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DIARY

Book 491

February 1 - 3, 1942

A

Book

Page

491

232

Airplanes

Shipments to British Forces - Kamarck report - 2/2/12

Aircraft flight delivery, February 2, 1942 - British
Air Commission report - 2/3/42

235-A

Appointments and Resignations

Hardy, Charles 0. (Brookings Institution): Viner suggests
for Haas's staff - 2/2/42
Powel, Harford: Change from Director of Information

60,65

(Defense Savings Bonds) to Consultant discussed by
HMJr, Graves, Kuhn, and Odegard - 2/2/42

8,9

B

Bullitt, William C.
See Foreign Funds Control: General Aniline and Film
Corporation

Business Conditions
Haas memorandum on situation, week ending January 31, 1942

217

-

China
Loan:

Phillips and HMJr discuss simultaneous releases on terms:

Phillips states British expectation that loan would
be repaid promptly; British share to be E30 million 2/1/42

2,4

a) Copy of British memorandum sent to Hull 2/2/42

13

b) Discussion by White House group prior to HMJr's
appearance on the Hill - 2/2/42
1) Conversation with Bureau of Budget - 2/2/42
2) Conversation with Jesse Jones
3) Joint Resolution as okayed by FDR out not
used

15,39
27
30

32

4) FDR's letter to Speaker and Vice President
5) Stimson's and Knox's letters to FDP.

33,34
36,37

6) Hull's letter to FDR

38

7) Soong-HMJr conversation

40

8) HMJr-Litvinoff conversation
9) Hull-HMJr conversation
10) HMJr-Early conversation
11) Berle-HMJr conversation
12) Rayburn-HMJr conversation

13) Joint Resolution (copy) sent to Soong,

44

47
55

62
69

Litvinoff, and Phillips

74.75.76

letters to FDR sent to Hull - 2/2/42

78

14) Copy of FDR's letter to Speaker and Vice
President and copies of Stimson's and Knox's
a) Stimson, Knox, Jones, Smith, Speaker,
and Vice President sent copies of
correspondence

15) Bloom and HMJr discuss those who are to testify

79,etc.
92

- C - (Continued)
Book Page

China (Continued)
Loan (Continued):

Conference of Treasury group and Soong - 2/2/42
a) HMJr-Currie conversation

491

95

108

b) Bloom-HMJr conversation

113

c) Statement by HMJr on Joint Resolution draft 1
1) Copies sent to Stimson, Jones, Knox,

121

and Hull

135

d) Soong's memorandum on terms and conditions

Conference of Treasury group - 2/3/42
a) Stettinius-HMJr conversation

b) HMJr's testimony - draft 2.

131
270
289
293

c) Meeting with House Committee on Foreign Affairs resume

302

1) HMJr's reading copy
a) Papers which HMJr took with him
2) Resolution passed unanimously
a) Soong informed
3) Breckenridge Long statement
d) HMJr's appearance before Senate Committee on

312
322
367
371
308

Foreign Affairs - 2/5/42: See Book 493, page 273
1) Minutes of meeting: Book 493, page 293
e) FDR's message to Chiang Kai-shek announcing

passage of loan - 2/7/42: Book 493, page 278
f) HMJr's appearance before Sub-Committee of House
Appropriations February 9, 1942 - resume:
Book 494, page 1

1) HMJr's reading copy: Book 494, page 5
Universal Trading Corporation report sent to HMJr by
Lochhead - 2/2/42

148

Stabilization Board: William H. Taylor and Wei Yin Lin

"detained by enemy action"; names deleted from those
authorized to operate accounts of Board - 2/3/42
Coordinator of Information

408

See Treasury Representatives Abroad

-DDies List of Government Personnel
See Un-American Activities

Donovan, Colonel William J. (Coordinator of Information)
See Treasury Representatives Abroad
Douglas, Lewis W.

See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds

-EExchange Market

Resumes - 2/2-3/42

245,432

Federal Reserve Act

Book Page

Existing prohibition against direct purchase by Federal
Reserve Banks of direct and guaranteed obligations of

United States: HMJr informs Committee that he approves

removal of restriction - 2/3/42

491

a) HMJr's conversation with Spingarn - 2/2/42

420
151

Federal Reserve System
See Financing, Government
Financing, Government

Eccles' memorandum on future program acknowledged by

Treasury - 2/2/42

173

Non-defense Economies:

See also Books 458, 473, and 485
Conference - 2/3/42.
Conference - 2/6/42: See Book 493, page 98
Conference - 2/10/42: Book 495, page 85

402-A

Defense Savings Bonds:
"Buy a Bomber" campaign:

a) Hearst, William Randolph: Thanked by HMJr for
newspaper aid in sale of bonds to "Buy a Bomber" 2/2/42

203

b) Discussion of "Buy a Bomber" campaign at 9:30
meeting - 2/4/42: Book 492, page 5
c) Letters to Washington Post - 2/4/42:
Book 492, page 31

1) Meyer-HMJr conversation: Book 492,
pages 46, 74, 79, and 304
d) McCloy-HMJr conversation - 2/4/42:
Book 492, pages 39 and 43

e) Post explanation - 2/5/42: Book 492, page 264
Postmaster General thanked for assistance - 2/2/42
Douglas, Lewis W.: Thanked by HMJr for assistance 2/2/42

January sales report - 2/2/42

206
208
211

Comparative statement of sales during November,
December, and January

Unfilled orders, January 15 to date - 2/2/42

Navy program at which check for $1,700,000 is
presented to HMJr - 2/3/42
a) Radio talk by HMJr and Knox - 2/3/42
Defense Savings Stamps: Sales at moving picture
theatres recommended by HMJr - 2/3/42

Post Office sales unsatisfactory to HMJr - 2/3/42
a) Graves' report - 2/6/42 Book 493, page 108

213
215

376,377,380
382

387,390
397

b) Mahan's report - 2/6/42: Book 493, page 110
Foreign Funds Control
General Aniline and Film Corporation:

Bullitt, William C.: Offers assistance to HMJr and
Foley - 2/1/42
Swope, Gerard: HMJr wants Swope to sit in on
conferences; hopes Treasury can work out line of
action very soon - memorandum to Foley - 2/3/42

France: Payments to diplomatic missions in Far East State Department agrees to terminating - 2/3/42
France

See Foreign Funds Control

1

415

416

-G General Aniline and Film Corporation

Book Page

See Foreign Funds Control
Germany

"Voice of the Chief" broadcasts summarized by Kamarck 2/2/42

491

254

a) Sent to Crown Princess Martha - 2/4/42:
See Book 492, page 250

Great Britain
Recent financial developments - Hoflich memorandum 2/2/42

236

-H-

Hardy, Charles O. (Brookings Institution)
See Appointments and Resignations
Hearst, William Randolph
See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds

- MMilitary Reports
Reports from London transmitted by Campbell 2/2-3/42
"Voice of the Chief" broadcasts (Germany) summarized
by Kamarck - 2/2/42

246,251,433
254

-NNavy Department

See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds

-PPowel, Harford
See Appointments and Resignations

-RRevenue Revision

Disney film: Publicity for - 2/2/42

Roosevelt (Franklin D.) Library - Hyde Park, New York
Second annual report - 2/2/42

201,403
171

-SSilver
Uruguay: Federal Reserve Bank of New York memorandum

concerning purchase - 2/3/42

430

- S - (Continued)
Book

Page

491

376,377,380

Speeches by HMJr

Defense Savings Bonds: Navy program at which check

for $1,700,000 is presented to HMJr - 2/3/42
a) Radio talk by HMJr and Knox - 2/3/42

Stabilization Agreements
Resume' - Dietrich memorandum - 2/2/42

382
237

Statements by HMJr

Aid to China:
HMJr's appearance before House Committee on

Foreign Affairs
Draft 1 of testimony - 2/2/42
- 2/3/42
.

2

Reading copy - 2/3/42
a) Papers which HMJr took with him
HMJr's appearance before Senate Committee on

121

293

312
322

Foreign Affairs - 2/5/42: See Book 492, page 273

Swope, Gerard

See Foreign Funds Control: General Aniline and
Film Corporation

-TTreasury Representatives Abroad
Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, and Sweden suggested
by Donovan - Gaston's memorandum to HMJr 2/3/42

410

a) Discussion at 9:30 meeting - 2/4/42:
Book 492, page 27

-U-

Un-American Activities
Foley memorandum concerning Dies' investigation of
Government personnel - 2/2/42
Universal Trading Corporation

161

See China
Uruguay

See Silver

-VViner, Jacob

HMJr again advises staff, including White, to

utilize services - 2/2/42

"Voice of the Chief"
See Germany

72

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February 1, 1942
Mr. Foley

Copy for Diery

The Secretary

Bill Bullitt had lunch with us on Sunday, and after
telling us of his experiences in the Near East, he got on
the question of General Aniline and Dye.
He fished around as to whether I wanted him to stay,

and I said that definitely I hoped he would stay and help
us to clean it up. He said that Foley had asked him to do
the same thing, and he said that he thought the thing ought
to be done very rapidly because O'Connell had told him the

case where American Woolene had called up and wanted to

place a large order with them, and O'Connell had not been

able to give Aniline Dye a clean bill of health 80 they
haven't placed the order. If that went on, why rapidly the
company would disintegrate.

I told him I thought that nobody should get more than
Bullitt could stay as Chairman of the Board, and then we'd
get a first-class operating man to operate the company. I
thought that these enormous fees that they were paying were
a disgrace and that the whole thing would reflect on the
President. He agreed on that.
I told him that Gerard Swope was advising us as to
personnel; 60 as the thing develops, I wish Foley would

$50,000 salary, and that Mack might be made General Counsel,

keep me posted and also keep Mr. Gerard Swope posted.

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February 1, 1942

Sunday at five o'clock, Sir Frederick Phillips called

at the house at my request. He said he had a message for
me, and I said, "Go ahead and give it to me," which he did,
and I would hear from the British Ambassador at Chungking.

On reading it, I was glad that again we were sufficiantly
ahead of the parade and were ready.

I gave him a copy of the joint resolution, which he
wanted so that he could cable it to London. But I told him
that the "whereas" which had to do with the defense of China,
etc., he should leave that sentence out because it was
changed two or three times.

He asked me if as soon as I knew it was going to be
released, would I let him know through Harry White.

I said that when I get ready to leave the Hill, I will

phone Harry White so that he could let Sir Frederick Phillips
know. Phillips wants to get out a statement simultaneously
from London. White ought to let T. V. Soong know at the
same time.

I discussed with Phillips the fact that it looks as
though when the war is over they would sort of cancel the
loan. He said, "No," that they would expect to have it
repaid promptly. I said that I would try to get something
similar in our conditions although we had not discussed
conditions with T. V. Soong, but I expected to see him at

three o'clock on Monday.

Phillips asked me whether it was all right for them
to go ahead with their 30 million pounds. I said, "Yes,"
and that after all that was three timesas much as they offered the Chinese before.

He said he hoped that I didn't mind Lord Halifax's
coming to see me with a question as to whom should bring to
the President's attention that the British wanted us to pay
them cash for the material they bought prior to March 11,
1941. I said that I didn't mind but I was sorry that Churchill
hadn't agreed to send it to the President. However, I said
that I could understand that and I could also understand that
Halifax didn't want to wear out his welcome with the President. I said that my shoulders were broad, and I would try

to carry it, but that it was much more difficult for me to
carry it directly with the President. To prove my point,
there is the copy of the memorandum which I sent to the
President, and I haven't heard from him yet. I then said

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that I felt sure that if either Churchill or Halifax had
I would do the best I can, and I will try to take it up with
sent it it would have carried more weight. However, I said

Phillips on either Tuesday or Wednesday.

MEMORANDUM

In view of further representations from
Government feel that it is essential to send an
immediate reply to the Generalissimo. It is understood that the question of assistance to China is under
the President's consideration.

His Majesty's Ambassador in Chungking, His Majesty's

His Majesty's Government now suggest that

in addition to their supplying munitions on a lend-lease,
of $400 millions,of which, in view of the disparity of
financial resources, the British share would be $120 millions
or b30 millions. The latter sum would be made available
immediately but there would be an unpublished understanding that it would be drawn upon only as required for
expenditure in the sterling area directly required for
basis a joint offer should be made of E combined loan

the war; each item of expenditure being agreed upon
between the two governments with the condition that
any amount that had not been drawn upon at the

conclusion of hostilities would be repaid. The United
States
partconditions.
of the credit would no doubt be mace subject
to similar
His Majesty's Government ask whether the

President would agree that we should at once inform
the Generalissimo that we have made this proposal
to the United States Government.

Washington, D.C.,
February 1, 1942.

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February 1, 1942

Mr. Graves, Mr. Kuhn, Mr. Schwarz
The Secretary

If the figures are in for January, I'd like to have

a carefully prepared statement to give out at my four
o'clock press conference of the results of January sales
of Defense Savings Bonds and Stampe.

Done- Per -

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P

Y

(CONFIDENTIAL)

PARAPHRASE
A strictly confidential telegram no. 24 of February 1,
1942 from the American Commissioner to India reads sub-

stantially as follows:
In response to your inquiry of January 30 regarding
air passage for Mesers. Lattimore and Fox, you are informed
that they departed by Clipper on January 28 from Karachi.

Copy:bj:2-3-42

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RESTRICTED

G-2/2657-220:

No. 618 M.I.D., W.D. 11:00 A.M., February 1, 1942.
SITUATION REPORT

I. Pacific Theater.
Philippines: Several strong enemy thrusts including a night
attack were repelled yesterday. Enemy losses were relatively large.

Corregidor's big guns suddenly concentrated on an enemy force assembling

launches at Ternate, on the south shore of Manila Bay. The surprise
was complete, and the force was destroyed. Hawaii: No further reports

of hostile action. Malaya: The press reports that British withdrawal

to Singapore Island has been completed, and that British reinforcements

have arrived at Singapore. Burma: British are reported to have withdrawn west of the Salween River, evacuating Moulmein. The Japanese

carried out 3 air raids against Rangoon on January 31. Only a few

planes got through to drop leaflets on the city. Australasia: No important change reported. West Coast: No further reports.
II.

Eastern Theater.

Ground: The Russians continue to press the offensive at

various points along the front. (No situation map will be issued this
date.)

Air: The Russians claim to have defeated a division of German
parachute troops that were flown into the Leningrad front from Crete.

III. Western Theater.
Aircraft of the R.A.F. carried out raids against objectives
in Occupied France yesterday.
IV.

Middle Eastern Theater.

Ground: Press releases from British and Axis official
sources indicate sporadic fighting south and west of Maraua. A
sixty-mile advance to the east from Benghazi is claimed by the Axis.
Air: Malta is still under aerial bombardment and both air
forces in Libya are active against ground forces. Aircraft of the
R.A.F. carried out successful raids against motor transports in the
Agedabia region.

RESTRICTED

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February 2, 1942
Harold Graves

Secretary Morgenthau

Please talk to me as soon as possible about
Harford Powel of the Defense Savings Staff. I want
to discuss him with you.

Drawest Kuhn
discussed with
Hojp this morning 1/3/4r-

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February 2, 1942

9:12 a.m.
HMJr:

Peter

Hello, Peter.

Odegard:

Hello.

HMJr:

How are you feeling?

HMJr:

Fine, Mr. Secretary. How are you?
I'm fine. How are you?

O:

Oh, pretty well.

HMJr:

How's your cold?

O:

Oh, it's much better this morning.

HMJr:

This may seem like a very unimportant matter,

O:

but I was - Graves and Kuhn are sitting here and I was asking them to change the title
of one Harford Powel from Director of Information to Consultant, because that's what
I think he is, and he's a Consultant and he
is not in charge, and I wondered if you saw
any good reason why we shouldn't.

0:

No, I don't see any reason, because Harford
hasn't had any administrative direction over
Mahan and the others, 80 far as I can gather.

HMJr:

Uh huh.

0:

But I had some ideas about that whole thing

that I think we probably ought to talk about
sometime.

HMJr:

I see.

HMJr:

It seemed to me that the - that Mr. Houghteling
status probably ought to be re-defined, too.
Well, we - he's no longer Assistant to the

O:

He isn't?

0:

Secretary.

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That was done last week.

HMJr:

No.

O:

Yeah. What is his title now?

HMJr:

O:

(Talks aside) What is his title, Harold?
His payroll title is "Consultant".
Yeah. Well, that was what I was going to
suggest.

HMJr:

Well, that's what it is.

O:

Yeah. Well, I should think the same relation

HMJr:

might be established for Harford.
Good. Well, the reason I called you about

it was because after all, you did bring him
in.

O:

Yeah.

HMJr:

I mean

O:

HMJr:
O:

HMJr:

O:

HMJr:
O:

Well, I'm sure that Harford wouldn't be hurt
at all about that.
He wouldn't?

I shouldn't think so.
Well, I'm sure that Graves can handle it.
But it just bothers me to have a man of his
kind getting the credit in history for
director of this organization.
Yeah.

Because he isn't entitled to it.
No. Well, we really have no Director of
Information excepting Harold Graves.

HMJr:

Except Harold Graves?

O:

Yeah.

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-3HMJr:

Well, I wouldn't call Harold that. I think

O:

Oh, I wouldn't call him that, but I mean

HMJr:

Yeah. Well, we should have.

O:

Oh.

HMJr:

And I think that these days we could get one.

O:

I think we could, too.

HMJr:

I think we could get one these days.

O:

Yeah.

HMJr:

What?

O:

Yeah. I think certainly that a title of

HMJr:

Well, then it's fairly unanimous.

O:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And we'll let it go at that.

he's above that.

actually.

O:

consultant more nearly describes the work
that Harford has been doing.

(Laughs) Well, I - you never tell me how

HMJr:

other people think.
I don't?

O:

No. Until after I've told you what I think.

HMJr:

Well, you don't want me to try to influence
you.

O:

(Laughs) No.

HMJr:

What?

O:

No.

HMJr:

If I said to you, "Graves is absolutely opposed

to this," then - I don't want to color your

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-4thinking. Why I'm surprised at you.
O:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

As a matter of fact, he agreed and 80 did
Kuhn.

O:

Oh.

HMJr:

Before I called you.

O:

HMJr:

Yeah. Well, I would think that.
As I say, I didn't want to do anything.

O:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

Well, thank you.

O:

Well, thank you for calling.

HMJr:

Good-bye.

O:

Good-bye.

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February 2, 1942

Dear Cordell:

Yesterday, at five o'clock, Sir Frederick
Phillips of the British Treasury, called on me and
gave me a memorandum, a copy of which you will find
enclosed herewith.

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) N. Morgenthan. Jr.

Honorable Cordell Hull,

Secretary of State.

Copy to Secretary Jones.

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COPY

MEMORANDUM

In view of further representations from His Majesty's

Ambassador in Chungking, his Majesty's Government feel that

it is essential to send an immediate reply to the Generalissimo.
It is understood that the question of assistance to China is
under the President's consideration.
His Majesty's Government now suggest that in addition

to their supplying munitions on a lend-lease basis a joint

offer should be made of a combined loan of $400 millions, of

which, in view of the disparity of financial resources, the
British share would be$120 millions or 6-30 millions. The

latter sum would be made available immediately but there would
be an unpublished understanding that it would be drawn upon

only as required for expenditure in the sterling area directly
required for the war; each item of expenditure being agreed
upon between the two governments with the condition that any
amount that had not been drawn upon at the conclusion of

hostilities would be repaid. The United States part of the
credit would no doubt be made subject to similar conditions.

His Majesty's Government ask whether the President
would agree that we should at once inform the Generalissimo
that we have made this proposal to the United States Government.

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February 2, 1942
9:20 a.m.

AID TO CHINA

Present: Mr. Bell

Mr. Foley
Mr. White
Mr. Bernstein
Mr. Southard
Mr. Viner
Miss Chauncey

H.M.JR: I have got to go on the Hill this morning,
to Mr. Wallace's office, on this Chinese loan, and I want
Mr. Bell and Mr. White to go with me. I asked for a
copy of this resolution. Have you got one?
MR. FOLEY: Yes, the one with the greatest possible
importance or the way it was-H.M.JR: No, the way-MR. FOLEY: That is the way Jones wants it changed.

This is the way it was for the President.

H.M.JR: No, this way is all right.
MR. FOLEY: Then we will substitute these two.
H.M.JR: Yes. Have you had these photostated?
MR. FOLEY: The letter?
H.M.JR: Yes.

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-2MR. FOLEY: No.

MR. WHITE: I am not very presentable, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: What is the matter with you.

MR. WHITE: I have got a little boil on my nose.
MR. BELL: Where were you Saturday night?

H.M.JR: Just to bring you people up to date, Mr.

T. V. Soong was at my house at a quarter of seven, and
I informed him what we had done in confidence, and then

I sent for Mr. Phillips, Sir Frederick Phillips. He
came to the House last night at five. He had been

anxious to see me, and he said he had something for me

very urgent, which is as follows: "In view of the further

representation from His Majesty's Ambassador in Chungking,

His Majesty's Government feels it is essential to send
an immediate reply to the Generalissmo. It is understood
that the question of assistance to China is under the
President's consideration. His Majesty's Government now
suggests, in addition to their supplying munitions on a
Lend-Lease basis, a joint offer should be made of a
combined loan of four hundred millions, of which, in

view of the disparity of the financial resources, the
British share would be a hundred and twenty millions, or
thirty million pounds. The latter sum would be made
available immediately, but there would be an unpublished
understanding that it be drawn upon only as required for

the expenditure in the sterling area directly required
for the war. Each item of expenditure being agreed upon
between the two Governments with the condition that any
amount that has not been drawn upon at the conclusion of

hostilities would be repaid.

"The United States part of the credit would no doubt
be made subject to similar conditions. His Majesty's

Government asked whether the President would agree that
we should at once inform the Generalissmo that we have
made this proposal to the United States Government.

Well, I told him we were going up on the Hill. I

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-3said as soon as I had left the Hill, we would phone

Phillips so he could phone London, because they want
to get out a statement at the same time we do here, you
see.

I think at the same time we ought to let Soong know,
you see, but the English want to get out a statement from
London, so whatever time - I think we ought to tell them

not to release it for three hours up there so as to give
them a chance to get through to London, you see. Because they have got a clause in here which is a good

one. That is--

MR. WHITE: Give the money back when the war is

over, and they have to spend it during the war, and they
can't spend it during the war.

H.M.JR: I think it is a good clause.

MR. WHITE: I don't. I think it is very niggardly.
If they are going to make any gesture at all, I think
there is no value in that.
MR. VINER: In any case, the limitations ought
to go into the agreement with the Chinese and the
authorization ought to be unlimited.
MR. WHITE: That is right.
Has your answer already been given to Phillips?

H.M.JR: Oh, I told Phillips we would go ahead on
our basis according to what he told us originally, and
they could go ahead on theirs.
MR. WHITE: That was the answer?

H.M.JR: That was the answer.

MR. FOLEY: You see, the legislation provides--

H.M.JR: I - excuse me - I said, "You told us you

were going to give ten million pounds, and we could go

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ahead on ours. Well, we have gone ahead. We are going

to give them the five hundred million. You can go ahead
on yours and give them thirty million if you want to."
He said, "Is that all right for us? Do you recognize
that we can't give as much as you do?" And I said, "Yes,
we recognize it."
MR. WHITE: He called up a couple of times, and I

kept him informed. I said on Saturday that I thought

on Monday there would be some definite progress made,
and we would inform him at once, so he has been informed
right along as much as we could.

H.M.JR: Well, I gave him a copy of the resolution

last night, telling him in cabling to leave out that

"whereas," what we were doing for - to preserve China,

because that was being changed.

Now, what I want in the few minutes that are left
is - either White or Southard, in case they ask me this
morning, "On what basis are you going to make this loan?"

have either of you men got any suggestions?
ment.

MR. WHITE: We have got a draft of a written state-

H.M.JR: Well, I can't read that. Supposing they
say, "Well, on what basis are you going to lend this
money?"

MR. WHITE: I should be inclined to stick very
closely to the "whereases," which indicate that they have
been putting up a splendid fight for four years and
there has been a tremendously heavy financial burden
and it has the - the impact upon their economy has been

naturally progressively severe and until their economic
structure now is very weak, and that this loan should go
a long way toward helping them to--

H.M.JR: Harry, I haven't got the time for the
"whereases. On what basis are we going to lend it?

Are we going to buy yuan, or how the hell are we going

to do it? I haven't got the basis for the spinach.

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MR. WHITE: I don't know as we have given any

thought to it. My own horseback opinion would be that
those are the things that would be worked out later.
H.M.JR: "Well, now, Mr. Morgenthau, you can't
come up here and ask us for five hundred million dollars
unless you have got ideas. How are you going to lend it
to them?"

MR. WHITE: Well, they may want to draw upon some

of it in an effort to support their monetary system.

H.M.JR: "Well, you have got fifty million dollars
in the Stabilization Fund for that."
MR. WHITE: Well, that has rather more restricted
uses. That applies much more to their exchange operations. This here could be used for strengthening their
internal economy.

H.M.JR: How?

MR. BELL: What committee is this?

H.M.JR: This is Wallace, the Speaker, McNary, and

Joe Martin.

MR. BELL: The Republicans, isn't it?
MR. VINER: You might use it as a reserve.
MR. BELL: Do you care to come right out and say,

Well, gentlemen, it is nothing but a political loan"?
H.M.JR: Well, I am going to say it.
MR. BELL: It is the big answer.

H.M.JR: I am going to say, "It is a political and
military loan.
If

MR. WHITE: It is a loan being made for political

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-6and military purposes, but I am wondering as to whether
he doesn't have to have some answer to the question of
how they possibly can use it.
H.M.JR: Have you got it?

MR. VINER: Well, they can use it as a reserve
held over here against their own bond issues or against
their own currency. They can use it in small amounts

over a time in gold and silver or gold or silver, or
even American money.

H.M.JR: How, Jake?

MR. VINER: By taking it into China and selling

the American currency for the Chinese and mopping up
Chinese currency.

H.M.JR: Does that mean we are going to buy
yuan?

MR. VINER: No, no, we wouldn't buy it. They
would buy the yuan with your dollars. You see, they

would buy the yuan away from the Chinese public with

your dollars.

H.M.JR: Well, the President said - I haven't
got on this thing deeply, and I gather no one else
has here either, that against the dollars we loan

them we should have yuan, so at least we would have
something.

MR. WHITE: Mr. Secretary, what we have got is a

21

-7promise for dollars. That yuan isn't going to be

worth very much, and if we take the yuan we may not
have the - we won't have as good a credit as we may

have if they owe us dollars. The reason why I would

like to see you avoid, in so far as possible, stating anything but that it is a political and economic
loan is because we can't do anything--

H.M.JR: Harry, don't argue with me about it. I

have got to have something if they press me.

MR. VINER: That is a drawing credit here. You
will establish a drawing credit - the ways in which
they can make use of it, they still have to work out
with you.

H.M.JR: But the only thing we are going to have

against it is their I.O.U.?

MR. VINER: Not even that, possibly.
MR. WHITE: In some cases you may have yuan.

In some cases you will have the I.O.U.

MR. VINER: And in some cases you will have nothing.
MR. WHITE: You may have nothing. It depends on

what the terms and conditions are that you haven't
worked out yet, because they are in the midst--

MR. VINER: You can tell them up there that you

don't like it any better than they do, but we are in

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a war, and things have to be done.

H.M.JR: Well, the answer is nobody has thought

this thing through yet.

MR. WHITE: Oh, I wouldn't say that, Mr. Secretary.
I have thought it through to the extent where I say
nothing can be done economically and financially.

H.M.JR: Are you just going to let him call up and
say, "I want a hundred million dollars," and have it
transferred to the Chase?

MR. WHITE: Oh, no, I think we would want to set
such conditions as the best we could get under the lend
circumstances.

MR. VINER: Each time, presumably, he would tell

us how he is going to use the next installment, and
then we would turn it over to him as a credit with the

Federal Reserve Banks, or in some other way.

it.

MR. SOUTHARD: You might buy yuan against some of

MR. VINER: You might.
note.

MR. SOUTHARD: In other cases you will take their

MR. WHITE: They may not call on most of it until
after the war, in which case there would be all kinds of
conditions you could set on it.
MR. FOLEY: The bill, Mr. Secretary, is very

flexible, and it states, at such time or times, and

upon such terms or conditions" as you prescribe, and
you get the best terms you can.

MR. VINER: That is the thing to tell them.
MR. FOLEY: You are not going to give it to them

all at once, and each time you make an advance to them

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you get the best terms you can in the light of the
circumstances.

H.M.JR: Well, have we crossed that bridge, we are

not going to give it to them all at once?
MR. WHITE: No, I don't think we have, but I
think in our own minds --

MR. VINER: But you can say you will make the best

terms you can.

MR. FOLEY: You don't have to give it to them all

at once.

H.M.JR: After listening to you fellows, I haven't
got any help, no help at all.
MR. BERNSTEIN: Can I suggest a possible approach,

that since this is a military and political loan,
it will have its greatest beneficial effect, the fewer

conditions that you apply? You know, however, that they
probably can't use the whole five hundred millionoat any one
time, and you are going to keep watching it to see that
they don't go out of bounds.
MR. VINER: But don't make any pledges as to how

you are going to use it.

H.M.JR: That is the point, any pledge I make this
morning, I have got to keep.
MR. VINER: But don't make any pledges. Say it is
a political loan, and you musn't have your hands tied.
If they ask you to give them a pledge, say you would have

to take it up with the President, because it might nullify
the whole purpose of the loan.

MR. WHITE: You are making it for military and po-

litical purposes.

H.M.JR: Let's not prolong the agony. You are not
ready yet to advise me how the thing should be written

out.

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- 10 MR. WHITE: Definitely not.

H.M.JR: Well, that is -MR. VINER: You can't, because you have to talk

to them and give them the - as little as possible.
far.

H.M.JR: Then let's say no one here has gone that
MR. SOUTHARD: You could make a list of all the

possibilities and bases, but they might interpret
those as being - you might make a list of all the

possible technical means by which dollars could be

made available, but they might interpret that on the
Hill as being your promise of the particular ways in
which it would be done. It is yuan and silver and gold.
H.M.JR: You fellows had better get busy this

morning and work on it.

MR. VINER: There is nothing more to be done.

H.M.JR: You had better, while I am up on the Hill,

get busy and have something for me at three o'clock, when
T.V. Soong comes in here. He is coming in at three
o'clock.
MR. WHITE: We could do that anyway --

MR. VINER: Can't -want.

MR. WHITE: The thing to do is ask what terms they
MR. VINER: Mr. Secretary, if we give them a range

of possibilities, he will pick out the easiest and the

best.

H.M.JR: I am going to ask him this time.
MR. WHITE: They will be stuck worse than we will
as to what to use the money for.

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25

H.M.JR: I made the mistake before of making sug-

gestions. Now I will let him make one. Listen, there
is one thing that is bothering me. I have got all
these letters from the President to Wallace and the
Speaker, and we have got a resolution, and I haven't

sent a damn thing to the Director of the Budget. Don't
you think it would be a nice thing to call him up and
say I am going up on the Hill so he doesn't read about
it in the paper?
MR. BELL: He ought to know about it. When is it
coming out in the press?
H.M.JR: Maybe at noon.

MR. VINER: One of these letters says you are

going to inform the Bureau of the Budget. The letter
up to the Hill says that, doesn't it? It says that
there wasn't --

H.M.JR: I didn't read it.
MR. BELL: I think he ought to be told. This,
I take it, is just an informal meeting this morning.
H.M.JR: To get a clearance.

MR. BELL: With this group. Now, when the bill

is introduced, where do you go? Do you have to go to
some committee and defend it?

H.M.JR: I think it is Appropriations.
MR. BELL: Then it is legislative also.
H.M.JR: I don't know.
MR. FOLEY: Well, it is legislative, Dan, but the
appropriation is made in the legislation, so I should
think -MR..BELL: You have to have a rule, then.

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bill.

MR.

26

FOLEY: No, it is a special bill, not a general

MR. BELL: But you have to have a rule in the House.
MR. FOLEY: Well, we can get a rule.

H.M.JR: Have you got your overcoat in here, Harry?
You had better get it.
MR. BELL: Then you would have to have these pur-

poses that you are talking about when you go before that
committee. I think you have got to give more than just

political.

H.M.JR: But not necessarily this morning.
MR. BELL: Not today, no.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with

Mr. Blandford, of the Bureau of the Budget, as follows:)

27
February 2, 1942
9:38 a.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

John B.

Blanford,
Jr:

Hello, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

How are you?

B:

Fine, thanks.

HMJr:

Mr. Blanford, I gather the Director of the

B:

Budget is out.
Juet for the moment.

HMJr:

Well, if you could give him this message.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Mr. Hull and I brought up at Cabinet the question
of a loan to China.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Based on military and political necessities.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And we recommended five hundred million dollars.

B:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And then we met with the President around noon -

B:

HMJr:

Mr. Jones and I - because Mr. Hull is sick
Uh huh.

and the President has signed letters to the

Vice-President and to the Speaker recommending

this. Hello.
B:

HMJr:

Yeah. Vice-President and the Speaker.

Yeah. We're going to - we have letters. Now,
we're going up on the Hill this morning to meet

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with the Vice-President and the Speaker, and
also the two minority leaders, Mr. Jones and I
and the people from my office.
B:

HMJr:

Yeah.

And with the hope that they'11 release the
President's letter, because both Mr. Hull and

B:

Mr. Stimson - from political and military angles are very, very anxious that it get out at once.
Yeah. That'11 require legislation, won't it?

HMJr:

Yes.

B:

HMJr:

We've had such a proposal knocking around here
in Lend-Lease language, too, Mr. Secretary.

Yes. Well, the President - I have a signed letter
from the President, you see. I'm having it photostated.

B:

HMJr:

B:

Yeah.

And after we come down from the Hill, Mr. Bell
will send you over everything that we've got.
Fine.

HMJr:

And I'd appreciate your cooperation, but this has
been a sort of a shotgun affair.

B:

Very good.

HMJr:

So we haven't had time to do the normal thing.

B:

All right.

HMJr:

But it happened over the week-end, and I wish you'd

B:

I'll do it.

HMJr:

And when we come down from the Hill, Mr. Bell will

B:

Good. Thank you.

HMJr:

Thank you.

B:

All right, sir.

explain it to Mr. Smith.

give you everything that I've got.

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- 13 H.M.JR: Now, you (Miss Chauncey) write a letter

to the Secretary of State. "Dear Cordell: Yesterday
at five o'clock Sir Frederick Phillips of the British

Embassy called on me and gave me the following" - "gave
me a memorandum, a copy of which you will find enclosed

herewith." And when I come back, I will sign it.

MR. WHITE: Don't you want to tell him what you

answered to him?

H.M.JR: No, I haven't got time.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Mr. Jesse Jones, as follows:)

30
February 2, 1942
9:40 a.m.

Jesse

Jones:

Yes.

HMJr:

Yes, Jesse.

J:

HMJr:

Have you got the Hull letter? To the President?
The Hull letter?

J:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Wait
a minute. (Talks aside) Have we got the
Hull letter?
No. We were counting on you for that.

J:

Well, I was just trying to get it located. I

talked to the Secretary last night. He signed
it and sent it down to the President, 80 I got
hold of Rudolph trying to get him to find it.

HMJr:

No, I've got Knox' and Stimson's.

J:

Okay.

HMJr:

And the President's.

J:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Hull was your baby.

J:

Yeah. Well, he's signed, but I haven't located
the letter yet.

HMJr:

I see.

J:

I'll meet you at ten o'clock.

HMJr:

Attaboy.

J:

All right.

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H.M.JR: He hasn't got Hull's letter. Hull sent
it to the White House, but we did it differently.
MR. FOLEY: You don't need Hull's letter this
morning, do you?

MR. WHITE: Oh, yes.

H.M. JR: No, Jones said, and I think he is right,
that those letters should be saved for the committee.
MR. FOLEY: That is right.

H.M.JR: And just the President's letters -MR. FOLEY: That is enough, and the bill.

H.M.JR: And the resolution to be released.
MR. WHITE: No, but you intend to show it to them,

don't you?

MR. FOLEY: When you go before the committee.

MR. VINER: You can say that you have the letters.

H.M.JR: They sat up all night drafting those
letters. Now, where are my - the copies of those
things?

MR. BELL: Stephens is still out. I take it he

is staying down there with them.

natused
JOINT RESOLUTION

To authorize the President of the United
States to render financial aid to China,
and for other purposes.

fk

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HN

WHEREAS China has for more than four years valiantly

resisted the forces of Japanese aggression; and
WHEREAS financial and economic aid to China will

increase her ability to oppose the forces of aggression; and
WHEREAS the defense of China is vital to the defense

of the United States: Therefore be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives

of the United States in Congress assembled, That the
Secretary of the Treasury with the approval of the President

is hereby authorized, on behalf of the United States, to loan

or extend credit or give other financial aid to China in an
amount not to exceed in the aggregate $500,000,000 at such

time or times and upon such terms and conditions as the

Secretary of the Treasury with the approval of the President

shall deem in the interest of the United States.

Sec. 2. The authority herein granted shall be in
addition to any other authority provided by law.
Sec. 3. There is hereby appropriated out of any money
in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, such sum or sums
not to exceed $500,000,000 as may be necessary to carry out

the provisions of this Joint Resolution.

33
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

My dear Mr. Speaker:

Responsible officials both of this Govern-

ment and of the Government of China, have brought

to my attention the existence of urgent need for
the immediate extension to China of economic
and financial assistance, going beyond in amount

and different in form from such aid as Congress

has already authorized. I believe that such additional assistance would serve to strengthen
China's position as regards both her internal
economy and her capacity in general to function
with great military effectiveness in our common
effort.
I urge, therefore, the passage by Congress of

appropriate legislation to this effect and attach
hereto a suggested draft of a joint resolution which

would accomplish this purpose.

Sincerely yours,

finance
The Honorable,

The Speaker of the House of Representatives.

34
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

My dear Mr. Vice President:

Responsible officials both of this Government and of the Government of China, have brought
to my attention the existence of urgent need for
the immediate extension to China of economic

and financial assistance, going beyond in amount
and different in form from such aid as Congress

has already authorized. I believe that such additional assistance would serve to strengthen
China's position as regards both her internal

economy and her capacity in general to function
with
great military effectiveness in our common
effort.

I urge, therefore, the passage by Congress of

appropriate legislation to this effect and attach
hereto a suggested draft of a joint resolution which
would accomplish this purpose.

Sincerely yours,

The Honorable,

The Vice President of the United States.

1

JOINT RESOLUTION

35

To authorize the President of the
United States to render financial
aid to China, and for other purposes.
MREREAS China has for more than four years valiantly

resisted the forces of Japanese aggression; and
WHEREAS financial and economic aid to China will increase

her ability to oppose the forces of aggression; and
WHEREAS the defense of China is of the greatest possible

importance: Therefore be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives

of the United States in Congress assembled, That the Secretary

of the Treasury with the approval of the President is hereby
authorized, on behalf of the United States, to loan or extend

credit or give other financial aid to China in an amount not
to exceed in the aggregate $500,000,000 at such time or
times and upon such terms and conditions as the Secretary of

the Treasury with the approval of the President shall deem

in the interest of the United States.
Sec. 2. The authority herein granted shall be in
addition to any other authority provided by law.
Sec. 3. There is hereby appropriated out of any money
in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, such sum or sums
not to exceed $500,000,000 as may be necessary to carry out

the provisions of this Joint Resolution.

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WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

January 31st, 1942.

My dear Mr. President:

The confidential information which has been
coming to me during the past few weeks indicates that

the difficult economic and financial situation within
China is impairing her military effort.
Our information indicates further that substantial financial aid must be given to China quickly

if we are to have assurance that recent and prospective
military developments will not too seriously weaken the
morale of the Chinese people.

Any substantial financial help that can be
given to China at this time can not but help strengthen
her striking power.
I therefore urge for your consideration that
the financial assistance which I am informed the
Generalissimo is requesting be granted expeditiously.
Faithfully,

The President,
The White House.

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THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

My dear Mr. President:

I refer to the urgent request which this
Kai-shek to help him, by financial assistance, to
maintain more effectively the morale of the
Chinese people. Recent military developments in
the Pacific and difficult economic and financial
conditions in China have made necessary remedial
action of a substantial character.
The military operations which the armies of

Government has received from Generalissimo Chiang

China under the Generalissimo are carrying on and
are planning to carry on are of extreme importance

to us. It would be very unfortunate if we were to
overlook any possibility of checking the impairment of China's morale resulting from the growing
internal difficulties in China. I am convinced
that the financial assistance which the Generalissimo has requested would make an effective contribution to the maintenance of China's morale and
military strength.
I strongly recommend, therefore, that we should
grant the Generalissimo's request without delay.
Faithfully,

The President,
The White House.

Frank St nor

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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

Dear Mr. President:

I refer to Goneralissimo Chiang Kai-Shek's request
for an immediate credit to China of $500,000,000 to

assist him in China's prosecution of the war.

China is now in her fifth year of war against
aggression and has had to draw very heavily upon her
own resources. Certain loans have been made to China
through the Federal Loan Agency, mostly in connection

with the purchase of strategic materials. These loans
have been used to buy supplies in this country, but
China now needs cash to be used within, or from within,
its own borders, and I strongly recommend that you ask

Congress to authorize loans, or credits, or both, to
China up to ¥500,000,000. The brilliant resistance to
aggression which the Chinese have made and are making,

and their contribution to the common cause, deserve the

fullest support we can give.
Sincerely yours,
The
President, The White House.

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February 2, 1942
10:55 a.m.

AID TO CHINA

Present: Mr. White

Mr. Foley

Mr. Bell

Miss Chauncey

H.M.JR: Sit down, gentlemen.
I will call T.V. Soong and the Russian Ambassador.
(Miss Chauncey entered the conference.)
MR. BELL: How about Phillips?

H.M.JR: I called him from the Hill.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
T.V. Soong, as follows:)

40
February 2, 1942

10:48 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Dr. Soong.

HMJr:

Hello.

T. V.
Soong:
HMJr:

Hello, Mr. Secretary.

Hello, Dr. Soong. I thought you'd like to know
that at twelve o 'clock the Speaker of the House
is going to release this request from the President
to the newspapers for five hundred million dollars.

S:

Yeah. Good. Good.

HMJr:

So that's that.

S:

Yeah.

HMJr:

But it will not be released until twelve o'clock.

S:

Very good. When would you want me to come, three
o' 'clock?

HMJr:

Three o'clock.

S:

Very good.

HMJr:

Thank you.

S:

Thank you very much for calling me.

HMJr:

Thank you.

41

-2H.M.JR: Now, if you (Miss Chauncey) will write a
letter to Dr. Soong, and one to the Russian Ambassador,

and one to Phillips. It ought to be done fairly

promptly in each case.

"Gentlemen: I am enclosing herewith for your

confidential information a copy of the resolution
which will be introduced at twelve o'clock by the
Speaker of the House."

MR. WHITE: The form may change. They haven't

definitely decided on the form.

H.M.JR: Well, they have asked for a copy.
MR. BELL: "A copy of the resolution covering the loan

to China."

H.M.JR: How does it read?
MISS CHAUNCEY: "I am enclosing herewith for your

confidential information a copy of a resolution covering
a loan to China which will be introduced at twelve o'clock"
MR. FOLEY: "In substantially this form."
MISS CHAUNCEY: "Which will be introduced in sub-

stantially this form at twelve o'clock today by the

Speaker of the House."

H.M.JR: "Will be introduced by the Speaker"?
MR. FOLEY: No, he will have whoever is chairman of

the committee that they select do it. It will probably

be introduced by Sol Bloom.

H.M.JR: Well, "will be introduced" -MR. FOLEY: "Laid before the House today by the

Speaker in substantially this form."

H.M.JR: That is right. How have you got it there?

42

-3MISS CHAUNCEY: "I am enclosing herewith for your

confidential information a copy of a resolution which will
be laid before the House today in substantially this
form" --

MR. FOLEY: "By the Speaker."

MR. WHITE: You left out a phrase there.
MISS CHAUNCEY: "Covering loan to China"?

MR. WHITE: That is right.
H.M.JR: Now how have you got it?
MISS CHAUNCEY: "I am enclosing herewith foreyour con-

fidential information a copy of a resolution covering
a loan to China, which will be laid before the House
today in substantially this form by the Speaker."

H.M.JR: O.K., get it under way so it will get to

them before twelve.

MR. FOLEY: "Laid before the House by the Speaker

at noon today in substantially this form.

H.M.JR: What did you say, Ed? You keep changing
it every two minutes.
MR. FOLEY: She had the Speaker in the wrong place,
Mr. Secretary.

H.M.JR: I mean, you fellows - if you are going to
get it there at twelve o'clock, you have got to do
these things. I mean, I can't work this way.
MR. FOLEY: All right.

H.M.JR: I mean, if you are going to change it,
we might as well not send it. I mean, I am under - I
worked right straight through Saturday and Sunday.

43

-4MR. WHITE: Has Hull been notified?
(Miss Chauncey left the conference.)

H.M.JR: Let the great Jesse do that. I am not
going to be worried about it. Would you, Dan?
MR. BELL: Well --

MR. WHITE: Not necessarily. It is your ball from

now on.

MR. BELL: You are sort of carrying the ball.

Do you want me to do it?

H.M.JR: No, no. You mean Hull?

MR. BELL: You are sort of going to carry the ball.

Jesse might think he was butting in.

MR. WHITE: The way the bill is drafted, it is
really your ball.
H.M.JR: Well, I can do that.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Ambassador Litvinof, as follows:)

43

-4MR. WHITE: Has Hull been notified?
(Miss Chauncey left the conference.)

H.M.JR: Let the great Jesse do that. I am not
going to be worried about it. Would you, Dan?
MR. BELL: Well --

MR. WHITE: Not necessarily. It is your ball from

now on.

MR. BELL: You are sort of carrying the ball.

Do you want me to do it?

H.M.JR: No, no. You mean Hull?

MR. BELL: You are sort of going to carry the ball.

Jesse might think he was butting in.

MR. WHITE: The way the bill is drafted, it is
really your ball.
H.M.JR: Well, I can do that.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Ambassador Litvinof, as follows:)

44
February 2, 1942

10:58 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Go ahead.

HMJr:

Hello.

Ambassador

Litvinov: Yes.
HMJr:

Mr. Ambassador.

L:

How are you, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

That's right.

L:

Good morning.

HMJr:

Good morning.

L:

I thought you'd like to know this in confidence,
that at twelve o'clock we're having introduced
in the House of Congress, a request for a loan
to China for five hundred million dollars.

L:

I have had no reply to my cable.

HMJr:

What's that?

L:

I've had no reply to my cable.

HMJr:

You have not?

L:

None as yet

HMJr:

Well

L:

It was embarrassing.

HMJr:

I see. Well, we've decided to go ahead with
it.

L:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

And I'm sending you by hand a copy of the resolution.

L:

Yes.

Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary.

-2HMJr:

L:

HMJr:
L:

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But we're not - it'11 not be given out to the
newspapers until twelve o' clock.

Uh huh. That's half of what they asked for.
No, that's all they asked us for.
Why I thought they asked you for a billion
dollars.

HMJr:

Yes. Half from us, and half from the English.

L:

Oh, I see.

HMJr:

The English will make their own announcement from

London.
L:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

They're going to do something also.

L:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

Yes.

L:

Thank you very much.

HMJr:

You're welcome.

L:

I will give you a copy of the reply from my

government when I receive it.
HMJr:

Well, if you get it, I'd like to see it.

L:

Yes.

HMJr:

If you get a reply, I'd like to see it.
All right.

L:

HMJr:

Thank you.

L:

Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

Thank you.

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-5(Mrs. McHugh entered the conference.)

H.M.JR: You (Mrs. McHugh) write a letter to Mr.

Hull and Jesse Jones --

(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with

Mr. Cordell Hull, as follows:)

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February 2, 1942
11:00 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Secretary
Hull:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Cordell, has Jesse called you to let you know

what happened on the Hill?
H:

No.

HMJr:

Well, we've just come back, and they received
us very well and the Speaker's arranging to
have the resolution introduced at noon today.

H:

HMJr:

Oh, that's fine.
And
he doesn't think he's going to have any
trouble.

H:

He oughtn't to.

HMJr:

Charlie McNary said he was for it. Joe Martin

wasn't there. They had somebody else
H:

Who?

HMJr:

A man by the name of Mischner or Mishner.

H:

Oh, Michener of Michigan.

HMJr:

And he kept talking all the time about something
that Dean Acheson had said about scrap iron, or -

I don't know. I couldn't make head or tail out
of
it.

H:

Well, he's a little, narrow, city politician,
you know.

HMJr:

Well, he talked that way.

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

But he said he'd go along, but he kept talking

were we going to do for China what we've done

for Japan. I couldn't make head or tail of it.

48

-2H:

Oh, a little cheap political stuff. You see,

here's something, Henry, that bears a little
fruit. Back all last spring when I was being
urged to - over there - to freeze everything
in Japan

HMJr:
H:

Yeah.

she had twice the fighting naval strength
in the Pacific that we had under our plan to

take half of it out

HMJr:

Yeah.

to help Britain, and we had information -

H:

very reliable - in January - that Hitler would

attack Russia in June.
HMJr:

Yeah.

H:

And I told the Russians that and got nothing but

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:

a cussing out.
I see.

And now if we had gone in there with what in
those circumstances would have been an aggravated
act of war
Yeah.

with Japan's finger on the trigger of her
navy and Germany ordering her to go forward and
all her war leaders urging her to go forward,
why we could awful easily have gotten hooked
there in her fight
Yeah.

last spring.

H:

HMJr:
H:

Yes.

That would have meant that Hitler wouldn't have
even remotely thought about attacking Russia in
the summer.

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HMJr:

I see.

H:

Now that was - nobody knows that, but that's a

tremendous factor in all those difficult evolutions
that we had to - that the President and I had to

go through with
HMJr:

I see.

in handling that thing. And that is why we're

H:

so far above these smarter things, you know, that
of course, we can't go out and make it very public

yet.
HMJr:
H:

Yes.

But I just - in a private meeting, you could
let the fellows see the breadth of the matter.

HMJr:

Well, I think that that's something that you could
do much better than I can, because they'11 undoubtedly expect you to testify.

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

You did a swell job on that other - the time we

H:

HMJr:
H:

went up on the fifty million dollars for China.
Well, that's no sign of what a fellow would do
later, but
Well, it'11
Anyhow, I'm trying to get rid of the grippe and
cold and a lot of other things at the same time,

and as soon as I can function why I'11 be delighted
to go anywhere.

HMJr:

Well, I think it would be most important for them
to hear from you, because they'11 expect it. Are
you home now?

H:

No, I ran down here this morning.

HMJr:

Well, take care of yourself. The thing is going along

H:

But I'm going home this afternoon.

-4HMJr:

Yeah. Well, take care of yourself.

H:

Anyhow, I'11 keep in touch with you.

HMJr:

And I'11 do the same.

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Thank you.

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-6-

H.M.JR: It is really pitiful.
MR. WHITE: I couldn't understand him.
H.M.JR. You couldn't hear him?

MR. WHITE: I heard him, but I - it didn't make

continuity.

MR. FOLEY: He was trying to make some justification for what they had done to Japan, why they sent
oil and scrap.

H.M.JR: What he was trying to say was that if we

had tightened up on Japan, then Germany would never
have attacked Russia.

MR. FOLEY: That is it.
H.M.JR: That is a new one.

MR. WHITE: He is still in the same frame of mind,

justifying his --

MR. FOLEY: Justifying everything he did.
MR. WHITE: The thing that is uppermost --

H.M.JR: When I said scrap iron, he said - at least
that is what I gathered.
MR. FOLEY: That is right.

H.M.JR: That is what he was trying to do. If he

had tightened up then Japan would have attacked us and
Germany never would have attacked Russia.

MR. WHITE: It is a fairy story, to me.
H.M.JR: What?

MR. WHITE: It sounds like a fairy story to me.

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H.M.JR: It is a new one to me. This is a letter

to Mr. Hull, Mr. Stimson, Mr. Knox, and Mr. Jones. In
each case, "I am enclosing herewith" - well, to Mr. Hull

it will be, "I am enclosing herewith a photostat of
Mr. Stimson's and Mr. Knox's letter to the President
for your records," you see, and then to Stimson you
can give him Hull's and Knox's letter, and to Knox

you will give him Stimson's and Hull's letter, and to
Jesse Jones, you give all three.

MR. BELL: Have they got the President's letter?
MR. WHITE: Stimson returned it. We will want

to enclose it. I don't think he has a copy.

H.M.JR: Then why not give them in each case a

copy of the President's letter? What?

MR. WHITE: And doesn't the President have to have

the original? They are to him.

H.M.JR: We will see about the President. We

will take care of him later on. We will hang on to
those for the time being. And I think I would send a
complete set to the Director of the Budget, and also
the President's letter to the Vice-President on this
Chinese matter, you see.

MR. WHITE: Is it necessary to mention in any of

the letters the confidential nature of the letters,
other than the President's letter?

H.M.JR: No. Now, that supplies the Director
of the Budget. Anybody else around town? Do you think
we ought to send a set over to Steve Early?
MR. BELL: Well, I don't know. You are not going
to ask him to comment on it for the present?
H.M.JR: No. I think maybe we had better not.
MR. WHITE: He might release them. Has he got the

President's letter and a copy of the resolution, if you
expect him to release something?

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53

H.M.JR: Oh, he isn't going to release anything,

Harry. I just wanted to tell him what is going to

happen so he doesn't say, "Well, why don't somebody

tell me about this?"

MR. FOLEY: I think it is enough just to tell him.
H.M.JR: Now --

MR. BELL: I think I would say in the letter to the

Director of the Budget, "The letter from the Secretaries
of War and Navy are of course confidential."
MR. WHITE: And State.

MR. BELL: Was that true? I didn't see the Sec-

retary of State's letter.

MR. WHITE: I didn't either, but if it isn't that
kind of a letter -H.M.JR: Why not say to each one in turn, "Of
course these letters are confidential?" What harm
can it do.

MR. BELL: That certainly would be better protection.
H.M.JR: Why not say, "I am sending you these for
your confidential information"?

MR. BELL: Yes, that is right.

H.M.JR: I want to get rid of all of this stuff.

These are various drafts. Here is one for you, Harry.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Mr. Stephen Early as follows:)

54
February 2, 1942
11:05 a.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Early has a newspaper man with him, and

Operator:

he'd like to wait until he leaves.
Well, tell him not too long.
All right.

HMJr:

Not too long.

Operator:

All right, I'll tell him.

HMJr:

55
February 2, 1942
11:09 a.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Early.

HMJr:

Hello.

Stephen J.
Early:

Yes, Henry. How are you?

HMJr:

Fine. How are you?

E:

All right, sir.

HMJr:

On the chance that you may not know what I'm

going to tell you, I thought I'd better call

you up; and if you do know, why just tell me
80.
E:

HMJr:

E:

HMJr:

Yes.

Saturday noon the President - Jones and I went
over to see the President because Hull was sick.

Yes, I know of that meeting.
And the President signed letters to the VicePresident and the Speaker asking for five hundred

million dollars for China.

E:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

Now, Jesse and I and my boys went up, and we

had a meeting there at which Barkley was present
and Charlie McNary

E:

HMJr:

Uh huh.

and somebody pinch-hitting for Joe Martin.

E:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

A fellow from Michigan, Michener.

E:

Yes. That's right.

HMJr:

And they all agreed that they'd go ahead, and

56

-2the Speaker's having it introduced at noon.
E:

HMJr:

Uh huh.

And he's going to introduce - release at that
time the President's letter, to him.

E:

Good.

HMJr:

See?

E:

Good.

HMJr:
E:

Now, is that all right?
Yes, perfect. And thanks a lot for telling me.

HMJr:

Anything - any loopholes there?

E:

No, it's quite all right. That's all right.

HMJr:

You saved my face by telling me, though.
Well, you can do that to me.

E:

Yeah. Well, I will.

HMJr:

All right. It's easier for you to do it.

E:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

Now, one other thing while I have you. The VicePresident showed me the letter from you to Cabinet
and heads of departments

E:

HMJr:

Yeah.

about

E:

About the speeches.

HMJr:

Yeah, fine. And somebody up there said, "Well,
this doesn't include Marriner Eccles."

E:

Well, by God, he doesn't make a speech, does he?

HMJr:

He makes one once a week.

E:

He does?

57
- 3- HMJr:

Yeah. Some of them are terrible.

Well, I'11 just send him one.
HMJr:

Would you do that?

E:

Sure.

HMJr:

It would make my life sweeter.

E:

Sure. Well, yes, Henry, I'11 send him one;
because I didn't put him on the list because

he heads up a more or less independent shop
up there in Federal Reserve.
HMJr:

Well, his - some of his speeches cut across

E:

Well, I'll put him right on. He'11 get it

the President and me more than any others.

today.

HMJr:

Wonderful.

E:

right, sir.

HMJr:

Thank you.

E:

Now, Henry.

HMJr:

Yeah.

E:

This is a loan, is it?

HMJr:

Yeah, this is a loan.

E:

Well.

HMJr:

And they 're going to give it to the press rather, release it - however they do that on
the Hill - at noon.

E:

Yeah. The Speaker'11 handle it.

HMJr:

Yeah.

E:

All right. Thank you very much.

HMJr:

Thank you.

E:

Good-bye.

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H.M.JR: Now, any suggestions?

MR. WHITE: I have one comment. I think this sentence is - only the British Government would dare do

this. "The United States part of the credit would no
doubt be made subject to similar conditions." They are
setting conditions for the loan that we are making without discussing it with us. If we could only utilize
the brass that they have in some of our industry, I
think there wouldn't be any shortage.
H.M.JR: Anything else?

MR. WHITE: No, everything is taken care of.
H.M.JR: Ed, any suggestions?
MR. FOLEY: No.

H.M.JR: Dan?

MR. BELL: No, sir.

MR. WHITE: With your permission, I will just keep
Berle informed. I said I would.

H.M.JR: I think that would be good. If you don't
mind, I would like to call up Berle and thank him for
getting after Jones.
MR. WHITE: It would be very nice. I don't know
whether he did, but it would be very nice. He would
appreciate it, since he is in the doghouse.
MR. FOLEY: Is he in the doghouse?

MR..WHITE: Well, sort of.
H.M.JR: He is, as far as Harry is concerned, because

I have always treated him beautifully.

(Mrs. McHugh left the conference).

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- 10 -

MR. WHITE: Is it your thought - I imagine it is -

that you want a prepared statement, as in the past?

H.M.JR: That is right.
MR. WHITE: Herbert Feis expressed himself - I
don't know who he was talking for - he said they very
much do not want this matter to come before the Foreign
Relations Committee of the Senate.

H.M.JR: Well, that is very nice of Herbert Feis.
Now, I think that when T. V. Soong comes in this afternoon that we ask him for suggestions. I think that is
a good plan, We will say, "Now, Mr. Soong, what ideas

have you got?"

MR. WHITE: Or what ideas has his Government got,

and that will give him a chance to get them, and 80 on.
(Miss Chauncey entered the conference.)

H.M.JR: That letter to Soong is all right. (Laughter)

What are you laughing at?

MR. FOLEY: She has got the Speaker in the right place.

H.M.JR: They wouldn't know the difference. You
had better send these by three different messengers, so

that they will get it.

MISS CHAUNCEY: All right.

H.M.JR: Thank you very much.

(Miss Chauncey left the conference).

H.M.JR: No, I think that the thing is to ask him don't you - ask him that - you know-MR. BELL: If he has some ideas?

MR. WHITE: Maybe before the bill passes it might

be better to merely tell them to be thinking about it.

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n case the bill does pass we will want to go into the
matter very carefully. Otherwise, you are almost
committing yourself before it passes. I suppose it will
pass, but he might talk in such terms with his own
Government as to make them assume it is already

passed.

H.M.JR: No, I want to say, "How are you going to

use this?" and all the rest.

MR. BELL: I think he ought to say it before the

Secretary appears before the committee, and he hasn't

got time, I don't believe, to get word back from China.
MR. WHITE: Well, he can submit a tentative memorandum.

H.M.JR: Did I give each of you a copy of Sir
Frederick Phillips'?
MR. FOLEY: Yes.

H.M.JR: Well now, Dan, the other thing is this.
As soon as we get out of this for air, then I want to
start with you men on the so-calle d Lend-Lease in

reverse, but we will clean this up first, you see.

Then we will do Lend-Lease in reverse.

MR. BELL: I got your memorandum on that thing.
You asked how are we buying sterling. Well, the

dollars I am putting over there is buying the ster-

ling. That is the way that is working.

H.M.JR: Did you get my memorandum that Viner
suggested Hardy as an addition to George Haas's
staff?
MR. BELL: Recently?

H.M.JR: Friday or Saturday.

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- 12 MR. BELL: I haven't seen it this morning.
H.M.JR: Have you got any opinion on Hardy?

MR. BELL: No, I haven't at all.
H.M.JR: Do you know him?

MR. BELL: I don't know him. I met him, but I

don't know anything about him. Jake brought him here,
you remember, for that banking study, and I haven't very
much use for Brookings, but he says he doesn't agree
with the Brookings crowd at all.
MR. WHITE: He has been there nine years.

MR. BELL: He says he doesn't agree with the crowd
over there.
H.M.JR: What do you think, Harry?

MR. WHITE: I think he is a second-rater. I don't
know. If George wants him - he is a whole lot better
than a lot of other men around town, but I am sure he
can also get a better man, and his connections with
Brookings, I think, are something to be avoided here.

MR. BELL: They never give up their connections.
They are always utilizing Brookings as a sort of extra
governmental agency to put out things as though they
are speaking for the Government. They have a lot of

prestige. I think it is unfortunate to have them have
a channel there.

(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with

Mr. Berle as follows:)

62
February 2, 1942

11:19 a.m.
HMJr:

Adolf A.

Hello.

Berle:

Hello, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

Hello.

B:

HMJr:

B:

I think we're all set, unless something's

happened that I don't know about.

Well, we just came back down off the Hill.

I don't know if anybody's told you that.
No, sir. They haven't.

HMJr:

Well, Jones and I and my own people were on the

B:

Yes.

HMJr:

And we met with the Vice-President and the

Hill.

Speaker and Charlie McNary and Barkley and

somebody substituting for Joe Martin, and

it's all right.
B:

Fine.

HMJr:

And they're going to introduce it at noon, and

I just wanted to thank you, for I gather that

you must have gotten after Jesse Jones.
B:

I did.

HMJr:

Well, I wanted to thank you for the help on
that.

B:

Not at all, sir. Thank you for your help. I'm
very glad. I'm sorry the earlier idea which
you worked out didn't worry you. Let me say

now I was worried a little fearing that you
thought that we'd been unfriendly to the idea.

We were skeptical as to whether the Generalissimo
would be, but if it worked we were very happy
about it.
HMJr:

Well, it

-2B:

HMJr:

B:

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We rather wondered whether he'd like it, but in fact, Stanley Hornbeck thought he probably
wouldn't, and as you know he didn't; but as far
as we're concerned, if it could have been worked
out that way, we're all happy.

Well, two other men liked it enthusiastically
by the name of Roosevelt and Churchill; but the
Generalissimo
80 that's that. didn't, and it's to please him,

So that's that. Well, I suppose it is a little

bit funny to have a foreign government acting as
paymaster for your Army in a foreign currency.
I suppose if the situation were reversed we might

feel funny about it. However, that's his business
and not ours and the political result is the main
thing.

HMJr:

Well, anyway they liked it on the Hill, and I
just wanted to thank you for what I felt that
you had done with Jones.

B:

Well, we have done that, and I'm infinitely
obliged to you for your help in a matter that

I think is of great interest to all of us.

HMJr:

Righto.

B:

Thank you, sir.

HMJr:

Good-bye.

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- 13 H.M.JR: They told me the same thing about Stanley

Hornbeck. You see, the thing that I told Berle, I said,
"Now, listen, Berle, no cables go out of the State Department to prejudice the Chinese against this suggestion."
That is what bit him, you see.
MR. BELL: None went?

H.M.JR: What would you think from that conversa-

tion? I would say, "No."

MR. BELL: I would think not, because you sent
somebody over to look over the cables, didn't you?

H.M.JR: No, that was with Harry. I wanted to

make sure they didn't send something down on that socalled "Morgenthau dollar." I wanted to make sure there
wasn't going to be something going down there which we
weren't sure about, because Harry and I were out on
the same limb together.
MR. WHITE: There was no dollar on that limb.

It was only an International Stabilization Fund.

H.M.JR: Well, but the stories which came out, the
poking of fun; and one fellow, you know, wrote it that

Mr. Hull debunked the thing, and there is nobody who
can debunk a thing better than Mr. Hull, which made me
believe that he had given an off-the-record statement

of it, you see, because you (Bell) told me that Hull
said he had never heard of it, so I just wanted to know

whether, without my knowing it, somebody had sent a

cable down there to try to torpedo this suggestion, and

I wanted to be sure.

MR. BELL: They had not?

H.M.JR: I will be terribly honest. When Harry

was to come back I got a slip back and I never looked

at it. I was afraid when he wasn't coming back - wait
a minute and let me see. I never looked at the duplicates. Rio cables, here they are.

65

- 14 MR. WHITE: You never saw the cables?

H.M.JR: I was worried, you see, and when you came

back I quit fussing and I asked for a complete set of
cables. I never - but I mean, when I heard you weren't
coming back I didn't know what was going on, when we

got that cable, and I wanted to see whether there was
something going on that I didn't know about. Then when
I got word that you were coming back, I never bothered
to open them.

Well, this has been a little faster than I enjoy
it, but I guess it is necessary.
MR. WHITE: I suppose you will know sometime today

when the Committee is going to appear so that we will
know--

MR. FOLEY: I will follow up on that and keep you

advised.

H.M.JR: If you three gentlemen will come in at

three o'clock, and I will tell Viner to come in too.
MR. WHITE: Of course, going back to the question
of Hardy, if George Haas wants him I think he ought
to be able to get anybody he wants.

H.M.JR: I talked to everybody except Haas. I

sent him the memo. No, I mean I wanted to get everybody's

reaction before I talked to him. I think it is important. I don't know whether George wants him or not.

But you people question him?

MR. BELL: Viner came to me and said it would be
a good thing if we got Hardy in on this meeting we are
going to have this week to discuss the gap which George
is working on, and-MR. WHITE: There are at least ten men around town
that know more than he does.
MR. BELL: We have got a committee of about twelve

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or fourteen, and I think that is enough.
H.M.JR: Well, let me give you the suggestion so
that you know where I was working from. I asked Viner

if he could give me the name of somebody who was outstanding in American universities on Government finance,
and I wanted a man who would approach him as good as

Viner in his field, and the name he came back with was
Hardy.

I do.

MR. WHITE: Well, maybe Jack knows him better than

H.M.JR: I just want to give you the history on
this thing. Let me finish, just one second. Somebody

who would sit back like Viner does in a consultant
capacity without any administrative responsibility and
only on Government finance, who would be one of the
recognized outstanding men in Government finance. A

man like Viner that we call in, no administrative
responsibilities. I thought we could use a man like
that you see.
What?

MR. WHITE: Well, if you ask a dozen others and if
any of them mention Hardy, I will buy you a fall hat.
MR. BELL: Just from what I know of him, I don't
know very much and I am probably doing him an injustice,
I wouldn't choose him.

H.M.JR: In fairness to myself, that is what I

asked for.

MR. BELL: Harry, do you know this fellow at
Columbia? Nador? N-a-d-o-r, is it?
MR. WHITE: There is a fellow under Mitchell who

is very brilliant and able if you can get him. I know
I have tried to get him, and he won't come. We couldn't
offer him enough.

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- 16 MR. BELL: What is his name?

MR. WHITE: There are several others with the

same name around town. He has always worked under

Mitchell, but if you want to get somebody, Wesley

Mitchell is of that character.

MR. BELL: This fellow Nador - I think it is N-a-d-e-r
or
something like that. He has got a pretty good reputation.
H.M.JR: I don't want Wesley Mitchell.

MR. WHITE: But this fellow -his field is business

cycles. It is just this thing. He has done more writing, but he is an older man and doesn't want to come

down.

H.M.JR: I don't want that.
MR. WHITE: But he has a man under him-want.

H.M.JR: I don't want him. That isn't what I
MR. BELL: This fellow teaches finance at Columbia,

and he issues bulletins, and I think sells his services.
MR. WHITE: But public finance - oh, yes, I know.

You are thinking of a man on international finance. It
does begin with an "N." It may be Nader, but I didn't

think so. But this is not the sort of thing the
Secretary is talking about, I don't think. This thin

that you are talking about, Mr. Secretary, is consumption, national income and so on. There are men out-

standing in just that field.
H.M.JR: No, that is not-MR. WHITE: Public finance is not that field.
H.M.JR: That isn't what I am talking about.

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- 17 MR. WHITE: But public finance is taxation and

raising bonds. That is why it is called finance.
H.M.JR: That isn't what I want. What I want

is somebody who will be studying sources from which

we can borrow.

MR. WHITE: Well, that is income, national income,
consumption studies and things of that character which -

I will submit to you a list of a half dozen names of
the leading men. There aren't many left in the universities
on it.
H.M.JR: Do you know anybody?
of.

MR. BELL: This one man I just happened to think
H.M.JR: You suggest some.

MR. WHITE: I will suggest some.

MR. BELL: I am not so sure you haven't got most of

them in the Government service.

MR. WHITE: With the exception of one or two, I
think they are all here. There aren't many good outstanding economists in that field.

MR. BELL: And they all differ. They never get
together on their subjects.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Mr. Rayburn as follows: )

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February 2, 1942
11:29 a.m.
HMJr:

Speaker

Hello.

Rayburn:

Henry.

HMJr:

Yee, Sam.

R:

Sol's in the office, and he'11 introduce this
bill at noon.

HMJr:

Yes.

R:

I'11 release a copy of it, and the President's
letter

HMJr:

Yeah.

and now who do you - he wants a hearing -

R:

we want a hearing at ten o'clock in the morning,
whatever hearing we're going to have.
HMJr:

Yeah.

R:

I guess we'll leave it up to you. Would the
Secretary of State want to come?

HMJr:
R:

HMJr:

Well, I think he should.

Well, I'd better call him, then.
I think - he's going to tell you he's got a cold
and all that, but he' 8 in his office now because
I just talked to him, and I think it's very important that he come.

R:

Well, now, you bring whoever you want to and come
up at ten.

HMJr:

I'd like Stimson to come, too, because Stimson

feels very strongly on this.

R:

HMJr:

And it'11 be an executive session.

I see. Well, if you could have Hull, would you
call Hull and Stimson?

70

-2R:

Yeah.

HMJr:

What?

R:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Hull and Stimson, I think, would give you the

R:

best - and I'll be there, too.
All right, Henry.

HMJr:

At ten o'clock tomorrow.

R:

At ten o'clock in the morning in Sol's committee
room.

HMJr:
R:

Well, that's moving.

Fine. Why we're going to try and pass it

Wednesday.
HMJr:

You're going to pass it Wednesday?

R:

Try to.

HMJr:

Did you make any changes?

R:

No.

HMJr:

No.

R:

No. I could make it an authorization instead of
an appropriation.

HMJr:

R:

HMJr:

Well, so we understand each other - you'll call
Hull and Stimson.

That's right.
And I'll appear there myself at ten o'clock.

R:

Fine, Henry.

HMJr:

Before Sol Bloom in executive session.

R:

That's right.

HMJr:

Righto.

R:

All right.

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71

H.M.JR: Well, I don't mind being a little crotchety
with
you fellows, if you don't mind, as long as I get
the things done.
MR. WHITE: Why shouldn't they get Knox as long
as you are getting them all?

H.M.JR: I don't know how Knox feels on this thing.
MR. FOLEY: He is away, isn't he?

H.M.JR: I don't know, but listen - oh, gee, I
didn't say Jesse Jones, did I? Stimson feels this thing
very stiff. How about Bill Donovan? He has feelings
on this thing.

well.

MR. FOLEY: Well, he and Hull don't get along very

H.M.JR: That is right. I think if you have Hull,

Stimson, and myself, and Jesse.

Now, when can I see this prepared statement,

because I haven't got a hell of a lot of time?
MR. WHITE: This afternoon.
MR. FOLEY: Four o'clock.

H.M.JR: I have got press at four.
MR. BELL: Four-thirty.
MR. FOLEY: After press.
MR. WHITE: Three o'clock?

MR. FOLEY: T. V. Soong is coming in at three.
H.M.JR: Soong won't take more than fifteen minutes.

We will do it right after that.

MR. WHITE: Soong won't have many ideas, and he

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72

won't want to give anything definite, so I don't think
he will take long.
H.M.JR: He never takes long. Supposing we con-

tinue right after that.

MR. BELL: Can you prepare something in an hour

and a half, Harry? I think it won't be very long.
H.M.JR: Harry, get Viner to help you.

MR. WHITE: Mr. Secretary, anything at all that
is ever in Mr. Viner's field, I always ask him to help
me. I am always glad of his help.
H.M.JR: Well, that hasn't always been so.
MR. WHITE: That has always been true except where
we have - questions where I know we are opposed on

domestic policy and in which I didn't think it would be
a help but a hinderance, as far as I was concerned, but
on foreign policy.
H.M.JR: Well-MR. WHITE: Or monetary matters.

MR. BELL: It is always better to have Jake in
after something is prepared, because he will argue for
two hours before he gets started.

MR. WHITE: He is helpful, and I am always glad to

have him.

MR. BELL: It is very helpful to get his criticisms

on documents that have been prepared.

MR. WHITE: But again, thinking of somebody for

Haas' division, you know, Viner is in a little different

position than he would be if Haas had somebody in his
division. There are men who might come in the same
capacity as Viner, but who might or might not come in a--

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73

H.M.JR: Well, the man I had in mind would be in

the same relation to the rest of us as Viner is.

Now, if you ask me who is Viner responsible to,

I don't know. He has never raised the question. He is
here to help all of us.
MR.
BELL: Well, he is responsible to you, but we
all use
him.
H.M.JR: Including Harry.

MR. WHITE: Very definitely, and I am very glad to.
MR. BELL: He really sits in on most of our con-

ferences.

MR. FOLEY: He has been in on all this China thing.
MR. WHITE: Whenever he is in the Treasury he is

always in.

this. MR. FOLEY: He was in Harry's office on all of

H.M.JR: I believe Harry. I don't know why Harry
is suddenly sensitive on that one.
MR. WHITE: Because three times in the last week,

you have reminded me to get him in. I always do. I
didn't know whether that was an indication that you
think I don't.

H.M.JR: Well, sometime when we are alone I will
tell you why.

MR. WHITE: O.K. I will try to give you some
names of those that I hear about and I will ask other
men
about Hardy. Maybe I have got a peculiar notion
about him.

H.M.JR: Well, you men needn't wait. I will just
tell Harry now and get it off my chest, that is all.

74
February 2, 1942

Dear Dr. Seong:

I am enclosing herewith, for your
confidential information, copy of a resolution, covering loan to China, which will

be laid before the House today by the Speaker,

in substantially this form.

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) N. Morgenthaw. Jr.

Dr. T. V. Soong,
1601 V Street,
Washington, D. C.

75
February 2, 1942

by dear Sir Frederick:

I am enclosing herewith, for your
confidential information, copy of a resolution, covering loan to China, which will
be laid before the House today by the Speaker,

in substantially this form.

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) N. Morgentbau. Jr.

Sir Frederick Phillips,

The British Embassy,
Washington, D. C.

delivered to

fm 909, willare Hotel

76

February 2, 1942

My dear Mr. Ambassador:

I am enclosing herewith, for your
confidential information, copy of a reso-

lution, covering loan to China, which will
be laid before the House today by the Speaker,

in substantially this form.

Yours sincerely,
(Name) IT Borgonthan, In

His Excellency,
The Ambassador of the Union of

Soviet Socialist Republics.

JOINT RESOLUTION

77

To authorize the President of the
United States to render financial
aid to China, and for other purposes.
MIEREAS China has for more than four years valiantly

resisted the forces of Japanese aggression; and
WHEREAS financial and economic aid to China will increase

her ability to oppose the forces of aggression; and
WHEREAS the defense of China is of the greatest possible

importance: Therefore be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives

of the United States in Congress assembled, That the Secretary

of the Treasury with the approval of the President is hereby

authorized, on behalf of the United States, to loan or extend
credit or give other financial aid to China in an amount not
to exceed in the aggregate $500,000,000 at such time or
times and upon such terms and conditions as the Secretary of

the Treasury with the approval of the President shall deem

in the interest of the United States.
Sec. 2. The authority herein granted shall be in
addition to any other authority provided by law.
Sec. 3. There is hereby appropriated out of any money
in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, such sum or sums
not to exceed $500,000,000 as may be necessary to carry out

the provisions of this Joint Resolution.

78
February 2, 1942

My dear Cordell:

For your confidential information, I am inclosing herewith photo-

static copies of the President's let-

ters to the Speaker of the House and
the Vice President, and Secretary
Knox's and Secretary Stimson's letters

to the President, in connection with
the Chinese loan.

Sincerely yours,

Henry

Honorable Cordell Hull,

The Secretary of State.

79
February 2, 1942

My dear Henry:

For your confidential information, I an inclosing herewith photo-

static copies of the President's letters to the Speaker of the House and
the Vice President, and Secretary

Hull's and Secretary Knox's letters to
the President, in connection with the

Chinese loan.

Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Henry

Honorable Henry L. Stimson,
The Secretary of War.

80
February 2, 1942

My dear Frank:

For your confidential information, I am inclosing herewith photo-

static copies of the President's let-

ters to the Speaker of the House and
the Vice President, and Secretary Hull's
and Secretary Stimson's letters to
the President, in connection with the

Chinese loan.

Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Henry

Honorable Frank Knox,

Secretary of the Navy.

81
February 2, 1942

My dear Jesse:

For your confidential information, I am inclosing herewith photo-

static copies of the President's letters to the Speaker of the House and

the Vice President, and letters from

Secretaries Hull, Stimson and Knox to

the President, in connection with the

Chinese loan.

Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Henry

Honorable Jesse Jones,
The Secretary of Commerce.

82
February 2, 1942

My dear Harold:

For your confidential information, I am inclosing herewith photo-

static copies of the President's letters to the Speaker of the House and

the Vice President, and letters from

Secretaries Hull, Stimson and Knox to

the President, in connection with the

Chinese loan.

Sincerely yours,
(Signed) 3. Morgentham, It.

Honorable Harold Smith,

Director of the Budget.

83
February 2, 1942
(Signed) Henry

My dear Mr. Vice President:

For your confidential information, I am inclosing herewith copies
of the letters from Secretaries Hull,

Stimson and Knox to the President, in
connection with the Chinese loan.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Henry

The Honorable,

The Vice President of
the United States.

84
February 2, 1942
(Signed) Hanzy

My dear Mr. Speaker:

For your confidential information, I am inclosing herewith copies
of the letters from Secretaries Hull,

Stimson and Knox to the President,
in connection with the Chinese loan.

Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Henry

The Honorable,

The Speaker of the House
of Representatives.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

My dear Mr. Speaker:

Responsible officials both of this Government and of the Government of China, have brought

to my attention the existence of urgent need for

the immediate extension to China of economic
and financial assistance, going beyond in amount

and different in form from such aid as Congress

has already authorized. I believe that such ad-

ditional assistance would serve to strengthen
China's position as regards both her internal

economy and her capacity in general to function
with great military effectiveness in our common

effort.

I urge, therefore, the passage by Congress of

appropriate legislation to this effect and attach
hereto a suggested draft of a joint resolution which

would accomplish this purpose.

Sincerely yours,

from Minusure
The Honorable,

The Speaker of the House of Representatives.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

My dear Mr. Vice President:

Responsible officials both of this Govern-

ment and of the Government of China, have brought

to my attention the existence of urgent need for

the immediate extension to China of economic
and financial assistance, going beyond in amount
and different in form from such aid as Congress

has already authorized. I believe that such additional assistance would serve to strengthen
China's position as regards both her internal
economy and her capacity in general to function
with great military effectiveness in our common
effort.

I urge, therefore, the passage by Congress of

appropriate legislation to this effect and attach
hereto a suggested draft of a joint resolution which

would accomplish this purpose.

Sincerely yours,

The Honorable,

The Vice President of the United States.

JOINT RESOLUTION

To authorize the President of the
United States to render financial
aid to China, and for other purposes.
WHEREAS China has for more than four years valiantly

resisted the forces of Japanese aggression; and
WHEREAS financial and economic aid to China will increase

her ability to oppose the forces of aggression; and
WHEREAS the defense of China is of the greatest possible

importance: Therefore be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives

of the United States in Congress assembled, That the Secretary

of the Treasury with the approval of the President is hereby
authorized, on behalf of the United States, to loan or extend
credit or give other financial aid to China in an amount not
to exceed in the aggregate $500,000,000 at such time or
times and upon such terms and conditions as the Secretary of
the

Treasury with the approval of the President shall deem

the interest of the United States.

Sec. 2. The authority herein granted shall be in
tion to any other authority provided by law.
Sec. 3. There is hereby appropriated out of any money
the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, such sum or sums
to exceed $500,000,000 as may be necessary to carry out

provisions of this Joint Resolution.

THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

My dear Mr. President:

I refer to the urgent request which this
Government has received from Generalissimo Chiang
Kai-shek to help him, by financial assistance, to

maintain more effectively the morale of the
Chinese people. Recent military developments in
the Pacific and difficult economic and financial
conditions in China have made necessary remedial
action of a substantial character.

China under the Generalissimo are carrying on and
are planning to carry on are of extreme importance

to us. It would be very unfortunate if we were to
overlook any possibility of checking the impairment of China's morale resulting from the growing
internal difficulties in China. I am convinced

that the financial assistance which the Generalissimo has requested would make an effective contribution to the maintenance of China's morale and
military strength.
I strongly recommend, therefore, that we should
grant the Generalissimo's request without delay.

Faithfully,

The President,
The White House.

Trans atnow

:

The military operations which the armies of

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

January 31st, 1942.

My dear Mr. President:

The confidential information which has been
coming to me during the past few weeks indicates that

the difficult economic and financial situation within
China is impairing her military effort.
Our information indicates further that substantial financial aid must be given to China quickly

if we are to have assurance that recent and prospective
military developments will not too seriously weaken the

morale of the Chinese people.

Any substantial financial help that can be
given to China at this time can not but help strengthen
her striking power.

I therefore urge for your consideration that
the financial assistance which I am informed the
Generalissimo is requesting be granted expeditiously.
Faithfully,

The President,
The White House.

Hunt Thomoon

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

January 31, 1942

Dear Mr. President:

I refer to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek's request
for an immediate credit to China of $500,000,000 to

assist him in China's prosecution of the war.

China is now in her fifth year of war against
aggression and has had to draw very heavily upon her
own resources. Certain loans have been made to China

through the Federal Loan Agency, mostly in connection

with the purchase of strategic materials. These loans
have been used to buy supplies in this country, but
China now needs cash to be used within, or from within,
its own borders, and I strongly recommend that you ask

Congress to authorize loans, or credits, or both, to
China up to 500,000,000. The brilliant resistance to
aggression which the Chinese have made and are making,

and their contribution to the common cause, deserve the

fullest support we can give.
Sincerely yours,
The

President, The White House. Greenshire

91
February 2, 1942
11:35 a.m.
HMJr:

Sam,
in talking, I forgot. Of course, Jesse
Jones.

Speaker
Rayburn:

Yes.

HMJr:

R:

HMJr:

Jesse would like to testify and I'd like to have
him testify.
Yeah. All right, fine.
Thank you.

92
February 2, 1942
1:16 p.m.

Operator: Go ahead.
HMJr:

Cong. Sol

Hello.

Bloom:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Yes.

B:

Sol speaking. Say, the Speaker spoke to you

HMJr:

That's right.

B:

Now, who's going to come up?

HMJr:

Well, there should be Mr. Hull, and Mr. Stimson

B:

Yes.

HMJr:

Jesse Jones, and myself.

B:

about who's to come up here tomorrow?

Fine. All right. At ten o'clock.

HMJr:

Ten o'clock.

B:

Yes.

HMJr:

Yeah.

B:

And you haven't spoken to anyone else, then?

HMJr:

No.

B:

All right. I'll get them all. So then you'd

HMJr:
B:

rather have it at ten for yourself?
Well, if
I'll see what they can do. If you don't hear

from me, I'll tell your secretary. If not, if

you come un - oh, a few minutes after ten or
so, and then I'll arrange the other accordingly.
HMJr:

Now, don't let Cordell Hull tell you he's sick,
see?

93

-2B:

Yes.

HMJr:

Because he's in his office today.

B:

Yes.

HMJr:

And he ought to come up.

B:

Well, he can be just as sick up here as he

HMJr:
B:

can up there, you know.

That's right.
(Laughs) All right. I'11 get Stimson and Jones,
then.

HMJr:

Right.

B:

All right, Henry.

94
Corry

Following message telephoned to Mr. White by Mr. Pinsent,
February 2, 1942, at 2:05 p.m.

"His Majesty's Government are willing to make available
under A lend-lesse arrangement all munitions and military
equipment which it is possible for them to supply.

"In addition, His Majesty's Government are informing
the Chinese Government of their willingness to lend to China
for war purposes an amount up to L50 million, at such time
and upon such terms as may be agreed between the two governments."

There WCS an introduction which Mr. Pinsent said he

didn't take down, regarding desire to cooperate with China.
He is not sure it has been released yet, but is being released
in London this evening.

HDW:Is

2/2/42
efs

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February 2, 1942
3:05 p.m.

AID TO CHINA

Present:

Mr. Soong

Mr. Bell

Mr. Foley

Mr. White
Mr. Southard

Mr. Viner
Mr. Kuhn

H.M.JR: Well, you know what the English have done.
They have raised themselves up to fifty million pounds.
MR. SOONG: From ten to fifty.
MR. BELL: They have added Lend-Lease, too.

H.M.JR: Now, what are the figures on Lend-Lease?
I haven't had any chance to do my home work. I hope you

don't mind if I do it in your presence. How does this

figure check with what you have? I have asked Lend-Lease
how much the allocations are, and they say six hundred

fifteen million, of which about twenty-five million has

been shipped.

MR. SOONG: 1 think considerably more than twenty-

five million.

H.M.JR: Have you got the figures?

MR. SOONG: I know the six fifteen is right, in

addition to more for the third Lend-Lease.

96

-2H.M.JR: Third?

MR. SOONG: This is for the first and se cond. The

third is six hundred million.

H.M.JR: You mean when the bill passes?
MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: But as of today -MR. SOONG: The six hundred fifteen is right.
H.M.JR: And in the third Lend-Lease there would be

how much?

MR. SOONG: Between four hundred and six hundred

million.

H.M.JR: I see. Well now, what I want to ask you,
Dr. Soong, is this. I have to go and appear at ten

o'clock tomorrow before the Committee on Foreign Affairs
in the House, and if they say to me, "Under what terms
and conditions are you going to make this loan," what

shall I tell them?

MR. SOONG: You ask me to begin considering the

matter?

H.M.JR: That is right.
MR. SOONG: Now, in one of the Generalissimo's

telegrams he asked that loan be without

as and
on terms
at asleast
generous
conditions
to use,
a granted
any

as the Lend-Lease terms. Now, the Lend-Lease terms

are specifically contained in that paper (handing docu-

ment to the Secretary).
H.M.JR: This is the Lend-Lease?
MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: They never got beyond, "which the President
deems satisfactory" (returning document to Mr. Soong).

97
3-

MR. SOONG: No, they never got beyond that. Now,
in accordance with that, I made some scheme, very

preliminary. I did not even refer to the Generalissimo,
but I thought it might be a starting point for you to
consider.
H.M.JR: Thank you.

"The terms and conditions upon which China receives

this financial aid shall be those which the Secretary
of the Treasury under the direction of the President
deems satisfactory.

"After the war the President shall determine the

precise terms for settlement of this financial aid.
In so doing he will deal with the matter as one of

adjustment between the United Nations taking into
account the declaration by the United Nations of
January 2, 1942, by which each Government pledges itself

to employ its full resources, military or economic,
against those members of the Tripartite Pact and its
adherents with which such government is at war.

"China on her part agrees to abide by the terms
which the President shall subsequently so determine.

Well, let me ask you this, which isn't clear in

my mind. The chances of this going through are excellent,
you see. My estimate of one or two weeks is still good.
Let's say this thing passes and credit is open on the
books of the Treasury for five hundred million dollars
to the Chinese Government. Do you think you are going
to need any of it right away?
MR. SOONG: Well, my Government has not told me

exactly what they will use it for.
H.M.JR: You don't know?

MR. SOONG: No, so I don't know.

H.M.JR: Well, could you cable them for instructions?

98

-4MR. SOONG: How quickly the money would be used?

H.M.JR: Well, you see what I would like to be
prepared to answer is - what I would like to know is what you have in mind, you see, to do with this
money, because they may ask me tomorrow. If I can't

answer, they may say, 'Well, we will have to wait."

They may ask me in the Senate. They are much more apt
to ask me when I appear before the Senate. In fact,
this morning when --

MR. BELL: It was the first question they asked

you this morning.

H.M.JR: That was the first question they asked.
"Well, what are they going to use this money for?"

Well, I have got to be truthful. I don't know.
Well, that doesn't sound very intelligent on my part.
"Are they going to use it all right away?" "I don't
know." "Are they going to spend It here, or are they
going to use it in China?"
In other words, I don't know. And this morning

I was successful, but now when Congressman Fish goes

after me tomorrow, I don't know whether he is a friend
of China or whether he isn't, you see, and then when
I get up before the Senate, so the quicker you could
get something for me the better.
MR. SOONG: I am afraid that if I were to ask for
this question, probably the reply would also be in rather
vague general terms. I imagine the reply would be
something like this. "China would need the money to
support the currency, to meet current expenditures.

That as to the method of using it, it wants to be free
to use it in as elastic a way as possible, and probably
there will have to be much of it in the way of trial and

error, because as you started the New Deal, you did
not know exactly how you were going to do it, but there

is a broad objective. There are the funds required, and
if it is working one way that has proved successful,
go on with it, and if not, try another way. Because

99

-5we are meeting with an extraordinary situation. Therefore, extraordinary methods may have to be employed."
I suppose that would be the answer that would be given

to me. I do not believe that - in fact, I have been

asking them for something very concrete.
H.M.JR: You have?

MR. SOONG: Yes, before, see. That was the gist

of their reply.

H.M.JR: But now that you know that the loan is
within sight, couldn't you ask them again?
MR. SOONG: Of course I could ask, see. But I don't
know whether they would be in any way more specific
than this.
H.M.JR: Well -MR. SOONG: If you want me to, of course I shall
be glad to cable immediately.

H.M.JR: You see, Mr. Fox isn't here, so I don't

know what message he is carrying. At least they could
tell me what they have told Fox. Or rather, they could
tell you what they have told Fox.
MR. SOONG: Oh, yes, surely.

H.M.JR: At least they could tell you what they
told Fox, so that you could tell me what they have

told Fox.

MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: Well, I am not going to press it, but
all I am asking you is, give me everything that you
can to help me testify, in order to successfully get

the loan through.

MR. SOONG: That will be tomorrow?

100

-6H.M.JR: I am not worried so much about tomorrow
as I am when I go before the Senate.
MR. SOONG: Of course what will be presented by
my Government to me will be not in a sense a commitment.

That is, they don't bind themselves to use so many
millions for such purpose and so many millions for ano-

ther purpose, but it is generally to give the - am I

not correct?

H.M.JR: You are lucky you are not having to deal

with Mr. Jones on this. That is only for you. I am
not going to - the whole purpose of this thing is to

make General Chiang Kai-shek happy. That is the whole
purpose of the thing, you see. We want to make him

feel happy. Now, I am not going to press the thing to
a point where I am going to make him feel unhappy,
but everything that he could tell me that he does know
that is in his mind would be that much more helpful

to me, that is all.

MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: Do you see?
MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: We are doing this as one friendly nation
to another, and we want to do it in a nice manner. Now,
anything that he has - anything that he told Fox or anything that he would like to tell me through you would

be that much more helpful.

MR. SOONG: I suppose what he told Fox was

generally, why in his opinion the arrangement of the
payment of the troops would not work satisfactorily.
And then I imagine Fox has been discussing with him

a number of possible methods by which the money could

be usefully expended. I will wire to him.
H.M.JR: That would be useful to me.

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-7MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: Bell, do you think of anything?
MR. BELL: No, but I do think those are important.
H.M.JR: What?

MR. BELL: I think it is unfortunate you haven't

got something tomorrow.

H.M.JR: I do too.
MR. BELL: That is something you are going to have

to answer.

H.M.JR: It is going to be very difficult.
MR. SOONG: Would it be hard to say, supporting
the Chinese currency and - and secondly, as I said,
for military expenditures?

MR. BELL: I don't think support of the currency
is enough, because you have got a Stabilization loan
for that.
H.M.JR: Yes, they asked me - I mean, how do I

explain what - if I say, for the currency and then
you have a credit here of fifty million dollars, none

of which you have drawn on.
MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: It would be different if that was exhausted.
MR. BELL: How about helping to balance your budget?

(Laughter).

H.M.JR: I know the explanation which you gave me
about the Generalissimo wanting this as a reserve the

way he has troops, but frankly, I can't make that

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-8explanation to the Congress, and you understand.
MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: What?
MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: It isn't the kind ofexplanation which I
could make. Well, let's hope for the best. We have

been very lucky so far. Senator McNary was fine this

morning. Senator McNary is all right. But Joe Martin,
the minority leader, was not there, and they sent

another man there by the name of Michener from Michigan

and he seems to have a lot of doubts, but he agreed

to go along, so it puts a lot on my shoulders, but we will
do the best we can, and I hope that - if Mr. Hull and

Mr. Stimson go up, I think that is going to help a
lot. Mr. Hull this morning said he was too sick to
go, but I think they will get him to go up there.
MR. SOONG: About this British thing, did they

say something about Lend-Lease?

H.M.JR: Yes, they do say something about Lend-

Lease. They are going to make available all the munitions and military equipment which you can use. No,
"which it is possible for them to supply under Lend-

Lease."

MR. WHITE: This is in addition?

H.M.JR: This is in addition. Well, we can say

the same thing. We are saying the same thing. And

then in addition, they are proposing to lend you fifty
million pounds. They started at ten, and they are up

to fifty now. I imagine they will tell you more. They
say this is only half of it. The rest is being released
from London this evening.

MR. SOONG: I am curious to know the terms of that.

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-9H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. SOONG: They haven't told you?

H.M.JR: Not as of today. They showed me something
yesterday which I would rather they would show you.

It may be different today. What they showed me yesterday, I think they may have forgotten about that.
MR. BELL: They say their own terms and conditions

to be agreed upon.

H.M.JR: Yes. At such times and on such terms as
may be agreed upon by the two Governments. Do they do
that through your Ambassador in London?

MR. SOONG: Well, probably they will do it like
the last time they signed here.
H.M.JR: I see.
MR. SOONG: I did not know that the message the indications from home were that we should discuss
it with you people.

H.M.JR: Well, I am partly responsible, you see,

because --

MR. SOONG: Oh, yes.

H.M.JR: I let the English know yesterday what I

was going to do, and then they must have got busy and
telephoned and they said to tell them as soon as I knew

and from last night to tonight the fact that we were
going to do something - they decided that they would do
more. So I think that the decision was made - they

only heard it at five o'clock last night, so since five
o'clock last night and up until noon today they have

decided to do more.

MR. SOONG: Probably it was referred to the Prime
Minister.

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H.M.JR: I asked them to refer it to the Prime
Minister. What I told them yesterday, "Please to send
it to Mr. Churchill," and he is very sympathetic himself
to China.

MR. SOONG: Yes.

H.M.JR: So I said - the message I gave them yesterday was for the Prime Minister.
MR. SOONG: Probably that was it.

H.M.JR: So it was settled there rather than -

it is always good, isn't it?

MR. SOONG: Yes, it is most cheerful.

H.M.JR: And it is going to be done in a nice friendly manner. I mean, that is the whole idea. We want

to be helpful at this time. I think this all happened
since five o'clock last night. Well, as we go along

we will keep you informed. Have any of you gentlemen
got any after-thoughts, anybody?

MR. WHITE: No. We have cabled Fox to communicate

whatever he had, and he has left -H.M.JR: Where is he?

MR. WHITE: Well, we cabled to India, but he has

left the place that he was yesterday, and if the present
schedule holds out, he should be here before the end of
the week, either Thursday or Friday.
H.M.JR: This week?

MR. WHITE: Yes. But in the meantime --

H.M.JR: This is moving so fast.
MR. WHITE: We just received word about an hour ago.
MR. SOONG: He has left Karachi?

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(Mr. Soong left the conference.)
MR. WHITE: What I think happened on that was that

they must have decided that, and they told Phillips

to hold it until they heard from you that it was all
right up on the Hill. Then when Phillips got word from
you of what you had done there and it looked like a fait

accompli, they called us back and said they would announce

it. I presume that was the sequence of events.
We

ment.

have two things here. We have a draft state-

H.M.JR: Where are my dark glasses? (Laughter).

MR. WHITE: It isn't final. We also have a state-

ment --

H.M.JR: Is somebody doing something?

MR. WHITE: God Almighty is doing his best. That

is what bothers me.

MR. BELL: I am afraid he can't hear you.
(Mr. Kuhn entered the conference.)

H.M.JR: Ferdie, this is my statement.
MR. KUHN: Tomorrow?

H.M.JR: I want you to get in on it please.
MR. KUHN:

Good.

H.M.JR: I don't like thing about their crops.
"Their lives, their homes, their factories." I don't

know what you mean by their crops.

MR. WHITE: They have eaten most of their crops.

H.M.JR: Well, I don't think it helps any. Who

wrote this?

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- 12 MR. WHITE: It is composite. Coe and Friedman
worked yesterday on a preliminary draft and Viner,

Southard, and I, and Bernstein rewrote it in the last

hour.

H.M.JR: It is good.
MR. BELL: Yes. This must be misspelled. "In

waging this war China has well-nigh performed economic

and military" --

MR. SOUTHARD: Miracles. We tried three times to

get that word out of the draft.

H.M.JR: I would like to work this in. "At the
beginning of the war the Chinese" - and had accomplished

unifying of their currency.

MR. WHITE: That is only a small part of it.
H.M.JR: Yes, but you are going to talk about the

thing. I mean, I always thought that the fact that they

had just accomplished unifying their currency and had one

currency was a sort of a signal for Japan to attack them.
MR. WHITE: And had just completed unifying their

currency and banking system.

H.M.JR: Something. "Amazingly well." "Exceedingly"

isn't strong enough for me. It is at the top of four.

It is amazing, what they have done.

MR. SOUTHARD: Instead of Eremarkably." At the top

of five, "extremely honorable in carrying out any -

carrying out all obligations which they have assumed."

MR. VINER: I wouldn't use the word "honorable."
I would use something else. "Punctilious" is a good term.

All men are honorable.

MR. WHITE: That is true.

H.M.JR: And instead of being negative, "took no

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actions prejudicial to American interests," I would put
it the other way around, "gave the American interests
fair treatment. It "The Chinese Government has now urgently" have you spoken to Lauch Currie recently? Today?

MR. WHITE: I spoke to him today to see if he could
get this Lend-Lease figure, because we weren't able to

get them from Lend-Lease in time.

H.M.JR: I thought I would ask him to come over
and help us on this.
MR. WHITE: It would be very good.

H.M.JR: Make it Mr. Jesse Jones.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with

Mr. Lauchlin Currie as follows:)

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February 2, 1942
3:38 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Currie.

HMJr:

Hello.

Lauchlin
Currie:

Hello, Mr. Secretary.

MrJr:

Lauch?

C:

Yeah.

Jr:
C:

Well, we've been rather fortunate the last few days.
Yeah, things have gone amazingly well, I'd say.

Unprecedented.

(Laughs.)
HMJr:

Well

C:

It went through so quickly.
What?

C:

It's unprecedented for things to go through so
quickly.

HMJr:

Yeah.

C:

I should have known you.

Dr.

C:

Oh, yeah, yeah. Lauch, I'm working out a statement
with the boys here, and I thought if you had time
to drop over and go over it - I'm sure you could be
helpful.

Why, I'd like to, Mr. Secretary, but I - I'm tied
up at the moment with a - a general. (Laughs.)

JrJJ:

A general?

C:

Yeah. (laughs. )

HMJr:

Well, I'm only a private.

C:

You're only a private? ! (Laughs )

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2HMJr:

Well, when will you be - when will you swallow
the general?

C:

Ianshould
think that I would finish up in about
hour.

HMJr:

Well, if you come over to Harry White's the thing

will still be in the - there'11 still be room for
you to change plenty of words.
(Laughs.)

HMJr:
C:

Don' get indigestion now.

No. That's not an awfully good showing, I'm afraid,
I sent over. Did Harry show you the figures?

HMJr:

No. You mean the twenty-five million?

C:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Yeah.

C:

But on the other hand, it's as much as we sent the
Russians.

HMJr:

Right. What?

C:

Yeah.

HMJr:
C:

It's what did you say?
It's as much as we sent Russia.

HMJr:

Yeah. Okay.

C:

Okay. Thanks.

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H.M.JR: He will be over in about an hour. This first

twenty-five million, who made that loan?
MR. WHITE: Well --

MR. BELL: It was the Export-Import Bank, wasn't it?
MR. WHITE: It was the Export-Import Bank purchase,

but they were to pay it back in tung oil.

H.M.JR: I remember it intimately. I just wondered

if we were saying too much about Jones. He can repeat

it, can't he?

MR. WHITE: You never could tell from this state-

ment who made it.

H.M.JR: Did you do that on purpose?
MR. VINER: No.

MR. WHITE: Well, I don't know - that is the loan
they have repaid and have the best record on. It is

an Export-Import Bank loan.

H.M.JR: I just wondered whether, in view of Jones

testifying and my testifying, if I did this first, you
know how he is. He might say, "Well, hell, Morgenthau
did it all," and put on his hat and walk out. If you

simply say, "They have always been prompt in their
payments, and Mr. Jones can tell you more about the

details, and he is here to do so" - and let's leave it
at that. He might get sore and put on his hat and walk
out. I think I would do it that way, gentlemen.
MR. WHITE: All right.
MR. VINER: Is there any chance of showing him this

before he has to testify?

MR. SOUTHARD: Or even getting in touch with him?

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- 15 MR. WHITE: It would be nice to show it to him.

H.M.JR: It would be good to show it to - of course
the thing to do if ours was finished would be to show
it to all three Cabinet members who are going up there.

MR. VINER: Well, we could do it by six o'clock, I

should say.

H.M.JR: Fine. well now, you say "joint". Didn't

the English get in on that?
MR. WHITE: Which?

H.M.JR: At the bottom of page seven.
MR. BELL: Yes.

MR. WHITE: Not on the dollars. They had some
sterling.

H.M.JR: But didn't they put up their stuff also

as a cushion?

MR. BELL: Yes.

H.M.JR: Didn't they come before us?

MR. WHITE: Not as a cushion for our dollars.
Theirs was only sterling.
MR. VINER: Still they ought to be mentioned there.

MR. BELL: Yes, I think so, too.

H.M.JR: Isn't it a joint board, England, China,

and ourselves?

MR. WHITE: Yes.

H.M.JR: I think you ought to talk a little bit about

it and bring in England, because they are going to read

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morning's papers, that England is making
antomorrow
offer.
MR. WHITE: Well, we can say, "Under that arrange-

ment the Chinese Government"

(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with

Congressman Sol Bloom as follows:)

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February 2, 1942
3:42 p.m.

JrsJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Congressman Bloom.

Mr.Jr:

Hello.

Conz.

Floor:

'n'Jr:

Sol

Hello, Henry.
How are you?

All right.
J'Mr

Sol
Yeah

"Jr:

Do I understand that this meeting tomorrow is going
to be an executive session?

Yes, sir! Absolutely !

Jr:

Yes, sir, huh?

With the - with the understanding in advance that
every member present is accuainted with the fact
that it is an executive session and anything that's

said there is absolutely confidential.

TVJr:

Good. I was just working on my statement.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Good. Now let me ask you something else, if I may.

Did you get the other three cabinet members?
Jesse Jones said he'd be here at ten, and Cordell

Ah

::

Hull - he said that, of course, it'd depend upon
how he felt.

Uh-huh.

He said he's having his statement prepared, and I
told him he could feel just as good or bad up here
as he could any other place, and I'm waiting to

hear from Stimson. Now how about Knox?
'Jr:

Why, I think it'd be good !

-2 Well, I'll try and get him then.

B:

HMJr:

114
I

Igood
got
a letter from him on it. I think it'd be
!
All right, I'll try and get him.

Jr:

Yeah, after all he's got as much interest as
anybody.

Yes.
Well, I'll try and get him, and I'm waiting
to
hear from Stimson. He's in the meeting upstairs,
but they're going to call me right back.

B:

Jr:
R:

HMJr:

Well, Stimson ought to come because he's been very
much interested.

Yes, well, I'm going to
And I think your suggestion of Knox would be
excellent.

B:

All right, I'll get Knox right away.

MrJJ:

Thank you.

P:

All right, Henry.

MrJr:

Goodbye.

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H.M.JR: I felt like saying, "Donald Duck" to you

when he said "Yes, sir.' I don't know whether he had
seen our picture or not.

MR. KUHN: "I will do anything, anything.

H.M.JR: "Anything, yes, sir." I think I am up
to you now, Ferdie. I think I have seen it nine times.
I would bring the English in at the bottom of seven.
MR. WHITE: Yes, sir, we will put the English in

on the bottom of seven.

H.M.JR: I have two criticisms. I think you slur

over this Lend-Lease too much.

MR. FOLEY: I thought we ought to give those figures
because there isn't anybody down there that will be able
to give them except you, unless they want to call Stettinius.

H.M.JR: I think you slur over that too much, and

then at the end, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, as Donald Duck
says. Common effort. Noteworthy demonstration not to

the people of the world, but the Axis, that United Nations

stand together.

MR. VINER: You are right, that is right. After
all -H.M.JR: Not the people but - it says notice to

the Axis, but we are serving notice on the Axis, and the

thing, if you get over to the Japanese on their fifth
columnists. I mean, you see their activities and their

infiltration of puppet governments and so forth and so
on, you see, that the place to look to are the other
members of the United Nations, and not to the Axis for
financial help. See, boys? That is what we are doing.

We are saying to the United Nations that we won't leave
a stone unturned or a dollar unavailable to a member of
the United Nations to see this thing through, and they

should look to us and not to the Axis. O.K., Professor

Kuhn.

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MR. WHITE: Do you want to mention the British -

news that the British are going to give -way.

H.M.JR: Sure. They are going to ask us that, anyMR. VINER: You ought to have the text there in

case they ask you.
Kuhn?

H.M.JR: That is right. How about it, Professor

MR. KUHN: I would only make a couple of suggestions.
On page two where you talk --

H.M.JR: That isn't enough, a couple of suggestions.
MR. KUHN: You talk about the common enemy. Why not
make it "our common enemy?" Because I miss in here

particularly at the beginning the sense that we and the

Chinese are together in the same war.
H.M.JR: Yes.

MR. KUHN: One place you can get that in is at the
top of page two, third line, "the defeat of our common
enemy," and then the sixth line, "in the war against our
enemy."

H.M.JR: "hat are you doing between now and five

o'clock?

MR. KUHN: I am free.

H.M.JR: Why don't you put an hour on this?
MR. KUHN: And also I would suggest at the very
beginning where you say, "The effective continuance of
the Chinese military effort depends largely," and so

on, "that military effort is of invaluable help to
ourselves at this very moment," and something to that
effect, I think should be said.

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H.M.JR: That is right. Well, I think you could

very well put an hour - when do you go to the MacLeish

meeting?

MR. KUHN: Five fifteen.

H.M.JR: If between now and then - I don't know
what else you have got. Is Donald Duck taking care of
himself?
MR. KUHN: He is, yes, sir.

H.M.JR: I think that is an excellent start. I

would like another crack at it. I will be down here
tomorrow morning at nine, and I could make a few
changes if necessary.

MR. WHITE: This can be finished before tonight.
H.M.JR: I won't get another chance.
MR. FOLEY: It won't be necessary to mimeograph

this, will it?

H.M.JR: No.

MR. KUHN: Is it going to be issued publicly?
H.M.JR: No.

MR. KUHN: Could it be? There is nothing in it

whi ch couldn't be.

MR. WHITE: We wrote it with that in mind, so that
in case you wanted it.
MR. VINER: Some day of course it will come out.
As we polish this up, shall we or may we send copies to
the other participants?

H.M.JR: I wish you would.

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MR. VINER: And tell them it is a tentative draft,

subject to further change.

H.M.JR: And if they have any suggestions, please

call up.

MR. KUHN: Wouldn't it be good to get this out

publicly at this time? Is there anything in it that
is secret or harmful?

H.M.JR: Well, I imagine what will happen is that

a man like Bloom will say to our boys, prepare statements,
you see, for him when he goes before the committee -MR. BELL: When he goes on the floor.

H.M.JR: Yes, and he will take the best of Hull,

Knox, Stimson, and Jones, and mine and our boys will

most likely have to whip it in shape and give him a
statement to make.

MR. BELL: Or write a report for him.
MR. VINER: If we were to release this and the
others come without prepared statements it would be
bad.

MR. WHITE: After we have told them it was this

kind of a meeting it would seem a little bit -H.M. JR: I think it is better to get a statement
for the chairman of the committee to get.

it.

MR. KUHN: It is so good it is a shame to waste

MR. WHITE: Here is a memo indicating the five or
six suggestions of how the money could be used.

H.M.JR: All right. And then the other thing, I

think Lauch had better go up with us tomorrow and sit

there.

MR. WHITE: All right. Shall I ask him?

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H.M.JR: I wish you would. Tell him that I suggested
it. What else?
MR. WHITE: Nothing, unless you want to glance at

any of those.

H.M.JR: No, thanks.

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The terms and conditions upon which China receives

this financial aid shall be those which the Secretary
of the Treasury under the direction of the President
deems satisfactory.

After the war the President shall determine the

precise terms for settlement of this financial aid.
In so doing he will deal with the matter as one of
adjustment between the United Nations taking into

account the declaration by the United Nations of
January 2, 1942, by which each Government pledges itself

to employ its full resources, military or economic,
against those members of the Tripartite Pact and its
adherents with which such government is at war.

China on her part agrees to abide by the terms which
the President shall subsequently so determine.

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DRAFT STATEMENT FOR SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY ON THE

JOINT RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SECRETARY OF THE
TREASURY WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES TO RENDER FINANCIAL AID TO CHINA AND
FOR OTHER PURPOSES

The purpose of my appearance before this committee

is to recommend favorable consideration of the joint

resolution to authorize the extension of financial assistance to China up to the amount of $500 million.

This proposal is a war measure. The effective continuance of the Chinese military effort depends largely upon

the strength of the economic structure of Free China. The

the

financing of war effort is a major war task of the Chinese
Government and the efficient performance of this task requires that the Chinese financial and monetary system should
be made as strong as possible.

In the United Nations Declaration to which China and

the United States are signatories, each of the United Nations

solemnly pledged itself to use its full resources in the

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common war. Our financial resources are not only great,
but they can be made immediately to contribute to the
defeat of the common enemy. China's financial resources

are very limited in relation to the tasks which she has
assumed. If any part of our financial resources can be
of assistance to China in her war against the enemy, I am

sure that our people will want to see these resources put
to that use.

The Chinese have been fighting against the Japanese

for four and one-half years. They have not spared their

lives, their homes, their crops, their factories, or their
financial resources in this struggle. They have remained
free because they were willing to make these sacrifices.
The people of China are carrying on unceasing war against

the Japanese in front of and behind the Japanese lines.

The Chinese Armies are not only holding their lines, but
on widely separated fronts they are gathering their men

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-3and supplies to intensify their offensive. The Chinese
people have shown to us and to the whole word that a
people who will not be conquered cannot be conquered.

In waging this war China has well nigh performed

economic and military proteges. At the beginning of the
war Chinese people were engaged in creating a modern

economic and financial system. Great progress had been
made but the work was by no means complete. The Japanese

occupation stripped the National Government of the sources

which had accounted for 80 percent of her revenues. The
apparatus of the financial and money markets in the coastal

cities has fallen into the hands of the Japanese. The loss
of the International Settlement and Hong Kong since

December 7 has still further impaired the financial structure of the Free Government of China.
Under these circumstances the Chinese Government has

faced a double financial burden. It had not only to expand

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their expenditures, but it also had to create a new financial system of banks in the unoccupied area. It is not
easy in peace-time to undertake great financial changes.

Considering the terrific obstacles with which the Chinese
Government has been and still is faced, it has succeeded

remarkably well in continuing its resistance to the enemy.

But neither they nor we can ignore the fact that the
Chinese financial and monetary system has been severely

strained in this undertaking. The budget is desperately
unbalances. Prices are rising rapidly and at an accelerated rate. The accompanying economic and social conditions

are serious threats to the Chinese war effort. It would
be unwise for the United States to ignore these weaknesses

or to withhold any aid within its power.
On several occasions in the past the United States
Government has rendered financial assistance to China. In

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general that assistance was designed to finance the import

of goods both directly and indirectly by stabilising China's
rate of exchange. In these financial arrangements I have
found that the Chinese were extremely honorable in carrying

out any obligations which they assumed. They lived up to

the letter and spirit of every contract, took no actions
prejudicial to American interests and under the hardest
circumstances maintained the export of vital commodi ties
which the United States needed.
The Chinese Government has urgently requested that

we come to their financial support so as to enable them

to more effectively carry on their war effort. We have
been constantly informed as to the financial and economic

situation within China. It is clear from the information
received by our government that the granting of the financial assistance that is now being requested will make a
substantial contribution toward strengthening their domestic
economy.

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The Chinese Government has informed us that the financial aid which the proposed Joint Resolution would make

available could be used by it in a variety of ways to
strengthen the financial and economic situation within

China. Without attempting at this time to specify the particular arrangements which would be entered into with China
and which would most effectively carry out the common

objectives of China and ourselves, we are fully satisfied
that arrangements can be worked out which will be of great
financial and economic help to the internal economy of

China, and will enable China more effectively to carry on

its war effort.

I think that you will be particularly interested in
the splendid record that the Government of China has maintained in the repayments of the loans we have already made,

notwithstanding the extremely difficult circumstances under

which she has been operating. The first financial assistance

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of $25 million which was granted to China in 1938, which
was to be liquidated by the proceeds of shipment to the
United States of tung oil. That sheedule has been more

than fulfilled to date. $23 million of the $25 million
has been repaid and, as a consequence of that arrangement,

we have been assured a stock of tung oil at reasonable

prices. As a result of this arrangement, our supply of
tung oil, which, as you know, serves many war needs, is

the largest in our history. Jesse Jones, no doubt, can
describe to you the gratifying way in which China has handled

the two loans totalling $45 million which the Export-Import
Bank made to China in 1939 and 1940.

You will recall that in December 1940 I obtained the
approval of the Congressional committees for the making of

a $50 million stabilization arrangement with China. Under
that arrangement the Chinese governmental banks put up $20

million and the U. S. Treasury $50 million, the Chinese

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contribution to be a cushion for the U. S. contribution.
So far, the Chinese Stabilization Board has not called on
the United States for any portion of its Fund and has used
its own contribution for the management of its foreign exchange. I may say here, too, that the joint management of
that Fund gives us every hope that future sums made avail-

able to them will be used judiciously and effectively.
These arrangements are proving in practice to have

been well-designed for their specific purposes and to be to
the mutual advantage of both countries. They are designed,

however, to meet the specific problems involved in the flow
of goods to and from China and the attempt to stabilize the
foreign exchange value of the yuan. The provision for aid
to China under Lend-Lease will take care of supplying China

with the necessary imported war materials. The additional
assistance now proposed is much more comprehensive in scope

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and is designed especially to make possible a strengthen-

ing of the internal economic and financial structure of
China.

The passage of the Joint Resolution authorizing the

President to render financial aid to China, will be an
outstanding contribution to the common war effort and a

noteworthy demonstration to all the peoples of the world,
as well as those of China, that the United States stands

ready to support and assist their strivings and struggles
for independence with every weapon in its arsenal.

I hope that in the light of the foregoing, you will
see fit to give this Joint Resolution your prompt and wholehearted support.

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Following message telephoned to Mr. White by Mr. Pinsent,
February 2, 1942, at 2:05 p.m.

"His Majesty's Government are willing to make available
under a lend-lease arrangement all munitions and military
equipment which it is possible for them to supply.
"In addition, His Majesty's Government are informing
the Chinese Government of their willingness to lend to China
for war purposes an amount up to L50 million, at such time
and upon such terms as may be agreed between the two govern-

ments."

There was an introduction which Mr. Pinsent said he
didn't take down, regarding desire to cooperate with China.
He is not sure it has been released yet, but is being released
in London this evening.

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Submitted

12/12-2019
13.05
The terms and conditions upon which China receives this

financial aid shall be those which the Secretary of the Treasury
under the direction of the President deems satisfactory.
After the war the President shall determine the precise

terms for settlement of this financial aid. In so doing he will
deal with the matter as one of adjustment between the United Nations

taking into account the declaration by the United Nations of
January 2, 1942, by which each Government pledges itself to employ

its full resources, military or economic, against those members of
the Tripartite Pact and its adherents with which such government is
at war.

China on her part agrees to abide by the terms which the
President shall subsequently so determine.

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February 2, 1942
3:54 p.m.

HMJr:

In the Star tonight, I notice that you say
the meeting between Jones and myself took

place on Saturday with the leaders. As a

matter of fact it only took place this morning.

Stephen

Correct me, will you?

Early:

Oh, did it?

HMJr:

If the boys ask me, is it all right to correct
you?

HMJr:

Oh, certainly. Please correct me.
All right, thanks.

E:

Yeah. Thank you, Henry.

HMJr:

Thank you.

E:

Right, sir. I mieunderstood it, I guess.

HMJr:

Well

E:

It was the other meeting Saturday with the

E:

President.

HMJr:
E:

Yeah, but that was just with the President.
Yeah, I know, and I suppose that's what I had
in my mind.

HMJr:

Because some of them might - the leaders might
say, "Well, hell, Jones and Morgenthau just have
had a secret meeting.' If

E:

HMJr:

Yeah, that'e right. Correct me.
I'11 do that.
Thank you, sir.

HMJr:

Thank you.

E:

Good-bye.

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FEB

2

1942

United Press News Item

President Reosevelt asked Congress to approve
a $500,000,000 loan to China.
Add Chinese Loan

Mr. Receevelt made the request in a letter to
Speaker Rayburn asking that Congress approve the

necessary appropriation and enabling legislation
for the $500,000,000 loan.

White House Secretary Early disclosed that
Secretary Morgenthan and Administrator Jones not
Saturday with Republican and Democratic Congressional

leaders and presented the plan for the loan.
From the conference came an agreement by leaders

of both parties on the request and Rayburn was expected to have a resolution introduced in the House
immediately, Early said.

2/2-21130A B-O

Copy:vv:2-2-42

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F. Dietrich

February 2, 1942.

United Press Hows Item

Add China Lean

The letter also was sent to Vice President Vallace who said
he believed the legislation would be introduced first in the House.

Mr. Reesevelt's letter said:
"Responsible officials both of this Government and of the Government of China, have brought to my attention the existence of urgent
need for the immediate extension to China of economic and financial
assistance, going beyond in amount and different in form from such

aid as Congress has already authorised. I believe that such additional assistance would serve to strengthen China's position as regards both her internal economy and her capacity in general to fune-

tion with great military effectiveness in our common effort.
*I urge, therefore, the passage by Congress of appropriate

legislation to this effect and attach hereto a suggested draft of
joint resolution which will accomplish this purpose.
Speaker Rayburn announced that the Chinese Aid Resolution would
be considered by the House by Wednesday.

Chairman Bloom of the Foreign Affairs Committee, introduced

the resolution shortly after the House net and planned to hold
hearings tomorrow.

2/2-21213P

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THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

February 2, 1942

TO:

THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY

FROM:

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

Appended is a copy of the
statement I propose to make to the
House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
I would appreciate any suggestions
you may care to make.
As you know, the Committee

will meet in executive session at
10:00 Tuesday morning.

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THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

February 2, 1942

TO:

THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE

FROM:

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

Appended is a copy of the
statement I propose to make to the
House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
I would appreciate any suggestions
you may care to make.
As you know, the Committee

will meet in executive session at
10:00 Tuesday morning.

[

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February 2, 1942

TO:

SECRETARY STIMSON

FROM:

SECRETARY MORGENTHAU

Appended is a copy of the
statement I propose to make to the
House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
I would appreciate receiving any
suggestions you may care to make.
As you know, the Committee

will meet in Executive Session at
10 Tuesday morning.

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February 2, 1942

TO:

SECRETARY HULL

FROM:

SECRETARY MORGENTHAU

Appended is a copy of the
statement I propose to make to the
House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

I would appreciate receiving any suggestions

you may care to make.

As you know, the Committee will meet
in Executive Session at 10 Tuesday morning.

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STATEMENT FOR SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY ON THE

JOINT RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SECRETARY OF THE
TREASURY WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES TO RENDER FINANCIAL AID TO CHINA AND
FOR OTHER PURPOSES

The purpose of my appearance before this committee

is to recommend favorable consideration of the Joint

Resolution to authorize the extension of financial assistance to China up to the amount of $500 million.

This proposal is a war measure. The effective contin-

uance of the Chinese military effort -- so invaluable in
our fight against the Axis powers -- depends largely upon
the strength of the economic structure of Free China. The

financing of the war effort is a major war task of the
Chinese Government and the efficient performance of this

task requires that the Chinese financial and monetary system
should be made as strong as possible.

In the United Nations Declaration to which China and

the United States are signatories, each of the United Nations

solemnly pledged itself to use its full resources in the
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common war. We have large financial resources. China's

financial resources are very limited in relation to the
tasks which it has undertaken. If any part of our financial
resources can be of assistance to China in the war against
our common enemy, I am sure that our people will want those

resources put to that use.
The Chinese have been fighting against the Japanese

for four and one-half years. They have not spared their

lives, their hodes, their farms, their factories, or their
financial resources in this struggle. They have remained
free because they were willing to make these sacrifices.
The people of China are carrying on unceasing war against

the Japanese in front of and behind the Japanese lines.

The Chinese Armies are not only holding their lines, but
on widely separated fronts they are gathering their men and

supplies to intensify their offensive. The Chinese people
have demonstrated to the whole world that a people who will
not be conquered cannot be conquered.
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In waging this war China has performed economic and

military miracles. At the beginning of the war the
Chinese people were engaged in creating a modern economic,

financial and currency system. The Japanese occupation
stripped the National Government of the sources which had

accounted for 80 percent of her revenues. To make matters
worse the apparatus of the financial and money markets in

the coastal cities fell into the hands of the Japanese.
Since December 7, the fall of Hong Kong and the complete

loss of the International Settlement have still further inpaired the financial structure of the Free Government of
China.

In these circumstances the Chinese Government had to

bear a double financial burden. It had not only to expand

its expenditures, but it also had to create a new financial
and banking system in the unoccupied area. It is not easy
even in peace-time to carry out such changes. Considering

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the terrific obstacles with which the Chinese Government
has been and still is confronted, it has succeeded amasingly

well in continuing its resistance to the enery.
We must face the fact, however, that the Chinese finanoial and monetary system has been severely strained in

the process. The budget is desperately unbalanced. Prices
are rising rapidly and at an accelerated rate. The accompanying economic and social dislocations are serious threats

to the Chinese war effort. It would be unwise for the
United States to ignore these weaknesses or to withhold

any aid within its power.
on several occasions in the past the United States
Government has rendered financial assistance to China. In
general that assistance was designed to finance the import

of goods and to help stabilise the exchange position of
China's surrency. In these financial arrangements China
has made payments on schedule and even ahead of schedule.

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And, under the most difficult circumstances, they have
maintained the expert to the United States of commodities

vital to our war effort. Indeed, the Government of China

has carried out to the letter every obligation to us
which it has assumed.

The Chinese Government has now urgently requested that

we come to their financial support so as to enable them

more effectively to carry on their war effort. We have
been constantly informed as to the financial and economic

situation within China. That information makes clear that
the granting of the financial assistance now being requested
would make a substantial contribution toward strengthening
the domestic economy of China.

The Chinese Government has informed us that the financial aid which the proposed Joint Resolution would make

available could be used by it in a variety of ways to strengthen
the financial and economic situation within China. without

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attempting at this time to specify the particular arrangements which would be entered into with China and which would

most effectively carry out the common objectives of China

and ourselves, we are fully satisfied that arrangements can
be worked out which will be of great financial and economic
help to the internal economy of China and will enable China

more effectively to earry on its war effort.

I think that you will be particularly interested in
the splendid record that the Government of China has main.
tained in the repayments of the loans we have already made,

notwithstanding the extremely difficult circumstances under
which she has been operating. Mr. Jesse Jones, no doubt,
can describe to you the gratifying way in which China has
handled the loan which the Export-Import Bank has made to
China.

You will recall that in December 1940, with the approval
of the Congressional committees, I made a 850 million
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-7stabilisation arrangement with China. A similar arrange
ment was made to China by the British. Under these arrangements, the China se governmental banks put up $20 million,

the British government put up 45 million, and the U. s.
Treasury 050 million, the Chinese contribution to be a

cushion for the U. S. contribution. so far, the Chinese
Stabilisation Board has not called on the United States for
any portion of the United States participation and has used
its own share for the management of its foreign exchange.
I may say here, too, that the joint management of that Fund
gives us every hope that future sums made available to them

will be used judiciously and effectively.
As you know, this Government is giving very substantial
Lend-Lease aid to China. of course, because of the tremendous

transportation difficulties, as well as the many-fold demands
on American war production, it will take time before the bulk
of this Lend-Lease commitment can be delivered to China.

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.8 These arrangements are proving in practice to have

been well-designed for their specific purposes and to be
to the actual advantage of both countries. They are
designed, however, to meet the specific problems involved

in the flow of goods to and fres China, the stabilising of
the foreign exchange value of the yuan, and the supplying
of war material.
The additional assistance now proposed is much more

comprehensive in scope and is designed especially to make

possible a strengthening of the internal economic and

financial structure of China. Furthermore, this financial

aid is of a different character from the stabilization
loans and Expert-Import Bank loans referred to. The proposed
aid contemplated here should be regarded as the financial

counterpart of lend-leasing war materials. It is designed
to the same end - namely, the successful prosecution of
the war, and should be evaluated in the same terms.
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-,The passage of the Joint Resolution authorising the

president to render financial aid to China, will be an outstanding contribution to the common war effort. It will be
a demonstration to our friends and a warning to our enemies
that the United States stands ready with every weapon in

its arsenal to assist all who are joined with us in this
fight for freedom.

I hope that in the light of the foregoing, you will
see fit to give this Joint Resolution your prompt and whelehearted support.

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February 2, 1942.

Dear Archie:

It was very good of you to send me the facts
and figures contained in your letter of January 29th,

which I read with a great deal of interest. I was

also glad to have the word concerning Mr. and Mrs. Chen.
Thank you again for your comment on my part is

the aid that has been given to China. I shall always
be glad to have you keep me informed of your program.
Sincerely,

(Signed) R. Morgenthan, ⑉

Mr. Archie Lochhead,

President, Universal Trading
Corporation,

630 Fifth Avenue,
New York, New York.
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UNIVERSAL TRADING CORPORATION
630 FIFTH AVENUE

ARCHIE LOCHHEAD

NEW YORK N.Y.

PRESIDENT

January 29th, 1942

My dear Mr. Secretary:
Since Pearl Harbor you may have wondered from time to

time how your brain child, Universal Trading Corporation, has been

faring. Accordingly I am writing you this brief report to keep you
posted to date.

Of the $25,000,000 wood oil credit maturing on December
31, 1943, we have borrowed $22,000,000 and have already repaid

$18,500,000. Of the $20,000,000 tin credit maturing in installments
from two to seven years after each advance we have borrowed

$13,000,000, and have already repaid $2,200,000. I have no doubt
that the balance of both loans will be paid; and on time - unless
shipments of wood oil and tin are temporarily suspended because of
war developments.

In spite of almost insuperable difficulties, Mr. Chen has

managed to keep up exports from China of wood oil and tin. We have
just heard from our principals in Rangoon that they have succeeded

in loading 2,200 tons of wood oil there. Further shipments will be

made whenever space is provided by the United States Maritime Commission, upon which we must depend for ships.

While we are naturally proud of this record, we take
greater satisfaction from knowing that our efforts have substantially contributed to the national defense program. For the past nine

months we have worked closely with the O.P.M. and have acted unof-

ficially as their agent in supplying all urgent requirements of wood
oil to manufacturers engaged in defense work. In addition, since

Pearl Harbor we have furnished the United States Navy 2,100 tons and

the Defense Supplies Corporation 5,500 tons for its strategic stock

pile. After all these defense provisions we still hold 3,000 tons

which we are authorized to distribute to the defense trade under instructions from government authorities. The distribution of our tin
shipments is also carried out in close cooperation with the govern-

ment authorities.

You will be glad to hear that Mr. and Mrs. Chen were just
able to get away from Hongkong before its fall, and are now safe in
Chungking.

The great work for China which you undertook almost singlehanded in 1938, is more deeply appreciated by the Chinese than you

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may realize, and really laid the ground for the close collaboration

now being worked out between the two allies. It should be a source
of great satisfaction to you as an American that your plans for helping China have also been the means of obtaining strategic materials
which otherwise would have been lacking for the United States war effort.

With kindest personal regards, I remain
Yours sincerely,

Archie Lochhead

The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.

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February 2, 1942

11:15 a.m.
HMJr:

Stephen

Hello.

Spingarn:

Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

Yes.

S:

Stephen Spingarn.

HMJr:

Yes.

S:

You know I'm handling the Treasury end of the

HMJr:

Yes.

S:

war powers bill on the Hill.

I'm at the House Judiciary Committee now, and

you know that provision of the bill that removes
the restriction on the Federal Reserve Banks of
buying direct from the Treasury
HMJr:
S:

Yeah.

The suggestion has been made by the Chairman that

he's received advice from certain quarters that
the Treasury is against that. I told him that
my information has been that while the division

is sponsored by the Federal Reserve, the Treasury
has no objection, and Oscar Cox had told me that

HMJr:

S:

he had cleared it with you.
Not only have we no objection, but I've told the
press about a week ago that I was for it.

That's right. And I told the Committee that I

would check with you and get that confirmation.
HMJr:

Now I told the press that I was for it.

S:

Right.

HMJr:

And I - that's over a week or ten days ago.

S:

Right. Well, I'll report that back to the
Committee.

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-2HMJr:

Okay.

S:

Thank you, sir.

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February 2, 1942
4:37 p.m.
Leon

Henderson: Hello. This is
HMJr:
H:

HMJr:
H:

Leon.

Hello, Leon.
Remember the other day you had some information
that Archangel was open?
Yes.

Well, I checked today with Robeson. He said
our Naval Attache there reported that on Friday

it was still frozen, and not only that but one

of the two big ice-breakers they had relied on

had been bombed.
HMJr:

H:

HMJr:
H:

Well, I've been kidded before. Evidently they've
been kidding me again.

Well, I asked - do you know Robeson at all?
No.

Robeson is - if you want anything - he's the
fellow that handles the emergency shipping.

HMJr:

Yeah.

H:

When you want accurate information, I've found

this over a period of time, that that fellow 18

a - he's in the Maritime, you know
HMJr:

Yeah, I know.

and he's a swell operator, and he's very

H:

clean-cut about what he has to say.
HMJr:

Good.

He said they sent out everything that they could that was available to take - to Russia last month.
HMJr:

Yeah.

That he had some boats available and nothing

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to go, and he sent coal to South America with
them rather than see them sit around.
HMJr:
H:

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:
H:

Yeah.

And about seventeen actually landed and about

thirty-two went out of here.

I see.

And when you want anything - I suggest you take
his name down and
I have.

And when you get a little thing like that, you
might check with him.

HMJr:

I think it's a good idea.

H:

Because otherwise they may kid you and

HMJr:

That's possible.

that's the last thing in the world that

H:

you ought to be done to.
HMJr:

Righto.

H:

All right, Henry.

HMJr:

Thank you.

M:

Good-bye.

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155

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE FEB 2 1942

Secretary Morgenthau

E.H. Foley, Jr.
Re: Luscombe Airplane Corporation

Pursuant to your approval, an investigation of the
records and personnel of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation at Trenton, New Jersey, was begun on Monday,
February 2.

The investigating staff is headed by James M.

Williamson, Chief of the Alcohol Tax Division of the
Office of Chief Counsel of the Bureau of Internal Revenue.
In addition to guards and stenographers, Mr. Williamson

will be assisted by the following personnel:
Lawrence Lesser, attorney
George E. McMurray, Jr., attorney
Frank H. Coe, investigator from Erwin May's

staff
Morris F. Kahn, engineer and investigator
from the Bureau of Internal
Revenue.

8.10.7h

OK.

m.h.

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FEB 2 1942

My dear Mr. Secretary:

You will be interested to know that a Treasury
Department staff has begun an investigation of the
records and personnel of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation, at Trenton, New Jersey.

Information at present available to the Treasury
Department indicates that a substantial part of the stock
of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation is owned or controlled

by a foreign national, one Leopold Klots. Accordingly,
the Corporation is under the freezing control of the
Treasury Department.

The ar Department will be kept advised of the

progress and the results of this investigation.
Very truly yours,

(Signed) N. is
Secretary of the Treasury.
The Honorable

The Secretary of War.

nm.c.
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By Messenger Hapkins
6:25

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FEB

2

My dear Mr. Secretary:

You will be interested to know that a Treasury
Department staff has begun an investigation of the
records and personnel of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation, at Trenton, New Jersey.

Information at present available to the Treasury
Department indicates that a substantial part of the stock
of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation is owned or controlled

by a foreign national, one Leopold Klotz. Accordingly,
the Corporation is under the freezing control of the
Treasury Department.

The Navy Department will be kept advised of the

progress and the results of this investigation.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) N. Morgenthau. So.

Secretary of the Treasury.
The Honorable

The Secretary of the Navy.

n.m.c.
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By Messenser
Nephine
5:20

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FEB 2 1942

My dear Mr. Chairman:

You will be interested to know that a Treasury
Department staff has begun an investigation of the
records and personnel of the Luscombe Airplane Cor-

poration, at Trenton, New Jersey.

Information at present available to the Treasury
Department indicates that a substantial part of the
stock of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation is owned

or controlled by a foreign national, one Leopold Klots.
Accordingly, the Corporation is under the freezing
control of the Treasury Department.

The Civil Aeronautics Board will be kept advised

of the progress and the results of this investigation.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) N. Morgenthan. IN

Secretary of the Treasury.

Hon. L. Welch Pogue,
Chairman,

Civil Aeronautics Board,
Washington, D. C.

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n.m.c.
capino wfoley
By Messenger

Nophine
5:20

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington
FOR

Press Service

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Monday, February 2, 1942

The Treasury Department announced today that

a staff of Treasury representatives under J. M. Williamson,
of the office of the General Counsel of the Treasury
Department, has begun an investigation of the records and
personnel of the Luscombe Airplane Corporation at Trenton,

New Jersey. The corporation is under the freezing control
of the Treasury Department.

000

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington

Press Service

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE,

No. 30-5

Monday, February 2, 1942.

The Treasury Department announced today that a staff of
Treasury representatives under J. . M. Williamson, of the Office
of the General Counsel of the Treasury Department, has begun
an investigation of the records and personnel of the Luscombe
Airplane Corporation at Trenton, New Jersey.

The corporation is under the freezing control of the
Treasury Department.

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TO: Secretary Morgenthau

The purpose of the attached mem-

randum is to familiarize you with
matter which will probably be
at

near

raised ttorney General Cabinet in meeting the by the fu-

ture: the proposed creation of a

general governmental committee to
consider charges of un-American
activities against Government employees and make advisory recomFendations to agency heads involved.

The proposal is patterned after the
Treasury Un-American Activities

Committee set-up.

As I have indicated in the at-

tached memorandum, it is my recommendation that the Treasury support

the proposal, which will afford

assurances that both Government and

employee interests will be considered in the disposition of these
cases, and will provide some degree

of uniformity in the treatment of
atters which are now handled in

sidely disparate fashion in dif-

ferent agencies.

MR. FOLEY

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INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE FEB 2 1942
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Mr. Foley

At my request, Spingarn recently attended a number
of interdepartmental conferences on ways and means of

handling charges of un-American activities against Fed-

eral personnel so as to protect both the interests of the
Government and the basic rights of the employee in each

case. Participating in these conferences have been chief
law officers of various Government agencies including Jim
Rowe of Justice, Jerry Reilly of the Labor Board, Warner
Gardner, the Solicitor of the Labor Department, Telford
Taylor, the General Counsel of the Federal Communications
Commission, and others.

The matter arose as a result of the list of almost
two thousand alleged communists that Representative Dies

sent the Attorney General a few months ago. The F.B.I. has
been investigating each of these cases, and the question
now arises as to what should be the procedures for handling

the investigation reports when they are completed. The conferees, however, agreed that the problem was larger than

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this, that cases were continually arising in each of the
agencies in which such charges were made against employees.

The present methods of handling these cases differ widely.
In some agencies persons so charged have been fired out of

hand without any notice or hearing. Other agencies have
proceeded more judicially in these cases. Spingarn explained
the Treasury Un-American Activities Committee set-up, and
there was general agreement that this represented an admirable

solution of the problem.
After considerable discussion, the conferees came to

the conclusion that the best thing to do was to establish
a general governmental committee to deal with these cases.
The committee would be composed of both Government officers

and public members: the public members to be retired judges,
leading members of the bar, and other persons whose character
and fairness would command general respect; the Government

members to be officers of similar character who would not be

vulnerable to attack on the ground that they were fellow
travelers or had radical associations. The committee would
be large enough so that it could operate by subcommittee and

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in the field. It would consider the investigation reports
in the cases referred to it, hold hearings when justified,
and report its findings and recommendations to the appropriate agency head in connection with each case. Such
recommendations would be purely advisory, however (and

indeed could not be legally otherwise), and the agency
head could then retain or fire the employee involved as
he saw fit.

Because of his experience with the Treasury Un-American

Activities Committee, Spingarn was asked to prepare a draft
of an Executive Order establishing such committee, and I

attach a copy of the Order he prepared. It establishes an
"Advisory Committee on Subversive Activities" to be appointed by the President and requires all agencies except
Army and Navy to refer to the committee all cases now pend-

ing or which may hereafter arise in such agencies in which
charges of un-American activities have been made against an

officer or an employee. After appropriate consideration in
accordance with procedures which it is to establish (which
are required by the Order to be so framed as to further the

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best interests of the Government in time of war and

adequately to protect the essential rights of accused
officers and employees), the committee is to transmit
its findings and communications to the appropriate agency
head who is not bound by them but can follow them or not

as he sees fit. Agency heads, moreover, are expressly
authorized to transfer or suspend accused officers or
employees at any time before or after their cases may
be referred to the committee. For obvious reasons the
War and Navy Departments are not required (as are the

other agencies) to refer their cases to the committee,
but they are authorized to do so if they wish.
The proposed Executive Order has now received the

approval of all the conferees. The Attorney General is
expected to bring the matter up for discussion at Cabinet
meeting in the near future.
I recommend for your consideration that the Treasury

support the proposal. It is true that the Treasury is
handling its own cases without the trouble that some of
the other agencies are experiencing. Our Un-American

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Activities Committee has received general approbation.

(See, for example, Jerry Kluttz's column in the Washington
Post of November 26, 1941, which after the statement that
"Treasury Secretary Morgenthau is credited with supplying

a practical answer to a very delicate problem" briefly
describes our set-up). However, I don't think that because we have been able to handle our own cases without

too much trouble we should refrain from helping other
agencies which have been less fortunate. A general governmental committee along the lines indicated would pro-

vide a very desirable degree of uniformity in the treatment of these cases and would give assurance that in the

disposal of these cases consideration would be given both

w

to the interests of the Government and those of the employee.

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EXECUTIVE ORDER

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ESTABLISHING AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER
CHARGES OF SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES MADE AGAINST
OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE UNITED STATES.

By virtue of and purusnat to the authority vested in me as
President of the United States by the Constitution and statutes
of the United States, and in order to provide for more uniform
consideration and disposition of charges of subversive activities
against officers and employees of the United States with due regard

to the best interests of the United States in its war efforts and
the essential rights of officers and employees against whom charges

are made, it is hereby ordered as follows:

1. There is hereby established in the Executive Office of the
President an Advisory Committee on Subversive Activities (hereafter
referred to as the Committee) to consider charges of subversive and

disloyal activities made against officers and employees of the
United States.

2. The Committee shall consist of a chairman and a vicechairman, to be designated by the President, and such other members
representing the Government and the public as the President may

from time to time hereafter appoint.

3. It shall be the duty of the Committee, in accordance with
such procedures as it may prescribe, to consider any case referred

to it (1) by the head of any department, agency or corporation of
the United States in the Executive branch of the Government (hereafter

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referred to as agency head and agency, respectively), based upon

charges against a civilian officer or employee of such agency

that such officer or employee is disloyal or advocates, or is #
member of an organisation that advocates, the overthrow of the

Government of the United States by force or violence, or that
such officer or employee is otherwise engaged in subversive acti-

vities, or (2) any case referred to it by the Attorney General
based upon such charges against any civilian officer or employee
in any agency.

4. (a) Except as otherwise provided in subparagraph (b) of
this paragraph, each agency head is hereby directed to refer to
the Committee each case currently pending or which may hereafter

come to his attention, in which charges of the character described
in paragraph 3 have been made against an officer or employee of

his agency, and the Attorney General is hereby directed to refer to
the Committee each case currently pending or which may hereafter
come to his attention in which such charges have been made against

an officer or employee of any agency: Provided. however, That no

case shall be referred to the Committee until an investigation of
the charges in such case has been made by the appropriate agency

or agencies. A copy of such investigation report or reports shall
be transmitted to the Committee at the same time that the case is

referred to it.
(b) Nothing in this Order shall apply to officers and enlisted
men of the military establishments or to civilian officers and employees of the War Department or the Navy Department (including the

Coast Guard) and their field services: Provided. however, That the
Secretary of War or the Secretary of the Navy may, in his discretion,

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refer any case involving a civilian officer or employee of his
Department to the Committee in accordance with the provisions of
this Order.

5. After appropriate consideration, the Committee shall transmit its findings and recommendations to the appropriate agency
head, and (if the case was referred to the Committee by the Attorney
General) to the Attorney General. The findings and recommendations

shall be purely advisory in character and after their consideration
the agency head shall take such action, if any, as in his judgment
the circumstances require. The agency head may, however, transfer

or suspend such officer or employee at any time before or after the

case is referred to the Committee, if in his judgment such action is
necessary to protect the interests of the Government.

6. The Committee shall prescribe its procedures, but they
shall be framed so as to further the best interests of the Government in time of war and adequately to protect the essential rights
of officers and employees against whom charges have been made. The
Committee may act through subcommittees of one or more members,

and may appoint persons not members of the Committee to act as

members of field subcommittees outside the District of Columbia,
and such persons and field subcommittees shall have all the rights,
powers, and privileges of regular members and subconmittees of the
Committee.

7. The Committee is hereby empowered to employ such persons

as it may deem necessary; to fix the compensation of such persons;

to incur all necessary expenses for services and supplies; and to
direct such travel of members and employees at public expense as
it may deem necessary in the accomplishment of its work. Members of

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the Committee shall serve without compensation in that capacity,
but each of the members of the Committee shall receive payment for

his actual and necessary expenses for transportation, and in addition a subsistence allowance of ten dollars per diem while away

from his official station in the case of governmental members, or
while away from his place of residence in the case of public members,
in connection with the work of the Committee. Employees of the
Committee shall receive such travel and other allowances as civilian
employees of the United States receive generally by law.

8. All of the expenses of the Committee shall be paid on
vouchers approved by the Chairman (or other person authorised by
the Committee) from allocations to be made to the Committee for
that purpose from the Emergency Fund for the President.

9. All executive officers and agencies of the United States
are hereby authorized to furnish the Committee such facilities,
services, and cooperation as it may from time to time request.

10. The Committee shall make a public report at least semiannually of its procedures, disbursements, and by general classification, the number and nature of cases referred to and handled
by it and the findings and recommendations therein.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January , 1942.

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The National Archives
Washington, D.C.

NOTES CONCERNING THE FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY AT HYDE PARK, N. Y.

Papers recently transferred to the Franklin D. Roosevelt
Library by the President include letters, memoirs, and diaries of
various officers of the United States Navy, 1775-1898; Mr.
Roosevelt's diplomas and certificates of membership in various
organizations, 1905-41; copies of letters, reports, and memoranda
received by the Office of the Secretary of the Navy from naval units
and bureaus, 1913-20; and copies of the official stenographic reports
of the President's press conferences, January-June 1941. Material
recently acquired relating to the history of Dutchess County, N. Y.,

includes correspondence and other papers of the DePeyster family,
1697-1865, and diaries, notebooks, and bird-banding records kept
by Maunsell S. Crosby of Rhinebeck, N. Y., 1909-31.

The Second Annual Report of the Archivist of the United States

as to the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library (19 p.), just published,
describes the activities of the Library during the fiscal year
1940-41 and includes a descriptive list of material deposited in
the Library by the President or acquired by it from other sources

to June 30, 1941. Copies of the Report may be obtained from the
Division of Information and Publications of The National Archives,
Washington, D. C.

February 2, 1942

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SECOND ANNUAL REPORT OF THE
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AS TO THE

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY
1940-1941

THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES
+

SECOND ANNUAL REPORT OF THE
ARCHIVIST OF THE UNITED STATES
AS TO THE

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY
HYDE PARK. N. Y.

For the Fiscal Year Ending June 30
1941

1934

UNITED STATES

GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON 1942

THE FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY
(As of November 15, 1941)

SOLON J. Buck-Archivist of the United States.
FRED W. SHIPMAN-Director of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library.

LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL
THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES,

Washington, D. C., November 15, 1941.
To the Congress of the United States:

In compliance with section 208, title II, of the joint resolution,
approved July 18, 1939 (53 Stat. 1062-1066), which requires the
Archivist of the United States to make to Congress "at the beginning
of each regular session, a report of the preceding fiscal year as to the
Franklin D. Roosevelt Library," I have the honor to submit herewith
the second annual report on the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, which

NATIONAL ARCHIVES PUBLICATION No. 19

covers work performed under the direction of my predecessor,
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R. D. W. Connor, during the fiscal year ending June 30, 1941.
Respectfully,
SOLON J. BUCK,

Archivist of the United States.

SECOND ANNUAL REPORT OF THE ARCHIVIST
OF THE UNITED STATES AS TO THE
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY
Four days after the beginning of the fiscal year under review, on
July 4, 1940, the building for the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, then
virtually completed, was turned over to the Government of the United
States by the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Inc., a nonprofit New
York corporation that had constructed it from funds privately subscribed, and was accepted for the Government by the Archivist of
the United States, who is responsible for the administration of the
Library. During the year finishing touches were put on the building,
equipment was installed, and the grounds were landscaped, all without cost to the Government; a small but well-qualified staff was
appointed; large quantities of manuscripts, books, and museum objects
were received, chiefly from the President; and the work of arranging
this material was begun. Sufficient progress in arrangement had been
made by the last day of the fiscal year to permit the opening to the
public of the exhibition rooms and museum portions of the building,
and accordingly, on June 30, the building was formally dedicated by
the President.

The institution that was thus made available to the American people
will serve primarily as a depository for the manuscripts, books, prints,

paintings, and other historical material accumulated by Franklin D.
Roosevelt. This material includes his public and personal papers
covering the years of his services as New York State senator, 1910-13,
as Assistant Secretary of the Navy, 1913-20, as Governor of New York,
1929-33, and as President of the United States; political material relating especially to the Presidential campaigns of 1920, 1924, 1928,
1932, 1936, and 1940; letters, log books, and other manuscripts relating to American history, especially the history of the American Navy

since 1775, and paintings, drawings, prints, and models of many
famous American naval vessels; a small but valuable collection of material relating to the history of the State of New York, and particularly
of Dutchess County and flibrary of some 15,000 books and pamphlets,
some of them rare, many of them autographed copies from the authors,

and the great bulk of them important works for American history.
The Library hopes also to acquire by gift or deposit the papers of
other persons and organizations that have been influential during the
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period since 1910 and to build up a comprehensive collection of related
books and pamphlets. Thus there will be made available under Fed.

eral control and for the use of the public an extensive collection of
source material relating to this important epoch in American history.
BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY

November 18, 1940, and April 28, 1941, respectively; and Eleanor G.
McGonagle, formerly cataloger in the library of Tufts College and
research secretary for the Mount Vernon Ladies Association, was
appointed junior archivist and cataloger on November 12, 1940. This
professional staff was supplemented in the course of the year by the
appointment of a museum aide, a secretary to the Director, two clerks,

When the U-shaped, Dutch colonial building of stone, set far back
from the New York-Albany Post Road on a 16-acre tract deeded
without cost to the Government by the President from the Roosevelt
Hyde Park estate, was turned over to the Archivist on July 4, it was
far from ready for final occupancy. In the months that followed the
remaining work was done and "tenant changes" to increase the useful.
ness of the building were made. Stacks and shelves for the storage
of manuscripts and books were already in place, but 35,000 fiber boxes
for the preservation of manuscript material and a machine for the
playing of sound recordings of speeches and other historical events
were obtained. Cases, tables, shelves, and similar equipment were
purchased or constructed for the museum objects. Outside the build.
ing. the grounds around the Library were landscaped, a public parking
space, a ticket booth. and walks were constructed, and fences and signs

erected. All this work was done without cost to the Government
by the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Inc., working in close cooperation with the President. the Archivist, and the members of the Library
staff
and using funds donated by more than 28,000 public-spirited
citizens,
THE STAFF

To supervise the completion of the building and the installation of
its equipment and to care for the manuscripts, books, museum objects,
and other materials that were to come to the Library, the Archivist
proceeded soon after the beginning of the year to appoint a staff for
the Library. Fred W. Shipman, a member of the National Archives
staff since June 1935 and Chief of the Division of State Department
Archives since March 1936 and previously a research worker for the
American Antiquarian Society and a historical expert in the Depart-

ment of State, was appointed Director of the Library on July 16.
Edgar B. Nixon. also formerly employed as a historical expert in the
Department of State in connection with the publication of the Territorial Papers. was appointed associate archivist at the Library on
November 1. James L. Whitehead, formerly State Supervisor of
the WPA Survey of Federal Archives in Pennsylvania, and John S.
Curtiss, formerly area project supervisor of the Historical Records
Survey in New York and instructor in history in several municipal
colleges in New York City, were appointed assistant archivists on

and a laborer. As the Library is a field agency of The National
Archives, the staff of the latter institution is used in connection with
such administrative matters as equipment, finances, and personnel.

The professional work is organized along three distinct lines of
activity as determined by the three major types of material in the
Library-manuscripts, printed material, and museum objects-but no
professional worker on the staff will be restricted to any single one
of the three lines of activity. Each worker will be expected to acquire
a general knowledge of all material in the Library, and as the work on
the manuscripts progresses he will be assigned a field of specialization,

which will necessitate not only complete familiarity with relevant
portions of the holdings of the Library but also an acquaintance with
the extent. location, and value of related materials, both manuscript

and printed, that may be in existence elsewhere. He will also be
responsible for all the steps in the arrangement and description of the

materials in his immediate charge from the time of their receipt to
their final analysis and description. To familiarize the staff further
with the techniques employed in the Library and the subject matter
of its holdings, a series of staff meetings was held during the year as
part of an in-service training program.
MATERIAL RECEIVED

As soon as the Library building was turned over to the Government, the President started sending material to it, and throughout
the year he continued to turn over material to the Library as rapidly
as it could be absorbed. No material for the collection was purchased and only a small quantity was received through gifts from
persons other than the President. In accepting these gifts care was
exercised to observe the provision of the law creating the Library
that limits the material the Library may acquire from other sources
by gift, purchase, or loan to "historical books related to and other
historical material contemporary with and related to the historical
material acquired from the donor." that is, from Franklin D. Roose-

velt, This provision wisely prohibits the acquisition of items or
collections intrinsically interesting but unrelated to the purposes to
which the institution is dedicated.
Manuscript material.-During the fiscal year 1941 approximately
2.036 linear feet of manuscript material was received, 1,563 feet

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from the President and 493 feet from other sources, The

Greetings and invitations. 1933-40. 69 feet. Birthday greetings, letters relating to the Birthday Balls, and congratulations on anniversaries of the

from the President fall into three groups relating respectively papers
his activities as a leader of the Democratic Party, as Governor to

President's elections and inaugurations and other occasions.

New York State, and as President. Papers in the last of

Press conferences of the President. 1933-40. 16 volumes, typed. Carbon copies

prise about three quarters of the manuscripts received to group date, com.

Correspondence on the Bonus Bill. 1935. 11 feet. Letters opposing or supporting the Patman Adjusted Service Certificate Bill.
Relief authorizations, 1935. 4 feet. Copies of letters from the President authorizing the transfer of relief funds to specific projects.
on the Judiciary Reorganization Bill. 1937. 35 feet. Letters
Correspondence
in support of or opposing the Judiciary Reorganization Bill, divided pro and

of official stenographic reports.

of them only a few are concerned with the executive and policy. and
making aspects of the Presidential office. Most of them consist
letters to the President offering advice or criticism on national issues of

or soliciting aid on matters of personal or local character.

Thethe
following
are the groups of papers that have been received
from
President:

con, with copies of the President's replies.

Third term correspondence. 1937-40. 37 feet. Letters to the President urging
or opposing his candidacy for a third term.
Correspondence and papers of Louis McHenry Howe, 1913-20, 1930-36. 31 feet.

Campaign correspondence 1924. 10 feet. Relates to Mr. Roosevelt's services
as chairman of the New York State committee for the nomination of Alfred
EL Smith as Presidential candidate of the Democratic Party.

This material relates to Howe's term of service as assistant to Assistant
Secretary of the Navy Franklin D. Roosevelt and to his secretaryship to

Campaign correspondence and papers. 1928-30 5 feet. Chiefly letters recelved by Mr. Roosevelt in his capacity as campaign manager for Alfred E
Smith during the Presidential campaign of 1928.

Mr. Roosevelt as Governor of New York and as President,

The following groups of papers have been received from the

Campaign correspondence. 1928-33. 163 feet. Letters and telegrams to Mr.
Roosevelt from Democratic Party officials and workers and from the general
public, with copies of his replies.

persons, organizations, and agencies named at the beginning of the
descriptions:

Harry L. Hopkins. Papers as Works Progress Administrator 1933-38. 125

Personal correspondence while Governor of New York State. 1929-33. 46 feet
Campaign correspondence and papers. 1930-36. 20 feet. Financial records

feet.

Mrs. Franklin D. Roosevelt. Correspondence. 1930-31. 2 feet.
Democratic National Committee. Patronage correspondence. 1938-40. 8 feet.
Letters to the committee with reference to positions in the Government

of the 1932 Democratic National Campaign Committee: 1936 election campaign

literature: and analyses of the political situation In 1936.
Addresses as Governor and President 1930-40 10 volumes, typed. Carbon
copies of official stenographic reports of the addresses,
Correspondence. 1932-33. 29 feet. Letters to Mr. Roosevelt, for the most part
from the general public, relating largely to the campaign for the Presidential
nomination and election and to the inauguration
Addresses as Presidential candidate and President. 1932-40. 22 Items, Drafts
and final copies of the addresses of July 2, 1932, August 14, 1936, March 4.
1937, and December
29, 1940, with corrections and additions in pencil in Mr.
Roosevelt's
hand.

Democratic National Committee, Women's Division, Campaign records, correspondence, and literature. 1934-40. 34 feet.
National Committee of Independent Voters, Campaign records and correspondence. 1936-40. 27 feet.

(

Commerce Department National Recovery Administration documents 1933-36.

230 feet. Copies of the codes formulated by the NRA, of the Executive
orders of the President placing them in effect, and of histories of the making

of the codes.

White House alphabetical file. 1933-36. 1,050 feet. Letters to the President
from the general public, with abstracts of letters forwarded to various
agencies of the Government and of letters placed in other White House files

Interior Department, Bituminous Coal Division. Copy of the official record in
Docket 15, presenting a detailed account of the Division's actions in establishing minimum prices and marketing rules and regulations. 1939-40. 67 feet.

President's personal file relating to gifts. 1933-37. 12 feet. Letters to the

Printed material.-The Library received 2,469 books and 673

and copies of replies.

President accompanying gifts, with copies of his replies

Papers relating to trips of the President 1933-38. 14 feet. Correspondence
and memoranda dealing with arrangements, itineraries, speeches, Interviews
and administrative matters

Correspondence relating to radio addresses and messages. 1933-39. 17 feet.
Letters commenting on the Issues touched upon in the President's speeches,
with copies of his replies.

Papers on national polities. 1933-39. 6 feet. Letters, reports, and memoranda from Democratic Party leaders submitting analyses of the political
situation throughout the country.

White House press releases 1933-39. 4 feet Chiefly mimeographed re
leases, with some brief releases in typewritten form. and a number of memoranda on the preparation of the releases.

pamphlets from the President, including 359 books relating to the
history of the United States Navy, 673 nineteenth century pamphlets
and periodicals containing biographies of prominent American naval
men, 94 books on Dutchess County history, and 2,016 books on history,

economics, biography, and current affairs. Many of the President's
books and pamphlets have added interest because they contain comments and notations in his hand or because they are inscribed copies
presented by the authors. In addition, 1,319 books and 10,242
pamphlets, for the most part Government publications, were received
from other sources. Thus the Library had acquired by the end of the
year 3,788 books and 10,915 pamphlets.
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Museum material.-In his long career the President has collected
or has had given to him hundreds of museum objects. During the
year the Library received from the President naval prints and pietures and ship models, which he had spent many years in collecting:
rare and beautiful items, such as oriental rugs, Chinese carvings,
Scandinavian glassware, and Arabic metal work, which had been
given to him by friends and admirers from all over the world; and
hundreds of trinkets, souvenirs, relies, and curios, which had been
sent to him by men, women, and children from all parts of the United
States as evidence of their esteem and good will. By groups, this
material consisted of 161 naval prints and paintings and other pietures; 113 ship models; 550 coins, medals, medallions, and pieces of
jewelry; 51 walking sticks; 44 flags and pennants; 27 gavels: 18
paperweights; 14 vases; and 842 other objects of a miscellaneous
character. The holdings of the Library were also enriched by the

formerly a part of the Roosevelt family library are kept in
special books groups, but all other printed material with the exception of
Government publications is being arranged in a single subject classification based on that used by the Library of Congress. Printed Liof Congress cards are used for cataloging whenever feasible,
but brary most of the books received from the President require special
identification and cataloging to indicate such facts as the presence
of his autograph, notations in his hand, or signatures by authors on
presentation copies. The subject entries indicated on the Library of
Congress cards are supplemented by additional entries for all topics
of importance within the Library's field of interest, Printed material
received from Government agencies is arranged alphabetically by the
names of the agencies, and checking cards have been made for docu-

ments regularly issued. During the year the titles of the 2,469
books received from the President were alphabetically listed, 302 titles
were cataloged, and 1,393 cards were prepared for the public catalog.

receipt from other sources of 32 pictures and 18 miscellaneous objects,

bringing the total number of museum objects received during the

Museum material.-A complete inventory was made of the 1,850
museum objects received by the Library during the year, and some
500 of these objects were chosen for initial display. The museum exhibits will be rotated periodically to permit the display of the material not yet used and of new material that may be received. It is
desirable for exhibits at the Library to be at once nautical, biographical, artistic, and historical, in short, for them to bear the imprint of
the President's interests and to be representative of his activities, It
was fortunate, therefore, that the President was able to play a large
part in arranging the initial exhibit, particularly in the Naval Ex-

year to 1,850.

ARRANGEMENT AND DESCRIPTION OF MATERIAL

Manuscript material.-Most of the papers thus far received have
been products of active, well-organized offices and were consequently
well arranged in files at the time of the creation of the records. When
such files are received, no attempt is made to change their arrange-

ment: only files lacking identity or original arrangement or papers
obviously misfiled are arranged in the Library. The papers received
are therefore ordinarily removed from the filing cases, packing boxes,
or other original containers, are supplied with new folders if necessary, and are then placed in fiber boxes each of which holds approximately 3 linear inches of material, The boxes are given identifying
labels and are laid flat on steel shelves, usually in rows two boxes high

on each shelf.

By the end of the year inventories based on careful examination
and study of the papers had been made of all papers received from
the President with the exception of his correspondence during the
period of his governorship, and the following five groups of papers
of the President, amounting to 743 linear feet in all, had been labeled
and shelved Correspondence, 1932-33; White House alphabetical file,
1933-36 (in part) President's personal file relating to gifts, 1933-37:
Correspondence on the Bonus Bill, 1935: and Correspondence on the

Judiciary Reorganization Bill, 1937. The work of arranging and
describing the manuscript material had not progressed sufficiently
far. however, to permit its use for research.

Printed material.-Books and pamphlets relating to the history of
the United States Navy and to the history of Dutchess County and

(

hibition Room.

The objects on display are distributed through several rooms. In
the Main Exhibition Room on the first floor a diversified collection of
objects is displayed in cases and cabinets, in the Naval Exhibition
Room on the same floor numerous ship models are on display, in
the Oddities Room on the ground floor over 100 miscellaneous gifts
from the general public are placed on open shelves and tables, and in
another exhibition room nearby carriages, sleighs, and ice boats of
the President and his family are placed; and in all these rooms, except
the last, pictures suitable to their surroundings have been hung. In
accordance with standard museum practice, cards and labels identifying or explaining the significance of the objects on display are placed

with them.

RELATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH OTHER INSTITUTIONS

As might be expected, the Library has attracted the attention of
the public at large because of its personal relationship to the Presi-

dent of the United States. Representatives of newspapers have
visited the Library from time to time and have written articles

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about it, and many newspaper men, as well as newsreel

visited the building during the year. Among the earlier visitors persons

were persons of national and international importance, as well

many professionally interested individuals, including librarians from as
the New York State extension service and members of the Society

of American Archivists Distinguished foreign visitors included
Crown Princess Martha of Norway, His Excellency the Earl of
Athlone, Governor General of Canada, Her Royal Highness Princess
Alice, and W. L. Mackenzie King, the Prime Minister of Canada.
From the interest evidenced thus far it seems likely that the visitors
to the Library will number in the thousands annually.
The general public will be admitted to the exhibition rooms and museum portions of the building beginning with the first day of the new
fiscal year. These portions of the building will be open Tuesdays to
Saturdays inclusive from 9:30 a. m. to 5 p. m., and Sundays and

holidays (including any holiday that falls on Monday) from 11
a. m. to 5 p. m. An admission fee of 25 cents will be charged all
visitors except those under 12 years of age, but no fees will be charged
for the use of books and papers in the Library when they are made
available to investigators. The funds so collected are administered

for the benefit of the Library by the Archivist. Under the provisions of the resolution establishing the Library, gifts and bequests
to it of personal property may be received and administered as trust
funds by a Board of Trustees composed of the Archivist and the
Secretary of the Treasury as ex officio members and five others ap-

pointed by the President for life. The President has appointed
Basil O'Connor, Frank C. Walker, Harry L. Hopkins, and Samuel E.
as trustees, and one vacancy on the board remains to be

filled.
Morison

Other institutions have been especially helpful in the work of the
Library. The Library of Congress has supplied bibliographies and
catalog cards, subject headings lists, classification schedules, and various other tools used in cataloging and has otherwise been of material

aid. The Vassar College Library and the Adriance Memorial Library of Poughkeepsie have been extremely helpful in lending books
and answering inquiries. Too much cannot be said of the assistance

rendered by the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Inc., which, as
mentioned earlier in the report, has borne most of the expenses
the involved in furnishing and equipping the building and in providing
landscaping and other necessary work on the grounds.

FISCAL AFFAIRS

The resolution establishing the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library
authorizes the Archivist to pay the expenses incurred by him in carry.
out his duties with respect to the Library from the appropriations
for ing The National Archives and requires him to submit to Congress
annually a detailed statement of the receipts and expenditures on
account of the Library. The expenses incurred by the Archivist for
the Library during the fiscal year 1941 were accordingly paid from

the appropriations for The National Archives contained in the Independent Agencies Appropriation Act, 1941, approved April 18,
1940 (Public, No. 459, 76th Cong.) Expenditures and obligations
for the Library during the year, insofar as it is possible to segregate
them, totaled $23,405, as indicated in the following statement:
Obligations and expenditures for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1941
Salaries and expenses
Personal services

$15,016

Supplies and material
Communication service

2,289

Travel expense

1,784

1,019

Transportation of things

3

raphers, were present at the dedication of the Library. Even photog. though

the Library was not opened to the general public, over 1,000

9

Repairs and alterations

70

Special and miscellaneous

80

Equipment

Total salaries and expenses
Printing and binding

2,527

$22,788
617

$23,405

Funds for the operation of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library for
the fiscal year 1942 were provided in the appropriations for The
National Archives in the Independent Agencies Appropriation Act,
1942, approved April 5, 1941 (Public, No. 28, 77th Cong.).

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Library, as a gift from the donor, such collection of his-

APPENDIX I

Roosevelt material as shall be donated by the donor. The Archivist
torical also acquire for the said Library from other sources, by gift,

may or loan, historical books related to and other historical
purchase, contemporary with and related to the historical material

RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
LIBRARY, APPROVED JULY 18, 1939
[53 Stat. 1062-1006]

Joint Resolution to provide for the establishment and maintenance of the
Franklin D. Roosevelt Library. and for other purposes.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

TITLE I-DEFINITIONS
SECTION 1. As used in this joint resolution-

(a) The term "donor" means Franklin D. Roosevelt.
(b) The term "historical material" includes books, correspondence.
papers,
pamphlets,
works
of art. models, pictures, photographs, plats,
maps, and
other similar
material.

(c) The term "Board" means the Trustees of the Franklin D.

Roosevelt Library.

TITLE II-FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY
SEC. 201. The Archivist of the United States is authorized to accept

for and in the name of the United States from the donor, or from
such person or persons as shall be empowered to act for the donor.
title to a tract of land consisting of an area of twelve acres, more or
less, of the Hyde Park estate of the donor and his family, located
on the New York-Albany Post Road, in the town of Hyde Park,
Dutchess County, State of New York: such area to be selected and
carved out of the said estate by the donor and to be utilized as a
site for the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library provided for in this title.
SEC. 202. The Archivist is authorized to permit the Franklin D.
Roosevelt Library, Incorporated, a New York corporation organized

for that purpose, to construct on the area referred to in section 201 of
this title a building, or buildings, to be designated as the Franklin D.
Roosevelt Library, and to landscape the grounds within the said area.
Such project shall be carried out in accordance with plans and specifications approved by the Archivist. The Federal Works Administration is authorized to permit the facilities and personnel of the Public
Building Administration to be utilized in the preparation of plans for

and in the construction and equipping of the project: Provided,
That the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Incorporated, shall enter
into an arrangement satisfactory to the Secretary of the Treasury to
reimburse the said Public Building Administration for the costs and
expenses
incurred for such purposes, as determined by the Federal
Works
Administration
SEC. 203. Upon the completion of the project authorized in section 202 of this title, the Archivist shall accept for the Franklin D.
10

material acquired from the donor. The historical material acquired under
section shall be permanently housed in the Franklin D. Roosevelt
this Library: Provided, That the Archivist may temporarily remove any

of such material from the said Library when he deems it to be
necessary: And provided further, That the Archivist may dispose
of any duplicate printed material in the said Library by sale or exchange. and, with the approval of the National Archives Council,
dispose of by sale, exchange, or otherwise any material in the
may said Lil ary which appears to have no permanent value or historical
interest. The proceeds of any sale made under this section shall be
paid into the special account provided for in subsection (d) of sec-

tion 205 of this title, to be held, administered, and expended in

accordance with the provisions of that subsection.
SEC. 204. The faith of the United States is pledged that, upon the

construction of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library and the acquisi-

tion from the donor of the collection of historical material in

accordance with the terms of this title, the United States will provide such funds as may be necessary for the upkeep of the said
Library and the administrative expenses and costs of operation
thereof, including the preservation and care of historical material
acquired under this title, so that the said Library shall be at all

times properly maintained.

SEC. 205. (a) A Board to be known as the Trustees of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library is hereby established. The Archivist and
the Secretary of the Treasury shall be ex officio members, and the
Archivist shall be chairman of the Board. There shall also be five
members of the Board appointed by the President for life, but the
President may remove any such member for cause. Vacancies on

the Board shall be filled by the President. Membership on the

Board shall not be deemed to be an office within the meaning of the
Constitution and statutes of the United States.
(b) No compensation shall be paid to the members of the Board
for their services as such members, but they shall be allowed their
necessary expenses incurred in the discharge of their duties under

this title. The certificate of the chairman of the Board shall be
sufficient evidence that the expenses are properly allowable.

(c) The Board is hereby authorized to accept and receive gifts
and bequests of personal property and to hold and administer the
same as trust funds for the benefit of the Franklin D. Roosevelt
Library. The moneys or securities composing trust funds given or
bequeathed to the Board shall be receipted for by the Secretary of
the Treasury who shall invest, reinvest, and retain investments as the

Board may from time to time determine: Provided, however, That
the Board is not authorized to engage in any business nor to exercise

any voting privilege which may be incidental to securities in such
trust funds, nor shall the Secretary of the Treasury make any investments for the account of the Board which could not lawfully be
made by a trust company in the District of Columbia, except that

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he may make any investment directly authorized by the instrument
of gift any
under
which theaccepted
funds tobybethe
invested
retain
investments
Board. are derived, and may

(d) The income from any trust funds held by the Board, as and
when collected, shall be deposited with the Treasurer of the United
States who shall enter it in a special account to the credit of the
Franklin D. Roosevelt Library and subject to disbursement by the
Archivist, except where otherwise restricted by the instrument of

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The Archivist shall make to the Congress, at the beginSEC. 208. each regular session, a report for the preceding fiscal year

ning of Franklin D. Roosevelt Library. Such report shall include
as to the statement of all accessions, all dispositions of historical
material, detailed and all receipts and expenditures on account of the said

gift, in the purchase of equipment for the Franklin D. Roosevelt
Library; in the preparation and publication of guides, inventories,

Library. 209. The costs incurred by the Archivist in carrying out the
SEC. placed upon him by this title, including the expenses of the
duties of the Board and the costs of the Board's necessary clerical

calendars, and textual reproduction of material in the said Library:

members assistance, shall be paid out of the appropriations for The National

and in the purchase, under section 203 of this title, of historical
material for the said Library. The Archivist may make sales of any
publications authorized by this section at a price which will cover
their cost and 10 per centum added, and all moneys received from
such sales shall be paid into, administered, and expended as a part of
the special account herein provided for.

(e) Unless otherwise restricted by the instrument of gift, the
Board, by resolution duly adopted, may authorize the Archivist to
use the principal of any gift or bequest made to it for any of the

purposes mentioned in subsection (d) hereof.

(f) The Board shall have all the usual powers of a trustee in
respect to all funds administered by it, but the members of the Board
shall not be personally liable, except for misfeasance. In the administration of such trust funds the actions of the Board, including any
payments made or authorized to be made by it from such funds, shall
not be subject to review or attack except in an action brought in the
United States District Court for the District of Columbia, which is
hereby given jurisdiction of such suits, for the purpose of enforcing
the provision of any trust accepted by the Board.
SEC. 206. The Commissioner of Public Buildings shall be responsible for the care, maintenance, and protection of the buildings and
grounds of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library in the same manner
and to the same extent as he is responsible for the National Archives

Building in the District of Columbia. Except as provided in the
preceding sentence, the immediate custody and control of the Frank-

lin D. Roosevelt Library, and such other buildings, grounds, and
equipment as may from time to time become a part thereof, and their

contents shall be vested in the Archivist of the United States, and
he is authorized to appoint and prescribe the duties of such officers
and employees, including clerical assistance for the Board, as may
this
title.
be necessary
for the execution of the functions vested in him by
SEC. 207. The Archivist shall prescribe regulations governing the
arrangement, custody, protection, and use of the historical material
acquired under this title; and, subject to such regulations, such material shall be available to the public free of charge: Provided, That
the Archivist is authorized to charge and collect, under regulations
prescribed by him, a fee not in excess of 25 cents per person for the
privilege of visiting and viewing the exhibit rooms or museum portion
of the said Library: and any funds so derived shall be paid by the
Archivist into the special account provided for in subsection (d) of
section
205 ofofthis
to be held, administered, and expended under
the provisions
thattitle,
subsection.

Establishment as other costs and expenses of The National

Archives Archives Establishment are paid; and such sums as may be necessary

for such purposes are hereby authorized to be appropriated.
TITLE III-FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT RESIDENCE
SEC. 301. The head of any executive department, pursuant to agree-

ment between him and the donor, may accept for and in the name
of the United States from the donor, or from such person or persons
shall be empowered to act for the donor, title to any part or parts
of as the said Hyde Park estate of the donor and his family which shall
be donated to the United States for use in connection with any designated function of the Government administered in such department.
The title to any such property may be accepted under this section
notwithstanding that it may be subject to the life estate of the donor
or of any other person or persons now living: Provided, That during
the continuance of any life estate reserved therein no expense to the
United States in connection with the ordinary maintenance of the
property so acquired shall be incurred: Provided further, That the
acceptance hereunder by the United States of the title to property in
which any life estate is reserved shall not during the existence of such
life estate exempt the property, except to the extent provided in section

304 [303] of this title, from taxation by the town of Hyde Park,
Dutchess County, or the State of New York as other real property
in the said town, county, or State is taxed under the applicable laws
relating to taxation of real property.
SEC. 302. Upon the expiration of all life estates reserved in any
property acquired under this title for use in connection with a designated function of the Government, or, if no life estate is reserved,
immediately upon the acceptance of title thereto, the head of the
department administering the said function shall assume jurisdiction
and control over the property so acquired and administer it for the
purpose designated, subject to the applicable provisions of law.
SEC. 303. The right is reserved in the Congress to take such action
and to make such changes, modifications, alterations, and improvements in connection with and upon any property acquired under this
title, during or after the expiration of any life estate reserved therein,
as the Congress shall deem proper and necessary to protect and preserve the same: but neither the improvements so made nor any increase in the value of the property by reason thereof shall be subject
to taxation during the existence of any life estate reserved in the
property.
Approved, July 18, 1939.

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wondering where else in the world would a Chief Executive be
am truly cognizant of the need for close relationship between the
statesman so and the historian and make such generous disposition of
such priceless material.

APPENDIX II
CEREMONIES INCIDENT TO THE DEDICATION OF THE FRANKLIN
ROOSEVELT LIBRARY, JUNE 30, 1941
INVOCATION BY THE REVEREND
J. MEE,
RECTOR
REGINA PATRICK
COELI, HYDE
PARK,
N. Y.OF THE CHURCH OF

o Almighty and Eternal God, Father of Mercies, in whom

This, too, is an unusual occasion in another sense, because this
repository was conceived and came to pass by reason of the
D.

generosity grand of fine Americans, 28,000 in number, from every walk of
life, representing every State in the Union and the several possessions.
To you fine representative Americans who helped so nobly to make
this possible, I say we are sincerely thankful.
To you, Mr. President, may I say we are most grateful.
ADDRESS OF R D. W. CONNOR ARCHIVIST OF THE UNITED STATES

live, assembled. move, and have our being, graciously look down upon us here we

Enlighten
our minds
with
the His
lightconsolations,
of Thy holy spirit so that we
may
be truly wise
and ever
enjoy
to us that
peace
which can come into our minds only through
theGrant
fulfillment
of Thy
commandments.

Direct, we pray Thee, all our actions by Thy holy inspirations, and
further them by Thy continual assistance, so that every prayer and
work of ours
may begin
with Thee,
Thee be happily ended,
through
the merits
of Jesus
Christand
Ourby
Saviour.
Amen,

REMARKS OF THE HONORABLE FRANK c. WALKER, TREASURER OF THE FRANK.
OF
LIBRARY
LINTHE
D. ROOSEVELT
LIBRARY, INC., PRESIDING OFFICER AT THE DEDICATION

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen:
We are assembled here today to dedicate the Franklin D. Roosevelt

Library, not to any individual, not to any group, but rather we are
dedicating this splendid historic edifice to the American people.
Here, in the shadows of the birthplace and home of our President,
now stands, fully completed, a fine building of dignity and importance
that will serve as the storehouse for the records of a period that has

no parallel in the history of America and of the world. Within
these walls shall be found, in the days to come, a collection of rare
documents that will well and truly record much of our part in World

War I. Here will be found papers that will faithfully tell the intimate story of the ambitions and aspirations, the suffering and sorrows,

and the final triumph of the American people of the New Deal Era-

here, conceivably, may come a collection of documents that may provide more accurate source material delineating the world's greatest
catastrophe,
War II,inthan
be found in any one collection
papers ofofanWorld
individual
themay
world.

In normal times the average person thinks little and cares less about

the past; he is quite content to let the dead past bury its dead; for
him the living present is sufficient. But when times are out of joint,
when new ideologies appear to challenge traditional ideologies, every
champion of either the new or the old looks to the past for help, and
feels himself at liberty to use or abuse the helpless Muse of History

as suits his purpose.

We ourselves are living in such a time. Everywhere new and
strange isms are engaged in a life and death struggle with old and
familiar isms. In our own land, according to our American custom,
the struggle is being waged within the framework of constitutional
principles and practices. Other lands and other peoples have not
been so fortunate. From Europe, from Africa, from Asia, come
reverberations of war and revolution. But whether waged with ballots or with bullets, the conflicts everywhere, in one respect at least,
follow the same historic pattern. In the present as in the past, protagonists of the new and defenders of the old are busily thumbing the
pages of history in search of arguments to support their own particular brands of isms. No one who wades patiently through the "public
pulse" columns of our daily papers can fail to admire the zeal if not

the knowledge of these champions.
The interests which make such uses of history are as numerous and

varied as the interests of humanity itself. Ambition to live in history
has always been a powerful influence in the conduct of men. From
earliest times, conquerors and rulers have had the records of their
actions preserved, falsified, or destroyed, as the case might require,
in the hope that history might speak well of them: leaders of lost
causes have appealed for vindication from the verdict of their contemporaries to the verdict of history; and martyrs of every philosophy have found consolation in handing over their persecutors to
history's avenging pen. But respect for the judgments of history

This unusual occasion is made possible by the fine understanding
he and appreciation of our President, who did that which is unique when
a presented to the people of America his private records, which tell

acknowledged its power. The Exchange, the Church, the State, have
feared its condemnation and courted its praise.

appendix With the exception of the address by Dr. Connor, the material In this

In a national crisis, men instinctively seek to find in the spirit
of the past inspiration to strengthen the morale of the present. Not
long ago the President appealed to the American people for national

story of a most interesting and important era in world history. I
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is taken from a stenographic report of the ceremonies

is not confined to individuals: society itself, in every form, has

unity in the present crisis. Only through national unity, he told

us, "can we successfully defend our national heritage" and pass it

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on "not only intact, but stronger than ever, to all generations
come." But what is our "national heritage" if it is not our yet to
history? And how can we pass it on intact and stronger national
if we do not respect its truth and defend its integrity? The than ever
of false history is a spurious patriotism, and a spurious product

will be better documented than any earlier Presidential

Yours in history. Think, for instance, of the number of
administrations futile, misleading books about the great Abraham
unnecessary that we might have been spared, had his heirs brought to-

Lincoln such a collection of papers as this. But, Mr. President, if

is no more to be desired in a democracy than in an autocracy. patriotism

gether going to keep a Snug Harbor for all your collections and your

The raw materials of history are the records of past human
and only when such records have been preserved and made affairs,
to him can the historian truly reconstruct and interpret the available
It must have been some such thought that inspired the idea that past,
concrete expression in this library which we dedicate today. finds

you are from the White House, I shall have to warn you to give
papers of those "oddities" the "deep six" or they will overflow and
take some the space needed for documents I know you are the
Nation's up No. 1 collector, but collecting can be overdone, even by No. 1.

want to say to the President's neighbors from Dutchess County
here assembled, if you feel an impulse to give the President that old
hair trunk in the attic, or horse buggy, don't do it
Not that I am one of those who regard all historical material as be-

thoughtful person will seriously question the fact that the No

economic, and social development of both the domestic and political,
affairs of the United States during the past two decades marks foreign

period as a distinctive era in our national history nor can it this
doubted that this period will be the subject of intensive study be

ing on paper or in ink. Far from it. I should like to see. for in-

stance, in this Library and museum-well, a straw from that Literary
Diges Straw Vote. I should like to see some of those Blades of Grass
that didn't grow in the Streets of our Cities, I should like to see a
Plank out of that famous Walk that led out from the White House,
and has now happily come full circle, back again.
And when I go below here, Mr. President, down into the hold of
this building, I cannot help approving those ice-boats and carriages,
even if they do take up a lot of space. They are going to be very
interesting to historians in the future.
Mr. President, you and I went to sea first at about the same time,
and in the same waters, along the coast of the Bay of Fundy, where
there is an awful lot of fog, and I know that learning to sail through
the fog has been extremely useful to me, and I shouldn't wonder if it
hadn't been sometimes useful to you, Mr. President.
It was down in those regions a summer "yotter" asked a native
Jobsterman what the lighthouse at Tit Manan looked like. The lob-

future. the historians, political scientists, economists, and sociologists of the by

Franklin D. Roosevelt, the historian, was quite as well aware
this fact as was Franklin D. Roosevelt, the statesman. when, of
December 10, 1938, he announced to the country his plan for on
establishment of this library. After describing the rich and varied the
materials in his collections, he said: "It is my desire that they be kept
as
a whole
andinintact
their original
condition. available to scholars
of the
future
one in
definite
locality
It

is,

therefore,

thought
that funds
can be raised for the erection of a separate, mod. my
ern,
fireproof
building
so

designed

that

it

would

hold

all

my own collections and also such other source material relating of to
this period in our history as might be donated to the collection in
future by other members of the present Administration." Thus there

would be "set up for the first time in this country what might be
history." called a source material collection relating to a specific period in our

That plan has now been carried into effect. and we have met here
today to dedicate the building and its contents to the service of the

American people. We do this in confident expectation that for
generations to come, the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library will be the

Mecca for scholars and statesmen who would learn how in the midst
of a world conflict between autocracy and democracy a free people
institutions. their freedom and strengthened their democratic
preserved
REMARKS OF SAMUEL E MORISON, PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT HARVARD
UNIVERSITY

One of my favorite quotations to announce a historical address,
however short-especially when a poet is present-is from Don
Quixote. "It is one thing to write as a poet. another as an historian.
The poet is able to say or sing things. not as they were, but as they
ought to be, The historian has to write of them. not as they should
have
been.
but
were, without adding to them or subtracting
from the
truth
in as
anythey
way."
Now, Mr. President it will be possible to write the truth. the whole

historical truth. about your administrations on account of this
wonderful collection that you are bringing together in this building.

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(

sterman said, "Well, sir, I am afraid I don't know. I have been
living down here and lobstering for 50 years, but I ain't seen it yet."
Now, Mr. President, you know as well as I do that seamen don't like

sailing through fog, nor do historians. But owing to the wise and
generous provisions that have been made, there will be no historical
fog over the history of your administrations.
REMARKS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

Mr. Walker, Dr. Connor:
It seems to me that the dedication of a library is in itself an act of
faith. To bring together the records of the past and to house them in
buildings where they will be preserved for the use of men and women
in the future, a nation must believe in three things.
It must believe in the past.
It must believe in the future.
It must, above all, believe in the capacity of its own people so to
learnfuture,
from the past that they can gain in judgment in creating their
own
It has been among democracies, I think, through all the recorded

history of the world, that the building of permanent institutions

like libraries and museums for the use of all the people has flourished.

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And that is especially true in our own land, because We

people ought to work out for themselves, believe

the their best interest rather than to

course, rather than to accept such so-called another

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT LIBRARY

from New York; and Frank Walker, who in addition to
O'Connor old friend is also the man who carries your mail; and
being Morison, a very an old seafaring friend of mine. And now let us see,

kind determination be of handed out of to them by and through their information take that

who decide
what types
is best for
may
certain
ofthem.
self-constituted leaders as

Dr. else is there? Oh, I asked him but he couldn't get here today.

And so it is in keeping with the well-considered trend of
difficult days that we are distributing our own historical these

He was cooler than Hyde Park. Another old friend, whom you have

more widely than ever before throughout the length and collections

our land. From the point of view of their safety-the breadth of
safety of our records-it is, it seems to us in later times, physical
these records should not be too greatly concentrated. And wiser that

the point of view of accessibility of these records, greatly from
trated in any one place in the United States, modern concen.
which we have become accustomed, now make study and dissemination methods, to

of these records in many places possible for the modern historian.
This particular Library is but one of many new libraries. And
because it happens to be a national one, I as President have the so,
lege of accepting this newest house in which peoples' records priviof
history.
preserved-public
papers and collections that refer to our own period are

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who terribly sorry, but he said, quite frankly, that Long Island

seen was here many times with me-Harry Hopkins.

And so-and so I am asking the first Federal judge to be appointed
from Dutchess County for I don't know how many generations, our
old friend Eddie Conger of Poughkeepsie, to step forward when I give
out these-I won't call them diplomas, but they look like diplomasto these new trustees. I am going to ask Federal District Judge

Conger to administer the oath of office.
The oath of office was then administered to Basil O'Connor, Samuel
E. Morison, and Frank C. Walker.]
BENEDICTION BY THE REVEREND FRANK R. WILSON RECTOR, ST. JAMES
CHURCH, HYDE PARK, N. Y.

attacked
everywhere.
a moment
when government of the people by themselves is being at

May the blessing of God Almighty, the Father, the Son, and the
Holy Spirit, rest upon our people and upon all our work done in His
name. May He give us light to guide us, courage to support us, and
love to unite us, now and forevermore.

It is, therefore, proof-if any proof is needed-that our confidence
will
notfuture
diminish.
in the
of democracy has not diminished in this Nation and

o

And this latest addition to the archives of America is dedicated

As all of you know. into this Library there has gone, and will
tinue to go, the interest and loving care of a great many people. conMost of you who are here today are old friends and neighbors of
mine-friends and neighbors throughout the years. And so all of
you,
my the
friends
neighbors, are in a sense trustees of this Library
through
yearsand
to come.
We hope that millions of our citizens from every part of the land
will be glad that what we do today makes available to future Americans and the story of what we have lived, and what we are living today,

what we will continue to live during the rest of our lives,

And so I am grateful to all of you for all that you have done.
I think that the ceremonies are now over, except for one very important addition that relates to the future. Under an act of the Congress of the United States, there was appointed-authorized to be

appointed-a Board of Trustees, who will be responsible for this
Library I from midnight tonight, through the years to come.
am glad that you have come today, because, as I suggested at
to some of the trustees, this is the last chance you have to see lunch this
Library United free of charge. At midnight tonight the Government of the

Trustees States takes over, and it takes over through this Board of

of of which Dr. Connor, the Archivist-the National Archivist
the United States-is to be the Chairman, and on which will serve

Treasury ex officio our own neighbor from this county, the Secretary of the

And of the United States-Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

of incidentally, I have appointed a number of old friends
mine to serve as additional trustees: My old law very partner, Basil

Amen.

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FEB 1942

Dear Marriner:

I have your letter of January 28, 1942, enclosing a
memorandum which expresses the unanimous view of those

present at your meeting on Friday, January 23. on the
program of Treasury financing that might be followed
during the war period.

I appreciate your sending this to me. I have turned
it over to the various staff members for study and we will
probably want to discuss it with you at some later date.
Sincerely,

(signed)

Roard

Secretary of the Treasury

Honorable Marrinor S. Eccles,
Chairman,

Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System,
Washington, D. C.

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BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON

OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN

January 28, 1942

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
Dear Henry:

As you know, the members of the Board and of the
Federal Open Market Committee have been giving consideration

for a considerable period of time to a program of Treasury financing that might be followed during the war period. From
time to time we have had informal meetings in Washington the

last of which was held on Friday, January 23. At that meeting,

in addition to members of the Board, there were present Messrs.
Sproul, Leach, and Williams, Presidents of the Federal Reserve
Banks of New York, Richmond, and Philadelphia, respectively,
Messrs. Goldenweiser and Piser of the Board of Governors, and
Messrs. Williams and Rouse of the New York Federal Reserve

Bank. As the result of discussions at that meeting, there was
prepared the attached memorandum which expresses the unanimous

view of those present, and it was understood that I would transmit the statement to you for such consideration as you may wish

to give to it. If you or the members of your staff wish to dis-

cuss the various aspects of the program, we shall be glad to go
to the Treasury for that purpose at a time that is convenient
to you.

During the meeting on Friday Mr. Williams of Philadelphia presented a memorandum relating to the subject of business funds for noninflationary war financing and it was agreed
that a copy of this memorandum would be sent to you as a supplement to that part of the general memorandum dealing with an

issue designed to attract temporarily idle business funds.
Sincerely,

M. S. Eccles,
Chairman.
Enclosure.

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177

The President in his Budget Message submitted to the Congress on
January 7 net the following statement concerning "Borrowing and the Menacc
of Inflation":
"Last year, defense expenditures so stimulated private

capital outlays that intensified use of private funds and
private credit added to the influtionary pressure created

by public spending.

"Under a full war program, however, most of the in-

crosse in expendituros will replace private capital outlays rather than add to them. Allocations and priorities,

necessitated by shortages of material, are now in operation;
they curtail private outlays for consumers' durable Foods,
private and public construction, expansion and even rcplacements in nondefense plant and equipment. These
drastic curtailments of nondefense expendituros add, there-

forc, to the private funds available for noninflationary
financing of the Government deficit.

"This factor will contribute substantially to financing

the tremondous war effort without disruptive price rises
and without nccessitating a departure from our low-interestrate policy."

This statement will only be borne out by the event if, in fact,
private funds diverted from their normal uses are lent to the Government
during the war period. It emphasizes the necessity of taking further steps

to obtain the maximum amount of borrowed funds from lenders other than
commoncial banks.

Obtaining Borrowed Funds from Lenders
Other than Commercial Banks

(1) The President's Budget Message indicated that expenditures
of the Federal Government during the fiscal year 1942-191.3 (beginning July 1,
1942 would be approximately 060 billions.
(2) On the basis of the estimates given in the Budget Message,
including the revenue from proposed now taxes, the Federal dobt will increase
from $70.6 billion on June 30, 1942, to 3110.4 billion on June 30, 1943, an
incrusso of 339.8 billion.

(3) Th not public borrowing contemplated in the fiscal your

19.2-1943 totals 033.6 billion.

(4) Making allowance for possible sales of Defense Savings Bonds
under the present selling program and a not increase over the fiscal year
in the amount of tax anticipation notes and depositary bonds outstanding, sale it

appears likely that $20 to 25 billions will have to be obtained by the
of Government securities to banks and to other lenders and investors.

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(5) The grave necessity of the Treasury's taking further steps

to obtain the maximum amount of these borrowed funds from lenders and investors other than commercial banks is apparent, if fiscal and monetary

policy is to contribute its share to the anti-inflation program. It will
require more than additional pressure for the sale of the present series

of Defense Savings Bonds, important as that is.

(6) The principal sources of funds, other than the banking

system and the small income purchasers of the present series of Defense
Savings Bonds, are:

(a) Insurance companies, other institutional investors
of various kinds, public bodies, wealthy individuals,
trustees, etc.
(b) Corporations and other business concerns which, in

the aggregate, may now have or may accumulate large
idle balances.

These two sources of funds must be tapped by the Government, and
preferably should be tapped with obligations which have a special appeal for
the holders of such funds but which cannot get into the commercial banking
system.

(7) It is suggested that an attompt should be made to reach those

funds with two issues, extending the present sories of Defense Savings Bonds,
one of longer term for insurance companies and similar long-torm investors,
and one of shorter term for business concerns (and public bodies) with
temporarily idle funds.

The general features of such offerings might be as stated below.
(The exact rates and maturitios of those issues are, of course, subject to
review. We are in agreement that the terms of those offerings should not be
inconsistent with existing open-markot rates and maturities having in mind
suggested restrictions upon negotiability and other differences.):
(a) Long-torm issue:

Interest rate: 2 1/2%,

Maturity: 15 years or thoreabouts,
Redemption: At cost value with interest adjustment
(as in the case of Series E, F, and G Savings Bonds)
on six months' notice after bond has been held
for one year,

Negotiability: Not negotiable in consideration
of redemption feature,

Callable: Not callable prior to maturity,
Salos Restriction: For the present, limited sale

to any one purchaser in any one year, upper limit
to be not less than $1,000,000.

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-- 3 -(b) Short-term issue:
Interest rate:
Rate of interest
6 months
1 year

1 1/2 years
2

2 1/2
3

3 1/2
4

4 1/2

payments
3/8
5/8
7/8

Yield

1 1/8

1 3/8
1 1/2
1 5/8
1 3/4
1 7/8
2

5

0.38
0.50
0.62
0.75
0.87
0.98
1.07
1.15
1.23

1.30

Maturity: 4 or 5 years, preferably 4 years,

Redemption: Redeemable -- after held six months,
on 60 days' notice at any time,

Negotiability: Not negotiable,
Callable: Not callable,
Sales Restriction: Available in unlimited amounts.

(8) It is also suggested that there be an immediate increase in
the supply of Treasury bills to at least $2.6 billion (not including tax
period bills), which would contribute not only to the fluidity of the money

markot but would also provide an alternative medium for the temporary
investment of idlo public and business balances. With $2.6 billion of Treasury
bills outstanding, there would still bc an adequate margin of reserve buying
power in this market to take care of emergency or temporary financing which
it might be desirable or necessary to accomplish with additional offerings
of bills.

It is also important that consideration regularly be given to
issuing additional blocks of Treasury bills to mature in the three or four

days following the quarterly tax payment dates.

(9) In so far as it is nocessary to use bank credit in financing

the Treasury's needs, money should be sought from banks with short-term

open markut issues, that is, with notes and bonds with maturities not 0Xcooding ten years. It may be truc that the breadth of the open market will
be somowhat reduced by the sale of the restricted issues suggested above.

It is more cortainly true that to the extent such sales are successful in

obtaining for Government uso funds which otherwise would have lain idle,
the amount of the issues which it will be nocessary to place in the open
market will be reduced. On balance, and over a period, it would soom most

likely that the successful sale of these restricted issues would be a
factor of strength, not of workness, in the open markot.

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180

Pattern of Rates

(1) Our experience in the last war, the experience of other
countries in this war, and our present capacity for the management of the
monetary and credit resources of the country, all indicate that this program
should not be cast in the old pattern of rising rates of interest as the

war progresses. Price control is required in the field of credit, just as

in other fields, when the Government is the principal borrower in the market
and the cause of its borrowing is the defense of our national existence.

(2) It is, therefore, desirable, and the existing situation in
the money market and the Government security market makes it practicable,
to determine and establish a pattern of rates for United States Government

securities which will fix, for the present, the general terms of Treasury
financing.

(3) It is suggested that the rango of rates established by such
a pattorn should be, for the present, from 1/4-1/2 to 2 1/2 per cent, for

obligations other than Series E Defense Savings Bonds. The lower limit of
the range and the short-torm ratus in general could have somo flexibility
without disturbing the maximum or long-term rate. The 2 1/2 per cont longterm rate approximates closely enough the general pattern of rates which
has already been established, and stoers a middle course between the danger

of a substantial declino in the prices of outstanding securities on the

one hand, and the dangor of an unattractive program which will not draw
the maximum funds from investors and investing institutions on the other.

(4) Within the terms of the general financing program we
suggest, the ostablishment and maintenance of such a pattern of rates does
not require the excessive volume of excess reserves which has characterized
recont years. It does contemplate that should excess reserves shrink to a
point which endangers maintenance of the pattern the Reserve System will
provide a sufficient volumo of reserves to enable banks to assist the
Treasury's financing to whatever extent is necessary.

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Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDU M A
Proposed Plan for Utilizing Idle Business Funds by the Treasury
The war program now calls for expenditures at the rate of $50-60,000,000,000

a year. In physical terms this means (1) that about one-half of our industrial

plant will be engaged directly on the production and transportation of war materials,
and (2) that about one-half of our human resources will be engaged either in the

used forces or in the production and transportation of supplies for the armed forces.
in financial terms it means that the Treasury will have to acquire $50-60,000,000,000

of purchasing power. If inflation is to be minimized, these funds must be obtained

with as little resort to bank credit as possible.
How much can be raised through taxes and borrowed savings? Even if the tax
revenue is doubled and borrowed savings exceed one billion dollars a month, there

would still be an inflationary gap to bridge. Based upon current estimates of expenditures and reasonable possibilities of expanding real income, it would appear

that the Treasury may have to resort to bank credit to a considerable extent, as is
indicated in the following examples.
POSSIBLE METHOD OF MEETING TREASURY REQUIREMENTS - IN BILLIONS
1941-1942

1942-1943

$12

$24

Estimated amount procurable from:
Taxes

Government trust funds
Defense Savings Securities

1942-1943

(extreme)
$26
6

5

2

8

Total available
Total need of the Treasury (war and ordinary)

$22

Resort to bank credit, if not available from other sources.

$11

33

12

14

$41

$46

62

$21

62

$16

the assumptions as to the amount that can be secured from taxes and borrowed savings

are probably over-optimistic, but they suggest the urgency for exploring all possible
sources of funds if inflation is to be curbed.
Operations have already been undertaken by the Treasury to raise a large

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portion of the required funds through taxation and through the sale of Defense Bonds

to individuals. There exists, however, within business enterprise itself, a large
volume of potentially inflationary funds, particularly if used for nondefense purposes. Specifically, the funds consist of business balances available after taxation
accruals have been set aside and business operating requirements have been met. No
adequate provision has yet been made to use this money in the war effort.

Special attention must be given to this potential market for Treasury fisancing because (1) the amounts involved may become huge as the year progresses, (2)

these funds in large part are not properly subject to taxation, and (3) Treasury ob-

ligations now available for the investment of these funds are not particularly suitable to the needs of the situation. What is required, obviously, is a special consideration of the kinds of Federal securities best adapted to meet the needs of business concerns for the investment of idle business funds and a special organization to
promote the sale of these securities to business enterprises.

Large business balances will arise during 1942 out of (a) surplus earnings
not needed for immediate expansion, (b) liquidation of current assets (accounts re-

ceivable and inventories). and (c) depreciation accruals. In view of prospective
shortages of materials, it is probable that enterprises not engaged directly on war
production will not be in a position to replace current inventories during the coming

-

year or to replace capital equipment for which depreciation is taken. It is impossible to estimate closely the funds that may become available from these two sources

but their total may well aggregate as much as $10,000,000,000 Part of the funds so
released will be used to repay indebtedness. The remainder of the funds should be

invested in Treasury obligations. Such investment will make them available to finance

the war effort without inflationary effects and will leave business enterprise in a
strong financial position to re-acquire materials and re-equip plant when the emergency is over. The amounts 80 invested should be as large as possible, because, to

minimize inflation, it is essential to postpone as long as possible all deferable
business expenditures.
January 16, 1942.

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Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia,
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NOVINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM B
What is the Amount of Business Funds
Available for War Financing?

The minimum amount of business funds in the United States available for investment in Government securities might be placed at $7 billion. Of this total probably over $750 million might be procured in the Third Federal Reserve District.
Conservative estimates made informally by the National Bureau of Economic
Research at the request of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia indicate the following volume of business funds that are now available or will become available during 1942.

Sources of funds

(Dollar figures in billions)
1. Cash balances

2. Inventory
3. Undistributed earnings
4. Depreciation accruals

Total

Available
for investment

in 1942

in Government

$10.0
26.6

$1.4

2.6

1.1

4.3

1.9

securities
2.7

$7.1

TOTAL

$4.6

Large concerns (assets over $1 million),
Small concerns (assets under $1 million)

2.5

These estimates do not include cash that may be derived from collection of
receivables, giving an additional sum of $500 million.
The break-down by grand totals and by groups shows the following:
Con-

Manu-

Public

Services

Trade

struction

1. Existing cash balances

$5,876

$1,990

$420

Available - purchase U.S. sec
2. Existing inventories
Liquidation in 1942
Available - purchase U.S. sec.

1,370

50

14,413
1,325

10,450
2,130

1,040

1,608

1,615

300

93

750

205

50

180

110

400

1,985

450
285

45

40

300

955

(000,000's omitted in figures)

(Net of retiremt. of notes pay.)

3. Undistributed earnings

Available - purchase U.S. sec
4. Depreciation accruals

Available - purchase U.S. sec

January 16, 1942.

facturing

Mining
$133

$450

80

300

util.

Total

$1,170

$10,039

1,420

--580

26,618

795

3,455

0
0

0
0

0
0

2,648

0

0

60

25
0

40

505

2,598

50

1,095

1,200

4,325

300

1,925

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Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM C
What Type of Treasury Security Would be Most
Suitable for Sale to Business Concerns?

Informal contact with the Presidents and Treasurers of business concerns in

Philadelphia indicates:

1. Appreciation of the public need of pressing the sale of Treasury securities to business concerns in order to siphon off cash balances now available or to become available in 1942 through inventory liquidation, collection of receivables, accumulated depreciation accruals, etc.
2. Willingness to participate in a program such as has been suggested by
the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.

3. The importance of bringing out a new type of Treasury security tailormade to fit the problem of business concerns.

This memorandum is specifically directed toward the last problem - the need
for a special type of security for this purpose. There is general agreement that
Treasury securities now available are not particularly suited to the investment of
idle cash balances of corporations. There is also general agreement that the issuance of a suitable security would make directly available to the Treasury large
amounts of cash that at present are left on deposit and are made available only
through recourse to the banks.

It is suggested that a special issue of Treasury notes similar to that pro-

posed last year by Chairman Eccles would meet the needs outlined. Such notes would
be marketed in the manner outlined in Memorandum D. They would have the following

characteristics.

1. Maturity - 3 years. or 5 years.
2. The notes could be issued on a basis that each coupon
would be for a definite amount rising from say a 1/2 per cent

rate for the first coupon to a 1 per cent rate for three-year
naturity and 1-1/2 per cent rate for five-year maturity for
the final coupon.

3. Registered.

4. Non-negotiable, but elegible as collateral at the Reserve Bank.
5. Redeemable by the Treasury on three months' notice after six months from

purchase. Interest for the portion of the period during which securities
are redeemed to be paid at coupon rate for the full period.

January 16, 1942.

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Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDU M D
How to Sell Treasury Securities to Business Concerns
PROPOSED VOLUNTARY ORGANIZATION TO PROMOTE THE SALE
OF TREASURY SECURITIES TO BUSINESS CONCERNS

IN THE THIRD FEDERAL RESERVE DISTRICT

UNITED STATES TREASURY
FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

THIRD FEDERAL RESERVE DISTRICT

BUSINESS VICTORY FUND COMMITTEE
Bankers
Business men

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

INDUSTRIAL AREA COMMITTEES
T

Altoona Allentown, Etc.

Wilkes- Wilmington
Barre

Members of regional committees should represent such

industries as manufacturing, trade, construction, min-

ing, public utilities, and services, as local conditions warrant.

1. The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia is to set up a well-integrated working
organization for the Third Federal Reserve District. It should have an appropriate title, as explanatory and suggestive as possible. For example, it may be
designated as -

BUSINESS VICTORY FUND COMMITTEE

2. This organization is to be established by industrial areas, or combination of
such areas, having due regard to industrial structure of each area.
(a) Business Victory Fund Committee is to be represented by one business
man and one banker from each area, and by the Federal Reserve Bank.

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(Memorandum D, Cont.)

The primary purpose of this Committee is to provide organizational material
and
to cover all parts of the District and all
leading
industries
therein.
(b) This Committee is to appoint an Executive Committee consisting of three
business
men,
three bankers and the President of the Federal Reserve
Bank
or his
alternate.

The function of the Executive Committee is to develop the
program and to direct the campaign among business concerns.

The Reserve Bank is to provide the needed facilities for
this purpose.

3. Regional Committees. Under the direction of the Executive Committee, representatives on the Business Victory Fund Committee are to organize appropriate local
committees within their respective areas.
(a) The size of such committees should be large enough, but not too large,
to enable its members to canvass industrial establishments within the
areas.

(b) Committee members should be responsible business executives, as they

are to be the effective salesmen of Treasury securities designed for
the purpose.

(c) The chairmen of such local committees should be members of the general
committee and should be responsible to the Executive Committee.

4. The supply of Treasury securities is to be handled by the Reserve Bank, as
Fiscal Agent -

(a) The Reserve Bank is to issue the security directly upon receipt of
applications and payments, or

(b) The Reserve Bank may issue the security in due course through the banks
authorized for this purpose.

5. The Federal Reserve Bank, as Fiscal Agent, is to be directly responsible for the
proper functioning of the organization, assisting the Treasury in every way to
assure the success of the campaign.

(a) The Treasury is to define general policy and to provide suitable security for sale.
(b) The Bank is to advance the necessary expenses, such expenses to be reimbursed by the Treasury in the usual manner.

January 16, 1942

Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. 187
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM E
Would the Proposal to Sell Special Securities

To Business Concerns be Acceptable to Banks?

1.

Withdrawals of deposits by business concerns for purchase of Government securities would not result in hardship to banks.
(a) As the Treasury spends borrowed funds, banks receive new deposits
immediately.

(b) Large banks in New York City would probably be the heaviest losers
of business deposits but they, too, would soon regain the funds
through Treasury operations.
Deposit withdrawls may lessen the burden on the capital structure of many banks.

(a) While this effect may be temporary, it will indicate the fluidity of
funds and tend to lessen the pressure for higher capital ratios.
(b) This would be desirable because (1) at present it would be difficult
to raise capital locally and (2) it might lessen the concern of supervisory authorities in this respect.
3. As an integral part of the program to curb inflation, the proposed plan would be
in the interest of sound banking and credit.

(a) Inflation and deflation are injurious to banking: they disrupt values
and expose assets to undue risk.

(b) A spiral and tailspin of prices impoverish the people, destroy savings,
increase cost to the Government and the taxpayer, and undermine the

capital and credit structures.

(c) The plan provides for noninflationary borrowing as against inflationary
borrowing from commercial banks.

4. Active support of the proposed plan by the bankers will aid in war financing,
help in curbing inflation, and assist in safeguarding the credit structure
against current and prospective dislocations.
(a) Wisdom and self-interest require cooperation, as the war must be won

regardless of financial difficulties.

(b) Cooperation in the use of funds may forestall the need for further

over-all and selective credit controls, including adjustment in required reserves.

(c) The effect of the proposal will be to minimize a post-war slump.
(d) The support of the plan would result in good public relationship.
January 16, 1942.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON

OFFICE OF THE CHAIRMAN

January 28, 1944

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
Dear Henry:

As you know, the members of the Board and of the
Federal Open Market Committee have been giving consideration

for a considerable period of time to a program of Treasury financing that might be followed during the war period. From

time to time we have had informal meetings in Washington the

last of which was held on Friday, January 23. At that meeting,
in addition to members of the Board, there were present Messrs.
Sproul, Leach, and Williams, Presidents of the Federal Reserve

Banks of New York, Richmond, and Philadelphia, respectively,
Messrs. Goldenweiser and Piser of the Board of Governors, and
Messrs. Williams and Rouse of the New York Federal Reserve

Bank. As the result of discussions at that meeting, there was
prepared the attached memorandum which expresses the unanimous

view of those present, and it was understood that I would transmit the statement to you for such consideration as you may wish

to give to it. If you or the members of your staff wish to dis-

cuss the various aspects of the program, we shall be glad to go

to the Treasury for that purpose at a time that is convenient

to you.

During the meeting on Friday Mr. Williams of Philadelphia presented a memorandumrelating to the subject of business funds for noninflationary war financing and it was agreed

that a copy of this memorandum would be sent to you as a supplement to that part of the general memorandum dealing with an

issue designed to attract temporarily idle business funds.
Sincerely,

M. S. Eccles,
Chairman.
Enclosure.

TREASURY FINANCING

The President in his Budget Message submitted to the Congress on
January 7 made the following statement concerning "Borrowing and the Menace
of Inflation":

"Last year, defense expendituros so stimulated private

capital outlays that intensified uso of private funds and
private credit added to the influtionary pressure created

by public sponding.

"Undor a full war program, however, most of the increase in expenditures will replace private capital outlays rather than add to them. Allocations and priorities,
necessitated by shortages of material, are now in operation;
they curtail private outlays for consumers' durable goods,
privato and public construction, expansion and oven replacements in nondofen plant and equipment. These
drastic curtailments of nondefense expendituror add, there-

fore, to the private funds available for noninflationary

financing of the Government deficit.

"This factor will contribute substantially to financing

tho tremondous war effort without disruptivo price rises
and without nccessitating a departure from our low-interestrate policy."

This statement will only be borne out by the event if, in fact,

private funds divorted from their normal uses are lent to the Government
during the war period. It emphasizes the necessity of taking further steps

to obtain the maximum amount of borrowed funds from lenders other than
commercial banks.

Obtaining Borrowod Funds from Lenders
Other than Commercial Banks

(1) The President's Budget Message indicated that expenditures
of the Federal Government during the fiscal year 1942-1943 (beginning July 1,
1942) would be approximatoly $60 billions.

(2) On the basis of the cstimates given in the Budget Mossage,
including the revenue from proposed now taxes, the Foderal dobt will increase
from $70.6 billion on Juno 30, 1942, to $110.4 billion on Junc 30, 1943, an
increasa of $39.8 billion.

(3) The not public borrowing contemplated in the fiscal your

1942-1943 totals 033.6 billion.

(4) Making allowance for possible sales of Defense Savings Bonds
under the present selling program und a not incroase over the fiscal year
in the amount of tax anticipation notus and depositary bonds outstanding, it

appoars likoly that $20 to 325 billions will have to be obtained by the sale

of Government sccurities to banks and to other londors and investors.

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(5) The grave necessity of the Treasury's taking further steps
other than commercial banks is apparent, if fiscal and

10
to
anti-inflation
It
more than pressure the sale of the series

to obtain the maximum amount of these borrowed funds from lenders and inrequire policy vestors contribute additional its share to the for program, present monetary will

of Defense Savings Bonds, important as that is.

(6) The principal sources of funds, other than the banking
system and the small income purchasers of the present series of Defense

Savings Bonds, are:

(a) Insurance companies, other institutional investors
of various kinds, public bodies, wealthy individuals,
trustees, etc.
(b) Corporations and other business concerns which, in
the aggregate, may now have or may accumulate large

idle balances.

These two sources of funds must be tapped by the Government, and
preferably should be tapped with obligations which have G. special appeal for
the holders of such funds but which cannot get into the commercial banking
system.

(7) It is sugrested that an attempt should be made to reach those

funds with two issues, extending the present sorius of Defense Savings Bonds,
one of longer term for insurance companies and similar long-torm investors,
and one of shorter term for business concerns (and public bodies) with
temporarily idle funds.

Tho general features of such offerings might be as statod bolow.
(The oxact rates and maturitios of those issues arc, of course, subject to
review. We are in agreemont that the terms of those offerings should not be
inconsistent with existing open-market rates and maturities having in mind
suggested restrictions upon negotiability and other differencos.):

(a) Long-torm issue:

Interest rate: 2 1/2%

Maturity: 15 years or thoreabouts,
Redemption: At cost valuo with interest adjustment
(as in the caso of Sories E, F, and G Savings Bonds)
on six months' notice after bond has been hold
for one year,
Negotiability: Not nogotiable in consideration
of redemption feature,

Callable: Not callable prior to maturity,
Sales Restriction: For the present, limited sale

to any one purchasor in any one ycar, upper limit
to be not loss than $1,000,000.

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(b) Short-term issue:
Interest rate:
Rate of interest
payments

6 months

1 year

1 1/2 years
2

2 1/2
3

3 1/2
4

4 1/2

Yield

3/8
5/8
7/8

1 1/8

3/8

1 1/2
1 5/8
1 3/4
1 7/8
2

5

0.38
0.50
0.62
0.75
0.87
0.98
1.07
1.15
1.23
1.30

Maturity: 4 or 5 years, preferably 4 years,

Redemption: Redeomable -- after held six months,
on 60 days' notice at any time,

Negotiability: Not negotiable,
Callable: Not callable,
Sales Restriction: Available in unlimited amounts.

(8) It is also suggested that there be an immediate increase in
the supply of Treasury bills to at least $2.6 billion (not including tax
period bills), whi ch would contribute not only to the fluidity of the money

markot but would also provide an alternative medium for the temporary
investment of idlo public and business balances. With $2.6 billion of Treasury
bills outstanding, there would still bc an adequate margin of reserve buying
power in this market to take care of emorgency or temporary financing which
it might be dosirable or nccessary to accomplish with additional offerings
of bills.

It is also important that consideration regularly be given to
issuing additional blocks of Treasury bills to mature in the three or four

days following the quarterly tax payment dates.

(9) In so far C.S it is nocessary to use bank credit in financing

the Treasury's needs, money should be sought from banks with short-term

open markot issues, that is, with notes and bonds with maturities not 6Xcoodi ng ten years. It may be truc that the breadth of the open markot will
be somowhat reduced by the sale of the restricted issues suggosted above. in

It is more certainly true that to the extent such sales are successful

obtaining for Government uso funds which otherwise would have lain idlc,
the amount of the issues which it will be nocessary to place in the open
market-will be roduccd. On balance, and over a period, it would soom most
likely that the successful sale of these restricted issues would be 6
factor of strength, not of workness, in the open market.

4

Pattern

countri
monetary
should
war
in
and

Our experience in the last war, the experience of other
this war, and our present capacity for the management of the
credit resources of the country, all indicate that this program

cast in the old pattern of rising rates of interest as the
Price control is required in the field of credit, just as
progresses.

other olds, when the Government is the principal borrower in the market

the of its borrowing is the defense of our national existence.

(2) It is, therefore, desirable, and the existing situation in
the money market and the Government security market makes it practicable,

to determine and establish a pattern of rates for United States Government

securities which will fix, for the present, the general terms of Treasury
financing.

(3) It is suggested that the rango of ratos established by such
a pattorn should bo, for the present, from 1/4-1/2 to 2 1/2 por cent, for

obligations other than Scrios E Defenso Savings Bonds. The lower limit of
the range and the short-torm rates in general could have somo flexibility
without disturbing the maximum or long-term rato. The 2 1/2 per cont longterm rate approximates closoly enough the general pattern of rates which
has alroady been established, and stoors a niddlo course between the danger
of a substantial dcolino in the prices of outstanding securities on the
one hand, and the danger of an unattractivo program which will not draw
the
alximum funds from investors and investing institutions on the other.

(4) Within the terms of the general financing program we
suggesty the establishment and maintenance of such a pattern of ratos doos
not require the excessive volume of excess reserves which has characterized
Fooort years, It does contemplate that should excess reserves shrink to a
point which endangers maintenance of the pattern the Reserve System will

provide a sufficient volume of reserves to enable banks to assist the
Treasury!a financing to whatever extent is necessary.

Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
CONFIDENTIAL

BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM A
Proposed Plan for Utilizing Idle Business Funds by the Treasury
The var program now calls for expenditures at the rate of $50-60,000,000.-

000 & year. In physical terms this means (1) that about one-half of our industrial
plant will be engaged directly on the production and transportation of var materials,
and (2) that about one-half of our human resources will be engaged either in the
rmed forces or in the production and transportation of supplies for the armed forces,
In financial terms it means that the Treasury will have to acquire $50-60,000,000,000
of purchasing power. If inflation is to be minimized, these funds must be obtained

with as little resort to bank credit as possible.
How much can be raised through taxes and borrowed savings? Even if the tax
prevenue is doubled and borrowed savings exceed one billion dollars a month, there

would still be an inflationary gap to bridge. Based upon current estimates of expenditures and reasonable possibilities of expanding real income, it would appear

that the Treasury may have to resort to bank credit to a considerable extent, as is
indicated in the following examples.
POSSIBLE METHOD OF MEETING TREASURY REQUIREMENTS - IN BILLIONS
1941-1942

Estimated amount procurable from:
Taxes.

812

1942-1943

1942-1943

(extreme)
$26

$24

6

5

Total available
Total need of the Treasury (war and ordinary)
Resort to bank predit, if not available from other sources.

2

12

14

841

$46

8

Government trust funds
Defense Savings Securities

$22
33

$11

62

62

$21

$16

The assumptions as to the amount that can be secured from taxes and borrowed savings

are probably ver-optimistic, but they suggest the urgency for exploring all possible
sources of funds if inflation is to be curbed.
orations have already been undertaken by the Treasury to raise a large

it.)

portion
to

without

poses.

uired funds through taxation and through the sale of Defense Bonds

of

individ

-2-

There exists, however, within business enterprise itself, a large

of policitally inflationary funds, particularly if used for nondefense purSpecific illythe funds consist of business balances available after taxation

accruals have been set aside and business operating requirements have been met. No
adequate provision has yet been made to use this money in the var effort.

Special attention must be given to this potential market for Treasury fipancing because (1) the amounts involved may become huge as the year progresses, (2)

these funds in large part are not properly subject to taxation, and (3) Treasury obligations now available for the investment of these funds are not particularly suit-

able to the needs of the situation. What is required, obviously, is a special consideration of the kinds of Federal securities best adapted to meet the needs of business concerns for the investment of idle business funds and a special organisation to
promote the sale of these securities to business enterprises.

Large business balances will arise during 1942 out of (a) surplus earnings
not needed for immediate expansion, (b) liquidation of current assets (accounts re-

ceivable and inventories), and (c) depreciation accruals. In view of prospective
shortages of materials, it is probable that enterprises not engaged directly on war
production will not be in a position to replace current inventories during the coming

year or to replace capital equipment for which depreciation is taken. It is impossible to estimate closely the funds that may become available from these two sources
but their total may well aggregate as much as $10,000,000,000 Part of the funds so
released will be used to repay indebtedness. The remainder of the funds should be

invested 6 Treasury obligations. Such investment will make them available to finance

the VIN Hort without inflationary effects and will leave business enterprise in a
strong

Social position to re-acquire materials and re-equip plant when the emera The amounts 80 invested should be as large as possible, because, to

minim

lation, it is essential to postpene as long as possible all deferable
aditures.
992

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Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia,
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINVLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM B
What is the Amount of Business Funds
Available for War Financing?

The minimum amount of business funds in the United States available for investment in Government securities might be placed at $7 billion. Of this total probably over $750 million might be procured in the Third Federal Reserve District.
Conservative estimates made informally by the National Bureau of Economic
Research at the request of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia indicate the following volume of business funds that are now available or will become available during 1942.

Available
for investment

Total
in 1942

Sources of funds

(Dollar figures in billions)
1. Cash balances

2. Inventory
3. Undistributed earnings
4. Depreciation accruals

in Government

securities

$10.0
26.6

$1.4
2.7

2.6

1.1

4.3

1.9
$7.1

TOTAL

$4.6
2.5

Large concerns (assets over 31 million).
Small concerns (assets under 31 million)

These estimates do not include cash that may be derived from collection of
receivables, giving an additional sum of $500 million.
The break-down by grand totals and by groups shows the following:
struction

Mining

Services

Public

Trade

util.

Total

$5,876

$1,990

3420

8133

$450

$1,170

$10,039

1,370

50

14,413

10,450

80

300

1,325

2,130

1,040

1,608

1,615

300

750

205

50

1,985

450

180
45

Con-

Manu-

(000,000's omitted in figures)
1. Edisting cash balances
2g

Available - purchase U.S. sec
Existing inventories
ion in 1942
Available - purchase U.S. sec.

retirent. of notes pay.)

3.

offectitubeted earnings

- purchase U.S. sec
4.

Departmention accruals

o - purchase U.S. sec

January 1942.

facturing

955

285

--

---

--580

1,420
795

26,618
3,455

0
0
O
O

0
O

0

93

0

2,648

60

505

2,598

40

50

1,095

110

400

1,200

4,325

40

300

300

1,925

25
0

Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM C
What Type of Treasury Security Would be Most
Suitable for Sale to Business Concerns?

Informal contact with the Presidents and Treasurers of business concerns in
Philadelphia indicates:

1. Appreciation of the public need of pressing the sale of Treasury securities to business concerns in order to siphon off cash balances now avail~
able or to become available in 1 942 through inventory liquidation, collection of receivables, accumulated depreciation accruals, etc.
2. Willingness to participate in a program such as has been suggested by
the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.

3. The importance of bringing out a new type of Treasury security tailormade to fit the problem of business concerns.
This memorandum is specifically directed toward the last problem - the need
for a special type of security for this purpose. There is general agreement that
Treasury securities now available are not particularly suited to the investment of
idle cash balances of corporations. There is also general agreement that the issusace of a suitable security would make directly available to the Treasury large
amounts of cash that at present are left on deposit and are made available only
through recourse to the banks.

It is suggested that a special issue of Treasury notes similar to that proposed last year by Chairman Eccles would meet the needs outlined. Such notes would
be marketed in the manner outlined in Memorandum D. They would have the following
characteristics.

1. Naturity - 3 years. or 5 years.
could be issued on a basis that each coupon

2g

be for a definite amount rising from say a 1/2 per cent
the first coupon to a 1 per cent rate for throo-year
and 1-1/2 per cent rate for five-year maturity for
coupon.

Estered.

agotiable, but elegible as collateral at the Reserve Bank.
ble by the Treasury on three months' notice after six months from

se. Interest for the portion of the period during which securities
leemed to be paid at coupon rate for the full period.
942.

Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM D
How to Sell Treasury Securities to Business Concerns
PROPOSED VOLUNTARY ORGANIZATION TO PROMOTE THE SALE
OF TREASURY SECURITIES TO BUSINESS CONCERNS
IN THE THIRD FEDERAL RESERVE DISTRICT

UNITED STATES TREASURY
FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

THIRD FEDERAL RESERVE DISTRICT

BUSINESS VICTORY FUND COMMITTED
Bankers

Business men

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

INDUSTRIAL AREA COMMITTEES

Wilkes- Wilmington

Altoona Allentown, Etc.

Barre

Members of regional committees should represent such
industries as manufacturing, trade, construction, min-

ing, public utilities, and services, as local conditions warrant.

1. The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia is to set up a well-integrated working
organization for the Third Federal Reserve District. It should have an appropriate title, as explanatory and suggestive as possible. For example, it may be
designated as -

BUSINESS VICTORY FUND COMMITTEE

2. This organization is to be established by industrial areas, or combination of
such Azeas, having due regard to industrial structure of each area.
(a)

iness Victory Fund Committee is to be represented by one business
in and one banker from each area, and by the Federal Reserve Bank.

it.)

-2-

(Memorandu

primary purpose of this Committee is to provide organisa-

onal material and to cover all parts of the District and all
ling industries therein.
(b)
or

ittee is to appoint an Executive Committee consisting of three
men, three bankers and the President of the Federal Reserve
his alternate.

The function of the Executive Committee is to develop the
program and to direct the campaign among business concerns.
The Reserve Bank is to provide the needed facilities for
this purpose.

3.

Com ittees. Under the direction of the Executive Committee, representatives on the Business Victory Fund Committee are to organize appropriate local
committees within their respective areas.

Regional

(a) The size of such committees should be large enough, but not too large,
to enable its members to canvass industrial establishments within the
areas,

(8) Committee members should be responsible business executives, as they

are to be the effective salesmen of Treasury securities designed for
the purpose.

(c) The chairmen of such local committees should be members of the general
committee and should be responsible to the Executive Committee.

4. The supply of Treasury securities is to be handled by the Reserve Bank, as
Fiscal Agent -

(a) the Reserve Bank is to issue the security directly upon receipt of
applications and payments, or
(b)

the Reserve Bank may issue the security in due course through the banks

orised for this purpose.

Reserve Bank, as Fiscal Agent, is to be directly responsible for the
tioning of the organization, assisting the Treasury in every way to
success of the campaign.

treasury is to define general policy and to provide suitable se-

By for sale.

ank is to advance the necessary expenses, such expenses to be resed by the Treasury in the usual manner.

Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
BUSINESS FUNDS FOR NONINFLATIONARY WAR FINANCING

MEMORANDUM E
Would the Proposal to Sell Special Securities
To Business Concerns be Acceptable to Banks

1.

Withdravals of deposits by business concerns for purchase of Government securities would not result in hardship to banks.
(a) As the Treasury spends borrowed funds, banks receive new deposits
immediately.

(b) Large banks in New York City would probably be the heaviest losers
of business deposits but they, too, would soon regain the funds
through Treasury operations.
2. Deposit withdrawls may lessen the burden on the capital structure of many banks.

(a) While this effect may be temporary, it will indicate the fluidity of
funds and tend to lessen the pressure for higher capital ratios.
(b) This would be desirable because (1) at present it would be difficult
to raise capital locally and (2) it might lessen the concern of supervisory authorities in this respect.
3. As an integral part of the program to curb inflation, the proposed plan would be
in the interest of sound banking and credit.

(a) Inflation and deflation are injurious to banking: they disrupt values
and expose assets to undue risk.

(b) A spiral and tailspin of prices impoverish the people, destroy savings,
increase cost to the Government and the taxpayer, and undermine the

capital and credit structures.

(c) The plan provides for noninflationary borrowing as against inflationary
borrowing from commercial banks.

4. Active support of the proposed plan by the bankers will aid in war financing
help in curbing inflation, and assist in safeguarding the credit structure
against current and prospective dislocations.

(a) Wisdom and self-interest require cooperation, as the war must be won

regardless of financial difficulties.

(b) Cooperation in the use of funds may forestall the need for further

over-all and selective credit controls, including adjustment in required reserves.

(c) The effect of the proposal will be to minimize a post-war slump.
(1) The support of the plan would result in good public relationship.
January 16, 1942.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

200

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE February 2, 1942
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
George Buffington

You may be interested in the attached one sheet

poster being sent to exhibitors by the National Screen

Service Corporation. I am also attaching a photostatic
copy of the publicity which appeared in the Motion Picture
Herald on January 31.

QB.

201

January 94

MOTION PICTURE HERALD

Donald Duck Shows the Nation How

isney Cartoon
istributed Free

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

January 28, 1942

Treasury

To the Neving Picture Exhibitor Addressed

exhibi-

Dear Sir:
inform

the

Very soon you will be offered a new Donald
Duck picture 10 technicolor entitled 'The New Spirit*
which 10 very entertaining. It was made especially
for the United States Treasury by Walt Disney as

which they
chronically
replacent Don

contribution to the nation's war effort. It carries

a patriotic message to every American, showing through
the medium of Donald Duck how each citizen can do his
or her bit by paying his income tax promptly.

price

lateed time of

li-tening and
him that
in

lits

be callier

the radio
aided by

a

the also come
implicities of
chedule de

Intendent and

This picture will have widespread publicity,
and I believe your patrone will be looking for it
eagerly. It will be offered to you free and I hope
that you will elect to show it.
Since its greatest effectiveness will be
between now and March 16, I further hope that you will
ahow it as soon as you can get it. and then send it
along without delay so that the next exhibitor say
show it promptly.

list of company

I shall appreciate very much your coopera.

due They

text-box on the

tion.

this con

Sincerely yours,

conti-

right

radio voice

Henry Mongenthan

sequence

of planes
of

the

destruction

Special permission has been granted by the Secretary of the Treasury to exhibitor

allowing them to reproduce this letter. with signature. in any promotion or advertise
ments in connection with defense bond driver or other patriotic endrators

Taxes to
the

educate the new millions of income tax-

field It is in
20 second

and

sponsoring

telephoned per
on December

hort-which would

payers was in order

for the purpose It supplied the fir-t con
pletes color print next morning Four davi
later. the total order of 1,000 print- had
been delivered by Technicolor to National
Screen Service for routing to thratte

On December 17th producer Disney and

two of his writer were closeted with Sec
retary Morgenthau in Washington and Disnev was roughing out his script

The Disney plant dispatched the footage
to the Technicolor plant on Sunday January 18th The plant delivered an inspection

All parties to the enterprise functioned on
a

ruential too
distributed for

on the 21-t with approval of 3 Treas
ury Department official flown to Hollywood

non-profit basis

202
MOTION PICTURE DAILY

January 29, 1942

Asks Exhibitors' Aid
On Disney Tax Short
Secretary of the Treasury

Henry Morgenthau has ad-

dressed a letter to all exhibitors urging them to show the
Disney Donald Duck cartoon

"The New Spirit," made for

the Treasury Department and

stressing the importance of
early income tax payments.
The subject is being distributed through the War Activities Committee - Motion Pie-

ture Industry by National
Screen service.

A reproduction of the letter

and a review of the subject
are on Page 1.

Uncle Sam Needs Your Help
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

January 28, 1942

To the Neving Picture Exhibitor Addressed
Dear Bir:

Very BOOD you will be offered a new Donald

Duck picture is technicolor entitled "The New Spirit'
which 14 very entertaining. It was made especially
for the United States Treasury by Walt Dieney ...

contribution to the nation's var effort. It carries
. patriotic a to every American, showing through
the medium of Donald Duck how each citizen can do his

or her bit by paying his income tax promptly.

This picture will have widespread publicity
and I believe your patrone will be looking for 11

eagerly. It will be offered to you free and I hope
that you will sleet to show it.
Since its greatest effectiveness will be

between now and March 16. I further hope that you will
show 11 as soon as you CAD get it, and then send 11

along without delay . that the next exhibitor say
show 11 promptly.

I shall appreciate very such your coopers.
tion.

Sincerely yours,

BUY

Above is a facsimile of a letter addressed by Secretary of the Treasury
Morgenthau to exhibitors, urging them to show the Disney income tax
subject, "The New Spirit." Special permission has been granted by
Morgenthau for reproduction of the letter, with signature, by found exhibitors in the

for advertising purposes. A review of the subject will be
adjoining column at the right.

OFFICE OF

WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST

203

WYNTOON

McCLOUD. CALIFORNIA

February 2, 1942.

Hon. Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY,

Washing O n, D. C.
My dear Mr. Secretary :

I appreciate very highly your

kind letter of January 30.
Every American desires to be of some service

in the present situation, and it is a great gratification to know that you feel that our newspapers are
making a real contribution.
We will continue to do our utmost, stimulated
by your generous encouragement, for which we all thank
you most sincerely.

Very faithfully yours,

COPY

204
January 30, 1942

Dear Mr. Hearst:
The "Buy a Bomber" campaign now being

conducted by your newspapers parallels the plan
whereby the people of certain cities have provided
funds for military equipment by the purchase of
Defense Bonds and Stamps.

The regular purchase of Defense Bonds and
Stamps by every American is a program which gives

each of us continual opportunities to strike added
blows for freedom.

Your newspapers are making a real contribu-

tion to this program.

Sincerely,
(Signed) Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Mr. William Randolph Hearst
Wyntoon

McCloud, California

(mr. Duffur has file)

Ferdinand Kuhn, Jr., Ext. 332
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

STANDARD FORM NO. 14 A

WASHINGTON

APPROVED ST THE PRESIDENT

205

MARCH 10. 1926

TELEGRAM

CHARGE TREASURY DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION FOR

Official

OFFICIAL BUSINESS-GOVERNMENT RATES

(The appropriation from which payable must be stated on above line)
1-14112

William Randolph Hearst

January 9, 1942

San Simeon California

- to Every little

Delighted to hear that your newspapers are urging their

readers to buy bombers with Defense Savings Stamps stop

purchase
willwill
help
if it isa repeated
every payday stop Every stamp
you
can sell
strike
blow for freedom
Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

se.

I

from 463

206
FEB 2 1942

My dear Mr. Postmaster General:
Thank you very much for your good letter

of January 24. I am deeply grateful for the
superb cooperation which you personally and
also your associates are giving us in the
Defense Savings Program.

Our people tell me that they have met
several times in the last few days with

Mr. Helmer and Mr. Hargrove of your Department.
I understand that these men have been designated

to carry on the work so ably carried on by
Mr. Imus during the past year.
You may be sure that every assistance will
be given in the preparation of the Postal
Bulletin which you suggest. We know you will

feel free to call upon us at any time that you
believe we can help.

Sincerely,
(Signed) E. Morgenthese Jr.

The Honorable,
The Postmaster General,
Washington, D. C.

EWS:MTR

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Office of the Bashmaster General

STORES

Washington, D. C.

January 24, 1942.

UNITED

STATES

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D.C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I have received with your letter of January 7, a copy

of your letter of December 29 to the heads of bureaus and
divisions of your Department with respect to the purchase of
defense savings bonds and stamps by employees of the
Department, urging that where possible employees make larger
per capita purchases.

I have arranged for meetings with postmasters, and thus
far have met with postmasters in Boston, New York and "ashington,
and contemplate several other meetings in the course of the next
three weeks. At these conferences, among other things, I have
been encouraging the postmasters to devote special emphasis to
the participation by employees in the defense bond and stamp
program.

I have in mind that sometime after this series of confer-

ences it might be helpful, at least to the postal service, if I

issued a postal bulletin explaining not only the necessity for
participation because of the needs of the government, but also

calling attention to the fact that the withdrawal of past
savings is not as important as the use of current income. In
that connection, I would appreciate having some member of your

Defense Savings Staff collaborate with Mr. Arthur C. Helmer, of
this Department, in the preparation of such a bulletin.

I feel confident that as a result of these conferences
and such a bulletin, the amount of bonds and stamps purchased

regularly by employees of the postal service would be materially
increased.
ENS

FCW IC

Sincerely yours,

From awaker
Postmaster General.

208

February 2, 1942
Dear Lew:

I am very sorry to have to accept your
resignation as Chairman of the Defense Savings
Committee for Greater New York.
You have been of immense help to us in
establishing our New York organization, and

I should like you to know how much all of us

at the Treasury appreciate what you have done.

I am sure that with the foundation that has
now been laid, we can expect fine results.

Your new work in England will enable you

to give still greater service on one of the
front lines of the war effort, and I wish you
every success in the important work which you
are about to undertake.
Sincerely,
(Signed) Henry

Hon. Lewis W. Douglas,
Co-Chairman, New York State
Defense Savings Committee,
1270 Sixth Avenue,
New York, N. Y.

HNG/mff
FK/hkb

2/2/42

file to Thompson

Photo file to nmc

Summer am by monday
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
DEFENSE SAVINGS STAFF
NEW YORK

HEADQUARTERS 1270 SIXTH AVENUE, NEW YORK. N. Y .CIRCLE 6-3100

ALBANY

ROCHESTER

BUFFALO
MARINE TRUST BUILDING

LINCOLN ALLIANCE BUILDING

STATE BANK BULDING

-

January 28, 1942

NEW YORK STATE COMMITTEE

GN HERBERT LEHMAN
HUNDHARY CHAIRMAN

HOURD PATTERSON, JR.
STATE CHAMMAN

LYTLE HULL

NEVIL FORD

STATE ADMINISTRATOR

MUCK SMITH
ASSOCIATE STATE ADMINISTRATOR

LOVE DOUGLAS
CHAIRMAN GREATER New YORK

- COUNTLANDT D BARNES
VICE-CHAIRMAN

-

OH LETCHWORTH
URMAN UPSTATE NEW YORK
OSCAR SOLBERT
VICE-OWAMAN

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
GUY EMERSON
CHAIRMAN

MYARD POPE
VICE CHAIRMAN

Dear Mr. Secretary:

I suppose it isn't necessary - perhaps

it isn't even proper - for me to submit in

writing my resignation as Chairman of the Defense
Savings Staff for the lower New York area, but
at any rate I want you to know in black and
white how grateful I am to you for having let

me help a little in the establishment of the
organization. I want you to know, too. that
I am not without regret in resigning as
Chairman for this area.

DAY BRUERE

FRANK COLUMBUS
OGENE DONOVAN

I hope to see you next week.

x ARTHUR GETMAN
BALTER GIFFORD

DRY HEIMANN
NETURE KUDNER

Ever faithfully yours,

THOMAS LYONS

WILLIAM MYERS

month

SAMUEL W REYBURN
ROUSE

ROSE SCHNEDERMAN
STRONG

The Honorable Henry S. Morgenthau,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.

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