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SEFFICE OF

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON
STATE
ANT

CREAM

4-9-41-

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Sullivan

There is attached a schedule showing the salaries and representation allowances received and expenses claimed, as disclosed by an examination of certain available income tax returns
of the United States diplomats. The examination discloses that,
with one exception, representation expenses claimed as deductions
for income tax purposes have been itemized on the returns.

The Bureau in the audit of cases obtains a certificate from
the Secretary of State which discloses whether or not the representative is required to make expenditures falling within the
scope of Executive Order dated June 8, 1931, in his representative

capacity and for the benefit of the United States. Representa-

tion expenses incurred and deducted on returns filed are analyzed
in the audit of the cases before the conclusion has been reached
that they constitute ordinary and necessary business expenses deductible as such.
Except as noted in the attached schedule the amounts of the
representation expenses claimed on the income tax returns examined have been allowed as deductions.

Ths

SCHEDULE OF SALARY AND REPRESENTATION
ALLOWANCE AND EXPENSES OF UNITED STATES
DIPLOMATS

Representation Representation
Year

Name

1938 Harriman, Hon. Florence J.(Norway)
1939 Harriman, Hon. Florence J.(Norway)

Allowance
Reported

Salary

$ 1,500.00

$10,000.00
10,000.00
17,500.00
17,500.00

1,500.00
None

None

Included in
salary item

23,549.92
17,500.00
None

None

1938 Phillips, William (Italy)

17,500.00
10,000.00
10,000.00
10,000.00
17,500.00
17,500.00
17,500.00
17,500.00
17,500.00
15,414.20

3,220.19
1,085.08
1,539.79
1,987.01
2,360.46

1938 Locatelli, Ercole H. (San Marino)

1937 Atherton, Ray (Bulgaria)
1938 Atherton, Ray (Bulgaria)
1939 Atherton, Ray (Denmark)

1938 Johnson, Nelson T. (China)
1939 Johnson, Nelson T. (China)
1936 Bowers, Claude G. (Spain)

1937 Bowers, Claude G. (Spain)
1938 Bowers, Claude G. (Chile)
1939 Bowers, Claude G. (Chile)

-

$ 1,975.00
2,100.00(a)

None

1937 Davies, Joseph E. (Russia)
1938 Davies, Joseph E. (Belgium)

1,608.33

None

23,763.00
29,945.16
2,422.58
4,740.49
1,309.65
1,539.79
1,789.26
2,360.46

793.60

793.60

1,535.28

1,535.28
1,200.00

None
None

931.09

Expenses

Expenses
Claimed

8,585.94
6,740.17

None

1938 Grew, Joseph C. (Japan)
1939 Grow, Joseph C. (Japan)
1938 Daniels, Mr. and Mrs. Josephus (Mexico) 17,500.00
1939 Daniels, Mr. and Mrs. Josephus (Mexico) 17,642.08

Representation
Disallowed
$

None
None

600.00(b)
None
None
None
None

6,975.19(a)
1,886.58(d)
None
None
None
None

None
None

303.65(e)
None

None

None

931.09

None

(a) No analysis was submitted with respect to the representation expenses claimed as a deduction.
(b) This item represents salary paid to Mrs. Grew's personal maid, which was erroneously classified as
representation expense.

(c) The cost in the amount of $6,975.19 of the removal of furniture and personal effects from Moscow
to Brussels has been held to be personal expenses.
As a basis of settling the tax liability, the amount of $1,886.58 was disallowed as a deduction.
(d)
(e)

Since the evidence indicates that the taxpayer's representation expenses amounted to $1,231.63,
the amount claimed in excess of this amount was disallowed as a deduction.

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On 3/10/41 Mr. Sullivan at the 9:30 meeting
a the Secy he had prepared a one-page

statement on the subject matter of this
memo. The Secy told him to ask for an ap-

pointment and bring it in and explain it.
I checked with Sullivan's office today, and

Mr. Sullivan said he still had the memo and
was waiting for a chance to see the Secy.

pl

Mrs. McHugh

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March 6, 1941

John Sullivan
Secretary Morgenthan

Is there some special ruling on a law or something
which permits American diplomats to deduct in a lump sum

their expenses abroad from their income? Please be sure to
speak to no about it.

Discussed at 230 meeting
3/6/41-mill report further
Discussed at9:30 meeting

3/10/41 and told
Ombleine toak for affirth
and come in to talk
about it -

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CONFIDENTIAL
April 9, 1941.

MEDIORANDUM

TO:

Admiral Waesche,
Commandant, U. S. Coast Guard

FROM Mr. Gaston

Reference is made to your nemerandum of April 8, transmitting
with comment the request of the British Admiralty, through the
United States Naval Attache in London and the Chief of Operations,
United States Havy, that Coast Guard officers or enlisted persennal be available in the status of ship observers for approxinately six months aboard the outters to be turned over to the
British under the Lease-Land Act.
I have discussed this matter with Secretary Morgenthan and

he saye that it is clearly out of the question to have any Goest
Guard personnel aboard these shipe in any capacity after they
have been turned over to the British and are on active service.

There will be no objection to permitting personnel of the
Coast Guard to remain aboard the ships for advice and instruction
of the British officers and arows for a reasonable period after
the transfer but only so long as the ships remain in American

waters.

Gaston

NEG/mah

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THE COMMANDANT OF THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD
WASHINGTON

S-B-C-R-E-T

8 April 1941.

MEMORANDUM FOR - The Secretary of the Treasury

The following is quoted from a secret communication dated April 5th,

1941, from the Chief of Naval Operations to the Commandant of the Coast
Guard:

"The British Admiralty is also desirous of having Coast
Guard officers or enlisted personnel available in the status
of ship observers for approximately six months. Observers
should be thoroughly experienced with electrical installations
of the ships."
The policy as to whether or not Coast Guard personnel shall remain

on these vessels after they go into active service with the British Navy
is, of course, a matter for determination by higher authority, and there-

fore, the Commandant of the Coast Guard is expressing no opinion on this
point. However, it is believed desirable for the Commandant to advise the
Secretary as to the need of technical Coast Guard personnel on board these
vessels to insure a normal satisfactory operation of the machinery after

title is transferred to Great Britain.

The Commandant held a conference with officers at Coast Guard Headquarters

five of whom had been engineer officers on vessels of this type, and-four of
whom had been commanding officers. Two of these engineer officers were the
first chief engineers of two of the electric-drive cutters when they were
first commissioned.

The substance of the conclusions of this conference is as follows:

(1) That the machinery of these cutters is to a large extent foolproof and no more trouble should be expected to develop in the operation
of this machinery than in the operation of any other modern marine
propulsion equipment.

(2) That any trouble that might develop in the operation of the
machinery of these cutters would most likely be mechanical troubles the same as might develop on any other type of propulsion equipment.
(3) That an intensive training period of approximately two weeks to

in the interior waters of the United States should be sufficient
train the British crows in the operation of these ships.

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(4) That after this two weeks training period the assignment of
three or four key men to these vessels to serve with the British
while in active service for a period of three or four months would
probably be a desirable precaution but not necessary. Three of the
engineer officers above referred to stated that they would be satisfied to take these ships out without such key men. Two of these
officers stated that these key men would be very desirable.
(5) No member of the conference felt that any benefit would

result to the British in the operation of this machinery by keeping
observers on board for a pe riod of six months.

As a result of this conference the Commandant is of the opinion
that:

(1) Some benefit would result by keeping on board each vessel for a
period not exceeding three months a small group of observers, but that an

intensive training period of two-weeks should be sufficient for training

the new crows for the normal operation of the machinery of these vessels
without observers for an additional period.

(2) If an observers' party is left on board it should consist in

each case of the present engineer officer of the vessel and four chief petty
officers (artificer ratings) who should remain on board for a period not
exceeding three months.

R. R. WAESCHE.

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NAVY DEPARTMENT

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS
WASHINGTON

April 5, 1941

Op-23E-RSM

(SC)QS13/EF13

Serial 037523
SECRET

From:

Chief of Naval Operations.

To :

Commandant, U. S. Coast Guard.

SUBJECT: Transfer of ten Coast Guard vessels of the TAHOE Class to the
British.
1.

The Naval Attache' London has advised the Navy Department that the

Admiralty is desirous of obtaining the following concerning the subject vessels:
(a) By cable:

(1) Complements broken down into ratings with particular
emphasis on engineering branch.

(2) General description of machinery installation with
greatest detail concerning electrical installation,
(b) By airmail:

(1) Booklet plans or equivalent of tank capacities and
machinery arrangement.

2. The British Admiralty is also desirous of having Coast Guard
officers or enlisted personnel available in the status of ship observers for
approximately six months. Observers should be thoroughly experienced with

electrical installations of the ships.
3.

The Naval Attache' London has been informed that the above informa-

tion will be transmitted to the British Naval Attache' for further transmittal
to the Admiralty.

4. It is requested that the Commandant of the Coast Guard confer with

the British Naval Attache' in Washington concerning the foregoing.
/s/ R. H. ENGLISH,

By direction

5. The urgency of delivery of this document is such that it will not

reach the addressee in time by the next available officer courier. The originator
therefore authorises the transmission of this document by registered mail within
the continental limits of the United States.
Copy to:
Op-16.

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April 9, 1941
10:05 a.m.

Present:

Mr. Young
Mr. Cox

Mrs. Klotz

HM,Jr: If by Monday night the boys don't clear

it up for me, I want to write a letter to the President

along the lines that the President said he would give
us $25,000,000 out of the $7,000,000,000 for the ships.

And Harry hopkins said, "I will do it at ten o'clock

Thursday morning." He told me that Wednesday night.

Mr. Cox: I think, to avoid the kind of snarl

we got in before, what I would suggest is that Phil,
in his capacity as Chief Executive Officer of the

Lease-Lend, get up a request to the Budget and state

in the request that the President is agreeable to it,
or do it informally, and that Mr. Hopkins was, 80 that

puts the Budget where they have to do their talking before.

HM,Jr: Anyway, I don't expect to get the runaround from you two fellows. I am too smart!
Mr. Young: And we know it!

HM,Jr: Well, anyway, I want the $25,000,000
and I want It red, white and blue.

Mr. Cox: We can step in, in our capacity as
Treasury employees, and make it the first order of
business.

HM,Jr: And also, Mrs. Klotz, for Monday noon,

see if these fellows can't write this letter relieving

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me as of the 15th of March of all responsibility in
handling purchasing. Then I will take it and put it
on the President's desk Monday at lunch.

Mrs. Klotz: Again?

HM,Jr: I haven't done it yet. I have been
relying on Hopkins. If I can't get these two men to
do something on it between now and Monday, I will do
it myself. But I have to have a letter to sign, which

these men will write. We have gone through McReynolds

on it, too.

Mr. Young: Hopkins has the letter.

HM,Jr: If he won't do it by Monday noon, I will
just walk over there and the President will sign it.
Wasn't it good about the Danish ships?

Mr. Cox: Yes.
HM,Jr: Wonderful!

Mr. Cox: It would have been another week if you
had not got on the ball.
HM,Jr: I sicked Donovan on the Maritime Commission
on the 60 ships.
You have your machinery set up for Budget?

Mr. Cox: Yes.
HM,Jr: Good.

What did you do for yourself yesterday?

Cox: Nothing much. I am still working on the

shipping. We are getting up a new map, also some pro-

posals as to how the President can change the bombat and

other belligerent areas by proclamation.

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HM,Jr: That was all on the assumption you would

get some ships.

Mr. Cox: That's right. Another possibility on

the ships is what the British will do with the Norwegian

ships which have not been on the North Atlantic route.
Apparently the Far East and South America.

HM,Jr: You saw what Jerry Land said in his speech

last night. He didn't see any sense giving them any more
ships. They would only be sunk.
Mr. Cox: I think the next problem, which is much

more difficult, is integration of the flight delivery of
aircraft into the convoy system.
HM,Jr: What's that mean?

Mr. Cox: It means instead of just flying a plane

over with no armament, no bombs, as part of the delivery
you use it in convoy and get more of them delivered.
That's the advantage of the Greenland-Iceland thing and

the advantage of getting greater distribution of long range

and medium range bombers.

HM,Jr: You mean fly over the convoy?

Mr. Cox: Do part of the reconnaissance in spotting

submarines and also use them to put submarines out of com-

mission. One of the people up at the British Embassy
told me this. On one of these four-engine bombers which
was unarmed, it spotted two submarines and the submarines

ran, and this plane had nothing on it, no arms or bombs;
nothing.

HM,Jr: And if it was armed it could have dropped

a depth bomb.

Mr. Cox: Yes. It's a possibility which I think

is worth exploring.

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HM,Jr:

Oh, sure! You know, I am waiting on
you (Mr. Young) for delivery on those things. Did
you ask for them?

Mr. Young: I have asked the British. Guess I

had

better ask the Army. Maybe I can get the answer

quicker.

On Treasury Procurement, Cliff Mack is doing a
swell job in getting into shape requirements for Yugo-

slavia and Greece. I am getting Cliff Mack's survey
0. K'd, passed by the British today, before we send it

over to Budget and get an allotment of money, because
we have adopted the general policy on these smaller

British allies, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Turks,
the Yugoslavians, that we will not accept a requisition
direct from the country unless it is passed on by the
British.

HM,Jr: How about the $2,200,000 we sent over to

Mack. What's happened to that? He was told to go
ahead

and

buy. The first order.

I will ask him. (Placed phone call for Mr. Mack.)
Mr. Young: The original idea was to do all this
stuff directly through the British and then it was decided
to salve diplomatic feelings to let the companies put in
requisitions and have them countersigned by the British.

(At this point the Secretary spoke to Mr. Mack
and record of their conversation follows this page.)

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April 9, 1941
10:09 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Mack.

Clifton
Mack:

H.M.Jr:

Yes, sir.
Good morning. Mack, on that original
order which you got to buy $2,290 odd
thousand for the British - the Army asked

you to buy that for them - the first
order I saw.

M:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Have you gone ahead with that?

M:

Yes, sir, we have.

H.M.Jr:

How much of that have you placed?

M:

We have placed about $700,000 and the

others are in the process of final

negotiation and will be completed very

readily, that is, within the next - we
hope that practically all of that will
be completed by the end of the week.

H.M.Jr:

M:

H.M.Jr:
M:

I hope so. Did you get a clearance on

the balance of around $90,000 that they
hadn't cleared?
We have that now.

Now, have you got anything else to work
on when you're through with this this week?
Yes, sir, we have. We have the Greek and
Yugoslav list and those are quite sub-

stantial.

H.M.Jr:
M:

How much do they amount to?

Well, now, the quantities that they want
for immediate delivery would be on the
Greek list - just a moment please - on

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the Greek list it will be approximately
$5 million. That's within the next couple
of weeks, and on the Yugoslav list, that
would run about $750,000.

H.M.Jr:

M:

Now, does this come the way the other does?

Are you doing this at the request of the
Army or are you getting it directly from
I'm getting this directly from Budget.
That is, on the Yugoslav and Greek list
Phil Young 18 going to Budget today, I
understand. He evidently had some talk
with them yesterday.

H.M.Jr:

He'8 sitting here with me and he's listening.

His face is so I can't tell anything by his
face.

M:

(Laughs). Well, now, evidently or rather

presumably we'll get a clearance from
Budget today to go ahead and make commitments for these Greek and Yugoslav requirements.

H.M.Jr:

Well, let me ask Phil. (Talks aside).

M:

Splendid, and as soon as we get word that

He hopes to do something this morning.

the funds are available, we'll go ahead

immediately on the Greek and Yugoslav

list.
H.M.Jr:

Clif, I'm going to try five days a week
until further notice to call you up around between 10:00 and 10:15, 80 you might have

your stuff on your desk ready for me.
M:

H.M.Jr:

I'11 do that and that's fine.
I mean I'll try to call you every morning
until this thing gets going around this
time.

M:

All right, sir.

H.M.Jr:

O.K. If you get in any trouble don't wait
until I hear about it from somebody else.

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-3M:

No, I sure won't.

H.M.Jr:

Come and see papa first.

M:

(Laughs). Thank you.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

M:

Good-bye.

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HM,Jr: All right, gents.
00o-00o

Class is dismissed.

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April 9, 1941

10:15 a.m.
RE BANK HOLDING LEGISLATION

Present:

Mr. Delano
Mr. Upham

Mr. Williams
Mr. Foley

Mr. Bell

Mr. Sherbondy

Mr. O'Connell
Mr. Kuhn

Delano:

Mr. Secretary, I don't think you have met
Mr. Williams. He is our expert from the
Pacific Coast.

H.M.Jr:

Hello, Cy.

Upham:

Good morning.

H.M.Jr:

I haven't seen you (Sherbondy) for some
time. You have been out on the West Coast
have you? Has everybody read this?

Bell:

I haven't. I have just started.

Foley:

How do you want to do it, Mr. Secretary?
Do you want to read it aloud?

H.M.Jr:

I don't want to read it. If somebody could
read it.

Foley:

All right, I will read it. The memorandum
on top is merely a discussion of plans for
the hearing and the parts different people

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would play. That we can leave until after-

ward.
H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Foley:

Before we start, I want to say that so far

as the examples of situations where the small
bank has been driven out of the community by
the holding company, the examples that the
Comptroller's office gave us were in connection
with the bank of America, and in those
instances the answer, the complete answer,

is that we didn't have to grant a license

to open the branch and you don't need the
holding company bill to prevent expansions
of that character. So we have summarized,

rather than reciting, individual cases of
that character.

H.M.Jr:

Well, are you perfectly sure on the law that
he has the right to reject?

Foley:

There is no question about that.

Delano:

Since we have been there, Cy and myself,
there haven't been any granted and they
haven't slowed up this expansion program.

H.M.Jr:

No branches?

Upham:

None to the Bank of America.

Foley:

And Downey, of course, is on this committee
and Downey will represent the interests of

the State of California.

I think you have to face squarely when you
appear before the committee the responsi-

bility for the Comptroller's office under the

previous Comptroller, and I think we will

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-3 just have to say that we are making no
excuses for that, that we found out what
was going on and changed Comptrollers and
we have got a Comptroller there now who

hasn't granted a single branch for this
kind of thing.

H.M.Jr:

For the benefit of the California citizen,

we can say, "Two Whites don't make a wrong."
(Laughter)

Don't they ever talk like that back in your
office?

Upham:

Worse than that.

Delano:

You understand what Mr. Foley means,

Mr. Secretary, when he ways that there

is complete discretion in the Comptroller's
office about these things.

H.M.Jr:

I know it. We have always been explained

with this thing. How in the hell are we

going to explain that they ever opened the
damn bank in '33?

Foley:

That is right. You can't excuse or defend

what was done from '33 forward until you
took some action in respect of the Comptroller's

office, and I don't think you can go down there

and defend it. I think you will have to write
that off at the beginning.

H.M.Jr:

I know. We have been through that. That is
the thing that they have always held up to
time I have started on this thing.
said, "Well, I won't
but we will go forward anyway.
time I get kind of weak-kneed

me it," I have every always about defend it, Every Cy

Upham comes along and urges me to go along.
(Laughter)

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You (Upham) can't shake the responsibility

for this.

Upham:

Well, you are not weak-kneed at the moment,

so I don't need to urge you.

H.M.Jr:

Are you? (Laughter) No, my knees are all
right.

Bell:

Do you want to stop as you go through?

H.M.Jr:

Sure.

Foley:

Sure, because this is obviously only a first
attempt, and you will want to make a lot of
changes.

Bell:

I thought he might want to read it through
and then go back.

Foley:

"The bill under consideration is designed
to curb the extent to which banks insured
by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
may be controlled by holding companies. At
present the activities of such holding companies are almost wholly unrestricted.
There is power in the Federal Reserve, but
it has never been exercised.

Bell:

It isn't effective. It is ineffective.

Foley:

Ineffective or hasn't been used.

"In brief the bill, which would be administered
by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation,

to own or more

10 cent of the voting any

would for per any make company it unlawful, after control stock June of 30, bank 1944, than

insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance

Corporation, or to control in any manner the

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-5management or policies of an insured bank.
The bill also would confer upon the Comp-

troller of the Currency, with respect to

national banks, and the Federal Deposit
Insurance Corporation, with respect to other

insured banks, the authority to veto the

payment of excessive dividends by insured
banks.

"I favor the enactment of the measure. Its
purpose is to protect and safeguard the

banking structure which has been strengthened

during the past eight years by the patient
efforts of bankers and government alike.

Today bankers are cooperating wholeheartedly

in the national defense program. It is be-

cause I want to help bankers and protect bank

depositers, especially in the small local banks,

that I favor legislation to deal with the bank

holding company problem. To my mind, holding
company domination is a serious menace to our

banking structure."

H.M.Jr:

Just in line with that, I want to protect
the bank depositors first and the bankers
second.

Foley:

Right.

"I do not intend to burden you with an
involved discussion of the evils inherent
in holding company control of banks. In
there is no necessity for a mass

or for extended on

this committee. A part

my of subject opinion testimony by hearings substantial committee that

of the very excellent report of your
at the close of its stock exchange investi-

gation was devoted to the bank holding problem."
Bell:

Right there I wonder if you want to tell

the committee there is no necessity for a

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-6mass of testimony? That is really a matter
for them to decide. You can say that they
are thoroughly familiar with it as they have
rendered a very complete report on it. Don't
you think so?

H.M.Jr:

Another point, a lot of people on that

Foley:

That is true.

H.M.Jr:

I would - I think Dan has got a good point.

Foley:

All right.

committee want their say, too.

I would put a question mark after that. I
think that is a good point.
"This morning, I want to discuss briefly,

some of the abuses in the operations of bank
holding companies as disclosed by that report

and, perhaps, bring to your attention further
abuses not taken up at that time.
"One of the greatest dangers involved in the
expansion of bank holding companies is the

resulting monopolistic trend in the banking

field. Monoply in banking is just as vicious

and just as antagonistic to our free democratic

order as it is in fields of steel, oil, or

aluminum. The small unit banker needs protection against monopoly just as much as the
small manufacturer.

Bell:

And other fields. Does the Secretary of the
Treasury want to point out the industries in
which there are monopolies, or just say, "in
other fields"?

H.M.Jr:

I don't know. I would question it.

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7Foley:

"Our records disclose several instances in

which a holding company has threatened to

establish a branch of one of its captive

banks to compete with a small, independent

institution, unless the independent bank sold
out to the holding company.

H.M.Jr:

Is that word "captive" bank, is that a
recognized term?

Upham:

It is new to me. Does that come from the

utility field?
Sherbondy: Utility field.
O'Connell:

I don't know where it comes from. It seems
to me to pretty well describe what a bank
is in a holding company set-up. You use the

word "captive" mines in the coal field.
H.M.Jr:

I like it, but I just never heard it.

Upham:

I never did either.

H.M.Jr:

Do you like it?

Foley:

It is all right, yes.
I think it is journalistic jargon, but I

O'Connell:

I thought so, too. (Laughter)

H.M.Jr:

It is all right. It is just new.

Foley:

"In this connection the statement of the

Upham:

think it is a descriptive word.

president of a small independent bank, taken

from our files, is pertinent. He said, ****

it now appears that a move is being made to

attempt to scare us into selling out against
our own wishes, or the alternative, to be

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-8obliged to compete with this bank in a
branch to be established here if a charter
can be procured.' , If

Bell:

You usually put a footnote, don't you, of

O'Connell:

Well, it is taken from the files.

Upham:

Give the name of the banker?

Bell:

Yes, in the footnote. (Laughter)

Foley:

"A manufacturer in the same community wrote,

where your quote is taken from?

'There is a feeling in all classes that the
petition of the large branch banking institution for a branch in this city is a 'squeeze'
play calculated to force the sale of our own
independent bank. , If

"After a bank has been absorbed into a holding
company system, it is exposed to the danger of

intragroup deals at fictitious values. This

is self-dealing. It is the typical holding

company practice with which the public became
familiar in the Ivar Kreuger and McKesson &
Robbins cases."
Bell:

I raised the question that McKesson & Robbins
is not a holding company.

H.M.Jr:

How about Associated Gas and the one in

Chicago? What is that?
O'Connell:

Insull, Samuel Insull.

H.M.Jr:

Why not instead of using that, use Insull
and Associated Gas?

Foley:

O.K. All right.

H.M.Jr:

All right?

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Yes.

"It is particularly important that banks

and their depositors __"
H.M.Jr:

The State Department would object to using
a Swede right now. (Laughter)

Foley:

It might have retaliatory effect.
"It is particularly important that banks and
their depositors be protected against it.

When a bank is in a holding company system,

it is frequently used to keep afloat the weak
affiliated enterprises of the holding company.
This is done by dumping into the captive bank,
depreciated real estate or other assets of af-

filiates. The bank is forced by the holding
company to pay fictitious prices for these
assets in order to bail out the affiliates.
"The bank holding company tends to drain the

resources of the banks in the system in order
to maintain the dividend policy of the holding

company. The maintenance of the market value

of its stock is fundamental to the continued

prestige and growth of a bank holding company.

The value of that stock depends primarily

upon the dividends paid by the holding company,
which in turn are made up from dividends paid
to the holding company by its subsidiary banks.
The result is that the bank holding company is
frequently so much concerned with maintaining
an undiminished flow of dividends from its

controlled banks, that it is unwilling to

recognize the dangerous effect of an excessive
dividend policy upon the soundness of the
banks. The investigation of your Committee
disclosed documentary evidence of the strong
pressure by holding companies in Detroit to
compel controlled banks to pay dividends in

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- 10 excess of the amounts deemed advisable by

the bank directors. Ever since 1933 the
office of the Comptroller of the Currency

has endeavored to persuade one large national
bank controlled by a holding company group

to reduce its dividend rate. Instead the

dividend rate has steadily increased from

6% to approximately 20% at the present time.

"The complicated structure of a bank holding
company system is a constant temptation to
evasion and circumvention of the banking
laws. Several years ago the national bank
examiners directed a large national bank
controlled by a holding company to charge off
some $35,000,000 of bad assets. Such a charge
off by the bank probably would have necessitated
suspension of dividends by the bank to the

holding company. To avoid this possibility,
the bank entered into a series of unjustifiable
inter company deals. Instead of charging off

the $35,000,000 of assets, the bank turned
them over to an affiliated company, which promised

to pay the bank $35,000,000. This deal left
the affiliated company holding the bag. To

rescue the company, the bank deliberately wrote
up the value of its bonds by $14,000,000 -- a
purely paper transaction. The bank then credited
this pumped up $14,000,000 against the $35,000,000

owed by the affiliate, in effect excusing that

much of the debt. Thus the holding company

forced the bank into a series of devious, unsound deals in order to keep the dividends
flowing to the holding company."

H.M.Jr:

That so far is good. The "bank then credited
this pumped up. Something else.

Foley:

Inflated?

H.M.Jr:

All right. Better use some other word.

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- 11 Foley:

This fourteen million dollar write-up.

Kuhn:

Yes. Inflated, swollen --

H.M.Jr:

Something.

Foley:

Watered.

Sherbondy:

How about the words, "fictitious amount"?

H.M.Jr:

It is easy. Go ahead.

Foley:

"Your Committee reported that certain of the
bank holding companies investigated deliberately
prepared their statements and reports in such
a form as to misrepresent the real condition
of their controlled banks. The experience of
the office of the Comptroller of the Currency
has shown that the structure of some bank
holding companies is so confusing that adequate
examination and supervision of the national
banks controlled by such companies is at times

all but impossible.

"One of the prevalent methods of misusing the
funds of a bank controlled by a holding company

is to force the bank to lend money to the

holding company or to make loans on stock of
the holding company. One of the easiest ways
for the holding company to maintain the market

price of its stock is to have the bank lend

money to friendly persons so that they can buy
the holding company's stock.

H.M.Jr:

You don't want to give that example of the

Half Moon -Foley:

Paganucci?

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- 12 H.M.Jr:

And he had to buy this stuff.

Foley:

We thought about using it, Mr. Secretary,

but that came from the SEC and didn't come

from us, and the only thing that we have
in our files on that is a memorandum of a
conference at your house back in '38 attended
by Chester Lane and Clarence Opper and other

people from the SEC, so we don't have that

deal in our files, you see. It is only a

second-hand reproduction of the deal that

we have.
H.M.Jr:

Well, we made our files available to them.
Is there any reason they shouldn't make

theirs available to us? But you don't think

it is necessary?
Foley:

We can reconsider it, but we didn't put it
in here because of that fact.

H.M.Jr:

Supposing they say, "Give us an example."

Foley:

We have got an example.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

Foley:

"For example, the former National Bank of
Kentucky loaned approximately $5,800,000 of

its funds on stock of the holding company
which controlled the bank. When the holding company collapsed the bank suffered a

loss of almost $2,000,000 on those loans."
And that gets it away from the Trans-America

thing and gets it on to another holding
company.

H.M.Jr:

That is right.

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"Although existing law restricts loans by

member banks of the Federal Reserve System

to executive officers of such banks, the
spirit of the law is frequently circumvented
by loans made to officers and directors of
bank holding companies or affiliated interests.
I have in mind an officer of a corporation

affiliated with a bank holding company who
had inadequately secured loans of over
$7,000,000 outstanding at one time from a
bank controlled by the holding company."

That is the A. 0. Stewart situation.
H.M.Jr:

You don't want to say, "At the time he was
Chairman of the Federal Reserve at San

Francisco"?
Foley:

That is bringing in another fight.

H.M.Jr:

I have got to brush up a little bit on this
stuff, but I remember most of it.

Foley:

"The fact that bank holding companies list
their stocks on national exchanges is an
ever-present menace to the banks controlled
by the holding companies. Declines in the
market price of the holding company stock

affect the public confidence, not only in
the holding company, 'as a distinct entity

but in each and every banking unit of the
whole, regardless of its own inherent soundness. (page 284)
"Strong banks in a holding company group
are often endangered by weak banks. As your

Committee succinctly expressed this criticism:
"The most patent deficiency in group banking

is that the group is only as strong as its

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weakest unit. # # # When the shock of
adversity * * * dislodges confidence in
any one of the units, the entire structure
is destined to collapse. Unit banks which

might otherwise have survived are doomed

because of their affiliation in the public

mind with the weaker units.'

"After its careful investigation this Com-

mittee concluded that:

* * Little justification, economic

or social, exists for the holding company

as presently constituted and conducted.

Holding companies, whether employed in the

banking, public utility, or railroad field,

have been catastrophic to the American

public.' (page 382)

"The intensive investigation made by this
Committee in 1934 and the very positive
condemnation of holding companies by your
Committee in its monumental report, show

that legislation is needed to end the domi-

nation of insured banks by holding companies.
And nothing has happened to diminish the need.
In fact our experience in more recent years

will, I believe, lend additional support to
that proposition.

"The impelling necessity for bank holding

company legislation was made increasingly

clear as a result of recent difficulties
which the office of the Comptroller of the
Currency, in cooperation with the other

Federal bank supervising agencies, encount-

ered in the examination and supervision of
one of the largest national banks, which is
a unit in a complicated holding company
system. I refer to Transamerica Corpora-

tion and its relationship with the Bank of

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America. In that case, the value of the

holding company stock depended to a marked
degree upon the dividends paid by the bank
to the holding company and many of the

financial transactions of the holding

company group involved the questionable use

of funds obtained from the bank."

H.M.Jr:

I will come back. We want to think carefully
That is the first time you have done it.

whether we want to say that and name names.
Foley:

That is the first time we have named them.

H.M.Jr:

I just wonder whether you want to do that.

Foley:

"The bank, under the domination of the holding company group, refused to follow recommendations and directions of the Comptroller

of the Currency to reduce its excessive dividend rate, improve its capital position,
charge off certain losses set up by the
national bank examiners, drastically reduce
excessive loans to the holding company--"

H.M.Jr:

Just a second. Rewrite that page so I can

have it without naming the names and see

how it looks. I would much rather say,
"Well, I don't know whether I ought to tell

you. "Well, we want to know." "Well, I
don't know." All right. Then reluctantly
I tell them.

Foley:

O.K. We can do that.

Bell:

Reluctantly?

H.M.Jr:

Reluctantly.

Kuhn:

They would ask you anyway, wouldn't they?

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- 16 Upham:

Oh, they will know anyway.

Foley:

Most of the men there will know.

H.M.Jr:

I thinkit.we should put up a little fight
about

Kuhn:

You can make sure that they will ask.

Bell:

Well, I don't think you ought to mention it
at this time. I don't know, you may have

repercussions in the attempt of the Securities
and Exchange Commission to settle their differences with them.

H.M.Jr:

Are they settling them?

Bell:

I understood they were trying to.

Foley:

I think that they will approve this. We will
clear it with them first before you do it.

H.M.Jr:

My own first reaction is to tell the story
and don't mention the names. I think it is

just as effective, and if they want to know
the names, we can tell them. It puts it on

a higher plane.
Foley:

"

....

holding company and affiliated and

allied interests, eliminate excessive real

estate holdings, and take other steps considered by the Comptroller of the Currency
as necessary to protect the soundness and

stability of the bank.

"Some of the sanctions given the Comptroller

of the Currency under existing legislation

are so weak that their use would have been

ineffective, while others are so drastic

that their use might have done excessive

injury to the bank. Consequently, for approximately three years a tug of war went on

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- 17 between the bank on the one hand and the

office of the Comptroller of the Currency

and the other regulatory agencies on the

other. Finally, as a result of constant

pressure over those three-years, the bank
agreed to make a number of the changes

insisted upon by the Comptroller of the
Currency, although it did not agree to any

reduction in its dividend rate of 19.2 percent. Although it is believed that the
changes agreed to by the bank, if faithfully
carried out, will greatly benefit the bank,

it is probable that the continued domination of the bank by the holding company group

will lead to further difficulties.

"It is potentially dangerous, when the future
of some of the largest banks in the country,
as well as thousands of small banks, is
tied to the career of a few holding companies.
Banks are established, not to--"
H.M.Jr:

Excuse me again. On the bottom of page 11.

I would rather leave it saying that we have

done this and up to now they have been a

good boy, that idea, and not say, "The holding company group will lead to further dif-

Foley:

ficulties. I don't want to say that.
All right.

H.M.Jr:

I mean, everybody has agreed that for the last
three months or so they have--

Delano:

Yes, they have improved the bank.

H.M.Jr:

They have improved the bank, and I don't

think this will weaken it. I will have some
other suggestions to make. But that thing

of leading to further difficulties, I don't

want to leave that tone. I would much rather

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- 18 say, "We have done all this, and we find
recently they have been cooperating."
Delano.

You do understand there is one point that is

still left out there, and that is in the

process of being settled, but it is not
settled yet.
H.M.Jr:

If you want to say, "Not all of our difficulties are settled." But I don't want to
say, "Well, now, we have done all this I don't want him to say that we have done
all this and Morgenthau is forecasting, and
he will say, "We have tried. No matter
"

what we do, it will lead to difficulties."
I think it puts me in a weak position. I

would rather lean on the side of saying
something a little bit too nice about him,
than to give him a chance to say - grab that
sentence, "No matter what I do for that soand-so, we can't settle it." And I have got
an interesting thing to suggest there. Why
is he coming up if he thinks he is such a

swell guy - if you read his history, it

doesn't leave any doubt, but I don't want
to say, "No matter what he does, the fellow

isn't going to be good." That is what I

think, but I don't want to say it in writing.

Upham:

I think that whole last sentence ought to

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Bell:

You can say, "The changes made have greatly
improved the banks."

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Foley:

But the dividend rate hasn't been reduced.

come out of there.

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- 19 H.M.Jr:

Don't you think it has, Cy?

Upham:

Well, greatly. They have more capital, yes.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I think we ought to leave it on this

They have better protection.

tone, that the situation has improved, has
steadily improved, say for the last three
months or last six months.

Foley:

That the dividend rate hasn't been reduced,

and that still ties in with what you have

already said.
H.M.Jr:

That is all right, isn't it, but the dividend
rate hasn't been reduced and certain other

difficulties have not been eliminated?

Delano:

I just wanted to mention that one so you
would be clear.

H.M.Jr:

That is right, and certain other difficulties

have not been cleared up, but there has been
an improvement.

Delano:

Very definitely.

Kuhn:

You could say, "In any case, it is potentially
dangerous when these banks are tied up this

way.
H.M.Jr:

Not there. I have got an idea on that which

I want to give later.

Foley:

"Banks are established, not to nurture holding
companies, but to serve the depositors and
the general public. The Federal Government,
as charterer, examiner, and supervisor of
banks, has the responsibility of taking every
possible
step to assure the soundness of such
banks."

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- 20 Bell:

Assure?

Sherbondy:

I wondered whether the Secretary ought to
say that the Government was an assurer.

Upham:

I am responsible for that. It is theoreti-

Foley:

I think that is all right.

H.M.Jr:

You fellows settle that.

Foley:

cally assured. The banks are assessed.

"The various agencies intrusted by Congress

with that responsibility cannot function

effectively unless Congress enacts legislation conferring adequate powers upon such

agencies.

"In 1938 an interdepartmental committee com-

posed of representatives of the Board of

Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and the
Treasury Department gave considerable attention to the bank holding company problem and
reached the unanimous conclusion that the
operations of bank holding companies should

not be allowed to expand, that the principle
of bank holding companies is not in the best
interests of the country and that something
should be done about them. The opinion of

that committee was communicated to the

President. Shortly, thereafter, in his message to Congress, on April 29, 1938, the

President recommended the enactment of bank

holding company legislation in the following language:

H.M.Jr:

You can skip that language.

Foley:

All right.

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- 21 Foley:

"That was almost three years ago. Congress

has not yet taken any action to deal with
the problem. The bill under discussion

carries out the President's recommendations.
"Some may assert that during the present

crisis, when our energies are centered primarily on matters of national defense, we
have no time to deal with problems essentially
domestic or to worry about internal reforms.
But unhappy events abroad have made it

abundantly clear that a nation is likely to

collapse from weaknesses in its internal
social and economic structure as it is from
external forces. Whether the democratic
form of government will survive depends to

a large degree upon its ability, during
national and international crises, to continue to protect the lives, the rights and

the interests of its citizens, not only

against oppression from abroad, but against
oppression from within. Domination by economic

or financial oligarchies such as bank holding companies, is in some respects just as

undemocratic and oppressive as domination by

a totalitarian government."

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- 22 H.M.Jr:

That is our lead. I want to start off with
that. I want to start, you see, with this, and
then I want to say this, so that the entire
thing isn't on Congress. I want to say this,
and then I next want to start with this thing
here. "Some may assert." But certainly this
last page comes first. Then I want to say,

pick up some sentence from this report and say,
Eight years have passed since this Committee
made a very magnificent and comprehensive and

intelligent and so forth and so on report, and
I, as Secretary of the Treasury, assume part of
the blame, if there is to be any blame, that

I haven't pressed for this legislation harder

than I have," you see, "and from the day that
this report was written, down to 1938 when the

President set up this thing in April, '38, no
action was taken by either end of the Avenue,

but on April 29, '38, the President did send
the following message, and from that day to this
nothing has happened, and therefore I am here
today to remind the Congress that three years
have passed since the President sent this mess-

age, and while I realize that no time is a good

time for a thing like this" - I mean, that is

what people say - this is the thought that you

haven't got. The reason why I think it is a
good time is because our banking structure is

stronger today than it has ever been in the last
ten years, and that is the time to make --"

Foley:

"The improvements."

H.M.Jr:

"the improvements and not to wait until we
are faced with economic reconstruction, and then

all of these things, these defects in our banking system, become of major importance, and I

grant that they are not of major importance now,

but this is the time, in good times, to do it and

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not to wait until we have an economic collapse."
Do you see? I want to stress that.
"And it is time now to prepare toward the day
spending these billions for the national defense, and the strain will again be on our
banking system for the readjustment period, and
therefore I come to you today," - I want to
stress this - "when the banking system is the
best it has ever been, and I don't want to

when there may be peace and when we won't be

wait until this terrific strain is again thrown
on it and the Comptroller's office is faced
with a rule to regulate these things, and he
hasn't got the power to tell a fellow not to
pay the dividends."

That is the thing which is missing which I want

to get in, and I would like to get that in at

the beginning and then sum up again on that same

tone at the end. What do you think?

Delano:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

You see. Why do it now? Well, the reason we are
doing it now is "because the banking structure is
in the best shape it has ever been, but we can
see the day where you will again be forced, as
you were in '32 and '33, and you haven't got the

instruments of control to work with. The time to
do it is in good times and not in bad times.

That is the thing which is missing. Ferdie, do
you like it?
Kuhn:

Sure.

H.M.Jr:

What do you think?

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Upham:

There is one way in which you will have to

modify that. After that 1934 report, of

course, the Congress did pass bank-holding

company legislation, in the Banking Act of
1935, which I think was considered by the
Inter-departmental Banking Committee and

approved. Of course, that hasn't been effec-

tive, but we can't say that they didn't do -

that neither end of the Avenue did anything.
H.M.Jr:

Well, make my statement technically correct,

but it is the tone which I want to get, you

see. "Why does Morgenthau come up here when

we are all worrying about national defense and

talk about - and annoy us with a thing like

this," you see, "why does he annoy us with a

thing like this?"

Well, the thing is that I am a hundred percent

sincere that the time to correct evils is in
good times, not to wait until the thing has

crashed and have an investigation as to why we

had the crash. I want to drive home the point.
The time to do it is when things are good.
Dan?

Bell:

I agree.

H.M.Jr:

And not sit around, and the one other thing
which I want to see, I would like a reference.
You have got certain controls with the Federal

Reserve Board which they haven't used. Are you

going to leave those there? Aren't you going
to point out something about that? I am not
conscious that you point out the fact that they
have got this licensing control.

Delano:

They have got voting permits.

H.M.Jr:

I don't see why we don't point it out.

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Bell:

That is on new organizations.

Foley:

Any holding company, in order to vote the stock

Bell:

I am not familiar with the law, but I thought
that they took action under that. Have they

of its affiliate.

got any power to undo it?
Foley:

Sure, they can undo it now. They were granted

this kind of license a long time ago, and they
are operating under that license.

Delano:

That is one of the contingents that he made about

H.M.Jr:

Haven't I put my finger on something that is
not included in here?

Foley:

Yes, if you want to make an attack on the Federal

this situation.

Reserve Board.

H.M.Jr:

You put those things so crudely. (Laughter.)
I just want to enlighten Congress.

Upham:

This legislation will nullify that whole voting

permit system.
H.M.Jr:

I think that should be pointed out. Here is the
thing that is running through my mind. The

Federal Reserve come up. Let's say they are
stupid enough to oppose this. Well, why do they
oppose it? Well, we pointed out why. They have

had this thing, they could have done this thing,
they didn't do anything about it. They have had
eight years to do it. They had A.O. Stewart as

Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, and these

fellows have had this thing, and they could have

controlled it at any time, and they didn't do
it. Therefore, we think after eight years - when

were they given it?

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H.M.Jr:

'thirty-five.
They have had six years to do this thing. They

haven't done anything. Now we want that power
given to the FDIC and the Comptroller's Office,
but I think mention should be made so that when
the Fed comes up they will say, "Oh, well, they

are just - that is sour grapes," you see. "Morgenthau said they could have done it for six
years, and they didn't."
I think it ought to be worked in in a very nice,

genteel manner. What?
Delano:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Why do you want this? "If the Federal Reserve

did a good job," You have just got to point out
that they have had this authority for six years
and didn't do anything with it. See what you can

do with it, will you?
Delano:

Yes. I was thinking about the question of what
sort of power they really had and how they applied

it. If you want to look into that a little bit.

The thing was pretty much - the power - was it a
strong power that they had?

Upham:

Delano:
Upham:

H.M.Jr:

Oh, I think so, yes.
You mean the power to deny voting permits?

I think so.
Remember when we sat up nights on that, Cy?

Upham:

Yes.
Plenty authority in the law, don't you
think?

Sherbondy:

Yes. It is poor administration.

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H.M.Jr:

Let's look into that. Outside of that, I can't
think
of anything. It is a perfectly swell
statement.

Upham:

Of course, they are about to spring a suprise on

us. They are just about to hold officially that
Trans-America
is a holding company affiliate of
the Bank of America.

H.M.Jr:

Who is "they?"

Upham:

Federal Reserve Board. You see, that has been

in dispute for several years and --

Foley:
Upham:

Maybe this will bring it about.

I think they are right on the point of holding

that officially, and then Trans-America will have

to get one of these holding company permits,

and if we do this, they will immediately get
very firm.

H.M.Jr:

Well, what is my object? My object is good
administration of the banking system.

Upham:

That is right.

H.M.Jr:

That is what I want. And if, somehow or other,
they have heard of this and this forces their
hand, what the hell?

Foley:

When do you want to see us again?

H.M.Jr:

We will just find out.

Foley:

Barkley is away. He is down in Miami, Palm

Beach, or somewhere.
H.M.Jr:

We will let Glass handle this. Now, have you
thought over how we will do this?

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Foley:

That
tary. is that memorandum on the top, Mr. Secre-

H.M.Jr:

Is it the Comptroller, Crowley and I?

Delano:

Yes. The question is whether we would employ
some other testimony.

H.M.Jr:

I don't know. I think by the time that Crowley
and Delano and I talk, I think that is enough.

Foley:

That is what we think.

H.M.Jr:

It will lose its effect.

Foley:

Yes. Somebody will have to tell the story of

the Bank of America, because that will come out

whether you say it directly or wait for them to
bring it out in their questions. Whoever is the
best fellow in the Comptroller's Office to do it,
it ought to be somebody who actually made the
examination and who has personal knowledge of the

transactions and can talk with ease and with -Delano:

We have a man.

H.M.Jr:

Who would that be?

Delano:

It would be either Mr. Sedlacek or Mr. Williams.
They will be at my elbow when we are testifying,
and we will be able to take care of the technical

aspects of it.

H.M.Jr:

I would like to see a copy of that report of the

bank holding company thing, the '33 report.
Have you heard how the notes are going?
Bell:
H.M.Jr:

No, the bank was very good.

I think it is a swell statement. I think it could

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be condensed a little bit more. Blue pencil

it, Ferdie. It is a little repetitious.
(Mr. Hadley entered the conference.)

H.M.Jr:

How is the opening?

Hadley:

The seven-eighths is opening at par twelve to
sixteen, and the one and one eighth issue at
par twenty to twenty-four. These are both

unofficial quotes, but they look like they will
stay for the day and that is pretty close to
what we had estimated.
H.M.Jr:

Very close. Thank you.

Hadley:

The reception is very favorable. They think it
is good.

(Mr. Hadley left the conference.)
H.M.Jr:

I don't want to tie everybody up. I will ask
him. -I will tell him that we are ready any time
beginning with Monday.

Delano:

The --

H.M.Jr:

We are ready any time Monday to testify.

Foley:

To start the hearings?

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Delano:

Now, Mr. Secretary --

H.M.Jr:
Delano:

We will start any time beginning Monday.

We are preparing a statement in collaboration with
these gentlemen here -(Telephone conversation with Mr. Smith, secretary
to Senator Glass, follows.)

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April 9, 1941
11:07 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Senator
Mr.
Smith.Glass is in Lynchburg. I have

Rixey
Smith:

Yes, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:

How are you?

S:

H.M.Jr:

I'm fine, sir. How are you, sir?
Fine. Mr. Smith, I wish you could get in

touch with Senator Glass and tell him
that anytime beginning with this coming
Monday we'd be ready to start to testify

on this bank holding bill. See?

S:

H.M.Jr:

Yes, sir.
And what would his pleasure be?

S:

All right, sir. That's the subcommittee

H.M.Jr:

I suppose so.

S:

I don't know whether Wagner is back or not.

H.M.Jr:

Well, they tell me Wagner is quite sick.

S:

isn't it?

Yes, I'm afraid he is. But if it's the
subcommittee, which I'm sure it is, the

Senator can go ahead with these hearings

whenever you are ready.
H.M.Jr:

Well, we'll be ready any time beginning

Monday and when I say we, I mean Mr. Delano,
Mr. Crowley and I.
S:

All
right, sir. I'11 let your office
know.

H.M.Jr:

Will you do that?
Yes, sir.

S:

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

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Upham:

Does Crowley know, too?

Foley:

Somebody
to call him.ought to tell Crowley. Maybe we ought

Delano:

Somebody has got to tell Crowley.

H.M.Jr:

I will call him up myself. Well, I want to do

this again tomorrow. I would like to meet with

you gentlemen again tomorrow at eleven. Is
that crowding you too much? Would you rather
have it in the afternoon tomorrow?
Kuhn:

Afternoon.

Foley:

Yes, afternoon will give us a little more time.

H.M.Jr:

Three-thirty tomorrow afternoon?

Delano:

That is all right.

H.M.Jr:

Three-thirty tomorrow afternoon. I think this

is good,
Have you got a copy so that you
can
look Dan.
this over?
Bell:

Yes,
I have
that is
all. got a copy. I just hadn't read it,

H.M.Jr:

Will you?

Bell:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

I value your opinion on this.
It isn't worth much.

H.M.Jr:

Yes it is.

Bell:

I will read it over.

H.M.Jr:

But if you can change that for me and them summar-

ize again
onthe
the end.
same tone, even if you repeat a
little
bit at

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

Secretary Morgenthau

April 9, 1941.

E. H. Foley, Jr.

Attached is a draft of statement, prepared in

anticipation of your appearance before the Banking and
Currency Committee of the Senate in support of the bank

holding company bill. As you suggested, both Mr. Kuhn
and Mr. Duffield worked on it with us.
No definite decision has as yet been made as to

the witnesses to be called in support of the bill.

Of course, you and Mr. Delano and Leo Crowley will carry

a major part of the burden. Since a great deal of

attention must be given to a development of the Transamerica-Bank of America story, it would seem that who-

ever in the Comptroller's office is most familiar with
the set-up should be prepared to go into it in detail.
I understand that the men in the Comptroller's office

most familiar with the subject are Mr. Sedlacek and
Mr. Williams. Some thought was given to using Dean Bates

for
this, but I doubt its practicability, since his knowledge
is second-hand at best.

We considered the advisability of getting a banker to
testify for the bill, but have abandoned the idea, largely
because no one could think of a banker who is in favor of it.
It was also suggested that Commissioner Healy of the Securities
and Exchange Commission might testify on the evils of holding
companies generally and that Judge Pecora might be asked to
re-state some of the material developed in the banking
investigation he carried on a few years ago. We have since come
tentatively to the conclusion that neither Judge Pecora nor
Commissioner Healy could contribute enough to a discussion of

the bill under consideration to justify asking them to testify.
It seems to me that we ought to plan on not more than

four or five witnesses, with you leading off, followed by

Mr. Delano and the bank examiner or examiners who is to discuss
Transamerica, and ending up with Mr. Crowley.

E.1.7.ht.

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April 8, 1941.
The bill under consideration is designed to curb
the extent to which banks insured by the Federal Deposit
Insurance Corporation may be controlled by holding com-

panies. At present the activities of such holding companies are almost wholly unrestricted.

In brief the bill, which would be administered by
the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, would make it

unlawful, after June 30, 1944, for any company to own or

control more than 10 percent of the voting stock of any
bank insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation,

or to control in any manner the management or policies of

an insured bank. The bill also would confer upon the Comp-

troller of the Currency, with respect to national banks,
and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, with re-

spect to other insured banks, the authority to veto the
payment of excessive dividends by insured banks.

I favor the enactment of the measure. Its purpose
is to protect and safeguard the banking structure which
has been strengthened during the past eight years by the

patient efforts of bankers and government alike. Today

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bankers are cooperating wholeheartedly in the national

defense program. It is because I want to help bankers

and protect bank depositors, especially in the small local

banks, that I favor legislation to deal with the bank
holding company problem. To my mind, holding company

domination is a serious menace to our banking structure.

I do not intend to burden you with an involved discussion of the evils inherent in holding company control
of

banks. In my opinion there is no necessity for a

mass of testimony or for extended hearings on that sub-

ject by this committee. A substantial part of the very
excellent report of your committee at the close of its
stock exchange investigation was devoted to the bank
holding problem.

This morning, I want to discuss briefly some of the
abuses in the operations of bank holding companies as

disclosed by that report and, perhaps, bring to your attention further abuses not taken up at this time.
One of the greatest dangers involved in the expansion

of bank holding companies is the resulting monopolistic

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trend in the banking field. Monopoly in banking is
just as vicious and just as antagonistic to our free

democratic order as it is in fields of steel, oil, or
aluminum. The small unit banker needs protection against
monopoly just as much as the small manufacturer.

Our records disclose several instances in which a
holding company has threatened to establish a branch

of one of its captive banks to compete with a small,
independent institution, unless the independent bank
sold out to the holding company.

In this connection the statement of the president of
a small independent bank, taken from our files, is per-

tinent. He said, "### it now appears that a move is
being made to attempt to scare us into selling out against
our own wishes, or the alternative, to be obliged to com-

pete with this bank in a branch to be established here if
a charter can be procured."
A manufacturer in the same community wrote, "There is

a feeling in all classes that the petition of the large

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-4branch banking institution for a branch in this city is
a 'squeeze' play calculated to force the sale of our own
independent bank."

After a bank has been absorbed into a holding company

system, it is exposed to the danger of intragroup deals at

fictitious values. This is self-dealing. It is the typical
holding company practice with which the public became
familiar in the Ivar Kreuger and McKesson & Robbins cases.

It is particularly important that banks and their depositors be protected against it. When a bank is in a
holding company system it is frequently used to keep afloat
the weak affiliated enterprises of the holding company.
This is done by dumping into the captive bank depreciated

real estate or other assets of affiliates. The bank is
forced by the holding company to pay fictitious prices for

these assets in order to bail out the affiliates.
The bank holding company tends to drain the resources

of the banks in the system in order to maintain the dividend policy of the holding company. The maintenance of

the market value of its stock is fundamental to the continued prestige and growth of a bank holding company. The

value of that stock depends primarily upon the dividends

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from dividends paid to the holding company by its sub-

sidiary banks. The result is that the bank holding company is frequently so much concerned with maintaining an

undiminished flow of dividends from its controlled banks

that it is unwilling to recognize the dangerous effect
of an excessive dividend policy upon the soundness of

the banks. The investigation of your Committee disclosed
documentary evidence of the strong pressure by holding

companies in Detroit to compel controlled banks to pay
dividends in excess of the amounts deemed advisable by

the bank directors. Ever since 1933 the office of the
Comptroller of the Currency has endeavored to persuade

one large national bank controlled by a holding company

group to reduce its dividend rate. Instead the dividend
rate has steadily increased from 6% to approximately 20%

at the present time.
The complicated structure of a bank holding company

system is an constant temptation to evasion and circum-

vention of the banking laws. Several years ago the national bank examiners directed a large national bank con-

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-6trolled by a holding company to charge off some $35,000,000

of bad assets. Such a charge off by the bank probably
would have necessitated suspension of dividends by the

bank to the holding company. To avoid this possibility
the bank entered into a series of unjustifiable inter company deals. Instead of charging off the $35,000,000 of
assets the bank turned them over to an affiliated company
which promised to pay the bank $35,000,000. This deal

left the affiliated company holding the bag. To rescue
the company, the bank deliberately wrote up the value

of its bonds by $14,000,000 -- a purely paper transaction.
The bank then credited this pumped up $14,000,000 against

the $35,000,000 owed by the affiliate, in effect excusing that much of the debt. Thus the holding company

forced the bank into a series of devious, unsound deals

in order to keep the dividends flowing to the holding
company.

Your Committee reported that certain of the bank
holding companies investigated deliberately prepared

their statements and reports in such a form as to mis-

represent the real condition of their controlled banks.

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The experience of the office of the Comptroller of the
Currency has shown that the structure of some bank
holding companies is so confusing that adequate examina-

tion and supervision of the national banks controlled by
such companies is at times all but impossible.
One of the prevalent methods of misusing the funds

of a bank controlled by a holding company is to force
the bank to lend money to the holding company or to

make loans on stock of the holding company. One of the
easiest ways for the holding company to maintain the

market price of its stock is to have the bank lend
money to friendly persons so that they can buy the holding company's stock.

For example, the former National Bank of Kentucky

loaned approximately $5,800,000 of its funds on stock
of the holding company which controlled the bank. When
the holding company collapsed the bank suffered a loss
of almost $2,000,000 on those loans.

242
-8Although existing law restricts loans by member
banks of the Federal Reserve System to executive officers

of such banks, the spirit of the law is frequently circumvented by loans made to officers and directors of

bank holding companies or affiliated interests. I have

in mind an officer of a corporation affiliated with a
bank holding company who had inadequately secured loans

of over $7,000,000 outstanding at one time from a bank
controlled by the holding company.

The fact that bank holding companies list their
stocks on national exchanges is an ever-present menace

to the banks controlled by the holding companies.
Declines in the market price of the holding company

stock affect the public confidence, not only in the hold- ing company, "as a distinct entity but in each and every

banking unit of the whole, regardless of its own inherent
soundness." (page 284)
Strong banks in a holding company group are often

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expressed this criticism:
"The most patent deficiency in
group-banking is that the group is

only as strong as its weakest unit.
# # * When the shock of adversity * # #

dislodges confidence in any one of the

units, the entire structure is destined
to collapse. Unit banks which might

otherwise have survived are doomed be-

cause of their affiliation in the public

mind with the weaker units." (page 294)

After its careful investigation this Committee concluded that:

"* # * Little justification, economic

or social, exists for the holding company

as presently constituted and conducted.

Holding companies, whether employed in

the banking, public utility, or railroad
field, have been catastrophic to the American public." (page 382)

The intensive investigation made by this Committee
in 1934 and the very positive condemnation of holding companies by your Committee in its monumental report, show

that legislation is needed to end the domination of insured banks by holding companies. And nothing has happened

to diminish the need. In fact our experience in more re-

cent years will, I believe, lend additional support to

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The impelling necessity for bank holding company

legislation was made increasingly clear as a result of

recent difficulties which the office of the Comptroller
of the Currency, in cooperation with the other Federal
bank supervising agencies, encountered in the examina-

tion and supervision of one of the largest national banks,
which is a unit in a complicated holding company system.

I refer to Transamerica Corporation and its relationship
with the Bank of America. In that case, the value of the
holding company stock depended to a marked degree upon

the dividends paid by the bank to the holding company and

many of the financial transactions of the holding company
group involved the questionable use of funds obtained
from the bank.

The bank, under the domination of the holding company group, refused to follow recommendations and direc-

tions of the Comptroller of the Currency to reduce its
excessive dividend rate, improve its capital position,
charge off certain losses set up by the national bank
examiners, drastically reduce excessive loans to the

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eliminate excessive real estate holdings, and take
other steps considered by the Comptroller of the Currency as necessary to protect the soundness and stability
of the bank.

Some of the sanctions given the Comptroller of the

Currency under existing legislation are so weak that
their use would have been ineffective, while others are
so drastic that their use might have done excessive injury to the bank. Consequently, for approximately three
years a tug of war went on between the bank on the one

hand and the office of the Comptroller of the Currency

and the other regulatory agencies on the other. Finally,
as a result of constant pressure over those three years,
the bank a greed to make a number of the changes insisted

upon by the Comptroller of the Currency, although it did

not agree to any reduction in its dividend rate of 19.2
percent. Although it is believed that the changes agreed

to by the bank, if faithfully carried out, will greatly
benefit the bank, it is probable that the continued domination of the bank by the holding company group will lead

to further difficulties.

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It is potentially dangerous, when the future of
some of the largest banks in the country, as well as

thousands of small banks, is tied to the career of a
few holding companies. Banks are established, not to
nurture holding companies, but to serve the depositors
and the general public. The Federal Government, as
charterer, examiner, and supervisor of banks, has the

responsibility of taking every possible step to assure
the soundness of such banks. The various agencies in-

trusted by Congress with that responsibility cannot

function effectively unless Congress enacts legislation
conferring adequate powers upon such agencies.
In 1938 an interdepartmental committee composed of

representatives of the Board of Governors of the Federal
Reserve System, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corpora-

tion, the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and the
Treasury Department gave considerable attention to the
bank holding company problem and reached the unanimous

conclusion that the operations of bank holding companies

should not be allowed to expand, that the principle of
bank holding companies is not in the best interests of

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the country and that something should be done about them.

The opinion of that committee was comunicated to the

President. Shortly, thereafter, in his message to Congress, on April 29, 1938, the President recommended the

enactment of bank holding company legislation in the
following language:

"We have seen the multiplied evils
which-have arisen from the holding com-

pany system in the case of public utilities, where a small minority ownership
has been able to dominate a far-flung
system.

"We do not want those evils repeated

in the banking field, and we should take
steps now to see that they are not.

"It is not a sufficient assurance
against the future to say that no great

evil has yet resulted from holding com-

pany operations in this field. The possibilities of great harm are inherent
in the situation.
"I recommend that the Congress enact

at this session legislation that will effectively control the operation of bank

holding companies; prevent holding companies from acquiring control of any more

banks, directly or indirectly; prevent

banks controlled by holding companies from
establishing any more branches; and make

it illegal for a holding company, or any
corporation or enterprise in which it is
financially interested, to borrow from or
sell securities to a bank in which it holds
stock.

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"I recommend that this bank legislation make provision for the gradual separation of banks from holding company control or ownership, allowing a
-- time

in an
time for it for to this be done accomplishment orderly reasonable manner enough and

without causing inconvenience to communities
served by holding company banks."

That was almost three years ago. Congress has not

yet taken any action to deal with the problem. The bill
under discussion carries out the President's recommendations.
Some may assert that during the present crisis, when

our energies are centered primarily on matters of national
defense, we have no time to deal with problems essentially

domestic or to worry about internal reforms. But unhappy
events abroad have made it abundantly clear that a nation

is as likely to collapse from weaknesses in its internal
social and economic structure as it is from external forces.
Whether the democratic form of government will survive

depends to a large degree upon its ability, during national

and international crises, to continue to protect the lives,

the rights and the interests of its citizens, not only
against oppression from abroad, but against oppression from

within. Domination by economic or financial oligarchies
such as bank holding companies, is in some respects just as
undemocratic and oppressive as domination by a totalitarian
government.

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April 9, 1941
11:10 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello, Rouse?

Robert
Rouse:

H.M.Jr:
R:

Yes. Good morning, sir.
How is it going?

Very well. Everybody is delighted with
it.
The question
subscribe
for. 18 how much can they

H.M.Jr:

I got the - the 1-1/8 is a little bit
high, isn't it?

R:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

The 7/8's doesn't seem to be.

R:

It's a full rate. Well, I think that was

regarded as being very liberal, reflecting
extent the market might be fully insulated
against it.
Yeah. Well, the war news is as bad as

perhaps concern about the news and to what

H.M.Jr:

you can make it.

R:

Yes, it is.

H.M.Jr:

And I'm tickled to death that we've got the

R:

extra cushion.

Well, everybody is delighted with it and
as I say it's a question of how much they
can subscribe. There'11 be no markets
made in it today. One chap called me Rich of Hanseatic and he made the remark
that it looked to him like the year and
a half was worth close to 1/2 in yield
and 1/2 in price and that the 1-1/8 looked
like about 3/4's yield and 3/4's in price,
but they're not getting down to brass tacks
on that until tomorrow morning.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

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The other section of the market - the tax
exempt market - prices are lower this
morning; there has been a little selling.
One corporation came in to sell a block
of the old and new 21's of the tax exempt
ones. They've been pretty well taken on
a scale down. The market is small but
there is a good firm undertone. People
won't reach up to buy them under these
conditions but they will buy.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

R:

I hope your cold is better.

H.M.Jr:

A little better, thank you.

R:

Fine.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

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April 9, 1941
11:25 a. m.

Present:

Mr. Sullivan
Mr. Blough
Mr. Tarleau
Dr. Haas

Mr. Sullivan: That is the list of men who are
here with the Defense Commission or the War Department
who are connected with one of the 100 companies getting
defense contracts.
HM,Jr: Does it show how many?
volved.

Mr. Blough: Forty-seven men and 16 companies in-

HM,Jr: Who did this job? That was a quick job.
Mr. Sullivan: Mr. Blough.
Mr. Blough: The combined staffs of ours and
George's worked together.

HM,Jr: From 13 to 18 is steel. Is that right?
Mr. Blough: Yes.

HM,Jr: I would like to study this a little bit.
Mr. Sullivan: Now, the last communication we
had from Mr. McReynolds, who did not purport to be right
up to the minute on personnel, and this may have to be

supplemented by another memorandum when we get the current
information from OPM

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Mr. Blough: We got a second memorandum from

Mr. McReynolds, but even it is not fully up to date.
HM,Jr: 0. K.
(Mr. Sullivan handed the Secretary the attached

statement "Tax Changes Aggregating Approximately an

Additional $3,000 Million of Revenue" .)

HM,Jr: Now. Individual income taxes. That

is as of yesterday?

Mr. Sullivan: That's right.
HM, Jr: And estate?

Mr. Sullivan: Right.
HM,Jr: And gift?

Mr. Sullivan: Right.
HM,Jr: And Corporation. Is that the same?
Mr.Blough: That's new.

HM,Jr: What's that surtax?

Mr. Sullivan: This: instead of increasing the

normal tax from 24% to 30%, if that becomes a surtax

rather than a normal tax, it reduces the value of the
exemption on tax-exempt securities.

HM,Jr: I see.
Mr. Blough: Partially exempt.
HM,Jr: Eccles, you know, asked if we could not
freeze it at 24%.

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Mr. Sullivan: There was a rumor around in

New York, while you were away, that we would reduce

the corporation tax to 6 and then put on a 24% surtax, which wouldn't of course be honest.

HM,Jr: But this is a surtax on what?
Mr. Sullivan: Additional tax of 6% on corporate

net incomes.

Mr. Blough: Simply called a surtax.
HM,Jr: What was the normal tax?

Mr. Sullivan: 24.
Dr. Haas: I suggest they do that because yesterday, you remember, when you were trying to price that
thing there were several different assumptions.
HM,Jr: Would it get as much?

Mr. Sullivan: Exactly.

HM,Jr: But you just call it a different thing.
Mr. Sullivan: Yes.
HM,Jr: Clever!

Mr. Sullivan: I think we should resist all at-

tempts to increase the individual normal tax. There
will be a good deal of pressure to increase the normal
tax.

HM,Jr: What effect would it have?

Mr. Sullivan: It affects our collections. Many
of those bonds are exempt from normal tax.

HM,Jr: I see. I see. Now we come to soft

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drinks. Gasoline.

Mr. Sullivan: I have a question on gasoline.
That's raising it for cent and I think it could stand
le.

HM,Jr: I would certainly put it 1g and let

them cut it.

HM,Jr: Check tax, telephone, jewelry, candy, toilet
preparations, club dues, sporting goods, bowling alleys,
playing cards, safety deposit boxes.
Mr. Tarleau: We have one on them now.

HM,Jr: That only comes to $3,000,000,000.

Mr. Sullivan: That's right.
HM, Jr: You needed $3,500,000,000, don't we?

Mr. Sullivan: That's right.
HM, Jr: the gives us $127,000,000 more?

Mr. Sullivan: That's right.

HM,Jr: Does it? No. Yes.
Where are you going to get the other 3 or 400 million?

Mr. Sullivan: I thought we were going to discuss
the liquor question.
HM,Jr: Not today.
Mr. Sullivan: We have another $190 million, another

$220 million -- $192 million, increase of a dollar a barrel
on beer and a dollar a barrel on liquor.

HM,Jr: No. Haven't you got some other place to go?

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HM,Jr: How much extra do corporations pay?

$900,000,000?

Mr. Sullivan: That's right.
Mr. Blough: It went up $900,000,000 because these
are separate estimates and when they are combined one tax

affects the base of the other. It won't be that high.

Of course, there are ways of making that considerably more.
HM,Jr: Have you got any suggestions?

Mr. Sullivan: Yes. Yes, we have a number of

them. In the first place, there are two things I think
I should bring to your attention. If these taxes that

appear on this page were passed tomorrow, we would not

get $3,000,000,000 in Fiscal '42.
HM,Jr: I know.

Mr. Sullivan: That may be ample justification
for our asking for a great deal more than $3 billions
and letting them whittle it down.

HM,Jr: That's right.
Mr. Blough: We have income tax schedules that
will give us $1,736,000,000,000.

HM, Jr: That fellow back there (Mr. Tarleau) is

getting nervous.

Mr. Sullivan: There will be a lot of people get

nervous.

Mr. Tarleau: That's worth studying, that $1 billion 7.

Dr. Haas: I told John to take it out at the source.
Mr. Sullivan: I can show you how that operation
is performed.

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HM,Jr: I want my two-thirds. Haven't you

got some other excise taxes you can stick in there?

Mr. Blough: Yes, Mr. Secretary. Give us a

little more time to hunt. It isn't as easy as it may

appear.

HM,Jr: I don't see why you might not put 24 more

on gasoline.

Mr. Blough: And of course any of these can be

increased higher.

HM,Jr: I want to go before the President with

31 billions. That's the figure you gave me, isn't it?
Mr. Sullivan: That's right.
HM,Jr: I want to go before him with 31.
Mr. Sullivan: (To Dr. Haas) Has A1 done any more work
on the excess profits?

Dr. Haas: They are working on it now.
HM,Jr: When I go before the President I want to

be able to say, "We said two-thirds. Here it is. This
is the way to get it." How much more would this give?
Mr. Sullivan: Very nearly $600,000,000.

HM,Jr: This would do it, wouldn't it?
Mr. Sullivan: You bet it would. That would do
a lot of things, that one.
HM,Jr: What's the matter with this one? This
does not look so bad. Why won't this one do it? You
need that much?

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Mr. Sullivan: No, not quite.

HM,Jr: I will tell you what I would do. I

would suggest 2 on gasoline. See. And then can

you jack up corporations any?

Mr. Sullivan: 2d on gasoline will give us an

additional $360,000,000.

HM,Jr: Then you need an other $140,000,000.

HM,Jr: Would you take it out of the incomes
or out of the corporations?

Mr. Blough: Can do it either way. There are

a variety of things that could be done to income taxes

to increase its yield.

HM,Jr: Well, think it over.

Mr. Sullivan: All right.
HM,Jr: I don't see why gasoline isn't a perfectly good thing to tax. It goes with the automobiles.
It's a luxury thing.

Mr. Blough: In part. A great deal of gasoline

goes into business use and will enter into the cost of
business.

HM,Jr: How much is the gasoline tax now?

Mr. Sullivan: Taxed 4d average by States and the

Federal Government imposes lie. It was le until last
year and we raised it the We recommended 1g increase.

HM,Jr: Let's say 2c. And then come back. Maybe
you have a schedule in between this one. Got another?
Mr. Sullivan: We don't.

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HM,Jr: You have got to pick up some money some-

where. I want my 31!

Mr. Sullivan: You will get it.
HM, Jr: How about 11 o'clock tomorrow?

Mr. Sullivan: Fine!

HM,Jr: I will try not to be so late.
And, John, you have to have my statement on how

we arrive at 31.

Mr. Sullivan: Statement for whom?

HM,Jr: For the President. How we arrive at the

3à billions. He will say, "How do you arrive at 31."

So much expenditure, so much, so much. On the expenditure
picture.

Mr. Sullivan: Oh, yes.
You asked to have a letter prepared to be sent to
the Governors of States asking them to follow bur lead
and issue taxable securities. That does not help us
very much because our securities are now taxed by our
own Government and they can come back and say, "All we

have to do is tax our own securities and that will not
help you any." But the letter has been prepared along
the line of interesting them to help in our program.
HM,Jr: You see, the War Department is in on the

taxing of gasoline in Florida and I asked them to put

Greenbaum on that and the War Department has done that
and Patterson says he will accept anything that Greenbaum

says. I am sending out a telegram to the Governors

asking them to appoint committees on National Defense

bonds. We had better get together. This telegram asking for the committee has to go. Let me get that out

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and then bring it to me again.

Mr. Sullivan: Yes, sir.
000-000

I will.

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441-4

Tax changes aggregating approximately an additional $3,000 million of revenue 1
Source

: Estimated increase

(In millions)

:

ividual income taxes

$1,150.7

Increase surtax rates by adopting attached rate schedule

tate and gift taxes

321.0

Estate tax changes: (1) reduce exemption to $25,000;

2 adopt the attached estate tax rate schedule;

(3) reduce insurance exclusion to $25,000

Gift tax changes: (1) reduce exemption to $25,000;

2 increase the gift tax rates to three-fourths the rates

in the estate tax schedule
rporation taxes

903.5

(1) Surtax on normal tax net income, 6%

(2) Excess profits taxi Reduce the average earnings credit
from 95 to 75 percent and the invested capital credit
from 8 to 6 percent

533.5

370.0
200.8

bacco

Cigarettes: Additional 75 cents per 1,000
Cigars, tobacco and anuff: Double rates

125.2
75.6

Gasoline

132.5
127.7

her excise taxes
Soft drinks

744.7

Admissions (reduce exemptions to 9 cents)
Automobiles, parts and accessories

55.0
78.3
56.0
43.5*
37.00

Check tax

Tires and tubes

Telephone, telegraph, cable, radios, etc.

30.0

Telephone bill

assenger transportation

30.0*

25.0

levelry

19.0*
19.0*
13.0*

Candy, chewing gum

oilet preparations

Photographic apparatus, etc.
Clocks, watches, etc.

11.0

Club dues, initiation fees

9.5*

Matches

8.0

Cabarets

7.5°

7.2

Dentifrices, toilet soap, etc.

6.5°

Sporting goods

6.0

urs

5.0*
5.0*

Radio receiving sets
Musical instruments
Bowling alleys

5.0
4.0

Playing cards

2.0*
2.0*

runks, suitcases and other luggage

Safe deposit boxes
Summation of items

$3,320.7

Less: Allowance for interrelated tax bases (approximate)
Total

320.7
$3,000.00

April 9, 1941.
Only the separate effects of interrelated changes have been taken into account. The
extent to which the simultaneous enactment of these changes would reduce the yield
of the separate proposals has not been estimated. Estimates for individual income
taxes are on basis of calendar year 1941 levels of income: all other estimates are
at business levels estimated for the fiscal year 1942.
Tentative figure supplied by Bureau of Internal Revenue.

asury Department, Division of Tax Research

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441-4

Individual surtax rate schedule
$1,150.7 million without defense tax
$1,261.3 million with defense tax

2

Total surtax
cumulative

:

0

$

(percent)

:

of dollars)

Bracket rate

:

Surtax net income :
(in thousands

10

200

$

2

4

12

4

6

14

6

8

16

10

18

10

12

20

12

14

22

14

16

24

16

18

26

8

18

20

28

20

22

30

22

26

33

26

32

36

32

38

39

38

44

42

44

50

45

50

60

49

60

70

52

70

80

55

80

90

58

90

100

61

100

150

62

150 200 250 300 -

200

63

250

64

300

66

400

68

400 - 500
500 - 1,000
1,000 - 2,000
2,000 - 5,000

Over 5,000

70

72
73
74
75

440
720

1,040
1,400
1,800
2,240
2,720
3,240
3,800
4,400
5,720
7,880
10,220
12,740
15,440
20,340
25,540
31,060
36,840
42,940
73,940
105,440
137,440
170,440
238,440
308,440
668,440

1,398,440
3,618,440
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441-4
Comparison of surtax schedules
under present law and proposed Schedule
Surtax
net income

:: Bracket
surtax cumulative
Present rates (percent) : Total
Present
:

-

4-

6

4%

8

b

10

8

6

8

:

4
2

:

-

law

10%

-

$

$

12

-

440

80

720

16

200

18

360

1,040
1,400
1,800
2,240
2,720
3,240
3,800
4,400
5,390
5,720
7,160
7,880
10,220
12,740
15,440
20,340
25,540
31,040
36,840
42,940
73,940
105,440
137,440
170,440
238,440
308,440
488,440
668,440

12

10

20

12 14 16 18 20 22 25 26 30 32 38 44 50 -

560

14

12

22

800

16

15

24

18

18

26

20

21

28

22

24

30

25

27

33

26

27

33

30

30

36

32

30

36

38

33

39

44

36

42

1,100
1,460
1,880
2,360
3,170
3.440
4,640
5,240
7,220
9.380
11,780
16,180
20,880
25,880
31,180
36,780
65,780
95,780
126,780
158,780
224,780
292,780
467.780
647,780

50

40

45

60

44

49

60

70

47

52

70

80

50

55

80

90

53

58

56

61

750 - 1,000
1,000 - 2,000
2,000 - 5,000
Over - 5,000

200

14

10

90 - 100
100 - 150
150 - 200
200 - 250
250 - 300
300 - 400
400 - 500
500 - 750

Proposal

:

2

:

0-

Proposal

:

$

law

:

($000)

58

62

60

63

62

64

64

66

66

68

68

70

70

72

72

72

73

73

74

74

75

75

1,377,780
3.597.780

Treasury Department, Division of Tax Research

-

1,398,440
3,618,440
-

March 31, 1941

441 4
Comparison of present and proposed individual income taxes
on net incomes of selected sizes 1
Married person - no dependents

:

60 $

tax

:

:

:

1,000,000
5,000,000

tax

66

51

128

141

70

264

290

110

420

462

150

576

634

317

928

528

1,258
2,336
3,843
14,128
27,768
43,476
330,156
717,584

1,320
1,870
2,484
3,904
5,594
16,404
30,054
45,584
326,904
706,864

1,021
1,452
2,057
2,732
4,294
6,153
18,044
33,059
50,142
344,214
736,178

3,916,548

3,816,824

3,935,142

858

Proposal

Percent
Proposal

: law :defense :defense Without de-: With de-:Without de-: with de -

: defense

:

3,000
4,000
5,000
6,000
8,000
10,000
12,500
15,000
20,000
25,000
50,000
75,000
100,000
500,000

11 $

:

2,500 $

:Present:Without: With

With

Increase in tax
Amount

:

$

: Without
: defense

: Proposal

:

:

2/

Proposal

:

personal : Present
law
exemption :

Effective rates

:

:

Amount of tax

:

before :

:

Net income

.4%

1.0
1.8
2.2
2.5
4.0
5.3
6.9
8.4

11.7
15.4
28.3
37.0
43.5
66.0
71.8
78.3

tax : tax :fense tax :fense taxidefense taxifense ta:
2.4%

4.3
6.6
8.4

9.6

11.6
13.2
15.0
16.6
19.5
22.4
32.8
40.1
45.6
65.4
70.7
76.3

2.6% $
4.7
7.3
9.2
10.6
12.8
14.5
16.5
18.2
21.5
24.6
36.1

44.1
50.1
68.3
73.6
78.7

49

$

55

97

110

194

220

310

352

426

484

611

704

792

924

1,012
1,226
1,568
1,751
2,276
2,286
2,108

1,199
1,474
1,958
2,310
3,916
5,291
6,666
14,058
18,594
18,549

- 3,252
- 10,720
- 99,724

445.5%

500.0%

312.9
277.1
281.9
284.0
192.7
150.0
117.3
97.5
67.1
45.6
16.1

354.9
314.3
320.0
322.7
222.1
175.0
139.7
117.2
83.8
60.1
27.7
19.1
15.3
4.3
2.6

8.2

4.8

- 1.0
- 1.5
- 2.5

Treasury Department, Division of Tax Research

1/ Under the proposal, the attached surtax rate Schedule
2

Maximum earned income assumed.

is substituted for the present schedule.

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441 4

#
Estate and gift tax rate schedule
$321 million combined effect without defense tax:
$288 million from estate tax and $33 million from

gift tax assuming gift tax rates are equal to
three quarters of estate tax rates, the specific

exemption under both taxes is reduced from $40,000
to $25,000 and that the insurance exclusion under
the estate tax is reduced from $40,000 to $25,000

(Estimat ed fiscal 1942 business levels)

tax on higher
amount

:

$

1,000 2,000 3,000 4.000 5,000 6,000 7.000 3,000 9,000 -

:

20 30 40 60 80 100 150 200 250 300 500 -

:

10

:

5

(Percent)

Cumulative

:

0$

Bracket rate

:

of dollars)

:

specific exemption
(in thousands

:

Net estate after

200

4

5

$

10
20

12

30

16

40

20

60

23

80

26

100

29

150

32

200

35

250

38

300

41

500

44

1,000
2,000
3,000
4,000
5,000
6,000
7,000
8,000
9.000
10,000

47

10,000 - 20,000
20,000 - 50,000

Over - 50,000

500

8

49
51

53

55
57
59
61

63
65
67
69

1,800
3,400
5.400
10,000
15,200
21,000
37,000
54,500
73,500
94,000
182,000
417,000
907,000

1,417,000
1,947,000
2,497,000
3,067,000
3,657,000
4,267,000
4,897,000
5,547,000
12,247,000
32,947,000
-

70

Treasury Department, Division of Tax Research

March 31, 1941

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441-4

Proposed estate tax rates compared with

present estate tax rates

Net estate after :

Proposed rates 1
Present rates 1
:
Cumulative
specific exemption: Bracket rate
Bracket rate : Oumulative
(in thousands
:tar
on
higher
tax on higher
(percent)
(percent)
of dollars)
:
:

:

amount

$

20

12

20

30

16

40

20

40

60

23

60

80

26

80

100

29

100

150

32

150 -

200

35

200

250

38

250 -

300

41

300

500

44

1,000
2,000
3,000
4,000
5,000
6,000
7,000
8,000
9,000
10,000

47

500 -

1,000 2,000 3,000 4,000 5,000 6,000 7,000 8,000 9,000 -

10,000 - 20,000
20,000 - 50,000
Over

100

2

50,000

600

8

10

30

200

$

10

49
51

53
55
57
59
61

63
65
67
69

1,800
3,400
5,400
10,000
15,200
21,000
37,000
54,500
73,500
94,000
182,000
417,000
907,000

1,417,000
1,947,000
2,497,000
3,067,000
3,657,000
4,267,000
4,897,000
5,547,000
12,247,000
32,947,000

70

-

Treasury Department, Division of Tax Research

1 Exclusive of temporary defense tax.

200

2

600

4

6

8

10 12
12 14
14
17
17
20
20

20 23
23 29
32 35
38 41
44 47
50 53
56
59
61

63
65
67
69

70

1,200
2,000
4,200
6,800
9,600
18,100
26,600
36,600
46, 600

89,600
222,600
557,600
952,600

1,407,600
1,922,600
2,482,600
3,072,600
3,682,600
4,312,600
4,962,600
11,662,600
32,362,600
-

5

4

5

:

0$

$

amount

April 9, 1941

441-4

Comparison of proposed estate tax with present estate
tax on net estates (before exemption) of selected
sizes 1/

:

:

1,527,680

1,933,750

2,706,220 3,052,750
5,430,260 5,530,750
12,799,38012,230,250
27,978,50026,029,750
43,268,06039,929,500
74,068,060 67,929,5

$

:

1,000
2,000
4,000
6,000
10,000
20,000
40,000
60,000
100,000

$

:

100
200
400
600

2,200
4,620
21,780
64,460
113,740
232,100
597,960

2,600
4,400
8,850
13,900
45,750
127,000
217,250
405,250
894,750

220
660

:

80

$

2,860
4,840
9.735
15,290
50,325
139,700
238,975
445,775
984,225

2,127,125
3,358,025
6,083,825
13,453,275
28,632,725
43,922,450
74,722,450

Treasury Department, Division of Tax Research

: defense :

law

0.4%
1.1

2.8
4.6
10.9
16.1
19.0
23.2
29.9
38.2
45.1
54.3
64.0

69.9
72.1
74.1

tax

defense
tax

5.2%

5.7%

7.3

8.1

11.1
13.9
22.9
31.8
36.2
40.5
44.7
48.3
50.9
55.3
61.2
65.1
66.5
67.9

12.2
15.3
25.2
34.9
39:8
44.6
49.2
53.2
56.0
60.8

:

:

:

50

60

:

tax

tax

:

law 2

(000)

:Present: Without : With

:

exemption

: Proposal

$

Increase in tax
Amount

:

Present

Effective rate

:

before

$

Proposal
with
Without
defense
defense

:

Amount of tax

Net estate,

Percent

Without : With :Without: With
defense :defense:defense: defense

tax : tax : tax : tax

2,380 $ 2,640 1081.8% 1200.0%
3,740
6,650
9,280
23,970
62,540
103,510
173,150
296,790
406,070
346,530
100,490

4,180
7.535
10,670
28,545
75,240
125,235
213,675
386,265
599,445
651,805
653,565

566.7
302.3
200.9
110.1
97.0
91.0
74.6
49.6
26.6
12.8
1.9

67.3 - 569,130 653,895 - 4.4
71.6 -1,948,750 654,225 - 7.0
73.2 -3,338,560 654,390 - 7.7
74.7 -6,138,560 654,390 - 8.3

633.3
342.5
231.0
131.1
116.7
110.1
92.1
64.6
39.2
24.1
12.0
5.1
2.3
1.5

April 9. 1941

1 Under the proposal the attached rate schedule is substituted for the present schedule and the specific
exemption is reduced from $40,000 to $25,000.

2 Includes 10 percent defense tax.

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441-4

INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX RATES
1940 AND PROPOSAL

Combined Normal and Surtax Rates
PERCENT

PERCENT

90

90

80

80

70

70

60

60

50

50

40

40

30

1940

Proposal

30

Excluding Defense Tax

20

20

10

10

0

20

40

60

100

200

400

600

1000

SURTAX NET INCOME IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

2000

4000 6000

0

10

6

4

441-4

EFFECTIVE INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX RATES WITH DEFENSE TAX
Married Person, No Dependents
PERCENT

PERCENT

90

90

80

80

70

70

Proposal
Without Defense Tax
60

60

50

50

1940
40

40

30

30

Proposal
20

20

10

10

O

10

20

40

60

100

200

400

600

NET INCOME IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

1000

2000

4000 6000

0

6

4

2

1

441 4

ESTATE TAX RATES. WITHOUT DEFENSE TAX
Bracket Rates
PERCENT

PERCENT

90

90

80

80

70

70

60

60

Proposal
50

50

40

40

30

30

Present Law
(1935 Act)
20

20

10

10

0

10

20

40

100

200

400

1000

2,000

4,000

NET ESTATES IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

o

10,000

20,000

40,000

100,000

4

1-4

EFFECTIVE ESTATE TAX RATES, WITH DEFENSE TAX
Proposal Computed on Basis of $25,000 Exemption

PERCENT

PERCENT

90

90

80

80

70

70

60

60

50

50

Proposal

Proposal

Without Defense Tax

40

40

30

30

Present Law
(1935 Act)

20

20

10

10

o

10

20

40

100

200

400

1000

2,000

4.000

10,000

20.000

NET ESTATES BEFORE EXEMPTION IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

40,000

o

100,000

List of individuals formerly connected with one of the 100 corporations receiving the greatest volume
of defense contracts 1/ and now serving is scase capacity with one of the national defense organizations
(Amounts in millions of dollars)
Defense

Bank of oom-1

Capacity with defense organization

organization,

Division

2/

Company with which

previously connected

Position

of defense
contracte)

4. Pratt, John L.

O.P.M.

Production

5. Johnson, E. F.

O.P.M.

Production

6. Collins, Wts. M.

7. Brooks, Geo. A.

N.D.A.C.
N.D.A.C.

Industrial prod.
Industrial prod.

8. Horner, Fred C.
9. Heron, S. D.

N.D.A.C.

Transportation

N.D.A.C.

Industrial prod.

General Motors Corp.

Chief, Ordnance section
Member, prod. planning board

Chief, aircraft ordnance &
tools branch

General Motors Cory.

Secretary to the Commissioner

General Motors Corp.

Legal staff
Consultant on private trucking

General Motors Corp.

Asst. chief, aircraft engines
section

Ethyl Casoline Corp. 3/

10. White, H. J.

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

11. Wright, T. P.

O.P.M.

12. Lombard, A. E.

O.P.M.

Production
Production

Specialist, systhetic textiles
Asst., aircraft section
Chief, prod. planning unit
aircraft section

13. Stettinius, Ed. R. Jr.

O.P.M.

Priorities

Director

14. Conover, Mr.

O.P.M.

Labor

Labor consultant

15. East, J. D.

N.D.A.C.

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials
Raw materials

Chief economic statistician

16. Jackson, Roy

17. Lynch, R. J.

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

Asst. to the Commissioner

U. S. Steel
U. S. Steel
U. s. Steel

18. Raynor, Hayden

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

last. to the Commissioner

U. S. Steel

19. Mead, George J.

O.P.M.

Production

20. Kuhrt, Wealey A.

N.D.A.C

Industrial prod.

Asst.to ohief aircraft structure

United Aircraft
United Aircraft

21. Chapman, E. S.

O.P.M.

Production

Chief, small arms & ammunition

Chryaler Corp.

O.P.M.

Production

General Electric Co.
General Electric Co.

22. Cliffe, Frank B.

Curtiss-Wright
Curtiss-Wright
U. S. Steel
U. S. Steel

Consultant,acronautical section

O.P.M.

Priorities

O.P.M.

Production

Procurement materials, ship-

25. Vance, E. S.

N.D.A.C.

Industrial prod.

building section
Director, machine tools and

26. Britton, Mason

N.D.A.C.

Industrial prod.

Asst. director, machine tools

27. Deupree, R. R.

O.P.M.

Production

26. Haloomb, Charles

O.P.M.

Priorities

Consultant, agriculture &
forest products section

29. Folson, Marion B.

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

commercial aircraft group
Asst. section executive, mining

30. Holden, G. R.
31. Stevens, Robert T.

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

Economic adviser

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

Group executive, textile prod.

32. Mokernan, J. F.
33. Harrison, W. H.

O.P.M.

Production

Chief, equipment section

N.D.A.C.

Raw materials

Chief, shipbuilding construction

23. Reed, P. D.

24. Lynge, Carl M.

Da Post

office manager

Consultant, aluminum & magnesium
Consultant

heavy ordnance section

Studebaker Corp.

and heavy ordnance section

Studebaker Corp.
Proctor & Camble

st.group executive,

Eastman Kodak Co.
Eastman Kodak Co.

J. P. Stevens & Co.
Western Electric Co.

supplies branch

83

50

34

45

52

28

56

26

O.P.M.

Production

36. Hitchoock, H. W.

O.P.M.

37. Hull, Blake D.
38. Kahler, Mn. V.
39. White, E. N.

O.P.M.

Production
Production

Special adviser, shipbuilding
Am. Tel. & Tel.
construction & supplies
Technical asst., shipbuilding,du Southern Calif. Tel. Co.

and metals branch

62

23

63

22

4/

35. Dunn, Joseph V.

4/

5/

Southwestern Bell Tel. Co.

5

Illinois Bell Tel. Co.

.
.

Staff sec. supervisor

New England Tel. & Tel.
New England Tel. & Tel.
New England Tel. & Tel.

5/

5/

Anc. Tel & Tel.

O.P.M.

Labor

O.P.M.

Labor

O.P.M.

Labor

N.D.A.C.

Labor

Consultant, training in industry
Asst. district representative
District representative
Asst. to the director

44. Thompson, L. S. Jr.

O.P.M.

Labor

Special consultant

Standard oil Co. of N. J.

45. Coler, Carl S.

O.P.M.

Labor

District representative

46. Omborse, L. E.

O.P.M.

Production

Chief,
artillery fire control
and optical unit

Westinghouse Electric
Westinghouse Electric

47. Spencer, Frank E.

O.P.M.

Production

Specialist on alloy steel

42. McDavitt, C. C.
43. Diets, J. W.

23

32

Am. Tel. & Tel.

Asst, to executive, minerals

40. Lane, Michael
41 Keith, Wayne E.

215

4/

Priorities

O.P.M.

382

Am. Tel. & Tel.

O.P.M.

Special adviser
Special adviser

423

Prootor & Gamble

34. Laird, E. C. Jr.

Production
Production

509

General Electric Co.

and mineral products

OFP.M.

601

General Motors Corp.
General Motors Corp.

9

Production

6

O.P.M.

$901

4

Director General

3. Clancy, A. R.

Bethlehem Steel Co.

3

2. Kaudsea, Ma. S.

O.P.M.

Specialist, forgings & castings

2

O.P.M.

Western Electric Co.

Crudible Steel

4/

5/

5/
22

63

71

18

81

14

88

12

of

1/ Contracts awarded to Feb. 26, 1941, exclusive of contracts to government arsenals and shipyards. Does not include contracts
2 O.P.M." Office of Production Management. N.D.A.C.* National Defense Advisory Commission. In cases where individual held position with
3 Fifty percent of comon stook owned by General Motors Corp. and fifty percent by Dow Chemical Company.
Company is not included among the 100 corporations with largest volume of defense contracts but is parent company of Western Electric
Company is not included among the 100 corporations with largest volume of defense contracts but is subsidiary of in. Tel & Tel.
4/

defense

contracts

1

Production

1. Hooker, George F.

Amount of

: pany-(volume

:

Individual

less

than
both

$10,000.
groups

only

O.P.M.

position was shown.
Co.

Comparison of present and proposed individual
income taxes on net incomes of selected sizes 1
Married persons - no dependents

:

:

-

132

-

11

200

31

268

70

424

-

$

110

580

150

756

317

1,258
2,336
3,843
14,128
27,768
43,476
330,156
717,584

1,128
1,540
2,110
2,744
4,224
5,964
16,894
30,644
46,234
327,644
707,624

3,916,548

3,817,604

528

858

:

:

Treasury Department, Division of Tax Research

.4%

1.0
1.8
2.2
2.5
4.0
5.3

6.9
8.4
11.7
15.4
28.3
37.0
43.5
66.0
71.8
78.3

:

64

-

$

Proposal

under proposal
Amount

:

law

Increase or decrease in tax

4.3%

6.6
8.0
8.9
10.6
11.6
12.6
14.1
15.4
16.9
18.3
21.1
23.9
33.8
40.9

46.2
65.5
70.8
76.4

$

1

:

1,000,000
5,000,000

:

1,500
2,000
2,500
3,000
4,000
5,000
6,000
8,000
10,000
12,500
15,000
20,000
25,000
50,000
75,000
100,000
500,000

: Proposal 3

law

Effective rates
Present

:

$

Amount of tax

: Present

:

Net income

before personal
exemption 2/

Percent

64

132
189

237
354
470
606
811

1,012
1,252
1,486
1,888
2,121
2,766
2,876
2,758

- 2,512

- 9,660
-98,944

1,718.2%
764.5
505.7
427.3
404.0
253.8
191.7
145.9
118.1
80.8
55.2
19.6
10.4
6.3

- .8

- 1.4
- 2.5

March 31, 1941

Under the proposal personal exemptions are reduced from $800 to $500 for a single person and from $2,000 to
$1,000 for a married person, and the attached surtax rate schedule "A" is substituted for present schedule.

1

2
3

Maximum earned income assumed.

Without 10 percent defense tax.

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April 9, 1941
11:41 a.m.

Leo

Crowley:

up at the White House right now

just trying to do a little work for Wisconsin.

H.M.Jr:

Can you talk a minute?

C:

Sure.

H.M.Jr:

Or as Eccles would say, "Can you listen a

C:

H.M.Jr:

minute?"

That's right. (Laughs).
I wanted to let you know that I called up
Carter Glass' office - he isn't there and told Rixey Smith that I was ready to

go ahead now any time on this bank holding
thing.

C:

Fine.

H.M.Jr:

Now, I've got a statement which I prepared

and I'd like you to go over it and get your
suggestions.

C:

I'd be very happy to do that. Who has it?

H.M.Jr:

Foley.

C:

H.M.Jr:

May I get in touch with Ed and get it?
I wish you would and then we're counting on
you and Delano also to go up along at the
same time.

C:

H.M.Jr:

C:

That's perfectly all right.
Now Delano's preparing a statement which
he's going to show me and I'm sure he'd be

glad to show it to you.
Fine. Well, we'll go right along, we know

the picture and you know what we'll do with

it.
H.M.Jr:

Well, would you be ready next week?

274

-2C:

Any time that they're ready. See, we've

got our old charts and everything from years
ago, don't you know.

H.M.Jr:
C:

Now, Leo, I think it would be just - hello?
Hello.

just as wise

H.M.Jr:

Operator:

Hello.

C:

Wait a minute, operator.

H.M.Jr:

I think it'd be just as wise if this didn't

C:

That's right. That's right. I'll be glad

H.M.Jr:

And I'd like your advice on it.

C:

Fine and dandy.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

get out any too soon.

to get in touch with Ed and go over it so
that I get a cue from your testimony too.

275

April 9, 1941
2:14 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Foley.

H.M.Jr:

Ed.

Ed Foley:

Yes, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:
F:

H.M.Jr:
F:

H.M.Jr:

Can somebody listen to my conversation

with you? I want to give you some ideas.
Right now?

Is it possible? Oh, I can give it to you.
You'll get it.

All right. In
In this thing that we talked about on the
bank holding, there is this point which was
not included, that the way of American life a bank which is controlled in its community
is just that much more wholesome an institution along the same lines that we encourage
people to own their own homes.

F:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

And I don't think that that was stressed,

F:

Right. Absentee management.

H.M.Jr:

That was not stressed.

F:

No, and we discussed that when we came out

that the importance of having a community
controlled bank as against the bank which
has remote control.

and we're going to put something in on that.

H.M.Jr:

Now, that's No. 1. No. 2, where there are
there is more chance to get a loan. That's
going to interest the man on the street.

more banks in a community to give competition,

If you've got four banks in a community,
you can go around and shop and the chances

of getting a loan are just about four times

8.8 good as when there is only one bank.

276
-2F:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

And that this whole tendency towards less

banks - I mean, it's all right up to a
certain point but I think we should stress
that. A fellow says why sure, in my
community when we had three banks I used

to be able to get a loan; they took an
interest in me.

F:

H.M.Jr:

F:

Yeah.

Local management, I knew the fellow, I saw
him at night, I played pool with him and
bowled with him and

And if you've got a pretty good account,
you can take it out of the bank that won't
give you a loan and go around and give it

to the fellow that will.

H.M.Jr:

And that wasn't stressed. Those two things.

F:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Don't you think they sound good?

F:

Yeah, they're both good and they ought to

be in there. O.K, thanks.

277
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 9. 1941
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Sir Frederick Phillips, Sir Edward Peacock and Mr. T. J. Carlyle Gifford were
luncheon guests of the Secretary at 1 p.m. today in the Treasury. Mesers. Walter Stewart,
Earry White and Merle Cochran also were present. The Secretary's invitation to the
British visitors had resulted from his desire to let them bring him to date with respect
to their problems, and particularly as a result of an expressed wish on the part of
Sir Edward Peacock to acquaint the Secretary with particular questions which have arisen

is connection with the liquidation of British direct investments in the United States.
Secretary Morgenthau opened the business part of the conversation by inquiring

of

Gifford how the sale of securities was progressing. Mr. Gifford replied that everything was moving satisfactorily. The Secretary observed that the liquidation had been

Mr.

proceeding at a good pace. In answer to his further query as to whether Gifford thought
the market was being pressed too heavily at the current rate of sale, the latter replied
in the negative. He thought the market had been able to absorb with facility and without

jury to it the sales which the British had made. He said that his sales had even
used a fillip to the market along in February. At that time a Kress distribution had

gone poorly and one or two proposed distributions, including that of Republic Steel,
had been called off because of the unpropitious market atmosphere. When Gifford then
successfully launched the distribution of $11,500,000 of common stock of United States
Steel, this gave renewed confidence to the market. He remarked, however, that there
were some weeks, such as the present one, in which little progress could be made. The

principal cause of his hesitancy to offer many securities this week resulted from the
fact that there was one very large private financing operation scheduled. The Secretary
added that the war developments of the past two days might also have added to the

undesirability of being active just at present. He reminded Mr. Gifford that in a
similar situation some weeks ago he had counseled that Gifford go lightly with the mar- the
ket. Gifford confirmed this and added that there had been no pressure whatever on
Secretary's part in connection with the liquidation program which is now being followed. he
While Gifford was pleased with the way the market has been receiving his offerings, also
admitted that bad news from the British front might easily worsen the market. He
remarked that the decline in the Dow Jones average, which the luncheon group thought

reflected market hopes rather accurately, might also indicate a forced let up in liquidation.

The Secretary then turned to Sir Edward Peacock and asked if he could have the
inside story of the Viscose transaction, since he had received various accounts thereof,
but nothing directly from Sir Edward. Peacock explained that this had investment been a very to

special transaction. Since this appeared to be the best choice of an word

commence the liquidation, he had already been examining the prospects when certain came

from the Secretary that there should be some concrete result reported within a

278

-2period. Sir Edward had then gotten in touch with two concerns which could most appropriately take the lead. These two concerns, in turn, had been obliged to call in some
twenty other firms to help with the transaction. The plan which was followed, and for
the origin of which idea Sir Edward gave the Secretary credit, was that of requiring a
certain down payment, with the balance to be paid after a more thorough investigation
and the distribution had been consummated. In the present instance the down payment,
which is to be made tomorrow, amounts to $40,000,000. less a deduction for certain expenses and a 5 percent commission. To the extent that the final proceeds go beyond
$40,000,000, 90 percent thereof will go to the British Treasury and 10 percent to the
American banking group.

In answer to the Secretary's inquiry as to whether the bankers' charges were high,
Messrs. Peacock and Gifford replied that they did not feel that they were excessive in
the circumstances. They pointed out that when it came to the point of clearing the
transaction in a specified period of from fourteen to eighteen hours, terms had to be
offered which would be accepted without argument or without necessity of reference to
absent partners, etc. The transaction was of a most exceptional nature, and there is
no scale of charges established for such an operation. The two British agents were
positive that in any circumstances a charge of 9 percent would have been absolutely
necessary. and that the possible range would have been from 9 to 10 percent.

Sir Edward confirmed that this transaction definitely passes control to United
States interests, except for the 5 percent retained by the British parent concern. The
latter had hoped to retain 10 percent, but Peacock had pushed this down to 5 percent in
ier that there should be no question whatever as to the actual transfer to American
control. In this connection he complimented highly the attitude of the Viscose officials
concerned. In answer to the Secretary's inquiry as to how much he expects eventually
to receive from Viscose, Sir Edward replied that this was difficult to establish but
that he is at present bringing all the pressure he can to obtain the highest possible
return, and expects the total price to range between $70,000,000 and $85,000,000. He

believes that this will be a satisfactory return. On the other hand, he felt that if

complete cash sale had been necessitated such a thing would either have been absolutely
impossible, or would not have resulted in a price much beyond the $40,000,000 now received as the down payment under the other scheme. The firms which have taken a part
of the Viscose distribution have in some cases remarked that they are happy to go into

this, but might have to think a while before entering a second operation, and definitely
apparently would not be have in plenty a position of liquid to participate capital. but in a the third. investment That is, concerns banks in such this as country those

sandling the Viscose transaction do not carry enough cash on hand for such important
transactions, and are obliged themselves to borrow.

The Secretary then referred to the message which he had given Sir Frederick Phillips
0 the effect that he had approved the idea when Mr. Jesse Jones had told the Secretary

Merican
loan
sufficient
to
management
desiredan
R.
F.
C.
permit
them
this tofor
buy
out the He
ritish interest in their concern. Peacock thanked the
Secretary
message.

that the Brown and Williamson people had been seeing him some days ago and that the

aid that he had received a letter from the Brown and Williamson people which indicated
that Mr. Jones was willing to go ahead with the loan. The Secretary felt that this could
ot be considered definitely a commitment since Mr. Jones was still to see him tomorrow

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- 3. this point and that Mr. Jones would undoubtedly not make a final commitment without
having consulted the Secretary thereon. At the Secretary's request, Sir Edward described
proposed transaction in some detail, reading a few excerpts from the letter

and Williamson in his pocket. He and Gifford, as well
Brown
the
which
he had
as Phillips,
from
agreed that
theproposition
was not at all clear
and needed
considerable
investigation.

It was explained that the proposal was for the American management to borrow $35,000,000
from the R. F. C., of which $15,000,000 would be utilized to pay off bank loans and notes,
and the balance of $20,000,000 to go to the British Treasury. The information was developed, however, that this transaction would not involve a transfer of control from the
British group to the American management. The proposal seemed to be somewhat of the

character of that originally discussed with respect to Viscose, the difference being

that Morgan and Company would have given a loan of $50,000,000 against Viscose, whereas

the present loan of $35,000,000 would be given by the R. F. C. against Brown and Williamson.

Discussing Brown and Williamson, Sir Edward made the point that this company had
done exceedingly well through having a splendid management which enabled it to prosper

in spite of the close competition which exists in the tobacco industry. He had the feeling that at least the two top men in this organisation would drop out if control changed.
At present this concern is curing some 200,000,000 pounds of tobacco. In this connection,
Sir Edward raised the basic question as to whether the Secretary definitely insisted that
British direct investments should actually be liquidated. That is, would the Secretary
be satisfied if practically the same amount of dollar exchange could be made available to
the British Treasury through a loan against the assets of the concern in question as
from a liquidation thereof. Mr. Morgenthau replied that this was a very important point
policy which he would necessarily have to think over, and upon which he could give no
map judgment. At this point the Secretary was obliged to leave the group, with the
understanding that they would continue to discuss any further points which the British
desired to raise.

Before leaving, he thanked the visitors warmly for coming in, and emphasized to
Mesers. Peacock and Gifford that they should feel free to call on him whenever they have
any questions, and that such a long period of time should not be permitted to lapse betreen visits hereafter.

The following notes cover the points dealt with after the Secretary retired from

the meeting. For his convenience these points are arranged under topical headings.

In approaching the various categories of investments which he has to handle, Sir
Edward Peacock pointed out that the Viscose had been the natural one to take first since
it is comparatively simple in make-up, and there had been the pressure to dispose of
something substantial within a given time. The Secretary had confirmed the circumstances,
pointing out that he had not been able to go before Congress and give testimony on the
appropriation phase of the Lease Lend arrangement in the absence of concrete results in
the British liquidation program. The sale of Viscose had come at a very opportune moment
and the publicity which had been given thereto had been exceptionally good and well
handled. On this point, Sir Edward explained that he and Harold Stanl ey had actually
seen the press people but that a Morgan man had been chiefly responsible for working out
the publicity. Sir Edward added that the other concerns which he had chosen to work arrival on

4a sequence were the larger industrial ones. He had, however, learned since his
TO that two of those from which most important returns could have been expected are
sside of his control due to their status of Dutch ownership. These are Lever Brothers
and Dutch-Shell. There remain a few comparatively large industrial concerns on his list.

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SIZE LIMIT FOR TRANSACTIONS

concerns
are
to
be
Sir
raised the as to consider

Considering the large amount of work involved in having expert accountants and

engineers investigate question to whether and it properties might not which be advisable liquidated, dealing Edward with

properties of a certain minimum market value. He thought that some minimum could be
determined below which the work and difficulties involved would be so great as to
negative the advantages of endeavoring to liquidate. He had no definite minimum limit
in mind, but took the level of $500,000 as an example. He thought it would be a great
relief to the concerns involved if it could be let known that there is no plan contemplated for the disposal by the British of concerns having a value below the fixed
sinimum. At present, he said there was much nervousness on the part of all Britishcontrolled concerns in this country, with some of them losing business, and others losing
employees, particularly skilled labor, to war industries and other establishments offering

more permanent or attractive employment.

CONCERNS DEPENDING ON FUNDS RAISED IN ENGLAND

Sir Edward set forth the problem involved in trying to dispose of a branch or
Agency in this country, such as one handling the sale of rubber, which depended entirely
upon the parent concern in London raising the credit therefor. He felt that if the

American concern was detached from the English parent which raised the credit, there would

little liquidating value.

COMPANIES WITH VALUABLE TRADE MARKS AND GOOD WILL

As another category of difficult concerns to deal with, Peacock reported that there
vere certain concerns which if detached from the British parents might retain their
present names and compete disastrously on the world market with the British parent concorns, especially where a world organization is involved.
PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE

As another category, Peacock mentioned an individual in New York with a splendid
business reputation and standing who together with British Metals constitutes the American
part of the parent British concern. Much of the value of this establishment consists of
the American's personal standing. How could such a business be easily liquidated?
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH

Sir Edward mentioned Burroughs and Welcome as an old established British concern

taking high-class pharmaceutics which devotes an important part of its profits to scientifie research in the matter of developing drugs of a benefit to humanity. Would the
American Government insist upon the liquidation in the United States of the American part
this organization which shares in the research work of the parent concern?
FAMILY CONNECTIONS

Sir Edward Peacock cited one instance in which a business has been carried on by
IF generations of two families, one British and the other American. The relationship
between these two families has been so close over successive generations that the

281
-5children in the American family are given the names of the British family and viceversa. Is it to the advantage of anyone that such connections be interrupted?
PUBLISHERS

Difficulty would also be experienced in liquidating such publishing concerns as
Kemillan and Company and the Oxford Press. The risk would be taken of German or other
mdesirable interests buying out Macmi llan's and perhaps utilizing their newly-acquired

interest for disseminating propaganda or policies inimical to Great Britain. Should
rich an educational setup as the Oxford Press be required to pass from British control!
INSURANCE COMPANIES

Peacock admitted that he had put insurance companies at the bottom of his list since
exceptional difficulties would be involved in disposing of them. There are some forty
British concerns operating in the United States. It would be absolutely impossible to
dispose of all of these in a comparatively short period of time, even if this were found
desirable. The British have depended upon three sources of invisible income items:
(1) Shipping: (2) Finance and (3) Insurance. The first two are now practically nonexistent with war conditions and the British exchange control. The third would suffer heavily

If liquidation of the American affiliates of British insurance companies is carried out.

Not only would Great Britain lose the income from the insurance business, but would also
lose certain foreign trade and other advantages which their insurance agents are able to
them. Peacock emphasized the degree to which insurance is a matter of agents,
her than of parent concerns. That is, the agent attracts the business largely because
his own standing and connections and the individual is not particular as to the choice

the insuring firm. Peacock feels that if liquidation were forced agents of some of

the British concerns might leave in a group and procure new backing with the result that

skeleton would be left which had little value. If the policy of permitting loans against
assets of British concerns, rather than requiring definite liquidation, is found

acceptable by the Secretary, something could be more easily done with the insurance compa-

kies, either through their borrowing on their individual credit, or under an omnibus
scheme. Peacock thought that the first alternative of individual borrowing would be

referable.

COMPLICATED SETUPS

As another instance of difficult cases, Peacock chose the example of the important
ritish borax concern, which owns half interest in a potash company, which in turn holds
arious properties in the United States. He has sent for the head man in the British
company to come to the United States to help do something with this concern. There are
ther instances similarly complicated. At this point Mr. White made the suggestion that
It might be practicable not to make any definite statement as to what are the difficult
ases, but for the British to proceed with the easier cases and solve the difficult ones

their turn for liquidation arrives.

AMERICAN LEGISLATION

Without questioning the fairness of our American laws, Peacock pointed out that
180 prevented him in many instances from endeavoring to dispose of British concerns to
the most likely purchasers, namely, the competing American concerns. If it were not

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-

our anti-trust laws some of these transactions would be comparatively simple. The
RATE possibility of new ownership of some of these British controlled concerns, is,
lovever, causing some communities to become worried. For instance, the Mayor of a city

store a million-dollar British controlled firm is operating has written in complaining
that acquisition of this plant by a competing American concern might result in the closing
Lown of the plant and the loss of this industry to the community. Skilled workmen are
Leaving organisations of this type in view of the risk of their being discharged under
conditions that would follow liquidation.
AMERICAN TRUST ARRANGEMENTS

Sir Edward vas happy to report that a very generous gesture had been made by the

lstor family with respect to real estate held in trust for them under American trust
arrangements. That is, the four members of the Astor family who are the principal beneficiaries under such arrangements have written to their trustees in the United States
affering to have their property liquidated with the understanding that the dollar proceeds go to the British Treasury and they accept sterling. Sir Edward made the point
that the British have no control over such trust funds, but would be naturally delighted
If the American trustees may see fit to approve. In this connection Mr. Stewart raised
question and Phillips replied that the arrangement with respect to direct investments
different somewhat from that through which the British Government vests title in martable securities. Further legislation required with respect to the direct investments
now under consideration.

PHILIPPINE RAILWAYS

Sir Edward raised the question of Philippine railways. Mr. Cochran explained that

representatives of White, Weld and Company had called on him again yesterday and he had

inferred them a second time to the Export Import Bank, since there was no chance of the
liabilisation Fund helping in the proposed transaction of the Philippine Government
rising $10,000,000 on the American market to purchase from British holders a block of
heir securities held on the English market. Peacock said that he would be most appredistive of anything which the American Government could do to facilitate this transaction.
3. Cochran remarked that he had taken this matter up with the Export Import Bank, follow-

conversation with Mr. Gifford, and upon the initial visit of Mr. Kimber of White,
eld and Company to his office. It had been ascertained that there was little liklihood
the Export Import Bank helping in this case unless it could be developed that some

sport or import transaction involved. Mr. Cochran reminded the British guests that

3. White was
therepresentative
on the Export
Import
Treasury
was Bank
Board and was Mr. kept White
aformed of conversations with Mr. Gifford and the White Weld representatives.
subted whether this transaction could be handled by the Export Import Bank without a
roader interpretation of its authority but raised the question as to whether the R.F.C.
light not do something.
REPORTING SECURITY SALES

In answer to Mr. Cochran's question, Mr. Gifford stated that following his converation with Mr. Cochran last Saturday he had taken up the matter with J. P. Morgan and
company and it had been arranged that the latter get in touch with the Federal Reserve
t of New York and give the latter such information with respect to sales of British
ested American securities as the Federal might require. Mr. Gifford assured

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Cochran that this did not embarrass him in any way. At 4 o'clock this afternoon
H. Cochran gave this message to Mr. Knoke with the observation that both Mr. Gifford and
Norgan and Company apparently were anxious to meet our requirements, now that any misunderstandings have been cleared up.

CONCLUSION

It was agreed that Mr. Cochran should prepare this memorandum for the Secretary's
Immediate information and for possible use in connection with his conversation tomorrow

with Mr. Jesse Jones, since the British look to the latter to explain to the Secretary
the present status of negotiations with Brown and Williamson. The British, in turn,
agreed to prepare a detailed memorandum upon the problems which they expounded to the

treasury group today, submitting concrete examples of the problems involved. It was
folt that the meeting had been quite helpful in covering considerable ground. The
british officials.were appreciative of the opportunity for an exchange of views.

I

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April 9, 1941
3:23 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Gifford and Phillips and they don't
know an awful lot and I told them that I

was going to hear from you tomorrow, and
they said as soon as I heard from you, they'd
like very much to hear from me.

Secretary

Jones:

I see.

H.M.Jr:

The main thing though was that they told
me - I asked them point-blank had they put
any pressure on Brown and Williamson and

J:

H.M.Jr:

they said absolutely not, and this story
that they told them that they had to close
last Friday just wasn't 80 and that they
had not put any particular pressure on them.
They had a letter from their lawyer,
Colonel Hartfield intimating that - saying
that they could borrow $35 million from you.
Yeah. I haven't agreed with them on any
figures but I've discussed it. They were
talking about a substantially higher figure.
I see. Now what they were going to do was
to see what - they may start to make inquiries
what they think the company is worth if they

sold it outright.

J:

H.M.Jr:
J:

Yeah.

But I'll wait until I hear from you.
All right. Now, are you going to be in
Friday?

H.M.Jr:

I'll be here Friday forenoon.

J:

Well, now tomorrow being Cabinet day I might
not be ready.

H.M.Jr:

Well, do you want to set a time for Friday

J:

Yes, I'd like to.

forenoon now?

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-2H.M.Jr:

Because I get booked up fairly solid. I
don't know, I haven't talked to my wife,

but I thought maybe Good Friday as a good
Jew I ought to go away.
J:

O.K. I think it's all right.

H.M.Jr:

I mean Friday afternoon.

J:

That's all right.

H.M.Jr:

How about 10:45?

J:

That'11 be all right for me.

H.M.Jr:

Jesse Jones, 10:45. Thank you.

J:

O.K.

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April 9, 1941
4:00 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Major Smith.

Major
Smith:

Yes, Mr. Secretary. How are you?

H.M.Jr:

S:

H.M.Jr:

S:

H.M.Jr:

Fine. Major, I wonder if the War Department
couldn't give me a little quicker service
in that these cables for instance that leave
London the 4th, dated the 5th in Washington,
I receive them this morning the 9th.
Why, yes, Mr. Secretary. I didn't know
there was that much delay on them. I
haven't been opening them lately.
I have this one before me in regard to

gasoline. It says London, filed the 4th,
received at the War Department 11:40 the
5th, and I got it at 10:44 on the 9th.

Yes, indeed, Mr. Secretary.
That's about the way all of them have been

running; that's a little worse though than
some. I tell you, I've got cables here

received at the War Department on the 7th,

I got those today, and if you don't mind
my saying it, that's one day longer than
necessary.

S:

No, we can hurry them over. I think part
of that may be if the messenger goes over
there and doesn't find - happens to get
there when the Aide is not in, why he
doesn't leave them; he brings them back.
It may be that sometimes our messengers

hold them up a day longer too.
H.M.Jr:

Would you check up because in these times
when things are moving 80 fast, the cables

that you got in in the morning, if I could

have them the same day I'd appreciate it.
S:

Yes, Mr. Secretary. We can fix that.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you very much.

S:

You're quite welcome, sir.

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TO:

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a conferen
a tomorrow
1100 to
1145

for am,
Present are to be:
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Was
"

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Harry Naplkins
From: LIEUT.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Washington
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE,

Wednesday, April 9, 1941.

Press Service
No. 24-51

William F. Green, president of the American Federation of
Labor, this afternoon promised Secretary Morgenthau that his
organization would put its whole-hearted support behind the sale
of Defense Savings Bonds and Stamps. The new bonds and stamps will

be ready for distribution and sale on May 1,
Mr. Green said that he intended to issue an endorsement of
the Defense Savings program to all the A. F. of L. unions, and
through them to their 4,000,000 members. In addition, he offered
to distribute pamphlets, posters and other information to all A. F.
of L. members, and to include news of the Defense Savings program

in A. F. of L. publications. Mr. Green told the Secretary that he
considered the financing of the defense program a "noble cause"
which would appeal to the workingmen of America.

"Nothing could be finer for national psychology at this time,"
Mr. Green said to the Secretary. He added that he was sure the

A. F. of L. unions would wish to buy Savings Bonds with their union
funds and would also enoourage their members to buy as individuals,
Secretary Morgenthau assured Mr. Green that none of the
pressures exerted by employers on employees during the 1917-1918

Liberty Loan sales would be used in the present Defense Savings

effort. The buying of Defense Bonds and Stamps, he said, must be

entirely voluntary.
At the end of their fifteen-minute talk, Mr. Morgenthau said
that he thought Mr. Green's offer was highly encouraging for the
success of the Defense Savings program.

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visited any Secretary of the Treasury.

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APR 9 1941

My dear Mr. Secretary:
In the sale of Defense Bonds and Stamps to
finance the National Defense Program, the support

of the farm population is urgently needed.
-

our campaign begine May 1, and it would help
greatly if on that day you would personally broadeast a message to the farmers.
We would like to have you speak from Washingtea on the National Farm and Home Hour (Thursday,

May 1) for eight or ten minutes. Our staff will

gladly suggest the material to be used in the talk.

will you please let me know whether you could
conveniently make this talk for us?
Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.
The Honorable,

The Secretary of Agriculture.
HNG/mff
CC to Mr. Thompson

My
2.kc

Dispatched from Mr. Graves' office

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 9. 1941
Secretary Morgenthau
FROM

Mr. Cochran

CONFIDENTIAL

Registered sterling transactions of the reporting banks were as follows:
Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns

£81,000

£ 6,000

Open market sterling was first quoted at 4.03-1/2. During the afternoon, it
moved to 4.03-1/4, and closed at that level. Transactions of the reporting banks
were as follows:

Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns

£ 3,000
-0-

There was an improvement in the Cuban peso to 4-7/8% discount, as compared
with 5-1/8% yesterday.

In New York, the closing rates for the foreign currencies listed below were

follows:

Canadian dollar
Swiss franc (commercial)
Swedish krons
Reichsmark

Lira

Argentine peso (free)

Brazilian milreis (free)

Mexican peso

12-7/8% discount
.2322
.2384
.4005
.0505
.2325
.0505
.2066

In Shanghai, the yuan in terms of our currency was quoted at 5-5/16 off
1/32#. Sterling advanced 1-1/2$ to 3.94-1/2.
There were no gold transactions consummated by us today.

The State Department forwarded a cable to us stating that the Chase Bank,
Bongkong, shipped $1,518,000 in gold from Hongicong to the Chase National Bank,

Bank
of
valued
at
was
us
and we that the consignee is to
the was shipped for account

Central San Francisco. We China. have A been similar informed shipment, that gold $628,000. reported of by the

Reserve sold to the San Francisco

as Federal on March 24, Bank have of New since York.
Instead of
being
be changed
to Mint,
the
willlearned
be melted
and
refined
by the
Mint,

in originally accordance
reported, the latter
gold the
with arrangements
made,

and

New York Assay Office will deliver an
quivalent amount of gold to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to be earmarked for
be account of the Central Bank of China. It is likely that the shipment of $1,518,000 will

handled in similar fashion on its arrival in San Francisco.

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To were informed that the Bombay gold price for April 5 was equivalent to
$34.68, representing a decline of 63# from the quotation of March 29. Silver was

from it is to note

equivalent to 44.41 on April 5. off 7/16 According to a cable received from

Boabay, the decline in the silver quotation was due primarily to sales

imports America, In this connection, interesting that against the

Bureau of Foreign and Domestic Commerce reported on April 8 that four shipments of
refined silver bullion, containing a total of 1,572,000 ounces, had been made from
New York to Bombay.

In London, a price of 23-1/2d was again fixed for spot silver. The forward
motation was 23-7/16a, off 1/16d. The U.S. equivalents were 42.67 and 42.56
respectively.

Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was unchanged at 34-3/40.
The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was also unchanged at 35$.
Te made one purchase of silver amounting to 150,000 ounces under the Silver
Purchase Act. This consisted of new production from foreign countries, for forward
delivery.

M unif
CONFIDENTIAL

Treasury Department

293

Division of Monetary Research
Date
To:

April 10,

41
19

Secretary Morgenthau
The appended memorandum was prepared

mainly to straighten out our own records of
Belgian gold holdings. Perhaps its most puzz-

ling conclusion is this:

The $260 million of gold which the Belgians
are claiming from French earmarkings in this
country is more than they are known to have
transferred to the French and, added to the
amounts they have in the United States and in

the custody of the British, would bring their
total gold holdings to about $775 million. This
is about $25 million more than they are known
to have had all together.

HDW

MR. WHITE

Branch 2058 - 210

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 9, 1941.

TO

Mr. White

FROM

Mr. Felsenthal

Subject: Belgian Gold Holdings
I.

Belgian gold holdings as reported by various sources total between
$700 million and $751 million. An unknown portion of Belgian gold
deposited with the French Government at Dakar, French West Africa, has
been turned over to the Germans. The total of $700 million to $751
million does not take transfers from Dakar to the Germans into account.

The distribution of the gold holdings as reported by three different
sources is given in the following table. Allowance must be made for discrepancies in this table because of slight differences in the points of
time for which the data have been taken.

Federal
Reserve
Bank

British

National
Bank of 1

Embassy

Belgium

(In millions of dollars)
Gold held in U.S. (earmark)

167

Gold held in England
Gold held in Dakar
Total

168
348
184

734

700

734

Special Fund of the
Belgian Treasury
Total

17

751

734

Belgian gold claims against France according to our information amount

to roughly $223 million at present. This would be $37 million less than
reported Belgian gold claims against France. It was reported in the New York
Times article of February 6 that the exiled Belgian Government has put its
gold claims against France at $260 million. According to the New York Times
story from London under a March 22, 1941, date line, the Belgian claims
against France were about $233 million. This figure would come closer to
our estimates.

The "gold-exchange rate" of 1 belga = $0.1695 is used for all figures
given in belgas. This exchange rate was the official conversion rate

between April 1936 and December 1939. Cable transfer quotations in New
York were somewhat lower (1 belga - $0.1674) on the latest available date,
May 1940. Source: Federal Reserve Bulletin, September 1940 and March 1941.
.

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II.
Information on Belgian Gold Holdings
1.

Summary of weekly statement of National Bank of Belgium of
June 25, 1940 (reprinted in Honatsbericht, Schweizerische

Nationalbank No. 12, Dec. 15, 1940, p.44). Gold, foreign
exchange and gold-values (or, devises etrangeres et valeursor).

In million belgas
In million dollars

4,423
750

The same statement is reprinted in the Monthly Bulletin of
Statistics of the League of Nations, Vol. XXI, No. 9,

Sept. 1940, p. 330.
2.

Federal Reserve Bulletin, Jan. 1941.
Since June 1940

Gold and foreign exchange

(In millions of dollars)
734

Treasury gold fund

17

(total)

751

3. Weekly report of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
Jan. 29, 1941.

Belgian gold under earmark $166.8 million .
4.

Memorandum of Mr. Pinsent of the British Embassy to

Mr. Cochran, Nov. 25, 1940 (U. K. Gold files).

Million b
Gold in custody of
87

348

Eamarked in the U.S.A.

42

168

At Dakar

46

184

175

700

Bank of England

(total)
5.

Millions of dollars

Various other sources, particularly cables and consular
reports, contained the following information on Belgian
gold:

(a) Nov. 2, 1940. Financial Counselor of the British
Embassy reports that the Belgian Minister of

Finance has told British officials that the

Belgian gold holdings at Dakar amount to $184

million.
1

Exchange rate: B 1 - 34

1

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(b) Nov. 6, 1940. The American Consul at Daker
cabled that 1,500 kilos of gold were shipped
by air from Dakar to Marseilles (approximately $1.848 million).
Whether this gold was a part of the
Belgian or other gold holdings is not stated.
(c) Nov. 24, 1940. The American Consul at Dakar
reports that 4,994 cases of gold belonging to
the Belgian Central Bank were removed from

Dakar.

(d) Nov. 25, 1940. The American Embassy at Vichy,
France, cabled the content of an interview with
Rueff in which he mentioned that the Germans
have demanded surrender of the Belgian gold
now at Dakar.

(e) Dec. 28, 1940. The American Embassy at Vichy,
France, cabled that the French authorities gave
consent to turn over to the Germans the Belgian
gold holdings at Dakar provided the transaction
was approved by the National Bank of Belgium,
which has however refused consent. The French
then agreed to deliver the Belgian gold at Dakar
to the Germans without the approval of the Bank
of Belgium.

In the same cable the former counselor of
the Belgian Embassy at Paris is reported to have
stated that the Belgian gold at Daker represent-

ing the total gold stock at Brussels at the time

of invasion amounted to about 7 billion Belgian
francs ($237 million).

(f) Jan. 2, 1941. American Embassy at Vichy, France,
cable. Couve de Murville, head of the foreign
financial services of the French Treasury stated
that the Belgian gold formerly at Dakar and now
being turned over to Germany had a total value

of about 8 billion French francs ($189 million).

(g) Jan. 28, 1941. American Embassy at Vichy, France,
cable. Belgian gold worth 8 billion French francs
($189 million) was shipped to Dakar in the Spring

of 1940. Most of it is still in North Africa.

The French have deliberately slowed down deliveries
to Germany.

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(h) Jan. 31, 1941. American Embassy at Vichy, France,
cable. A French commercial pilot stated that he
had flown part of the Belgian gold to France, from
Oran to Marseilles. The Germans have received

150 million French francs (approximately $3 million).

III.
The Federal Reserve Board's figures on the Belgian gold holdings are
based on the report of Governor Janssen of the National Bank of Belgium
in the half-yearly balance sheet of the Bank, issued June 25, 1940, summarized in the B. I. S. Press Review of September 9, 1940. The B. I. S.
review is based on a Frankfurter Zeitung article of September 6, 1940.

In the report, Governor Janssen gives the following figure:
Million
Belgian gold held abroad

Million

Belgian francs

Dollars

24,350

734

If the gold held in the Special Treasury Fund of $17 million which
Governor Janssen does.nnot mention, is added to the $734 million, the total
would be in accord with the previously given figures. Whether or not the
Treasury fund can be added, cannot be determined at this time because of
lack of information.
Between May 8th (the date of the prior statement of the Bank) and
June 25, gold worth 1,487 million Belgian francs had been given to
the Bank of France for the exchange of Belgian against French bank-notes,
presumably brought in by Belgian refugees in France. B F 452 million
worth of gold may return to Belgium since the Belgian bank-notes not yet
handed over to the Belgian National Bank on June 25th were being used by
the Bank of France for re-exchange against French bank-notes. A further
item entitled "gold reserves at the Bank of France", amounting to B F 558

million still belonged to the Belgian National Bank. It was intended for

the purpose of covering the exchange of Belgian against French bank-notes
and any advances which the French Treasury may want to extend to the

Belgian Treasury.

In summary, the Bank of France still holds B F 558 million unutilized
Belgian gold. The Belgian coins and notes redeemed by the Bank of France
but not yet returned to the National Bank of Belgium amount to B F 452
million. They too may at least partly be claimed by the National Bank.
By adding the Dakar holdings to these claims against the Bank of France,
the total Belgian claims against France amount to $223 million, according to

our computations.

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IV.

The latest statistical reports of the Institute International du
Commerce of Brussels (January 20, 1941, p. 437) brings the figures on
Belgian gold up to date. The gold holdings (encaisse or) of the Banque
Nationale de Belgique of January 30, 1941, were belga 4,674 million
( = $792 million). No information has been received which would explain
the increment. It is suspected that the Banque Nationale has taken
account of the actual devaluation of the belga since the German invasion
of Belgium in terms of gold. Such a procedure would increase the belga-

value of the gold-holdings. An actual addition to the gold-holdings of
the Banque Nationale is very unlikely.

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Treasury Department

Division of Monetary Research

Date April 10, 1941
To:

Secretary Morgenthau

From:

Mr. White

19

The British Budget

The new British budget has several interesting
features:
1. Two million new income taxpayers are reached
by the reduction in the personal allowance from $680
to $560 for married persons and from $400 to $320 for
single, and by the reduction in the earned income allow-

ance from a sixth to a tenth.

2. "Forced saving# is introduced by allowing a
post-war credit of up to $260 on the above increases
in the income tax and of 20 percent in excess profit
tax net payments.

3. The rate on the first $660 of taxable income
is increased from 25 to 32-1/2 percent, and the socalled "standard" income tax rate is increased from

42 2 to 50 percent.

4. Total expenditures are estimated at $16.8 billion, or about 50 percent of the national income, but
do not include payment to us or Lend-Lease advances.

Over 80 percent of expenditures will be for war purposes. About 58 percent of expenditures will be
borrowed.

5. Government subsidies for stabilising prices
are to be extended from food to fuel, shipping and
railroad charges.

6. The monetary front is still quite sound and
the gross or average cost of borrowing is 2-1/2 percent
and the Chancellor said "we have no intention of borrowing on worse terms".

HOW

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 9, 1941

TO

Mr. White

FROM

Mr. Adler

Subject: The British Budget 1941-2

1.

British Budgets 1940-42

(In millions of dollars at $4 - 1)
1940-41

(Actual)
Revenue

Expenditure

Deficit

5,636
15,468
9,832

1941-42

(Estimated)
7,144
16,828
9,684

Percentage Increase
1941-2 on 1940-41
+ 26.8

+ 8.8

- 1.5

2. The expenditures for 1941-2 are not strictly comparable with those
of 1940-41, as they do not include either the value of products becoming
available under Lend-Lease or payments to the United States under existing
orders. With these two items the Chancellor indicated that total expenditures would far exceed $20 billion. (From April 1940 to March 31, 1941,
the B.P.C. will have spent here over $1.8 billion.) Even without these
items they will absorb about 50 percent of the national income.

3. Of the budgeted expenditures of $16,828 million, $14 billion,
or 83.2 percent, were for strictly war purposes, $1,740 million, or 10.3
percent for civil purposes, and $1,088 million, or 6.5 percent, for
interest and management of debt. The actual domestic expenditure is

estimated at $14.8 billion, which would leave about $12 billion of the
total $14 billion of war expenditures to be spent in the United Kingdom

itself. The Chancellor rightly indicated that it is the figure of $14.8

billion of domestic expenditures which is relevant in considering the
"inflationary gap". In the first year total domestic expenditures were
$8.22 billion, and in the first half of the second year of war at the
annual rate of $12.76 million.

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Division of Monetary
Research

4. The only major tax changes are in the income tax.

(a) The standard rate is increased from 42-1/2 percent to
50 percent, and the rate on the first $660 of taxable income from
25 percent to 32-1/2 percent.
(b) Relief for earned income is reduced from one-sixth, with

a maximum allowance of $1000 to one-tenth, with a maximum allowance

of $600.

(c) The personal allowance is reduced from $680 to $560 for
married persons and from $400 to $320 for single, and the exemption
limit is reduced from $480 to $440.
The changes in (b) and (c) bring in 2 million new taxpayers, and
all three changes will produce about $400 million this year and $500

million in a full year. Income tax will yield about $3 billion.

5. The increases in taxation under 4(b) and (c) up to a maximum
of 260 are to be treated as a credit to be available to the taxpayers
after the War. In this way the Keynesian proposal for "forced saving"
is being introduced, though on a lower scale than Keynes recommended
and by a different method. A 20 percent post-war credit on excess profits
tax net payments is also allowed (without a maximum limit).

Thus a substantial amount of current income tax receipts represents

in fact additional borrowing.

6. As in previous war budgets the estimated expenditures and

deficit will probably turn out to be too low, if the war continues.

7. Gross savings yielded $5.34 billion in 1940-41 and net savings
about $4-1/2 billion. The weekly average of gross savings has increased

about 50 percent since the beginning of the savings campaign in November

1939. The rate of saving is now running at about $6.4 billion per annum
and is expected to run at about $7-1/2 billion for the whole fiscal year.
The Chancellor optimistically hopes that the forced saving devices he is
using may actually increase voluntary saving.

8. The Chancellor claimed that the monetary front is still quite
sound and there is no immediate threat of inflation.

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Division of Monetary
Research

(a) Rates of interest are low and much smaller than in the
last war. (In 1916 Treasury Bill rates reached 6 percent -- now
they are 1-1/8 percent lower.) The gross or average cost of borrowing is now 2-1/2 percent, "and we have no intention of borrowing on
worse terms."
(b) The Government is controlling prices and raw materials
concentrating production, and also using taxation and "forced saving"

to curtail civilian consumption.

(c) The Government is spending $400 million a year to stabilize
food prices and will spend more this year to stabilize fuel and
shipping prices and probably railroad charges. The aim is to keep
the cost of living index down to the present level of 25 to 30 percent above pre-war.

(d) If estimated revenue yields are realized and expenditures
not exceeded and savings amount to the optimistic estimate of
$7-1/2 billion, the inflationary gap between revenue and domestic
expenditure will have been eliminated.

(Source: Cable No. 1374, London, April 7.)

Mille

REPORT No. 24

303

give to
TIFE OF AIRCRAFT

DATE: Wednesday April 9, 1941

KEEKLY REPORT OF ACCEPTED AIRCRAFT

COMPILED FROM TELEGRAMS RECEIVED FROM L.L.D. INSPECTORS' REPORT ON PRODUCTION PROGRESS AT 4 P.M. EVERY TURSDAY

CONTRACT
NUMBER

DELIVERIES

NUMBERED

CUMULATIVE

ORDERED

CONTRACTUAL

kakas

IPPROXIMATE

FOR WEEK

STATUS

TOTAL

DELIV

DUE

4-218

170

Breaster "Buffalo"

A-71

170

2 1/2 months

58

170

127

8

Ball "Airsoobre"

behind

3 Allison 3 enginee on hand, Deliveries of aircraft directly governed by further engine
deliveries,
Firm could deliver at 3/day, were enginee available, bet anticipated engine
deliveries

3 months

Anticipate 18 deliveries during April, Balance of a/o deliveries dependent upon receipt of

behind
A-642

147

450

-

Browster *Berauda
340

A-64

960

680

631

-

Curtise-Fright

A-1835

560

12

Grumman

A-1548

100

13

4-224

400

"Kilty Bank

9

Protety U.S. New folding wing design to Or shortly, our production to follow, Possible 5 in April

1/2 months

-

24

148

150

150

3

F-272

50

24

Boeing #B-17-C*

A-5077

20

20

Boeing *314

4-967

3

"Cheesepeake V 156*

1

1

2

26

12

40

&

59

12

3

8

A-37

Second Flying Boat should be delivered is Yas, third in June.

2 months

Firs production position on this craft should permit delivery in advance of contractual.

ahead

delivery schedule.

1 month

Same as above

ahead

"Catalina
18

3 weeks

3

AUS-58

4

Anticipated 1/mouth deliveries for next several months should be maintained.

behind

"Catalina"

7-677

139

F-294

100

20

1 month
behind

4

20

3

F-677

"Laberator I°
Consolidated

2 Weeks

3

P-210

Anticipate 2 to 3 deliveries weekly.

behind

"Catalina"

Consolidated

Anticipate 2 deliveries next week to complete.

3 complete with self-sealing tanks delivered, and 17 balance should be ready for delivery in April

Dying Boat"

Consolidated

1 1/2 months

20

.

Consolidated

Lack of extrusions, eastings, and forgings likely to cause serious delay of production A/O.
Production aircraft deliveries articipated 12 in July, One each prototype expected April and May

2 months
behind

3

F-229

Consolidated

behind

behind

Maryland 167

United Aircraft

First 680 now complete, with U.S. Arey requirements taking April production. Mequate provisioning of embodiment loan goviment will permit respection of deliveries with 6/day rate in May,

enclosering release, and lack of adeptable personnel, Anticipate no deliveries before June.

9 of 10 fixed wing a/o accepted to date, one fixed ving craft undergoing performance tests.

"Baltimore 187
Martin (Glenn)

2 Weeks

-

Martin (Glenn)

Subcontract tool program 90% let, but whole progres delayed considerably due Moda., late

1 month
behind

-

Curtise-Wright

Martlet II*

3 months
behind

ahead

"Tomabank"

engines,

Balance of 16 should be delivered in April and May.

9 in final assembly and will follow first 20 LB-308 diverted from U.S.

-

"Liberator II*
Douglas

100

97

See

-

reparks

"Havoo II*
300

14

A-1749

409

213

A-68

348

157

8

A-87

8

Douglas

"Beaton III*
Lookhead

160

23

*Rateon y
Lockheed

71*

"Hutson III*
Lockheed

600

A-242

"Lightning"

a

A-1451

9

9

1

Lookheed

125

6

Marrard II*

1 1/2 months

First 71 not long range should complete this month. Hudson T current and long range Budson III

320

will follow regular in July,

Antisipate prototype to fly shortly with production deliveries to begin May dependent on receipt
of materials, entodiment loan equipment, and purchased parts. U.S. Army program for R-38 N/C
RAY seriously affect Lichtaine deliveries.

2 Weeks

One delivery next week should complete contract.

1/2 months

-

A-250

19hof this month.

behind

ahead
-

North American

Rapid acceleration toward 4/day putput foressen. Long Range deliveries should begin about

1 month

8

A-457

2 months
behind

behind

"Lodestar"
North American

Rapid acceleration anticipated toward 3/day production.

4 1/2 months

133

667

1 month
behind

behind

55+

Contract complete except for serial numbers AN 431 and AH 463 which are held for test;
should be released in April,

34

behind

"Mustang"
CUMULATIVE
CONTRACTUAL

DELIVERIES
FOR TEXAS

TOTAL
DUE

Harvard II deliveries will continue against this contract with approxciately 16-20 a work, and
should complete in May contract E-704 will follow along is June After CAN 15 following 197 complete
Production demand now raised to permit delivery as airfrence due to non-delivery of Allison , 3R
Incines. AirCome to be stored partiar receipt of encloses.
16 Airfrence without engines.
Enginee installed in 6 previously reported airfrence.
Complete Airplanes.

DELIV

One reported in New York. Date of official
1955

1367

71

C.W. BW
Birector of
Airfress Production

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ONFIDENTIAL

(To Keep You Posted)

April 9, 1941
To:

The Secretary

From: Mr. Young

Re: British Aircraft Shipments
Attached herewith is the latest statement
of aircraft shipped to the United Kingdom
and other points. This statement shows the
number of planes which have been received

at the assembly points during the past week
P.Y.

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STATEMENT NO. 9

AIRCRAFT SHIPPED TO U. K. & OVERSEAS COMMANDS

By Sea
DESTINATION

TYPE

CURTISS

Tomahawk
CONSOLIDATED

Catalina
GLENN MARTIN

Maryland I

Middle East

ASSEMBLY
POINT

during week
ending

March 15/41

Alexandria

10

Takoradi

63

U. K.

U. K.

Middle East

Alexandria

6

Takoradi

9

Lockheed

Hudson III

U.K.

Hudson V

U.K.

By Air
during week
ending

April 5/41

7

U.K.

4

(via Gander)

TOTAL

British Air Commission
April 8, 1941

U.K.

2

90

11

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CONFIDENTIAL

(To Keep You Posted)

April 9, 1941

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

Re: British Aircraft Shipments
Attached herewith is the latest statement
of aircraft shipped to the United Kingdom and
other points. This statement shows the number
of planes which have been received at the assembly
points during the past week.
.

Dy.

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STATEMENT NO. 9

AIRCRAFT SHIPPED TO U. K. & OVERSEAS COMMANDS

By Sea

TYPE

DESTINATION

ASSEMBLY
POINT

Middle East

Alexandria

during week
ending

March 15/41

By Air
during week
ending

April 5/41

urtiss
Tomahawk

Takoradi

10
63

encolidated

U.K.

Catalina

U.K.

7

lenn Martin
Maryland I

Middle East

Alexandria

Takoradi

6

9

ockheed

ludson III

U.K.

Hudson V

U.K.

TOTAL

ritish Air Commission
pril 8, 1941

U.K.

4

(via Gander)
U.K.

2

90

11

RECEIVE
APR 9 1941
Treasury Department
Office of Philip Young

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 9, 1941

TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. White

Subject: German Exploitation of Denmark
There is transmitted herewith a memorandum on German

Exploitation of Denmark, prepared by Mr. E.H. Clark of
this Division.

Germany's record in Denmark is of peculiar interest
because of the Nazi claim that, if the nations of Europe
will only submit to German "leadership" without armed resistance, they will all enjoy the blessings of the "new
order". Denmark submitted, with the following results:
1. Germany has paid for her net imports of Danish
goods and for the expenses of her army of occupation by
giving the Danes Reichsmark credits which the Danes are
unable to use. These credits amounted, on March 1, 1941--

after approximately eleven months of German occupation-to roughly 1,100, 000, 000 kroner ($210,000,000). These cre-

dits are, in effect, forced long-term loans which amount
to nearly twice the kroner total of the ordinary national

budget and to approximately one quarter of the whole
national income of the country.

2. In 1940, Germany bought, over and above her 1939
imports, approximately 175 million pounds of butter, 600,000

live pigs, 12 million head of cattle, 200 million pounds of

bacon and ham, and 10 million chickens. In addition, she
requisitioned 700 locomotives, 9,000 freight and cattle
cars, 33,000 trucks, the patrol and torpedo boats of the
Danish navy and the important Danish shipyards. Further,
Germany obtained control of the 375,000 tons of Danish
merchant shipping still in Danish hands.
3. Since the invasion, taxes have been increased, but
the budget surplus of the fiscal year 1940 1s being conver-

ted into a large deficit for 1941. Industrial production

1s down 15 to 20 percent. Agriculture has been permanently

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Division of Monetary
Research

injured by the destruction of the livestock and poultry

capital of the country. Unemployment is high and may
reach a record in 1941. Bank notes and deposits have
expanded rapidly. Many goods, and especially fuels,

are scarce. The cost of living index has risen 22 per-

cent.

4. German interference with the daily life of the

people has been less harsh and obvious in Denmark than

in Norway or the Netherlands. Formally, Danish civil
administration goes on as before. However, the reality
of the Nazi control of the whole life of the country
is apparent to the Danish population, and they are not
reconciled to the indefinite continuance of Nazi rule.

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C

0

P

DEPARTMENT OF STATE

Y

WASHINGTON

Is reply refer to
is 840. 51 Frozen
Credits/1556

April 9, 1941

The Secretary of State presents his compliments to
the Honorable the Secretary of the Treasury and encloses
two copies of a paraphrase of telegram no. 131 dated
April 7, 1941 from the American Embassy at Chungicing,

regarding French funds which are frozen in the United
States.

Enclosure:

No. 131, April 7,
from Chungking. (2)

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PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Embassy, Chungking.

DATE: April 7, 1941, noon.
NO. : 131.

During a visit on April 5th the Counselor of the
French Embassy stressed the delicate situation facing
the French administration in the French Settlements
at Shanghai and Tientain and the French diplomatic and
consular service because the French are unable to secure
funds which up to this time had come through Indochina

and which are now held up or stopped by the freesing of
French funds by the United States. In my opinion the

situation is one which is deserving of special consideration on our part, and I hope that we will do whatever we
can to facilitate French peaceful control by promptly
remitting the required funds.
This telegram has been sent to the Department and
repeated to Shanghai and Peiping.
JOHNSON

EA:MSG
LG

Copy:b

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eht COPY

PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAN RECEIVED

FROM: American Embassy, (Paris) Vichy

DATE: April 9. 1941, 1 p.m.

NO.: 417
Reference is made to telegram of March 29, 6 p.m., no. 277 from the
Department.

On the fifteenth of March instructions were issued to banks by the

Foreign Exchange Office directing the banks to submit to it lists
giving the balances maintained with them by physical and moral persons

"French" of their holdings in "8" foreign currencies and sterling, as of
April 30, 1940 and February 28, 1941. Physical and moral persons "French"
are described as French and foreign residents of France, French companies,

and foreign companies in so far as concerns the branches or offices
maintained in France by the foreign companies.

An arrete of April 30, 1940 gave the definition for "a" foreign
currencies (see May telegram and despatch to the Department). These

currencies included the currencies of the British Empire - except Canada,
Hong Kong and Newfoundland - Egypt, Iraq, and Anglo-Egyptian Sudan:

belgas, Luxemburg francs, Dutch florins, Dutch East Indies florins,
Canadian dellars, Swiss francs, America dollars, Argentine pesos,

Portuguese escudos. It is stated in the instruction of the Foreign
Exchange Office that these data are necessary for administering the recent
law concerning settling debts which are payable in foreign currencies.

This statement is corroborated by a high official in the Finance Ministry,
who asserts emphatically that the Germans were not responsible for the

issuance of the instruction.

BY

Usually the Foreign Exchange Office gives banks in the unoccupied

territory permission to transfer to the United States the dollar balances
belonging to American citizens who have given up their residence in this
country. END MESSAGE.

LEAHY.

EA:LWW

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BRITISH EMBASSY,
WASHINGTON, D.C.

April 9th, 1941.
PERSONAL

AND SECRET

Dear Mr. Secretary,

I enclose herein for your personal
and secret information a copy of the latest
report received from London on the military
situation.
Believe me,

Dear Mr. Secretary,

Very sincerely yours,

Halifex
The Honourable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

United States Treasury,
Washington, D. C.

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TELEORAM FION LONDON DATED AFRIL 7TH, 1941.

HAVEL. Greek 7,000 ton ship in convoy

attacked by aircraft 170 miles northwest of Bloody
Foreland A.M. April 6th. Believed hit by torpedoes

still aflat and considered salvageable.
2.
on April 0th air attacks on shipping east
coast continued. One big ship damaged, one small

sunk by bomb. Piraous air raided night of April 6th/
April 7th. Three ships hit, several burnt out, one
ship blowing up along side caused many fires ashore

and on ships. Forth had sailed earlier. Calcutta and
Ajax reported safe sailed magnificently through thick
smoke and over mines.
3.

Three escorted French serchant vessels all

with troops and one other ship passed Gibraltar west=

bound P.M. April 6th.
At 7.30 A.M. April 6th, three Gersan des4.

troyers attacked by coastal aircraft off Cherbourg.
One hit foreward with bomb not seen to e xplode. At
12.30 Beaufort torpedoed one destroyer accompanying

shipe; heavy anti-aireraft fire prevented waiting to
see results.
Brest at 2.00 p.m. April 6th. One battle
5.
cruiser Oneisenau was undocked and lying Rade d'Abri.

At 6.30 P.M. ship believed to be tanker close alongside
her.
c.

MILITARY. At 6.00 P.M. April 6th enemy

positions reliably reported as follows: XL Aray Corps
advanting on Skopljey second armoured division from
PETRIC advancing westward in the direction of STIP.

Opposition in this sector reported alight. Sixth
mountain division east of Lake Doiran and believed

saving southward. This division being not by
determined/

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determined counter attacks. Fifth mountain division

with one infantry effectively blocked in Rupel Pass
in spite of heavy German divo bombing attacks. Enemy
thought to have suffered c onsiderable casualties here.
No reference to any enemy movements in N. Yugoslavia.
7.

LIBYA. On April 6th enemy force of one lorry

borne battalion with light artillery attacked NECHILI
but was repulsed. Later six enemy tanks reported
shelling MECHILI and enemy column of more than 150

lorries with its head ten miles east of ZT. MSUS

reported. 5 p.m. Position obscure.
ERITREA. Same day British officer met
Italian Admiral in Massawa who r efused terms for

8.

surrender. Operations against town continued at
1 P.M. on April 6th.
9.

ROYAL AIR FORCE. April 6th. Shipping off

the Dutch Coast and Steel Works in Holland success-

fully attacked. During offensive patrols by fighters
over northern France aerodrome and military objectives
machine gunned; one ME 110 probably destroyed and one
ME 109 damaged.
10.

Night of April 6th/April 7th. 114 aircraft

sent out of which 71 were for Brest, weather unfavourable. Other targets included a erodrones and Calais

harbour. One aircraft missing.
LIBYA. On April 4th/April 5th six heavy
11.
bombers attacked Tripoli harbour and hit power station.
12.

GERMAN AIR FORCE. Night of April 6th/April 7th

51 enemy aircraft (40 mine laying) plotted.
13.

Two eneay aircraft damaged by fighters

during the day and one at night.

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RESTRICTED

G-2/2657-220

M.I.D., W.D.,
April 9, 1941

No. 361

12:00 M.

SITUATION REPORT

I.

Western Theater of War.

Air: German. Strong attacks were made over England last
night, with the main concentration directed against Coventry.

British. Last night the R.A.F. repeated its heavy
attack on Kiel. Emden, Bremerhaven and Rotterdam were also raided.

II.

Balkan Theater of War.

Ground: German forces entered Salonika at 4:00 A.M.,
April 9th. The German High Command announces that all Greek forces
east of the Vardar have capitulated. German troops have captured
Skopule and thus severed communications between Greece and Yugo-

slavia. Another German column has captured Nish and is now threatening Belgrade from the south. A junction between the German Army

and the Italian forces in Albania should shortly be attained.

German troops are invading Yugoslavia from south-

ern Austria. The city of Maribor (Marburg), in Slovenia, has been
captured.

Albania. Apparently only local activity involving
Italian, Greek and Yugoslav forces.
Air: German close support and strategic bombing continued
in Yugoslavia. Apparently only close support in Macedonia.

III.

Mediterranean and African Theaters of War.

Ground: Libya. Axis forces are pushing on toward Tobruk,
former Italian naval base 77 miles southeast of Derna.
Eritrea. Massaua, important Italian Red Sea port,
has been captured by British forces.

Note: This military situation report is issued by the Military Intelligence Division, General Staff. In view of the occasional inclusion of political information and of opinion it is classified as
Restricted.

RESTRICTED

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317

Paraphones of Code Callegreen
Received at the New Department

at 7:48, April 9, 1942

London, filed April 9. 1941.

1. atr activity - the Continent
s Day Light April s. British air activity was limited to

booking attacks - traffic off the Betheriande and military
objectives in Danish Netherianda and compied French parte. Destruc-

time included a - at a Harregian airfield.
Right of April 7.6. Beeking attacks were made on airfields
in compled France and on the Channel Coast, Heavy soate booking of

the dedgards at Keil, Endon and remited in very serious
destruction, The hundred beature took part in the said
- Keil and 36 elembare over German parts.

2. activity - Britain

s Might of April so Information is looking as to the

destruction a in small raids in the viainity of Dristal.
Heavy Contain booking attacks were nade over the Midlands especially
over Coventry.

Daylight April s. German air activity was limited to attacks
- seaborne traffic on the east coast and accuting patrols ever the
east and southeast coast of Regiant. Information is looking as to
resultant damage.

Right of April 7.6. Clanger and Chydeside was the targete

for healty Certion booking. A large fire was reported in - shipped
Short's Airplane Fastary at Reshester suffered light damage in suide

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which also included Belfast and Thomashaven. 011 storage facilities

were not fire in the latter visinity. In all 395 German bombose was
employed over Britain,

so Me I British
s Right of April 78. Five planes failed to return
after mide over General.

4 - Right of April as. Night pursuit formations
I for five Common please destroyed and one damaged.

s Dayfight Agess a. - - plan destroyed.
4. ate nativitie in mada Test
s DayLight April 7.

2) (Greene) Large - nuter - and pater bested in the visinity of Stamitas.

2) (Italian East Africa) Structures and facilities at
Dessie were set fire in British booking attacks.

s

Right of April 6-7.
2) (Greece) Bailroad committees and facilities as Sette,

the railmy bridge over the River Strum north of Petrich, railway
facilities at Germa-Djways and General vehicle conveys in these -

- boubed in large some valid w British airwart.

so Anda atr artistic in made East the
s Day Light April %
2) (Segnalavia) - 100-Clying attack business supported

ground wage and beaked Depender - - airtress of Happy as will as attacking artillery positions east of Lake

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2) (Italian East Africa) No entay activity reported.
6. Als leases is Mana Year

a DayLight April %

%I

2) (Italian East Africa) Five Italian planos were destroyed

and seven damaged by Dritish attacks in Ethiopia,

s

Night of April 7. A submarine attack off / damaged

the will Brittah ordinar Cope Term (4,200 tone). The Cape Term

revained after
A Daylight April % A British tenher (9,000 tons) and a

freighter (2,000 - - - . the - off the east - of
England and the letter in action with a - ship 125 miles off

Proctem, - cones of Afrim the amiliary Contria
(15,243 tase) - also s. Right of April 67% - British ship - ask and these

others damaged in - air attacks - the part of the harbor facilities of the part were so severely damaged as to to

wales for a period of days.
SGANIAN

Distributions

Security of -

State Department

Secretary of Treasury

Under Secretary of Chief of Staff
Assistant Oklah of staff, as

- Plans Division

office of Reval Intelligence

Air Corpa

as

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Paraphrase of Code Radiogram
Received at the War Department

at 20 108, April 9, 1941.

Ankara, filed April,9, 1941.
German troops are in the area between Gunulcine

(Gunul jina) and the Turkish frontier, according to statements of

Turkish general staff officers. They have already occupied
Dedeagatach (Alexandropolis).

The Turks intend to fight if the Germans attack them. They

will begin with a delaying action and will make their main line of
resistance along a defense line at Chatalja and on the Gallipoli peninsula. They believe that in these areas the attacks of mechanised
troops can be held up for a considerable period.
Please see telegrams Nos. 92 and 93 from the American

Minister.
KLUSS

(0-2 Note: Telegrams 92 and 93 have net yet been received from the
State Department.)

Distribution
Secretary of War
State Department

Secretary of Treasury
Under Secretary of War

Chief of Staff
Assistant Chief of Staff, G-2

War Plans Division

Office of Naval Intelligence

Att Corps

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CONFIDENTIAL
Paraphrase of Code Radiogram
Received at the War Department

at 8:59, April 9, 1941.

Sofia, filed April 7.
The city of Sefia was bombed on the evening of

April 6 at eight o'clock by British planes. Casualties were:
30 wounded, 20 killeds two factories burned; also, several
houses and the German motor park in the visinity or the railread
station. By cable number 15 should be changed to read 120

casualties caused at Instandil. The Bulgar population is insignant but sala enough otherwise. They are quite ready for
some more bombardment. I - syself eresting a bombproof at
the Legation.
JADWIN

Distributions
Secretary of War
State Department

Secretary of Treasury
War Plans Division

office of Naval Intelligence.

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April 10, 1941
10:00 a.m.

RE STABILIZATION OPERATIONS - CHINA

Present:

Mr. Bell
Mr. Currie
Mr. Cochran

Mr. White

H.M.Jr:

The question of a representative on this Board.
Lauchlin Currie does not want to go.

Bell:

Does not?

H.M.Jr:

No.

Bell:

Not even for three months?

Currie:

No.

H.M.Jr:

And he suggested one White, and I turned that
down because I can't spare him, and he suggested
Coe, and I can't spare him. So then he suggested
Commissioner Fox of the Tariff Commission. He

says it will be entirely acceptable to the Presi-

dent.
Bell:

I don't know him at all. Harry knows him. He
suggested him the other day.

H.M.Jr:

He is a very --

White:

He is a good general economist. If he goes, I
should very much like to have one of my boys
go along with him.

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H.M.Jr:

Who?

White:

Well, either - if you ruled Coe out - I didn't

know you ruled him out for that. Then Taylor,

Professor Taylor, University of Iowa, who knows
the Far East, knows the foreign exchange, and is

a very good man.
H.M.Jr:

All right?

Currie:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

I don't know him. It will be all right with me.

Bell:

You see, the member of this Board has to have an

alternate. Somebody ought to be over there.

H.M.Jr:

I know his reputation. I passed on him when he
came in. He is the man who talked in Vancouver,

isn't he? Don't betme on it, but I think he

did.
Cochran:

Do you think he would be preferable to Towson?

White:

Oh, yes, I do.

Cochran:

I know he is a better theoretical man. I didn't

White:

know whether he had had any practical experience
in banking.

He has had the kind of experience that would be
necessary there. He would pick up the other

very quickly. He doesn't have any practical

exchange experience, but Towson's experience is

very limited. He is just a foreign exchange man
in a bank.

Currie:

I was hoping, Harry, that the American member

there might organize a little group that might
take the place, substitute in part, for an

American economic mission, which Chiang Kai-shek

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wanted, which I don't think we are really prepared to send. They could do it under very
favorable circumstances, a group there. They
would be independent of this fund. It is
within the terms of reference, it seems to me,
as far as the whole budgetary problem is con-

cerned, which ties in directly with the problem

of stabilization. The stabilization of currency

comes right back to the budget. That and transportation are the two main economic problems in
China today.

H.M.Jr:

Who pays the salary of these people?

Currie:

From the fund.

H.M.Jr:

We haven't got a regular Treasury fellow to send
besides? It would be wonderful training for
somebody.

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

Bell:

You mean have we got one over there?

No, Eddie Bartelt or some young fellow that you

would like to give the training to.
I don't know. I haven't given it any thought.

H.M.Jr:

I mean, the books have to be set up. Would it
be under Bartelt?

Bell:

Well, the accounting could come under him. We
have nothing to do with the Chinese accounting

thing unless we wanted to participate in that
like we are doing for South America, like we
contemplate doing it.

H.M.Jr:

I was just thinking, here is a chance to give

some Treasury man a little foreign service ex-

perience.
White:

What kind of experience, Mr. Secretary, do you

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H.M.Jr:

Well, the thing of seeing how another government functions and --

Bell:

Fiscal. It might be good experience.

H.M.Jr:

I am thinking, for instance, that the one thing

which the French did which I always admired, was
the French Treasury people, the way they would

send their men out to their colonies and one

thing and bring them back and send them out again.

It is one service that I always thought was good.
Cochran:

It was the best service in France.

H.M.Jr:

A fellow would go out, and he would come back

and build up this thing in the French - it was

the one thing - I mean these men - what was the
man, the red-head? You take a man like him. He

was a very able citizen, but he got his training
by going around one place and another, and I
wouldn't overlook it.
White:

I think that is a very excellent thing to do,

but I think that the man you send has to go over

and get the kind of experience in the field in
which he is in. For example, a man in the fiscal
field would go over and get fiscal experience.

If it is in the field of stabilization fund, it

ought to be a monetary man. If it is the field
of taxation, it ought to be a tax man.

H.M.Jr:

But somebody has got to set up the books.

Bell:

Well, he could sort of be tied in with this group
and get the experience on both sides. You re-

member we had the discussion the other day and

the agreement about getting a report every three

months, and Rogers threw up his hands and said
to make a balance sheet of this fund would take

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weeks. We made one upstairs of our fund in

about thirty minutes.

H.M.Jr:

That is what I was thinking about. Who keeps
the books on our stabilization?

Bell:

Mr. O'Daniel. He does a swell job.

H.M.Jr:

And that is under who?

Bell:

Bartelt.

H.M.Jr:

That is what I say.

Cochran:

They will have to start a new system out there,
because the books so far have been kept by one

of the British banks. They will have to cut
that out.

H.M.Jr:

I think it is a good idea, don't you, Lauch?

Bell:

It would be excellent training.

H.M.Jr:

A man who keeps our books when we go out there

and sees that we get the reports.

Currie:

Yes. I am quite anxious, Mr. Secretary, that
for the first three or six months anyway this
would act in part as an economic machine, you
see.

H.M.Jr:

Well, Fox is on that end.

Currie:

That is right, but he needs some good young man

H.M.Jr:

Well, there would be two. This man would be on
the bookkeeping end, and Taylor would --

White:

Taylor would have to act as the alternate.

there to work with.

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H.M.Jr:

Well, look, gents, I can't give it any more
time now, but I am willing to say that if you have you got ten minutes, Bell? Do you want
to continue this conversation now?

Bell:
Currie:

We can, but I would like to think about the

other end of it.

I don't know, Mr. Secretary, whether Fox is

available or not.

White

I don't either.

H.M.Jr:

Anyway, in order to keep the thing moving, Fox,
Taylor, and somebody from Eddie Bartelt's office

is O.K. with me. If you want to readjust the

thing it is all right.

White:

You have ruled out Coe.

H.M.Jr:

Definitely, for personal reasons.

Cochran:

Is Taylor likely to stay on the department with

us here?
White:

He has got a year's leave of absence from the

University, which expires, I think, this summer,

and there is some correspondence with the presi-

dent. I think he will give him another leave,
but --

Cochran:

My point was, if we get the experience even on
that end for someone, it would be coming back to
us.

White:

H.M.Jr:

That would be the understanding I would have with

him if he were to go.

Of course, this boy in your (Cochran's) shop is
a good man.

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Cochran:

Hawkey?

Currie:

There are two good men in the Reserve, Despres,
who already knows the situation there, and
Kindleberger, who is with the BIS and who is
back there now.

H.M.Jr:

Don't forget about Hawkey.

White:

I know Hawkey well. He would be a good young

man to send along with, but he wouldn't take
the place of Taylor.
H.M.Jr:

I am just thinking, here is a chance to get

some Treasury men some field experience which

I have been talking about, and there are few
opportunities come up.

White:

That is something the British Treasury does that

we don't do.
H.M.Jr:

I am saying it.

White:

The British do it more than the French.

H.M.Jr:

Did you accomplish what you came for?

Currie:

I did.

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April 10, 1941
10:10 a.m.

RE AID TO BRITAIN

Present:

Mr. Cox
Mr. Young

Mrs. Klotz

H.M.Jr:

I want the McReynolds letter to the President.

Young:

Norman has it all ready.

H.M.Jr:

Who?

Klotz:

Thompson.

H.M.Jr:

God, to get something here in my hands.

Young:

You said to have it ready for a 9:30 meeting,

H.M.Jr:

Anything new on my getting any money for ten

and we didn't have one.
Coast Guard ships?

Cox:

No.

H.M.Jr:

There isn't? All right.

Cox:

We haven't had a chance to get up the memorandum to Budget on the thing.

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-2H.M.Jr:

All right.
Anything that I should know before the 11
o'clock meeting?

Cox:

One side issue, on your Consolidated B-24's,
we checked with Colonel Myers in the Air
Corps, and he said as far as he knew, there
were no bugs in the thing. There was one
plane that had some minor defect. It had
stopped--

H.M.Jr:

I got that from the British.

Young:

I got it from the British. They had trouble
with the front landing wheel on it.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I have asked Philip - somebody told me
that all of these Boeings had already gone

to England, which isn't true.

Young:

No. None of them have gone over.

H.M.Jr:

Well, have any of the Consolidateds gone over?
Didn't England announce the arrival of one?

Young:

That was the first B-24, I am pretty sure.
I just checked before I camein, and I will
have that information in the next 10 minutes.

H.M.Jr:

Good.

Cox:

On the shipping thing, they are still in-

terested. We have been reconstructing colored
maps for them in terms of what you can do
under the Neutrality Act, and we have got one
finished in the Middle East, and we are doing
one of the world now on an eight by four size
showing the places private American vessels
can go with arms and without arms and so

forth.

331

-3H.M.Jr:

Nothing else?

Cox:

No.

H.M.Jr:

That thing yesterday, did you get Mack the

additional list yesterday? He said he

would have it cleared by noon.
Young:

The two million dollar list?

H.M.Jr:

On top of the two million, more. He was

Young:

Oh, on this Greek and Yugoslav stuff.

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Young:

No, we took it up with the Budget people
yesterday afternoon, and we will be sending

waiting for it.

it over to them this morning in the form in
which they want it. Instead of the actual
detail, the number of pair of shoes and the

number of cotton underdrawers and so on,

they will go along this way. They want a
summary classification and will get along on
that basis instead of item by item basis.
So we will break it down into clothes and
concrete mixers and so on. That is where
we are at the moment. Cliff understands
that. He was here yesterday afternoon. We
are trying to get away from this itemized

business if it is possible to do it and get

into something on this commercial business.
There are a very large number of individual

items of all kinds. It is a hard job. My
feeling on this whole thing is, I think it
is beginning to jell a little now. I think

from an organizational point of view, we
have made a lot of progress in the last few
days in trying to get It into shape so you

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-4know what is going on and can keep your

hands on it. However, this statistical
business is getting very serious. We will
have to get that straightened out very
shortly Indeed.

H.M.Jr:

No one has talked to Haas or me about it.

Young:

No, I am talking about it.

H.M.Jr:

What?

Young:

I am talking about it.

H.M.Jr:

Well, you are not Hopkins yet.

Young:

Shall I get Hopkins to call you or do you
want to call Hopkins?

(Telephone conversation with Clifford Mack
follows.

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April 10, 1941
10:11 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Do you want to talk to Mr. Mack this

H.M.Jr:

In a couple of minutes. Tell him to stand

Operator:

All right.

morning?
by.

10:17 a.m.
H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Mack.

Clifton
Mack:

Good morning, sir.

H.M.Jr:

How are you?

M:

Fine, thank you, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:

Do you want to raise anything about the
lend-lease purchasing this morning?

M:

Not anything of special consequence, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Everything going along?

M:

Yes, sir. We've completed about $1 million
of that War Department list and by the end
of the week we'll have the rest of them out.
They have withdrawn certain orders - about
$300,000.

H.M.Jr:

of that $2 million 2?

M:

Yes, sir, and we have some new orders

H.M.Jr:

totaling about $500,000 that are apart
from that War Department list.
I see.

c

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-2Now the Greek and Yugoslav supplies -

M:

we're waiting for the allocation of funds.

H.M.Jr:

So nothing else has happened other than
they've withdrawn $300,000 and added
$500,000.

Yee, sir.

M:

H.M.Jr:

And the $500,000 comes direct from Hopkins?

M:

That comes direct through Young on the

basis of requisitions. Chemicals, equip-

ment and supplies of various kinds.
H.M.Jr:

I see.

M:

On the Greek and Yugoslav list we're going
to have considerable activity there when

that starts. The total of the requirements
they've indicated that ought to be bought
through us will run around, oh, about

$35 millions, but of course only a part of
that right away and the rest is extended
over a period right up until the end of the
year.

H.M.Jr:

Now, are you getting any allocation of money

M:

carry it for the time being with our

to carry this extra work?
Not administrative expense. I think we can
organization.

H.M.Jr:
M:

Well, there is $10 million there in the

bill.

Yes, sir, and we're now taking steps to
set up an expediting unit looking ahead a
little bit 80 that when these orders start
to move, we'11 be able then to have a group
that will follow through the shipment.

H.M.Jr:

Well, if you need any money you'd better

M:

Very good. I'll do that.

speak to Norman Thompson about it.

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-3H.M.Jr:

Don't wait too long.

M:

All right, sir. I'11 sure do that.

H.M.Jr:

All right, Mack.

M:

Good-bye.

Good-bye.

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-5H.M.Jr:

To answer your question about the statistical
thing, if Harry wants something let him call

me up.
Young:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

See?

Young:

Yes, sir.

Cox:

You know that Currie is interested in ship-

ments to Rangoon on the Chinese thing?
H.M.Jr:

Lauch Currie just left here, and he said for
one week since the President told him that
he was to look after the Chinese thing, he
has been trying to see Harry Hopkins, and

he says it is much easier to see the President than it is to see Harry. For one week
he has tried to see Harry, and Harry won't
see him.

Young:

I have talked to him several times on the
telephone. He has called to find what we
are doing and how the thing is shaping up,
and so on.

H.M.Jr:

He has been unable to see Harry.

Cox:

He has apparently talked to him about this
Rangoon thing. On the shipping problem,
there are two other things of some interest.

One is that, in this room, Land and Vickery

had a terrific fight yesterday about five
fast boats that the British want. Apparently
Vickery thinks they can and should be made
available and Land thinks they ought to be

stalled, and ought not to be made available;
and the thing was left so that apparently
Land won't transfer the boats unless the
President orders it.

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-6H.M.Jr:

Who instigated that?

Cox:

Instigated what, the fight?

H.M.Jr:

The five, not the fight.

Cox:

I don't know, I think Salter probably asked

for them.

H.M.Jr:

To make the run to where?

Cox:

I think on the North Atlantic.

Young:

Are you sure Donovan didn't do it?

Cox:

I don't know who instigated it.

H.M.Jr:

Of course in Churchill's speech which I
have read in today's papers, the only thing
that he can announce is the ten Coast Guard

cutters.
Cox:

That is right. The other thing that hasn't

gotten any serious consideration but I
think ought to be kept in the back of your
mind is the Western Hemisphere line in
terms of either transportation or convoy
movement in that line.
H.M.Jr:

You mean Newfoundland and that sort of thing?

Cox:

That sort of thing and even beyond New-

foundland, in terms of the traditional

American view that we have got an interest

in and have got a right to proceed in the

Western Hemisphere.

(The Secretary placed call for Mr. Hopkins)
H.M.Jr:

Do you want to know where he was last night?
He was out at Oxon Hill, Summer Welles'

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-7country place. (Laughter)
Isn't that marvelous?
Cox:

Is this the new Munich?

H.M.Jr:

Something.

Young:

Summer is still holding up the thirty Greek

H.M.Jr:

No?

Cox:

He is not holding them up --

Young:

He isn't doing anything about it.

Cox:

They are going to get themselves into trouble

planes.

because Reeves has gone ahead and disposed
of them.

Young:

He has already shipped them.

H.M.Jr:

Has he shipped them?

Cox:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

All thirty?

Cox:

He said he had actually shipped fifteen and
then he gave orders to ship some others.
He says, After all, my job is to get some new

stuff. That is water over the dam."

H.M.Jr:

I want to meet that fellow.

Klotz:

Who is it?

H.M.Jr:

Admiral Reeves, retired. They brought him

in to handle this stuff.

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-8 Cox:

If you looked at him, you would think he
was the ancient version of Caspar Milquetoast.

Young:

He has a keen sense of humor.

H.M.Jr:

Look, it is very embarrassing for me to try

to get - this is much the way they say some-

thing nice in these letters, would one of

you go over now to see Hopkins, and when

he goes, ask him to get the President to
sign this letter? Which one of you wants
to go over there for me?

Cox:

Well, it doesn't make any difference. Phil
and I always see him anyway.

H.M.Jr:

Before eleven?

Cox:

We can do that.

Young:

Is Hopkins back?

H.M.Jr:

Yes, he is on the telephone. Do you have any
hesitancy about it?

Cox:

No.

H.M.Jr:

Do you?

Young:

No, except that my only hesitancy is that
the thing came from here and that it is or
has been my business.

H.M.Jr:

To do what?

Young:

I feel a little bit about the same way you

H.M.Jr:

Then you (Cox) go.

do.

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-9Cox:

That relieves me. I haven't any hesitancy.

H.M.Jr:

And here is an extra copy in case they have

lost it.

You can go over now and stick this into
Harry's hands. Go over there immediately.

If I get him on the wire, I will say that
I asked you to come over.

You can simply say, can't you, "Take this in
at eleven and get the President to sign it

at eleven o'clock. This is the so-called
'McReynold's letter.

Cox:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

And I will take care of the Coast Guard
business.

The meeting is adjourned.
Cox:

Thank you.

H.M.Jr:

Carry on.

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c

April 10, 1941
10:50 a.m.

Operator:

Bell please. (Pause).
Mr. Bell.

D. W. Bell:

Hello.

H.M.Jr:

Would you and Gaston put your heads

H.M.Jr:

together and I'd like you to put in a

formal request to the Bureau of the Budget
for $25 million for 10 Coast Guard Cutters -

for a deficiency appropriation.

B:

Not as an allotment

H.M.Jr:

What do you mean allotment.

B:

Out of the lease-lend.

H.M.Jr:

oh, I just got through talking with Hopkins.
We'11 never get it out of that.

B:

Really.

H.M.Jr:

They'11 kid us from now to doomeday on it.

He said he was going to put it up to the
President to sign it and he promised me
he'd do that a week ago today.

B:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

He'll never do it 80 let's go the other

B:

route.

O.K. I'll talk to him about it. I'll talk
to Gaston.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah, but it just goes from you and Gaston directly
to the Bureau of the Budget and from there to
the President. See?

B:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

Otherwise we'11 never get it.

B:

All right. We'll work out some procedure
to get it direct. Say, I didn't tell you
this morning about the four o'clock report

last night.

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-2H.M.Jr:

No.

B:

On the short note, $1 688,000,000 and on
the longer note $2,038,000,000. We've

still got the mail reports to hear from.

H.M.Jr:

I see.

B:

So they're really going away up.

H.M.Jr:

Good.

B:

O.K.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

342-A

April 10, 1941

TELEPHONE CONVERSATION FOLLOW-UP:

In phone conversation with Mr. Bell today, the
Secretary asked him and Gaston to put their heads together

and put in a formal request to the Bureau of the Budget
for $25 million for 10 Coast Guard Cutters.

this but 10 so

cauld

father this about

if

with on Seees The this

come

a

Alilio

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April 10, 1941
4:15 p.m.
RE COAST GUARD TRANSFER

Present:

Mr. Gaston
Admiral Waesche

Mr. Foley
H.M.Jr:

Now, I didn't read that memorandum.
(referring to memorandum from Admiral
Stark to of
Secretary
Knox,Hdated
March
17.2 per ment)
enting
4/14 when
showed
it 6

Gaston:

We have a better copy than this.

H.M.Jr:

This is all right. Just let me read this
thing. Is this the same thing as I have

had?

Gaston:

Yes. I can go get my copy.

H.M.Jr:

No, no, this is all right. Why does Stark
lie to me? He must think I am an awful
fool.

Gaston:

He told you this was the same thing?

H.M.Jr:

Yes. Why does he lie?
draft

Gaston:

That plan there (see memorandum from Secretaryspent

to President, Dated April 10, 1941), provides Press
for what the statute provides, which is on
order of the President to transfer the Coast

Guard to the Navy Department, and includes
some statements of how he would propose to

operate it after it has been transferred.

344

-2H.M.Jr:

Maybe I should say he is under misaprehension.

But he argued and I said, "Don't argue with me

until I read this thing. I mean, I got

quite

stern. Don't repeat what I have said.

Waesche:

No, sir, certainly not.

H.M.Jr:

Let me just ask you this.

Gaston:

We have got a memorandum from you to the

President embodying your idea with your
understanding of the conversation today,

the instructions today, with a space for

the President's approval, and we made it
quite precise.
H.M.Jr:

That is right.

Gaston:

We transferred to the Navy everything, including one hundred twenty-five footers,
except ice breakers and except ten hundred

twenty-five footers which are in process

of conversion for use as service - as light-

house service boats.
Waesche:

And two hundred and twenty-five footers which

we are using in maritime service training.
So there is a total of twelve one hundred
twenty-five footers we are retaining.

H.M.Jr:

Don't you think we ought to say what we are
retaining?

Gaston:

We could easily say that. We are retaining
twelve one hundred twenty-five foot patrol
boats, ten which are under process of con-

version for lighthouse service boats, two
which are in the maritime service, and all
floating craft smaller than a hundred and
twenty-five footers.

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-3 Waesche:

But there are some other craft like the
Kickapoo which we are using for ice breakers.

If we are going to specify that, I suggest
we state all other floating craft not included in that tabulation shall remain and
then we simply take the register and see

what remains.
Gaston:

We say all floating equipment, and then we

Waesche:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

I want to ask you (Waesche) this, Are you

Waesche:

Perfectly.

H.M.Jr:

Is this what you would like?

Waesche:

I would rather the whole thing would stay
under the Treasury Department. Naturally,

define the seagoing fleet as follows.

satisfied with this?

I don't like the idea of dividing up the
Coast Guard, but this is second best.

H.M.Jr:

Well, let me ask you this, would you rather
have the whole organization go under the
Navy?

Waesche:

No, sir, I would rather these functions -

that is, with one exception. I feel that
the Coast Guard's chief duties are those
duties which by law are tied up with the

Treasury Department.

Now, I feel that the Coast Guard belongs

with the department that has that authority.
As long as the authority is to remain in
the Secretary of the Treasury to control

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-4shipping, all the duties under the authority

of the espionage act remains under the
authority of the Treasury Department, there

is no question in my mind that that is where
the bulk of the Coast Guard belongs, and

naturally if that function of the control of

the merchant shipping should go to the Navy,

H.M.Jr:

I think it should all go; but I am just
putting that if there -This is what I told the President. "Mr.

President, as I understand, you want me to

do the life saving." I said, "You want me

to protect the revenue of the Government
and do the harbor patrol work and the Great

Lakes work and the Ice Patrol work." I

couldn't think of it all.

He says, "That is just what I want you to
do.

I said, "Then I take it you want Waesche
and his organization to stay in the Treasury
as a part of the Treasury organization.
"Well," he says, "Waesche can make up his
mind what he wants to do. He may want to

go to sea, but if he wants to stay, that

is all right."

Waesche:

H.M.Jr:

I don't know of any seagoing job the Navy

would have for me.

I am just repeating. I don't know - but I
wanted to get over the idea to him.

He said, "Well, the Navy doesn't want any

of that thing. And then Stark kept sputtering

and I said, "Now listen, Frank," to Knox, and
Frank Knox said, "Well, I don't want any of
those." The President had it very definitely

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-5in mind. He said, "I don't want the Navy
to be bothered with all that harbor stuff."
Waesche:

H.M.Jr:

I think this is the proper thing.
I think it is a swell break, personally,

because I feel this way. This means that
there is enough there that when this show

is over, it will continue again and the

Coast Guard will be an independent entity
under the Treasury.

Now, that was the thing that you always
were afraid of.
Waesche:

Absolutely, Mr. Secretary, and that is the
thing - I am one of the few officers that
has fought the transfer to the Navy all my

life.

H.M.Jr:

I think it has been a swell fight, and --

Waesche:

I am thoroughly pleased and thoroughly satisfied.

H.M.Jr:

Thoroughly?

Waesche:

With the exception that as long as we have
got to give them something. I would be
more pleased if we could have everything,

but this is - I mean to say - yes, sir,
I am pleased.

H.M.Jr:

Now wait a second. It is this way. It is
a question of doing it this way - all going
over to the Navy entirely - -

Waesche:

Well, there is no question in my mind about

H.M.Jr:

I didn't know but in your heart you wanted

that at all.

348

-6to go over to the Navy.
Waesche:

No, sir, I don't think I have given you any
indication of that; and if you go back, even

since I have been Commandant and a little bit

before, you will know that I have probably
been the spear-head in the Coast Guard of

the fight to keep out of the Navy for some

thirty-five years, or at least fifteen years.

H.M.Jr:

I knew there was some good reason I made

you Commandant. I didn't know what it was,
but I knew there was some reason.

I tell you what you do, Herbert. Knox is
going to be here at nine tomorrow morning.

I would like to have you here. I would like

to have Foley here and read up tonight, Foley,
on the statutory duties of the Coast Guard
under the Treasury, if necessary. (facetiously)

Gaston:

We haven't yet found any law which makes it

possible -H.M.Jr:

Well, how is he going to do it? How is he

Gaston:

We detailed two cutters to the Navy, and
they are operating under the Navy under the
Chief of Operations and on a mere letter of

going to transfer part of it.

the President directing us to do it. I think

it is valid.
H.M.Jr:

Well, you see, Ed, between now and nine
tomorrow morning, we can't operate without
a lawyer. Where is an economist? We need
an economist.

What is that? (Referring to memorandum from
the President to Director of the Budget and

Secretary, dated April 10.)

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- -7 Gaston:

I decided to split the two things. There is

the Bureau of Marine Inspection and Navigation.

It
would
stuck
it gum
in. the other up pretty badly if we
H.M.Jr:

I would like Ed to be able to say tomorrow
there is no question legally that the President
can do it.
Now, you have got from now until nine tomorrow
morning, and you can get the Coast Guard sea-

going lawyer. Who is your lawyer?

Waesche:

Harrison.

H.M.Jr:

Do you want a good lawyer?

Foley:

Sure.

H.M.Jr:

Well, he is good. Nine o'clock tomorrow
morning then, if I don't hear to the contrary

this thing is all right, and you will have
a legal way of doing it.

Foley:

Yes. Suppose we come to the conclusion we

Gaston:

No, don't do that. (Laughter)

Foley:

Well, we won't unless we have to.

H.M.Jr:

We will get a new lawyer. (Laughter)

Foley:

Well, that is what I wanted to know.

H.M.Jr:

All right. Thank you all. I am tired. I
over with, but I think it is the best battle

have to have legislation?

don't want to do any crowing until it is

we have ever taken on with any other department.

350

-8I am tickled pink, but I don't want to

crow yet, because old Stark isn't licked
yet.

Waesche:

I am, too.

Foley:

Does he want it all?

H.M.Jr:

Oh yes. Read his memorandum.

Gaston:

What he means by saying this is the same

thing, he means that with the transfer to
the Navy, he could administrate it in such
way, if he wished, as to accomplish substantially the same objects in practical
effect. That is the only thing that is
true. Otherwise his statement isn't true

a

at all.

351

COPY

CONFIDENTIAL

April 10, 1941.

TO:

The President

FROM: The Secretary of the Treasury
The following embodies my understanding of your

verbal instructions of this day with respect to the

assignment of certain equipment and functions of the
Coast Guard to the Navy:

With the exception of those vessels which are esspecially adapted to use as ice-breakers, and with the
exception of cutters needed for operations on the Great
Lakes, the entire seagoing fleet of the Coast Guard together with the necessary personnel to man it will hereafter operate as a part of the Navy under the Chief of
Naval Operations.

The normal operation and maintenance costs of the

vessels of the Coast Guard which are to operate as a part
of the Navy will be defrayed from Coast Guard appropri-

ations. All major alterations and other unusual costs to
fit the above ships for Navy service will be defrayed from
Navy appropriations. If necessary, legislation is to be
obtained to authorize this.
Together with the operation of the present seagoing fleet of the Coast Guard the Navy will take over responsibility for (1) off-shore rescue and assistance work;
(2) weather observation patrol; (3) Bering sea and Alaskan

patrol; (4) international ice patrol; (5) Greenland patrol;
(6) transport and supply service to Pacific equatorial

islands; (7) off-shore neutrality patrol.

With the above exceptions the Coast Guard will re-

tain its present organization, functions and equipment.

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-2The functions which the Coast Guard will continue

to perform include the following:

(1) All in-shore assistance work.
(2) All merchant ship control and other duties

performed by Captains of the Ports.

(3) Operation, maintenance, repair, construction
and development of lighthouses and other aids to naviga-

tion.

(4) All duties on the Great Lakes normally falling
within the scope of operation of the Coast Guard.
(5) Ice-breaking in interior and coastal waters of
the United States, including the Great Lakes.
(6) Training of merchant marine and Coast Guard
personnel.

Equipment to be retained by the Coast Guard will

include:

(1) All present Coast Guard shore establishments.

(2) All Coast Guard aircraft.
(3) All other floating and shore equipment necessary
to the performance of the functions listed above.
"Seagoing fleet" as used above, is understood to

include the following: Seven 327-foot cutters; four

240-foot cutters; seventeen 165-foot patrol boats; twenty
125-foot patrol boats, and the following unclassified
seagoing cutters: UNALGA, TALLAPOOSA, NORTHLAND, REDWING,

SHAWNEE.

APPROVED:

April , 1941.

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April 10, 1941
4:31 p.m.

Jesse
Jones:

Hello, Henry.

H.M.Jr:

My name.

J:

Yes, sir. You've got a terrible cold.

H.M.Jr:

I'm going home in a few minutes.

I'd like to beg off until Monday, instead
of Friday. I thought you'd rather do it

J:

that way.

H.M.Jr:

Sure. Just a second. That gives me a

J:

Well, Monday or Tuesday either one. I just

H.M.Jr:

break.

want to

Well, don't get too deep in this, Jesse
without giving - you know you said you'd
consult me.

J:

I won't. I'll make no commitment until I

H.M.Jr:

talk to you.
Now, let's leave it this way. Have your
office call up Monday and we'll work in
an appointment. How's that?

J:

That's all right.

H.M.Jr:

Or do you want a definite appointment?

J:

No, I'd rather do it that way.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

J:

You see, the two Franks want me to work
on this Pan American thing tomorrow and I
noticed you had a miserable cold and I

H.M.Jr:

thought you'd rather put it off.
Well, it's entirely agreeable.

J:

Yeah. O.K.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you for calling.

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April 10, 1941

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

Re: Deliveries of B-24 Planes

With respect to your request concerning
delivery of B-24 planes, the British Supply Council
has furnished the following information:
Two B-24's and one LB-30 (British equivalent
of the B-24) have already gone to England.

There are two B-24's at Montreal. (Also two
Flying Fortresses, B-17).
There are two B-24's and two LB-30's at New
York.

It is estimated that from two to three B-24's
or LB-30's will be completed by Consolidated within
the next two weeks.

With respect to the last two groups, the British
will have to furnish information later as to when
they will be ready to leave Canada or New York.

P.4.

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April 10, 1941

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

Re: Boeing and Consolidated Bombers

Mr. Fairey has advised me that of the twenty
Boeing B-17C's fourteen are now in various stages
of having leakproof tanks and other small items
installed. These installations are being made

rapidly and should soon be finished. Of the re-

maining six, three are being held in Seattle because
of bad weather, one is at Wright Field, and two are
in Canada ready to be flown to England.
With respect to the rumor which you heard concerning bugs in the Consolidated B-24, Mr. Fairey
advises me that there are no more bugs in that ship
than are to be expected in any new type ship which
has never been built before. Whatever bugs have
been found are being rapidly eliminated and every
thing is proceeding smoothly.

Dy.

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Please let me
have
a
similar
report
to the one attached on april 20th
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To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

Houz
April 10,1941

Re: Boeing and Consolidated Bombers

In connection with the information I gave you
this morning concerning Boeing and Consolidated

bombers, I am attaching herewith for your information
a copy of a revised memorandum which I have just

received from the British Supply Council.

you

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CONSOLIDATED B24 BOMBERS

Arrvied in U.K.
3

At Montreal
2

At New York, enroute to Montreal

4

April deliveries by Consolidated (forecast)
May

6

.

11

26

Note: 5 of first 6 will be used for transport purposes, probably

trans-Atlantic ferrying for pilots.

BOEING B17

At Montreal

2

At Dayton (for final checkup before delivery
to Montreal)

1

At Seattle (almost ready for flight to

Dayton)

3

At Sacramento and/or Portland for addition
self-sealing tanks & other equipment

14

20

RECEIVED
APR 10 1941

Washington, D.C.

April 10, 1941.

Treasury Department

Office of Philip Young

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6/5'41
Miss Chauncey:

Mr. Foley said that there was
nothing here which the Secretary should

have dalled to his attention.
McGuire

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359
COPY FOR:

Secretary of Treasury.

A

WAR DEPARTMENT

The Adjutant General's Office
Washington

AG 020.1 (3-29-41)M-M

April 1941.
SUBJECT: Procedure Under the Lend-Lense
Act.

TO:

The Chiefs of Arms and Services

and the Divisions of the

War Department General

Staff.

The following letter from the Secretary of Bar is quoted
for your information and guidance:
"1. The Act of March 11, 1941 (Lend-Lease Act) imposes
heavy responsibilities on the Tar Department which must be met
with promptness and dispatch if the purposes of the Congress and
the orders of the President are to be consummated. Strategic
results affecting the defense of this country may depend upon
the speed with which this Act is administered in the Department.
I therefore desire to impress upon all concerned the necessity

for prompt action in all matters relating to the Act.

2. Every effort has been made to set up the adminis-

tration of this Act in the Department so as to apply to the lendlease program the normal procedure of our procurement agencies.

I am confident that our present organization, increased by the
augmentation of such personnel as may be necessary, can fully
meet the additional responsibilities to be imposed upon it.
It appears necessary, however, to set up in the Office of the
Under Secretary of Var a division to be called the Defense Aid
Division with duties as shown in Exhibit 1 herewith and I have,
accordingly, directed that such an organization be created.
This division will be concerned mainly with the coordination
and acceleration of all phases of the lend-lease program within

the Department. It is my desire that all papers pertaining to
the program be handled in the "immediate action" category.

3. Attached hereto as Exhibit 2 is an outline of the
routine which will, in general, be followed within the War De-partment. The desired budgetary procedure is shown in Exhibit 3.
4. To deal with questions of substance which we can
foresee will arise under the Act, Defense Aid Committees, whose
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functions are set forth in Exhibit 4, will be organized. No

new committee has been set up for aircraft inasmuch as the
Joint Aircraft Committee, which has heretofore been in operation,

is in a position to perform the functions prescribed for the

Defense Aid Committees in Exhibits 3 and 4 and, subject to the
principles and procedure outlined in such Exhibits, the War Department members of the Joint Aircraft Committee are hereby
enpowered, in addition to the powers heretofore exercised by
them on the Joint Aircraft Committee, to perform with the

British, or other representatives concerned, the functions of
the Defense Aid Committees.

5. War Department agencies are authorized to issue

necessary regulations, not inconsistent th the policies
outlined herein, to administer their activities under the Act.
6. Close contacts between the personnel of the ar

Department and the accredited foreign representatives concerned
with transactions under the Act shall be sought and encouraged

at all times.

7. The organization herein provided for is solely

designed to expedite, not to complicate, the work of the
existing procurement agencies. It is always subject to change

if in the light of experience it does not fulfill its function.
/s/ HENRY L. STIMSON

Secretary of Mar."

By order of the Secretary of Mar:

Brigadier General,

Acting The Adjutant General.

4 Incls:

Exhibits 1 - 4.

COPIES FURNISHED:

Mr. Harry Hopkins;
The Secretary of the Treasury;
The Secretary of the Havy;

The Secretary of State;
Chairman, British Supply Council
in North America;
Mr. Kim. S. Knudsen, Office of

Production Management; and
Clearance Committee, Army and Navy

Munitions Board.

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April 8, 1941.
Office Order:

1. In order to coordinate the functioning of the Mar Department in its relation to the Act of March 11, 1941 (Public 11,
77th Congress), there is hereby created a division in the office of
the Under Secretary of far to be known as the Defense Aid Division.

2. The duties of the Defense Aid Division will be as follows:
a.

To maintain liaison on matters relating to the Act
of March 11, 1941, with the following:
(1) Such agency or agencies as may be designated

by the President to administer the Act.

(2) Other government agencies.
(3) Foreign governments.
(4) Arms and Services of the Jar Department and
the War Department General Staff.

b. To coordinate requests for aid from foreign govern-

ments with interested agencies of the Var Department.

c. To coordinate the procurement under appropriations
provided to implement the Act, in collaboration with
the Production Branch and the Purchase and Contracts

Branch, Office of the Under Secretary of Jar; G-4
Division War Department General Staff; and the Office
of Production Management.

d. To coordinate the distribution of the items to
foreign governments, in collaboration with the
G-4 Division, ar Department General Staff.

e. To coordinate the activities authorized in Section
3 (a) (3) of the Act, in collaboration with the
interested agencies of the War Department.

f. To supply foreign governments with defense information pertaining to defense articles, in collaboration with the G-2 Division of the War Department
General Staff.

g. To report to the Administrator of Export Control
the defense articles and defense information
released to foreign governments.
(Exhibit 1)

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h. To furnish information concerning the transactions
of the ar Department to the agency designated by

the President for the preparation of the quarterly
report required by the Act of March 11, 1941.

i. To coordinate importation of arms, ammunition, and
implements of war.

1. To initiate requests for priorities for materials,

equipment, and machine tools for foreign orders for
military equipment and supplies through the
Priorities Cormittee, Army and Navy Munitions

Board, and the Priorities Administrator, Office of

Production Management.

k. To clear preliminary negotiation reports for procurement of military equipment and supplies for
foreign governments other than beneficiaries of
the Act of March 11, 1941.

1. To prepare staff action for the approval of the
Secretary of War, on all matters pertaining to
the Act.

m. To clear items for export on the basis of military
secrecy, in collaboration with the G-2 Division of
the War Department General Staff.

n. To maintain the office of record for all transactions
of the War Department under the Act of March 11, 1941.

O. To furnish such statistical information as may be
required, in collaboration with the Statistics Branch,
Office Under Secretary of War.

p. To participate in the functions of the Joint Advisory
Board on American Republics.

g. To discharge such additional duties pertaining to

the Act of March 11, 1941, as may be prescribed by
the Under Secretary of War.

3. To provide personnel for the Defense Aid Division, I
hereby transfer the commissioned and civilian personnel of the Army
Section, Clearance Committee, Army and Navy Munitions Board, to the
Defense Aid Division.
/s/ HENRY L. STINSON

Secretary of War.

(Exhibit 1)
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OUTLINE OF MAR DEPARTMENT PROCEDURE - LEND-LEASE ACT

WAR DEPARTMENT ACTION

1. Requests for assistance received from foreign governments whose defense is deemed vital to the defense of the United

States under the terms of the Act, to be referred to the Secretary
of War.

2. Referred to the Defense Aid Division, O. U. S. 11.,
for recommendation.

3. Defense Aid Division informally to consult G-4 and,
if advisable, other interested Mar Department agencies and prepare

recommendation for signature of Chief of Staff. To obtain the basis
for recommendation, Defense Aid Division to route requests through
the appropriate Defense Aid Requirements Committee, calling for

definite recommendations as to disposition of materiel or placement
of orders.

4. Reply of Chief of Staff forwarded to Secretary of War
for approval.

5. After approval, forwarded to White House.
WHITE HOUSE ACTION

6. President issues directive to Secretary of Mar.
WAR DEPARTMENT ACTION

7. Directive turned over to Defense Aid Division for preparation of appropriate instructions to "lar Department agencies, and
(Exhibit 2)
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submittal to the Secretary of War, through Executive, O.U.S.W. and

G-4, for signature, with copy of original action by Chief of Staff
(paragraphs 4 and 5 above). Copies of directives will also be
furnished to B.O. N.D.
8. Mar Department agencies concerned in executing approved

action, including B.O. N.D., to maintain informal contacts with the
Defense Aid Division during process of execution and render report to
Defense Aid Division on completion.

9. Defense Aid Division to be office of record for LendLease Act transactions and to prepare such reports as the President
and/or the Secretary of Mar may prescribe.

(Exhibit 2)
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OUTLINE OF BUDGETARY PROCEDURE UNDER LEND-LEASE ACT
WAR DEPARTMENT

Upon receipt of approved expenditure programs or requests

for services in the Defense Aid Division of the Office of the Under
Secretary of War, they will be transmitted to the Budget Officer of
the War Department who will make application for allocations to the
War Department of the necessary funds for the approved purposes.

Upon receipt of such allocations, the Budget Officer of
the iar Department will make apportionments to agencies within the
War Department in accordance with the approved expenditure programs

or requests for services, informing the Defense Aid Division of this
action.

The existing accounting methods within the ar Department

will be utilized in accounting for Lend-Lease funds.
The preparation of expenditure programs and requests for

services, as well as the administration of any funds set up for
administrative expenses, will follow present procedure.
In case future appropriations are required for Lend-Lease
purposes, the normal estimating cycle will be completed.

(Exhibit 3)

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DEFENSE AID COMMITTEES

REQUIREMENTS COMMITTEES

There will be created within the Mar Department committees
to be known as the Defense Aid Requirements Committees.
The function of these Committees within the War Department
will be the determination under the Defense Aid program of materiel

requirements as to type, quantity and destination. In carrying out
this function, the Committees will follow such policies as may be
prescribed, from time to time, by the Chief of Staff, subject to such
redetermination, if any, as may later be made by the President.
In performing their function, the Committees may be com-

pelled to plan for the diversion of materiel to uses not contemplated
at the time of the placing of the orders.
In dealing with this problem, the Committees may propose
plans for somewhat distant objectives. However, recommendations for

actual diversion should normally be made only sufficiently far in
advance to permit arrangements to be made for the effective use of
the diverted materiel at the completion of production.

The Committees will be organized for each of the following
supply arms and services, i.e.,
Ordnance
Chemical

Signal
Engineer
Quartermaster

In order to provide continuity and unity of direction to

these Committees, they will include a nucleus of personnel which will
have membership on all the Committees. This nucleus will be composed

of the following:

G-4 War Department, Chairman

Representative of the Under Secretary of War
Representative of the Clearance Committee
of the Army and Navy Munitions Board, and
Representative of the Foreign Supply Service

(in case of the British, the Chairman of
the British Supply Council).

(Exhibit 4)

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United States and foreign representatives of the arm or service concerned and of the user of the items under consideration shall be
members of the respective Committees. In appropriate situations
the Training Division or fur Plans Division of the War Department
General Staff will be represented. The Committee decisions will be
signed by the senior representative of each concurring group.
Minority views, if any, will be submitted by the senior member of
any non-concurring group. Those will be submitted to the Chief of
Staff to assist him to consult with the President under the provisions of the Lend-Lease Act.
FACILITIES CO.1 ITTEE

Under the Lend-Lcase Act and pending ar Deparment

appropriations, there is approximately 1,300,000,000 provided for
new facilities and a committee consisting of six general officers

has been selected under the authority of the Under Secretary of War

to control the facilities program. To consult with this Committee
appropriate representatives of the British Supply Council will be
appointed with opportunity to present their dissenting views, if any,
on matters relating to the necessity for and priority of additional
facilities being created, to the Under Secretary of Mar.

(Exhibit 4)
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4-10/41

77TH CONGRESS

SENATE

1st Session

DOCUMENT

No. 42

PURCHASE OF FOREIGN MERCHANT VESSELS FOR
NATIONAL DEFENSE

COMMUNICATION
FROM

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
TRANSMITTING

A DRAFT OF A PROPOSED JOINT RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE

PURCHASE OR REQUISITION OF ANY FOREIGN MERCHANT
VESSEL LYING IDLE IN WATERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF
THE UNITED STATES WHICH IS NECESSARY TO THE NATIONAL
DEFENSE

APRIL 10 (legislative day, APRIL 7), 1941.-Read; referred to the Committee on
Commerce and ordered to be printed

To the Congress of the United States:

There are now in our ports a large number of foreign merchant
vessels which have been here for considerable periods of time and
which because of war conditions have not seen fit to depart.
Section 902 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1936, as amended by the
act of August 7, 1939, authorizes the Maritime Commission, whenever
the President shall proclaim that the security of the national defense
makes it advisable or during any national emergency declared by
proclamation, to requisition or purchase any vessel or other watercraft owned by citizens of the United States, or under construction
within the United States, or to requisition or charter the use of any

such property, and provides that the owner thereof shall be paid
just compensation for the property taken or for its use. The same
section provides a method by which compensation shall be determined.
There does not appear to be any comparable provision with respect to
foreign-owned vessels lying idle in our ports.

In view of the growing shortage of available tonnage suited to our
national needs, I am satisfied, after consultation with the heads of the

interested departments and agencies of the Government, that we

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PURCHASE OF FOREIGN MERCHANT VESSELS

2

should have statutory authority to take over any such vessels as our
needs may require, subject, of course, to the payment of just compensation.

It is obvious that our own ultimate defense will be rendered futile
if the growing shortage of shipping facilities is not arrested. It is
also obvious that inability to remove accumulating materials from
our ports can only result in stoppage of production with attendant
unemployment and suspension of production contracts. It is therefore essential, both to our defense plans and to our domestic economy,

that we shall not permit the continuance of the immobilization in

our harbors of shipping facilities.
I attach as of possible assistance to the Congress a draft resolution

designed to accomplish the purposes above outlined. It will be

noted that the draft contemplates the use of funds appropriated by
the Defense Aid Supplemental Appropriation Act, 1941, approved
March 27, 1941.

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT.

THE WHITE HOUSE, April 10, 1941.

HIT

Resolved by the Senale and House of Representatives of the United States of America

in Congress assembled, That during the existence of the present emergency the
President is authorized and empowered, through such agency or officer as he shall

designate, to purchase, requisition, or take over the title to, or the possession of,
for such use or disposition as he shall direct, any foreign merchant vessel which

is lying idle in waters within the jurisdiction of the United States and which is
necessary to the national defense: Provided, That just compensation shall be
determined and made to the owner or owners of any such vessel in accordance
with the applicable provisions of section 902 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1936,
as amended.

SEC. 2. Funds appropriated by the Act of March 27, 1941 (Public Law 23,
77th Cong.) are hereby made available to carry out the provisions of this joint

resolution.

O

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TO:

Secretary Morgenthan
For your information.

Qsc
11 April 1941

MR. COX

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370

AP 11 941
MKMORANDUM

TO:

. Harry Hopkins

From:

0. S. Cox

Subject:

World Neutrality

procured

at meeting
4/11/11

I an sending you herewith a map of the world
marked up to show the ports to which private American

vessels can carry arms and non-ares under the Neutrality
Act of 1939.

If you agree, I think this may should also show
the Western Hemisphere line and the 80-called German bat sone.

If it is decided to put the Western Hemisphere
line on this map. I would suggest that a careful recheek
be mis of what is the Western Hemisphere in the light of
present circumstances. As you know, precisely what is the
Western Hemisphere has been defined in different ways.

For present purposes, it my be that it will be desirable
to use a legal rather than a morely geographical definition.
In connection with whatever definition of the
Western Hemisphere is worked out, consideration should be

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given to the possibilities of (a) patrolling the Western
Hemisphere so that practically German raiders and sub-

marines are kept out of it, and thus lessening the amount

of conveying required to be done by the Britishi (b) direct
conveying by American naval vessels of British or American
ships to the and of the Western Hemisphere; and (c) dolivery of goods in the Western Hemisphere for transshipment

to Britain.
5gd (eat)

OSC:aja

4/10/41

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 10, 1941

TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
H. D. White

HDV

Subject: The Economic Situation in Belgium

The following points may be of interest to you
in view of your discussion with Belgian Finance Minister

Gutt:

The food shortage in Belgium is more acute than in
any other European country, excepting Spain and Poland,
The present Belgian bread ration is about 56 ounces a

1.

week, compared with 80 ounces for Germany, 71 for the
Netherlands and 35 for Poland; other foods are comparably

short. The basic reasons for the food shortage are: (a)
the high industrialization of the country and its consequent

normal dependence on imported foods, (b) the destructiveness of the German invasion, and (c) the necessity of feeding several hundred thousand German troops now stationed in
Belgium.

The Germans are taking about one-fifth of the Belgian
national income in "occupation costs" alone. The Belgian
national income before the invasion was less than $2 1/2
2.

billion per year. The Germans are taking $40 million a

month in occupation costs. These occupation costs are
five times as heavy as those the Germans exacted in their
occupation of Belgium during the years 1914-18.
3.
German control over Belgian industries has taken the
form principally of the appointment of German commissioners

to control the operations of leading Belgian firms. In

most cases ownership has remained in the hands of the former Belgian proprietors. However, there have been some

major "fusions" of Belgian with German firms. For instance,
the great Belgian iron and steel company Ougree-Mauhaye has
been fused with Otto Wolff, the German steel producer; the
new merged company will operate from Cologne with a branch
office in Brussels. Such Belgian concerns as have the necessary raw materials are employed on German sub-contracts.

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2-

Division of Monetary
Research

The Germans placed all banking institutions under

4.

the general control of a Bank Supervision Office for
Belgium. This office has control over the books and

transactions of all Belgian banks. It also controls

the new National Bank of Belgium organized under German
supervision. Payments between Belgium and other coun-

tries are effected through the multilateral clearing
system via Berlin. This bank is also nominally credited

by the Germans with the Belgian gold which they are taking from France -- variously estimated at between $183
million and $260 million.
5.

The economic disorganization and exhaustion of

Belgium are very great -- greater than that of any other
occupied country except Poland. The situation in Belgium
is so desperate that perhaps 100,000 Belgian workers have
found it necessary to accept German offers of jobs in
Germany. Stocks of imported raw materials have been exhausted where they were not (as in the case of cotton)
shipped to Germany. Even the high-grade Belgian coal

minies are not working at capacity. The attempt in Octo-

ber of 1940 to float a 10-year 3 billion franc

($100,000,000) 4 percent loan met with dismal failure;
voluntary subscriptions by the public did not cover more

than one-third of the amount of the flotation, and it was
necessary to compel the banks to take up the rest. Currency in circulation must have increased greatly and prices have certainly risen very rapidly, but we have no
precise figures on money in circulation and no precise
price indices.
6. Belgian assets frozen in the United States have decreased about $55 million during the past year. When the
Belgian funds were frozen May 10, 1940, they had a total

of assets here of $623 million as follows:
(In millions)
Gold held on earmark

Official dollar deposits

Private deposits
Securities
Other assets

$173
1

181

178
90

Since that date they have sold about $7 million of
the gold held on earmark, reduced their balances here by
approximately $48 million almost entirely from private
deposits and there has been no substantial change in their
security holdings.

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FOR THE PRESS

IMMEDIATE RELEASE

APRIL 10, 1941

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

1763

Yesterday we signed an agreement with the Danish
I

Minister in Washington, who acts on behalf of the King of
Denmark, as Sovereign of Greenland, including Greenland in
our system of cooperative hemispheric defense.
This agreement was signed on the anniversary of the
day on which German troops invaded Denmark.

Last May the Greenland Councils requested the United

States to keep in mind the exposed position of the Danish flag

in Greenland. I at once offered to make available relief, if
necessary; and to assure a continued flow of necessary supplies

for the island. The present step is a new proof of our continuing friendliness to Denmark. Under the present circumstances the Government in Denmark cannot, of course, act in

respect of its territory in the Testern Hemisphere, but we
propose to make sure that when the German invasion of Denmark

has ended, Greenland will remain a Danish colony. Meanwhile,

we earnestly hope for the quick liberation of Denmark from her
present invaders.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 10, 1941
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

The Finnish Minister asked me by telephone whether the Secretary would be
good enough to receive him for five minutes some day next week, preferably next

Tuesday, April 15. I told the Minister that I had mentioned to the Secretary
some weeks ago the Minister's interest in having the Secretary support his request
for an Export-Import Bank credit, if the matter should come up at the Cabinet.
I prosumed that this was no longer in question since a credit had been extended.

The Minister confirmed this understanding, saying that he did not desire to take
up any loan question with the Secretary, but simply a personal one.
Does the Secretary desire to give an appointment?

BMP.

D will see him at
3 octock

A

apil 15

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
TO

FROM

CONFIDENTIAL FILES

L. W. Knoke

F. Dietrich

Noted R. 99(e)
DATE April 10, 1941

SUBJECT: TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH
BANK OF ENGLAND.

Mr. Bolton called me at 11:45 a.m. today. He prefaced his
comments with the statement that hereafter he expected to call me more

frequently as a result of certain internal changes which aimed at

making him a little bit freer.
He then referred to our telephone conversations late in
January and early in February with regard to the return by us of dona-

tions etc., sent to us for British account. The Treasury Department and
they themselves, Mr. Bolton said, were, presumably as & result of our
inability to accept those funds in New York, receiving a number of checks

drewn in dollars. Was it in order for them with their proper endorsesent, to send the checks to us for collection? If so they would simply
include them in the usual list of checks. I replied that our lawyers
had considered this matter at the time and were of opinion that there
was nothing to prevent us from handling such collections. Should I
find out that I was wrong I would advise him immediately.
Another matter he was anxious to be informed about was that

of the various freezing orders issued by Washington: did they cover
old balances only or old balances plus accruals? I replied that they
covered everything and explained that in the case of a French account,
for instance, anything that had been in the account on June 17, 1940
was frozen and anything that had gone into the account subsequent to

June 17, 1940 was likewise frozen. Talking about the job of administering foreign property or exchange control, he mentioned that they in
London had started with about 200 men but were not up to 1,350. This,

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OF NEW YORK

OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE

DATE

CONFIDENTIAL FILES

SUBJECT

TO

L. W. Knoke

April 10, 1941.

TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH
BANK OF ENGLAND.

FROM

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however, he thought was the peak and he was hopeful that from now on

they could start cleaning up a little bit.
I made reference to Bank of England's cable No. 375 of yesterday containing 100 code words, 15 words of which, however, were missing.
Mr. Bolton promised that he would see to it that the whole message was

repeated in a hurry. I expressed my appreciation of their desire to
give us preliminary advice of steps contemplated by them of the nature
mentioned in that message.

I next made reference to our telephone conversation of
January 31 in which I had spoken of inter-bank dealings in registered

sterling at rates lying between the official rates, which it seemed
were indulged in by some out-of-town banks. I stated that since speaking to him on January 31 I had heard of no further such dealings. Was
that due to any steps he had taken? He replied that he had checked up
on one or two of the banks there and that that might be the reason for

the discontinuance of these operations. In this connection Mr. Bolton
commented that New York banks seem to have the idea that London banks

were "sort of pinching business". This prompted me to confirm that in
my opinion there was some such feeling on the part of some of our banks,

not only in regard to English business but also to Canadian business.
This, I continued, had prompted me last week to mention this to Mr. Gordon
when he was here because it seemed to me altogether advisable that any

such feeling on the part of our banks here, if at all possible, should
be eliminated because if it spread further it might create a most

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DATE

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undesirable atmosphere of irritation. I had had no formal communication from our Foreign Exchange Committee but had gathered from talks

with one OF two of our banks that they were a little resentful of
losing to British and Canadian banks business which by right should

be theirs. I had recently discussed the matter informally with
Mr. Loree, Chairman of the Committee. I had told him that if at any
time his committee wished me to discuss this matter with Mr. Bolton

I would of course be ready to do so. Mr. Bolton replied that
one of the rules issued to the market in London

at the very outset had been that there must be no competition internally.
All customers should continue to do their business with their own banks
and English banks were under pledge to the Bank of England to ascertain

from a new customer with what bank he had previously dealt. As far as
they at the Bank were concerned they had done their best to get rid of

market friction. He could not believe that there were many British
banks, if any at all, which had gone out of their way to take business
away from American banks. He remembered one complaint, he said, but

when going to the bottom of it he had found that the New York bank had

had all its facts wrong. They were only too anxious in London to do
anything they could to smooth down the business. If there were any
banks in New York that felt resentful because their British business
had suffered, those banks must realize that they were suffering no more
than anybody else. The fact of the matter was that there had been a

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tremendous loss of business which had been felt by every bank in London.
Exchange business and foreign business today was practically negligible.

Would I send him details by letter of any instances of complaint that
might come to my attention in the future? If there was anything he
could do to put it right he would. The next time I spoke to Mr. Loree
would I tell him very frankly that he (Mr. Bolton) was willing to do

his best to right and smooth over any trouble at all. This I promised
to do.

Was there anything further, I continued, that he might want
to tell me in connection with Mr. Tong's letter of December 27 and

our telephone conversation of February 4 in regard to the difficulties
we were experiencing with the brokers in our market? When I spoke to

him on February 4, I said, he had indicated that he might revert to

this matter in a little while. Mr. Bolton replied that he was afraid
there was nothing that he could do. The situation actually was this
that there was too little business left for anybody and as regards the
future, the possibilities for the brokers looked very black. It seemed
to him the proper thing to do was to tell the brokers the truth. In
the circumstances, I replied, I would consider the chapter closed.

DV IS WOV
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE April 10, 1941.

Mins
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Mr. Cochran

AL

CC:

Registered sterling transactions of the reporting banks were as follows:
Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns

£71,000
£68,000

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York purchased £10,250 in registered sterling

from the French-American Banking Corporation.

Open market sterling held steady at 4.03-1/4. Transactions of the reporting

banks were as follows:

-00
Sold to commercial concerns
Purchased from commercial concerns & 2,000

In New York, the closing rates for the foreign currencies listed below were as

follows:

Canadian dollar
Swiss franc (commercial)

12-7/8% discount
.2321-1/2

Swedish krona
Reichsmark

.2384
.4005
.0505
.2325
.0505
.2066

Lira

Argentine peso (free)

Brazilian milreis (free)

Mexican peso
Ouban peso

4-11/16% discount

In Shanghai, the yuan was again quoted at 5-5/16 and sterling was 24 lower
at 3.92-1/2.

There were no gold transactions consummated by us today.
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported that the Bank of Canada shipped
$3,642,000 from Canada to the Federal for account of the Government of Canada, for
sale to the New York Assay Office.

The State Department forwarded a cable to us stating that the following gold
shipments were made from Australia, for sale to the San Francisco Mint:
$4,687,000 shipped by the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Sydney, to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.
94,000 shipped by the Bank of New South Wales, Sydney. to the American Trust
Company, San Francisco.
$4,781,000 Total

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In London, the prices fixed for spot and forward silver were unchanged at 23-1/2d
and 23-7/16d respectively, The U. S. equivalents were 42.67 and 42.564.
The Bureau of Foreign and Domestic Commerce reported on April 9 that two lots of

refined silver bullion, containing a total of 831,000 ounces, were transported from
Monterrey, Mexico, to San Francisco, for trans-shipment to Bombay, India. Together

with the 1,572,000 ounces reported by us yesterday as having left New York for Bombay,
this makes a total of 2,403,000 ounces consigned to India, The current Hindu marriage

season, incidentally, was reported to be one of the factors tending to increase the
demand for silver in the Indian basaars,

Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was unchanged at 34-3/44
The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was also unchanged at 35 With
reference to the four silver exports from New York to India mentioned yesterday, we
understand that in one instance, Bombay interests paid 35-1/4 per ounce for spot
delivery of the silver in New York.
We made no purchases of silver today.

A mp

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

April 10, 1941

FOR

Official sales of British-owned dollar securities under the vesting order

effective February 19. 1941:

No. of Shares $ Proceeds of Nominal Value $ Proceeds of
Sold

March 31

April 1
2

3

4

5

Shares Sold

70,918
226,856
35.858
72,065
66,240

20,600
25,000

70,600

47.330

7.046.208-1/2

222.728.950

26,704,650

25,963,272

7,518,145-1/2

232,102,107

Nil
471,937

Nil
25,000

Nil
Nil

TOTAL 2/22/40

to 4/5/41

Bonds Sold

1,659,484
3,545,141
1,221,974
1,260,693
1,685,865
Nil
9,373,157

Sales from
2/22/40 to
3/29/41

of Bonds Sold

26,775.250

21,205
13,009

Nil
13,116
Nil
Nil

26,010,602

Miss Poate reported no sales of non-vested securities for the week ending

April 5.

XM.P.

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BRITISH EMBASSY,
WASHINGTON, D.C.

PERSONAL AND

April 10th, 1941

SECRET

Dear Mr. Secretary,

I enclose herein for your
personal and secret information a

copy of the latest report received from
London on the military situation.
Believe me,

Dear Mr. Secretary,

Very sincerely yours,

Halifax
The Honourable,

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

United States Treasury,
Washington, D.C.

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TELEGRAM FROM LONDON DATED

April 8th.1941

NAVAL

Photographic reconnaissance on April 7th

showed 2 German battle cruisers still at Breat and
2 pocket battleships and 2 Hipper class cruisers

at Kiel.
2.

As a result of fire His Majesty's Armed

Merchant Cruiser "Comorin" abandoned and sunk.

Ships company taken off.

During air raid Piraeus night of April
6th/7th, 3 ships hit by bombs and mines laid. British
ship of 7,500 tons blew up whilet alongside start=

3.

ing many fires. Some ships burnt and severe damage

caused to dock area. Port will be closed several
days.
4.

His Majesty's Cruiser "Cape Town" torpedoed

by E.boat off Massawa night of April 7th reported

still afloat.
5.

Attacks on shipping. British Tanker

(8,250 tone) mined off East Coast early the 8th and

reported sinking and British ship (1,750 tons) reported 2.15 Dome 7th rapidly sinking 125 miles off
Freetown.
6.

MILITARY. GREECE.

To 9:15 Demo April 6th. German advance from
Nevrokop towards Drama held up but enemy gained some

ground west of Rupel. Position east of Struma report
ed intact. 200 German Parachutists landed South of

Rupel; all killed or captured. Situation Komotin and
X. Sectors obscure.
7.

YUGO-SLAVIA.

Yugoalavs reported advancing into Bulgerian

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Bulgerian territory east of Carevo Selo towards
Gorna Djumaya. German thrust towards Kamanovo

and Skopcolle continues.
8.

ROYAL AIR FORCE. April 7th.

Six medium bombers again attacked Ijmuiden

steel works scored several direct hits.
9.

NIGHT OF APRIL 7th/8th.

265 bombers sent out; 229 to attack deck
yards at Kiel and 36 to dooks at Bromerhaven and
Enden; 2 missing definite and 3 more probably.
10.

GERMAN AIR FORCE.April 7th.

Only few enemy aircraft came inland. Two

destroyed by fighters.
11.
Night of the 7th/8th. 395 enemy aircraft
operating 5 destroyed and 2 others damaged by

night fighters.
12.

HOME SECURITY. NIGHT OF 7th/8th.

Enemy activity widespread. Main attack
on Glasgow and Clydeside where fires started in

ship yards but only 1 serious. Other attacks on
dock area Belfast where some damage, also Shorts

Aircraft Works at Rechester and oil Cisterns at
Thameshaven where fires started. Damage though

extensive does not seen to correspond with scale

of attack and casualties appear slight.
13.

STOP PRESS. BALKANS. TO 9:00 A.M.
APRIL Veha

Latest reports following positions of
German forces; 1 armoured division and 1 infantry
division Kumanovo moving southwest. Elements of
German troops Veles and on road 10 miles south

west moving toward Prilep. Infantry division 10
miles/

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miles northeast of Stip. An armoured division
5 miles northwest of Lake Doiren going south.
One mountain division east of Lake Doiren and

another just over Greek defence lines in the
Struma Valley. Two divisions 10 miles east of
X. Six German divisions reported on Hungarian

frontier.

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MILITARY INTELLIGENCE DIVISION
WAR DEPARTMENT

TENTATIVE LESSONS AVIATION
No. 15

Washington, April 10, 1941.

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NOTICE

The information contrined in this series of bulletins
will be restricted to items from official sources which are
reasonably confirmed. The lessons necesserily are tentative
and in no sense mature studies.
This document is being given an approved distribution,

and no additional copies are available in the Military Intelligence Division. For provisions governing its reproduction, see Letter TAG 350.05 (9-19-40) M-B-M.

VISIT TO AN R.A.F. FIGHTER STATION

SOURCE

Information in this bulletin is besed upon recent
reports of American official observers in England.
CONTENTS

1.

THE STATION AND STATION PERSONNEL

2,

FORMATIONS

3.

TACTICS

4.

PILOTS

5.

MAINTENANCE, SERVICE, AND EQUIPMENT

6. DEFENSE

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VISIT TO AN R.A.F. FIGHTER STATION
1.

THE STATION AND ITS PERSONNEL

The group visited by the observers consists of three
squadrone of Spitfires, 8 station headquarters squadron, supporting antiaircraft and airdrome defense forces, and a small number
of auxiliary and service units. Nearby is a dummy field, as well
as a satellite field at which a squadron of Defiants operate as
night pursuit. Units are all under the command of a group
captain.

The establishment is permenent, and the R.A.F. calls it
"station." Besides a complete peacetime base, it comprises improvised defense works and temporary buildings added for the
expanded garrison after hostilities commenced. The landing field
is an irregular oval, and surfaced and gently sloping to the east
and south. Running around the edge of the field and flush with
it is a paved road called the perimeter track. The area enclosed
within the road is roughly estimated at 2500 feet by 3500 feet.
Spotted irregularly around the road are twelve or more "dispersal
pens," each designed to hold two airplanes. In addition, there
are three hangars, each of which may house from one to four air-

a

planes undergoing work.

A few additional airplanes were seen scattered about

at the edges of the field, unprotected by the dispersal pens.
Although the field has been attacked in four separate daylight
raids and several hundred bombs have fallen on the field or in
the vicinity, the buildings have thus far escaped damage, except
that one permenent building was hit while under construction.

The holes in the field and the damaged dispersal pens, were quickly
repaired after ench bombing and the field was never out of use

for more than 24 hours. Security forces and entiaircreft units
are constantly ready, but in the main the work of the station
moves on without noticeable interruption.

A sod field, if soil and weather permit its establishment, is preferred to ordinary runways, for the latter are hard
to camouflage and are not so quickly repaired after bomb hits.

Squadron personnel live less than a quarter of a mile

from the field. This is essential in the case of interceptor

units. The three operational squadrons have very little to do
with administrative matters; base personnel attend to such details.
Records of personnel and service are kept by the headquarters
squadron: supply and equipment paper work is handled by the
station equipment brench and the accounting branch: messes are
run by organizations other than the squadrons themselves. In

fact, squadrons perform only the operational duties of flying
and maintenance.
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The station commanding officer delegates practically all
administrative detail to an executive called the station administrative officer, who is assisted by an adjutant and an assistant
adjutant.
There are about 2500 people at this station, of whom
1100 are in the station headquarters souadron and 500 in the three
operational squadrons. The remainder are attached antiaircraft,
infentry engineers or sappers, and miscellaneous troops.
The station headquarters squadron is organized as follows:
Officers
a.

Station Headquarters Section

16

b.

Operations Room Section

12

259
88

C. Defense Section

Equipment Section

e.

Accounting Section

f. Signal Section
g.
h.

1.

316

6

d.

21

2

15

2

95

2

Workshops Section
Bombing Range Section

Airmen

24

0

11

0

Station Engineering
Armament, etc.

4

Total

933

44

Women's Auxiliary Air Force

104

5

117

There are about 200 soldiers in antiaircraft, 200 to 300
in infantry, 300 R.A.F. airmen primarily engaged in airdrome defense,
and about 60 sappers with rifles in reserve. In the remainder of
the garrison, meny of the men are armed with .45-caliber pistols.
When the R.A.F. was expending, each squadron was split,
and replacements were added to make two squadrons. Present practice

is to form new operational units at an operational training center
and to continue operational training until these units are ready
to relieve active units.
2. FORMATIONS

Formations flown by fighter squadrons are based upon the
three ship Vee element. They are shown below:
a.

I

Fighter formations ascend and descend through over-

cast in three or six-ship flights as training and conditions of

visibility warrant.

(2)

(1)

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Take off in clear weather in flights of six

b.

planes as in (2) above, and join in twelve-ship aquadron formation of three plane Vee stepped down.
In cruising, the leader
of the last element
does a figure "8" as
lookout below.

The two wing men of

the last element
alternate back and forth
as lookouts from above

and down to the level of

1

the leading element.

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2

3

When an enemy is sighted, announcement is made over the

voice radio in reference to the leader as above or below in clock
code. Example: "Six bandits three o'clock below". It should be

of interest to note that the last element - lookouts - in this

formation are known as "Tail End Charlies" and are referred to
in squadron orders as Charlie 1, 2, and 3.
c.

Cruising formation, six-plane flight.

Charlie 1 above and

Charlie 2

down to level of leader

Same as 1

Cruising formation of three plane flight sometimes sent out as check on depth of overcast or as small patrol.
When in the clear, thus:
d.

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Charlie above and across, never

below, leader responsible for rear
Some squadrons - 12 planes - prefer to cruise in
this manner. When attacked by hostile fighters, they always attempt
e.

at least to fight in pairs. This formation is very much like our
two-ship formation, but elements are more in line.

Stepped
down

Stepped

Variation

down

Below

Charlies

alternately above

and to level of

Above and to level
of leader

leader

If attacked by hostile pursuit squadrons go into "line
astern" or string stepped down by flights of six.
f.

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Leader and last man check rear in rear vision mirrors

"Line estern" is inveriably used for all attacks except

when hostile formations are met head-on.
g.

If enemy pursuit is sighted with altitude advantage, the

squadren goes into a defensive circle - our Lufberry circle - and

attempts to climb the entire circle to an advantageous altitude.

as F

the

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is

th

as

ap H

a

h. All cruising formetions of any type always have lookouts,

or Cherlies.

3. TACTICS
a.

Attacking Methods

Spitfire squadrons cruise in columns of sections as

shown in 2b. Planes are close together except for the last section,
which forms the rear guerd. The actual formation adopted varies
according to the desire of the squadron leader. When attacking,
planes usually divide into two flights of two or three sections
each, the flights forming "line astern" stepped down - a close string
with each pilot aiming and firing individually. Whenever possible,
pilots attempt to strike bombers head-on, in which case the flight
attacks the bomber formation in a broad Vee. One squadron leader

stated that he eimed first at the engine nacelle, since a disabled
motor so slows the target plane that it is easy to finish off the
cripple in a second attack.

Against hostile fighters, "line astern" tactics are
employed. If the enemy formation has en altitude adventage, the

leader circles and closes the line into a defensive circle - a Lufberry
circle - and mainteins it until a position favorable for attack has
been gained or until the enemy pullo away. Once formed, the circle
usually gains altitude as it moves around. The R.A.F. does not use

massed fire - that is, fire in which only the leader aims, and the
remainder of the flight fires on his aim.

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b. Miscellaneous
Long range firing is not used, since British pilots
state they cannot afford to throw away rounds at long range with
only 15 seconds or less of fire. Bullets are also more likely to

miss, to bounce off armor, and to spread more at long renge. Guns

are sighted to intersect at 250 yards. The pilot aims at the motor
first, and when the hostile plane is crippled, he attempts to cut
the tail off. Personnel are apt to be too hard to hit because of
armor protection.

Pilots of fighters prefer speed first, but climb and

maneuverability also are vastly important. Thus some compromise
is necessary. One solution is to employ several types and use

them as a team in accordance with the situstion. A very fast, high
flying fighter, such as the Spitfire, is needed to combat the German
fighter. The highly maneuverable, rugged, and dependable Hurricane
is more effective against hostile bombers end reconnaissance. The

controlling factors are the hostile situation and flying conditions.
4,

PILOTS

Some information regarding pilots of fighter squadrone

is given here. This information was collected in talks with pilots
and the group captain at the fighter station.
High altitude flying is indispensable to daytime interceptor pursuit. All pilots insist they must meet enemy fighters
on equal terms in respect to altitude, elthough of course they prefer
to have an altitude advantage. The trend is to engage at ceiling,
with each side trying to out-top the other. German fighters raiding
Great Britain have the advantage of initiative and a long approach
for gaining altitude. The usuel height given e petrol is 30,000
feet and it works up from there if time is available.
The only physical reaction normally noticed is a degree

of exhaustion efter each flight. In extreme cases, when a pilot
is not entirely fit, stomach distress is felt, and some pilots complain of pain from "the bends" in wrists and fingers.

Fighter pilots fly from two to four high altitude
missions a day, with only one or two days a week to rest. If this

schedule is adhered to, they should be relieved from an active
sector after about six weeks. Such relief is best provided by removing the entire squadron to a quiet sector. The three squadrons
visited had been in action for more then two months, but with winter's
shorter days and less action, they were not as fatigued as they
would have been in July or August. The average mission, called a

"sortie," is less then 1} hours in duration.
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The flying hours of pilots depend upon enemy activity

and availability of relief. Some units average 60 hours per month
in an active sector, but the average is about 40 hours per month.
Pilots are expected to be able to take off with
ground visibility as low as 50 yerds, but this is extreme, and it

invites accidents. In low ceiling and quarter-mile visibility or
higher ceiling, the planes of a flight take off together and climb

through the overcast in sections, re-forming on top. The same
procedure is followed in descending. When visibility and ceiling
are bad at the home field, the squadron is landed at another airport.
5.

MAINTENANCE. SERVICE, AND EQUIPMENT
a.

Maintenance

(1) Airplanes
Stockage of parts and other supplies is not
fixed by percentage of new airplanes, but is based upon consumption

records and general availability of materials. Elaborate percentage
tables prepared in peacetime are completely disregarded in war,
according to the equipment officer. Three spare engines per squadron

are allotted to the station: these are assigned directly to the

squadrons and are kept by the station engineering section. Very
few engine changes occur because of the relatively short life of
airplanes in active combat squadrons.
Intermediate storage depots, similar to American

air corps depots, are used. All classes of property are supplied,
or at least controlled, from one intermediate depot.
(2)

Air Fields

Repair of damage to the air field and defense
works and emergency repair of roads at the station are functions
of a section of Royel Engineers consisting of about 68 men and two

or three officers. This unit is stationed at the airdrome for the
specific purpose of keeping the air field serviceable.
When bombs fall on the field, rubble is dumped
into the holes by trucks. A gasoline-operated bulldozer pushes rim

earth on top of the rubble in the crater and then runs over it for
the purpose of packing it down. The entire petch is finally leveled

with a power roller, and sometimes an asphalt and macadam surface

is applied.

Work commences at daybreak after a night attack,

and all holes are filled and surfaced within a few hours. Meanwhile,
bed places are marked with flags, and flying continues so long as
a sufficiently large undamaged area is available for a take-off.
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When they are not engaged in making emergency

repairs, the engineers install protective sendbags and repair and
reinforce blockhouses, earthworks and barricades.
The construction, maintenance and repair of

structures are responsibilities of the Works and Building Branch,
similar to the United States Q.M.C. Original construction, including shelter trenches, dispersal pens, and revetments, was done
mostly by private contractors under the direction of Works and
Buildings.

b. Services
(1) Fuel and Oil
Fuel and oil are delivered by contractors in
tank trucks and then drained into underground storege tanks having

a capacity of about 78,000 imperial gallons. They are distributed
to airplanes by small, light servicing trucks having capacity of
400 gallons each. These trucks are quickly filled from overhead
pipes at the main fuel storage tanks. Airplanes are also serviced
from overhead hose lines. The equipment section of the station
headquarters squadron is responsible for distribution of fuel and
oil to airplanes.
(2) Signal
The signal section maintains and operates the

Tannoy loudspeaker installation for publishing pertinent instructions and information constently. The entire commend may be

instantly alerted, ordered to readiness, or told to "stand down."
Telephone, radio, and teletypewriter installations, as well as
various signal lights in operations control room, are used.
In the case of fighter aircraft, radio operators
in the squadron replace unserviceable radio sets with serviceable
sets as they are needed. Except for simple tests and replacement
of dead tubes, no rrdio repair is attempted in operating squadrons.
Complete radio sets for airplanes are always at hand for installation
in fighter airplanes with minimum loss of time.
(3) Ammunition and Armament.

Machine gun ammunition is issued daily to

flights in small lots from the station armement section storehouse.
A small stock - enough for one day's operations - is kept on hand
in each dispersal pen. Stock consumed is replaced the following
day.

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In operating flights, the number of machine
guns kept on hand as spares is equal to ten per cent of the total

number in use. In the Spitfire, machine guns are located in the

wings and are completely covered. They are heated by air ducts

leading from the radiator to each gun. The blast tube opening is
covered over with a fabric patch coped to the wing as a protection
against weather on the ground and against moisture or ice in flight.

At the first burst of gun fire, the patch is blown off.

Of eight guns, three usually fire ball ammunition:
one gun, incendiary Mark IV, slightly explosive; two guns, armor
piercing ammunition; and two guns, outboard, ball ammunition except
for the last 50 rounds, which are tracer. There are 350 rounds for
each gun, or enough for 15 seconds of fire. Total fire power amounts
to 160 seconds at the rate of 1100 rounds per minute per gun.
C. Equipment.

(1) Flying Clothes

In general, British flying clothing is similar to

that used in the United States: electrically heated clothing was
not used at the station visited. Hip length woolen stockings procured from the Royal Navy were issued to pilots to protect their
knees from the cold. The pilot usually wears gloves, a sweater,

and a scarf; he always wears a helmet, en oxygen mask, goggles, and

R.A.F. flying boots. If he wears a flying suit, it is an Irvin

suit, with or without wool liner. Some cockpit warmth is gained
from the engine, but there is no cockpit heater provided. Pilots
frequently open cockpit hoods when they are in action.
Some vilots grease their faces between oxygen
mask and helmet, since goggles slide or blow off and cheek bones
become exposed to the cold air streams. In combat, goggles with

partial face masks are considered essential to protect the pilot
against gasoline, prestone, fire in the cockpit, or glass particles
sprayed in the face from hits on the windshield. Few pilots remove
goggles when entering combat.

A primery consideration in flying clothing for
the Fighter Command or interceptor pursuit pilot is the time factor
at the take off.
Since R.A.F. boots are suitable for wear about

the field, in the mess, or in the air, the pilot's feet are always
ready when he is "available" or "in readiness."

The helmet assembly has earphones, microphone,

oxygen tube, and goggles attached. It is split up the back, and
when the pilot is preparing for a take off, he can quickly pull on
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the assembly and adjust it. It may be kept in the cockpit. If

the helmet is donned outside, the oxygen tube and redio cords must

be plugged in. This is very easily done.
(2) Oxygen

Oxygen equipment is similar to that used in the

United States. It consists of high pressure bottled oxygen with a

regulator valve. The tank is charged to about 1800 or 2000 pounds
per square inch, and the automatic regulator can be set for normal

feed according to eltitude. Manuel control allows for excessive
rate of supply if this is desired. Except when feeding is at the
normal rate, supply is likely to run out before fuel is exhausted.

Pilots are not in favor of pressure cabins.
They fear the effect of bullet or cannon shell holes end also the
impairment of vision, particularly in dives. At the present time
Spitfire cabine tend to ice up inside of the windshield in a long
dive as a result of body and breath moisture, cold glass - particularly
the one-inch bullet-proof glass - and imperfect ventilation with no
cockpit heater. Pilots generally believe that this condition would
be aggravated in pressure cabins. If pressure is needed they
argue for pressure suits as lighter, cheaper, and more dependable,
even if they are clumsy to wear.
6. DEFENSE

a. General
The defense of the airdrome and its airplanes against
attack from the ground by parachute troops, against attack from the

air by transport or by flying columns of invading forces, and
against sabotage is the responsibility of the airdrome defense
officer. Revetments pre used for the protection of airplanes.
Fighter planes stend in dispersal pens in the open, ready for

action, except when undergoing their 30, 60, and 90-hour periodic
inspections. These take place in a hangar.
The following passive defense measures against air
attack are used:

(1) Dispersal;

(2) Camouflage;

(3) Shelter trenches for personnel;
(4) Revetments for airplanes;
(5) Underground and partly bomb-proof shelters for
gasoline, oil, and ammunition;

(6) Sandbag protection at critical points;

(7) Warning system to alert the entire command.
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The following active defense means are used for

olose-in defense of the air field:

(1) Half battery of four 4.5-inch antiaircraft guns;
(2) Half battery of four 40-mm. Bofors entiaircreft
guns;

(3) Several armored trucks, each mounting two
.303-celiber machine guns;
(4) About six block houses containing two machine
guns each;

(5) A system of trenches and earthworks forming strong
points near each block house;
(6) A barbed wire barricade completely encircling
(7)

the post;
A company of infantry to man ground defenses,
and prevent sabotage;

(8) A section of Royal Engineers, all trained riflemen;

(9) R.A.F. personnel of the airdrome defense section,
some of whom trained machine gunners for air

or ground defense, and others riflemen;
(10) A system of spotters, who keep a constant watch
from a point on a hangar roof;

(11) Intelligence received from sector control

(operations room) by Tannoy and telephone;

(12) Fighter Aircraft for interception of the enemy,
although such aircraft would not normally
operate for close-in protection.

b. Camouflage
Camouflage of the entire station was planned by a
technical expert and the work was performed by station personnel.
Paint and turf have been used, and there are shelter trenches,
revetments, and a small amount of netting around gun emplacements.

This station is not easily located from the air because of its

irregular outline, its arrangement of hangers and other buildings,
the close proximity of the village, and absence of any distinguishing
landmarks. Peinted stripes on the turf landing area simulate hedgerows when seen from aloft and seemingly break up the large field
into seemingly small fields. These simulated hedge-rows must be
renewed frequently, since the paint tends to wash away when it rains.
The dummy air field nearby has attracted a great many bombs.

It is fairly obvious that this station could not
have escaped severe damage had it been located, like many American

airports, in the bend of a river or on a shoreline. The first
essential for concealment of an operational air field is a naturally
inconspicuous location.
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C. Chemical Defense
The chemical defense system comes under the station

gas officer, who, in turn, is under the airdrome defense officer.
He is in charge of the gas defense center, decontemination units,
gas equipment reserve, and gas defense squads, and he is responsible

for gas training. Each unit also has its own gas officer.

For equipment, every individual on the post is
issued a No. 5 gas equipment set: civilian employees draw sets on

loan. The set consists of a gas mask with container, anti-dim,
six pairs of eye shields, a cape, e hood, and in some cases
trousers. About a third of the personnel also have gauntlets
and overboots.

Each squadron has on hand, in a convenient storeroom,
a 200 per cent reserve of No. 5 ges equipment and special equipment
for decontamination squads. In the headquarters squadron storeroom

are gum boots, short coats, trousers, gauntlets, lanterns, wheel-

barrows, picks, shovels, and long-handled brushes - enough to equip
28 men, or four squads, for decontaminetion work.
In nearby storage sheds there are many tons of
bleaching powder. Dumps of loose sand and piles of sandbags are

located at intervels of approximately 200 feet all over the post.
While the sand is used primerily to quench incendiary bombs, it
is also available for gas defense purposes. Shovels are posted
at the entrances of all buildings.
Each squadron has trained decontamination squads.

All occupied buildings end all shelters are provided with double
gas-proof blanket frames at entrances, although blankets are not
always in place. The danger of invesion is now held to be remote,
and consequently gas attack is not considered imminent. With the
exception of the fact that gas blankets are absent from some
doorweys, all possible precnutions against gas attack appear ready

for instant use. Gas alerms are strategically located, and the

Tannoy speaker would doubtless be used to issue general warning

as soon as hostile gas actions were reported.

In addition to normal reserves of anti-gas clothing,
large stocks of light weight enti-ges hoods, coats, trousers, overboots, and gauntlets are maintained for issue to those whose duties
require them to work out doors when subject to gas exposure.

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Persphrase of Code Cablegram
Received at the War Department

at 13:00, April 10, 1941.

London, filed 18:30, April 10.
The War Office has released the fellowing information to date
of mean today.

1. The British situation east of Tobruch in Idiga is serious.
2. In Greese there is evidence of a German double envelopment
of the Basters Nasodenian Greek forces fres Salenika. The Germans are

apperently taking up positions in the Variar Valley.
8. Reports have been received that a Germa force has advanced
south into Tageslavia from Hungary.
4. Germa mechanised columns took Fresevas and are proceeding

to Printing and The columns advancing from Prilep to Menastir
have proceeded as far as Nogila. The columns which took Wish and have
now proceeded as far as Proinspije and Basanj consisted of 5 German

divisions some necktained. Other columns crossed the Demise as Tekijo
and Kindeve. Virevities and Koprivaion were captured by forces which
cressed the Drava River.
SCANSON

Retributions
Secretary of War
State Department

Secretary of Treasury
Under Secretary of Bar

Chief of Staff

War Plans Division

Office of Naval Intelligence
Gas

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of

the War Department

401

at 10:11, April 10, 1941.
London, filed 15:35, April 10, 1941.

1. British Air Activity over the Continent.
4. Daylight, April 9. Operations were limited to sweeps of
pursuit ships over occupied France and Belgium and airplane conveys

ever seaborne traffic off the coasts of England. One freighter was
damaged by Constal Command fighters in raids off the Holland and Breton
soasts.

b. Right, April 8-9. Serious destruction is claimed for
British flights totaling 160 planes over Kiel and 39 over Bremerhaven
and Retterian. Persuit squadrone were active in bonbing German air
fields in coopied France with some success reported.

2. German Air Activity over Britain.
a. Night, April 9-10. Binningham and Type were heavily
bombed in a series of widespread raids. Information as to damage is
lacking.

k. Daylight, April 9. German operations were limited to
seattered flights of single planes over Partamouth and Pools and three
over Deal.

3. Air Lesses British Theater.

&. British, night of April 8-9. Five British planes failed
to return from raids over Holland and Germany. None was lost in the
raids over cocupied France.

h. German, night of April 9-10. Night pursuit ships shot
down four German planes with two more probable and two damaged.

Daylight, April 9. Four enemy planes were shet down
with two probable and four damaged.

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4. British Air Activity in Middle Eastern Theater.
British air forces were active in operations from Greece
and Egypt against German ground troops, mechanised vehicles, and

planes in Yugoalavia, Greece, and Bangasi, Libya.

5. Intelligence from British authorities in both Greese and
Exypt is much retarded in reaching London.

6. Heavy destruction is reported as result of the Germin reids
of 180 estimated planes night of April 8-9, especially in Coventry.
The Dainler factory and other important works bombed in secondary
raids on Portsmouth suffered serious damage.

7. British Military Intelligence reports that at the time of
the Genein attack on Yugoalavia six armies out of seven were not fully
mobilised and the one which was mobilized (3d Army) was advancing

tennis Albania. Disposition of arries was as follows:
4 - Northern Yagoalavia.

2nd Army - partly to Sarajevo Aren, the rest seattered
in other amies.

1st Army - partly in Pirot Area, rest driven west of
Shoplie.
SCANLON

Distribution
Secretary of War
State Department

Secretary of Treasury
Under Secretary of War

Chief of Staff

War Plans Division

Office of Naval Intelligence

Air Corps

Assistant Chief of Staff, 0-3

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Paraphrase of Code Ballegria

Received as the Yes

as 13:53, April 10, 1941.

Softa, filed 20:30, April 9, 1941.
1. In reply to your Subtograph Newber Six. - Balgurian

divisions are definitely I to be located as follows:
frestier: Second Rapid Division (Half
only), 1st, Sad (Half only), 3ml, 4th, 5th, Stan, 9th, 10th, 15th Informay
divisions.

treatter - Regis (Half only), Red Infentity
Division (Half only), 18th, 39th.
can, 7th (less 39th Inf. Regt.),

asea, 26th (tromplete) infortay divisions.
14th informay divisions.

a. Selging from the German treep dispositions, as attack -

Togoslavia - libely at - time. Their divisions are placed as follows:

Section area " frestier s or 5 divisions.
Aves S.W. of Beftal , or s divisions including - medicained
division.

Princish ml - south of Please - Street
tember 4w3 divisions.

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total treatment 4 w divisions placed in year of the Dal-

Secretary of Mar

office of Naval Intelligence

State Department

Secretary of Secondary
Union decretary of Year

obses of Staff
Mar Please Division

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Paraphrase of Code Cablegram

Received at the Mar Department

at 10:12, April 10, 1941
Lossion, filed 14:45, April 10, 1941
1.

In reference to your request for information dated

April 7th in regard to strength and disposition of the British in
the Balkans, this office has accured unofficial information confirming our report of strength of the British armies in Greece
embled on April 8th.* All troops are from General Wavell's communi
and are now in defensive positions approximately Veria-Dessedetrove and south of the Monastir gap.
2.

At the beginning of the Middle East operations

Prime Minister Charahill personally prohibited the Ministrice from
reporting strength, disposition or movements of British troops,
High authorities requested that we be given the information you

acted for without success. It is not impossible that the desired
information may be submitted direct to the President.
SCANLON

# Resumes Two infantry divisions, an amored group and

my antiairwaft batterios, eight bombows, three fighter and -

- cooperation spatress.
Distributions
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State Department

Secretary of Treasury

Under Secretary of War

Chief of Staff
Assistant Chief of staff, 0-2

War Please Division

office of Naval Intelligence

Air Oarge

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Paraphrase of Code Indiagram
Deceived at the Mar Department

at 10:22, April 10, 1941.

Dame, filed 14:05, April 9, 1941.
Large Italian and German foress have been concentrating

near Brindies and Bari. They include ensered elements. The can-

contention has been in progress for the last four days. The intembies is a leading operation es the vest coast of Greese. This
is based on statements of a thoroughly trustworthy source.
FINER

Distributions
Secretary of War
State Department

Secretary of Treasury
Valor Secretary of Mar
Whief of Staff
Your Pleas Division

office of Naval Intelligence

Air Garge

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