the sale was the payment by
I, G. Farben to Standard Oil of:

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(1) $5,500,000 in Swedish, Swiss and Latin
American currencies,

(2) $13,500,000 in gold to be delivered in
Lisbon, Portugal. This gold was later to
be brought to the United States and sold to
the Treasury.

(3) A promissory note of the I. G. Farben for
$5 million to be paid three months after the
end of the war. This note was secured by the
American assets of I. G. Farben which were
already blocked and under this Government's
control.
The Interdepartmental Committee on Foreign Funds

Control, which consisted of the Assistant Secretary of
State, Dean G. Acheson, Assistant Attorney General
Francis M. Shea, and the General Counsel of the Treasury,
Edward H. Foley, Jr., carefully studied this application
and consulted with their respective departments. The
three departments agreed that in view of all the facts
and circumstances, the approval of the application would
not be in accordance with the policy of this Government
in administering the freezing control order. The appli cation was accordingly denied.
Upon inquiring if the Foreign Funds Control Committee
would deny such application even though the total purchase price of $24 million was paid in gold at Lisbon,

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the Standard Oil Company was advised that such an application would also be denied.

An approval of this transaction would have permitted
the Standard Oil Company to have been preferred by
Germany over other American owners of capital investments
in Germany and the occuried countries. The proposed
transaction may have been even more generous than a

mere preference. Mr. Farish in his testimony indicated
that "the $24 million represented a good bit more than
the cost of the properties" to the Standard Oil Company
and that the Standard Oil Company was "getting something
for nothing."
Germany wanted to purchase the Standard Oil proper-

ties in Hungary as a part of its program to acquire
through so-called "legal" methods complete economic
domination and control over Europe. For this Government
to have approved the proposed sale of Standard's
Hungarian oil properties to Germany would not merely
have facilitated Germany's program of economic domination
of Europe but would have been tantamount to an approval
of Germany's economic new order in Europe.

It is a fundamental policy of our freezing control
program to prevent Germany from acquiring the assets of
overrun countries or from being able to make use of any

such assets that it may have looted. To have permitted
Germany to use $24 million of looted gold or other

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foreign exchange assets to pay for the oil property in
Hungary would have been a direct contradiction of the
purpose of our freezing control. It would have exposed
us to the charge of being willing to accept the spoils
of looting to help preferred American companies.
Mr. Farish admitted in his testimony that his company had
no way of knowing where and from whom Germany acquired

the gold that was being offered in payment.
This country had much more to gain, in terms of
retaining the confidence and good will of overrun
European peoples and subjugated Governments, by maintain-

ing the high moral principle of preventing Germany from
acquiring or making use of looted assets than this coun-

try lost in not permitting the Standard Oil Company to
sell its Hungarian properties for funds looted by Germany.
An approval of the transaction which contemplated
shipment of gold from Lisbon to the United States would
have involved us in a breach of the British blockade of
Europe which was being maintained to weaken Germany's

economic and military position.
The application of the Standard Oil Company to sell
its European properties was comparable to a. number of
other applications to sell American-owned properties in
Europe, which applications were denied by Foreign Funds

Control in accordance with the policy of the Interdepartmental Committee.

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-5A comprehensive statement of the Governmental policy

with respect to the various applications for the sale
of American-owned property in Germany and Italy and
countries occupied by them was prepared by the Interdepartmental Committee on Foreign Funds Control in
September, 1941. A copy of this memorandum was furnished
to the Vice Presid nt as Chairman of the Economic Defense
Board in September, 1941, in response to a request from
him.

I desire to read to this Committee the memorandum
of September 15, 1941.

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STATEMENT OF POLICY
WITH RESPECT TO THE SALD OF AMERICAN-O.NED
PROPERTY IN GERMANY, ITALY, OR COUNTRIES
OCCUPIED BY THEM.

1. For the guidance of Foreign Funds Control, the State,
Treasury and Justice Departments have approved the principle
that American-owned property in Germany or German-controlled

countries should not be sold for payment out of accounts blocked

in the United States belonging to nationals of Germany or the
occupied countries. This principle was adopted for several
reasons.

It was felt that such sales would result in the disposal
of blocked assets in favor of particular investors or creditors
in the United States, who would thus enjoy a preferred status
with respect to such blocked assets to the detriment of other

claimants. The policy of first come, first served, with respect to the disposition of such assets, would not be desirable;

but this is not a true first come, first served, situation.
Due to its rigid control over the owners of the blocked assets
the German Government would be effectively dictating which in-

terests in the United States should be paid in full and which
interests should receive partial payment, or no payment at all.
With respect to the use of blocked assets of occupied

countries in these transactions, there is always the possibility
of duress, with the result that the blocked assets which Foreign

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-7Funds Control seeks to protect would be used to facilitate
German acquisition of ownership of European industries or

properties under a cloak of legality. It was felt also that
even in cases in which the initiative appeared to come from
groups in occupied countries who were apparently acting in

their own interests and free from duress, the proposed transactions might nevertheless be on behalf of German interests and

inimical to the interests of the United States.

Usually the physical evidences of title are located in this
country and the proposed transaction contemplates the removal

of these physical evidences to some other country where they

will no longer be readily amenable to our control.
2. When the parties interested in purchasing American holdings in Germany and the occupied countries became aware that

Foreign Funds Control would not permit such purchases out of

blocked accounts in the United States, they turned to the use
of gold or other assets looted from occupied countries and held

physically outside of the United States. Illustrativo of this
development was a proposal that German interests purchase

American properties in Europe for gold which was to be delivered

in Lisbon. It seemed clear that this proposal represented an
attempt by the Germans to use assets for which, under existing

conditions, they had little other use, to acquire "clean" title

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-8to American-owned property in Germany and the occupied countries.

This proposal also involved an attempt to obtain American sup-

nort for a breach of the British blockade, through the trans-

portation of the gold to this country. It would, moreover,
have involved the purchase by the United States Government of

gold the title to which was not "clean". Even though the gold
offered in any particular transaction may have been acquired in
normal commercial channels, it must always be borne in mind that

transactions involving such gold are inextricably intertwined
with transactions involving other assets acquired by conquest
OF duress.

3. More recently proposals to acquire American-owned
proporties in Germany or occupied countries have turned from

the use of gold to the use of the currencies or foreign exchange
of neutral countries, both European and South American. As in
the case of gold, the Gormans have been attempting to use looted

assets which otherwise have little present value to them. The

probable origin of those assets is indicated by the fact that
it was in the late summor and early autumn of 1940 that the
Germans suddenly initiated large-scale purchases of American

holdings. In one instance American sellers of properties in
Germany have indicated that their proposals were suggested to

the Germans prior to the fall of France and WOPC rejected by

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-9the Germans at that time--presumably because of the German

shortage of foreign exchange--whereas the Germans on their own

initiative recently reopened negotiations on this transaction.

4. Most recently--after it had been indicated that Foreign
Funds Control would reject the use of blocked dollar assets,
gold, or foreign exchange held openly in German names for the
purchase of American-owned property in Germany and the occupied
countrics--the Germans have apparently begun to use as go-botweens

the financial institutions of neutral countries, allogedly acting
on their own behalf. In one transaction for which approval was

recently denied, certain interests in a neutral country would
have acquired majority ownership of important industrial properties

in German-occupied territory. In spite of the fact, confirmed
by the applicants themselves, that the German Government was in

complete control of the proporties, these interests were willing
to make loans and purchase securities to an amount which seemed

out of all proportion to past earnings and probable economic
gains from more ownership of the property in question. The
suspicion was, therefore, deemed to be well founded that the interests which put forward the proposal, either on their own

initiative or in collusion with German interests, contemplated
the subsequent disposal of the assets to German interests. It
was thought unwise that Foreign Funds Control should permit

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actions through a neutral cloak which would not be permitted
If they were undertaken openly on German account.
5. The same principles which apply to Germany and German-

occupied countries should, of course, be applied to Italy and

Italian-occupied countries. The application of those principles
to other Axis countries will depend on the extent to which
thoso countries follow the German and Italian models in
economic affairs.

It is believed that the principles sot forth in this
memorandum represent a logical interpretation of the provisions
of Executive Order No. 8339, as amended. Any other interpretation
would result in a discrimination between American owners of
assets under Axis control, the delegation to the Axis Governments
of the power to make discriminatory concessions to favored
American interests, and the use of American commercial channels

in disposing of looted property.
September 15, 1941.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
PROCUREMENT DIVISION

Mrs

WASHINGTON

OF THE DIRECTOR

April 3, 1942
MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:

In line with our program of consolidating purchases
of agencies other than the Military Services and Maritime
Commission, I issued an order effective March 9th request-

ing that all requisitions for lumber in excess of a car-

load, likewise all requirements for electrical equipment

or supplies in excess of $500, or machinery of any char- acter in excess of $300 be routed through the Procurement

Division for consolidated purchase by us. Studies are being made of other commodities to determine those which
should be handled by us on a consolidated purchase basis.

Within about ten days we expect to install a new

system of handling issues from our Warehouse to shorten
the time of handling from an average of about three days

to a twenty-four hour deadline.

Our Specifications Division is actively participating
with the War Production Board in the revision of specifications to eliminate strategic and critical materials, and

within the past few days a new specification was issued in
collaboration with WPB to provide for less new rubber and
more reclaimed rubber in tires, percentages varying according to the sizes and uses.
Next week the Public Building Administration expects
to resume its move from this building, and we will then be
in a position to complete our move into that space, as thus
far only about 35,000 square feet have been made available.

The above is for your information.

Director of Procurement
States ClAfton E. Mack

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WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

April 3, 1942

Dear Henry:

I have at hand your letter of March 20 which brings up
the question of diversions of equipment from various sources of
financing for the use of the United States Army, or in certain
cases for the use of the Russian Government. This question arose
mainly through the action of the United States Army Air Corps during the period subsequent to December 7 in taking delivery from
British financed contracts with United States manufacturers various
aircraft which were utilized by the United States Army itself, or
in certain cases transferred to the U.S.S.R. under Lend-Lease. I
can understand your confusion as to the method that the Army plans
to use in repayment for this equipment. I believe that the following

outline will clarify the matter.

The four types of diversions outlined in your letter are

substantially correct. However, there remains some question as to
the exact dollar value which should be placed upon the airplanes
diverted by the War Department. A satisfactory conclusion must be
arrived at between the War Department and the British Air Commission

before any values can be quoted. Particular difficulty is being ex-

perienced in determining what amount, if any, will be included to

allow for amortization of British capital invested in United States

plants and what appropriate charges should be allowed for accelerated
service tests performed upon the airplanes in question.
Three alternate methods present themselves for establishing
appropriate credits to the British Government.

1. Reimbursement in dollars to the British for
material diverted to other uses by the United
States.

2. Repayment in kind to the British for equipment
diverted.

3. The entering of a credit on the Lend-Lease books

of account for the value of the material diverted
to the United States, thereby reducing the total

Lend-Lease bill by that amount.

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These three methods apply, of course, only to material diverted from

British dollar contracts. In the opinion of the War Department, no
problem exists on diversions to the War Department from foreign government Lend-Lease allocations, as the funds which financed this procurement were never definitely committed to any foreign government and were
never within the control of any foreign government.
With the establishment of the Munitions Assignments Board as
a functioning agency, all production within the United States of items
common to the United States and to foreign governments, regardless of
the source of financing, immediately became one large "pool". The

equipment in this "pool" will be distributed on the basis of strategic

determinations to the Theaters of War throughout the world in which
the equipment is most urgently needed. Thus, the over-all production
of the United States becomes the determinant as to the availability of
equipment. A transfer of equipment to any foreign government automatically becomes a Lend-Lease transfer regardless of the source of financing or the agency making the original procurement. Those items
diverted by the United States to governments other than the one originally making the procurement will be taken up on the accountability
records of the War Department, placed in normal stock, and immediately

lose their identity. It will be the responsibility of the foreign

governments from whose contracts equipment has been taken to see that
appropriate documents are forwarded to the War Department upon which a

credit can be made to their Lend-Lease account. The entering of this
credit should complete the transaction. This will be balanced by the
transfer of goods by the United States Army to foreign governments which
will, in effect, be repayment in kind.

A further complication exists in that it is contemplated that

in the near future shipments of equipment manufactured in the United
States will be consigned to a representative of the United States Army

in the theater of operations in which the equipment is to be utilized.
His disposition of the material will be determined by strategic needs
and will bear little or no relation to any statement of Lend-Lease re-

quirements previously submitted to the War Department, nor will it have
any reference to the source of procurement and financing of the material
in question. Such procedure will considerably expedite the war effort,
which is the end that we all have in mind.

It is realized, however, that you must concern yourself with
the financial results of such a transaction, in order that United
Kingdom dollar exchange may be maintained at an appropriate level. To

assist this undertaking, the War Department is willing to reimburse
the British Government for the airplanes diverted the United States
up to the date of the effectiveness of the terms of the Arnold-Portal
Agreement (January 1, 1942). This proposal has the approval of the
Office of Lend-Lease Administration.

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Of the three alternative methods presented for handling
the problem of diversion from foreign dollar financed contracts to

the United States Army the most feasible from the War Department's

point of view is that of entering a credit to the account of the
foreign government concerned upon the Lend-Lease books.

Yours faithfully,

New L Stewison
Secretary of War.
The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.
The Secretary of The Treasury
Washington, D. C.

Diar Hours

If you paid thunderstand The simple and

lucid Explanation about set forth, you
must invite the Hon 9.7. meclay to come over

and discuss it with you

Has

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April 3, 1942.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY'S FILES

Mr. White spoke to Secretary Morgenthau about the letter
received from Mr. Berle with respect to the Stabilization
Arrangement with Iceland. Mr. White explained that Iceland
wished to resume negotiations for the consumation of
Stabilization Arrangements with us which they had begun many
months ago. Mr. White went on to explain that the Treasury
had answered Mr. Berle's request to the effect that our information as to Iceland's present position seemed to reveal
a substantial improvement in her dollar position since the
last time and that there appeared to be no economic justification on the basis of the information which we now have for
a Stabilization Arrangement with Iceland.
The State Department agreed but stated that Iceland was
eager to make the arrangement for political reasons and that
the State Department favored such action. Mr. White asked

Mr. Berle to write the Secretary of the Treasury a letter to
that effect, which he did on March 28, 1942.

Mr. White asked the Secretary whether it was all right
to 60 ahead with the arrangements. The Secretary replied
that he approved and we should go ahead with the negotiations.

Mr. White then raised the question of the Bolivian
Stabilization arrangements. He said that the State Department
wished to inform the Bolivian Government that the United States
was willing to undertake negotiations for a stabilization arrangement. Mr. White told the Secretary that those negotiations
had been initiated last October at the suggestion of the
State Department and that we had handed a questionnaire to
the Bolivian Minister which had thus far not been answered,
but that the State Department wishes us now to renew the nego-

tiations. Mr. White pointed out that if we told the State
Department that it was all right to inform Bolivia of that fact

we were virtually committed to go through with some arrangements.
Inasmuch as the amount involved was not large and inasmuch as
the State Department wished to go ahead on the matter, the
Secretary approved the State Department's informing the Bolivians
that we were prepared to continue negotiations.

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-2 Mr. White informed Mr. Livesey of the Secretary's decision
and Mr. Livesey was going to get in touch with the Minister and
have him call on the Treasury.
Mr. Spiegel informed Mr. Collado of the Secretary's approval of the statement as requested.

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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
C

C

Washington

P

Y

March 28, 1942.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

Further reference is made to your letter of March 20,
1042 and to conferences between officers of the Treasury
Department and of this Department concerning the proposed

stabilization agreement with Iceland.
This Department has taken into consideration the

fact that the shortage of dollar exchange available to
Iceland which existed last auturn no longer prevails. The
Government of Iceland, however, has indicated to this

Government that it is nevertheless anxious that the

stabilization agreement be concluded. In the opinion of
this Department the conclusion of the agreement is highly

desirable from the standpoint of international relations.
Sincerely yours,

(Spd) Adolf A. Berle, Jr.
Assistant Secretary
The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury.

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WWM

This telegram must bE
paraphresed before being
communicated to anyone

other then a Governmental
agency. (BR)

Bern

Dated April 3, 1942
REC 1 d 7:22 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1358, April 3, 8 p.m.
According decree March 25, referred further
to in FRANKFURTER ZEITUNG April 2, Germen Government

prohibits hoarding of domestic currency under
SEVERE penalties and requires holders deposit funds
with savings banks.
CONFIDENTIAL. Previous reference to this

decree not BEEN nor is there any significant
comment on conditions ocessioning it.
HARRISON
HTM

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 3. 1942
Secretary Morgenthau

Mr. Dietrich

CONFIDENTIAL

Registered sterling transactions of the reporting banks were as follows:
Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns

£31,000
£12,000

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York purchased £9,000 in registered
sterling from a non-reporting bank.

Open market sterling held at 4.03-3/4, with no reported transactions.
In New York, closing quotations for the foreign currencies listed below

were as follows:

Canadian dollar

Argentine peso (free)

13% discount

Venezuelan bolivar

.2370
.0516
.5775
.2064
.5295
.2815

Cuban peso

3/32% premium

Brazilian milreis (free)

Colombian peso
Mexican peso

Uruguayan peso (free)

There were no gold transactions consummated by us today.
No new gold engagements were reported.

The spot and forward silver prices in London advanced 1/16d to 23-1/2d,
the price which prevailed up to two days ago. The U. S. equivalent of 23-1/2d

is 42.674.

The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was unchanged at 35$.
Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was also unchanged at
35-1/84.
We made no purchases of silver today.

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2-

The report of March 25 received from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,

giving foreign exchange positions of banks and bankers in its district, revealed
that the total position of all countries was short the equivalent of $2,671,000.
a decrease of $245,000 in the short position since March 18. Net changes were as
follows:
Short Position
Short Position
Change in
March
18
March 25
Short Position
Country
England
Europe
Canada

Latin America
Japan

Other Asia
All Others
Total

$ 702,000 (Long)
2,396,000

2,467,000

1,002,000 (Long)
144,000 (Long)
160,000

2,260,000
52,000 (Long)
$2,916,000

$ 780,000 (Long)
1,405,000 (Long)
103,000 (Long)
160,000

- $ 78,000

+ 71,000
- 403,000
+ 41,000

-

29,000

+ 43,000
+ 81,000

$2,671,000

- $245,000

2,303,000

Plus sign (+) indicates increase in short position, or decrease in long position.
Minus sign (-) indicates decrease in short position, or increase in long position.

CONFIDENTIAL

A

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Copy No.

13

BRITISH MOST SECRET

(U.S. SECRET)
OPTEL No. 109

Information received up to 7 A.M., 3rd April, 1942.
1. NAVAL

From further information of the ships which left GOTHENBURG, one

10,300 ton tanker arrived at a British port undamaged but another smaller tanker
was torpedoed by aircraft and sunk 180 miles off ABERDEEN, escorting Beaufighters
destroyed three enemy aircraft.
7

2, MILITARY

BURMA. Up to midnight 31st, situation substantially unchanged. It
is estimated that 4,000 Burmese are supporting the Japanese on the PRONE Front,
and reconnaissance on the west bank of the IRRAWADDY indicates that there are
1,000 Burmese opposite PROME. Our Forces destroyed a Japanese patrol near
SINNIZWE. The Chinese report that the enemy has been reinforced north of TOUNGOO.
Japanese landed unopposed on CHRISTMAS ISLAND on the night 30th/31st,

RUSSIA. German counter-attacks have made some progress west of

RZHEV, fighting continues in the area north-east of OREL,
3. AIR OPERATIONS

WESTERN FRONT. 1st/2nd. 61 tons of bombs were dropped on HAVRE in

good visibility, and 55 tons on the Matford factory where several hits were obtained. The attacks on railway communications in the FRANKFURT area were successful, the centres at KANAU and ASCHAFFENBURG were hit, and the railway bridge over

the river at MAINZ is claimed as destroyed. 21 R.C.A.F., 15 R.A.A.F. and ten New

Zealand aircraft took part, one Canadian aircraft was among those missing. 2nd/
3rd. 106 aircraft were despatched - Matford factory 50, HAVRE 26, sea-mining 30.

Three are missing. There was some enemy activity over coastal districts, our
night fighters destroyed one Heinkel,
MALTA. 1st. A further 66 aircraft attacked GRAND HARBOUR causing

scrious damage to the submarine workshop. 1st/2nd. 35 enemy aircraft attacked,

at LUQA, two of our aircraft were burnt and some M/T Vehicles destroyed. Our
fighters destroyed four enemy aircraft, probably destroyed seven and damaged eigh

"hilst anti-aircraft destroyed eight.
HOME SECURITY

2nd/3rd. Bombs were dropped on the coasts of DORSETSHIRE and KENT.
At WEYMOUTH, 20 people were killed and at DOVER 12.

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April 4, 1942
11:02 a.m.

Daniel

Bell:

Hello.

HMJr:

Hello. Bell?

B:

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:
B:

Yes, sir. You're right on the dot.
Good.

We've got the gang here.
Yeah.

And New York says November 1 or November 2,

either one. It doesn't make any difference
to them.

HMJr:
B:

November 1 or what?

Or two. Eccles says November 1. He doesn't
think it makes much difference whether it's
October 15 or November 1, but he's in favor
of November 1.

Piser wouldn't argue a lot about it, but he
favors October 15 because of a little diffi-

culty in telling what price it will sell at.

Our gang here all feel November 1 is the date,
80 that's what we recommend. That will sell

for, as near as we can tell, around two thirtyseconds premium.

HMJr:

How are the telegrams coming in?

B:

You mean from the letter we sent out?

HMJr:

Yeah.

B:

Just a moment. George Buffington says - we haven't

seen any this morning - but there were a lot of

them yesterday. I think we had something between
fifteen hundred and two thousand.

HMJr:
B:

I see.

Generally favorable.

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-2HMJr:

B:

Many cities or states?

Yes, quite a few states and cities.

HMJr:

Are they interested?

B:

How's that?

HMJr:

Are they interested?

B:

Yes, they're interested. In many cases, the
cities ask whether or not they could legally
subscribe. Of course, we couldn't tell them
that; but we dic get a number of Governors to
say that they would subscribe.

HMJr:
B:

The Governors?

Governors. And LaGuardia, I think, telegraphed
that he would subscribe. Just a moment.
(Talks aside) Who was that?
McCormick of the Tribune subscribed for twentyfive thousand.

HMJr:

McCormick of the Tribune.

B:

Tribune, yeah. (Laughs)

HMJr:

Cut him down a hundred per cent.

B:

Cut him down, huh? (Laughs) I take it you're

not in favor of allotment in full.
HMJr:

(Laughs) Well, who's going to take the twenty-

five thousand?
B:

HMJr:
B:

How's that?

He's going to take it personally, or what?
That's the way the telegram came in, I think.
It had his name signed to it.

HMJr:

What?

B:

His name was signed to the telegram that came in,
yes.

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-3HMJr:

B:

HMJr:

B:

Well, I tell you what I'd like to do, if you
don't
mind. I'd like to talk with Sproul a
minute in New York.
All right.
And I think it's easier to call him direct,
then I'll call you right back. How's that?
All right. There's two things I'd like to
recommend that we do today

HMJr:
B:

Go ahead.

in view of the fact that all of the other
terms of the issue are out. I'd like to an-

nounce pretty soon giving the date and stating
that we'll allow war loan account.
HMJr:

Going to give the what?

B:

Give the date of maturity and the fact that
payment could be made through the war loan

account - give that to the press right away.

HMJr:
B:

Right away?

Yeah. They've got all the rest of the terms,
and there are a great many dealers in New York
that are going to advertise this in Western
papers over the week-end.

HMJr:

I see.

B:

And if they get the full terms, you see, they
can put the whole business in their ad.

HMJr:

All right.

B:

And everything's out anyhow, so I think you
might as well give these other two things.

HMJr:

Some of the New York dealers are going to
advertise?

B:

Devine, and First of Boston, and two or three

others have called up, Bob Rouse said.

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4HMJr:

I see no objection.

B:

I think it would be a good thing to do.

HMJr:

Well, then, if you're going to do it, you've
got to give
the release to the press for 1mmediate
release.

B:

That's - well, I'd just give out the - just

say that the maturity date will be November 1

and payment can be made through war loan
account. Then the circular can go out in the
regular manner.
HMJr:

B:

That would go to everybody - just not to the

New York dealers.

No, it would go to - we'd release it here informally to the press and put it on the ticker.

HMJr:

They'd put it on the Dow-Jones ticker.

B:

That's right.

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

What?

Yes, that's right.
That's all right.
Yeah. All right.
I'll be calling you back in three or four
minutes again.

B:

Swell. All right.

HMJr:

What?

B:

Yes, that's all right. We'll be right here.

HMJr:

You stay there, please.

B:

Yeah.

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April 4, 1942
11:17 a.m.

Daniel

Bell:

All right.

Operator:

Go ahead.

B:

Hello.

HMJr:

Dan.

B:

Yes.

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

Sproul feels all right - November 1.
November 1.

He saye he doesn't care, first or second,
whichever you prefer.

B:

First or second.

HMJr:

Yeah.

B:

I see. All right.

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:
B:

Which are you going to make it?
Well, I thought we'd make it November 1.
Okay.

That's the date you would ordinarily make it.

Now, how about - it's all right to give it cut?
HMJr:
B:

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

B:

Yeah.

All right.
I didn't ask him that.
Yeah. Well, I discussed that with him. They
would like to have it given out.
He said the dealers certainly took the bit in
their teeth.
Yeah. Yeah.

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-2HMJr:
B:

HMJr:
B:

To town.

So they went to town on it.
Yeah.

All right.

HMJr:

I have nothing else. Have you?

3:

No.

HMJr:

Anybody got anything?

2

3:

Wait a minute. Just a moment. George says

we've gotten fifteen hundred and thirty-eight

HMJr:

answers to our telegram.
Is Haas there?

B:

Yes. Want to talk to him?

HMJr:

Yeah, about something else.

B:

HMJr:
B:

HMJr:

George
Haas:

All right.
All right, we'll let her go.
All right.
Let me talk to Haas a minute.
Hello.