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DIARY
Book 427
August 1 - 4, 1941
-ABook Page
Appointments and Resignations
Smith, Frank:
Early asks HMJr to place after rejection by
Securities and Exchange Commission - 8/4/41..
427
271
Argentina
See Latin America
-BBolivia
See Latin America
Business Conditions
Research and Statistics memorandum on situation
for week ending August 2, 1941
342
- 0China
See War Conditions
Coast Guard
Reservists - report on - 8/1/41
Correspondence
Mrs. Forbush's resume' - 8/4/41
109
319
- DDefense Savings Bonds
See Financing, Government
-EEcuador
See Latin America
-FFinancing, Government
Defense Savings Bonds:
Sales during May, June, and July - 8/1/41
Field Organization News Letter, No. 11 8/2/41
Treasury Hour: Kipling's "The Islanders" FDR wishes recital by Alfred Lunt - 8/4/41
a) Daughter of Kipling consents to use 8/11/41: See Book 431, page 274; Book
432, page 152
b) Maurice Evans to read it: Book 432, page 156
France
See War Conditions
112
185
315
-Book Page
Iceland
See War Conditions
India
See War Conditions
Inflation
See War Conditions
"Islanders, The"
See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds
-L Latin America
Argentina:
Loss (estimated) in customs revenues from six
principal concessions now being offered 427
8/1/41
135
Bolivia:
Collaboration: Details discussed in State
Department memorandum - 8/1/41
137
Ecuador:
Stabilization credit requested - 8/4/41
357
-M-
Morgenthau, Henry, Jr.
Agricultural expedition in 1913 discussed in Gaer
note to Mrs. HMJr - 8/4/41
305
-0011
See War Conditions: Export Control
-PPetroleum
See War Conditions: Export Control
-RRevenue Revision
Press release on two series of Treasury notes to
go on sale August 1
Broadening of Base: Treasury opposition discussed
at staff meeting - 8/4/41
HMJr's proposed statement before Senate Finance
Committee: See Statements by HMJr
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253
-SBook Page
Shipping
See War Conditions
Smith, Frank
See Appointments and Resignations
Statements by HMJr
Tax Bill: Proposed statement before Senate Finance
Committee
First draft - 8/4/41
427
326
- 8/6/41: See Book 429, page 77
a) Conference of Treasury group, Eccles,
Currie, and Magill: Book 429, page 1
b) Conference: present: HMJr, Blough, Kuhn,
Magill, and Shere: Book 429, page 98
Second
.
c) Conference; present: HMJr, Sullivan,
Magill, Blough, Kuhn, Bell, and
Riefler: Book 429, pages 117 and 222
Third draft: Book 429, page 145
Fourth
: Book 429, page 269
a) Conference of Treasury and Internal
Revenue groups: Book 429, page 296
b) Conference; present: HMJr, Blough,
and Kuhn: Book 429, page 306
Fifth draft: Book 429, page 351
Reading copy - 8/8/41: Book 430, page 10
Press comment - Merillat report - 8/15/41:
Book 433, page 76
Stock Market
Price movements compared of 20 "war" and 20
"peace" stocks - 8/4/41
280
-TTaxation
See Revenue Revision
-UU.S.S.R.
See War Conditions
United Kingdom
See War Conditions: Military Planning: United Kingdom
-W-
War Conditions
Airplanes:
Deliveries monthly, July 1940 to date - 8/4/41.
278
Shipments to United Kingdom and overseas
commands - British Air Commission report 8/4/41
314
- W - (Continued)
Book
Page
427
229
War Conditions (Continued)
China:
Hong Kong: Inclusion in sterling area for
foreign exchange control purposes - 8/2/41
Fox report - 8/4/41
Exchange market resume' - 8/1/41, etc
Export Control:
Petroleum: Further regulation announced by
FDR - 8/1/41
Exports of petroleum products, scrap iron, and
scrap steel from United States to Japan,
Russia, Spain, and Great Britain, week
ending August 2, 1941
Foreign Funds Control:
Personnel to be investigated before being hired:
HMJr tells Foley - 8/4/41
a) Conference; present: HMJr, Gaston,
Pehle, Foley, and Thompson - 8/4/41
362
140,234,372
89
325
274
283
France:
Free French supplies discussed by Cox and HMJr 8/1/41
Iceland:
General resume' - 8/2/41
India:
4,35
201
Lend-Lease inclusion of discussed in State
Department correspondence - 8/2/41
168
Inflation:
Prevention by increased purchase of Government
bonds (deferred income plan) discussed in
Eddy and Neisser memoranda - 8/1/41
101
Lend-Lease:
Purchases - weekly report - 8/1/41
Military Planning:
Reports from London transmitted by Halifax 8/1/41, 8/4/41
War Department bulletins:
Gun (Lewis and Bren) successes against enemy
aircraft - 8/1/41
German pioneers - employment of - 8/4/41
Purchasing Mission:
Vesting order sales - 8/4/41
Federal Reserve Bank of New York statement
showing dollar disbursements, week ending
July 23, 1941
47
142,374
145
377
306,307
308
Shipping:
LaGuardia asks HMJr to take over guarding of all
ships in New York harbor - 8/4/41
a) Additional personnel discussed
302
303
- W - (Continued)
Book
Page
427
229
War Conditions (Continued)
China:
Hong Kong: Inclusion in sterling area for
foreign exchange control purposes - 8/2/41
Fox report - 8/4/41
Exchange market resume' - 8/1/41, etc
Export Control:
Petroleum: Further regulation announced by
FDR - 8/1/41
Exports of petroleum products, scrap iron, and
scrap steel from United States to Japan,
Russia, Spain, and Great Britain, week
ending August 2, 1941
Foreign Funds Control:
Personnel to be investigated before being hired:
HMJr tells Foley - 8/4/41
a) Conference; present: HMJr, Gaston,
Pehle, Foley, and Thompson - 8/4/41
362
140,234,372
89
325
274
283
France:
Free French supplies discussed by Cox and HMJr 8/1/41
Iceland:
General resume' - 8/2/41
India:
4,35
201
Lend-Lease inclusion of discussed in State
Department correspondence - 8/2/41
168
Inflation:
Prevention by increased purchase of Government
bonds (deferred income plan) discussed in
Eddy and Neisser memoranda - 8/1/41
101
Lend-Lease:
Purchases - weekly report - 8/1/41
Military Planning:
Reports from London transmitted by Halifax 8/1/41, 8/4/41
War Department bulletins:
Gun (Lewis and Bren) successes against enemy
aircraft - 8/1/41
German pioneers - employment of - 8/4/41
Purchasing Mission:
Vesting order sales - 8/4/41
Federal Reserve Bank of New York statement
showing dollar disbursements, week ending
July 23, 1941
47
142,374
145
377
306,307
308
Shipping:
LaGuardia asks HMJr to take over guarding of all
ships in New York harbor - 8/4/41
a) Additional personnel discussed
302
303
- W - (Continued)
Book
Page
War Conditions (Continued)
U.S.S.R.
Fall of Leningrad, Moscow, Smolensk, and
Odessa before September 1 predicted by Knox 427
8/1/41
18
Military mission calls on HMJr; expresses
dissatisfaction at slowness of action in
Washington - 8/1/41
a) HMJr asks Cox to see them - 8/1/41
1) Wayne Coy instructed by FDR to
rush help: Cox tells HMJr - 8/4/41.
60
62
276
2) Conference; present: HMJr, Coy, Cox,
Colonel Famonville, and Kamarck 8/5/41: See Book 428, page 52
3) Coy's cable to FDR - 8/6/41:
Book 430, page 227
United Kingdom:
Production: Debate in House of Commons - 8/1/41.
Wool: Reserve supplies to be made available through
Reconstruction Finance Corporation discussed in
118
directive from FDR, letter from Reconstruction
Finance Corporation to Treasury, letters from
Treasury to Director of Budget and Reconstruction
Finance Corporation, and Halifax-State Department
correspondence - 8/1/41
Wool
See War Conditions
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
FOR RELEASE, LORNING NEWSPAPERS,
Friday, August 1, 1941.
The Secretary of the Treasury, by this public notice, invites
tenders for $100,000,000, or thereabouts, of 91-day Treasury bills,
to be issued on a discount basis under competitive bidding. The bills
of this series will be dated August 6, 1941, and will mature
November 5, 1941, when the face amount will be payable without inter-
est. They will be issued in bearer form only, and in denominations
of $1,000, $5,000, $10,000, $100,000, $500,000 and $1,000,000
(maturity value).
Tenders will be received at Federal Reserve Banks and Branches
up to the closing hour, two o'clock p.m., Eastern Standard time,
Monday, August 4, 1941. Tenders will not be received at the Treasury
Department, Washington. Each tender must be for an even multiple of
1, 000, and the price offered must be expressed on the basis of 100,
with not more than three decimals, e.g., 99.925. Fractions may not
be used. It is urged that tenders be made on the printed forms and
forwarded in the special envelopes which will be supplied by
Federal Reserve Banks or Branches on application therefor.
Tenders will be received without deposit from incorporated banks
and trust companies and from responsible and recognized dealers in
investment securities. Tenders from others must be accompanied by
payment of 10 percent of the face amount of Treasury bills applied
for, unless the tenders are accompanied by an express guaranty of
payment by an incorporated bank or trust company.
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-2Immediately after the closing hour, tenders kill be opened at
the Federal Reserve Banks and Branches, following which public
announcement will be made by the Secretary of the Treasury of the
amount and price range of accepted bids. Those submitting tenders
will be advised of the acceptance or rejection thereof. The
Secretary of the Treasury expressly reserves the right to accept or
reject any or all tenders, in whole or in part, and his action in
any such respect shall be final. Payment of accepted tenders at the
prices offered must be made or completed at the Federal Reserve Bank
in cash or other immediately available funds on August 6, 1941.
The income derived from Treasury bills, whether interest or gain
from the sale or other disposition of the bills, shall not have any
exemption, as such, and loss from the sale or other disposition of
Treasury bills shall not have any special treatment, as such, under
Federal tax Acts now or hereafter enacted. The bills shall bc sub-
ject to estate, inheritance, gift, or other excise taxes, whether
Federal or State, but shall be except from all taxation now or
hereafter imposed on the principal or interest thereof by any State,
or any of the possessions of the United States, or by any local
taxing authority. For purposes of taxation the amount of discount
at which Treasury bills are originally sold by the United States
shall be considered to be interest.
-3Treasury Department Circular No. 418, as amended, and this
notice, prescribe the terms of the Treasury bills and govern the
conditions of their issue. Copies of the circular may be obtained
from any Federal Reserve Bank or Branch.
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
Washington
FOR RELEASE, LORNING newspapers,
Friday, August 1, 1941.
Press Service
No. 26-84
7/31/41.
Secretary Lorgenthau today announced the final details with
respect to the two tax series of Treasury notes which go on sale this
Lorning at the Federal Reserve Banks. The Series A-1943 notes, in
the denominations of $25, $50 and $100, provide a return of about
1.02 percent a year, are designed to be attractive to the small taxpayer, and their presentation in payment of income taxes will be
limited to $1,200 from any taxpayer in any one tax year. The Series
B-1943 notes will be issued in denorinations of $100, $500, $1,000,
$10,000 and $100,000, will provide a return of about 0.40 percent a
year, and the amount of these notes which may be presented in pay-
ment of taxes vill be limited only by the amount of taxes due.
The owner's name and address, and the date of issue, will be
entered on each note at the tire of its issue by 3. Federal Reserve
Bank. The month in which payment is received by a Federal Reserve
Bank or Branch, or by the Treasurer of the United States, will
determine the purchase price and issue date of each note. Particular
attention is called to the fact that checks or other remittances not
immediately available should be received by a Federal Reserve Bank
or Branch, or by the Treasurer of the United States, in time to be
cleared and the funds actually available to the Tressury before the
end of a month in order to got that month's dating.
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These notes are being offer a for sale to taxpayers for their
convenience in setting aside regularly the funds which will be
required to meet the unprecedented taxes they will pay next year
on this year's income. The interest earned on those notes, which
will be credited with the principal in payment of income tax lia-
bility, is expected to be attractivo to taxpayers generally. For
this reason many will doubtless purchase an amount of notes suffic-
ient to meet the estimated tax liability for the next two years, or
as much thereof as their means will permit, since the notes bear
interest to August 1, 1943, unless sooner redeemed. The notes will
be acceptable in payment of any Federal income taxes at any time
commencing with the third month after the month of purchase, but
not before January 1, 1942. If not presented in payment of income
taxes, they can be redeemed at the Federal Reserve Bank of issue
for cash, in the case of Series A-1943 notes without advance notice,
and in the case of Series B-1943 notes after 30 days from the date
of issue and on 30 days advance notice. Such P coecmption will be
at the purchase price paid for the notes. In oth.r words, the taxpayer, in this case, gets back just the amount he paid for the
notes and no more.
The official circular is attached.
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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
TREASURY NOTES
Tax Series B-1943
Tax Series A-1943
Dated August 1, 1941
Due August 1, 1943
Issued at Par and Accrued Interest
Acceptable at Par and Accrued Interest in Payment of Federal Income Taxes
1941
TREASURY DEPARTMENT,
Department Circular No. 667
OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY,
Washington, July 22, 1941.
Fiscal Service
Bureau of the Public Debt
I. OFFERING OF NOTES
1. The Secretary of the Treasury, pursuant to the authority of the Second Liberty Bond Act,
as amended, offers for sale, to the people of the United States, through the Federal Reserve Banks, at
par and accrued interest, two issues of nontransferable notes of the United States, designated Treas-
ury Notes of Tax Series A-1943, and Treasury Notes of Tax Series B-1943. As hereinafter provided, the notes of both series will be acceptable at par and accrued interest in payment of Federal
income taxes: Provided, however, that not exceeding $1,200 principal amount of notes of Tax Series
A-1943, and the accrued interest thereon, will be accepted from any one owner in any period of
twelve consecutive months in payment of taxes due from such owner. If not presented in payment
of taxes, the notes will be redeemable at the purchase price as hereinafter provided.
2. Descriptions of the notes of both series, and their terms are hereinafter fully set forth.
The notes will be placed on sale beginning August 1, 1941, and the sale will continue until December
31, 1941, unless earlier terminated, as to either or both series, by the Secretary of the Treasury.
II. DESCRIPTION OF NOTES
1. General.-The notes of both series will be dated August 1, 1941, and will mature August
1, 1943. The owner's name and address, and the date of issue will be entered on each note at the
time of its issue by a Federal Reserve Bank. The month in which payment is received by a Federal
Reserve Bank or Branch, or by the Treasurer of the United States, will determine the purchase
price and issue date of each note. The notes may not be transferred. No hypothecation of the
notes on any account will be recognized by the Treasury Department, and they will not be accepted
to secure deposits of public money. Except as herein provided, the notes will be subject to the
general regulations of the Treasury Department, now or hereafter prescribed, governing bonds
and notes of the United States.
2. Denominations and interest.-The notes of Tax Series A-1943 will be issued in denominations of $25, $50, and $100, and interest thereon will accrue during each month after August 1941, in
the amount of 16 cents on each $100 principal amount, that is, 4 cents on each $25, 8 cents on each
$50, and 16 cents on each $100 denomination of note. The notes of Tax Series B-1943 will be
issued in denominations of $100, $500, $1,000, $10,000 and $100,000, and interest thereon will accrue
each month after August 1941, in the amount of 4 cents on each $100 principal amount, that is 4
cents on each $100, 20 cents on each $500, 40 cents on each $1,000, $4 on each $10,000, and $40
on each $100,000 denomination of note. In no case, however, shall interest accrue beyond the
month in which the note is presented in payment of taxes, or beyond its maturity. Exchanges of
authorized denominations of each series from higher to lower, but not from lower to higher, may
be arranged at the Federal Reserve Bank of issue.
3. Purchase price, and tax-payment value.-The notes of both series will be sold at par during
August 1941, and will be sold at par and accrued interest during each subsequent month while they
remain on sale, the purchase price for a note of any denomination of either series advancing each
month after August 1941, in the amount of one month's interest on that note. Tables, showing for
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each month from August 1941, to August 1943, for each denomination of each series, the principal
amount of the notes with accrued interest added, are appended to this circular. The total shown
for any denomination for any month-August through December 1941-while the notes remain on
sale, is the purchase price, or cost, of the note during that month. Also, the total shown for any
denomination for any month thereafter is the tax-payment value, or the amount at which the note
will be acceptable during that month in payment of Federal income taxes as herein provided.
4. Acceptability in payment of taxes.-The notes of both series (but not more than $1,200 principal amount of notes of Tax Series A-1943 from any one owner in any period of twelve consecutive
months) will be acceptable, at par and accrued interest, in payment of Federal income taxes (current and back personal and corporation taxes, and excess-profits taxes). The conditions of presentation, surrender and acceptance of the notes in payment of such taxes are set forth in Section IV of
this circular.
5. Payment or redemption for notes of either series may not be called by the Secretary of the Treasury for redemption prior to maturity. If such notes are not presented in payment
of taxes: (1) they will be payable at maturity, or (2) they will be redeemable prior to maturity,
at the owner's option and request, as hereinafter provided in Section V and in either case payment
will be made only at the price paid for the notes.
6. Taxation.-Income derived from the notes shall be subject to all Federal taxes, now or hereafter imposed. The notes shall be subject to estate, inheritance, gift or other excise taxes, whether
Federal or State, but shall be exempt from all taxation now or hereafter imposed on the principal or
interest thereof by any State, or any of the possessions of the United States, or by any local taxing
authority.
III. PURCHASE OF NOTES
1. Applications and payment.-Applications will be received by the Federal Reserve Banks and
Branches, and by the Treasurer of the United States, Washington, D. Banking institutions generally may submit applications for account of customers, but only the Federal Reserve Banks and
the Treasurer of the United States are authorized to act as official agencies. Every application must
be accompanied by payment in full, at par and accrued interest to the month in which payment is
received by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or the Treasurer of the United States. Any form
of exchange, including personal checks, will be accepted subject to collection, and should be drawn
to the order of the Federal Reserve Bank or of the Treasurer of the United States, as the case may
be. Any depositary, qualified pursuant to the provisions of Treasury Department Circular No. 92
(revised February 23, 1932, as supplemented) will be permitted to make payment by credit for notes
applied for on behalf of itself or its customers up to any amount for which it shall be qualified in
excess of existing deposits.
2. Reservations.-The Secretary of the Treasury reserves the right to reject any application in
whole or in part, and to refuse to issue or permit to be issued hereunder any notes in any case or in
any class or classes of cases if he deems such action to be in the public interest, and his action in any
such respect shall be final. If an application is rejected, in whole or in part, any payment received
therefor will be refunded. The Secretary of the Treasury, in his discretion, may designate agencies other than those herein provided for the sale of, or for the handling of applications for, Treasury
notes to be issued hereunder.
3. Delivery of notes.-Upon acceptance of full-paid applications, notes will be duly issued and,
unless delivered in person, will be delivered by registered mail within the Continental United States,
the Territories and Insular Possessions of the United States, the Canal Zone and the Philippine
Islands. No deliveries elsewhere will be made.
4. Form of application.-In applying for notes under this circular, care should be exercised to
specify whether those of Tax Series A-1943, or Tax Series B-1943 are desired, and there must be
furnished the name and address of the individual, corporation or other entity in which the notes are
to be issued; and if address for the delivery of the notes is different, appropriate instructions should
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be given. The name should be in the same form as that used in the Federal income tax return Ga
the purchaser. The use of an official application form is desirable, but not necessary. Appropriate
forms may be obtained on application to any Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, and banking insti
tutions generally will supply such forms.
IV. PRESENTATION IN PAYMENT OF TAXES
1. After three months from month of purchase (as shown by the date of issue on each note),
but not before January 1, 1942, during such time, and under such rules and regulations as the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, shall prescribe,
notes issued hereunder in the name of a taxpayer (individual, corporation, or other entity) may be
presented and surrendered by such taxpayer, his agent, or his estate, to the Collector of Internal
Revenue, to whom the tax return is made, and will be receivable by the Collector at par and accrued
interest from August 1941, to the month, inclusive (but no accrual beyond August 1943), in which
presented in payment of any Federal income taxes (current and back personal and corporation taxes,
and excess-profit taxes) assessed against the original purchaser or his estate, but not more than
$1,200 principal amount of notes of Tax Series A-1943, and the accrued interest thereon, may be
accepted by the Collector in any period of twelve consecutive months in payment of Federal income
taxes due from such owner. The notes must be forwarded to the Collector at the risk and expense of
the owner, and, for his protection, should be forwarded by registered mail, if not presented in person.
V. CASH REDEMPTION AT OR PRIOR TO MATURITY
1. General.-Any Treasury note of Tax Series A-1943 or Tax Series B-1943 will be redeemed
for cash at the purchase price at or before maturity. Notes of Tax Series A-1943 may be redeemed
before maturity without advance notice, but notes of Tax Series B-1943 may be redeemed before
maturity only after 60 days from date of issue and on 30 days' advance notice. The timely surrender of a note of Tax Series B-1943, bearing a properly executed request for payment, will be accepted as constituting the advance notice required hereunder.
2. Execution of request for payment.-The owner in whose name the note is inscribed must appear before one of the officers authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury to witness and certify requests for payment, establish his identity, and in the presence of such officer sign the request for
payment appearing on the back of the note, adding the address to which check is to be mailed.
After the request for payment has been so signed, the witnessing officer should complete and sign
the certificate provided for his use.
3. Officers authorized to witness and certify requests for payment.-Any officers authorized to
witness and certify requests for payment of United States Savings Bonds, as set forth in Treasury
Department Circular No. 530, Fourth Revision, as amended, are hereby authorized to witness and
certify requests for cash redemption of Treasury notes issued under this circular. Such officers
include United States postmasters, certain other post office officials, and the executive officers of all
banks and trust companies incorporated in the United States or its organized territories, including
officers at branches thereof who are certified to the Treasury Department as executive officers.
4. Presentation and surrender.-Notes bearing properly executed requests for payment must
be presented and surrendered to the Federal Reserve Bank of issue, at the expense and risk of the
owner. For the owner's protection, notes should be forwarded by registered mail, if not presented
in person.
5. Disability or death.-In case of the disability or death of the owner, and the notes are not to
be presented in payment of Federal income taxes due from his estate, instructions should be obtained
from the Federal Reserve Bank of issue before the request for payment is executed, or the notes
presented.
6. Partial redemption.-Partial cash redemption of notes of either series, corresponding to an
authorized denomination, may be made in the same manner, appropriate changes being made in the
request for payment. In case of partial redemption of a note, the remainder will be reissued with
the same date of issue as the note surrendered.
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7. Payment.-Payment of any note, either at maturity or on redemption before maturity, will
be made only by the Federal Reserve Bank that issued the note, and will be made by check drawn
to the order of the owner, and mailed to the address given in his request for payment. In any case,
payment will be made at the purchase price of the note, that is, at par and accrued interest (if any)
paid at the time of purchase.
VI. GENERAL PROVISIONS
1. Federal Reserve Banks, as fiscal agents of the United States, are authorized to perform
such services or acts as may be appropriate and necessary under the provisions of this circular, and
under any instructions given by the Secretary of the Treasury.
2. The Secretary of the Treasury may at any time or from time to time supplement or amend
the terms of this circular, or of any amendments or supplements thereto, and may at any time or
from time to time prescribe amendatory rules and regulations governing the offering of the notes,
information as to which will promptly be furnished to the Federal Reserve Banks.
HENRY MORGENTHAU, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury.
(Filed with the Division of the Federal Register, July 81, 1941)
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TREASURY NOTES-TAX SERIES A-1943
Purchase Price and Tax-Payment Value During Successive Months
Table, showing for each month from August 1941, to August 1943, for notes of each denomination, the principal
amount with accrued interest added. The total shown for any denomination, for any th-August through December
1941-while the notes remain on sale, is the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note during that month. Also, the total shown
for any denomination for any month thereafter is the Tax-Payment Value, or the amount at which the note will be acceptable during that month in payment of Federal income taxes.
$50
$25
$100
PURCHASE PRICE
$25.00
August, 1941
September, 1941
25.04
25.08
October, 1941
November, 1941
December, 1941
$50.00
$100.00
50.08
100.16
100.32
100.48
100.64
50.1
25.12
50.2
25.16
50. 32
TAX-PAYMENT VALUE
$25.2
January, 1942
February, 1942
MARCH, 1942
50.
25.28
50.56
50.64
50.72
25.32
April, 1942
May, 1942
25.36
JUNE, 1942
July, 1942
August, 1942
SEPTEMBER, 1942
October, 1942
November, 1942
DECEMBER, 1942
January, 1943
February, 1943
MARCH. 1943
$50.
25.24
25. 40
50.8
25.44
25.48
50.88
101.76
50.96
25.
51.0
25.56
51.12
101.92
102.08
102.24
25.
25. 64
51.20
102. 40
51.28
102. 56
25.68
25.
51.36
102. 72
51.44
25.76
102.88
103.04
103.20
25.88
51.52
51.60
51.68
51.76
25.92
51.84
103. 52
103.
25.96
51.92
103.
25.80
April, 1943
25.
May 1943
JUNE, 1943
July, 1943
August, 1943
$100.8
100.96
101.12
101.28
101.44
101.60
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TREASURY NOTES-TAX SERIES B-1943
Purchase Price and Tax-Payment Value During Successive Months
Table, showing for each month from August 1941, to August 1943, for notes of each denomination, the principal amount
with accrued interest added. The total shown for any denomination, for any month-August through December 1941while the notes remain on sale, is the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note during that month. Also, the total shown for
any denomination for any month thereafter is the Tax-Payment Value, or the amount at which the note will be acceptable
during that month in payment of Federal income taxes.
$100
$1,000
$500
$10,000
$100,000
PURCHASE PRICE
August, 1941
September, 1941
October, 1941
November, 1941
December, 1941
$100.00
100.04
$500.00
500.20
$1,000.00
1,000.40
$10,000
10,004
10,008
10,012
10,016
100.08
500.40
100.12
500.60
1,000.80
1,001.20
100.
500.8
1,001.60
$100,000
100,040
100,080
100,120
100,160
TAX-PAYMENT VALUE
$100.2
January, 1942
$501.0
501.20
501.40
$1, 002 00
1, 003. 20
1, 003. 60
1, 002. 40
$10,020
10,024
February, 1942
100.24
100.28
April, 1942
May, 1942
100.
501.60
100.
501.80
100. 40
100. 44
100. 48
100. 52
100. 56
100. 60
100. 64
502.00
502.20
502.40
502.80
503.00
503.20
1,004.80
1,005.20
1, 005.
1,006.00
1,006.40
100 68
503. 40
006.8
10,068
100. 72
503.60
503.
504.
504.20
1,007.20
MARCH, 1942
JUNE, 1942
July, 1942
August, 1942
SEPTEMBER, 1942
October, 1942
November, 1942
DECEMBER, 1942
January, 1943
February, 1943
MARCH. 1943
April, 1943
100.
100. 80
100.84
100.88
May, 1943
JUNE. 1943
July, 1943
August, 1943
PRINTING
502.
100.9
504.
504.
100.96
504.80
10-23407
1,002.80
1,004.00
1, 004.
10,028
10,032
10,036
10,040
10,044
10,048
10,052
10,056
10,060
10,064
1,008.00
10,072
10,076
10,080
1,008.40
1,008.80
10,084
10,088
1,009.20
1,009.60
10,092
007.6
10,096
$100,200
100,240
100,280
100,320
100,360
100,400
100,440
100,480
100,520
100,560
100,600
100,640
100,680
100,720
100,760
100,
100,
100,880
100,920
100,960
4
August 1, 1941
9:23 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Mr. Cox
HMJr:
Hello.
Oscar
Cox:
Hello, Mr. Secretary.
HMJr:
How are you feeling?
C:
Pretty good.
HMJr:
Good. Oscar, what's going on for my friend,
Pleven?
We sent over one requisition to the President
for his signature on stuff to equip boats for
the use of the Free French.
C:
HMJr:
Yes.
C:
And also, we're going to put through one
for some trucks.
HMJr:
One what?
C:
One for some trucks.
HMJr:
Yes.
C:
Policy determined. And I'll let you know
as soon as any development takes place on
them. I think the one on the boats has
probably been signed already.
HMJr:
Oh, really? Well, just as soon as you find
C:
I certainly will.
HMJr:
That's number one; and number two, Kamarck's
C:
Famonville?
out, will you let me know?
in contact with this Major
5
-2How'd you ever get hold of him?
HMJr:
Yeah.
C:
Well, we suggested to the General that he
ought to get somebody who knew something
about Russia.
HMJr:
Yeah.
C:
And 80 he scouted out in the Army and found
that this fellow who had been Attache over
there not only knew Russian, but was good.
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
General Burns did?
Yeah. He's a good fellow, Famonville is.
Oh yes, you know that the - I understand that
the State Department had him withdrawn from
Russia.
C:
Yeah. Yeah, he's very sympathetic and he's
very smart.
HMJr:
Yeah.
C:
You probably will have to get into that thing
HMJr:
C:
at some later date.
Well, Oumansky's bringing this Russian man
that sounds like a - name like a mouth-wash over here at eleven.
Yeah. Purvis says he's a very competent guy,
this Russian.
HMJr:
C:
Yeah. Are you fellows going to do anything
for them?
Well, we're trying, but the Army and the Navy
don't want to give up anything.
HMJr:
Oh, for God'a sake!
C:
The same old problem.
HMJr:
Well, did they get any of those Curtiss P-40's
that were in England?
6
- -3 C:
The President has ordered them gotten, but
they haven't gotten them yet, and also a
squadron of aircraft out of the Army.
HMJr:
You mean to say those boxed planes, supposedly
boxed in England, that they haven't got those
yet?
C:
That's right. They're allocated, but they
haven't gotten them.
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
Well, what're they going to do? Wait until
winter comes?
Gee, I hope not. But
But that - the impression I got - ten days ago
the President was under the impression that he
got them.
C:
Yeah, I know he was, but they still haven't
gotten them yet.
HMJr:
Have they got anything?
C:
No.
HMJr:
They haven't got anything?
C:
No. They've got a lot of stuff promised,
but they haven't gotten anything yet.
HMJr:
Well, I'll be damned.
C:
Look, can I send you a memorandum I got up
for Wayne Coy?
HMJr:
On what?
C:
On suggesting some change in this defense
setup 80 that you can get problems like that
disposed of?
HMJr:
Sure.
C:
Because I think they run into them and it wastes
7
-4so much of the President's time
HMJr:
Sure.
and it doesn't make any sense.
C:
HMJr:
Have you read July 28, "The Mirage of Production",
by Michael Strait?
C:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
You have?
C:
Yeah.
HMJr:
Okay.
C:
Have you seen this issue of Fortune that's
coming out?
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
C:
No.
Well, it's all on the defense program. A lot
of it's on the same stuff.
I see. Critical?
Critical, but favorable, generally, to the
President. Critical of OPM and that kind
of thing.
HMJr:
Okay.
C:
Right.
HMJr:
Good-bye.
C:
Good-bye.
8
August 1, 1941
9:28 a.m.
HMJr:
Operator:
Grace
Tully:
Hello. Hello.
I'll have her in just a minute.
Mr. Secretary, I got through to the big
man.
HMJr:
Wonderful!
T:
And the big man says he will call Sam
right away.
HMJr:
Wonderful.
T:
So I think that's taken care of.
HMJr:
What a girl!
T:
(Laughs)
HMJr:
All right.
T:
All right, sir. I'll - when I see the
President this morning, we'll see what
happened on that
HMJr:
Yeah.
and what they decided, and then I'll
T:
let you know.
HMJr:
Right.
T:
All right. Grand, sir.
HMJr:
Thank you.
T:
All right. Good-bye.
9
August 1, 1941
9:30 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Here's Miss Tully again.
HMJr:
Thanks.
Operator:
Go ahead.
HMJr:
Hello.
Grace
Tully:
Hello.
HMJr:
Yes.
T:
Mr. Secretary, our records show that he did
not speak to the Speaker last night, so my
agent must have forgotten to remind him.
HMJr:
I see.
T:
I tell you what I can do. I can see if I
can get through to the boss this morning
and ask him if he wants you to call the
Speaker and explain.
HMJr:
All right. Good.
T:
Want me to call you back?
HMJr:
Wonderful.
T:
All right. I'll ask him if he'd like you
HMJr:
to do that job. Maybe he doesn't have time
this morning to speak to the Speaker, but if
you'd do it, why that would be grand.
Right. And may I say in all seriousness,
I really tremendously appreciate the services
that you're giving me.
T:
Well, you're very welcome.
HMJr:
No, I want to say this, that in the eight
10
-2years I've been here, nobody's taken 88 good
care of me.
T:
Well, thank you very much, Mr. Secretary.
HMJr:
Thank you.
T:
And I'll call you back just as soon as I
HMJr:
Thank you.
T:
Look. Would you flash my operator again? I
get through to the boss.
HMJr:
can't do it through my apartment house here.
Just a minute.
T:
Right.
HMJr:
Just a minute.
Hello.
Operator:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
Miss Tully wants the White House.
Operator:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
Miss Tully wants the White House.
11
August 1, 1941
9:45 a.m.
HMJr:
Secretary
to Senator
Hello.
Walsh:
Yes, Mr. Morgenthau.
HMJr:
Look. I got your message about Senator
Walsh.
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
Here's my trouble. I have Cabinet this
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
S:
HMJr:
S:
afternoon at two.
And I leave right after that to go home.
Yes, sir.
But I'm free from now until twelve o'clock.
Until twelve o'clock.
HMJr:
Is there any way of getting UB together?
S:
I think there is, sir. He - the Senator
has gone to the Navy Department, and I can
reach him there and he can probably see you
immediately after he gets through at the
Navy Department, which will probably be
about half past ten or 80.
HMJr:
Well
S:
I'll have him call you, sir, from the
Navy Department.
HMJr:
Would you do that, because I really would
like to see him this morning.
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
I'd be glad to come up on the Hill.
11
August 1, 1941
9:45 a.m.
HMJr:
Secretary
to Senator
Hello.
Walsh:
Yes, Mr. Morgenthau.
HMJr:
Look. I got your message about Senator
Walsh.
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
Here's my trouble. I have Cabinet this
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
And I leave right after that to go home.
S:
Yes, sir.
afternoon at two.
S:
But I'm free from now until twelve o'clock.
Until twelve o'clock.
HMJr:
Is there any way of getting us together?
S:
I think there is, sir. He - the Senator
HMJr:
has gone to the Navy Department, and I can
reach him there and he can probably see you
immediately after he gets through at the
Navy Department, which will probably be
about half past ten or so.
HMJr:
Well
S:
I'11 have him call you, sir, from the
Navy Department.
HMJr:
Would you do that, because I really would
like to see him this morning.
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
I'd be glad to come up on the Hill.
12
-2S:
Oh no, because he'11 be down there, sir. He
HMJr:
Could you reach him there, then?
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
S:
can go right to your office.
And then I'll wait until I hear from him.
All right, Mr. Morgenthau.
HMJr:
Thank you.
S:
Yes, sir.
13
August 1, 1941
9:47 a.m.
Dean
Acheson:
Hello.
HMJr:
I called and spoke to Sumner Welles yesterday
to tell him how delighted I am how this committee of yourself and Foley and Shea has
been operating.
A:
Well, you're very good. He - Sumner called
HMJr:
Yes.
me in last night
A:
and said that you had spoken to him,
and that he assumed that this had something
remotely to do with my activities and that
I was to be commended about it.
HMJr:
(Laughs) Well
A:
And I said, "Not at all. It was just everybody's work together on it. #
HMJr:
Well, that was what I hoped he'd do, but I
A:
Yeah, he did.
HMJr:
And
A:
That was very nice.
HMJr:
It's the best liaison we've ever had with
didn't know whether he would or not.
the State Department.
A:
HMJr:
Well, fine, Henry. I'm going to try and
keep it that way and improve it.
Well, it won't be difficult; and Welles seemed
very much pleased, too, 80
A:
Well, that's fine. I had a long talk with
Frank Shea yesterday.
HMJr:
Yeah.
14
-2A:
Apparently Biddle had spoken to him, and
he came to me and asked me whether I would
be very frank with him and tell him whether
I thought that he had been difficult.
HMJr:
A:
HMJr:
A:
Yeah.
And I said, well, if he wanted me to be very
frank, the only thing that I could say was
that I thought he had.
Yeah.
And I didn't think it was necessary and I
couldn't understand what the continual row
that he was trying to bring up, was, what
it amounted to. It just didn't seem to me
to be anything.
HMJr:
Yeah.
A:
So we had sort of a heart-to-heart talk about
HMJr:
Uh huh.
this
and he said he didn't mean to be diffi-
A:
cult....
HMJr:
Yeah.
and he was talking to reform. (Laughs)
A:
HMJr:
A:
Splendid.
Then he said that some time ago he'd asked
me to write a memorandum about my conversation
with you when we started this thing, and he
HMJr:
A:
Yeah.
.....and the only thing I could think of was
that this would be used for controversial
#
asked me if I had done it. And I said, "Well,
I had started to do it, and then I began to
think what in the world I was doing it for
15
-3purposes, so I tore it up and I said, "I'm
not writing any memoranda about my conversations with anybody. #
HMJr:
Oh.
A:
So we've just got to all get along together.
HMJr:
Good. All right. Hope to see you soon.
A:
Fine, Henry. Thank you very much.
I think he'11 be much better.
16
August 1, 1941
9:55 a.m.
GROUP MEETING
Present:
Miss Chauncey
Mr. Foley
Mr. Viner
Mr. Thompson
Mr. Cochran
Mr. White
Mr. Gaston
Mr. Sullivan
Mr. Blough
Mr. Schwarz
Mr. Kuhn
Mr. Graves
Mr. Bell
Mr. Odegard
H.M.Jr:
Good morning, everybody. The only thing I
have got, Harold, here, to follow up, is
Gardner Jackson't call about the meat butchers'
wanting to give us a million and a half.
Graves:
I turned that over last night to Mr. Houghteling, who already knew all about it, and he is
going to arrange for those people to come in
and see you some day next week.
(Mr. Bell entered the conference.)
H.M.Jr:
Mr. Gaston?
Gaston:
Harold spoke to me about Jesse Jones' getting
some space at Number Two Park Avenue.
H.M.Jr:
At a dollar thirty, sixty day cancellation
clause.
17
-2Gaston:
Well, our situation is that after I went up to
New York last week we rejected all the bids
we had because none of them were fully consis-
tent with our proposal. They weren't contiguous space. If we were going to take non-
contiguous space, there were some other buildings that should have had an opportunity to
bid, but we are putting out new proposals and
new bids have come in on the thing, and we
haven't sized them up yet. The cheapest space
was about that dollar thirty figure, on the
offers we got, but it was pretty bad space.
H.M.Jr:
Well, you might take a look at Number Two
Park Avenue, and the President doesn't want
us to tie up for any length of time. Those
are orders.
Gaston:
Would that mean --
H.M.Jr:
Sixty day cancellation clause.
Gaston:
Sixty day cancellation?
H.M.Jr:
Yes.
(Mr. Odegard entered the conference.)
Gaston:
All right. We asked for space in buildings
below Chambers Street, so we couldn't consider
Number Two Park Avenue.
H.M.Jr:
How many thousand feet do you want?
Gaston:
About seventy thousand.
H.M.Jr:
I said sixty, that is pretty close.
Gaston:
Pretty close, yes.
H.M.Jr:
I was fifty per cent right, Ed. I wrote it out
and forgot to tell you.
18
-3Foley:
Oh.
Gaston:
Well, I will take a look at that place.
H.M.Jr:
I don't know whose it is. It is Thirty-fourth
Street. He doesn't say --
Gaston:
No, no, not under the new numbering. They are
way down at Twenty-third Street.
H.M.Jr:
Want to make a bet?
Gaston:
The old numbering was Number One Park Avenue
Whose building is that, do you know?
at the corner of Thirty-fourth Street, but
that was changed by city ordinance. They moved
the lower numbers way down. This may be old
Number Two, but it wouldn't be Number Two now.
H.M.Jr:
I won't argue.
Foley:
It used to be right across from the Vanderbilt
Hotel. I made a good bet last night with
Frank Knox. Ten dollars. He named the amount
and the conditions. He said that before the
first of September that Leningrad, Moscow,
Smolensk and Odessa would fall.
White:
I would like to take nine dollars of that.
Gaston:
By when?
H.M.Jr:
Before the first of September. Ten dollars.
How much do you want?
White:
Nine.
Gaston:
Which way?
H.M.Jr:
Why are you so conservative?
19
-4White:
I want to leave you a buck.
Sullivan:
I would like to lose eight dollars. I will
White:
give you nine on that.
Make it ten.
Viner:
All four will fall?
H.M.Jr:
All four.
Viner:
That is not a way to make a good bet. He
ought to say three out of those four, because
they may not want one of those. (Laughter)
H.M.Jr:
I thought it was interesting. You (Sullivan)
Sullivan:
I already have.
H.M.Jr:
How much?
Sullivan:
Ten with each of us.
H.M.Jr:
Same bet?
White:
No, an additional bet.
Sullivan:
That is right.
White:
Anybody else want to lose any money?
Sullivan:
I want to lose that bet, I will tell you.
H.M.Jr:
You don't want to bet with me?
Sullivan:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
Crowding you a little bit?
Sullivan:
Not crowding me. Nobody can crowd me. I stop
want to bet on Frank Knox's set-up?
when I have got enough. I will take another
ten. Do you want another ten?
20
-5H.M.Jr:
Yes.
Sullivan:
All right, you have got it.
H.M.Jr:
No, it isn't fair.
Sullivan:
Why not?
H.M.Jr:
It is too much. Twenty dollars is plenty.
I will get a thousand dollars' worth of satisfaction out of winning it from Frank Knox.
White:
You will get much more out of John. You will
H.M.Jr:
That is why I say it isn't fair. He is up
never let him forget it.
against the two of you, and it is enough.
White:
That is about right odds. (Laughter)
H.M.Jr:
What were you saying?
Odegard:
I just wanted to ask if these losses and gains
were taxable on the one hand, and deductible
on the other.
Bell:
They are taxable, but they are not deductible.
Sullivan:
The losses are deductible only up to the point
of your gains, and you be sure you report your
gains.
Odegard:
I was worried about you, John.
H.M.Jr:
Herbert?
Gaston:
I was going to say, about this cancellation
clause, we could put that in, but it costs
just about as much for alterations in the
space we take as a year's rent, just about,
because our stuff is so badly cut up.
21
-6H.M.Jr:
Well, this is what he wants.
Gaston:
Yes, right.
H.M.Jr:
He has a reason.
Gaston:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
All right?
Gaston:
Yes, all right.
Foley:
When I spoke to the Russian Ambassador, he
wanted to know if we had drafts of those
notes by eleven o'clock. I told him, "I
don't know."
Gaston:
To interrupt, the Russian Ambassador wants
H.M.Jr:
This isn't the one that is in the Baltic,
is it?
Gaston:
No, she is in the Bering. She is in the -
you to know that he has offered to lend us
the icebreaker Krassin for eight months.
around Bering Straits right now.
H.M.Jr:
Going to lend it to us?
Gaston:
For eight months. Of course, she badly needs
dry docking, and they have got no place to
dry dock it and they won't need it until the
first of April.
H.M.Jr:
Can we use it?
Gaston:
I think there is a possibility if we can get
it through in time It might be some use off
the east coast of Greenland, but I am not sure.
For any spring work on the west coast, of
course, the first of April is just about the
22
-7-
time when this deal would expire, just about
the time we need it, but there might be a
chance to do some work with it in September,
which is only - I am a little doubtful whether
she could be gotten then.
H.M.Jr:
Their crew or our crew?
Gaston:
I assume our own crew. They said lend the
boat. I don't think we want a Russian crew
aboard. I don't think it is feasible, but
he just wanted you to know that.
H.M.Jr:
Thank you.
Foley:
I told him that we would have --
H.M.Jr:
No, no, it hurries me.
Foley:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
And I want Welles to know about it.
Foley:
Yes, I know.
H.M.Jr:
Anything else?
Foley:
This Tatuta Maru is in a first class mess out
H.M.Jr:
Anything more than what you --
Foley:
Yes, there are seven or eight libels attached.
The marshals are on board and she is still
in San Francisco.
there. I was trying to get hold of Dean.
Gaston:
They weren't planning to leave until noon.
H.M.Jr:
Well, I am not - I mean, I am not interested
in the last minute. I mean, if she goes, all
right, and if she stays, let me know. You
23
-8might let me know before five minutes of two
where it stands.
Gaston:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
When I go to Cabinet.
Gaston:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
You might get me at five minutes of two.
Gaston:
We washed our hands of it.
H.M.Jr:
Where were you from around five to seven last
night, John?
Sullivan:
Well
H.M.Jr:
Because Mr. Doughton concentrated on me.
Sullivan:
I was in the office until about --
H.M.Jr:
About every five minutes he called me after
Sullivan:
H.M.Jr:
Sullivan:
H.M.Jr:
he got the letter.
.... quarter past six. I was home after that.
Last night?
Oh, yes. I am supposed to go up there on the
Hill but Senator Walsh was coming here at
nine and I sat here all morning waiting and
he went over to the Navy Department. He
was supposed to come over. I haven't been
able to get up on the Hill.
Well, he hasn't called me at all, sir.
Well, we will just sit. What should he do?
He can't reach the President. He can't do
this. What about publicity? It would be
terrible if it got out. I talked to Grace
Tully, and she talked to the President.
24
-9She called me. It was back and forth, back and
forth. The President wants to get it in the
papers and Doughton doesn't. My money is on
the President.
Gaston:
If Doughton can keep the news to himself alone --
H.M.Jr:
I think you will see it will begin to leak
shortly. That is the latest report. Not
from Treasury though. I have got nothing to
do with it. He talked very nice to me, still,
very friendly like. He said that three times -every time I would say, "Yes," he would say,
"What is that you said?" I would say, "Yes".
"Why don't you answer me?" "Yes." "I can't
hear you." It was a wonderful conversation.
(Laughter)
Sullivan:
Yesterday afternoon up on the Hill of course
they didn't know anything about this thing
and they were all telling me if the Secretary
doesn't get a strong statement in favor of
this thing up here, this is going to be licked.
H.M.Jr:
Well, Mr. Roosevelt is handling it personally,
so we will see what happens.
Sullivan:
We just have nothing to say about anything.
H.M.Jr:
No, how can I tell Robert Doughton what he
should do between himself and the President?
The President won't talk to him. We will
just sit.
Sullivan:
If it is put up to us whether we inspired this
or not, like the last time --
H.M.Jr:
You were out on the golf links, just tell them
Sullivan:
Well, they know that Dan and Ed and I were there'
that.
Thursday afternoon.
25
- 10 H.M.Jr:
Then say Dan inspired it.
Bell:
O.K.
H.M.Jr:
No, you don't know anything.
Cochran:
That message we received last night at six
thirty from London gave about the assurances
I think you wanted on the distribution and
so on of Lend-Lease goods.
H.M.Jr:
Did you send it to me?
Cochran:
Yes, sir.
H.M.Jr:
I read everything you sent to me.
Cochran:
This was the last one that came last night.
H.M.Jr:
What was that? I read them all.
Cochran:
That is this one.
H.M.Jr:
Thank you. Do you circularize these?
Cochran:
Oh, yes. That is being circularized this
morning, copies of it.
H.M.Jr:
It is all right, isn't it?
Cochran:
I thought it was.
H.M.Jr:
Well, circularize it and I will take it up to
Cochran:
That I gave you last night, too.
H.M.Jr:
Well, get Section One and I will take the stuff
Cochran:
Coyne sent me --
the country and read it. Where is Section One?
with me to the country.
26
- 11 H.M.Jr:
What?
Cochran:
Coyne sent me a complete series of the
Canadian Victory Bond documents.
H.M.Jr:
Oh, I would like that. Well, Bell gets
copies and Foley and White.
Cochran:
Of this too?
H.M.Jr:
Sure.
Cochran:
Oh, that is all right. And I sent copies to
Phil Young also.
H.M.Jr:
That is a good heading. Have you seen this?
Cochran:
No.
H.M.Jr:
Professor Viner, we are all balled up this
"Canada must borrow for victory." I will take
this home and look at it. Anything else?
morning with troubles, so pending when I
hear from Senator Walsh and the Russian
Ambassador bringing in General Hair Tonic at
eleven o'clock -- (Laughter). That is as near
as I can come to pronouncing it. You
pronounce it.
Foley:
Goliakoff.
H.M.Jr:
He is a first cousin of the economic adviser
to Mr. Hull, Mr. Pasvolsky.
Foley:
Same thing, a slippery name.
H.M.Jr:
So we will see, Jake, how we get along.
If you will stay behind pending when I hear
from the great Senator Walsh. Roy?
Blough:
Harry Hamann in Foreign Funds and the Secret
Service wouldn't let him keep him because he
had a mother in Hungary. Would you have any
27
- 12 objections to my taking him over?
White:
He is an able man, and came very well recommended
from the SEC, where he had been working for
many years.
H.M.Jr:
He has got a mother in Hungary?
White:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
What the hell has that got to do with it?
White:
Well, on the Foreign Funds the Secret Service
pointed out the possibility that he may be
subject to pressure and I think that in that
area we want to be extremely careful.
H.M.Jr:
Is he an American citizen?
White:
Yes. He has been here, I should imagine,
about fifteen years or something like that.
Buckley recommended him first to me, Young's
assistant, but in Taxes he wouldn't have access
to any of that material. He is going to have
him, I understand, on state taxes. I think
that is what you mentioned to me, Roy.
Blough:
Business and corporation taxes.
White:
That is right.
Blough:
We are a little bit on the spot on that, Mr.
Secretary, because I took him away from SEC
and we got their permission --
H.M.Jr:
Who is arguing that he shouldn't go?
Blough:
Just wanted to make sure that you had no object-
H.M.Jr:
Of course not. My God, it would be a pretty
ions.
mess. Did you consult Jimmie Dunn on it?
28
- 13 White:
Jimmie Dunn? No, I never thought of that.
That would be one way of keeping him, I should
think. (Laughter)
H.M.Jr:
All right. What else?
Blough:
For the members of the group, I have copies
of the Ways and Means Committee Report on
the tax bill, if they are sufficiently interested
in it. I will be glad to hand them out after
the meeting.
H.M.Jr:
I would do that, after the meeting.
Blough:
Would you care for one, Mr. Secretary?
H.M.Jr:
I would love one. What else? Ferdie?
Kuhn:
I have nothing.
H.M.Jr:
I am going to call Ferdie "Maestro" from now
Kuhn:
I have nothing.
H.M.Jr:
Mr. Lorenz all right?
Odegard:
So far as I know. He is still sober.
H.M.Jr:
Still sober? (Laughter) Is that something?
Odegard:
I think it would be impossible for him to be
H.M.Jr:
What else?
Odegard:
That is all.
Schwarz:
on.
otherwise.
I picked these up off Fitzgerald's desk (handing
clippings to Secretary).
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- 14 H.M.Jr:
I don't think you have been quite the same since
you had that all night session with him.
Odegard:
I haven't.
H.M.Jr:
What else?
Schwarz:
That is all.
H.M.Jr:
Harry?
White:
I have nothing.
H.M.Jr:
Harold?
Graves:
I have nothing. I take it you don't want us
H.M.Jr:
No, I have got the Russians coming in. I
Graves:
I have nothing.
H.M.Jr:
Daniel?
Bell:
I wanted to give you this letter that Henderson
at eleven.
think we will just have to let it go.
wrote on the Executive Order to control consumer
credit (July 25, 1941). I merely acknowledged
it and said I would bring it to your attention.
H.M.Jr:
I will take it to the country.
White:
Mr. Secretary, I don't know whether there
would be any occasion in which you would want
to say anything about cotton, but I think that
that is an inexcusable step for them to hold
on to that cotton.
H.M.Jr:
I agree with you.
White:
That they have, and I understand, reading the
report and talking with MacDonald of the
30
- 15 Price Committee, Wickard took no action at all.
He wouldn't even see the President about it
and nobody else saw anybody -H.M.Jr:
Have you got the facts?
White:
H.M.Jr:
Well, that is what the - that fact, yes.
I mean for me to bring it up at Cabinet, I
Bell:
There is a bill introduced.
White:
The facts are that they are not going to sell
the cotton except at a higher price. They
are holding it for a higher price.
H.M.Jr:
Well, have you got any arguments for me?
White:
Oh, yes, very definitely.
H.M.Jr:
Can you give me a memo at five minutes of two?
White:
Let me try and see if it is good enough.
H.M.Jr:
All right.
Bell:
There is a bill introduced in Congress to
H.M.Jr:
It is terrible. I think it is terrible.
Bell:
would have to be about a hundred and one per
cent sure.
freeze the cotton and the wheat.
What els e?
This price control bill of Henderson's, I
understand, is going to be handled by the
Banking and Currency Committee and that you
will probably be called to testify. I have
a suspicion, before the thing gets through,
that it will go into the whole monetary field
about like the Wagner resolution contemplated.
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- 16 H.M.Jr:
I see.
Bell:
That may be the reason why they haven't agreed
H.M.Jr:
Good.
Bell:
So that you may have to appear before those
upon it yet. I just have that suspicion, that
they are going to get into the whole monetary
field.
Committees before you go away.
H.M.Jr:
Are we buying much silver?
Cochran:
Not very much lately. Canada hasn't given
her full quota for some months.
H.M.Jr:
If a man is a manufacturer of silver in this
country he has got to use foreign silver,
hasn't he?
Cochran:
Yes.
White:
Well, he gets it for thirty-five cents an
Bell:
He has got to unless he wants to pay seventy-
White:
No domestic manufacturer would sell it --
H.M.Jr:
Unless he is crazy. What else?
Bell:
That is all.
Thompson:
The Executive Order establishing the Economic
Defense Board provides that members may desig-
ounce less.
one cents.
nate alternates.
H.M.Jr:
Bring it up Monday, please.
Sullivan:
Mr. Secretary, while we were discussing the
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rubber taxes, it was brought to our attention
that although local rubber stocks are subject
to priorities and control, there is a British
organization in New York that is writing to
all these manufacturers telling them that
they have plenty of rubber and if there is if the manufacturer has any difficulty, to
get in touch with them, and they will be glad
to supply them. I think I ought to bring that
to the attention of OPM. If there is such a
shortage of rubber, I think they ought to
have a bid on those foreign stocks. They are
writing to all of the American manufacturers
and I have one of those letters.
H.M.Jr:
Do it.
Sullivan:
McLean of New Jersey turned it over to me.
H.M.Jr:
Dan, give me a thumbnail sketch of how the
publicity and promotion stands on these
taxpayers' notes of yours.
Bell:
My! Well, the official circular was released
this morning and it is contemplated that there
would be a certain amount of radio publicity.
I can't give you the details, but I have got
a memorandum of it. It would go pretty well
throughout the country in the next ten to
twelve days and after that the publicity will
stop.
H.M.Jr:
Will stop?
Bell:
Yes.
Now, maybe at the next month we ought to get
out another little statement as to what has
been done and that they will continue and the
new price, but that is about all that is contemplated.
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- 18 H.M.Jr:
Well, let's see how they go and we can decide.
Schwarz:
I heard a spot announcement last night on the
radio. Not the regular news flash, but the
spot announcement.
Bell:
The radio is cooperating very well. There
will be some questions which will fit into
the Savings Bond question. You remember Callahan said he thought we were over-doing that a
little and he wanted to reduce it to three
days a week and that extra three days he would
take up in tax note questions.
H.M.Jr:
Yes. O.K.
Bell:
Apparently there are a lot of inquiries and
there is a good deal of interest. We are going to get a lot of money.
White:
There was a news item about having three mil-
lion dollars worth of gold, which is illegal.
I don't know whether somebody is doing some-
thing about it. Did you notice?
Foley:
Yes.
H.M.Jr:
O.K.
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August 1, 1941
Files
Mr. Cochras
At the 3:15 Staff Meeting hold in the Secretary's office yesterday afterthe Secretary asked Mr. Graves to tell Mr. Mask that the Treasury Department
moon, to clear the requisitions of the British which have been held up pending a
was decision on the subject of lead-leasing goods to Great Britain which may be die-
tributed through private channels is such a way as to permit "prefiteering"
answer to the question which I raised at the meeting. the Secretary stated that
we In could "give the green light" not only for the requisitions now pending. but for
such similar requisitions that may be received before the Secretary has had as
opportunity to look into the question as it now stands, and take a definite decision
in the premises.
After the Staff Meeting this morning. Mr. Viner and I were discussing this
subject, and the question aress as to whether enyone had been instructed to let the
Lead-Lease people know of the decision which was takes yesterday. With Mr. Viner
present, I telephoned the Lend-Lease office. and speke with Mr. Cox, in the absence of
of Mr. Young. Mr. Cox had received se word is regard to the Secretary's meeting
afternoon. I made 11 clear to Mr. Goz that the Secretary still reserved
yesterday his position on the general question, but did not desire that any British requisitions to
be hold up in the mostine, issefer as the Treasury is concerned. I explained
Mr. Gox that I had given the Secretary a full set of the eablegrame fres Leades,
including the one received late last night setting forth the text of a British the stateIt was the Secretary's idea that he would study these documents ever
ment. weekend, and that we would have a meeting with the British on Tuesday of next week.
I also telephoned Mr. Graves and reported my conversation with Mr. Gox. with It
agreed that Mr. Graves would ask Mr. Neek or his assistant to get is touch is
Mr. was Cox is order that there would be no possible delay incofer as the treasury
with the licenses under reference. I gave Mr. Graves some background the
concerned information on the conversations which have taken place between the British,
Lead-Lease officials and the Treasury the past for days.
After this conversation, I telephoned Mr. Bewley, Financial Counseler Morgeather of the
British Nabasay, and told his to got in touch with Mr. Dox since Secretary taking care of
had now given a clearance, incefar as the Treasury is concerned, for week. I explained
the accusulation of requisitions which we have been discussing this question, and is
clearly that the Secretary 10 reserving his position on the general week, but that be
looking into 10 at once, with the idea of resolving 11 early next of the current
did not vest the Treasury to be is any way responsible for delaying Secretary's any helpful
British requisitions. Mr. Bewley was most appreciative of the is contacting Mr.
consideration, and said that he would get Mr. Archer busy at once be difficulty
I asked Mr. Bowley to let no know personally if there night any to have a
or Goz. delay. Furthermore, I let Mr. Bevley know that the Secretary hoped
AMA
meeting with the British at 3 o'clock on Tuesday sent.
HMC:dm:8/1/41
35
EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
WASHINGTON D.C.
August 1, 1941.
Dear Secretary Morgenthau:
1) On our telephone conversation of this
morning about lend-lease aid to the Free French:
The President signed the directive authorizing the
United Kingdom to re-transfer aid to the Free French.
For your information, I am enclosing a copy of the
directive.
2) For your confidential information, I am en-
closing a copy of a memorandum on setting up a Council
for Defense Policy. As I mentioned, it could do better
on the Russian situation than the present set-up.
Sincerely yours,
Oscar lot
Hon. Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury,
Treasury Department,
Washington, D. C.
Enclosures
36
COPY
July 31, 1941.
My dear Mr. Purvis:
By my letter of June 13, 1941, I authorized the
Secretary of the Navy to transfer certain defense articles
to His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, among
them the following:
Quantity
Requisition Number
166
Articles - Description
64,110,000 ft.
DeGaussing Cable
By my letters of May 16, May 22, May 31, June 9, and
June 13, 1941, I authorized the Chairman of the Maritime Commission
to transfer certain defense articles to His Majesty's Government in
the United Kingdom, among them the following:
Quantity
Articles - Description
435,000 yards
Lead Covered DeGaussing
Requisition Number
382
382-A1
Cable for tankers various patterns and
sizes
382-A3
1000
Tanker Junction Boxes
Manifolds
Engine Room Switchboards
"COS 60" Ironclad Change-
200
Manifolds
"COS 30" Ironclad Change-
1500
250
50
510
510-A
over Switches for
over Switches for Fi and
Q1 Circuits.
32450
Glands for Armour Clamp
6,807,000 ft.
DeGaussing Cable - various
sizes and patterns
and Bulkhead
37
-2- -
Quantity
Requisition Number
602
2,500,000 ft.
DeGaussing Cable - various
sizes and patterns
960
Switch panels. Type "M".
602-A
758
Articles - Description
including one 100 amp.
ammeter
864,000 ft.
Casings and Covers - 5" x 7"
786
Various
DeGaussing Instrument Parts
(Fluxmeter)
1366
2,400,000 ft.
DeGaussing Cable - Various
sizes and Patterns
Pursuant to Section 4 of the Act of March 11, 1941,
entitled "An Act Further to Promote the Defense of the United
States, and for other purposes", I hereby authorize His
Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom to transfer such
quantities of those articles as it may deem necessary to the
French Volunteer Force (Free French).
Very sincerely yours,
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (Sgd.)
Hon. Arthur B. Purvis
Chairman, British Supply Council
in North America
Willard Hotel
Washington, D.C.
38
MEMORANDUM
July 31, 1941
TO:
The President
FROM:
Wayne Coy
SUBJECT: Council for Defense Policy.
1. In the light of the public talk about setting up
one man to run the defense program, you may want to consider two
alternatives which are likely to be more workable.
2. One alternative would be to expand the Office for
Emergency Management by the addition of a very few top-notch
staff people, without administrative or operating duties, who
would act as catalytic agents in getting policy questions presented for decision to you directly, or through Mr. Hopkins, in
the most time-saving manner.
3. The other alternative would be to appoint a Council
for Defense Policy, consisting of the Secretaries of War, Navy,
State and Treasury, the Vice President is suggested so that the Council
for Defense Policy can deal with the problem of coordinating the
interrelated problems of supply, economic defense and political and
39
-2military strategy. To conserve the time of the members of the Council
who are members of the Economic Defense Board, they will doubtless, and
should, designate alternates to sit on the subordinate Economic Defense
Board.
4. To make it workable, the Council for Defense Policy should
have its own small secretariat or executive staff, maintaining liaison
with all governmental agencies concerned with national defense. The
Office for Emergency Management, or a similar staff, could do this ser-
vice job. The Secretariat at the direction of the Board, or on its
own initiative, could strip the policy issues for decision, and buttress
them with the facts necessary for decision and execution.
5. The Council for Defense Policy could determine or make recommendations to you on the following types of major policy questions:
a) Central Defense Requirements.
In developing a munitions pawer sufficient
to achieve victory over the axis powers, should
we, in conjunction with Britain and the others
fighting the aggressors, plan to match or outstrip the axis powers on the available supply
and productive capacity for guns, tanks and planes?
The Council for Defense Policy, with the assistance
of its own staff, could do all the groundwork on
-3 this, and make concrete recommendations to
you to meet the objective agreed upon.
b) Allocation between U.S., Britain, U.S.S.R.
and China, etc.
Such allocation problems are recurrently
presented. You time could be conserved if all
the relevant facts were gathered by the Council
and its staff and definite recommendations were
made to you. The present problem Vis a vis Russia
indicates how difficult it is to get the Army or
the British to give up equipment on which they
have a claim. Since there is not enough equipment presently available to supply all needs,
a high policy question is involved in the dis-
tribution of it. It would be of material and
time-saving assistance to have the facts and the
issues clearly presented to you for decision.
c) Priorities.
Once the all-out objectives or requirements
are articulated, major policy questions are still
presented in the intermediate stages such as the
40
-present. If we are to have a two-ocean
navy, should all naval items receive first
and highest priority, or, instead of having
15 cruisers, for example, would we intermediately
rather have 7 cruisers and a thousand heavy four-
engine bombers, consistent with the ultimate ob-
jective? Put another way: Should four-engine
bombers come ahead of naval aircraft patrol
ships?
d)
Political, Economic, Military and Naval Strategy.
The situation in the Far East illustrates
the close connection of all of these strategies.
For example, if Japan wants to sell us silk, should
we buy it? Have we presently enough silk for
parachutes and other military needs? If we buy
or don't buy silk from Japan, what effect will
it have on the political and military policy of
the Government?
e)
Jurisdictional Questions.
To conserve your time the Council for Defense
Policy could wither resolve such conflicts as
41
42
-those between OPM and OPACS or make concrete
recommendations on a method or methods for
avoiding such conflicts. In this connection,
consideration should be given to the possibility
of asking Congress for overall governmental
reorganization powers for defense purposes, such
as was granted in the last war by the Overman Act.
f) Other Major Defense Policy Questions.
There will doubtless be innumerable high policy
questions relating to defense which the Council
can decide or put up to you for decision.
6. Membership in the Council for Defense Policy could be
made sufficiently flexible to permit adjustments for future developments.
It might be desired to add to the Council members who would have no
fixed administrative responsibilities or to have on it an individual
having charge of most of the defense production.
OSC:d jb
7-31-41
Typed :mcb
43
Treasury Department
Division of Monetary Research
Date
To:
19
Memorandum for the Files:
.From:
On August 11, 1941, Secretary
Morgenthau gave his approval of this
letter.
H. D. White
44
OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
DIVISION OF DEFENSE AID REPORTS
WASHINGTON, D. C.
August 1, 1941
Dear Mr. Purvis:
Section 4 of the Lend-Lease Act requires the consent of
the President to any retransfers of lend-lease articles by His
Majesty's Government. Distribution through commercial channels
in the United Kingdom and in other parts of the Empire of neces-
sity involves a retransfer and Presidential consent.
In the administration of the Lend-Lease Act the President
will expect that, insofar as practicable, lend-lease articles will
be distributed through Government agencies and, in the case of
.foods, on the free list. Where such distribution is not
practicable, the President will, before granting his consent to
commercial distribution, require assurances that:
(a) The articles to be distributed commercially, and
those into which they are incorporated, are essen-
tial to the British war effort.
(b) The commercial channels of distribution to be used
are the most effective and economical means of
assuring the efficient use of the articles or their
prompt delivery to the places where they are needed,
and
45
-2(c) No profiteering by commercial distributors of the
articles will be permitted.
Since the nature of distribution and ultimate destination
of the various articles to be commercially distributed either in
their original or in an advanced form naturally varies widely
with a particular article, it is impossible for any blanket consent
to retransfer to be given and each case must be determined on its
own facts. The following, however, are suggested as items of information which would assist the President in determining whether
the basic oriteria set forth above have been met.
(1) Destination of articles - in original and advanced
forms, e.g. United Kingdom, Dominions, colonies, etc.
(2) Intended use of articles and those into which they
are to be incorporated, e.g., military, civilian, etc.
(3) Method of distribution to be adopted, showing the
channels through which the materials pass to the user.
(4) Availability of Government distribution agencies.
(5) The status of the distributors, i.e., whether they
are acting as agents of the distributing Government
or as principals purchasing to re-sell to consumers.
(6) The extent to which Government supervision is exer-
cised over distributors to insure that the prices and
fees charged by them will be limited to a minimum
reasonable remuneration for services actually performed.
46
-3 (7) Details of distribution, e. g. , will the recipient
Government sell the articles to a manufacturer, or
will it deliver them to him gratis for incorporation
in a completed article.
More detailed information will be expected in case of distributions in the Dominions and other parts of the Empire than in
the United Kingdom in view of the strict controls known to be in
force in the United Kingdom.
The foregoing are suggestions only and are not intended to
be all-inclusive, as the necessity for further and different information will undoubtedly become apparent in particular cases. I am
confident that most cases will fall into more or less standardized
patterns, so that a method of presenting the necessary information
can be worked out which will avoid useless repetition and complication
of requisitions.
Very truly yours,
H. H. BURNS
Major General, U. S. Army,
Executive Officer
Hon. Arthur B. Purvis,
Chairman, British Supply Council
in North America,
Willard Hotel,
Washington, D. C.
dhm - Copy -Drl
47
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
PROCUREMENT DIVISION
WASHINGTON
OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR
August 1, 1941
MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:
Weekly Report - Lease-Lend Purchases
(7/25/41 - 8/1/41)
Estimated Cost
Requisitions
194, 826, 286.27
$
Cleared by O.P.M
20, 1,993,665.00
Awaiting clearance by O.P.M.
$ 215,819,951.27
Less Requisitions for metals, where contracts
will be made for term periods and allocations
required from O.P.M.
Total Pending Requisitions for Spot Purchases
$ 98,930,860.72
$ 116,889,090.55
Purchases to 7/25/41
Purchases 7/25 to 8/1/41
$ 74, 290, 927.20
13,496,721.05
Total to 8/1/41
$ 87,787,648.25
.
Total Pending Requisitions
Following inquiries concerning availability and method of purchasing we have issued tenders for quotation on 24,000,000 ft. B.M. of
ft. B.M.
Aero
are
Spruce and 20,000,000
Fir,of
both
grade.
Wenow
making a similar study of substantial Ball Bearing requirements
approximating $4,000,000 with a possible $4,000,000 of additional
purchases, and when sufficient information is obtained negotiations
with the industry will then be effected.
In
Attachments-4
Director of Procurement
years clifton E. Mack
AUGUST 1, 1941
MEM ANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:
CONTRACT
NUMBER
REQUISICONTRACTOR'S NAME
DA-TPS-525 Willard Storage Battery Co.
DA-TPS-524
TIONER
360
Batteries
624
5,202.24
Batteries
2,220
7,836.60
The Firestone Tire & Rubber Co.
"
Bowers Battery Mfg. Co. Inc.
Armstrong Cork Co.
U. S. Gypsum Co.
Gane & Ingram
DA-TPS-374
Air Reduction Sales Co.
#
If
DA-TPS-371 Taylor-Wharton Iron & Steel Co.
The Dow Chemical Co.
DA-TPS-586
The Inland Alkaloid Co.
2,200 C cu.ft.
Cylinders
2,000
Hyoscine Hydrobromide 22 OZ.
"
Plasmochin Tablets
"
DA-TPS-444
Winthrop Chemical Co. Inc.
Atabrine Tablets
Atabrine Ampules
If
Botwinik Bros. Inc.
Douglas Airplanes
Radio Equipment & Spare Parts
"
DA-TPS-660 Transcontinental & Western Air, Inc.
for Airplanes
"
DA-TPS-656 Louis E. Emerman & Co.
Machines, Hobbing
26,900.00
13,200.00
2,200.00
426,400.00
6,170.00
Spare Engines and parts for
Eastern Air Lines, Inc.
2,200.00
120,543.00
Lathe, Turret
"
"
DA-TPS-669
6,000 M
14,000 M
24,000 bxs
Tractors and Winches
DA-TPS-599 International Harvester Export Co.
DA-TPS-635
700.00
Oxygen
Parahydroxydiphenyl 60,000 lbs
"
DA-TPS-390
26,737.07
Hyoscine Hydrobromide 10 OZ.
"
DA-TPS-475
22,275.00
Fiber Board
If
DA-TPS-691
$
750,000 Sq.Ft.
Fiber Board
If
DA-TPS-692
1,908.00
U.K. Batteries
"
DA-TPS-526
TOTAL VALUE
QUANTITY
COMMODITY
10
19,289.14
48
29,326.17
34,000.00
MEM
ANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:
-2-
AUGUST 1, 1341
REQUISI-
CONTRACT
NUMBER
CONTRACTOR'S NAME
TIONER
DA-TPS-659
Louis E. Emerman & Co.
U. K.
DA-TPS-623
S. W. Card Mfg. Co.
DA-TPS-622
Greenfield Tap & Die Corp.
DA-TPS-665
Nesbitt Machinery C 0.
11
If
DA-TPS-657 Mc Cabe & Sheeran Mchy. Corp.
DA-TPS-575
Ideal Commutator Dresser Co.
2
31,850.00
$
360
541.44
1,008
1,748.16
Mill Boring
26,500.00
Planer, Niles
40,000.00
Pipe, Culvert
If
The Armco International Corp.
Mills, Boring Vert.
Taps, Hand
"
TOTAL VALUE
QUANTITY
Tap, Hand
"
DA-TPS-620
COMMODITY
2,100 ft.
3,360.00
-
DA-TPS-65T
Landers, Frary & Clark
Etching Outfits
"
Cable
General Cable Corp.
Oliver Farm Equip. Co.
DA-TPS-388
Lancaster Iron Wks. Inc.
Bitumen Paddle Mixers
If
DA-TPS-637
Pioneer Engineering Works, Inc.
Crusher Rock
DA-TPS-639
Ingersoll-Rand Co.
Air Compressors
If
"
DA-TPS- 80
2,722.86
125
26,168.62
60
153,129.60
6,920.02
86,400.00
12
4
9
-
"
(Adj.Ded.)
Oliver Farm Equip. Co.
DA-IP--498
Lever Brothers Co.
Glycerine 2,688,000 lbs.
11
Glycerine 156,800 lbs.
"
DA-TPS-499
258.3 M. ft.
Potato Diggers
#
DA-TPS-617
36,127.50
Jugs and Vacuum Bottles
If
11
DA-TPS-600
115.00
2
The Celine Stearic Acid Co.
"
DA-TPS-594 American Cyanamid & Chemical Corp.
Trisodium Phosphate 672 cwt
31.88
376,320.00
23,394.56
1,780.80
AUGUST 1, 1941
MEY RANDOM TO THE SECRETARY:
REQUISI-
CONTRACT
NUMBER
DA-TPS-690
CONTRACTOR'S NAME
COMMODITY
TIONER
Johns-Manville Sales Corp.
Fibre Board 1,500,000 Sq.Ft.
U.K.
-
(General Cable Corp.
"
DA-TPS-633
Spencer Lens Co.
"
DA-TPS-634
16,054.20
228.00
Cable
"
DA-TPS-603
Bausch & Lomb Optical Co.
Microscopes, etc.
50
8,190.00
Microscopes, etc.
50
8,190.00
Board Kraft
"
International Paper Co.
DA-TPS-668
Schoder & Lombard Stamp & Die Co.
Stamps, Inspection Steel
DA-TPS-667
Millers Falls Co.
Drills and Vises
"
"
Screens
If
Max Levy & Co.
DA-TPS-462
Ford Motor Co.
DA-TPS-355
Simmons Machine Tool Corp.
DA-TPS-589
Marshall Field & Co.
Tractors
"
Cessna Airplane
If
DA-TPS-569
Steel Improvement & Forge Co.
China
Blankets
420,000.00
8,000 S.T.
DA-TP>-323
DA-TPS-697
44,550.00
$
Cable
II
DA-TPS-603 (General Cable Corp.
TOTAL VALUE
QUANTITY
1,320.89
1091
11,122.00
1,770.00
6
648,573.42
900
31,000.00
1
597,500.00
525,000
-
U.K.
40.00
(Adj.Ded.)
Drop Forging
If
DA-TPS-502 Steel Improvement & Forge Co.
DA-TPS-723
Laclede Steel Co.
"
Reinforcement Bars
Pipe Metal
98 G.T.
139,345.00
3,918 G.T.
80 mi.
340,724.42
50
--
MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY:
REQUISI-
CONTRACT
NUMBER
DA-TPS-316-1
AUGUST 1, 1941
CONTRACTOR'S NAME
Wickwire Spencer Steel Co.
DA-TPS-273
(Adj.Add.)
Copperweld Steel Co.
DA-TPS-716
C. Tennant Sons & Co.
DA-TPS-313-1
(Adj. Ded.)
Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co.
DA-TPS-329-1
Armco International Corp.
COMMODITY
TIONER
U.K.
Wire Rod
TOTAL VALUE
QUANTITY
1,500 GT. $
40,159.90
China
Lead
"
6,000 N.T.
DA-TPS-963
531,216.00
If
General Motors Corp.
"
DA-TPS-307-1
U. S. Steel Export Co.
DA-TPS-328-1
Jones & Laughlin Steel Corp.
Tools & Dies
12,500 D.Fgs.
Carbon Steel
214,040 G.T.
4,230.00
8,531,317.42
2,255.00
"
(Adj. Add.)
519,000.00
- 36,000.00
U.K.
11
(Adj. Add.)
73,965.00
2
DA-TPS-587
115.90
(Adj.Add.) Willys-Overland Motors, Inc.
Purchases 7/25 to 8/1/41
$
13,496,721.05
51
52
August 1, 1941
10:27 a.m.
Edward
Kelly:
Hello, Mr. Morgenthau.
HMJr:
Talking.
K:
This is Congressman Kelly of Chicago.
HMJr:
How do you do, Congressman.
K:
HMJr:
K:
Thank you, sir. I just want to give you a
little information.
Go ahead.
I presume you've received a letter from
this fellow Frank C. Ratsche, President
of the Chicago City Bank and Trust Company
here a couple of weeks back.
HMJr:
K:
HMJr:
K:
Well, I may have, but
Well, it's regarding the purposes that employers
be urged to distribute bonus payments to employees
in the form of defense bonds up to ten per cent
of annual salaries.
Yes.
Now, I don't know whether you know Ratsche
or not.
HMJr:
No, I don't.
K:
Well, I know him personally.
HMJr:
Yes.
K:
And he's no good.
HMJr:
Oh, really?
K:
And I notice also in the issue of "Click" in
the month of July where he has a statement
there where he was interrogated by this fellow
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HMJr:
Yeah.
where he states in there that he wants
K:
to see the Nazi government predominate over
Europe.
HMJr:
Oh, really?
K:
Yeah. So I've got all that information
HMJr:
Yeah.
with his picture and everything else.
K:
HMJr:
Yeah.
K:
And I've known this fellow for thirty-five
years.
HMJr:
K:
Yeah.
And he's absolutely a no-good scoundrel, and
yesterday I answered the Secretary of the
Bankers' Association for the State of Illinois
with the same kind of a statement I'm giving
to you now.
HMJr:
I see. Well, I appreciate your giving me the
information, and we'll look into it.
K:
Yeah. Thank you 80 much, Mr. Morgenthau.
HMJr:
Good-bye.
K:
Good-bye, sir.
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August 1, 1941
10:30 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
There you are.
HMJr:
Hello.
Grace
Tully:
Mr. Secretary.
HMJr:
Grace Efficient Tully!
T:
Ahem! The President has spoken to Sam
HMJr:
Rayburn, 80 I guess it's taken care of.
So you think it'11 begin to leak?
T:
I imagine so.
HMJr:
Huh?
T:
I rather imagine that he will inadvertently
speak to somebody about it. (Laughs)
HMJr:
T:
I didn't quite get - when you told Doughton
that Rayburn and others had copies, was that
correct or were you just kidding?
No, no. We sent the complete file. We sent
a copy of the letter to Doughton and a copy
of your letter
HMJr:
Yeah.
and the enclosure, to Jere Cooper, to
T:
the Speaker, and to Senator George.
HMJr:
I see.
T:
All three. And then I said to him - as a little "And I think several other people, but I don't
remember."
HMJr:
Yeah.
T:
You see? So that he'd think it was outside
there, you see?
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-2HMJr:
T:
HMJr:
T:
Yeah.
The whole point was to fool him a little. (Laughe)
Well, then I - he hasn't called me and I'm very
busy, so I think I'11 just keep off this.
Yes. And I think Sam Rayburn will handle it
with him in some way. I don't know how. But
I imagine that he will, and - or in some way
he'11 get it out without Doughton because
Doughton knows he has a copy.
HMJr:
Right. Okay.
T:
I suppose something will be done about it.
HMJr:
Thank you.
T:
All right, sir.
HMJr:
Good-bye.
T:
Good-bye.
I hope so, after all this.
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August 1, 1941
10:37 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Mr. Walsh's secretary.
HMJr:
Hello. Hello.
Senator
Walsh's
Secretary:
Mr. Morgenthau, I just talked with the
HMJr:
About eleven-thirty.
S:
Yes, sir. Is that all right?
HMJr:
Yes. Can I count on that?
S:
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
HMJr:
At eleven-thirty.
S:
Yes, sir.
HMJr:
Senator. He'll be at your office at
eleven-thirty, sir.
Yes. I'll readjust my appointments. I'll
make it all right.
S:
All right, sir.
HMJr:
Thank you.
S:
Good.
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August 1, 1941
Files
Mr. Cochres
Mr. Knoke telephoned me from New York at 11 o'clock this morning. No told
no that Mr. Williams, the General Manager of the National Beak of Haits, was easing
is to see his es Monday ment at 10 e'slook. Mr. Knoke asked whether the treasury
would approve the sale of gold to the Central Bank of Mails if the request for
each treasaction should be made. I told his that the Treasury Department would
approve such a sale. I added that I had had se word from the State Department is
ml
regard to the prospective purchase of gold by Haiti since the date ea which I had
given to that Department the exbstance of Mr. Knoke's memoranies to - on this
subject.
HMC:da:8/1/41
58
Imgast 1, 194
Files
Mr. Cochres
AS 11 e'eleck this morning Mr. Jense telephoned me from the For Basters
Division of the Department of State. No asked whether Mr. Fee had as estra engy
of all of the commonte involved is and partiment to our Stabilization Agreement
with China which could be made available to Cause is Choughing. After
ar
cheeking with Mr. Bernetein as was arranged that his office should provide no
with a complete set of such documents which I was to ask Mr. Jense to have trease
mitted through the State Department pouch to Sease.
59
August 1. 1942
Under Secretary Bell
Mr. Cochres
Mr. Incour-Bayet, Assing Financial Commector to the French Subscry. telephoned
as from New York this morning. No saked - to soliets your personal opinion as to
how the treasury Department would feel toward the Deak of Presse investing is
Treasury Dills up to $200,000,000 of dollar funds which the Beak of France now has
on deposit with the Federal Receive Beak. Is - to - question, lesser-Sayet
said that no sale of gold to acquire dollars with which to purchase treasury bills
was contemplated.
HMC:dm:8/1/41
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE August 1, 1941
TO
Secretary Morgenthau
FROM
Mr. Kamarck
Subject: Summary of Conference with the Russian Ambassador and
Russian Military Mission, August 1, 1941
(Present: Secretary Morgenthau, Ambassador Oumansky,
Lieutenant-General Golikoff, Deputy Chief of the
Russian General Staff, Engineer-General Respin,
A. M. Kamarck)
1. The Secretary accepted, with thanks, the offer of the
Krassin from the Soviet Government. The 10,000 ton icebreaker,
now in Bering Straits, is offered to the U. S. Government for
eight months. She needs some repairs which may take as long
as one to two months but she will proceed to the United States
under her own steam. (Mr. Gaston has been informed of your
acceptance, as you requested.)
2. The Russian Military Mission is dissatisfied with the
reception it has received in Washington. The war 18 moving
very quickly, while plans for concrete aid are moving very
slowly. The President has been very cordial but elsewhere
nothing gets done. For example, three days ago Welles was
given an expanded list of Russian requirements and he said
that the President would get it within an hour. The Mission
saw the President yesterday and he had apparently never seen
the list. The President gave a concrete promise for the
delivery of a number of fighters to the Russians. But within
an hour, doubts began to be created by the Army as to the
availability of the planes. Similarly, in Moscow, Hopkins
has been given a list of definite Russian needs but he is not
giving any concrete answers.
The Russians want fighters and modern bombers, particularly
B-24's and B-26's, but all modern bombers will help. They were
told that no P-40's are available but the British have 150If
P-40's in England, still in orates, and 50 P-40's here.
the Russians secured the P-40's which are in England, they
would be able to get them to Russia without too great difficulty.
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Division of Monetary
Research
General Golikoff stated that while the situation at the
front is very tense, the Russian Army is fighting very well and
morale is high. Reserves of manpower are inexhaustible but the
material now being expended must be replaced. For this purpose,
all the assistance possible is necessary.
3. The Secretary stated that the Russian Mission has ample
cause for dissatisfaction. He advised them to concentrate first
on getting the P-40's from the British. One possible basis
for such a transfer might be the replacement of these fighters
for the British out of American production, on the lines of the
transfer of 100 British-owned P-40's to the Chinese.
The Secretary explained that control over airplane deliveries
is no longer in his jurisdiction, but the organization doing this
work 18 the former Treasury unit. On learning that the Russians
had not yet been put into contact with Oscar Cox, the Secretary
immediately had Cox arrange to see the Mission, together with
General Burns, Admiral Reeves and Colonel Famonville, at 2:30
this afternoon. The Mission is to report the results of this
interview to the Secretary on Monday.
The Secretary advised the Russians that Cox is very good
and the dynamo of the organization. The others are good, too,
particularly when a little pressure 18 applied. As one example
of progress made, the Secretary said that he was just informed
that the President had signed the order granting the first aid
to the Free French.
4. The Secretary informed the Russians in strictest
confidence that the main source of information on the war the
Army had was the German Military Attache. As a result, the
President receives a distorted picture giving only pessimistic
details. The Germans have been doing a good job in presenting
the German version of the news around Washington. One of the
major tasks of General Golikoff, which the Secretary was sure
he would fulfill very well, was to correct this situation.
General Golikoff should keep the Army and Navy informed of
developments at the front. In this way, the President will
then receive a more balanced picture of the war. General
Golikoff said that he will arrange to do 80 and will send the
Secretary copies of all the information he gives the Army and
Navy.
5. The Ambassador and the Generals thanked the Secretary
for his assistance and stated that they would be most grateful
if he would continue to give them help and advice.
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Research
General Golikoff stated that while the situation at the
front 18 very tense, the Russian Army 18 fighting very well and
morale 18 high. Reserves of manpower are inexhaustible but the
material now being expended must be replaced. For this purpose,
all the assistance possible 18 necessary.
3. The Secretary stated that the Russian Mission has ample
cause for dissatisfaction. He advised them to concentrate first
on getting the P-40's from the British. One possible basis
for such a transfer might be the replacement of these fighters
for the British out of American production, on the lines of the
transfer of 100 British-owned P-40's to the Chinese.
The Secretary explained that control over airplane deliveries
is no longer in his jurisdiction, but the organization doing this
work 18 the former Treasury unit. On learning that the Russians
had not yet been put into contact with Oscar Cox, the Secretary
immediately had Cox arrange to see the Mission, together with
General Burns, Admiral Reeves and Colonel Famonville, at 2:30
this afternoon. The Mission is to report the results of this
interview to the Secretary on Monday.
The Secretary advised the Russians that Cox 18 very good
and the dynamo of the organization. The others are good, too,
particularly when a little pressure 18 applied. As one example
of progress made, the Secretary said that he was just informed
that the President had signed the order granting the first aid
to the Free French.
4. The Secretary informed the Russians in strictest
confidence that the main source of information on the war the
Army had was the German Military Attache. As a result, the
President receives a distorted picture giving only pessimistic
details. The Germans have been doing a good job in presenting
the German version of the news around Washington. One of the
major tasks of General Golikoff, which the Secretary was sure
he would fulfill very well, was to correct this situation.
General Golikoff should keep the Army and Navy informed of
developments at the front. In this way, the President will
then receive a more balanced picture of the war. General
Golikoff said that he will arrange to do 80 and will send the
Secretary copies of all the information he gives the Army and
Navy.
5. The Ambassador and the Generals thanked the Secretary
for his assistance and stated that they would be most grateful
if he would continue to give them help and advice.
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August 1, 1941
11:27 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Oscar Cox.
HMJr:
Oscar
Oscar
Cox:
Yes, Mr. Secretary.
HMJr:
Oscar
C:
Yes.
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
The Russian Ambassador is here with these
two gentlemen, and to my amazement they
haven't seen you.
No, they haven't.
Well, how can they get along in Washington
without seeing you?
Well, I think they can get along.
No they can't. They're absolutely - they're
absolutely bogged down.
C:
Yeah.
HMJr:
Now, it's a damned shame.
C:
Yeah.
HMJr:
Now, Oscar, the Ambassador wants to bring
these two gentlemen around this afternoon
to see you. What's a good time?
C:
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
Any time that suits them.
Two-thirty?
Two-thirty will be fine.
(Talks aside) Is that good?
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What do you call that
C:
Second Room.
floor of
Richmond
the Federal Reserve Building, the
HMJr:
The Richmond Room?
C:
Yes.
HMJr:
It always sounds to me like a place that's
slightly disreputable.
C:
Yes. A place of ill-fame.
HMJr:
What?
C:
It's a place of ill-fame.
HMJr:
The place of ill-fame.
C:
Yeah.
HMJr:
C:
All right.
I sent you the copy of the letter on the
Free French. The President signed it.
HMJr:
What's that?
C:
The President signed the directive on the
Free French.
HMJr:
He did?
C:
Yes.
HMJr:
Oh, wonderful!
C:
And I sent you a copy this morning. You
ought to
HMJr:
C:
Does Pleven know that?
Yes. I think - well, I don't know that he
knows it definitely. You ought to tell him,
because you are largely responsible for it.
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-3HMJr:
Well, what does he get?
C:
Well, he's starting off getting a lot of
equipment - degaussing cables and what not
for ships.
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
oh, grand!
And we got the trucks in the works now.
Well now, see if we can't do as much for
the Russians.
Well, we'll do our darndest.
Well, that's wonderful.
C:
Right.
HMJr:
Grand. Now, we'll have to do as much for
them.
C:
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
That's another feather for you.
What?
I say, that's another feather for you.
Well now, in order to make life easy for
them, have General Burns and Admiral What's-
his-name
C:
Reeves?
Reeves there
HMJr:
C:
Yes.
and Major Thing-a-ma-bob
HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
Yeah.
have them all there 80 it'11 make it
easy for these people.
C:
All right, I will.
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-HMJr:
C:
HMJr:
Send for them all and have them all there.
Fine.
See?
C:
Right.
HMJr:
Do that.
C:
I certainly will.
HMJr:
Thank you.
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August 1, 1941
11:40 a.m.
Operator:
Go ahead.
HMJr:
Hello.
Rene
Pleven:
Hello. My respects, Mr. Secretary.
HMJr:
How are you?
P:
HMJr:
Very well, thank you. Have you had a
little vacation?
Good. Yes. I had to come back a little
early.
P:
HMJr:
P:
HMJr:
I see.
Mr. Pleven, I have good news for you.
Oh-ho.
The President signed that requisition for
you.
P:
HMJr:
P:
HMJr:
Well, Mr. Secretary, I can see your hand
in behind all this, you know. (Laughs)
But I just heard it from Mr. Cox. He called
me up so that I could let you know.
Yes. I thank you very much.
The first request that you made has been
signed.
P:
Yes.
HMJr:
And Mr. Cox was most helpful.
P:
HMJr:
on yes. You see, he has been absolutely
priceless to me.
So
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-2P:
Has he told you that we were going to try
HMJr:
No.
P:
You see, this first recuisition is one which
HMJr:
A what?
P:
A re-transfer.
HMJr:
Yes.
P:
From the British to us.
HMJr:
Yes.
P:
And I am, on the advice of Mr. Cox, you see,
to move still closer to the line?
involves a re-transfer, you see?
we are considering the advisability of putting
now another recuisition, which this time could
be directly to us, without any re-transfer.
HMJr:
Good.
P:
And we are just measuring carefully our
steps, you see, to be sure not to go too
far.
HMJr:
P:
Yes.
But I have found him and his assistants, you
see, exceedingly helpful.
HMJr:
Yes.
P:
And I really want to tell you how grateful
I am.
HMJr:
Well, let me know when I can be of more help.
P:
Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary.
HMJr:
Good.
P:
And I hope you can still take a little reet.
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-3HMJr:
Well, I hope about the fifteenth of August;
but I'11 be here for two weeks.
P:
You are here for two weeks?
HMJr:
Yes.
P:
Oh, I see.
HMJr:
Yes.
P:
Thank you - thank you very much.
HMJr:
Good-bye.
P:
Good-bye, Mr. Secretary.
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August 1, 1941
12:02 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Go ahead.
HMJr:
Hello.
Lord
Halifax:
Hello.
HMJr:
Hello, Mr. Ambassador.
H:
Oh, good morning, Mr. Secretary. How are
you?
HMJr:
H:
HMJr:
Fine.
Mr. Secretary, I rang you up to know whether
there is any chance of getting you to come
and dine cuietly tomorrow night.
Well, I'm - that's Saturday.
H:
Saturday.
HMJr:
I'm sorry, I'm going home this evening.
H:
Oh, I thought you perhaps might be.
HMJr:
No, I'll be back Monday.
H:
I see. Well, then I must try and catch you
next week.
HMJr:
I'd love it.
H:
May I call you again?
HMJr:
Please do.
H:
Righto, I will. How - you'll be back on
Monday?
HMJr:
H:
I'll be back Monday.
Right. Right. Good-bye, and I'll call you
again.
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-2HMJr:
Thank you.
H:
Good-bye.
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August 1, 1941
12:15 a.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Congressman Doughton.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Go ahead.
HMJr:
Hello, Bob?
Robert
Doughton:
All right, Henry.
HMJr:
My apologies to you.
D:
Well, that's all right.
HMJr:
But
D:
I know how those things sometimes occur.
HMJr:
Well, if I could have been of any damn bit
of use to you, I'd have been on your doorstep
at seven this morning; but not being able to
be of any constructive help, I took care of
a couple of minor emergencies around here.
D:
HMJr:
I understand that. That's all right.
But I just want to explain to you - if I
could have walked up and said, "Well, now,
Bob, I think I could be helpful," I'd have
been there at seven o'clock. But I'm just
stalled, and I don't know what to say.
D:
Well, what I wanted - you know you suggested
you'd come down - I - that suited me exactly -
I thought that I'd like to get a little clarification if I could about several matters in
connection
HMJr:
Well
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and I'm at a loss to know what I'd do
D:
HMJr:
D:
Well
because you see we've got this bill in
under a special closed rule, we've closed
debate today, we expect to vote Monday, and
there's a lot of things in here that looks
HMJr:
D:
like that you want us to take up and reconsider
by our committee - I'm just flabbergasted.
Well now, Bob, I've always tried to be honest
with you.
What?
HMJr:
I say I've always tried to be honest.
D:
You always have been, as far as I know.
HMJr:
D:
HMJr:
Now, my hands are tied. I can't give you
any advice that would be of any help to you.
And as I said the other day, I'm just a
hired man. I'm not elected by the people;
and if I could be of the slightest bit of
help to you, I'd have been up there at
Well, what I was - thought that it might be
helpful - there's nothing in the world that's
as great a cross to me as far as public life's
concerned, as to be in a position where I'm
not in accord with the Administration
Yeah.
and the leaders of my party
D:
HMJr:
D:
Yeah.
and the President, and the Secretary
of the Treasury and many people that I have
to work with and all that kind of thing.
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
And I try my best, without turning over my
conscience and judgment to somebody else,
73
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will do that; and I'll make as great a
surrender of anything that's not a matter
of conviction and principles that any man
can.
HMJr:
Yeah.
But now then I don't know if the Treasury -
D:
if it's going to go out here now at all that the Treasury's going to be quoted as
being against this provision and this bill
requiring mandatory tax returns - joint returns
HMJr:
D:
HMJr:
D:
Yeah.
why we want to know that if we're going
to have to fight them - whether or not they
take un a neutral position now, they say they
don't favor it - well, Sullivan just never
would take a position until the last hours,
then he took a conditional position
Yeah.
and when we didn't adopt that he didn't
say then whether he was for it or against it.
If he's going to be against it, if we didn't
adopt that, he should have told us - not wait
until this last minute.
HMJr:
Yeah. Well, don't blame Sullivan.
D:
Well
HMJr:
We.....
D:
What I want - do you know now? I understand
that copies of the letter were sent to the
Speaker and to Jere Cooper
HMJr:
Yeah.
and to Senator George.
D:
HMJr:
Yeah.
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4
D:
-
Now, do you know whether it's intended for
the influence and weight of the Administration
to be thrown in the balances against that
section of the bill, or is it going to be
left like it was first, neutral, to let us
fight it out - we got no position at all.
He wouldn't take a position - he wouldn't
take any position at all until finally in
HMJr:
D:
HMJr:
the last hour he did take a conditional position.
Yeah. That's - well, he was doing what I asked
him to do.
Well
So I mean he only did what I asked him to do.
Now
D:
Now if it's going to be understood at this
last minute that the weight of the Administration
at Treasury 19 going to be thrown in the balance
side against us, why I want to know it. If it's
going to keep hands off and be neutral, well, I
want to know that.
HMJr:
Well, Bob, I can't - as Secretary of the
Treasury sitting at the other end of the
avenue, I never - I'm not doing anything
publicly except what I do before your committee.
D:
HMJr:
D:
Well, of course, now, the Speaker's got that
letter.
Yeah. Well, he didn't get it from me.
I see he didn't. But it was sent down there
to him, the letter to me, you know.
HMJr:
I see. Well, he didn't get it from me.
D:
Evidently intended to - you see, he's opposed
to that provision in the bill.
HMJr:
But you see, what I'm trying to say is that I
wish you wouldn't push me too hard, because
75
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Well, I'm not going to push at all. I'm
just putting our situation before
D:
HMJr:
D:
HMJr:
Well
What I'm at now - I don't know what - it
looks like, it must be, that all I can do
is to call my committee together in the
morning - I can't do it now today
Yeah.
and lay that letter before them.
D:
HMJr:
D:
Well, I don't see what else you can do.
I don't see anything else I can do.
HMJr:
No.
D:
And that just draws the line, right now.
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
HMJr:
In my opinion, confidentally - saying this
to you confidentially
Yeah.
that it raised the issue, and several
D:
of my members - I've shown it to several of
my colleagues this morning
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
It raised it direct
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
HMJr:
a candid issue whether or not the Congress
could legislate or whether it' 8 been a fizzle
at legislating.
Yeah. Well, I can see that.
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D:
HMJr:
D:
You can see that, and I think it's the most
unfortunate issue
Yeah.
that ever could have been raised, because
there's no use of us, not a bit of use of us
on Ways and Means Committee.
HMJr:
D:
Well, I didn't
We've been here for three months, hard work night and day, when other people can take
vacations and rest, and I've no objection glad they can - laboring and trying to raise
revenues of a department which is our constitutional and sworn duty, and then if it's to
be taken out of our hands, we want to know
it and we will know it
HMJr:
Yeah.
must know it.
D:
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
Would you blame us?
HMJr:
No. No.
D:
It's the blamedest situation that I have
ever experienced, and I'm not responsible
for it.
HMJr:
Well, I'm not either. So - any time I've
had anything to say to any member of the
Congress, I've always said it in committee,
before the committee. I've never - I've
always addressed my remarks to the Chairman
publicly.
D:
Do you know whether the Speaker had anything
to do with that letter or not? Have it
written?
HMJr:
Bob, I've been out of town.
77
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(Laughs) That's not lying, but that's not
D:
answering my question. You needn't answer
HMJr:
it unless you want to.
Well, I've been out of town.
Why, of course. But that don't mean that
D:
you don't know of anything that happened in
town, but that's your business. I don't
criticize
HMJr:
Well
D:
Yeah. Yeah.
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
All right, Henry. I'm sorry you won't come
HMJr:
down to study it, but that's all right.
Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. If you don't get the idea I don't want to come up,
but I - if you want to see me. Here's my
schedule. At quarter of one I go over to
sell the President the first bond, you see?
D:
Yeah.
HMJr:
Then we've got Cabinet at two.
D:
Well
NJr:
Now, I don't want you to feel I don't want
to come up.
D:
Well, that's a matter at entirely your discretion.
HMJr:
D:
But, if it'd make you any
I thought it would help if we'd talk over
this letter, but
HMJr:
D:
Well, now, if it would help you any in your
I'm sitting here 80 busy now with the bill,
that I
78
-8HMJr:
D:
If you want me up there around three-thirty
or four, I'll come up there.
Well, if I do, I'll call back; but I don't,
unless you were willing to come or think that
I've got to put it all on me. You suggested
yesterday that you would come, but it's all
right if you
HMJr:
Oh no. If it would be at all helpful, I'll
be up there around three-thirty or four.
Where will you be?
D:
Well, I'11 be on the Floor; but I don't know,
with the view you take about it that it would
be - I'm not calling for help, I'm calling
more for an understanding than I am for help.
HMJr:
D:
Well, now, how can I get hold of you around
three-thirty or four?
Call me at the Democratic cloak room. I'll
be right here.
HMJr:
The Democratic cloak room.
D:
Yeah. Confidentially, Henry, I hate to say
this.
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
I hate to think it.
HMJr:
Yeah.
D:
I'm frankest to my friends than I am to
anybody.
HMJr:
D:
Yeah.
I feel like that under all the circumstances,
we've been hit a terrible blow below the
belt.
HMJr:
Yeah. Well, I'm sorry.
79
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And I don't believe if you were in my place,
HMJr:
you'd think otherwise.
Yeah. Well
D:
That's a confidential statement.
HMJr:
I know. Well, just as soon as I come out of
Cabinet, I'11 give you a ring.
D:
All right, thank you.
HMJr:
All right.
80
August 1, 1941
12:35 a.m.
HMJr:
Rex
Hello.
Tugwell:
Hello.
HMJr:
Hello. Rex?
T:
Hello, Henry.
HMJr:
How are you?
T:
HMJr:
Pretty good. How are you?
What are you by this - you Mr. Chancellor?
T:
Right now, I believe that's correct.
HMJr:
Wonderful.
T:
(Laughs) How are you?
HMJr:
I'm alive.
T:
Well, that's about all I can say, too.
HMJr:
I had a message you called me.
T:
HMJr:
Well, yes. Didn't Herb Gaston - I explained
it to him.
No, he didn't tell me, but he's sitting here
now. You can ask him.
T:
HMJr:
T:
Uh huh.
Did you fix it up with Herbert?
Well, I rather think 80. I was asking him
for somebody to make a study of Puerto Rico's
finances, more or less
HMJr:
Oh.
in relation to Federal finances. I know
that you've always been interested the same
81
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payment.
HMJr:
T:
Oh, very much. The five hundred acre thing.
And I have an idea that they don't do very
well with their tax collections and I have
an idea that we ought to do something in the
way of finding out what the balance of payments
back and forth is
HMJr:
Yes.
and what it needs to be.
T:
HMJr:
T:
Yeah.
And I thought the Treasury might be interested
in that.
HMJr:
Yeah, we are. We'd be glad to help.
T:
Uh huh. All right, Henry, fine. That's what
I had in mind.
HMJr:
T:
HMJr:
All right, Rex.
And if it's proper
Yeah.
and if Herbert says so, I'll write you
T:
about it.
HMJr:
Good.
T:
Through channels.
HMJr:
Wonderful.
T:
All right.
HMJr:
We've always got to have our red tape.
T:
Yeah.
82
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T:
All right.
All right, Henry.
83
August 1, 1941
3:43 p.m.
HMJr:
Hello.
Operator:
Congressman Doughton on the line.
HMJr:
Who?
Operator:
There you are.
HMJr:
Hello.
Robert
Doughton:
All right.
HMJr:
Now, Bob, I'm just out of Cabinet and I'd
like to come up and see you.
D:
I'd be delighted.
HMJr:
Where can I come?
D:
I think you'd better come to the Committee Room
in the Capitol, Henry.
HMJr:
The Committee Room in the Capitol?
D:
Yes. I'll leave here in about ten - twenty
minutes.
HMJr:
Well, I can get up there in ten minutes.
D:
Well, I'll be right in there.
HMJr:
Well, how do I find that?
D:
Well, you just go up to the second story.
HMJr:
Second story.
D:
Take the elevator and come to the second
story, and I'11 be standing there where you
get off.
HMJr:
Second story.
D:
Ten minutes. Yes.
84
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D:
Well
Anybody can point out the committee - the
Ways and Means Committee Room there in the
Capitol. The boys there at the door can,
HMJr:
D:
where they go into the House.
What's that?
I say the boys there at the door where they
HMJr:
Well, I'll find it.
D:
Yeah. Be no trouble to find me. I'll be
looking out for you.
HMJr:
D:
HMJr:
D:
It's the Ways and Means Committee Room on the
second floor.
The Capitol on the second floor. You take
the elevator and go up to the second floor.
I'll be there.
All right.
85
Read to Secretary when he telephoned
at 11:15 a.m. 8/2/41.
DWB noted 8/4/11
86
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
August 1, 1941
Dear Marrinors
I have signed the Executive Order
for the regulation of consumer credit in
accordance with yesterday's discussion with
you and Loon. This is done with the understanding we reached in our conversation that
you would consult with Heary before taking
any action under the Order which night affect
the fiscal activities of the Treasury.
Very sincerely yours,
(Signed) FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
Benerable Marriner 8. Ecoles,
Chairman, Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System,
Washington, D. c.
Copy for the Secretary of the Treasury
sent to President 87
at Cabrat
8/1/41.
88
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT
1. Last Tuesday the Senate passed a bill prehibiting all sales of Government-hold stocks of
cotton (amounting to 7 million bales), the prehibition
to continue until Congress should otherwise provide.
The bill is now in conference. The Conferess have not
net as yet and probably won't until the siddle of next
week.
2. Cotton prices have rises in the spet market
from 9 1/2 cents per pound on August 1, 1939 to 15.79
cents per pound last night. (The parity price of cotton
OR the fare is 16.49 cents per pound.) Had it not been
for the President's statement this week with respect to
price centrol, the price of cotton would probably new be
above parity.
3. If legislation is enasted freezing the Governsent supplies of settes from the market, and if no price
ceiling on cotton is set, we have the basis for spectacular
speculative price boom in cotton. The unfavorable crop
situation and the possibility of restriction on silk imports
favor such a been. (We have the smallest aereage since
1895, and possibility of unusually heavy bell weevil damage
threatens a smaller yield per aereage than was formerly
antisipated.)
4. In view of the danger of price inflation and in
view of the importance which cetton plays in the price
structure, it would seem that the time is inappropriate
to enect legislation of the character passed by the
Senate.
I understand the Secretary of Agriculture has indieated his informal opposition to the bill to Senator
Barkley. I as wondering who ther the time is not opportune
for a more vigerous presentation to Congress of the danger
to the price structure involved in the passage of the bill.
Even if Government cotton is not placed on the market
the more defeat of the bill freezing the cotton will of
itself constitute a desirable force tending to restrain
speculative rises in the price of cotton.
HDW:EMB/jm
8/1/41
89
FOR THE PRESS
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
AUGUST 1, 1941
1892
It was announced today that the President has directed
the Administrator of Export Control to initiate further regulation
in respect to the export of petroleum products in the interest of
the national defense.
The action will have two immediate effects. It will
prohibit the exportation of motor fuels and oils suitable for use
in aircraft and of certain raw stocks from which such products are
derived to destinations other than the Western Homisphere, the
British Empire and the unoccupied territories of other countries
engaged in resisting aggression. It will also limit the exportation
of other petroleum products, except to the destinations referred to
above, to usual or pre-war quantities and provide for the pro rata
issuance of licenses on that basis.
90
easury Department
AUG 1
1941
SCRIPTS
MANET
REGISTER
FEDERAL
1934
VOLUME 6
UNITED
NUMBER 149
Washington, Friday, August 1, 1941
time to time determine, the Board shall
The President
CONTENTS
perform the following functions and
THE PRESIDENT
duties:
EXECUTIVE ORDER
ESTABLISHING THE ECONOMIC DEFENSE
BOARD
By virtue of the authority vested in me
by the Constitution and statutes of the
United States, by virtue of the existence
of an unlimited national emergency and
for the purpose of developing and coordinating policies, plans, and programs
designed to protect and strengthen the
international economic relations of the
United States in the interest of national
a. Advise the President as to economic
defense measures to be taken or functions to be performed which are essential
to the effective defense of the Nation.
b. Coordinate the policies and actions
of the several departments and agencies
carrying on activities relating to economic defense in order to assure unity
and balance in the application of such
measures.
c. Develop integrated economic defense plans and programs for coordinated
action by the departments and agencies
defense. It is hereby ordered as follows:
concerned and use all appropriate means
1. The term "economic defense." whenever used in this Order, means the con-
to assure that such plans and programs
are carried into effect by such depart-
duct. in the interest of national defense,
ments and agencies.
of international economic activities in-
d. Make investigations and advise the
cluding those relating to exports, imports,
President on the relationship of eco-
the acquisition and disposition of mate-
nomic defense (as defined in paragraph
rials and commodities from foreign coun-
1) measures to post-war economic recon-
tries including preclusive buying, trans-
struction and on the steps to be taken
actions in foreign exchange and foreign-
to protect the trade position of the
owned or foreign-controlled property,
United States and to expedite the estab-
international investments and extensions
of credit, shipping and transportation of
goods among countries, the international
aspects of patents, international communications pertaining to commerce, and
other foreign economic matters
2. There is hereby established an Eco-
nomic Defense Board (hereinafter referred to as the "Board"). The Board
shall consist of the Vice President of the
United States, who shall serve as Chairthe
the of
the
man of the the Attorney the Treasury, Secretary General, of State, Secretary Secretary Secretary of War,
the
lishment of sound, peacetime international economic relationships
e. Review proposed or existing legislation relating to or affecting economic de-
fense and, with the approval of the
President, recommend such additional
legislation as may be necessary or
desirable.
4. The administration of the various
activities relating to economic defense
shall remain with the several departments and agencies now charged with
such duties but such administration
shall conform to the policies formulated
or approved by the Board.
of
may
with the the
appoint
Chairman and the Navy. the Secretary Secretary Commerce. approval of Agriculture, of The
Each
than the
Board. President to the other Board additional member Chairman, members of may the
an alternate from
his
designate continuing officials of Department, subject among to the the
approval of the Chairman,
and such alternate may act for such
member
in all matters relating to the
Board
3. In furtherance of such policies
and objectives as the President may from
5. In the study of problems and in the
formulation of programs, it shall be the
policy of the Board to collaborate with
existing departments and agencies which
perform functions and activities pertaining to economic defense and to
utilize their services and facilities to the
maximum Such departments and
agencies shall cooperate with the Board
in clearing proposed policies and measures involving economic defense con-
siderations and shall supply such
information and data as the Board may
Executive Orders:
Page
Economic Defense Board established
3823
Overtime compensation of cer-
tain civilian employees of
War and Navy Departments, the Coast Guard,
and The Panama Canal
3824
Vessels transferred between
Navy and Commerce De-
partments, prior order
amended
3825
Military Order:
Organized military forces of the
Government of the Commonwealth of the Philippines called into service of
the armed forces of the
United States
3825
RULES, REGULATIONS
ORDERS
TITLE 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY:
Immigration and Naturalization Service:
Alien Registration Act, 1940,
replacement of lost, etc.,
registration receipt
cards
3825
TITLE -CIVIL AVIATION:
Civil Aeronautics Authority:
First aid equipment for air
carrier aircraft
3826
TITLE 7-COMMODITY AND SECURITIES EXCHANGES
Securities and Exchange Commission:
Custody of securities maintained by management
3827
company
Listed and unlisted securities,
differentiation on ticker.
3827
TITLE 30-MINERAL RESOURCES:
Bituminous Coal Division:
Minimum price schedules, re-
lief granted, petitions of:
District Board 3 (2 docu3828
ments)
3830
District Board 11
(Continued on next page)
3823
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3824
CONTENTS-Continued
Department of the Interior-Con.
FEDERAL REGISTER
General Land Office:
Alaska, air navigation site
withdrawal
the Administrator of Export Control
the Division of Defense Aid Reports, the
Page
3852
sion:
Published daily. except Sundays, Mondays,
and days following legal holidays by the
Division of the Federal Register The National
Archives, pursuant to the authority con-
tained in the Federal Register Act, approved
July 26. 1935 (49 Stat. 500), under regulations prescribed by the Administrative Committee, approved by the President
The Administrative Committee consists of
the Archivist or Acting Archivist, an officer
of the Department of Justice designated by
the Attorney General, and the Public Printer
or Acting Public Printer.
The daily issue of the FEDERAL REGISTER
will be furnished by mail to subscribers free
of postage. for 81.25 per month or $12.50 per
year: single copies 10 cents each; payable in
advance Remit money order payable to the
Superintendent of Documents directly to the
Government Printing Office, Washington D.C.
3831
Department of the Interior:
Bituminous Coal Division:
Beckley Fire Creek Coal Co.,
code membership rein3850
Belleville Fuels, Inc., provisional approval as a marketing agency
3850
3848
3848
District Board 10. hearing
postponed
3846
Fry. F. B., cease and desist
order
3847
Hearings. etc.:
Abney. K. D
3839
Bonds, A. E
3836
Carterville Coal Co
3841
Consumers Counsel
3846
Daisy City Coal Co
3838
Forest City Coal Co
Foster, Melvin
3842
Kieffner Coal Co
Long & Early
McCannon Bros. Coal Co.
Morris & Campbell
Norman, C.T
Norris Coal Co
Owl Coal Co
Payton. Allen
3844
3845
3839
3343
3842
3837
3840
3836
3843
Sheelor, Ed
3837
Swanton Big Vein Coal Co.
3847
Tedrow. Chester
3845
Warner. W. H. & Co., Inc
3840
Wraley, Harvey W
3844
Registered distributors, applications filed for registration as
Wyatt Coal Sales Co., registration suspended
3854
3853
3853
3854
3853
3855
3855
3850
decisions when necessary to expedite the
as may be allocated to the Board by the
President, to employ necessary personnel and make provision for the necessary
supplies, facilities, and services. The
Chairman may, with the approval of the
President, appoint an executive officer.
FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT
THE WHITE HOUSE
July 30, 1941.
3831
(No. 88391
(F. R. Doc. 41-5597; Filed, July 31, 1941;
11:20 a. m.)
3834
3835
3834
3835
3833
require in performing its functions.
The Board may arrange for the establishment of committees or groups of
advisers, representing two or more departments and agencies as the case may
require, to study and develop economic
defense plans and programs in respect
to particular commodities or services,
geographical areas, types of measures
that might be exercised, and other related matters
6. To facilitate unity of action and the
maximum use of existing services and
facilities, each of the following departments and agencies, in addition to the
departments and agencies represented
on the Board, shall designate a respon-
sible officer or officers, subject to the
approval of the Chairman, to represent
the department or agency in its continuing relationships with the Board:
The Departments of the Post Office. the
Interior, and Labor, the Federal Loan
Agency, the United States Maritime
Commission. the United States Tariff
Commission, the Federal Trade Commission. the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System, the Securities
and Exchange Commission. the National Resources Planning Board, the
Defense Communications Board, the
Office of Production Management, the
Office of Price Administration and
3850
vice and assistance of the Board, for
discharging and performing the respon.
sibilities and duties required to carry
out the functions and authorities set
forth in this Order, and to make final
thorized, within the limits of such funds
3854
Offering of notes, Series
Curtiss-Wright Corp
Douglas Aircraft Co., Inc
General Motors Corp
Northrop Aircraft, Inc
Uniloy Accessories Corp
7. The Chairman is authorized to make
all necessary arrangements, with the ad.
work of the Board. He is further au-
War Department:
Contract summaries:
NOTICES
Delta Mining Co., et al., temporary relief granted
District Board relief denied.
3852
Chicago Stock Exchange, appli-
A-1943
and Civilian Supply
stated
3852
sion:
cations granted
shall
with
the foregoing departments and
agencies.
Fiscal Service:
Page
Office of Price Administration
Cotton linters, civilian allocation program
American Republican, Inc
Barclay Craighead
Boone Biblical College
Hennessy Broadcasting Co
McCauley George W., etc
Seaboard Broadcasting Corp.
Federal Power Commission
Montana-Dakota Utilities Co.,
notice of application
Securities and Exchange Commis-
Consolidated Electric and Gas
Co., application filed
Treasury Department:
CONTENTS-Continued
TITLE 32-NATIONAL DEFENSE:
frequencies
Hearings:
may time
conduct of
for determine. the the Chairman systematic The Chairman from agencies business to provide time
Federal Communications Commis-
Amateur service, withdrawal of
Coordinator
of Information
additional departments
and and such
Civilian Supply, the Office for Coordination of Commercial and Cultural Relations Between the American Republics,
the Permanent Joint Board on Defense,
EXECUTIVE ORDER
PRESCRIBING REGULATIONS GOVERNING
OVERTIME COMPENSATION OF CERTAIN
CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES OF THE WAR Dr.
PARTMENT, THE NAVY DEPARTMENT THE
COAST GUARD, AND THE PANAMA CANAL
By virtue of the authority vested in me
by section 1 of the act of June 3, 1941.
Public Law 100, 77th Congress, I hereby
prescribe the following regulations governing the payment of compensation for
employment in excess of forty hours in
any administrative workweek to perannum field service employees whose
overtime services are essential to and directly connected with the expeditious
prosecution of the overtime work upon
which employees enumerated in section
(a) of the act of June 28. 1940. 54 Stat
676, 678, and section 1 of the act of October 21, 1940, 54 Stat. 1205. are engaged:
SECTION 1. Whenever the Secretary of
War, the Secretary of the Navy. the Sec-
retary of the Treasury. or the Governor
of The Panama Canal, as the case may in
be, shall determine that employment
excess of forty hours a week of any per- of
annum employee in the field services
the War Department, the Navy Departthe Coast Guard, or The Panama
to and
the
ment. nected Canal is with essential expeditious directly prosecution required con-
of overtime work which is being 5 (a)
of employees enumerated in section
of the said act of June 28, 1940, and 1940. sec-
tion 1 of the said act of October 21. is
and for which overtime compensation
being paid, he is authorized to provide in
compensation for such employment
excess of forty hours in any administra-
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3825
EXECUTIVE ORDER
workweek at one and one-half times
tive employee's regular rate of pay.
such SECTION 2. In determining the overtime
compensation which may be paid to any 1
AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER No. 8798
OF JUNE 19, 1941, TRANSFERRING CERTAIN VESSELS BETWEEN THE NAVY DE-
employee under section
pay for one hour
PARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF
shall be one
By virtue of the authority vested in
as one-eighth of emhereof. computed per-annum the The such shall for be
pay for one day. pay
one ployee's three-hundred-and-sixtleth day considered of to the be em-
per-annum salary.
3. The Secretary
of the
Navy,
the
of
Secretary ployee's
SECTION
Secretary of
War, the
the Treasury, and the Governor of The
Panama Canal may designate such subordinate officers as they may deem neces-
sary to determine the per-annum employees in their respective field services
whose overtime services are essential to
and directly connected with the expeditious prosecution of the overtime work
me by the Constitution and the statutes
of the United States, Executive Order
No. 8798 of June 19, 1941, transferring
certain vessels between the Navy Department and the Department of Commerce,
is hereby amended, effective as of June
19, 1941, by substituting the United States
Navy Vessel ARGUS for the United States
Navy Vessel JAMESTOWN transferred
by the said Executive order to the Department of Commerce.
FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT
THE WHITE HOUSE
July 30, 1941.
section 5 (a) of the said act of June 28,
1940. and section 1 of the said act of
October 21. 1940, are engaged.
SECTION 4. No overtime compensation
(No. 8838]
(F. R. Doc. 41-5551; Filed, July 31, 1941;
9:59 a. m.]
may be paid under section 1 hereof to
any per-annum employee who during his
regular hours of employment is not norengaged on work essential to and
connected with
of the work upon em-
ployees enumerated in of
directly prosecution mally section the expeditious which 5 (a)
the said act of June 28, 1940. and section 1
of the said act of October 21, 1940, are
engaged.
SECTION 5. No employee covered by the
provisions of section 1 hereof shall be
regularly required or allowed to work in
excess of forty-eight hours in any admin-
istrative workweek: Provided, That such
limit may be exceeded when it is considered by the Secretary of War, the Secre-
tary of the Navy, the Secretary of the
Treasury, or the Governor of The Panama
Canal, or such subordinate officers as they
may designate, to be necessary for the
maintenance of the production schedule
for an arsenal, shipyard, shop, or other
establishment of a similar nature, or to
meet other specific emergency situations.
SECTION 6. When in the judgment of
the head of the department concerned,
the Governor of The Panama Canal, or
the subordinate officers mentioned in section 3 of these regulations, the health or
efficiency of any employee will be im-
paired by employment for more than
eight hours a day or forty hours a week,
such employee shall not be required or
permitted to work overtime.
SECTION 7. It shall be the policy of the
agencies affected
to the
the
overtime consistent work with by requirements this absolute order minimum to of hold the
national-defense program.
SECTION 8. This order shall take effect
as of June 3. 1941, and shall be published
in the FEDERAL REGISTER.
FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT
THE WHITE HOUSE,
MILITARY ORDER
ORGANIZED MILITARY FORCES OF THE GovERNMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF THE
PHILIPPINES CALLED INTO SERVICE OF THE
ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES
Under and by virtue of the authority
vested in me by the Constitution of the
United States, by section 2 (a) (12) of
the Philippine Independence Act of
March 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 457), and by
the corresponding provision of the Ordinance appended to the Constitution of
the Commonwealth of the Philippines,
and as Commander-in-Chief of the Army
and Navy of the United States, I hereby
call and order into the service of the
armed forces of the United States for
the period of the existing emergency.
and place under the command of a Gen-
eral Officer, United States Army. to be
designated by the Secretary of War from
time to time, all of the organized military forces of the Government of the
Commonwealth of the Philippines: Provided, that all naval components thereof
shall be placed under the command of
the Commandant of the Sixteenth Naval
District, United States Navy.
This order shall take effect with rela-
tion to all units and personnel of the
organized military forces of the Government of the Commonwealth of the Phil-
ippines, from and after the dates and
hours, respectively, indicated in orders
to be issued from time to time by the
General Officer, United States Army. designated by the Secretary of War.
FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT
THE WHITE HOUSE.
July 26, 1941
July 30, 1941.
[No. 8837]
(F. R Doc. 41-5550; Filed, July 31, 1941;
9:59 m.)
(P. R. Doe. 41-5548; Filed, July 81, 1941;
9:27 a. m.)
P.R. 8049.
TITLE 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER IMMIGRATION AND
COMMERCE
upon which the employees enumerated in
Rules, Regulations, Orders
NATURALIZATION SERVICE
[Fourth Supplement to General Order
No. C-21]
PART 170-REGISTRATION AND FINGERPRINTING OF ALIENS IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE ALIEN REGISTRATION ACT,
1940
REGULATIONS GOVERNING REPLACEMENT OF
LOST, MUTILATED OR DESTROYED ALIEN
REGISTRATION RECEIPT CARDS
JULY 30. 1941.
Pursuant to the authority contained
in sections 32 (c). 34 (a). and 37 (a) of
Title III of the Act of June 28, 1940
(54 Stat. 674, 674, 675: 8 U.S.C. 453 (c),
455 (a), 458 (a)), and to the powers
conferred by 190.1, Title 8, Chapter I,
Code of Federal Regulations (5 F. R.
3503), the following regulations are
hereby promulgated and published as
portions of Part 170 of said Title 8,
Chapter I. Code of Federal Regulations
(5 F.R. 2836, 3173. 3589. 4560, 4813; 6
F.R. 229, 2560)
Section 170.4 (q) is amended to read
as follows:
I 170.4 Method of registration.
(q) A receipt shall not be issued to
any person who has already obtained
one unless he surrenders his former re-
ceipt, except in case of loss, mutilation,
or destruction of the original receipt in
which event it may be replaced in accordance with $ 170.9 of this part. No
person shall use a receipt relating to
any other person (except in behalf of
his minor child or ward). If the alien
dies, permanently departs, or is deported
from the United States, his receipt shall
be returned to the Immigration and
Naturalization Service. If any person
finds a lost receipt of registration, he
shall return it to the Alien Registration
Division, Immigration and Naturalization Service, Washington, D.C.
The following new section is added to
Part 170:
Replacement of lost, muttdestroyed receipt
as hereinafter any
lated, 1 170.9 or of provided, registration.
mutilated, or may
alien been (a) Except whose lost, registration receipt destroyed card card in lieu has
apply for a new receipt
thereof. Such application shall be made
under oath or affirmation. upon a form
prescribed for that purpose, and shall be
filed with the district director of the Im-
migration and Naturalization Service
having jurisdiction over the place of the
applicant's residence.
When the application for a new
card is received by
he shall assign
receipt director, (b) the officer investigation
to any the district of the
within his
vestigating officer shall
Service of the application jurisdiction. conduct such The in- in-
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3826
quiry into the circumstances surrounding the alleged loss, muttlation. or destruction of the original receipt card as to
satisfy himself that such loss, mutilation,
or destruction has occurred. If a receipt
card has been mutilated, it must be surrendered to the investigating officer before a new card will be issued. The investigating officer shall also satisfy himself that the applicant is the individual
to whom the registration record relates,
and shall make any further inquiry justified by the facts in a particular case. If
deemed advisable, written sworn statements concerning any pertinent facts
may be obtained from the applicant and
any other persons whose testimony
should be secured. Upon completion of
the investigation, the investigating officer
shall recommend the granting or dental
of the application for a new receipt card,
and If his recommendation is adverse, he
shall state the reasons therefor in writing. The investigating officer shall obtain the applicant's signature and a print
of his right index finger upon Form
AR-3a and shall type on the face of that
form the name and present address of
the applicant. If for any reason the impression of the right Index finger cannot
be taken, the impression of another
finger should be obtained and the form
suitably endorsed to show which finger
and hand.
(c) The investigating officer shall then
forward the application and any testi-
appropriate division of the Central Office
for consideration of such further action.
(e) If a duplicate receipt card on
Form AR-3a is issued, it shall be sent
direct to the applicant by the Alien Registration Division, and the office where
the application was filed shall be advised
of the final disposition of the case.
(f) Any alien child who was less than
fourteen years of age at the time of his
registration upon the basis of an application made by his parent or legal guard-
ian under 170.1 (c) or 170.1 (d) and
who desires to obtain a new registration
receipt card in lieu of a lost, mutilated,
or destroyed original may, if the alien is
less than fourteen years of age at the
time application is made, obtain a new
card through the procedure specified in
paragraphs (a) to (e) of this section.
In such cases, however, the application
for a new card shall be executed by the
child's parent or guardian, preferably the
same person who made application for
the original registration: the testimony
of the parent or guardian instead of that
of the child shall be obtained and the new
Form AR-3a, if issued, shall be delivered
to the parent or guardian. No fingerprint of the alien child need be obtained
on Form AR-3a, which shall be signed by
the parent or guardian. In any such case
in which no parent or guardian is available, the matter shall be reported to the
Alien Registration Division for special instructions concerning the procedure to be
mony taken from the applicant and other
followed in replacing the original receipt
persons, together with Form AB-3a, to
the district director having jurisdiction.
The district director or an officer designated by him shall review the record and
may. If he deems it advisable, refer the
case to the same or any other officer of
the Service for further investigation. If
no further investigation is considered
necessary. the entire record shall be forwarded to the Alien Registration Division. The reviewing officer shall indicate
whether he concurs with the recommendation of the investigating officer. and if
not, he shall state the reasons for his
card.
non-concurrence
(d) Upon consideration of the application and record in the Central Office, the
Chief of the Alien Registration Division
may. If he is satisfied that the original
receipt has been lost, mutilated, or de-
stroyed, sign the Form AB-3a, place
thereon the proper registration number,
and mark the form to show that it is a
duplicate issued in lieu of an original receipt which has been lost, mutilated, or
destroyed. Both the original date of
registration and the date of issuance of
the duplicate shall be shown on the new
card. If the said officer is not satisfied
that a duplicate should be issued, he shall
deny the application. If the record indicates that any further action is desirable
or necessary in connection with the case
of the alien, it should be referred to the
(g) Replacements of lost, mutilated,
or destroyed receipt cards in the cases
of alien seamen shall be governed by the
following:
(1) An alien who has been lawfully
admitted to the United States for permanent residence and who is by occupation a seaman may replace a lost, mu-
tilated, or destroyed Form AR-3 in the
manner specified in paragraphs (a) to
(e) of this section.
(2) An alien seaman who was registered under I 170.8 (d) may, if less than
one year has elapsed since the date of
his registration and he is in the United
States at the time of filing his application, replace a lost, mutilated, or destroyed Form AR-103 in the manner
specified in paragraphs (a) to (e) of
this section. In such cases Form AR-3a
will, If issued, be plainly marked to show
both the date of original registration of
the seaman and the date on which the
new receipt card was issued. In accordance with I 170.8 (a), an alien seaman
seeking admission to the United States
who does not present a receipt (or duplicate thereof) showing registration within
one year of the date of his application
for admission shall not be admitted until he has again been registered and fingerprinted. This one-year period shall
extend from the date of original regis-
tration, and in no case from the
in lieu of on
mutilated, which a new receipt one date lost,
or destroyed was issued.
(3) An alien seaman who was finger.
printed only, under the provisions
$ 170.8 (e), shall not be entitled to of
tain a replacement of the Form AR-103
which was issued to him at the time of
such fingerprinting. In such
by 170.8
the
again procedure has be followed prescribed if alien's cases, (e) receipt shall the
card
been lost, mutilated, or destroyed.
(SEAL]
LEMUEL B. SCHOFIELD,
Special Assistant to the Attor.
ney General in Charge Im.
migration and Naturalization Service.
Approved:
FRANCIS BIDDLE
Acting Attorney General
(F. R. Doc. 41-5549; Filed. July 31, 1941
9:35 a. m.]
TITLE 14-CIVIL AVIATION
CHAPTER I-CIVIL AERONAUTICS
AUTHORITY
[Amendment No. 122 of the Civil Air
Regulations
PART 61-SCHEDULED AIR CARRIER RULES
(INTERSTATE)
FIRST AID EQUIPMENT FOR AIR CARRIER
AIRCRAFT
At a session of the Civil Aeronautics
Board held at its office in Washington
D. C., on the 29th day of July, 1941.
Acting pursuant to the authority
vested in it by the Civil Aeronautics Act
of 1938, as amended, particularly sections 205 (a). 601 and 604 of said Act.
and finding that its action is desirable
in the public interest and is necessary
to carry out the provisions of, and to
exercise and perform its powers and
duties under, said Act, the Civil Aeronautics Board amends the Civil Air Reg.
ulations as follows:
Effective October 1, 1941, Part 61 of
the Civil Air Regulations is amended by
the addition of a new I 61.340 to read as
follows:
61.340 First aid equipment. No aircraft shall be operated in scheduled air
transportation unless equipped with &
conveniently accessible first aid kit ade-
quate for proper first aid treatment of
passengers and crew which shall contain
medical equipment and supplies ap
proved by the Administrator as suitable
and sufficient for the type of operation
involved.
By the Civil Aeronautics Board.
(SEAL)
THOMAS G. EARLY.
Secretary.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5547 Filed, July 30, 1941
4:08 p. m.)
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
TITLE 17-COMMODITY AND SECURITIES EXCHANGES
CHAPTER II-SECURITIES AND
EXCHANGE COMMISSION
PART 240-RULES AND REGULATIONS, SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
AMENDMENT TO RULE X-12F-5
Securities and Exchange Comacting pursuant
it by the
conferred mission. The upon Securities to authority sections Exof 1934. particularly
23 (a)
Securities and Exchange Commission
hereby adopts 270.17f-2 (Rule N17F-21 to read as follows:
270.17f-2 Custody of securities
maintained by management company.
The securities and similar investments
of a registered management company
may be maintained in the custody of such
company upon the following conditions:
(a) Except as provided in paragraph
(b). all such securities and similar investments shall be deposited in a vault or
other depository maintained by a bank
or other company whose functions and
action necessary and
12 such change (f) and Act thereof, and and for appropriate the deeming proin the public interest
tection of investors and necessary for the
physical facilities are supervised by Federal or State authority.
execution of the functions vested in it
shall not apply to securities on loan
hereby
of the
by (Rule said X-12F-5] Act, amends the General Act I 240.12f-5 to Rules read
and Regulations under
as hereinafter set forth:
240.12f-5 Differentiation on ticker
(b) The provisions of paragraph (a)
which are collateralized to the extent of
their full market value, or to securities
hypothecated, pledged, or placed in escrow for the account of such registered
company in connection with a loan or
other transaction authorized by specific
resolution of its board of directors, or to
between transactions in listed and unlisted securities. Every national securities exchange and every person directly
securities in transit in connection with
or indirectly controlled by such exchange,
a sale, an exchange pursuant to a plan
in the publication or making available
for publication by ticker of quotations
or transactions in securities made or
otherwise, redemption, maturity or con-
effected upon such exchange, shall differentiate between quotations or transactions in listed securities and quotations
or transactions in securities for which
unlisted trading privileges on such exchange have been continued or extended,
by either adding the letter "L" to the
report of each quotation or transaction
in such listed securities, or by adding
the letter "U" to the report of each
quotation or transaction in such securities for which unlisted trading privileges
have been continued or extended on such
exchange. (Rule X-12F-5]
version, the exercise of warrants or
rights, assents to changes in terms of the
securities, or other transactions necessary in the ordinary routine relating to
the management of securities.
(c) The securities and investments de-
posited pursuant to paragraph (1) shall
be physically segregated at all times from
those of any other person
(d) The securities and investments de-
posited pursuant to paragraph (a) shall
be withdrawn only in connection with
transactions of the character described
in paragraph (b)
(e) No person shall be authorized or
permitted to have access to the securities
Effective July 31, 1941.
By the Commission.
(SEAL]
of reorganization recapitalization or
FRANCIS P. BRASSOR,
Secretary.
(P. R Doc. 41-5600; Filed, July 31, 1941;
11:46 a. m.]
and investments deposited pursuant to
paragraph (a) except pursuant to resolution of the board of directors of such
registered company. Each such resolution shall designate not more than five
persons who shall be either officers or
responsible employees of such company,
and shall provide that access to such
PART 270-INVESTMENT COMPANY ACT OF
1940
ADOPTION OF RULE N-17F-2
Acting pursuant to the Investment
Company Act of 1940, particularly sec-
tions 38 (a) and 17 (f) thereof, and
deeming such action appropriate to the
exercise of the powers conferred and the
duties imposed upon it in that Act, the
securities and investments shall be had
only by two or more such persons jointly,
at least one of whom shall be an officer:
except that for the purpose of paragraph
(g) the independent public accountant
shall be permitted access to such secur-
3827
withdrawing from the depository securities and investments shall sign a notation in respect of such deposit or withdrawal, which shall show (1) the date
and time of the deposit or withdrawal,
(2) the name and amount of the securities and other investments deposited and
withdrawn, and an identification thereof
by certificate numbers or otherwise, and
(3) the manner of acquisition of securities and investments deposited or the
purpose for which securities and investments have been withdrawn. Such notation shall be transmitted promptly to
an officer or director of the registered
company designated by its board of directors who shall not be a person designated for the purpose of paragraph (e)
Such notations shall be on forms serially
numbered, and shall be preserved for at
least one year.
(g) Such securities and investments
shall be verified by complete examination
by an independent public accountant re-
tained by such registered company at
least three times during the fiscal year.
at least two of which shall be chosen by
such accountant without prior notice to
such company. A certificate of such accountant, stating that he has made an
examination of such securities and investments and describing the nature and
extent of the examination, shall be transmitted to the Commission promptly after
each such examination
(h) Such securities and investments
shall at all times be subject to inspection
by the Commission through its authorized
employees or agents accompanied, unless
otherwise directed by order of the Commission. by one or more of the persons
designated pursuant to paragraph (e).
(1) All such securities and investments
which are stocks and other equity securities acquired by such registered management company after August 14. 1941. for
which the issuer or its agent maintains a
record or registry of ownership, shall be
registered or recorded in the name of
such company within 30 days after any
such acquisition: Provided, however,
That this paragraph shall not apply to
securities on loan or securities pledged in
connection with a loan or other transaction authorized by a specific resolution of
its board of directors.
Effective August 15. 1941
By the Commission.
[SEAL]
FRANCIS P. BRASSOR,
ities and investments jointly with any
Secretary.
two persons so designated.
(f) Each person designated pursuant
to paragraph (e), when depositing in or
(F. R. Doc. 41-5601; Filed, July 31, 1941;
11:46 a. m.)
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
MENTS EXCEPT TRUCK: AND IN THE MATTER OF THE PETITION OF DISTRICT BOARD
NO. 3 FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE
CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES
FOR THE COALS OF CERTAIN MINES IN
DISTRICT NO. 3
Original petitions, pursuant to section
4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act of
1937, having been duly filed with this
Division by the above-named parties, requesting the establishment, both tempo-
rary and permanent, of price classifications and minimum prices for the coals
of certain mines in District No. 3: and
It appearing that the above-entitled
matters raise analogous issues: and
It appearing that a reasonable showing of necessity has been made for the
granting of temporary relief in the manner hereinafter set forth: and
No petitions of intervention having
been filed with the Division in the aboveentitled matters; and
It appearing that this action is necessary in order to effectuate the pur-
thus proposed are not those applicable to
rail shipments, to any market area, of
coals which the petition alleges are
analogous to those produced at the Post
Mine, nor are they the minimum prices
that would be applicable if the proposals
of the District Board in Docket No.
A-908 were adopted. The petition states
that the coals produced at the Post Mine
are similar to those produced at the Kano
Mine (Mine Index No. 83) of the Pecks
Run Coal Co.
It appears that the price classifications
and minimum prices, for all shipments
except truck, applicable matters and applications to stay, terminate, or modify
the temporary relief herein granted may
be filed with the Division within forty-
five (45) days from the date of this
Dated: July 11, 1941.
[SEAL]
FOR ALL SHIPMENTS EXCEPT TRUCK
ments are hereinafter set forth and
hereby made a part hereof.
It is further ordered, That pleadings
in opposition to the original petitions in
the above-entitled matters and applica-
Sise group Nos
x2
Code member
Mine name
Seam
DR
thereto Supplement R-III, and I 323.23
(General prices) is amended by adding
thereto Supplement T. which supple-
Alphabetical listing of code members having railway loading facilities, showing price classification by size group Not.)
5 4
R-II. I 323.8 (Special prices-(c) Railroad fuel prices for movement via all
lakes-al ports) is amended by adding
323.6 Alphabetical list of code members-Supplement R-I
a
(Special prices-(b) Railroad fuel prices
for all movements except via lakes) is
amended by adding thereto Supplement
Acting Director.
NOTE: The material contained in these supplements is to be read in the light*of the classifications, prices, instructions exceptions and other provisions contained in Part 323, Minimum
Price Schedule for District No. 3 and Supplements thereto.
I
betical list of code members) is amended
by adding thereto Supplement R-1, 323.8
DAN H. WHEELER
TEMPORARY AND CONDITIONALLY FINAL EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. 3
It is ordered, That the above-entitled
matters be, and they hereby are, con-
It is further ordered, That, pending
final disposition of the above-entitled
matters. temporary relief be, and the
same hereby is, granted as follows:
Commencing forthwith, I 323.6 (Alpha-
herein.
Order, pursuant to Rules and Regulations Governing Practice and Procedure
poses of the Act:
solidated
except truck, applicable to coals produced
at the Kano Mine should be established
for the coals of the Post Mine. These
price classifications and minimum prices
are the same as were proposed by the
District Board in Docket No. A-908 for
the coals produced at the Post Mine, and
they have accordingly been established
3
213
Arnold & Martin (E. C.
Hunt Bros
M. V. Freeport.
Bennett, Herbert
Dickeson's
Burnside #2
Pittsburgh
Fishback
Pittsburgh
Harvey, Rov.
Coyner.
Hoylman Coal Company
Redatone
Hoylman
Redatance
Provins.
Turkey Run.
Reeder, L.B.
Redstone,
Pittsburgh
Reeder
Redstone
Riddle
Pittsburgh
Freeport
Arnold)
1175
596
586
961
633
Burnside
Fineham Collins
(Ray Fincham)
Coseph Carl Boyl
70
Pittsburgh
32
31
mani.
600
710
1043
DORS
737
Martin, A.D.
Provina
Riddle, George W
Shahan Brothers Coal
Shaw
Stanley Coal Company
Ream #5
Victor Mining Company
Victory
M.V.Freeport
McKinlay
M.V.Freeport
Company.
214
Taylor Henry
212
1084
Post
(W. Koskey)
Company.
M.V.Freeport
70
Redstone
n
,
(MINE INDEX NO. 710) FOR ALL SHIP
,
FOR THE COALS OF HIS PROVINS MINE
quested the establishment of certain
minimum prices which are set forth in
cents per ton. The minimum prices
7)
CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES
unless the Director shall otherwise order.
In Docket No. A-888, instead of proposing the establishment of price classifications for his coals, for all shipments
except truck, the petitioner therein re-
J
NO. 3, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE
fications for his coals, for all shipments
except truck, the petitioner therein requested the establishment of certain
minimum prices which are set forth in
cents per ton. The minimum prices thus
proposed are not those applicable to rail
shipments, to any market area, of coals
which the petition alleges are analogous
to those produced at the Post Mine, nor
are they the minimum prices that would
be applicable if the proposals of the Dis.
trict Board in Docket No. A-908 were
adopted. The petition states that the
coals produced at the Post Mine are
similar to those produced at the Kano
Mine (Mine Index No. 83) of the Pecks
Run Coal Co.
It appears that the price classifications
and minimum prices, for all shipments
J
NO. 848) FOR TRUCK SHIPMENT: AND IN
THE MATTER OF THE PETITION OF A. A.
PROVINS, A CODE MEMBER IN DISTRICT
Docket No. A-888, instead of proposing the establishment of price classi.
71
FICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES FOR THE
COALS OF HIS POST MINE (MINE INDEX
In days the Director from the otherwise this final Order. order sixty
It is further ordered, That the relief
herein granted shall become final sixty
(60) days from the date of this Order,
,
FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE CLASSI-
of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937.
3
LOR A CODE MEMBER IN DISTRICT NO. 3.
Instituted Pursuant to section 4 II (d)
R
ING TEMPORARY RELIEF AND CONDITIONALLY PROVIDING FOR FINAL RELIEF IN THE
MATTER OF THE PETITION OF HENRY TAY-
(60) date
unless
shallof
Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings
as
ORDER OF CONSOLIDATION AND ORDER GRANT-
It is further
That the 1ellet
herein
grantedordered,
shall become
erning Practice and Procedure before the
31
[Dockets Nos. A-888, A-904, A-908)
PART 323-MINIMUM PRICE SCHEDULE,
DISTRICT No. 3
31
DIVISION
before the Bituminous Coal Division
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to la
tion
II (d) of the Bituminous Coal sec. Act
of 1937.
,
CHAPTER III-BITUMINOUS COAL
tions to stay, terminate, or modify the
temporary relief herein granted may be
filed with the Division within forty-five
(45) days from the date of this Order,
pursuant to Rules and Regulations Gov-
6
TITLE 30-MINERAL RESOURCES
8
3828
B
10
15
B
B
34
13
Acting Director.
DAN H. WHEELER
12
sary in order to effectuate the purposes
B[F. R. Doc. 41-5514; Filed, July 30, 1941; 10:00 a. m.)
B
11
10
9
[SEAL]
It is further ordered, That the relief
It is further ordered, That pleadings inArnold).
RakerstownMining Company
Lealle No.
Lealle Company. The
(60) days from the date of this Order,Kanswha Valley Coal Co
ant to the Rules and Regulations Gov-
adding thereto Supplement T. whichIt appearing that the above-entitled
adding thereto Supplement R-III. andrary and permanent, of price classifica-
rary relief herein granted may be filedSize groups
IN DISTRICT NO. 3
above-entitled matters and applicationsOF PRICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM
8
solidated.
7
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DE
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4
DE
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2
1
52
opposition to the original petitions in theDISTRICT BOARD 3 FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
61
(c) Railroad fuel prices for movement1937, having been duly filed with this
AND IN THE MATTER OF THE PETITION OF
Pittsburgh
No.
Watson & Gooks Charles Gooks!
No.
herein granted shall become final sixtyPittsburgh
No petitions of intervention having
It appearing that this action is neces-VI-Dot Co.. The (Martin J. Newbrough)
Division by the above-named party. re-
supplements are hereinafter set forthTRUCK SHIPMENTSOriginal petitions. pursuant to section
and hereby made a part hereof.
4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act of
group
fuel prices for all movements except via(Prices in cents per not too for shipment into all market areas
via all takes all ports) is amended by
Supplement R-II. I 323.8 (Special prices-
(Alphabetical list of code members) isOF ITS VI-DOT MINE (MINK INDEX NO. 218)
MATTER OF THE PETITION OF THE VI-DOT
R-I, 323.8 (Special prices-(b) Railroad
takes) is amended by adding thereto
PRICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM
I 323.23 (General prices) is amended byPRICES. FOR ALL SHIPMENTS, FOR THE COALS
PRICES FOR THE COALS OF CERTAIN MINES
origin
1043; Group No. 3: 212, 213, 214, 737,323.23 General prices-Supplement T
TRICT NO. 3, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF
of the Act:
ner hereinafter set forth: and
questing the establishment, both tempo-
Seam
Mine
to stay, terminate or modify the tempo-entitled matters: and
the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937.Code member Index
granting of temporary relief in the man-
Dated: July 10. 1941.tions and minimum prices for the coals
with the Division within forty-five (45)
Rowan No.
Monon
days from the date of this Order, pursu-TEMPORARY AND CONDITIONALEY FINAL EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. 31
M. V. Freeport
Hart
Size group Non.Hart, Oliver
Instituted Pursuant to section II (d) ofFreight
been filed with the Division in the above-Rowan & Son. B.
unless the Director shall otherwise order.Shahan Brothers Coal Company a Shahan)
Pittsburgh(W.Z. Koskey).
ing of necessity has been made for the
of certain mines in District No. 3: and
Shahan No.
erning Practice and Procedure Before the
matters raise analogous issues: and
Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings[Alphabetical Nating of code members having railway loading facilities, showing price classification by sise group Nos.)Arrold & Martin CE. c.
Rhahan Brothers Coal Company a. R. Shahan
It appearing that a reasonable show-
7
180
180
190
100
&
183
200
a
200
4
200
193
200
200
226
235
3
Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh
Barris
Redstone
Shahan
VI-Dot
B
M. Freeport
225
225
2
225
225
Lewis
Preston
Preston
Monon
County
ORDER OF CONSOLIDATION AND ORDER GRANT-
It is further ordered. That, pending
For railroad fuel prices, add these mine
For railroad fuel prices, add these mine
final disposition of the above-entitled
index numbers to the respective groups
Index numbers to the respective groups
matters, temporary relief is granted as
ING TEMPORARY RELIEF AND CONDITION-
set forth in $ 323.8 (c) in Price Schedule
set forth in 323.8 (b) in Price Schedule
follows: Commencing forthwith, 323.6
1175; Group No. 2: 633, 669. 848, 961,
ALLY PROVIDING FOR FINAL RELIEF IN THE
No. 1. Group No. 1: 586, 596, 710, 1082,
1082, 1175; Group No. 2: 633, 669, 848,
amended by adding thereto Supplement
COAL COMPANY, A CODE MEMBER IN DIS-
961, 1043; Group No. 3. 212, 213, 214,
No. 1. Group No. 1: 586, 596, 710 (a),
Vincent No
Nixon
For
1084.
Redstone
M. V. Freeport
Preston
M. V. Freeport
Victory
Hunt Bros
contained in these supplements is to be read in the light of the classifications, prices, instructions, exceptions and other provisions contained in Part 328, Mialmum
Price Schedule for District No. 3 and Supplemental thereto.
FOR ALL SHIPMENTS EXCEPT TRUCK
- 323.6 Alphabetical list of code inbers-Supplement R-IMine
Beam
Mine name
212
213
Code member
material
Albert
The
West Fork Coal & Coke Company (L. D. Perry).
For Mannaret Lillian (Fox Coal Co.)
Note:
$ 323.8 Special prices- Railroad
323.8 Special prices-(b) Railroad
matters be, and they hereby are, con-
all ports-Supplement R-III.
DISTRICT No. 3
takes-Supplement R-IL
No.
Index
Freeport
Kannedy Issac
M. V. Freeport
Ream #5
Taylor.
737, 1084.
It is ordered, That the above-entitled
(Docket Nos. A-931 and A-938
fuel prices for movement via all lakes-
PART 323 MINIMUM PRICE SCHEDULE
fuel prices for all movements except via
Banley Coal Company
Taylor,
2
2
Price
group
60
60
origin
Freight
group No
LS
LS
dist.
SubDAN H. WHEELER,James, Wm. W
217 James
Pittsburgh
(SEAL]
ordered.
III
origin
sifications and minimum prices for the
Leslle Company. The
Seam
Mine
Seam
Beech III Vein
Beech Coal Company (Files Duncan)
RELIEF IN THE MATTER OF THE PETITION
Mine
Code member
110
dist.
Code member
Beech III Vein
Beech Coal Company (Jiles Duncan)
III
110
NOTE: The material contained in these supplements is to be read in the light of the classin-Watson & Gocke
No.
Mine
index
Acting Director.Shahan Brothers Coal
Index
part hereof.
the above-entitled matter, and applica-
rates.
2
7
169
190
180
168
168
168
Mine Index No. 110 shall be included in Price Group 2 and shall be accorded the
Perry).
Schedule for District No. 11 for shipment into various market areas. It shall also be
accorded adjustments in O. b. mine prices on account of differences in freight rates
(F. R. Doc. 41-5515; Filed, July 30, 1941; 10:00 a. m.)
(Charles E. Gocke)
as those applicable to other mines in Freight Origin Group 60 having the same freight
prices shown for other mines in Price Group 2 listed in Part 331 in Minimum PriceFOR ALL SHIPMENTS EXCEPT TRUCK
cations, prices, instructions. exceptions and other provisions contained in Part 331, MinimumCompany, (L. D.
1
6
178
178
190
178
200
178
5
193
193
193
193
198
193
193
210
200
4
193
235
225
218
218
218
210
200
218
2
Size groups$ 331.5 Alphabetical list of code members-Supplement R-Iin opposition to the original petition in
Z20
218
223
223
218
205
218
218
235
Z25
223
223
County
Preston
Preston
Gilmer
and
Pittsburgh
granting of temporary relief in the man-
Mine Index No. 110 shall be accorded the same prices for railroad locomotive fuel as(Martin J. New-ner hereinafter set forth: and
shown in $ 331.10 in Minimum Price Schedule for District No. 11 as those shown forbrough).No petitions of intervention having
Mine Index Nos. 1.2. 3. 23, 30. 56, 68, 70, 73.
Marlon
Price
Lealle No.
M. V. Freeport
Shahan No. 1.
VI-Dot
Pittsburgh
Harrison
No.
Vincent No.
Pittsburgh
Harrison
220
218
221
219
223
Freight
(Docket No. A-900]
, 323.8 Special prices-(b) Railroad
tions to stay. terminate, or modify the
The following action being deemed
323.8 Special prices-(c) Railroad
fuel prices for all movements except via
temporary relief herein granted may be
necessary in order to effectuate the pur-
fuel prices for movement tia all lakes-
lakes-Supplement R-II.
filed with the Division within forty-five
all rts-Supplement R-III.
poses of the Act:
For railroad fuel prices, add these mine
(45) days from the date of this Order,
For railroad fuel prices, add these mine
It is ordered, That, pending final dis-
index numbers to be respective groups set
pursuant to Rules and Regulations Gov-thereto Supplement R-I, and I 331.10
It is further ordered, That the reliefset forth in 323.8 (c) in Price Schedule
temporary relief be, and the same hereby$ 323.23 General ces-Supplement T
fuel) is amended by adding thereto Sup-
Index numbers to be respective groups
position of the above-entitled matter.
(60) days from the date of this Order.593, 698, 1015; Group No. 2: 933; Group
Instituted Pursuant to section 4 II (d)hereinafter set forth and hereby made a
593, 698, 1015: Group No. 2: 933; Group
forthwith 331.5 (Alphabetical list of
forth in 323.8 (b) in Price Schedule
erning Practice and Procedure Before the
No. 1. Group No. 1: 218, 221, 222. 223.
Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings
No. 1. Group No. 1: 218, 221, 222. 223,
331.10 Special prices: Railroad locomotive fuel-Supplement R-II
of 1937, having been duly filed with this
questing the establishment of price clas-
DISTRICT No. 11
Mine
Sub-
is. granted as follows: Commencing
An original petition. pursuant to sec-
Code member Index
Mine
been filed with this Division in theWest Fork Coal & Coke
Beam
TAIN MINES IN DISTRICT NO. 11
MINIMUM PRICES FOR THE COALS OF CER-
CONDITIONALLY PROVIDING FOR FINAL
plement R-II, which supplements are
No. 3: 220; Group No. 6: 219.
Dated: July 18, 1941.TRUCK SHIPMENTS
(Special prices: Railroad locomotive
No. 3: 220; Group No. 6: 219.
unless it shall it shall otherwise bePrice Schedule for District No. 11 and Supplements thereto.
of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937.It is further ordered, That pleadings
code members) is amended by adding
herein granted shall become final sixtyTEMPORARY AND CONDITIONALLY FINAL EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. 11[Prices in cents per net ton for shipment into all market areas)
Company, (J. 8. ShaIt appearing that a reasonable show-
OF DISTRICT BOARD 11 FOR THE ESTAB-
ing of necessity has been made for theVI-Dot Coal Co., The
LISHMENT OF PRICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND
Division by the above-named party. re-
PART 331-MINIMUM PRICE SCHEDULE.
han).
tion II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act
group
ORDER GRANTING TEMPORARY RELIEF AND
group No.
No.
coals of certain mines in District No. 11:
(F. R. Doc. 41-5516; Filed, July 30, 1941; 10:01 a. m.)
above-entitled matter; and
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
TITLE 32-NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER XI-OFFICE OF PRICE ADMINISTRATION AND CIVILIAN SUPPLY
PART 335-CHEMICALS
CIVILIAN ALLOCATION PROGRAM FOR COTTON
LINTERS
It is essential that there be provided
an increasing supply of chemical grade
cotton linters, used both in chemical
manufacture and in the making of
smokeless powder. Cotton linters are
cut from cottonseed in such a manner
that first cut or mattress linters are not
available for chemical processing. It is
therefore necessary to require that only
a limited amount of the total cut be removed in the first cut process.
Accordingly, pursuant to the powers
vested in me by Executive Order No. 8734,
cottonseed by a crushing mill that makes
only one cut.*
1335.14 Reports. Each cottonseed
oil crushing mill engaged in the produc-
tion of cotton linters shall each month
report to the Office of Production Management the manner of its compliance
with this program, and such report shall
include a certified statement of the intake
of cottonseed by such mill and its pro-
duction of lint, by grades. And every
person purchasing second cut chemical
grade and mill run linters shall each
month report to the Office of Production
Management his purchases and dispositions of such linters.
1335.15 Enforcement. This program
shall be administered and enforced by the
Office of Production Management.
Issued this 31st day of July, 1941.
LEON HENDERSON,
Administrator
particularly section 2(a) thereof, the following program is announced:
(F. R. Doc. 41-5602 Filed, July 31, 1941;
1335.11 Cutting of linters. No cot-
11.51 a. m.)
production of cotton linters and using
Notices
111335.11 to 1335.15, inclusive, issued pursuant to Executive Order No. 8734.
1335.12 Sale of linters. No cottonseed oil crushing mill making more than
one cut shall sell any of its second cut
chemical grade linters, nor shall any mill
making but one cut sell more than 20%
of its mill run linters, other than for ultimate use in the chemical industry: nor,
on and after July 31, 1941, regardless of
the terms of any contract of sale or purchase, or other commitment, entered into
prior to such date, shall any person in
possession of mill run or second cut
chemical grade linters make any deliverles thereof other than in accordance with
the foregoing. except that any person
seeking to deliver linters in accordance
with such a contract of sale entered into
prior to July 31, 1941 may apply for permission to make such delivery. Permission to make delivery may be granted by
the Director of Priorities of the Office of
Production Management, with the concurrence of the Director of Civilian Allocation of the Office of Price Administration and Civilian Supply. Provided, how.
ever, That nothing in this program shall
be construed to apply to sales or deliveries to the United States, or to the Government of any country whose defense
the President deems vital to the defense
of the United States.
1,335.13 Definitions. As used in this
cut from
means
the cut-
order, ting those of linters cottonseed "first resulting cotton by a crushing linters" first mill
that
makes more than one cut. "Second cut
chemical grade linters" means all those
linters resulting from all cuts subsequent
to the first. "Mill run linters" means all
those linters resulting from the cutting of
6 F.R. 1917.
No.149 a
1. General. The notes of both series
will be dated August 1, 1941, and will
mature August 1, 1943. The owner's
name and address, and the date of issue
will be entered on each note at the time
of its issue by a Federal Reserve Bank
The month in which payment is received
by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or
by the Treasurer of the United States,
will determine the purchase price and issue date of each note. The notes may
not be transferred. No hypothecation of
the notes on any account will be recognized by the Treasury Department and
they will not be accepted to secure deposits of public money. Except as herein
provided, the notes will be subject to the
general regulations of the Treasury Department, now or hereafter prescribed
governing bonds and notes of the United
States.
2. Denominations and interest. The
notes of Tax Series A-1943 will be issued
in denominations of $25, $50. and $100.
amount of 16 cents on each $100 principal amount. that is. 4 cents on each $25.
first cut linters to a higher proportion
than 20% of its total cut.*
II. DESCRIPTION OF NOTES
and interest thereon will accrue during
each month after August 1941, in the
tonseed oil crushing mill engaged in the
more than one cut in the process shall cut
3831
8 cents on each $50. and 16 cents on each
TREASURY DEPARTMENT.
Bureau of the Public Debt.
[1941 Department Circular No. 667]
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TREASURY
$100 denomination of note. The notes
of Tax Series B-1943 will be issued in
denominations of $100. $500. $1,000. $10.-
000 and $100,000. and interest thereon will
accrue each month after August 1941. in
the amount of 4 cents on each $100 prin-
NOTES, DATED AUGUST 1, 1941, DUE
cipal amount, that is 4 cents on each
AUGUST 1, 1943, ISSUED AT PAR AND Ac-
ACCRUED INTEREST IN PAYMENT OF
$100, 20 cents on each $500, 40 cents on
each $1,000. $4.00 on each $10,000. and
$40.00 on each $100,000 denomination of
FEDERAL INCOME TAXES
note. In no case, however, shall interest
CRUED INTEREST. ACCEPTABLE AT PAR AND
JULY 1941.
L OFFERING OF NOTES
1. The Secretary of the Treasury, pur-
suant to the authority of the Second
Liberty Bond Act, as amended, offers for
sale, to the people of the United States,
through the Federal Reserve Banks, at
par and accrued interest, two issues of
nontransferable notes of the United
States, designated Treasury Notes of Tax
Series A-1943, and Treasury Notes of Tax
Series B-1943. As hereinafter provided,
the notes of both series will be acceptable
at par and accrued interest in payment
of Federal income taxes: Provided, however, That not exceeding $1,200 principal
amount of notes of Tax Series A-1943,
and the accrued interest thereon, will be
accepted from any one owner in any period of twelve consecutive months in pay-
ment of taxes due from such owner. If
not presented in payment of taxes, the
notes will be redeemable at the purchase
price as hereinafter provided.
2. Descriptions of the notes of both
series, and their terms are hereinafter
fully set forth. The notes will be placed
on sale beginning August 1, 1941, and
the sale will continue until December
31, 1941, unless earlier terminated, as to
either or both series, by the Secretary of
the Treasury.
accrue beyond the month in which the
note is presented in payment of taxes, or
beyond its maturity. Exchanges of authorized denominations of -each series
from higher to lower. but not from lower
to higher, may be arranged at the Federal Reserve Bank of issue.
3. Purchase price, and tax-payment
value. The notes of both series will be
sold at par during August 1941, and will
be sold at par and accrued interest during each subsequent month while they
remain on sale, the purchase price for a
note of any denomination of either series advancing each month after August
1941. in the amount of one month's interest on that note. Tables, showing for
each month from August 1941. to August
1943, for each denomination of each series, the principal amount of the notes
with accrued interest added, are ap.
pended to this circular. The total shown
for any denomination for any monthAugust through December 1941-while
the notes remain on sale, is the purchase
price, or cost, of the note during that
month. Also, the total shown for any
denomination for any month thereafter
is the tax-payment value, or the amount
at which the note will be acceptable dur-
ing that month in payment of Federal
income taxes as herein provided.
4. Acceptability in payment of taxes.
The notes of both series (but not more
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3832
than $1,200 principal amount of notes of
Tax Series A-1943 from any one owner
designate agencies other than those
herein provided for the sale of. or for
in any period of twelve consecutive
the handling of applications for Treasury
notes to be issued hereunder.
3. Delivery of notes. Upon acceptance
income taxes (current and back personal
and corporation taxes, and excess-profits
of full-paid applications, notes will be
months) will be acceptable, at par and
accrued interest, in payment of Federal
taxes). The conditions of presentation,
surrender and acceptance of the notes in
payment of such taxes are set forth in
Section IV of this circular.
5. Payment or redemption for cash.
The notes of either series may not be
called by the Secretary of the Treasury
for redemption prior to maturity. If
such notes are not presented in payment
of taxes: (1) they will be payable at ma-
turity, or (2) they will be redeemable
prior to maturity, at the owner's option
and request, as hereinafter provided in
Section V. and in either case payment
will be made only at the price paid for
the notes.
6. Taxation. Income derived from the
notes shall be subject to all Federal taxes,
now or hereafter imposed. The notes
shall be subject to estate, inheritance,
gift or other excise taxes, whether Federal or State, but shall be exempt from
all taxation now or hereafter imposed
on the principal or interest thereof by
any State, or any of the possessions of
the United States, or by any local taxing
authority.
III. PURCHASE OF NOTES
1. Applications and payment. Applications will be received by the Federal
Reserve Banks and Branches, and by the
Treasurer of the United States, Washington. D.C. Banking institutions generally
may submit applications for account of
customers, but only the Federal Reserve
Banks and the Treasurer of the United
States are authorized to act as official
agencies. Every application must be
accompanied by payment in full, at par
and accrued interest to the month in
which payment is received by a Federal
Reserve Bank or Branch, or the Treasurer of the United States. Any form of
exchange, including personal checks, will
be accepted subject to collection. and
should be drawn to the order of the Federal Reserve Bank or of the Treasurer of
the United States, as the case may be.
Any depositary. qualified pursuant to the
provisions of Treasury Department Circular No. 92 (revised February 23, 1932,
as supplemented) will be permitted to
make payment by credit for notes applied
for on behalf of itself or its customers
up to any amount for which it shall be
qualified in excess of existing deposits.
2. Reservations. The Secretary of the
Treasury reserves the right to reject any
application in whole or in part, and to
refuse to issue or permit to be issued
hereunder any notes in any case or in
any class or classes of cases if he deems
such action to be in the public interest,
and his action in any such respect shall
be final. If an application is rejected, in
whole or in part, any payment received
therefor will be refunded. The Secretary
of the Treasury. in his discretion, may
duly issued and, unless delivered in person, will be delivered by registered mail
within the Continental United States,
the Territories and Insular Possessions
of the United States, the Canal Zone and
the Philippine Islands. No deliveries
elsewhere will be made.
4. Form of application. In applying
for notes under this circular, care should
be exercised to specify whether those of
Tax Series A-1943, or Tax Series B-1943
are desired, and there must be furnished
the name and address of the individual,
corporation or other entity in which the
notes are to be issued: and if address
for the delivery of the notes is different,
appropriate instructions should be given.
The name should be in the same form
as that used in the Federal income tax
return of the purchaser. The use of an
official application form is desirable, but
not necessary. Appropriate forms may
be obtained on application to any Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, and banking institutions generally will supply such
fore advance
Tax Series A-1943 may be redeemed
B-1943
but redeemed notes maturity of before Tax without Series may notice. be. be
maturity only after 60
days from date of issue and on 30 days
advance notice. The timely surrender of
a note of Tax Series B-1943, bearing a
properly executed request for payment
will be accepted as constituting the ad.
vance notice required hereunder.
2. Execution of request for payment.
The owner in whose name the note is
inscribed must appear before one of the
officers authorized by the Secretary of
the Treasury to witness and certify requests for payment, establish his Iden.
tity, and in the presence of such officer
sign the request for payment appearing
on the back of the note, adding the
address to which check is to be mailed.
After the request for payment has been
so signed, the witnessing officer should
complete and sign the certificate provided for his use,
3. Officers authorized to witness and
certify requests for payment. Any officers authorized to witness and certify
requests for payment of United States
Savings Bonds, as set forth in Treasury
Department Circular No. 530. Fourth
Revision, as amended are hereby author-
ized to witness and certify requests for
forms.
IV. PRESENTATION IN PAYMENT OF TAXES
1. After three months from month of
purchase (as shown by the date of issue
on each note), but not before January
1942, during such time, and under such
rules and regulations as the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury,
shall prescribe, notes issued hereunder in
the name of a taxpayer (individual, cor-
poration, or other entity) may be presented and surrendered by such taxpayer, his agent, or his estate, to the
Collector of Internal Revenue, to whom
the tax return is made, and will be recelvable by the Collector at par and
accrued interest from August 1941, to
the month, inclusive (but no accrual beyond August 1943), in which presented in
payment of any Federal income taxes
(current and back personal and corpora-
tion taxes, and excess-profits taxes)
assessed against the original purchaser
or his estate, but not more than $1,200
principal amount of notes of Tax Series
A-1943, and the accrued interest thereon,
may be accepted by the Collector in any
period of twelve consecutive months in
payment of Federal Income taxes due
from such owner. The notes must be
forwarded to the Collector at the risk
and expense of the owner, and, for his
protection, should be forwarded by
registered mail, if not presented in
person.
V. CASH REDEMPTION AT OR PRIOR TO
MATURITY
1. General Any Treasury note of Tax
Berles A-1943 or Tax Series B-1943 will
be redeemed for cash at the purchase
price at or before maturity. Notes of
cash redemption of Treasury notes
issued under this circular. Such officers
include United States postmasters, certain other post office officials, and the
executive officers of all banks and trust
companies incorporated in the United
States or its organized territories, including officers at branches thereof who
are certified to the Treasury Depart-
ment as executive officers.
4. Presentation and surrender. Notes
bearing properly executed requests for
payment must be presented and sur-
rendered to the Federal Reserve Bank of
issue at the expense and risk of the
owner. For the owner's protection,
notes should be forwarded by registered
mail, if not presented in person.
5. Disability or death. In case of the
disability or death of the owner, and the
notes are not to be presented in payment
of Federal income taxes due from his
estate, instructions should be obtained
from the Federal Reserve Bank of issue
before the request for payment is executed, or the notes presented.
6. Partial redemption. Partial cash
notes of either series, corto an authorized
made
inbethe
same manner,
demption tion, responding
may
of denominabeing
for In case
redemption of a note, the
be reissued with the same date of issue
as the note surrendered.
of any note,
request appropriate payment. changes remainder made of partial in will the
either or on
fore will be made
7. Payment. maturity, at maturity Payment redemption only by be- the
Bank that
will be made by
to of the owner, and
Federal note, and Reserve check issued mailed drawn the to
thethe
address
in his for
request
order given
will pay- be
ment. In any case, payment
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
made at the purchase price of the note,
that is, at par and accrued interest (if
any) paid at the time of purchase.
VI GENERAL PROVISIONS
TREASURY SERIES B-1943
3833
month-August through December
notes remain is
PURCHASE PRICE AND TAX-PAYMENT VALUE
DURING SUCCESSIVE MONTHS
or
the 1941-while Purchase the Price,
Cost, of on the sale, note
month
Table, showing for each month from
1. Federal Reserve Banks, as fiscal
or as
the
any denomination
August 1941, to August 1943, for notes of
each denomination, the principal amount
shown month during for thereafter that Also, the for total any
is the Tax-Payment
Value, or the amount at which the note
will be acceptable during that month in
payment of Federal income taxes.
with accrued interest added. The total
shown for any denomination for any
may agents ized to be of perform appropriate United such and States, services necessary are author- acts under
the provisions of this circular, and under
any instructions given by the Secretary
Denomination
of the Treasury.
2. The Secretary of the Treasury may
$100
$500
$1,000
at any time or from time to time supplement or amend the terms of this cir-
cular, or of any amendments or supplements thereto, and may at any time or
from time to time prescribe amendatory
rules and regulations governing the offering of the notes, information as to
which will promptly be furnished to the
Federal Reserve Banks.
[SEAL] HENRY MORGENTHAU, Jr.
August 1941
$100.00
1941
October 1941
November 1941
December 1941
DURING SUCCESSIVE MONTHS
Table, showing for each month from
August 1941, to August 1943, for notes of
each denomination, the principal amount
with accrued interest added. The total
shown for any denomination, for any
month-August through December
$1,000.00
$10,000
$100,000
100,040
500.30
1,000.40
100.06
500.40
1,000.80
10,008
1,001.20
10,012
100,080
100,120
1,001.60
10,016
100,160
$1,002.00
1,002.40
$10,020
$100,200
10,024
10.02
100.240
100,280
501.80
1,002.80
1,003.20
1,003.60
10,036
502.00
1,004.00
10,040
502.20
1,004.40
1,004.80
1,005.20
1,005.60
Be
500.80
10,004
Tax-payment value
$100.20
May 1942
PURCHASE PRICE AND TAX-PAYMENT VALUE
$500.0
100.04
100.16
June 1942
TREASURY NOTES-TAX SERIES A-1943
$300,000
Purchase Price
January 1942
February 1942
March 1942
April 1942
Secretary of the Treasury.
$10,000
July 1942
August 1942
September 1942
October 1942
November 1942
December 1942
January 1943
February 1943
March 1943
April 1943
$501.0
100.24
100.2
501.30
100.32
100.36
100.40
501.60
501.40
502.00
502.00
502.80
503.00
503.20
503.40
503.00
504.00
1,007.20
1,007.60
1,008.00
504.20
1,008.40
503.80
May 1943
June 1943
1,006.00
1,006.40
1,006.80
504.40
July 1943
August 1943
504.00
504.80
1941-while the notes remain on sale, is
the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note
10,082
10,044
10,048
10,052
10,056
10,060
10,064
10,068
10,072
10,076
10,080
10,084
10,068
1,009.20
1,009.60
100,320
100,360
100,400
100,440
10,002
10,096
100,520
100,560
100,000
100,640
100,660
100,720
100,760
100,800
100,840
100,880
100,920
100.9
(F. R. Doc. 41-5589; Filed, July 31, 1941; 10:13 a. m.)
during that month. Also, the total
shown for any denomination for any
month thereafter is the Tax-Payment
Value, or the amount at which the note
will be acceptable during that month in
payment of Federal income taxes.
WAR DEPARTMENT.
(Contract No. w 585 ac-45
SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIES
CONTRACTOR: UNILOY ACCESSORIES COR-
Denomination
$25
PORATION
$100
$50
Amount: $1,010,278.14
Purchase Price
August 1941
September 1941
October 1941
November 1941
December 1941
$25.00
$50.
50.08
Place: Matériel Division, Air Corps,
$100.00
100.10
100.82
100.48
100.64
Tax payment value
January 1942
February 1942
March 1942
April 1942
May 1942
June 1942
July 1942
August 1942
September 1942
October 1942
November 1942
December 1942
January 1943
February 1943
March 1943
April 1943
1943
1943
$25.20
$50
Contract for: Oxygen Regulators
$100.8
U. 8. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio.
The supplies and services to be obtained by this instrument are authorized
by, are for the purpose set forth in, and
are chargeable to Procurement Authority AC 299 P 123-30 A 0021-13, the avail-
able balance of which is sufficient to
cover cost of same.
This contract, entered into this 16th
day of June 1941.
Scope of this contract. The contractor
Oxshall furnish and deliver
ygen Regulators
for
the
con-
sideration stated one million, ten thousand two hundred seventy eight dollars
and fourteen cents ($1,010,278.14) in
strict accordance with the specifications,
schedules and drawings, all of which are
made a part hereof.
July 1943
August 1943
Approved by the Under Secretary of War
June 21, 1941.
Changes. Where the supplies to be
furnished are to be specially manufactured in accordance with drawings and
specifications, the contracting officer may
at any time, by a written order, and without notice to the sureties, make changes
in the drawings or specifications, except
Federal Specifications. Changes as to
shipment and packing of all supplies may
also be made as above provided.
Delays-Damages. If the contractor
refuses or fails to make deliveries of the
materials or supplies within the time
specified in Article 1, or any extension
thereof, the Government may by written
notice terminate the right of the con-
tractor to proceed with deliveries or such
part or parts thereof as to which there
has been delay.
Payments. The contractor shall be
paid, upon the submission of properly
certified invoices or vouchers, the prices
stipulated herein for articles delivered
and accepted or services rendered, less
deductions, if any, as herein provided.
Unless otherwise specified, payments will
be made on partial deliveries accepted
by the Government when the amount
due on such deliveries 80 warrants; or,
when requested by the contractor, payments for accepted partial deliveries
shall be made whenever such payments
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3834
would equal or exceed either $1,000 or 50
percent of the total amount of the contract.
Option. The Government is granted
the right and option at any time during
the life of this contract to increase the
quantity of Regulators called for under
Item 1 by any amount not exceeding
not more than the unit
in Article
The
the further right and option at any
Regulators. price stipulated at Government 1 is for granted time said
during the life of this contract to increase the quantity of Regulators called
for under Item 2 by any amount not
exceeding at not more than
the unit price stipulated in Article 1 for
said Regulators.
Advance payments. At any time and
from time to time, after the approval
of this contract, at the request of the
Contractor and subject to the approval
of the Chief of the Air Corps as to the
necessity therefor, the Government
shall advance to the Contractor, without
payment of interest therefor by the Contractor, sums not to exceed three hundred three thousand eighty three dollars
and forty-four cents ($303,083.44) or
thirty percentum (30%) of the contract
price.
Termination when contractor not in
default. If. in the opinion of the contracting officer upon the approval of
the Secretary of War, the best interests
of the Government so require, this con-
tract may be terminated by the Gov-
ernment, even though the contractor be
not in default, by a notice in writing
relative thereto from the contracting
officer to the contractor.
This contract authorized under the
provisions of section 1 (a), Act of July
1940.
FRANK W. BULLOCK
Major. Signal Corps,
Assistant to the Director of
Purchases and Contracts.
[P. R Doc. 41-5592 Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:35 a m.)
Scope of this contract. The contrac-
tor shall furnish and deliver mainte-
nance parts for airplanes for
the consideration stated seven million
eight hundred nine thousand five hun-
dred ninety seven dollars ($7,809,597.00)
in strict accordance with the specifications, schedules and drawings. all of
which are made a part hereof.
Changes. Where the supplies to be
furnished are to be specially manufactured in accordance with drawings and
specifications, the contracting officer
may at any time, by a written order, and
without notice to the sureties, make
changes in the drawings or specifications,
except Federal Specifications. Changes
as to shipment and packing of all sup-
U. S. Army. Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio.
The supplies and services to be obtained by this instrument are authorized
by. are for the purpose set forth in, and
are chargeable to Procurement Authority
AC 28 82-3037 A 0705-01, the available
balance of which is sufficient to cover
cost of same.
This contract. entered into this 27th
day of June 1941.
Approved by the Under Secretary of War
June 30, 1941.
thereon, and further agrees to keep
property so insured, free of cost to the
Government, until the same is delivered
to the Government. Such property is to
be considered as delivered to the Govern-
ment upon its final acceptance.
This contract authorized under the
provisions of section 1 (a), Act of July 2
1940.
Assistant to the Director of
Major, Signal Corps,
materials or supplies within the time
specified in Article 1, or any extension
thereof. the Government may by written
notice terminate the right of the contractor to proceed with deliveries or such
part or parts thereof as to which there
has been delay.
Payments. The contractor shall be
paid, upon the submission of properly
Purchases and Contracts
[F. R. Doc. 41-5593: Filed, July 31, 1941
10:35 m.)
(Contract No. W 535 ac-18864: 4765
SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIES
CONTRACTOR: GENERAL MOTORS CORPORA-
certified invoices or vouchers, the prices
stipulated herein for articles delivered
and accepted or services rendered, less
deductions, if any, as herein provided.
Unless otherwise specified, payments will
be made on partial deliveries accepted
by the Government when the amount due
on such deliveries so warrants; or, when
requested by the contractor, payments
for accepted partial deliveries shall be
made whenever such payments would
equal or exceed either $1,000 or 50 percent of the total amount of the contract.
Advance payments. Advance pay-
TION, AEROPRODUCTS DIVISION
Contract for:
Propeller As-
semblies and Data.
Amount: $1,481,088.50.
Place: Matériel Division. Air Corps,
U. S. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio.
The supplies and services to be ob
tained by this instrument are authorized
by. are for the purpose set forth in, and
are chargeable to Procurement Authorities listed below, the available balances
of which are sufficient to cover cost of
same.
AC 34 P 12-3037 A 0705-01
ments may be made from time to time for
the supplies called for when the Secretary
of War deems such action necessary in
the interest of the National Defense.
Price adjustment. The contract prices
day of May 1941.
subject to adjustments for changes in
tor shall furnish and deliver
stated in this contract for Parts are
General It is expressly agreed that
quotas for labor will not be altered on
account of delays in the completion of the
Place: Matériel Division, Air Corps,
payments, if any, theretofore made
refuses or fails to make deliveries of the
Parts.
Amount: $7,809,597.00
is about to be made, such Insurance
be in a sum at least equal to the amount
of such payment plus all other partial
FRANK W. BULLOCK,
CONTRACTOR: CURTISS-WRIGHT CORPORATION, AIRPLANE DIVISION-BUFFALO PLANTS
Airplanes.
possession upon which a partial payment
Delays-Damages. If the contractor
SUMMARY OF CONTRACT 1 FOR SUPPLIES
Contract for: Maintenance Parts for
Fire insurance. The contractor
to insure against fire all property in
plies may also be made as above provided.
labor and material costs.
[Contract No. W 535 ac-20003; 5215)
made prior to the completion of this
contract, shall in the Government
Termination when contractor not in
default. If, in the opinion of the contracting officer upon the approval of the
Secretary of War, the best interests of the
Government so require, this contract may
be terminated by the Government, even
though the contractor be not in default,
AC 26 P 81-3037 A 0705-01
AC 28 P 82-3037 A 0705-01
This contract, entered into this 21st
Scope of this contract. The contrac-
propeller assemblies and data for the
stated One
One
and Fifty
strict accordance
Hundred consideration Eighty Thousand Cents Million ($1,481.- Eighty Four
schedules
all are made a
Eight 088.50) specifications, Dollars in and hereof. drawings with the
Where the
to be
furnished Changes. of which
partspecially
supplies manufac- to be
with
the
at time, by a written
tured specifications, in accordance are contracting drawings order, officer and and
to the
the drawings or
by a notice in writing relative thereto
from the contracting officer to the con-
tractor.
Partial payments. The contracting
officer may, from time to time, authorize
partial payments to the contractor upon
property acquired and/or produced by it
for the performance of this contract.
Title to property where partial payments are made. The title to all preperty upon which any partial payment is
tions, except Federal of
may changes without any notice in sureties, Specifications specifica- make
Changes as to shipment and packing above
all supplies may also be made as
provided. Delays-Damages. If the contractor the
refuses or fails to make deliveries of time
materials or supplies within the
Approved by the Under Secretary of War
June 17, 1941.
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
in Article 1, or any extension
the Government may
to with or
the
specified thereof, notice terminate right of by the written con-
thereof as
part tractor or parts proceed deliveries to which there such
has been delay.
The
the
invoices or vouchers,
paid, Payments. upon submission contractor of the shall properly prices be
herein for
or
if any, as
and stipulated certified accepted services articles herein rendered, delivered less
Unless deductions, made otherwise on partial specified, deliveries payments provided. accepted will
such so
Government
due by be when the on requested deliveries by the when contractor, warrants; the amount pay- or
ments for accepted partial deliveries
shall be made whenever such payments
would equal or exceed either $1,000 or
50 percent of the total amount of the
contract
Option. The Government is granted
the right and option at any time prior
to increase the quantity
of propeller assemblies called for under
paragraph (1) of Article 16 hereof to
any quantity not exceeding
Termination when contractor not in
to
default. If. in the opinion of the contracting officer upon the approval of the
Secretary of War, the best interests of
the Government so require, this contract
may be terminated by the Government,
even though the contractor be not in
default, by a notice in writing relative
thereto from the contracting officer to
the contractor.
This contract authorized under the
provisions of Section 1 (a), Act of July
1940.
FRANK W. BULLOCK,
Major, Signal Corps,
Assistant to the Director of
Purchases and Contracts.
(P. R. Doc. 41-5594: Filed. July 81, 1941;
10:35 a. m.)
Scope of this contract. The contractor
shall furnish and deliver
airplanes, spare parts therefor and data for
the consideration stated not to exceed
Ten Million Five Hundred Eighty-seven
Thousand One Hundred Ninety-two Dollars ($10,587,192.00) in strict accordance
with the specifications, schedules, and
drawings, all of which are made a part
hereof.
Changes. Where the supplies to be
furnished are to be specially manufactured in accordance with drawings and
specifications, the contracting officer may
at any time, by a written order, and without notice to the sureties, make changes
in the drawings or specifications, except
Federal Specifications. Changes as to
shipment and packing of all supplies may
[Contract No. W 535 ac-18393 (4617) ]
CONTRACTOR: DOUGLAS AIRCRAFT COMPANY,
INC.
Contract for:
Airplanes,
Spare Parts Therefor and Data
Amount $10,587,192.00
Place: Matériel Division, Air
Wright
The Army. supplies Field,and
services Dayton, to be Corps, Ohio. ob-
this instrument are authorized
the set
by, are tained are chargeable
for purposeProcureforth in, and
to the by
following
ment Authorities, the available balances
of which are sufficient to cover costs of
same:
AC 34 P 12-30 0 0706-12
AC 28 P 82-30 A 0705-12
This contract, entered into this 16th
day of June 1941.
June Approved 24, 1941. by the Under Secretary of War
erty upon which any partial payment is
made prior to the completion of this contract, shall vest in the Government.
Fire insurance. The contractor agrees
to insure against fire all property in its
possession upon which a partial payment
is about to be made, such insurance to be
in a sum at least equal to the amount of
such payment plus all other partial payments, If any, theretofore made thereon,
and further agrees to keep such property
so insured, free of cost to the Government, until the same is delivered to the
Government.
This contract is authorized under the
provisions of Section 1 (a) Act of July 2,
1940.
FRANK W. BULLOCK,
Major, Signal Corps,
Assistant to the Director of
also be made as above provided.
Delays-Damages. If the contractor
Purchases and Contracts.
refuses or falls to make deliveries of the
materials or supplies within the time
specified in Article 1, or any extension
thereof, the Government may by written
notice terminate the right of the con-
IF. R. Doc. 41-5595 Filed, July 81, 1941;
tractor to proceed with deliveries or such
[Contract No. W 535 ac-120]
part or parts thereof as to which there
has been delay.
10:35 a. m.)
SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIES
Payments. The contractor shall be
paid, upon the submission of properly
certified invoices or vouchers, the prices
stipulated herein for articles delivered
and accepted or services rendered, less
deductions, if any, as herein provided.
Spare Parts Therefor, and Data.
Unless otherwise specified, payments will
U. S. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio.
be made on partial deliveries accepted
by the Government when the amount
due on such deliveries so warrants; or,
when requested by the contractor, payments for accepted partial deliveries shall
be made whenever such payments would
equal or exceed either $1,000 or 50 percent
of the total amount of the contract.
Partial payments will be made as the
work progresses at the end of each cal-
endar month or as soon thereafter as
practicable on authenticated statements
of expenditures of the Contractor ap-
SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIES
3835
proved by the Contracting Officer.
Advance payments. Advance payments
may be made from time to time for the
supplies called for, when the Secretary
of War deems such action necessary in
the interest of the National Defense.
Price adjustment. The contract prices
stated in this contract for airplanes and
spare parts are subject to adjustments
for changes in labor and material costs.
It is expressly agreed that quotas for
labor will not be altered on account of
delays in the completion of the airplanes
and spare parts.
Termination when contractor not in
default. If, in the opinion of the con-
tracting officer upon the approval of the
Secretary of War, the best interests of the
Government so require, this contract may
be terminated by the Government, even
though the contractor be not in default,
by a notice in writing relative thereto
from the contracting officer to the contractor.
Title to property where partial payments are made. The title to all prop-
CONTRACTOR: NORTHROP AIRCRAFT, INC
Contract for
Airplanes,
Amount, $16,287,134.00.
Place, Matériel Division, Air Corps,
The supplies and services to be obtained by this instrument are authorized
by, are for the purpose set forth in, and
are chargeable to Procurement Authority
AC 299 111-30 A 0021-13, the available
balance of which is sufficient to cover
cost of same.
This contract, entered into this June
26th, 1941.
Scope of this contract. The contractor shall furnish and deliver
airplanes, spare parts and data for the
consideration stated sixteen million two
hundred eighty seven thousand one hundred thirty four dollars ($16,287,134.00)
in strict accordance with the specifica-
tions, schedules and drawings, all of
which are made a part hereof.
Changes. Where the supplies to be
furnished are to be specially manufactured in accordance with drawings and
specifications, the contracting officer may
at any time, by a written order. and without notice to the sureties, make changes
in the drawings or specifications, except
Federal Specifications Changes as to
shipment and packing of all supplies may
also be made as above provided.
Delays-Damages. If the contractor
refuses or fails to make deliveries of the
materials or supplies within the time
specified in Article 1, or any extension
thereof, the Government may by written
notice terminate the right of the contractor to proceed with deliveries or such
part or parts thereof as to which there
has been delay.
Approved by the Under Secretary of War
June 28, 1941.
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3836
Payments. The contractor shall be
paid, upon the submission of properly
certified invoices or vouchers, the prices
stipulated herein for articles delivered
and accepted or services rendered, less
deductions, If any. as herein provided.
Unless otherwise specified, payments will
be made on partial deliveries accepted by
the Government when the amount due
on such deliveries so warrants; or, when
requested by the contractor, payments
for accepted partial deliveries shall be
made whenever such payments would
equal or exceed either $1,000 or 50 percent of the total amount of the contract.
Partial payments will be made as the
work progresses at the end of each calendar month or as soon thereafter as
practicable on authenticated statements
of expenditures of the Contractor approved by the Contracting Officer.
Advance payments. Advance payments may be made from time to time
for the supplies called for, when the Sec-
retary of War deems such action necessary in the interest of the National Defense.
Price adjustment. The contract prices
stated in this contract for airplanes and
spare parts are subject to adjustments
for changes in labor and material costs.
General. It is expressly agreed that
quotas for labor will not be altered on
account of delays in the completion of
the airplanes and spare parts.
Title to property where partial payments are made. The title to all property upon which any partial payment is
made prior to the completion of this contract, shall vest in the Government.
Fire Insurance. The Contractor
agrees to insure against fire all property
in its possession upon which a partial
payment is about to be made, such insurance to be in a sum at least equal to the
amount of such payment plus all other
partial payments, If any, theretofore
made thereon, and further agrees to keep
such property so insured. free of cost to
the Government, until the same is delivered to the Government. Such property is to be considered as delivered to
the Government upon its final acceptance.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR.
Bituminous Coal Division.
(Docket No. 1732-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF OWL COAL COMPANY,
A PARTNERSHIP, CODE MEMBER, DxFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on September 24, 1941, at 10 a. m.
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
Coal Division the Post Office Building,
Terre Haute, Indiana.
It is further ordered, That W. A. Shipman or any other officer or officers of the
Bituminous Coal Division designated by
the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing, to administer oaths
and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their attendance, take evidence, require the production of any books, papers, correspond-
deemed relevant or material to the inquiry, to continue said hearing from time
(F. R. Doc. 41-5596; Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:36
alleged matters whether in incidental raised the herein, specifically thereto, other
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the Bity.
minous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: That during
the period March 1, 1941, to March
1941, inclusive, the defendant violated
the effective minimum prices by selling
to various purchasers including Walter
Scott, Jessie Mason, Teal Whalker, Harold Walter, Levi Gambill, and Chester
Bodwers, approximately 21,200 pounds of
coal prepared over a one-inch bar screen,
produced at the defendant's McCammon
Mine, Mine Index No. 1133 located in Sul-
livan County, Indiana, at the price of
$1.80 per ton f. O. b. the mine whereas
the effective minimum price for such coal,
Size Group No. 6, was and is $2.20 per
ton.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
[F. R. Doc. 41-5552; Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:04 a. m.]
to time, and to such places as be may
direct by announcement at said hearing
or any adjourned hearing or by subsequent notice, and to prepare and submit
to the Director proposed findings of fact
and conclusions and the recommendation
of an appropriate order in the premises,
and to perform all other duties in connection therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
Notice is hereby given, that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis.
Assistant to the Director of
Purchases and Contracts,
complaint
and related
ence, memoranda or other records
This contract is authorized under the
provisions of section 1 (a), Act of July 2,
Major, Signal Corps,
in addition to the matters
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
thereto from the contracting officer to
FRANK W. BULLOCK,
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
May 15, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 11, a District Board. complainant, with the Bituminous Coal Division alleging willful
violation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
before the date herein set for hearing on
1940.
allegations have consented of entry herein of and the an
appropriate
facts
alleged.order on the basis of the
by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
Termination when contractor not in
default. If. in the opinion of the contracting officer upon the approval of the
Secretary of War, the best interests of
the Government so require, this contract
may be terminated by the Government,
even though the contractor be not in dethe contractor.
the complaint
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, having been duly filed on
Any person or entity eligible under
fault by a notice in writing relative
to to the
shall be deemed to have admitted
301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Before the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections
II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, may file a petition for inter-
vention not later than five (5) days
the complaint.
tical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant falling to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
[Docket No. 1681-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF A. E. BONDS,
DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 29, 1941.
pursuant to the provisions of sections
II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous
on by
District No. a
Coal May Act 1, of 1941, 1937, having Bituminous been 13, duly Coal Pro- filed Dis-
trict
Division
ducers minous Board, Board Coal complainant, for alleging with the willful Bitu- Bitu-
violation by the defendant of the
minous Coal Code or rules and regulstions thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect to the subject matter of such com-
be held on October 16, 1941. at
a hearing room
at Room
10 plaint minous a. m. Coal at Division Birmingham, of the 303, Bitu- Jef-
ferson County Courthouse,
Alabama.
It further ordered, That Travis Wil- of
liams or any other officer or officers
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose mat-
at the hearing in such
The officer so to
shall ter. preside designated authorised to preside
at such hearing is hereby
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
conduct said hearing, to administer
oaths and affirmations,
examine
witnesses,
compel wittheir
take evidence,
of any
memoranda or
nesses, production attendance, subpoena books, papers, other require records corre- the
or
ton. as contained in the Schedule of
Effective Minimum Prices for District No.
13 for Truck Shipments, plus an amount
at least equal, as nearly as practicable,
to the actual transportation, handling
or incidental charges of whatsoever kind
or character (exclusive of customary
costs of mine operations) from the trans-
to continue
and to
deemed quiry, spondence, relevant material said such hearing places to the as from inby
hearing time may to direct or time, any adjourned announcement hearing at or said he by
portation facilities at said mine to the
point from which all such charges were
assumed and directly paid by the pur-
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings
and conclusions and the recom-
chaser.
of an
and to
of the mendation fact premises, appropriate perform all order other in
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5553: Filed. July 31, 1941:
duties in connection therewith author-
Dated: July 28, 1941
DAN H. WHEELER,
(SEAL)
10:04 a. m.]
ized by law.
of such hearing is hereby given
and to par-
ties and to persons
to Notice said herein defendant all all in other such and entitles
having an interest pro-
ceeding. Any person or entity eligible
under $ 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations Governing Practice and Procedure Before the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant
to sections 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the
Bituminous Coal Act of 1937, may file
a petition for intervention not later than
five (5) days before the date herein set
for hearing on the complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the
Bituminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statistical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern.
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: By selling
during February 1941, to Republic-Pratt
Coal Company, Birmingham, Alabama,
approximately tons of 1 1/2" coal,
Size No. 23,
Diamond
(Docket No. 1682-FD)
IN THE MATTER OF C. T. NORMAN,
DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 29, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
(j) and (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act
of 1937, having been duly filed on May 1,
tions (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous
file a
for intervention Coal Act of not
1937,later
may than petition five (5)
days before the date herein set for hearing on the complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the
Bituminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statistical bureaus of the Division. within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
orders entered therein may concern, in
addition to the matters specifically alleged in the complaint herein, other mat-
ters incidental and related thereto,
Board, complainant, with the Bitumi-
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
Board for District No. 13, a District
nous Coal Division alleging willful violation by the defendant of the Bituminous
Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder:
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on October 16, 1941, at 10 a. m.,
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
Coal Division at Room 303, Jefferson
County Court House, Birmingham, Alabama.
It is further ordered, That Travis Williams or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing. to administer
oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their
attendance, take evidence, require the
production of any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or other records
deemed relevant or material to the in-
quiry, to continue said hearing from
time to time, and to such places as he
may direct by announcement at said
hearing or any adjourned hearing or by
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings of fact and conclusions and the
recommendation of an appropriate order
in the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith authorized by law.
Republic, Alabama, whereas the
price f.
established cable minimum O. b. the appli- mine
for such coal is $2.40 per net
$ 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Be-
$1.85 to
No. at
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec-
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
per bama, ton in and District per 13, ton prices delivered of $1.50 Ala-
in
fore the Bituminous Coal Division in
1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
ant's No. 287, Group Blue located Jefferson produced Mine, County. Mine at defend- Index
3837
Any person or entity eligible under
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said com-
plainant, alleging willful violation by the
above-named defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
thereunder as follows: By selling during
the period October 1, 1940, through February 1941, to Tombrello Coal Company.
Cardiff. Alabama, approximately 949 tons
of 1 1/2" x 0 coal, Size Group No. 23, produced at defendant's Norman Coal Co.
Mine, Mine Index No. 852, located in
Jefferson County, Alabama, in District
No. 13, at a price of $2.05 per ton delivered
to Cardiff, Alabama, whereas the applicable minimum price f. O. b. the mine established for such coal is $2.40 per net
ton, as contained in the Schedule of
Effective Minimum Prices for District No.
13 for Truck Shipments, plus an amount
at least equal, as nearly as practicable,
to the actual transportation, handling or
incidental charges of whatsoever kind or
character (exclusive of customary costs
of mine operations) from the transportation facilities at said mine to the point
from which all such charges were assumed and directly paid by the purchaser.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(P. R. Doc. 41-5554: Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:04 a. m.
(Docket No. 1683-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF ED SHEELOR,
DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 29. 1941,
pursuant to the provisions of sections
3838
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous
Coal Act of 1937, having been duly filed
on May 1, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 13. a District Board, complainant, with the Bitu-
minous Coal Division alleging willful
violation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on October 16. 1941, at 10 a. m.
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
Coal Division, Room 303. Jefferson
County Court House, Birmingham,
Alabama
It is further ordered, That Travis Williams or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such
matter. The officer so designated to
preside at such hearing is hereby authorized to conduct said hearing. to administer oaths and affirmations, examine
witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel
their attendance, take evidence, require
the production of any books, papers, cor-
respondence, memoranda or other records deemed relevant or material to the
inquiry. to continue said hearing from
time to time. and to such places as he
may direct by announcement at said
hearing or any adjourned hearing or by
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings
of fact and conclusions and the recom-
mendation of an appropriate order in
the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith author-
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation
by the above-named defendant of the
Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: By selling subsequent to September 30, 1940, to
Tombrello Coal Company. Cardiff, Ala.
bama, approximately 90 tons of 1 1/a' x 0
coal, Size Group No. 23, produced at defendant's Sheelor Mine, Mine Index No.
371, located in Jefferson County. Ala.
bama, in District No. 13. at a price of
$2.05 per ton delivered to Cardiff. Alabama, whereas the applicable minimum
price O. b. the mine established for such
coal is $2.30 per net ton, as contained in
the Schedule of Effective Minimum
Prices for District No. 13 for Truck Shipments, plus an amount at least equal, as
nearly as practicable, to the actual transportation, handling or incidental charges
of whatsoever kind or character (exclusive of customary costs of mine opera-
tions) from the transportation facilities
at said mine to the point from which all
such charges were assumed and directly
paid by the purchaser.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5555 Filed July 31, 1941;
10:04 m.)
ized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entitles having an interest in such proceed-
ing. Any person or entity eligible under
$ 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Before the Bituminous Coal Division in
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec-
tions 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition
for intervention not later than five (5)
days before the date herein set for hearing on the complaint
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the
Bituminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis-
tical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant: and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the allegations of the-complaint herein and to
have consented to the entry of an appro-
priate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
(Docket No. 1684-FD
IN THE MATTER OF DAISY CITY COAL COMPANY, DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 29, 1941, pur-
suant to the provisions of sections 4 II
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act
of 1937, having been duly filed on May 1,
1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers
deemed relevant or material to the in.
quiry, to continue said hearing from time
to time, and to such places as he may
direct by announcement at said hearing
or any adjourned hearing or by subsequent notice, and to prepare and submit
to the Director proposed findings of fact
and conclusions and the recommendation
of an appropriate order in the premises.
and to perform all other duties in con.
nection therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties
herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
Any person or entity eligible under
301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Be-
fore the Bituminous Coal Division in
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec.
tions 4.11 (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous
Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for
intervention not later than five (5) days
before the date herein set for hearing 00
the complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the
Bituminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statistical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant: and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the
facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
orders entered therein may concern, in
addition to the matters specifically alleged in the complaint herein, other
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
Board for District No. 13, a District
regard to the complaint filed by said
Board, complainant, with the Bituminous
Coal Division alleging willful violation by
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the Bltuminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: By selling
the defendant of the Bituminous Coal
Code or rules and regulations thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on October 16, 1941, at 10 a. m.,
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
during the period October 1, 1940.
through February 1941, to Tombrello
Coal Company. Cardiff, Alabama, approximately 1202 tons of 1 1/2" x coal,
Coal Division, Room 303, Jefferson County
Size Group No. 23, produced at defend-
Court House, Birmingham, Alabama
It is further ordered, That Travis Williams or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing. to administer oaths
and affirmations. examine witnesses,
subpoena witnesses, compel their attend-
ance, take evidence, require the production of any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or other records
ant's Daisy City #1 & #2 Mine, Mine
Index No. 310, located in Jefferson
County, Alabama, in District No. 13, at
a per ton delivered to Car-
diff. whereas the
minimum
f. o. b. the
price Alabama, of $2.05 price mine applicable net estab- ton.
lished for such coal is $2.40 per
as contained in the Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for District No. 13
for Truck Shipments, plus an amount to at
least equal, as nearly as practicable,
the actual transportation, handling kind or
incidental charges of whatsoever
or character (exclusive of customary
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
of mine operations) from the
facilities at
from which all
costs the transportation point such said mine charges the to
were assumed and directly paid by
purchaser.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
DAN H. WHEELER,
(SEAL)
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5556
Filed.
10:05 a.
m.) July 81, 1941:
[Docket No. 1685-FD
IN THE MATTER OF D. ABNEY,
DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 29. 1941, purprovisions of sections 4 II
of been on 1,
of the
suant (j) 1937, and to having the (b) Bituminous Bituminous duly Coal filed Producers Coal May Act
1941.
by
Board for District No. 13, a District
Board. complainant, with the Bitumi-
nous Coal Division alleging willful
violation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
thereunder;
Notice is hereby given, that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis-
tical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the défendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an appropriate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified, that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation
by the above-named defendant of the
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on October 16, 1941, 10 a. m.,
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: By selling
County Court House, Birmingham, Ala-
proximately 739 tons of 1 1/2" x 0 coal,
Size Group No. 23, produced at defendant's Abney Mine, Mine Index No. 278,
located in Jefferson County. Alabama, in
District No. 13, at a price of $2.05 per ton
delivered to Cardiff, Alabama, whereas
the applicable minimum price O. b. the
mine established for such coal is $2.40
per net ton. as contained in the Schedule
of Effective Minimum Prices for District
Coal Division, Room 303, Jefferson
bama.
It is further ordered, That Travis Williams or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside at such hearing is hereby authorized
to conduct said hearing, to administer
oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their
attendance, take evidence, require the
production of any books, papers, correspondence, memorands or other records deemed relevant or material to the
inquiry. to continue said hearing from
time to time, and to such places as he
may direct by announcement at said
hearing or any adjourned hearing or by
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings
of fact and conclusions and the recommendation of an appropriate order in the
premises, and to perform all other duties
in connection therewith authorized by
law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all
and to all
anpersons
interest
in such
having herein
other and
proceeding. entities parties
person or
of the Rules and
Practice
and
Any Governing 1301.123
entity Procedure
eligible Regulations under Before the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections
II (j) and 5 (b) of the
of 1937, file a
Coal Intervention
Actlater
may Bituminous
for
not
than fivepetition
(5) days
before the date herein set for hearing
on the complaint.
No.149
during the period October 1. 1940,
through February 1941, to Tombrello
Coal Company, Cardiff. Alabama, ap-
No. 13 for Truck Shipments, plus an
amount at least equal, as nearly as prac-
ticable, to the actual transportation,
handling or incidental charges of whatsoever kind or character (exclusive of
customary costs of mine operations)
from the transportation facilities at said
mine to the point from which all such
charges were assumed and directly paid
by the purchaser.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5557: Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:05 a. m.]
(Docket No. 1687-FD)
IN THE MATTER OF LONG & EARLY,
DEFENDANTS
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 29, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
(5) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, having been duly filed on
May 1, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 13, a District Board, complainant, with the Bltuminous Coal Division alleging willful
3839
violation by the defendants of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder:
to
such
beofon
at
It is ordered, That hearing in respect
the held subject October matter 16, 1941, complaint 10 a. m.,
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
Coal Division, Room 303, Jefferson
County Court House, Birmingham, Ala-
bama.
It is further ordered, That Travis Williams or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
so toto
at is
shall ter. such preside The hearing officer at the hereby designated hearing authorized in such preside mat-
conduct said hearing. to administer oaths
and affirmations, examine witnesses,
subpoena witnesses, compel their attendance, take evidence, require the
production of any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or other records
deemed relevant or material to the inquiry, to continue said hearing from
time to time, and to such places as he
may direct by announcement at said
hearing or any adjourned hearing or by
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings
of fact and conclusions and the recommendation of an appropriate order in
the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendants and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entities having an interest in such proceeding. Any person or entity eligible under
I 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Be-
fore the Bituminous Coal Division in
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec-
tions II (f) and 5 (b) of the Bitumi-
nous Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for intervention not later than five
(5) days before the date herein set for
hearing on the complaint.
Notice is hereby given, that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington
office or with any one of the statistical
bureaus of the Division, within twenty
(20) days after date of service thereof
on the defendants; and that any defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the
facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified, that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically alleged in the complaint herein, other mat-
ters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention. or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3840
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendants of the BItuminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: By selling
during the period October 1, 1940,
through February 1941. to Tombrello Coal
Company. Cardiff, Alabama, approximately 49 tons of 1 1/2' x 0 coal. Size
Group No. 23. produced at defendants'
Long & Early Mine, Mine Index No. 346,
located in Jefferson County. Alabama, in
therefor, and resold and delivered the
same to the Ohio Edison Company at
Toronto, Ohio, at less than the effective
minimum prices therefor, and in addltion thereto failed to add at least the
actual transportation charges from the
respective mines at which the coal was
produced to the point from which all
such charges were assumed and directly
paid by the Ohio Edison, Company at
Toronto, Ohio, as follows:
the applicable minimum price the
from which all such charges were assumed
and directly paid by the purchaser.
Mini
mum
prior
Producer
Total
Co.b
tons
mine
truck
ship
ments
which
delivered to
Ohio
Edison
Co. 1
To
ronto
Ohio
8,086 40
Hitchman Coal & Coke Co.
Clean Coal Company
557
Boggs Run Mining C
City Coal Co
Reyman Coal Co
Woodsdale Fuel
Short Creek Coal Co
$1.90
$1.45
1.90
1.45
1.90
1.45
1.90
1.45
1.90
1.45
1.90
1.45
.90
1.45
Liberty Coal Co
Reliable Coal Co
Perry Coal Co
Total
294
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5558; Filed, July S1. 1941;
10:05 a. m.)
[Docket No. 1666-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF W. H. WARNER & COMPANY. INC., REGISTERED DISTRIBUTOR,
REGISTRATION No. 9432, RESPONDENT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
1. The Bituminous Coal Division finds
It necessary. in the proper administration of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937
(the "Act"), to determine
(a) whether or not W. H. Warner &
Company. Inc., Registered Distributor,
whose address is 570 Union Commerce
Building. Cleveland, Ohio, located in Dis-
trict No. 4. has violated any provisions
of the Act, the Marketing Rules and
Regulations, the Rules and Regulations
for Registration of Distributors, and the
Distributor's Agreement (the "Agreement"), executed July 20, 1939, by re-
19.40
.90
The respondent, in making the sales
Agreement.
It is therefore ordered, That a hearing
pursuant to I 304.14 of the Rules and
Regulations for the Registration of Distributors, to determine whether the registration of said distributor should be
revoked or suspended, or other appropri-
ate penalties be imposed, be held on
September 11, 1941, at 10 a. m. at a hearing room of the Bituminous Coal Division
at the New Post Office Building. Room
4083, Cleveland, Ohio.
(b) whether or not the registration
should be imposed:
and for said purposes gives notice that
information in the possession of the
Division is to the effect that:
2. During the months of October, No.
vember and December, 1940, the respondent purchased large quantities of
% slack coal from Costanzo Coal Mining Company. Registered Distributor, at
prices below the effective minimum prices
consented to the entry of an appropriate
order on the basis of the facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
orders entered therein may concern, in
addition to the matters specifically al.
leged herein, other matters incidental
and related thereto, whether raised by
amendment, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
DAN H. WHEELER
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5559; Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:05 m.
[Docket No. 1736-FD
IN THE MATTER OF NORRIS COAL COMPANY.
A PARTNERSHIP, DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 1, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
(f) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, having been duly filed on
May 7. 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District 10, a District
Board, complainant, with the Bituminous
Coal Division alleging willful violation
by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal
Code or rules and regulations thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in re-
Director thereof for that purpose shall
preside at the hearing in such matter.
The officer so designated to preside at
Bituminous Coal Division Circuit Court
Room, County Court House, Marion,
such hearing is hereby authorized to con-
and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their attendance,
of said distributor should be revoked or
suspended or other appropriate penalties
admitted the alleged charges and to have
spect to the subject matter of such complaint be held on September 5, 1941, at
dated March 24,1939. in General Docket
1939.
otherwise Director within order, the such shall presiding period, be deemed officer unless to file shall have the an
It is further ordered, That W. A. Cuff or
any other officer or officers of the Bituminous Coal Division designated by the
duct said hearing, to administer oaths
No. 12. which was adopted as an Order
of the Bituminous Coal Division, July 1,
answer
hereinabove described, violated section 4
II (e) of the Act, the Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices, for District No. 6,
for Truck Shipment, paragraph (6) of
the Price Instructions of said Schedule,
and paragraphs (b), (c) and (e) of the
spondent, pursuant to Order of the Na-
tional Bituminous Coal Commission
that any respondent failing to
10
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
ser. fee thereof on the respondent: and
or
mine established for such coal is $2.40 per
net ton. as contained in the Schedule of
Effective Minimum Prices for District No.
13 for Truck Shipments, plus an amount
at least equal, as nearly as practicable,
to the actual transportation, handling or
incidental charges of whatsoever kind or
character (exclusive of customary costs
of mine operations) from the transportation facilities at said mine to the point
within twenty (20) days after date of
Price at
District No. 13. at a price of $2.05 per ton
delivered to Cardiff. Alabama, whereas
ties herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the charges alleged herein must be filed
with the Bituminous Coal Division at th
Washington Office or with any one of
the statistical bureaus of the Division,
take evidence, require the production of
any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or other records deemed relevant
or material to the inquiry. to continue
said hearing from time to time and to
such places as he may direct by announcement at said hearing or any adjourned hearing or by subsequent notice,
and to prepare and submit to the Director proposed Findings of Fact and Conclusions and the recommendation of an
appropriate order in the premises, and
to perform all other duties in connection
therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said respondent, and to all other par-
10 a. m., at a hearing room of the
Illinois.
It is further ordered, That Charles 8
Mitchell or any other officer or officers
of Coal Division desig-
nated the
at the
in
purpose the byshall
Bituminouspreside
Director thereof hearing
for that
such matter. The officer so designated
to preside at such hearing is hereby
authorized to conduct said hearing, to
administer oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses,
compel their attendance, take evidence,
the
require papers, correspondence, production memorands of any or books, mate- or
deemed relevant
the to continue
time to time, and to
as he may direct by announcement or
rial other ing from to records inquiry. such said places hear- at
said hearing or any adjourned hearing and
by subsequent notice, and to prepare
submit to the Director proposed findings
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
of fact and conclusions and the recomof an
and to
(Docket No. 1738-FD)
In THE MATTER OF CARTERVILLE COAL CoxPANY, PARTNERSHIP, DEFENDANT
the mendation premises, appropriate perform authorized all order other in
duties in connection therewith
by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties
herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
Any person or entity eligible under
$301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Before
the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections
II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, may file a petition for intervention not later than five (5) days before
the date herein set for hearing on the
complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the
Bituminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis-
tical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order.
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and to
have consented to the entry of an appro-
priate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
orders entered therein may concern, in
addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said complainant, alleging willful violation by the
above-named defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
thereunder as follows:
That defendant violated the Effective
Minimum Prices by selling and delivering
to Ray Minter, on or about February 18,
1941, approximately 6 tons of mine run
coal produced at defendant's mine at the
price of $1.50 per ton f. o. b. the mine,
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated April 24, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections II (j)
and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of
1937, having been duly filed on April 26,
1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers
Board for District 10. a District Board.
complainant, with the Bituminous Coal
Division alleging willful violation by the
defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code
or rules and regulations thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint be
held on September 5. 1941, at 10 a. m. at
per ton f. O. b. the mine, whereas the
effective minimum price for such coal was
and is $1.80 per ton f. O. b. the mine.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
DAY H. WHEELER
Acting Director.
(P. R Doe. 41-8860 Filed. July 31, 1941;
4 5 of
ings Instituted Pursuant to sections
may file a
Coal intervention II Act (j) of and 1937, (b) the petition Bituminous for
not later than five (5) days
before the date herein set for hearing on
the complaint
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statistical bureaus of the Division. within twen-
ty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant: and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within such period, unless the Director or the
Division at the Circuit Court Room,
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the
County Court House, Marion. Illinois.
facts alleged.
a hearing room of the Bituminous Coal
It is further ordered, That Charles S.
Mitchell or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing, to administer oaths
and affirmations. examine witnesses,
subpoena witnesses, compel their attendance, take evidence, require the production of any books papers, correspondence,
memoranda or other records deemed rele-
vant or material to the inquiry, to continue said hearing from time to time, and
to such places as he may direct by announcement at said hearing or any adjourned hearing or by subsequent notice,
and to prepare and submit to the Director
proposed findings of fact and conclusions
and the recommendation of an appropriate order in the premises, and to perform all other duties in connection therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties
herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
Any person or entity eligible under
301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Before
the Bituminous Coal Division in ProceedPurchaser
Date
and by selling and delivering approxi-
mately 1.2 tons of such coal on or about
February 20, 1941, at the price of $1.53
3841
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled mat.
ter and orders entered therein may concern, in addition to the matters specifically alleged in the complaint herein,
other matters incidental and related
thereto, whether raised by amendment
of the complaint, petition for intervention, or otherwise, and all persons are
cautioned to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the BItuminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows:
The defendant violated the effective
minimum prices during the period subsequent to September 30, 1940, by selling
to various purchasers in Carterville, IIIInois, 3' Lump coal produced at the mine
of the defendant at the price of $2.00
per ton f. O. b. the mine, and by selling
2' x 1/2" coal produced at said mine at
the price of $1.65 per ton f. O. b. the mine,
whereas the effective minimum prices
for such coal were and are $2.15 per ton
f. O. b. the mine for 3" Lump coal and
$1.80 per ton f. O. b. the mine for 2" x
" coal. The sales so made in viola.
tion of the effective minimum prices are
as follows:
Amount
Sise
Price
Pounds
Oct. 6,1940
Nov. 1,1940
Nov.
12,725
2,000
McNem
2,000
L.1940
Jan.
2.1941
Jan
20,1941
J3n.
21,1941
Groves
4,000
Yates
4,000
Carterville Feed and Milling Co
2,000
$12.72
Lump
x 716
1.65
716
Lump
Lump
1.65
4.00
4.00
x716
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
1.65
DAN H. WHEELER
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5561; Filed, July $1, 1941; 10:06 a. m.)
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3842
[Docket No. 1671-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF FOREST CITY COAL
COMPANY. REGISTERED DISTRIBUTOR.
REGISTRATION No. 3092. RESPONDENT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
1. The Bituminous Coal Division finds
It necessary. in the proper administration of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937
(the "Act"), to determine
(a) whether or not the Forest City
Coal Company, Registered Distributor,
Registration No. 3092, whose address is
Rockefeller Building, Cleveland, Ohio,
the respondent in the above-entitled
matter, has violated any provisions of
the Act, Marketing Rules and Regulations, the Rules and Regulations for
Registration of Distributors and the Distributor's Agreement (the "Agreement")
executed April 25, 1939, by respondent,
pursuant to Order of the National Bituminous Coal Commission, dated March
1939. in General Docket No. 12. which
was adopted as an Order of the Division
July 1939: and
(b) whether or not the registration
of said distributor should be revoked or
suspended or other appropriate penalties should be imposed:
and for said purposes gives notice that
information in the possession of the
Division is to the effect that:
2. On or about February 11, 1941,
respondent purchased 54.20 tons of
11/4" x 5" egg industrial coal from Industrial Coal & Iron Company, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Mine No. 7-Apex,
Code member. District No. 4. and resold
and delivered said coal to United Milk
Products Company of Cleveland, Ohio,
at its Kent, Ohio, plant. The respondent prepaid transportation charges on
said coal to said point of delivery, of
$73.71, and accepted discounts from the
effective minimum prices for such coal,
in violation of section 4 II (h) and subsections 3 and 6 of section II (1) of the
Act, Rule 1 (J) of section VII of the
Marketing Rules and Regulations and
paragraphs (c) and (e) of the Agree-
ment.
3. Between March 4 and March 20,
1941. both dates inclusive, respondent
purchased 6 carloads of coal from In-
dustrial Coal & Iron Company, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and other Code
members in District No. 4. and resold
and delivered said coal to United Milk
of
plant. The
said point of delivery. and
accepted discounts from the effective
minimum prices for such coal in viola4 II (h)
4 II (1)
of section
VIIof of subsections the the Act,
Rule 3 tion and of 1 6 section
(J) of section and
registration of said distributor should
be revoked or suspended, or other ap-
1937, having been duly filed on May 15,
propriate penalties be imposed, be held
on September 12, 1941 at 10 a. m. at
a hearing room of the Bituminous Coal
Division at the New Post Office Building,
Board, complainant, with the Bituminous
Coal Division alleging willful violation by
Room 4083, Cleveland, Ohio.
Code or rules and regulations thereunder:
or officer or the
Bituminous Division by
ordered,
It any is further other Coal That officers designated W. A. of Cuff
the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such
matter. The officer so designated to
preside at such hearing is hereby authorized to conduct said hearings, to
administer oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses,
compel their attendance, take evidence,
require the production of any books,
papers, correspondence, memoranda or
other records deemed relevant or mate-
rial to the inquiry. to continue said
hearing from time to time, and to such
places as he may direct by announcement at said hearing or any adjourned
hearing or by subsequent notice, and to
prepare and submit to the Director
proposed findings of fact and conclusions and the recommendation of an
appropriate order in the premises, and
to perform all other duties in connec-
tion therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby
given to said respondent, and to all
other parties herein and to all persons
and entities having an interest in such
proceeding
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the charges alleged herein must be filed
with the Bituminous Coal Division at
its Washington Office or with any one
of the statistical bureaus of the Division.
within twenty (20) days after date of
service thereof on the respondent; and
that any respondent failing to file an
answer within such period, unless the
Director or the presiding officer shall
otherwise order, shall be deemed to have
admitted the alleged charges and to have
consented to the entry of an appropriate
order on the basis of the facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged herein, other matters incidental
and related thereto, whether raised by
amendment, petition for intervention.
or otherwise, and all persons are cautioned to be guided accordingly.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
such ent Products at its prepaid coal Kent, Company to Ohio, transportation Cleveland, charges respond- Ohio, on
and
(e) of the
graphs keting Rules (c) and Regulations Agreement. of para- MarIt is therefore ordered,
to 304.14
of
ing pursuant That
the a Rules
hearand Regulations for the Registration of
Distributors, to determine whether the
(P. R. Doc. 41-5562: Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:06 m.)
[Docket No. 1750-FD)
IN THE MATTER OF MORRIS & CAMPBELL, A
PARTNERSHIP, CODE MEMBER. DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II (j)
and (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of
1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers
Board for District No. 11, a District
the defendant of the Bituminous Coal
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on September 24,1941 at 10 a.m.
at a hearing room of the Bituminous Coal
Division, the Post Office Building, Terre
Haute, Indiana.
It is further ordered, That W. A. Ship.
man or any other officer or officers of the
Bituminous Coal Division designated by
the Director thereof for that purpose shall
preside at the hearing in such matter.
The officer so designated to preside at
such hearing is hereby authorized to conduct said hearing, to administer oaths
and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their attendance.
take evidence, require the production of
any books, papers, correspondence, mem.
oranda or other records deemed relevant
or material to the inquiry. to continue
said hearing from time to time, and to
such places as he may direct by announcement at said hearing or any ad.
journed hearing or by subsequent notice
and to prepare and submit to the Director
proposed findings of fact and conclusions
and the recommendation of an appropriate order in the premises, and to perform all other duties in connection therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties
herein and to all persons and entities hav-
ing an interest in such proceeding. Any
person or entity eligible under I 301.123
of the Rules and Regulations Governing
Practice and Procedure Before the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections 4 II (j) and
5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937.
may file a petition for intervention not
later than five (5) days before the date
herein set for hearing on the complaint
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis-
tical bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an appropriate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
therein may concern, in
addition matters
in the herein,
and related
leged orders entered to complaint the specifically other thereta mat- al-
amendment
for
whether complaint, ters incidental raised petition by intervention, of the or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the Bltuminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: That subsequent to October 1, 1940, the defendants violated the effective minimum
prices by selling to various purchasers
including W. H. Dean, Sullivan Cheese
Factory. Jesse Clark, and G. Weaver, un-
known quantities of lump coal produced
at the defendants' Rock Hollow Mine,
Mine Index No. 641, located in Sullivan
County. Indiana. at the price of $1.80 per
ton: and by selling on January 30, 1941,
to Jim Unstead, Hymera, Indiana, at the
price of $1.80 per ton b. the mine,
2,100 pounds of lump coal produced at
defendants' said mine and hauled to the
place of delivery by one James Smallwood, whereas the effective minimum
prices for all sizes of lump coal produced
at the defendants' said mine are in excess
of $1.80 per ton.
Dated July 28, 1941.
by law.
Acting Director.
(F. R Doc. 41-5563; Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:06 m.)
[Docket No. 1758-FD)
IN THE MATTER OF McCANNON BROS. COAL
COMPANY A PARTNERSHIP, DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, having been duly filed on
May 15. 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 11, a Dis-
trict Board, complainant, with the
Bituminous Coal Division alleging willful
violation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
be held on September 24, 1941, at 10 a. m.,
at a hearing room of the Bituminous
Coal Division at the Post Office Building,
Terre Haute, Indiana.
It is further ordered, That W. A. Shipman or any other officer or officers of the
Bituminous Coal
at the matthereof for
shall ter. the Director The preside Division hearing designated that in such purpose by
officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing, to administer
oaths and affirmations, examine wit-
nesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their
attendance, take evidence, the
of
Board for District
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entitles having an interest in such proceeding. Any person or entity eligible
under 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations Governing Practice and Procedure
Before the Bituminous Coal Division in
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec-
tions (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous
Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for
intervention not later than five (5) days
before the date herein set for hearing on
the complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statistical bureaus of the Division, within twenty
(20) days after date of service thereof on
the defendant: and that any defendant
period, unless the Director or the presiding officer shall otherwise order, shall
be deemed to have admitted the allegations of the complaint herein and to have
consented to the entry of an appropriate
order on the basis of the facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
orders entered therein may concern, in
addition to the matters specifically alleged in the complaint herein, other mat-
ters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention. or
by
notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings of fact and conclusions and the
minous Coal Division at the Commissioners' Court Room, County Court
House, Evansville, Indiana
It is further ordered, That Charles 8.
Mitchell or any other officer or officers
of the Bituminous Coal Division designated by the Director thereof for that
purpose shall preside at the hearing in
such matter. The officer so designated
to preside at such hearing is hereby
authorized to conduct said hearing. to
administer oaths and affirmations examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, com-
pel their attendance, take evidence, require the production of any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or
other records deemed relevant or material to the inquiry. to continue said hearing from time to time, and to such places
as he may direct by announcement at
said hearing or any adjourned hearing
or by subsequent notice, and to prepare
and submit to the Director proposed findings of fact and conclusions and the recommendation of an appropriate order in
the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith author-
regard to the complaint filed by said
herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
Any person or entity eligible under
The matter concerned herewith is in
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the Bltuminous Coal Code or rules and regula-
tions thereunder as follows: That the
defendant during the period from March
1, 1941 to March 25. 1941, violated the
effective minimum prices by selling an
unknown quantity of mine run coal and
11/4" lump coal produced at the defendant's McCannon Mine, Mine Index No.
1155, located in Sullivan County, Indiana, at the price of $1.50 per ton, f. O. b.
the mine, whereas the effective minimum
prices for such coal were and are $1.80
per ton. f. O. b. the mine for mine run,
and $2.20 per ton, f. o. b. the mine for
1 1/4 lump.
Dated July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5564: Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:06 a. m.)
(Docket No. 1761-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF ALLEN PAYTON,
DEFENDANT
or any
may subsequent hearing direct adjourned announcement hearing at or said by
It is ordered, That a hearing in re-
spect to the subject matter of such complaint be held on September 3, 1941, at
10 a. m., at a hearing room of the Bitu-
ized by law.
relevant or
and to such
trict tuminous Board, Coal complainant, Division alleging No. with 11, the a willful Dis- Bl-
violation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder;
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
spondence. production deemed any books, or papers, other require records corre-
quiry, time to to time, material said hearing places to the as from in- he
been
by
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
memoranda
continue
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
May Act ducers of 15. 1937, 1941, having Bituminous duly Coal filed Pro- on
failing to file an answer within such
DAN H. WHEELER
(SEAL)
recommendation of an appropriate order
in the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith authorized
8843
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties
301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Be-
fore the Bituminous Coal Division in
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec-
tions 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937, may file a
petition for intervention not later than
five (5) days before the date herein set
for hearing on the complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the BItuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statisti-
cal bureaus of the Division. within
twenty (20 days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the
facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3844
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows: That during
the period, January 28, 1941, to February
17, 1941, defendant sold and delivered
to various purchasers, coal produced by
him at his Payton Mine, Mine Index No.
921, located in Warrick County. Indiana,
in District No. 11, at prices below the
effective minimum prices established for
such coal. as contained in the Schedule
of Effective Minimum Prices for District
No. 11 for Truck Shipments, as follows:
Effec-
Amount
Rise
to toos
Sise
Belling
tive
Mini-
group
price
mum
price
$2.20
lump
268.00
$2.30
1.85
1.70
192.18
875
screenings
Mine run
Mine run
2
7
22.76
1.40
14
36.60
1.75
1.80
1,625
1.80
ments; and
Prices
for District No. for Truck Ship-
time to time, and to such places as he
That defendant violated the Order
the Acting Director, No. 296, dated
tember 23, 1940 and the Orders of
Director, No. 297, dated October
deemed relevant or material to the inquiry, to continue said hearing from
may direct by announcement at said
hearing or any adjourned hearing or by
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings
of fact and conclusions and the recommendation of an appropriate order in the
premises, and to perform all other duties
in connection therewith authorized by
and No. 307 dated December 1940
by failing to maintain and file
records
were28,
and
are required thereby.
DatedasJuly
1941.
(SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(P. R Doc. 41-5565: Filed. July 31, 1941;
10:07 a. m.]
[Docket No. 1750-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF HARVEY W. WRALEY,
law.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5566
July 31, 1941;
10:07Filed,
:
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding
Any person or entity eligible under
I 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Before the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections
4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous
Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for
intervention not later than five (5) days
before the date herein set for hearing
on the complaint
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis-
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 13, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections II (j)
and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of
1937, having been duly filed on May 28,
1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers
Board for District No. 11, a District
Board, complainant, with the Bitumi-
nous Coal Division alleging willful violation by the defendant of the Bituminous
Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in re-
spect to the subject matter of such complaint be held on September 29, 1941,
at 10 a. m., at a hearing room of the
Bituminous Coal Division at the County
Court House, Shoals, Indiana
It is further ordered, That W. A. Shipman or any other officer or officers of the
Bituminous Coal Division designated by
is to
the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to
to
and affirmations, examine wit-
oaths conduct at such hearing said hearing. hereby authorized administer preside
nesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their
attendance, take evidence, require the
(Docket No. 1751-FD|
IN THE MATTER OF MELVIN FOSTER,
DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 13, 1941, pur-
suant to the provisions of sections
(j) and (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act
of 1937, having been duly filed on May
28, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers
Board for District No. 11, a District
Board, complainant, with the Bituminous
Coal Division alleging willful violation by
the defendant of the Bituminous Coal
Code or rules and regulations thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect
to the subject matter of such complaint
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
be held on September 29, 1941, at 10 a.m.
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period, unless the Director or the
Division at the County Court House
at a hearing room of the Bituminous Coal
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an appropriate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
DEFENDANT
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
tical bureaus of the Division within
Dated July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
production of any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or other records
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation
by the above-named defendant of the
Bituminous Coal Code or rules and reg-
ulations thereunder as follows: That
since October 1, 1940, defendant sold to
various purchasers, including Roy Purk-
hiser, an undetermined amount of
1 1/2' x 0 and 11/4" x 0 screenings coal,
Size Group No. 14, produced at his
Wraley Mine, Mine Index No. 435, lo-
and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their attendance,
take evidence, require the production of
any books, papers, correspondence,
memoranda or other records deemed rele-
vant or material to the inquiry, to continue said hearing from time to time,
and to such places as he may direct by
announcement at said hearing or any
adjourned hearing or by subsequent no-
tice, and to prepare and submit to the
Director proposed findings of fact and
conclusions and the recommendation of
an appropriate order in the premises, and
to perform all other duties in connection
therewith authorized by law.
of such hearing is hereby given
and to all
to all persons
herein to Notice said defendant and other and proceeding entities parties
at a per
in
cated District in No. Martin 11, County. price Indiana, of 60c
ton, f. O. b. the mine, whereas the effective minimum price established for such
11/2" x and 1 1/4" x screenings coal,
Size Group No. 14, was and is $1.55 per
Shoals, Indiana
It is further ordered, That W. A. Shipman or any other officer or officers of the
Bituminous Coal Division designated by
the Director thereof for that purpose shall
preside at the hearing in such matter.
The officer so designated to preside at
such hearing is hereby authorized to conduct said hearing. to administer oaths
net ton. f. O. b. the mine, as contained
in the Schedule of Effective Minimum
having an interest in such
or entity
the Rules and
Any $301.123 personPractice
of Procedureand
eligible Regulations Before under
Coal Division
Instituted Pursuant to
ings Governing the Bituminous sections in Proceed- Coal 4 II
5 of the Bituminous
Act of file a
(j) and 1937, (b) may petition for days inter- be
vention not later than five (5)
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
fore the date herein set for hearing on
the complaint
Notice is hereby given, that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington
office or with any one of the statistical
bureaus of the Division, within twenty
(20) days after date of service thereof on
the defendant; and that any defendant
failing to file an answer within such
period, unless the Director or the presiding officer shall otherwise order, shall be
deemed to have admitted the allegations
of the complaint herein and to have
consented to the entry of an appropriate
order on the basis of the facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically
alleged in the complaint herein, other
matters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said
complainant, alleging willful violation by
the above-named defendant of the BItuminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder as follows:
That since October 1, 1940, defendant
has sold to various purchasers, including
Cecil Elliot and Alva Curtis, an undetermined amount of coal of unknown size,
produced at his Foster Mine, Mine Index
No. 509. located in Perry County, Indiana,
in District No. 11, at a price of 40e per
ton, O. b. the mine, whereas the effective minimum prices established for the
coal produced by the Foster Mine range
from $2.50 per net ton, f. O. b. the mine
for Size Group No. 1. to 55d per net ton,
f. O. b. the mine, for Size Group No. 16,
as contained in the Schedule of Effective
Minimum Prices for District No. 11 for
Truck Shipments: and
That defendant violated the Order of
the Acting Director, No. 296, dated September 23, 1940, and the Orders of the
Director, No. 297, dated October 1940,
and No. 307, dated December 11, 1940,
by failing to maintain and file such records as were and are required thereby.
Dated July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5567: Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:07 m.)
[Docket No. 1757-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF KIEFFNER COAL COMPANY, A PARTNERSHIP. DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
minous Coal Division alleging willful vio-
lation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in re-
spect to the subject matter of such complaint be held on September 26, 1941, at
10 a. m., at a hearing room of the Bltuminous Coal Division at the County
Court House, Shoals, Indiana
It is further ordered, That W. A. Ship-
plainant, alleging willful violation by the
or rules and
nous above-named Coal Code defendant of the regulations Bitumi-
thereunder as follows:
purchasers,
sold That to various since October 1940, including defendant Alva
Curtis, an undetermined
x coal,
Size
at its Kleffner
Index 15, % produced 0 screenings amount
Group Mine No. of
inMine,
Dubois
No. 11, which
man or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing. to administer
oaths and affirmations, examine wit-
nesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their
attendance, take evidence, require the
production of any books, papers, correspondence, memoranda or other records
deemed relevant or material to the in-
quiry. to continue said hearing from
time to time, and to such places as he
may direct by announcement at said
hearing or any adjourned hearing or by
subsequent notice, and to prepare and
submit to the Director proposed findings
of fact and conclusions and the recommendation of an appropriate order in
the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith authorized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entitles having an interest in such proceeding. Any person or entity eligible under
$301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
Governing Practice and Procedure Be-
fore the Bituminous Coal Division in
Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec-
tions II (j) and (b) of the Bituminous
Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for
intervention not later than five (5) days
before the date herein set for hearing on
the complaint.
Notice is hereby given that answer to
the complaint must be filed with the Bltuminous Coal Division at its Washington office or with any one of the statis-
tical bureaus of the Division. within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period. unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order,
shall be deemed to have admitted the
allegations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an appropriate order on the basis of the facts
alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that the
hearing in the above-entitled matter and
orders entered therein may concern, in
addition to the matters specifically al-
X 1/2"
contained Indiana, No. in 11/4" 312, District located over-sise coal, actually County, Size
Group No. 10. at a price of 85g per ton,
f. O. b. the mine, whereas the effective
minimum price established for such coal
was and is $1.70 per net ton, f. O. b. the
mine, as contained in the Schedule of
Effective Minimum Prices for District No.
11 for Truck Shipments: and
That subsequent to September 30, 1940,
defendant violated paragraph 8 of sec-
tion 4 II (1) of the Act, and Rule 8 of
section XIII of the Marketing Rules and
Regulations by invoicing and selling the
aforesaid coal as %" x screenings coal.
Dated: July 28, 1941
DAN H. WHEELER,
[SEAL]
Acting Director.
(P. R. Doc. 41-5568 Filed. July 31, 1941:
10:07 m.)
Docket No. 1754-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF CHESTER TEDROW.
DEFENDANT
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
A complaint dated May 13, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937, having been duly filed on
May 28, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 11, a District Board, complainant, with the Bitu-
minous Coal Division alleging willful
violation by the defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder;
It is ordered, That a hearing in respect to the subject matter of such complaint be held on September 29, 1941. at
10 a. m., at a hearing room of the Bltuminous Coal Division, the County
Court House, Shoals, Indiana
It is further ordered, That W. A. Ship-
man or any other officer or officers of
the Bituminous Coal Division designated
by the Director thereof for that purpose
shall preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside
at such hearing is hereby authorized to
conduct said hearing. to administer oaths
and affirmations, examine witnesses,
subpoena witnesses, compel their attend-
ance, take evidence, require the production of any books, papers, correspond-
leged in the complaint herein, other mat-
ence, memoranda or other records
deemed relevant or material to the in-
whether raised by amendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention. or
quiry. to continue said hearing from time
to such places as he may
announcement at
hearing or
or to direct time, any by adjourned and said and by hearing submit subsequent notice, and to prepare
to the Director proposed findings of fact
A complaint dated May 14, 1941, pursuant to the provisions of sections 4 II
ters incidental and related thereto,
Act of 1937, having been duly filed on
May 28, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 11, a District Board, complainant, with the Bitu-
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said com-
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
3845
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3846
[Docket No. A-893
and conclusions and the recommenda-
tion of an appropriate order in the
premises, and to perform all other duties
in connection therewith authorized by
law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to said defendant and to all other parties herein and to all persons and entities
having an interest in such proceeding.
Any person or entity eligible under
PETITION OF THE BITUMINOUS COAL CONSUMERS' COUNSEL FOR A CHANGE IN THE
BOUNDARY LINES OF MARKET AREAS 26
AND 30, AND AMENDMENT OF PRICE ExCEPTION 4 ON PAGE 40 OF THE SCHEDULE
OF EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DIS-
TRICT No. 8 FOR ALL SHIPMENTS ExCEPT TRUCK. OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE
FOR F. S. PRICES FROM DISTRICT No.
301.123 of the Rules and Regulations
8 FOR THE KIEFFER PAPER MILLS,
Governing Practice and Procedure Before
the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceed-
BROWNSTOWN, INDIANA, IN MARKET
ings Instituted Pursuant to sections 4
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal
AREA 30
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING
Act of 1937, may file a petition for intervention not later than five (5) days before the date herein set for hearing on
the complaint.
A petition, pursuant to the Bituminous
Coal Act of 1937, having been duly filed
Notice is hereby given that answer
to the complaint must be filed with the
It is ordered, That a hearing in the
above-entitled matter under the appli-
Bituminous Coal Division at its Washing-
ton office or with any one of the statisti-
cal bureaus of the Division, within
twenty (20) days after date of service
thereof on the defendant; and that any
defendant failing to file an answer within
such period. unless the Director or the
presiding officer shall otherwise order.
shall be deemed to have admitted the al-
legations of the complaint herein and
to have consented to the entry of an
appropriate order on the basis of the
facts alleged.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and orders entered therein may concern,
in addition to the matters specifically alleged in the complaint herein, other mat-
ters incidental and related thereto,
whether raised by admendment of the
complaint, petition for intervention, or
otherwise, and all persons are cautioned
to be guided accordingly.
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the complaint filed by said com-
plainant, alleging willful violation by the
above-named defendant of the Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regulations
thereunder as follows: That during the
months of January, 1941 and February,
1941, defendant sold and delivered to
various purchasers, including H. Purkhiser, approximately 36 tons of 1 1/2" x1"
nut coal at a price of $1.65 per ton f. O. b.
the mine, and approximately 50 tons of
1" screenings coal, at a price of 60c
per ton b. the mine, produced at his
Chester Tedrow Mine, Mine Index No.
433, located in Martin County, Indiana,
in District No. 11. whereas the effective
minimum prices established for such coal
were and are $1.85 per net ton O. b. the
mine, for the 1 1/2' nut coal and
$1.55 ner net ton f. O. b. the mine for the
0 screenings coal, as contained in the
Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for
District No. 11 for truck shipments.
Dated July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5569: Filed. July 31, 1941;
10:07 a.m.
with this Division by the above-named
party:
cable provisions of said Act and the rules
of the Division be held on August 25,
1941, at 10 o'clock in the forenoon of
that day. at a hearing room of the BItuminous Coal Division, 734 Fifteenth
Street NW., Washington, D. On such
day the Chief of the Records Section in
room 502 will advise as to the room
where such hearing will be held.
It is further ordered, That Charles O.
Fowler or any other officer or officers
of the Division duly designated for that
purpose shall preside at the hearing in
such matter. The officers so designated
to preside at such hearing are hereby
authorized to conduct said hearing, to
administer oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, subpoena witnesses,
compel their attendance, take evidence,
require the production of any books,
papers, correspondence, memoranda, or
other records deemed relevant or mate-
rial to the inquiry, to continue said
hearing from time to time, and to prepare and submit to the Director proposed
findings of fact and conclusions and the
recommendation of an appropriate order
in the premises, and to perform all other
duties in connection therewith author-
ized by law.
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
to all parties herein and to persons or
entities having an interest in these proceedings and eligible to become a party
herein. Any person desiring to be admitted as a party to this proceeding may
file a petition of intervention in accordance with the rules and regulations of
the Bituminous Coal Division for proceedings instituted pursuant to section
II (d) of the Act, setting forth the facts
on the basis of which the relief in the
original petition is supported or opposed
or on the basis of which other relief is
sought. Such petitions of intervention
shall be filed with the Bituminous Coal
Division on or before August 19, 1941.
All persons are hereby notified that
the hearing in the above-entitled matter
and any orders entered therein, may con-
cern, in addition to the matters specifically alleged in the petition, other mat-
ters necessarily incidental and related
thereto, which may be raised by amend.
ment to the petition. petitions of inter.
veners or otherwise,
or which be
to the
on of this
necessary granted The matter corollaries the basis relief, petition. may If any,
concerned herewith is
regard to the petition of the Bituminous
Coal Consumers' Counsel for an order
extending of
No. along the
way Brownstown
26 to westward include the boundary Market Rail. Area
or, in the
of for
extending lonia, Indiana, said boundary alternative, to and include Val.
Brownstown, Indiana; and that
on page 40 of the
Exception Effective 8 for 4 Minimum Prices Schedule District Price
No.
All Shipments Except Truck
be amended to apply to shipments to
Brownstown, Indiana. In the alterna.
tive, the petition prays that the present
Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices
for District No. 8 for All Shipments Ex.
cept Truck be modified to permit code
members in District No. 8 to sell to the
Kieffer Paper Mills, Brownstown, Indiana, in Market Area 30, at the minimum
prices established for f. a. S. delivery.
Dated July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER.
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5570; Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:08 m.]
[General Docket No. 12]
IN THE MATTER OF PRESCRIBING DUE AND
REASONABLE MAXIMUM DISCOUNTS OR
PRICE ALLOWANCES BY CODE MEMBERS
TO "DISTRIBUTORS" UNDER SECTION 4
PART II (h) OF THE BITUMINOUS COAL
ACT OF 1937, AND ESTABLISHING RULES
AND REGULATIONS FOR THE MAINTENANCE
AND OBSERVANCE BY DISTRIBUTORS IN
THE RESALE OF COAL. OF THE PRICES
AND MARKETING RULES AND REGULATIONS PROVIDED BY SECTION 4 OF THE
ACT; AND IN RE PETITION OF BITUMINOUS
COAL PRODUCERS BOARD FOR DISTRICT
No. 10, FOR ORDER MODIFYING SCHEDULE
OF MAXIMUM DISCOUNTS THAT MAY BE
ALLOWED TO REGISTERED DISTRIBUTORS
ON COAL OF DISTRICT No. 10 MINES
RESOLD TO THE WABASH RAILWAY
COMPANY
ORDER OF POSTPONEMENT OF HEARING
The American Coal Distributors Assoclation, on July 26, 1941, having moved
that the hearing in the above-entitled
matter, set for August 4. 1941, be postponed to a date not earlier than August
26, 1941, representing that its partici-
pation in the proceedings in General
Docket No. 21 precludes It "from fairly
and properly devoting adequate time
now in the preparation of its case in
the above-entitled matter, and that the
Petitioner herein, District Board No. 10.
concurs in the said Motion for a postponement, and
It appearing that the Movant, as well
as other parties having an interest in
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
the subject matter of this hearing. are
engaged in the proceedings in General
Docket No. 21, and good cause having
been shown,
It is ordered, That the hearing in the
above-entitled matter, originally set for
4. 1941, at 10:00 a. m. in a hear-
of fact and conclusions and the recom-
duties in connection therewith author-
at the Swanton No. 1
ized by law.
837)
the Swanton
duced Index
No.ofmine
Big (MineVein
pro-
and to or
an interest in this
Notice of such hearing is hereby given
Coal Company.
persons are hereby the
hearing Allthe
in above-entitled
notified matter that and
to become
and same
any orders therein may
to entities ceeding all parties having and eligible herein persons parties pro-
D. ing August C., room be the Division is in hereby Washington, post-
poned to August 26, 1941, at the same
place and hour.
Dated July 30. 1941.
H. A. GRAY,
(SEAL)
of price classifications and minimum
shipments
prices for truck
for allofexcept
truck
shipments
coals to
be and
an
and to
mendation the premises, of appropriate perform all order other in
of the
Director.
herein. Any person desiring to be ad-
matters
other matters
and related
mitted as a party to this proceeding may
file a petition of intervention in accordance with the rules and regulations of
dition in incidental the petition. to the specifically concern, necessarily alleged in ad-
by amendment of
petitions
of
inal may petition, be raised thereto, interveners, the which orig- or
the Bituminous Coal Division for proceedings instituted pursuant to section
otherwise, or which may be necessary
corollaries to the relief, If any, granted
4 II (d) of the Act, setting forth the
facts on the basis of which the relief
(P. R. Doc. 41-5571;
Filed. July 31, 1941;
10:08 a. m.)
[Docket No. A-964
PETITION OF SWANTON BIG VEIN COAL COMPANY, A CODE MEMBER IN DISTRICT No. 1
gust 25, 1941.
FICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES FOR
The matter concerned herewith is in
regard to the petition of the Swanton
COALS OF THE SWANTON No. 1 MINE
(MINE INDEX No. 837) OF THE SWANTON
on the basis of said original
ordered, a
in the original petition is supported or
opposed or on the basis of which other
relief is sought. Such petitions of intervention shall be filed with the Bituminous Coal Division on or before Au-
FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE CLASSI-
of the
made, final
able It is showing further been necessity That, petition. therefor reason-
petition in the
relief is as
Commencing forthwith, the
having follows: tion matter, of the temporary pending above-entitled granted disposi-
Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for
District No. 1 for All Shipments Except
Big Vein Coal Company, a code member
Truck, is temporarily amended by adding
thereto the following:
in District No. 1, for the establishment
BIG VEIN COAL COMPANY
3847
NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING AND ORDER
origin
group
No.
No.
1
Seam
2
No.
Big Vein.
104
D
44
D
D
D
Swanton #1
Swanton Big Vein Coal Company, c/o R. c. Clark
837
D
prices for coals to be produced at the
dist.
$
the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937, having
been duly filed with this Division by the
above-named party requesting the establishment of both temporary and permanent price classifications and minimum
Mine name
Code member
index
4
An original petition and amendment
thereto, pursuant to section 4 II (d) of
Freight
Sub-
Mine
&
GRANTING TEMPORARY RELIEF
Commencing forthwith, the Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for District No. 1
for Truck Shipments is temporarily amended by adding thereto the following:
Swanton No. 1 mine (Mine Index No. 837)
Sub-
to stay, terminate or modify the tem-
It is further ordered, That Joseph A.
Huston or any other officer officers
that
matter. The
at the
Swanton #1
837
to hear-
ing. to administer oaths and affirmations, examine witnesses, compel their
attendance. take evidence, the
any
rec-
deemed relevant or material the
to continue said from
and to
mit time inquiry, to time. prepare hearing and to sub-
to the Director proposed findings
No.149
Big Vein
255
230
230
220
210
pursuant to the rules and regulations
governing practice and procedure before
the Bituminous Coal Division in proceed-
fendant herein, willfully violated the
porary relief herein granted may be filed
ings instituted pursuant to Section
4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act of
1937.
Dated July 30, 1941.
H. A. GRAY,
(SEAL]
Director.
[F. R. Doc. 41-5572; Filed, July 31, 1941;
plainant, alleging that F. B. Fry. the de-
provisions of the Bituminous Coal Code
(the "Code") and the effective minimum
prices, by selling, delivering and offering
to sell four (4) tons or more of 2" x 3/4'
stoker (Size Group 5) coal on February
12. 1941. produced by the defendant at
its Fry Mine, Mine Index No. 2921, located at or near Wayne County. West
Virginia, in District No. 8. to Charley
Short and Cecil Brown, truckers of coal.
[Docket No. 1639-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF F. B. FRY, CODE MEMBER, DEFENDANT
CEASE AND DESIST ORDER
ords production spondence, of memoranda, books, or papers, require other corre-
Garrett
visions of sections 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of
the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937 (the
"Act") by the Bituminous Coal Producers Board for District No. 8. com-
Notice is hereby given that applications
preside at such are
nated hereby to authorized conduct officers hearing said so desig-
44
Company, c/o R c. Clark
10:08 a. m.]
of purpose in the such Division shall preside duly designated or for hearing
1
Now, therefore, it is ordered, That a
hearing in the above-entitled matter be
held, under the applicable provisions of
said Act and the rules and regulations of
the Division, on August 29, 1941, at 10
o'clock a. m. (eastern standard time) in a
will be held.
Seam
,
Swanton Big Vein Coal
Division, 734 15th Street NW. Washington, D.C. On such day the Chief of the
Records Section in Room 502 will advise
as to the room in which such hearing
County
No.
No
above-entitled proceeding and an answer
to the aforesaid petition:
hearing room of the Bituminous Coal
dist.
3
Mine name
Index
4
Mine
Code member
District Board No. 1 having filed a
petition for leave to intervene in the
$
of the petitioner; and
A complaint, dated March 28, 1941, in
the above-entitled matter. having been
filed with the Bituminous Coal Division
(the "Division") pursuant to the pro-
at a price of $1.00 per net ton f. o. b.
truck transportation facilities at said
mine, whereas the effective minimum
price for such coal was $1.85 per net ton
f. O. b. transportation facilities at said
mine; and the complaint herein and notice of and order for hearing thereon
having been duly served on the defendant on April 21, 1941; and
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3848
The defendant, by stipulation made
July 2. 1941, a true copy of which is on
file herein, having admitted the truth
[Docket No. A-525)
in the Schedule of Effective
10 for All
PETITION OF DISTRICT BOARD No. 7 FOR
REDUCTION IN THE MINIMUM PRICES FOR
Prices Except for Truck. District Petitioners Shipments Minimum
of the allegations contained in the com-
Low VOLATILE RUN OF MINE COAL PRO-
ity to sell coal produced at their mine
plaint herein and the facts set out in
DUCED IN DISTRICTS Nos. 7 AND 8. WHEN
in District No. 10 to retail dealers in the
SHIPPED FOR OFF-LINE RAILWAY Loco-
cities of Minneapolia and St. Paul, Minne-
said stipulation and having consented to
the making and entry of this order:
It is hereby found That:
1. On June 13, 1940, the defendant
filed with the Division his acceptance
dated June 12, 1940, of the Code. Said
acceptance was approved by the Division
to take effect as of June 13, 1940. The
defendant has been since June 13, 1940,
and is now a code member in District
No.
2. The defendant wilfully violated the
provisions of the Code and the effective
minimum prices established by the Division by offering to sell, selling and de-
livering four (4) tons or more of
2" stoker (Size Group 5) coal
on February 12, 1941, produced by the
defendant at his Fry Mine, Mine Index
No. 2921. located at or near Wayne
County, West Virginia, to Charley Short
and Cecil Brown, truckers of coal, at a
price of $1.00 per net ton f. O. b. truck
transportation facilities at said mine.
The effective minimum price established
for such coal was $1.85 per net ton b.
said transportation facilities at said
mine.
Now, therefore, based upon the above
findings and the defendant's above
stipulation:
It is ordered, That the defendant, his
representatives, agents, servants, employees and attorneys and all persons
acting or claiming to act in his behalf
or interest, cease and desist and they
hereby are permanently enjoined and
restrained from violating the Code and
the effective minimum prices established
ant under section 5 (d) of the Act in
respect to said violations.
Dated: July 28, 1941.
(SEAL)
DAN H. WHEELER,
Acting Director.
IF. R. Doc. 41-5578 Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:08 m.)
or over the
MOTIVE FUEL, EXCEPT VIA TIDEWATER
ORDER OF THE ACTING DIRECTOR DENYING
RELIEF
Petition having been filed with the Bituminous Coal Division pursuant to section 4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act
of 1937 seeking a reduction in the off-line
railway locomotive fuel price of District
7 and 8 low volatile run of mine coals,
except via tidewater;
Petitions of intervention having been
filed by District Boards 1 and 3:
A hearing having been held in this
matter on February 6. 1941, pursuant to
an Order of the Director, before a duly
designated examiner of the Division, at a
hearing room of the Division in Washington, D.C. at which all interested per-
sons were afforded an opportunity to be
present, adduce evidence, and otherwise
be heard:
The preparation and filing of a report
by the Examiner having been waived and
the record thereupon having been submitted to the Acting Director:
The Acting Director having made
Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law
and having rendered an Opinion, which
are filed herewith;
Now, therefore, it is ordered, That the
prayers for relief contained in the petition herein be, and are hereby, denied.
Dated July 28, 1941.
(SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER
Acting Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5574 Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:09 a. m.)
by the Division;
It is further ordered, That the Division, in its discretion, may apply to the
Circuit Court of Appeals of the United
States within any circuit where such defendant resides and carries on business
for the enforcement hereof; and
It is further ordered, That this order
shall not constitute a waiver by or on
behalf of any person entitled to file a
complaint under sections 4 II (j) and
(b) of the Act, or either of them, or of
any right which they or any of them or
which the Division may have against the
defendant or of any penalty or forfeiture
to which the defendant may be subject
by reason of any violation other than
those referred to in paragraph 2 of the
findings herein, or a waiver by or on
behalf of any code member of any right
which he may have against the defend-
seek author.
[Docket No. A-780
PETITION OF DELTA MINING COMPANY,
SAHARA COAL COMPANY AND THE UNITED
ELECTRIC COAL COMPANIES, CODE MEMBER PRODUCERS IN DISTRICT No. 10, FOR
MINIMUM F. O. B. MINE PRICES FOR
F. A. S. DELIVERY FROM DISTRICT No.
10 TO RETAIL DEALERS AT MINNEAPOLIS
AND Sr. PAUL, PURSUANT TO SECTION 3
(A), SPECIAL RIVER PRICE INSTRUCTIONS
AND EXCEPTIONS, SCHEDULE OF EFFEC-
TIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No.
10, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF JUST AND EQUITABLE PRICES
MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER GRANTING
TEMPORARY RELIEF
This proceeding was instituted upon
an original joint petition filed with the
Bituminous Coal Division on March 31,
1941, by Delta Coal Mining Company
("Delta"), Sahara Coal Company ("Sa-
hara"), and the United Electric Coal
Companies ("United Electric"), code
members in District No. 10, pursuant to
the provisions of Section 3 (A), Special
River Price Instructions and Exceptions
f. O.
docks sota, for for there, delivery f. at minimum to municipal b. mine
prices
a. a. delivery, and for general relief.
Franklin County Coal Corporation Old
Ben Coal Corporation, Bell & Zoller Coal
and Mining Company. Chicago, Wilming.
ton & Franklin Coal Company Peabody
Coal Company and Wasson Coal Company ("Franklin County Coal Corporation
et als."), code members in District No.
intervened in support of the petition and
ask the same measure of relief as may
be granted to original petitioners. The
City of Minneapolis, a political subdivi-
sion of the State of Minnesota, inter-
vened in support of the original petition.
District Boards 7 and 11 intervened in
opposition to the requested relief and
District Board 11 moved to dismiss the
original petition, which motion was denied by the Director. District Boards 2.
6, and 10 and Carter Coal Company, a
code member in District 7. intervened
generally, and Consumers' Counsel Division (now Office of the Bituminous Coal
Consumers' Counsel) filed a notice of
appearance.
A hearing was held on May 27, 28 and
29, 1941, and on May 29 was continued
July 15,1941. The hearing resumed
on that date and was concluded on July
22, 1941. Appearances were noted for
original petitioners, Consumers' Counsel
and all interveners and Carter Coal Com-
pany. District Board 8 appeared and
participated but did not intervene.
On May 29, 1941, during the course of
the hearing, petitioners filed a motion for
leave to amend their original petition, in
order more clearly to define the issues
involved, by requesting as alternative relief (if section 3 (A) of the Special River
Price Instructions and Exceptions, Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for District No. 10, should be construed as being
inapplicable) the establishment of just
and equitable prices under section 4 II (d)
of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937. District Board 7 filed a reply in opposition
On June 17. 1941, the Director granted
leave so to amend, gave notice of the
amendment and of the continuance of the
hearing, and extended the period for in-
tervention. No new petitions of inter-
vention were filed.
petitioners, filed
motion a brief,
On June supported 4. original by Board requesting 7 filed
temporary
relief. District
a brief opposing the granting of tem-
porary relief.
During the hearing. petitioners offered evidence that:
Illinois coals moved all-rail into the
Twin Cities market in substantial quantitles until about 1924, when rail Dock rates
were increased and Great Lakes
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
rates decreased; as a result, the Twin
Cities market was virtually lost to IIIInois coals: during the last five years the
upper part of the Mississipp! River has
been developed by the Federal Government: due to this development, and be-
cause of lower transportation charges
for river as compared to all-rail shipments, Illinois coals began to move by
barge to the Twin Cities, and beginning
in 1939 moved in continually increasing
quantities until the establishment of
effective minimum prices on October 1,
1940.
It was also testified that the cities of
Minneapolis and St. Paul. in order that
their inhabitants might enjoy the lower
river transportation rates, constructed
coal docks on the Mississippi River: that
these docks are operated as a municipal
function at moderate cost with allocation of storage space to retail coal dealers on a yearly basis; and that although
actual storage space on the dock is limited. there is ample capacity for movement of coal across the dock. storage
at inland retail coal yards."
It was further testified that: In 1939
and 1940 petitioners shipped a substantial
percentage of the Illinois coal moving by
river to the Twin Cities: in 1939 Sahara
shipped via the Minneapolis dock to
about six purchasers, including retail
coal dealers, and to its own retail
coal yard on the Minneapolis dock where
it sold to retail coal dealers and in 1940
to the dockyard of its own subsidiary,
Saline Coal and Dock Co., and to others
including retail coal dealers with inland
retail coal yards; United Electric shipped
to retail coal dealers over the St. Paul
dock: Delta's coals moved via the Minneapolis dock to Republic Coal & Coke Company, its exclusive sales agent, acting as
retail coal dealer on the dock. to retail
coal dealers and to certain consumers
taking coal over the dock direct from
barge to railroad car: interveners, Franklin County Coal Corporation et als., also
shipped by river to the Twin Cities,
Franklin County Coal Corporation and
Peabody Coal Company, at least, shipping on a regular basis and in substantial
tonnages; since October 1, 1940, neither
original petitioners nor any of the interveners have shipped coal via river to re-
tail coal dealers in the Twin Cities: in
fact, very little Illinois coal has since
been delivered to such retail coal dealers
either by river or all-rail.
It appears that under the established
minimum prices, water-borne Illinois
coals have been unable to compete with
water-borne eastern coals from Minimum
Price Area having the advantage of the
Great Lakes dock rates. Since It is esThe evidence offered was that in 1931
the movement totaled 7,896 tons. There
were no shipments in 1932 and 1933 In
a of 204,672 tons was by
testimony
is about
of Illinois coal moved to and
Federal 1940 230,000 The total tons Barge Line alone that in 1940 shipped
over the municipal dock at Minneapolis.
timated that 85-95% of the coal delivered
in the Twin Cities is water-borne, these
eastern coals present the real competition
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dination of established minimum prices,
or by any other means is a matter which
can only be determined after more stud-
to the coal from District No. 10.
Petitioners contended that either free
alongside prices should be granted or,
if the relationship with all-rail coals must
be maintained, that the prescribed differ-
led consideration of the record in this
proceeding. And in that connection,
pending final disposition of the petition.
the Division will also study carefully the
entials should be revised properly to take
temporary relief.
into account. not only the lower cost
of river over all-rail transportation, but
also certain cost factors involved in the
handling of river coals, and that relief
should be extended to inland retail coal
dealers as well as those having dockyards, because storage space on the municipal docks is limited and occupied only
by a few persons and because much of
the coal has customarily moved across
the docks to inland retail coal dealers'
yards for storage. There appear to be
no private coal docks and no possible locations for them within the Twin Cities
area.
Certain interveners, particularly District Board 7. opposed the granting of
any relief, temporary or permanent, urging that it would upset coordination with
eastern Lake dock coals by depriving
them of their existing competitive opportunities in the Twin Cities market by
failing properly to reflect relative market
values.
District Board 7 produced two witnesses
who testified concerning the propriety
of f. prices. One of these witnesses
stated that he was opposed to such relief
whereas another witness, representing
lake dock interests regularly shipping the
preponderant tonnages consumed in the
Twin Cities, stated that f. a. 8. prices
should be established for sales to retail
coal dealers with dock facilities at the
Twin Cities. The witnesses for District
Board 7 also testified, concerning the effect of the establishment of f. a. S. prices
upon coordination at the Twin Cities.
Entirely apart from, and without considering, the issue of re-coordination it
is appropriate, on the basis of the abovementioned evidence, to grant temporary
relief under section 3 (A) of the Special
River Price Instructions and Exceptions
in the Minimum Price Schedule for Dis-
trict No. 10. Unless petitioners are
granted temporary relief they will suffer
irreparable injury. due to the shortness
of the river navigation season. And unless such relief is granted immediately,
petitioners will be deprived of any opportunity to negotiate for the sale and
shipment of river coals during the current season. Half of the season already
having passed, substantially less Illinois
coal can be shipped during the remainder
of the season than was shipped during
1940; certainly no more. There can not
be possible prejudice, therefore, to the
eastern producers if temporary relief, as
hereinafter provided, is granted.
Whether temporary relief should be
made permanent and whether permanent relief should be granted under the
"Special Cases" provision, by a re-coor-
results which follow from the granting of
Now, therefore, it is ordered, That
temporary relief pending final disposition of this proceeding is granted forth-
with by temporarily amending the
schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for
District No. 10 for All Shipments Except
Truck, as follows
Under the Section "Prices for River
(free alongside deliveries) and Ex-River
Shipments, Special River Pride Instructions and Exceptions," "Special Cases
C," page 53, add the following provision:
Any code member producer, sales
agent or registered distributor may sell
coal for barge delivery to and over the
municipal docks at Minneapolis and
St. Paul at the minimum f. O. b. mine
prices for free alongside delivery when
shipped from the mines by rail and reloaded into barges on the Mississippi
River for transshipment on the Mississippi River to retail coal dealers for resale
at retail by such dealers located within
the switching limits of these cities,
whether such coal is for storage on the
municipal docks or at inland retail coal
yards.
Provided, however, That the relief
herein granted shall apply only to coal
shipped from the mine subsequent to
the date hereof, and
Provided further, That any code member, sales agent or registered distributor
offering for sale, selling or reselling any
coal pursuant to this Order shall submit
to the Bituminous Coal Division at 734
Fifteenth Street NW. Washington, D.C.
within five (5) days after such offer,
sale or resale, a complete description of
such offer. sale or resale as is required
by the Marketing Rules and Regulations
of the Division, Order 313. and any other
orders of the Division. The filing of this
data at the offices of the Bituminous
Coal Division in Washington, D. C. shall
be in addition to that required for filing
with the field office.
Each report or description required
herein shall be duly verified and marked
for incorporation in this docket as part
of the record in these proceedings.
It may be required from time to time
that there shall be made available for
inspection for representatives of the BItuminous Coal Division at all reasonable
times and places, all books, records, correspondence or other documents pertain-
ing to the offer for sale, sale, delivery
or other transactions of and involving
such coals.
Notice is hereby given that applications to stay. terminate, or modify the
temporary relief herein granted may be
filed pursuant to the Rules and Regu-
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
8850
lations Governing Practices and Procedure for the Bituminous Coal Division
in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to
section 4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal
Act of 1937.
Nothing contained herein shall be
deemed to constitute a ruling or expression of the Director's views concern-
ing the final disposition of these pro-
ceedings or the nature of the relief which
may hereafter be granted.
Dated July 29, 1941.
H.A. GRAY,
(SEAL)
Director.
(P. R Doc. 41-5575 Filed, July 81, 1941:
10:09 a. m.]
(Docket No. 1557-FD)
IN THE MATTER OF BECKLEY FIRE CREEK
COAL COMPANY, DEFENDANT
ORDER GRANTING APPLICATION FOR REIN-
(Docket No. 821-FD)
In THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION OF
BELLEVILLE FUELS, INCORPORATED FOR
PROVISIONAL APPROVAL AB A MARKETING
AGENCY: IN RE: APPLICATION OF THE AP-
PLICANT FOR RENEWAL OF THE ORDER
MARKETING AGENCY
ORDER GRANTING INTERIM RENEWAL OF ORDER
GRANTING APPLICANT PROVISIONAL APPROVAL AB A MARKETING AGENCY
Applicant, Belleville Fuels, Incorporated, having filed an application with
the National Bituminous Coal Commission (predecessor of the Bituminous Coal
Division) requesting provisional approval
as a marketing agency pursuant to Order No. 6 issued by said National Bituminous Coal Commission on June 21,
The Bituminous Coal Division by Or-
An Order having been made herein on
July 18, 1941, by the Acting Director,
pursuant to stipulation of Beckley and
said District Board, dated July 16, 1941,
cancelling and revoking the code membership of Beckley and providing that
such cancellation and revocation shall
become effective six (6) days after service
uary 9, 1940, subject to renewal upon ap-
plication therefor; and
Applicant having on June 27, 1941,
filed an application for renewal of said
Order granting it provisional approval
as a marketing agency, requesting that
said Order be renewed retroactively to
January 9. 1941; and
By an Order dated July 15. 1941, a
hearing having been scheduled on said
application for renewal of the Order
granting Applicant provisional approval
as a marketing agency, at 10 o'clock in
the forenoon of August 4. 1941, at a hear-
effective date of such cancellation and re-
Now, therefore, # is ordered, That,
Beckley having filed with the Division
its application, dated July 25, 1941, for
come effective simultaneously with the
vocation of its code membership; and
appearing from said application that
Beckley has paid to the Collector of Internal Revenue at Parkersburg, West Virginia, the sum of One Thousand Nine
Hundred Seven Dollars and Thirty-seven
Cents ($1,907.37). pursuant to said Order
made July 18, 1941, as a condition prece-
dent to reinstatement of its code
membership.
It is ordered, That said application of
Beckley, dated July 25, 1941, for reinstatement of its code membership be and
it hereby is granted.
It is further ordered, That the code
membership of Beckley be and it hereby
is restored as of the effective date of said
specified respects;
pending the determination of the aforementioned proceeding. an interim renewal of the Order granting the Appli-
cant provisional approval as a marketing
agency is hereby granted as of January
1941;
It is further ordered, That the renewal
of the provisional approval hereby
granted is specifically subject to such
further orders as may be entered in this
docket.
Dated July 28, 1941.
[SEAL]
DAN H. WHEELER
Acting Director.
(P. R. Doc. 41-5577 Filed, July 81, 1941;
10:00 m.]
cancellation and revocation of code
membership.
APPLICATIONS FOR REGISTRATION
Dated July 30, 1941.
(SEAL)
AS DISTRIBUTOR
GRAY,
Director.
(P. R. Doe. 41-5576
Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:09
D.C.
(SEAL)
reinstatement of code membership to be-
Beckley on July 23, 1941; and
provisions of the Bituminous Coal Act
and the Rules and Regulations for the
Registration of Distributors, is invited
to furnish such information to the DIvision on or before August 1941. This
information should be mailed or presented to the Bituminous Coal Division
Dated July 29, 1941.
ing room of the Bituminous Coal Division, 734 15th Street NW., Washington,
D. C.: and Applicant having been required
at the same time to show cause why its
provisional approval. if renewed, should
not be modified and amended in certain
thereof on Beckley; and
Said Order having been duly served on
Any district board, code member, distributor, the Consumers' Counsel, or any
other interested person, who has peru
nent information concerning the eligibil.
ity of any of the above-named applicants
for registration as distributors under the
1940, as modified by Order of the Direc-
granted the application of the Belleville
Fuels, Incorporated, for provisional approval as a marketing agency for one
year from the date of said Order of Jan-
regulations thereunder; and
Payne, Barbourville, Ky,
der of the Director dated January 9.
A written complaint, dated February
5. 1941. having been filed herein by the
Bituminous Coal Producers Board for
District No. 7. pursuant to section 4 II
(j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act
of 1937 (the "Act"), alleging wilful viola-
pany ("Beckley"), of the Bituminous
Clarence
7/21/41.
784 15th Street NW., Washington, D.C.
1937; and
tor dated January 15, 1941, having
Coal Code (the "Code"), and rules and
Montevallo
Ala.,
6/2/41. Coal Mining Co., Aldrich,
GRANTING Ir PROVISIONAL APPROVAL AS
STATEMENT OF CODE MEMBERSHIP
tion by the Beckley Fire Creek Coal Com-
filed: Name, address, and date application
An application for registration as a
distributor has been filed by each of the
following and is under consideration by
the Director:
H. A. GRAY,
Director.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5578; Filed, July 81, 1941;
10:10 m.)
(Docket No. 1541-FD]
IN THE MATTER OF THE WYATT COAL SALES
COMPANY, REGISTERED DISTRIBUTOR
REGISTRATION No. 9906, DEFENDANT
ORDER OF SUSPENSION OF REGISTRATION
The Notice of and Order for Hearing
in the above entitled matter dated February 17, 1941, having been duly made
by the Director pursuant to the provisions of Section 304.14 of the Rules and
Regulations for the Registration of Distributors, promulgated by the Bitumi-
nous Coal Division (the "Division"),
pursuant to section 4 II (h) of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937 (the "Act"), to
determine whether the Wyatt Coal Sales
Company ("Wyatt"), registered distributor, Registration No. 9906, defendant in
the above entitled matter has violated
the provisions of section 4 II (e) and
(h) of the Act, I 304.12 (b) of the Rules
and Regulations for the Registration of
Distributors, and Sections (b) and (e) of
the agreement executed by said defendant pursuant to said I 304.12 (b), and
said Notice of and Order for Hearing
having been duly served upon the defendant on February 19. 1941; and
The defendant having filed its answer
herein with the Division on March 3.
1941, and an order having been made
and entered herein, dated July 23, 1941.
permitting the withdrawal thereof; and
The defendant having by stipulation
made July 19, 1941, a true copy of which
is annexed hereto and made a part
hereof, admitted the truth of the alle-
gations contained in said Notice of and
Order for Hearing, and the facts set out
in said stipulation and having consented
to the making and entry of this order
of suspension: and
The defendant having by said stipulation waived (a) hearing on the Notice (b)
of and Order for Hearing herein:
oral argument on the filing of briefs be-
FEDERAL REGISTER Friday, August 1, 1941
fore the Director or other presiding offcer: (c) the preparation and submission
of any report, findings of fact or recomby the Director or other pre-
(d) of
or
prepmendations oral siding other argument presiding officer; officer before the and the presentation (e) Director the
aration and submission of tentative
findings of fact or proposed order by the
Director: and
The defendant by said stipulation
(a) having admitted improperly substituting. during the months of October and
November, 1940, as agent for the Beckley
Fire Creek Coal Company ("Beckley")
2717.05 tons of 3/4" slack coal pro-
duced at the Penman Mine, Mine Index
No. 140. located in District No. 7, on an
order of Bethlehem Steel Company,
dated October 30, 1940, for 2400 tons
of % slack coal at $1.75 per net
ton b. said mine, whereas the effective minimum price for said substituted
1/4" x 0 slack was $1.80 per net ton
f. 0. b. said mine: (b) having further
admitted the statements of fact and
conclusions of law contained in the
order made by the Director dated July 18,
1941, in Docket No. 1557-FD, cancelling
and revoking the code membership of
Beckley and assessing the tax payable
by Beckley at Nineteen Hundred and
Seven Dollars and Thirty-seven Cents
($1907.37), as a condition to its reinstate-
ment to membership in the Bituminous
Coal Code ("Code") and (c) having further admitted that the transactions set
forth in (a) and (b) hereof violated the
applicable minimum prices set out in the
Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for
District No. 7. for All Shipments Except
Truck, $ 304.12 (b). 2, 3, and 5 of the
Rules and Regulations for the Registration of Distributors, paragraphs (b). (c),
and (e) of the Agreement made April 25,
1939 (the Distributor's Agreement")
pursuant to the order of the National
Bituminous Coal Commission ("Commission") dated March 24, 1939, entered in
General Docket No. 12 and adopted as
an order of the Division on July 1, 1939,
the execution of said agreement by the
defendant having been a condition precedent to the granting of the defendant's
application for registration as a distrib-
utor, Rules (a). (b). (c) and (e) and 2
of Section XI, Rule 3 of Section XII and
Rule 6 of Section XIII of the Marketing
Rules and Regulations and Section 4 II
(e) and (h) and paragraph 6 of Section
(1) of the Act.
It is hereby found that:
(1) The defendant is a corporation
organized and existing under and by
virtue of the laws of the State of West
Virginia, with its principal office located
at Charleston, West Virginia, and is engaged under the powers granted to It by
its corporate charter in the business of
selling and distributing coal.
(2) On April 26. 1939, pursuant to the
Order of the Commission dated March
4,1939, entered in General Docket No.
and adopted as an order of the Division on July 1, 1939, the defendant filed
with the Commission its application
dated April 25, 1939, for registration as
a distributor which was accompanied by
its Agreement executed April 25, 1939,
(the "Distributor's Agreement"), said
application was approved by the Division on November 18, 1939, and Certificate No. 9906 was issued to the defendant
authorizing it to act as a registered distributor and the defendant has been ever
since the last-mentioned date and is
now acting as a registered distributor.
(3) Beckley is a corporation duly or.
ganized and existing under and by virtue
of the laws of the State of West Virginia,
whose principal office is located at
Charleston, West Virginia, and is en-
gaged under the powers granted to it by
its corporate charter, in the business of
mining and producing bituminous coal.
(4) On June 19, 1937, Beckley filed
with the Commission its acceptance of
the Code dated June 17, 1937; said acceptance was approved by the Commission on June 28, 1937, to take effect as
of June 19, 1937, and was adopted as of
July 1, 1939, by the Division, and Beckley
since said last-mentioned date, has been
a code member operating the Penman
Mine, Mine Index No. 140, located in
District No. 7 in Raleigh County, West
Virginia.
(5) The defendant owns all the outstanding corporate shares of stock of
Beckley and controls its corporate acts
and doings. The defendant acted as the
duly authorized agent of Beckley in the
transaction referred to in (6) hereof.
(6) The defendant sold and substituted during the months of October and
November, 1940, as agent for Beckley
2,717.05 ton of 3/4" x slack coal produced at the Penman Mine, Mine Index
No. 140 located in District No. 7, on the
order of Bethlehem Steel Company dated
October 30, 1940, for 2,400 tons of % x 0
slack coal at $1.75 per net ton f. o. b. said
mine, whereas the effective minimum
price for said substituted 3/4' slack
coal was $1.80 per net ton f. b. said
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by failing to file currently as rendered,
cover
tons (6 456.9
invoices tons (6 cars), (6 to 446.59 shipments cars) of 447.75 and tons
cars), respectively made on November 11, and 14, 1940, respectively,
of said substituted 3/4' x 0 slack coal at
$1.75 per net ton b. said mine, such
invoices not having been filed until
December 28, 1940.
Now, therefore, based upon the above
findings; upon the defendant's agreement that during said periods of suspension It will not act as registered distributor and that It will not accept or receive
as registered distributor, either directly
or indirectly. any discounts on coal purchased by It from code members during
the period of suspension herein which
would reduce the price thereof below the
effective minimum price therefor and
that during said period It will observe
and faithfully abide by all the provisions
of the Act, the Marketing Rules and
Regulations, the Rules and Regulations
for the Registration of Distributors, the
Distributor's Agreement, and all applicable orders of the Division, and Reckley
having paid said tax of Nineteen Hundred
and Seven Dollars and Thirty-seven
Cents ($1907.37) to the Bureau of Internal Revenue pursuant to an order of
the Director dated July 18, 1941 in Docket
No. 1557-FD and applied to the Division
for reinstatement of membership in the
Code.
It is ordered, That the registration of
the defendant in the above entitled mat-
ter, Wyatt Coal Sales Company, as a
distributor is hereby suspended for a
period of thirty (30) days from the date
of service hereof upon the defendant
herein and that the defendant, its offcers, representatives, agents, servants,
employees and attorneys and all affillates and subsidiaries of the defendant
shall be and are hereby prohibited from
receiving or accepting any discounts from
the effective minimum prices, either directly or indirectly, on coal purchased by
them or any of them from code members
mine.
during said thirty (30) day period of
(7) That 1/4" x 0 slack coal shipped to
Bethlehem Steel Company on the order
making and entry of this order of sus-
hereof aggregating 2,717.05 tons were sold
its officers, representatives. agents, serv-
for % x 0 slack referred to in (6)
and shipped in violation of the appli-
cable minimum prices as set forth in the
Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for
District No. 7 For All Shipments Except
Truck, 304.12 (b). (2), (3) and (5) of
the Rules and Regulations for the Reglatration of Distributors, paragraphs (b),
(c) and (e) of the Distributor's Agreement, Rules 1 (a), (b). (c) and (e) and
2 of Section XI, Rule 3 of Section XII
and Rule 6 of Section XIII of the Marketing Rules and Regulations and section
(e) and (h) and paragraph 6 of section 4 II (1) of the Act.
(8) The defendant in shipping the
1/4' slack coal to the Bethlehem Steel
Company referred to in (6) hereof, violated the Commission's Order No. 156
dated December 18, 1937, and adopted as
an order of the Division on July 1, 1939,
suspension: Provided, however, That the
pension will not prevent the defendants,
ants, employees and attorneys and all
affiliates and subsidiaries of defendant
from accepting sales commissions on coal
sold by them or any of them as sales
agent under bona fide sales contracts
filed with the Division on or before January 1, 1941: And Provided further, That
if the defendant shall not have complied
with the provisions of Section 304.15 of
the Rules and Regulations for the Regis-
tration of Distributors within the said
thirty (30) day period, said suspension
shall continue in full force and effect
until five (5) days after the affidavit requested by said Section 304.15 shall have
been filed with the Division: and
It is further ordered, That the defendant, during such said period of suspension shall continue fully to observe, abide
by and remain in all respects subject to
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3852
all pertinent and applicable provisions of
the Act. Marketing Rules and Regulations, Rules and Regulations for the
Registration of Distributors, the Distributor's Agreement and all applicable
orders of the Division: and
It is further ordered, That in the event
the defendant shall hereafter violate any
of its agreements set forth in said stipulation dated July 19, 1941, a true copy
of which is annexed hereto and made a
part hereof, this matter may be reopened
and such action taken and orders entered herein as to the Director may seem
just and proper under the circumstances,
and jurisdiction of this matter is hereby
expressly reserved for such purposes.
Dated July 30, 1941
H. GRAY,
(SEAL)
the northeast bank of the Kuskokyim River
and in the south edge of the town of Old
McGrath bears
N. 45'50" W. 825 feet;
N. 47*08 E. 354 feet;
N. 48'50' W. 6458 feet. in approximate
latitude 62'57'40" N. longitude 155
87 W.
Thence by metes and bounds.
8. 67'04 W. 1050.0 feet;
8. 79'00" W., 1200.0 feet;
N. 76'24' W., 1100.0 feet;
N. 47'22" W., 1300.0 feet;
N. 32'87" W., 2185.5 feet;
N. 48'56 W., 400.0 feet more or less, to
a point on the east boundary line of
U. 8. Survey No. 1962.
HAROLD L. ICKES,
Secretary of the Interior.
JULY 16, 1941.
(P. R Doc. 41-5591: Filed, July 81, 1941;
10:84 a. m.)
Director.
(P. R. Doc. 41-5579: Filed, July 31, 1941;
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION.
[Docket No. 6159)
AIR NAVIGATION SITE WITHDRAWAL No. 165.
ALASKA
It is ordered, under and pursuant to
the provisions of section 4 of the act of
May 24, 1928, 45 Stat. 729: 49 U.S.C. 214,
that the public lands lying within the
following described boundaries in the
vicinity of McGrath, Alaska, be, and they
are hereby, withdrawn from all forms of
appropriation under the public-land laws,
subject to valid existing rights, for the
use of the Department of Commerce in
the maintenance of air navigation
facilities:
TRACT No. 1
Beginning at a point on the south boundary
of U. 8. Survey No. 1962. from which corner
No. 3 of such survey bears west 178.8 feet in
approximate latitude 62'57'80" N. longitude
155'37" W. Thence by metes and bounds,
East 1320.0 feet;
South 2990.4 feet to a stake on the left
bank of Kuskokwim River:
Thence with meanders of the left bank.
N. 73'40" W., 622.7 feet;
N. 75*00" W., 500.0 feet:
N 72'00" W. 251.7 feet to a stake
thence
North 2608.1 feet to the place of begin-
ning containing 84.8 acres
TRACT No. 2
Beginning at a point on the west boundary
of U. 8. Survey No 1962. from which corner
No. 3 of such survey bears south 2253.8 feet.
Thence by metes and bounds
8.81'14 W. 1873.8 feet to a stake on the
left bank of Kuskokwim River;
Thence with meanders of left bank,
N. 20'14' E. 171.5 feet;
N 43'14" E. 300.0 feet:
N 47'14" E. 295.6 feet to a stake: thence
N. 81'14' E. 1386.3 feet to a stake on the
west boundary of U. 8. Survey No. 1962,
thence
South, 505.9 feet along the west boundary
of
such survey to the place of beginning
containing 19.4 acres
TRACT No.
A 100-foot right-of-way. the center line as
follows:
Beginning at a point on the west boundary
line of the tract withdrawn October 1, 1940,
under Air Navigation Site Withdrawal No.
145. from which U. 8. L M. 1961, located on
1,750 to 2,050 kilocycles
3,500 to 3,800 kilocycles
8,900 to 4,000 kilocycles
7,000 to 7,300 kilocycles
14,000 to 14,400 kilocycles
28,000 to 30,000 kilocycles
56,000 to 60,000 kilocycles
112,000 to 116,000 kilocycles
224,000 to 280,000 kilocycles
400,000 to 401,000 kilocycles
Provided, however, That amateur 11.
censees located in the states of Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New
York, New Jersey. Pennsylvania, Dela.
ware, Maryland, District of Columbia,
Ohio, Michigan. Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota,
South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana,
Idaho, Oregon. and Washington, may use
10:10 a. m.)
General Land Office.
cycle band and 50 frequencies in the
3900-4000
band upon further
order of the kilocycle
Commission:
ORDER IN THE MATTER OF WITHDRAWAL OF
FREQUENCIES FROM AMATEUR SERVICE
At a meeting of the Federal Communications Commission held in its offices in
Washington, D. C., on the 29th day of
July, 1941:
The Commission having under consid-
eration its Rules Governing Amateur
Radio Stations and Operators with particular reference to the provisions governing the use of frequencies; and
It appearing that the needs of National
Defense require the temporary re-assignment, on September 1, 1941, of one hundred and at later dates of an additional
two hundred kilocycles presently allocated
to amateur stations under II 12.111,
12.115 and 12.116, to the conduct of com-
munications necessary for the training
of military airplane pilots exclusively;
It is ordered, That on August 18, 1941,
a public hearing be held at the offices of
the Commission in Washington, D. C.,
to determine whether the adoption of
the following order will promote public
the frequencies in the band 3800-3900
kilocycles for Type A-1 emission during
the period between two hours after local
sunrise and two hours before local sunset subject to the condition that no interference is caused to government opera-
tion on these frequencies. The privilege
conferred by this proviso with respect to
any amateur or to the amateurs within
any area may be terminated at any time
without advance notice or hearing should
interference develop.
Temporary Rule 12.115 Additional
bands for types of emission using amplt-
tude modulation. The following bands
of frequencies are allocated for use by
amateur stations using additional types
of emission as shown:
1,750 to 1,900 kilocycles
1,900 to 2,050 kilocycles
A-3
7,250 tc 7,300 kilocycles
A-8
A-3
8,900 4,000 kilocycles
A-4
A-3
14,150 to 14,250 kilocycles
A-3
28,100 to 80,000 kilocycles
56,000 to 60,000 kilocycles
112,000 to 116,000 kilocycles -2A-SA-4 A-5
00 to 280,000 kilocycles A-2 A-3 A-4 A-8
400,000to401,000 kilocycles A-3 A-3 A-4 A-5
This order shall take effect September
1, 1941.
It is further ordered, That any existing
holder of an amateur radio station II-
convenience or interest or will serve public necessity or enable a fuller compliance
with the provisions of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended;
It is ordered, That " 12.111, 12.115 and
12.116 of Part 12 of the Rules and Regulations of the Commission, insofar as they
cense desiring to object to the foregoing
proposed order shall, not later than August 14, 1941, file an appearance with the
United States, be, and they are hereby,
[F. R. Doc. 41-5582: Filed, July 31. 1941;
Commission setting forth in detail the
grounds of such objection.
By the Commission.
(SEAL]
T. J. SLOWIE.
Secretary.
pertain to the continental limits of the
suspended until further order of the
10:11 m.)
commission;
It is further ordered, That the following Temporary Rules Governing Ama-
teur Radio Stations be effective during
the period of the suspension of the fore-
going sections:
Temporary Rule 12.111 Frequenoles
for exclusive use of amateur stations. The
following bands of frequencies are allocated exclusively for use by amateur stations subject to change with respect to
150 frequencies in the 3500-3800 kilo-
[Docket No. 6149]
NOTICE RELATIVE TO AMERICAN REPUBLI-
CAN, INC. (WBRY)
Application dated February 20, 1941.
for modification of C.P.; class of service,
station,
specified:
location, ating broadcast; assignment Waterbury, class of Connecticut; Frequency. broadcast; oper- and
560 kc.: power, 1 kw. (DA night
day) hours of operation, unlimited.
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
You are hereby notified that the Comhas examined the
and
mission scribed application has the designated above following de-
the matter for hearing for
reasons:
To determine whether completion of
construction heretofore authorized (B1P-2756) was prevented by causes not under control of the applicant-permittee.
2 To determine whether the granting
of the instant application would tend
toward a fair, efficient and equitable dis-
tribution of radio service as contemplated by section 307 (b) of the Communications Act of 1934. as amended.
3. To determine whether the granting
of this application would be consistent
with the standards of good engineering
practice, particularly in view of the expected nighttime interference limitation
to the service of Station WBRY as pro-
The applicant is hereby given the op-
portunity to obtain a hearing on such
issues by filing a written appearance in
accordance with the provisions of
1.382(b) of the Commission's Rules of
Practice and Procedure. Persons other
than the applicant who desire to be heard
must file a petition to intervene in accordance with the provisions of - 1.102. of
the Commission's Rules of Practice and
Procedure.
The applicant's address is as follows:
American Republican, Inc., Radio Sta-
tion WERY, 136 Grand St., Waterbury,
Connecticut.
4. To determine whether the proposed
directional antenna array would afford
adequate protection to the services of
Stations WFIL and WGAN, particularly
in view of the distances between said
stations and Station WBRY.
5. To determine the extent of any in-
terference which would result from
miltaneous operation of Station
WBRY as proposed, and Stations
WMCA, WFIL and WGAN.
6. To determine the areas and popula-
Dated at Washington, D. C., July 29,
1941.
By the Commission
T.J. SLOWIE,
Secretary.
(SEAL]
10:11 a. m.]
[Docket No. 6084
NOTICE RELATIVE TO BOONE BIBLICAL
COLLEGE (KFGQ)
Application dated May 21, 1941, for
renewal of license; class of service, broadcast; class of station. broadcast: location,
Boone, Iowa: operating assignment: fre-
and WFIL, should Station WBRY operate as proposed, and what other broadcast service is available to these areas
quency, 1,400 kc.: power, 100 W. day;
hours of operation, specified hours.
You are hereby notified that the Commission has examined the above described application and has designated
the matter for hearing for the following
and populations.
reason:
tions which may be expected to lose in-
terference-free primary service, particularly from Stations WMCA. WGAN
7. To determine the areas and populations now receiving interference-free
primary service from Station WBRY
which may be expected to lose such
service should this application be
granted, and what other broadcast service is available to these areas and popuNations.
8. To determine areas and populations
which may be expected to gain interference-free primary service from the
operation of Station WBRY, as pro-
posed and what other broadcast service
available to these areas and populations.
which from
9. To determine the extent of inas proposed, and WFIL as
terference simultaneous WBRY. operation would result of any Station
application No. as
areas andpopulations proposed as
wellthe
in B2-P-2894,
affected thereby and what other broadcast service is available to these areas
and populations.
10. To determine whether in view of
the facts adduced under the foregoing
issues that public convenience
will be the
and necessity interest, served by
pranting of this application.
The application involved herein will
not be granted by the Commission unJess the issues listed above are determined in favor of the applicant on the
basis by of a record duly and properly made
means of a formal hearing.
1. To determine whether public interest, convenience or necessity would be
better served through the unlimited time
operation of Station KVFD on the fre-
quency 1,400 kc. than through the continued operation of Station KFGQ.
The application involved herein will
not be granted by the Commission unless
the issue listed above is determined in
favor of the applicant on the basis of a
record duly and properly made by means
of a formal hearing.
The applicant is hereby given the opportunity to obtain a hearing on such
issue by filing a written appearance in
accordance with the provisions of 1.382
(b) of the Commission's Rules of Practice and Procedure. Persons other than
the applicant who desire to be heard
must file a petition to intervene in accordance with the provisions of 1.102
of the Commission's Rules of Practice and
Procedure.
The applicant's address is as follows:
Boone Biblical College, Radio Station
KFGQ, 924 West Second St., Boone, Iowa.
Dated at Washington, D. C., July 28,
1941.
By the Commission
(SEAL]
(Docket 61391
NOTICE RELATIVE TO SEABOARD RADIO
BROADCASTING CORPORATION (WIBG)
dated March for
class
modification Application of license; 18, of 1941, service,
broadcast: class of station, broadcast;
location, Glenside, Pennsylvania; operating assignment specified: Frequency. 990
kc.: power, 1 kw. day: hours of operation,
limited to Knoxville, Tenn.
You are hereby notified that the Com-
mission has examined the above described application and has designated
the matter for hearing for the following
reasons:
(F. R. Doc. 41-5583: Filed, July 31, 1941;
posed.
3853
T. J. SLOWIE,
Secretary
(F. R. Doc. 41-5584: Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:11 a. m.)
1. To determine whether the granting
of this application would be consistent
with the provisions of the North American
Regional Broadcasting Agreement.
2. To determine whether in view of the
facts adduced under the foregoing issue
and the issues relating to the application
for renewal of license of Station WIBG,
Docket No. 6062, public interest convenience and necessity will be served by
the granting of the instant application.
The application involved herein will
not be granted by the Commission unless
the issues listed above are determined in
favor of the applicant on the basis of a
record duly and properly made by means
of a formal hearing.
The applicant is hereby given the op-
portunity to obtain a hearing on such
issues by filing a written appearance in
accordance with the provisions of 1.382
(b) of the Commission's Rules of Practice and Procedure, Persons other than
the applicant who desire to be heard
must file a petition to intervene in accordance with the provisions of $1.102
of the Commission's Rules of Practice
and Procedure
The applicant's address is as follows:
Seaboard Radio Broadcasting Corp.,
Radio Station WIBG, Easton Road and
Mt. Carmel Avenue, Glenside, Pennsylvania.
Dated at Washington, D. C., July 28,
1941.
By the Commission.
(SEAL)
T. J. SLOWIE.
Secretary.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5585; Filed, July 31, 1941;
10:11 a. m.)
[Docket No. 6131)
NOTICE RELATIVE TO HENNESSY BROADCASTING Co. (New)
Application dated April 2. 1941, for
construction permit: class of service,
broadcast: class of station. broadcast;
location, Butte, Montana: operating assignment specified: Frequency, 1,490 kc.:
power, 250 w.: hours of operation,
unlimited.
You are hereby notified that the Com-
mission has examined the above described application and has designated
the matter for hearing for the following
reasons:
1. To determine applicant's legal.
technical, and other qualifications to
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
3854
construct and operate the proposed
the matter for hearing for the following
station.
reasons:
2. To determine the type and character
of the service, both program and technical, which applicant may be expected to
1. To determine applicant's legal,
technical, and other qualifications to
construct and operate the proposed
render if granted a permit to construct
the proposed station.
3. To determine the identity residence.
experience and familiarity with the needs
of the population to which it is proposed to render a local broadcast service.
of the persons having ultimate control
of the applicant.
4. To determine the practices and policies which the applicant may be expected
to follow in the operation of the proposed station. particularly in view of its
connections with the Hennessey Company. owner of a retail department store
in Butte, Montana, and the Mercantile
Stores Company, Inc., engaged in the
business of operating department stores
and owning real estate.
5. To determine whether public interest. convenience or necessity would be
served by a grant of this application and
the application of Barclay Craighead
(File No. B5-P-3103. Docket No. 6132),
or either of them.
The application involved herein will
not be granted by the Commission unless
the issues listed above are determined in
favor of the applicant on the basis of a
record duly and properly made by means
of a formal hearing.
The applicant is hereby given the op-
portunity to obtain a hearing on such
issues by filing a written appearance in
accordance with the provisions of I 1.382
(b) of the Commission's Rules of Practice
and Procedure Persons other than the
applicant who desire to be heard must
file a petition to intervene in accordance
with the provisions of I 1.102 of the Com-
the reasons? matter for hearing for the following
The applicant's address is as follows:
the past operated in accordance
station.
the Commission's Rules and Regulations with
2. To determine the type and character of the service, both program and
technical, which applicant may be expected to render if granted a permit to
Governing
Service, particularly
$9.9, 9.62 Aviation
and 9.113.
2. To determine the ultra high fre.
quency assignment most suitable for this
station.
construct the proposed station.
3. To determine whether public interest, convenience and necessity would be
served by a grant of this application and
the application of the Hennessey Broadcasting Company (File No. B5-P-3158,
Docket No. 6131), or either of them.
3. To determine whether the contin.
ued operation of this station would serve
public interest, convenience or necessity.
The applications involved herein will
not be granted by the Commission unless
the issues listed above are determined
favor of the applicant on the basis of
a record duly and properly made by
means of a formal hearing
The applicant is hereby given the op.
portunity to obtain a hearing on such
issues by filing a written appearance in
The application involved herein will
not be granted by the Commission unless
the issues listed above are determined in
favor of the applicant on the basis of a
record duly and properly made by means
of a formal hearing.
The applicant is hereby given the op-
accordance with the provisions of
1.382 (b) of the Commission's Rules
portunity to obtain a hearing on such
issues by filing a written appearance in
of Practice and Procedure. Persons other
than the applicant who desire to be
heard must file a petition to intervene
in accordance with the provisions of
1.102 of the Commission's Rules of
Practice and Procedure.
The applicant's address is as follows
accordance with the provisions of
1.382 (b) of the Commission's Rules of
Practice and Procedure Persons other
than the applicant who desire to be heard
must file a petition to intervene in accordance with the provisions of 1.102
of the Commission's Rules of Practice
George W. McCauley, d/b as Aeronau-
tical Radio Company, Roosevelt Field
Mineola, New York.
and Procedure.
The applicant's address is as follows:
Dated at Washington, D. C., July 29.
Barclay Craighead, Wheeler Block, 122
W. Broadway, Butte, Montana.
1941.
By the Commission
Dated at Washington D. C., July 28,
(SEAL]
Secretary.
By the Commission.
(SEAL)
(F. R. Doc. 41-5588; Filed, July 31, 1941;
SLOWIE,
10:12 a. m.]
Secretary.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5587: Filed. July 31, 1941:
10:12 a. m.)
FEDERAL POWER COMMISSION.
Hennessy Broadcasting Company, %
Hennessy Company, Hennessy Building.
Butte, Montana
Dated at Washington, D. C., July 28,
1941.
By the Commission
[SEAL]
SLOWIE
Secretary.
IF R Doc. 41-5586 Filed. July 31, 1941:
10:12 a. m.)
Docket No. 6132
NOTICE RELATIVE TO BARCLAY CRAIGHEAD
(New)
Application dated February 4. 1941, for
construction permit; class of service,
broadcast: class of station, broadcast;
location, Butte, Montana; operating assignment specified: Frequency. 1,500,
(1,490 kc. NARBA) power, 250 hours
of operation, unlimited
You are hereby notified that the Com-
mission has examined the above described application and has designated
SLOWIE
1941.
mission's Rules of Practice and Pro-
cedure.
1. To determine whether or not
port control radio station WQEB has air.
[Docket No. IT-5721
IN THE MATTER OF MONTANA-DAKOTA
[Docket Nos. 6151. 6152
UTILITIES Co.
NOTICE RELATIVE TO GEORGE W. McCAULEY, d/b AS AERONAUTICAL RADIO COMPANY (WQEB)
Application dated March 28, 1941, for
renewal of license: class of service, aviation; class of station, airport; location,
Roosevelt Field, Mineola, New York:
operating assignment: Frequency, 278
kc.: power, 15 watts; emission, A-3: Pts.
of Comm. ground to aircraft stations.
Application dated April 9, 1941, for
construction permit; class of service,
aviation; class of station, airport: location. Roosevelt Field. Mineola, New
York: operating assignment specified:
Frequency. add: 130,400 kc.; (Alternates
129,200 and 129,800 kc.): power, 100
watts; emission, A-3; Pts. of Comm.,
ground to aircraft stations.
You are hereby notified that the Commission has examined the above described applications and has designated
NOTICE OF APPLICATION
JULY 1941.
Notice is hereby given that on July
29. 1941, an application was filed with
the Federal Power Commission, pursu204 of the
Montana-Dakota
ant Act, to by Section under Federal Utilities the Power Co.,
a
Delaware
utilities
of on corporation the electric State and of organized gas and business carrying laws in
and Wyoming.
business office at
South the States Dakota of Montana, North Minneapolis with Dakota its
an order
$350,000.00 of
the Minnesota, principal issuance seeking of three authorizing unsecured equal
Purchase
Money Notes in
installments on or before April 1. 1943.
January 1. 1944, and October 1. 1944. the
and bearing interest at
of cent per
in the
more rate respectively, fully 2 1/2 appears per annum: application all on as
file with the Commission.
FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941
desiring to be heard or to
in reference
make Any any person protest the to 15th said
application should, on or before
1941, file
Commission a
day eral of Power August. with with the petition Commis- the Fed- or
protest in accordance
sion's Rules of Practice and Regula-
tions.
(SEAL)
LEON M. FUQUAY,
Secretary.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5590:
10:34 a.Filed.
m.) July 31, 1941;
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION.
[File Nos 7-492 to 7-511, inclusive]
IN THE MATTER OF APPLICATIONS BY THE
CHICAGO STOCK EXCHANGE To EXTEND
UNLISTED TRADING PRIVILEGES TO
TWENTY (20) STOCKS
ORDER DISPOSING OF APPLICATIONS FOR PER-
Martin Company $1 Par Value Common
Stock: Nash-Kelvinator Corporation $5
Par Value Capital Stock: New York
Central Railroad Company Capital Stock,
No Par Value: Paramount Pictures, Inc.
$1 Par Value Common Stock: Pullman,
Inc. Capital Stock, No Par Value; Pure
Oil Company Common Stock, No Par
Value: Radio Corporation of America
Common Stock, No Par Value: Republic
Steel Corporation Common Stock, No
Par Value; Standard Brands, Inc. Common Stock, No Par Value: Standard Oil
Company (New Jersey) $25 Par Value
Capital Stock: Studebaker Corporation
$1 Par Value Common Stock: United
States Rubber Company $10 Par Value
Common Stock: and Yellow Truck &
Coach Manufacturing Company $1 Par
Value Class B Stock.
By the Commission
FRANCIS P. BRASSOR,
(SEAL)
Secretary.
(F. R. Doc. 41-5598 Filed, July 31, 1941;
11:45 a. m.)
MISSION TO EXTEND UNLISTED TRADING
on the 30th day of July, A. D. 1941.
The Chicago Stock Exchange having
made application to the Commission,
pursuant to section 12 (f) of the Securi-
ties Exchange Act of 1934 and Rule
X-12F-1, for permission to extend un-
listed trading privileges to twenty
securities: and
After appropriate notice a hearing
having been held in this matter in Chicago, Illinois; and
The Commission having this day made
and filed its findings and opinion herein:
It is ordered, Pursuant to section 12 (f)
of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934,
that the instant applications of such ex-
change be and the same are hereby
granted by the Commission permitting
the applicant exchange to extend unlisted trading privileges to the American
Radiator & Standard Sanitary Corporation Common Stock, No Par Value: Anaconda Copper Mining Company $50 Par
Value Common Stock: Atchison, Topeka
& Santa Fe Railway Company $100 Par
Value Common Stock; Bethlehem Steel
Corporation Common Stock, No Par
Value: Curtiss-Wright Corporation $1
[File No. 70-363
IN THE MATTER OF CONSOLIDATED ELECTRIC
AND GAS COMPANY
NOTICE REGARDING FILING
At a regular session of the Securities
and Exchange Commission, held at its
office in the City of Washington D. C.,
on the 31st day of July, A. D. 1941.
Notice is hereby given that a declaration or application (or both). has been
filed with this Commission pursuant to
the Public Utility Holding Company Act
of 1935 by the above-named party or
parties; and
therein proposed. which are summarized
below:
Consolidated Electric and Gas Company. a registered holding company,
proposes to sell to Southeastern Indiana
Power Co., an Indiana corporation the
following described securities of its subsidiary. Hoosier Public Utility Company:
(a) 17,270 shares of the Common Capital Stock of no par value:
(b) $318,750 principal amount of 6%
10-Year Note, dated July 1. 1935 and due
July 1945; and
(c) $150,000 principal amount of the
First Mortgage 5% Sinking Fund Bonds,
due December 1, 1954. with all unmatured coupons appertaining thereto attached.
The purchase price to be paid for the
foregoing securities Is the sum of the
(a) One Million One Hundred Thousand Dollars ($1,100,000)
(b) Interest on the Note and Bonds
described above, accrued to date of clos-
ing and unpaid: and
(c) An amount equal to the net earnings of Hoosier Public Utility Company
applicable to the Common Stock of
Hoosier Public Utility Company described above, from January 1. 1941 to
the date of closing. less an amount equal
to the total amount of all payments made
by Hoosier Public Utility Company to
Consolidated Electric and Gas Company
during the period from January 1. 1941
to the date of closing. representing divi-
dends paid on the Common Stock of
Hoosier Public Utility Company de-
of his interest, or may request that he
be notified if the Commission should
order a hearing thereon. At any time
thereafter such declaration or applica-
Trustee under the Collateral Trust Indenture of Central Gas and Electric
Company securing its Collateral Trust
tion, as filed or as amended, may become
effective or may be granted, as provided
in Rule U-23 of the Rules and Regulations promulgated pursuant to said Act
or the Commission may exempt such
transaction as provided in Rules U-20
(a) and U-100 thereof. Any such re-
tric Company Common Stock, No Par
Value: Interlake Iron Corporation Com-
quest should be addressed: Secretary,
Securities and Exchange Commission,
No.149-5
for a statement of the transactions
Notice is further given that any interested person may, not later than August
15, 1941, at 4:45 p. m., E. S. T., request
the Commission in writing that a hearing be held on such matter, stating the
reasons for such request and the nature
Par Value Common Stock: General Elec-
mon Stock, No Par Value; Glenn L.
All interested persons are referred to
said declaration or application. which is
on file in the office of said Commission,
following:
PRIVILEGES
At a regular session of the Securities
and Exchange Commission, held at its
office in the City of Washington, D. C.,
3855
Washington, D.C.
scribed above.
The foregoing securities are now
pledged with the City National Bank and
Trust Company of Chicago, Successor
Bonds, due 1946, (assumed by Consolidated Electric and Gas Company). and
the proceeds representing said purchase
price will be applied to acquire and retire such Collateral Trust Bonds.
By the Commission.
(SEAL)
FRANCIS P. BRASSOR
Secretary.
(F. R Doc. 41-5599; Filed July 31. 1941;
11:45 a. m.)
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AUE 1 1941
Henorable Charles B. Henderson,
Chairman of the Board,
Reconstruction Finance Corporation,
Washington, D. C.
Dear Mr. Henderson:
This will acknowledge the receipt of your letter
of July 28, 1941, requesting that the sum of $12,000,000,
referred to in the President's Allocation No. 31, be made
available to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation.
Since Allocation No. 31 was made against a con-
tract authorisation rather than cash, it was necessary to
request the Bureau of the Budget to make arrangements for
an allocation of cash to carry out the agreement referred
to in your letter. A copy of the Treasury's letter to the
Bureau of the Budget is enclosed for your information and
files.
Very sincerely yours,
(Signed) D. W. BELL
Under Secretary of the Treasury.
Enclosure
EFBimlm 8/1/41
mr. contells
offer has complet
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JUL 31 1941
My dear Mr. Smiths
Under date of October 4. 1940, the President issued allecation No. 31 in the amount of $12,000,000 to the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation from his contract authorization contained in
the Military Appropriation Act of 1941, approved June 13, 1940,
to cover transportation and storage expenses in connection with
the establishment of a recerve supply of weel.
There is enclosed herewith a letter from the Chairman of
the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, dated July 28, 1941, n
questing that arrangements be made for making the funds avail.
able.
In a telephone conversation today, the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation has indicated that approximately 44,000,000
has already been disbursed by the Defense Supplies Corporation
and that the balance will be disbursed between this date and
December 31, 1941, or thereabouts.
Is would be appreciated, therefore, if arrangements
should be made to have a deah allocation of $12,000,000 made
to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation for the purpose
indicated.
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In view of the fast that the funds of the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation are not carried in the appropriation accounts
upon the books of the Treasury, is is suggested that the letter
of allocation carry a provision reading substantially as follows:
"The allocation contained herein shall be made avail.
able to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation
through a check to be drewn on the Treasurer of the
United States by the Chief Disbursing Officer,
Division of Disbursement, upon requisition of the
Chairman.'
Very truly yours,
(Signed) D. W BELL
Under Secretary of the Treasury
Henorable Harold D. Smith,
Director of the Durean of the Budget,
Washington, D. C.
Enclosure
EFB:HBW
7/30/41
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RECONSTRUCTION FINANCE CORPORATION
WASHINGTON
CHARLES B HENDERSON
CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
July 28, 1941
Ny dear Mr. Secretary:
Under date of October 4, 1940, the President issued
Allocation No. 31 in the amount of $12,000,000 to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation from his Contract Authorization
contained in the Military Appropriation Act of 1941, approved
June 13, 1940. The purpose of this Allocation, as stated
therein, is to provide for the establishment of adequate reserve supplies of materials determined by the President to be
essential to the national defense.
Under date of October 4, 1940, the President by letter
to the Federal Loan Administrator, copy of which is enclosed
for your information, declared wool to be essential to the
national defense and authorized the Administrator to provide
for the establishment of an adequate reserve of this material.
Under date of December 9, 1940, letters were exchanged
between the American Charge d'Affaires ad interim at London
and British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, which
lotters constitute an agreement between the Government of the
Unitra States and the Government of the United Kingdom for
the transcortation and storage in the United States of
250,000,000 pounds of British-owned Australian wool as a
strategic reserve for the United States Government against
possible emergency shortage of wool supplies in this coun-
try. The agreement, a copy of which is enclosed for your information, provides that the Government of the United States,
or an Agency acting in its behalf, shall be responsible for
the trans ortation and storage of the mool in this country and
shall have an option to purchase such wool.
Defence Supplies Corporation, which is a subsidiary of
the Reconstruction Finance Corporation created pursuant to
Section 5d of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Act, as
enended, has been desimated as the Agency to act on behalf of
the United States Government in transporting and storing the
wool as provided in the agreement. Defense Supplies Corporation
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housing facilities in this country for its storage. Up to the
present time all expenses incident to this transaction have been
paid by Defense Supplies Corporation from its own funds, and it
is essential that such Corporation be reimbursed immediately for
its expenditures in order that it may have funds available for
carrying on its other activities. Likewise, additional funds
must be made available so that future expenses arising in connection with the transportation and storage of such wool may be
paid when and as they become due.
In view of the above facts, you are hereby requested to
take such action as may be necessary to make the funds provided
for in the President's Allocation No. 31 available to Reconstruetion Finance Corporation as soon as possible.
Sincerely yours,
Chairman
The Honors ble
The Secretary of the Treasury
Eashington, D. C.
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6
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
.
OCT 4 1940
My dear Mr. Administrator:
Reference is made to the allocation of
$12,000,000 from my Emergency Fund which I
have today approved to the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation.
(contract
anthonyation
This is to advise you that I have determined wool to be essential to the national
defense, and you are, therefore, authorised
to provide for the establishment of an adequate
reserve of this material.
Sincerely yours,
Honorable Jesse Jones,
Administrator,
Federal Loan Agency,
Washington, D. C.
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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
For the Press
December 10, 1940
No. 522
The following notes were exchanged between the
American Charge Affaires ad interim at London and
the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs
on December 9, 1940, under which a strategic reserve
of Australian wool is to be established in the United
States.
From the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs
to the American Charge d'Affaires ad interim at London
Foreign Office,
S. W. one,
9th December, 1940
No. W11985/79/49
Sir:
I have the honour to inform you that in order to
to establish in the United States a reserve of
enable the Government of the United States of America
Australian wool against a possible cmergency shortage
of wool supplies in the United States, the Government
of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland are prepared to enter into an agreement with
the Government of the United States in the following
terms:
(1) The Government of the United Kingdom
shall make available to the United States Governmont (or an agency acting on its behalf)
two hundred and fifty million pounds of
Australian wool as a strategic reserve for the
United States Government against a possible
shortage of wool supplies in the
Statos. The wool shall be
where it shall stored
The Government the
United to emergency in bondod the United warehouses. States transported be of
United Kingdom shall retain title to the wool,
but All or any part of the wool may be purchased
by the United Statos Government (or an agency
acting on its behalf) for uso in the United
States or may be sold to the United States
domostic trade, if and when it has been
doterminod by the United States Government
that an emergency ahortage of weel oxists in
the United States.
(2) The
(2) The Government of the United Kingdom
may withdraw wool from the reserve for shipment to the United Kingdom or other British
territory in the case of emergency shortage
of supplies in such territory, or in the
contingency of an interruption of wool textile
production in the United Kingdom for the manufacture of textiles in the United States to
meet United Kingdom emergency textile requirements, provided that (a) replacements for wool
80 withdrawn are on the way to the United
States and (b) at no time the total of the
reserve in the United States is temporarily
depleted by more than twenty per cont by such
withdrawals.
(3) At any time after the signing of a
general armistice between the United Kingdom
and Germany, the Government of the United
Kingdom shall be at liberty to dispose of the
wool remaining in the reserve, but the United
States Government and the Government of the
United Kingdom shall consult together with a
view to ensuring that the disposal of any
such wool in the United States shall be
effected under conditions which will avoid a
dislocation of normal wool marketing there.
(4) The wool for the reserve shall be
made available by the Government of the United
Kingdom f.o.b. at Australian ports, and the
United States Government (directly or through
an agency acting on its bohalf) shall thereafter accept responsibility for the safe custody
of the wool and shall pay transport, handling,
storago, insurance including war risk, and
other charges in connexion with the establish-
ment and maintenance of the wool reserve. Payments shall be made betwoon the United States
Government and the Government of the United
Kingdom on sale of wool from the resorve to
offset any savings secured by the Government
of the United Kingdom owing to the wool having
been transported to and stored in the United
Statos by the United States Government and any
loss incurred by the Government of the United
Kingdom by reason of depreciation in the value
of the wool stored in the United States as a
result of deterioration of the wool or by reason
of the position in which the wool is stored in
the United States, provided that (a) in the case
of salos in the United States no payment shall
be
be made which would reduce the receipts by the
Government of the United Kingdom for the wool
in question below the amount which would have
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been received on sale f.o.b. Australia at the
same date, and (b) in the case of sales out-
side the United States any payments as between
the two Governments shall not involve the
Government of the United Kingdom in any net
expenditure of United States dollars in respect
thereof.
(5) It is tentatively agreed that the
250,000,000 pounds of Australian wool which
will be made available by the Government of
the United Kingdom for the reserve shall be
composed of the following: 270,000 bales of
58/60s of types normally imported into the
United States and of good topmaking Bradford
styles; 290,000 bales of 60s and fincr of
types normally imported into the United States
and of good topmaking Bradford styles; 190,000
bales of 60s and finer of good to average
Bradford styles; balance (to make up 250,000,000
pounds) of 60s and finor of average Bradford
styles; two thirds of all the 60s and finer
wools to consist of 64/60s. The counts are as
normally understood in the United States.
Although this tentative agreement on grades and
types is subject to modification following
consultation between the two Governments after
examination of samples of the wool by the United
States authorities, it shall become definitivo
if the examination of samples indicates that the
grades and types of wool included in the above
mentioned general categories are such that they
could be readily used in American mills without interruption of or delays in the production
of the mills. It is understood that the Government of the United Kingdom in estimating the
quantities evailable for the reserve have
provided for the retention of sufficient supplies
in Australia to ensure that the commercial
demnnd can be mot. It is also understood that
both the total quantity ostimated to be available
for the reserve after providing for sales abroad
and shipments to the United Kingdom, and the
distribution by types and descriptions, have
been based upon the results of the 1939-40 clip,
and that should the results of the 1940-41 clip
differ it may be necessary to vary the supply
for the reserve.
(6) Space on established British shipping
lines running between Australia and the United
Statos shall be used for the transport of the
wool so far as available. The woolimill be hade
available in Australia as rapidly as possible,
provided that the sale of wool from Australia on
commercial account or its shipment to the Wool
Control in the United Kingdom or Canada shall
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not be prejudiced, and every endeavour shall
be made to complete the allocations in Australia
by the end of March 1941.
2. If the Government of the United States are prepared to accept the foregoing provisions, I have the
honour to propose that the present note and your reply
to that effect be regarded as constituting an agreement
between the two Governments which shall come into force
immediately.
I have the honour to be, with high consideration,
Sir, your obedient servant,
HALIFAX
From the American Charge d'Affaires ad interim at London
to the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs
London,
December 9, 1940
No: 2662
My Lord:
I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your
note no. W11985/79/49 of December 9, 1940, in which Your
Lordship is good enough to inform mo that in order to
enable the Government of the United States of America to
establish in the United States a reserve of Australian
wool against a possible emergency shortage of wool supplics in the United States the Government of the United
Kingdom of Grent Britain and Northern Ircland is prepared
to enter into nn agreement with the Government of the
United States in the following torms:
[(1) to (6) are identical with those under the same
numbers in the British note.
In reply to numbered paragraph two of Your Lordship's
note, I have the honor to confirm under instructions of
my Government that Your Lordship's statement of our understanding as set forth above is agreed to by my Government
and that the present exchange of notes is to be regarded
as constituting an agreement between the two Governments
which shall come into force immedintely.
I have the honor to be, with the highest considera-
tion, My Lord, your most obedient, humble servant,
HERSCHEL V. JOHNSON
Charge d'Affaires ad interim
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE August 1, 1941
TO
Mr. White
EMB.
FROM G. A. Eddy
gae
Subject: Summary and analysis of "A Deferred Income Plan."
A proposal to help prevent inflation by increasing purchases of
Government bonds out of individual and corporation incomes is being advocated
by a long list of representative economists, including many who have been
sympathetic to this administration.
Essence is to neutralize some income till after emergency
The gist of the plan is simply to divert more of the public's receipts
of cash income into Government bonds, before the funds can compete for the
limited supply of consumers' goods. The money will be returned for the public
to spend after the defense period is ended.
The statement advocates increased taxation in addition to these bond
purchases. It says, however, that taxation alone will not suffice, since there
must be incentives for business and workers to put forth the extra effort needed
for defense, since the low-paid should be allowed to benefit from their enlarged
earnings, and since the whole burden cannot be borne by taxation on middle and
upper incomes.
Details left vague but need for compulsion is indicated
The statement, which is only two pages long, offers the alternative of
making the bond buying compulsory, or of leaving it voluntary. The former would
be legislation requiring purchases in relation to individual incomes, on a
progressive scale. This form of the proposal is fundamentally the same as Mr.
Keynes' Compulsory Savings Plan. It is perhaps hoped that it will be more
acceptable under the name of "Deferred Income," with no mention of Mr. Keynes.
The voluntary arrangement, it is suggested, could.be a master pact between employers and employees, supplemented by cooperation from independent business
men and farmers.
quate.
The statement expresses doubt that voluntary participation will be adeIt believes that compulsion will be necessary.
The statement contradicts itself concerning what income is intended to
be neutralized in buying bonds. At some points it speaks of segregating in the
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form of bonds the increases in incomes due to armament expenditures. At
others it speaks of making the bond purchases like a tax, affecting incomes
much lower than the present personal income tax exemptions, and affecting
larger incomes progressively. This would neutralize parts of all existing
incomes, whether or not they were increased from their pre-war level.
In at least three respects the proposed bonds differ from the present
Savings Bonds: (1) It is apparently intended that they should not be redeemable by the owners except in case of emergency. (2) They are to mature after
the emergency rather than after 10 years. (3) No limit is mentioned on the
amount which can be bought each year by individuals or companies.
Nothing is said concerning the rate of interest.
No details are given concerning the amounts which might be required
to be purchased by persons in the different income brackets or concerning
several other important points in any compulsory plan.
Comments:
1. If the voluntary form of the proposal is chosen, it would differ
only in detail from an intensification of the present Savings Bonds campaign.
The bonds would differ in the three respects mentioned two paragraphs above.
There might be more formal arrangements and more pressure for buying bonds.
2. The economists' statement does not contribute much to the critical
question which the Treasury has been facing for a number of months, i.e., the
degree of pressure which ought to be put behind the Savings Bond campaign.
The proposal does not discuss or even mention the factors which have 80 far
caused the adoption of a voluntary basis, such as: (a) the hardship of compulsion on some individuals who require all their income to cover their obligations; (b) the desirability of having persons emerging from the lowest
income groups spend more money on food, housing, clothing, medical care,
education, etc.; (c) the legal difficulties of compulsion, including the
relation of income invested in Savings Bonds to the income tax; (d) the
general desirability of voluntary cooperation over governmental coercion.
Compulsion must be considered at much greater length than in this statement
before it is adopted, rejected, or modified.
3. Although desirable above certain limits, it seems undesirable to
urge all increases in income to be neutralized. The distribution of income is
probably more socially equable now than it was in 1939 or 1940. The recommendation to neutralize all increases of incomes above the pre-defense-period
level would prolong the advantageous relative position of those who were poorly very
well paid then and the disadvantageous position of those who were very allowed
paid or unemployed then. Increases in current consumption should be low income
for those who have increased their income but are still in the very
groups.
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UNIVERSITY DEPPINNSYLVANIA
Ireasury
PHILADEMPHIA
Dekin
WHARTON SCHOOL OF
FINANCE AND COMMERCE
July 22, 1941
The Honorable Franklin D. Roosevelt
Executive Offices
Washington, D. C.
Sir:
I have the honor to submit herewith a memorandum on
a proposed Deferred Income Plan for financing armament expenditures by means of compulsory savings. This document has
been circulated among a select group of American economists and
of the American
has endorsement. the are
F. Fisher,
F. A. Mills, C. Mitchell,
Sprague, and the current President of the American
five O.M.W. A. received former Fetter, presidents enthusiastic Irving Economic Among Wesley Association: signers
Statistical Association, Winfield W. Riefler.
Attached is a complete list of signers of this
memorandum.
Respectfully yours,
Hans P. Neissen
or
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A DEFERRED INCOME PLAN
If serious inflationary disturbances are to be avoided in this country,
prompt and decisive action is urgently called for. The bases of the present critical situation are as follows. The expansion of armament production results in a
considerable increase in money incomes of large classes of the population, primarily of workers and business men who directly or indirectly benefit from armament or-
ders. Desirable as it would be, the necessities of armament render it impossible
to raise the average standard of living in proportion to the rise in money income.
Indeed, we shall be fortunate if average real income is not actually reduced as
idle resources, human and material, are more and more absorbed into the defense effort, and as some of the resources now devoted to civilian consumption are diverted
to armament purposes.
Unless the proper steps are taken to prevent it, the impact of a sharply
rising money income on a limited or possibly declining volume of goods and services
available for civilian consumption must inevitably bring about an inflationary rise
in prices, which would deprive business men and workers of a very large part of the
benefits from a rising money income, and would lay a heavy burden upon those groups
which are not able to increase their money income. Moreover, such an inflationary
rise in prices would be likely to accentuate the danger of a severe post-armament
depression, creating widespread misery among classes now benefited by the defense
program.
The logical solution for this situation would appear to be the introduc-
tion of a Deferred Income Plan. The purpose of such a plan would be to neutralize,
for the time being, the additional private purchasing power created by armament expenditure, and to make the purchasing power available to the present owners in a
later period when it might reasonably be expected to result in additional consumption.
The essential features of such a plan would be:
(a) The withdrawal of most of the current increase in incomes from the
receivers of the income.
(b) The transfer of the funds so withdrawn to the government, presumably
by their conversion into government bonds.
(c) Prohibition of the use of these bonds as collateral for bank loans
except in case of personal emergency.
(d) The transfer of the funds back to private hands and their release as
purchasing power after the present armament boom.
Two methods for putting the plan into effect might be used; it could and be
done either by legislation alone or by a voluntary agreement between workers the
business men, supplemented by legislative measures. In the first case, should plan
would require loans from all recipients of net income above a minimum that this be
set at a much lower level than is provided in the present Federal income tax; taxes
loan would be graduated according to net income, and would be additional to
now or hereafter imposed.
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AS an alternative to this compulsory method, a voluntary plan, embodying
the same essential features, might be employed. Under the voluntary arrangement,
a master agreement between workers and business men is suggested, which would
tain only to the current increase in purchasing power, and thus would not encroach perupon the standard of living of those not benefiting from armament expenditures.
The workers would contribute to the success of the plan by accepting payment in
government bonds for a large part of their additional income from longer working
hours, overtime pay, and riseu in the basic wage schedule. Business men would
make their contribution by investing their increased profits in government bonds.
Likewise, farmers and other income receivers might be induced, perhaps by supplementary legislation, to buy government bonds out of any increase in net income accruing to them.
While a voluntary plan such as this would be preferable if it could be
made effective, the difficulty of securing adequate participation would be very
great, and would probably make it necessary to rely on the compulsory solution.
A deferred income plan such as is proposed here is the most satisfactory
method of averting the danger of inflation. It does not imply that additional
taxation can be avoided. But it is certain that taxation alone could not be relied upon to prevent inflation.
To impose a 100% tax on additional profits would weaken
the business man's incentive to effect economies in armament
production.
To tax away completely the increment in money incomes of
the lower income classes without reimbursing them in the future
would be a grave injustice to a class which, as a whole, has not
yet attained an adequate standard of living, and might also undermine incentives to effective work on the defense program.
To leave the lower income classes free from any new levy
while attempting to escape inflation would impose an unreason=
able tax burden on the middle income classes, since it would be
necessary to offset the increase in incomes in the lower brackets
by a nearly equivalent reduction of incomes in the middle brack-
ets. Such a reduction of the standard of living of the middle
income classes is both impracticable and politically dangerous.
It would be impracticable because of the difficulty of effecting
so sudden and so substantial a reduction in the standard of living of the bulk of middle income receivers. Consequently, they
would be likely to draw on reserves to maintain their standard of
living, thus defeating for the time being the aim of limiting consumer purchasing power. It would be politically dangerous because an attempt to lower drastically the standard of living of
one class, at a time when the standard of certain other classes is
rising sharply, could not fail to foster class antagonism and disrupt national unity.
Without in any way prejudicing the case for additional taxation in other
forms, the undersigned economists recommend that the Congress give immediate con-
sideration to a plan of deferred income along lines indicated above, with a view
to its early adoption.
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E. E. Agger
Eugen Altschul
James Washington Bell
Richard M. Bissell,Jr.
Raymond T. Bowman
Elmer C. Bratt
Vm. Adams Brown, Jr.
Alfred G. Buehler
Arthur F. Burns
Raymond T. Bye
William J. Carson
Lester V. Chandler
Denzel C. Cline
Arthur G. Coons
M. M. Daugherty
Ritgers University
University of Minnesota
Northwestern University
Yale University
University of Pennsylvania
Lehigh University
Brown University
University of Pennsylvania
Rutgers University
University of Pennsylvania
University of Pennsylvania
Amheret College
Michigan State College
Claremont College
Joel Dean
University of Delaware
University of Chicago
J. Frederic Dewhurst
Twentieth Century Fund
Walter Egle
Howard S. Ellis
R. T. Ellsworth
Solomon Fabricant
Elmer D. Fagan
Ohio State University
University of California
University of Cincinnati
National Bureau of Economic Research
Stanford University
Arthur Feiler
New School of Social Research
Frank A. Fetter
Clyde Olin Fisher
Irving Fisher
Princeton University
H. LaRue Frain
Herbert F. Fraser
Paul F. Gemmill
Frank D. Graham
Gottfried Hsberler
Ernest H. Hahne
C. 0. Hardy
S. E. Harris
Wesleyan University
Yale University
University of Pennsylvania
Swarthmore College
University of Pennsylvania
Princeton University
Harvard University
Northwestern University
Brookings Institution
Edward Heimann
Harvard University
New School for Social Research
William V. Hewett
University of Cincinnati
Calvin B. Hoover
M. H. Hunter
Neil H. Jacoby
Frank H. Knight
Simon S. Kuznets
V. V. Leontief
Richard A. Lester
Harry J. Loman
William N. Loucks
Fritz Machlup
F. K. Mann
James W. Martin
Edward S. Mason
Max Millikan
Frederick C. Mills
Duke University
University of Illinois
University of Chicago
University of Chicago
University of Pennsylvania
Harvard University
Duke University
University of Pennsylvania
University of Pennsylvania
University of Buffalo
Washington, D. C.
University of Kentucky
Harvard University
Yale University
Columbia University
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Columbia University
Harvard University
University of Wisconsin
University of Pennsylvania
Wesley C. Mitchell
A. E. Monroe
Walter A. Morton
Hans P. Neisser
Vassar College
Mabel Newcomer
Brookings Institution
E. G. Nourse
Yale University
Eugene Oakes
Ernest M. Patterson
S. Howard Patterson
University University of Pennsylvania
of Pennsylvania
University of Pennsylvania
Duke University
W. C. Plummer
B. U. Ratchford
Lloyd P. Rice
Dartmouth College
Winfield W. Riefler
R. G. Rodkey
Karl Scholz
Elizabeth B. Schumpeter
Institute for Advanced Studies
University of Michigan
University of Pennsylvania
Cambridge, Mass.
Edward C. Simmons
O.M.W. Sprague
College of City of New York
University of Michigan
Harvard University
Rutgers University
Willard L. Thorp
New York University
Dun & Bradstreet
General Motors Corporation
J. Philip Mernette
University of Michigan
Harvard University
Yale University
William J. Shultz
J. Wilner Sundelson
Paul Studenski
Rufus S. Tucker
Leonard L. Watkins
Ray B. Westerfield
K. M. Williamson
Wesleyan University
Charles R. Whittlesey
University of Pennsylvania
Ralph A. Young
University of Pennsylvania
William Withers
10#
SECBER
Queens College
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August 1, 1941
Herbert Gaston
Secretary Morgenthau
Please give me a report Monday on what has been
done in regard to the President's request that we
investigate various members of the OPM. Do we simply
investigate people that they take on or do we investigate everybody as to their income taxes? Please let
me have a short report on just what we have been doing,
how many men are working on it, how many reports they
file with us, how many have been completed, and how
many uncompleted reports we have on hand; also how many
reports are turned out each week. You might make this
up to the first of August, and from now on let me have
a report on this once a month.
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TO
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
UNITED STATES COAST GUARD
WASHINGTON
HEADQUARTERS
1 August, 1941.
MEMORANDUM FOR: Secretary Morgenthan.
In accordance with your request there is appended hereto
an analysis of Coast Guard Reservists in regard to number, ages,
1.
employment and experience.
annua he
R. R. WAESCHE.
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ANALYSIS OF COAST GUARD RESERVISTS
Number in Service
Number of
as of 31 July, 1941
Rank or Grade
issioned officers - Reg.
ssioned officers - Temp.
draft age
77
64
26
6
Nautical Experience
Seagoing
Small
16
5
0
Hef Warrant - Regular
Hef Warrant - Temporary
rrant - Regular
rrant - Temporary
listed - Regular
listed - Temporary
0
0
3
15
0
152
25
332
254
0
0
2
0
1
0
10
4
48
0
21
0
6
162
None
61
1
1
1
Total
0
Craft
5
4
35
1
47
110
44
0
186
111
FORMER EMPLOYMENT
Comm.
Comm.
Officers
Regular
an
1
erical
Officers
Chief
Warrant
Temp.
Temp.
Warrant
Regular
11
30
17
ayer
Warrant
Temp.
3
1
6
Enlisted
Regular
41
10
95
55
11
90
1
1
7
ilder
2
7
17
4
2
exist
Total
Temp.
2
3
4
riner
Enlisted
6
1
10
40
7
2
2
corer
11
Insultant
4
15
1
1
actrician
2
1
2
5
acher
3
3
eveyor
to Driver
ch. Engineer
iter
terinarian
4
3
1
2
2
8
1
2
3
16
3
1
1
2
2
rmer
4
1
gger
1
2
1
2
1
1
umber
1
1
Employed
1
2
16
9
31
48
332
3
Total
77
26
1
3
15
162
111
A candidate for appointment as a commissioned officer - regular
Reserve - must pass a written examination in Navigation, Seamanship,
and English Composition, must have sufficient practical experience in
the operation of motorboats or yachts or on seagoing vessels to justify
the appointment, and in addition must be physically qualified. Examinations for chief warrant and warrant officers are comparable to the
scopes for similar ranks in the regular Coast Guard, except that they
do not include subjects peculiar to the Coast Guard.
Temporary commissioned and warrant officers are appointed on the
recommendation of District Commanders from members of the Auxiliary
whose boats are offered and accepted by the Coast Guard.
Enlistments, regular and temporary, are made by District Commanders
in ratings dependent on experience and ability of the applicant.
Regular members of the Reserve are exempt by law from training and
service under the Selective Service and Training Act. Temporary members
are not exempt from such training.
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CONFIDENTIAL
UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS
Sales since May 1, 1941, by Months
On Basis of Issue Price
(In thousands of dollars)
June
July
:
:
:
:
:
Total
:
Series F - Banks
Series G - Banks
May
:
:
Series E - Total
:
Series E - Banks
:
Series E - Post Offices
:
Total
:
Item
$ 42,836
$ 40,788
214,190
57,745
61,729
348,373
94,052
564,053
100,581
37,817
211,420
102,517
28,876
183,134
145,274
27,359
169,498
$1,006,477
$349,818
$314,527
$342,132
$ 134,183
Office of the Secretary of the Treasury,
Division of Research and Statistics.
$ 50,558
94,717
August 1, 1941.
Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States
Note:
on account of proceeds of sales of United States Savings Bonds.
Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not
necessarily add to totals.
MR. GRAVES' OFFICE TO
(
113
S CHAUNCEY:
In accordance with your instructions of yesterday, I have
on for
asked the Defense Savings people
to discontinue the daily reports
the post of"Any
card Bonds
requests
copies
To-Day?"
Do you want the reports on
the daily stamp sales at Treasury
House" to continue?
MFF
8/2
8/4/41
I asked Mr. Morgenthau today whether
wanted the daily stamp sales
and while.
r
to
"Treasury he said that House' he did continue, for a
I so informed Miss Finucane.
Mrs. McHugh
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON
August 1, 1941
Memorandum for THE SECRETARY:
The following report is made of Stamp sales
at "Treasury House":
July 1-30
$22,494.75
July 31
1,190.15
Total
$23,684.90
GRAVES
115
0
P
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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON
In reply refer to
August 1, 1941.
EA
My dear Mr. Secretary:
I enclose two copies of telegram No. 3319, dated
July 31, 1941, from the American Embassy at London,
containing a personal and strictly confidential message
for you from Ambassador Winant.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Herbert Feis
Herbert Feis
Adviser on International
Economic Affairs
Enclosure:
From Embassy, London,
No. 3319, July 31, 1941.
The Honorable
Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
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GRAY
London
Dated July 31, 1941
Rec'd. 12:35 p.m.
Secretary of State,
Washington.
3319, July 31, 6 p.m.
PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL TO ACTING SECRETARY
FOR SECRETARY MORGENTHAU.
In reference to my telegram 3310, July 31 I
think you should know that accompanying the official
copy of the statement from the Chancellor I have
received the enclosed letter.
"I enclose copies of the statement which we
discussed this morning. I assume that unless you
have any further suggestions to make you will telegraph
the text to Washington and will ascertain if it is
satisfactory to the President.
The change in our export policy will require
the issue and publication of orders by the Board of
Trade and they naturally would like to know as quickly
as possible if they are to go ahead on the basis of
the statement. They would like if possible to make
the necessary orders at the beginning of next week.
117
- -2Should therefore be grateful if you would let
me know as soon as you can the result of any
communication that you send to Washington.
In connection with the Board of Trade orders it
will be necessary for then to publish an explanation
of the new arrangements. They suggest that if you
see no objection they should use for this purpose the
text of the paragraphs in the enclosed memorandum
which deal with export policy. You will no doubt
let me know how it is proposed to use the memorandum.
Signed Kingsley Wood."
WINANT.
RR
Copytalm 8-1-41
new
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by Sery 8/15/41
London, August 1, 1941.
Dear Mr. Secretary,
I am sending you herewith a copy of
"Hansard" for July. . 29th containing the Prime
Minister's speech in the debate in the House
of Commons on production. I thought you
would like to have a copy sent to you direct.
Sincerely yours,
John a wmant
The Honorable
Henry Morganthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.
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29th July, 1941
Volume 373
No. 91
PARLIAMENTARY
DEBATES
HOUSE OF COMMONS
OFFICIAL REPORT
Contents
QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS.
SUPPLY (17th ALLOTTED DAY]:
Considered in Committee:
Ministry of Supply : Production.
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Mr. Levy: Does the Minister realise the
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Tuesday, 29th July, 1941.
OFFICIAL REPORT.
seriousness of this situation? No information has been received by this com-
pany that the notification was wrongly
interpreted. Does the Minister realise
that the chaotic situation is casting a very
grave reflection upon the Government as
as whole, apart from that which is cast
upon his Department, which is utterly
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.]
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
incompetent?
Mr. Grenfell: I do not know that I am
inclined to argue the latter part of the
now to
CARDIFF CORPORATION BILL [Lords].
hon. Gentleman's supplementary question.
No doubt the company have had a sub-
Read the Third time, and passed, with-
stantial quantity of coal in stock, and
out Amendment.
they will receive
of coal according
the full
measure
their requirements.
EAST WORCESTERSHIRE WATER BILL
[Lords].
As amended, considered
Ordered,
That Standing Orders 240 and 262 be
suspended. and that the Bill be now read the
Third time."-[The Chairman of Ways and
Mr. Levy: Have the company been informed that the notification was wrongly
interpreted and that they will receive coal,
in order to prevent anxiety among their
men? Otherwise, the company may have
to close down.
Mr. Grenfell: Full supplies are going
Means.)
Bill accordingly read the Third time,
and passed, with Amendments.
ORAL ANSWERS TO
QUESTIONS.
COAL INDUSTRY.
SUPPLIES.
forward.
8. Mr. Culverwell asked the Secretary
for Mines whether he is satisfied that all
public utility undertakings will have
enough coal with which to carry on
during the next six weeks?
Mr. Grenfell: I cannot give, an absolute
guarantee that all public utility undertakings can be supplied with coal enough for
the next six weeks. The average amount
I. Mr. Levy asked the Secretary for
Mines whether he is aware that a noti-
of coal in stock by public utility undertakings, gas, electricity and water, runs
fication has been sent to the Elland Dyeing
to about six weeks' supply at the summer
rate of consumption, but these stocks are
Company, Limited, stating that they will
not receive any further supply of coal for
the next eight weeks, and as they have
not sufficient stocks to last for that period,
to
on work
they although will engaged have close Government their works,
and a protected firm; and what action he
proposes to take to prevent this situation
occurring?
The Secretary for Mines (Mr. David
order to coal
for under-
Grenfell): urgently needed In public provide utility
a time
takings to reduce certain for collieries deliveries were instructed to con-
In the
case these were
lar sumers of in lower question priority. instructions particu-
wrongly interpreted to mean
the complete
mistake hasalready
suspension but
been corrected,
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not evenly distributed and there are a
number of them which do not hold a fortnight's stock at the present time. There
has been a marked increase in the rate of
stocking by public utilities-notably gas
works-in the past few weeks.
Mr. Culverwell: Is not the Minister
aware some of these
thata few
public
utilities will
have only
days'and
supply,
he not take drastic action to save them
from having to close down?
Mr. Grenfell: This situation has, unfortunately, been in existence for many
months throughout last winter, but no
undertaking of any kind has stopped for
want of coal since the beginning of the
war.
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Mr. Shinwell: If the supply of coal is
distributed as my
who is
has not evenly said, responsible hon. for Friend the
Sir W. Davison: Will some of this come
to Chelsea?
Mr. Grenfell: I hope so.
present situation?
Mr. Grenfell: It is impossible to convey
the desired quantities to the
various of the country. are
to make
good
in We places
coal now trying
in parts
those
stocks are lowest,
able to very
with a few weeks'
II. Major-General Sir Alfred Knox
asked the Secretary for Mines when a
sufficient supply of house coal will be
made available in the Easthampstead and
Wokingham rural districts of the county
of Berkshire?
to where be the report shortly and stocks I hope have that
to a level
places been raised
only commensurate with
other parts of the country.
Mr. Grenfell: From the information in
my can assure and
gallant
possession, Member I that during recent the hon. months
10. Sir William Davison asked the
Secretary for Mines whether he has con-
communication town
Chelsea out
hood of a serious shortage in
sidered clerk of a pointing from of the the coal likeli-
Chelsea during the coming winter months
ment recent
by reason of the failure of his Departmonths, to supply notwithstanding any coal the during fact that,
at the request of the Ministry, ample
storage accommodation approved by
them provided so that coal might be
available the
who had no
it themselves; and whether
steps will be taken to supply the coal
reserve promised to Chelsea over five
persons was during facilities coming for winter immediate storing for
months ago?
Mr. Grenfell: I am sending the hon.
Member a copy of the reply to the letter
from the town clerk of Chelsea. The
delay in increasing stocks in this and
other localities is of course due to the
been at
has
Berkshire has not suffered unduly as a
result of the reduction in available
supplies of house coal. The tonnage held
in stock by the merchants in May compares favourably with the corresponding
figures for previous months this year, and
disposals during the past three months
have exceeded the figures for the corres-
ponding period of last year. So far as
I am aware, sufficient coal has been available in the Easthampstead and Woking-
ham districts to meet current requirements. The future position will naturally
depend on the results of our continuing
efforts to increase production.
Sir A. Knox: Does the hon. Gentleman
agree that while the coal now being supplied is sufficient for current requirements
in the summer months, no reserve is
being built up for the winter, which will
be infinitely more difficult than last
winter, because people who want a lot
of coal and have not been able to acquire
stocks will then come into the market?
Mr. Grenfell: There are stocks, equal
Chelsea, general acquired shortage and I hope of St. supplies. it Mark's will be A College, possible site
before long to provide coal for it.
Sir W. Davison: Is my hon. Friend
aware that the facts as stated in the Question are vouched for by the town clerk in
a aware the
of We are not,
o-and a year in some ago. cases better than-those however,
more coal
if we can more
satisfied; we get want production, in stocks stock, and will
be correspondingly raised.
Sir John Mellor: Were not these dis-
are
persons no storage accommodapersons recent who for report, whom have and the is coal he is required that
tricts
tion in their homes?
and supplied
shouldby
not
hon. Friend
Colliery, formerly
themy
Tamworth
Mr. Grenfell: It is because I am so
anxious about the people who have no
stocking that storage of I have 3,000,000 accommodationtons
made provision on in for their Government the homes
account. There are now about one and
one-third million tons on Government
account, particularly for the people who
have no stocking accommodation of their
own.
be now considering the reopening of that
colliery?
Mr. Speaker: That does not arise on
this Question.
PIT-HEAD CANTEENS.
asked
for
is available for the
2. to Mines be Mr. made T. whether Smith any additional the provision Secretary money
of canteens at the various collieries?
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1941
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Mr. Grenfell: I would refer my hon.
Friend to the statement I made on this
subject in the House last Thursday. The
them to lose two shifts, because he alleged
they were 10 seconds too late; that this
allegation is denied; and what action he
matter is being pressed, and the necessary
legal amendments are being undertaken as
intends to take against the coal company?
soon as possible.
and am informed that the circumstances
have been considered by the pit production committee, which has endorsed the
Mr. Smith: Is it intended to get this
money? Will my hon. Friend see to this
matter and do his best to get the money
as quickly as possible?
Mr. Grenfell: I have made inquiries
action of the manager. If hon.
has
any on the
shall further information my matter, Friend
I be glad to discuss the question with
Mr. Grenfell: I rely very largely upon
the committee, the chairman of which is
a Member of this House. I am sure the
him.
committee is keen to do what it can, and
it has the full confidence of my Depart-
answer the Question whether he is aware
ment.
Mr. Smith: Will the money have to be
Mr. Sloan: Will the Minister please
that a violation has taken place of the
Essential Work Order, which gives employers no power whatever to suspend or
dismiss men for absenteeism?
found by this House?
Mr. Grenfell: It will not.
OUTPUT.
3. Mr. T. Smith asked the Secretary for
Mines what co-operation exists between the
Coal Production Council and the area
committees of the Ministry of Information
with regard to the appeals made to mineworkers for a maximum coal output?
Mr. Grenfell: In order to further the
appeals for maximum output, every effort
is made to maintain close co-operation
between the Coal Production Council and
its district production committees on the
one hand and the Ministry of Information
organisation throughout the country on the
other, both through the Ministry's headquarters in London and its regional information officers."
Mr. Smith: Is my hon. Friend aware
that there is no co-operation? Is he aware
that in Yorkshire the Coal Production
Council has been fixing a meeting and that
the Minister of Information did the same
in the same place and within days of
each other, without any consultation? Is
that not a waste of organisation power,
and ought there not to be the closest
co-operation?
POLQUHAIRN COLLIERY, DRONGAN.
5. Mr. Sloan asked the for
Mines whether
Secretary
he that,
is aware
on 25th
June, 1941, the manager of Polquhairn
Colliery, Drongan, contrary to the Essential Work Order, prevented two workmen
named Logan and Dungavel from proceeding to their work, thereby causing
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Mr. Grenfell: The answer I gave was
that I made inquiries of the pit production
committee because the committee is responsible for the decision taken.
Mr. Sloan: Is the Minister aware that
the only person who has power to deal
with the matter is the district officer, who
has never been called into question; and
is he further aware that the pit production
committee was not appointed by the men
at that colliery?
Mr. Grenfell: I hope my hon. Friend
will give me the facts privately, and I
will see what I can do. I did not know
those things at all.
Mr. Sloan: Very good, I will do so.
BONUS ATTENDANCE PAYMENT.
6. Mr. Tinker asked the Secretary for
Mines whether he is aware of the resolution carried at the Miners' Conference last
week protesting at the conditions applying
to the bonus attendance payment; and
what steps his Department are taking on
this question so as to bring about a more
satisfactory settlement?
Mr. Grenfell: I am aware of the resolution calling upon the Executive Committee of the Mineworkers' Federation of
Great Britain to take this question up with
representatives of the colliery owners; I
understand that a meeting between the
parties for this purpose has been arranged.
Mr. Tinker: Will the Minister not use
his good influence to impress upon coalowners that they should not be too hard?
Is he aware there is some feeling among
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[Mr. Tinker.]
the miners at what is happening and that
Mr.cases
Oliver:ofWhat
power exists to deal
with
this kind?
if it could be removed, a better spirit
would prevail?
Mr. Grenfell: I would like to see con-
ciliation
adopted
by should
both sides
in and order imthat a better
spirit
prevail
proved production result.
Mr. James Griffiths: Will the Minister
Mr. Grenfell: There are very extensive
an was to the
powers. If my hon. Friend can prove
production that attempt of coal in made war-time, limit I have
power enough to deal with the matter.
Mr. Oliver: I will see that the Minister
has the information.
make new efforts in this matter?
Mr. Grenfell: I hope it will be discussed
at the next meeting.
Mr. McGovern: Has not the Mineworkers' Federation agreed about this
matter?
reasons
run
motor
carstothat
will
Secretary give the boats for and Petroleum why motor it is necessary whether in order he
MINE ACCIDENTS.
7. Mr. Tinker asked the Secretary for
Mines whether his attention has been
drawn to the number of accidents at the
coal face being on the increase in proportion to the number of men employed
there; and whether he will cause a special
investigation to be made to find out
whether
to
caused
PETROL RATIONING.
12. Sir Waldron Smithers asked the
through it is due machinery the excessive which prevents noise
the miner from sensing the danger which
he would otherwise do?
Mr. Grenfell: I have to state with regret
that the rate of fatal accidents at the coal
face had gone up since the war. I have
been in consultation with the inspectors
on a number of occasions and am unable
to satisfy myself that we have found an
explanation of the cause of increase.
There are a number of factors operating
with greater effect in war time which contribute to the higher number of deaths.
A was
I am
similar proceeding result with observed close investigations in 1914-1918.
and will give the House fuller information
when we return after the Recess.
UNWORKED PROFITABLE SEAMS.
9. Mr. Oliver asked the Secretary
for Mines whether his attention has been
drawn to the fact that in some mines the
more profitable seams are not now being
worked in favour of the less profitable
seams not normally in production, result-
they shall be ready for use if and when
required for work of national importance?
The Secretary for Petroleum (Mr.
Geoffrey Lloyd): As I informed the hon.
Member on 22nd June, there are a number
of considerations of which the point he
refers to is one. Unless boats and cars
are maintained in service, it cannot be
expected that they should be in readiness
for immediate use should they be needed
for work of national importance.
Sir W. Smithers: While appreciating to
the full the wonderful service given at
Dunkirk and elsewhere by these boats,
would it not be quite sufficient if motor
cars and motor boats which are not absolutely necessary were turned over for 10
or 15 minutes a week and thus kept in
good running order?
Commander Sir Archibald Southby:
Is hon. Friend aware many
themy
whopeople
use thesethat
motor
carsof
and
motor boats are officers and men from
the Forces, home on leave and getting a
little very much needed relaxation?
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TRADE AND COMMERCE.
COTTON TEXTILE EXPORTS TO UNITED
STATES.
I3. Mr. Stokes asked the President of it
the Board of Trade, on what grounds
has been decided to be necessary to con-
ing in a loss of output; and whether he
tinue of cotton goods
can make any statement on the matter?
tiles to the the export United and America tex- of
Mr. Grenfell: I am not aware of the
practice referred to by the hon. Member.
If he has actual cases in mind, I shall
be glad to have particulars, in order that
inquiries may be made.
States of
where there is already a sufficiency
clothing?
Mr. Harcourt Johnstone (Secretary,
Department of Overseas Trade): Our need
for dollars is very great, and it is essential
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29 JULY 1941
the we
should make the fullest use we
that can of we export interfering capacity which with essential still
possess, without
home requirements.
Mr. Stokes: Will the hon. Gentleman
say how he reconciles this statement with
President Roosevelt's advice to his
countrymen to " cut out the dollar sign
and forget the financial nonsense," and
will he also say why he has considered it
advisable to export clothing from this
country, where we have too little, to
America, where they have too much?
Mr. Johnstone: I do not think those
points call a my
hon.
Friend for may say, reply. the Treasury's Whatever need
for dollars is still very great, and if the
United States wish to buy clothes which
we can manufacture and which are superfluous to our bare requirements, there is
are of
no reason why they should not be
exported.
Mr. Shinwell: Is it not the case that we
raw
producing materials manufactured supplied by goods the United out
States of America? Is that why?
Mr. Johnstone: No, Sir.
Mr. Shinwell: Are we not producing
cotton goods from American cotton?
Mr. Johnstone: No, Sir.
CLOTHES RATIONING.
14. Mr. A. Edwards asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he
is aware that a boy's school outfit requires
200 coupons which, in most cases, it is
quite impossible to provide; and what
steps he proposes to take to remedy this
anomaly?
The Parliamentary Secretary to the
Board of Trade (Captain Waterhouse):
I would refer the hon. Member to the
Reply which I gave to the hon. Member
for Pontypridd (Mr. Pearson) on 18th
June.
not what will
Mr. Edwards: Will the hon. and gallant
to with
take Gentleman
deal say this? steps The he Answer
referred to does not state what steps are
being taken.
Captain Waterhouse: It is hoped that
schools will modify their, in many cases,
unreasonable requirements to bring them
into line with present possibilities.
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Mr. Edwards: Does the hon. and
gallant Gentleman not realise that whatever modifications are made, there will
still be a shortage of coupons for children
going to school?
Captain Waterhouse: Already small
children get an advantage in the list
issued, and be
made for
we not contemplate provision for large school outfits.
special which children, has provision but been do there growing will
Sir Joseph Lamb: Can the hon. and
gallant Gentleman say what children are
not growing?
23. Mr. Henry Strauss asked the Presi-
dent Trade whether
arrived with
an extra of
decision regard of the to has Board yet been of issue at clothing any
coupons to expectant mothers to meet
their special needs for knitting wool and
other materials?
Captain Waterhouse: Yes, Sir. The
the
Board Ministry of of Trade, Health, in consultation the Scottish with Depart-
ment of Health and the Northern Ireland
Ministry of Home Affairs have secured
the co-operation of the local authorities
for maternity and child welfare in issuing
a special allowance of 50 coupons to
expectant mothers. The scheme will
come into force on 5th August, and full
details will be published in the Press
to-morrow.
EXPORT TRADE.
15. Mr. Hannah asked the President of
the Board of Trade whether he is satisfied
with the state of our export trade,
especially in view of markets after the
war?
Mr. Johnstone: My right hon. Friend
is never satisfied with the state of our
export trade, and he is very conscious
that war conditions make it impossible
to cultivate our overseas markets as much
as we should wish. But my hon. Friend
can be assured that the considerations he
mentions are being kept in mind.
Mr. Hannah: Does the Government
realise the supreme, enormous, colossal
and overwhelming need of looking after
our export trade, especially when peace is
restored?
WINDOW AND PLATE GLASS INDUSTRY.
18. Mr. Marcus Samuel asked the Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade, whether he
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1236
and plate glass industry on a
be on
scale so that this country may
large window dependent foreign imports to repair not
damage after the war, and to supply our
own needs and give employment?
Captain Waterhouse: I can assure my
hon. Friend that the importance of this
industry is not being overlooked.
Mr. Samuel: Is the hon. and gallant
Gentleman aware that there might be a
certain amount of broken glass in Germany?
SMALL TRADERS.
19 and 20. Mr. Doland asked the
President of the Board of Trade (I)
whether, in view of the questionnaire issued by the committee set up by the Board
of Trade, particularly in view of one of
the 24 questions which asks trade associations if they consider that steps should
be taken to reduce the number of shops, it
is the policy of the Government to endeavour to eliminate a large number of
small shops in London and the country
to
war
shops are of
either by voluntary or compulsory means;
those the in
he will furnish figures, comparable
ping space
different given to achievable illustrate by saving eating less ship. to or
how
space be for
every IO per the imports
much shipping kinds cent. of reduction bread, could showing in saved
of tobacco generally and of American
tobacco in particular?
Captain Waterhouse: Publication of
details relating to trade statistics has been
which
rate of import
of any commodity.
a
[Mr. Samuel.] of the
is planning for the establishment
ties. suspended would I cannot since indicate the therefore outbreak the give of hostili- figure
Miss Rathbone: Is my hon. and gallant
Friend aware that present propaganda
about tobacco is most unsatisfactory, that
the appeal to the tobacco consumers to reduce their consumption for a few weeks
only, by one-fifth only, is unsatisfactory,
first, because patriotic smokers have al-
ready reduced their consumption by far
more than one-fifth and, secondly, that
they would be ready to reduce it far more
than that if they had reason to suppose it
to be essary.-[Interruption.]-May
not ask for a reply?
aware
primarily (2) whether empty the he incidence is in the of borough that owing 94I
Wandsworth, compared with 308 as at
March. 1939; and will he bear in mind
this wholesale closing of small businesses
all over the country causing great hardship to thousands of persons, when considering legislation regarding the retail
Mr. Speaker: The hon. Lady is giving
the answer to her own Question.
Miss Rathbone: In view of the unsatisfactory nature of the Reply, I beg to give
notice that I intend to raise the matter
on the Adjournment.
trading community?
GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS.
Captain Waterhouse: The Board of
Trade are aware that largely owing to
war a number of
that has
have circumstances had to close, and hardship shops
in some cases inevitably resulted. The
BOARD OF TRADE (STAFF).
17 Sir Percy Hurd asked the President
of the Board of Trade whether, in view
of call of the Secretary of State
to hon.
for he an
refers, was set up to examine the tion to his that men
numerous and complex problems conwho drew the
questionnaire Retail Trade Committee, which my Friend up
for
the war War urgent services, and other Ministers will issue for instruc- recruits
and women whose
fronting retail traders, and I cannot anticipate their findings. I can, however, assure my hon. Friend that the interests of
have
not
to statement made on 13th
and the refer will small him shopkeeper be the overlooked, and not I would been,
May when the appointment of this Committee was announced,
TOBACCO IMPORTS.
21. Miss Eleanor Rathbone asked the
President of the Board of Trade whether
or are called shall not
Department age groups eligible have be taken been
into or in
kept employment up activities in rationing unless
or otherbeing
departmental
they are especially certified by him to be
irreplaceable?
Captain Waterhouse: The retention of
permanent staff and the recruitment and
retention of the temporary staff of the
Board of Trade are in compliance with
the conditions prescribed in the Schedule
of Reserved Occupations and Protected
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Work. Requests for deferment of callinghave only been made for certain tem-
up officers with professional or other
cannot be con-
qualifications
factory; I did say I thought that an improvement was taking place and that,
given a chance, this matter would be got
right.
KENNET COMMITTEE.
porary specialist work who replaced. essential This for their
dition will continue to be strictly
observed.
Sir P. Hurd: Is the hon. and gallant
Gentleman aware that there is considerable resentment among those who have
been called up, often at great personal
loss, that there should be retained in
Departments like his men and women
who could easily be replaced if the effort
were made?
Captain Waterhouse: I can assure the
hon. Member that we do not retain people
who could easily be replaced-ever.
An Hon. Member: What about the
President of the Board?
24. Mr. Glenvil Hall asked the President of the Board of Trade the number of
the staffs engaged on work in Bournemouth connected with the clothes rationing, woven textiles, miscellaneous trades
orders, and concentration of production:
what proportion is composed of perma-
nent civil servants; and whether he is
satisfied that the Department there is
working smoothly and with efficiency?
62. Sir P. Hurd asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether, seeing the
large number of eligible men and women
whose age groups have been called up who
are being retained in the various Departments of the Government, he will request
the Kennet Committee to consider the
feasibility of calling up all these men and
women unless they are certified by the
Minister concerned to be irreplaceable in
the Department?
The Financial Secretary to the Treasury
(Captain Crookshank) I will, with my
hon. Friend's permission, answer this
Question and No. 59 together.
Sir P. Hurd: Question No. 59 has been
deferred.
Captain Crookshank: The answer is the
same, anyhow. The Kennet Committee
yesterday submitted an interim report to
my right hon. Friends the Chancellor of
the Exchequer and the Minister of Labour
Perhaps my hon. Friend would wait until
my right hon. Friends have had an opportunity of considering it.
of staff of all grades, including minor
Sir P. Hurd: How long does my right
hon. and gallant Friend think it will be
common services staff, employed in the
Board of Trade offices at Bournemouth
on these duties is 943 of whom 208 or
wants to know whether it will be pub-
Captain Waterhouse: The total number
are in
22 are
There per cent. many permanent problems civil inherent servants.
these new duties, and I am satisfied that
before we see this interim report?
Captain Crookshank: If my hon. Friend
lished, I should like to have notice of that
Question. I should not think it would.
the Department is doing its utmost to
overcome the initial difficulties.
Mr. Hall: Is the hon. and gallant
Gentleman aware that the public, at any
rate, are not satisfied that these four
hotels are being properly run and that a
very large number of complaints are
made that the whole thing appears to be
in a most chaotic condition? Would the
President of the Board of Trade have
inquiry made?
Captain Waterhouse: I do not think
there is a case for inquiry at all. We are
well aware of the difficulties which are
inherent in the position. I did not say I
thought the position was perfectly satis-
NATIONAL FINANCE.
PURCHASE TAX (MINERS' LAMPS).
22. Mr. Gordon Maedonald asked the
President of the Board of Trade whether
he will consider, at an early date, removal
or the reduction of the Purchase Tax on
acetylene lamps used in coalmining?
The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Sir
Kingsley Wood): I have been asked to
reply. I would refer my hon. Friend to
the answer which I gave to a similar
question by my hon. Friend the Member
for West Fife (Mr. Gallacher) on 3rd
December last.
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Mr. Maedonald: Does the Chancellor
realise that the present position is, that
lamps provided by a colliery company are
free of tax, whereas lamps acquired by the
men themselves are subject to tax, and
will he take steps to remove that anomaly
and see that such lamps are free of tax?
Sir K. Wood: I would like to discuss
that with the hon. Member. I dare say
he knows the difficulty there is in restricting the concession to the types used in the
industry.
Sir Herbert Williams: Does not my
right hon. Friend realise that the Purchase
Tax is the main element in the spiral?
ELECTRICITY CHARGES.
54- Mr. A. Edwards asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware
that the cost of electric power has been
increased by 40 per cent. due to increases
in cost of coal; that the effect of this is to
inflate the cost of nearly every commodity
purchased by the Government; and at
what date he proposes to carry out his
undertaking to subsidise rising costs of
coal-power, &c., in order to stabilise
prices and wages?
Sir K. Wood: My noble Friend the
Minister of War Transport is not aware
of any general increase to the extent indicated, but he will ask the Electricity Com-
missioners to look into any particular
cases which my hon. Friend has in mind.
Among the measures taken in relation to
the charges of public utility undertakings,
the Commissioners have informed all electhat no
other than
increases creases tricity undertakers in electricity charges, further inalready announced, should be
made without the undertakers first sub-
mitting their proposals to the Commisnecessary
may have an
that sioners the with Minister supporting opportunity data so
of considering the position.
MERSEY DOCKS AND HARBOUR BOARD
(CHARGES).
55. Mr. A. Edwards asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware
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Sir K. Wood: Yes, Sir. My noble
Friend consulted me before agreeing to
the increased charges referred to, The
matter was fully examined in relation to
I announced in
and in view of
the Budget which policy speech, which the extent my
to essential goods are now imported
on Government account, I am satisfied
that the increased charges will not be
prices of such the
consumer.
conflict
with the policy of the Government.
reflected in the There is, therefore, goods no to
Mr. Edwards: Is the Chancellor not
aware
puts
the of
must put the of
these goods that when he he up up prices cost
goods to the Government? Is it not impossible to stabilise prices if this method
of increasing prices of all these-commodities is continued?
I to the I
Sir K. Wood: That is a general matter.
have confined myself Reply
have given, which deals with a specific
case.
ADVERTISEMENT POSTERS.
57. Captain John Dugdale asked the
Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in
view of the adverse effect that they have
upon the National Savings Campaign, he
will take steps to prohibit, for the duration of the war, the display of advertisements upon hoardings throughout the
country calling upon people to spend
money upon the purchase of proprietary
articles?
Sir K. Wood: No, Sir. Private adver-
by other
tising hoardings is already subject
to
severe restrictions
very the upon Paper and Controller increasing and in
ways, and I am satisfied that the National
Savings Campaign will not be adversely
affected by leaving the position as it is.
Captain Dugdale: Does not the right
hon. Gentleman consider it unfortunate
that posters encouraging people to spend
should be placed side by side with the
posters of his Department which encourage people to save?
that the Ministry of War Transport has
an increase of 60
the sanctioned
per cent.
in
DocksMersey
and Harbour
Board's
and dock rates
as
thisconflict
is in as from with 2nd the
town July; dues and,
policy of the Government, what steps he is
taking to prevent a consequent increase in
the cost of many Government purchases?
ECONOMIC WARFARE.
SPAIN (SUPPLY SHIPS).
25. Mr. Mander asked the Minister of
Economic Warfare whether, in view of
the recent attack on the democracies
made by General Franco, it is proposed
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to
continue to permit the passage of
supply ships through the British blockade
to Spain?
The Minister of Economic Warfare (Mr.
I would remind my hon. Friend
oflast
which
on the
from my
day Dalton): the Reply right he received hon. Friend Thurs-
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.
My right hon. Friend referred to my state-
ment of 30th July, 1940, when I laid it
down that it was not the policy of His
Majesty's Government to extend the
blockade to neutral countries so long as
supplies could reach these countries with-
out the risk of falling into the hands of
the enemy, that we were prepared to
grant navicerts on such a scale as to allow
imports adequate for domestic consump-
tion, and, further, that it was the policy
of His Majesty's Government not merely
to allow such supplies to pass through
our controls, but also to assist neutral
countries to obtain them. As regards
General Franco's speech on 17th July,
vigilance in order that nothing will reach
Spain which would increase General
Franco's power to go to war against us?
Mr. Dalton: Yes, Sir.
Mr. Garro Jones: As General Franco
does not appear to understand the posi-
ment, not
tion of the
and and intentions the British Government British Govern- do
appear to understand the intentions of
General Franco
Mr. Speaker roseCONTROL OF EXPORTS (GREAT BRITAIN
AND UNITED STATES).
26 Mr. Mander asked the Minister of
Economic Warfare to what extent progress
has been made as between Great Britain
and the United States of America in producing an agreed black list of traders?
Mr. Dalton: By a proclamation dated
has
a Proclaimed
thisspeech right hon. displayed Friend complete pointed misunder- out that
my
standing of the general war situation, and
also of British economic policy towards
Spain. He added that this speech made
it appear that General Franco did not
our own List.
17th authorised List similar July, the to preparation President Roosevelt of Statutory
This Proclaimed List is to include persons
who are believed to be engaged in activi-
ties helpful to Germany or Italy, and
desire further economic assistance for his
persons to whom the exportation of any
country and that, if this were so, His
United States is deemed to be detrimental
article or material exported from the
Majesty's Government would be unable
to proceed with their plans, and that their
future policy would depend on the actions
and attitude of the Spanish Government.
to the interests of national defence. Any
person whose name appears on the list
Mr. Mander: Does that mean that, in
the meantime, shipments are held up,
thatwe to
go
are General
debarred from obtaining, except under
special licence, United States products
which are subject to export control. In
through nothing until further will satisfied be allowed that
pursuance of this proclamation the United
States Government has now issued a list
Franco does not mean what he says?
Mr. Dalton: No, Sir. No further de-
is to be treated as though he were a
national of Germany or Italy, and is to be
of 1,834 persons in Latin America. The
cision has been taken in that sense. We
are waiting for elucidation of the inten-
majority of these also appear on our own
tions of the Spanish Government.
Mr. Shinwell: Is my right hon. Friend
aware that one of the ships despatched
ordination of the two lists. This new departure will be of the greatest value to us
in waging economic warfare, and I am
sure the House would wish to join with
actually discharged a cargo at Dakar,
me in welcoming this striking act of
Mr. Dalton: Yes, Sir, but Dakar is not
Mr. Mander: Could the right hon.
by the U.S.A., the Scheherezade,'
which is under German control?
in Spain.
Mr. Shinwell: That is worse.
Mr. Noel-Baker: Will my right hon.
Friend continue to exercise the utmost
Statutory List. I am consulting the
United States Government on the co-
American co-operation.
Gentleman say whether joint consideration is now being given to the question of
Japanese enemy trade?
Mr. Dalton: Yes, Sir.
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ITALIAN PRISONERS OF WAR.
27. Mr. Mander asked the Secretary of
State for War whether he will give an
assurance that Italian prisoners of war,
including the Duke of Aosta and other
generals, are being treated strictly in
accordance with international regulations
and that no special facilities are being
provided other than those available for
German prisoners?
that cases in which soldiers at home an
unable to obtain four periods of seven
days' leave in the year are exceptional
Mr. Bellenger: Would the hon. Gentle.
man look more closely into that, as
can assure him that there is a consider.
able discrepancy between different
in
leaves?
by any means for four leaves
the granting of universal these It is units not
within any year to be given.
The Financial Secretary to the War
Office (Mr. Sandys): Yes, Sir. There are
of course, minor differences of treatment
between German and Italian prisoners.
But these depend on the privileges allowed
to our prisoners in Germany and Italy.
Mr. Mander: Can the hon. Gentleman
say why it is that Italian officers are being
released for the purpose of attending social
functions in Cairo, and will he make
arrangements that these shall cease forthwith?
Mr. Sandys: If the hon. Gentleman will
give me particulars of these festivities, I
will look into the matter.
Captain McEwen: Is my hon Friend not
aware that there is a great deal of difference in the treatment of our prisoners of
war by Germany and Italy?
BRITISH ARMY.
LEAVE.
28. Mr. Hannah asked the Secretary of
State for War whether his attention has
Mr. Sandys: If the hon. Gentleman
will let me have particulars of any hard.
ship cases, I will look into them.
GERMAN PRISONER'S PUBLICATION.
29. Mr. G. Strauss asked the Secretary
of State for War whether he is aware
that a book is being published in America
entitled, I was a Nazi Flyer,' written
by a German prisoner of war who baled
out in this country and was sent to
Canada; that this book sets out the faith
of the Nazi soldier whether permission
was given for this book to be published;
and whether prisoners of war, under any
circumstances, are entitled to have their
writings published?
Mr. Sandys: The release for publication
of a book written by a prisoner of was
is a matter for decision by the military
authorities under whose care he is detained. I have no information regarding
the particular case to which my hon.
Friend refers, but I am having inquiries
made from the Canadian authorities.
Mr. Strauss: Does that mean that when
been. called to dissatisfaction among
a British prisoner of war is sent to
days' leave every three months, if
Canada, a book can be published without
the permission of the British authorities.
soldiers on home service that their seven
exigencies permit, is so often found to be
impracticable; and will he look into the
whole matter to be sure that leave is never
withheld where it can possibly be
granted?
Mr. Sandys: I would refer my hon.
Friend to the Answer given to my hon.
Friend the Member for Normanton (Mr.
T. Smith) on 3rd July, of which I am
sending him a copy. Leave allotments
are based on the operational requirement
that the strength of units should not
normally be allowed to fall below
more than ten
any While I am that
lishment time. by per cent. estab- at
and
courses, requirements
duties aware
mayspecial
sometimes
leadtraining
to the
postponement of leave, I am satisfied
dealing with something which he has
written?
Mr. Sandys: I have replied that I do
not know anything about this particular
case and that I am looking into it.
TOBACCO ISSUE, MALAYA.
of whether
in are now
31. Sir A. Southby asked the Secretary
troops State stationed for War, Malaya the Imperial being
issued with tobacco and matches on the
field service scale; and on what date was
such issue approved, observing, that for
some time issues of tobacco at the field
service rate have been made to men
serving in Iceland and the Orkney and
Shetland Islands but not to men in
Malaya?
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Mr. Sandys: The free issue of tobacco
and matches is normally limited to troops
engaged in active operations, but it has
extended to areas
are far removed
sources of supply.
also troops been The certain from General the normal Officer where
Commanding Malaya, recently drew
to the difficulties experienced in
was on
units on
land. this attention respect Approval by accordingly the Malayan given main-
5th July last for the free issue of tobacco
and matches to these troops.
Sir A. Southby: Can my hon. Friend
whether the delay in giving this free
the
men was to
Office or to
say issue the War to in Malaya the parsimonious due
action of the Treasury?
Mr. Sandys: Cases are dealt with as
they arise.
Sir A. Southby: Was that application
made for this issue some time ago, and
was there any delay in giving it?
Mr. Sandys: I understand the request
was made by the General Officer Commanding, Malaya, quite recently.
AEROPLANES UNDER ARMY CONTROL.
32. Mr. David Adams asked the
Secretary of State for War, whether the
Army is now furnished with sufficient
co-operative support, as opposed to the
German Army system, under which
platoons
may make direct requests for
aircraft?
Mr. Sandys: Perhaps the hon. Member
will put that question on the Paper.
DEPENDANTS' ALLOWANCES.
33. Sir William Wayland asked the
Secretary of State for War why, when a
soldier's wife enters a rate-aided institution, the dependants' allowance is immediately stopped, although the soldier con-
tinues to receive the pay of a married
man; and why the allowance is not paid
to the local authority towards the maintenance costs?
Mr. Sandys: Family allowance is issued
in order to assist a soldier in meeting the
expense of maintaining and accommodat-
ing his family. If a soldier's wife without
children enters a rate-aided institution,
her allowance is withheld. At the same
time, the regimental paymaster authorizes
the issue of full pay to the soldier, unless
he wishes a voluntary allotment to be
paid to his wife. As regards the second
part of the Question, it would be contrary
to present policy for any payment to be
made from Army funds to the local
authority in such cases.
Mr. Neil Maclean: Is it not the case
appropriate aeroplanes to make it incependent of the Royal Air Force in effecting reconnaissance and similar work?
that all these rate-aided institutions make
a charge to the inmates where they believe
Mr. Sandys: My hon. Friend appears
to be under a misapprehension. It is not
deep for the Minister to answer?
proposed to set up a separate air force for
that the charge can be met? Is that too
ROAD ACCIDENTS (EMERGENCY
the Army. All squadrons engaged on
TREATMENT).
Army continue to belong to the Royal
Air Force. Certain of these squadrons,
34. Sir W. Wayland asked the Secretary of State for War what responsibility
does the War Office accept for reimburs-
reconnaissance and similar work for the
however, which are specially equipped
and trained for Army needs, are under
the operational control of the Army; and,
as my right hon. Friend the Prime
Minister stated on 10th June, it is the
intention to increase considerably the
number of aeroplanes under Army
control.
Mr. Adams: When is it anticipated
that this last-mentioned desire will be
fulfilled?
Mr. Sandys: It is going on all the time.
Mr. Garro Jones: Is it still the case that
no Army unit lower than a division can
make a direct request to the Air Force for
an even
ing a hospital for the cost of a patient
the of the
injured cause by Army accident vehicle, may have though been
purely accidental or due to contributory
negligence on the part of the injured
person, or when the cause of the accident
is in dispute?
Mr. Sandys: When a person is afforded
emergency treatment as the result of an
accident arising out of the use of a War
Department vehicle on duty on a road,
claims are accepted against Army funds
for the cost of such treatment at the rates
and in the circumstances specified in Sec-
tion 16 of the Road Traffic Act, 1934.
notwithstanding that that part of the
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[Mr. Sandys.]
Act does not apply to the Crown. Refund
of other hospital expenses is considered
in connection with any claim to compenIn
sation arising out of the accident.
general, the War Office accepts liability
in respect of such expenses to the extent
to which a private employer would be
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Mr. Sandys: Yes, Sir. All data, re
cords and materials of the Kensington
Gardens
Camouflage School of
war
are
at have the disposal been carefully of present-day examined, the camou. and last
flage officers through the medium of the
Army Centre.
Camouflage Training and Develop.
ment
liable in similar circumstances.
Sir W. Wayland: Is the hon. Member
aware that in many cases the district paymaster has refused to recognise claims
made by hospitals when an accident was
not absolutely due to the Army driver,
or where it could not be attributed either
to one side or the other, and that in such
cases compensation has often been
refused?
Mr. Sandys: The payments to be made
are laid down quite clearly in Section 16
of the Road Traffic Act. Those payments
are made.
Mr. Hannah: Are the Government fully
convinced
improved? that our camouflage cannot be
Sandys: It is being improved all
theMr.
time.
MILITIA CAMPS (COST).
were of
State Militia
36. Mr. Stokes asked the Secretary of
included for War in how the actual many expenditure camps
£22,750,000; and how many were allowed
for in the original estimate of
£20,000,000?
CAMOUFLAGE.
35- Sir John Graham Kerr asked the
Secretary of State for War, whether he is
aware that one of the few recognised
authorities in the science of camouflage
is now in His Majesty's service; whether
he is satisfied that he has been given an
official position commensurate with his
position in this highly-specialised branch
of science; and what is his official designation and where are his headquarters?
Mr. Sandys: I assume that my hon.
Friend is referring to an authority on the
biological aspect of camouflage about
whom he has written to my right hon. and
gallant Friend. This gentleman holds a
commission in the Royal Engineers. He
is now serving as a camouflage officer,
a that
am that his
Middle
as to full
capacity and holds I at General satisfied staff Headquarters, appointment in
the tionexercise
East. is suchof
provide
present scope
posifor
his abilities
and
experience.
37- Sir J. Graham Kerr asked the
for War
is
aware was
accumulated Sécretary that of valuable State knowledge whether he
during the last war in relation to
the Kensington Gardens scheme of camou-
flage; material on which it was
was in store at a
of
been
such material is still to the fore; and
founded which that he has placed informed: whether place
whether care has been taken to make it
freely accessible to camouflage officers
during the present war.
Mr. Sandys: I would refer my hon.
Friend to the answer given to him on
28th May.
Mr. Stokes: That answer gave no information at all. Will the hon Member
state what percentage of the camps it was
intended to construct were constructed?
Unless this is stated, the answer makes no
sense at all.
Mr. Sandys: The answer to which I
referred the hon. Member was given to a
Question of his which was almost identical
with the one that he asked to-day. He
had a very full reply, to which I have
nothing to add.
COURTS-MARTIAL
38. Mr. Cecil Wilson asked the Secre-
tary of State for War, seeing that it is
laid down for courts-martial, in Rules of
Procedure 87 (D), that the friend of the
accused may advise the accused on all
points and suggest the questions to be put
to the witnesses, but cannot examine or
cross-examine the witnesses or address the
court, under what circumstances the
friend may not be present in court
throughout the proceedings?
Mr. Sandys: The friend of an accused
is
to be in court
times which the accused
entitled during present himself at all
is before the court and desires his friend
to be present.
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Mr. Wilson: If I send the hon. Member
cases where this right has been refused,
will he look into them?
this complicated matter by way of question and answer. There will be an opportunity on the Scottish Estimates at the
next Sitting, when I hope to make a fuller
statement.
Mr. Sandys: Certainly, Sir.
SCHOOL CHILDREN (MEALS).
SCOTLAND.
HILL SHEEP FARMING.
and 4I. Mr. Robertson asked the
of State
he is sheep
Secretary whether 39, 40 satisfied for that Scotland, the hill (I)
industry is receiving fair prices for its
wool and mutton compulsorily sold to the
are
the
Government;
subject of and negotiation whether the with prices the in-
of
loss
accounts
hill
dustry or are they arbitrarily fixed by the
Government;
(2) the average results of his inspection
current and trading balance and sheets profit of typical and
farms in the various districts, after allowing the working farmer the wage of the
lowest-paid agricultural labourer;
(3) whether he is aware that, as a result
of the severe winter and spring, mortality
among ewes and lambs was high; and
what steps he is taking to meet the situation, which will become worse within the
next few weeks, when many hill farmers
will be compelled to sell breeding stock to
meet current expenditure?
42. Mrs. Hardie asked the Secretary of
State for Scotland whether he is aware of
the conclusions arrived at by the Ministry
of Food as to the necessary ingredients of
a balanced meal; and whether he will confer with that Ministry with a view to providing such a meal to every child at school
from September throughout the winter?
Mr. Johnston: The answer to the first
part of the Question is in the affirmative
With regard to the second part of the
Question, it is the duty of education authorities to provide meals for all necessitous
school children, and I have encouraged
authorities to extend this service to all
other school children on payment of the
bare cost of the food. At present, some
50,000 school children in Scotland are
obtaining a well balanced meal daily; and
this number, I hope, will be steadily increased.
Mrs. Hardic: While I thank my right
hon. Friend for his reply, will he put more
pressure on local authorities to provide
these meals for necessitous children, in
view of the fact that it is practically im-
The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr.
been over
last
is a stateT. Johnston): Wool prices have already
possible for the mothers to get the food in
the shops, even if they have the money?
year's increased will figures, be and made by it 15 shortly per hoped cent. that
Mr. Johnston: I quite agree. We are
taking every step we can to encourage
the local authorities. There are difficul-
farmers' accounts show an improvement
ties about cooking equipment and so on,
but we hope that these are being rapidly
ment
on
mutton
prices. While the latest available hill
for the 1940 season as against the previous
season, I am aware that additional difficulties and financial hardships have re-
sulted from the prolonged winter of
1940-41 and the resulting loss of lambs.
are alive to the
The position Government and have already fully given
an under-
taking to provide, if necessary, special
assistance.
Mr. Robertson: Is it not quite
great should be
that
this this
wrong
out in
way?
Is itindustry
not a singled
fact that
the
figures for the two years of Government
purchase show a net loss on all the farms
overcome.
NUTRITION (WORKERS).
43. Mr. Sloan asked the Secretary of
State for Scotland whether he is aware that
the nutrition of certain classes of workers
in Scotland is inadequate, and compares
unfavourably with the nutrition standards
provided for other classes of workers; and
whether he will take steps to provide adequate and equal nutrition for all workers?
Mr. Johnston: The policy of the Government has been, and is, to provide adequate nutrition for all classes of workers.
taken out by the Department of Agri-
If, as I assume, my hon. Friend has in
mind any disparity in the provision of
Mr. Johnston: As the hon. Member
food canteens, and especially at the coal
pits, in Scotland, I can assure him that the
matter is receiving urgent attention.
culture for Scotland?
knows, it is exceedingly difficult to discuss
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HOUSE OF COMMONS
[Mr. Sandys.
Act does not apply to the Crown. Refund
of other hospital expenses is considered
in connection with any claim to compenIn
sation arising out of the accident.
in toaextent
to
be
general, respect which the of War private such Office expenses employer accepts the would liability
liable in similar circumstances.
Sir W. Wayland: Is the hon. Member
aware that in many cases the district paymaster has refused to recognise claims
made by hospitals when an accident was
not absolutely due to the Army driver,
or where it could not be attributed either
to one side or the other, and that in such
cases compensation has often been
refused?
Mr. Sandys: The payments to be made
are laid down quite clearly in Section 16
of the Road Traffic Act. Those payments
are made.
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Mr. Sandys: Yes, Sir. All data,
of the
are of
Gardens cords and Camouflage materials Kensington re.
School of the last
carefully
flage war at have officers the disposal been present-day examined, camou. and
through the medium of the
Army
Camouflage
Training and Develop
ment Centre.
Mr. Hannah: Are the Government fully
convinced that our camouflage cannot be
improved?
Sandys: It is being improved all
theMr.
time.
MILITIA CAMPS (COST).
36. Mr. Stokes asked the Secretary of
State for War how many Militia camps
were included in the actual expenditure of
£22,750,000; and how many were allowed
for in the original estimate of
£20,000,000?
CAMOUFLAGE.
35. Sir John Graham Kerr asked the
aware one few
is
Secretary that of State of for the War, whether recognised he
Mr. Sandys: I would refer my hon.
Friend to the answer given to him on
28th May.
of
is now
he he has
been an
commensurate his
authorities in His in the Majesty's science service; camouflage whether
position official is satisfiedhighly-specialised
position in this that given with
branch
of science; and what is his official designation and where are his headquarters?
I assume that
to an my
onhon.
the
Friend Mr.referring
Sandys: is authority
aspect
of about
written to
gallant whom biological he Friend. has camouflage my right hon. and
This gentleman holds
now astheaRoyal
a staff that
is commission serving in camouflage Engineers. officer, He a
East. and capacity holds I at General Headquarters, appointment in Middle
am satisfied that his present posi-
tion is such as to provide full scope for
the exercise of his abilities and ex-
perience.
Mr. Stokes: That answer gave no information at all. Will the hon. Member
state what percentage of the camps it was
intended to construct were constructed?
Unless this is stated, the answer makes no
sense at all.
Mr. Sandys: The answer to which I
referred the hon. Member was given to a
Question of his which was almost identical
with the one that he asked to-day. He
had a very full reply, to which I have
nothing to add.
tary of
is
laid
COURTS-MARTIAL
38. Mr. Cecil Wilson asked the Secredown of State for for courts-martial, War, seeing in that Rules it
Procedure that the friend of the
on all
37. Sir J. Graham Kerr asked the
State for War is
was
aware mulated Sécretary that of valuable knowledge whether accu- he
during the last war in
Gardens scheme
flage; the Kensington that relation of camou- to
material on which it was
was placed in store at a
has been
such of founded which he informed; whether place
material is still to the
whether
fore;
make
and
caretohas
been
taken
it
freely accessible to camouflage officers
during the present war,
to put
accused points and may suggest 87 (D), advise the the questions accused be
to the witnesses, but cannot examine or
cross-examine the witnesses or address the
court, under what circumstances the
friend may not be present in court
throughout the proceedings?
Mr. Sandys: The friend of an accused
is entitled to be court
timesduring
which
the accused
present
in himself at all
is before the court and desires his friend
to be present.
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Mr. Wilson: If I send the hon. Member
cases where this right has been refused,
will he look into them?
this complicated matter by way of question and answer. There will be an oppor-
tunity on the Scottish Estimates at the
next Sitting, when I hope to make a fuller
statement.
Mr. Sandys: Certainly, Sir.
SCHOOL CHILDREN (MEALS).
SCOTLAND.
HILL SHEEP FARMING.
is
its
the of inand 4I. Mr. Robertson asked the
of State
he is sheep
Secretary 39, 40 satisfied for that Scotland, the hill (I)
wool mutton the
whether industry and receiving compulsorily fair prices sold for to
are
Government; subject and negotiation whether the with prices the
of loss
dustry or are they arbitrarily fixed by the
Government;
the average results of his inspection
accounts and hill
42. Mrs. Hardie asked the Secretary of
State for Scotland whether he is aware of
the conclusions arrived at by the Ministry
of Food as to the necessary ingredients of
a balanced meal; and whether he will confer with that Ministry with a view to providing such a meal to every child at school
from September throughout the winter?
Mr. Johnston: The answer to the first
part of the Question is in the affirmative.
of the
Question, With regard it is to the the duty second of education part
autho-
rities to provide meals for all necessitous
school children, and I have encouraged
farms in the various districts, after allowing the working farmer the wage of the
lowest-paid agricultural labourer;
authorities to extend this service to all
other school children on payment of the
bare cost of the food. At present, some
50,000 school children in Scotland are
(3) whether he is aware that, as a result
obtaining a well balanced meal daily; and
(2) current trading balance and sheets profit of typical and
of severe
this number, I hope, will be steadily in-
what the steps he winter and is taking lambs and to spring, meet high; the mortality situaamong
hon. more
ewes was and
tion, which will become worse within the
next few weeks, when many hill farmers
will be compelled to sell breeding stock to
meet current expenditure?
The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr.
T. Johnston): Wool prices have already
been increased by I5 per cent. over last
year's figures, and it is hoped that a state-
ment will be made shortly on mutton
prices. While the latest available hill
creased
Mrs. Hardie: While I thank my right
on
pressure Friend for
local his reply, authorities will he to put provide
these meals for necessitous children, in
view of the fact that it is practically impossible for the mothers to get the food in
the shops, even if they have the money?
Mr. Johnston: I quite agree. We are
taking every step we can to encourage
the local authorities. There are difficul-
farmers' accounts show an improvement
ties about cooking equipment and so on,
but we hope that these are being rapidly
for the 1940 season as against the previous
overcome.
season, I am aware that additional difficulties and financial hardships have re-
sulted from the prolonged winter of
are to the
1940-41 and the resulting loss of lambs.
The position Government and have already fully given alive
an under-
taking to provide, if necessary, special
assistance.
Mr. Robertson: Is it not quite wrong
great should be
out Is
it not that the
that in this this way? industry a fact singled
the two of Government
a net loss all farms
purchase figures for show years on the
taken out by the Department of Agriculture for Scotland?
NUTRITION (WORKERS).
43. Mr. Sloan asked the Secretary of
State for Scotland whether he is aware that
the nutrition of certain classes of workers
in Scotland is inadequate, and compares
unfavourably with the nutrition standards
provided for other classes of workers; and
whether he will take steps to provide adequate and equal nutrition for all workers?
Mr. Johnston: The policy of the Government has been, and is, to provide adequate nutrition for all classes of workers.
mind
food and in of
I hon. Friend has in
If, as canteens, any assume, disparity my especially the provision at the coal
Mr. Johnston: As the hon. Member
knows, it is exceedingly difficult to discuss
pits, in Scotland, I can assure him that the
matter is receiving urgent attention.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS
Is right hon. Friend
aware
the possibility my of procuring
Mr. that Sloan:
nutritious food for miners in Scotland is
almost nil, that miners' wives are completely at their wits' end, and that they
are taking long journeys to the towns only
to find short rations there? Will he see
that the canteen system is spread as far as
possible in Scotland?
Mr. Johnston: Yes, Sir. My hon.
Friend the Minister of Mines has the subject very urgently under review. In Scot-
land we are exceptionally badly off. At
present, we have only two canteens in
active operation.
HIGHLAND FOLK MUSEUM.
44- Mr. Hannah asked the Secretary of
State for Scotland, whether he has now
taken the promised steps to prevent the
dispersal of the Highland Folk Museum?
Mr. Johnston: The possible alternative
accommodation to which I referred in my
Answer of 15th July is being examined by
the Inverness County Council. Meantime, I have asked them not to enter
upon the museum premises.
Mr. Hannah: Is not that a most unsatisfactory answer?
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
63. Major Lloyd asked the Secretary of
State for Scotland whether he is aware
of the increasing resentment which is felt
among Scottish public works contractors
at the growing tendency of English firms
to obtain contracts for work in Scotland;
whether he is further aware that resident
engineers of English main contractors are
enabled to appoint direct sub-contractors
from England for work which can be more
readily carried out by Scottish contractors
in Scotland; and whether he will consult
with the Government Departments concerned with a view to safeguarding the
interests of Scottish contractors in future?
Mr. Johnston: While I have received
some general representations in the sense
of the hon. Member's Question, I have no
specific evidence of any case in which the
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aware to
1252
Mr. McKinlay: Is my hon,
that plants belonging right Scottish Friend
over
contractors handed have to English been requisitioned contractors, who and
have no plant of their own?
Mr. Johnston: That is another question.
If hon. Members had any evidence of
that kind
have
it. of thing, I should be glad to
Mr. Neil Maclean: Will my right hon.
Friend get into touch with the Ministry
of Supply and the Board of Trade and
see the particulars of these contracts?
Mr. Johnston: I would prefer that a
specific case should be given me.
Mr. Sloan: Is my right hon. Friend
aware that English contractors do not
come up to standard and that local con-
tractors have to carry out the work?
HIGH COMMISSIONER AUSTRALIA
(STATEMENT).
45. Mr. David Adams asked the Prime
Minister whether his attention has been
called to a recent speech made by the
British High Commissioner in Australia
derogatory to the political system of our
Russian Ally; and whether, as such statements by persons in authority may injure
our joint war effort, he has taken steps
to ensure that no further speeches of this
kind are made?
The Lord Privy Seal (Mr. Attlee): My
right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has
seen Press reports of a statement alleged
dom He
to been made
have High Commissioner by the in Australia. United King-
has ascertained from him that the facts of
the case are as follows. In reply to
questions about Communism put to the
High Commissioner at a Press conference,
he denied the prevalence of Communism
in this and
munism was
country generaily stated unpopular that Com- here.
He did not, in his reply, use the expression
to he
the Russian system," as has been
Subsequently, in reply
his Russia was
wrongly further attitude reported. Press towards inquiries, stated identical that
public interest has been prejudiced, or
contracts given out in any manner disadvantageous to Scottish contractors or
workmen. If any evidence of that nature
is available, I shall be glad to consider
sioner has been or
of it with
the view
drawing
attention
appropriate
authority
to the
matter.
misrepresented, and he has the full confidence and approval of the Government.
a to the
with that recently expressed by my right
hon. Friend the Prime Minister, who is
the fact. It is obvious
that the
from sure that the above this is completely High misreported Commis-
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1253
Adams: Is not my right hon.
Friend Mr. aware that Mr. Hughes, the
Australian Naval Minister, condemned his
speech and that several thousand trade
unionists in Australia demanded the recall
of our High Commissioner?
Mr. Attlee: I have given my hon Friend
the facts.
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1254
Mr. Attlee: With regard to the per-
formance of the functions of the Chan-
cellor of the Duchy abroad, that has
already been answered.
Mr. Maxton: Does my right hon. Friend
think there will be any harm in the affairs
of the Chancellor of the Duchy being
managed by somebody other than himself?
Mr Maxton: Is my right hon. Friend
aware that this is not the only Member of
House in foreign parts who has made
statements?
this
controlling
to
be objectionable
some method
ofThere
ourought
representatives abroad.
MINISTERIAL DUTIES.
48. Mr. Shinwell asked the Prime
Minister whether the duties undertaken by
Lord Beaverbrook as Minister of State
have been transferred to another Member
of the War Cabinet?
CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF
LANCASTER.
47. Sir H. Williams asked the Prime
Minister what Minister in this House will
answer Questions addressed to the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster when he
is abroad?
Mr. Attlee: In the absence of the
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster,
such Questions will be answered in the
future, as they have been in the past, by
he Attorney-General.
Sir H. Williams: Will the AttorneyGeneral answer Questions in respect of
duties performed overseas by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster?
of was one
Mr. Attlee: It depends upon the nature
the
the general Question. high If policy it of the relating Govern- to
ment, it would have to be put to my right
hon. Friend the Prime Minister.
Sir H. Williams: Supposing it is a Ques-
Mr. Attlee: *As stated in the public
announcement issued on 29th June, the
appointment of my Noble Friend Lord
Beaverbrook as Minister of Supply
brought to. an end the special arrangements whereby the Minister of State acted
as Deputy Chairman of the Defence Com-
mittee (Supply) and as Referee on
priority questions. The announcement
also stated that these questions would in
future be handled within the organisation
of the Office of the Minister of Defence or
of the Production Executive, of which
latter my right hon. Friend the Minister
of Labour would continue as Chairman.
SOCIAL SURVEY (BLIND PERSONS).
52. Mr. J. Griffiths asked the Minister
without Portfolio whether consideration
bethetocommittee
the perupon a
sons will by given position engaged of blind
survey of social services?
The Minister without Portfolio (Mr.
tion to be put down with reference to
something that the Chancellor of the
Arthur Greenwood): Yes, Sir. The blind
Duchy is doing overseas, to whom must
are specifically covered in the Com-
it be addressed?
of by
but of
the on
mittee's preliminary plan of work.
Mr. Attlee: I have already replied to
put
hon. hon. Member Member is ingenious that point. enough to
If the
a Question with reference to the business
the the Attorney-General, Chancellor, it will be any answered question
general policy will have to be put down
to the Prime Minister.
TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING.
Mr. Henry Strauss asked the
without
have taken to ensure
the administration of the of
Minister the 53. Government Portfolio Restriction what steps that
Ribbon Development Act, 1935 shall pro-
ceed in conformity with long-term plan-
Sir Irving Albery: Is it not perfectly
obvious that at the present time the right
hon, Gentleman cannot perform the duties
of Chancellor of the Duchy?
and whether was
or inadvertently that
ment omitted this statute from
purpose ning policy; it the their Govern- of state- set
*ment of 17th July, 1941, setting out the
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1256
[Mr. Strauss.]
purpose and terms of reference of the
Council of Ministers under the chairmanship of the Right Honourable Lord Reith?
Mr. Greenwood: In settling the composition and terms of reference of the
Ministers under the chairman-
of noble
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taken the
ship have, Council of my of course, Friend, into the account Government
fact that the Town and Country Planning
Act is not the only statute which relates
to planning. It is. however, by far the
most comprehensive Statute in this field,
and its administration is already closely
co-ordinated with the administration of
other Acts relating to planning. The
function of the Council of Ministers is to
bring my noble Friend into closer associa-
for peace and his striving to secure the
conciliation settlement of rather international differences
than by force?
The Parliamentary Secretary to the
of to
Ministry of Information (Mr.
the
responsibility When dealing for with the question Thurtle): of
war, it is clearly
to the
peace Europe. as the hon. Mem.
desirable His in Majesty's to draw Government attention But preserve efforts
ber will realise it is equally important to
lay emphasis on the faithless and aggressive character of German policy during
the pre-war years.
Sir W. Davison: Does not the hon
Gentleman think it would be very undesirable at the present time to put
tion with the current administration of
forward the suggestion contained in the
the main body of the planning law, and
this function is accurately reflected in the
Council's composition and terms of refer-
Question, which might cause it to be
ence. My noble Friend will, however,
remain in close touch with the administration of all other relevant enactments.
Mr. Strauss: Is the right hon. Gentleman
of the opinion that the administration of
the Restriction of Ribbon Development
Act, 1935, in the past has been consistent
with good planning? Is that same system
to be allowed to continue?
Mr. Greenwood: I would like the hon.
Gentleman to await, if he would, the new
legislation on this matter, which will
shortly be before the House.
generally considered that we were longing
for peace on Hitler's terms?
Mr. Thurtle: I am not in a position to
add to my Answer, except to say that it
is the view of the Government that His
Majesty's Government's efforts to preserve
peace are best shown against the background of Hitler's perfidy and perjury.
Mr. Lambert: Is the hon. Gentlemar
aware that the object of my Question is
to show that the entire responsibility for
the horrors now existing in Europe rests
on Hitler and his associates?
Mr. Thurtle: The Government are fully
aware of that fact, and are anxious to
see that it is brought out in all propa-
BRITISH MUSEUM READING ROOM
(RE-OPENING).
61. Miss Eleanor Rathbone asked
the Financial Secretary to the Treasury
when the re-opening of the reading room
of the British Museum may be expected?
Captain Crookshank: It is to
the publicthe
service
of hoped
resume
reading
room about the end of October.
ganda.
AIR TRANSPORT AUXILIARY.
65. Mr. Garro Jones asked the Minister
of Aircraft Production on what exact basis
or calculation the Air Transport Auxiliary
Service is paid for each aircraft delivered
to the Royal Air Force?
The Parliamentary Secretary to the
Ministry of Aircraft Production (Mr.
has cost of
Montague): The Air Transport Auxiliary
PROPAGANDA BROADCASTS TO
CONTINENT.
tion no falls revenue. on the The Vote the theof organisa- Ministry
64. Mr. Lambert asked the Minister of
Information whether he will request the
to and
the efforts, in 1938 and
to
accentuate the British Continent Broadcasting in broadcasts Corporation Germany
1939, of the late Mr. Neville Chamberlain
by
of Aircraft Production. Payment is not
made on the basis of aircraft delivered.
Mr. Garro Jones: Does the cost of that
organisation include any interest paid for
the shares of British Airways on their
fixed interest-bearing securities?
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Montague: The cost of the Air
on Vote,
be on
any
questions
Transport Mr. ifhon.
Auxiliary Friend
is borne
has the
to
he and put will my concerning good enough higher to policy, raise them perhaps
the appropriate Vote.
1258
under the Schedule of Reserved Occupa-
tions and Protected Work, admit of the
cases
to
tion. permanent reservation
grant of deferment which in
be No tantamount individual may reserva- suitable or de-
ferment of calling-up can, of be
man ofcourse, age.
guaranteed toany
military
PERSONAL INJURIES (CIVILIANS'
TRAINEES (TRAVELLING EXPENSES).
06. Mr. Ellis Smith asked the Minister
of Pensions whether he is aware that Mr.
Labour whether he is aware that persons
who go as trainees to Government train-
SCHEME).
69. Mr. Tinker asked the Minister of
B. of received
33,
a
are to
their
own
this
ing centres fares, and, called in many upon instances, pay
on-Trent, Morrey, Penkville injuries of Street, permanent Novem- Stoke-
character in an air-raid on 19th
ber, 1940; that his income is IIS. National
Health Insurance and 6s. from the Amal-
amount exceeds IOS. a week; and will he
consider making some allowances to them
to meet this expense?
why
gamatedman
the Society
of received Woodworkers; compensation;
has
not
why the delay; and will this be paid at
once with retrospective pay?
Tomlinson: I have already written
toMr. my
on now
this
been for
per case
of all
over 21 and
excess
of
Arrangements hon. have Friend in made
subject.
The Minister of Pensions (Sir Walter
Womersley): Mr. Morrey did receive compensation in the form of injury allowances
under the Civilians Scheme from the date
of his injury in November, 1940, up to
27th May, 1941, that is, for the period of
26 weeks after which an award of pension
is normally considered. I regret that in-
tinuance the
structions were not given for the con-
daily boarder week travelling trainees to be expenses paid in years the of age 5s.
all trainees living at home over 19 years
of age in Government Training Centres.
The assistance given in the case of all
other trainees is already greater than this.
Mr. R. J. Taylor: Will that payment be
retrospective where applications have
been made?
was
have now been reinstated retrospecquestion of of pension injury allowances settled, with until but they
tive effect from 28th May, 1941, and will
remain in payment until pension can be
Mr. Tomlinson: Where applications are
made for retrospective payments, they
will have to be considered on their merits.
awarded.
EVACUEES (EMPLOYMENT).
NATIONAL WAR EFFORT.
SCHEDULE OF RESERVED OCCUPATIONS.
68. Mr. Nunn asked the Minister of
Labour whether he will establish tribunals
to decide definitely what men shall be reserved as a minimum staff for business
concerns so that
can
to
in mind that difficult firms
and ments industrial be made continue arrange- output,
to with confidence
bearing continue the basis their work it is any for
on
of temporary exemptions?
The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to
of Labour
hon.
does not think that tribunals are
required to deal with this matter. The
the As Friend Ministry at present advised, (Mr. my Tomlinson): right
70. Major Sir Edward Cadogan asked
the Minister of Labour whether he can
give any information as to what proportion of evacuees, who have reached the
school-leaving age, have obtained employment in the reception areas?
Mr. Tomlinson: I am having inquiries
made and will communicate with my hon.
and gallant Friend.
INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES.
71. Mr. G. Macdonald asked the
Minister of Labour how any working days
have been lost due to industrial disputes
during the 12 months ended 30th June,
1941; and what is the comparative figure
existing arrangements for the deferment of
for any similar period during the Great
War and also for the 12 months immediately preceding the outbreak of the
the military calling-up age, number not reserved of
present war?
of a limited men
of who
are
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Mr. Tomlinson: The total number of
so as re-
Written
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ANSWERS.
causing working stoppages days lost of in work, industrial far disputes
ported to my Department, was approxi-
mately 990,000 in the twelve months
ended 30th June, 1941, and 1,300,000 in
the twelve months ended 31st August,
1939. In the years 1915-18 the corresponding totals were approximately,
2,950,000 in 1915; 2,450,000 in 1916;
5,650,000 in 1917; and 5,880,000 in 1918.
WOMEN.
CLOTHES RATIONING.
Mr. Lipson asked the President of the
Board of Trade whether he is
on surrender of
clothing insistence and the footwear couponssold
aware at
church that for
bazaars and sales of work, will have
out to the
serious effect on social and religious work
the
72. Sir Leonard Lyle asked the Minister
of Labour whether, to avoid prejudicial
effect on home life, and especially in view
of the increased responsibilities thrown on
mothers, he will apply the conscription of
women in the first place to young single
women?
Mr. Tomlinson: It is not at present the
intention to apply conscription to women.
As regards women registered under the
Registration for Employment Order, it
has been arranged with the advice of the
Women's Consultative Committee that
women with no occupation are called for
interview before women in employment.
Within each group, single women are in-
terviewed before married women. Women
who have children under I4 years of age
living with them are not called for inter-
and exempting such purgained will of thereby all be proportion consider for rationing advantage scheme;
chases from rationing under safeguards
which should prevent abuse?
Captain Waterhouse: My right hon
Friend could not justify an arrangement
which would permit a limited section of
the public to obtain more than their fair
share of rationed goods at the expense of
the rest of the community and of the
normal channels of retail trade.
COAL DISTRIBUTION.
Mr. Denville asked the Secretary for
Mines how he proposes to deal with the
distribution of the-necessary coal for al
household purposes when enough coal is
being produced for those purposes?
view.
NEW MEMBER SWORN.
Percy Gott Barstow, Esquire, for the
County of York, West Riding (Pontefract Division).
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
Ordered,
Mr. Grenfell: Special attention is being
given to the need for the most equitable
distribution of coal for all household purposes, and I have no doubt that opportunities for stocking will be afforded to
all consumers when adequate supplies
become available.
WAGES AND PRICES (WHITE
PAPER).
That this day, notwithstanding any-
thing in Standing Order No. 14. Business in
Committee of Supply may be taken after the
hour appointed for the interruption of Business and that the Proceedings of the Committee of Supply be exempted, at this day's
Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing
Order (Sittings of the House)." -[[[he Prime
Minister.)
and
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
That they have agreed toFinancial Powers (U.S.A. Securities)
Bill and War Damage (Extension
of Risk Period) Bill, without
Amendment.
Major Adams asked the Prime Minister
whether he will allow a day for a Debate
on Command Paper 6294 on the subject
of inflation?
Mr. Attlee: I would refer my hon. and
Friend to the statement I
made
course
of the which
gallantthe
during
Business
-
statement on Thursday last.
NATIONAL FINANCE.
PURCHASE TAX.
Mr. Thorne asked the Chancellor of the
the Exchequer whether he can give any
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information in connection with the charges
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the places to which civil servants and
their offices have been evacuated.
a
Company, made against Bethnal the Green, Beaucraft for Furniture Purchase
MINISTRY OF FOOD (TRADING
Tax evasion; and what was the value of
the goods on which the tax had been
ACTIVITIES).
evaded and the total loss to the revenue?
Sir K. Wood: This firm was charged
with furnishing false tax returns, producing and using false documents and
making false statements in connection with
the tax. The value of the goods involved
was not less than £4,200, on which the
tax evaded was about £1,400.
INCOME TAX (WIDOWERS).
Mr. Hannah asked the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether he realises the hard-
ship to widowers still having to keep up
their houses being taxed as single men;
and will he consider some relief?
Mr. Rostron Duckworth asked the Par-
liamentary Secretary to the Ministry of
Food what profit has accrued to the Government in respect of the trading activities of his Department in commodities in
short supply?
Major Lloyd George: The Ministry of
as a in the a
Food's trading activities must be
substantial whole
andhas
aggregate
very
loss
beenregarded
incurred
in
carrying out the Government's policy of
subidising certain essential foodstuffs.
Profits have, however, arisen
to the
selling at the
of commodities mainly owing on necessity certain
penny per in the of
fixing retail lb., and prices early days nearest
Sir K. Wood: As my hon. Friend is no
doubt aware a deduction of tax on £50
can be claimed by a widower in respect
of a resident housekeeper. I cannot see
my way to propose any further special
are offset against the heavy losses incurred
in subsidising other foodstuffs.
GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS.
FOOD SUPPLIES (SMALL
CIVIL SERVANTS (BILLETING).
Sir L. Lyle asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food
relief to widowers.
Mr. Roland Robinson asked the Secretary to the Treasury, to what extent the
of has
and whether
been he compulsory will adopted billeting in the country; Civil Servants
state the general policy and the
chief areas affected?
Sir K. Wood: I regret that I have no
statistics to show the precise extent to
to
the war to requisitioning of stocks. Such
profits are not substantial in amount in
relation to the Ministry's activities, and
TRADERS).
whether, before deciding to eliminate as
purveyors of rationed food, traders with
fewer than 25 registered customers, he
formed any estimate of the number of
such traders; and, if so, whether he will
state what it was?
Major Lloyd George: The answer to
tion was
the
in
course civil which it to has compulsory been necessary powers have billeting reI
in a few cases
that only servants. very understand, however, has this
expedient been adopted. The
been to enlist the of
the policy householders
has goodwill
concerned
and I general
to
has been
ful. say It that is it generally am success- glad
hoped that householders and
of houses will consuch assistance as
are tinue proprietors
to render boarding they
to giveable
in this
must out
matter, modation but for I point very that difficult accom-
people transferred to carry
out essential work must be secured, and
only in the last resort is recourse had to
last compulsory powers. With regard to the
in part of the question, it would not be
the public interest to publish a list of
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first is in part the negative. of my hon. It Friend's impossible Ques-
to form any such estimate until the new
registrations were completed.
Sir L. Lyle asked the Parliamentary
Secretary to the Ministry of Food the
number of small shopkeepers in Bournemouth who are likely to be affected by
the regulation withdrawing food rations
from shopkeepers who have fewer than
25 registered customers; whether he will
lay upon the Table of the House copies
of the instructions designed to bring to
the notice of the Food Committee his
promise of considerate treatment; and
whether. in the case of any adverse decision, these traders will have any right
of appeal?
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Major Lloyd George: The answer to the
of hon. Friend's is
number
of small
first that part
the my shopkeepers
Question in
who are likely to be
the arrangement to
affected Bournemouth by the which recent he
refers will not be known until
re-registration of customers with individual
shopkeepers has been examined. In reply
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the fact that membership of the Home
Guard relieves a member of the obligation
of attending a fixed number of hours on
fire-watching?
Captain Margesson: This proposal has
been considered, but it was decided that
it would not be practicable to enforce
to of which
thereference is
such a condition universally, as members
of the Home Guard engaged in essential
confidential. In the case of an adverse
vented from attending parades for reasons
instruction the second to part Question is made the
-
decision the trader concerned may appeal
to the divisional food officer.
BRITISH ARMY.
LOST EQUIPMENT (DEBITING).
Mr. Ness Edwards asked the Secretary
of State for War whether he is aware that
the Paymaster of the Royal Engineers
has debited the accounts of certain mem-
bers of that unit with sums up to £II for
equipment lost whilst these men were
swimming for their lives from ships that
were sunk in the Dunkirk evacuation;
and whether he will take the necessary
occupations may on occasion be prebeyond their control. I would, however,
remind my hon. Friend that a battalion
commander in the Home Guard has the
power to discharge members of his battalion who wilfully disregard their obligations, and I think that in matters of this
kind we must rely upon his judgment.
POST-WAR RECONSTRUCTION.
Mr. Daggar asked the Minister without
Portfolio, whether he will give particulars and personnel of the various bodies
undertaking surveys in connection with
post-war problems; and the degree to
steps to cause these sums to be refunded
to the soldiers concerned?
which his Department is financing them?
Mr. Sandys: I have made thorough inquiries but am unable to trace any case
for me to provide my hon. Friend with
a list of all the surveys which are being
undertaken by independent agencies in
in which a soldier's account has been
debited in respect of equipment lost, in
the circumstances to which my hon.
Friend refers. I shall be glad therefore if
my hon. Friend will supply me with the
particulars of the cases upon which the
allegation contained in his Question is
based.
AUXILIARY TERRITORIAL SERVICE
(UNIFORM).
Mr. Quibell asked the Secretary of
State for War, whether, in adopting the
new Auxiliary Territorial Service uniform,
arrangements will be made to ensure that
there is no waste of any of the old type
uniforms now in stock?
Captain Margesson: Yes, Sir.
HOME GUARD.
Mr. Isaacs asked the Secretary of State
for War whether he has considered, or
will consider, the advisability or practicability of making it a condition of membership of the Home Guard that members
must accept an obligation to attend a
fixed minimum number of attendances at
parades each week or month, in view of
Mr. Greenwood: It would be impossible
connection with post-war problems. The
only, survey which is receiving financial
support from the Government is the
Social Reconstruction Survey instituted
under the auspices of the Nuffield College
authorities. Full particulars of the personnel employed by the Survey and of
the financial support which the Government is providing towards the expenses
of the Survey were given in my answer
to the hon. Member for Cambridge University (Mr. Pickthorn) on 2nd July.
Mr. Daggar asked the Minister without
Portfolio whether, in a consideration of
to deal with the
it have
plans is intended to post-war regard situation, to the
recommendations of the Royal Commission on the Distribution of the Industrial
Population; and whether he will consider
such plans to be of immediate importance
and urgency?
Mr. Greenwood: The Government have
of the on
had under
already Report Royal Commission consideration the the
Distribution of the Industrial Population
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the light of the changes in the indus-
in situation since the report was pretrial pared Plans for dealing with the post-
situation in this and other fields are
being war examined with full regard to the
importance of the issues involved.
Mr. Daggar asked the Minister without
Portfolio whether it is proposed to await
the result of any post-war reconstruction
surveys before laying before Parliament
plan for dealing with the problems
any that will arise after the war, such as unemployment due to the existence of special
areas; and, if not, when it is proposed to
produce such plans for discussion in the
explore the possibility of arranging for the
transfer of these men from enemy countries to Switzerland?
Mr. Law: If my hon. and gallant Friend
means a one-sided arrangement under
which, while the British party are transferred to Switzerland, the German party
are to remain in British hands, there is no
ground for supposing that the German
Government would accept it. His
Majesty's Government are, however,
examining every possibility of overcoming
the transport difficulty which is the main
complete all the preliminary investigations
which are necessary before any plans for
with
are prothe House, and they
dealing duced to post-war problems in particular
a full study
-
before
are issues making involved
producing of all the plans complex for
dealing with unemployment.
MEDICAL SUPPLIES, HANKOW.
Mr. Nunn asked the Secretary of State
for
Affairs aware
that British at
Foreign the dispensary whether he Hankow is has
been obliged to close down its business
-
obstacle to any arrangement on a
reciprocal basis.
House?
Mr. Greenwood: The Government will
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GREAT BRITAIN AND SPAIN.
Mr. Shinwell asked the Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs whether the
recent speech by General Franco has been
the subject of communication between His
Majesty's Government and the Govern-
ment of the United States of America;
and whether it is proposed to take any
action.
Mr. Law: The answer to the first part
of the Question is in the affirmative. Hon.
Members will be aware that General
Franco's speech has already been the sub-
of at con-
ject of a statement
owing to the refusal of the Japanese
Acting Secretary State by the I have United his Press at States
authorities to permit the shipment of essential supplies; and whether he will take up
the matter with the Japanese Government
and also with the International Red Cross
nothing to add to the statement which my
right hon. Friend made on 24th July.
ference on 23rd July. present
Mr. Shinwell asked the Secretary of
made to
State Affairs whether he has
Society?
Mr. Law: The Hankow dispensary
ceased business last April owing to diffi-
culties arising out of the closure of the
Yangtse. Special efforts to helprathis
British firm were made by His Majesty's
Consuls-General at Hankow and Shanghai,
and some shipments of medical supplies
were permitted to Hankow for the dispen-
sary. Owing, however, to great delays,
and to the fact that no miscellaneous goods
were allowed to be shipped, the turnover
for any Foreign representations the Spanish
Government on the recent speech by
General Franco; and whether any reply
has been received?
Mr. Law: No, Sir. The attitude of His
Majesty's Government should, however,
be clear to the Spanish Government from
my right hon. Friend's statement in reply
to the hon. Member for East Wolverhampton (Mr. Mander) on 24th July.
became insufficient to keep the firm in
business.
CIVIL DEFENCE.
EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.
PRISONERS OF WAR
(REPATRIATION).
Sir A. Knox asked the Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs whether, pending
an agreement for the repatriation of
badly-wounded prisoners of war, he will
Sir H. Morris-Jones asked the Minister of
Health what progress has been made with
the recently
forproposal,
the services
1,000
securing announced
of by doctors him,
from the United States of America to help
in the medical services of this country?
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Miss Horsbrugh: The scheme to which
my hon. Friend refers has not yet become
fully operative. According to information
recently received from the American Red
Cross some 80 United States doctors who
have applied under the scheme are at
present being considered for acceptance,
in addition to one who has already arrived
is at work
and
incivilahospital
and
four who are on their way to this country.
CAMOUFLAGE.
Sir J. Graham Kerr asked the Home
Secretary what steps are taken to ensure
Men and
boys-I4,204,000,
141,000
deposit
contributors,including
Women and girls-7,243,000, includ.
ing 155,000 deposit contributors.
The total sum paid out in benefits in the
year ended 31st December, 1940, was
£34,197,000, the accumulated funds at
the 31st December, 1940, amounted to
by or on to
£146,799,000, and the amounted invested
£61,224,000. behalf The of Approved expenditure Societies in the
year ended 31st December, 1940, on sick.
ness,
was:-disablement and additional benefits
that experimental results obtained by
Service Departments in relation to
Men
camouflage are made known to other
camouflage are discussed by the technical
sub-committee of the camouflage committee
which has met regularly at frequent intervals since its formation and on which the
Services Departments are represented.
NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE
Mr. Thorne asked the Minister of
Health how many people came under the
health insurance system in Great Britain
and Northern Ireland for the year ending
1940, giving separate figures for men and
women; how many rank as deposit con-
tributors; the total income paid out in
benefits; the accumulated funds; the
amount invested by or on behalf of the
approved societies; the expenditure on
sickness and disablement benefit, giving
separate figures in weeks and separate
figures for men and women; expenditure
on additional benefits in cash and other
benefits; the amount standing to the credit
at
or how
number of societies of societies the last branches; valuation; the many total
societies had deficiencies, and their membership; and how the deficiencies were
made good?
Miss Horsbrugh: The figures
are respect of Great
below
is in Britain given as
it not possible in the time available to
include those for Northern Ireland At
31st December, 1939 (the latest date for
which such information can be given), the
number
of insured persons was as
follows:-
t
Sickness benefit
Disablement
benefit.
£
Mr. Mabane: All results obtained by the
Services from experimental work in
Total
8,114,000
3,781,000
4,024,000
1,479,000
304,000
2,029,000
/
Departments interested so that the country
may obtain full value from such results?
Women
12,138,000
5,810,000
Additional benefits
Cash
Non-cash
1,783,000
2,416,000
(Separate figures in weeks are not available).
As regards the remaining parts of the
Question, the fifth valuations of the
approved societies will be completed during the coming autumn, and it is expected
that a short report by the Government
Actuary, incorporating some statistics of
the results, will be available early next
year.
INDIA (AEROPLANE ENGINES).
Sir W. Smiles asked the Secretary of
State for India whether any aeroplane
engines are now manufactured in India?
Mr. Amery: No, Sir.
HOUSEHOLD WASTE
(COLLECTION).
Mr. Evelyn Walkden asked the Parlia-
mentary Secretary to the Ministry of
Supply what were the amounts of kitchen
waste collected by each local authority in
the months of January and June, 1941, in
the counties of Lancashire, Surrey and
Yorkshire?
Mr. Harold Macmillan: The following
list gives the tonnages of kitchen waste
food sold during the months of January
and June, 1941, by those local authorities
in the Counties of Lancashire, Surrey and
Yorkshire who are making collections:-
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Tons sold.
LANCASHIRE.
Esber
Liverpool
38
182
224
Manchester
Oldham
Guildford
Hambledon
85
Preston
7
9
Rochdale
-
Total
25
I
Southport
11
14
10
I
Salford
58
-
Godstone
29
7
21
388
517$
15
9
Warrington
Rural Districts
170
92
28
Woking
2
Bury
13
9
4
Merton and Morden
19
Burnley
-
Frimley and Camberley
Haslemere
8
Bootle
5
2
5
5
58
Bolton
9
21
-
Farnham
32
43
18
1
31
26
50
6
Blackburn
Blackpool
Carshalton
Coulsdon and Purley
9
-
January. June.
Urban Districts
Tons sold.
June
January
County Boroughs
1270
60
82
YORKSHIRE
Wigan
Tons sold
Boroughs
County Boroughs
Barnsley
Bradford
Dewsbury
Doncaster
7
24
I
-
#
2
4
6
1
Hoyton with Roby
Kearsley
It
3
Oswaldtwistle
Ramsbottom
3
I
17
West Houghton
2.
IO
10
Pudsey
Redcar
-
12
20
Ripon
-
17
This
-
Tyldesley
Urmston
-
Scarborough
4
9
Todmorden
Whitefield
Ig
19
17
Ossett
4
Thornton Cleveleys
14
10
Keighley
Morley
6
61
10
-
Harrogate
2
130
105
-
Brighouse
31
31
41
Bridlington
I
Horwich
46
13
164
Boroughs
Batley
Beverley
5f
8
Fulwood
338
38
1
2
Denton
Droylsden
297
2
Brierfield
Leeds
Sheffield
York
2
-
Adlington
190
Middlesbrough
Rotherham
-
Abram
255
3
Urban Districts
55
Hull
5
Stretford
10
I
-
Radcliffe
Halifax
Huddersfield
33
32
6
-
Nelson
27
I
5
Fleetwood
10
11
8
133
9
15
16
Farnworth
150
8
12
7
12
12
7
Crosby
Darwen
51
18
8
441
Accrington
Colne
January. June
4
Urban Districts
Featherstone
Guisborough
25
20
18
153
61
10
Flaxton
-
30
Total 1,103 1,240
6
-
Rural Districts
to
I
26
Wath-upon-Dearne
-
2
9
37
2
31
Sowerby Bridge
Wombwell
Worsborough
I
41
I
22
15
was
2
-
-
I
Sutton and Cheam
Stanley
I
Reigate
Surbiton
Silsden
28
131
16
2
5
Malden and Coombe
3
19
Kingston-on-Thames
Mitcham
1
Guilford
Rothwell
I
Epsom and Ewell
Godalming
1
15
2
6j
Shipley
Beddington and Wallington
16
I
Barnes and Richmond
-
Ilkley
Mexborough
Mirfield
Rawmarsh
1
57
Boroughs
I
January. June.
County Borough
Croydon
-
Hoyland Nether
Tons sold
-
I
I
SURREY
48
I
I
1,074
-
4
590
5
Total
Baildon
Bingley
Castleford
Denholme
5
-
Blackburn
6
Rural Districts
441
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PETROL COUPONS (THEFT,
MORDEN).
Mr. Thorne asked the Parliamentary
Secretary to the Ministry of War Trans-
volunteers for training sufficiently in
vance
I am
it to meet the demand
should of be their possible needs, satisfied that ad.
for milkers in full.
whether he can any
in
port connection with give the 300,000 information petrol
GERMAN SCHOOL-BOOK.
coupons that were stolen from the Depart-
ment's office at Morden, Surrey, on
Thursday last?
Colonel Llewellin: Some 43,500 coupons
to the value of about 250,000 units of
motor fuel were stolen. I am pleased to
inform the House that practically the
-
whole of the coupons have been recovered
and that an arrest has been made.
AGRICULTURE.
WOMEN'S LAND ARMY.
Major Leighton asked the Minister of
Agriculture what number of members of
the Women's Land Army have been
placed in employment during recent
Mr. Boyce asked the President of the
Board of Education whether he is now
in a position to make a statement regard.
ing the removal of the pro-Nazi book,
Das Neue Deutschland, from the list
of those prescribed for the Oxford and
Cambridge Higher Certificate for 1942?
Mr. Butler: Yes, Sir. I am informed
that, in deference to the views of the
Board of Education, the Oxford and
Cambridge Joint Board have decided to
withdraw the book in question.
DOCKYARD APPRENTICES (PASS
LIST).
Sir A. Maitland asked the Financial
weeks; and whether that employment is
temporary or permanent in character?
Secretary to the Treasury on what
grounds the editor of the Sheerness
Mr. Hudson: During the month of May,
1,678 members of the Women's Land
of the successful candidates at the recent
Army were placed in employment in
England and Wales and, during June, a
further 1.801 members. No member of
the regular force of the Women's Land
Army is placed in employment except on
the understanding that the work will be
regular throughout the year.
MILKING INSTRUCTION
Sir G. Jeffreys asked the Minister of
Agriculture the number of members of the
Women's Land Army or women unattached thereto who have since the start
of the war, learned or been taught how
to milk cows; and whether he is satisfied
with the measures of extension of this
knowledge?
Mr. Hudson: No exact analysis of
Women's Land Army trainees is avail-
able, but it may be taken that of the
15,000 members of the Land Army now at
work, approximately one-half are in employment which includes milking. I am
not in a position to give information
about women outside the Women's Land
Army who may have gained experience
in milking since the outbreak of
to provide
tion farmers will able milking war. instruc- If
apply for Women's Land Army
Times and Guardian was refused a list
open competitive examination for the
entry of apprentices for His Majesty's
dockyard?
Captain Crookshank: In view of the
paramount necessity for paper economy,
it was decided to reduce to a minimum
the number of copies of this list to be
printed, as it is a document of 70-80
pages. Candidates themselves do not
receive a copy of it, but only an extract
giving details of their own performance.
No copies were furnished to any news
papers.
HEYSHAM-BELFAST STEAMER
(SAILING TIMES).
Dr. Little asked the Parliamentary
Secretary to the Ministry of War Transport whether, in order to lessen the time
required for the journey from London to
Belfast, via Heysham, which is causing
much discontent. he will arrange for the
train from Leeds to arrive at Heysham
shortly after the train from London, thus
obviating a considerable wait there?
Colonel Llewellin: I am informed that
the intervals between the arrival of the
three trains connecting with the boa
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Heysham are arranged so as to
ensure from sufficient time for the completion
the formalities necessary before
of embarkation, and that it is impracticable the
reduce the interval between
to arrival of the first train and the sailing
of the boat. I am ready to discuss the
matter with my hon. Friend, as it is, of
course, not in the general public interest
or in the particular interest of passengers
on these boats to discuss in public the
times of sailing.
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ROYAL NAVY (CONVOY
SIGNALMEN).
Lieut.-Commander Gurney Braithwaite asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is now in a position to
make a statement regarding facilities for
to pass the
of yeoman after
convoy rating leading convoy signalmen of signals for
a suitable period of sea service?
Mr. Alexander: Yes, Sir. It has been
decided to provide these facilities as soon
as practicable. It is hoped to promul-
July, 1941, was on the roll of employees
available as pilots, or, if the total number
cannot be given, what percentage of the
above-mentioned roll was represented by
the total of each rank as classified?
Mr. Montague: It would not be in the
public interest to disclose the number of
pilots employed by the Air Transport
Auxiliary. Percentages of the total num-
ber of employees holding the ranks
classified on the 2nd July, 1941, represented by the total of each rank and the
percentages available as pilots are as
follows:-
Captain, 1.8 per cent., of which 52.5
per cent. are available as pilots.
Junior Captain 3.2 per cent., of which
100.0 per cent. are available as pilots.
First Officer, 42.5 per cent., of which
90.9 per cent. are available as pilots.
Second Officer, 20.6 per cent., of which
73.0 per cent. are available as pilots.
Probationary Cadets, 31.9 per cent., of
of which 100.0 per cent. are available
as pilots.
gate details shortly.
AIR TRANSPORT AUXILIARY.
Mr. Garro Jones asked the Minister of
Aircraft Production the total revenue of
the Air Transport Auxiliary Service in
each quarterly or other convenient period
for which records are available and the
source of that revenue?
Mr. Montague: I would refer my hon.
Friend to the answer which I gave to-day
in reply to a similar Question on this
matter.
Mr. Garro Jones asked the Minister of
Aircraft Production what total number of
each rank of Air Transport Auxiliary
Service employees, as classified on 2nd
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CEYLON (IMMIGRATION).
Mr. David Adams asked the Under-
Secretary of State for the Colonies
whether he can make a statement on the
position of immigration into Ceylon of
non-Ceylonese labour?
Mr. George Hall: Discussions have been
proceeding for some time past between
the Governments of India and Ceylon re-
garding the immigration of Indian
labourers into the island. A conference
was held at Delhi last November, in
which representatives of both Governments took part, but no settlement was
reached. There is reason to hope that
negotiations may be re-opened in the
near future.
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The Prime Minister (Mr.
ORDERS OF THE DAY.
22nd
this year I
House January of Churchill): explained On to
the the system of
at
my
be
those
who
gotten is the
which it was
SUPPLY.
adopt. and production I have administration proposed to
stated these in detail and
[17TH ALLOTTED DAY.]
Considered in Committee.
length, studied and again I hope by statement have may for-
is the to
[SIR DENNIS HERBERT in the Chair.]
CIVIL ESTIMATES, 1941.
which, followed it, in since, because general and it it system system we have
and in principle, I propose to adhere. Changes in personnel are
UNCLASSIFIED SERVICES.
caused from time to time by the of
in are
of
MINISTRY OF SUPPLY.
events provement. and by Changes the duty machinery continual march im.
PRODUCTION.
experience, and,
Motion made, and Question proposed,
That a sum, not exceeding 90, be granted
to His Majesty, to complete the sum necessary
of
on
31st
day
for
penses exex-
to the which will come in course
payment defray of of March. the during charge Ministry 1942, the of year Supply. the ending salaries including and the
penses of the Royal Ordnance Factories.
The Chairman: There are on the Order
Paper to-day four Votes for four major
Ministries-the Ministry of Supply, the
Ministry of Aircraft Production, the
Ministry of Labour and National Service,
and the Admiralty. I understand these
Votes have been put down in the belief,
no doubt a correct belief, that the Committee desire to have a general and wide
discussion in Committee of Supply on the
subject of Production. The Rules of De-
bate in Committee of Supply would
normally make this quite impossible, but,
the be the
wish Committee, the Chair will
of
under emergency of the the circumstances period, if it and in view general
raise no objection. But I feel bound to
add that the very rapid, I might call it
these from
the in cause
exotic, Rules growth of Debate of Supply departures may
hon. Members, as well as the Chair, very
great trouble in future, when it becomes
necessary again to enforce some of these
Rules. I trust that the Committee, there-
fore, will bear in mind that this is not
merely an ordinary departure, but is an
extraordinary departure from our Rules
purposes an
the has
place
these I
come-and
taken for In view the of in rapid of growth emergency which period.
to bear this
Members the time has departures, in should mind-when like think hon.
to some in
have to
some be the given consideration making will probably alterations
Rules of Debate in Committee of
Supply.
we to learn.
is we
mind
and
while enjoined agreeable live by to the ought human naturally, Change gives
to
But,
if is convinced, and those to
ardent satisfaction, Parliament and anxious sometimes public short-lived, opinion.
whom it has given its confidence are con-
vinced,. that the system is working well
and smoothly, then I say change for the
sake of change is to be deprecated. In
war-time, especially in vast, nation-wide,
and in some respects world-wide organisa-
tion, continuity and stability must not be
underrated. If we were perpetually to be
altering our system or lending ourselves
too lightly to that process, we might
achieve the appearance of energy and
reform only at the expense of the authority
of individuals and only to the detriment of
the smooth working of the machinery, and
at a heavy cost in output, which is the
sole objective. Therefore, it is at the
point where I left off this subject when I
discussed it with the House in January
that I take up my theme to-day.
must the
There are two *main aspects in which
organisation production of planning be considered. and control, First, and,
secondly, the actual conditions present in
the factories. Let us see first of all what
was, and what is, the system upon which
the high administrative control of our war
effort proceeds. The foundation must, of
course, be a single, co-ordinated plan for
the programmes of the three Services
based upon our strategic needs. In my
capacity as Minister of Defence, without
which I could not bear the responsibilities
entrusted to me for bringing about a suc-
cessful outcome of the war, in that
capacity, I prepared for the War Cabinet
during the first three months of this year
a revised general scheme, bringing
together the whole of our munition pro-
29 JULY 1941
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1277
the highest at
we to aim. purpose
and import programme, and pre-
duction which scribing ought reasonable For this target
I was furnished with the forward programmes of the various fighting Departments, very much in the same way as the
Service Estimates are brought before the
Cabinet and the Treasury in the autumn
in of proand
grammes time orally peace. I discussed in writing Chiefs these of with those the
Ministers and Service
Departments. The programmes were also
examined by my own statistical Depart-
now
of of
the
Lord and
the
ment Cherwell, under Professor through Lindemann, the machinery
peace-time which, the Office as Committee House the Minister knows, of Imperial embodies of Defence, Defence
organisation. The work of these organisations proceeds ceaselessly. The strategic
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I do not believe they bear any proportion
worth mentioning to their individual and
concerted efforts. It must be remembered
that a very high proportion of our war
production is carried out in factories work-
ing solely for one Department That is
naval
ing true firms, of aircraft ordnance factories, factories, automobile shipbuild-
factories and many others.
the the of
A system has also been worked out for
either to
ments, or, cases, to two or more
engineering allocation in firms, other of capacity single depart- private
Departments in stated proportions. Probably half the factories concerned and certainly more than three-quarters of the men
employed are working now, at this time,
for one single Department. The Admiralty
has its many firms, with their factories
dating from long ago and kept alive dur-
ing our rotten periods by Admiralty orders.
of
considered
mittee, which meets every day,
aspect production by the Chiefs is also of Staff continually to advise Com-
upon or direct the conduct of the war.
The general scheme, or War Supply
Budget for the year 1941, a series of
printed documents agreed with the Service
Ministers and comprising a perfectly clear
apportionment of resources and tasks,
received the final approval of the War
Cabinet on 31st March, and thereafter
became mandatory on all Departments.
There is. of course, no absolute finality
in this scheme. Within its general framework revision and adjustment under the
The Air Ministry has been striving for a
great many years to build up an aircraft
industry in this island pending the day
when Parliament should decide to have an
Air Force equal to any within striking dis-
tance of these shores. The War Office,
always in time of peace the drudge and
starveling of British defence, had its own
ordnance factories and was at last on the
eve of the war accorded a Ministry of
Supply and this Ministry of Supply has
of course extended over a very large part
of the remaining British industry.
At the point which we have now
pressure of events are continuous.
reached in our munitions development
So much for the framework of the
general layout. The execution of this
almost all firms and factories are working
under the complete control of the Government at the fulfilment of the approved and
concerted programmes. They are either
scheme on the military side is confined to
the three great Supply Departments,
namely, the Controller's Department of
the Admiralty, the Ministry of Supply and
the Ministry of Aircraft Production. The
work has been parcelled out, and it
remains for them to do it. The picture so
luridly drawn of the chaotic and convulsive struggles of the three Supply Departments, without guidance or design, is one
no doubt be to our
has no relation to
The question however arises
enemies, the which facts. will but happily pleasing
whether in their execution of the approved
scheme the three
been in on
through excess of zeal have
have the contrary, either wanting Supply energy. Departments or,
with each tres-
upon each other's There
passed quarrelled are no other domain. or have
doubt instances of friction at the
fringe of these powerful organisations, but
working directly or indirectly in the
sphere of war production, or they are ministering to our domestic and other needs.
In this domestic field also, however, a
very complete and searching organisation
under Government control has been instituted. At the present moment, the whole
industry of the country with inconsiderable exceptions, which may soon be linked
up and absorbed, is assigned its function
under Government authority. There are
no doubt a number of minor aspects of
our national life which have not yet been
effectively regimented. When and as
they are wanted, their turn will come. We
are not a totalitarian State but we are
steadily, and I believe as fast as possible,
working ourselves into total war organi-
sation. When we are given vivid in-
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1280
[The Prime Minister.]
stances of lack of organisation or of interdepartmental rivalry in some of the shops
competent persons who work night and
day on both sides of the ocean, in this
sphere is, I am glad to say, steady and
and factories, and when these are all
progressive.
bunched together to make an ill-smelling
Now I come to the home scene. What
are the relations of the three Supply Departments in the vast fertile production
field of this busy island? I have already
said that for their chief production each of
the Fighting Services through its Supply
Department or Ministry to an overwhelm.
it is as well to
the of
posy, area just disputation is limited, remember circum- that
scribed and constantly narrowing.
In order to regulate the imports of commodities from abroad in accordance with
the policy prescribed by the War Cabinet, we have, as I explained six months
ago, the Import Executive comprising the
heads of the Importing Departments, and
presided over by my right hon. Friend the
President of the Board of Trade, and
formerly by him when he was Minister of
Supply. This is working very smoothly
and I am not aware of any troubles or
disputes which have arisen. I should certainly hear of these soon enough if there
were any. By the side of this Import
Executive we have the North American
Supply Committee with its elaborate
corresponding organisation in the United
States. We are always trying to tighten
up and make more precise and definite the
work of our Purchasing Commissions in
the United States. I should certainly not
pretend that there is not a great deal of
room for improvement and refinement,
but it would be a mistake to suppose that
the efficiency of our Purchasing Commissions under the supreme control of
Mr. Purvis has not reached a very high
level or that it is not constantly being
shaped and sharpened. A year ago, six
months ago, there were a lot of troubles
and discordances but latterly, although
again I should be the first to hear of them,
my information is that they have very
largely died away.
We have of course to come to very
clear-cut agreements with our American
friends and helpers. They are making an
immense effort for the common cause and
they naturally ask for the fullest and
clearest information about what is happen-
ing to their goods and whether there is
waste or misdirection. It is our duty to
satisfy them that there is no muddle, or
that muddle is reduced to a minimum and
ing extent commands its own factories and
labour. Nevertheless, there is an inevitable region of debatable ground of firms
which serve several Departments at once
Many of them are small sub-contracting
firms or firms which make components.
Besides this, a process of change is con-
tinually going forward to meet the
rapidly varying demands of the war. A
firm is resigned by the Admiralty and can
be transferred either to the Ministry of
Aircraft Production or to the Ministry of
Supply. Particular lines of production
acquire special urgency or importance as
we gain experience from the fighting or as
new ideas come along. One line of production dries up because it is no longer
needed; another opens or grows in scale.
Obviously there is rivalry in this part of
the field between the Supply Departments.
There ought to be rivalry and there ought
to be zealous competition within the limits
of the programme prescribed. It is this
zealous competition, limited though it be
to a fraction of our industry, which presents the hard cases and sometimes the
bad instances of which so much is made.
It is among other things for the purpose of resolving the disputes and rivalries
of the Departments in this limited field
that the Production Executive was called
into being in January. The Minister of
Labour, himself a contributory factor as
Minister of Labour to the work of the rest
of the Executive and himself a Member
of the War Cabinet, presides over a committee of six, three of whom are the heads
of the Supply Departments, and the other
two are the President of the Board of
Trade and the Minister of Works and
Buildings. As I explained to the House
ordering of imports and of the British
six months ago, all the members of this
body have every interest to agree. They
may have different interests to advocate
because they have different duties to discharge, but it is a delusion to suppose
purchases in the United States, and in
the relations of the very large number of
sponsibility and try to work together for
that they are getting value for their
money. We welcome their criticism because it is at once searching, friendly and
well informed. The improvement in the
that they do not feel a corporate re-
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and for the execu-
the programmes
the tion common of purpose approved
entrusted to them. If they agree they
have the power to act. Each can make
his contribution to the common action
immediately and the movement of labour
and materials can be ordered there and
then. If there is a difference which
cannot be settled by agreement or compromise, any Minister of Cabinet rank,
and they are all such, has the right of
appeal to the War Cabinet, or, as between
the Service Supply Departments, in the
first instance to me as Minister of Defence.
During my tenure I have seen some very
sharp differences but those differences have
now no
never been so sharp as they were, as I
well remember having lived through it, in
the of the last war. All I can
or
question days is that of departmental for the last four rivalry months dis- say
pute has been brought to me or the War
Cabinet from the Production Executive.
I give the assurance to the House to-day
that in the high controlling organisation
there is now no dispute in progress about
priorities of labour, raw materials, fac-
tory space or machine tools. Do not
suppose however that this remarkable
fact is the result of inertia or decay. On
the contrary, as I shall show before I sit
down-I am afraid I shall have to make
a somewhat prolonged demand on the
patience of the Committee, the subject is
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1282
principle, and priorities are becoming
little more than a stimulus upon its de-
tailed assignments.
It is at this point and in this setting that
I will deal with the suggestion that a
Ministry of Production should be formed.
Several speakers referred to this in the
recent Debate, and apparently it is regarded by some of our most
newspapers as an easy and solu-
tion of difficulties.
speedy
important
our There
is however
a difference among the advocates of a
Ministry of Production. Some ask that
there should be a complete of
of the
or or
the
Air Departments
theSupply
Ministry
and themerging
War Admiralty,
be one
that shop, there vast should Department great Office, emporium common and
serving all fighting needs. That would
be very pretty if we were not at war.
Others, recoiling from the frightful disturbance and confusion which would
accompany the transition and the danger
of upsetting so much in the midst of war,
are content to ask for one Minister, presumably assisted by a secretarial staff,
who should be interposed between the
Prime Minister and Minister of Defence
and the three Supply Departments.
Nothing would be easier than for me to
gratify this request by asking one of my
colleagues in the War Cabinet to call
himself Minister of Production and to
duplicate the work of general apportion-
of great importance and must be dealt
with comprehensively-production in all
its forms is gaining steadily and swiftly,
ment which I already do. But, so far
present high altitude, in momentum.
cause of delay.
not only in volume, but, even at its
I may say, while I am on the point,
that much of this talk about the difficulties
of settling priorities is a back number.
The whole business of priorities has under-
gone a complete transformation. We
have no more of these arrogant, absolute
priorities in virtue of which one Departall that there was of
and left the
lesser ticular ment claimed commodity nothing for a par-
the IA is still mainparticular of
for indispensable priority needs of others.
tained Although but largely
as aircraft, and tanks it
for tion certain such psychological spheres reasons, produc-
exercised in the manner
war or in the of
from helping me in my task, or helping
the Departments in theirs, this would be
an additional complication, burden and
Moreover, the relations of this Minister
of Production with the three Supply De-
partments would be most unsatisfac-
tory. He would either have to trust
them and use them, as I do, for the pur-
pose of executing the prescribed programmes, or he would be left to break
into these Departments, interfere with
their work and try to get things done by
his personal exertions. The Ministers at
the head of these Departments are men
of energy, experience and knowledge.
They work night and day, and they have
powerful, far-reaching, swift-running
machinery at their disposal. If, in the
sphere assigned to them, they cannot
is of this, no the longer The last early crude months now,
execute the programme with which they
are charged, I do not myself see how a
to a large extent replaced the scale of
priorities.
Allocation is the governing
super Minister from outside, with his
skeleton staff, could do it for them. If
method of allocation of labour.
materials, and facilities has modified and
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HOUSE OF COMMONS
[The Prime Minister.]
the new Minister's control were nominal,
and did not affect the Ministerial respon-
sibility of the heads of the Supply Departments, it would be a farce and a fraud
upon the public to which I will not stoop.
If. on the other hand, the Minister of Production attempted to lay strong hands on
the internal administration and day-today work of these Departments, they
would confront him with a knowledge
superior to his own and far more intimate,
and all the resulting differences would
have to come to me, with very great fric-
tion to the administrative machine and
additional burdens upon the head of the
Government.
Furthermore, these matters cannot be
considered without reference to the personalities involved. I have not been told
who is to be this superman who, without
holding the office of Prime Minister, is to
exercise an overriding control and initia-
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128
are many things that go wrong and ought
senses
of
superbe
hethe
to be put right, but does anyone in his
up cases breakdowns
the the suggest hard Minister, that this that should and should take task
by direct intervention from above? All
he could do would be to refer complaints
the to
or scandals that came to his notice to
the heads of the three Supply Depart-
ments, not
he, no power to remove or
having Ministers and, if he involved, did would get satisfaction, have change
come to me, on whom rests the respon-
sibility of advising His Majesty in such
matters.
For good or ill, in any sensible organisation you must leave the execution
of policies already prescribed to the responsible Ministers and Departments. If
they cannot do it, no one can. It is to
them that complaints should be addressed
Supply and the three Ministers of Supply.
It is to them that Members should write
Any case of which full particulars are
provided-I must add that proviso-will
be searchingly examined. We do not
Where is the super-personality who, as
one of the members of the War Cabinet,
stand here to defend the slightest failure
of duty or organisation. But let us have
tive over the three Departments of
will dominate the vast, entrenched, established, embattled organisation of the Admiralty to whose successful exertions we
owe our lives? Where is the War
Cabinet Minister who is going to teach the
present Minister of Aircraft Production
how to make aircraft quicker and better
than they are being made now? Who is
the War Cabinet Minister who is going
to interfere with Lord Beaverbrook's con-
trol and discharge of the functions of
Minister of Supply duly and constitution-
ally conferred upon him? When you
have decided on the man, let me know
his name, because I should be very glad
to serve under him, provided that I was
satisfied that he possessed all the
Napoleonic and Christian qualities attri-
buted to him. In the conduct of vast,
nation-wide administration there must be
division of functions, and there must be
proper responsibility assigned to the de-
partmental chiefs. They must have the
power and authority to do their work, and
be able to take a proper pride in it when
it is done, and be held accountable for
it if it is not done.
Moreover, as I have tried to show, such
as exist are the
out in the a
difficulties summit but not country found at in
minority of smaller firms and factories.
I do not for a moment deny that there
the facts. A kind of whispering campaign has been set on foot; there is
flood of anonymous letters. Vague and
general charges are made. And all this
fills our shop window, greatly to our detriment. It is impossible for me, within the
limits of this Debate, to deal with various
specific allegations which were made by
Members in different parts of the House
in the two preceding days of this Debate.
Such a treatment of the matter would
be entirely out of proportion, and I should
have to trespass upon the Committee altogether unduly.
I turn aside, however, for a moment to
deal with one particular aspect of the
problem of production, namely machine
tools. The Times," in its leading article
this morning, makes the valuable sugges-
tion that a census of machine tools
throughout the country should be held.
There have already been three-in June,
1940, in November, 1940, and a partial
census of the principal firms in June,
1941. The Supply Ministers are responsible for the use of machine tools to the
best advantage. There is, however, a.
controller of machine tools, Mr. Mills, a
business man of the highest repute, whose
sole duty is to supervise their employment
by all Departments. By the joint agreement and good will of the three Supply
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29 JULY 1941
Departments, this gentleman has independent powers. He has his own repre-
sentatives throughout the country.
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1286
part of our common organisation for war
production has been more thoroughly
and
examined than the
of tools. No one can be
precisely right
hon.Member
engaged, question
asmachine
my Friend
the
for
Although he is actually under the Ministry
of Supply, he can remove any machine
tool that is idle from any Department or
factory and transfer it to another, and he
is continually exercising these powers. He
day without feeling that this is, as it
exercised them on several occasions against
were, the ganglion nerve, the centre of the
the late Minister of Aircraft Production
whole of supply. I said just now that I
cannot go into details of many of the
before the recent changes in the Govern-
ment took place. This functionary is
given these powers with good will by
people who wish to submit their Depart-
ments to his use of them.
There are, however, three limiting
factors in the use of machine tools. The
first is any shortage that may exist of
skilled labour, which we are striving by
every method to overcome. The second is
the undoubted difficulty we have found in
(Mr.
Carnarvon knows, in Boroughs munition production Lloyd for George) one
cases which hon Members brought up in
the Debate. If they will write about
them, they will be gone into in detail.
There was, however, one charge made
as
and
it
affects requires
by my hon. Friend the Member for
North Aberdeen (Mr. Garro Jones) which,
it has the United had wide States publicity supplies, as
to be answered. My hon. Friend said:
The sad feature of the United States
working to the full extent night shifts
under conditions of air attack. It is the
third limiting factor which gives rise to
supply of aircraft is that whereas orders were
energetically placed in the last two years or
more for airframes and engines, those who
the complaints which are made. I am not
an expert in these matters, but I am told
that there are between 200 and 300 kinds
that supplies of maintenance equipment and
ancillary equipment were provided. What is
the result? Of one type of aircraft imported
from the United States, complete and operationally ready, there are several hundreds or
were a few weeks ago-lying unpacked in
inland warehouses, in their crates, for the sole
reason that those who placed the orders on
of machine tools in our census. Their
effective use is governed by certain precision machine tools of which there is a short-
age. I need not say how intense are the
efforts to break down these vexatious
bottle-necks. Moreover, the precision
tools of which there is a shortage vary
sometimes with the varying demands of
war production, and sometimes the block
is found here and sometimes there. Thus,
when people go about the country and
see at some garage or factory or in some
small firm a number of machine tools
of the lower grades, or of peace-time
specialised types, lying idle and write to
their Member about it, the explanation is
not that the supply of machine tools is not
organised to the highest degree, not that
the Government do not know about these
machine tools, where they are and what
they are, not that they do not in general
know about them and have them on their
census list, it is because, owing to the
shortage at key points of special precision
types, many of these tools cannot be
brought into action, and there would be
no sense in crowding out the factories with
redundant machinery.
That is a digression which I have made
because I have read with some interest
the thoughtful article which appears in the
Times this morning. Hardly any
placed them forgot at the same time to ensure
behalf of the Ministry of Aircraft Pro-
duction did not order the necessary ancillary
equipment."-[Onn REPORT, 9th July,
1941; col. 204, Vol. 373-]
So far as aircraft on British orders are
have en-
concerned, this statement is quite untrue.
All
British always orders been placed for American with spare aircraft
gines and spares for airframes. There
has been no failure or oversight of this
kind in ordering British aircraft.
The mistake into which my hon. Friend
has fallen arose from an exceptional
event. When the French collapsed, all
their contracts for aircraft in the United
States were taken over immediately, for
what they were worth, by the Minister of
Aircraft Production. There was not an
hour's delay. These aircraft had to be
accepted in the condition in which they
were prepared for the French, under
French orders. This is the case to which
I am sure reference was made in this
passage of my hon. Friend's speech. They
had to be accepted in the condition in
which the French had specified them and
in which they were delivered by the
American manufacturers. This was a
windfall, but it had its drawbacks. For
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HOUSE OF COMMONS
[The Prime Minister.]
instance, the French Tomahawks arrived
without spare engines or spares for their
airframes, exactly as my hon. Friend
pointed out. They were built to take
French guns. Their wireless sets did not
tune with ours. Their instruments were
on the metric system. They were not
armoured according to our conditions.
They differed in many ways from our
methods of control and manoeuvre. Instead of pushing some lever forwards, you
had to pull it backwards, which our pilots
found most inconvenient.
As swiftly as possible these aircraft have
been modified and brought into use. The
cannibal system was frequently resorted to of necessity, leaving lots of them
partly gutted, but practically all of these
French American aeroplanes are in use
and have been most satisfactory in opera-
tion. Now there is the whole of that
story that has been paraded as a typical
scandal and example of how we do our
business.
Mr. Garro Jones (Aberdeen, North)
No one would be more delighted than I
to feel that British aeroplane orders were
complete with operational equipment. My
right hon. Friend has told the Committee
that the types ordered for the French were
not complete with operational equipment.
Did I understand him correctly to say that
the types ordered for British use were
complete with their operational equip-
ment?
The Prime Minister: Yes, I said that as
plainly as I could. I said that the suggestion that they had not been ordered
with their operational equipment was untrue, and I adhere to it. Everything that
has been ordered on British account has
been ordered complete. The aeroplanes
ordered on French account were lacking
in this equipment. An inquiry addressed
to the Minister concerned would have
elicited an immediate explanation, but
when allegations of this sort are given the
utmost publicity in Parliament by a Member speaking from the front Bench opposite, uninformed American readers-here
is where the serious part comes-must
come to the conclusion that there is disorganisation and incapacity in the conduct
our
so to be
opinion, of munitions damaging business, us, would and this
understanding. based entirely on It misconception is not, I am and glad mis- to
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1288
say, shared by the American authorities
I presided at a recent meeting attended
by Mr. Harry Hopkins, the Lease-Lend
authority, to whose words we listened
with so much comfort the other night.
He, with his full knowledge and attended
by expert American officers, dwelt upon
the trials and difficulties attending the
modification of aircraft from the United
States on French account and expressed
satisfaction with the arrangements we had
made to overcome them. But outside this
circle, who know all the facts, inside the
United States, where there is a vigorous
campaign against the policy pursued by
the President and the majority, I fear that
harm has been done, and it cannot be
easily overtaken or healed.
What are the other elements which pro-
duce oscillations or discordances in the
process of production? They arise, of
course, out of the changing conditions of
the war. As new needs arise, new direc-
tions have to be given, which undoubtedly cause disturbances in the flow
of production, but I must say I have the
feeling that the British machinery of production, vast and intricate though it be,
is capable not only of flexible adaptation
but of sustaining successfully a number
of inevitable jerks. These take place, for
instance, largely in the sphere of aircraft
production. The Minister of Aircraft
Production explained to the House on the
second day of this Debate the constant
changes in the design of aircraft which
arose from the progress of our aeronautics and our experience of manufacture
and war. He showed how it was sometimes inevitable that there should be a
break in the continuity of production
because one type had failed and another
had proved itself, because one type was
being faded out and another being worked
in, and how this must happen when you
run the risk of ordering off the drawing
board and carrying out large orders on
the basis of the pilot model without having
the time to go though all the processes
which in peace-time make the completion
of the aeroplane from the moment of its
conception a matter of five or six years.
It is a difficult question to decide when
the mass production of a particular type
should be discarded in favour of a new and
better type, and to what intensity such a
process of transformation should be car-
ried. I think on the whole, at this
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1941
1290
craft
of
athe
slowly
work
to
may
be discarded after too a run at the
and constructive. I have read the Seventeenth Report of the Select Committee
peak level-no
doubt for very good
fine reasons, greater bomb
conditions admittedly in satisfactory. with These the
moment, we have carried it a bit far. Airup particular peak of type short production which
so
National Expenditure. It deals on
filling factories.
are farthefrom
Since the war began great
in
to meet the
without been built time out-of-the-way factories districts, have
capacity, Simplification reasons, very greater and continuity speed and of serial forth. pro-
the
duction are, of course the basic factors
necessary in securing flow of output, and
it is a question of balancing between the
They amenities have of working population. needs and
mastery of the air, leadership and com-
their Although millions
full of proper
standards.
many
shells
theremaking
are still
several
mand
be
achieved a interminable error of
two sides. All the same, believe me,
in except design by cannot process possibly of
old
comes
You cannot even you
types. trial and Something afford to and miss better the it, scrapping along. if
have to pay, and pay heavily, in numbers
of output or dislocation in a section of the
workshops. The struggle for air mastery
requires vast numbers, but those vast
numbers could not succeed alone unless
not by any means yet reached
capacity and
we have been
millions of shells and their components,
including fuses, which are not yet filled.
no need for
exertion,
for But greater there
is because alarm, in but this rather war
we
are
at
men
as
m war, so at Nor
wefiring
a great
have the last
shells battlefront largely ground. and not,
are on an enormous
we are not on scale.
scale, engaged. but We making firing continuously any
It is important to remember in the battles
the forward leading types constantly
in the desert the difficulties of getting
achieve the highest level of enterprise and
ammunition to the places where the guns
are, and since the front in France broke
perfection. Combat in the air is the
quintessence of all physical struggle. To
lose primacy in the quality of the latest
machines would be incompatible with the
attainment of that command of the air in
quality and in quantity upon which a large
part of our confidence is founded.
am glad to tell the Committee that our
spring and summer fashions in aircraft
ary than were
are year
this German production farther ahead of contempor- they
year.
ourawhen
he
and we
felt ideas last from The fighter enemy aeroplanes borrowed many
too, but in the
we confronted him in with
borrowed have their from mettle him year ago, upshot
which in
and, above armaour with
even
an
sense
and ments have left added,
pilots gun of
technical the old,
fighter speed, ceiling aircraft all, performance, 1941
would take too to
as I could of the
causes of oscillation
superiority describe, smaller easily It do, some long
of the and
supply the
execution Navy
which show
Army affect
programmes.
I could
in a
would the Com-
a certain measure of
with way mittee which that I think satisfy change,
resulting dislocation, is inevitable
strenuous
conditions
of but
I under
do
the
war,
not propose to enter upon either of
those fields to-day.
Let me come, on the other hand, to
an example of criticism which is helpful
No. 91
down there is no field of fire for our
artillery. Therefore, what we have witnessed is not, as in the last war, as I
so me,
asthehon.
of intense
to
Friend know effort to before feed well the and guns did from feeling my day right day,
but we are piling up large and satisfactory
reserves with no corresponding outflow to
drain them off at the present time. Let
me say nothing which would in any way
remove from the minds of those engaged
in the filling factories the view that catching up with the filling of the already large
stores of components, fuses and shell-cases
is not a work of prime and high order and
of national importance.
Representatives of the Select Committee visited the filling factories in June and
they produced a number of extremely
shrewd and valuable suggestions dealing
with transport, hostels, canteens, Sunday
work and piece-work. We agree with
nearly all of them. We will adopt almost
all of them. We agree with them the
more readily and we can adopt them the
more speedily because, as I see from the
records, on 7th January and on 5th
February, in my capacity as Minister of
Defence, I presided over two successive
meetings of the Supply Committee on this
very subject. Almost every one of these
proposals had already been ordered to be
put into operation months before, and has
been or is being carried into effect with
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[The Prime Minister.]
very great improvement, in spite of the
many difficulties attendant upon the
1292
be voting against the Government or still
less
because the party Whips are acting
as tellers.
bringing into action of these great new
plants in out-of-the-way districts under
We are often told that the House of
Commons thinks this or
feels that,'
I have here a detailed account of all
that had been set on foot or that had
Newspapers write: The general feeling
was of grave uneasiness, There was
much disquiet in the Lobby," etc. All
the conditions which prevailed last winter.
been done before the Select Committee
visited the factories. I will send it to the
chairman of the Committee for their
further observations. It is too long
for me to read to the Committee in
detail, but it shows that great minds some-
times think alike, and that the Government great minds had a good long start
of the great minds of the Select Committee. The report of the Select Committee is the kind of criticism that one
wants-not mere vague abuse and prejudice, in which only bad citizens and
bad people indulge in times like these, but
helpful and constructive suggestions,
many of which were contained in the
speeches made from the Front Bench
opposite.
to to
I leave the first part of this subject,
comings dealing with alleged discordances be attributable and short-
faults or weaknesses in the high control,
and I come to the more general charges
of slackness and inefficiency in the factories themselves, whether due to local
lack of management or to lack of zeal
in the workpeople. There is a certain
class of member of all parties-yo can
count them on your fingers and toes
who feel, no doubt quite sincerely, that
their war work should be to belabour the
Government and portray everything at its
worst, in order to produce a higher efficiency. I see that a Motion has been put
on the Paper calling specifically for the
appointment of a Minister of Production.
I consider that to be a perfectly proper
step for the Members concerned to take.
I regret only that the Motion cannot be
moved in this form to-day. If the Mem-
this is telegraphed all over the world and
produces evil effects. No-one has a right
to say what is the opinion of the House
having
to
a
Members
are because of the
of Commons. We suffer now from not
which able divisions. very to contribute, small We minority have of Debates,
time. They express their anxiety and
grievances and make our affairs out as
bad as they possibly can, and these bulk
unduly in the reports which reach the
public or are heard abroad. These Members do not represent the opinion of the
House of Commons or of the nation, not
do their statements give a true picture of
the prodigious war effort of the British
people. Parliament should be an arena
in which grievances and complaints become vocal. The Press also should be a
prompt and vigilant alarm bell, ringing
when things are not going right. But it
is a very heavy burden added to the
others we have to bear if, without a vote
being cast, the idea should be spread at
home and abroad that it is the opinion
of the House of Commons that our affairs
are being conducted in an incompetent
and futile manner and that the whole
gigantic drive of British industry is just
one great muddle and flop.
People speak of workmen getting £6, £7
or £8 a week and not giving a fair return
to the State. It is also asserted, on the
other hand, that the workmen are eager
to work, but that the mismanagement
from the summit is such that they are
left for weeks or even months without the
raw 'material, or the particular comor the
for their task. may
ponent require special direction We which which be deals quite they
bers who have fathered it do not feel
satisfied with the reasons I have given
against creating a Minister or a Ministry
of Production, I hope that they will not
hesitate to go to a Division by moving a
nominal reduction of one of the Votes
we are discussing. That is the straight-
sure that in an organisation
with so many millions of people under all
the stresses of the present time and in
view of the present conditions, as well
as the inevitable oscillations of war-time
which I have mentioned, there are a great
many faults, but we must try sedulously
to eradicate those faults and to raise the
harmony and cohesion of our whole pro-
should be deterred in war-time from doing
ductive
forward and manly course. No-one
his duty merely by the fact that he will
effort. Here again, it is im-
portant to preserve a sense of proportion
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and not to be led away by thinking that
hard cases, wrong deeds and minor or
local discordances represent more than a
and of
very small fraction of our war performIt is no less important-indeed, in
a it is even more to
the nation as wère these
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was said, becomes
discussion
out there. the subject of lively
Australian troops are bearing with
great distinction much of the brunt of the
fighting in the Middle and
to Australians
thatvery
be
painful
East, ita be to
must told
we are
only making
ance. sum way up condemn if it the expressed important-not whole effort in
at home to put
in In America,
such a
meat and drink
discordances and failures. That is my
complaint about the recent Debate and
effort their here hands. proper three-quarter weapons
the use made of it by certain sections of
the Press and the results upon our own
self-confidence and still more upon opinion
friendly, hostile or balancing in foreign
Americans
are
tionist statement forces.
is to being
the asked
Isola-
countries?
Mr. A. Bevan (Ebbw Vale) Who said
to
pay
taxes,
toand
up
their
to alter
their
to motor
of all in to
reduce food, much their heavier daily lives, give
help and I cannot
when are on
and pleasures Britain, kinds, cars, indulgencies help order being
seems to British
that?
we are
a
to ourselves.
am
the
effect was
deeply that what disturbed be high they authority told
tile impression. When I read the Debate,
that was the effect it had upon me, and I
set myself to present a complete picture
but gone to of the
in come
myof
What is important is whether it is true;
but how difficult to decide because, after
all, this is a double expression of opinion
first, as to whether it is 75 per cent. or
not, and, secondly, 75 per cent. of what?
The Prime Minister: I am quoting no
particular of the person. Debate I to saying give that that hos-
to the Committee. I was distressed at
this aspect of the matter. I therefore
ventured to ask the House to resume the
Debate, and I should be glad to have the
matter a on
this
footing brought and to with plain these issue. preliminaries It is
on the
factories, subject, dealing namely, that with I the what second is to going the sphere remark of in
my hon. Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne), who said
75 per
our are to
I am aware that, in making that
that well cent. people of their possible only working efficiency. up
statement, my hon. Friend did not wish
to attack the Government or in
to national
he This senembarrass has been ill-used. the defence; particular any in fact, way
tence has been wrested from its context
as the
and from the whole character of his
on National
with know-
Select speech. ture, he Committee holds Nevertheless, Chairman Expendi- of
a
ledge. and is A credited very responsible exceptional position
statement like this, coming from
him, although uttered with the best of
motives, is serious, when it is broadcast
context. I of
Australia, for
its apart effect from in its have instance, to think where
party politics are pursued with same
as was exhibited
ourforerunners
robust indetachment
the by
this House in the seveneighteenth
ment teenth like and
this,out
centuries.
A statetaken
of its context,
or in a very summarised version of what
No. 91
its no him,
hearted Friend's
effort makinghas
help only
three-quarter
My from
hon.
allegation
been
wrested
context. it has I have all parts quarrel with country
and to all quarters of the world; but
nothing can be done about that
I have tried to find a datum line, and I
take as the datum line the three months
after Dunkirk. Then, it will be admitted,
our people worked to the utmost limit of
their moral, mental and physical strength
Men fell exhausted at their lathes, and
workmen and working women did not
take their clothes off for a week at a time.
Meals, rest, and relaxation all faded from
their minds, and they just carried on to
the utmost limit of their strength. Thus
there was a great spurt in June, July and
August of last year. Immense efforts
were made, and every semi-finished
weapon was forced through to completion,
very often at the expense of immediate
future production, producing an altogether abnormal inflation of production.
So let us take those three months as the
datum line; you could not have a harder
test.
Now is it true that we are only working 75 per cent of that? There are certainly one or two reasons why we cannot
wholly recapture and maintain indefinitely the intense personal efforts of a
year ago. First of all, if we are to win
this war-and I feel solidly convinced
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[The Prime Minister.]
1296
will be brought. I know of the great
that we shall- it will be largely by staying power. For that purpose you must
have reasonable minimum holidays for
the masses of the workers, there must,
as my hon. Friend himself urged in his
speech, be one day in seven of rest as
arrangements which have been made to
a general rule, and there must be, subject
Every made, and is
emergencies which know no law, a few
breaks and where possible one week's
more asheas his
he never
his Lord lot Haw-Haw. consolation will be than If hard gets from gets any me,
and
made, to effort supplement will be this deficiency, deserts, being
I
to coping with bottle-necks and with
send us food in nourishing, varied and
more interesting quantities. Therefore
there is no need to tell me I am helping
holiday in the year. Since what I will
call the Dunkirk three months datum
and
period, we have undoubtedly relaxed to
that extent. Sunday work is practically
eliminated, and brief periods of leisure
have been allowed to break the terrible
routine strain of continuous employment.
I am quite sure that if we had not done
so, we should have had a serious crack
which would have cost far more in production than these brief periods of rest
and more tensely nourishing than in 1941.
from labour.
Next, allowances must be made for the
very severe change in the diet of the
heavy manual worker. It is quite true
that no one has gone short of food; there
has been no hunger, there has not been
the confusion of the last war at some
periods, but no one can pretend that the
diet of the British people and especially
of their heavy workers has not become
far less stimulating and interesting than
it was a year ago. Except for our Fighting Services, we have been driven back
to a large extent from the carnivore to the
herbivore. That may be quite satisfactory to the dietetic scientists who would
like to make us all live on nuts, but undoubtedly it has produced, and is producing a very definite effect upon the
energetic output of the heavy worker.
[Interruption.] The Noble Lord knows
I could discuss a great many matters in
Secret Session, but he is one of the first
to get up and say he would like to have
these discussions in public, under conditions where nothing can be said by the
1942 more stimulating
rations share the in the Minister hope will of of the Agriculture be Minister that of Food our
That is the second reason. The first
is the need for some relaxation; then
there is this question of food, which has
come upon us gradually and which is
serious. I wish it to be known all over
the United States that it is serious,
because it encourages them in their
actions. The third reason is this: Look
at all the dilution we have had. It is
estimated that one-third more people are
working in the war industries than there
were a year ago. A great many of these
are trainees and newcomers. It would
not be wonderful if they failed to preserve
the same level of output per pair of
human hands as was achieved by the
skilled craftsmen of a year or 18 months
ago. Naturally they will improve. They
are improving, but dilution means a reduction in efficiency per pair of human
hands in the earlier stages.
Then, fourthly, there has been a great
dislocation by reason of the air raids, by
which the Germans hoped to smash up
our industries and break down our power
of resistance last autumn and winter.
Air-raid destruction, extraordinary
blitzes on our ports and manufacturing
centres, the restrictions of the black-out
the interruption and delays of transporta-
tion, all played their delaying and dislocating parts. The remedy and countermeasure which was proposed and carried
when
Government in answer to the kind of
through vigour by possible Supply Departments, with such extreme with
criticism with which he associated himself. We want more meat in the mines
and the foundries, and we want more
craft Production in the van as the in-
cheese. Why should that gratify Lord
Haw-Haw? Lord Haw-Haw should also
bear in mind the statement of Mr. Harry
Hopkins the other day, on the intention
of the Uinted States to see that we get
our food, and of their intention to keep
clear the sea-lanes by which our food
the
Lord Beaverbrook and the Ministry of Airspiring force, took the form of dispersion.
This was a matter of life and death, in
the aircraft industry as well as in other
key war industries. The great Bristol
firm, for instance, was dispersed into
nearly 45 such centres. I could give you
and the enemy too- score of instances
of the dispersion of firms to 20, 30 or 40
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such centres. All this has been an
obstacle to the smooth running of produc-
tion. It has placed us, however, in a
position in which we are immune from
from enemy air raids in
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1298
money for the critics. A handful of Members can fill a couple of days'
charges against our war
and disparaging
Debateor
section
effort, withof
every ardent
disaffected
the can take it up, and
a
our
we
of mortal munitions. aircraft damage production We may and suffer, other branches may
be retarded, we can no longer be
stinking can Press cry fish
cacophonous
the chorus whole of
all dismal
round
the
made,
destroyed. When a great firm like the
said answer to must show be nothing world. must But no be
Bristol firm is divided and dispersed, consider the trials of the workpeople and the
prodigy of national zeal, which excites the
astonishment of friend and foe, which will
command the admiration of history, and
which has kept us alive.
problems of the management. Workpeople by the thousand have to be moved
from their homes, plant has to be shifted,
ruined factories have to be reconditioned,
domestic affairs have somehow or other to
be adjusted, often with great sacrifice and
hardship, and it is a marvel what has been
done to overcome these grievous and
novel difficulties. That they hamper the
pace and intensity of production was
a have
inevitable.
I have now described to the Committee
fallen
usof solid since the factors Dunkirk which period,
number upon
all of which have tended to obstruct and
reduce output. I should like to give the
Committee some facts and figures to show
how far we have succeeded, by improved
organisation and by the smoother running
of our expanding machinery, in overcoming these adverse currents which I
have set out at length. But here I
encounter a new difficulty. I am told we
cannot have these Debates in Secret
Session; they must be in public. The
Germans must read in two or three days
every word we say, and therefore I cangive actual figures. In addition, I am told
by my hon. Friends to Let us have none
of those comparative percentages; let us
not be told that we are producing half as
much again or double what we produced
because we were pro-
last or like
this it. ducing time As nothing last year, year something
my hon. Friend said, it is a Lan-
cashire saying that Twice nowt is
nowt." So, according to these critiçs, I
am inhibited from all vindicatory com-
parisons. I must not say how much
better we are than at this time last year
when, after all, we had been at war for IO
and so were
something. I must not how
much or making
better
months,
weIIare
than
at the presumably say
last nor how our
compares month ofthe
the with
war,
peak
oftwenty-third
the last output
is
because hanged.
it contended
haveeasy
war,
Well,
Sir, thisconditions
is rather
the giant war effort, the
I defy these tyrannical I
intend to make comparisons, prohibitions. both with
the datum
peak of the last
the troubles I have enumer-
Despite similar Dunkirk and all periods period and with war. the
ated, the Ministry of Supply output in
greater three the
the last three months has been one-third
our
Army Force are larger, the
Dunkirk and than period. Air in the Though months of Navy,
Ministry has one-third more people work-
ing in its factories. Thus, despite dilution, dispersion, reduced food, the blackout, and all the troubles I have described,
each man is turning out, on the whole,
each day, as much as he did in that time
of almost superhuman effort. Let me
present the balance-sheet. One-third
more workers and one-third more output
is quits. But all the adverse factors I
have described have somehow or other
been cancelled out by superior development of our machinery and organisation.
We have made, in the last three months,
more than twice the field guns we made
in the Dunkirk period. The ammunition
we are turning out is half as much again.
The combined merchant and naval shipbuilding now in active progress is bigger,
not only in scale but in current daily
volume of execution, than it was at any
period in the last war, and, of course, the
work now is immeasurably more complex
than it was then.
In aircraft production it is foolish to
calculate the
these
have
though only by
largely
number increased, of machines, be-
cause machine 5,000
and
however, either by the test or
another, one 75,000 takes man-hours. of numbers man-hours, Judged,
man-hours eventuating in aircraft producincrease even above the spurt
of a ago is
tion, period increase thethis
sinceGovernment
year substantial. took office The
is enormous, and I should be proud to
tell the Committee what it is. I am not
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[The Prime Minister.]
going to do so, because the enemy do not
tell us their figures, much as we should
like to have them. The Committee must,
therefore, be content with my assurance
that progress and expansion on a great
of collecting workers from unessential
industries, we shall produce even more.
But years the
level
year of the
achievedventure
is, I to reach,
in the in fourth
two last only war
to submit,
an achievement
which deserves something better than
scale are continuous, and are remorselessly
flouts and jeers.
spurred on. This progress has been accomplished under the fire of the enemy,
under air assault, which Hitler was led
We are told how badly labour is behav.
ing, and then a lot of people who never
did a day's hard work in their lives are
to believe would shatter our industries and
reduce us to impotence and subjection.
It has been done in spite of the difficulties
of dispersion, and has been done not only
with no sacrifice in quality but with a
gain in quality, both actual and relative.
Now that the air battles are developing
again in scale and intensity we can claim
that
are at as
ahead the as we
our of fighters enemy when least defeated much
him a year ago.
As for the bombers, in the year that has
passed, in British production alone, taking
no account of the now rapidly expanding
United States imports, we have doubled
our power of bomb discharge on Germany
at 1,500 miles range, and in the next three
months, though this time taking account
of the American reinforcements, we shall
double it again. In the six months after
that we shall redouble it. Besides all this
we have ploughed the land, and, by the
grace of God, have been granted the
greatest harvest in living memory, perhaps
the greatest we have ever known in these
Islands. So much for comparison with
the high level of the Dunkirk period.
Now I turn to some comparisons with
the last war. That was a terrible war. It
lasted 52 months; there was frightful
slaughter; there was an immense British
effort; there was a complete final victory.
We are now in the twenty-third month.
We have lost large stocks of equipment on
the beaches of Dunkirk, our food has been
rationed, our meat reduced, we have been
bombed and blacked out, and yet, even in
this seventh quarter of the war, our total
output of war-like stores has been nearly
as as our of
seventh
ter war, and has equalled our
duction twice of the in great last the corresponding total output quar- pro-
production in the fourteenth and culminating quarter of the last war. We have rather
more workers in the metal industry than
we had then. When all those now workand
factories ing to complete become available, equip our and new the
Ministry of Labour has completed its task
out after them. Again I claim to look
back to war. we
had
and
two years nearly
12,000,000 working days were lost
many in the the bitter last final and devastating In that war strikes,
through labour disputes. So far, in the
whole 23 months of this war, we have lost
less than 2,000,000 days. I was anxious
to have the latest information about trade
disputes in the country. I received, a few
minutes before I rose to speak, a report
that at II o'clock to-day there was no
stoppage of work of any kind arising from
a trade dispute in any part of Great
Britain. It is the fashion nowadays to
abuse the Minister of Labour. He is a
workman, a trade union leader. He is
taunted with being an unskilled labourer
representing an unskilled union. I dare
say he gives offence in some quarters; h
has his own methods of speech and action
He has a frightful load to carry; he has
job to do which none would envy. He
makes mistakes, like I do, though not so
ata peron
vast
and steady volume the
many or so serious-he has not got the
same opportunities. At any rate he is
haps producing, rather this expensive moment, of faithful terms, though effort,
like of which has not been seen before
And if you tell me that the results he
produces do not compare with those of
totalitarian systems of government and
society, I reply by saying, We shall
know more about that when we get to the
end of the story."
I daresay that some of our critics will
not of it
in
complacency. like this kind Living talk. comparative They call idle-
ness, they wish to lash the toilers of body
and mind to further exertions. To state
facts which are true and encouraging is to
be accused of a cheap and facile optimism.
Our critics do not like it; neither do the
Germans, but for different reasons. But
I consider that if, for days on end, the
whole national effort is disparaged and
insulted, and if, all over the world, we are
depicted by our friends and countrymet
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as slack, rotten and incompetent, we are
entitled, nay, it becomes a pressing duty,
to restore the balance by presenting the
truth.
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some extent become available to them.
all these restrain rejoicing and forbid the
It would be
us suppose that Russia or
going to win this war for us. The
for States slightest to is relaxation. the madness United
A number of Votes have been put down
as a basis of this Debate. I do not think
I shall be out of Order if I place our dis-
in its to
of the war we for
aspects cussion relation before which the separate Members general
a
short Recess, during
will be able to regain contact with their
constituents and Ministers to give undivided attention to their work. When I
invasion season is at hand. All the
Armed Forces have been warned to be at
concertutmost
pitch by Ist to
retain We have the
September
tovigilance
reckon
with ameanwhile. and
have to a
desperation. criminal
We reckon
gambler's
bywho
a mere
gesture
haswith
de-
creed the death of 3,000,000 or 4,000,000
oftowar,
my all we
a very
look out upon the whole tumultuous scene
warning to the House country.
duty this conclude ever-widening by giving and to I the feel serious it
We must be on our guard equally against
pessimism and against optimism. There
are, no doubt, temptations to optimism.
It is the fact that the mighty Russian
State, so foully and treacherously assaulted, has struck back with magnifi-
cent strength and courage, and is
inflicting prodigious and well-deserved
slaughter for the first time upon the Nazi
armies. It is the fact that the United
States, the greatest single Power in the
world, is giving us aid on a gigantic scale
and advancing in rising wrath and conIt
viction to the very verge of the war.
is the fact that the German air superiority
has been broken, and that the air attacks
on this country have for the time being
almost ceased. It is the fact that the
Battle of the Atlantic, although far from
won, has, partly through American inter-
in our
that the Nile
vention, favour. It moved is the fact impressively Valley
is now far safer than it was 12 months
ago or three months ago. It is the fact
that the enemy has lost all pretence of
of Russian and German soldiers. We
stand here still the If
gether. fails and It is if only
champions.
all will we fall
fail, toby afall,superb,
intense
and prolonged effort of the whole British
Empire that the great combination of
about three-quarters of the human race
against Nazidom will come into vehement
and dynamic life. For more than a year
we have been all alone: all alone, we have
had to guard the treasure of mankind.
Although there have been profound and
encouraging changes in the situation, our
own vital and commanding responsibilities
remain undiminished; and we shall dis-
charge them only by continuing to pour
out in the common cause the utmost endeavours of our strength and virtue and,
if need be, to proffer the last drop of our
heart's blood.
Mr. Erskine Hill (Edinburgh, North):
We have just heard a speech which I
think will long remain with all of us. It
is not easy to follow a speech of that sort
by making new suggestions even though
meant constructively. The Prime Minister told us that he welcomed constructive
criticism, and I assure him that any criti-
theme or doctrine, and is sunk ever
cism that I make will be along those
lines. I am not one of those who think
deeper in moral and intellectual degradation and bankruptcy, and that almost all
his conquests have proved burdens and
that our war effort should be despised or
that all workers, employers, and indeed
all the citizens of this country, have not
sources of weakness.
played a great part. But it is important
that we should consider not only what
has been done, but how we can bring
about improvements. It may be that the
But all these towering facts,
we are entitled to must
us for a moment to that
massive
not which worst
lead The
is dwell
suppose on,
over.
formidable
the vast dethe structive of Nazi Germany, mass of power
munitions that they have made
the skill and
of their the
or audacity captured, striking courage, forces,
of their
prostrate condition of so
peoples under their yoke, the resources of so many lands which may to
great tion, ruthlessness the centralised war-direc- many
percentage of efficiency is not so high as
my hon. Friend who was referred to in the
Debate suggested, or that production has
descended so low. It may be that the
work we are doing is more satisfactory.
But I am sure that it would be the wish
of the Prime Minister that we should all
get together and consider whether we can
make a greater effort and whether we can
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only to the aspect which was closely dealt
with by the Prime Minister, but to the
actual machinery in the Ministry itself, to
see whether that can be improved.
It seems to me a mistake, which we
cannot rectify at this stage altogether,
that the system has been built up upon a
Civil Service which was good in peace-
time, which was the best that could be
got together, and which had traditions of
the highest possible order. I cannot feel
that we ought not to consider why we
may not be reaching that 100 per cent.
which we would desire to attain. Is the
machine at fault or is it the staffing of
that machine? I would say that it is
obviously both. Our Civil Service was
conceived and evolved for small-scope
peace-time operations when the production of the nation was the work of private
effort. You have to build up on that to a
much higher stage, it seems to me. For
those purposes, while the Civil Service
was admirable, I venture to think that
there is in war-time something to be desired. You cannot, I admit, alter that in
war-time. The change is too great, but
there is something you can do. When you
come to the other side of the case, the
personnel, it seems to me that the standards of the Civil Service should be put
on the basis of efficiency. You cannot do
that unless you insist that for the time
being, as the workers have been willing
to
union
as been to
make concede the employers their trade have regulations, willing
every concession they can, as the
middle-class shopkeepers have been called
upon to make concessions greater probably than those made in any other sphere,
the civil servant should play his part. I
suggest that the civil servant would be
only too anxious to do so, and would be
willing to depart from some of those rules
which seem to me to make for inefficiency.
It is essential, and this country will insist
upon it, that there should be no favoured
circles, where if a man fails he can be
kicked upstairs, or at any rate kicked only
along the passage.
The country demands that for the time
being promotion should be by merit and
not by seniority. It is difficult to say
these things, knowing the
Service,
and the
of the Civil high
important
traditions
part they have played, but I think some-
thing might be done in that direction
which would actually strengthen the
working of the Ministry of Production
and other Departments. These
promotion was
could the be cured if of defects altered
and question dismissal for ineffici.
ency during the war was taken into
account. What is the fault? There are
many servants, but
are
a not think
number excellent who Civil do for them. there
are the
who are too
to
are
the
who their
the selves. " No-men,' There only Yes-men willing and
The will be impeded unless
obstruct, national cannot effort make and there up own officials minds,
the ordinary rules are altered for the
period of the war.
I should like to say a word about the
most vital question facing a of
this
moment, in
wants Production at the The thing bearing Ministry country mind
more
You
a better than the
we have to
the great tanks dangers and guns. cannot face, have are
as
tanks short-dated and policy policy of getting Government's many
guns as we can produce
during the next few months. I think we
are in grave danger. The Russian situa-
tion may be better than many of us
feared, but it stands out as a menace to
us. If anything happens there suddenly,
and the tiger springs back, we shall be
in mortal danger again. For that reason
I agree with the policy of the Government
in putting in a peculiarly active Minister
to look after this Ministry. I agree with
the policy of three members on the Tank
Board. This number will be better than.
13 for getting things done quickly.
do not know anything about them personally, except that everything I have
heard leads me to think they will be
active. But there have been delays. I
know tank pro-
has some
one there
the
A
duction of has many been instances held up. where suggestion
should been be made by simplification, works that and
Tank Board has been asked to consider
it. The answer comes back, Do
nothing to these tanks for four or five
weeks. Do not proceed with the work
until we have made up our minds."
could give the Minister instances of this
if they were required. The result is that
until you get decision, work is held up.
There must be quick decision when decision is wanted.
There is another thing I would like to
say on this question of production. What
I
improve our system. One must look not
I
[Mr.Hill.]
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a great many people in industry
inordinate
is worries the be filled number up. of I forms know which the
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right hon. Gentleman referred would not
have gone round the world. The Prime
Minister concluded his speech
to the House
have Ministry to are trying to do their best, but I
timely placency warning this against to-day com- by a
whether they cannot have simplified
forms and reduce their numbers. With
staffs and other difficulties, the
that the fact that this important matter
would ask them to think again and see
with the
up
is one
short necessary, responsibility of filling which ought forms, to however be dis-
to a
on important matter. I feel
has been raised is of value, and I agree
with him that it is proper that our great
of is is
effort should be known and focussed as it
has been focussed to-day. The
start war which
Germany's production in absolutely production vital. subject It
successes rather than in-
pensed memorandum Ronald wherever issued Matthews, in possible. response President In
letter
by Sir
of the British Chambers of Commerce,
that point was raised, and a promise was
given that the Ministry would look into
it. I hope they will, because this seems
to be one of the ways by which you can
give less work to the staff. This war can
only be won by 100 per cent. effort on
the part of everybody, and I hope the
Government will be content with nothing
less, whether it be from heads of Departments or the workers in the Departments
themselves. We can only get that when
there is complete discontent with any-
and class
thing a
per
distinction. by but rising We high above have standard questions put away of efficiency of 90
cent. of this question: let us put it away
altogether. We must lay down a standard
applied to everyone that there must be
no inefficiency anywhere and that any
inefficiency will be dealt with ruthlessly
and effectively. The Prime Minister is a
great leader, and he deserves the weapons
with which he can lead us to victory.
The test which ought always to be ap-
plied is one of results. I think the
the the
appointment of a man of extreme energy
excellent.
hon, to this Friend Ministry is present President My of right
Board of Trade was excellent too when
he was at the Ministry of Supply. Let us
not
to
results.
Let
us to see more
not be be afraid afraid judge there by is no
toleration because a is nice fellow.
interest is the which
must to obtain. in that
The national be allowed man only a Only test
way
we shall
allowPrime
our Minister
to lead
us to the victory we all so much
desire.
Colonel Colville (Midlothian and
Peebles): We have
and
statement
stimulating
reassuring
listenedfrom
to a
Minister. If I
a of that
had the the Prime speech calibre may been made say so, at
conclusion of the Debate three weeks
ago, the cry of stinking fish to which the
on the of her
gave men. dividual her I merits part any fighting
disagree with the proposal made
by some hon. Members that there should
be a Minister of Production. My right
hon. Friend the Prime Minister dealt with
that proposal, and he gave as one of his
principal reasons-I thought he put it
very high-f for rejecting the proposal the
question of personality I do not think that
should be the principal reason. If, in
fact. the proposal itself were desirable
and if it were impossible to find a master
Minister to control Lord Beaverbrook, the
Prime Minister would have two courses
open to him, one to remove Lord Beaver-
brook from the Ministry, and the other
to make him the master Minister. But
the Prime Minister does not agree that
it is a desirable proposal, and I am in
agreement with him.
My reasons for opposing the proposal
for a separate Minister of Production are
these. In the first place, let us be clear
that it would not be a Minister for long;
there would be a Ministry. No Minister
ever works alone for more than 10
minutes; he soon gather round him an
advisory staff, and then follows the great
paraphernalia which is necessary to uphold a Ministry of rank and importance,
and, shortly, there is another Department
of not
in being. I speak with knowledge and
confidence when I say that the industries
at
Ministry this country the present do time. want If produc- another science
tion
were regarded as an expert
outside the responsibility of the Ministries
which have to secure supplies for their
services, the Army, the Navy and the Air
Force, I believe that the responsibility of
those Departments would be lessened,
and that the new Ministry would
tend to become a check or a filter
rather than a spur to their activities. That system would not work
in an industrial concern. To make one
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[Colonel Colville.]
director alone the expert on production,
for
forofnot
no responsibility for the other
having phases supply-would activity design, make for for labour, smooth
running. No, Sir, the Departments must
have that responsibility in full and must
exercise it. Therefore, the super imposition of a new Department-for that is, in
fact, what I believe it would becomewould not help us at this stage. There
must, of course, be the machinery for giving final decisions as to priorities which the
Prime Minister has outlined to the Committee.
I want now to make one or two
criticisms on the way in which certain
Departments at present discharge their
functions. The supply side of the War
Office, that is, the Ministry which supplies
the Army with its main requirements, has
in my view not developed such satisfactory
arrangements with industry as have the
Admiralty or the Ministry of Aircraft Production. As the Prime Minister said, that
is to some extent due to the fact that the
Army's growth has been more rapid and
recent through a period of rapid change
and quick expansion. The Admiralty
have had long and tried connections with
industry which are now working as satisfactorily as they did in the last war. But
the Ministry of Aircraft Production have
had to deal with the problem of rapid and
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the manufacturers are having some diffi
in the
am to the
of culty testing. with the I Ministry referring is testing matter
of metals, such as special steels. The
Admiralty have their own staff of inspectors, and as I have said, their long contact with industry has led to smooth running. The Ministry of Aircraft Production
and be
generally work on the principle that,
having decided on the firm which to
carry select
approve out the of work someone for them, in the they firm to is
their representative and carry out the
tests to their specifications, and this
system works satisfactorily. On the
other hand, the Ministry of Supply for
the War Department almost always in
sist on the tests being carried out by their
own staff, and from time to time there
are considerable delays in having the
materials tested. This is a point of detail
rather than of general principle, but it is
a most important point, which I hope will
be looked into. The Prime Minister re-
ferred to many firms which work only for
one Ministry or Service, but equally there
are great firms and combines which work
for all Services and have experience of
all methods, and it is on the basis of that
experience that my suggestions are
offered.
changing production, and to my mind
the was
effective,
the
they have been more successful than the
Ministry of Supply in adapting themselves
of priority is in dispute at the moment.
I will offer this observation, however; no
sweeping statements, because I know that
doubt it is essential that the highest
to the problem. I do not want to make
With regard to priorities, I agree that
present and I machinery interested ought to to hear be
Prime Minister say that no major question
the Ministry of Supply have had an
priority should go to the Ministry of Aircraft Production, as control of the air has
cult task, but I maintain that there are
proved the key to success not only in
land, but in sea operations, but I am
immense measure of success in their diffipoints on which they could learn and take
an example from what is done by other
Ministries.
For instance, to give some illustrations,
the difficulties experienced by manufac-
turers in the aircraft industry owing to
changes of design have been considerable,
but they have not been so great, I believe,
as those of the manufacturers working on
tanks for the War Office. The changes
in design, both in defensive armaments
and in weapons, have caused considerable, and I believe, preventible, delays in
the output of tanks. Obviously, I cannot go into details in this Debate, but I
hope that with the machinery which has
been set up, an improvement is already
taking place. Another direction in which
bound to say that I am disturbed at the
low degree of priority which appears
almost invariably to be given to Army
supplies as compared with those for the
other Services. Obviously, in a public
Debate I cannot give specific instances,
but I would like to discuss the matter with
the Minister concerned. From my experience during the last 12 months in
connection with the building up and
training of the Home Guard, I can say
that the degree to which that force has
been equipped through the Ministry of
Supply is no small achievement; it is,
indeed, a very great achievement The
Home Guard is now a force to be reck-
oned with in the matter of armament.
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the widest publicity. It shows the
Nevertheless, there have been points of
our
should magnitude of production effort great and
priority both in relation to imports and
home production in which it has been
spur us on. Just over a year ago
the present Government was formed to
found impossible to get any further, and
it would appear that the degree of priority
to State. There
give representation, on an adequate scale,
to a wide range re-
comes that
Ministers with
that all Government parties in the very joined great
experience of industry, from both the
quirements accorded Services. fairly well of behind Army
of the other two
managerial and labour sides, who gave
hope to the people of this country that
they would be able to secure the maximum effort in its broadest sense from industry. There is still much scope for their
capacity in the months to come.
If the Committee accept the view, as
I have not the slightest doubt they will,
that a new Ministry of Production would
not, in fact, accelerate production, I hope
that the Government will not go away
with the idea that everybody is fully content with the present state of affairs. We
Mr. John Wilmot (Kennington):
would not have ventured to take part in
this Debate but for the fact that the small
have been stimulated and reassured by the
Prime Minister's statement, but the Prime
Minister is the last person to wish us to
experience I have had in production
during the war has led me to believe there
are certain disharmonies in harnessing to
the work of national war production the
diverse elements of a system of private
fall into a state of complacency. I believe that with the existing machinery an
early improvement can be looked for.
and I believe that a greater national
industry. The Prime Minister said that
effort from all is still possible. The Prime
Minister referred to the immense spurt
that followed Dunkirk, a spurt which he
almost all firms to-day were under
Government control all those, at any
rate, which were engaged on any kind of
major war work. He stated that the field
wisely said one could not expect to be
maintained indefinitely, though we have
of this conrol was continually widening
and that as need arose more and more
were regimented. It seems to me that in
carrying out this colossal operation dis-
now reached a higher rate of production
through expansion; but when one looks
back to the time following Dunkirk,
everybody- I refer to all sides
harmony must inevitably arise, and it is to
that point that I wish to direct the atten-
of industry and not to one side only-was
making an immense personal effort.
wonder whether that degree of effort is
still with us. Evidence that perhaps it is
I
tion of the Committee. The board of
directors of a limited company engaged
wholly upon war-time production find
not comes to us in curious ways.
themselves in many instances in a
Recently, I had experience of an exercise
curiously dual position. No doubt after
victory has been won there will be differ-
a number
ofwas
not
with
one part of which was to test security,
ing opinions on various sides of the House
as to what is the best or the most ideal
form of industrial management and control, and we shall continue as we always
do to debate, modify and compromise in
our search for the best. This is not the
and people itnot
had for
found that
their identity
very large cards
them,
any
sinister
reason,
but from
pure carelessness. It may be asked what
that has to do with production. The point
is that one would not have found such a
thing in the months following Dunkirk,
time to debate these academic questions,
and I do not think the same state of alertness and effort exists to-day as was the
because We have now to attain in the
shortest possible time the maximum production from the present machine.
case at that time. I would point out, in
passing, that no-one got through without a
It to me that the position of the
card, and that all those without had to
report to police stations to prove their
identity, so that should give little con-
a columnist who might
I
could
think fidence
he to fifth easily slip through
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mention this, however, as an indication
that the whole country does not realise the
degree of alertness and of effort still required. The picture painted by the Prime
Minister is one which, I know, will have
of a company
difficult.
over-
management extremely seems limited They have the produce is
whelming loyalty to the State to
from their machinery, plant and the
workmen under their management the
maximum output regardless of all other
circumstances. But side by side with that
they have not been relieved of their legal
and moral obligations to the owners of
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[Mr. Wilmot.]
their capital. Anyone engaged in day-today industrial management will realise
in the factories. They have been urged,
and they have agreed, to give up and to
waive for the duration of the
how often and in how many diverse
aspects this duality is a hampering
circumstance, and various devices
have been invented in an attempt
to circumvent it. In some instances
old-established union conditions and and hardly-won war trade They their
Government controllers, with limited and
partial authority have been placed inside
the works. The contract system by which
firms compete by tender for contracts is
still in operation, and there is the Excess
way parts of our industrial machine there
is always the lingering feeling that they
are, in part, making this sacrifice for the
old management, which they remember as
Profits Tax to put a limit on excessive
war profits. Necessary and desirable as
it is to limit the profits arising from war
conditions, I think the operation of the
contract system and the absence of direct
profit motive is very often inequitable and
hampering. Over and over again one must
come across instances where managements
find themselves caught between these dual
loyalties. The loyalty to their shareholders requires them to look beyond the
war to the conditions in which they will
find themselves in competitive industry
after the war. The Committee will see at
once that there is a much more urgent
and compelling loyalty, but at the same
time the legal obligation of the directors
remains. It seems to me that it would
be advisable to consider when a firm is
engaged wholly upon war production
whether those in charge should not be re-
lieved from the embarrassment of that
war, any a
for the duration
dual position, at rate, and be placed in position of the
where they have one loyalty and one
loyalty only, and that is loyalty to the
State.
Circumstances are arising every day
attention to this A
me
other
which manufacturerwas
compel telling
aspect.
the
day certain reasons
into
where cently that there moved for is his factory he an has area re-
a plentiful supply of female
labour. He tells me he could quite conveniently employ large numbers of women
save wear and tear
automatic
and That and irreplaceable
upon
valuable
certainly behis
tomachinery.
his
iftionforward
towould
industrial
he afterthe
looks
advantage
competiwar,
when
he
unimpaired, but it
would his machinery would to-day have
exhaust the supply of
a way which would be
labour contrary
in available
directly
to the interests
of war production
as a whole. That seems to me to be
one instance of the effect of this duality.
Its effect is also to be seen on the workers
practices.
the
to achieve
but more out of the
have quately in done the and smaller this speedily in and order more victory, ade.
may of
persons of
profit. being the It be in that pursuit the operations private
the system taken that
that
remains objection, taxation in the but undoubtedly have away feeling
minds of the workers, and
it is certainly a hampering consideration
in securing maximum output.
I have seen in recent months a consider.
able wastage of time and machinery as
the result of an intermittent flow of orders
coming into various industrial establishments. A contract is proceeded with at full
blast, and an effective and efficient team
of machines and workers is assembled and
got in production. The contract is completed, and nothing takes its place. The
men are discharged and drafted off on
other work and into other localities, and
in a week or a fortnight a fresh contract
is placed. The utmost urgency is at-
tached to it, but the firm finds itself now
denuded of workers, its plant standing
idle, and no one can be obtained to oper-
ate it. The invaluable team which has
been built up for that particular job in
that particular way has been dissipated
and lost, and very valuable time is spent
building it all up again, in order to do a
precisely similar job on a new contract.
It would be an immense economy if some
system could be devised whereby there
was not this gap when the whole mechan-
ism was broken up and dispersed. It
seems to me that it is at this stage in the
detailed application of the broad principles
which the Prime Minister has shown have
been so successful-it is in attention to
those details that we can drive our production ahead to the maximum.
Mr. Marcus Samuel (Putney): I was
very pleased indeed when the Prime Minister informed us of the Government's de-
cision to have another day's Debate on
production. If the two days' Debate had
taken place last year, it would have resulted in a change of Government. The
present Ministry, if not a Ministry of all
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the talents, is certainly a Ministry of all
or
could not
when the change place. Many of
critics the critics most be took absorbed of them. immediately, All the
them were included to make the Government a Government of all parties, and
there were many purely political appointments. Some of the appointees seem to
have only been qualified successes, and I
think I can say without fear of very much
contradiction that some have not come up
to their political reputations and have
proved to be labourers not worthy of their
hire. If that two days' Debate has
proved one thing more than another, it
has shown that, whilst it may possibly
have done a minimum amount of good in
this country, it certainly has done harm
abroad. It has given- the enemy every
reason to rejoice. Outside this country
not our
of
free
maintained that we speak freely in
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themselves into a sort of unofficial Ministry for the Co-ordination of Offence
criers of stinking fish in the market place.
This bit I believe is unnecessary and a wee
wrongheaded. It does not produce
more guns, ships or tanks. These efforts
do not give anyone confidence.
I recently attended a meeting called by
two Members of the House to meet repre-
sentative shop stewards from a number
of munitions factories engaged in war
work, ostensibly to give instances of
delay and inefficiency in organisation
leading to the impeding of production.'
I was surprised to see how very young
many of these shop stewards are and how
little experience they can possibly have
had in this so-called skilled work which
they are doing, and still less of the intri-
cate working of a factory. But it was
quite evident that they were all now,
people do speech-and should understand I have always less methods
thank God, in dead earnest to put in their
war-time than in peace-time-not only we
in the House, but the newspapers and the
general public. The enemy is listening all
carefully and asked a number of questions, and I could see that many of these
men before the war and since had been
friends take us too literally, whilst the
enemy notes and gloats and takes our
been misled and misinformed, and, as
I thought, they had not yet quite got a
the time, and our friends, too. Our
troubles too optimistically.
I have always found Ministers as
as us to
not in
Although anxious I any do of believe put things suppressing right.
free speech and criticism, I think we can
and do exaggerate and magnify our
ourselves. In
we can we have stocks
timeeverything.
troubles almost and We
scarify have
truly say peaceof
onlyto
are
to
for
item,
a or a the
ask for goods and pay for them to get
them. In war-time we have stocks of
increased nothing. demands We always every short, single owing
of or even to a
heaviest from bolt piece machinery, screw or a nut to
pint of beer. Some of the critics of the
Government-th left-overs "-cannot
forget their
course, Ministers are where
we all
the Order
and, are of because peace-time political belong habits, they to
days, when our lives the
in Ministers these Ancient welcome constructive of Stone-Throwers. criticism
the State are balance.
one to be and
There future is of only thing in the done, and
us all to work to stick
and to stick to my
together that for together, work. In
view certain Members, with the best intentions, have joined forces and formed
best efforts to win the war. I listened
affected by outside influences. They have
fair and complete perspective of the scene,
They seemed disposed to lay about them
mercilessly, claiming the delinquencies
and inefficiency of the managements in
organising production, and unable quite
to rid their minds of peace-time prejudices
and predelections. The same attitude
applies in some cases to the managements as regards labour.
Letters to the Press and speakers in this
House show the enormous and endless
difficulties with which the managements
have to contend. Every item they produce, besides being in short supply, is, so
to speak, wrapped up in a whole series of
papers. A study should be made of how
to cut out some of the clogging, time-
wasting demands of the octopus and hide-
bound bureaucracy which is living on the
fat of the land, or as much as they can
get, and producing nothing. I pointed
out to the shop stewards that we must not
forget that there have been millions of
tons of shipping lost; towns have been
blitzed and factories damaged and
destroyed, that railways have been
damaged and transport delayed; and that,
in spite of all the damage done, those
without much experience and with a
limited viewpoint, however anxious to help
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1316
and woman working. If they were satis.
[Mr. Samuel.]
their country, must clear their minds of
vision and predeliction and
that and is
peace-time
musthave
not criticise
Many into the of these idea
must
beenunfairly.
schooled
andour
that
as a consequence
wrong men
economic
political systemsorts
all
of troubles and faults arise. During the
speeches it became clear that many of the
old-established businesses of which they
spoke, with their practical knowledge and
traditions, have an enormous advantage
over the newer factories put up for war
purposes. There is no doubt that this
affects production and cannot be overcome
at the start or acquired in a day.
I asked the shop stewards to remember
that, even if everything had been perfectly planned, these war incidents must
undoubtedly at times create difficulties,
even bottle-necks, changes of direction,
loss of materials, shortages here and sometimes over-supplies there; and on top of all
this we have the ever-increasing demands
on every industry in the country connected
with war work. We are all the time workThe
ing against time and destruction.
Germans had seven years' preparation and
had accumulated reserves which they are
now dissipating much faster than they can
replace them, and the same troubles must
be coming to them while we are now over-
coming ours. We cannot expect 100 per
cent. production at any time much less
under war conditions. It seems
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to
me
that to make calculations of exact theoretical percentages under these conditions is
to use false values, seeing that there is no
such thing as 100 per cent. perfection and
that a certain incalculable amount of
shortage must be due to causes over which
neither the workers nor the managements
have any control.
I believe it would pay the Prime
fied that difficulties and delays were
is to
sometimes inevitable and were not due to
bad management, they would work to-
gether to minimise the troubles and to
overcome as as
mutual wanted, confidence them above far between all, is possible. workers nationalise What and
management which is so obvious in some
firms and wholly lacking in others. It
is evident that the old-established firms
with their traditions and experience have
great advantage over the newer firms put
up for war purposes, but I believe that
confidence can be forthcoming throughout
industry and that it can give us the increased production we want. The less
recrimination and destructive criticism
the better. There should be no victimisation of managements, shop stewards or
other workers. The attention of the
Ministers concerned should be called to
specific cases. All parties concerned
should be given the opportunity to know
what the country expects of them, and
they should be given the opportunity of
putting into practice the only remedy for
our troubles work together, to stick
together and to stick to work. Lord
Beaverbrook has been mentioned. For
what I have heard and read of that
gentleman he gets things done ruthlessly
and regardless of. consequences. The
Prime Minister knows him and trusts him.
No doubt he says to himself, I want
aeroplanes now. I want tanks now. I
will get them by hook or by crook or by
Beaverbrook, and Beaverbrook gets
them.' I have a feeling that we can
thank Providence there are not Beaverbrook quads or worse still, quintuplets
-each ruthlessly getting on with his job
at all costs. One Beaverbrook may be
able to stand, but four or five of them
would produce chaos. The Admiralty
to speak to the shop stewards and workers
seems to get what it wants by less violent
and disturbing methods.
over the air in order to encourage them
I want to make what I believe is a
Minister, who is our plus V. broadcaster
and to say how much he appreciates what
they are doing and are prepared to do:
and at the same time to talk to the
managements and ask them to cast aside
all peace-time prejudices and to keep in
close touch with their work people so
that men and women could be encouraged
to understand their position and to put in
their best work. It is important that in
every factory in the land not only the
managements but the workers should
know how much depends on every man
House into
It is the
practical goes suggestion. Recess, Members that when should each
take a busmen's holiday and that
one of us who receives complaints should
himself go and see the manufacturers and
workers and talk to them, explain our
position and try to straighten things out.
See what might be accomplished if 400
or 500 of us lent a helping hand in this
way instead of limiting ourselves merely
to being letter boxes to receive complaints
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29 JULY 1941
or loud speakers to voice them. Nothing
short of sticking together, working together and sticking to work will see us
through. I see that the hon. Member for
of him
asa sort
of
seems
Seaham (Mr. Shinwell) is present. I have
spoken Moans. To-day the he unofficial to No Minister be doubt he
of
Lord High Execrationer.
acts with the best intention and as a
supporter of the Government, but
I that nothing help
the
strong
hope enemy and that I the have hon. said Member's will
execrations will be directed direct to Ministers in their capacity as Ministers because
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the war wishes to disparage his efforts or
to suggest that he is, in any way, lacking
in those gifts so to
I
1317
think country he in would these necessary difficult times. guide But the
be the first to agree that
no one has a monopoly of wisdom. Each
of us in this Committee has a responsibility
to make his contribution. Mere carping
criticism, mere fault-finding, is easy when
we see and
to make it should
a constructive character. I endorse
what the right hon. Gentleman said about
the great efforts made, particularly after
have be of criticism flaws here there, but always if we
Dunkirk, I should like next to pay a
the enemy gloats when these sort. of
speeches and questions are delivered in the
House. The last thing any of us would
wish to do is to give information to the
enemy.
a
women
last
war.
as can it is
special tribute to the women. We hear
to
in of
theare
war.doing
I am referlot what of As what far the I see, did in the nothing
country they in this many not parts
Sir Percy Harris (Bethnal Green, South-
West): I think anybody who heard the
speech of the Prime Minister on our war
production will agree that this extra day's
Debate-an exceptional thing-has been
ring to their work as bus-conductors or
porters work in the
factories. but to I their
have
munition
seen
women
doing
foundry work of a heavy character-
well worth while. Criticism of our pro-
refined women who had never done rough
comes, must not be interpreted as an
attack upon either the Government in
materials and doing jobs of a most dangerous character.
ductive effort, from whatever side it
general or the Prime Minister in particu-
work in their lives handling heavy
Although I agree with the Prime
lar. I am convinced that the one man
who is indispensable to victory is the
Minister about the inadvisibility of quoting
percentages, I am convinced that we are
Prime Minister, not only because of his
still a long way below our peak in pro-
immense influence in our own country and
duction. I think that is a good thing, and
should be an encouragement, because we
the confidence which the mass of the
on
account people have of his in his great personality, influence but in the
United States of America and throughout
our Dominions. There is no alternative
Prime Minister. He has rival. It
very
in the
last
a
Member different
of nofor
war.
was two
was
Parliament
at Ileast
years in the last war.
then
rivals Prime Ministers Both had our half-a-dozen war-time
the post. When Mr.
the
of
that
on, even when the hon.
was
I remember the
ing Prime and for Minister Asquith lobbywent Member for Carnarvon
and canvassing names right
was Prime
in the mind
were Lloyd always George) public Boroughs Minister the names there (Mr.
or four men who
the need arose.
of of his three place if could There have filled was,
course, Mr. Asquith himself, there was
another ex-Prime Minister then sitting in
the House, Mr. Balfour, there was Mr.
Bonar Law and, of course, the present
holder of the office.
The present Prime Minister reigns
supreme, and no one who wants to win
want our enemies to realise, and our
friends to appreciate, that we can do still
more if we strengthen our organisation, in
the light of the great experience gained
during the last two years. We started late
in the race, and it is difficult to make up
leeway except by a terrific spurt. There
was a terrific spurt a year ago, as the
Prime Minister has pointed out, but we
want more of those spurts if we are to
reach the peak of our production. After
all, the Ministry of Supply was started
only one month before the war-two years
too late. I remember a speech by my
right hon. Friend the Member for Carnarvon Boroughs, I think in 1937, pressing for the production of jigs and tools.
If his advice had been followed, some of
the difficulties and problems which
Ministers of Supply have had to face
would have been largely prevented.
There is another factor which we
ought not to ignore. When war broke
out we had hardly recovered from IO
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[Sir P. Harris.]
years of industrial depression. You cannot have the luxury of 2,000,000 idle
men and expect to resume all at once
efficient industrial production. The engineering and shipbuilding trades were
special sufferers in that depression. Many
of the more enterprising spirits in those
trades left them for other occupations.
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1320
referred, but perhaps my sub-committee
one more cautious
is reluctant of to the rush ones. It
into print and publish
reports, but it has been about the
country studying on the spot the
of and shipyards.
even
more
it has
been
the factories
important,
Perhaps
inter- work
managers men.
we have not
My right hon. Friend the Minister of
efforts viewing Committee to the orthodox and confined Upon our the
Labour has made gallant efforts to seduce
them back. But it is one thing for a man
to us us
to leave an industry and quite another
thing to get him back into his old job;
and we must also recollect that many of
those who remained in the shipbuilding
and engineering trades lost a lot of their
mechanical and industrial skill owing to
long periods of idleness. The same consideration applies to managers, foremen
and charge-hands. Such workers cannot
be made in a minute. Anyone who knows
anything about industry knows that they
have to be discovered, and trained. Even
under the pressure of war you cannot
always put your hands on the right men
to fill gaps in the ranks of managers,
foremen and charge-hands.
the 1922 big
same contractors.
It slumps is the of with and 1929 many During
industrial undertakings changed hands,
and in place of trained directors with an
inner knowledge of the industry-often
an hereditary knowledge-there came in
as directors financiers whose concern
primarily was to look after the financial
interests of the shareholders. That is a
cannot what
I fromwemen
in is
into for
channels. We
outside
one we received
encouraged and give people from information, to On e have come the
of
evidence hand and, of lack have planning and serious bad
progress, on the other, of bad time.
keeping. Every sub-committee has had
similar evidence and you cannot divorce
the two problems. In failure to dove
tail a job responsibility starts at the very
top, and goes right down to the men.
We have had evidence of men hanging
about
of bad
because
of industries had not been well thought out. This
because the planning organisation their and
is brought about largely through weak-
nesses
to men on or the bonus
and to at the piecework very top. It applies equally system
men on hourly jobs. The men
are discontented and they find it difficult
to understand why there should be slack
time. I do not want the impression to
get around that this is universal. It
varies from place to place. One of the
very serious causes is that there is an impression in factories, workshops and ship-
yards that the work is being done upon
a cost-plus basis. Men are saying,
factor have which heard ignore, some but areas
does not make much difference to the boss
or the company because the Government
financial have been brought directors industry that
wrong principle, but human nature being
rather sinister. The new
have to pay That is a thoroughly
reasons, are rarely seen by the
their visits
employees far between. because are few
what it is, it is very natural. It does not
and Generally, their visits
apply to all shipyards and factories alike.
but varies from area to area and from unit
thefinancial
interests
the look after
monthly and of
only shareholders
to unit. If management is bad in peace
time and a shipyard or factory is badly
are then to
or the banks.
We have to realise all these things
we are about
our
of them still
some finest yards, factories,
production, have when of but talking the in spite increasing we
workshops and mechanics in the world.
Of course, generalisation is dangerous,
and conditions vary from
workshop
to
tory and from factory
workshop.
to facfault it is difficult
and
portion Where I there blame is between management to apmen.
am a member of a Select Com-
mittee to which the Prime Minister
run, soon to account
by
as
not
and
to
tion when
competition, it is very it brought does get orders
therefore is quite different goes the in wall. war-time, The posi- but
not only
is there no competition,
every factory is badly wanted and there
is a shortage of plant and buildings.
The Government have a responsibility
to level up the laggards and the lame
ducks and to bring weak organisations up
to the best standards. Managements
should be pooled and weak ones weeded
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29 JULY 1941
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1321
of tanks, and now there is a great tank
Much can be done by the exploita-
stunt with a suspicion that it may
out. tion of local sentiment. Take shipyards,
for instance. There are certain obvious
areas such as Clydeside, Merseyside,
Tyneside and the Bristol Channel. There
no reason why the Government,
theasmen
is done in of
their vast powers,
seems using most competent should together not in bring those
for instance
be at the expense of shipbuilding. I suppose it is inevitable, human nature being
what it is, that forceful personalities at
the head of Departments shall naturally
wish to assert the rights of their particular
section in order to produce the goods they
to The Minister a and
a
have made undertaken challenge, find. very Prime proper
and the whole area
challenge. He said to the Committee,
areas, industry, put production the in the concentration cotton trade, under
You talk a lot about a Minister of Pro-
one control. This would present a great
opportunity for the exploitation of local
duction-produce your man." I agree
that that is a very right and proper challenge, and if we had half a dozen men
sentiment. There is very strong local feel-
ing that the best ships are built on the
There is
that the best are on the
of the calibre of the Prime Minister I think
we should be able to answer it easily. But,
Clyde. ing and equally the ships strong built local be feel-
just as the Prime Minister, as Defence
about Tyneside and other places. The
Minister, co-ordinates the strategy of the
three Services, I think the Committee will
Merseyside; same can said
one
and
organising the ability at
local sentiment could be exploited and the
various
up to yards standard and machine which by shops utilising would brought be
the Government's disposal. I believe
would result in increased production and
it
inthe
agree that it would be a great thing to
have someone in a similar position to co-
ordinate production for the three Services. We need some guiding hand to
co-ordinate our effort and eliminate the
feeling that very often our production is
lopsided and is not thought out in the
organisation of labour. would be a
interests of the war as a whole.
mistake if the Committee got the idea that
private companies only are at fault. There
ave been great complaints of Government
factories and the Prime Minister admitted
I am very glad to see the Minister of
Labour here. He has a difficult, and I
would like to add, a thankless task. No
for
him of a lack of energy, enthusiasm or
drive, but I do think there is a case for a
dustry improved and planning that it and would progressing It improve in
the want
making reports the of necessary of provision foresight in
housing, transport and food. It might
be well to bring the private and the
Government factories into more intimate
association by making use of the best
available ability and capacity.
I was interested to hear the Prime Min-
ister refer to that vexed word priority,
but he brushed aside, as a bit of a farce
the suggestion that there was competition
between the Departments. Nevertheless,
we have heard some very strange stories
about representatives of one Department
going down to a dockyard and pinch-
ing the supplies, machine-tools or
for
no doubt. I am
one envies him his job and no one accuses
properly thought-out wage policy. That in-
testing White Paper published only the
other day shows that his purpose is good
and his objects sound, but when it comes
to translate them into practice I am afraid
he cannot claim at any rate this time an
equal success. Obviously, if there is not
enough material to go round and if wages
go up, and if one section of industry has
a lot of money to spend, it must run up
prices, and I realise it wants courage to
grasp the nettle. During the last war great
courage was shown. I do not want to
under-estimate the difficulties. One of
the greatest tributes that could be paid to
the present Minister of Labour was a
industrial at a
to those difficulties are
statement made to-day that there was no
got over and that the Departments are
a happy family working together without unhealthy competition. Still, rightly
tribute
to and
him,if all. he That has done is
great great
dispute
through materials hear over-zeal, that needed another Department, being glad
or wrongly, there is an absence of a long-
term policy, and a feeling that we are
thinking too much in terms of the needs
and necessities of the moment. There
was a great push for planes at the expense
nothing else he will have justified his
occupation of his present position.
If we are to prevent inflation, if we are
to keep prices at a steady level, the Minister will have to take a more active part
and not leave it to sectional bargaining.
D
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OF COMMONS
[Sir P. Harris.]
He will have to recognise that a common
standard is required in war-time if the
burden of war is to be evenly spread.
If one section, owing to special conditions
and a special demand for their skill or
owing to a shortage in their particular
trade, gets a high standard of wages, it
reacts right through the industry and
causes discontent, and we well know that
in certain sections very high wages are
being paid, due maybe to the demands
on those sections of employment. All I
am pleading is that the great power and
influence which the Minister has has an
intimate relation to the problem of inflation and the need to prevent the setting
in motion of that spiral which we saw in
the last war. In spite of the efforts of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to keep
down prices we still see an inevitable up-
ward tendency. I believe the Minister
would have the approval of labour and
of trade unions, as well as of the whole
House, if in the discharge of his duties
he gave a real lead and put forward a
clearer and more incisive labour and
wages policy.
Dr. Edith Summerskill (Fulham,
West): Would not the hon. Gentleman
agree that workers are being paid at a
standard rate, and that they only get what
he calls large wages because some of them
work twelve hours a day for seven days a
week? Does he therefore suggest cutting
down the wage rates or the hours of
labour?
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1324
the people and, above all, maintain the
health
womenand
and physical
children. condition of the
Mr. Silkin (Peckham): I am sure that
the Committee must have listened to the
Prime Minister's speech with very con.
siderable satisfaction. It was indeed
gratifying
the of
we are in
successful to efforts hear that of the tremendous making very and
tions.
was not entirely
Minister's direction But speech, I felt, of the right that production he through the Prime muni-
directing himself to the criticisms which
had been levelled-and I think, quite
properly, because it is a function of Par
liament to make such criticisms. I think
he did not direct himself to the criticism
that, although great efforts had been made
and increasing efforts were being made, the
maximum effort was not yet being put forward, and that in fact it was possible for
this country to make even greater efforts
than it was making at the present time
The speeches of hon. Members in the
Debate three weeks ago were, in the main
directed to that point, and when my hon.
Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Siz
J. Wardlaw-Milne) stated that the country
was making not more than 75 per cent.
of the efforts which it was possible
make, he was not in any way belittling the
great efforts which were being made and
will continue to be made.
I want to point to specific cases in
which, I think, improvement could be
made, and which are having the effect of
reducing our effort below the maximum
of which we are capable. The Prime
Sir P. Harris: I certainly do not suggest
cutting down the rates of wages. I wish
labour and the whole nation to have good
real wages which depend on inflation
being prevented. That is the fundamental
thing, in the interests of labour, of women
and of the whole community. It means
that we should prevent the tendency of
prices to move upwards, which, in spite
of all our efforts in the way of subsidies
and rationing, they are doing. I there-
Minister said that there was now no conflict between Departments, and that they
were working smoothly and in the closest
co-operation. He referred to the fact
that there was complete agreement about
their programmes. I do not think it has
ever been suggested that there was any
great dispute between Departments about
their programmes. I do suggest that
there is considerable difference of
opinion, or competition, in the carrying
fore say that I believe it to be in the best
interests of labour that a clearer and more
incisive wagerpolicy should be laid down
by the Minister to protect the interests of
out of these programmes, and particularly
the mass of the and
people,
to prevent
to see
the
perfectly
Committee. well known That is, every that the Member Ministry of
are
are
country. At a time like this it is
the sectional increases increases, they general that throughout if there
vital to keep prices steady and stop inflation if we are to keep up the morale of
in connection with dealing with labour.
I want to suggest something which is
to
is, on to
of
Aircraft holding Production unnecessarily has been. other and skilled still Delabour
which is necessary for
partments. My right hon. Friend the
Minister of Labour knows that there has
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29 JULY 1941
been a survey of labour in the Ministry
of Aircraft Production factories, and that
indeed thousands, of skilled
have been are super-
to the
workers fluous
hundreds, requirements found who of those
factories. It may be that there have been
reasons for holding on to these skilled
workers. Perhaps they were being
retained because it was thought that they
be needed, if orders and work came
but I do
of
has
labour for making use of these
might along, Labour suggest ample that machinery the Ministry skilled and
workers during the time they are not
used in their own factories.
Hefactories
hasaretomore
to
being other fully power transfer where they those workers
needed. It can be done temporarily,
until such time as the aircraft factories
are ready to use these skilled men again.
If that sort of thing goes on, if thousands
of skilled workers are not being used to
the fullest extent in the factories in which
they are employed, it cannot be said that
we are putting forward our maximum
effort, and to the extent that that is true,
our effort is being weakened.
Another direction in which labour is
being misused is by the Ministry of
Supply. The hon. Gentleman who spoke
for the Ministry of Supply in the last
Debate referred to the fact that there had
been an agreement by which workers had
been given priority, for certain Royal
Ordnance factories, for a period of some
months, and that that period was extended. Owing to the fact that this period
was limited, the Ministry of Supply made
requirements for labour far in excess of
what they really needed. In a number
of factories there were far more workers
than could be used, with the result that,
in some cases, women were found to be
knitting and men playing cards day after
day. It is no use my right hon. Friend
the Minister of Labour shaking his head.
The Minister of Labour (Mr. Ernest
Bevin): There have been so many of these
statements made. I would appeal to my
hon. Friend to send me the names and
addresses of these places in fairness to the
the
the
management bers send them and to me men. as Chairman If hon. of Mem-
Production Executive, I will have every
case investigated.
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Mr. Silkin: I will let
I can assure him
statements Friend
know. my right that these hon.
are absolutely
It is no use him
his been head. verified. They
and admitted
shaking have
havetrue,
been
by
representatives of his own Department.
Mr. Bevin: If an hon. Member has
a factory, has not
done
duty,
and
sent
found his that public
in why
particulars he
to the Minister in order that the Minister
may investigate?
my these
do
in
Mr. Silkin: I consider that I am
public and duty I shall in stating facts doing here,
proper use of the facts the
to-day, national
making
theright
my public
in
interest.
The
hon.duty
Gentleman is perfectly aware that I am not able
to state in public where the factories are.
It is perfectly true, and there is no dispute
about it, that there are factories where
more labour has been asked for than the
factories could absorb, week after week,
until the Minister of Labour ascertained
the facts and reduced the supply of labour
by half. In the meantime, there were
hundreds of workers in a number of factories for whom no work was available.
They could not be absorbed, partly because the equipment was not available,
and secondly, because the Ministry of
Supply had forgotten the fact that, when
large numbers of workers are employed,
supervisory staffs are needed, and they
had not applied for the supervisory staffs
I hope that is not going to be denied, because it is a fact.
The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to
the
millan): Ministry Is the of hon. Supply Member (Mr. Harold speaking Mac.
of
Royal Ordnance factories or of contracting
factories?
Mr. Silkin: I am speaking of Royal
Ordnance factories. Those are facts
which, incidentally, I have ascertained
from representatives of the hon. Member's own Department.
Mr. Logan (Liverpool, Scotland
Division) Has the hon. Member made
any complaint to the Department?
Mr. Silkin: I am making my own
speech.
Mr. Logan: I know the hon. Member is
making his own speech, but I have a
Mr. Ness Edwards (Caerphilly): That
will be something new.
No. 91
right to intervene and to ask what speech
he is making. What does he mean by it?
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Mr. Silkin: I have ascertained the facts
only in the last few days.
Mr. Harold Macmillan: Has the hon.
Member communicated this information
about staffing to my right hon. Friend or
to me?
Mr. Silkin: The hon. Gentleman knows
I have not communicated with him.
require, perhaps, 2,000 workers, no other
factory making things in a lower priority
can get any labour at all until those
I as an
It
workers quote have this been provided. example-that may 2,000 there be
are half a dozen factories whose production is very greatly impeded because
or men.
or men could
need increase those two two their three three they If they could greatly they get
Hon. Members: Why not?
Mr. Ness Edwards: Is it any use?
Mr. Silkin: I have ascertained the facts
by evidence from the hon. Gentleman's
own Department. These facts are known
to his own Department.
Mr. Bevin: May I ask whether this investigation was made by the hon. Member as a member of the Select Committee.
If so, is not evidence given by our
officials confidential until revealed to the
Ministry and to the House of Commons?
Mr. Silkin: I am not disclosing details
of the evidence. I am disclosing facts
which are known. I consider that I am
perfectly entitled to state the facts on this
occasion.
Mr. Bevin: The hon. Member is in a
privileged position.
Mr. Silkin: I turn from that point but
I do submit that, if these facts are true,
as I say, it does disclose a very unsatisfactory state of affairs, and shows that we
output, but, under instruc-
tions given to divisional controllers, or,
at any rate, because of the way in which
those instructions are interpreted by
divisional controllers, any priority that
is given must be fully satisfied before fac.
tories of lower priority are provided with
labour. That may not be the desire of
the right hon. Gentleman, but I suggest
that he should investigate the position
to satisfy himself that the prorities are
being operated in the way he desires. I
think a little inquiry will satisfy him that
they are not.
It has been suggested that idle time in
factories is a relatively small matter, but
I am informed-an this is not based on
evidence which has been given to the
Select Committee-that in some of the
Royal Ordnance factories men are idle
for two or three weeks at a time, waiting
for material, or for some other cause.
recognise that the difficulty over material
is a serious one, but we are to-day
acclimatised to the difficulty. I suggest it
is time that we prepared for those difficulties which we know are likely to arise.
are not putting forward our maximum
One cannot help the non-arrival of
The Deputy-Chairman (Colonel Clifton
to be taken into consideration. I suggest
also that there is considerable delay in
transporting material from one place to
effort.
Brown): Is the hon. Member talking
about evidence given before the Select
Committee on National Expenditure?
Mr. Silkin: It has been given.
The Deputy-Chairman: That is quite
out of order. The report has not been
published, and the evidence may not be
discussed until that report is laid before
the House.
Mr. Silkin: I am very sorry, Sir. The
report is in draft. The next fact with
which I wish to deal is the statement of
the Prime Minister that the Priority
Executive is now dissolved. There is no
question that when a priority is given for
a commodity, anything else is frozen out.
I suggest that when a priority is given for
a commodity and a factory say that they
material which has to come from
America, but it is a factor that ought
another, and that some of the delay is
avoidable. Cases have been brought to
my notice in which it has been necessary
to transport materials very quickly, and
it has been decided to use road instead
of rail transport, for the sake of speed;
but, having come to that decision, the
Departments concerned have decided to
invite tenders for transporting the
material, which has caused some delay.
Delay also arises in transport because of
contradictory instructions given by different officials. The contractor may be ordered
to send material by road and also to send
it by rail. He is put in a difficulty, and
does not send the material at all until he
has ascertained which way he is to send
it. I ask the right hon. Gentleman to look
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because I am sure that there is no Member of the House who has any other desire
into this question of transport. It would
be
1941
as
than to help in this vitally important
sation very could valuable be informed if his transport long organi- in ad-
question of production.
vance as possible when it is necessary to
transport goods.
Sir John Wardlaw-Milne (Kidder-
I think production could be speeded up
and increased, if considerably more attention were paid to the placing of contracts.
minster): We haveaheard
most to-day from the
speech
I am informed that in certain areas far
our scheme of
war as the
comprehensive whole Prime of Minister dealing interesting with and the
more contracts have been placed than the
contractors are able to carry out in a
it munitions and from of production Government of the see
reasonable time. I understand that these
contracts are placed by the headquarters
of the Ministry of Supply sometimes without consultation with the regional repre-
the war. I have no quarrel at all with
that speech. I have no doubt it will be
the point of view of what the
Prime Minister considers is the extent of
the effort of the country harnessed to win
sentatives, and that if there had been
such consultation, the Ministry would
of great benefit if, indeed, any false impression has gone about in other countries
as to the determination of everyone in this
have been informed that it was very difficult for the firms concerned to carry out
the contracts. There is an area organisation which, I understand, was set up for
the express purpose of advising the Min-
country to secure the defeat of Hitler.
But my right hon. Friend will, I
me say that to some it
forgive that
seemed
if not
I amdeal
of sure,
us
he did
with the
the Debate
istry of Supply on the capacity of an
ago. one of his
area, but this organisation is not being
used to the extent it could be. I have
weeks questions said raised In in sentences some indeed three
he that the criticisms made then were
referred to the placing of contracts with
firms which are quite incapable of carry-
matters of detail. Well, they may be
ing out the work because they have
matters of detail, but they are very essential matters, attention to which make for
already too much in hand; there are also
cases of contracts having been placed with
total production, and while I do not in
the least quarrel with the Prime Minister's
statement regarding the tremendous effort
which is now being made, I am bound to
say that some of us feel that the criticisms
made have not yet received an answer.
The Prime Minister also stated in one
of the early passages of his speech that
almost all factories were under the direct
firms which, by reason of their lack of
organisation, their lack of machinery and
their lack of experience, are unable to
carry out the contracts.
of
I know of a firm which has a very small
workshop, housing a few machine tools,
run a mechanic and a
was
a contract
of
This by firm
semi-skilled
given £100,000
boy.
to manufacture gun mountings, work
are of out
which they had never done before, which
or with
available. I suggest that if
there had been consultation with the
with they they their have quite machinery incapable carrying the labour
regional representatives the contract would
I
not have been placed with that firm.
have mentioned some of the methods
which I think would make for increased
production. I suggest that what I have
is I to
the that
my
hon. these
are made in the
belief that are with the
to
improve
in
that they will be taken in the
Committee assure said justifies doing. work would the like Select
honest criticisms right Friend good faith, that in
or indirect control of the Government. I
do not quarrel with that, but do not let
that be put forward as something by
which we are asked to believe that all
these factories are working to perfection.
I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that
the Prime Minister almost suggested that
as these factories were working under
direct or indirect Government control,
everything was perfectly all right and that
no criticism could possibly arise.
Mr. Harold Macmillan: I think what the
Prime Minister was arguing was that as
these factories are under the control of
the Government, the question of interDepartmental rivalry does not arise.
Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne: My hon. Friend
sole the hope desire they production, true, and
is, I believe, mistaken. I think he is
spirit in which they are offered, and not
dealing with another point, to which I
will refer later. I do not want to labour
in any carping spirit. I hope that this
general Debate will have the same effect,
the matter unduly, however, but my right
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1332
[Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne.]
hon. Friend said that a great many factories were under the direct or indirect
control of the Government, and the impression he gave me was that everything
therefore must be right in these factories.
spondence with people of all kinds and
also with many Members of this House,
and at any rate I am entitled to say this,
that among all those with whom I have
had contact about this matter there was
only one case and that very guardedly.
Peckham (Mr. Silkin), who does excellent
work as chairman of the Select Committee's Sub-committee on Home Affairs, has
special opportunities of knowing that all is
not perfect in Government factories any
more than in other factories. There is no
reason to suppose that it would be so. In
a later part of his speech the Prime Minister said that in many cases Government
Departments work through their own con-
estimate. Many have suggested that I
The hon. Gentleman the Member for
in which I was not confirmed in my
was over-optimistic.
Whereupon, the YEOMAN USHER of the
BLACK ROD being come with a Message,
the CHAIRMAN left the Chair
Mr. SPEAKER resumed the Chair.
ROYAL ASSENT.
tractors. There is no doubt that that is
largely true, especially in connection with
the Admiralty, for whom certain contracIn
tors have worked for many years.
those cases there is closer liaison between
the Department and the factory than
would otherwise be the case. But a
remark of the Prime Minister's with which
I especially want to deal was his reference to an estimate I made in this House
that the country as a whole was not working at more than 75 per cent. of our total
possibilities of production. That statement was not made three weeks ago for
the first time. I made it in this House
on 22nd May, and again on 10th June of
this year, and at that time it was not
challenged at all. With the permission
of the Committee I would like to repeat
the words I used on roth June. I said:
if I had to guess what was the figure
of efficiency of our effort to-day, I would not
put it higher than 75 per cent. of the full
possibilities of the n."-[OFFICIAL RE.
PORT, 10th June, 1941; col. 132, Vol. 372.]
I never for a moment suggested that any
one branch of engineering or one particular factory was not working to full
capacity. Of course there are cases of
that kind. I know some factories which
Message to attend the Lords Commissioners.
The House went; and, having re-
turned
Mr. SPEAKER reported the Royal Assent
to:
I. Colonial War Risks Insurance
(Guarantees) Act, 1941.
2. Financial Powers (U.S.A.
Securities) Act, 1941.
3. War Damage (Extension of Risk
Period) Act, 1941
MEASURE TO RECEIVE THE ROYAL
ASSENT.
Diocesan Reorganisation Committees
Measure, 1941
SUPPLY.
Again considered in Committee.
(Sir DENNIS HERBERT in the Chair.)
Question again proposed,
That a sum, not exceeding £90. be
granted to His Majesty, to complete the sum
necessary to defray the charge which will come
in course of payment during the year ending
could not produce another 5 per cent. or
even 2 per cent. output, but I would not
on the 31st day of March, 1942, for the
salaries and expenses of the Ministry of
Supply, including expenses of the Royal
moment that I vary in the least from the
conviction I held and expressed on 10th
that the estimate which I made in the
like the Committee to think for one
June. Taking our total effort, we are
still short of what we can do, and the
great advantage of these Debates will be
if, as a result of them, the nation is
brought to realise that we must get that
extra production. Since I made that
speech I have had many hundreds of
contacts, both personally and by corre-
Ordnance Factories.
Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne: I was explaining
House on two occasions previous to the
recent Debate, and which was referred to
by the Prime Minister to-day, was an estimate of what I considered to be the total
possibilities of the nation harnessed to the
production of munitions of war. I do not
suggest, and I have never suggested, that
it was anything more than an estimate.
It
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surprised that that has been the case; but
could not be. It would be quite impossible
I really cannot believe that in Australia
or in America our cause can be permanently harmed by earnest criticism in
to give figures on a basis that would
I my
right
in my statement.
an actuary or an accountant, and
I that was one
this House, and by our our
to apply and
satisfy gather quite understand it-which of the difficulties this
determination in every showing remedy
every means our power and to make
hon. morning Friend dealing the Friend Prime with Minister had
every sacrifice necessary to secure the
teresting figures of the increase in the
number of people working for victory in
the country now as against a year ago.
He said that there was one-third more
our
greatest possible effort of which this
sidering that of
thought it could only be harmful, if at
all, to a limited extent in the United
My right hon. gave some very in-
country is capable. I cannot believe that
in the end we suffer by having made our
object plain, especially among our
brethren in Australia, and I should have
was more, con-
people production working there one-third in had factories been and difficulties and that
the black-out, air attacks, and so on, the
situation was not at all unsatisfactory. To
me a comparison of that sort, if I may say
so with the very greatest respect to my
States. I appreciate that my right hon.
Friend was kind enough to say it was
not the speech I made but words taken
from it and divorced from their context.
right is hon. Friend, question is quite of comparing meaningless.
One appreciates that there are great difficulties for newspapers in these days, and
This
not a one
time period with another There is
nothing with which one can compare. It
can only be a question of one's own idea
based on the evidence one can secure as
to what the country could do.
does me the honour of reading my speech
on the last occasion could possibly say I
failed to appreciate the difficulties facing
the Government or that I attributed blame
recklessly either to the Government, to
employers, or to employed.
In that speech I referred to three points
One of the objects I had in view in the
speech which I made and I can assure
hon. Members that I gave that estimate
only after very careful consideration-has
been achieved, because it has brought to
the notice of the Government that a very
large number of people are not satisfied
that we are pulling at the full 100 per
cent. rate, which ought to be the case in
our war effort. I also stated before
business was interrupted that I had had
many contacts and that no one has
particularly which show that I was not
putting forward merely carping criticism.
Firstly, I referred to our unpreparedness
when the war started and that our difficulties to-day are proof of the earnestness
of our efforts to avoid war in 1939.
suggested I was pessimistic in making
that statement- if anything it was said
that I was over-optimistic. An immense
number of new factories which did not
come into
I do year.
not operawant
tion previously during exist the last have
to quarrel with the Prime Minister's
but,
I do not fact
our is one-third than
figures__I am very glad he is so satisfied-
I
ago output is entirely satisfactory. think more the
a that year personally,
one appreciates that every Member of
Parliament has to be particularly careful
in what he says in time of war. At the
same time I do not think anyone who
think we could do better than that.
Secondly, I dwelt on the time required
for the change-over from peace to war
conditions. It is surely quite clear also
and here. I am referring to an earlier
remark made in the House by the Prime
Minister that my remarks could not be
taken as being criticism of the present
Minister of Supply or the present Presi-
dent of the Board of Trade. I believe
that both these gentlemen have done
excellent work, but that does not in the
have had an adverse effect in Australia
least detract from the point I am making,
namely, the necessity to drive home to
the people of this country that there is
still more that we can do, and that we
are not doing all we can and putting in
that little extra which is necessary if we
are to win in reasonable time. To me,
reasonable and careful criticism of that
or America. The Committee will not
think it strange, perhaps, if I say I am
kind is the duty of the House of Commons.
If we are not fighting for free discussion
The Prime Minister also spoke of the
these
in much
theI in
of other
the effect remarks which
remarks speakers of mine had had, and
regret, any remarks of mine should
particularly Australia. that I very United regret, States and deeply
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[Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne.]
in the House of Commons, for free speech
and for a free Press, indeed, I do not
know what we are fighting for, and, of all
people, I believe my right hon. Friend
the Prime Minister would be the first to
support me in that view. Clearly it must
be
to
we
say, our
our but object equally be it is careful duty in what to try,
not to find fault with the Government,
but to spur them on to obtain that extra
production which is so necessary and to
point out where changes are required. I
have not always seen eye to eye with my
important work he is doing. I am
the Minister of Labour will not desire sure the
Committee to believe he is entirely satis.
fied with the present position of affairs
We all know there is a great deal more
still to be done in training labour and in
placing it.
There is one point, however, upon
which I must dwell for a moment.
to it
fact, was one main his
Prime it Minister referred of the points again of The
speech. It relates to the desire in some
parts of the House and among a
a of
outside to the
right hon. Friend in political matters. I
differed entirely from his view in one particular question some years ago, but he
has had no better friend or stronger sup-
dealt referred with I spoke that here point guardedly ago
porter in the last months since he took
to avoid the difficulties which exist-and
country owes him a great debt for his
determination, drive and initiative which
are of inestimable value, but at the same
time, however gifted one man may be,
one cannot help feeling that the country
might benefit if that task could be a little
more spread over others and his heavy
burden correspondingly reduced.
I do not wish to draw attention to-day
to matters to which I referred on the last
occasion. It is noticeable, however, in
connection with the references I made
then that there has been a change, a
minor change perhaps, in the working of
the Essential Works Order. I am not suggesting it is as a result of the remarks
made during that Debate, but at any rate
it has been a change which I hope will
lead to a more satisfactory working of that
legislation. I am very tempted to deal
with some of the difficulties of the Minister
of Labour and his Ministry, such as the
inadequate training facilities in factories,
vacancies in the training centres, and the
further measures required to successfully
harness the willing labour of hundreds of
thousands who for the first time in their
lives are devoting themselves to very
arduous work under disagreeable and often
repugnent conditions. The Prime Minister
seemed to me to want to shield the Minister
of Labour. The Minister of Labour is of
a very stalwart structure, and he seems to
me to be well able to stand on his own
I do not know of anyone attacking him
although I do not think he can possibly
expect to be free of criticism in a time like
this when all of us are so deeply interested
in obtaining the maximum results in the
a few weeks
rather
I to the necessity for co-ordination
everyone knows they exist-between
Government Departments and between
Departments and various factories, and
came to the conclusion that there seemed
then no other way out of the difficulty
except by the appointment of a Ministry
of Munitions. I was well aware of the
fact that a complete change-over of this
kind at this stage of the war was a matter
which would have to be very carefully
considered There is no doubt that
would be apt to hold the machine,
a but even
haps for weeks. only for I have few therefore days
up possibly
perbeen
consider-
ing since then whether there is not
another measure which could be put for
ward as a constructive proposal to enable
the Government to deal with the various
difficulties which I and other Members
have enumerated to-day and on the
previous occasion.
It seems to me that there is an alterna-
tive which might be tried. The Minister
of Labour has made certain alterations
in the Area Boards. I agree with the last
speaker that these changes have not gone
far enough to make any radical alteration
in the present procedure. These Area
Boards, or Regional Boards, as they are
now called, are still mainly advisory. In
that capacity I do not think we will get
very much further help from them.
suggest that the Government might consider giving real power to these Regional
Boards to act in their areas under one
Minister in Whitehall-I do not care what
you call him- a Minister of Munitions or
a present member of the War Cabinet free
from Departmental work and in control of
the Production Executive What we
I
up his present heavy responsibilities. The
appointment When number of people of Ministry Munitions see great
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want is not advice but action in the
regions. They have the knowledge there
of production capabilities in their areas,
and, if we could get a Board consisting
of representatives of the different Ministries, presided over by a leading local industrialist as chairman and a leading
trade unionist as deputy-chairman, or
vice versa, with power to act in their area,
I believe we might make a very great
advance in securing all the district was
capable of producing; in the removal of
bottle-necks and in the transfer of
capacity from one part or unit in the area
to another. It would be essential that the
chairman, acting for the Board, should
have power to refer directly to one Minis-
ter in Whitehall. What we want to stop
is the present system by which problems
are referred back from the area to each
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Time is passing. It is a little sad that,
after twenty-three months of war and
three years or more since we started to
rearm, we are still only directly fighting
Hitler, though very effectively, in the air.
us the facts. I do not
a
we lose
caste
in
Let moment
face that anywhere
think for
facing them. It
a although the
tremendous the usand
worldthe
long by time, has task taken was
get our stride, and it is
sad, one,say,
to I into
change-over
no a mean little
that
we are not
we are to-day,
achievements on are.
than great
furtherever
our
I doany
notaswant
the Prime Minister in
a
case,
he
again
similar toas
have
kindhad
of say, to
say in
the case of that we could
it because
we hadCrete,
not got
guns.the
not Why hold
have we not got the guns? Some of the
reasons why we have not got them yet
Department of the Government independently, from the Ministry of Supply
to the extent necessary are the very
matters which the Prime Minister dis-
representative to the Ministry of Supply,
from the Admiralty representative to the
Admiralty, and thus delay decisions and
missed to-day as details. It is these details
that a too
hold up output. If the Government feel
an
complete Ministry upset of Munitions at the present means stage
of the war, I suggest that they should
make these Area Boards very much
stronger than they are at present and give
them power to control production within
their areas and to refer directly to one
Minister where there is a necessity to
settle some question of policy. I am
deeply concerned at the inadequacy of the
present area organisations and I think a
policy of decentralisation on some such
lines is the only possible alternative to
that count. I want a determined effort by
every executive and every workman to get
the largest output possible and to avoid
waste of time, labour or material. It must
be unpatriotic to waste one's efforts and
to allow others to waste valuable days and
months. If we have brought that home
to the people, as well as bringing the
difficulties and problems actively before
the attention of the Government, we have
done some good.
Mr. Shinwell (Seaham): The Prime
to make the people of the country
also realise the position. If we can make
people appreciate the importance of their
Minister, in opening the Debate, made a
characteristic speech. I am bound to say
that it was a remarkable dialectical effort,
and with much of what was said about the
immensity of our task, the final outcome
of the war, the background of our production effort and the response of labour,
I am in complete accord. Indeed, so are
we all. But if the speech was intended
as a considered reply to the recent Debate
on production and the many criticisms
made on that occasion, it was singularly
unsuccessful. We expected a considered
reply to the allegations made in the last
Debate. Apart from one or two allegations to which the right hon. Gentleman
own delays individual stoppages, damage the fault by
response replied, that received said, and the that only
a Ministry of Munitions.
I have said that the first object of my
former speech had been achieved, and
that was to bring to the notice of the
Government the fact that many people in
the country are not satisfied with what we
are at present doing. I think I might
almost claim that second in
has also been and
that these is Debates my achieved, object
effort, the done
or orwhether
of
slackness on the of
we can make
man
workmen, managements
if every
part and
woman realise that it is individual effort
that counts, we shall have gone far to
achieve what we want.
no more was
we was our
criticism, which emerged from all quarters
of the House, would be duly considered.
The Prime Minister has again failed to
appreciate the fundamental nature of the
complaint which has emerged in almost
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[Mr. Shinwell.]
every one of the production and manpower Debates. May I, therefore, direct
attention to what I regard as the real
and fundamental issue? It can best be
appreciated if it is put in a series of
questions. Do the facts-_ emphasise the
facts-of our actual production justify the
acceptance of the view that the position is
satisfactory, having regard to the gigantic
task confronting the nation? Have we
organised the whole of our potential industrial capacity in the war effort? Is
there any substance in the complaint
made about idle and under-employed
labour in factories and about inefficiency
of managements? If the munitions position was showing a steady improvement
under the control of the late Minister of
Supply, why was he supplanted by Lord
Beaverbrook? To these question we
have received no adequate replies.
Before I deal with the questions I must
make reference, following what was said
by my hon. Friend opposite, to another
factory. We have had percentages and
statistics which are meaningless and con.
vey nothing. In the nature of the case
nothing can be conveyed by these statis.
tics. Occasionally we have heard state.
ments by Government spokesmen in reply
to criticisms which express
state of our
satisfaction with Frequently
munitions complete
progress.
wethehave
read
speeches by Ministers which were
supremely optimistic. The speech of the
Minister for Aircraft Production in the
last production Debate was a truly
remarkable effort in optimism. It was so
asy-going, so complacent and so self.
assured, probably because, as the Prime
Minister remarked when announcing today's Debate, it was not a considered
statement. Ministers are expected to
make considered statements. If they are
unable to do so, it seems likely that they
have much to learn about their jobs. On
the other hand, we frequently hear
challenges to the Committee. He invites
us to Divide and again Divide, and pre-
accounts of our munitions position which
show that the Government are fully alive
to the inadequacy of our production effort.
Statements do not lose their force because
they are made behind closed doors, and
in public Ministers manage to let the cat
out of the bag.
sumably to Divide as often as we please;
he is ready to meet the challenge. There
A superabundance of evidence goes to
prove that we could make a fuller use of
issue that emerged from the Prime
Minister's speech. If I may say so, my
right hon. Friend is very prolific in his
has, however, never been any specific
challenge to the Government. Surely it
cannot be supposed that when questions
are asked or criticisms emerge in this free
and democratic Assembly, the only
response vouchsafed by the Prime Minister
is to be the acceptance of a challenge. As
far as I am personally concerned, I am
willing to Divide the House at least twice
a week on a fundamental issue if it does
emerge, but not on the terms stated by the
Prime Minister. With Whips of all parties
fettering private Members, it is easy
enough to challenge hon. Members. The
challenge is easy when all the cards and,
indeed, all the trumps are stacked on your
side. I resent these challenges that emerge
from my right hon. Friend. There is no
occasion for them. Whether he challenges
us or not, however, criticism will be continued if there is just occasion for it, but
not with any desire to impair the war
fabric or embarrass the Government.
In spite of what the Prime Minister said,
and, indeed, in spite of this Debate, it is
still not clear whether the Government
regard the munitions position as satis-
our productive effort. Speeches and
articles by responsible trade union
leaders, many of which I have collected
and could quote, statements by workers
and by production experts and documents
issued by the Select Committee provide a
powerful case for criticism which, even
allowing for the many difficulties which
the Government have encountered, is impressive and cannot be easily dismissed.
I propose to take my stand on the ground
provided by the Government themselves
Take, for example, the admissions-for
they were admissions, vital admissionsmade by the Prime Minister during the
Debate on the Cretan episode. Was it
not conclusive that the primary difficulty
was to provide a sufficiency of arms in
all theatres of our Near Eastern operations? This is what the Prime Minister
said among other things:
A man must be a perfect fool who thinks
that we have large quantities of anti-aircraft
guns and aircraft lying about unused at the
far as are
time. I will about aircraft in a
concerned, and as our
moment, present but, large so speak expanding anti-aircraft guns is is
present production, every single gun
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at some necessary point or other, and
for many
is all competed
action eagerly future production for by rival months behind claimants ahead each
with very often. massive cases
one
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of them. [OFFICIAL REPORT, roth June,
1941; col. 142. Vol. 372.)
1342
alone. He more than any other man is
conscious of the need for attack if the
enemy is to be brought to book.
notenter
war simply
for the
the purpose
We did
of defending this island. On the other
we expect
That was a quite recent announcement, a
vital and damaging announcement.was
It
in secret so
should made, not be noted that but the criticises in statement public, the critics that
when
the Prime Minister
for making known to the country and the
world our deficiencies, he must himself
take a share and a large share of the
responsibility when he is guilty of making
be
pronouncements
urged that the of this first character. consideration It may in
relation to the Cretan episode was
strategy. But it is surely clearly established that our strategy is largely, if not
wholly, determined by our capacity to
produce and deliver munitions.
There is a stronger and more recent
criticism. The Prime Minister, in a
in his
are our resources
and hand, Minister if indicated invasion, speech as the to-day, Prime
are we so
event, pledges why of conserving
active prolific
for inready
that our
support
and so
in promising assistance? If all we have
in munitions barely suffices for the deshores, with some
fence
these
provision
for ourofinForces
the Near
East
which
itself is known to be inadequate in the
event of large-scale operations, why pretend that the production position is satisfactory and show resentment in the teeth
of criticism? Facts are facts, whatever
the Government may say, and the suppression of criticism will not enable the
Government to take the initiative. That
can only be achieved when we have an
efficient scheme of production and a flow
courageous broadcast six weeks ago, made
of munitions on a colossal scale has
an immediate response to the wan-
emerged.
by Hitler on Soviet Russia
It occurs to me, and I recall what the
Prime Minister said during his speech,
ton act of aggression committed
Since
then we have proceeded further.
We have declared Soviet Russia
AS our Ally. That was a wise decision.
Furthermore, we promised to render all
to our new
possible struggle against aid the enemy. Ally Why in have her
we so far failed to render assistance of a
substantial kind? The air attacks on the
Western Front have been
have
the
they any event. would presumably If Government magnificent, occurred main- but in
tained that these attacks
that would itself be a
taken for serious place, would
not ground have
We
enough to that he would
that the Government are relying too much
on the flow of munitions from the United
States. If so, it is a grave blunder. I
listened with great interest to the statements of our American friends on this
side. Their optimism does credit to their
intentions and sincerity, but we cannot
expect the industries of the United States
to repair the deficiencies of our own fac-
tories. That is asking from them more
than they are capable of giving. Moreover, should America be embroiled in war
with Japan, it is doubtful whether we
Front, to throw our
can expect to receive a flow of munitions
on the present scale. Therefore, to say
that there is a vast improvement on the
Why has he
gradually bringing the nation to full pro-
wish Minister
to well
criticism. say diversion
know the Prime
create
a substantial
on
the into
Western
strength
attack
and helpthe
to relieve
the Prime has
right Russian hon. Allies, Friend Minister failed? our My
courage, he has the
of the
the such firm conviction ambition, urgent need and the for
an onslaught. He would be the first
man to join issue with the enemy on this
front. Why is he so reluctant? Surely
the
answer is that he has everything but
the means.
It may be urged that we have to conserve our resources because of the possidoes bility of invasion, but the Prime Minister
not rely for final victory on defence
position a year ago, and that we are
duction, is not enough.
It may be that the Government have
a target figure in guns and tanks and in
all forms of munitions, and that the target
figure is being reached every month. That
may be so, although it may sometimes
happen that the target in a particular
category appears to have been reached
when, in fact, for want of spare parts or
for some other cause, they cannot be put
into commission. A tank is not really a
tank until it is fully equipped with guns,
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[Mr. Shinwell.]
electrical equipment and all other acces-
received any consideration. Moreover,
sories, more than a ship becomes a
basic factories paid far to female too low failed those the to
engines any launched but event, has not it
attract labour from other industries. That
is why registration became essential
shipinstalled.
when itInisany
the
is
always possible to reach a target figure
without difficulty if the figure is comparatively low. Everything depends onIf
the target set by the Government.
the Government believe that 1,000 guns
a month-that is merely an illustrationare sufficient, and that figure is reached,
they may feel satisfied, but the number
may be far short of what is actually re-
quired. It may be necessary that the
target figure should be revised and increased.
I should like to refer to a Debate in this
House on 7th August last year. On that
occasion I, with other hon. Members,
made a demand for the complete mobilisation of all our resources for the war effort.
That demand received support in many
quarters and elicited the reply-in August
last, let it be noted-that the Government
had a plan and that it was working to
their complete satisfaction. Subsequent
events seem to indicate that whatever the
plan was it proved inadequate for our purposes, or perhaps the Ministers responsible
for operating the plan never had a real
chance of bringing it to fruition. At any
rate, after all the talk of planning and the
promise of full mobilisation, at the end of
nearly two years of war and fifteen months
of the life of the present Government, we
have failed to achieve anything like the
full use of our resources.
wage workers in
was and
for
our new is
a may earn more
is new
my I
workers hear week, that and in the while basic they factories wage only female 38s.
has led to stress and strain which has
Treasury, who know
caused but not the the fault fault difficulties. of of the right That, hon. believe, Friend,
nothing about such matters, and
apparently never realised that girls earning £3 and sometimes £4 a week in nonessential trades were not disposed to enter
munition factories and, when they were
compelled
to do so, became unwilling
workers.
Moreover, when the managements in
concerns
no in-
was no authority to dis-
private tervene. Minister of There Labour proved had power difficult to the
place them or to take over the factories
apart from the famous declaration by the
Lord Privy Seal, which is now a standing
joke all over the country. On the other
hand, my right hon. Friend the Minister
of Labour was step by step compelled to
use compulsion on the workers without
exercising any compulsion on the employers. That is not only an anomaly but
is an impediment to production. No, Sir,
the blame does not reside in the Minister
of Labour or, for that matter, in any other
Departmental Minister. It is elsewhere
that we must search for it.
Let me give another example. The
Who is to blame for this state of affairs?
In the opening speech of the Debate my
late Minister of Supply, now the President
tribute to the Minister of Aircraft Produc-
one will agree, a man of the highest
integrity. In a statement issued by his
right hon. Friend paid a well-deserved
tion. May I remind the Committee that
barely twelve months ago the Minister of
Labour received the unstinted and
unanimous applause of hon. Members
opposite? Now many of the same people
who applauded him seek to condemn him,
not to blame for the
never had the
but position.
which
he is enabled
He has authority
present
would
have
him to
deal
with the situation. His task has been to
provide the labour, not to organise the
supply whether of munitions. Indeed, it is doubtful
my right hon. Friend was ever
consulted about the location of the new
ordnance factories. They were placed in
remote areas, Housing was apparently
never considered; transport certainly never
of the Board of Trade, is a man with
remarkable business record and, as every-
Department following upon a Debate is
Secret Session he gave a fair exposition
of the work of the Ministry of Supply.
He showed how it was gradually to be
built up by an ordered production plan.
not
a
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After produced? nine months, He has what has produced he actually
scheme which commends itself to the War
Cabinet or to the Prime Minister, and
certainly not that vast range of munitions
which everybody had been entitled to expect. All that he has succeeded in producing is Lord Beaverbrook. That is all
that has emerged. Why has Lord
Beaverbrook emerged? Is it because the
position is satisfactory? Is it because the
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29 JULY
plan has succeeded, that smooth-working
plan of which we heard so much in the
Prime Minister's speech to-day? Is
because the plan has succeeded and we
are now able to build up the tanks and
guns which we require for a great effort?
Or is it because the plan has failed, and
must be done rapidly to make
it
was some-
had return
to bewas there.
up
something
leeway? late It Minister suggested of Supply
where
thatthethe
cause to there nobody the Minister Board else of to Trade go
Surely
the Prime could have
selected somebody from his entourage to
fill that post without arousing additional
comment.
What is Lord Beaverbrook expected to
do at the Ministry of Supply? Apparently
he has reconstructed his Tank Board.
Presumably he has done so because there
and
was with
the was
was something wrong with the old lot,
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1941
hon. Member for Kidderminster (Sir J.
Wardlaw-Milne) that it may not be right
a proposal of this
some
modified
be
but to
introduce
kindproposal
might now,
acceptable. I have no desire
of Supply, Aircraft
tion the Ministries Labour, to Produc- abolish
or but I want these Depart-
ments to work to a common pattern, to
eliminate all competition and to abolish
all overlapping in production. The
Ministry of Supply will never be a successful organisation until there has been a substantial transfer of the functions of other
Departments to that Ministry. There is
undoubtedly too much I
an example.
The
will provide overlapping,
Ministry
and
Supply the of Pro-of
manufacture
of the and as
although duction and of both different Ministry Aircraft
The machines,
certain
the
manufactures some
facture Supply explosives and Admiralty types. shells, both as Ministry well manu-
old if there lot, there something something wrong wrong
somewhere. Immediately Lord Beaverbrook emerges he removes the old gang
and introduces a new lot. Is Lord
guns now in the coastal
shells Ministry ammunition for ex-naval of for Supply guns, while
defences. The Ministry of Aircraft Pro-
duction manufactures bomb
of does the
Beaverbrook expected to act as a bull in
a china shop and to barge around the
place? We have heard stories of his
arging. Is he expected to remain for the
purpose of boosting-up production. When
the booster is finished, is he to retire on
his laurels, or is he to be sent to another
Department to boost things up there, as
the universal booster for the Government?
He still remains a member of the Production Executive. Who is to co-ordinate the
activities of the Production Executive?
Will Lord Beaverbrook allow himself to be
co-ordinated? I wonder whether my right
hon. Friend the Minister of Labour would
care, in a confidential comment across the
Floor of the Committee but so that
can to the an
utterly body frank
hear,
give Committee
everyidea
of what
he
to do on the
he presides with so much dis-
which Beaverbrook Council expects Lord over
tinction.
Mr. Bevin: I can tell you what he will
have to do.
Mr. Shinwell: Already? Such language
to my Beaverbrook?
a to run a munitions
for Minister Lord grandiose I do not ask
department. In that respect I differ from
some of my hon. Friends. I ask for a
Minister in the War Cabinet untrammelled
by departmental considerations, to preside
over the Production Executive and coordinate their activities. I agree with the
1346
the fuses. cases, The
although filling and the Ministry supplies Supply
Ministry of Supply manufactures all small
arms and ammunition. Surely this constitutes a prima facie case for more unified
organisation?
was the of
In the last Debate on production, a
demand factories. I believe made
it for
was
a pooling
very prac-
tical proposal. This served to elicit a
superficial response from the Minister of
Aircraft Production, who regarded it as an
effort to purchase outright the whole of the
engineering industry. It is nothing of the
sort. There are several impediments to
increased production, but one of them is
the fact that several of the managements
-I do not put it higher than that- are
reluctant to release labour and other resources for the use of their competitors;
sometimes they conceal their reserves for
fear of losing them to other firms. The
plain fact is that they are afraid of
diminishing their earning capacity. The
remedy is to pool the firms engaged in
certain fields of productive activity, thus
providing compensation to shareholders
and giving each firm an assurance that
none will gain at the expense of another.
That would remove much of the present
difficulty, but that is not nationalisation,
although I am bound to say that if the
Government find that production is being
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HOUSE OF COMMONS
[Mr. Shinwell.]
retarded by private firms, the obvious
course is to take them over, at least for
-Production
completely vindicated by events and need
offer noDebate.
apologies for the strictures in the
recent
the duration of the war.
A few words now on the question of
labour supply. I have no doubt that the
Minister of Labour has done all in his
power to increase training, but I doubt
whether the position is yet satisfactory.
Perhaps he will tell us what numbers are
at his disposal. Several weeks ago we
accepted proposals for the concentration
of industry. The main purpose was to
release labour from non-essential indus-
tries for work on munitions. What is
the result? It is reported that we have
secured, or are about to secure, the services of about 115,000 persons. That is
a ridiculously small number. The estimated labour force in non-essential indus-
tries that could be made available is
from 700,000 to 750,000 persons, so that
all we have been able to secure is about
I5 per cent. Again, we run up against
the difficulty that obstacles are placed in
the way by firms who see their livelihood
disappearing and by workers who prefer
to remain in their old trades earning
reasonable wages instead of going on
munitions, where the basic wage for a
man is 63s. and for a woman 38s.
weekly. Not until the principle of com-
are compelled to pay high prices for
port costs, it will be seen that some of
the troubles are of the making of the
Treasury
and not of the Ministry of
Labour.
This is not in reality a production
Debate. We are not called upon to offer
constructive proposals, and I shall tell the
Committee why. Because, as the Prime
Minister observed in the course of his
speech, every proposal that has emerged
in the course of the past year or 18 months
I
critics has been made out. They
themselves. The faults are not always
on one side. But whether in the Govers-
ment, or on the other benches in this
House, our objective is the same, It
to construct out of our vast resources the
arms required to give the death blow to
the menace of Hitlerism. On that issue
there is common agreement, whatever else
may divide us. We have the skill of
our craftsmen, the willingness of million
of our workers of less skill but none the
less useful, our technical ability and
capacity of organisation and, by no means
least, the support of powerful Allies
That, properly used, is a powerful and
formidable combination. Let us make
certain it is effectively organised
harnessed to the national effort.
Members who wish to speak may not be
given an opportunity to do so. My intervention is for two reasons, first, because
happen to be intimately associated with
a number of industrial concerns through
out the country which are engaged in
Government work, and, secondly, be
cause, no less than the Prime Minister
himself, I felt. that the recent Debate 00
supply was calculated to give a wholly
false impression of the magnitude of our
national effort.
In the present Debate, in summing up
was already well known to the Government and had been considered. I do not
want to advance constructive proposals,
only to be told six months hence that the
Government knew all about them before I
had thought of them. If the Government
know everything, there is not much room
are
there is some acid about, let it not
forgotten that Ministers, not excluding the
Prime Minister, have indulged in its use
minutes, as I know that a number of
billets, and have sometimes heavy trans-
for the critics in this House. Indeed,
August we have consistently offered
gestions to the Government in a helpful
and constructive spirit. If, on occasion
Mr. Leslie Boyce (Gloucester): do not
propose to intervene for more than a few
pensation is accepted shall we overcome
this difficulty, and when it is considered
that workers who must leave their homes
wonder if there is much room for Parliament itself. I affirm that the case for the
It is the function of this House to offer
criticism, and I hope they will never
abandon
it. I maintain that since last
his condemnation of the results which
have been achieved by our production
Departments, the hon. Member for Kid
derminister (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne) said,
in effect, Here we are at the end of
23 months, and we are only hitting Hitler
in the air." Has he never heard of the
work of the Royal Navy? Does he blame
the Ministry of Supply or the industries of
this country for the immense amount of
equipment left behind at Dunkirk,When
or
Norway, Greece, or Crete?
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29 JULY
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have regard to the fact that this country
started its war production effort some five
or six years after Germany, when we have
regard to the enormous change-over that
has had to take place in our factories and
workshops from a peace-time to a war
production, apart altogether from the
hundreds of new plants that have had to
be laid down, I submit to the Committee
the result which has been achieved up to
date, when taken as a whole, has been
truly remarkable.
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Whether we are producing aeroplanes,
tanks, guns or any other form of munitions, we should adopt as a winning
motto: Get your prototype right before
you go into production. This involves,
among other things, having actual
machines built and undergoing a whole
series of trials, the manufacturer receiving, day after day, modifications in
design as the result of those trials, before
he can start production. But production
need not necessarily be held up seriously
But nobody in his senses, least of all
the Prime Minister, pretends that we have
yet had time to reach the maximum effort
of which this nation is capable. There
is ample evidence that most of the shortcomings mentioned in this or the previous
Debate are known to the Government,
and are receiving attention. They are
being brought to the notice of the Govern-
ment by trade associations and industrialists all the time whenever they arise.
I believe the gap between the percentage
of output which the hon. Member for
Kidderminster mentioned and the maximum output of which we are capable, is
closing more quickly than the hon. Member would lead us to believe.
In the recent Debate on production the
hon. Member for North Aberdeen (Mr.
Garro Jones), like other hon. Members,
with the that
was held to
made industry considerable being play up owing fact
numerous alterations in designs. I know
from bitter experience what it is to have
a pile of blue-prints
such alterations
just after whenyou
morning
morning
arecontaining
hoping arriving
to receive
in-
to go ahead with
There
structions
production.
have been times when
some of us
have been extremely irritated by that;
times when, if I had not been a Member
of Parliament, I should perhaps have been
sorely tempted to seek out a Member of
Parliament and elicit his assistance. But
we learned our lesson and modified our
views at the time of the Battle of Britain.
We then realised-some, perhaps for the
first time that if it had not been for the
alterations which had been made in the
designs of the Spitfire and of the Hurricane which gave them superiority in performance, no amount of skill on the part
of the industrialists and workers and of
the pilots could possibly have saved this
country.
1941
on that account, provided that the mo.
ment the machine has reached a certain
standard of performance, the manu-
facturer is allowed to go ahead and produce, say, 50 or 100 of that type. Later
modifications may be conveniently in-
corporated in the next series. In that
way the country will get the best of both
worlds. The R.A.F. and the Army will
get the machines on which to start their
training, and, in due course, when the
real fighting units come off the production
line, they will incorporate all the latest
improvements. Fortunately, at least so
far as my experience goes, the Supply
Departments are acting more and more on
this principle, which I am certain is the
right one.
There are many such practical points
on which I would wish to touch if there
were time, but I have reason to believe
that in most cases the Government are
well aware of them and are giving them
their attention. I would, however, like
to emphasise one very important point,
and that is that if we are to maintain an
even and uninterrupted flow of aeroplanes, tanks, guns and munitions, there
must be continuity of orders so that factories should have sufficient time to retain
or engage the necessary labour, to plan
and programme the production through
their shops, to order and obtain the
materials required so that they can be
put through their machine shops and got
ready as component parts for assembly,
and to enable them to obtain the necessary jigs, tools, templates, etc., so that
the time taken in changing from one production job to another is reduced to the
absolute minimum. In years gone by we
have suffered through orders being held
back and only brought to us at a time
when we had no alternative but to stand
men off. I am glad to say, however,
that in recent times, and particularly during the tenure of the present Government,
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Production
1352
[Mr. Boyce.]
things have greatly improved in that re-
and I feel that during the last Debate
the Committee was not altogether treated
spect. I have mentioned the matter
again to-day in order to bring it further
to the attention of the various Departments concerned, so that any delay of
this kind which may still operate to pre-
vent the even flow of production may be
eliminated altogether in the future.
1 am very glad indeed that the Government, and Parliament, as has been shown
by the various speeches made to-day,
realise that whereas overtime is necessary
in the present national emergency, it has
when so many of our liberties have been
surrendered, it is all the more important
that the Executive should value the
critical and informative function which
Parliament is expected to exercise. I can-
not help feeling that my right hon
Friend, had he consulted his Sancho
Panza, his Parliamentary Private Secre-
tary, might have had a conversation
something like this:
been proved to be a physical impossibility to work men for seven days a
How sayest thou so? quoth Doe
Quixote; Dost thoy not hear the horses
week and to maintain increased output.
I know of a number of cases where the
seven-day week has been attempted, and
the output, with the best will in the world,
has actually fallen below that of the
normal week's output.
It has been repeatedly said that more
than 90 per cent. of the managements and
men who are engaged in industry at this
moment are putting their backs into their
jobs in the great drive for victory on the
workshop front. To that view I heartily
subscribe. But I would like also to pay
a very well-deserved tribute to the inimensely valuable contribution being
made to industry by women. It is within
my knowledge that many hundreds of
women, who are temporarily engaged in
industry to-day, and who do not expect
to be continued in industry after the war,
are proving themselves punctual, metho-
dical, industrious and efficient. In a
matter of days, or at most weeks, they
have mastered the most complicated
machines and are working accurately to
the finest limits. In acknowledging, as
we gladly do, the work which our fellow
men are doing at this time, I hope we
shall not be slow to acknowledge our increasing indebtedness to the women for
the part they are playing in the national
neigh, the trumpets sound, and the beat of
drum? I hear nothing else said Sancho
than a great bleating of many sheep
When my right hon. Friend said it would
be open to us to take up the quarrel,
I think he was making a great mistake
As the hon. Member for Seaham (Mr.
Shinwell) said, there is no quarrel here:
we are all on the same line; we want to
get our production up to its very maximum. Again to-day, my hon. Friend the
Member for Kidderminster (Sir J.
Wardlaw-Milne) said that he considered
that our production was below what it
might be. I think every hon. Member
who represents an industrial constituency
must come to that conclusion. Without
going into figures or percentages, there
is no doubt that we could do more, and I
cannot see that it can do us any harm to
let that fact be known in Australia, the
United States, or anywhere else. It must
be admitted that in the United States there
are doubtless certain people and newspapers who are always prepared to take
any damaging statements out of their con
text and use them against us. No Mem
ber of Parliament is unfamiliar with that
type of procedure, but I do not think
much harm is done by it, and I think that
any harm that is done will be much more
than counterbalanced by the guidance and
instruction which the Government will re
effort.
I
Commander Bower (Cleveland)
think the resumption of this Debate today will be proved to be extremely valuable because I cannot help feeling that
my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister
had a wrong impression of the amount of
interest which was being taken in the
question of production, not only in this
House but throughout the country. Parliament, Press and people have been
taking a very lively interest in the matter,
with that regard and courtesy which
deserves. After all, at the present time,
ceive from hon. Members when such
criticisms are made.
I do not want to refer at any length to
deficiencies in our production, but there
is one point I would like to bring to the
attention of my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour. Owing to the Essential
Work and other Orders, it is true to say
that, broadly speaking, no employer is
master in his own business to-day. That
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may or may not be a good thing, and I
do not propose to argue it now; what I
there are many of them, who have said
say is that somebody must be master and
there must be some form of discipline and
friendly way, so long as they find something which should be criticised.
control. After studying matters in my
own constituency, my view is that the
they intend to go on criticising in a
Mr. Lawson (Chester-le-Street): The
measure
has
been in
control of the management has been in a
am many
large and I put quite its place. vitiated, convinced That and that is nothing unhealthy, in
instances that in itself causes a loss of
production.
Committee may remember that when the
Prime Minister made his
the last
effect that Debate statement had caused to the
some disturbance abroad, I interjected
that it had caused some disturbance in
this country. That was not because
one
There is another small point to which
I want to refer. My attention has been
have not
inactive the
question
of
it
was in the country that no really
this of the House, criticism and I expects so, been, criticism as the in
drawn to one or two instances where civil
servants performing extremely useful jobs,
those
to
know
been
in
details
which very they thoroughly, have got to and know in all which the
and working like them, with have them suddenly have got
promoted and removed to another sphere
of action for which they have been much
less suited. I suggest that in such cases,
without depriving the civil servants of the
extra emoluments which arise from their
promotion, they might easily be retained
Committee thought knows, production-but myself because on
adequate answer had been given to the
points raised. I thought that some of the
points would not have been very difficult
to answer. The feeling in the countryand I had seen something of it in the
Press as was illustrated by a conoverheard
the reaction
and the versation which which indicated I accidentally among
people following what was said during
the previous Debate. Part of the con-
in the same jobs where they would
versation, which I heard in a bus, was on
probably be much more useful in the war
effort than they would be in new and un-
these lines: Well, we have pulled our
guts out for the last year; we have done
all we can, and if this is the way they are
accustomed jobs.
going to talk about us, then to Halifax
with the lot of them am sorry to say
the word used was not Halifax. That
Lastly, I wish to refer to the question
of anti-aircraft guns, which the hon.
Member for Seaham touched upon a few
moments ago. I had personal experience
of this. There is no secret in the matter.
was the attitude of the workers.
The hon. Member for Kidderminster
(Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne) drew attention to
the fact that he had been balanced in his
Last autumn the Navy were extremely
short of anti-aircraft guns and I under-
criticism He was. He stated, for
stood that was because they were wanted
instance, that the Government had
for the Army. But a few months later
the Prime Minister stated openly in this
were of anti-
guns, this was after
aircraft
two House
that the
and Army
short
nearly
years
of war.
I think
that
state
of
I
affairs was very regrettable indeed.
only mention it because Crete was a very
great shock to us, particularly when some
of the facts became known and we found
out how very acute the shortage vas in
spite of all the time for preparation. I
cannot
the satisa state
of I
fied believe with that believe Government affairs like are that.
if they are criticised for such
deficiencies and resent this criticism, it is
the duty of Parliament to say they resent
such resentments. There is no hostility
to this Government at all. All Parliament
wants to do is to exercise its proper func-
worked wonders in the last year, and I
am going to show that they have done so,
in spite of some criticisms I have heard.
That fact did not emerge, however. What
did emerge in the Press, and it was not
only hinted at, was the question of
absenteeism, and questions affecting the
workers generally. I am not going to
excuse any worker who does not do his
duty. I am not such a fool as to say
there are not workers who do not do their
duty. I have not been in industry for
the better part of my life without knowing
that. But I say, that the critics of the
tions of guidance. I wish to associate
workers seldom pay any attention to a
considerable section of society which
never does any work at all, which has
sufficient wealth to get as much food as
it likes, which can roll in its motor cars
myself with all those hon. Members, and
to certain places and pay for what it
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[Mr. Lawson.]
gets, and very often get what is denied
to other people. We do not hear much
about that class. Neither do we hear that
in the past year the mass of the workers
I have said previously in the House tha
I do not think there is sufficient authority
in those who represent the Government
matters of production. I do not think
have, in the main, almost exhausted
Government have been given sufficient
credit for the setting-up of the Production
Executive, the Advisory Committees and
Night after night, week-end after weekend, they go out on night duty, helping
the Regional Committees. That was
wise move. There was more wisdom
behind it than the Committee generally
appreciates. The Advisory Committee
themselves in order to contribute towards
the nation's need. They have done more.
in civil defence, taking part in route
marches, practices and manoeuvres with
the Home Guard. I think we might
has the effect of harnessing the experience
sometimes spend a little time in telling
the world what our workers have done in
that in
the last year, instead of limiting ourselves
to criticism of their activities. One would
have thought from some of the speeches
to-day that the Government had been in
office for the last four or five years, or
at least since the war had broken out.
It looks to me as though some critics
are trying to cover the defects of previous
Governments by casting the sins of those
Governments upon the present Government.
What was the position twelve months
ago? We had lost the bulk of our equipment in France and the Low Countries.
We had a call for old shot guns for the
Home Guard- were we not pleased
when we got a varied assortment of arms
from America? We welcomed that gift as
though it was a veritable factory armaments works in itself. We were grateful
for what we got. We are very grateful
to America for all she has done and for
all that is coming. We appreciate the
magnificent fight that Russia is putting up
now and the benefit that it is giving us.
But we still realise that we have to depend
upon ourselves. If we have improved our
position-and we have, as the Prime
Minister said-we have to remember, too,
that the enemy has improved his position.
He has the whole of Europe at his disposal, and we have not learned much if
we do not know that the enemy is just as
ruthlessly efficient in things economic as he
is in the military and air spheres? Speed
is the keynote of things as far as we are
concerned, and the Government, and particularly the Prime Minister, cannot sufficiently emphasise to the people of this
country that one day that enemy will turn
upon us. He will come back in desperation, and we shall need to be armed much
better than we are at the present time if
that does take place.
of industry generally on the part of em
ployers and workers to the Production
Executive. That was badly needed. The
IRegional
want Committee does the same thing
all parts on the fact that who
there the of is the Minister something House of like Labour unanimity to realise
ever acts as chairman of the Production
Executive must have time to do the work
and authority to act. Both here at the
centre and in the regions I have a sense
of a lack of authority. Statements and
complaints were made in the last two
days Debate, but, as the Prime Minister
showed to-day, some of them were
a little out of date. The right hon
Gentleman has only begun to operate
as chairman of the Production Executive
Some of the troubles and scandals tha
were related in the Committee happened
some time ago. When complaints can be
put to the Advisory Committee by the
employers' side of industry, the committee
get to know what is wrong, and they get
plenty of quick information. They come
up, too, from the workers' side. It is
expected that these meetings, representative of the workers and the employers, will
keep the Production Executive informed
of what is happening in the country. The
right hon. Gentleman the Minister of
Labour has not the time to deal with
these things. It is no good saying there
is a staff to deal with them, because they
are matters which need the personal
attention of the Minister.
Then take the regional position; the
same thing applies there. It was in the
regions that I saw the scheme at work
I have proposed that there should be
somebody in a region directly responsible
and free to act with authority in place
of relying upon a committee. What hap
pens in the region is that an employer
sits in the chair and the difficulties are
talked over. That employer is usually
man who is the executive of a company
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if not the manager. When he leaves that
meeting he goes back to his own work
and the whole organisation is left in the
hands of civil servants. They may be
or they may be bad, but the fact
there
in in
good remains charge the is region. nobody They with get authority plenty
of circulars. That is the trouble. Instead of someone with authority being
appointed to act, so many circulars are
sent from Department after Department
that if all are to be read there will be no
work done. I do not mind saying that if
I read all the circulars I get on Civil
Defence matters, I should get no work
done, and I may tell those who write
them that I do not read half of them. We
shall only cut down the issue of circulars
by putting in charge someone who is
really responsible.
I do not think the Prime Minister has
heard the last of this question of a Ministry of Production, in spite of the explana-
tion he has given to-day. It is the old
question of the Ministry of Munitions over
again, and I think he will have to answer
the case in a much more effective fashion
than he has done to-day, and also meet
the point that we are now in a situation
where we have not the incentive of private
profit-making on the one hand, or the
wholesale nationalisation of factories on
the other. I think that is a point which
will call for an effective answer before
very long.
I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Devonport (Mr.
Hore-Belisha) has come back to the Com-
mittee, because I want to speak frankly
upon another side of the matter which
has not been raised at all to-day. It is
not without significance that for the first
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That statement made in this House has
usually been cheered, but I notice that
very great caution this
ask myself the
spective there I always is of question: afternoon. Irre-
which party? I notice, for
instance, that the last Ministers were
chosen in certain parts of this House, and
all of us had our opinions about them,
but when it came to the meagre-
sure the comI am not quite
The under Deputy-Chairman: which Vote present
ments of the hon. Gentleman come.
was it
Mr. Lawson: I was speaking about
criticism
been the
had Government which and had pointing levelled out that at
generally been side-tracked on to
labour. As a matter of fact, there is a
definite attempt on the part of certain
hon. Members to try, by much pushingoff of criticism, to lay the whole of the
blame upon Labour for the position in
steel production. It is an old party game.
All I can say is that the Prime Minister
showed an understanding 12 months ago
of the stage of development at which this
country had arrived when he asked
Labour, both political and industrial, to
join the Government. It appears to me
that it is not yet quite understood that
Labour is not now in mean street, either
politically or industrially. Something like
a miracle has happened in this country.
In this industrial age there is more combustible material lying about than ever
before in our history, explosive material,
which has destroyed many nations. The
miracle is that this country is more united
now than ever before in its history. If
there is anywhere an impression abroad
that labour can be kicked out and yet kept
for
not
pursue
that,
to
the broke the
Government
hon. Friend
day Minister storm of the of Labour. of formation criticism My of right this upon
in. all I can say is that that is heading
with endisaster. very except great I say do pleasure that want I the have united to watched
the Minister of Labour can answer for
deavour of the people of this country to
himself in any rough-and-tumble, but the
increase output and to strengthen our defensive organisation. That unity and that
temper represent the people of the counI do not believe that any section of
since
understand
that matter day. has
gone I further that
than that something
a Cabinet is in and,
can in the
not without that the
from like Press, what shadow I see, particularly being
who have been are
Ministers tically it all is Labour Ministers. meaning ousted There prac- has
been a kind of straw ballot taken, which
often coincides with what are called the
the Sometimes we
have rumours heard in the Lobby. statement that Ministers
ought to be chosen irrespective of party
will for a moment anyone
who to
try. society tries separate the various tolerate elements
of this Government.
In conclusion, as some of the older
there was a
not before was
Members very here long know, ago, artillery drawn time
mechanised,
when each gun was by
six horses. The Committee will perhaps
excuse me for saying that I was one of
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Lawson.
production. The greatest antidote to in
flation takes place, and there is a greater
production for the war effort. Therefore,
it is Government policy.
the unfortunate people who had to ride
the horses. I never made much of a soldier, but I had much tribulation in learning to ride my horses, and I think I was
about as brave about that as were some
of the gentlemen who wore red tabs. One
thing I learnt was that one had to forget
oneself and think of the team; if not, one
was soon in a tangle, there was soon
trouble and maybe disaster. The horses
had to move together. It was a great
I
art to get everything working together.
thought that was a lesson which we had
learnt effectively for the period of the war,
Production
but I am beginning to have my doubts.
At any rate, we did learn then, for our
own sakes, to forget ourselves and remem-
ber the team. The moral of that is obvious, and if nothing else I have said is
remembered, I recommend that to this
House both in this and in future Debates.
The Minister of Labour (Mr. Ernest
Bevin): I do not think there are many
points in to-day's Debate which I am
called upon to answer in detail. There
are, however, one or two points from previous Debates which I should like to deal
with, as the Vote of the Ministry of
Labour was not down on those occasions
and I think it is better that I should clear
them up now. There was a statement
made by the hon. Member for East Fife
(Mr. Henderson Stewart) regarding piece-
work earnings which, if allowed to go
Mr. Henderson Stewart (Fife, East):
cannot recollect that I mentioned anything about piece rates. I did not mean
to refer to piece rates at all. I was talking
about total wages earned, and the point
was trying to make was whether there
was to be any limit to the total wages
earned
in a diminishing consumption
market.
Mr. Bevin: The hon. Member was refer.
ring to the speech I made which dealt with
piece work in the building industry. I
made a speech in Manchester, and the
hon. Member quoted from it. I dealt in
it with the transference of a body of men,
after 100 years, to payment by results.
In the interests of the war effort I have
persuaded them to go over to the system
of payment by result- no mean task, even
for an unskilled labourer. Therefore, I
have said to the men that when the piecerate is fixed in the building trade, I do not
mind how many bricks they lay, or what
they earn; what I want is production
That is Government policy, and to tha
the whole Cabinet adheres.
Mr. Stewart: That was not the report
printed in the Times."
Mr. Austin Hopkinson (Mossley):
unanswered, may cause some uneasiness
there a guaranteed minimum?
among the vast number of people in the
country who are on payments by results.
Sir Joseph Nall (Manchester, Hulme):
I was present at the meeting to which the
Payments by results, if they are to be
successful in their application, must rest
on absolute confidence. There is no other
way in which they can operate. It was
said on that occasion that I had caused
some uneasiness by the statement which I
had made publicly that I did not mind
what was earned on payment by results
so long as it was represented by production. We were asked whether or not that
represented Government policy. My
answer to the hon. Member is " Yes,
emphatically. When a rate is fixed
through the procedure existing in
industry, and the people increase
their output, it is not our concern,
from that point, what they earn. We
assume that the industry will fix the rate
justly if the proper machinery is used.
But the more the people increase their
earnings, the lower they make the costs of
Minister has referred, and I think I am
entitled to say that no one at that meeting
could possibly have misconstrued what be
said. It was perfectly clear to everyone
who listened that he wished that those
who did put their backs into the job
should get the proceeds to which they
were entitled.
Mr. Bevin: There is another point
which was made in the last Debate by my
hon. Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne) with
regard to the difficulty of fixing rates.
This is a vexed problem. Anyone who
has had any experience of rate-fixing
knows how difficult it is to forecast exactly
what production will be, but I think that,
if the procedure laid down by the Employers Federations and the trade unions
of the country is followed, and people
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not go in madcap fashion fixing rates,
and then complaining of other people
afterwards, it will be kept on a fairly good
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announced in the Budget, to create a
situation in which adjustments will not
be necessary I think that is the best
level. It may be that, as a result of the
expedition of workers, the outcome is
policy to follow.
greater production and, again, what looks
should not say on behalf of anybody,
but I cannot yet remember that I am
here, after so many years in another
like abnormal earnings. But I am
always a little puzzled about these
abnormal earnings. I really think it is
time that this class distinction came to an
end. If somebody gets £1,000, £2,000
or £3,000, it is purely a conception, it is
purely a tradition, but if a workman gets
over £5. somebody thinks the world is
coming to an end. For Heaven's sake,
let us get into our minds that the thing
that matters is cost.
May I refer, while on this wages
problem, to the White Paper, and deal
with the point put by the right hon.
Baronet the Member for South-West
a on because
of the danger of inflation? That was
could Bethnal not Green stop (Sir be put P. Harris). wages, He asked,
what was tried in the last war, and it
caused inflation. In 1917 the then
Government decided that they would get
the chairman of the arbitration tribunal
to announce that it was Government
policy that further increases should not be
granted. What happened? My right
hon. Friend the Prime Minister will well
remember, because it nearly ended his
political career. The moment the safety
valve of unfettered arbitration was taken
away, disastrous disputes followed
throughout the country. I beg hon.
Members not to single out one class in the
community and say that for them arbitration should be fettered.
It has been assumed always that
increase follow prices. Actually, wages always wages
prices up and follow prices down.
I make a present of that fact both ways.
When prices go up, wages go up; and
down, in
come down and have
to when follow prices them great difficulty wages
adjustment may result. We discovered
that at the end of the last war. That is
the difficulty. Therefore, on this occa-
sion we have made stabilisation the
fundamental policy. The White Paper
says that if prices remain as they are
now, so-and-so should be taken into
account, but that if prices up,
the door to
you of cannot close jump adjustment right
wages. We hope, by the methods we
have adopted and by the policy which
the Chancellor of the Exchequer
May I say on behalf of perhaps I
place. [Interruption.] I think Transport
another
say on of
like to House is this, however, place. behalf I would
industry. Before I came here there were
many discussions on this problem
believe that both sides in
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importance of to
avoid seized such of the difficult
are
times industry
as theytrying
experi-
enced from 1918 to 1926. Adjustments
upward may be popular- speak from
sorry experience. Adjustments down-
ward are not an easy matter. We do
not want to create a situation at the end
of this war in which wage policy will
throw out of gear internal production,
the quick revival of our export trades,
coal and everything else. In that sense
we are trying with the help of employers,
of the trades unions, of the Treasury and
everybody else to keep the balance. That
you will avoid inflation altogether is very
doubtful and you must have a strong
machine at the end of this war to control speculation and every factor which
could disturb the quick return to stability
and trade. I think, therefore, that the
right hon. Gentleman the Member for
South-West Bethnal Green will agree that
this matter has been carefully studied in
all its aspects in order that we may be
able to grapple with this problem.
During the last Debate it was said that
I, as Minister of Labour, was unskilled.
I would like to take the opportunity now
of saying that I do not think any greater
honour has ever been done to me than the
making of that remark by the hon. Member for Mossley (Mr. Hopkinson). I am
the proudest man in the country to think
that for nearly 40 years my lite has been
spent with unskilled labourers. After all,
the old navvy is not unskilled. He has
done much for civilisation by the roads
he has cut, by the railways he has laid
and by the great works he has constructed
throughout the British Empire. It has
been a pleasure to serve him and to be
one of his kind, and I do not want to
be anything else. It was a great honour
the hon. Member did me, and one which
I appreciate, more especially when I think
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[Mr. Bevin.]
of the dockers of to-day. A few decades
ago they were among the outcasts and
the rejected, but to-day they are in the
forefront of the organised artisans of the
third is to bring within the orbit of the
main manufacturer every possible manu.
facturing unit in the vicinity. That is the
guiding line. When contracts are running and things are proceeding in the way
world. Therefore, I want to thank the
in which they have to do, it is not easy
to make a break. You cannot afford to
hon. Member for Mossley most sincerely
for calling public attention to the fact that
I am an unskilled labourer. But it is
a little hard when a man tries to be a
cynic and only reveals that he is a cad.
fundamental things that we did in relation
to production was this. After Dunkirk,
we found ourselves in a very
I would like to deal now with the ques-
tion of the Ministry of Production.
cannot, of course, add anything to the
statement of policy outlined by my right
hon. Friend the Prime Minister to-day,
I
but I should like to make a few observations from my own personal experiences.
I doubt very much-and I will place it no
higher than that-whether there is any
half-way house between the present form
of organisation and a complete Ministry
of Munitions. It is no use constantly trying to find a compromise. The task always
and I say it as coming new to Government, although, I hope, unbiased-to
keep responsibility down. I have done a
little organisation in my time, and I would
utter this word of warning. It is so easy
to pass the responsibility up. If you
create organism upon organism, there is
a tendency for the responsibility to be
passed upwards into a bottleneck instead
of being held down to the circumference.
We have been working with the Regional
Boards, and we have been trying to carry
out principles of devolution, I admit not
with complete success. There are many
industrialists in the Committee who have
carried through great mergers, and I suggest that there is not one of them who,
in his experience of mergers, has been able
to level out everything in less than four or
five years. Whenever I took a society
into my large union, I always allowed
three or four years before I could get the
whole thing smoothed out and working
properly. When you get to government,
and it is a question of creating a complete
organism, merging and reshaping so many
things, it is not easy to keep the sense of
responsibility down to the circumference.
I urge that the matter be considered in
that light.
As I have said, we have been carrying
out devolution, which is bound up with
three things. The first is the right distribution of materials, the second is the
full use of industrial capacity, and the
make a break, and you have to change
the changing orders go on. One of the
tion certainnot it
essential of short materials. supplies I of do grave vital think posi- and
is any good crying about the past or
blaming anybody. For instance, if any.
body asks me who was responsible for the
British policy leading up to the war, I
will, as a Labour man myself, make
confession and say, All of us. We
refused absolutely to face the facts. When
the issue came of arming or rearming mil-
lions of people in this country, people
who have an inherent love for peace, we
refused to face the real issue at a critical
moment. But what is the good of blam-
ing anybody? We cannot make our
action retrospective whatever we do. We
have to start from now and try to do the
best we can. We found ourselves, then,
in the terrible position of being short of
supplies of alloy steel- the key, the linchpin. We found ourselves in a position in
which priorities were not working back
to the other side, to the point of shipment. Orders and priorities abroad were
not quite working together.
Why was that? I do not blame
anybody. There were so many fields of
supply open to us until Norway went and,
suddenly, France went. When the Continent and the near points of supply were
closed to us, we found ourselves suddenly
up against a position which nobody had
anticipated or even provided for in the
strategy of war. I am putting the thing
quite frankly. That was the problem.
We had before us the whole list of supplies. We curbed in one direction where
we could manage for so many weeks, we
built up in another direction. I cannot
give figures to the Committee, but there is
not a manufacturer or a member of a
Regional Board who will deny that the
problem of raw materials, and the free
flow of materials, even with the Battle of
the Atlantic going on, has been largely
solved. I do not believe that a single
works in this country is held up, unless
is
ofBattle
we
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there is a hitch in transport. I think that
have had to contend over the last
a the great Atlantic accomplishment, and everything with with the else
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ing back in any effort it could make.
think that that is a mistake. It does not I
matter what you say to us here, because
we know each other. If may say so,
few months.
with all kindness, we know what value to
cing
a very
thing to do. was an
line will to that which
that taking
Myin
different
I took
LabourFriend
con-
There was then the question of balanmaterials It and food, not easy decision critical
to
raw
and build
East,
balance up supplies materials in the in Middle the country,
and choose between IS. 4d. or IS. worth
of meat for the people of this country. I
have been frank with the workers in the
country, and I have told them why their
ration has gone down. When they find
the Cabinet took the decision to supply the
troops in the Middle East with equipment
at the expense of their rations, they cheer
and say we have done the right thing.
There is no reason why they should not be
told. This balancing was going on every
day and every week, first on the labour
side and then on the production sidecould we run this, or could we run that,
and so on. The Prime Minister said dark
as the cloud has been, difficult as is the
issue we have yet to face, yet with these
resources, with the resourcefulness of our
Forces and the contributions made to us in
many ways we can see a little of the silver
lining. At any rate our people will be
better off this winter than they were last
winter. I have had very great difficulty
in handling the mines problem for this
very reason. There is no use in disguising
the fact. As was so well put this morning
at another meeting, it would probably be
better if the men could have 2s. 6d. worth
of meat to conserve their energy than take
another 10,000 men back into the mines.
We were conscious of what had to be faced
in dealing with the problem.
ing to
It has been asked, why are we not help-
hon.
Russia Friend more? the Member I would for Seaham say (Mr my
Shinwell) that it is very clever to say that
my right hon. Friend's speech was dialecti-
cal, but I doubt the wisdom of such a
place upon what is said. hon.
agree I am not a
ferences for years. I used to say, Do
not carry silly resolutions, because either
will bank their
or may result in
them, other people they unnecessarily policy upon
destroying confidence."
country never the
same upon what
person interpretation in another Remember places a
you say an
wrong
and entirely that what impression. may After convey you long say,
experience of international work. and I
have tried to do my best in the international sphere-I say that there is one
language of consumption abroad and
another for consumption at home, and we
should use language sparingly, when it is
to be consumed abroad, because of the
difficulties which may arise.
I should like to take this opportunity
to review briefly the kind of steps
one has had to take in dealing with the
was
of ofMinister
this
problems of my Department. First, I
That into three parts.
mobilising given task the divided the task labour itself by the Prime country.
First there were the Services. The
Cabinet and the Defence Committee laid
down in their wisdom how many men and
women had to be found for the three
Services We have a population of
44,000,000. You have to delete your
working population out of that, strained
to its utmost limit, of about 17,000,000,
and out of your 17,000,000 you must
allow, over a certain period, for a certain
number of people of certain ages, and
they must be of a certain physical standard. So you have to estimate health
standards, the rejects and the rest of it,
before you can get down at all to your
working population.
statement as he made. Surely it is known
But there is another difficulty to over-
what problems are facing the Army in
thatquestion
it is because
regard tive? to To the imply
taking
come in connection with the Services. The
number of Service tradesmen who have to
be provided is about 10 times as great as
the initiative on the Continent of Europe
at this moment-and that is the inference
a little unfair to the productive side.
It is also unwise, when Russia is fighting
in any previous war. There has been a
good deal of criticism about the number
of skilled men who have gone into the
Services. I invite any industrialist to go
through the servicing depots of the Air
of the initia-
we have
failed in production that we are not taking
for her very life, to let her think for a
moment that the British Cabinet is hold-
Force establishments and tell me whether
they have ever found it possible to run
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[Mr. Bevin.]
industry on as low a percentage of
journeymen as that with which the Air
Force has managed to build up that great
organisation since the war broke out. It
is an amazing achievement. The overwhelming proportion of the people repair-
ing our aircraft are semi-skilled and
trained since the war broke out in terms
of months, and, not only that, but they
are being continuously transferred to the
seats of war, with new men coming along
for training. I take my hat off to the Air
Force. They have done an amazing
work. I have no doubt that, as the
mechanical expansion of the Army takes
place, we shall find, when the Committee
has inquired into it, a very similar result.
When I am asked, Why are you letting
these people in? two things have to be
done with this labour force. You not
only have to have the men to fight, but
you have to have the men to keep them
on the road and keep them intact, which
means so much when the fighting takes
place. Then there are the women on these
vital Services. I cannot give the figures,
but it runs into thousands. They also
have to come out of the reserves of
women-power for industry.
If there is one thing that this nation has
had a tremendous dividend upon, which
has revealed itself in the training for industry and the training that has taken
place in the Services, it is the great educa-
tional system of the country for the last
30 or 40 years. Although far too many of
these people, far more than ever ought to
be allowed again, passed into non-productive occupation, and have had to be
taken back out of non-productive occupation into this productive effort, the ability,
the agility and the marvellous way in
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irritation and difficulty that had to
overcome in the short-term policy. During
the time that that was proceeding we were
working out a long-term policy.
One of the tremendous difficulties that
was
us was
was I
From parts in the
to meet be
Debates facing all there of the criticism the House labour that turnover. earlier
men from one
stopping another. To from moving that there had was to place not
some sort of Order, and I produced for
the Cabinet the Essential Work Order, I
think I can claim that no one has found
an alternative to it, although I have tried
in discussions with industry to see whether
anything else could be devised. Its main
purpose was to tie people to their jobs and
put transfer on an orderly basis. Another
object of it was to say to the citizen, You
are not tied, as it were, to another citizen;
you are tied to a responsibility to the
State." The Committee must make up its
mind on it. The criticism of this Order
has largely been on the ground that I have
not restored the system of the old leaving
certificate in the hands of the employer.
I have had to have regard to the last
war. After all, I went through all the
disputes at that time. The right hon.
Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr.
Lloyd George) and the hon. Member for
Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood) will
remember that the leaving certificate produced the most bitter trouble on the Clyde
and the right hon. Gentleman had to go
down and address the men and virtually
make it inoperative. It is no good
good
a to
and to man
making orders we cannot enforce.
With that experience, I tried, in the
course, old British say, way, If to I tie ride the middle
the job, I give him security, but, on the
which they have adapted themselves in
other hand, I expect him to observe cer-
basic educational value of the teaching
that they have received in our elementary
and secondary schools. Without it, this
great labour force could never have been
built up. The second thing one had to do
was to look at the immediate short-term
policy, which was to transfer people from
place to place as speedily as one could.
That led to a great deal of improvisation,
and I have no doubt it was the basis of
a good deal of the criticism. We could
that is an unreasonable position. I want
to assure the Committee that the Order
is working extremely well. Applications
are coming forward from industry after
industry to be brought under the Order
so that they can get stability. It has not
learning their work is a tribute to the tain obligations. I do not think that
not stop to put a long-term policy into
operation while we had the Dunkirk posi-
tion and the Battle of Britain facing us.
Therefore, there was a good deal of
secured the retention in
it has the of
merely industries but given of Ministry people
Labour and the Production Executive a
chance to know how many people are re-
tained, and it makes the discovery of
superfluity of labour much easier. It is
said that the Order takes away discipline.
The best industries in this country do not
rely upon sacking to impose discipline.
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not often sack politicians to get
Possibly I
discipline. We do shall in know time it dis-
reason, but I do not at
have appeal
Highly
the cover moment. the developed introduced industries
and the like. I
into London transport the
in system boards this country introduced before the
in the days passenger
was
last was war, always right-although when the it it dis-
covered he was often wrong-and has
worked admirably. We reduced dis-
missals in the transport industry to below
2 per cent.
All that is needed is that industry shall
work the system. Trade unionists should
not confine themselves to making critical
at their many of
have tested and be
For cried,
which speeches well-founded I conferences, years they found have not to
Give us more power of control, give us
more power and responsibility. I would
reply, Do not shy at it now that it is
in
your hands. But the exercise of
power and responsibility means taking
as as
If are power
and responsibility
ones. unpleasant you decisions for going discipline well to share in pleasant indus-
try, it means not only telling a fellow that
he is a good chap; sometimes it means
sacking him. That both sides should
shy-off working this Order shows a little
touch of the inferiority complex, and I
would beg both the unions and the
employers to face up to the position. Here
is a foundation on which to work, even
though it has been introduced as an Order
in war-time. I wish I had had the advantage of it at the end of the last war
to assist in securing stability instead of the
chaos which existed when peace came
about. I seriously urge that this Order
should not be treated as though it were
something of no value. I believe that it
is of great industrial value and can be a
complement to the new developments in
industrial relationships which have come
into being in the last few years.
May I now say a word at the risk of
being told that sometimes I lecture
employers? They lectured me for years,
lectured me so often what
were to before I asked for
But, I want
the they increase. going say joking that apart, I knew
more attention paid to management up
to works management level, or we shall
fall behind. We have had criticism about
handling this sudden development of
Governmental activity. the hon. Member
for Kidderminster was quite right-there
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is a great difficulty in building up supervision, getting managers, foremen, costings clerks and so on. In that respect the
handicap has been terrific. Such people
cannot be created in a moment. Opportunities have been provided at the tech-
nical schools, and I ask employers to
release their men to take advantage of
these new opportunities. To do so will
pay them a thousandfold. I should like
to see management become a profession.
I would like to see the old barriers broken
down, so that when a good trade unionist
who has the confidence of his fellows in
industry is to be promoted, he will not
be told that he has to leave his society
That places men in a terrible difficulty.
I would make a suggestion which would
help us for the rest of the war. I would
ask employers not to raise a barrier. Tell
such a man, if you like, that he must not
take part in his trade union activities, but
do not place him in the position of choosing whether he will be disloyal to his pals
or render service to you. Remember
that the man who has come upwards from
being a shop steward to taking responsibility has an urge within him for a place
in the sun and for taking responsibility
in industry. If industry is wise, it will
exploit that urge and develop it, and so
break down the barriers between the
management and the operative side in
this country. Indeed, if that is done, a
victory will have been won not only for
the war period, but for the rehabilitation
of industry after the war and for avoiding
many of the troubles that we might other-
wise have to face. I urge that there
should be a new and enlightened
approach to these problems of management in order to make an effective contribution to our effort at this moment.
I have been asked about the concen-
tration of industry. I will send my hon.
which he is
Friend which will correct the im-
too late to any
pression figures to-night has quote obtained, of but them. it
I will try to show what has been done in
that respect. There again, a new spirit
is coming. I will cite an example of one
great firm from which about 2,000 young
women can be released. Discussion took
place between the firm and my divisional
controller, and the firm is going to carry
on until I am ready to take those young
women one by one, two by two or by
dozens, and transfer them in an orderly
way. That is a great, patriotic and wise
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[Mr. Bevin.]
thing to do. The employer in that great
establishment says, For the rest of the
war I will retain every woman who is
not of the correct physical standard for
your factories, and I will take everyone
who falls ill and finds that she cannot
carry through. I will carry on the best
I can, and I will give you the best of
my staff for your great factories. Let
that spirit and example imbue others
throughout the country. In another
case, a firm saw the men, who were needed
to return to the mines, gave them a
gratuity and wished them well. It told
them that if they were not wanted, they
could come back again. It is not only
the Ministry of Labour that can do this
transferring. I want to get a co-operative will between employers and everybody in the country, to facilitate the work
of the officials of my Ministry, of whom
the State has a right to be proud. The
officials of the Ministry of Labour have
made no mean contribution to the war
effort and to the handling of the tremendous task which the Government impose
upon us.
If I might summarise, I would put the
matter a
it
my duty in few to simple keep the words. following I conceived objec-
tives in mind: the complete organisation
of labour for the service of the State:
transference of labour on a short-term
policy to meet immediate needs; buildingup of reserves by registration and otherwise for a long-term policy. I would say
to the hon. Member for Kidderminster
that I want to have more than a 25 per
cent. capacity in the kitty all the time,
so that when the last emergencies have to
be met, there is a last reserve of produc-
tion to carry them through. Therefore, I
want to keep that registration in reserve,
in advance of the defence and productive
plans, so as to avoid waiting for supplies.
I want to establish such conditions of employment as will give a sense of justice,
remove grievances and prevent disputes,
I want to prevent labour turnover, and
to provide the most effective methods of
transfer, to establish arbitration for the
settlement of differences, and to devise
such conditions as will preserve the morale
of our people and see this conflict
through.
All that is based on the conception that
this war is a people's war. I believe, and
I know from the information that comes
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to me, that the policy that has
in this
this applied to with labour country during been
war, great care and design,
produced
general
satisfaction
people of
Britain.
It has among
response and
amazing fidence from the in feeling brought COD. an
working
masses of the
has
mean to
United opinion contribution States, there, which and shaping represented public no
is reflected in their
attitude towards this country. It has
meant a great deal to the Russian masses,
and has countered the belief in their minds
that this was an Imperialist war. It has
in
we have
this last
industrial seeing brought the hope problems approach to millions during Europe, made year, who, to
see that we are not merely fighting to
overthrow Hitler, but that Britain is going
to take her place again in the vanguard
of social and economic progress; that we
are striving not merely to preserve
liberty, but to utilise all that it means to
lay the foundation of a more just age in
the upward progress of civilisation. That
is the great thing which has emerged from
this struggle and which has inspired our
inner workings. We declare that we will
carry on to the bitter end to remove the
Nazi regime and its spirit of aggression
and domination; we will weave into the
fabric of society the spirit of freedom and
equality for all. Where we have to give,
we will give generously; where we have to
win, we will win and make our victory
secure for future generations to enjoy.
Mr. Austin Hopkinson (Mossley):
think it is rather unfortunate that when
I
1371
this Debate was originated a fortnight ago,
it was held to be out of order to discuss
any questions of labour in connection with
production. However, that embargo has
now been removed, and I should like the
Committee to bear in mind that we in Parliament are not concerned with the faults
or follies of individual firms or of indivi-
dual workmen. I think, if I may say so,
that far too much attention has been paid
during this Debate to that side of the
question, which does not really concern
Parliament. What concerns Parliament
are Ministers' faults, and those troubles in
industry and failures of production which
have been due in to mistakes on
the of the Ministers In
the Debate I to
part previous any way endeavoured concerned.
point out that the last Minister of Aircraft
Production had made certain very grave
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Mr. Hopkinson: I have no wish to con-
mistakes, mistakes in many cases inherited
tinue this topic. There were various
from his predecessors, and by giving an
of one omission on their part, I
to get a new
the a corps
in to control the
that it should
Minister was example able promise be made from good. the
I
refer order to setting-up of design technical of aircraft. of
When we came to the question
labour, which, admittedly-becar it is
shutting our eyes to the fact-i
most unsatisfactory coun-
at the time, was out
try in no a use present state it forward in this ruled view
of
order. I began to put a
which it was impossible to enlarge upon
to that Ruling of the Chair. What
the was my
to
quoting upset owing something Minister which of of the Labour had A.E.U., been said who
me
by an official
remarked that there was a certain feeling
I
against unskilled labourers. That
described as snobbery, for snobbery it is,
although I justified it to some extent as
being based on pride in craftsmanship.
There was a great cry from above the
Gangway-
Mr. A. Bevan (Ebbw Vale): The hon.
Member did not call it snobbishness then.
Mr. Hopkinson: I did, and if the Com-
mittee insist upon it, I will quote my
actual words. I said:
It was unwise to put in charge of the
whole labour force of this country a man who.
the craftsmen say, is only an unskilled
labourer after all. Members may think that
the craftsman is a snob. So he is, but there
is something more than snobbery in his resentment at being dominated by the unskilled
labourer. Pride in craftsmanship may be
allied to snobbery, but it is one of the most
valuable things we have got in this country.
-[OFFICIAL REPORT, 9th July, 1941; col. 241.
Vol. 373.]
Mr. Bevan: You did not yourself des-
cribe it as snobbishness
Mr. Hopkinson: I said that the man
was a snob. What more the hon. Member wants than that, I do not know.
Mr. Bevan: You did not say that.
Mr. Hopkinson: When hon. Members
state what is not quite correct, and will
not be convinced when they get the actual
quotation, I cannot do more. I said-
Members may think that the craftsman
is snob."
I added So he is.'
Mr. Bevan: You did not say that
before.
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other points of the labour situation which
I wish to bring to the notice of the Com-
mittee with a view to getting them put
right. From the very start the A.E.U.
has been mishandled by successive
Governments. To go right back to the
summer of 1938, when times were becoming critical, it will be remembered
that the then Prime Minister sent for the
heads of the T.U.C., and told them
candidly the state of affairs and asked for
their assistance. But the heads of the
A.E.U. were told to see the Minister for
the Co-ordination of Defence. Everyone
who understands the A.E.U. knows that
the A.E.U. and the T.U.C. have been at
loggerheads from time immemorial Taking the T.U.C. to the Prime Minister and
the A.E.U. to the Minister for the Co.
ordination of Defence, started the whole
thing wrong. That is the sort of thing
we are entitled to criticise the Govern-
ment for doing. In the case of the
Minister of Labour himself-and I am
sorry to see he is not here-members of
the A.E.U. criticise him personally
and his actions in the past,
particularly his actions in respect of the
A.E.U. The A.E.U. know that the right
hon. Gentleman has been a notorious
poacher, and, therefore, he is not persona
grata with the A.E.U. The opinion of
the A.E.U. ought to be regarded in these
days, for they are the key to the whole
situation. I hope I have made it clear
that what I wanted to put forward to the
Committee, and what I now put forward,
is simply what a certain number of per-
fectly faithful and experienced trade
unionists are saying. I do not presume
to say whether they are right or not; but,
as a matter of practical politics, it is desirable that the views of a very important
class in the country should be put before
the Committee and before the Government.
To refer to the speech of the right hon.
Gentleman, there was one passage on
which I think I can correct him from experience. That was where he said that
the discipline of sacking was unneces-
in There, course,
nonsense.
sary was just industry. talking of The Commit- the he
tee knows that for the last 15 years
whole of the profits of my firm have gone
to the men I employ. But if the discipline
that can be imposed by sacking could not
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[Mr. Hopkinson.]
have been used in normal circumstances,
there would never have been any profits
for the men to take. That sort of talk
does immense harm. The Essential Work
Order, as other Members have said, is
wrecking the discipline of industry.
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Hitler uses propaganda as a very powerful
weapon,
we must a
are to stronger
weapon than and hiswe
if forge
his vision propaganda. and Our propaganda overcome lacks
imagination. This is
war; a war between
Cross
and ordinary evil, between it is the and good the no
Everyone knows that, in the engineering
Swastika. The occupied countries of
men are trustworthy. But, of course, as
Europe were not beaten so much on the
trade particularly, the majority of the
in every other section, not even excepting
the War Cabinet itself, there are people
whom you cannot trust, and without dis-
cipline you get nothing out of them.
What is so futile in these Debates is for
hon. Members above the gangway to get
up and talk as if there were nobody on
an income of less than £10,000 a year
who was deficient in industry or in patriotism. There are just as many loafers in
the lower ranks of industry as at the very
top-and I cannot say worse than that.
I shall go on as I am doing if, after
mature consideration, I come to the con-
clusion that there are Ministers of the
Crown who are really a danger to the
country in its present position. In that
case, I shall never scruple to get up here,
no matter what sort of row is kicked up
above the Gangway, and endeavour to get
those Ministers replaced by people who
will not wreck industry, as the Minister
of Labour is doing to-day.
Sir Waldron Smithers (Chislehurst): I
know it is unpopular to speak at this late
hour, but I have been here all day, and
there is one point I wish to make. It is
a point which has hardly been mentioned
all through the Debate, but I was de-
lighted to hear the Minister, in that fine
peroration, talking about assisting the
morale of the people. The hon. Member
for Chester-le-Street (Mr. Lawson) gave
field of battle or in the field of produc-
reason
so
nowarenot
tion; they were defeated morally, and the
valiantly why the is Russians because Hitler doing has
been able to break their morale.
The Chairman: That does not arise out
of the Vote before the Committee to-day.
Sir W. Smithers: We must do all we
can to mtaintain the morale of our people
and so get maximum production. To put
it at the lowest, do the people of this
country realise that if we lose this war
there will be no wages and no trade unions
and that we shall all be slaves?
Mr. Maxton (Glasgow, Bridgeton): And
no Stock Exchange.
Sir W. Smithers: Think of the effect 00
morale of the "V" campaign, which has
been electrical in its
The Chairman: I am sorry, but I must
remind the hon. Member that that is outside to-day's Vote.
Sir W. Smithers: Then I will say no
more, except that I am sorry it is not
recognised that the maintenance of the
morale of our people has the biggest effect
on the production of armaments.
team. Unless we mobilise and unite
Motion made, and Question, "That the
Chairman do report Progress, and ask
leave to sit again,' put, and agreed to.[Mr. Grimston.]
spiritual and moral forces with the same
faith and vision as we are mobilising the
upon the next Sitting Day
a remarkable example of team spirit when
he described how he once rode in a gun
Navy, the Air Force, the Army and in-
Committee report Progress; to sit again
dustry, we shall be fighting with one hand
tied behind our back. Did hon. Members
on de-
hear Mr. Harry Hopkins in
broadcast Sunday night? his After brilliant
The remaining Orders were read, and
postponed.
scribing all the material articles sent to
this country, he added a remarkable
sentence. He said:
The biggest job the President has done
has been to alter the industrial state of mind.
It isare.
the mind we have that makes the people
we
It being after the hour appointed for the
Adjournment of the House, Mr. DEPUTYSPEAKER adjourned the House, without
Question put, pursuant to the Standing
Order.