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Book 449

October 8 and 9, 1941

- ABook Page

Austria
See War Conditions

-BBaruch, Bernard
See Revenue Revision

-cChina

See War Conditions
Coast Guard

Explosive or inflammable material, etc.: Anchorage
and movement of vessels, etc. - amendment to

rules and regulations - 10/9/41

449

224,234

Coudenhove-Kalergi, Count R. N. (President, Pan-Europa
Union)
See War Conditions: Austria

-DDefense Savings Bonds
See Financing, Government

- EEconomic Defense Board
See War Conditions

-FFinancing, Government

Sproul and Rouse discuss rates with HMJr on the
2-3/8% and the 2% - 10/8/41
Conference; present: HMJr, Eccles, Draper, Piser,
McKee, Goldenweiser, Jones, Murphy, Morris,
and Hadley - 10/8/41
a) Federal Reserve and financial community
close together in advice

b) '67--'72: 2% is decision HMJr tells Eccles.
Jones
c) '67--'72: 2% .
d) Haas suggestions on financing
e) Discount Corporation, Devine, etc.,
suggestions

f) Morris, Murphy, etc., suggestions

13,33

20

39

41

42,43
44-47
48-52

- F - (Continued)
Book

Page

449

179

Financing, Government (Continued)

Announcement of $1,200,000,000, or thereabouts, of
2% Treasury bonds of 1967-72 - 10/9/41

a) Establishing line of credit, purchase of

bonds which are held only three or four
days, discussed by Graham, First National

Bank of Baltimore
b) Reaction discussed by Eccles, Rouse, and
Sproul - 10/9/41

195

251,256,315

c) Allotment basis announced - 12% - 10/15/41:
See Book 451, page 3

1) Discussion by HMJr, Kilby, Bell,
Morris, Stewart, and Sproul:
Book 451, page 4

d) Allotment figures - 10/22/41: Book 453,
page 193

Defense Savings Bonds:

Comparative statement of sales for first six

business days, August, September, October 10/8/41

101

Conference of staff with HMJr - 10/9/41
a) Status of state organizations

b) Treasury paper showing Minute Man samples of

c) "Virginia banks go over top"

d) Picture of HMJr addressing Teamsters'
Union, Detroit

-HHouston, David
See Revenue Revision

-IInflation

See War Conditions: Price Control

-JJapan

See War Conditions

-MMcAdoo, William Gibbs
See Revenue Revision

259
308

309,310
311
314

NBook

Page

Neutrality Act
See War Conditions

-P- Price Control
See War Conditions

-RRevenue Revision

Excess Profits Tax: Baruch-McAdoo-Houston

statements on "taking the profit out of war" 10/8/41

449

76

Manufacturers' Excise Taxes: Henderson asks

that cost to consumer be not increased by
more than amount of tax - 10/9/41

221

-TTaxation
See Revenue Revision
Treasury Department

See War Conditions: Economic Defense Board
-W-

War Conditions

Austria:
Government in exile to be discussed by
Count R. N. Coudenhove-Kalergi and HMJr

at request of HMSr - 10/8/41

147

a) Donovan asked by HMJr to see
Coudenhove-Kalergi - 10/13/41:
See Book 450, page 195
China:

"British-American economic mission headed by
Sir Otto Niemeyer and Merle Cochran" announcement worries Currie - 10/8/41

Stabilization Board unfavorable reaction to
Treasury's plan reported by Fox - 10/8/41
Stabilization Board reports on applications
which have been approved, rejected, etc. 10/9/41

153
155

345,346

Economic Defense Board:

Functions administered by Treasury - White
memorandum - 10/8/41

Exchange market resume' - 10/8-9/41

88

151,343

-NBook Page

Neutrality Act
See War Conditions

-PPrice Control
See War Conditions

-RRevenue Revision

Excess Profits Tax: Baruch-McAdoo-Houston

statements on "taking the profit out of war" 449

10/8/41

76

Manufacturers' Excise Taxes: Henderson asks

that cost to consumer be not increased by
more than amount of tax - 10/9/41

221

-TTaxation
See Revenue Revision
Treasury Department

See War Conditions: Economic Defense Board
-W-

War Conditions

Austria:
Government in exile to be discussed by
Count R. N. Coudenhove-Kalergi and HMJr
at request of HMSr - 10/8/41
a) Donovan asked by HMJr to see
Coudenhove-Kalergi - 10/13/41:

147

See Book 450, page 195
China:

"British-American economic mission headed by
Sir Otto Niemeyer and Merle Cochran" announcement worries Currie - 10/8/41

Stabilization Board unfavorable reaction to
Treasury's plan reported by Fox - 10/8/41
Stabilization Board reports on applications
which have been approved, rejected, etc. 10/9/41
Economic Defense Board:

153
155

345,346

Functions administered by Treasury - White
memorandum - 10/8/41

Exchange market resume' - 10/8-9/41

88

151,343

- W - (Continued)
War Conditions (Continued)
Foreign Funds Control:
Educating banks discussed at 9:30 meeting 10/9/41

Book

Page

449

188

(See also Book 450, page 22 - 10/10/41)

Inflation:

Price Control Committee: Minutes of meeting
held October 2 - 10/8/41
a) Discussion of

104

1) Zinc situation

104

2) Waste paper

108

3) Anthracite coal price schedule
revoked

4) Raw cane sugars - supplementary
price schedules
5) Iron and steel scrap - amendments
to bring parity among consumers.

6) Douglas fir "peeler" logs, etc.price schedule amendment

112
113

115,133
116

7) Raw silk and silk waste extension of price schedule
8) Paperboard - new price schedule
9) Brass mill scrap - changes in
price schedule
10) Rayon grey goods - amendment to
price schedule

11) "Spot" raw cotton - price
schedule.

12) Wood alcohol - uniform price
ceiling.
13) Cotton grey goods - amendment to
price schedule.

125
128

133
135
138

143
146

Japan:

Exchange of citizens discussed at 9:30 meeting 10/9/41

Military Planning:
Reports from London transmitted by Halifax 10/8/41, 10/9/41
War Department bulletin:
German assault artillery and 75-mm. tank
weapon - 10/8/41

Neutrality Act:

Revision: FDR's message toCongress-10/9/41 Purchasing Mission:
Federal Reserve Bank of New York statement
showing dollar disbursements, week ending
October 1, 1941

186

154,353

169
339

335

1

October 8, 1941
8:25 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Harry
Hopkins:

Hello.

HMJr:

Good morning, Harry.

H:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Have you had your breakfast?

H:

No, sir.

HMJr:
H:

Well, I knew you were an early riser.
I got up - woke up about six o'clock and
went back to sleep.

HMJr:

Did they wake you just now?

H:

Oh, no. I've been awake.

HMJr:

I told them not to call you.

H:

Oh, no. My God, I'm awake.

HMJr:

Harry, I spoke to the President last night
and told him most of what I'm going to tell
you, because I'm kind of excited.
I had the Russians at the house last night

a quarter past nine.
H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And I talked to this Charge like a Dutch uncle.

H:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

And I told him about the English and all that.
And I said, "Now, let's put that to one side.
And I said, "Now Mr. Hopkins tells me that he's

got fifty million dollars worth of good,

2

-2up-to-the-minute stuff for you."
H:

HMJr:

H:

HMJr:

Oh.

I said, "I haven't seen it, I don't know;

but his word's good with me. #
Uh huh.

And I said, "Never in the history of Russia
for the next ten years, will fifty million
dollars do you as much good as it will in the
next three weeks."

H:

HMJr:

Yeah.

Now I said, "If you'll simply tell me,
'Mr. Morgenthau, some time during the next
six months we'll deliver fifty million dollars
worth of gold here, I I'll give you a check
in five minutes."

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

See?

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And I just pounded it into him.

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

And he kept saying, "Well," he said, "General
Spaulding has only told us about eleven
million dollars worth of goods, and we don't
know anything about the fifty.
il

H:

Uh huh.

HMJr:

So I said, "Well, Mr. Hopkins says there's

fifty and if he says there's fifty, that's

good enough for me." Hello.
H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

So what I was thinking was this; evidently,

3

-3they may be holding back, thinking they're

going to get it for nothing, not knowing that

there is fifty million dollars worth of stuff
there.

H:

HMJr:

H:

Oh, I don't think that's true.
Well, do you think that they know that there's
fifty million dollars?
Well, I think they know that there's much
more than that in this short time. I've tried
to - how could he possibly say that. We've

made a commitment to give him a hundred planes,

and he said, "times a hundred and twenty

thousand dollars apiece. That's twelve million
right there.

HMJr:

Uh huh.

H:

And something over a hundred odd tanks at

about thirty thousand apiece. That's just
tanks and planes.

HMJr:

He mentioned tanks and planes coming up to

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

But I think

H:

HMJr:

eleven million dollars worth. I wasn't going
to argue because I didn't know anything about
it.

I don't think he's going to give you the

money. Did he say he'd sent the cable?
He said he sent the cable ten days ago and
he said he would send another urgent one

H:

last night.
He hasn't followed it up, huh?

HMJr:

No.

H:

Yeah. Well - listen, we'll get the stuff if
he'll get the money.

3

3-

they may be holding back, thinking they're

going to get it for nothing, not knowing that

there is fifty million dollars worth of stuff
there.

H:

HMJr:

H:

Oh, I don't think that's true.
Well, do you think that they know that there's
fifty million dollars?
Well, I think they know that there's much
more than that in this short time. I've tried
to - how could he possibly say that. We've

made a commitment to give him a hundred planes,

and he said, "times a hundred and twenty

thousand dollars apiece." That's twelve million
right there.

HMJr:

Uh huh.

H:

And something over a hundred odd tanks at

about thirty thousand apiece. That's just
tanks and planes.

HMJr:

He mentioned tanks and planes coming up to

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

But I think

H:

I don't think he's going to give you the

HMJr:

eleven million dollars worth. I wasn't going
to argue because I didn't know anything about
it.

money. Did he say he'd sent the cable?
He said he sent the cable ten days ago and
he said he would send another urgent one

last night.

H:

He hasn't followed it up, huh?

HMJr:

No.

H:

Yeah. Well - listen, we'll get the stuff if
he'll get the money.

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-HMJr:

You mean you'11 make good on your end if he

H:

Oh, yes.

HMJr:

What?

H:

Yes.

HMJr:

You can?

H:

Why certainly.

HMJr:

Good.

H:

HMJr:

produces the dollars.

We're in a terrible fix here, Henry.
Well, I think that there's a good chance
they'11 come through with the fifty.

H:

You do?

HMJr:

Yeah.

H:

Grand.

HMJr:

Yeah. Well, the six months thing seemed to

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

hit them right.

After all, what the hell? If they do or don't.
if they're still going six months I'11 get it

HMJr:

and if they're not
That's right.
I'd kiss that and a lot more goodbye.

H:

Yeah.

H:

HMJr:
H:

Isn't that right?
Absolutely. Absolutely. So this whole thing

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-5-

is really - if we could - if what we could
do - and especially, it isn't only what we
can get over there, it's the conviction that
Stalin gets that we mean business on the long
pull, too.
HMJr:

Yeah.

H:

That's another thing, that we really are going

HMJr:

H:

HMJr:

H:

HMJr:

to town and really going to help them.

Yeah. Well, Harry, I talked to that fellow
last night like a Dutch uncle.
Uh huh.

And I had him with the perspiration breaking
out all over him.

Uh huh. I'll bet you did.
And - 80 I think in a day or two he'll be
letting us know. Then the rest will be up
to you.

H:

That's right.

HMJr:

Okay?

H:

I'll go after it. Fine, Henry. I'm pleased
the way this thing has gotten along.

HMJr:
H:

What?

I'm pleased. I think we'll get something out
of this. Old Jess didn't say anything yesterday, but we might nick him for a little more
some way some how.

HMJr:

You might.

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Well, I don't know how he arrives at the fifty
million; but if I said he could do fifty, why
can't he do a hundred?

-6H:

Yeah, that's right.

HMJr:

What?

H:

HMJr:
H:

That's right.
And - well, let's keep in touch.

All right, Henry, old boy. I thought that
was a very useful conference. I think if it

did nothing it would get Hull acquainted with
all
the detail of it

HMJr:

Yes.

H:

day.

which I'm sure he absorbed there yester-

HMJr:

The President seemed quite happy about it.

H:

I know it.

HMJr:

You see, I was all pepped up and I wanted
to

H:

He's depressed about a number of things.

HMJr:

Is he?

H:

Yeah. A lot of things have gone wrong in the
last day or two.

HMJr:

Well, I'm sorry.

H:

Gone to hell.

HMJr:

The Neutrality thing?

H:

Oh, yes. The Senate is wishy-washy and seem

to lack all understanding of what the hell is
going on in the world.

HMJr:

Uh huh.

H:

And one or two other things have gone bad.

HMJr:

Well, when I talked to him last night

6

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-7H:

HMJr:

He '8 feeling better now.

it was a little after ten, he was

H:

feeling very cheerful.
I left him about nine.

HMJr:

Yeah.

H:

Yeah. Well, that's fine, Henry.

HMJr:

But, you keep pushing.

H:

All right, old boy.

HMJr:

Take care of yourself.

H:

I will, Henry. Good-bye.

HMJr:

Good-bye.

8
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington

FOR RELEASE, MORNING NEWSPAPERS,

Wednesday, October 8, 1941.

The Secretary of the Treasury, by this public notice,
invites tenders for $100,000,000, or thereabouts, of 91-day
Treasury bills, to be issued on a discount basis under

competitive bidding. The bills of this series will be dated
October 15, 1941, and will mature January 14, 1942, when the

face amount will be payable without interest. They will be
issued in bearer form only, and in denominations of $1,000,
$5,000, $10,000, $100,000, $500,000, and $1,000,000 (maturity
value).

Tenders will be received at Federal Reserve Banks

and Branches up to the closing hour, two o'clock p.m., Eastern

Standard time, Friday, October 10, 1941. Tenders will not be
received at the Treasury Department, Washington. Each tender

must be for an even multiple of $1,000, and the price offered
must be expressed on the basis of 100, with not more than three

decimals, e. g., 99.925. Fractions may not be used. It is
urged that tenders be made on the printed forms and forwarded

in the special envelopes which will be supplied by Federal
Reserve Banks or Branches on application therefor.

27-90

9

-2Tenders will be received without deposit from
incorporated banks and trust companies and from responsible

and recognized dealers in investment securities. Tenders from
others must be accompanied by payment of 10 percent of the

face amount of Treasury bills applied for, unless the tenders
are accompanied by an express guaranty of payment by an in-

corporated bank or trust company.

Immediately after the closing hour, tenders will be
opened at the Federal Reserve Banks and Branches, following

which public announcement will be made by the Secretary of the

Treasury of the amount and price range of accepted bids.
Those submitting tenders will be advised of the acceptance or

rejection thereof. The Secretary of the Treasury expressly

reserves the right to accept or reject any or all tenders, in
whole or in part, and his action in any such respect shall be
final. Payment of accepted tenders at the prices offered
must be made or completed at the Federal Reserve Bank in cash

or other immediately available funds on October 15, 1941.
The income derived from Treasury bills, whether

interest or gain from the sale or other disposition of the
bills, shall not have any exemption, as such, and loss from

10

-3the sale or other disposition of Treasury bills shall not have
any special treatment, as such, under Federal tax Acts now or

hereafter enacted. The bills shall be subject to estate,
inheritance, gift, or other excise taxes, whether Federal or
State, but shall be exempt from all taxation now or hereafter
imposed on the principal or interest thereof by any State, or
any of the possessions of the United States, or by any local

taxing authority. For purposes of taxation the amount of discount at which Treasury bills are originally sold by the United
States shall be considered to be interest. Under Sections 42
and 117 (a) (1) of the Internal Revenue Code, as amended by
Section 115 of the Revenue Act of 1941, the amount of discount

at which bills issued hereunder are sold shall not be considered

to accrue until such bills shall be sold, redeemed or otherwise disposed of, and such bills are excluded from consideration

as capital assets. Accordingly, the owner of Treasury bills
(other then life insurance companies) issued hereunder need

include in his income tax return only the difference between

the price paid for such bills, whether on original issue or
on subsequent purchase, and the amount actually received either

upon sale or redemption at maturity during the taxable year

for which the return is made, as ordinary gain or loss.

11

-4Treasury Department Circular No. 418, as amended,

and this notice, prescribe the terms of the Treasury bills

and govern the conditions of their issue. Copies of the circular may be obtained from any Federal Reserve Bank or
Branch.

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October 8, 1941
9:50 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Allan
Sproul:

Good morning, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

Good morning. Allan, would be ready in a

little while to tell me - oh, in about a
half an hour I'll call you back

S:

Yeah.

HMJr:

if we do two and three eighths, where
would you put it; and if we do two and a
half, where would you put it.

S:

HMJr:

Yes, I will be.
Will you - I'll be calling you back in about
a half an hour.

S:

All right, we'll be ready for you.

HMJr:

Will you do that?

S:

Right.

HMJr:

Thank you.

S:

All right.

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October 8, 1941
10:30 a.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Sproul and Rouse.

Allan
Sproul:

Hello.

HMJr:

Hello.

Robert
Rouse:

Hello.

HMJr:

Have you got me a couple of rates?

S:

Yes. Mr. Rouse has developed a couple of

rates on the two and three eighths. We figure

HMJr:

S:

HMJr:
S:

it as a '61-'63.
Just a moment, I'm writing it down. Just a
minute. Sixty - what did you say?
Sixty-one - sixty-three.
Sixty-one - sixty-three. Yeah.

And we figure that would probably sell on a from a two-thirty to a two twenty-five basis.

HMJr:

Which points as what - a hundred and one?

S:

And that the premium would probably range from
one and seven thirty-seconds- to two points.

HMJr:

Wait a minute. Would do from what? A hundred

and one?
S:

From a hundred and one seven to a hundred and
two.

HMJr:

I see.

S:

The price.

HMJr:

I see. Now, on the two and a half?

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S:

On the two and a half we would put it sixty-six
seventy-one.

HMJr:

Sixty-six. Sixty-six..

S:

Seventy-one.

HMJr:

Yeah. And

S:

We figure that would sell somewhere between a

two-forty and a two thirty-five basis, and the

price would range on our estimate from a hundred
and one twenty-eight to a hundred and two and

twenty-six thirty-seconds.

HMJr:

A hundred and two what?

S:

A hundred and two and twenty-six thirty-seconds.

HMJr:

I see. Well, I asked Piser what

S:

Beginning with those two, Mr. Secretary.

HMJr:

What's that?

S:

You take in the first case, the two and three
eighths might start out closer to the two and
a quarter basis - around a hundred and one and
a half or a hundred and one and five-eighths;

whereas the two and a half might start out a

little lower, on the lower range in price; that
is, nearer the two forty basis than the two
forty-five - the two thirty-five.
HMJr:

Well

S:

In other words, the two and a half should sell

a little higher in price but not a great deal.
HMJr:

Well, let me ask you this - so much for the

S:

Yes.

HMJr:

Give me the market gossip now.

S:

The market gossip?

pricing. Hello.

-3HMJr:
S:

15

Yeah.

Well, in general, it is that they don't want
it two and three eighths. They would like it
two and a half. Mr. Rouse can give it to you
in more detail than that.

HMJr:
R:

All right, let's have it.
Well, that's just the substance of it. It's

reported to me that large investors are rather
vehement about it. They dislike the two and
three eighths very much.

HMJr:

They do?

R:

And

HMJr:

What do you call - identify large investors.

R:

Well, the insurance companies, the large banks

that buy them - like the issue got from Mr.

Knight, which was a large bank who could buy

anything, and he definitely didn't like the
two and three eighths.

HMJr:
R:

Yeah.

And we went to the station together last night
after we left your office, and he seemed to

feel fairly strongly about it. We get the
same thing from the dealers here. They - all
the reports - that list that we gave you yester-

day afternoon indicated - were strongly opposed
to two and three eighths coupon - thought it
was shaving a rate and chiseling and it wouldn't
make a good start; and the thing to do was to
give the market really what it wanted.
HMJr:

Anybody want the two and three eighths?

R:

Haven't found anyone yet except yourself.

HMJr:

I'm lonesome, huh?

R:

(Laughs) Yeah.

4HMJr:

R:

All alone. Well, let me put it to you - 80

much for you fellows and the rest down there.
Supposing I decided I wanted to do it two and
three eighths. Would it go?

Yes, I think it would go; but it would go
reluctantly. It wouldn't go with any punch
and I think you ought to have punch in this
issue.

HMJr:

Which issue do you people think would stand
up the best under adversity?

R:

Under what?

HMJr:

Under a bad time.

R:

I think the two and a half would stand up best
under bad times. It would appeal more to the
people who hold without 80 much regard for
day-to-day or week-to-week developments.

HMJr:

R:

HMJr:

R:

Of course, if it goes up to a hundred and three,

that's kind of rich, ain't it?

Yes it is, but I think that would be a temporary
situation, and I think it would be a cushion
worth having at this time.
You think the two and a half would get off to
a slower start as far as price goes?
Yes, we do. But it would do better, I think,
over a period.

HMJr:

S:

HMJr:

S:

Anybody favor what Devine wants to offer it at a hundred and one?

Well, we had thought about that and we don't
think that that would be so good.

You don't think so? Allan, how worried would
you be if I did a two and three eighths?
Well, I would be pretty worried - not from the
standpoint of this issue's going, but from the

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-5standpoint of your whole program and getting

it off on the right foot here at a point where

it seems to me it's taking on volume and velocity
and it's going to have to move along with real
pace now.

HMJr:

S:

HMJr:

S:

Why, nobody's talking about the high price of
bonds. Nobody worries about that?

Well, I'm not.
You're not? Well, this two and a half issue

will put up the prices still higher.

I don't think it will. I think you'll have

a very substantial issue here and more coming

out; and my idea is that if it goes up that
high, it will shade off again and that you'll
probably have rates stabilized here or even
going up a little over a period of months.
HMJr:

But what I can't get is what's so sacred about

S:

Well, it's the figure at which the investors -

two and a half.

on which they have fashioned as the one at which
they can make a living and really do business;
and they've come down from three to two and a

half and you might say they could go down still
further; but I think they're getting close to
realities now and the two and a half is the rate
that is about rock bottom for them to do business
on.

HMJr:

Let me ask you something else. Now we had in

McKnight from Detroit, and he's talking about
his McLucas.

S:

What?

HMJr:

McLucas.

S:

Yeah.

HMJr:

About his deposits falling off and that that's
true out in Kansas City. How are deposits in

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your area?
S:

HMJr:
S:

HMJr:

Well, deposits here have been going up,
but we have a very large volume of interbank deposits here in New York City, which
may be drawn down when this increase in
reserve requirements goes into effect, and
that will in turn affect the money market
situation here.
Are you

And the rise in our deposits has been flattening
out recently. There is that to be said about
our deposits. Since the last three months,
they've been flattening out.
Any of your members worried about reserve
requirements between now and the first of
the month?

S:

No, I don't think they are.

HMJr:

Anybody say they're going to be under water?

S:

HMJr:

No, I don't think so.
Well, Mr. Knight, of Chicago, thinks they're
going to be under water.

S:

Well, I think he has an idea, but he exaggerates
the figures with respect to his idea. I think
his idea that we haven't seen the full effects

of that yet is all right; but I think his figures
take the most gloomy possible view and beyond

what I think is likely or possible.
HMJr:

Well, I'm meeting with the boys at eleven.

As soon as it's over, I'll give you a ring.
S:

HMJr:

Fine.

I've never seen you quite 80 determined as you

are on this two and a half, huh?
S:

That's right.

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-7HMJr:
S:

Well, I hate to have to be popular.
(Laughs) Why you've been getting more and

more popular the last few weeks. With these

speeches you've been making, you ought to be
used
to it.
HMJr:

Well, I did read

S:

What?

HMJr:

I read a few hundred editorials on the six

per cent statement.
S:

(Laughs)

R:

(Laughs)

S:

Well, I wasn't counting that one. That wasn't
a speech.

HMJr:

I see. I see. Well, you stand by and some

time between now and twelve or sooner you'll

hear from me.
S:

All right, fine.

HMJr:

Thank you.

S:

Good-bye.

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October 8, 1941
11 a.m.

RE FINANCING

Present:

Mr. Eccles
Mr. Draper

Mr. Piser

Mr. McKee

Mr. Goldenweiser
Mr. Jones
Mr. Murphy

Mr. Morris
Mr. Hadley

H.M.Jr:

Well, have you fellows got your pencils
down to a fine point?

Eccles:

No, we have left that up to you.

H.M.Jr:

I can report this. 1 never saw the financial
community and the Federal Reserve System so

close together. They all want a two and a
half long. They even get a little mean about
it, some of the fellows.
Eccles:

I am glad to hear that.

McKee:

There is good reason to be suspicious when

you get - find yourself in that position.
(Discussion off the record).
H.M.Jr:

Where were we?

Eccles:

We were waiting to find out where the
Treasury is. We know where the Federal
and the financial community is. Now we are

trying to find out where the Treasury is.

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-2H.M.Jr:

Jesse has run nut on me.

Jones:

I am two and three-eights.

McKee:

That is three quarters you are sticking up,

H.M.Jr:

Wait a minute.

Jones:

I am still two and three-eighths, in spite
of my respect for the opinion of the Fed-

there.

eral Reserve and all my bankers who want
two and a half.

Eccles:

I think you are just horse trading here.

Jones:

No, I am not.

McKee:

Mr. Secretary, you are financing at pretty
near the top of the market, aren't you?
How far are you from the top, a couple of
thirty-seconds?

Hadley:

Not very far. About a quarter of a point from
the all-time high.

McKee:

I think that is something you have got to
keep in mind. I think you have got to keep

in mind also an adjustment of reserves that
may temper your subscriptions to some extent
by the banks, between now and the first of
November. How much that will discount your
subscriptions, I don't know.

H.M.Jr:

Well now, from that I don't - I don't get

what - from there you go where?
McKee:

Well, I think under the circumstances you
have got to think of whether you can take

the market advantage of the price of money

at this time, with these things ahead of
you.

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-3H.M.Jr:

I still don't get you. What would you have

McKee:

Well, your three eighths rate is taking

me do?

advantage of the top of the market. Now,
is that what you want to do with the things
ahead of you that may put your bond below

par?

H.M.Jr:

Well, why am I not doing exactly the same
thing on a two and a half 25 - 30 year bond?

McKee:

Well, I don't think so. I think there is

H.M.Jr:

You don't think I am taking advantage on

Draper:

I don't think you are, Mr. Secretary.

McKee:

No, I don't think you are.

Draper:

Psychologically. It may be --

McKee:

Because as I said yesterday, I think you have

a lot of psychology in the rate of the bond
that is awfully hard to appraise.

that?

put out patterns of rates in your series
of bonds, and I think a pattern rate of

two and a half on a long term market issue

falls very well in line with what you have

done in the past, and which you can have

as open issues for the future.

Eccles:

A two and a half rate is needed, and I

think that we have got a little bit more to
consider when you get down to this lower
rate structure than whether it is an eighth
or costs the Government a little more. I

think you do have a question of a - what does

it take to - after all, a minimum to support
a credit system, and we want a rate that

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-4appears to be a fair rate in the investment

market, because you want to get the support
and the confidence of a market and the

feeling that they have been treated fairly.
You want to encourage - be able to talk
about saving instead of spending. This

particular issue, we want it to go, so far
as it is possible, to put it in the hands
of the investors that are primarily interested
in the rate, much more so than in the maturity,
and I think that when you get to twenty years

or more, whether it is twenty, or twentyfive, or thirty, it doesn't have the same
effect as the maturity does on a shorter
issue. You haven't issued any long securities
under a two and a half rate, and unless we
want to establish a rate less than two and
a half for a long term financing, which I
think would be rather a dangerous thing to
undertake, that we shouldn't at this time
establish a rate below the two and a half,
because it seems to me that that is going

to tend to put a ceiling. on the rate.

Otherwise, the bonds may drop below par

if a higher rate is later given for a long
term issue.

H.M.Jr:

Eccles:

Well Marriner, I think the insurance companies
would buy the two and three-eights just -

not quite as readily, but they will buy them.
A lot of other investors, too. I think they
would because of necessity.

H.M.Jr:

The thing that bothers me is - I didn't mean

to interrupt you. I never in my life have
seen such complete opinion that everybody
wants a two and a half, and it is just a
question of whether I want to fly in the face

of that at this time, that is all. I mean,

just what is good sense, because I have got
to go back to these fellows again and again.

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-5Eccles:

I can do a two and three-eights, but just -I think you can temporarily, but --

H.M.Jr:

And just where I want to - you know, I have
never seen the fellows so determined that
this is what they want.

Eccles:

There is a lot of good argument for it.

Jones:

May I make a statement?

H.M.Jr:

I wish you would. That is what you are here

Jones:

This is not a statement by an expert on
monetary affairs, or finance, or anything
like that, but we go along and hunch the
rates up. We are just keeping step with
the farm people, the labor people, and

for.

industry. Everybody wants to get a little

of it while it is going. I think it is a
mistake. It is all right, it is not a big
mistake. The difference between two and

three-eighths and two and a half isn't much.
But we just keep in step with everybody
else.

H.M.Jr:

If we do what, Jesse?

Jones:

If you raise the price, if you get your
rates up.

Eccles:

You just keep it where it is, Jesse.

The rates have never been below that.

McKee:

The last bond he put out was two and a
half.

Jones:

You are raising the current rates.

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-6H.M.Jr:

No, lowering them.

Eccles:

No, this financing would be an all-time

Jones:

As I understand, you have got a bond

low.

selling at two thirteen, something like.

What is that, fifteen years?
Hadley:

Fifteen year bond.

Jones:

I think it is better for the country --

H.M.Jr:

We would be lowering them, Jesse.

Jones:

I thought if you would go about eighteen
or nineteen years, and hunch it up to
two and three-eighths, which is a quarter

above the current market. That is what it

amounts to.
H.M.Jr:

You are sticking to the two and three-

e ighths?
Jones:

Yes.

McKee:

Wishing for a shorter maturity.

Jones:

And justifying it with a little shorter
term.

I don't think it makes any difference whe-

ther we make the bond eighteen years

or twenty-five years.

That is the only question in my mind.

-7H.M.Jr:

26

Well, as far as going along, we are not. I
mean, if we stay at the two and a half, we
are not doing what the farmers or the other
fellows are doing, we are holding the rate

where it is. But if we do two and three

eighths, we are going in the opposite direction
of prices generally.

Jones:

I got the impression that we were going above

the market when we-H.M.Jr:

No. What they are accusing me of if I do a
two and three eighths, they say I am driving
too hard a bargain because I am forcing the

thing down further. They think at this time

we ought to level off. That is their objection, Jesse.

Eccles:

If we had a deflationary situation, I agree

with you.
H.M.Jr:

I just wonder if Jesse still thinks the same.
On the two and a half we are leveling off.
The last issue was two and a half, but this
time we will be going out fifteen years
further. Now, to do two and three eighths
would be driving the rates down a little bit,
and that is what everybody is kicking about.

Marriner says he doesn't think people can

live on less than two and a half. That is
his argument. Now, I would like to hear yours.
Jones:

My idea, if I were doing it, I think I would
take a - hunch the time up somewhere between

fifteen and twenty years and take a two and

three eighths rate. It might have a little
salutary effect. I don't know whether it
would or not. The thing that I am living

with every day prompts this thought. I haven't
found anybody in industry and finance who

wasn't ready to get his part while it is going

-8just the same as labor and the farmer. That
is the point that distresses me. We complain
of the - of the labor fellows, we complain of
the farmers, and we step right in and do the
same thing.

Eccles:

But, Jesse, do you expect the investor to be

willing to put his money into a security that is what we want him to do, rather than
spend it, see, at a longer term and a lower
yield when the money that he gets in interest
from that bond will buy less and less?
In other words, a two and three eighths - two
and three eighths dollars per hundred will
buy less today than two and three eighths

dollars per hundred would have six months ago.

So that what you have got to do, you can't
expect to get lower rates on capital when
prices are going up and expect at the same
time to induce the investor to put his money
in a long-term commitment. You may do it

today and get this over with, but it is my
opinion that if you do a bond of this sort
is likely to cause you trouble later because

you will have to go back and pay them two and
a half, and when you do this issue may cause

trouble and I - that is what I am thinking of.

I don't - not that you can't put this issue
out today, but I think within a six months'

period maybe or a year you may well find that

If you try to get this rate on the long issue

below two and a half, it is below what every-

body thinksis fair, and I just think it would
be making a psychological mistake.

Jones:

My thought to justify the rate was to make it

just a little bit shorter time, to justify the

rate.
H.M.Jr:

Well, they have pretty well agreed that if we
did a two and three eighths, I think it would

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28

be somewhere between - our boys say seventeen

to twenty-two years. Piser says 60-'65. New
York says '61-'63. I mean, there is that
much - well, that could be reconciled. Is the
Board altogether on this?

Eccles:

A hundred percent. We have been for two or

three weeks. As a matter of fact, the full

meeting of the Open Market Committee was

here Saturday and all of the bank presidents
were here. We at that time discussed the

whole general problem of monetary and finan-

cial policy; and, although there has been no
statement as to just how much you might need,

yet it was generally recognized there would
be some financing very shortly and it was
pretty unanimously agreed on this general
view that to go below two and a half on a
long issue would be somewhat of a mistake.

Draper:

I don't see, Mr. Secretary, how you could pos-

sibly justify a lower rate in an inflationary
attitude in the time of inflationary danger,
period. For the Government to take that

it seems to me, would be very hazardous to

do.

Eccles:

How about you, Dr. Goldenweiser? You haven't

said anything on this.

Goldenweiser: I feel very strongly, Mr. Secretary. Usually
I have no strong opinions on the precise rate
because I feel that those things are market

problems, but in this case I feel this way,
that in either case you are meeting the

market. It is a question of maturity. I

mean, you are not going to go out and do some-

thing. You are not going to pay the people
any more than the market price in either case.
In one case you are going to pay them the market
price on the shorter maturity and in another
case you are going to pay them the market

price on the long maturity so that it isn't

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a question, Mr. Jones, of taking advantage

of
the situation. It is a question of meeting
the market situation in either case.
Now, the reason I feel very strongly that the

two and a half percent bond would be a better

bond is because it fits into your - into a

pattern of savings situation that you have

established. You have got your savings bonds

on that rate. That is the investment rate

today, and you want to appeal to investors.
You don't want to appeal particularly to
the money market, which is the banks, and I

think that it does - the people don't know
the details of the maturities except a few

people. They are mostly the ones that you
have talked to because they are market-wise
people, but the people over the country don't
know those details and don't know the exact

yields, but they do know that the rate on

savings bonds is two and a half. We have
been accustomed now to think that if we want
to save and give the money to the Government

for safe keeping, it is a two and a half
rate. This will be very definitely a departure from it, and I think it would be, in

my opinion, rather a grave psychological mistake.

Jones:

You think the two and a half rate is the right
rate?

Goldenweiser: That is the way I feel, Mr. Secretary.
H.M.Jr:

Well, I think what I will do, I will take a
walk around the park by myself--

McKee:

I have got a hat out here, let's have some

paper.

H.M.Jr:

No. I will give you all a ring between now
and noon. I appreciate your trouble.

- 11 Jones:

It is the business of these gentlemen to
study these matters and it is not mine

30

particularly. I have a good deal of respect
for the Doctor. That is his life, is studying these matters. That doesn't mean I haven't
got any respect for these other gentlemen,

Marriner particularly. (Laughter)
Eccles:

John, you and I.

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October 8, 1941

12:00 M.
RE FINANCING

Present:

Mr. Morris
Mr. Haas
Mr. Murphy
Mr. Hadley

Mrs. Klotz

Mr. Bell

Haas:

I have got another idea.

H.M.Jr:

Too late. What is your idea?

Haas:

You are never sure of anything these days. If
you take the three eighths and go wrong, you

haven't got a friend in the world except Dave
and myself, and we don't go wrong.

Bell:

Jesse.

H.M.Jr:

Jesse has changed three times.

Haas:

Yes, he changed. If you should go wrong with

the two and a half - I think it looks pretty

good either way, as far as going. You have got

a lot of friends. But if anything happens to

the two and three eighths you haven't got any.

H.M.Jr:

What is the answer?

Haas:

If I were the Secretary of the Treasury, I think
I would do the two and a half, in view of this.

H.M.Jr:

What is the new idea?

Haas:

Well, I was two and three eights.

H.M.Jr:

Oh. Well, does anybody else want to get on board?

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-2Bell:
Hadley:

That is the way I feel about it.
I have heard that there are a lot of bank
orders already for two and a half and they
might be cancelled if it was two and three

eighths. They have already got them on the

books.

H.M.Jr:

Anybody want to get on board?

Murphy:

Morris:

I have been sitting there.
I said two and a half before I came in here.

Bell:

I haven't changed any.

(The Secretary held a telephone conversation
with Mr. Sproul and Mr. Rouse, as follows):

33
October 8, 1941
12:05 p.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Robert
Rouse:

Hello.

Allan
Sproul:

Hello.

HMJr:
S:

How do you - I hear you fellows are switching.
Well, that's misinformation.

HMJr:

You're
here. on the loudspeaker and they're laughing
S:

(Laughe)

R:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

I hear you're slipping towards two and a
quarter.

S:

Someone has been taking our name in vain.
HMJr:

Well, I took a walk around the circle, and
the stare say two and a half.

S:

Good for you.

HMJr:

No, it's the stars.

S:

What?

HMJr:

It's the stars. Stars.

S:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

Two and a half.

S:

HMJr:

Well, that sounds fine to me.
Now, the only other thing is, our boys here

would like to make it sixty-six seventy -

34

-2wait a minute, no - thirty-one thirty-six.
S:

HMJr:

Yes.

I'm all mixed up. I'm looking at too many
things here. Sixty-seven seventy-two.

S:

HMJr:
S:

HMJr:
S:

That's all right.
Is that all right?
That's all right, yeah.
That won't change it any?

No, I don't think that will change it much
and it may make it look just a little better
on price, although I don't think it'11 have
much effect.

HMJr:

Well, I'm going to do the thing. I want to

go out the window if twenty-seven seventy-two
doesn't look - got any doubts about that?
S:

No, I haven't. I think sixty-seven seventy-two

is all right, and I have no doubts of it as
compared with sixty-six seventy-one.

HMJr:

The other thing - the twenty-five thirty, I'm

afraid it's over a hundred and three.
S:

Well, it might; although I don't think so.
When you get out in that area, it's pretty
difficult to tell just where the price is
going to fall; and as I say, I think the
sixty-seven seventy-two is all right.

HMJr:

How about Rouse?

R:

I agree whole-heartedly.

HMJr:

On sixty-seven seventy-two?

R:

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

Well, now just wait a minute. Maybe I've got
somebody here that doesn't agree.

R:

(Laughs)

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-3(Following conversation takes place at

12:00 meeting on Financing.)
Hadley:

It 18 all right.
It is all right. The rates are two and a

HMJr:

You can't go by those.

Hadley:

It's an indicator, though. It is over two

Murphy:

Okay.

Haas:

I think it 18 all right. We had attempted

Bell:

quarter to two and a half points.

and a quarter points.

Bell:

to price it liberally.
It 18 liberal.

HMJr:

You mean sixty-seven seventy-two is liberal?

Haas:

I think it 1s.

HMJr:

Are you sure now, George?

Haas:

Yes, I will ride on that.

HMJr:

You ought to come out with something new.

Haas:

It is new to me.

HMJr:

On the sixty-seven seventy-two you are all
right?

Haas:

Yes.

Morris:

I think it is liberal. I would like to do

the seventy-one seventy-six if they want a
Savings Bond at two and a half. I would
rather go seventy-one seventy-six, the way
they are all feeling, and give them a
Savings Bond.

Bell:

Oh, you're feeling too good now. It is all

right. It is liberal. It is going over two

points.

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-4HMJr:

All right. Hello.

S:

Yeah.

HMJr:

My boys say that's liberal - sixty-seven
seventy-two.

S:

HMJr:

Well, I think you're around an area where
rate is more important than a year or two
on the maturity 80 they may be right, but
I wouldn't begin to take thebloom off of

it by saving any more, I don't believe.
No, oh no. But is sixty-seven seventy-two is there any bloom off on that?

S:

No,
I think that's all right. I don't
think

HMJr:

Well by golly, this thing's got to go well

because you fellows and the financing community

are getting what they asked for.

9:

They certainly are; and if it doesn't go

well, why we're out the window together.
HMJr:

I'll say you are.

S:

(Laughs)

R:

(Laughs)

HMJr:

And Dan says you can take the Board with
you.

S:

Well, I don't know whether we want to do
that.

HMJr:

You want your own parachute, huh?

S:

(Laughs. )

HMJr:

#

Well, all right. Well, thanks anyway. It's
been quite a mental struggle, but I'11 go
along and I'm doing it cheerfully.

S:

Well, I think you're coming out the right
place.

37

-5HMJr:

I hope 80. Well, cheerio.

S:

Thank you.

R:

All right.

S:

Good-bye.

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-3Bell:

Do the
yousmall
want fellow
to put any
of that
- do anything
for
on this
one?

H.M.Jr:

No, he has got the bank. I mean, he has got
all of our savings bonds. The small fellow
is out the window too. No, he has got the -

we have got all the Defense Savings Bonds for
him. When do you want me to sign?

Bell:

I will try and be ready before lunch.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I postponed my lunch until 1:15. Morris,
what I would like you to do, two things. I
would like Bell to let you see what he does
from now on and stay right with you, see? I
think it would be very good if you went up
to New York and sat at the trading desk for

the next two days, just sit up there.

Morris:

At the Federal?

H.M.Jr:

At the Federal. Get that and be back here

Monday. But I think you (Bell) might tell
them he will be up there tomorrow.

Bell:

O.K.

H.M.Jr:

Let him sit right at the trading desk for two
days to get that experience. You never had that?
No, sir.

Morris:
H.M.Jr:

I think you ought to have it. I would like you
to sit with Bell the next hour and a quarter

and find out how he has already written a

Bell:

circular. Have you got it written?
Oh, we had it all but the rate and the date.
(The Secretary held a telephone conversation with
Mr. Eccles, as follows):

October 8, 1941
12:09 p.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Eccles.

HMJr:

Hello.

Marriner
Eccles:

Hello.

HMJr:

Marriner

E:

Yes, Henry.

39

after the walk I decided two and a half.

HMJr:

Sixty-seven seventy-two.
E:

Sixty what?

HMJr:

Sixty-seven seventy-two.

E:

Well, I want to congratulate you. I'm delighted.

HMJr:

Yeah.

E:

I don't often feel 80 strongly about a thing,
but I think this is a crucial period and it is
awfully important not to make a mistake.

HMJr:
E:

HMJr:
E:

I don't want to make any mistakes.

I know you don't, and I feel that you've got
the unanimous - as far as I know, you've got
the unanimous support, I know, of all the

Board's staff and the Board and all the Federal
Reserve Banks. And if you've made a mistake,
by gosh, we're - every darn one - with you.
That's right.
So you have got that, one hundred per cent.
The other program - nobody felt happy about

it.
HMJr:

Okay, Marriner.

E:

All right, thanks.

HMJr:

Thank you.

-4-

H.M.Jr:

40

I am weakening. There is something phoney

about this. I think somebody has been preparing

the market for two weeks. The Fed let it
slip. They said they had been working on this

for two weeks.
Bell:

Sure, they admitted that they had this in view

H.M.Jr:

They let it slip. They have been working on
this for two or three weeks. It would make a
monkey out of them. It would increase the
excess reserves and lower the rate. It would

for two weeks.

be terrible.

Bell:

I don't quite look at it that way. Lowering

of the rate of two and three-eighths, to me,
wouldn't be lowering the rate.
H.M.Jr:

I don't want to, at this time, have the

financial community think I am taking advantage
of them.

Bell:

No, I don't think you could afford to have
them.

H.M.Jr:

They might think I am at two and three eights.
This itch in the right palm means money,
doesn't it?

Klotz:

Shaking hands.

H.M.Jr:

Well, on your way, boys, get busy.

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October 8, 1941
12:07 p.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Secretary Jones.

HMJr:

Jesse

Jesse
Jones:

Yes, Henry.

HMJr:

I decided on a two and a half, sixty-seven
seventy-two.

J:

That's twenty-five.

HMJr:

Twenty-six, thirty-one.

J:

Twenty-six, thirty-one.

HMJr:

Yes.

J:

Well, that'11 please them all; and it can't
be much of a mistake, 1f it is - I don't think

it is.

HMJr:

Well, at least it ought to - it's going to
please them, anyway.

J:

It's going to please everybody that's been

HMJr:

giving you advice, isn't it?
That's right.

J:

That's good.

HMJr:

That's right.

J:

Thanks.

HMJr:

Thank you.

10-8-41

submitted by or Haas

42

Suggestion with Respect to the Financing

It is suggested that offering a 2-1/2 percent bond at

a premium would have certain advantages over offering either
a 2-1/2 percent or a 2-3/8 percent bond at par:
(1) A 2-1/2 percent bond offered at 101 would have
a maturity approximately 5 years less than such

a bond if offered at par. This would go a long

way toward meeting your point that a 2-1/2 percent coupon would break too much new ground in

maturity. A 2-1/2 percent bond at par, at 101,
and at 101-1/2 respectively would fall about as
follows:

Premium

:
:
:

:

1967-72

2-4/32

2-4/32

1962-67

3-5/32

2-5/32

1959-64

3-17/32

2-1/32

At 101:

At 101-1/2:

Net

:

At par:

E

Gross

(2) It would give the market the 2-1/2 percent coupon
that it seems to be clamoring for.
(3) In the event of a subsequent period of market
weakness an issue 80 offered would have a cushion
equal to the premium. A decline below the offering price would not have as bad a psychological
effect as a decline below par.
It is emphasized that this suggestion is based upon the
supposition that the reluctance of the market to pay a
premium is less than its reluctance to accept a 2-3/8 percent coupon. This supposition would have to be thoroughly
checked with the market, therefore, if the suggestion is to

be given consideration.

10-8-41
43

Anemattedly Dr Haar. .

Estimated Yield Bases and Probable Premiums of

New Issues of Treasury Securities
(Based on Closing Bid Prices October 7, 1941)

Estimated

Maturity

Coupon

yield

basis

Probable premiums
Gross

Net

(Percent)
September 15, 1953-58

12 - 17 years

September 15, 1958-63

17 - 22 years

September 15, 1959-64

18 - 23 years
(Offered at 101-1/2)

September 15, 1962-67

21 - 26 years
(Offered at 101)

September 15, 1967-72

26 - 31 years
(Offered at Par)

2-1/4

2.07

1-29/32

1-29/32

2-3/8

2.24

1-29/32

1-29/32

2-1/2

2.26

3-17/32

2- 1/32

2-1/2

2.31

3- 5/32

2- 5/32

2-1/2

2.39

2- 4/32

2nd 4/32

44

Oct 7.

Discount Corh

want Band beyind 60-65
in farm
$ 850 without cach 70-75
22%

A 400 50-522%
-

10174-2

23/8 int not popular

will be sticky

but he says we can don't

one issue 65-70 2th
10-8-41

Denne

=103
at at 101
premium
S sell
68-71
24

#750-

51-53n54 2%
61-64

If 2 3/8 (

62-65

Itlefill
Savings BR
2-2-71-76

2'4 = 57-59

I

47

my Knight

Continental

)

10-8-41
48

23/8
1961-66

DAng

49

21/2

- 1967-72
H.L. mark

50

2 3/8
Sept. 15 1958-63

Whees

51

2 3/8-1-691-63
Maladay

3/16-11

e

21/2 To

69-71

MUB

53

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE October 8, 1941

TO Secretary Morgenthau
FROM

W. H. Hadley

Mr. Piser estimates that a 2-3/8% would be about September 1960-65

with a conservative price of 101-1/4, possibly running to 101-3/4.
On a 2-1/2% issue, he says a September 1966-71 possibly would sell
at 101-1/2 but nearer to 103-3/8.

throul
Rouse
61-63
101.7-102
66-71
101.28

02.26

54

October 8, 1941.

Dear Randolph:

Thank you for your very pleasant letter of
October 4th. I an delighted to know that you liked
the address, and that you felt the atmosphere of
the meeting was a sympathetic one.

I also was deeply interested in reading the
confidential report of the resolutions committee
which, as you say, coincided very closely with the
thoughts that I presented in the Chicago address.
Thank you also for your word about the airplane

misadventure last Friday. It was an exciting experience
and one that I would just as soon not repeat.
With cordial regards,
Sincerely,

(Signed) Henry

Dr. V. Randolph Burgess,
Vice Chairman of the Board,
The National City Bank of New York,

55 Wall Street,

New York, New York.
GEF/dbs

fill to channery

55

The National
City Bank
of New York
ESTABLISHED 1812

New York
OFFICE OF

October 4, 1941.

THE VICE CHAIRMAN
OF THE BOARD

Dear Henry:

You might like to have a full copy of the report
of the resolutions committee which was read after your

address on Thursday morning. It seems to me to fit your
address like & glove.
Let me say again how pleased I was with your

address and with the whole occasion, which I think brought

the Treasury and the bankers closer together at this critical
time when 8 sympathetic understanding is so essential.
Sincerely yours,

Randagle
Hon. Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
RRB.H

Welver as ood deal alarmed
at the plane adventure can't offend

to have you laid up -

56
10-1-41

Final Draft
CONFIDENTIAL

REPORT OF RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE

The situation of this country probably 18 more critical than most people realize. Our defense is less advanced
than headlines of huge spending lead us to think. The shift
of the Nazi legions toward the East and the stubborn Russian

resistance have fostered a false sense of security. Increased
employment, high wages, and huge production of goods for our

satisfaction lull us almost irresistibly into an equally false
sense of national well-being.
The United States today faces two major tasks. The

first is to speed up the defense effort, to turn out ships and
planes and tanks and guns more rapidly. This means concentrating
more on defense and less on luxuries and comforts.
The second task is to avoid unbalancing our economic

machinery by this vast defense activity and spending. The
Treasury warns that inflation threatens now. Inflation means
later depression. These dangers can be avoided, but only by

persistent, intelligent, and united effort.
To both of these tasks the bankers of the United States

pledge their full support.

57

BANK LENDING POLICIES

Bankers are aiding the Defense Program by loans for the

erection of defense plants, and for the purchase of raw materials
and the payment of wages in the defense industries. Such loans
have reached huge sums and continue to mount.

This Association recognizes the important assistance
that may be rendered by sound credit in stimulating the increased
production of "Food and Feed for Defense". Bankers will work

with the farmers of this country to attain the higher production

required. We reaffirm the position that in agricultural credit,
as in other fields, government lending agencies should supplement
and not supplant the banks.

Banks are observing both the letter and the spirit of the
new regulations for controlling instalment credit.
This 18 a time for liberal lending for defense and for
conservative lending for all other purposes. This is a time when
in their own interest, people generally should be paying their
debts instead of borrowing more.

This particularly 18 a time for bankers to keep their
own houses in order and to avoid credit expansion for excessive

inventory accumulation or for other speculative purposes. This
objective can be attained best through our voluntary cooperation
rather than by government regulation.

58

SMALL BUSINESS & DEFENSE

No man knows better the problem of the small business

man then does his banker. Small business has a vital role in
defense. Bankers have aided and will continue to aid in speeding expansion of the defense program through subcontracts to

small business and the "bits and pieces" plan.

59

DEFENSE SAVINGS BONDS

Bankers endorse the effort of the government to borrow

directly from its citizens through the sale of defense savings
bonds, stamps, and tax anticipation notes. This 18 a sound
step in resisting inflationary credit expansion. Banks are
cooperating vigorously in the sale of these obligations as a

public service and without profit. In their own self interest
we urge all citizens to buy all three issues.

60
-5TAXATION

Members of this Association commend the policy of the
Federal Government in seeking to meet a large proportion of

the cost of the defense effort through taxation. This is
sound public policy.

It is necessary, however, that in determining types
and methods of taxation the burden should be distributed
equitably over the whole population. Unless those who receive
increased wages and profits from defense pay proportionate

taxes, their spending will be inflationary. Unless all of the
people share knowingly in paying Federal taxes, spending will
become politically unoontrollable. Representation wi thout

taxation may be as vicious as taxation without representation.
Equally is it necessary that the power of taxation must
not be used to destroy enterprise, which is the only source
both of taxes and of the unparalleled standard of living of
this country. While a heavy burden of taxes may be necessary,
each tax must be scrutinized to make sure that it does not

destroy either enterprise itself or the incentive for enterprise.

61
-6PRICE CONTROL

A policy of controlling inflation must include direct
control not only over prices, but also over the cost elements
which are the cause of prices. Such controls must be equitable. No pressure groups should be allowed to obtain unfair
advantage over other citizens in a less favorable position

to exert political pressure. We believe all of our

people

are prepared to cooperate in proposals which are fair and

just to all, but we believe that complete cooperation is
dependent upon the fairness and justice of the program adopted.

There must be no exception; there must be equality of sacrifice.

62
-7NON-DEFENSE SPENDING

This Association heartily approves the creation by
the Congress of a Joint Committee to investigate Federal
expenditures and to recommend the reduction of non-essential
spending at this time of emergency. . When men in the service,

taxpayers, businessmen, and others are being asked for saorifices, the agencies of Government themselves must demonarate

their willingness to sacrifice non-essential activities for the
Defense Program.

63

GUIDING PRINCIPLES

These times call for the old-fashioned virtues of
working and saving. The bankers here assembled pledge them-

selves, each in his own community, to work toward these ends.

We are everlastingly grateful for the privilege of
living in a democracy which Holds fast to the principles of
liberty and justice for all. We have unbounded faith in the
resources and capacity of this country for meeting to the

fullest its obligations in this trying hour. We have enduring confidence in the ability of the American people to preserve at any cost the rights and privileges which they enjoy
in this free Republic.
We pledge our full support to effective policies and
programs of our government to defend and preserve democracy

and democratic institutions.

64

APPRECIATION AND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

The American Bankers Association wholeheartedly appreciates

the loyal and faithful service of its retiring President, P. D.
Houston. Always mindful of the responsibility of the office he
has performed his duties with courage, justice, and deliberation.
H16 accomplishments as our President long will be remembered.

To B. Murray Peyton who retires as Treasurer, we acknowl-

edge a debt of gratitude for his assiduous attention to duties as
well as his wise counsel.

The Association congratulates and reaffirms its confidence in the members of the staff who during the last year have

discharged their duties successfully and loyally.
Many individual bankers and committeemen during the

year have given of their time and effort to the activities of
the Association, and to them we express our gratitude.
To those speakers who have addressed the convention and

the special meetings during this session we give our thanks and
appreciation for the messages they have given.
To the Chicago banks, members of the American Bankers

Association who have been hosts to the delegates and guests at

this Convention, we express our appreciation for their untiring

efforts in making this visit to their city a most pleasant and
enjoyable one.

To the hotels, the press, and the citizens of the city
of Chicago we also express our thanks for their cordiality and
friendliness in making this convention a success.

65
October 8, 1941

Dear Mr. Edwards:

Thank you for your letter of October 4th, and
for the clipping from the American Banker. I was
interested to see how the editor of this magasine

handled the general reaction to my appearance there.

In this connection, I want also to thank you
for your part in arranging my trip. I very much
enjoyed it and feel that it was well worthwhile to

have appeared before this association. I have been
glad to hear a number of favorable reactions to
what I said there.
With cordial personal regards,
Sincerely,

(Signed) H. Morgenthan, Jr.
Mr. B. M. Edwards,

Assistant to the Secretary
of the Treasury,

711 - 12th Street, N. N.,

Washington, D.C.
GEFaro

channey

66

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

Columbia, S. C.
October 4, 1941

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.
Dear Mr. Morgenthau:

I am enclosing a clipping from the
American Banker of October 3 commenting on

the address which you delivered before the
American Bankers Association in convention

in Chicago, as I think it probably will be
of interest to you.
With kindest regards, I am
Very truly yours,

B. M. Edwards, Assistant to the
Secretary of the Treasury
BME:mtb

encl

t/c
P

C

THE AMERICAN BANKER

October 3, 1941

Morgenthau Speech At A. B. A. Meet
Gets Much Applause From Delegates
Who Overflowed Ballroom To Hear Him
Banker Reaction To What He
Said Was Generally Highly
Favorable.

Chicago, III., Oct. 2. Two

thousand six hundred and sixtyone chairs were crowded into the
Grand Ballroom of the Stevens
Hotel (ordinary capacity 2,400)
this morning, but the crowd that
turned out to hear the address of
Secretary of the Treasury Henry
Morgenthau, Jr. before the closing business session of the Ameri-

can Bankers Association overflowed into the standing room
available and crowded about the
doors.

The stenographic reports of the Secre-

tary's speech will report an interruption
of "applause" right in the midst of the
speech as well as a fullsome measure of
applause at the end. and the banker reaction to what he said was generally

Banker Reaction
Favorable

What did the bank audience-think of
the Secretary's remarks? Here are a few
after-the-speech comments:

"I for one am glad that the requirement for collateral on the 'E' Defense
Bonds is being dispensed with. That was

just a nuisance. Lots more country
banks will now qualify as agents and

Spontaneously, the applause curled
across the hall, largest hotel ballroom in
America, and exploded, and continued.
A. B. A. President Houston had to rise
and signal for its subsidence. Then See.
retary Morgenthau went on: "Since you
like that statement so much. I shall be
very happy to repeat it," and as he did
so, there was another smaller wave of
handclapping, and laughter.

for sound thinking of that sort in Wash"Why didn't he say something to ex
plain his suggestion a few days ago

"What the Secretary said was unques-

tienably sound and I am for it all the
way. I am going back to my little country town and redouble my efforts to push
the Defense Bond sales."

Likes His Views
On Inflation
"What impressed me is his very sincere apprehension of the dangers and

hardships of inflation. And that next

the Government Well, did you ever

practice."

policy-makers and pressure groups ready

times).

Non-Defense Spending

repeatedly, that the Government cut
down immediately on non-defense expenditure. not only as sound financial
policy. but as sound anti-inflationary

put them over? What I mean is, are the

"ngton."

highly favorable.
Applaud His Stand On

The applause which interrupted his

through his speech. That shows that
what bankers are doing is getting some
recognition in Washington."
"Sure his ideas are sound, but can he

help the Treasury." (Heard many

year's tax bill is going to be something
even heavier than the one we are preparing to pay right now."
"Did you notice where the Secretary
said bankers had been 'real partners' of

address came when the Secretary said:
"I have already suggested, not once, but

banker. "I suppose what is most im
portant was the conciliatory and friendly
attitude expressed by the Secretary all

hear the story about Sam. Well. Sam
was awful blue when he came home one

night. and his wife asked what's up.
Didn't I tell you,' said Sam, 'they were

talking about making me a partner
where I work. Well, they did it.' May
be we'd ought to stay a creditor and not
play partners."

From a banker's wife: "The idea of
giving Defense Bonds for Christmas
gifts sounds very good. And for gifts

of all kind. I am going down to a

State women's club meeting next week
and I am going to urge them to advocate cutting out useless gifts for bridge
prizes and the like, and give Defense
Stamps and Bonds. I like his idea on
more payroll-subscription Defense Bond
savings accounts. But I still think that
the Treasury is not really going to get
anywhere with its so-called popular savings appeals until it gives us quotas to
work: on."

What do I think," from a big city

that corporation profits should be limited

to 6% for the duration of the defense
emergency?

"Delighted with every word of what
the Secretary said. I hope his counsel
will prevail on non-defense spending and
anti-inflationary measures."

"I was glad that he came right out
and called a spade a spade on farm
prices and wage increases." What Secretary Morgenthau had said was to repeat his statement made at Boston that

t was 'sheer folly' for the farmer to

seek higher prices, for labor leaders to
seek continual new increases in wages,
or for landlords, business men, bankers
or any group to exploit the present emergency."

"The Secretary is undoubtedly sincere
and has the courage of his convictions,

and I hope that he gets as much ap
plause at Washington as he got here.'
Following the Secretary's speech, he
and Senator Connally were honor guests

of A. B. A. President P. D. Houston at
a private luncheon, attended by a score
of Chicago banking heads and A. B. A.
leaders and past presidents.

68
October 8, 1941
12:11 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Cordell
Hull:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Good morning, Cordell.

H:

What did you develop?

HMJr:

Well, after I saw the English I had the

Russians come to the house at half past
nine.

H:

HMJr:

What kind of a man have they got here?

Well, he seems like a very decent fellow.
He has a little trouble understanding English,
but a quiet, nice man.

H:

Yes.

HMJr:

And I told them that I didn't think that

H:

Yes.

HMJr:

their gold would ever be as useful to them
in the next three weeks - be more useful to
them in the next three weeks than 11 would any
time in the next ten years.

And that I was ready to buy their gold against
up to as long as six months' delivery, if
necessary.

H:

Yes.

HMJr:

And that Hopkins said he had fifty million

H:

Yes.

HMJr:

And I couldn't understand why they didn't take

dollars worth of guns and planes.

1t.
H:

Yes.

HMJr:

Why do they want to hoard their gold?

.

69

-2- H:

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:

H:

HMJr:

Yes.

Well, I put as much steam into it as I could.
Yes.

So the man told me this - I can't pronounce

his name.

Oh, you're not expected to.
So he said, "Well, nobody's ever told us
before that there was fifty million dollars
worth of material that we could have."

H:

Yeah, I see.

HMJr:

So he said, "That's something quite new."

H:

Yes.

HMJr:

So he said he'd get a cable off last night, and
was telling them that I was ready to advance
them fifty million dollars against delivery of
gold up to six months.

H:

Yes. That's good.

HMJr:

Now

H:

That ought to help out the situation.

HMJr:

It ought to. Then I called up Harry this

morning and I said, "Now, can you make good
on it?'
H:

Yes.

HMJr:

Harry Hopkins. He said, "Yes, I can.' II

H:

HMJr:

H:

Well, that's very important.
So I should think if they were going to do
it, we ought to hear by Friday.

Well, that's very interesting. I shall listen
for the telephone to ring Friday.

as 70
HMJr:
H:

Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you.

71
October 8, 1941
2:45 p.m.
HMJr:

Operator:
HMJr:

Floyd

Hello.
Mr. Odlum.

Hello.

Odlum:

Hello.

HMJr:

Hello, Mr. Odlum.

0:

Yes.

HMJr:

This is Henry Morgenthau.

O:

Yes.

HMJr:

You wrote me a letter a few days ago which
I've delayed in answering because I've been
pricing an issue. You know what that means.

O:

Yes.

HMJr:

I have with me now Chester Barnard - I don't
know whether you know him.

O:

HMJr:

No, I do not.
Well, he's President of the Bell Telephone of
New Jersey. And he is helping me on this
Procurement matter.

0:

Yes.

HMJr:

Now, I'd like the two of you to get together.
I got another letter from you yesterday.
That's right.

O:

HMJr:

And I'm going to ask him to call you.

O:

Good.

HMJr:

And I'm sure between the two of you you can

work out something that will be all right.

72

-2O:

Well, that's excellent. That's just exactly
what I wanted; because I know that in the

Treasury Procurement, there are many ways,

because they're not in the difficult stuff
like Ordnance where we can help over this
emergency by spreading the work around a

HMJr:

little bit more than in most purchases.
Well, I want you to know I'm in entire sympathy
with what you're trying to do; and the more

you can spread it, the more I like it.

0:

Swell.

HMJr:

So I'm going to - I'll have Mr. Barnard call

you and add any suggestions.

O:

Thank you so much. I appreciate your calling.

HMJr:

Thank you.

O:

Good-bye.

73
October 8, 1941
2:50 p.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Barnard.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Go ahead.

HMJr:

Hello.

Chester

Barnard:

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

Mr. Morgenthau.

B:

Yes, sir.

HMJr:

B:

HMJr:

I just got another communication which is
on the way into your office from Floyd Odlum.
Yes.

And I called him up and said that I was
referring the matter to you and the one that

came in last week. I haven't got that yet.
I mean the one that Harold Graves has.

B:

Yes. He says I looked at it in your office

at the Monday morning meeting, and I put it
back on your desk.

HMJr:

On my desk?

B:

Yes. And they're trying to get it from

HMJr:

Mrs. Klotz. She's been tied up.
Well, I'll have to go through my papers.

Perhaps if it's on my desk, you'll have it
within a minute.

B:

All right, sir.

HMJr:

Would you call up Floyd Odlum for me.

B:

Yes.

74

-2HMJr:

I just got through talking to him - and

B:

I will.

HMJr:

B:

HMJr:

arrange to see him?

And find out just what he wants - if we can
do it - because when it comes to giving
business to the little fellow, why I try
to reciprocate and I'm sure you are, too.

Yes, All right, sir. I'll do that.
Thank you.

75

MEMORANDUM

October 8, 1941.

TO:

The Secretary

FROM:

Mr. Sullivan

Senator George phoned at 4:35 p.m. to advise me that today
he had talked with the President about the Social Security program.
The Senator got the impression that the President had made some com-

urtiments and felt obliged to send some sort of message to the Hill.

However, the President said such a message would be general in nature,

would not be sent for three or four weeks, and the leaders of the
Senate Finance and House Ways and Means Committees would have an

opportunity to talk with the President before the message was sent.
The President told Senator George that it was his idea that
the Commi ttee could do some preliminary investigating through the fall
and winter and not really go to work on this problem until next year.
The President also stated that he understood there was to
be plenty of other work to keep these two committees busy in the mean-

time and that he had no intention of sidetracking this work with the

Social Security program.

JLS

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
76

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

October 8, 1941.

Joseph J. O'Connell, Jr.
Attached is a compilation of statements made
by Bernard M. Baruch, William G. McAdoo and David

Houston concerning taking the profit out of war.
As you can see, McAdoo, who had very little
to say on the subject, advocated an 80 per cent

war profits tax to be administered in conjunction

with an excess profits tax. The war profits tax
was to be based on average earnings, and the excess
profits tax to be based on invested capital. He

did not apparently favor a 100 per cent excess profits
tax.

Houston's only public statement was one proposing

a repeal of the war time excess profits tax.

Baruch has spoken often but it is not entirely

clear what he would favor. In common with most who
say anything publicly on the subject he wants to

"take the profit out of war" but just how he would
do it is not so clear. He feels that freezing prices
as of a date prior to the war period is the most
effective single method of preventing inflation and
high profits, but that excess profits taxation, as
well as other devices, would also be helpful. He
states that excess profits taxes, standing alone, have
no effect whatever to check inflation. However, he
is referring to an80 per cent excess profits tax and
his arguments fall completely to the ground if we

assume that the excess profits tax would be 100 per cent.
In general, it can be said that he would advocate a

high excess profits tax as an adjunct to direct control
of all prices.

Jayer Johnson

STATEMENTS
by

BERNARD M. BARUCH, WM. G. McADOO, AND
DAVID HOUSTON

concerning
TAKING THE PROFIT OUT OF WAR

Bernard M. Baruch

It does not appear that Bernard M. Baruch made any

public statements concerning war profiteering during the
period that he was serving as a member, and later as

chairman, of the War Industries Board. Since the close
of the First World War, however, Mr. Baruch has, on many

occasions, dealt with the problem of "Taking the Profit
Out of War".

In an article with that title, written in 1926 for
the Atlantic Monthly, Mr. Baruch said:
"In the war emergency it early became
evident to those who were charged with the

responsibility of mobilizing the resources
that there was a just sentiment among the

people against profiteering. Profiteering
might be willful and profit-making might be
involuntary; but, whatever its form, there

was a just determination it should cease.
So it became necessary to fix prices where
the supply was limited.
Wherever the Government created a

shortage by its demands, prices were fixed,

-2not only for the Army, Navy, and the Allies,

but for the civilian population as well.

**

"If we were to start, in the event of

another war, at the place where we were
industrially when the World War ended, the
President, acting through an agency similar
to the War Industries Board, would have the

right to fix prices of all things as of a

date previous to the declaration of war when
there was a fair peace-time relationship
among the various activities of the nation.

It would be illegal to buy, sell, serve, or

rent at any other than these prices. Brakes
would be applied to every agency of inflation
before the hurtful process started.
"Money would be controlled and directed

like any other resource. 'Taking the profit

out of war' is not synonymous with 'conscription of wealth," as it is sometimes regarded.

The latter is a theoretical project, prohibited
by our Constitution, contrary to the spirit of
our social and political institutions, and impossible in practice. Taking the profit out
of war is an orderly and scientific development

of the economics and conduct of modern war,

necessary to the effective mobilization of

national resources and indispensable to equalizing the burdens of war among the armed and

civilian population. Born of experience and

proved by practice, it removes some of the most
destructive concomitants of modern war--the
confusion and waste incident to wartime infla-

tion." (1926) 137 Atl. Monthly 23, 24-27.

Mr. Baruch reiterated his plan for a ceiling over all
prices during war-time in a memorandum presented to the

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-3Joint Congressional and Cabinet Commission on Industrial

Mobilization in 1931. He suggested the enactment of a

statute which would give to the President, after a declaration of war by the Congress or during the existence of an
emergency due to imminence of war, the power to select a
date prior to the existence of the emergency when abnormal

disturbances in the general structure of market prices
were at a minimum, and to proclaim that thereafter no one
should pay a price higher than the price charged on the
date selected. Baruch, American Industries in the War

(1941), 458. In conjunction with such a price control
statute Mr. Baruch advocated an excess profits tax. He
explained the need for such a tax in these words:
"We always have low-cost producers and

high-cost producers. War requires all producers. This presents the most difficult
aspect of the problem:

'If we raise the prices sufficiently

high to pay a reasonable profit to the highcost producer, we will thereby create inordinately high profits to the low-cost

producers.

"There are only two alternatives--creat
a system of bonuses to the latter class or

limit, by an excess profits tax, the return
on invested capital to the former class. After

exhaustive study during the war the former

method was considered impracticable and the
latter was adopted. ####

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-4However, it was also Mr. Baruch's position that:
"Excess profits taxes standing alone-have no effect whatever to check inflation.

Their only effect is to increase it. Thus 20

per cent of $500,000 profit is $100,000 and
20 per cent of $1,000,000 profit is $200,000.
One way to increase $500,000 profit to
$1,000,000 profit without increased risk or

effort is to double price. For this reason
there is more incentive to increase pricesand therefore profits--under an 80 per cent
excess profits tax than there is without it.

Indeed, the main result of such a system is to
induce rapid price increase to absorb the tax. ***

"Consider for example the simple case of
a company capitalized for $1,000,000, selling

$1,000,000 worth of goods annually, making 20

per cent gross profit or $200,000 on its turnover, and having $100,000 of expenses of

administration and selling, leaving a net
profit of $100,000 or 10 per cent on both its
normal turnover and its capital. Suppose,
also, that 10 per cent of its costs of manufacture
or $800,000 are fixed overhead charges--de-

preciation, maintenance, supervision, taxes, etc.
Then its costs for material and direct labor are
$720,000 for every million dollars' worth of
goods it sells. Now suppose that war comes and

we need the full capacity of that plant. We
give it orders for $4,000,000 worth of goods to
be delivered in a single year. It has no increased selling and general administrative ex-

pense because the demand is so great that no

such effort is required. Neither do the fixed

overhead elements of its manufacturing costs

increase greatly--sa; only to $90,000. What

happens to the profits of that plant? Its
material and direct labor costs on its $4,000,000
sales are $2,880,000. To this it must add
$90,000 for fixed overhead charges in its factory
and $100,000 for general and administrative expense, making a total cost for goods sold of

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-5$3,070,000. Its net profit is therefore $930,000
or 930 per cent of its normal profits in peace.
It is making nearly 100 per cent on its invest-

ment and its net profit on turnover has increased
from 10 per cent to 23 per cent. Even if we
assess a tax of 80 per cent on the $830,000 of

excess over peace profit, that plant will still

be making $260,000 or 260 per cent of its normal
profits.

"I want you particularly to note that this

example considers no increase in price whatever, ***

"I recall vividly that, during the war, even

after we had, by price fixing, compelled a reduction of 35 per cent from the peak index figure of
iron and steel, and even after the 80 per cent
excess profits tax was in effect, some high-minded

and public-spirited steel men came to me expressing apprehension over the enormous profits they
were making under our restrictive system operat-

ing at its best. The reason they were making such

profits in spite of all we could do is made clear
by the example I have given you. If to the

enormous increase in profits shown by that example
we add the profits due to a runaway market, the
figures of profit become even more astonishing."

In refuting statements that high prices stimulate production, Mr. Baruch said:

"The suggestion * * # that we can entice

extraordinary effort by a bait of huge profits,

later to be magicked away--is hardly appropriate
now because the whole of industry is on notice
that we shall have an excess profits tax in any

war--it is a recognized incident of war operations
everywhere.

"Finally I concur fully in Mr. Baker's answer
to that suggestion (p. 135): 'I do not think prices
were ever fixed high as a means of increasing production. I think it was not necessary to stimulate anybody to produce in America.'

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82

"There are reasons supporting Mr. Baker's view

which stand entirely apart from the stimulation of

patriotism--which, in itself, is sufficient: Our

modern production plant is highly mechanized. Mechanical mass production brings low costs, but
only when the machines are operating close to

capacity. * when they [the machines] are

speeded, the results in reduced cost per unit of
production are sometimes almost fabulous. It
is this economic circumstance which insures us

against any faltering of production, and the expedient of increasing prices (with the excess

profits tax to offset profiteering) is wholly un-

necessary to increase production.

"While the excess profits tax is an in-

dispensable concomitant to proper industrial

mobilization, the points I have tried to

demonstrate and now emphasize by repetition
are:

"(a) Even with a fixed price structure
and a high excess profits tax there will be

huge war profits.

"(b) It is both futile and unnecessary
to try to stimulate production by high prices-relying on an excess profits tax to recapture
these profits.

"(c) The excess profits tax--standing

alone-- as a means for equalizing the burdens

of war and eliminating the profits of war is
fatally defective because it aggravates inflation and therefore fails to protect us against

the most destructive phenomenon of modern war."
Baruch, American Industry in the War (1941)

415-417.

In 1935, Mr. Baruch appeared before the House Committee

on Military Affairs and again advocated the enactment of a

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statute providing for a general over-all price ceiling in
time of war. He proposed to limit profits by keeping
prices at a peace-time level by freezing prices as of a
certain day, subject to such adjustments as a Price Fixing
Committee might find necessary to make. House Committee

Hearings, 74th Cong., 1st Sess. (1935) vol. 696, Part II,

p. 3. In the same year Mr. Baruch testified before the
Senate Munitions Investigating Committee. He stated in
part:

* * The cold fact remains that ours is

an economy activated by profits. There is no
proof that it will run on psychology and there

is much that it will not. Certainly we should
not select an hour when the enemy is at the gates
to find out whether it will or not." Senate
Munitions Investigating Committee, Hearings on

the Munitions Industry, 74th Cong., 1st Sess.
(1935), part 23, p. 6633.

During his recent appearance before the House Committee

on Banking and Currency during hearings on the Price Control

Bill, Mr. Baruch once again took the position that war pro-

fiteering could best be eliminated by the over-all price
ceiling administered in conjunction with an excess profits
tax. He added:

"# * # but I must emphasize that no tax
program alone can recapture all excessive profits.

Profits must also be controlled at their source

which is rising, runaway prices. House Committee

-8on Banking and Currency, Hearings on H.R. 5479

(Price Control Bill), 77th Cong., 1st Sess.
(1941), p. 743.

William G. McAdoo

It appears that the only statements made by
William G. McAdoo concerning the taking of profit out

of war are relative to the enactment of the excess profits
tax. In November, 1917, Mr. McAdoo, taking the position

that the main purpose of the excess profits tax should be
to increase the Government's revenue, stated:

"The first aim of the Treasury Department

will be to accomplish a collection of the full

amount of revenue desired by Congress in fram-

ing the tax law to prosecute the war." New York

Times, November 14, 1917, 10:1.

In August, 1918, Mr. McAdoo advocated the adoption of

an 80 per cent war profits tax to be administered in con-

junction with the excess profits tax. The war profits tax
was to be on all profits in excess of the normal profit
before the war, while the excess profits tax was imposed

on all profits over and above a given return on capital.
Concerning the war profits tax, Mr. McAdoo stated:

"The adoption of an 80 per cent. war profits
tax should render unnecessary, and I believe undesirable, any increase in the existing excess

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profits tax rate. It is my strong conviction
that the taxation of genuine war profits would
reach real war profiteering, and that it is at
the same time a thoroughly justifiable measure
on economic grounds, as well as a certain and
indispensable producer of a large part of the
required revenue.

"The patriotic producers of America should

be

content if one - -fifth of their war profits are

secured to them # # #." New York Times, August 8,
1918, 17:2; see also, New York Times, August 15,
1918, 1:1, and August 20, 1918, 6:3.

David Houston

In the only statement which Mr. Houston appears to

have made concerning this subject, he urged the repeal of

the excess profits tax. He said:
"The reasons for the repeal of the excessprofits tax should be convincing even to those
who, on grounds of theory or general political

philosophy, are in favor of taxes of this nature.
The tax does not attain in practice the theoretical
end at which it aims. It discriminates against
conservatively financed corporations and in favor
of those whose capitalization is exaggerated: in-

deed, many overcapitalized corporations escape

with unduly small contributions. It is exceedingly complex in its application and difficult of

administration, despite the fact that it is limited

to one class of business concerns--corporations.

Moreover, it is rapidly losing its productivity.

The invested capital of the average corporation,

earning profits high enough to subject it to the
excess-profits tax, is now estimated to be in-

creasing at the approximate rate of 12 percent a
year, while the income of the average corporation

is almost certainly declining at as great a rate.

- 10 Both movements cut into the productivity of

the tax. If the present changes in capital

and income continue for sometime in the future,
as now seems probable, large reduction may be

expected in the yield of the excess-profits

tax. For the present fiscal year the profits

tax, with collection of back taxes, is estimated
to yield about $1,250,000,000 and for the fiscal

year 1922 about $800,000,000 as against an

estimated yield for the fiscal year 1920 of
slightly over $2,000,000,000. Hearing before a

Subcommittee of the Committee on Finance, United
States Senate, 74th Cong., 2d Sess. on H.R. 5529

(an Act to prevent profiteering in time of war).

Subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Finance,

Hearings on H.R. 5529 (Bill to prevent war-time
profiteering), 74th Cong., 2d Sess. (1935), p. 89.

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Treasury Department

Division of Monetary Research

87

Date October 7, 1941

(
To:

19

Secretary Morgenthau

At the meeting of the Economic Defense Board
on August 27th, the Vice President asked the Treasury

Department to prepare, for the use of the staff to be
assembled by the Economic Defense Board, a memorandum

in the economic defense functions administered by the
Treasury Department.

The appended memorandum lists the various
functions administered by the Treasury Department

which relate to the problems of economic defense.

MR. WHITE

Branch 2058 - 2141

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October 8, 1941
Confidential

MEMORANDUM FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT

Subject: Economic Defense Functions Administered by the Treasury.
In response to your request of August 27 for a memorandum on
the economic defense functions administered by the Treasury Department, we give below a brief description of those economic defense

activities in which the Treasury Department participates.

A. Functions Administered Mainly by the Treasury

1. Foreign Funds Control administered in accordance with policies determined by State, Justice and Treasury Departments.

The policies governing the administration of foreign funds
are designed to:

a. Prevent Axis countries, and countries dominated by the
Axis, from using their dollar assets or influence to
draw upon our resources to maintain their war effort,
to strengthen their economic position, and to exclude
this country and other friendly countries from full
access to vital materials.
b. Prevent Axis countries, and countries dominated by the
Axis, from using the world's strongest medium of international exchange - the American dollar - and to prevent

their use of our banking and financial facilities for

commerce or other activity in the United States or any
other part of the world. Thus, in denying the Axis the

right to settle balances in dollars, you injure or destroy
its competitive position in markets where the demand for
dollars is strong.

C. Prevent the physical movement in the import or export
of goods between the United States and any Axis area or
Axis firm both by direct control through Custome and by

control over all the financial transactions incident

to any such movement of goods. Thus, a complete control
has been placed on every aspect of trade and commerce
between Japan and the United States and between persons

-2whose names appear on The Proclaimed List of Certain
Blocked Nationals and the United States.

d. Prevent the use of dollar assets by Axis countries to
finance propaganda, sabotage and other subversive

activities in the United States and other areas of
strategie importance to the United States.
e. Prevent aggressur countries from acquiring the many

billions of property in the United States belonging

to inveded areas and from otherwise utilising such
property. Instead the dollar assets of occupied coun-

tries are held in trust for their rightful owners.

At the same time, the rights of American claimants to
these
assets
are protected by preventing the dissipation
of
these
assets.
f.

Prevent Axis countries from acquiring legal title to

property in occupied countries by purchasing such
property from American owners with looted funds. Prevent Axis powers from liquidating in our markets
securities and other assets looted and otherwise acquired in invaded areas.
g. Prevent the sale of American-owned property in European
countries for payment out of blocked funds. If such
transactions were permitted, the funds that should be
held for the benefit of all American claimants on an
equable basis would be dissipated. It would also be
possible to accord preferential treatment to American
claimants in a manner advantageous to Axis interests.

h. Minimise or eliminate the liabilities and responsi-

bilities of American banks and other business institutions against the assertion of conflicting claims to
property arising out of the invasion and other
revolutionary change in the political and economic

life of foreign countries.

1. Prevent American firms from entering into, or executing,
contracts or other arrangements with Axis firms where
such contracts or arrangements interfere with or
prejudice defense production or ourtail the competitive
position of American firms against Axis firms in neutral
markets or otherwise prejudice the national defense.

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1. Control undesirable banking and business concerns in
the United States which are influenced or owned by Axis
or other unfriendly interests. Through the medium of

attaching conditions to the licensing of their banking

and business operations, the Treasury can mullify or
eliminate these influences and steer these concerns into more satisfactory channels. Am example of this is

the current effort to eliminate the German influence in

Starling Products and at the - time utilise the

Starling Products, to take away the Latin-American drug
market from German interests. This control over business interests also includes control of patents and
licensing and pooling arrangements of an undesirable
nature.

k. Regulate the trade and financial transactions with
neutral countries and stipulate conditions with respect
thereto which would insure that such trade would not

benefit the Axis, etc.
1. Regulate all transactions in the exchange of the Axis
and occupied countries in so far as they involve this
market, thus protesting American holders of such
exchange.

m. Provide the government with a complete and comprehensive

centras of every type of property within the United States
in which any foreign country or its nationals have any
type of interest, including precise data as to the

identity of the foreign interest, nature and location of
the property.

n. Obtain continuing reports from and about individuals
and business concerns with a view to being constantly
informed as to their activities, whether in an economic

or financial field or in the field of propaganda or
subversive activities. Some of the information thus

obtained will be of assistance to other agencies such
as FBI in the carrying out of their functions and
through this channel an agency such as FBI may be able

to obtain desired information without revealing its

hand.

0. Fertify the economic and financial position of friendly

countries by correlating our exchange and trade control
with theirs in order to prevent evasions and strengthen

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-4their operations in fields where they are impotent, and

by extending to them technical assistance and guidance
where necessary. Thus, we can provide China with GOB-

trol over all trade and financial transactions with the

United States even including control over occupied China
and international settlements. These operations can be

effected by this country alone or in conjunction with
other friendly countries.

2. office of Merchant Ship Control
The office of Merchant Ship Control exercises control
over the movement of vessels from parts in the United States

or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. No

departure by any vessel on voyages on which clearances by a
customs officer is required can take place unless authorised
by the Secretary of the Treasury.

The office of Merchant Ship Control is a part of the
Coast Guard and was established in June, 1940, under the
powers granted to the Secretary through the proclamation of
a national emergency by the President.
3. Other Powers Over Shipping

The Secretary of the Treasury is authorised in the
national emergency, subject to the approval of the President,
to make rules and regulations governing the anchorage and

movement of any vessel in the territorial waters of the
United States. If necessary in the Secretary's opinion to

secure a vessel from damage or to prevent damage to any harbor or waters of the United States, he may take possession
and control of such vessel. (Under this power, the German,
Italian and Danish shipe were seised by the Coast Guard.)

4. Additional Powers over Importe
The Treasury has a number of commercial policy powers

which it can use to influence the trade of other countries
with the United States. In its Customs administration of
the entry of commodities into the United States possibilities of action against "Axis" goods and "Axis" firms present
themselves. The Treasury is empowered to impose counter-

vailing duties on dutiable foreign goods which receive
bounties in manufacture or in export to the United States.
It has powers also to take corrective steps against foreign
dumping or discriminatory practices. All of these powers
can be used as weapons in economic defense.

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-3B. Economic Defense Functions in Whose Administration the Treasury
Participates

1. Preclaimed List of Certain Blocked Nationale.
Under the Proelanation of July 17, 1941, the Secretary
of the Treasury participates in the issuance of and additions and delations to the Proclaimed List of Blooked
Nationals. A representative of the Treasury Department
participates in passing on names to be added to or deleted
from such list.
Pursuant to the Proclamation all persons whose names

appear on such list become subject to the freesing orders
as though they were nationals of Germany or Italy and may
engage in transactions only pursuant to license issued by
the Secretary of the Treasury under the freesing orders.
This Department, in conjunction with the Department of
State, is also studying additional measures to remove listed

persons from all positions of influence in the social,
economic and political life of their respective communities.

2. Certifications as to who may Dispose of the Property of
Foreign States and Foreign Central Banks

Pursuant to the provisions of the Act of April 7, 1941,
amending the Federal Reserve Act, this Department assists

the Department of State in connection with the certification
as to who may dispose of property belonging to foreign states
and foreign central banks. Thus Dutch, Belgian and Norwegian
government and central bank funds in the United States may be

utilised by the friendly governments and officers of central
banks to further their war effort without regard to instrustions, etc. coming from the occupied area.

3. Purchases of Strategic and Critical Materials
The Treasury purchases strategic and critical materials
through the medium of the Treasury's Procurement Division
at the direction of the Secretary of War and the Secretary
of the Navy. The specifications of the materials purchased
are prepared by the Procurement Division and approved by
the Secretary of War and the Secretary of the Navy.

-6At times, this purchasing also has the effect of proclusive buying. For example, the Prosurement Division took
over a large quantity of Turkish chrome are which the
British had accured to keep from Germany but which they
could not use themselves. The Precurement Division, also,
does a large part of the purchasing under the Land-Lease
appropriations.

4. Control over Traffic in Arms
The Secretary of the Treasury is a member of the
National Munitions Control Board which supervisos and -

trols the manufacture of, and international traffic in, area,

ammunition, and implements of war. The Department of State
administers the licensing system. The Treasury's Coast Guard
and Customs Service cooperate in controlling the international

traffic in arms.

5. Export Control
The treasury's Coast Guard and Customer Service enforce

the licensing system for exports of the State Department
and Export Control.
6. Export-Import Bank
The Treasury is represented on the Board of Trustees.

7. Control over Importe
The New York Federal Reserve Bank certifies to the
Treasury (in practice in consultation with the Treasury)
the exchange rate of each country to be used for customs
valuation. When countries have multiple exchange rates this
function gives considerable scope for decisions which may

affect trade adversely or favorably.

8. Policing of American Waters
The Coast Guard is the Federal police charged with
enforcing Federal laws upon the water. It has the responsibility for enforcing all Federal Laws in the navigable waters
of the United States, on the high sean, and on board any
vessel subject to the juriodiction of the United States.

9/29/43

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October 8, 1941.

Dear Mr. Causey:

You have been very good indeed in making sug-

gestions in regard to the matter about which I
consulted you during the latter part of September.
I know that you will be pleased to hear that

Mr. Duffington is coming with us -- in fact, be is
already in Washington and getting acquainted with

the Treasury. He expects to try the work for a
couple of months, and I feel sure that the connection
will work out very well indeed.
with thanks again for your help in this matter,

and all good wishes,

Sincerely,

(Signed) R. Morgenthau, 38.

Mr. James H. Causey,
Cosmos Club,

Madison Place and H Street, N.V.,

Washington, D. C.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

98

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

October 8, 1941

Secretary's files
Mr. Kuhn

At the group meeting on October 6th the Secretary

said that it would be all right to use his signature
on telegrams to these officials, and that he did not
need to see the list. Each such telegram will be
approved by me before it is sent.

7.K.
Att: 2

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

99

WASHINGTON

October 3, 1941

DEFENSE SAVINGS STAFF

MEMORANDUM

TO:

Mr. Kuhn

FROM: Mr. Gilchrest

Gil

The Secretary requested that in the future whenever we
planned to broadcast any material of advantage to the Army,
Navy and Marine Corps, we inform them by telegram of the
occasion.

Attached herewith a list of the Army, Navy, and Marine
Corps people we believe should be sent wires. What additions
would you and the Secretary care to make in this list.

And another question. Don't you think these wires should
be signed with Mr. Morgenthau's name. There would be no necessity

of bothering the Secretary with this unless you think we should.
Please let me know what decision is made.

100
Army

Navy

The Honorable,

Henry L. Stimson,
Secretary of War.

Robert P. Patterson,
Under Secretary of War.
Gen. George C. Marshall,

The Honorable,
Frank Knox,

Secretary of the Navy.
The Honorable,

James V. Forrestal,
Under Secretary of the Navy.

Chief of Staff.

The Honorable,

Brig. Gen. F. H. Osborne,
Chief of Morale Branch,

Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

War Department.

The Honorable,
Artemus L. Gates,

Brig. Gen. A. D. Surles,
Director, Bureau of Public Relations,
War Department.

Maj. Gen. Allen W. Gullion,

Ralph A. Bard,

Assistant Secretary of the Navy.
Admiral Harold R. Stark,
Chief of Naval Operations,
Navy Department.

The Judge Advocate General,
War Department,

Maj. Gen. Edmund B. Gregory,
The Quartermaster General,
War Department,

Maj. Gen. Thomas Holcomb,
Commandant of the Marine Corps.

Adm. A. J. Hepburn,

Director of Public Relations.

Rear Admiral Chester W. limits,
Chief of the Bureau of Navigation.
Lt. Com. H. O'Flaherty,
Navy Department.

Maj. Geo. T. Vander Hoff,

Marine Corps.

Gen. Robert Denig,
Marine Corps.

CONFIDENTIAL

101
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Comparative Statement of Sales During
First Six Business Days of August, September, and October, 1941
(August 1-7. September 1-8, October 1-7)
On Basis of Issue Price

(Amounts in thousands of dollars)

:
:

:

:

Series F - Banks
Series G - Banks
Total

: September

September : August

$11,396
18,182

$11,487
17.722

$11,450
21,194

29,578
5,846
37,517

29,209
4,803
34,846

32,644
6,516
47,502

1,043
2,671

$72,941

$68,857

$86,661

$ 4,084

91

460

369

$

37

- 3,472
- 3,435
- 1,713
- 12,656

-$17,804

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

over

$ September
I

:

Series E - Total

:

Series E - Banks

I

Series E - Post Offices

:

:

:

August

over

October
:

$

:

September

over

Percentage of Increase
or Decrease (-)

:

:

: October

or Decrease (-)
October : September

:

:

Item

Amount of Increase

:

Sales

- 0.8%

ever
August
0.3%

2.6

- 16.4

1.3

- 10.5
- 26.3
- 26.6

21.7
7.7
5.9%

- 20.5%

October 8, 1941.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of
sales of United States Savings Bonds.

Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

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102
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS

Daily Sales - October 1941
On Basis of Issue Price

(In thousands of dollars)
Post Office

All Bond Sales

Bank Bond Sales

Bond Sales
Date

Series E

Series E

Series F

Series G

Total

Series I

Series F

Series a

Total

$ 1,450

$ 3,029

$ 1,286

$ 8,271

$ 4,479

$ 1,286

$ 8,271

$ 14,036

1,870
2,150
1,270

2,786
3,299
1,696

867

4,324
6,323
6,400

$ 12,587
7.977
10,687

867

8,707

4,656
5,449
2,966

4,324
6,323
6,400

9,847
12,837
9,978

3,449
1,207

4,778
2,595

1,444

15,508
6,080

8,226
3,802

1,444

572

9,286
2,913

572

9,286
2,913

18,956
7,257

$ 11,396

$ 18,182

$ 5,846

$ 37,517

$ 61,545

$ 29.578

$ 5,846

$ 37.517

$ 72,941

October 1941
1

2

3

4

6

7

Total

1,065
612

1,065
612

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, Division of Research and Statistics.

October 8, 1941.

Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of sales of
United States Savings Bonds.

Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals.

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October 8, 1941
MEMORANDUM

To: Members of Price Administration Committee
From: R. K. Thompson, Secretary

There are attached hereto the following:
1. Minutes of meeting held on October 2, 1941.
2. Price Schedule No. 29.
3. Price Schedule No. 30.
4. Revocation of Price Schedule No. 27.
5. Supplement to Price Schedule No. 16.
6. Amendment to Price Schedule No. 4.
7. Amendment to Price Schedule No. 13.
8. Price Schedule No. 31.
9. Reissue of Price Schedule No. 1.
10. Amendment of Price Schedule No. 4.

11. Extension of Price Schedule No. 14.
12. Price Schedule No. 32.
13. Amendment to Price Schedule No. 12.
14. Price Schedule No. 23.
15. Price Schedule No. 33.
16. Price Schedule No. 34.
17. Amendment to Price Schedule No. 11.

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CONFIDENTIAL

SUMMARY OF STENOGRAPHIC TRANSCRIPT

OF MEETING OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE

October 2, 1941
11:20 a.m.

PRESENT: Mr. Henderson, Chairman, Miss Elliott, Messrs.
Lubin, Ryder, Ayres, Nelson, O'Connell, Barnes,
Whitcomb, Shields, Bean, Goodloe, Greenwood,
Hosmer, Hamm, Ginsburg, Harris, Wallace, Summer,
Bruce, Thompson.

1. Zinc Situation
Reference was made to the discussion of the zinc situation had at
the meeting of the Committee on September 10, and Mr. Henderson stated that,

while we are further along on the crises in zinc, we are not much further
along on a clear idea of the action to be taken. He added that what brings
the matter to a hend is that the Eagle-Picher Company was planning to grant
a wage increase tomorrow but had now postponed it over the weekend. He

said it is an increase which they can absorb from their current rate of
production by curtailing the operation of their high cost or marginal
mines and if that is done two things will force R question on the other
mines as to the wage increase: first, the situation at the Eagle-Picher
Company, and, second, the prospect of their employees being drawn off by an

$8.00 a day wage rate that has been fixed for the new defense industries

that have been located in that territory. These other companies are not
able to meet the wage increase and to take care of the depletion out of
the current income.

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105

Mr. Hamm indicated there are two phases of the problem; that the

initial problem is the labor problem, and that even with an answer to that
problem, we still have a problem of price policy as to which of certain
alternatives we should follow in achieving the objective.
There ensued a lengthy discussion of the question whether, as
a result of the wage differential between $8.00 a day, now being received
by defense workers in the Tri-State area, and $5.50 a day, now being

received by workers in zinc mines, there is a drawing off of labor from
the zinc mines to the defense plants, and as to the responsibility of the

Office of Price Administration, the Labor Division of the Office of Production Management, and the War Department in this situation, but no
definite recommendations regarding action to be taken were offered.

Mr. Wallace then read to the meeting certain figures compiled

by him in connection with the purchase of all of the tri-state coneentrates by the Government at $55.00 a ton and its sale at $48.00 a ton,

and the resulting savings that would accrue by pursuing that line of
policy rather than paying the increased price just on Government purchases.
This procedure was discussed at length but no action was taken.

2. Relation between price administration and the administration of consumer rationing, if and when that becomes necessary to regularize markets
when maximum prices have been established.

Reference was then made to the item above listed which had been
suggested for discussion by Dr. Ezekiel, and Mr. Henderson suggested that

discussion of this item be deferred until a subsequent meeting at which

Miss Elliott, Mr. Weiner and Mr. Nelson will all be in attendance.

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3. Participation
by Interstate
Commerce Commission in meetings of the
Price
Administration
Committee.
Mr. Henderson stated that the Interstate Commerce Commission had

been invited to participate in meetings of the Price Administration Committee, and that Mr. Hoemer was present today representing that organization.
The meeting thereupon adjourned At 12:30 p.m.

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foundry or by-product blast furnace
coke, alone or in conjunction with any

other material, or by way of any commis-

sion, service, transportation, or other
charge, or discount, premium, or other

privilege, or by tying agreement or other
PART 1345-COKE
PRICE SCHEDULE NO. 29BY-PRODUCTFOUN-

DRY AND BY-PRODUCT BLAST FURNACE
COKE

By-product foundry and by-product
blast furnace coke are important elements in the manufacture of iron and
steel. Maximum prices have been estab-

lished for pig iron and iron and steel
scrap, other important elements of iron
and steel costs.

Prices of by-product foundry and byproduct blast furnace coke are now from

$1.00 to $1.25 per ton higher than a

trade understanding or otherwise.
1345.4 Records and reports. Every
person making purchases or sales of byproduct foundry or by-product blast furnace coke after October 1, 1941, shall
keep for inspection by the Office of Price
Administration for a period of not less
than one year, complete and accurate
records of (a) each such purchase or sale,

showing the date thereof, the and

or the the

or received, and the
of price address each paid
of thepurchased
buyer seller, name
or kind
grade
orquantity
sold,

and (b) the quantity (1) on hand, and
(2) on order, as of the close of each cal-

endar month.

Persons affected by this Schedule shall

year ago. A further upward movement

submit such reports to the Office of Price

the prices of iron and steel. The stabllization of present coke prices is important in the prevention of inflation.

time require.

of coke prices would exert pressure upon

After full investigation and confer-

Administration as It may from time to
1345.5 Enforcement. In the event

of refusal or failure to abide by the price
limitations, record requirements, or other

ences with representatives of the coke in-

provisions of this Schedule, or in the

dustry. it has been determined that the

event of any evasion or attempt to evade

establishment of maximum prices for by-

product foundry and blast furnace coke
is essential and is in the interest of national defense and the public welfare.

Accordingly, under the authority

vested in me by Executive Order 8734,
it is hereby directed that:
1345.1 Maximum prices for by-prod-

uct foundry and by-product blast fur-

ace coke On and after October 1, 1941,

regardless of the terms of any contract
of sale or purchase, or other commitment,

no person shall sell, offer to sell, deliver
or transfer. by-product foundry or byproduct blast furnace coke and no person
shall buy, offer to buy. or accept delivery

of by-product foundry or by-product
blast furnace coke at prices higher than

the maximum prices set forth in Appendices A and B. incorporated herein
as 11 1345.9 and 1345.10 respectively.

$4345.1 to 1345.10. inclusive, issued pur-

suant to the authority contained in Exec-

utive Order 8734.

1345.2 Less than maximum prices.
Lower prices than those set forth in Appendices A and B may be charged. demanded, paid or offered.

1345.3 Evasion. The price limita-

tions set forth in this Schedule shall not
be evaded either by direct or indirect
methods in connection with a purchase,
sale, delivery or transfer of by-product
P.R. 1917.

the price limitations or other provisions

of this Schedule, the Office of Price Ad-

ministration will make every effort to
assure (a) that the Congress and the
public are fully informed thereof, and
(b) that the powers of the Government
are fully exerted in order to protect the
public interest and Interests of those per-

sons who comply with this Schedule.

Persons who have evidence of any offer,

receipt, demand or payment of prices
higher than the maximum prices, or of
any evasion or effort to evade the provisions hereof, or of speculation, or manipulation of prices of by-product foundry
or by-product blast furnace coke, or of
the hoarding or accumulating of unnecessary Inventories thereof, are urged to
communicate with the Office of Price
Administration.
8 1345.6 Modification of the schedule.
Persons complaining of hardship or inequity in the operation of this Schedule
may apply to the Office of Price Administration for approval of any modification
thereof or exception therefrom.

1345.7 Definition. When used in

this Schedule, the term "person" means

an individual, partnership. association,
corporation or other business entity.
I 1345.8 Effective date of the schedule.

This Schedule shall become effective
October 1941.
1345.9 Appendix A, Maximum prices
for by-product foundry coke per net ton
(2,000 lbs.)-(a) General provision. The
maximum delivered price for by-product
foundry coke shall be the price F. O. B.
cars at the governing oven plant, plus
rail transportation and switching charges
from that oven plant to the place of delivery. The term "governing oven plant"

means that oven plant, the price at
which, together with transportation

charges, results in the lowest price at the
place of delivery.
Location of oven plant:

b. oven plant in cars
(per net for)

Alabama

Chicago, Illinois

Ashland Kentucky

Detroit, Michigan

Kearny New Jersey
Buffalo, New York

Ironton, Ohio

Painesville, Ohio
Portamouth Ohio
Eric. Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Chattanoogs Tennessee

Pairmont, West Virginia

Milwaukee, Wisconsin

$8.50
11.50
10.00
11.75
12.15
11.75
10.00
11.25
10.00
11.75
11.75
9.00
10.00
12.25

(b) Exceptions-(1) New England

area. The maximum delivered price in
the states of Connecticut, Rhode Island,
Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and in the adjoining areas

of New York State which have customarily been included within the New England
shipping area, shall be $13.75 per net ton,

less $0.15 per net ton discount for cash
ten days.

(2) The maximum delivered prices
within the following switching districts
are:

Delivered
District

Chicago, Illinois

St Louis. Mo. & East St. Louis, III,
Indianapolis Indiana
Terre Haute. Indiana
Detroit, Michigan
Buffalo, New York

Cincinnati, Ohio

Cleveland, Ohio
Eric, Pennsylvania
Philadelphia Pennsylvania

price
$12.25
12.02
12.00
12.00
12.25
12.50
11.75

12.30
12.25
12.38

St. Paul and Minneapolis Minnesota. 14.00

(3) Exception for certain existing relationships. Whenever shipment is made
from an oven plant other than the governing oven plant and the seller customarily during the six months preceding
September 15, 1941, has received from a

purchaser a price in excess of the maxi-

mum delivered price otherwise established by this Schedule, such higher price

may continue to be charged such purchaser. Each person using this exception (3) shall file with the Office of Price
Administration on or before September
27. 1941, a list of purchasers to whom
this exception (3) applies and all prices
received from such customer during such

period. Sales or shipments to customers

may not be made under this exception
(3) after October 1. 1941, without the

filing of such list of purchasers and

or the price provided in this exception
(5), whichever is lower, except when exceptions (1), (2). (3) or (4) are applicable the prices provided in such exceptions may be charged.

When the railroad freight rate for byproduct foundry coke from Swedeland,
Pennsylvania to the place of delivery, including switching charges, is:
The maximum price

Freight rate per net ton per net ton shall be

$0.68 and less

plant price at such oven plants plus

sylvania Whenever shipment is from

Swedeland, Pennsylvania, the maximum

delivered price shall be the price provided in paragraph (a) of this Appendix

12.80

12.95

10.35

$10.00 per net ton, f. O. b. oven plant.

(6) Delivery other than by railroad.
When delivery is by means other than
railroad, the maximum delivered price
shall be the price as computed in this
Appendix but adjusted to provide the customary differential or charge in effect on
September 18, 1941, for such means of
delivery."

1345.10 Appendix B. mazimum
prices for by-product blast furnace coke
per net ton (2,000 lbs.) The maximum
price f. O. b. oven plant on by-product
blast furnace coke which may be charged
by any person at each oven plant, shall
be $0.75 per net ton above the weighted
average price f. O. b. oven plant of such
coke delivered by such person from each

oven plant during the first quarter of
1941; Provided, That this Appendix B
shall not apply to sales or shipments

made after the issuance of this Schedule
at less than $6.00 per net ton f. o. b. oven

plant. The weighted average price

means the average of the prices for which

such coke was sold during such period
weighted by the tons of such coke sold at
each price.

Every person who produces and sells
by-product furnace coke shall file prices
at which such coke was delivered, and
the quantity delivered at each price during the first quarter of 1941. Such information shall be filed with the Office of
Price Administration Washington, D. C.
on or before September 27, 1941.
Issued this 18th day of September 1941.
LEON HENDERSON

Administrator
(P. R Doc 41-7007; Filed September 8,1941;
4:26 p. m.)

oven plant may be Chicago, Illinois:

transportation charges.
(5) Shipments from Swedeland, Penn-

12.70

F. o. b. oven plant. except that on deliveries to be made in the Cumberland Valley
and Central Pennsylvania, the price shall be

Oregon and Washington the governing

Provided, That, when shipment is from
the oven plants listed in paragraph (a)
of this Appendix. the maximum delivered
price may not exceed the F. O. B. oven

12.40
12.45

$2.86 and over
1 Delivered

prices.

(4) Shipments to West Coast. On
shipments to the states of California,

$12.38

$0.69 to $0.96 inclusive
$0.97 to $1.66 inclusive
$1.67 to $2.24 inclusive
$2.25 to $2.50 inclusive
$2.51 to $2.85 inclusive

GOVERNMENT

PRINTING

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Office of Price Administration
For Saturday A.M.'s
September 20, 1941

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Acting to stabilize a seriously disturbed price situation, Leon Henderson, administrator, Office of Price Administration, today fixed maximum prices for all
grades of waste paper sold in the area east of the Rocky Mountains.
The maximum prices, set forth in Price Schedule No. 30, become effective October 1, 1941, and were determined uvon after an exhaustive investigation and after
nunerous conferences with representatives of all brenches of the trade. They are in

line with the prices prevailing on June 16, 1941.
The prices established in the schedule, Mr. Henderson emphasized, are the maxi-

mun prices that consuming mills can pay their shippers at point of shipment. Prices
to be paid by wholesalers, brokers and dealers should be below these maximum prices.
Mr. Henderson explained that maximum prices are not being established in the
aren west of the Rocky Mountains because investigation has shown that at the present

time no inflationary price rise is threatened in that area.
Since the effective date of the schedule is October 1, ámple time is being
given for the completion of existing contracts and the liquidation of inventory.
For this reason, no provision was included to permit completion of contracts after
October 1 at prices higher then those set forth in the schedule.
The defense effort has placed an increasing burden upon the country's waste
paper supply-a burden made greater because the war has shut off the channels of
trade through which wood pulp was imported. Waste paper is a basic raw material in
the manufacture of containers for many types of civilian goods and war materials.

It is anticipated that the supply situation will be relieved shorthly by the
national waste paper conservation program and by the usual seasonal pick-up in collections during the fall months.
For several months, OPA has attempted, through individual voluntary price agree
ments, to prevent unwarranted price increases. These voluntary agreements will con-

tinue in force until the effective date of the schedule
"The responsible dealers and mills have evidenced an admirable willingness to
cooperate," Mr. Henderson said. "This patriotic segment of the industry, however,
has been unable to keep prices within those established by the agreements because of
the large numbers of operators who have put high prices before national welfare, and
have therefore attempted in every way and by every subterfuge to circunvent the
price agreements."

The maximum prices per short ton established for all grades of waste paper
f.o.b. point of shipment to mill, whether loaded on car, truck or other means of
conveyance.

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are as follows:
No. 1 Mixed Paper
Super-Mixed Paper
No. 1 Baled News
Overissue News

Old Corrugated Containers
Old Kraft Corrugated Containers
New Corrugated Cuttings
Box Board Cuttings
White Blank News

Extra Manilas
New Manila Envelope Cuttings
No. 1 Hard White Shavings
Hard White Envelope Cuttings
No. 1 Soft White Shavings
Fly Leaf Shavings
No. 1 Heavy Books and Magazinee

Mixed Books

Overissue Magazines

No. 1 Mixed or Colored Ledger
No. 1. White Bedger

No. 1 Assorted Kraft (01d Kraft)
New 100% Kraft Cuttings
New 100% Kraft Corrugated Cuttings

$13.00
14.00
15.00
17.00
16.00
27.00
18.00
14.50
33.00
37.00
54.00
50.00
60.00
43.00
33.50
31.50
20.50
33.50
38.50
42.50
30.00
52.00
49.00

The highest qualities of the above-listed grades are defined in the schedule
copy of which is attached.
The maximum prices take into account the baling and other costs borne by the
waste paper producer, and no differentials or service charges may be added, Lower
prices than those set forth in the schedule may be charged, demanded, paid or
offered.

While the schedule purports to cover all grades of waste paper sold east of
Rocky Mountains, Mr. Henderson explained that in the event any claim is made that
grade has been omitted, OPA would accept an affidavit setting forth all relative
data concerning the alleged omission from the person or persone making such a claim
The omission, if any, would be corrected if investigation showed that such action
was justified.
Text of the schedule is attached.

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CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

109

Part 1347 - Paper and Paper Products
Price Schedule No. 30 - Waste Paper Sold East of the Rocky Mountains

The Office of Price Administration, being charged with the maintenance of price
stability and the prevention of undue price rises and economic dislocations, has determined after an exhaustive investigation and after numerous conferences with repre
sentatives of all branches of the trade, that the establishment of maximum prices
for wastepaper is essential in order to accomplish these purposes and is in the
interest of national defense and national welfare, and that the maximum prices set
forth herein are fair and reasonable.
The defense effort has placed an increasing burden upon the wastepaper supply
since it is a basic raw material in the manufacture of containers for food and manufactured products. Additional demands upon the wastepaper supply are made by manu-

facturers of almost all types of paper, the channels of trade through which wood
pulp was imported having been shut off by the war. Inflationary price rises threaten, and immediate action to prevent disastrous price spiraling is essential.
For several months this Office has attempted to prevent unwarranted price increases through the medium of individual voluntary price agreements. The more responsible dealers and mills have evidenced a willingness to cooperate. This segment
of the industry has been unable to keep prices within those established by the agre
ments, however, because of certain operators who have put high prices before nation.
al welfare, and have attempted to circumvent the price agreements.
This schedule is at present limited to sales and purchases of wastepaper East
of the Rocky Mountains, since no inflationary price increases threaten the West

Coast area,

Accordingly, under the authority vested in me by Executive Order No. 8734, it
is hereby directed that:
1347.1, Maximum Prices for Waste Paper. On and after October 1, 1941, regardless of the terms of any contract of sale or purchase or other commitment, in the

area East of the Rocky Mountains no person shall sell, offer to sell, deliver or
transfer any grade of waste paper, and no person shall buy, offer to buy, or accept

delivery of any grade of waste paper at prices higher than the maximum prices set
forth in Appendix A hereof, incorporated herein as Section 1347.10.*
Sections 1347.1 to 1347.10, inclusive, issued pursuant to the
authority contained in Executive Order No. 8734.
1347.2 Less than Maximum Prices - Lower prices than those set forth in Append:
A may, however, be charged, demanded, paid or offered.*

1347.3 Evasion - The price limitations set forth in this Schedule shall not be

evaded by direct or indirect methods in connection with a purchase, sale, delivery,

or transfer of waste alone or in conjunction with any other material, or by

any or other charge, or discount, premiu

way or other of commission, paper, service, transportation
wise.*

privilege, or by tying-agreement or other trade understanding, or other-

1347.4 Records - Every person making purchases or sales aggregating ten short

byand
the
for
a
of
not
less
than
one
accurate of or sale of waste paper made

tons or more of any or all grades of waste in any one month shall keep for
year, inspection complete Office of Price records Administration each paper purchase period

month and each month the date thereof, the name of
ofsuch
theseller,
theprices
or thereafter,
received,
and the quantity and grade
or during ;heor
buyer
paid showing
grades so purchased or sold. Such records shall set forth separately the f.o.b.
point of shipment price and the transportation charge.*

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1347.5 Affirmation of Compliance - All persons who are required by Section
1347.4 to keep records, shall transmit, on or before November 10, 1941, and on or
before the tenth day of each month thereafter, an affirmation of compliance

130:1
a
sworn
statement
the
containing
that
during
the
in
month
for
which
record
on is Form
kept all purchases and sales were made at prices compliance with this Schedule

or
or
modification
can
from the Office of Price or, no in

with any exception Administration thereof. provided Copies of change Form 130:1 is made be the procured

it and
that it is on 8"
X paper,
may be style by
and
content
of
reproduced
104"
prepared
persons required to submit affirmation of compliance hereunder.*
1347.7 Enforcement - In the event of refusal or failure to abide by the
price limitations, record requirements, or other provisions contained in this Schedule, the Office of Price Administration will make every effort to assure (a) that
the Congress and the public are fully informed thereof, (b) that the powers of
Government, both state and federal, are fully exerted in order to protect the public
interest and the interests of those persons who comply with this Schedule, (c) that
full advantage will be taken of the cooperation of the various political subdivisions of state, county, and local governments through calling to the attention of
the proper authorities failures to comply with this Schedule which may be regarded
as grounds for the revocation of licenses and permits; and (d) that the procurement services of the Government are requested to refrain from selling to or purchasing from those persons who fail to comply with this Schedule. Persons who have
evidence of the offer, receipt, demand or payment of prices higher than the maxinum prices, or of any evasion or effort to evade the provisions hereof, or of speculation or manipulation of prices of any or all of the grades of waste paper or of
the hoarding or accumulation of unnecessary inventories thereof, are urged and requested to communicate with the Office of Price Adninistration.*
1347.7 Modification of the Price Schedule - Persons complaining of hardship
or inequity in the operation of this Schedulo may apply to the Office of Price
didnistration for approval of any modification thereof or exception therefron.
1347.8 Definitions - When used in this Schedule, or any modifications or exoptions thereto, the term

(a) "Person" includes an individual, partnership, association,
corporation, or other business entity.
(b) "Wastepaper" includes all kinds, and grades and types of wastecaper.

(c) "Consumer" means a purchaser, for its own consumption, of waste-

aper, i.e. paper nill, paperboard mill, roofing mill, etc.

(d) "Producer" means any person who produces, collects, sorts, packs,
fers for sale, sells, or exchanges any wastepaper.*
1347.9 Effective Date - This Schedule shall become effective on October 1,

1941.

1347.10 Appendix A
MAXIMUM PRICES FOR WASTE PAPER

All prices given below are per short ton,
f.o.b. point of shipment 1/
GRADES

MAXIMUM PRICES 2/

No. 1 Mixed Paper 3
Super-Mixed Paper 4
No. 1 Baled News 5
Overissue News 6

Old Corrugated Containers 7

Old Kraft Corrugated Containers 8/

New Corrugated Cuttings 9

$13.00
14.00
15.00
17.00
16.50
27.00
18.00

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Box Board Cuttings 10
White Blank News 11
Extra Manilas 10
New Manila Envelope Cuttings 13
No. 1 Hard White Shavings 14
Hard White Envelope Cuttings 15
No. 1 Soft White Shavings 16
Fly Leave Shavings 17/
No. 1 Heavy Books and Magazines 18
Mixed Books 19/
Overissue Magazines 20/

No. 1 Mixed Ledger (Colored Ledger) 21
No. 1 White Ledger 22/

No. 1 Assorted Kraft (01d Kraft) 23
New 100% Kraft Cuttings 24/
New 100% Kraft Corrugated Cuttings 25

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14.60
33.00
37.00
54.00
50.00
60.00
43.00
33.50
31.50
20.50
33.50
38.50
42.50
30.00
52.00
49.00

All prices established by this Schedule shall be for waste paper loaded on
freight cars, trucks or other means of conveyance at the point of shipment. The
point of shipment is the point from which the waste paper is to be shipped to the

consumer.

2/ All prices isted represent the maximum prices for the respective grades of
waste paper, the highest qualities of which are definedia the footnotes below,
Other qualities of waste paper of the grades defined mist be sold at or below the
maximum prices established.

The prices established in this Schedule are the maximum prices to be charged

paid, and no differentials or service charges are to be added, In the event that
hardship will be inflicted on any person by virtue of the removal of differentials
that were in effect prior to January 1, 1941. application for exception should be

made in accordance with Section 1347.7 hereof.

3/ "No. 1 Mixed Paper" shall consist of clean dry waste paper, free from objection
able papers and foreign materials; and packed in large machine compressed bales

weighing 650 pounds or more.

4/ "Super-Mixed Paper" shall consist of No. 1 mixed paper which has been screened
and dusted, and is composed of hard, bright stock. The process of screening and
dusting shall be performed mechanically by a "tumbler" or similar device. Must be
packed in large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

5 "No. 1 Baled News" shall consist of clean, dry, sorted and repacked newspapers
free from foreign materials, objectionable and mixed papers and packed in large
machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

6 "Overissue News" shall consist of all-white, large size, over-run newspapers
from a newspaper office (not over 60 days old) and may be packed in securely tied
bundles, small or large bales.
7/ "Old Currugated Containers" shall consist of used corrugated or solid fibre CO2
tainers free from foreign materials, mixed and objectionable papers and packed in
large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

8/ "Old Kraft Corrugated Containers" shall consist of used containers of 90% to
100% kraft content, clean and dry, free from foreign materials, objectionable and
mixed paper and packed in large machine compreased bales weighing 650 pounds or

more. If kraft content is less than 90% the packing shall be designated "Old
Corrugated Containers".

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9/ "New Corrugated Cuttings" shall consist of new corrugated cuttings of jute and
kraft from a corrugating plant, or solid fibre or corrugating container converting
plant, and shall be free from foreign materials, mixed and objectionable papers.
May be packed in small or large bales.

10/ "Boxboard Cuttings" shall consist of clean, dry cuttings from paperboard convert
ing plants or other users of paperboard, free from objectionable and mixed papers
and
foreign materials, packed in large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds
or
more.

11/ "White Blank News" shall consist of clean, dry, and white news cuttings or

sheets, free from mixed and objectionable papers and foreign materials, and packed
in large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

12/ "Extra Manilas" shall consist of clean, dry, unprinted manila paper of uniform
natural manila color, free from yellow news blanks, paper towels, canary colored
blanks, goldenrod and bogus stock, as well as mixed and objectionable papers and
foreign
or
more. materials, and packed in large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds

13/ "New Manila Envelope Cuttings" shall consist of clean, dry. new manila cuttings
or sheets from envelope factories, free from printed stock of any kind, mixed or
objectionable papers and foreign materials, and may be packed in small or large
bales.
14/ "No. 1 Hard White Shavings" shall consist of clean, dry, bond or writing paper
shavings, free from colors and tints, perchment and groundwood, and from mixed
or objectionable papers and foreign materials. Must be packed in large machine
compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

15/ "Hard White Envelope Cuttings" shall consist of clean, dry, bond or writing

paner shavings, free from all colors and tints, parchment and groundwood and from
mized or objectiorable papers and foreign materials. May be packed in small or
large bales or in securely tied packages.

16/ "No. 1 Soft White Shavings" shall consist of clean, dry, unprinted, all-white
bookpeper shavings, free from all colors and tints, parchment, and groundwood as
well as mixed and objectionable papers, and foreign materials, and containing not
more than 20% coated white paper stock, Must be packed in large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

17/ "Fly Leaf Shavings" shall consist of the trim of books containing some printed
material, free from groundwood, mixed and objectionable papers and foreign materials
Must be packed in large machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.
18! "No. 1 Heavy Books and Magazines" shall consist of dry, clean books and magazine
costaining not over 2 percent growingood papers and 2 percent packing outthrow

(including outside wrapors, wrapping wires and twine), entirely free from shavings
and crumpled stock, heavily-ink deeply-colored, gilt, aluminum and varnished
cover stock, lithographed, parchment, groundwood, rotogravure and cover papers, as
well as mixed and objectionable papers and foreign materials. Must be packed in
large machine compressed Sales weighing 650 pounds or more.

19 "Mixed Books" shall consist of dry, clean books and magazines containing not
over and 25 percent total outthrow, including kraft, groundwood and outside packing,
shall be free from mixed and objectionable papers and foreign materials. May
be packed in small or large bales.

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20 "Overissue Magazines" shall consist of clean, dry. fresh, overrun and misprint
unsold magazines and books. May be packed in small or large rales or securely tied
packages.

21/ "No. 1 Mixed Ledger (Colored Ledger)" shall consist of white and light-colored

ledger and writing waste containing not more than 2 percent groundwood papers and 2
percent packing outthrow, free from mixed and objectionable papers, and foreign materials. Must be packed in large machine compressed balet weighing 650 pounds or
more.

22/ "No. 1 White Ledger" shall consist of white ledger and writing waste containing
not more than 2 percent groundwood papers and 2 percent packing outthrow, free from
mixed and objectionable papers and foreign materials. Must be packed in large
machine compressed bales weighing 650 pounds or more.

23 "No. 1 Assorted Kraft (01d Kraft)" shall consist of brown kraft waste free from
corrugated waste of any kind, mixed and objectionable papers and foreign materials.
Must be packed in large machine compressed balesweighing 650 pounds or more.

24 "New 100% Kraft Cuttings" shall consist of 100 percent kraft trimmings, cutting
or shavings from strictly new kraft paper stock, and must be free of fibre papers,
screening pulp and colored paper of any kind, objectionable and mixed papers and
foreign materials. May be packed in small or large bales.

25 "New 100% Kraft Corrugated Cuttings" shall consist of cuttings, trimmings or
shavings from new 100 percent kraft corrugated stock, and must be free of fibre
papers, screening pulp. and colored paper of any kind, objectionable and mixed pape:
and foreign materials. Must be packed in small or large bales.
When used in these definitions:

"Objectionable papers" include carbon, waxed, parafined, oil-treated, greased,
glazed, parchment, asphalt, tar, wall, friction board, book-covers, cloth-bound,
heavy cores, tympan, pressboard, used billboard stock, paper-wrapped excelsior, felt
furniture pads, paper twine, uncut printers' rolls, and paper strings: and
"Foreign materials" include every non-paper substance that cannot be manufact-

ured into paper, including, but in no way limiting the generality of the above:
cellophane, rags, rubbers, strings, vulcanized fibre, metals, and rubbish of all
kinds.*

Issued this 18th day of September, 1941.

(Sgd. )Leon Henderson
Leon Henderson

Administrator

CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL

(Sed) John E. Hamm

John E. Hamm, Deputy Administrator

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OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

For Immediate Relence
September 20, 1941

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Text of the formal order revoking the anthracite coal price schedule
follows:

Part 1340 - Fuel

Price Schedule No. 27 - Anthracite
Order of Revocation

A Price Schedule fixing maximum prices for anthracite coal f.c.b. mine
was issued September 11, 1941, because the necessary date to justify a proposed increase to take effect on September 15, 1941, had not been presented

to the Office of Price Administration. The information previously withheld
has now been submitted.

Accordingly, under the authority vested in me by Executive Order 8734,

it is directed that:
1340.71 to 1340.79, inclusive, Price Schedule No. 27, is hereby revoked.
Issued this 18th day of September, 1941.

This order of revocation is effective September 18, 1941.

(Sed.) Leon Henderson
Leon Honderson

Administrator

Certified to be a True Copy of the Original
(Sgd.) John E. Hamn,
John E. Hams,

Deputy Administrator

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Office of Price Administration
For Release A.M.
September 20, 1941

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Permission to liquidate futures contracts was today granted to
persons who established their long or short positions prior to August 14,
1941, the date on which the raw sugar price schedule became effective,
in a supplement to the schedule issued by Leon Henderson, administrator,

Office of Price Administration. This action also validates liquidation
of such contracts which has already occurred.

One of the effects of this supplement will be to enable such holders
of September futures contracts to make or take delivery of actual sugar

without violating the schedule. The exception also applies to contracts

for other delivery months entered into prior to August 14. This will
give holders of futures contracts the same opportunity to deliver or
take sugar at prices above the ceiling price, where their position was
established before the effective date of the schedule, that was extended
to persons who entered into forward delivery contracts for actual sugar

prior to the effective date of the schedule.

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TITLE 32 - NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Part 1334 - Sugar
Supplement to Price Schedule No. 16 - Raw Cane Sugars

1334.11 Provision for liquidation of futures positions
established prior to August 14, 1941. Liquidation of a position or
positions, long or short, established prior to August 14, 1941, in No.
3 contract on the New York Coffee and Sugar Exchange, Inc., which has

been or which shall be made, is hereby excepted from the operation of
the provisions of Price Schodule No. 16.
(Executive Order No. 8734)

Issued this 19th day of September, 1941

Leon Henderson

Administrator

Certified to be a true copy of the original

John E. Hamm

Deputy Administrator

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For Tuesday AM's
September 23, 1941

Amendments to bring about a parity among consumers who purchase iron and

steel scrap in the Cincinnati market and to create an incentive for the sale
of scrap rail and re-rolling rail by mines and logging roads have been made
to the iron and steel scrap schedule, the Office of Price Administration
announced today.

The first change provides a shipping point price within the Cincinnati
basing point of 80 cents a ton below the basing point price for all grades of
scrap excepting six casting grades. This revision WAS made because of the

great variation in switching charges within the Cincinnati basing point. It
does not detract from the advantages obtained by local steel mills from the
previous amendment establishing Cincinnati as a basing point, but does remove

certain inequalities that resulted to those consumers with plants outside the
basing point who have historically purchased acrap in the Cincinnati market.
The other revision provides an attractive price at which mines and logging

camps can sell scrap rail and rails for re-rolling. It is stipulated that the
maximum shipping point prices for this type of scrap shall be the ceiling
prices set in the schedule, (which apply specifically to scrap of railroad
origin), "except that the maximum shipping point price need in no case be
less than $13.50 per gross ton for scrap rail and $15.00 per gross ton for

rails for ro-rolling." In addition, the formalities generally required from
railroads upon the sale of scrap rail or re-rolling rail are eliminated when
the seller is a mine or logging road.
Text of the amendments is attached.

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CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Part 1312 - Lumber and Lumber Products
Amendment to Price Schedule No. 13 - Douglas Fir Peeler Logs
and Douglas Fir Plywood

$1312.2 of Price Schedule No. 13 is hereby amended to read
as follows:

1312.2 Maximum Prices Established for Douglas Fir Peeler Logs.
From September 24, 1941 until October 24, 1941. regardless of the terms
of any contract of sale or purchase or other commitment, no sale or

delivery, or offer of sale or delivery, of Douglas fir peeler logs shall

be made to manufacturers of Douglas fir plywood at a price in excess of

that received by the seller for a sale or delivery of Douglas fir peeler

logs of the same grade and quality from January 1, 1941 to August 1, 1941

inclusive. In the event that no sale or delivery of the same grade or

quality was made by such seller during such period, the maximum price

shall be the market price for the same grade and quality in the district
on August 1, 1941. In the event that a manufacturer of plywood has paid

a certain price, within this ceiling, to one of his log suppliers, nothing

herein shall prevent such manufacturer and any other log supplier from
consummating a sale between them of logs of the same grade and quality in

the same district at this price. The word "district" shall mean the disdrict as commonly recognized on August 1, 1941.

*Issued pursuant to the authority contained in Executive Order
No. 8734.

Issued this 24th day of September, 1941.
Effective September 24, 1941.

Leon Henderson

Administrator
CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL

John E. Hamm, Deputy Administrator

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PART 1335- CHEMICALS

PRICE SCHEDULE NO. 1-ACETIC ACID

a direct consequence of expanded

nomic activity induced by the naent defense program the demand for
etic acid has risen sharply in the past
APR 3865.

certant products such as rayon yarn,
plastics, transparent wrapping ma-

tale lacquers. varnishes and white
4 The prices of all acetate solvents

based primarily upon the price of

u acid.

Ayathetic production of acetic acid ac-

unta for the bulk of acetic acid conned by this country. Most of the reunder, commonly referred to as "nat-

al acetic acid". is produced by wood
cillation at a cost often in excess of

cost of synthetic production. The
car price of synthetic glacial acetic
Id in the third quarter of 1941 was apeximately 20% higher than in the sec-

d quarter. A further increase to 6 1/2
ats per pound has recently been an-

unced for the fourth quarter. The
nk car price of natural acetic acid in
ms of 100% acid content has increased

recent months from 5 cents to 7 1/2

his per pound and higher. Prices of
her grades of acetic acid generally re-

ct the tank car prices for synthetic
cial and natural acetic acid in terms
100% acid content and have increased
respondingly.

The Office of Price Administration has

inferred with producers of both synHit acetic acid and natural acetic acid.

justifiable reasons have been adneed for increasing the prices of synetic acetic acid and natural acetic acid

yond 6% cents and 71/4 cents per

und respectively for tank cars. Inbases in such prices would, therefore,

inflationary in character. Such initionary movements in the prices of

material, or by way of any commission,
service, transportation, or other charge,
or discount, premium, or other privilege,
or by tying-agreement or other trade understanding, or otherwise.
1335.204 Records and reports. Every
person making any purchase or sale of
acetic acid in quantities of 3,000 pounds
or more shall keep for Inspection by the
Office of Price Administration for a period of not less than one year, complete
and accurate records of each such purchase or sale, showing the date thereof.
the name and address of the buyer or the
seller, the prices paid or received, and
the specifications and quantity includ-

ing the size of the containers, of the
acetic acid purchased or sold.
Persons affected by this Schedule shall

submit such reports to the Office of Price

Administration as it may from time to
time, require.
I 1335.205 Affirmations of compliance.
On or before October 10. 1941, and on or
before the 10th day of each month thereafter, every person who, during the preceding calendar month, has made any
sale of acetic acid in quantities of 3,000
pounds or more, whether for immediate

or future delivery. shall submit to the

Office of Price Administration, an affirmation of compliance on Form 131.1
containing a sworn statement that during
such month all such sales were made at
prices in compliance with this Schedule
or with any exception or modification
thereof. Copies of Form 131.1 can be
procured from the Office of Price Administration, or, provided that no change
is made in the style and content of the

sic chemicals would tend to weaken the

8 x 10 1/2' paper, they may be prepared

by persons required to submit affirmations of compliance hereunder.

Accordingly. under the authority vested

me by Executive Order No. 8734, it
hereby directed that:

1335.201 Maximum prices for acetic
dd. On and after September 29. 1941,
cardless of the terms of any contract of

or purchase, or other commitment,
person shall sell, offer to sell, deliver

transfer. acetic acid in quantities of
00 pounds or more, and no person
all buy. offer to buy, or accept delivery

acetic acid in quantities of 3,000
funds or more from any person, at
los higher than the maximum prices

forth in Appendix A. incorporated

rein as 1335.210.*

H 1335.201 to 1335.210. inclusive issued

the authority contained in Execu-

Order No 8734 6 P.R. 1917.

1335.202 Less than maximum prices.
wer prices than those set forth in Ap-

Indix
A may be charged, demanded,
id. or offered.

1335.203 Evasion. The price limtions set forth in this Schedule shall
be evaded whether by direct or Indi-

methods in connection with a purthase sale, delivery, or transfer, of acetic

acid, or in connection with a purchase,

sale, delivery or transfer, of any other

1335.208 Definitions. When used in

this Schedule, the term:

(a) "Person" means an individual,
partnership, association, corporation, or
other business entity.

(b) "Acetic acid" means the various
grades of acetic acid listed in Appendix A

hereof.*

I 1335.209 Effective date of the sched-

ute. This Schedule shall become effec-

tive September 29, 1941.

1335.210 Appendix A, maximum
prices for acetic acid- (a) Acetic acid
in tank cars. The following maximum
prices are established for glacial acetic
acid (99.5% or over). and for weaker
acetic acid of commercial grade in terms
of 100% acid content:

Per hundred pounds

delivered

Other origin

Freight in excess et 32 cents per hundred

pounds may be charged to buyer

(b) Acetic acid in containers, carload

lots. (1) The following maximum prices,

f. o. b. producers' shipping points, are
established for concentrations of technical and pure acetic acid, of any origin

for carload quantities, in barrels or
drums:
Per

and the public are fully informed thereof,

(b) that the powers of the Government
are fully exerted in order to protect the
public interest and the interests of those
persons who comply with this Schedule.
and (c) that the procurement services of
the Government are requested to refrain
from purchasing acetic acid from those

persons who fall to conform to this
Schedule. Persons who have evidence

of the offer, receipt, demand or payment

of prices higher than the maximum

or inequity in the operation of this

6.19
6.91

7.20

Glacial

8.45

Pure:

4.23

30 percent
36 percent

4.61

60 percent

7.17

80 percent

8.70
10.25

United States Pharmacopoels
Chemically Pure

13.50

Specifically designated percentages include

all approximations thereof.

(2) Maximum prices. for carload
quantities, in carboys and cases, are de-

termined by adding a differential of 50
cents per hundred lbs. to the maximum
prices established in subparagraph (1) of
this paragraph (b).

(c) Acetic acid in containers, less
carload lots. Maximum prices, for less
than carload quantities, in the containers
listed below. are determined by adding
the following differentials to the maxi
mum prices established in subparagraph
1 of paragraph (b) hereof.

hundred

pounds

prices, or of any evasion or effort to evade

the provisions hereof, or of speculation.
or manipulation of prices of acetic acid
or of the hoarding or accumulating of
unnecessary Inventories thereof. are
urged to communicate with the Office of
Price Administration.
I 1335.207 Modification of the schedule. Persons complaining of hardship

$3.18
8.18

28 percent
56 percent
70 percent
80 percent
84 percent

I 1335.206 Enforcement In the

Price Administration will make every
effort to assure (a) that the Congress

hundred
pounds

Technical:

event of refusal or failure to abide by the
price limitations, report requirements, or

other provisions of this Schedule, or in
the event of any evasion or attempt to
evade the price limitations or other provisions of this Schedule, the Office of

$7.25
6.25

Wood origin

Form and that it is reproduced on

fense effort by causing dislocations,
fice spiraling and profiteering.

Schedule may apply to the Office of Price

Administration for approval of any modification thereof or exception therefrom.

For Barrels or drums, less carload. 25 cents
.

months. Acetic acid is essential in
manufacture of a large number of

For Carboys and cases, Jesa carload. 75 cents

Issued this 24th day of September 1941.
LEON HENDERSON,

Administrator
IF. R Doc. 41-7135:
Filed. m.)
September 24. 1941;
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for Immediate Release
September 25, 1941

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A reissue of Price Schedule No. 1, second-hand machine tools, is being made
because supplies have become exhausted, the Office of Price Administration
announced today.

Originally promulgated on February 17, 1941, when Leon Henderson, now OPA

Administrator, was head of the Price Stabilization Division of the National
Defense Advisory Commission, the pioneer price schedule corrected profiteering

in second-hand machine tools. This had grown to serious proportions under
stimulus of heavy demand for our own defense program and for shipment to England.

"Cases have been brought to the attention of the Price Stabilization Division
where machine tools are being priced at twice the original cost when purchased
thirty or more years ago," said the announcement accompanying the original schedule.

Speculative activity subsided with the issuance of the ceiling and orderly
trading at reasonable price levels has prevailed ever since.
Reissue of the schedule takes the form of an amendment which substitutes the

name "Office of Price Administration for the title "Price Stabilization Division"
throughout. A definition of rebuilt and guaranteed used machine tools has been
added in line with previous interpretations of the schedule. A supplement issued
May 7, 1941, designating March 1, 1941, as the base date for computing prices of
second-hand machine tools, is incorporated in the body of the amended schedule.

One other minor change is made in the text for purposes of clarity.

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Part 1301 - MACHINE TOOLS

PRICE SCHEDULE NO. 1 - Second-Hand Machine Tools

Price Schedule No. 1 - Second-Hand Machine Tools issued
February 17, 1941 is amended

to read as follows:

WHEREAS, the Office of Price Administration is charged with functions
related to the maintenance of price stability and the prevention of undue price
rises and price dislocations; and
WHEREAS, in the second-hand machine tool trade, prices have risen in
such fashion and to such extent since May, 1940, as compared with other basic
commodities, and in particular as compared with new machine tools, as to result

in price instability and dislocations injurious to the national defense: and
WHEREAS, such price increases are not justified but represent, on the

part of a few, the result of speculative activity, and withholding of sales and
offers to sell in the prospect of further unwarranted price increases, amounting
to profiteering and hoarding; and
WHEREAS, the absence of any maximum price standards make it difficult

and in some cases impossible for the trade voluntarily to cooperate with the
Government in maintaining price stability and in preventing excessive and speculative price increases and
WHEREAS, the establishment of such standards by the Government is neces-

sary to facilitate such cooperation, and to prevent the kind of price policy which
leads to a weakening of the defense effort through disastrous inflation, undue
burdens upon the Government, economic dislocations, price spiraling, and profiteerinc. and the establishment of such standards is otherwise necessary in the public
interest and in the interest of national defense; and
WHEREAS, on the basis of information secured by independent investigation by this Office and by the Office of Production Management and information
furnished through the cooperation of the trade, I: find that the maximum prices
set forth in Appendix A, incorporated herein as section 1301.7, constitute reasonable limitations on prices for second-hand machine tools.
NOW, THEREFORE, IN ORDER DO FACILITATE COOPERATION WITH THE
GOVERNMENT IN MAINTAINING PRICE STABILITY AND IN PREVENTING EXCESSIVE AND SPECULATIVE PRICE INCREASES INJURIOUS TO THE DECENSE PROGRAM AND TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST
AND WELFARE, IT IS DIRECTED THAT:

1301.1 Maximum Prices for Second-Hand Machine Tools.

On and after March 1, 1941, prices for second-hand machine tools, ex-

clusive of extras, shall not exceed the prices set forth in Appendix A,offer
incorporto
ted herein as Section 1301.7 of this Schedule. No person shall sell,
sell, deliver or transfer, and no person shall buy, offer to buy, or accept delivery of second-haid machine tools at prices higher than those set forth in Appendix
A. Lower prices may, however, be charged, demanded, paid, or offered.

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The price limitation set forth in Appendix A shall not be evaded by additional or
extra charges for repair or reconditioning commissions, or otherwise.
*1301.1 to 1301.7, inclusive, issued pursuant to the
authority contained in Executive Order No. 8734.
1301.2 Records and Reports.

Each dealer in second-hand machine tools shall file with the Office of
Price Administration a report on each floor-type second-hand machine tool in his
stock or purchased through him as agent, and a report on each second-hand machine

tool sold or otherwise disposed of, by him or through him as agent.

(a) All reports on second-hand machine tools must be made on Form
100:1, copies of which may be had upon request to this Office. Form 100:1 may be

reproduced by the dealer, or printed on the reverse side of regular stock sheets,
provided that no change is made in the style and content of the report and that
the report is on 8g by 11 inch paper.

(b) Dealers shall file reports, not later than March 25, 1941, for

each second-hand machine tool in stock as of March 15, 1941. A report for each
second-hand machine tool added to stock after March 15, 1941, shall be filed not
more than one week after the machine tool is purchased or otherwise acquired.

Failure to object to an offering price as disclosed by a report does not constitute
approval of the price by this Office.
(c) Reports for each second-hand machine tool sold or otherwise disposed of by or through a dealer after March 15, 1941, shall be filed by the dealer

within one week after the transaction. Every report of sale or other disposition

shall state the name and address of the purchaser. This information need be
noted under item 17, Remarks, on only one of the sales reports. Requests for
copies of invoices may be made by this Office at any time.

(d) When a second-hand machine tool is sold or otherwise disposed of

within one week after acquisition and before the report of inventory or addition
has been filed, such report of inventory or addition shall not be required. In
such case, however, the report of sale or other disposition shall note that no

previous report on the machine tool has been filed.
be

(e) For the purpose of reporting sales, the receipt of an order shall
reported as a sale. (If the order is later canceled, this Office is to be ad-

vised forthwith and the machine tool reported as added to inventory.)

(f) When a machine tool is disposed of by lease, or otherwise than by
sale, a full statement of the transaction shall be made on the report.
(g) Inasmuch as prices, including commissions, may not exceed the

ceiling prices. all offering or sale prices quoted in the report shall include
commissions to be charged, or which have been charged, respectively.

(h) Where a deal er has acted as purchasing agent, he shall make a report on the second-hand machine tool as if it had been purchased and immediately
sold by him (see clause (d) above), and shall report the amount paid by the purchaser, including any commission paid to him as purchasing agent.

(1) Dealers shall assign a separate inventory number to each secondhand machine tool handled by them and shall use this number in making reports

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Chereunder. If a machine tool is held in joint ownership, the inventory report

shall be made by the den't er who has possession of the machine tool, or if none of
the owners has possession of it, by the dealer in whose name the machine tool was
purchased. When the machine tool is sold, the dealer in whose name the sale is bort
made shall report the sale, referring to the inventory number previously assigned
to the machine tool.

(j) All reports shall be filed in duplicate, and signed by the dealer
coding

or by an officer of the dealer.

OTHERS

(k) Complete records shall be preserved by dealers on all second-hand
machine tools purchased, sold, or otherwise handled or dealt in after March 15,
1941.

(1) Subject to the provisions of section 1301.5 below, all information
filed or received pursuant to this Price Schedule No. 1 shall be treated as confidential, except that it may be transmitted to any other agency or department of
the Government.

(m) Extras may be defined as supplementary equipment furnished by the
manufacturer at all added cost. Shoond-hand extras are subject to the same maximum
price percentage that is applicable to the basic second-hand machine tool to which

the extras are added. All extras mist be separately listed as required in Form

100:1.

1301.3 Definitions. When used in this Schedule:

(a) The term "person" includes an individual, corporation, association,
partnership, or other business entity:
(b) The term "dealer" means a person in the business of buying and
selling second-hand machine tools as a principal or in the business of buying or
selling such tools as an agent or broker;

(c) The term "machine tool" includes all machines for the cutting,
abrading, shaping, forming, and joining of metals;
(d) The term "second-hand" refers to machine tools which have previously been used or purchased for use;

(e) The term "stock", referring to second-hand machine tools, includes
tools which are owned by the dealer in question, or on which he has obtained an
option, or for which he has secured a selling agency.
(f) The term "rebuilt and guaranteed" applies only to a machine tool

which (1) has been rebuilt is in condition to a rebuilt machine tool

as such in which worn or parts

havebeen
andreplaced
is invoiced
(a rebuilt or machine equivalent is one missing
or reworked, and which has been tested under power 80 as to

prove that it has a substantially equivalent performance to that of the machine
when new): (2) has been tested under power so as to prove that it has a substantial.y equivalent performance to that of the machine when new; and (3) carries a bind+
ng guaranty of satisfactory performance for a period of not less than 30 days
for date of shipment.
1301.4 Modification of the Schedule.

Persons complaining of hardship or inequity in the operation of this

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Schedule may apply to the Office of Price Administration for approval of any
modification thereof.*
1301.5 Enforcement of the Schedule.

In the event of refusal or failure to abide by the price limitations or
other provisions contained in this Schedule, this Office will make every effort to

assure (a) that the Congress and the public are fully informed of the instances
of such profiteering or noncooperation; and (b) that the powers of the Government
are fully exerted in order to protect the public interest in the maintenance of
fair prices. Persons who have evidence of the demand or receipt of prices above
the limitations set forth, or of speculation, manipulation of prices or hoarding
are urged to communicate with the Office of Price Administration giving as complete
description of the particular machine tools as may be practicable.*
1301.6 Effective Date of the Schedule.
This Schedule shall become effective immediately.*

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APPENDIX A

Section 1301.7
MAXIMUM PRICES FOR SECOND-HAND MACHINE TOOLS

(Exclusive of Extras)

Maximum price

in terms of per-

Classification by -

centage of the

March 1, 1941
Condition

price of equivalent

1. Jan. 1, 1936, and after

(a) Rebuilt and guaranteed
(b) Others

95%

2. Jan. 1, 1930, to Dec. 31,

(a) Rebuilt and guaranteed
(b) Others

90%

(a) Rebuilt and guaranteed
(b) Others

80%

(a) Rebuilt and guaranteed
(b) Others

70%

Date of Manufacture

1935

3. Jan. 1, 1920, to Dec. 31,
1929.

4. Before Jan. 1, 1920

new machine tool
75%

70%

60%

50%

Explanatory Information
1. The date of manufacture can be determined from the serial number stamped
on the machine by the manufacturer.

2. As used above, the term "rebuilt and guaranteed" applies only to a machine

tool which (1) has been rebuilt or is in equivalent condition to a rebuilt

machine tool and is invoiced as such (a rebuilt machine is one in which worn
or missing parts have been replaced or reworked, and which has been tested

under power so as to prove that it has a substantially equivalent performance
to that of the machine when new); (2) has been tested under power so as to prove
that it has a substantially equivalent performance to that of the machine when
new; and (3) carried a binding guaranty of satisfactory performance for a
period of not less than 30 days from date of shipment.
3. Machine tools formerly equipped with a cone drive are often now manufactured with a geared head. In such cases determine the price of an equivalent
new machine tool by deducting 20 percent from the March 1, 1941 price of the new
geared-head machine tool.

Issued this 17th day of February, 1941
Amended this 24th day of September, 1941

Leon Henderson

Administrator

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OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

For Immediate Release

PM 1241

September 26, 1941

An experimental program designed to bring about quick delivery to steel mills
and foundries of iron and steel scrap scattered throughout areas of the United States
remote from consuming centers was announced today by Leon Henderson, administrator,

Office of Price Administration.

Trade estimates of the quantities of "remote scrap" in Florida and the eight
Western States affected by the program range from 500,000 to 2,500,000 tons. It is

considered highly important to bring as much of this tonnage as possible to consum-

ing points before winter weather conditions in the west make its collection diffi-

cult.

To accomplish its objective, the program allows considerably higher shipping
point prices for "remote scrap" and permits consumers to pay greater transportation
charges to bring "remote scrap" to their plants.
Both of these measures are embodied in an amendment to the iron and steel scrap
schedule. This amendment will expire on December 31, 1941.

Specifically, the amendment sets a maximum shipping point price of $12.00 a

ton for No. 2 heavy melting scrap in Florida and all states west of the Mississippi
River, excepting California, Oregon and Washington. Price differentials above and
below $12.00 for other grades of scrap will be those already established for St.
Louis.
The new shipping point prices are considerably higher than those set in the
present schedule for scrap from the nine states. However, except for a few isolated
cases,
existing shipping point prices in other States west of the Mississippi are
not
affected.
A separate section defines as "remote scrap" all kinds and grades of scrap,
other than railroad scrap, having a shipping point and point of origin within the

States of Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho,

and Montana. It is stipulated that the maximum price of any grade of "remote scrap
delivered to the plant of a consumer may be $5.00 a ton above the top delivered
price which he has heretofore been permitted to pay.

By allowing steel mills and foundries to pay larger transportation costs, the

amendment makes it possible for distant consuming plants to bring in "remote scrap
from the nine States affected. Heretofore, the maximum delivered price of scrap
from these States has been the shipping point price fixed in the schedule, plus
transportation costs to the nearest consuming plant, plus a further $1.00 a ton.

This extra $1.00 allowance enables mills and foundries to "reach out" for scrap
at may otherwise lie slightly beyond their "delivered price" zone.
By increasing the extra allowance to $5.00 in the case of "remote scrap", OPA
permits consuming plants to absorb $4.00 a ton more in transportation costs than
the highest such charge allowed heretofore.

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In special situations, according to the amendment, consumers may pay even more

than
$5.00
extrafrom
freight
provided
they apply for and obtain permission
to
do the
so in
advance
theallowance,
Office of Price
Administration.
Lengthy discussions with the Office of Production Management, the scrap trade,
And steel mills and foundries preceded the decision of OPA to conduct the present
test. Representatives of the scrap trade have long contended that a large tonnage
of Premote scrap" would be brought into consuming channels were shipping point and

delivered prices made sufficiently attractive.

Two factors were considered in defining "remote scrap" areas. First, areas
from which scrap is not now flowing to consuming points in sufficient volume and,

second, areas in which more scrap accumulates than can be absorbed by nearby steel
mills and foundries.
California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington were excluded because each

has a number of consuming mills within its borders.

All deliveries against contracts made under the amendment must be completed by
December 31, 1941. Purchasers of "remote scrap" are required to file, under oath, a

detailed report of each transaction within 10 days after purchase. Further, consumers are obliged to file with OPA certified copies of their bills of lading inmediately upon delivery of any "remote scrap."

Nothing in the amendment affects shipping point prices or delivered prices east

of the Mississippi River, excepting in Southern Florida. Sellers in certain of the
Western Statement included in the "remote scrap" areas still will be able to dispose of their scrap in nearby markets within existing ceiling prices.
Text of the amendment is attached.

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CHAPTER XI OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Part 1304 - Iron and Steel Scrap
Amendment of Price Schedule No. 4 - Iron and Steel Scrap
1304:16 Appendix A, MAXXMUN PRICES FOR IRON AND STREE SCRAP OTHER THAN

RAIL-

ROAD SCRAP, of Price Schedule No. 4 is hereby amended:

1. By adding after Subparagraph 3 in Section (b) of Paragraph II thereof
the following Subparagraph 4:

#4. In the State of Florida and in all states west of the Mississippi

River, excepting Washington, Oregon, and California, whenever the Shipping
Point Price of No. 2 Heavy Melting Steel Scrap, as computed above falls
below $12.00 per gross ton at any Shipping Point, the maximum Shipping
Point Price thereof at such point shall be $12.00, and the maximum Ship-

ping Point Prices for other grades of scrap at such point shall be computed by applying the price differentials established in Paragraph I
hereof for St. Louis, Missouri,"

2. By striking out, at the end of Paragraph III, the words, "to the consumer',
plant." and inserting in place thereof the following words: "to the consumer's plant, except as provided in Paragraph VI herein."
3. Paragraph VI is amended to read as follows:
REMOIE SCRAP

(a) Definitions. When used in this Paragraph:
1. Remote Scrap means all the kinds and
grades of iron and steel scrap referred to in Appendix A and having

a Shipping Point and a point of origin within the States of Montana,
Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, or
Florida.

2. The Shipping Point of Remote Scrap is the point from which
Remote Scrap is to be shipped, whether to consumer, dealer, broker
or other person or persons.
(b) Maximum Shipping Point Price of Remote Scrap. The maximum
Shipping Point Price of Remote Sorap shall be $12.00 for No. 2 Heavy

Melting Steel Scrap and, for other grades of scrap, the maximum Shipping
Point Price shall be computed by applying to the price of $12.00 for No.

2 Heavy Melting Steel Scrap the trice differentials established in Paragraph I hereof for St. Louis.
(c) Maximum Delivered Price of Remote Scran. The maximum price
of Remote Scrap delivered to a consumer wherever located shall be the

Shipping Point Price plus actual transportation charges from the Shipping
Point to the consumer's plant as provided in Paragraph III above, except
that, whenever necessary to absorb transportation charges, the maximum

delivered price may exceed the raximum delivered price set forth in

Paragraph III above by a maximum of $4.00. Thus the maximum delivered

price for Remote Scrap shall be $5.00 above the prices set forth in
Paragraph I above, for the Basing Point nearest, in terms of established
transportation charges, to the consumer's plant. The consumer, however
may not exceed the maximum delivered price provided in Paragraph III

2PM 1241

1.
below.
above
unless he conforms to the reporting requirements of Subparagraph

1. No sales or purchases of Remote Scrap may be completed under
the provisions of this paragraph unless the consumer of such scrap shall

file, with the Office of Price Administration, Washington, D. C., (1)
within 10 days following the purchase thereof, a fully detailed statement
under oath setting forth the name and address of the seller, the point
of shipment of the scrap, the grade, quantity and price at Shipping Point,
delivery price, the name of the carrier, and the transportation charges
from the Shipping Point to the consumer's plant, and (11) immediately upon

delivery of such scrap, certified copies of all bills of lading covering
the shipment of such scrap from the remote area to the consumer's plant.

Only reports of purchases and bills of lading involving delivery of not
less than one car of scrap need be filed.
2. Where Remote Scrap cannot be delivered to the consumer within
the maximum delivered prices of Remote Scrap established in Subperagraph

(c) hereof, a consumer may apply to the Office of Price Administration,
Washington, D. C., for permission to absorb the additional transportation
charges necessary to secure such scrap. Applications by consumers must

be fully detailed, including an affidavit setting forth the point of

shipment of the scrap, the grade, quantity and price at Shipping Point,
proposed delivery prices, the name of the carrier, and the transportation
charges from the Shipping Point to the consumer's plant. The application
should be accompanied by an affidavit from the consumer setting forth its
need for, and its willingness to accept, such scrap at the price quoted.
Only applications for purchases which would involve actual delivery of not less than one car of scrap per month from one Shipping
Point to one consumer destination will be considered.

The approval of the Office of Price Administration shall be

obtained before consumers may absorb the additional transportation
charge necessary to secure such scrap.

(d) Termination of Remote Scrap Provisions. The provisions of Subparagraph 4 of Paragraph II and this Paragraph VI shall become inoperative
and terminated on and after December 31, 1941. Deliveries under contracts
entered into
pursuant to these provisions shall be completed on or before
December
31, 1941."
These amendments shall become effective on September 26, 1941.
(Executive Order No. 8734)

Issued this 25th day of September, 1941.

Leon Henderson

Administrator
CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL

John E. Hamm, Deputy Administrator

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OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

For Wednesday AMYS.

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October 1, 1941

Extension of Price Schedule No. 14 - raw silk and silk waste - to bring
under ceiling prices all types of raw silk now known to be in the United States
was announced today by Leon Henderson, administrator, Office of Price Administration.

The original schedule, issued August 2, 1941, covered the principal grades
and established maximums at quotations that prevailed on July 21, 1941, before

developments in the Far East sent prices soaring.

On July 26, 1941, domestic silk stocks were frozen by order of the Division
of Priorities, Office of Production Management, which followed this action by
undertaking an inventory of silk holdings.
Recently completed, the inventory disclosed that there were comparatively
small amounts of numerous types and grades of raw silk not covered by the original
OPA price schedule. These are now included in a comprehensive amendment.

Ceiling prices set for the newly added types and grades are based upon the

prices already established for the leading types. Except for China silk, now
broken down into grades, deniers and colors, no change has been made in the

prices of these basic types.

The maximums will apply to all sales of silk, including sales of silk
now or hereafter released from OPM's freezing order and to all transfers of silk
ordered by OPM to manufacturers holding defense contracts.
It was announced that OPA does not contemplate making any provision for

completion of existing contracts at prices above those established in the schedule.

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CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

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Part 1338 - Silk and Silk Products

Section 1338.8 of Price Schedule No. 14 - Rew Silk and Silk Waste is hereby amended to read as follows:
Section 1338.8. APPENDIX A, MAXIMUM PRICES FOR RAW SILK AND SILK WASTE.

Table I
Prices Per Pound, Ex Seller's Warehouse
Grade

Type

c

B

AA

A

AAA

Spee

cial

Percentage

Spe-

cial

Spe-

cial

73

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AAA

AAA

Evenness

Spe-

90

81

83

85

87

4.35
4.25
4.10

4.37
4.27

4.40

4.39

4.58
4.48

4.12

4.30
4.15

4.43
4.33
4.18

op4s24

4.33

4.58
4.43

Denier
Japan,

White, Ivory,
and Cream 1

9-11
10-12
11-13

4.31

4.06

4.33
4.23
4.08

12-14

3.11

3.13

3.15

3.17

3.20

3.23

3.29

3.38

4.21

Yellow

White

4.6g

4.78
4.68

4.88
4.78

4.53

4.63

3.48

3.58

3.68

13-15

and 14-16

3.06

3.08

3.10

3.12

3.15

3.18

3.24

3.33

3.43

3.53

3.63

15-17

to 18-20 inc

3.04

3.06

3.08

3.10

3.13

3.16

3.22

3.31

3.41

3.51

3.61

20-22 to 30-32 inc.

3.00

3.02

3.04

3.07

3.10

3.15

3.20

3.29

3.39

3.49

3.59

40-1 44 41-43 and 42-44

3.00

3.02

3.04

3.07

3.10

3.30

3.35

3.44

3.54

3.64

3.74

and 83-85

3.00

3.02

3.04

3.07

3.10

3.15

3.20

3.29

3.39

3.49

3.59

20-22 to 30-32, inc.

2.95

2.97

2.99

3.02

3.05

3.10

3.15

3.24

3.34

3.44

3.54

2.95

2.97

2.99

3.02

3.05

3.25

3.30

3.39

3.49

3.59

3.69

60-66. 60-80. 62-64

Japan, Yellow; 1

4.49

1 Any Japan silk of undesignated grade, (1.e., percentage eveness) shall sell at a price not exceeding 10 cents per pound
below the Grade B. 73 per cent evenness, price for its denier.

Table II

PM 1279

Prices Per Pound, Ex Seller's Warehouse
Grade

G

F

E

D

C

Evenness

63

68

73

78

81

AAA

B

A

AA

83

85

87

90

Percentage

Type

Special Special Special Special
AAA

AAA

AAA

AAA

92

93

94

95

Denier
China,

White and cream,

9-11

$4.15

4.25

4.31

4.38

4.43

4.50

4.60

4.70

4.80

4.90

5.00

5.10

5.20

10-12

4.05

4.15

4.21

4.28

4.33

4.40

4.50

4.60

4.70

4.80

4.90

5.00

5.10

11-13

3.90

4.00

4.06

4.13

4.18

4.25

4.35

4.45

4.55

4.65

4.75

4.85

4.95

12-14

2.95

3.05

3.11

3.18

3.23

3.30

3.40

3.50

3.60

3.70

13-15 to 18-20 inc.

3.80

3.90

4.00

2.90

3.00

3.06

3.13

3.18

3.25

3.35

3.45

3.55

3.65

3.75

20-22

3.85

2.80

3.95

2.90

2.95

2.97

2.99

3.07

3.15

3.22

3.35

3.45

3.55

3.65

2.80

3.75

2.90

2.95

2.97

2.99

3.07

3.15

3.37

3.50

3.60

3.70

3.80

2.80

3.90

2.90

3.96

3.03

3.08

3.15

3.25

3.35

3.45

3.55

3.65

3.75

3.85

2.73

2.83

2.88

2.90

2.92

3.00

3.08

3.15

3.28

3.38

3.48

3.58

3.68

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Any China silk of undesignated grade (i. percentage evenness) shall sell at a price not exceeding 75 cents per pound
below the Grade G. 63 per cent evenness, price for its denier.

The prices set forth are for re-reeled China silk. Ordinary reeled China silk shall sell at prices not exceeding 5
cents per pound below the prices for re-reeled China silk for aquivalant colors, deniers, and qualities.

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Table III

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Prices Per Pound, Ex Seller's Warehouse
CANTON SILK

DOUPIONS, WHITE and YELLOW

Maximum Price

Denier
40-60

Denier

Maximum Price

$ 2.00

14-16

$ 2.55

1.95

20-22

2.40

60-80
70-90
100-120

1.90

White Pearl

1.85

chop grade

100-150

1.85

200-250

2.00

2.70

TUSSAH SILK

Maximum Price

TSATLEE SILK

Maximum Price

Ordinary

$ 1.60

Bleached

1.70

$ 2.40

Extra
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2.55

extra

Table IV
Imported Silk Waste

Maximum Price

Canton Open Waste

$0.64 per 1b., ex seller's warehouse
.92 per 1b., ex seller's warehouse
.85 per 1b., ex seller's warehouse

China Long Waste
Pierced Cocoons

1.85 per 1b., in bond, Warehouse, Port

Peignees

of New York.

Table V

Domestic Silk Waste

Maximum Price

Winders waste (untwisted) untinted

$0.90 per 1b., F.O.B. Shipping Point
.85 per 1b., F.O.B. Shipping Point
.80 per 1b., F.O.B. Shipping Point

Tinted

Tram Waste (1-5 turns per inch)
Crepe or Grenadine waste

(6 or more turns per inch)
Cut skeins

.22 per 1b., F.O.B. Shipping Point
.95 per 1b., F.O.B. Shipping Point

(Executive Order No. 8734)
Effective September 30, 1941.

Issued this 30th day of September, 1941.
Leon Henderson

Certified to be a true
sapy of the original.
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Administrator

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OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Immediate release
ctober 1, 1941

PM 1283

Ceiling prices for all grades of paperboard sold East of the Rocky Mountains,
corresponding to those that have prevailed for several months under voluntary agreements with leading producers, are established in Price Schedule No. 32 announced

today by Leon Henderson, Administrator, Office of Price Administration.

The new schedule goes into effect on October 1, expiration date of the voluntary
agreements and effective date of OPA's recent schedule of ceiling prices on wastepaper, principal raw material for the manufacture of paperboard.
As stated in a preliminary announcement, maximum delivered prices for the three
base grades are the arme as those specified in the voluntary agreements, that is,
:45.00 a ton for chipboard, $60.00 a ton for single manila lined board and $75.00

ton for white patent coated news board. Differentials, up and down, in line with

he expiring agreements, are established for the other types, depending upon weight,

grade and quality.

All types of paperboard used in the manufacture of set-up paper boxes, folding
cartons and shipping containers are covered. Top prices for the shipping container
rades are stated in dollars per 1,000 square feet, rather than in dollars per ton
are the grades used in set-up paper boxes and folding cartons.
Paperboard is in great demand for cartons and boxes to package defense materials, food products ,and innumerable articles of consumer goods.

Issuance of the present schedule climaxes a series of attempts by OPA to avert
inflationary price trends in this basic commodity by voluntary agreements with paperboard manufacturers and the wastepaper trade.

On June 12, 1941, leading producers of paperboard agreed individually with OPA
(then OPACS) to maximum prices of $42.50 for chip board, $57.50 per ton for single
manila lined board and $72.50 a ton for white patent costed news board, with approprinte differentials for other grades. This agreement took into account wastepaper
prices as of May 29, 1941.

Prices of wastepaper rose rapidly thereafter and had increased from $3.00 to
$4.00 A ton on June 18, 1941, when they were stabilized by individual agreements

between OPA and members of the trade.

Because of these higher prices for wastepaper, the voluntary agreements with
the paperboard manufacturers were revised upward by $2.50 per ton on August 4 and
at the same time were extended to October 1, 1941, to correspond with a similar extension of the agreements on wastepaper prices.
Despite these attempts to stabilize both paperboard and wastepaper prices

through voluntary action, the situation continued unsettled. There developed in

Grtain quarter of the wastepaper trade methods designed to circument the maximum
prices and in some instances, supplies were diverted or withheld from consuming

mills that refused to violate their agreements with OPA. As a result, the distri-

bution of wastepaper stocks became unbalanced and some paperboard plants were forced
to shut down.

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On September 4, Mr. Henderson announced that it no longer was practicable

to continue the attempt at voluntary control of wastepaper prices and that all of

the more important grades would be brought under a ceiling as of October 1 at the
levels that prevailed on June 16. This announcement was followed on September 23
by a statement that formal ceiling action on paperboard prices was impending.

The differentials established in the schedule are those which are familier to
the trade. A maximum base price is set for a given classification and to that base
are added or subtracted amounts consistent with the quantity of all types included
in the classification. For example, to the maximum base price of $45.00 per ton
for plain chip board may be added not more than $5.00 per ton for sales of from one
to three tons; $2.50 for more than three tons, but less than 10 tons; with the base
price of $45.00 applying to sales of 10 tons or over.

In the case of white vat lined board, which is included with chip board in the
"set-up boxboard" classification, the maximum base price is $45.00 a ton, plus

$20.00
or10plus
for orders of over three,
for thanor
orders
of three$17.50
tons less:

but less tons; or plus $15.00 for orders of 10 tons or over. Thus, in
effect, there are three ceiling prices ($65.00.$62.50 and $60.00) for white vat

lined
same system
prevails
throughout
the
boxboard.
minimum
This
deductions
schedule,
in
some cases from the base price are provided
for. although
In addition,

there are differentials allowed for varying thicknesses and for special operations
in all of the grades.

Under a special exception, the additional charges for quantities less than 10
tons are eliminated if the buyer orders sizes in proper quantities and dimensions
to fill the width of the paper making machine.
All of the ceiling prices are the maximums that may be charged for the re-

spective grades and tonnages delivered to the consumer.

OPA has no present intention of establishing maximum prices for board sold wes
of the Rockies, Mr. Henderson said, since the voluntary agreements with West Coast
manufacturers do not expire until December 31, 1941, and have been operating satisfactorily.

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CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Part 1347 - Paper and Paper Products

PM 1283

Price schedule No. 32 - Paperboard Sold East of the Rocky Mountains

The Office of Price Administration, being charged with the maintonance of
price stability and the prevention of undue price rises, has determined that the
establishment of naximum prices for paperboard is essential in order to accomplish
these purposes and is in the interest of national defense and national welfare, and
that the naximum prices set forth herein are fair and reasonable. The deternination of these prices comes after exhaustive investigations and numerous conferences with representatives of all branches of the paperboard trade.
Paperboard, and the boxes and containers manufactured therefron, have become

essential to the prosecution of the defense effort. The Office of Price Administtration, through voluntary agreements and the establishment of price schedules for
wastepaper and other commodities, has been exerting its efforts to prevent undue
price rises in those raw materials which go to make up paperboard. The price riser
which are threatening in the paperboard industry are, therefore, unwarranted.
Because of the countless uses for paperboard, the effect of an inflationary price
would be to create a dangerous price spiral and, therefore, inmediate action is
necessary.

Accordingly, under the authority vested in me by Executive Order No. 8734, it
is hereby directed that:
1347.51 Maximum Prices for Paperboard. On and after October 1, 1941, regard-

less of the terms of any contract of sale or purchase or other connitment, in the
area East of the Rocky Mountains, no person shall sell, offer to sell, deliver or
transfer any grade of paperboard, and no person shall buy, offer to buy, or accept
delivery of any grade of paperboard at prices higher than the maximum prices set
forth in appendises. andB hereof, incorporated herein as Sections 1347.61 and

1347.62, respectively.*

Sections 1347.51 to 1347.62, inclusive, issued pursuant to the
authority contained in Executive Order No. 8734.
1347.52 Less than Maximum Prices. Lower prices than those set forth in Appendices A and B may, however, be charged, demanded, paid, or offered.*

1347.53 Evasion. The price limitations set forth in this Schedule shall not
be evaded by direct or indirect methods in connection with a purchase, sale, delivery, or transfer of paperboard, alone or in conjunction with any other material,
or by way of any commission, service, transportation or other charge, or discount,
premium or other privilege, or by tying-agreement or other trade understanding, or
otherwise.*

1347.54 Records. Every person making purchases or sales aggregating ten tons

or more of any or all grades of paperboard in any one month shall keep for inspection by the Office of Price Administration, for a period of not less than one
year, complete and accurate records of each purchase or sale of paperboard made
during such month and each month thereafter showing the date thereof, the name of

the buyer or of the seller, the prices paid or received, the quantity and grade or

grades so purchased or sold.*

1347.55 Reports. Every producer of any or all grades of paperboard shall, in
addition to keeping records as required above, submit such reports as the Office
of Price Administration may from time to time require.*

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1347.56 Affirmation of Compliance. All persons who are required by Section
to keep records, shall transmit, on or before November 10, 1941 and on or
1347.54 the tenth day of each month thereafter, an affirmation of compliance on For
before containing a sworn statement that during the month for which the record is
132:1 all purchases and sales were made at prices in compliance with this Schedule
kept with any exception or modification thereof. Copies of Form 132: 1 can be proor cured from the Office of Price Administration or, provided no change is made in the
style and content of it and that it is reproduced on 8" by 10a" paper, may * be prepared by persons required to submit affirmation of compliance hereunder.

1347.57 Enforcement. In the event of refusal or failure to abide by the price
limitations, record or report requirements, or other provisions contained in this
Schedule, the Office of Price Administration will make every effort to assure (a)
that the Congress and the public are fully informed thereof, (b) that the powers of
the Government, both State and Federal, are fully exerted in order to protect the
public interest and the interests of those persons who comply with this Schedule, (c)
that full advantage will be taken of the cooperation of the various political subdivisions of state, county, and local governments through calling to the attention
of the proper authorities failures to comply with this Schedule which may be regarded
as grounds for the revocation of licenses and permits; and (d) that the procurement
services of the Government are requested to refrain from selling to or purchasing
from those persone who fail to comply with this Schedule. Persons who have evidence
of the offer, receipt, demand or payment of prices higher than the maximum prices,

or of any evasion or effort to evade the provisions hereof, or of speculation or
manipulation of prices of any or all of the grades of paperboard or of the hoarding
or accumulation of unnecessary inventories thereof, are urged and requested to COM

municate with the Office of Price Administration.

1347.58 Modification of the Price Schedule. Persons complaining of hardship
or inequity in the operation of this Schedule may apply to the Office of Price
Administration for approval of any modification thereof or exception therefrom. the
Such

applications must include all relevant facts in detail and must be verified by
individual making the application or by an officer or partner of the business entity
making the application. *

1347.59 Definitions. When used in this Schedule, or any modifications or
exceptions thereto, the term

(a) "Person" means an individual, partnership. association, corporation, or other business entity.

(b) "Paperboard" means all kinds, grades, types, calipers, colors,
and patterns of paperboard.
(c) "Producer" means any person who manufactures from any raw ma-

terial any type, grade or caliper of paperboard for any use whatsoever.

(a) "Gage list" means those lists set forth in United States Depart
ment of Commerce Simplified Practice Recommendation R44-36 entitled "Box Board
Thicknesses.

ban

1347.60 Effective Date. This Schedule shall become effective on October 1,
1941.

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1347.61 Appendix A

Maxi: Prices for Paperboard Used in the Manufacture of Folding Pauer Boxes and Set-up Cartons.
(a)

Set-up Boxboards (No. 1 Gage List - Reg. 50's to

90's, incl. See Section (d) for other thicknesses 1/)
Maximum Base

Price Per Ton
(2000 1bc.)

Maximum Differentials Applying to the Maximum Base Price 2/

13
Tone

$ 45.00
Plain Chip
News Vat Lined Chip 45.00
Filled News
45.00
Solid News 1
45.00
White Vat Lined
45.00
Mounting Board
Tube & Can Stock

+

3/

+

+

+

45.00
45.00

5.00

+

7.50

+

1

2.50

or Over
Base

+

6.50 + 4.00 1 1.50
8.00 + 5.50 + 3.00

10.00
20.00
8.00

+

10 Tons

Over 3
Less 10

+

7.50

5.00

t

+ 17.50 + 15.00

+ 5.50 + 3.00
+ 5.00 + 2.50

(b)

Folding Boards (No. 2 Gage List - Reg. 50's and

90's, incl. See Section (a) for other thicknesses
Maximum Base

Price Per Ton
(2000 lbs.)

Maximum Differentials Applying to the Maximum Base Price 2/

13

10 Tons

Over 3
Less 10

Tons

or Over

Single Manila Lined,
Jute-Mist Gray, Tan,
Green Lined & Suit
3/

$ 60.00

5.00

+

Box

2.50

+

Base

Bleached Manila
Lined

Semi-bending &
Creasing Chip

Full Bending Chip

60.00
60.00
60.00

+

-

7.50

+

5.00

+

2.50

7.50 - 10.00 - 12.50
5.00 - 7.50 - 10.00

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(c)

(No. 6 Gage List)

White Patent Coated News
Maximum Base

Price Per Ton
(2000 lbs.)

Maximum Differentials Applying to the Maximum Base Price

13

Over 3
Less 10

Tone

1 Single White .020
and heavier

+ 1 Single White .018
1 Single White .016
1 Single White .015
# 1 Single White .014
1 Double White .020
and heavier
1 Double White .018
1 Double White .016
1 Double White .015
1 Double White .014

75.00
75.00
75.00
75.00
75.00

5.00
7.50
10.00
12.50
15.00

75.00
75.00
75.00
75.00
75.00

27.50
32.50
37.50
40.00
42.50

+

+

+

+

2.50

10 Tons

or Over

+

Base

5.00 + 2.50
7.50 + 5.00
10.00 + 7.50
12.50 + 10.00

25.00 + 22.50
30.00 + 27.50
+

+

+

35.00
37.50
40.00

+

+

t

32.50
35.00
37.50

(d)

Additional Differentials Applying to All Grades
Regular 35's to 39's
Regular 40's to 49's
Regular 91's to 100's
Regular 101's to 120's

3

Silicating (Per Side)
Pasting 35's to 15's
Pasting 14's to 1/2" Thick

+

+

+

Trimming (Per Side)
Gloss Ink

+
+

5.00
2.50
2.50
5.00
2.50
7.50
12.50
1,00
2.50

(e)

All of the above maximum prices are for the respective grades and
tonnages delivered to the consumer, Billing may be f.o.b. point of shipment with freight allowed to point of destination.

1

2

Except No. 3 Gage List

Exception to Quantity Differentials - Where a single buyer places
a single or multiple order for paperboard of a single grade, thickness, type, and color, and where the sizes ordered and quantities

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demanded are such AS to fill the trim of the seller's paper making
machine and where the only cutting involved can be done by the
slitter and chopper knives F B the paperboard leaves the machine,
the combined weight of such orders made simultaneously shall be

used as the basis for the application of the quantity differential
set forth herein.
A

If If sign before a figure establishes it as the maximum amount
that may be added to the base price in the sale or purchase of the

kind end grade of paperboard in whose column the figure appears.
Smaller amounts may be added. A If - If sign before a figure establishes
it as the minimum amount that must be subtracted from the base price
in the sale or purchase of the kind and grade of paperboard in whose
column the figure appears. Larger amounts may be subtracted.

4/ Additional differentials applying to White Patent Coated News only:
Manila Back Non-Bender + $10.00
Manila Back Bender
+ $15.00
1347.62 Appendix B.
Maximum Prices for Peperboard Used in the Man-

ufacture of Corrugated and Solid Fibre Boxes
(a)

Container Liners

Price Per M Sq. Ft.

.016 42 1b. Fourdrinter Kraft
.016 47 1b. Fourdrinier Kraft
.016 49 1b. Fourdrinier Kraft
.016 50 1b. Fourdrinier Kraft
.016 52 1b. Fourdrinier Kraft
.016
52 1b. - 150 1b. Test Cylinder Kraft
.016
56 - 59 1b. - 100 lb. Test Natural Cylinder Kraft
.016
56 - 58 1b. - 100 1b. Test Filled Cylinder Kraft
.016
52 1b. - 100 1b. Test Yellow Fourdrinier Kraft
.016
56 1b. - 125 1b. Test Yellow Cylinder Kraft

.016
.016

56 1b. Chipboard
64 1b. Jute

$

1.26
1.41
1.47
1.50
1.56
1.69
1.82
1.82
1.76
1.89
1.26
1.92

(b)

Liners Heavier than .016
.030 100.16. Jute
.030 110 1b. Jute

.030 96 1b. Cylinder Kraft
96 1b. Yellow Cylinder Kraft
90 1b. Fourdrinier Kraft
.030 104 1b. - 250 1b. Test Cylinder Kraft
.035 110 1b. High Test Cylinder Kraft

.030
.030

3.00
3.30
3.12
3.24
2.70
3.38
3.85

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(c)

Price Per M Sq. Ft.

Liners Lighter than .016

.99

.012 33 1b. Kraft
.012 38 1b. Kraft
.012 48 1b. - 50 1b. Jute
.010 30 1b. - 32 1b. Kraft

1.14
1.50
1.04
(d)

Corrugating Grades

.009 32 1b. Strawboard

.96
.78

.009 26 1b. Cheetnut
.009 26 1b. Pinewood
.009 26 1b. Chip

.78

.009 26 1b. Canadian (Sulphite & Ground Wood)

.78

.009 26 1b. Fourdrinier Kraft

.78

.62
.90

.009 25 - 30 1b. "Bogus" Corrugating Material
(e)

All Kraft, Jute, and Chip prices are based on their repsective natural
colors except where specific provision is made otherwise in the above
schedule.

(f)

For grades of Chipboard not found in this Appendix, a price per thousand
square feet not in excess of $45.00 per ton may be charged. For grades of
all other types of paperboard not found in this Appendix, a price per thousand square feet not in excess of $60.00 per ton may be charged. In the event
that special circumstances are present, application should be made to the

Office of Price Administration for a modification or exception to the
Schedule in accordance with Section 1347.58 hereof.
(g)

All of the above maximum prices are for the respective grades and tonnages delivered to the consumer. Billing may be f.o.b. point of shipment

with freight allowed to point of destination.

Issued this 30th day of September, 1941.

LEON HENDERSON

Leon Henderson

Administrator
CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL

JOHN E. HAMM

John E. Hamm, Deputy Administrator

1)

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OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

For Immediate Release,
Oct. 2, 1941

Office of Price Administration

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Several minor changes in Price Schedule No. 12 covering brass mill scrap were

issued today by Leon Henderson, Administrator, Office of Price Administretion.

Brass mill scrap includes scrap which is a by-product of the fabrication of

materials produced by brass mills.

Amendments to the schedule, which was originally issued, on July 21, 1941,

include:

(1) Addition of a new category designated as "Copper" with the following
maximum prices for less than 15,000 pound lots: heavy scrap, 10-1/4# per pound;
rod ends, 10-1/44 per pound; and rod turnings, 9-1/24 per pound. Premiums of 5/84
per pound may be paid on shipments of 15,000 pounds or more at one time and of
1 cent on shipments of 40,000 pounds or more. This type of material is currently
covered in price schedule No 20 on "Copper Scrap" but is to be removed from that
schedule shortly

(2) Addition of E new category designated as "Nickel Silver" with the follow-

ing maximum prices for less than 15,000 pound lots:
Nickel Silver
5% nickel
10% nickel
15% nickel

Heavy Scrap

9-1/44
10-1/85

10-7/8/

Rod Ends

9
9-7/84
10-5/84

Turnings
4-5/8+

5-1/16
5-7/16

Nickel silver scrap was formerly covered by price schedule No. 8 on "Nickel
Scrap". The change was made because most nickel silver is produced by bress mills.
Cupro-nickel, which is produced in large quantities by other than brass mills. remains in the nickel scrap schedule.

(3) The definition of "brass will scrap" has been changed so as to conform
substantially with the OPM priority order covering copper and copper alloy scrap.
(4) The enforcement section has been modified so as to take account of
possible cooperation by state, county. and local governments in seeking enforcement the through revocation of licenses and permits. This section also states "that
to procurement services of the Government are requested to refrain from selling
or purchasing from those persons who fail to comply with the schedule."

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134

Part 1309 - Copper and Copper Alloys
Amendment to Price Schedule No. 12 - Brass Mill Scrap

Price Schedule No. 12, Brass Mill Scrap. is hereby amended by substituting

words "Office of Price Administration" for the words "Office of Price

the

ministration and Civilian Supply" wherever they appear in the Schedule and by

amending Sections 1309.15, 1309.18, and 1309.19 to read as follows:

1309.15 Enforcement. In the event of refusal or failure to abide by the
price limitations, record requirements, or other provisions contained in this
Schedule, the Office of Price Administration will make every effort to assure
(a) that the Congress and the public are fully informed thereof, (b) that the
powers of Government, both state and federal, are fully exerted in order to proe
tect the public interest and the interests of those persons who comply with this
Schedule, (c) that full advantage will be taken of the cooperation of the various
political subdivisions of state, county, and local governments through calling
to the attention of the proper authorities failures to comply with this Schedule
which may be regarded as grounds for the revocation of licenses and permits; and
(d) that the procurement services of the Government are requested to refrain from
selling to or purchasing from those persons who fail to comply with this Schedule,
Persons who have evidence of the offer, receipt, demand or payment of prices
higher than the maximum prices, or of any evasion or effort to evade the provie

sions thereof, or of speculation or manipulation of prices of any or all of the

grades of brass mill scrap or of the hoarding or accumulation of unnecessary
inventories thereof, are urged and requested to communicate with the Office of

Price Administration.

(Executive Order 8734)

1309.18 Definitions. When used in this Schedule, the term

(a) "person" includes an individual, partnership, association,
corporation, or other business entity.
(b) "brass mill scrap" means the kinds and grades of non-ferrous
scrap materials which are a by-product of the fabrication of materials produced

by brass mills.

(Executive Order 8734)

1309.19 - Appendix A - Maximum Prices. Maximum prices herein set forth are

for the principal kinds or grades of brass mill scrap. All other kinds or grades
of brass mill scrap which are not specified, except cupro-nickel alloy scrap,
should be sold at the normal differentials from such principal kinds or grades.
Cupro-nickel alloy scrap shall be sold in accordance with the provisions of
Price Schedule No. 8 which establishes maximum prices for scrap and-secondary
materials containing nickel.

The maximum prices are established for scrap which is clean, dry and free
from foreign materials and which meets generally accepted maximum standards in

which
should
be
sold
at
normal
below the established maximum

differentials the trade. Scrap fails to meet such standards prices. Maximum Prices

Kind or Grade of Scrap

(per pound, f.o.b. point of shipment)
Rod Ends

Turnings

9-1/2

9-1/44

8-3/4#

9-3/84

9-1/8

8-5/8

Heavy Scrap
Brass

Commercial Bronze

containing 95% or more copper
containing minimum of 90% up
to 95% copper

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Maximum Prices

Kind or Grade of Scrap

(per pound, f.o.b. point of shipment)
Heavy Scrap

Rod Ends

Turnings

8-3/8

Red Brass

containing minimum of 80% copper
Best Quality Brass
containing minimum of 71% up to

9-1/8

8-7/8

8-3/44

8-1/24

Yellow Brass

8-5/8

8-3/84

10-1/44

10-1/44

80% copper

Copper

Rod Turnings

Nickel Silver

7-7/8
9-1/2

Turnings

5% nickel

9-1/44

10% nickel

10-1/8
10-7/8

15% nickel

9$

4-5/86

9-7/8

5-1/16
5-7/16

10-5/8

Quantity Differentials
Premiums on shipments of:

15,000 pounds or more at one time
40,000 pounds or more at one time

5/8 per pound
14 per pound

The maximum prices set forth above apply on shipments in lots of less than
15,000 pounds. However, as indicated above, on shipments in lots of 15,000 pounds
at one time, a maximum of 5/8 per pound may be added to such prices. On ship

ments in lots of 40,000 pounds or more at one time,a maximum of 1c per pound may

be added to such prices. A lot of 15,000 pounds for the purposes of this

Schedule, may be made up of any kind or grade of heavy scrap, or of any kind
grade of turnings and rod ends, but heavy scrap may not be mixed with either

or

turnings or rod ends or both, to make up a lot of 15,000 pounds. A lot of 40,000
grade of brass nill scrap.

pounds or more for the purposes of this Schedule, may be made up of any kind or

If delivery is made by truck, a shipment in lots of 15,000 pounds or 40,000

pounds or more as the case may be, will be considered to have been made "at one

time", for the purposes of this Schedule, if such lot is delivered to the buyer
within two days after the first shipment of the lot is so delivered.
(Executive Order 8734)

These amendments shall become effective October 3, 1941.

Issued this 1st day of October, 1941.

LEON HENDERSON
ADMINISTRATOR

CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL

JOHN E. HAMM
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR

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For Immediate Release
October 3, 1941

Amendment of the rayon grey goods price schedule to modify a regulation which
night impose a hardship on the originators of new weaves of cloth was announced

today by the Office of Price Administration,

Until now, the schedule required that sales contracts contain full details of
the construction of each fabric sold, whether or not covered by maximum prices. As
amended, this requirement will apply only to the fabrics specifically named in the
schedule.

Disclosure to buyers of the make-up of new cloths in sales contracts, accord
ing to manufacturers, provided an easy means for competitors to obtain information
that would permit imitation. Thus the originators would be deprived of style
advantage.

The amended regulations still require manufacturers to keep full records of
the production, prices and constructions of all fabrics included in the schedule,
as well as to report similar information to OPA each month on fabrics not under the
ceiling, if made in quantities exceeding 25,000 yards a month. These reports, it
is stipulated, must be filed even though the fabrics were not sold "in the grey",
or unfinished state, but were further processed by the manufacturer.
As a result of numerous inquiries, Mr. Henderson itemised the schedule's reporting requirements in the following clarifying statement to the trade:

1, Weavers will keep full records of all transactions, of all production, and

of the details of manufacture of every fabric produced.

2. Weavers will submit to OPA, on forms provided for that purpose, reports
showing the volume of production and full details of manufacture ofevery fabric
not under the ceiling, if it has been produced in quantities greater than 25,000
yards monthly. The highest prices at which such goods are sold during the month
covered are to be included in the form, These prices are to cover sales both for
immediate and for future delivery. Reports will be due from all producers, however, whether the goods are sold in the greige or not, Where such fabrics are not
sold in the grey state, this should be indicated on the report forms instead of

listing the highest selling prices.
3. Invoices on all shipments of rayon grey goods must carry a style number
or symbol which identifies the fabric in such a way that it refers to the weaver's
records of the details of its manufacture. Sales contracts on fabrics covered by
the ceiling must carry full details of manufacture.
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Price Schedule No. 23 - Rayon Grey Goods is hereby amended

by substituting the words "Office of Price Administration for the words
"Office of Price Administration and Civilian Supply" wherever they appear
in the Schedule and by amending Sections 1337.14, 1337.15 and 1337.16

thereof to read as follows: 20 at Tectoria saterlougs
1337.14. Records. (a) Every person making purchases or sales of
rayon grey goods after August 25. 1941, whether or not of the constructions
enumerated in Appendix A hereof, shall keep for inspection by the Office of

Price Administration for a period of not less than 1 year: (1) complete and
accurate records of each each purchase or sale, showing the date thereof, the

name and address of the buyer or seller, the price paid or received and the

quantity in yards of each construction purchased or sold; and (11) copies of
each contract of sale and invoice or similar document containing the details

required in Section 1337.15 hereof. derico
(b) Every manufacturer of rayon grey goods shall keep for inspection

by the Office of Price Administration for a period of not less than 1 year CODE

plete and accurate records setting forth: (1) a full description of each construction of rayon grey goods whether or not of the constructions enumerated

in Appendix A, manufactured or sold, including (1) the width, specifying whether

in or off the loom, (2) the cloth count, i.e., the number of ends and picks per

inch, specifying whether in or off the loom, and (3) a full description of the
yarn both in the warp and in the filling, specifying in each case the denier
and number of filanente, the process by which nade, the twist or combination, if

any, and, if a blend, the percentages of each type of yarn so blended; and (ii)
the quantity in yards of each construction of rayon grey goods, whether or not
of the constructions enunerated in Appendix A, produced during each calendar

month. to 002110 add can EAST

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EDITIO MINIAMO
(Executive Order No. 8734.)

1337.15. Details Required in Contract of Sale and Invoice. (a)
Every seller of rayon grey goods of the constructions enumerated in Appendix

A shall, with respect to each sale thereof, deliver to the purchaser a con-

tract of sale which shall contain, in addition to the terms thereof, a full
description of each construction of rayon grey goods sold, including (1) the

width, specifying whether in or off the loom, (11) the cloth count, i.c., the
number of ends and picks per inch, specifying whether in or off the loon, and

(iii) a full description of the yarn both in the warp and in the filling,
specifying in each case the denier and number of filaments, the process by

which made, the twist or combination, if any, and, if a blend, the percentages of each type of yarn so blended.

(b) With each delivery of rayon grey goods, whether or not of the
constructions enunerated in Appendix A, there shall be transmitted to the pur
chaser an invoice or similar document which shall contain n style number or

symbol sufficient to identify in the manufacturer's records maintained pursuant to Section 1337.14 hereof, the details of each construction 80 delivered,
(Executive Order No. 8734.)

1337.16. Reports. On or before October 10, 1941, and on or before
the 10th day of each month thereafter, every manufacturer of rayon grey goods

shall submit to the Office of Price Administration a report on Form 123:1

setting forth in the detail required by the Form all the constructions of rayce
grey goods, other than the constructions enunerated in Appendix A, manufacture

by such person in quantities in excess of 25,000 yards per month, and the
highest prices at which each such construction was sold, both for innediate an

future dolivery, if sold during such month. Such reports shall be submitted
even although the rayon grey goods 80 manufactured were not sold in the grey

state but were further processed by the manufacturer thereof. Copies of Form

123:1 can be procured from the Office of Price Administration.

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3.

(Executive Order No. 8734.)
This anendment shall become effective October 3, 1941.

Issued this 2nd day of October, 1941

Certified to be a true copy
of the original
John E. Hann,

Deputy Administrator

Loon Henterson,

Administrator

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Since the average closing price of "spot" cotton on October a was 17.01 cell
a pound, or 102 points above the 15.99-cent #base", the maximum prices for 20's
of October 3 were 39 cents for singles and 43 cents for plied, or one cent a pound
above the #base prices".

It is stipulated that carded yarn ceiling prices automatically established
by application of the formula shall not change until the day after "spot" cotton
closing prices show a 443-point fluctuation.
The maximum "base prices" set for carded yarn are 3 cents a pound below the
corresponding numbers of combed yarn. However, more cotton is wasted in the production of combed yarn. Hence, the revised schedule for that type, now being pre
pared, will provide for upward and downward revisions of maximum combed yarn price
on changes of something less than 442 points in raw cotton prices.

The first announcement that ceiling prices would be set for carded cotton yan
said that this would be done by amending the combed cotton yarn schedule, rather
than y issuing a separate schedule. Subsequent adoption of the new price formula
however, made this impractical.
Normally, carded yarn, excepting certain special grades, sells below equivale
counts of combed yarn. Since the latter product has been subject to a schedule of
maximum prices this normal differential has narrowed considerably and in some instances has disappeared. The result has been disturbing both to sellers and users
of carded yarns.

The new schedule, which was drawn up after consultation with a committee o.
carded yarn spinners drawn from the Cotton Textile Adivsory Panel, establishes a
differential between combed and carded yarn prices reflecting an appropriate re-

lationship. At the same time, through use of the new formula, yarn trading will
not be disturbed by changes in cotton prices.
Both combed and carded cotton yarns are produced from raw, clean cotton and,

up to a certain point, are made by the same manufacturing process. In the final
stages, however, combed yarn is put through an additional process which removes

the short cotton fibres, leaving only the longer fibres. This results in a

stronger yarn of fine quality, suitable for weaving of fine broadcloths, lawns, dimities,etc., and for use in the production of higher grade net goods. Combed year
also is used by women's hosiery mills and by lace, knitting and thread manufacture
Carded yarn finds a much wider variety of uses, such as in the weaving of pris
cloths and sheetings and in the manufacture of carpets and rugs, twine, wire insulation men's socks, and underwear.
Yarn "numbers" indicate the diameter of the yarn, with the coarser diameters
represented by low numbers and the finer counts by high numbers. As the name is-

plies, "single" refers to yarn of a single strand, while "plied" is yarn of two
or more strands.

Like the combed yarn schedule, the new carded yarn ceiling applies only to
yarn for sale and not to the yarns produced for use within the manufacturer's OWN
plant. Sales for export are exempted from the schedule,

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It is provided that once a contract has been made in conformity with the
schedule it shall be completed at the stipulated price, irrespective of any
changes in the ceilings that may occar because of fluctuations in raw cotton
between the date of the contract and the date of delivery.
Deliveries under contracts made before the carded yarn ceiling becomes

effective are to be carried out at prices correlated in the schedule to the
"spot" cotton price on the day before the contract was entered into.
The schedule covers only carded yarn of ordinary commercial quality. About
10% of the total production of carded yarn is made up of certain special types.
These yarns, the schedule indicates, should sell at the customary differential
below or above the prices set for ordinary commercial grades.

Conferences to fix specific differentials for special yarne will be held
shortly with yarn maxufacturers, It is pointed out that, under the established
policy of OPA, deliveries of such yarn, once the differentials have been fixed,
will not be permitted at higher than ceiling prices, regardless of consitments
to the contrary.

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TITLE 32 - NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Part 1307 - Raw Materials for Cotton Textiles
Price Schedule No. 33 - Carded Cotton Yarns

TO

From August 1940 to May 1941 the prices of cotton yarns and cotton textiles
were marked by an inflationary rise. To check this advance, the Office of Price
Administration issued a schedule of maximum prices for combed yarns in May 1941,
and a schedule for six leading types of cotton grey goods in June 1941. It was
the aim of the Office of Price Administration in taking these measures to bring
about an appropriate adjustment of prices for related products in the cotton tex-

tile field to those set forth in the schedules for combed yarn and cotton grey

goods. Carded yarns, however, which normally sell for several cents less per

pound than combed yarns are now commanding prices as high, and in some instances

higher, than the ceiling prices established for combed yarns. This dislocation
in the price structure of the textile industry is injurious to national defense

and to the civilian economy.

Accordingly, under the authority vested in me by Executive Order No. 8734, it
is hereby directed that:
1307.51 Maximum Prices for Carded Cotton Yarn.

(a) On and after the applicable ceiling date (as set forth in Appendix A,

incorporated herein as Section 1307.60), except as provided in Section 1307.51 (b)

hereof, no person shall sell, offer to sell, deliver, or transfer carded cotton

yarn for commercial use, and no person shall buy, offer to buy, or accept delivery
of carded cotton yarn for commercial use, at prices higher than the maximum prices
set forth in Appendix A.

(b) The maximum prices established by this Schedule are not applicable to

sales, offers to sell, deliveries, or transfers of carded cotton yarn which is to
be exported outside the territory of the United States, its territories or posses-

sions, regardless of whether such export is to be effected through a middleman;
provided, however, that carded cotton yarn sold or delivered for such export shall

not subsequently be sold or delivered for use within the United States, its territories or possessions, at a price higher than the applicable maximum established

by this Schedule.

*Sections 1307.51 to 1307.60 issued pursuant to the
authority contained in Executive Order No. 8734.

1307.52 Less Than Maximum Prices. Lower prices than those set forth in Appendix A may be charged, demanded, paid, or offered.

.

1307.53 Evasion. The price limitations set forth in this Schedule shall not
be evaded whether by direct indirect methods in connection with a purchase, sale,

or
transfer
of
cotton
alone
or
in
any
delivery,
carded
or
yarn,
conjunction
other
with
charge,
other
material, or by of service, transportation, or

or
or
or
by
tying-agreement
or
discount,
premium,
way any other commission, privilege,
other trade
understanding or otherwise.

1307.54 Records and Reports. Every person making purchases or sales of
carded cotton yarn for commercial use after October 5, 1941, shall keep for in-

spection by the Office of Price Administration for a period of not less than one

year, complete and accurate records of (a) each such purchase or sale, showing

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the date thereof, the name and address of the buyer or the seller, the price paid
or received, the quantity in pounds, and the specifications of the carded cotton
yarn sold or purchased, and (b) the quantity of carded cotton yarn (1) on hand,
and (2) on order, as of the close of each calendar month.
Persons affected by this Schedule shall submit such reports to the Office of
Price Administration as it may, from time to time, require.
1307.55 Affirmations of Compliance. On or before November 10, 1941, and on
or before the 10th day of each month thereafter, every person who during the preceding calendar month has purchased or sold, whether for immediate or future de-

livery, or delivered or accepted delivery of carded cotton yarn for commercial use,
shall submit to the Office of Price Administration an affirmation of compliance on
Form 133:1, containing a sworn statement that during such month all such purchases,
sales, or deliveries were made at prices in compliance with this Schedule or with
any exception therato or modification thereof. Copies of Form 133:1 can be procured
from the Office of Price Administration, or, provided that no change is made in the
style and content of the Form and that it is reproduced on 8x10-1/2" paper, they
may be prepared by persons required to submit affirmations of compliance hereunder.

1307.56 Enforcement. In the event of refusal or failure to abide by the
price limitations, record requirements, or other provisions of this Schedule, or
in the event of any evasion or attempt to evade the price limitations or other provisions of this Schedule, the Office of Price Administration will make every effort
to assure (a) that the Congress and the public are fully informed thereof, and (b)
that the powers of the Government are fully exerted in order to protect the public

interest and the interests of those persons who comply with this Schedule. Persons
who have evidence of the offer, receipt, demand, or payment of prices higher than
the maximum prices, or of any evasion or effort to evade the provisions hereof, or
of speculation, or manipulation of prices of carded cotton yarn, or of the hoarding
or accumulating of unnecessary inventories thereof, are urged to communicate with
the Office of Price Administration.
1307.57 Modification of the Schedule. Persons complaining of hardship or
inequity in the operation of this Schedule may apply to the Office of Price Administration for approval of any modification thereof or exception therefrom.

1307.58 Definitions. When used in this Schedule, the term
"person"
means an individual, partnership, association, corporation, or
other (a)
business
entity;
(b) "carded cotton yarn" means carded cotton yarn of the specifications for

which maximum prices are established in Appendix A;

(c) "for commercial use" means for any use or purpose except use by an individual buyer at retail for home or private consumption:

(d) "ceiling date" means the date, as specified in Appendix A, on which this
Schedule becomes effective with respect to any given yarn.
1307.59 Effective Date of the Schedule. This Schedule shall become effecti

October 6, 1941.

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141
1307.60 Appendix A. Maximum Prices for Carded Cotton Yarn.
(a) - Terms of Sale

The maximum prices set forth in this Appendix are prices for carded cotton
with freight prepaid to the purchaser's place of business, except that an
yarn
extra charge may be made to the extent that the cost of transportation exceeds one
cent per pound. The prices are Gross prices before discounts of any nature are
deducted and they include all commissions.
(b) - Determination of Maximum Price

The maximum price for any offer to buy or sell, sale or contract of sale, delivery or transfer of carded cotton yarn shall be determined from Paragraph (c) in
the following manner:
1/

(1) Offer to Buy or Sell - By the cotton spot price of the business day
immediately preceding that on which the offer was made except that, if the offering
price is not otherwise specified, an offer to buy or sell at the maximum price applicable on the day the contract of sale is to be made shall not be a violation of
the Schedule.

(2) Sale or Contract of Sale - By the cotton spot price of the business day
immediately preceding the day on which the sale or contract of sale is made, regardless of the maximum price applicable to the offer pursuant to which such sale
or contract is made.

(3) Delivery or Transfer - By the cotton spot price of the business day in-

Mediately preceding that on which the sale or contract of sale is made, regardless
of any change in the cotton spot price subsequent thereto. 2

1/ The term "cotton spot price" when used herein, means the average, published

daily by the United States Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Marketing
Service, of the price quotations for middling 15/16-inch cotton on ten designated spot markets.

2/

This method of determining the maximum price shall be used in connection with

deliveries and transfers pursuant to sales or contracts of sale made before,
as well as on or after, the applicable ceiling date.

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MAXIMUM PRICES

1907

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Group A - The
maximum prices are for white carded yarns of all twists from knitting to warp twist put up
conesfollowing
or
regular-sized
tubes or in skeins. Carded yarne of twists outside the above range: yarns in put-ups other

on

than the above; yarns with tensile specifications which cannot be mot with cotton used for ordinary commercial quality
combed yarne of the same counts: yarns with special constructions; yarns which have regularly sold at a premium because
they are specially inspected; and yarns of grades lower than ordinary commercial quality white yarn should not sell for
more than these maximum prices, appropriately increased or decreased by the normal trade differentials. This schedule

is to be supplemented by a list of fixed differentials for yarns in these classes to which all subsequent deliveries of
such yarns will be subject, regardless of the terms of any contract of sale in existence at the date of issuance of such
supplement.

Yara

14.21
to

Number

14.65

14.66

to
15.09

15.10
to

15.54

COTTON SPOT PRICES - CENTS PER POUND
15.55
16.44
15.99
16.88
17.33
to

15.98

10s
12s
14s
16s
18e
20s
24e
26s
30s
36s
38s
40s
50s

16.43

to

to

18.22

to

18.66

to

19.11

to

19.55

to

to

16.87

17.32

17.76

18.21

18.65

19.10

19.54

19.99

39

33

33.5

34

34.5

35

35.5

36

33.5

34.5

36.5

37

34

36

37

34.5

36.5

38.5

34

35.5

37.5

38

35

38

35

35.5

37.5

36.5

38.5

39

36

34.5

37.5

39.5

37

38

35.

35:5

39

36

37

38

39

36

36.5

38.5

37

37.5

38

39

40

36

36.5

39.5

40.5

35.5

38.5

39.5

40

35

35.5

37.5

39.5

40

36.5

38.5

41

37

37.5

38

39

41

38

40.5
41.5
42.5
44.5
47.5
48.5
49.5
57.5

41

41.5
42.5
43.5
45.5
48.5
49.5

42

41

39.5
40.5
41.5
43.5

40

41.5

39

40.5
43.5
44.5
45.5
53.5

38.5
39.5
40.5
42.5

40.5

37

37.5
38.5
39.5
41.5

39.5

40

36

36.5
37.5
38.5

38.5

40.5

58

37
38

40
43

44
45
53

38
39

44
45
46
54

44.5
45.5
46.5
54.5

39

40

42
45

46
47
55

45.5
46.5
47.5
55.5

40
41

43
46

47

48
56

Plied
8e

17.77

to

CENTS PER POUND

Single
8s

to

41

42
44

46.5
47.5
48.5
56.5

57

47

48
49

42
43
45

48
49
50

43
44
46

49
50

50.5
58.5

59

51

37

37.5

38

38.5

39

39.5

40

38

38.5

40

40.5

42

41

41.5

39

39.5

40.5

41

37.5

42.5

43

38.5

42

38

39

39.5

40

40.5

41

42

42.5

43

39

39.5

40

40.5

41

42

43

44

40

40.5

41

41.5

42

43

39

39.5

42.5

43.5

16s

41.5

42.5

43.5

38.5

41.5

41.5

39.5

43

40

40.5

41

41.5

42

42.5

43.5

44

44.5

18s

42.5

43.5

44

43

43.5

44

44.5

45

44.5

45

45.5

10s
12s
14s

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Yarn

14.21

14.66

to

Number

14.65

15.10

to

15.55

to

15.09

15.54

to

15.98

to

to

to

16.43

to

17.32

16.87

18.22

to

17.76

18.66

to

18.21

18.65

19.11

19.55

to

to

to

19.10

19.54

19.99

C E NTS PER POUND

Plied
20s

40

24s

41

26s

42

30s

44

36s

48

38s

49

40s

50

50s

COTTON SPOT PRICES - CENTS PER POUND cont.
16.44
15.99
16.88
17.77
17.33

58

40.5
41.5
42.5
44.5
48.5
49.5
50.5
58.5

41

42
43
45

49
50
51

59

41.5
42.5
43.5
45.5
49.5
50.5
51.5
59.5

42
43
44
46
50
51
52

6c

42.5
43.5
44.5
46.5
50.5
51.5
52.5
60.5

43
44

45
47
51

52
53
61

43.5
44.5
45.5
47.5
51.5
52.5
53.5
61.5

44
45

46
48

52
53
54

62

44.5
45.5
46.5
48.5
52.5
53.5
54.5
62.5

45
46
47
49
53
54
55

63

(d) - Ceiling Date
The maximum prices established herein become effective, with

respect to yarn of the types listed in Paragraph (c), Group A, on
October 6, 1941, which shall constitute the ceiling date for that

Group.

Issued this 3rd day of October, 1941.
/s/

Leon Henderson
Leon Henderson

Administrator

Certified to be a true copy of the original.
John E. Hamm

Deputy Administrator

45.5
46.5
47.5
49.5
53.5
54.5
55.5
63.5

46
47

48
50
54
55
56
64

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143

Office of Price Administration
of
otober 4, 1941

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Methanol made from wood, commonly known as wood alcohol. a basic industrial

chemical that has advanced sharply in prices while markets for synthetic methanol

have held firm at much lower levels, is brought under a uniform ceiling at 60 cents
gailon, delivered East of the Mississippi, in a price schedule announced today by
Leon Henderson. West of the Mississippi a maximum price of 63 cents is set.

This is the fourth price schedule issued by OPA in the chemical field, the other
covering formaldehyde, a derivative of methanol; ethyl alcohol, and acetic acid. Mr.

Henderson said that maximum prices would be imposed on other industrial chemicals in

the near future.

In previous years, prices of wood alcohol have been largely governed by the
price of synthetic methanol, which is competitive for most uses. However, with demand greatly stimulated by the defense program, wood alcohol markets recently have
become disordered. Prices quoted publicly during the third quarter showed advances
of 25% or more and large sales have been made at prices far above any published

figure. The usual differentials for grades, quantity purchases, freight zones, etc.

have been widely ignored. Speculation has made its appearance and there are indicay
tions that excess inventories have been accumulated.

In contrast to the inflationary situation in wood alcohol, synthetic methanol
prices have held steady at 30 cents a gallon during the first three quarters of 1941
and the largest producer has announced a reduction of two cents a gallon for the
fourth quarter. This producer and the three other companies responsible for virtually
the entire United States output of synthetic methanol have agreed with the Office of

Price Administration not to raise prices without at least 30 days' advance notice to

OPA.

Under these circumstances it is not considered necessary to establish maximum

prices for synthetic methanol at this time, but it is obvious that a price ceiling
for wood alcohol is essential.

The new schedule, which covers all transactions in containers of 50 gallons or
more, four sets a maximum price of 60 cents a gallon, delivered in tank car lots, for the
principal grades of wood alcohol sold East of the Mississippi River. West of thMississippi 3 cents a gallon may be added to the base ceiling price.

carload
in drums or other containers,the
When
sales
in
any
territory
are
made
in
quantities
schedule allows the addition of 6 cents a gallon. In the case of lessthan-carload sales in drums or other containers 16 cents may be added.

The four grades named in Denaturing, Pure, 95% and 97% The

shall all thereof, it is stipulated.

Sworn percentage statements
designations
of include the
schedule
a are: proximations
schedule.
compliance
with the maximum
prices
are required
by the

Methyl alcohol (methanol) is an essential industrial chemical used as an antifreeze and in the manufacture of formaldehyde, denatured alcohol, paints, varnishes,
enamels, and numerous other products.

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CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION
PART 1335 - CHEMICALS

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Price Schedule No. 34 - Wood Alcohol

Methyl alcohol is an essential chemical which is used as an anti-freese and in
the manufacture of formaldehyde, denatured alcohol, paints, varnishes, enamels and

many other products. Most methyl alcohol is produced synthetically. The remainder, herein referred to as "wood alcohol", is produced by the distillation of
wood.

As a result of conditions engendered by the national defense program, the demand for methyl alcohol has increased sharply, causing a shortage of supply. A
steep rise in the prices of the various grades of wood alcohol has occurred. The
price of the denaturing grade, representing approximately one-half of the wood
alcohol production, increased from 45 cents per gallon for tank car quantities in

the second quarter of 1941 to 60 cents per gallon in the third quarter. Substantial
transactions have taken place at even higher prices. Such a price movement
threatens to create an unsound market in wood alcohol and also to dislocate the

market for synthetic methyl alcohol. Producers of the latter product have refrained from increasing its price. The largest producer, in fact, has announced a
price reduction in recent weeks. It is therefore unnecessary at this time to establish maximum prices for synthetic methyl alcohol.

After investigation and conferences with representatives of the methyl alcohol
industry, the Office of Price Administration has found that, under existing conditions, there is no justifiable reason for prices of wood alcohol in excess of 60

cents per gallon for tank car quantities. Further increases in price would, there
fore, be inflationary.
Accordingly, under the authority vested in me by Executive Order 8734, it is

hereby directed that:

1335:251 Maximum Prices for Wood Alcohol. On and after October 10, 1941, re-

gardless of the terms of any contract of sale or purchase, or other commitment, no

person shall sell, offer to sell, deliver or transfer, wood alcohol in containers
of 50 gallons or more, and no person shall buy, offer to buy. or accept delivery of
wood alcohol in containers of 50 gallons or more, at prices higher than the maximum
prices set forth in Appendix A, incorporated herein as Section 1335.259
1335.252 Less than Maximum Prices. Lower prices than those set forth in
Appendix A may be charged, demanded, paid or offered.*

1335.253 Evasion. The price limitations set forth in this Schedule shall not

be evaded whether by direct or indirect methods in connection with a purchase, sale,
delivery, or transfer of wood alcohol, alone or in conjunction with any other mater.
ial, or by way of any commission, service, transportation, or other charge, or discount, premium, or other privilege, or by tying-agreement or other trade understanding, or by alteration of formula or grades of wood alcohol, or otherwise.*
1335.254 Records and Reports. Every person making purchases or sales of wood

alcohol in containers of 50 gallons or more after October 10. 1941 shall keep for
inspection by the Office of Price Administration for a period of not less than one
year, complete and accurate records of each such purchase or sale, showing the

date thereof, the name and address of the buyer or the seller, the price paid or

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received, and the specifications and quantity, including the size of the containers,

of the wood alcohol purchased or sold.

Persons affected by this Schedule shall submit such reports to the Office of
Price Administration as it may, from time to time, require.*
1335.255 Affirmations of Compliance. On or before November 10, 1941, and on
or before the 10th day of each month thereafter, every person who, during the preceding calendar month, has sold wood alcohol in containers of 50 gallons or more,

whether for immediate of future/delivery, shall submit to the Office of Price Administration an affirmation of compliance on Form 134:1, containing a sworn statement that during such month all such sales were made at prices in compliance with

this Schedule or with any exception or modification thereof. Copies of Form 134:1
can be procured from the Office of Price Administration, or, provided that no change
is made in the style and content of the Form and that it is reproduced on 8 I 10
paper, they may be prepared by persons required to submit affirmations of compliance

hereunder.*

1335.256 Inforcement In the event of refusal or failure to abide by the
price limitations, report requirements, or other provisions of this Schedule, or
in the event of any evasion or attention to evado the price limitations or other provisions of this Schedule, the Office of Frice Administration will make every effort
to assure (a) that the Congress and and public are fully informed thereof, (b) that
the powers of the Government are rully exarted in order to protect the public

interest and the interests of those persons who comply with this Schedule, and (c)
that the procurement services of the government are requested to refrain from purchasing wood alcohol from those persons who fail to comply with this Schedule. Persons who have evidence of the offer, receipt, demand or payment of prices higher
than the maximum prices, or of any evasion or effort to evade the provisions hereof,
or of speculation, or manipulation of prices of wood alcohol, or of the hoarding or
accumulating of unnecessary inventories thereof, are urged to communicate with the

Office of Price Administration.

1335.257 Modification of the Schedule. Persons complaining of hardship or
inequity in the operation of this Schedule may apply to the Office of Price
Administration for approval of any modification thereof or exception therefrom.
1335.258 Definitions. When used in this Schedule, the term
(a) "person" means an individual, partnership, association, corpora-

tion, or other business entity;

(b) "wood alcohol" means the various grades of methyl alcohol of
wood origin listed in Appendix A hereof.*

*Sections 1335.251 to 1335.259, inclusive, issued pursuant to authority contained

in Executive Order No. 8734.

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1335.259 APPENDIX A
MAXINUM PRICES FOR WOOD ALCOHOL

The following maximum prices are established for wood alcohol:
I.

Tank Cars

East of the Mississippi River
Denaturing Grade

Pure Methyl Alcohol
95% Methyl Alcohol
97% Methyl Alcohol**

60 cents per gallon, delivered
60 cents per gallon, delivered
60 cents per gallon, delivered
60 cents per gallon, delivered

West of the Mississippi Riyer

Maximum prices for tank car quantities in territory west of the

Mississippi River are determined by adding 3 cents per gallon to the maximum prices

established above for tank cars in territory east of the Mississippi River.
II. Drums and other containers, Carload Quantities

Maximum prices for drums and other containers, in carload quantities, in
territory east or west of the Mississippi River, are determined by adding 6 cents
per gallon to the maximum prices established for tank cars in the respective territory by Paragraph I of this Appendix.

III. Drums and other containers, Less than Carload Quantities,
Maximum prices for drums and other containers, in less than carload quantities
in territory east or west of the Mississippi River, are determined by adding 16
cents per gallon to the maximum price established for tank cars in the respective

territory by paragraph I of this Appendix.
Issued this 3rd day of October, 1941.

Leon Henderson

Administrator
CERTIFIED TO ME A TRUE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL

John E. Hamm, Deputy Administrator

** Specifically designated percentages include all approximations thereof.

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PM 1313

TITLE 32 - NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER XI - OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

Part 1316 - Cotton Textiles
Amendment to Price Schedule No. 11 - Cotton Gray Goods

Section 1316.7 (a) (2) is hereby amended in part, as follows:
1316.7 Schedule of Maximum Prices

(a) Marimum Prices for Cotton Gray Goods

(2) Group II. a
Type of Cloth

Price per yard, f.o.b.
seller's point of shipment

Combed Lawns

9-3/44
10-3/4c

36" - 76x72
36" - 68x80
40" - 68x56
40" - 72x68
40" - 76x72
40" - 86x80
40" - 96x92
40" - 96x100
40" - 106x112
45" - 76x72
45" - 88x80

9$

10d

10-1/44
11-1/44
12-7/8#

13-1/2# 4
16-3/8
11-7/84
12-7/8#

4/ For combed lawns of the construction 40" 96x100 which most United
States Marine Corps specifications for Rubberized Poncho (adopted May
10, 1938, corrected to December 30, 1940). a premium of 3/4 per yard
may be charged.

(Executive Order No. 8734, 8875, 6 F.R. 1917, 4483)

Effective October 4th, 1941.
Issued this 4th day of October, 1941.
(Sgd.)

Leon Henderson
Leon Henderson

Administrator

CERTIFIED TO BE A TRUE COPY
OF THE ORIGINAL

(Sgd.) John E. Hamm

John E. Hamm, Deputy Administrator

OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION

For Sunday AM's
October 5, 1941

PM 1313

The high quality demanded by the United States Marine Corps in cotton

cloth used in making rubberized ponchos for troops is recognized in an
amendment to the cotton grey goods price schedule announced today by Leon

Henderson, administrator, Office of Price Administration.
The schedule has been amended so that a premium of 3/4-cent a yard

may be added to the ceiling price of 13 cents a yard for 40-inch combed
lawn, 96 x 100, meeting the specifications for Marine Corps poncho material.
The premium is intended to cover the higher costs involved in making this

grade of goods. Marine Corps requirements call for high-tensile strength
and complete absence of imperfections.

++++++

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October s, 1941.

Dear Pet

1 have your letter about Count R. N.
Goudenhove-Kalezgi and shall be glad to see

his again. I have put down as appointment
for 3:00 p.m., Monday, October 13th, and if

he will be is Washington then, I shall be able

to talk with him. Unless I hear to the centrary,
I shall consider this a definite engagement.

Affectionately,
(Signed) Henry

Mr. Henry Morgenthen,
1133 Fifth Avenue,
New York, New York.

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monday 3 pm

149
HENRY MORGENTHAU
1133 FIFTH AVENUE

gloy a see
again

NEW YORK CITY

September 19, 1941

Ny dear Henry:

ask the mom

Count Coudenhove Kalergi called on
me today and explained to me that he wrote a let-

ter to the President of which I enclose you a
copy. He feels that it would be very useful and
important if right now, "A Government in Exile"
were established for Austria in the United States.
He says, in his opinion, it is very essential to
do so before the war is decided. He thinks that
the United States should withdraw their de facto
recognition of Austrian annexation. He would appreciate it highly if you would give him the privilege of calling on you in Washington. He says
the moment you will let him know that you will see
him on a fixed date, he will go up there.

You probably will remember meeting
him. He is the gentleman who is at the head of

the Pan European movement. (His mother was a Japan-

ese). I have seen quite a little of him, and find
in extremely intelligent and energetic.
With best love,
Yours

Pa

150
New York, September 1st, 1941
to

To the President of the United States
Franklin D. Roosevelt,
hite House,

ashington,H.C.

Tear Mr. President,

:

Deeply impressed by the high

moral principles of your Atlantic Charter, I venture
to submit to you and to Prime-Minister inston Churchill
Menopandium examining the problems of Austrias Independence in the light of these great principles.
The withdrewel of the de facto recognition of
Austrias minexation, and the reco nition of this no-

tion's independence by the two great Democracies would

be halled by the entire world as a first practical

step toward the execution of your Atlantic TO
Should ou be ready to consider the suggestions of

this enorendius, I would take the initiative toward the
constitution of a National Council for Austria, to
achieve in closest contact with the governments of the
n,lish-creaking Democracies the final liberation and

resurrection of Austria.-

Respectfully yours,

Count R.N. Coudenhove-Halergi,

President of the Pan Europa Union.

151

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE October 8, 1941.
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Mr. Dietrich

CONFIDENTIAL

Registered sterling transections of the reporting banks were as follows:
Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns

£ 64, .000
£178,000

Of the letter amount, £150,000 were bought from the Singer Seving Machine Company.

Open market sterling held steady at 4.03-1/2. The only reported transaction

consisted of £2,000 sold to a commercial concern.

The Uruguayan free peso again improved 1/2 to close at 4600. One of the New
York banks expressed the belief that the current strength in the Uruguayan peso has
been due mainly to a small transfer of funds from Argentina to Uruguay.

In New York, closing quotations for the foreign currencies listed below were
as follows:

Canadian dollar

11-3/81 discount

Argentine peso (free)

.2345
.0505

Colombian peso
Mexican peso

.5775
.2070
.5775

Cuban peso

1/16% discount

Brazilian milreis (free)
Venezuelan bolivar

There were no gold transactions consummated by us today.
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported that the Bank of Canada shipped

$3,337,000 in gold from Canada to the Federal for account of the Government of
Canada, for sale to the New York Assay Office.

In Lonion, spot and forward silver were again fixed at 23-1/2d and 23-7/16d
respectively. The U.S. equivalents were 42.67$ end 42.55.
The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was unchanged at 35d. Handy
and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was also unchanged at 34-3/44.
He made no silver purchase today.

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--

The report of October 1, received from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,

giving foreign exchange positions of banks and bankers in its district, revealed
that the total position of all countries was short the equivalent of $5,077,000,
an increase of $592,000 in the short position since September 24. Net changes were
as follows:

Short Position
Country
England**
Europe
Canada

Latin America
Japan

Other Asia

All others
Total

September 24

$ 272,000 (Long)
2,615,000

162,000 (Long)
46,000 (Long)
310,000

2,093,000

53,000 (Long)
$4,485,000

Short Position
October 1

$ 70,000 (Long)
2,553,000
20,000 (Long)
65,000
340,000

2,279,000
70,000 (Long)
$5,077,000

Change in

Short Position*
+ $202,000

- 62,000
+ 142,000
+ 111,000
+

+

186,000 30,000

- 17,000
+ $592,000

*Plus sign (+) indicates increase in short position, or decrease in long position.
Minus sign(-) indicates decrease in short position, or increase in long position.
**Combined position in registered and open market sterling.

CONFIDENTIAL

153
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

PERSONAL

October 8, 1941

Dear Mr. Secretary:

I am afraid, as you will notice from
the attached clipping from yesterday's

Times, that the very thing I feared has
happened.

Yours sincerely,

Lauchlin Currie

Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.

Chungking Is Encouraged

CHUNGKING, China, Oct. 6 UP

-Commenting today on visits of

United States, British and Netherlands Indies representatives, For-

sign Minister Quo Tai-chi said
"they indicate increasing coopera.

tion in various fields among the
A. B. C. D. [American, British,
Chinese and Dutch] powers, and
China is gratified."

Dr. Henry F. Grady, President
Roosevelt's special Far Eastern
economic representative, and J. G.

Mulder, trade envoy from the
Netherlands Indies, already have

arrived in China, and Brig. Gen.
John Magruder, head of a military
lease-lend mission, is scheduled to

arrive tomorrow from Hong Kong.
Mr. Quo also announced arrange-

ments to receive a British-American economic mission headed by
Sir Otto E. Niemeyer and Merle
Cochran.

155
PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Consulate General, Hong Kong,
Via N.R.

DATE: October 8, 1941, 5 p.m.
NO.: 403
THE FOLLOWING IS STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL.
FOR THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY FROM FOX.

I conour that all of the members of the Board reast
unfavorably to the Department's (?) plan. The feeling
of the Chinese members of the Board is especially strong,

particularly with regard to the relegation of the central
bank and the broadening of the other cooperating banks'
powers.

The Chinese members regard this plan as a reversal

of the policy and position taken by the United States and,
as such, is considered to be a serious matter. Their position is briefly summarized as follows:

1. It is usually considered as an unfriendly act to
freese the assets of a foreign country. In the present
instant, the freezing of assets of a foreign country has
been employed as a friendly gesture to aid China. The

new plan would mullify the benefits of freezing to China.

2. Certain foreign institutions are granted general
license status in license No. 59. Some of these foreign
institutions are not really considered as banks. However,
Chinese commercial banks of recognized standing are not

included in this group.
3. Under the

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3. Under the new plan, all "cooperating" banks
are extended the special powers which are granted to the
Government of China and 188 Gentral Bank in License No. 60.

The Central Bank may not be equipped to moot the full

responsibility which is imposed on it in Canton. However,
before the Central Bank has been tested, similar powers
would be granted to a large member of institutions which
have not been tested.

4. There is resentment among the Chinese due to
point 2 (above) which would be heightened by point 3.

they feel that 18 was a step to strengthen the foreign
banks at the Chinese banks' expense.

5. The granting of the same status as that of the
Central Bank of China to other banks would constitute a

show of distrust as well as a lack of confidence by the
United States. This action would be taken as an admission
to the world that a aistake had been made by the United
States. Action of this type would cause the Government
of China "to lose face". The Chinese Government would

also be placed in a situation which would be most usbearable.

6. Tantamount so passing the Board into the
Banking business, the new plan is impractical and places

part of the functions of the Central Bank in the Board.
In effect, the Board would become the banker's bank.
The Board would no doubt be called upon to do many of
these

157
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these things which are ordinarily done by a central
bank.

Hall-Patch hesitated to express his opinion satil
after the arrival and discussion of the satter with
Coehrea and Hienoyer. However, confidentially, Hall-Patch
stated that the "plan was bound to cause difficulties and
appeared to be 111-considered".

Furthermore, Hall-Patch stated that a few essage is
the plan were apparent, such as the following:

(1) The new plan would mean as unfreesing of all of
the balances of the Chinese.
(2) The plan is a radical change from the procedure
of July 96. Considerable confusion would be the result

of any attempt to put is into operation.
(3) By the virtual elimination of general license
No. 60, the plan would arouse strong opposition is
Chungking.

(4) Technically, Hall-Patch thought that the plan,
should 11 be put into effect, would create a big dollar
drain on the resources of the Board which are located in
Hong Kong.

The statement was Hall-Patch, with regard
to the Banque Belge, the (1) Tientein branch had
positively had record, and (2) even the present time
the bank is controlled free Brussels.
10

This is the end of the Message. The foregoing is a
a paraphrase of the original message.

SOUTHARD

158
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

October 8, 1941.

Sir:

Attention: Mr. Frank Dietrich.
We enclose for your files a copy of cable

No. 3 dated October 8, 1941, received by us from
the Stabilization Board of China, Hong Kong and a

copy of our cable No. 2 to the Stabilization Board
of China. Hong Kong.

Respectfully,

(Signed) D. J. Cameron
D. J. Cameron,
Manager, Foreign Department.

The Honorable,

The Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
Enc.

159

COPY

OUTGOING CARLEGRAM

October 8. 1941

The Stabilization Board of China
Hongkong

No. 2

We have appropriated cipher "ZAHIG" to have
the following meaning

"United States Dollar-Chinese Yuan Stabilization Fund of China. Special Account" STOP
Your number 3. Payment made by debit of United States
Dollar-Chinese Yuan Stabilization Fund of China,

Special Account. In your future instructions please
specify this account.
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK

160

COPY

INCOMING CABLEGRAM

October 8. 1941

Hongkong, October 8. 1941
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
New York
No. 3

Charge our account and pay National City Bank of the

City of New York U.S. dollars 1,150,000 for account of National
City Bank of the City of New York Shanghai branch office.

Stabilization Board of China

COPY:1c:8/9/41

161

CABLE
To: Federal Reserve Bank of N. Y.

From: Stabilization Board of China
Hong Kong

Date: October 8, 1941

#3.

Charge our account and pay National City Bank of the City of
New York U. S. Dollars 1,150,000 for account of National City Bank
of the City of New York, Shanghai Branch Office.

(Signed)

Stabilization Board of China

TEST OK

(Rec'd. by phone from Fed.Res.Bk. of N.Y., 11:30 am, Oct.8/41-ek)

NOTE: Cable states "Charge our account" and signed stabilization
Board of China, whereas the $20,000,000 is held in the

account entitled "U. S. Dollar-Chinese Yuan Stabilization
Fund of China, Special Account."

(init.) F. D.

162

October s, 1941

Mr. State Department

TO:

FROMS v. 7. Gee
SUBJECT: Cable to West

will you please transmit the attached cable for
Secretary Morgenthau.

Original to State by special messenger 10/8/41
from Mr. Coe's office.
VFCsies

10/8/41

163

COPY

October s, 1941
AMERICAN EMBASSY
LONDON

FOR AMBASSADOR WINANT FROM THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

Referring to your 4348 of September 17 Treasury is informed
by Cox of Land Lease that the Land Lease Administration is

setting up machinery in Washington for dealing with difficult
cases on exports

Initialled by
the Secretary (HNS)

Orig. sent to State 10/8/41

VFCTien

10/8/41

164
BRITISH EMBASSY,
WASHINGTON, D.C.

October 8th, 1941.

PERSONAL

AND SECRET

Degr Mr. Secretary,

I enclose herein for your
personal and secret information

copies of the latest reports
received from London on the

military situation.
Believe me,

Dear Mr. Secretary,

Very sincerely yours,
Honourable

Korgenthau, Jr.,
nited States Treasury,
Isshington, D. C.

Halifax

165

TELEGRAM FROM LONDON DATED OCTOBER 6th, 1941,

Reference telegram of October 5th.
Seven 3wordfish attacked convoy of six

shipe northeast of Tripoli (L): one ship estimated
3,000 tons, one ship estimated 6,000 tons left in
sinking condition, one estimated 8,000 tons possibly
damaged. Believed one of the former sunk, reconnaissance next day showing one ship missing convoy.
H.M. Submarine sank torpedo boat GENERALI

2.

class northwest of Messina on September 27th. Another
of H.M. Submarines hit with torpedo medium size merchant

ship in convoy ascorted by destroyers north bound 4

miles west of .. (words omitted) .. Ttimo night 1st/
2nd October, result unobserved.
Reference telegram of September 30th;
3.
Submarine torpedood tanker LIRI which got into CROTONE;

sank 3050 ton ship off ORTONA; also sank by gunfire

pilot cutter, shore batterics compelled her withdrawal.
4.

H.M. Submarino on September 26th torpedoed

5,000 ton transport in the Aegean. on September 28th,
torpedoed large escorted marchant ship; result unobserved
On September 27th she also sank by gunfire CAIQUE full of

Italian soldiers.
5.

At Tobruk on October 3rd H.M. Trawler sunk

by bomba during air raid. British tarker TYNEFIELD 5856
tons mined and sunk Suoz Canal am. October 5th. Canal
probably reopened October 5th.
RATNAGIRI (R.I.N.) captured fully laden
6.
dhow off Berbera on October 5th on passage Madagasear

to Djibuti.
/ 7. Royal Air Force

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-

7.

Royal Air Force. October 5th. Few

fighter sweeps over northern France.
8.

Libya 3rd/4th. Bombers again attacked

harbours of Benghasi and Bardia and petrol dump near

latter.
9.

German Air Force. 5th/6th. Few enemy

aircraft operating.
10.
Cyprus. 3rd/4th. Enemy aircraft attacked
again; no damage or casualties reported.
11.
Russia. Finno-Cerman forces have taken
Petrosavodsk. German thrust developing north of Smolenak,
-Moseow railway and southeast from Dniepropetrovak bridgehead.

167

TELEGRAM FROM JAMPON DATED OCTOBER 7th 1941.

Near Eirkmes Russian submarine asnk

merchant vessel 5000 tone on October Sea and
torpedood motor torpedo boat and merchant vessel on
October 5th.
On September 26th British submarine top2.

pedood 5000 ton transport in Gulf of Athens, on
September 28th, large escorted merchant vessel in the

same vicinity. One hit obtained in each case results
unobserved owing to counter attacks. She also sank
by gunfire off Milo on September 27th CAIQUE carrying

Italian troope.
Night of October 4th/5th small British
3.
merchant vessel with Bauxite from Georgetown to

Trinidad sank owing to Internal explosions when east
of Trinidad. Sabotage suspected all drew saved.
During air attack over Suoz Camel on
4.
October 5th/6th British medium merchant vessel was
sunk at anchor southern end Gulf of Suos.
Royal Air Force. October 6th. Hurricanes
S.
of which one missing damaged two armed trawlers off
Ostend and probably sank third.
6.

Libra. October 4th/5th. Wellingtons

attacked Benghasi harbour; fire and explosion seen

on one ship. officers quarters at Benina aerodrome
hit and fires started near power station at Baree and
stores dump near Bardia.
7.

October 5th/6th. Piftson tons of bombs

dropped on Tripoli (L) setting fire to large oil tanker
and scoring hita or near misses on two merchant vessels.

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German Air Force, Cetobe 6th/7th.
Few enery aircraft operated.

8.

9.

Lives.

le

October 4th/5th. Tobruk bombed

for eight hours by about 50 aircraft.
10.
Malte October 4th/5th. Two aircraft
dropped bomba causing few civiliancasualties and slight
damage to property.

Smolonak Sector: No definite news.
Fighting continuos southwost of Kharkov. Germans
11.

progressing towards the Sea of Amor.

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MILITARY INTELLIGENCE DIVISION

TENTATIVE LESSONS BULLETIN

WAR DEPARTMENT

No. 165
G-2/2657-235

Washington, October 8, 1941

NOTICE

The information contained in this series of bulletins
will be restricted to items from official sources which are
reasonably confirmed. The lessons necessarily are tentative
and in no sense mature studies.
This document is being given an approved distribution,

and no additional copies are available in the Military Intelligence Division. For provisions governing its reproduction,
see Letter TAG 350.05 (9-19-40) M-B-11.

GERMAN ASSAULT ARTILLERY AND 75-MM. TANK WEAPON

SOURCE

The section on assault artillery is based upon notes compiled by a British official source and submitted on August 15, 1941,
by an American official observer in London. The notes on the test
firing of the 75-mm. tank weapon are based upon a report submitted
by an American official observer in Cairo on June 24, 1941.

It is hoped that this bulletin will serve to supplement, and

bring more up-to-date, the information contained in T.L.B. No. 119.
CONTENTS

1. ASSAULT ARTILLERY

2. 75-MM, GUN IN GERMAN 19K. IV TANK

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GERMAN ASSAULT ARTILLERY AND 75-10. TANK WEAPON

1. ASSAULT ARTILLERY

a. Introduction
In recent campaigns, Germen entitank guns and infantry artillery
weapons have appeared on self-propelled mounts. In each case the
mounting has been improvised from an existing type of mass-produced

tank. It is evident in some CASES that the older types of tanks such
as the Mk.I - which exist in large numbers - and possibly the Mk. II are
being converted into artillery assault weapons. For the most pert,

reports concerning the guns mentioned herein have been substantiated by

photographic evidence.

b. 75-mm. Infentry Support Gun

This gun is mounted on a 1k. III tank chassis from which the
turret has been completely removed. The gun is mounted in the well of
the tank, and screens of ermor-plating protect the crew from at least
three sides. The height of the gun from the ground seems to be about

four feet. The overall height of the vehicle is about five feet, which
gives it an exceptionally well-streamlined appearance. Its mobility
and armor-plating are no doubt designed to allow it to move un to the
forward line in an attack. The gun has the same performance as the

75-mm. piece which is mounted on the Mk. IV tenk and probably has a

maximum range of 9000 yards. The built-up suverstructure for the pro-

tection of the crew is entirely welded, but there is no accurate indication of the thickness of the armor. Since the armor basis of the
Kk. III hull is 30-mm., however, this surerstructure may elso be of that
thickness. The ammunition is carried in an armored trailer, which is
towed by an armored tractor. The latter is semi-trecked, has a very
long bonnet, a low driving compartment, and a streemlined tail; its
overell height is about four feet. Ammunition appears to be carried

in the tail of the tractor RS well AS in the trailer.
c. 105-mm, Assault Gun

It hes been established from photographic evidence that a 105-mm.

assault gun is in existence. It is not known whether the mount is the
same as that of the 75-mm. gun, but this type of equipment must certainly be expected to appear in certain formations, such as the heavy
armored division. No details of the gun are known, but it may well be

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an adaption of the 105-mm. gun-howitzer - the light field howitzer of
1918 - which has a considerably greater range than either the 75-mm, or

the 150-mm. infentry gun and which is suitable for firing either armor-

piercing or H.E. ammunition.
d. 150-mm, Assault Gun

Photographs of the 150-mm. assault gun show it mounted on the

hull of a 1k.I, light tank. The superstructure of the tank has been

entirely removed and has been replaced by a high box-like shield with

a slightly sloping front. This shield gives protection to the crow

from three sides. It appears that the crew stand behind the gun on a

platform which is built on the hull of the tank. It may be, therefore,
that ammunition is carried in the well of the tank. The range of this
gun is 6000 yards, and the weight of the projectile is 80 pounds.
e. 25-mm, Self-Propelled Antitank Gun
Reorganizations have made large numbers of Mk.II, 9-ton tanks
available for conversion, and recent information suggests that one of
the uses to which they have been put is that of providing light, mobile,
antitank equipments. It is probable that the Germans captured or took
over from the French more than 3000 Hotchkiss 25-mm. antitank guns, and

it is believed that at least 2000 Mk. II tanks may be in existence, although it does not follow, of course, that they are all being converted
into mobile antitank guns. It is not known whether the turret of the

tank has been removed or whether the gun has been mounted in the existing

turret in place of the 20-mm. heavy machine gun. Their mobility and
armored protection, however, would give definite advantages over the

ordinary entitank battery. The cheracteristics of this self-propelled

weapon would be as follows:
Weight:

Armor thickness:
Maximum road speed:

Cross-country speed:
Spanning capacity:
Fording depth:

Muzzle velocity:
Weight of armorpiercing shot:
Penetration:

9 tons - approximately
20-mm.

24 miles per hour
16 miles per hour
4 feet 11 inches
2 feet 6 inches
3000 foot seconds
11.3 ounces

1.91 inches at normal at 400 yards
1.22 inches at 22 degrees at 400 yards

f. 47-mm. Self-Provelled Antitenk Gun

Recent reports point to the existence of tank destroyers consisting of a 47-mm. antitank gun mounted on a self-propelled carriage and
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protected by armor. No details of the equipment are as yet definitely
known, but the carriage is probably a converted Mk.I or Mk.III tank.
The gun employed may be either the Skoda 47-mm., the French 47-mm, antitank gun, or the new German 50-mm. entitank gun* - TJW. No details of
the latter are available yet, but the specifications of the two former
are as follows:

Muzzle velocity:

Skcda 47-mm,

French 47-mm,

3000 foot seconds

2800 foot seconds

3.75 pounds
Unknown, but

3.80 pounds

Approximate weight

of projectile:

Penetration:

estimated as com-

parable to the
French model.

2.36 inches at 30°
at 650 yards

3.15 inches at 10°
at 200 yards

g. Comments of Official Observer
Information available at present indicates that the weapons
listed above have definitely been mounted on self-propelled carriages
converted from tank chassis and that these guns are included in the
light armored divisions, the heavy armored divisions, and possibly in

the motorized infantry divisions. It may well be, of course, that a

specially designed self-propelled mount is under consideration by the
Germans, and that the present improvisation has been affected in the
interests of production speed. Equipment as a whole is thus given a
very good cross-country performance end an ability to negotiate obstacles and ground which is unsuitable for wheeled vehicles. In addition, the crew are given protection at least against small arms fire
and possibly against even heavier weapons and H.E. projectile splinters

as well. This support artillery is thus geared up to the armored
brigade with respect to speed, mobility, and to a certain extent, pro-

tection of personnel. Ease of concealment has, of course, suffered,
but to compensate for this, the equipment has been very thoroughly
streamlined and the frontal target is very low. The Germans have always
felt that speed will compensate for drawbacks such 8.8 this. The equipment has been seen and reported on in the Balkan and Middle East campaigns.

2. 75-MM. GUN IN GERMAN MK, IV TANK

Test firing with the 75-mm. gun of a German Mk.IV tank was

responsible for the data that follows. The target consisted of the
open front of a British A-10 cruiser tank with two pieces of 5/8 inch
*This gun is now known to be the Skoda, Obsorver's Note.
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armor placed in front of it.
a. Range at Maximum Elevations

The maximum elevation of the gun is about 22°. Two rounds were
fired, and the maximum range was determined to be about 9000 yards.
b. Range of 6000 Yards

Due to the mirage on the desert, it was impossible to lay
accurately on a small target at 6000 yards. Large targets or areas,
however, could be successfully engaged at this range. One round each
of H.3. and armor-piercing tracer ammunition was fired. The H.E.
appeared to be the more accurate. The tracer of the armor-piercing

projectile was plainly visible for the entire trajectory.
c. Range of 1500 Yards

Twelve rounds of H.E. and two rounds of armor-piercing tracer
ammunition were fired at 1500 yards without registering a direct hit.
Several near misses were observed, the nearest being within three feet.
Had the target been as large as a complete tank, direct hite could
have been registered. Fragments from the near misses scarred the armor
to a depth of approximately one-eighth of an inch.
d. Range of 1000 Yards

Six rounds of H.E. were fired at 1000 yards: only one direct
hit was registered. The fuze setting of the projectile was instantaneous.
The direct hit dented the outer armor plate to a depth of about one inch,
causing a little flaking on the inside. Fragments from the near misses
scarred the armor to a depth of about one-fourth of an inch.
e. Range of 500 Yards
The same target was engaged and ten rounds of H.E. and two rounds

of armor-piercing tracer were fired at 500 yards. Two direct hits with
each were registered. The H.E., with instantaneous fuze setting,
penetrated the first thickness of armor and split the plate from six to
eight inches in all directions from the point of impact. The second
thickness was dented to a depth of about an inch and a half with two
cracks about four inches long extending out from the point of impact.
The inside flaked considerably.

The H.E., with the fuze set at .15 second delay, completely
shattered both plates, breaking the outer one into eight large pieces
and many smaller ones and the inner plate into five large pieces and
several smaller ones.

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The armor-piercing rounds cleanly penetrated both thicknesses

of outer plate. One round struck the edge of the armor plate of the
main turret and chipped a small piece off. The other round passed
through both thicknesses of five eighths inch outer plate and into the
main turret through the gun opening, breaking up on the back wall of
the main turret but causing no damage to the armored plate of the turret.
f. Comments of Official Observer
Fragmentation of the H.E. was excellent. The largest pieces
found were two and one-half by one and one-half inches. Fragments were
picked up a hundred yards from the point of impact.

In hard, fine, gravel soil, craters were small, varying from

18 inches to 28 inches in diameter and from six to eight inches in depth.

The craters contained no fragments.

The gun is smooth in action and easy to fire, although both the
gunner and loader are very cramped for space. An elevating and
traversing mechanism other than the power traverse allows for fine adjustments for laying.

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M.I.D., W.D. 11:00 A.M., October 8, 1941

0-2/2657-220; No. 513

SITUATION REPORT

I. Eastern Theater.
Ground: Desperate fighting is in progress along the whole
central front.
German High Command reports the encirclement of

several Russian armies in the vicinity of Vyazma, west of Moscow.
A German armored force having captured Orel, con-

tinued its advance to the northeast as far as Mtzensk.

Germans claim that the armored force moving south-

east, east of Melitopol, reached the Sea of Azov and captured the
towns of Mariupol and Berdyansk.

Air: German sources reported raids in the Moscow and Lenin-

grad areas, and on the arms factory at Rostov, gateway to the oil regions of the Caucasus. This is the first report of a raid on Rostov

and is not confirmed from any other source.

II.

Western Theater.

Air: The R.A.F. was grounded by bad weather last night.
German activity was probably limited, with small damage in southwestern England and south Wales, the only results.

III.

Middle Eastern Theater.

Air: The Axis claims strong activity and heavy damage from

attacks on the Suez Canal area.

British gianes bombed Tripoli, while Axis aircraft
operated over Malta.

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Paraphrase of Code Cablegras
Received at the War Department

at 10:04. October 8. 1941

CAIRO, filed 20:11, October 6. 1941.

(Lieut. Colonel Fellers continues his summary of the relationship
between air and navel power).

There appears to be no sound legie in the setting up of a

1.

separate air arm in the United States armed forces. In the future
this country will face an accressor who will attack through the medium
of sen. air and land, and to successfully repulse this force our own
defenses mist be coordinated under a supreme high commend. In peace

OF in war, the training of our Air Force should be periodically assigned
to A thember commander in the Navy OF the Army.

Reference N.A. Cairo Report No. 1987. the conclusions drawn

2.

therein are that the hemisphere of the American can set up en air-sight
protection with a reasonably powerful naval force supported by adequate

air cover. This was one lesson that the British Mediterraneea Bittle
Fleet learned in Kythers Straits last May.
FELLERS.

I.B. f 5. 10/8/41.
Distributions

Chief of Staff
Chief of the Aray Air Forces -Axistion Section

Var Plans Division

ffice of Naval Intelligence (2)

Record Section

Intelligence Branch
Secretary of Treasury
Air Corps (3)
Section File
Collection Section
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Received at the War Department

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at 2:11 P.M., October 8, 1941.
London, filed: 4:40 P.M., October 8, 1941.

No. 637

1. British Air Activity over the Continent.
a. October 7, 130 fighter aircraft were active as follows: 19
on special missions) 72 protecting shipping, and 39 on interception

patrols. All R.A.F. activity was limited by bad flying weather.
2. German Air Activity over Britain.
a. October 6, day. 10 reconnaissance aircraft and 5 long
range bombers.

October 6, night. 20 long range bombers.
b. October 7, day. Small scale ocean reconnaissance along
East Coast.

October 7, night. Limited activity against southwest coast
shipping. While on interception patrol over the Devonshire Distriet, 1 Beaufighter was allowed to approach within 400 yards of a
He-111. The deliberate action of the He-111 was then to climb and
drop 6 cannisters, approximately one foot in length, which were attached by nearly one yard of wire to a parachute. No apparent attempt was made to take cover in the clouds.

3. Aircraft Losses Reported.

a. British losses. October 8, No R.A.F. casualties reported
in Western Theater. October 6, No losses were sustained by the
R.A.F. when Germans attacked the R.A.F. at their Murmansk airfield.

October 6, 2 gilots of Hurricane fighters were lost in an engagement with Me-109's in the Sidi Omar area.

b. Axis losses. October 6. 2 of the attacking Ju-88's and
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1 Me-109 were shot down, probably six more Ju-88's were crippled and

3 Ju-88's forced to turn back by Hurricanes protecting an R.A.F. airdrome near Murmansk. October 6, day: 1 Me-109 shot down and 1 prob-

ably destroyed in the Sidi Omar area.

4. British Air Activity, Other Theaters.
a. Middle Eastern Theater. October 5-6. Night. A supply train
at Bardia was bombed by 6 Wellingtons. 6 Wellingtons attacked Benghasi.

October 6, day. In the Sidi Omar area, 14 Me-109's were intercepted by
12 Tomahawics. Comiso Airfield was bombed by 9 Hurricanes. October 6-

7, night. High Explosive bombs totaling 12 tons were released by 8
Hurricanes over Tripoli Harbor. Apparently one 10,000 ton ship was
damaged.

5. Axis Air Activity, Other Theaters.
a. Western Theater. October 6. Airfield at Murmansk, North
Russia, was attacked and bombed by 14 bombers and 6 fighters with

little resultant destruction.
b. Middle East. October 5. The Sues canal was attacked by
Axis planes. The Tobruk district was bombed by anti-personnel bombs.
Lee

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State Department (2)

War Plans Division

Office of Naval Intelligence (2)

G. H. Q.
Record Section

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington
FOR RELEASE, MORNING NEWSPAPERS,

Thursday, October 9, 1941.

Press Service
No. 27-91

10/8/41

Secretary of the Treasury Morgenthau today offered for cash
subscription, through the Federal Reserve Banks, at par and accrued

interest, $1,200,000,000, or thereabouts, of 2-1/2 percent
Treasury Bonds of 1967-72, and at the same time announced pro-

vision for refunding the 1-1/4 percent Treasury Notes of Series
C-1941, maturing December 15, 1941, through offering to the

holders of such maturing notes the privilege of exchanging them
for additional amounts of the Treasury bonds now offered for
cash subscription. the exchanges to be made per for par, with
interest adjustments 93 of October 20, 1941. An additional amount
of $100,000,000, or thereabouts, of the bonds may be sold to
Government Investment Accounts during the next month.

The Treasury Bonds of 1967-72 now offered for cash subscription and in exchange for the notes due December 15, 1941,

will be dated October 20, 1941, and will boar interest from that
date at the rate of 2-1/2 percent per annum, nayable somiennually
on March 15 and September 15. The first counon due March 15,

1942, will be for a fractional period. The bonds will mature
September 15, 1972, but may be redeemed, at the option of the

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-2United States, on and after September 15, 1967. They will be
issued in two forms: bearer bonds with interest coupons
attached, and bonds registered both as to principal and

interest. Both forms will be issued in the denominations of
$50, $100, $500, $1,000, $5,000, $10,000 and $100,000.

Pursuant to the provisions of the Public Debt Act of 1941,
interest upon the bonds now offered shall not have any exemption,
as such, under Federal Tax Acts now or hereafter enacted. Otherwise the securities will be accorded the same exemptions from
taxation as are accorded other issues of Treasury bonds now

outstanding. These provisions are specifically set forth in
the official circular released today.
Subscriptions will be received at the Federal Reserve Banks
and Branches, and at the Treasury Department, Washington. Bank-

ing institutions generally may submit subscriptions for account
of customers, but-only the Federal Reserve Banks and the Treasury

Department are authorized to act as official agencies. Cash
subscriptions for the bonds from banks and trust companies for

their own account will bc received without deposit but will be
restricted in each case to an amount not exceeding one-half of
the combined capital and surplus of the subscribing bank or

trust company. Cash subscriptions from all others must be

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-3accompanied by payment of 10 percent of the amount of bonds

applied for. Exchange subscriptions should be accompenied by

a like face amount of 1-1/4 percent Treasury Notes of Series
C-1941, due for payment on December 15, 1941, with final coupon
due December 15, 1941, attached, and following the accentance

of the notes, accrued interest from June 15 to October 20, 1941,
about $4.34 per $1,000 face amount, will be peid the owners of
the surrendered notes.

The right is reserved to close the books as to any or all
subscriptions or classes of subscriptions at any time without

notice. Subject to the reservations set forth in the official
circular, all exchange subscriptions will be ellotted in full.
The basis of allotment of cash subscriptions will be publicly
ennounced, and payment for any bonds allotted must be made or

completed on or before October 20, 1941, or on leter allotment.
There are now outstanding $204,425,400 of 1-1/4 percent
Treasury Notes of Series C-1941, maturing December 15, 1941. The

present offering effords to holders of the maturing notes an
opportunity to exchange them for other interest-bearing obligations
of the United States. Any notes not so exchanged at this time

will be paid in cash following their presentation on and after
December 15, 1941.

The text of the official circular follows:

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

2-1/2 PERCENT TREASURY-BONDS OF 1967-72

Dated and bearing interest from October 20, 1941

Due September 15, 1972

REDEEMABLE AT THE OPTION OF THE UNITED STATES AT PAR AND ACCRUED INTEREST ON AND
AFTER SEPTEMBER 15, 1967

Interest payable March 15 and September 15

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT,

Office of the Secretary,

1941

Washington, October 9, 1941.

Department Circular No. 670

Fiscal Service
Bureau of the Public Debt
I. OFFERING OF BONDS

1. The Secretary of the Treasury, pursuant to the authority of the Second
Liberty Bond Act, as amended, invites subscriptions, at par and accrued interest,

from the people of the United States for 2-1/2 percent bonds of the United
States, designated Treasury Bonds of 1967-72. The amount of the public offering

is $1,200,000,000, or thereabouts, with the right reserved to the Secretary of
the Treasury to increase the offering by an amount sufficient to accept all subscriptions for which Treasury Notes of Series C-1941, maturing December 15, 1941,

are tendered in payment and accepted. In addition to the amount offered for public subscription, $100,000,000, or thereabouts, of these bonds may be allotted to
Government investment accounts against cash payment.
II. DESCRIPTION OF BONDS

1. The bonds will be dated October 20, 1941, and will bear interest from
that date at the rate of 2-1/2 percent per annum, payable on a semiannual basis
on March 15 and September 15 in each year until the principal amount becomes

payable. They will mature September 15, 1972, but may be redeemed at the option

of the United States on and after September 15, 1967, in whole or in part, at

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-par and accrued interest, on any interest day or days, on 4 months' notice of
redemption given in such manner as the Secretary of the Treasury shall prescribe.
In case of partial redemption the bonds to be redeemed will be determined by
such method as may be prescribed by the Secretary of the Treasury. From the

date of redemption designated in any such notice, interest on the bonds called
for redemption shall cease.

2. The income derived from the bonds shall be subject to all Federal taxes,
now or hereafter imposed. The bonds shall be subject to estate, inheritance,
gift or other excise taxes, whether Federal or State, but shall be exempt from
all taxation now or hereafter imposed on the principal or interest thereof by
any State, or any of the possessions of the United States, or by any local taxing authority.

3. The bonds will be acceptable to secure deposits of public moneys, but

will not bear the circulation privilege and will not be entitled to any privilege
of conversion.

4. Bearer bonds with interest coupons attached, and bonds registered as to
principal and interest, will be issued in denominations of $50. $100, $500, $1,000,
$5,000, $10,000 and $100,000. Provision will be made for the interchange of bonds
of different denominations and of coupon and registered bonds, and for the trans-

fer of registered bonds, under rules and regulations prescribed by the Secretary
of the Treasury.

5. The bonds will be subject to the general regulati ons of the Treasury
Department, now or hereafter prescribed, governing United States bonds.
III. SUBSCRIPTION AND ALLOTMENT

1, Subscriptions will be received at the Federal Reserve Banks and Branches
and at the Treasury Department, Washington. Subscribers must agree not to sell

or otherwise dispose of their subscriptions, or of the securities which may be

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allotted thereon, prior to the closing of the subscription books. Banking institutions generally may submit subscriptions for account of customers, but only
the Federal Reserve Banks and the Treasury Department are authorised to act as

official agencies. Others than banking institutions will not be permitted to
enter subscriptions except for their own account. Cash subscriptions from banks
and trust companies for their own account will be received without deposit but
will be restricted in each case to an amount not exceeding one-half of the combined capital and surplus of the subscribing bank or trust company. Cash subscriptions from all others must be accompanied by payment of 10 percent of the
amount of bonds applied for.

2. The Secretary of the Treasury reserves the right to reject any subscription, in whole or in part, to allot less than the amount of bonds applied
for, and to close the books as to any or all subscriptions at any time without
notice: and any action he may take in these respects shall be final. Subject to
these reservations, subscriptions in payment of which Treasury Notes of Series

C-1941 are tendered will be allotted in full. Allotment notices will be sent
out promptly upon allotment, and the basis of the allotment will be publicly
announced.

IV. PAYMENT

1. Payment at par and accrued interest, if any, for bonds allotted on cash
subscriptions hereunder must be made or completed on or before October 20, 1941,

or on later allotment. In every case where payment is not so completed, the pay-

upon tc make

ment with application up to 10 percent of the amount of bonds applied for shall,

declaration mede by the Secretary of the Treasury in his discretion, be for-

feited to the United States. Any qualified depositary will be permitted

payment by credit for bonds allotted to it for itself and its customers up to
any amount for which it shall be qualified in excess of existing deposits, when

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-4so notified by the Federal Reserve Bank of its district. Treasury Notes of
Series C-1941, maturing December 15. . 1941. with coupon dated December 15. 1941,

attached. will be accepted at par in payment for any bonds subscribed for and
allotted, and should accompany the subscription. Accrued interest from June 15.
1941 to October 20, 1941, ($4.33743 per $1,000). will be paid following
acceptance of the notes.
V. GENERAL PROVISIONS

1. As fiscal agents of the United States, Federal Reserve Banks are
authorized and requested to receive subscriptions, to make allotments on the
basis and up to the amounts indicated by the Secretary of the Treasury to the

Federal Reserve Banks of the respective districts, to issue allotment notices.
to receive payment for bonds allotted, to make delivery of bonds on full-paid
subscriptions allotted, and they may issue interim receipts pending delivery
of the definitive bonds.

2. The Secretary of the Treasury may at any time, or from time to time,
prescribe supplemental cr amendatory rules and regulations governing the offering, which will be communicated promptly to the Federal Reserve Banks.

HENRY MORGENTHAU, JR. ,

Secretary of the Treasury.

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October 9, 1941
9:15 a.m.

GROUP MEETING

Present:

Mr. Blough
Mr. Thompson

Mr. Johnson
Mr. Waesche

Mr. Buffington
Mr. Graves
Mr. Kuhn

Mr. Foley

Mr. Schwarz
Mr. Odegard

Mr. Sullivan

Mr. Haas

Mr. White

Mr. Bell

H.M.Jr:

When I had this meeting at 8:15 I told them to
call Ed Foley first and George Haas second.
I wonder what happened to Chester Barnard?

Blough:

He went to a conference in Atlantic City today.

H.M.Jr:

What is that?

Blough:

I don't know the nature of it but that is what
his secretary said when I checked with her this

morning.
H.M.Jr:

Ed?

Foley:

Dean called up yesterday and said that Mr. Hull

had made arrangements or wanted to make arrange-

ments with the Japanese so that three Japanese

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two or three thousand American citizens from
Japan and take back from here an equal number

of Japanese born residents to Japan. And they
wanted to make sure that if they came in the
vessels would not be libelled, and they had

made arrangements with the Department of Justice

so that the Department of Justice would go in
to court and make representations to the Federal

judge in the event that libels were filed that

the vessels were owned by the Japanese Govern-

ment,
and therefore were not subject to private
law suits.
They wanted to find out whether or not we would

grant the necessary credit so that they could

make purchases of bunker supplies and ship

stores and other things so they could get out.
There is no question here about cargoes. It
is merely bringing people over and taking
people back.

H.M.Jr:

Send back two Japanese for every U. S. citizen?

Foley:

I think it is going to be on a per capita switch,
but I told them that if that was what Mr. Hull
wanted we would carry out our end of the bargain
and see that clearances were granted and that
frozen funds were made available so that the
ships' stores can be purchased.

We have a letter from the Secretary of State
saying that the Panamanian Government is going

to revoke the charter of all ships under Panamanian
registry that are armed and the Maritime Commission

now has seven vessels under Panamanian registry
with arms on them, and they are taking the arms

off. The State Department doesn't want us to
let any Panamanian ships out that are armed until
the arms have been removed.

H.M.Jr:

That is Waesche.

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Foley:

Yes, and Customs.

H.M.Jr:

Now, Ed, I thought at ten o'clock tomorrow you
could come in with Pehle and with Kuhn and
anybody else that you want on this program for

publicizing educational - Foreign Funds. It is
an educational job and I would like Peter

Odegard to sit in on it, please. You might
educate him beforehand.

Foley:

Ferdie and I have had a talk in line with our
discussion on Monday.

H.M.Jr:

But with Peter?

Foley:

I haven't talked with Peter. We talked about
getting somebody under Ferdie.

H.M.Jr:

But you have got a whole program.

Foley:

That is right, the balance of that will have to

H.M.Jr:

But I will give you half an hour tomorrow morning.

Foley:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

be worked out.

Dan, you ought to be in on that. It is dealing

with the banks.
Bell:

All right. Ten o'clock?

H.M.Jr:

Ten o'clock and if B.M. Edward is here, he ought

to be in on it.

Graves:

I think he will be here.

H.M.Jr:

Inasmuch as we are asking the banks to educate, I

think you (Buffington) might sit in and listen,

you see. Here is something quite new and we are

trying to do a teaching job with the banks on
how to handle all these regulations of Foreign

Funds. You might get ideas. So I think at ten

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tomorrow, and also I would like you to sit in

on the eleven o'clock meeting on the Defense

Savings Bonds program.
Buffington:

Today or tomorrow?

H.M.Jr:

Today. Eleven today and ten tomorrow.

Foley:

Here is a little thing that Leon would like to

have you -H.M.Jr:

Is B. M. Edward going to be here?

Foley:

Harold said he thought he would be.

H.M.Jr:

Will somebody deliver B. M. Edward here tomorrow

at ten o'clock?

Graves:

Yes.

Foley:

That is something Leon would like to have you
give him a boost on at your press conference

this afternoon, if you could.

H.M.Jr:

Read it out loud, please.

Foley:

All right. Leon has issued an appeal to all

manufacturers that the new excise taxes, once
they become effective, not be included in the
base upon which the mark up is made more than

once. In other words, if it is a ten dollar

excise tax and the article costs a hundred

dollars, once the wholesaler sells it to the
retailer and then the retailer sells it again

before it goes to the consumer, that the ten
dollars not be included two or three times in
the base upon which the mark up is made.
H.M.Jr:

He is right, but I can't do that ad lib. It

is too important and I wish you would turn it
over to Kuhn and the first time I have a chance

to say something formally, you see, Ferdie.

I

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am not going to - I don't know enough about it,

Ferdie. Who is it, Joe O'Connell brings that

up?

Foley:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Ferdie, talk with Joe O'Connell and look into it
more, but I don't want to just do it offhand.

Foley:

Here is a personal thing. This is a letter to
Cornell in regard to that note. He wants to

wind up that company. I suggest that you take

it because you are going to be better off. He
will give you his note for five thousand, with
interest. What you are getting is a personal
obligation and you have nothing now but a

writing as to a corporation which has virtually
no assets. He wants to dissolve the corporation
and assume the liability personally and I should
say that that was a generous act on his part.

I think you will be better off.
Klotz:

It seems too generous.

H.M.Jr:

If I ever get that five thousand we will throw

a party.
Klotz:

It is in the record.

Foley:

I think he is trying to act like a gentleman.
That is all the way through that file.
This letter addressed to Fly on an amendment to
the Communications Act of 1934 was sent back

to me with a notation that you wanted to talk
to me about it.
H.M.Jr:

I don't know a damn thing about it, Ed. I mean,
somebody drops this on my desk without any

explanation. What is it all about?

Foley:

Well, this --

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H.M.Jr:

I mean, I can't read all that stuff.

Foley:

Well, briefly the bill would authorize the

President in time of war or when war is
imminent to close or requisition or take over

all types of communication facilities, assign
preferences and priorities to all types of
communications, permit radio communications
upon any frequency and on any matter, and so

forth.

H.M.Jr:

Well, why do I get in on it?

Foley:

Well, we are in on it because of Coast Guard.

H.M.Jr:

Has the Admiral seen it?

Foley:

Yes, it has been initialed by Gaston --

H.M.Jr:

What am I saying, it is all right?

Foley:

We are saying it is all right except a provision
in there that says if there is war, then the

President has to have these functions administered
either by the Secretary of War or the Secretary

of the Navy. We say it is unduly restrictive

and the President's hands shouldn't be tied, but
he should be able to assign these duties to any
department that he wants to.
H.M.Jr:

I bet you Waesche never saw it.

Bell:

May I see it, because I have been handling it

with the Navy and I would like to see it.
Foley:

This isn't censorship. This is not that matter;
this is a matter of just tightening up the
controls over the communications.

H.M.Jr:

Have you ever seen it, Waesche?

Waesche:

No, sir, I haven't seen it.

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H.M.Jr:

Let Waesche take a look at it because it may
leave Coast Guard out in the middle of the
ocean.

Foley:

Gaston initialed it.

H.M.Jr:

Did he?

Foley:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Get it back to me tomorrow, Waesche.

Waesche:

Very good.

H.M.Jr:

What else?

Foley:

That is all.

H.M.Jr:

I have never been through three harder days

than on this financing. The interesting thing

is, the New York Tribune amazingly - the notice

only went out last night - has a swell editorial
on our financing and the New York Times on

the financial page writes, well, we are just going
to the banks, and so forth and so on. Just the
old tripe. The New York Tribune, somebody there

had some brains.
Schwarz:

They are far ahead. They are stepping out.

H.M.Jr:

The thing only went out yesterday and they have

already got an editorial on the thing and they

are comparing it to the World War. The Treasury

has different kinds of securities for different
people and that this is the way to do it, and so
on.

Bell:

Nick Gregory came in and talked to me last night.

I assume he fed that to the editorial staff.

H.M.Jr:

It was a nice job. They put it all over the

Times.

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Rights are selling for - I don't know if they

are selling yet, but they are being quoted around
at over a hundred and three.
H.M.Jr:

Was it you or Rouse told me they were going to

have a meeting to try to sell some of the

Fed's rights today?
Bell:

Rouse was trying last night to get in touch with
the Executive Committee to get authority to sell
some of the rights in case they thought it was

necessary instead of exchanging them. I would

say that this price would justify the sale.

H.M.Jr:

The only thing I am sorry for on that issue, I

should have paid that two hundred million issue

off in cash. I should have paid it off because
here is a two hundred million issue controlling
a billion and a half issue.
Bell:

Well, that is very unfortunate, but I think it

would also be unfortunate for you to announce

that policy within two months of the maturity

date.
H.M.Jr:

Well now, go after that United States Housing,
Dan, you see.

Bell:

United States Housing?

H.M.Jr:

Yes, that next issue.

Bell:

I think we might let the word drop that we may

pay off the Commodity Credit because we have

got enough cash to pay off half of it, anyhow.
H.M.Jr:

Which comes first?

Bell:

The Commodity Credit comes November fifteenth,

I think.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I want a meeting next week. I don't want

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to do it today. I want a meeting next week.

I

want Walter Stewart here. I will have it

whatever day he can be here. Now, did you look

up that - was it in the circular about banks
lending to people who want to buy this?

Bell:

Yes. You may recall that we wrote a letter to
all the banks on May 27, 1936, about our
financing.

H.M.Jr:

Now Dan, don't do that to me so early in the

morning.
Bell:

That was quite a letter and got a lot of
publicity. I thought maybe you read it. We
told the banks that they would greatly assist us

in this program if they would cooperate by avoiding making loans, unsecured loans or loans
without collateral and asked them to put into
their certificate, when they submitted subscriptions for customers, that they were made
in good faith to meet the customers' legitimate
requirements and that the bank had no beneficial
interest whatever in those securities.
Now, that has been done since '36, but I take

it what happened - from Mr. Graham, a man whom

he knows has a line of credit in his bank and

he merely walks in and says, "I want a hundred
thousand dollar credit, and then he puts in a
subscription of a hundred thousand dollars. He
doesn't have to tell the bank what he wants the
hundred thousand for.
H.M.Jr:

Well, Dan, will you, for me, get out word to
the people who do the controlling of this thing --

Bell:

Yes, I will do that.

H.M.Jr:

There are people, aren't there?

Bell:

Federal Reserve banks police these subscriptions.

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H.M.Jr:

Will you get out word this morning, I want them
to look for the kind of cases Mr. Graham spoke
about.

Bell:

I will do it right afterward.

H.M.Jr:

This man Graham, he is one of the smartest fellows.
He
president of the First National of Baltimore,
isn'tishe?

Bell:

I don't know.

H.M.Jr:

And he comes in and he says the department store

there will come in to him and say, "We have got

a line of credit for a million dollars," and
he will say, "Yes," and they will say, "Put us
down for a million dollars worth of bonds. They
keep it for three or four days and make two
points, make twenty thousand dollars and sell

it out. As long as he is as frank as that, I
think we ought to see how many other people do
it. Will you do it, Dan?

Bell:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

That is definitely your responsibility.

Haas:

Wouldn't it be better, Mr. Secretary, to tighten
it up on the next issue, for this reason, that
the people that are buying this and putting their
subscriptions in expect the usual thing of ten

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percent or something, and if it is tightened

up
too much
it will
--- and they get fifteen or twenty,
H.M.Jr:

There are not many cases like that. No, I

want very definitely to go out this time. I
mean, this is on the policing.
Haas:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

This is on the policing. Somebody, according to
Graham, has been just a little smarter than
our own people and Mr. Graham was kind enough

to tell us.

It may be just peculiar to Baltimore, because
Graham's reason for telling us was, this looks

like a good issue, and if he tells on some of
his customers, maybe he will get a little
more of the issue himself. Maybe that is
unkind, but -- (Laughter).
Bell:

It is not peculiar to Baltimore, Mr. Secretary.
We run into it every once in a while.

We ran into a situation in a little town in
Iowa. I don't suppose there are over a
thousand people in it. This cashier of

this National Bank went around the community

to four or five little towns and got the

names of individuals and put in subscriptions.

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Did he take them off the tombstones?

Bell:

Probably

Put in subscriptions to even the RFC issues
which were three quarters of one per cent
and one percent. We turned that over to

a bank examiner and he went out and discussed

it with the bank officials, and they said

of course it is wrong, and they stopped that.
H.M.Jr:

Well, I would also take a look at Baltimore,

Bell:

In connection with paying off some of these
maturing issues in cash, I am going to a
meeting of the directors of the Federal

particularly.

Farm Mortgage Corporation this afternoon

and we are going to discuss refunding of the
two issues callable in January and March,
aggregating three hundred and forty million.

I would like also to discuss at that time
the possibility of paying off those issues
in cash.

H.M.Jr:

I wish you would.

Bell:

Farm Credit has fifteen million dollars
in the Production Credit Corporations,

and twenty-eight million dollars in the

Federal Land Banks, which they would like

to invest in this issue. I would like to

give the Production Credit Corporations,
because they are wholly owned, ten million

dollars of this hundred million. That
leaves them still -H.M.Jr:

Dan, when you come to a hundred million,

come in with a list and we will go over

our customers.
Bell:

Well, I have got it.

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H.M.Jr:

Well, not now, I don't want it.

Bell:

Wait a minute, until I tell you.
All right.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

If they can't get this allotment, of course
they want to subscribe, and I don't think
they ought to do both. I would like for
the Federal Land Banks, because we don't

own all the stock, to subscribe, and we will
not give them any allotment, but I would like
to promise the Production Credit Corporations -

well, say at least half of their cash and that
will keep them out of the subscription list.
H.M.Jr:

How much do they have?

Bell:

They have fifteen million dollars.
I don't know what the whole list is.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

I have the whole list, and I have a recom-

mendation on the side.
H.M.Jr:

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

You rush me so.

You
don't have to agree to all of that at
this time.
Are you going to a meeting this afternoon,

is that the point?

Bell:

H.M.Jr:
Bell:

No, they have put in their subscription
today because we close tonight. This is
our
cash on the trust accounts. I want to
clear twenty.
Postal Savings?

Thirty, twenty, and twenty.

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Bell:

Let's see, that is -It is a hundred million.

H.M.Jr:

It doesn't leave anything, does it?

Bell:

It leaves six million seven. That is a

H.M.Jr:

How much?

Bell:

Six million seven.

H.M.Jr:

And you want to give these fellows ten?

Bell:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Would you settle for seven and a half?

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

reserve to take up other --

I will, and that willleave about ten million

here as a reserve.
H.M.Jr:

Seven and a half.

Bell:

I will settle for that.

H.M.Jr:

Anything else?

Bell:

Yes, I think so. I have a copy of the

proposed press release of the State Depart-

ment on this Mexican settlement. I think

it is all right. I think it has been over you (White have been over it in August.
They sent it over late in August.

White:

Oh, are they using the same one?

Bell:

I think so. It has just two paragraphs

on our end of it. I was a little surprised
to read that this isn't really a definite

settlement. What they do is agree to set
up a commission, and within a certain time,

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and then those commissioners have four

months, I think, to agree upon property
values and then if they can't agree upon
that, it comes back to the Governments

to settle diplomatically, and then if the

Governments can't settle it, the nine million
dollars is returned to Mexico upon demand
of the Mexican Government.

H.M.Jr:

This is the State Department?

Bell:

Yes. I don't know as we have anything to
do with it, but I would think they would sew

up the nine million dollars definitely.

That is the amount that the Mexican Government agrees to pay the day the agreement

is signed, to be held by the United States
until an agreement is arrived at on the value
of the claims. They give a certain time,
and if that time elapses and nothing is done,
Mexico can demand the nine million back.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

There is nothing we can do?

No, I just kind of hate to let go the forty

million that we have when they have a right
to get the nine back.
H.M.Jr:

Have you seen it, Harry?

White:

I haven't seen that part of it. The two
paragraphs that related to our participation
we did work over, but I haven't seen the

rest of it.

Bell:

Those are all right.

H.M.Jr:

Well, read the two that affect me.

Bell:

"The Treasury Department has entered into
an agreement for monetary and financial
cooperation with the Mexican Government and

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among other things, for the purchase of
Mexican pesos with United States dollars.
The U.S. dollars thus acquired by the

Mexican authorities will greatly assist
them in stabilizing the exchange value of
the peso in terms of the dollar for the

mutual benefit and advantage of the two
countries.

The Treasury Department has also indicated

its willingness to purchase newly mined
Mexican silver directly from the Mexican
Government on a basis similar to that

under which such purchases were made prior
to 1938."

This assumes that we will have our own press
statement, also.
H.M.Jr:

Did you (White) know - you most likely did,

but I didn't - that the industrial usage
of silver in the United States is up to
eighty million ounces?

White:

I did not know.

H.M.Jr:

Well, it is. I was told that. Eighty

million ounces, and largely through soldering.

White:

I did not know that.

H.M.Jr:

I was amazed.

White:

It is a great increase.

H.M.Jr:

They said it was just doubled. Eighty
million ounces, at that rate.

White:

Well, that may mean - then we will have to

buy
very little silver. They will just offer
a cent. more and they will buy it.

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H.M.Jr:

Check my source, because the source is very

good.

Bell:

Handy and Harmon are worried about this Mex-

ican silver agreement. If you agree to take
all the Mexican silver, that leaves none
of the Mexican silver for the - for commercial

purposes.
H.M.Jr:

Well, that is why I am saying there is
eighty million owners.

White:

All they have to do is offer another cent.

H.M.Jr:

They pay an eighth more.

White:

An eighth or a cent more and they can get

all the silver they want, provided you don't

meet the price, and there has been no such

policy of upping the price.
H.M.Jr:

Bell:

If they are worried, I will drop the price.
That is what they are afraid of, that every

time the market goes up an eighth you will
raise the price an eighth.
H.M.Jr:

Don't worry, if I do anything, I will drop it.

I am serious. I have just been waiting
for a time to drop the damn price.

White:

You don't have to drop it, Mr. Secretary,

we just don't raise it. They can get all
thebid
silver
is
for they
it. want. All they have to do
H.M.Jr:

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

I know. I want to drop it.
That is all.
I heard a story which is delicious on Washington

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some
to tell
it.of the new agencies. I have got

Robert Sherwood, the playwright, is at
present with Colonel Donovan. He talks
very slowly. He went to see Jimmy Walker,
who talks very fast. Robert Sherwood says,
"Jimmy, I would like you to come down and

be my assistant. I am over with Colonel

Donovan." So Jimmy says, "What do you want
me to do, what do you want me to do?"

"Well," he says, "Jimmy, if you will come

down and work for me, maybe you can find

out what I am supposed to do." (Laughter).

Bell:

I wonder if anything I said brought on that
story?

H.M.Jr:

No. I have had it. Mrs. Morgenthau
heard it at the White House the other night
when I wasn't there, and I thought it was
a wonderful story.

They had a man over there who was lent to

them by the State Department. He is vicepresident of the Cannon Mills, in charge of
sales. He has been there for six months,
working over there in Civilian Defense,
working hard, Cosgrove, I think his name

is. He is a very fine type of fellow.

Yesterday he was told, "Very sorry, but
the policy has changed. We don't need you.

Good afternoon." Six months he has been

there. He gave up his business and everything else.
"Senator George telephoned to advise me

that today he had talked with the President
about Social Security program. The Senator

got the impression --" this of course is
extra confidential -- "The Senator got the
impression that the President made some

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commitments and felt obliged to send some

sort of message to the Hill. However,

the President said such a message would be

general in nature, and would not be sent
for three or four weeks. And the leaders

of

the Senate Finance, House Ways and Means,

would have an opportunity to talk with the

President before the message was sent. The
President told Senator George it was his
idea the Committee would do some preliminary

investigations for the fall and winter, and
not really go to work on this problem until
next year. The President also stated he

understood there would be plenty of other
work to keep these Committees busy in the
meantime. He had no intention of side-

tracking this work with the Social Security

program."

So that gives you plenty of time. What
happened to Arthur Altmeyer, did he go
out to Seattle or not?
Blough:

He stayed. He would like to go this evening.

If that is the situation there is no reason

why he should stay any longer.
Bell:

Except thathe can't make very much of a speech.

Blough:

There is not much reason why he should go.

H.M.Jr:

I wouldn't tell him this. I told Sullivan -

I mean, I don't want them to think that we

are doing anything. Just tell them - it
isn't up to us to tell them.
Blough:

Oh, of course not. In the light of that,

what are your wishes about the proposed
message?

H.M.Jr:

He is working on it.

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sation with Walter Stewart).
H.M.Jr:

He saye he thinks in November the Administrative Amendments --

Blough:

It would please us very much if we didn't
have to start until November.

H.M.Jr:

He says November just now.

Blough:

Might I say another word on the Social Security
thing?

H.M.Jr:

Sure. I will finish you up.

Blough:

I wish we could clean this message up, 80
far as the Treasury is concerned, for
two reasons: one is so that Al 1 tmeyer would
have no reason to feel that we were holding

things up, and another is to get it out of

the way. There is quite an important meeting in St. Paul next week of the National
Tax Association.
H.M.Jr:

You can have what is left of me after my
three thirty appointment with Irving

Fisher. (Laughter).

Blough:

All right, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Oh, let's do it tomorrow morning. Ten
thirty tomorrow, Social Security.

Blough:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Blough:

Ten thirty. Anybody else that is interested
is invited. I told Chester Barnard to get
in touch with you yesterday. Did he?
He was in touch with me, yes. He went over

some of the material. He will be back

also tomorrow morning.

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So then, ten thirty.

I am doing it to wait for him.
Blough:

All right, fine.

H.M.Jr:

All right?

Blough:

Suits me.

H.M.Jr:

Ferdie, you be here too.

Kuhn:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Now, Customs.

Johnson:

We are working with Secret Service, and

made a rather interesting seizure at Buffalo

last Saturday. A man coming in from Canada
had almost twenty-four pounds of gold bars

worth ten thousand dollars in a specially

made vest. We have the man and his accomplice

and the gold. It looks like a regular operation that has been stopped.

H.M.Jr:

A U.S. citizen or a Canadian?

Johnson:

His citizenship isn't disclosed in the
record. He is coming from Canada. One
of them lived in Buffalo and the other in

New York City.
White:
Johnson:

Where did the gold originate, do you know?
In Canada, and probably stolen from the mine.

High graded gold, they called it.
H.M.Jr:

That is interesting. Anything else?

Johnson:

We have these two matters that Ed Foley

mentioned well in hand on the getting the
reports in on the armament on Panamanian

ships, and preparing for the three Japanese
boats.

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H.M.Jr:

Waesche:

Waesche?
It
frightensGod,
me. have you got all those things?
I have two sets of amendments to the regula-

tions,
Secretary. here are two places
to
signMr.
there.

H.M.Jr:

Your regulations?

Waesche:

One of them is an amendment to the reserve
regulations, and the other is an amendment

to the anchorage regulations. The reserve
regulations must go to the Navy.

H.M.Jr:

Anchorage regulations?

Waesche:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:
Waesche:

Did
you ever get the War Department out of
the harbors?

Yes, we got that completely fixed up. These
regula tions have some bearing on that.

H.M.Jr:

They still control part of the --

Waesche:

Well, they don't issue any regulations without
coming through us, and we are working very

well with them, and there is a clear understanding. I also have that information about
the tree tops. Do you want that now?
H.M.Jr:

Stay behind.
Ferdie?

Kuhn:

H.M.Jr:
Haas:

Nothing.
George?

1 have just this report. October is still
leading by a nose.

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H.M.Jr:

Haas:

H.M.Jr:

George, keep me posted each week now particularly
on the
cost of living. Give me a Monday report,
will
you?

All right, I will do that.
That
is acent.
pretty good-sized nose, George,
six per

Haas:

I was just looking at the E Bond. That
is the E, F, and G.

Waesche:

That is all.

H.M.Jr:

Klotz:
H.M.Jr:

I would say that was leading by Harold
Graves' nose. (Laughter).

That is very unkind.

No, it is a small nose. If it was about

twenty
cent, it would be mine. That
is
what per
I meant.

Peter? I have got to tell the story

on Peter. I called him up Sunday and he
said, "I see you had an accident, but you

got a swell press." (Laughter)
Klotz:
White:

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

That sounds more like you.

Do you think it is worth trying again?
You business.
see how Peter's mind works. He is in
that

Odegard:

All right, Peter?
That is all.

H.M.Jr:

Chick?

Schwarz:

You may be interested. Ernest Lindley was
called up to New York because the editor of

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of the new morning paper in Chicago. They
are having a meeting there. He asked if
he could renew the request next week.

H.M.Jr:

Yes. It is too bad that he didn't come in,

because I was going to have him see the

fellow from Detroit today.

Schwarz:

It would have been a good meeting.

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Schwarz:

That is all.

H.M.Jr:

Harry?

White:

Do you want to see that memo before it goes

to Hull, Hopkins, and so forth?

H.M.Jr:

That wasn't the answer to - I asked you Monday.

White:

No, we are talking about two different things
now.
I was saving that unpleasant thing for
the last.

H.M.Jr:

Which memo?

White:

The arrangement which was agreed upon.

H.M.Jr:

The memo on our conversation?

White:

At the conference yesterday.

H.M.Jr:

No, I will just sign it.

White:

You want to sign it?

H.M.Jr:

That is all. I will sign it.

White:

I see. I had a discussion with the Mexicans --

H.M.Jr:

What about my question, Harry?

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H.M.Jr:
White:

I have three things which are not so nice.
May
I leave them for the end? That is one
of
them.
Do they get worse as you go along?

I hope not, because the last one is going to

be
- I am going to ask you to go to New York
tomorrow.
H.M.Jr:

I accept.

White:

I mean, I am going to ask you if I may go.

H.M.Jr:

Oh, all right.

White:

I spoke to the Mexicans yesterday about two
matters, one of which they mentioned, and the

other they hadn't. They question of repurchase
of their bonds from the British. We have a
memo on it, and we are ready to take it up
at the next stage, however you want to handle
it. I don't know how long Suarez is going to
be here, but--

H.M.Jr:

Come in at three forty-five today, will you,

Harry?
White:

On that?

H.M.Jr:

On that or anything else that you have got.

White:

There is just one other thing I would like to

raise here.
H.M.Jr:

All right.

White:

First, in answer to the request which you just

spoke of that you thought I was answering,
about sending that stuff on Monday. We were
about ten days behind because the number of
countries we are doing are growing. We have
about twenty-five persons now, owing to your

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- 26 regulations that people on that fund be

examined by Secret Service first. It is
impossible to get people in a hurry. It
takes several weeks or a month. We have

borrowed four or five persons, and I thought

it would be much nicer if in the first notice

that you send these people we would cover

the last week rather than be two or three

weeks behind, so they have been working day

and night,
and alibi
it should
be ready today. I
have
a perfect
on that.
H.M.Jr:
White:

H.M.Jr:
White:

H.M.Jr:
White:

H.M.Jr:

Says you.

Yes. You would say so too if you knew all the
details.
I can give you more details if you
don't agree already.
What is the matter with the memorandum I asked
you to send on Monday?

That is it.
Why not send the one you sent me?

That is two weeks old, and we are supposed to
give them twenty-four hour service.

Harry,
you know me. What did you do, forget
about it?

White:

No, I didn't. (Laughter)

Klotz:

He is innocent.

White:

H.M.Jr:

I deserve credit for the way I went about the
thing. I think I was using good judgment.
But they will be ready today.
You aren't influenced by the fact that you don't
want the Department of Commerce to catch on to
what you are doing?

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No, I was going to include in the letter
which I would call to your attention that
we are doing it with their cooperation.
Otherwise there will just be a wide-open
fight on the matter very quickly.

H.M.Jr:
White:

Are you satisfied on your explanation?

Well, as I say, if you understood exactly
what we were doing you would compliment me,
so if you don't wish to compliment me it is

because I haven't made myself clear.
(Laughter)

H.M.Jr:

There are no compliments coming your way on
this.
White:

All right, I will give up on that.
This next one is not particularly my baby, but
it raises a question I think maybe the whole
staff ought to hear. We have got this Mone-

tary Commission going down to Cuba. Before

he left, he said he wanted a stenographic
assistant. He said to go down there and see

if he couldn't find any and confer with the

Ambassador. He cabled back saying none
available and the Ambassador suggested we

send somebody here. He asked for his secretary who is a very competent person.

Mr. Norman Thompson, when I informed him, very

rightly told me there was a Treasury principle
or rule not to send women out of the country.

Now, I think that is unfair discrimination.
Thompson:

H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

Or
in the country, with their bosses. It is
just a-Send women where?

Out on junkets. Newspapers sometimes get hold

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of it.
White:

Southard has his mother with him. (Laughter)
It wasn't a good start. Well, Southard, who
is in charge, has his mother with him and the
other two men have their wives with them, and
they are paying their own way, and there is
no reason, on the merits of the particular

case, why the girl can't go, and I think it

is unfair to women. That may be the only
chance any of them ever get for going out of

the country, and I don't think that they ought
to be discriminated against. (Laughter) I

would like to have you reconsider that.
H.M.Jr:
White:

I would have to look at the girl first.
I don't think that would disturb you either.
(Laughter) She is mature.

Klotz:

I think I will leave the room.

Thompson:

Well, I just told Harry the general policy had
been not to let girls go out because there is
danger of some newspaper talk.

H.M.Jr:
White:

What is the reason for the girl going?
They must have a confidential stenographer down

there in preparing these reports for us. They

really do need one. They have a man to send
whom
fair. they have looked up, but I think it is unThompson:

The only thing, there has been criticism in
the past.

H.M.Jr:

Well, when Mr. Hull went down to South America,

they had three or four girls go along.

White:

And two of them were blonds, I reme ber. This

girl--

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Now, Harry, let's be serious a minute.

Thompson:

I didn't know at the time that he mentioned it.
He just said he wanted to send this girl down,
and I said the policy was not to do that.

H.M.Jr:

White:

Being serious, are you sending the girl, because they really need her or because you

think she ought to have a trip?
They really need a person. It will be a
question of sending this girl or a man. I
think in general the girls are all disappointed when she first heard about it, she was quite
excited, and I think the recognition that none
of them can ever go on a trip if an opportunity occurs is a unfortunate thing. They

are
low income groups, and they may never get
a
chance.
H.M.Jr:

I am being serious. Question number one. Do

they need a stenographer?
White:

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

All right. Then I will leave it to you to

selectthe
a competent
stenographer. I don't care
what
sex is.
White:

H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

H.M.Jr:

He has asked for his secretary.

That is up to you. The responsibility is yours.

I see no particular objection to it.

It is Harry's responsibility, that is all. You

are selecting the people, aren't you, Harry?
Foley:
White:

Sure.

Well,
if-- I am willing to accept the responsibility

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White:

215

Why should I pick the stenographer?

I don't expect you to, but I would like you

to reconsider a ruling which prevents any
female stenographer from going down.

H.M.Jr:
White:

Well, I have told you now. It is settled.
That is all right. Then 1 will share the
responsibility
the girl to go.with Norman, and we will pick

Thompson:

Iquestion
think itbecause-is all right. I just raised the

H.M.Jr:

I never put such a ruling into effect.

Thompson:

No.

Foley:

I never heard of the rule, and I know it hasn't
been observed in my division. (Laughter)

Cairns has taken Mrs. Poole up to New York
two or three times to work on a speech or
something of that character.
H.M.Jr:

Well, a couple of years ago, when we were
working on something, Harry, and you brought
your secretary up to New York. When we were
working up to the farm, you remember that
time?

White:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

I never knew of this ruling.

Thompson:

Well, it is not a written rule. It has been
an unwritten law around here that we wouldn't
do that. There is just always the potential

danger of some scandal-monger putting some-

thing in the papers to stir up trouble, and

say she is on a junket with her boss. We have

tried to avoid that. I don't think there is

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in this case. I see no objection to it.

H.M.Jr:

Well, again, if White says that they need a

stenographer, I will leave it to him to pick

a
competent person. I don't care what the
sex is.
White:

All right. Norman said it was--

H.M.Jr:

Is that right, Mrs. Klotz?

Klotz:

Oh, definitely.

White:

I asked Norman, and he said it was all right
for me to bring this up here.

H.M.Jr:

Is that settled?

White:

Yes. Sorry to take so much time over a small

matter, but it is important. That is all.
H.M.Jr:

Harold?

Graves:

You asked me--

H.M.Jr:

That is the first time I ever heard of it.

Graves:

You asked me last week to have a memorandum

prepared to OPM about this alcohol-molasses
transaction that Senator Herring mentioned.
H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Graves:

I have had that memorandum since Monday and

have talked to Mr. Mack about it. We both

feel that it should not go.

H.M.Jr:

O.K. Out.

Graves:

That is all I have.

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Graves:

Foley:

If that is your decision, all right.
I might say that I believe Mr. Foley is
interested in some aspect of it.
They referred a call to me because you had

shut it.
off your calls. He asked me to look
into
H.M.Jr:

Who did?

Foley:

Herring. I called him back and told him that
legally we couldn't do anything but sign the

contract, and he said that is all right.
H.M.Jr:

That isn't, of course, what I am interested in.

Foley:

Well,
this is on the conversion of molasses into
alcohol.

H.M.Jr:

This is - no--

Graves:

A change in specifications that permitted the
company
in
to bid. that Senator Herring was interested

H.M.Jr:

And they didn't get the business, but I wanted

to ask OPM why did they change the specifications.
But you don't think I ought to send
it?
Graves:

No, for this reason, if you would like me to

give you the reason.
H.M.Jr:
Graves:

Yes.

The form in which the specifications were
finally advertised, Mr. Mack and I both feel,
were the proper form and not withstanding
it was asked by Herring. That required that

the British, as I understand it, furnish from

their stocks the molasses to be converted.

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Graves:

That is right.
And Mr. Mack feels as a matter of principle
they should have been asked to furnish their

molasses
for conversion and not use our molasses.
H.M.Jr:

Well, it was a lucky break for OPM that the
company that Herring was interested in was

high.
But I was just having a little fun,
but you don't want me to have it.
Foley:

They have got to work out an over-all policy
in so far as these small businesses are concerned, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:
Graves:

Foley:

That has nothing to do with this.
But it happens to be involved.
Because of the dislocation of labor and be-

cause of the control that they have estab-

lished in so far as molasses supply is concerned and other commodities they have got to Floyd
Odium
to work out a policy that
the rest
of ushas
cangot
follow.
H.M.Jr:

Foley:
Graves:

H.M.Jr:

Buffington:
H.M.Jr:

Buffington:

Well, Floyd Odlum is now in touch with Chester
Barnard, and I put Chester Barnard on that.

I told that to Herring, and he said,"That is

perfectly all right, and I am satisfied."
That is all I have.
Have you anything?

No, sir.

Are you getting along all right?
Yes, sir. I have something in the course of

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preparation, but I would like to discuss
several matters with Mr. Haas' department
and
on it.Mr. Foley's department before reporting
H.M.Jr:

And then before you bring it to me, I would
like you to show it to Kuhn and Odegard.

Buffington:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Norman?

Thompson:

As you probably know, the Bundles For Britain,

Inc., are putting on a three-ring circus, allstar, three-ring circus. They want permission
to sell tickets through the Treasury. It is

against the regulations. I didn't know whether

you wanted to let them.
H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

No.

We have the Red Cross and Community Chest drives.
That is enough.

As you probably know, John Pehle's organiza-

tion have decentralized certain of their
licensing work and it is handled by the

Federal Reserve Bank in New York, and that
has increased the volume of telephoning there,
and he wants two additional - John Pehle wants

two additional private lines to New York.

He is also putting in a teletype. The teletype will-H.M.Jr:

I told him teletype. Let him have one teletype and one telephone.

Thompson:

That was what I was going to recommend. I have

checked the figures, and there is full justi-

fication for one telephone.
H.M.Jr:

One telephone and one teletype and then come

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back and see me. Incidentally, Ed, I would

like a report once a week now on that Pehle
organization,
are
behind. how many applicationsthey
Foley:

They will be current in two weeks.

H.M.Jr:

They had better.

Foley:

We are down below five thousand now, and we
have come from eight thousand on Monday down

below
weeks.

five today. We will be current in two

Thompson:

Miss Chauncey said you wanted this.

H.M.Jr:

Yes, what about that?

Thompson:

Well, in the Treasury the Coast Guard follows
the Navy in having secret and confidential, striotly and
so on, but outside of the Coast Guard we use

the term "confidential" for things of that

nature. I would just tell him that. I don't

know of any reports we can give him.
H.M.Jr:

It is the dumbest thing I ever saw. I would
love to write him a sarcastic letter. I am

getting so sick and tired of these new
agencies. You and Waesche fix it up. I mean,
it is just the most asinine performance. What
business is it of theirs what we use? I mean,
some of these people, they just make me sick.

It is the stupidest thing I ever say.

Fix it up with Admiral Waesche. It is just

asinine.
so forth.They bother you and pester you and
Thompson:

H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

Yes.

Anything else?

That is all.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

October 9, 1941

Secretary's files
Mr. Kuhn

At his staff meeting this morning, Secretary Morgenthau

said that he did not wish to discuss this matter at a

press conference, as it was too important and complicated
for such informal handling. He did say that he was

willing to refer to it in some formal statement such as

a speech, and he asked me to take the memo for Mr. Foley.
I have since been told that Mr. Henderson hoped for some
help from the Secretary immediately and that any mention

of this in a speech would be too late to be of any use.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

222

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE OCT 9 1941
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM E. H. Foley, Jr.

On October 1, 1941, the day on which the new Federal
manufacturers' excise taxes became effective, Leon
Henderson issued an appeal to all manufacturers, whole-

salers and retailers, urging that the cost to the consumer
of articles subject to such taxes be not increased by
more than the amount of the tax. He pointed out that

if the wholesaler, and in turn the retailer, includes

the amount of the excise tax in the base upon which he
computes his "marked-up" (the mark-up is ordinarily a
percentage of the base price) the result will be a pyramiding
process which will mean that the cost to the ultimate consumer will be enhanced by an amount substantially in excess

of the new taxes imposed.

Henderson's efforts have met with a favorable response
among some groups of retailers and others, but there is
a recalcitrant group, which may or may not be a minority,
which is not sympathetic with the suggestion made and

may ignore it. Their representatives are coming to

Washington to discuss the matter with Mr. Henderson on
Thursday and he has asked whether you could see your way

clear to give a public expression of accord with his view
as to the treatment of these excise taxes.
Should you wish to do so, it could be done at your

next press conference by means of an answer to a simple
question addressed to you inquiring as to whether you are

generally in accord with the suggestion contained in
Mr. Henderson's press release of October 1, 1941 relative
to manufacturers excise taxes. A copy of his press
release is attached.

FN7L.

OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

223

Office of Price Administration
Release

P. M. Papers,
Wednesday, Oct. 1, 1941

PM 1284

Manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers dealing in articles subject to the
new Federal manufacturers' excise taxes were asked today by Leon Henderson,

Administrator, Office of Price Administration, to exert their utmost efforts to
prevent price increases to ultimate consumers exceeding the actual amount of the
additional taxes.

Excise taxes of 10% will apply today for the first time to such articles as
electric, gas and oil appliances, including flat irons, fans, stoves, mixers and
vacuum cleaners; to a large list of rubber products, excluding foot-wear, and
to electric light bulbs. As applied to articles that have carried excise taxes
previously - such articles as automobilee, tires, tubes, radios, and household
refrigerators - the new rete will to double or nearly double the old one.

"The increased prices paid by as the result of the new levies

should in no case reflect more than the actual dollar amount of the manufacturers'
total excise tax," Mr. Henderson stated. "This policy should te applied to cases
where excise taxes are continued nr.1 increased 08 well 9F where taxes are now

being levied for the first time.

"Pyrnmiding of thesa taxes must be carefully guarded against. Where a
manufacturer sells en article for $100 and passes on the 10% excise tax it results
in a price of $110 to the wholesaler. Should the latter compute his regular
mark-up price on the $110 price, instead of on the $100 base, the price to the

retailer will be raised by more than the amount of the tax. If the retailer in
turn calculates his mark-up, on this total, the final cost of the article to
the ultimate consumer will be raised considerably in excess of the actual

excise tax.

"Properly figured, the tax should be left out of all mark-up calculations.
The threat to the general price structure if "Pyromiding" of the new tax is
resorted to by distributors of merchandise is real and dangerous. I an sure
that American business men will take steps to avert this threat."