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June 24, 1940

Mr. Knudsen called HM,Jr at 11:15 from Detroit, Mich.

The following is a record of their conversation:
Mr. Knudsen: How are you?

HM,Jr: I am fine, thank you.
Mr. Knudsen: I talked to Ford for about an hour and
a half today. I was with Edsel and Henry. We argued back
and forth for an hour and a half. He is willing to make
10,00 motors for the United States, but he will not make

any contract with the Allies. That puts the thing up in
the air. If you think it is all right, I will talk to some
one else in Detroit and will try to transfer the deal.
HM,Jr: In view of the fact that it is an English
motor, I don't think that we can make such a contract with

Ford.

Mr. Knudsen: What do you think of my talking with

Packard?

HM,Jr: I think it is just fine.
Mr. Knudsen: You did not have such a good impression
of Chrysler?

HM,Jr: No, but Mr. Keller, of Chrysler, wrote me
firmly that they were no longer interested because they
felt the engine did not lend itself to mass production.

I know that Packard is very anxious to get some business.

I am with you 100%.

Mr. Knudsen: I told Ford that I will hold it off

until 11 o'clock tomorrow just in case he wants to think
it over. Edsel said that his father changed his mind when
he saw the Beaverbrook announcement. I don't understand
their attitude. They have been selling trucks to the French.
HM,Jr: After you have talked to Packard, perhaps you
and I will see the President.
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CONFIDENTIAL

June 24, 1940

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

Mr. Ballantyne advised me that the Anglo-French
Purchasing Board has never bought anything from Ford in

the United States and that no negotiations are pending.
The Anglo-French Purchasing Board has already placed

one large order for trucks and is now negotiating two
additional orders for trucks with Ford in Canada.

Py.

CONFIDENTIAL
224

June 24, 1940

My dear Admiral Noyes:

Will you please transmit the following cable for
me to Ambassador Kennedy via secret naval code:

QUOTE - 1. Could you find out what has
happened to French aircraft carrier Bearn
and its cargo of American airplanes?

2. I have only turned over the plans for
the Rolls Royce Merlin engines III - X -

XX to manufacturers. Pending receiving

word from Lord Beaverbrook direct through

you, I am holding the balance of the plans
in custody. Please ask Lord Beaverbrook
what he wishes me to do with them. The
Rolls Royce representative in this country
-

is making a demond nuisance of himself.

UNQUOTE

Yours sincerely,
(Signed)

H.

Morgenthau,

Jr.

Rear Admiral Leigh Noyes, U.S.N.
Director of Naval Communications,
Room 2622, Navy Building
Washington, D.C.

mr.

CONFIDENTIAL
225

June 24, 1940

My dear Admiral Noyes:

will you please transmit the following cable for
me to Ambassador Kennedy via secret naval code:

QUOTE - 1. Could you find out what has
happened to French aircraft carrier Bearn
and its cargo of American airplanes?

2. I have only turned over the plans for
the Rolls Royce Merlin engines III - X -

XX to manufacturers. Pending receiving
word from Lord Beaverbrook direct through
you, I am holding the balance of the plans
in custody. Please ask Lord Beaverbrook
what he wishes me to do with them. The
Rolls Royce representative in this country
is making a datemed nuisance of himself. UNQUOTE

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) H Morenthau, Jr.

Rear Admiral Leigh Noyes, U.S.N.
Director of Naval Communications,
Room 2622, Navy Building
Washington, D.C.

my bly but 20

By

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226

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE June 24, 1940.
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Haas

OR

Reports from the Work Projects Administration show that
employment declined 74,000 to 1,785,000, for the week ending
June 12, 1940, from the 1,859,000 persons reported for the

preceding week.

Attachments

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WORK PROJECTS ADMINISTRATION

Number of Workers Employed - Weekly

United States

Week Ending
1939-40
November 1
November 8
November 15
November 22
November 29

Number of Workers

(In thousands)
1,901
1,929
1,961
1,987
2,024

December 6
December 13
December 20
December 27

2,075
2,123
2,144
2,152

January 3
January 10
January 17
January 24
January 31

2,160
2,190
2,222
2,244
2,266

February 7
February 14
February 21
February 28

2,288
2,306
2,319
2,324

March 6
March 13
March 20
March 27

2,324
2,319
2,312
2,288

April 3
April 10
April 17
April 24

2,204
2,162
2,118
2,092

May 1
May 8
May 15
May 22
May 29

2,059
2,008
1,970
1,945
1,925

June 5
June 12

1,859
1,785

Source: Work Projects Administration.

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WORK PROJECTS ADMINISTRATION

Number of Workers Employed - Monthly

United States

Number of Workers
1937

(In thousands)

July
August

September
October
November
December
1938

January
February
March

April
May

June

July
August
September

October

November
December
1939

January

February
March

April
May

June

July
August
September
October
November
December
1940

January

February

March

April
May

Source: Work Projects Administration

Monthly figures are weekly figures for the latest
week of the month.

They include certified and noncertified workers.

1,569
1,480
1,448
1,476
1,520
1,671
1,901
2,075
2,445
2,582
2,678
2,807
3,053
3,171
3,228
3,346
3,287
3,094
2,986
3,043
2,980
2,751
2,600
2,551
2,200
1,842
1,790
1,902
2,024
2,152
2,266
2,324
2,288
2,092
1,925

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WORK PROJECTS ADMINISTRATION
Number of Workers Employed

United States
Monthly W.P.A. Employment

Weekly V.P.A. Employment
MA.

WILLIONS WILLIONS

MILLIONS

1940

1939

'4 1

NAT - MRLA - - - JMI M MEM - m

1941

or
BORKERS

BORKERS BORKERS

MORKERS

3.4

3.4

3.3
3.3

3.2

3.2

3.2
3.2

3.1
3.1

2.8

2.8

3.0

3.0

2.9
2.9

2.4

2.4

2.0
2.8

2.7

2.7

2.4

2.0

2.0

2.6

2.5

2.5

2.4

2.4
1.6

1.6

2.3

2.3

2.2

2.2
1.2

1.2

2.1

2.1

2.0
2.0

.8

1.9

1.9

1.0

1.8

1.7
A

1.7

1.6

1.6

J

1937

1938

1939

1940

1.5
0

1935 1936

-

1.5

JAN.

'41

MAR.

MAY

JULY

1939

SEPT.

NOV.

JAN.

MAR.

MAY

JULY

1940

SEPT.

NOV.

JAN.

MAR

1941

SOURCE: BORK PROJECTS ADMINISTRATION

z 221 az
the Secretary of the Treasury
Statistics

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June 24, 1940
Mr. Fehle
Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
At 3 o'clock this afternoon Mr. Leroy-Benulieu told me by telephone from New
York that Mr. Boyer, who had celled on us last week in regard to the Banque Framesise
Italienne, is now quite nervous lest the American freesing operations may have so

injured the credit of this institution in Latin America that it will be obliged to

close. Leray-Resulieu thought that unless ve any have received some information
from Rome in regard to the bank being under Italian control, since the date on which
he spoke to no. ve night feel free to g ahead toward taking some steps to keep this
bank in operation. when I telephoned the above information to Mr. Peble, he asked
why the possibility of embling to Home was mentioned. I explained that Mr. LereyBeaulieu had advanced the idea the other day when he was here that I might be able
to obtain some pertinent information in regard to the present operation of this beak

through our Ambasaador at None. I had told his at that time that I did not conten-

plate such n cablegram, and I informed him further today that the Treasury had made
no inquiry in Italy. I made no recommendation to Mr. Peble on this case, but simply
enffirmed my position that we are likely to de more hare than good in delaying trans-

actions without possessing positive reasons therefor. Leroy-Beaulieu has critically
remarked that if the Treasury decides the beak is Italian. ve leave it free to
operate as it pleases. while if we consider it French, we restrict it.

MMP.

HMC: esk: dm: 6/25/40

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

June 25, 1940

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

There is attached a copy of a memorandum to the Department of Commerce,

signed by Mr. Bell, which gives the data necessary for the published records. I took
up yesterday with Mr. Simpson of the Division of Foreign Trade Statistics of the

Department of Commerce the question of getting the gold shipment under reference

carried in the report for the week ending June 19. It will be recalled that we made
payment for the gold on June 19. although the cargo did not actually arrive alongside
until June 20, and was not unloaded until June 21 and 22.

It was physically impossible for the Department of Commerce to include this
item, since the stenciled report for the week ended June 19 had already gone to the
printers, and I thought it would be entirely 111 advised to have any footnote or
correction added thereto which would attract attention. Furthermore, both the
officials in the Department of Commerce and in the Federal Reserve Bank at New York
thought it more technically correct to show the shipment for the week ending June 26.
Messrs. Gardner and Morse of the Federal Reserve Board have telephoned me

today in regard to this entry. I have insisted that it is to be kept absolutely

confidential. I told them that any inquiries which I might receive would be referred

to Mr. Schwars.

BMP.

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KEMORANDUM

June 24, 1940

Te: U. S. Department of Connerce,

Division of Foreign Trade Statistics
Attention: Mr. Simpson
will you kindly include is your Weekly Statement of Gold

and Silver Exports and Importe for the week ending June 26.
1940, as import into New York of 6,902,171.358 fine ounces of
gold valued at $241,575,997.53. This shipment case free France.

It will not be covered by any other entry papers.

(Signed) D. W. BELL

D. W. Bell
Under Secretary of the Treasury

(Init.) H. M. 0g

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

233

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

JUN 25 1940

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

Mr. Foley

FROM

On Wednesday, June 19, 1940 general understanding was reached by

Messrs. Knudsen, Biggers, Jones and representatives of Wright Aeronautical

Corporation on a plan for financing the acquisition of new facilities by
private manufacturers who participate in the national defense program.
Attached is a tentative draft of an agreement embodying the plan and a
two-page summary.

The agreement covers the case of an aircraft engine manufacturer who con-

templates buying a tract of land, erecting a new plant, and installing machinery to produce engines for the United States and foreign governments. The
object of the agreement is to provide a method for financing these additional
facilities through travelling a well-beaten path of finance as far as consistent with sound economy and the public interest.

The agreement achieves this objective by adapting the theory of revenue

financing of public enterprises to private corporate participation in the

national defense program. A government corporation, wholly owned by the RFC,

will lend the private manufacturer sufficient money to expand his plant. The
loan will be payable exclusively from the revenue produced through the use of
the new facilities, and will be secured by a first mortgage on the plant or
machinery. The credit of the manufacturer will not be pledged to the payment
of the loan, and no recourse will be possible against any of his property not
acquired with the proceeds of the loan.
The loan, as distinguished from the physical plant or machinery, will be
amortized by including in the sales price of each engine sold to the United

States and foreign governments a fixed sum which will, assuming capacity opera-

tions, produce an amount equal to the loan in eight years. This is called the
"Amortization Amount." Monthly payments on account of the loan will then be
made from the proceeds of the sales and will be computed by simply multiplying
the Amortization Amount by the number of engines delivered the preceding month.
Interest on the unpaid balance of the loan is payable yearly, at four per cent
per annum.
is

Whenever the manufacturer is without any unfilled orders for engines he
given three choices: (1) he can pay off the loan, (2) he can pay a sum equal
to the fair value of the facilities, as determined by the governmental corpora-

tion, with the approval of the President, or (3) he can convey title to the
facilities to the Government. Only if the manufacturer does not exercise any
of these choices can there be a foreclosure sale. However, if the facilities
consist only of additions to existing buildings or machinery there can be no
foreclosure sale but the Government must demolish the additions, or repossess
the machinery unless the manufacturer exercises one of his choices.

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Because the manufacturer is thus safeguarded against all competition,

it is not in the public interest to utilize this method in the case of

industries where Government operation is traditional, such as arsenals and power
plants, or in the case of private monopolies, such as the aluminum industry.

Time is of the essence if the national defense program is to succeed.
Consequently, the loan must be made even before the contracts for the sale of

the aircraft engines are executed so that the new facilities can be built or

bought immediately.

The governmental financing agency must take the risk of insufficient orders

from which to repay the loan. That risk is too great for private enterprise to

assume. Government ownership of all new facilities will not be necessary if the
proposed plan is understood as a device to encourage private enterprise and is
administered in this spirit, and not in the moneylender's tradition.

It probably goes without saying, but to avoid any possibility whatever of
misunderstanding, it may be well to mention that the Amortization Amount bears
no relation to the allowances for depreciation, obsolescence and loss of useful
value authorized as deductions under the income tax laws and as costs under the
Vinson-Trammel Act. The rapidity with which the United States Steel Corporation
may redeem its debentures has nothing to do with the period within which it
depreciates its physical assets. So, here, the fact that an eight-year period
is allowed for the amortization of the loan (i.e. the capital investment) does
not affect in any way the period which is allowed for making good the deprecia-

tion or obsolescence of the project (i.e. the capital loss); loose use of the

word "amortize" has caused much of the existing confusion.

The word "amortize" is derived from the Latin ad (to) and mors (death) and
means to deaden; hence, to extinguish a debt. And that is all the Amortization
Amount under the draft agreement accomplishes.

inth

Summary of Draft Agreement

235

There is attached hereto a draft form of agreement intended to carry into effect a plan for financing expansion of productive capacity of manufacturing plants
participating in the national defense program. It contemplates the creation of a
corporation to be known as the "Defense Finance Corporation" to be organized under
Senator Glass' bill (S. 3938) by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation which
would finance an aircraft engine manufacturer desiring to increase his capacity.
Part One, §1 recites that the manufacturer desires to purchase land, construct
a plant, and purchase machinery (but only machinery usable for the production of
engines purchased by the Army and Navy), and has applied to the Defense Finance
Corporation for a loan which has been approved by that Corporation.

Part One, §2 provides that the Defense Finance Corporation will loan the manufacturer funds to buy the land, construct the plant, and purchase the machinery, the
loan to be secured solely by a mortgage, it being understood that the credit of the
manufacturer is not being pledged to the payment of the loan.

Part One, §3 provides that the manufacturer will include in the sales price of
aircraft engines produced in the new plant an amount which, if the plant operates

at full capacity for 8 years, will yield a sum within that period equal to the

amount of the loan, thus amortizing the capital investment within an 8-year period.

It is clearly stated that this formula has nothing to do with so-called "amortization" under the income tax and profit limitation laws, which permits deductions for

wear and tear, obsolescence, and loss of useful value in computing net income and
profits.

Part One, §4 provides that the manufacturer will repay the loan monthly according to the number of engines produced and sold to the Government of the United
States and to foreign governments during the preceding month. Interest at the rate
of 4 per centum is payable annually.
Part One, §5 provides that the Defense Finance Corporation can foreclose the
mortgage if the manufacturer defaults in payment, but if the default is caused by
cancellation of orders the manufacturer can prevent the foreclosure of the mortgage
(1) by paying a sum equal to the fair value of the land, plant and equipment as
determined by the Defense Finance Corporation, with the approval of the President of
the United States, or (2) by conveying the same to the Defense Finance Corporation.
In either event the loan would be considered discharged and the mortgage satisfied.

A footnote to this section provides that if only additions to existing buildings

or the purchase of machinery have been financed, then the Defense Finance Corpora-

tion could demolish the additions or repossess the machinery, but it could not foreclose the mortgage, unless the default did not come about through cancellation of

orders.

Part Two of the agreement provides the procedure for obtaining advances on ac-

count of the loan and expending the funds. It provides that from time to time after
the execution of the agreement the engine manufacturer will file requisitions with
of

the Defense Finance Corporation requesting advances on account of the loan, each
which will be accompanied by a .signed statement of purposes showing the use to

which such advances will be put. If the requisition is satisfactory in form and
substance, sufficient funds for the carrying out of the project for a reasonable
period will be advanced.

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The engine manufacturer will deposit the money so received in a separate account
a bank which is a member of the Federal Reserve system and the Federal Deposit
in Insurance Corporation and which is satisfactory to the Defense Finance Corporation.
The manufacturer agrees to expend such moneys only for the purposes specified in a
requisition and approved by the Defense Finance Corporation, the purpose being to

safeguard adequately the use of funds loaned without the delay incident to preaudits.

Part Three of the agreement relates to working capital. It provides that while
the engines are being manufactured the Defense Finance Corporation will stand ready
to provide working capital by purchasing from the engine manufacturer at par negotiable general obligation unsecured notes payable in 6 months and bearing interest
at the rate of 4 per centum per annum payable semi-annually. The maximum amount of
such notes will ce a specified percentage of the estimated cost of the labor and
materials employed by the manufacturer in producing the engines.
The agreement provides that if the engine manufacturer receives any other funds
the Government for working capital, such as, for example, advances by the War
and Navy Departments, the amount of working capital notes agreed to be purchased by
the Defense Finance Corporation shall be reduced or retired accordingly.
from

Part Four of the agreement contains special conditions. The manufacturer
agrees that all contracts for the manufacture of engines in the new plant will contain provisions promising compliance with the Walsh-Healey Act in producing engines,
irrespective whether such engines are produced for the United States or for foreign
governments &limiting profits to that allowable under the Vinson-Trannell Act, even
though the engines are sold to a foreign government.
This Part of the agreement also contains provisions requiring the manufacturer
to furnish certain information, providing that the Defense Finance Corporation
shall not be obligated to pay expenses incurred by the manufacturer in performing
its duties under the agreement, prohibiting the admission of any members of Congress
in the benefits of the agreement, giving the Defense Finance Corporation the right
to cancel the agreement if the manufacturer delays unreasonably in proceeding with
the expansion of his plant, requiring the manufacturer to carry insurance upon the
plant, listing the conditions precedent to the obligations of the Defense Finance
Corporation to make any loan or purchase working capital notes, containing the
representations and warranties of the engine manufacturer and providing how the
agreement shall be construed.

One of the conditions precedent to the obligations of the Defense Finance
Corporation under the agreement is that the manufacturer agree to secure from
foreign governments agreements saving the Defense Finance Corporation harmless from
loss of all or any part of funds advanced under the agreement, due to the cancellation by any foreign government of any contracts with the manufacturer. In this way
the same draft agreement can be used whether manufacturers are building engines for
the War and Navy Departments or for the British government but the Defense Finance
Corporation would be protected against loss, even though it agrees to forgive the
indebtedness of the ongine manufacturer to it to the extent of any such cancellation.

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Draft of June 24 1940
AGREEMENT dated as of June 30, 1940,
1

between the DEFENSE FINANCE CORPORATION,

(herein called the "Lender") a corporation created by the Reconstruction

2
3
4

Finance Corporation and the

(herein called the "Borrower"), a corporation organized under the laws of the

5
6

State of

.

7
8

PART ONE.
9

General Provisions

10

11

1. Preliminary. With a view to increasing its capacity for

12

the production of aircraft engines and facilitating the delivery

13

thereof at an accelerated rate of production, the Borrower con-

14

templates (a) the acquisition of title in fee to a tract of

15

land, of approximately

16

bounded by

19

(b) the construction upon said tract of a manufacturing

plant, consisting substantially of
,

18

,

17

acres, included within that area

and (c) the purchase of standard and

20

special machinery, including but not limited to jigs, tools, dies,

21

fixtures, and patterns, for the production of said engines, but exclud-

22

ing machinery not usable for the production of said engines of types

23

and models approved for purchase by the United States of America or

24

any department, agency or instrumentality thereof (herein called the

25

"Government"). The acquisition of said land, the construction of said

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26

manufacturing plant, and the purchase of said machinery are herein

27

collectively called the Project. In order to carry out the Project

28

the Borrower has made application to the Lender to aid in financing

29

the Project as a part of the national defense program. Said applica-

30

tion has been approved by the Lender.

31

32

2. The Loan and the Mortgage. To aid the Borrower in carrying out the Project the Lender agrees to lend to the Borrower, and

33

the Borrower agrees to borrow from the Lender, an amount equal to

34

the cost of the Project as approved by the Lender but in no event

35

to exceed the sum of $

(herein called the "Loan"),

36

The Loan shall be secured by a mortgage which shall constitute a

37

direct first mortgage upon the Project and any property hereafter

38

acquired for reconstructing, replacing, or repairing the Project or

39

any part thereof. The mortgage shall be the sole security for the

40

Loan, it being expressly agreed and understood that the full faith

41

and credit of the Borrower shall not be deemed pledged to the pay-

42

ment of the Loan. The mortgage shall be substantially in the form

43

of Exhibit A hereto annexed, with such changes as the Lender shall

44

45

Exhibit A with such changes being
approve (/herein called the "Mortgage"). Except as expressly pro-

vided to the contrary, all of the covenants and agreements of the

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Borrower, as set forth in the Mortgage, shall be considered a part

46

47

of this Agreement and shall constitute covenants and agreements by

48

the Borrower with the Lender.

3. Anortization of Capital Investment. The Borrower will in-

49

clude in the sales price of any aircraft engines produced in the

50

Project for the Government and foreign governments (such engines

51

boing herein called the "Engines") an amount which, with the Project

52

operating at full capacity for eight years, will yield a sum within

53

said period equal to the Loan. It is hereby agreed that the amount

54

to be so included in the sales price of each of the Engines is

55

$

56

, said sun being heroin called the "Amortization Amount".

57

It is understood by the parties hereto that the provisions of this

58

paragraph 3 bear no relation to, and shall not affect or be affected

59

by, any determination of fair value pursuant to paragraph 5 hereof or

60

the ascertainment of excess profit under this or any other agreement.

61

4. Payment of Loan. The Borrower hereby covenants and agrees

62

to pay or cause to be paid to the Lender monthly on the first day of

63

each month, beginning with the month next succeeding the month after

64

the first of the Engines is delivered by the Borrower to the Govern-

65

nent or to foreign governments, the Amortization Amount multiplied by

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240
66

the number of Engines 80 delivered during the preceding month, and

67

shall also pay interest on the first day of January of each year on

68

all advances on account of the Loan made during the preceding year

69

and then outstanding and unpaid, at the rate of four per centum per

69a

annum from the date of such advances, until either (a) the amounts

70

80 paid on account of the Loan shall equal the sum of (1) the ag-

71

gregate principal amount thereof as provided in paragraph 2 hereof,

72

and (2) the interest on the Loan as provided in this paragraph 4

73

plus interest at the same rate on any unpaid installments of in-

74

terest, or (b) provision for the payment or discharge of any un-

75

paid portion of the Loan shall have been made as provided in paragraph

76

5 hereof.

77

5. Remedies of Lender. (1) In the event that the Borrower

78

fails to fulfill its covenant and agreement contained in paragraph

79

4 hereof to pay or cause to be paid to the Lender any amount re-

80

quired to be paid by said paragraph for any reason which constitutes

81

an "event of default" as provided in the Mortgage, the Lender shall

82

be entitled to foreclose the same as therein provided.

83

(2) In the event that the Borrower is, at any time prior to

(a)

the payment of the Loan, together with interest thereon, without

(b)

any outstanding or unfilled orders to manufacture or assemble Engites

(c)

in the Project, which condition shall continue for a period of six

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241

84

months, the Lender shall have the right to foreclose the Mortgage .

85

unless the Borrower at its option shall:

86

(a) pay to the Lender the unpaid portion of the

87

Loan, together with interest thereon, and interest on

88

unpaid installments of interest;

89

(b) pay to the Lender a sum equal to the fair value

90

of the Project as determined by the Lender, with the ap-

91

proval of the President of the United States, or

92

93

94

95

96

97

(c) convey to the Lender, by full covenant and

warranty dood, title to the Project in full and complete
satisfaction of the Loan and the Mortgage.
PART TWO

Carrying Out the Project.
6. Time of Essence. When this Agreement hns been executed,

98

the Borrower (unloss it has already done so) shall promptly take

99

all proceedings necessary to acquire the lands, construct the build-

100

ings, purchase the machinery, and otherwise start the Project, and

101

shall continue the Project to completion with all practicable dis-

- If the Project consists only of additions to existing buildings and/or

the purchase of machinery, in lieu of the words underlined insert "to

demolish the additions and/or repossess the machinery."

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102 patch in an efficient and economical manner. The Borrower hereby
103 covenants and agrees that time is of the essence of this Agreement

104 and represents that it is ready, willing and able to perform its
105 duties and obligations hereunder expeditiously.
106

107

7. Requisitions. From time to time after the exocution of
this Agreement, the Borrower shall file a requisition with the Lender

108 requesting the Londer to make an advance on account of the Loan.
109 Each requisition shall be accompanied by such documents as may be

110 requested by the Lendor (a requisition together with such documents

111 being heroin collectively called a "Requisition"). If a Requisition
112 requesting the Lender to make such payment is satisfactory in form
113 and substance to the Lender, the Lender within a reasonable time after
114 the receipt of such Requisition, will make an advance in such amount

115 as will provide, in the judgment of the Lender, sufficient funds for
116 the carrying out of the Project for a reasonable period. Every re117 quest for an advance on account of the Loan must be accompanied by

118 a signed statement of purposes in which the Borrower must certify in

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127

reasonable detail the purposes for which the advance requested will

128

be used, and by other documents supporting the request. A schedule

129

of such other documents to be submitted by the Borrower to the Lender

130

at the time that the first such advance on account of the Loan is

131

requested is contained in Exhibit B annexed hereto. A schedule of

132

such other documents to be submitted by the Borrower to the Lender at

133

the tine that the second and subsequent advances on account of the

134

Loan are requested is contained in Exhibit 5 annexed hereto. All

135

advances on account of the Loan shall be made at a Federal Reserve

136

Bank to be designated by the Lender or at such other place or places

137

as the Lender may designate, against delivery by the Borrower of such

138

additional documents as may be requested by the Lender. The Lender

139

shall be under no obligation to make any advance on account of the

140

Loan beyond the amount which in the judgment of the Lender is needed

141

by the Borrower to carry out the Project.

142

8. Project Accounte. The Borrower shall deposit all moneys

143

received from the Lender pursuant to paragraph ? hereof promptly upon

144

the receipt thereof in a separate account or accounts in a bank or

145

banks which are members of the Federal Reserve System and of the

146

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and which shall be satisfactory

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at all times to the Lender. Each of such accounts is herein called a

148

"Project Account". The Borrower shall expend the moneys in a Pro-

149

ject Account only for such purposes as shall have been previously

150

specified in a Requisition filed with the Lender and as shall have

151

been approved by the Lender. Payments for carrying out the Project

152

shall be made only from a Project Account. Any moneys remaining un-

153

expended in a Project Account after the completion of the Project

154

which are not required to meet obligations incurred by the Borrower

155

in carrying out the Project shall be applied to the payment of the

156

Loan.

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PART THREE

Working Capital.

159

9. Working Capital Notes. During the period in which the

160

Project is being carried out and the Engines are being manufactured,

161

and subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, the Lender

162

will, in addition to the Loan, aid the Borrower in financing the

163

manufacture, assembly, and testing of the Engines for delivery to

164

the Government and to foreign governments by providing working capital,

165

and for that purpose the Lender will purchase at par, and the Borrower

166

will sell at par, negotiable, general obligation, unsecured notes

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167

(herein called "Working Capital Notes"), in a principal amount not

168

exceeding in the aggregate

169

the labor and materials to be employed by the Borrower in the manu-

170

facture, assembly and testing of the Engines. The determination by

171

the Lender of the estimated cost of such labor and materials shall

172

be conclusive. The Working Capital Notes shall be payable six months

173

from the date thereof, shall bear interest at the rate of 4 per centum

174

per annum, payable semi-annually, and shall be substantially in such

175

form as set forth in Exhibit D annexed hereto.

176

percent of the estimated cost of

10. Requisition for Purchase of Notes. At any time after the

177

execution of this Agreement the Borrower may file a Requisition with

178

the Lender requesting the Lender to purchase Working Capital Notes.

179

If such Requisition is satisfactory in form and substance to the

180

Lender, the Lender within a reasonable time after the receipt of such

181

Requisition, will purchase Working Capital Notes in such amount as

182

will provide, in the judgment of the Lender, sufficient funds to

183

provide the working capital needed in the manufacture, assembly, and

183a

testing of the Engines for a reasonable period, but not to exceed the

184

percentage of the estimated cost of the labor and materials to be

185

employed in the manufacture, assembly, and testing of the Enginee

186

stated in paragraph 9 hereof.

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187

The payment for the Working Capital Notes will be cade at a Federal

188

Reserve Bank to be designated by the Lender, or at such other place

189

or places as the Lender may designate, against delivery by the Bor-

190

rower of the Working Capital Notes, together with such documents as

191

may be requested by the Lender.

192

11. Other Working Capital from the Government. If the Borrower

193

shall receive any funds from the Government, other than from the sale

194

to the Lender of Working Capital Notes, to aid the Borrower in financ-

195

ing the manufacture, assembly, and testing of the Engines for delivery

196

to the Government or to Foreign governments by providing working capital,

197

to the extent that such funds are 80 received, the aggregate principal

198

amount of the Working Capital Notes agreed to be purchased by the Lender

199

in paragraph 9 hereof shall be reduced, or, if already purchased by

200

the Lender in the maximum amount, to the extent that such funds are

201

so received, the Borrower will apply the same to the redemption of

202

Working Capital Notes.

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PART FOUR
203

204

205

Special Conditions.

12. Wage and Hour Provisions. The Borrower hereby coven-

206

ants and agrees that all contracts for the manufacture of the

207

Engines will contain provisions to the effect that the Borrower

208

will comply with the Act of June 3, 1936, entitled "An Act to pro-

209

vide conditions for the purchase of supplies and the making of con-

210

tracts by the United States, and for other purposes," (49 United

211

States Statutes at Large 2036) as amended, and all orders, rules

212

and regulations issued pursuant thereto, irrospective whether the

213

Engines are manufactured for or sold to the Government or are manu-

214

factured for or sold to foreign governments.

215

13. Profit Limitation. The Borrower hereby covenants and agrees

216

that all contracts for the manufacture of Engines for foreign govern-

217

ments will contain provisions to the effect that the Borrower will

218

pay to such foreign governments all profit in OXCOSS of the percentage

219

of the total contract prices for the Engines which the Borrower would

220

have been required to pay into the Treasury of the United States as

221

OXCESS profit undor the Act of May 27, 1934 (48 United States Statutos

222

at Large 505). as amonded, if such contracts had been made by the

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223

Secretary of the Navy for the construction and/or manufacture of

224

any complete aircraft, or any portion thereof, and the method of

225

ascertaining the amount of such excess profit to be paid to

226

foreign governments shall be determined in the some way as it would

227

have beon determined if the contracts had been entered into with

228

the Socretary of the Navy; it boing the intontion of this paragraph

229

13 to limit the profit of the Borrowor on contracts for tho mami-

230

facture of Enginos for foreign governments to tho percentage allowed

231

by $3 of said Act, as amondod.

232

14. Information. During tho carrying out of tho Project, the

233

Borrowor will furnish to the Londor all such information and data as

234

tho Londor may roquest as to the carrying out, cost, progress, and

235

disposition thoroof. Tho Borrower shall report, or cause to be reported,

236

to tho Unitod Statos Department of Labor monthly, within fivo days after

237

tho close of oach calondar month upon forms to bo proscribod, and in

238

accordance with instructions to be furnishod, by the United Statos

239

Department of Labor, covering tho number of persons on payrolls directly

240

connocted with the Project, the aggrogato amount of such payrolls and

241

tho man-hours worked, and an itomizod statemont of tho total exponditures

242

for materials. The Borrower shall also furnish, or cause to be furnishod,

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288

at the onrliest date practicable, to the Unitod Statos Department of

289

Labor all the names, and addresses of all contractors and subcontractors

290

engaged in carrying out the Project.

291

15. Expensos. The Lender shall be under no obligation to pay any

292

costs, charges or expenses incident to compliance with any of the dutios

293

or obligations of the Borrowor heroundor including, without limiting

294

the generality of the foregoing, any logal, ongineering or accounting

295

costs, charges or expenses incurred by the Borrower.

296

16. Interest of Merbers of Congress. No nomber of or delogate to

297

the Congress of the United States of Anorica shall be admitted to any

298

share or part of this Agreement, or to any benefits arising thorofron.

299

17. Undue Delay by the Borrower. The Londor shall have the right

300

to cancel this Agreement and annul any obligation to nako the Loan or

301

purchase Working Capital Notes if the Borrowor shell delay for an un-

302

reasonable time in carrying out any of the dutios or obligations to bo

303

performed by the Borrower herounder, or unless the Borrower shall

304

within a reasonable tine (a) file Requisitions with the Londor in RChereof,

305

cordance with the provisions and (b) connence the Project or CAUSO

306

it to be connonced and carriod n to completion with due expedition.

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307

18. Insurance. The Borrower hereby covenants and agrees to carry

308

insurance of such types and in such amounts upon the Project or any

309

part thereof as the Lender may request.

310

19. Conditions Precedent to the Lender's Obligations. The Lender

311

shall be under no obligation to make the Loan or purchase Working

312

Capital Notes:

313

(a) If in the judgment of the Lender the financial condition

314

of the Borrower shall have changed unfavorably in a

315

material degree from the condition as theretofore

316

represented to the Lender;

317

(b) If the Lender shall not be satisfied that the Borrower

318

will be able to carry out completely the Project for the

319

sun of $

320

to obtain in a manner satisfactory to the Lender, any ad-

321

ditional funds which the Lender shall estimate to be

322

necessary to carry out completely the Project:

or that the Borrower will be able

,

323

(c) If the Lender shall not be satisfied that the Borrower

324

has complied with all the provisions contained in this

325

Agreement;

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326

(d) If the Lender shall not be satisfied as to all legal

327

matters and proceedings affecting the Project and the

328

repayment of any funds advanced hereunder;

329

(e) If any representation made by the Borrower in any

330

document submitted to the Lender shall be found by the

331

Lender to be incorrect or incomplete in any material

332

respect;

333

(f) If the Borrower shall not obtain binding and legal agree-

334

ments from the foreign governments with which it has

335

contracts for the manufacture of Engines in the Project,

336

said agreements to be in form and substance satisfactory

337

to the Lender. under which such foreign governments

338

agree to indennify and save the Lender harnless from

339

loss of all or any part of the Loan, or arising from the

340

making thereof or from the purchase of the Working Capital

341

Notes, due to the cancellation by such foreign governments

342

of any of such contracts for any reason other than the

343

material breach thereof by the Borrower.

344

345

20. Representations and Warranties. The Borrower represents
and warrants as follows:

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346

(a) No litigation or other proceedings are pending or

347

threatened which night adversely affect the Loan,

348

the Mortgage, the Working Capital Notes, the carry-

349

ing out of the Project, or the financial condition of

350

the Borrower;

351

(b) The Borrower has not paid, nor does it intend to pay,

352

any bonus, fee or commission in order to secure the

353

Loan or to sell the Working Capital Notes hereunder;

354

(c) Every statement contained in this Agreement and in

355

any other documents submitted to the Lender or to the

356

Government are correct and complete, and no relevant

357

fact materially affecting the Loan, the Mortgage,

358

the Working Capital Notes, the Project, or any of the

359

duties or obligations of the Borrower under this Agree-

360

ment, has been omitted therefrom.

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361

21. Construction of Agreement. This Agreement shall be binding

362

upon the parties hereto when copies thereof, duly executed by the

363

Borrower and the Lender, shall have been received by the parties

364

hereto. This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in ac-

365

cordance with the laws of the District of Columbia.

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366

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, The Lender and the Borrower have respectively

367

caused this Agreement to be duly executed as of the day and year first

368

above written, but actually on

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DEFENSE FINANCE CORPORATION

369

By

370

CORPORATION
371

372

373

ATTEST:

By

WASHINGTON D.C.

25 JUNE 1940

FOR THE HONORABLE SECRETARY OF TREASURY
FROM MR KENNEDY

BEARN LEFT HALIFAX JUNE 16TH FOR FRANCE AND WAS DIVERTED
TO NORTH AFRICAN PORT.

LORD BEAVERBROOK TELLING MORRIS WILSON AS HIS DIRECT CONTACT
TO GET ROLLS ROYCE PLANS FROM YOU AND HE SAID YOU COULD KICK OUT

THE ROLLS ROYCE REPRESENTATIVE FOR ALL OF HIM.

TOR 1645 25 JUNE

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June 25, 1940
9 a. m.
Present:
Mr. Knudsen
Mr. Young

Mrs. Klotz

Mr. Knudsen: I can get Packard to take the job.

I suppose we ought to get hold of Purvis to find out if

it is satisfactory.
HM,Jr: This is Carl Ward's first report. I have

a copy here for you, but I want to read a paragraph to
you.

"The management showed us an exchange of cables

which were highly confidential, wherein the
United States divisions of the Ford Motor Com-

pany had agreed to help the Allies. This tele-

gram referred to Mr. Henry Ford as well as Mr.
Edsel Ford, and indicated that the decision
had only just been reached that day. The management indicated that in their opinion Germany
was manufacturing 1600 airplanes per month,
France and England combined, 1100, and the

United States 300, and that further immediate
and urgent help was necessary but that, unfortunately, it was needed within the next two months,
which seemed improbable. It was said that while
the Ford Company had the sole rights for manufacturing Hispano-Suiza motors, they had given
them free of charge to the United States Government in hopes that help might be forthcoming
from the Ford divisions in America. The management further added that their estimate of
manufacturing Rolls Royce engines was 4100

hours, or many times the cost of the manufacturing of the Hispano-Suiza design. It 18 not
known the basis on which these studies were
undertaken or made."

Did Ford turn down the Rolls Royoe because it was
This does not check with anything

too difficult to make?

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that you
see me.

heard.

This was after Edsel Ford was in to

Mr. Knudsen: Edsel said that his father said
that if he sold engines to the British Government that
that would rush the United States into the war. Ford
is 77 years old and he is finished as far as business

19 concerned. Henry Ford asked me to read Tennyson,
so you see he is just too old. Edsel said his father
was all right until the Beaverbrook announcement came
out.

HM,Jr: We got a cable that there are two HispanoSuiza engines on their way. When Edsel Ford sat here
he said, "If you could get the French Government to license
the Hispano-Suiza, I would be tickled to death. There 1s
some mix-up between the Rolls-Royce and the Hispano-Suiza
and it would be much better if you could get the HispanoSuiza and then license it to us. We would be very pleased.

It will be interesting to find out, when these en-

gines come, whether they will get them.
When you read this report you will wonder how the
French lasted this long.
(At this point, Mr. Knudsen gave HM, Jr a copy of

a report that he had written up on his negotiations with
the Ford people in regard to the Rolls-Royce engine and
which HM,Jr read. Copy is attached. )

HM,Jr: Is this a press release or a story just
for me or is it for the President?
Mr. Knudsen: Well, it is for whoever wants it.
I thought we would show this to the President.

HM,Jr: I would sew up the Packard Company and

then tell the President about it.

Mr. Knudsen: Ford will make a statement that he
is willing to make the engines for the United States.

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IM,Jr: Well, all I can do now 18 to call Purvis

and ask
Packard.

him whether he 18 willing to have this go to

Mr. Knudsen: Ford kept pressing me to give them
an
order
for 10,000 Rolls-Royce for the United States
Government.

(At this point, HM,Jr spoke to Mr. Purvis and
a record of their conversation follows this page.)

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June 25, 1940
9:16 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Purvis. Go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Arthur
Purvis:

Oh, good morning, Henry.

H.M.Jr:

How are you?

P:

Very well, thank you, and you?

H.M.Jr:

Mr. Knudsen is sitting here with me and

he is listening to this conversation.
He's just returned from Detroit where after
several hours with Ford, father and son,
the father turned the order down.

P:

H.M.Jr:

P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

He turned the order down.

Right. Now immediately after that,

Mr. Knudsen and I talked and Mr. Knudsen -we agreed that he should talk to Packard,
and Packard are ready to go ahead.

Yes. Does Mr. Knudsen feel that they are
equipped to do it?

Well, he's sitting right here. (Pause)
Yes. If he really feels that way, of course,
we would be very strongly guided by their
judgment though at the time I think we all

felt that Ford had the jump insofar as

possible deliveries were concerned on other
people.

H.M.Jr:
P:

Granted. We all agree to that, but he won't
do it.
NO. So we've just got to go to the other

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Yes, you've got to go to Packard and while

Packard isn't as big, it most likely can
do as good a job -- it's the only alternative

we have because Chrysler doesn't want to

do it either.

P:

H.M.Jr:

Oh, Chrysler doesn't want it.

Oh, no. Wait a minute, please. (Talks
aside). Well, Mr. Knudsen sitting here says
that Chrysler now has a job to make tanks.

P:

I beg your pardon?

H.M.Jr:

He has a job to make tanks.

P:

Oh, I see.

H.M.Jr:

So he's -- they can't handle both.

P:

No, I see.

H.M.Jr:

But what we thought was this -- we wanted

a sort of a -- well, let me ask -- (talks

aside) -- Mr. Knudsen recommends Packard under

the circumstances and 80 we'd like to know
whether he can go ahead and try to complete
the negotiation with Packard.

P:

Yes. of course, the basis of it will be

H.M.Jr:

No.

P:

different from what we cabled over for Ford,
won't it?
I mean, Ford was prepared to do what he was

going to do on the basis of only having the
tools to do as distinct from the buildings
and also on the basis of not making profits

that's the way it came out originally. Now

I wonder whether we ought to have just a very
preliminary idea as to whether the capital
expenditures in the case of Packard are going
to be radically different from what they
would have been in the case of Ford.
H.M.Jr:

Well, just wait a minute, please. (Talks aside).

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-3 Mr. Knudsen says it'11 be approximately
the same because Packard has the building

and
tools.it'11 be just the question of the
Yes.

P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

And under this new law which has passed,

they'd be limited to 8% profit anyway.

I see. Yes.
I mean, you'd come under the same contract
as the United States Government.

Well, if the capital expenditure is roughly

the same and the recommendation -- after all
it's Mr. Knudsen who should know as well as

anybody -- is that we go to Packard, I

anticipate no difficulty in switching it.
I'd rather like, I think, to in view of the

very definite nature of a cable I sent them
after we -- you thought you'd cleared that
-- you remember, the one occasion when it
came before and it looked as if it was cleared
at one time

H.M.Jr:

We had cleared it and Edsel had given his

P:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Edsel definitely gave his word to Mr. Knudsen.

P:

Well, I guess Edsel isn't old enough yet to

H.M.Jr:

Well, I don't know how -- I guess he'11

P:

It looks like it, doesn't it?

H.M.Jr:

So Edsel definitely went back to Detroit

word.

have a view of his own. I guess when he
grows up and gets about twenty-one his father
will back him more. (Laughs)

have to wait until he hasn't got a father.

and phoned Mr. Knudsen and made a firm
commitment.

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P:

Amazing.

H.M.Jr:

He made a firm commitment. There's no

P:

if, and or but.

No. I suppose the trouble was -- of course,
our information since you know, I don't
know whether this would interest you, but

it might -- I have a little note from our
people after that statement was issued by
the father saying this: "In connection

with the statement given to the Wall Street
Journal by Cameron of the Ford Motor Company,
80 and 80 has learned that there is more to
Cameron's attitude than meets the eye. He
is an extremely close friend of Father
Coughlin and at one time employed Fritz Kuhn
the New York Bund leader who is now in jail."

H.M.Jr:

Well, you think that's news?

P:

Well, it was news to me. (Laughs)

H.M.Jr:

Well, it isn't to me.

P:

Sorry.

H.M.Jr:
P:

No, that's all right.
All right, now, look. I don't think there's
going to be any difficulty about it at all.
I think I'd like to put it across, but I
think we'll be able to give Mr. Knudsen the
green light in a very few hours.

H.M.Jr:

Well, now, fine. If you'd phone me or -and here's the other thing. Mr. Knudsen
would like very much to see you and 80

would I in regard to certain cancellations.

Would it be convenient for you to be at my
office tomorrow morning?

P:

Certainly. I wanted to see you, as a matter
of fact, about one or two things and was going
to telephone you this morning.

H.M.Jr:

Well, let me ask Mr. Knudsen what time will be

convenient for him. (Talks aside).

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-5He likes 9:00 o'clock.
P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

Nine o'clock.
Yes.

Now then, about cancellations, what, may
I ask just in general? Is he talking about
French cancellations?
Yes.

Because we are issuing to the trade today -immediately the Armistice was signed, we
met and yesterday put into force the legal
document that we made on the 16th whereby

all that is taken over by the British and
any cancellations would be done by the
British.
H.M.Jr:

Well, we'd like to know from American

Operator:

Operator.

H.M.Jr:

We're cut off.

Operator:

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll get him right back.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

P:

Hello, we were cut off. You were just saying

H.M.Jr:

industries -- Hello. Hello.

(Pause)

you would like to know.
We would like to know very much what part

of the contracts you're going to carry on
and what you're going to cancel.

P:

H.M.Jr:

Yes. I think in general it's going to be
mostly carry on, you see?

Well, if you could give us specific -because naturally American business men are
worried and if you're not going to take
something, maybe we want to take up the
slack.

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-6P:

Well, actually every one of those companies

will receive today a letter saying that we
are taking them over, and the only difficulty
will be if you would just warn Mr. Knudsen
is this: we're dealing with contracts

covering -- well, I think if you add in the

machine tools, tens of thousands of items.
Now the actual physical job of checking what
we can do is naturally going to take a few
days at best.
H.M.Jr:
P:

Right.

But they're going full speed ahead and I
would only be able to talk in general
tomorrow morning.

H.M.Jr:

P:

Just a minute. (Talks aside).
Mr. Knudsen is particularly interested in
whether it applies to trucks.

Yes. All right. Now, then, on trucks

I'll come down with the -- endeavor to come
down with the answer.

H.M.Jr:
P:

H.M.Jr:

He'd like particularly trucks.

All right.
(Anything else? -- aside) No, just that

and then we'll meet at nine tomorrow morning.

P:

Good.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

P:

Thank you.

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Mr. Knudsen: I will call Ford and tell him that

the deal is off.
away.

HM,Jr: I would get the story to Steve Early right
Mr. Knudsen: I will see him now.

HM,Jr: If there is going to be an announcement,
it would be much better 1f it came from the Government

first. Then we could give our interpretation first rather

than try to explain later.
Mr. Knudsen: I asked him if he sold trucks to the

French.

We checked that. It was the Ford
Company in Canada.
I will tell Nelson what happened.
I tried to get him here this morning, but could not.
HM,Jr: No.

000-000

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June 24, 1940

of

On May 31st officials of the Ford Motor Company, Messrs. Edsel

Ford and Wibel, called at the Treasury to talk over their possible
participation in an engine program. The result of this conference
was that Mr. Ford was persuaded to give up any idea of looking into
the Hispano Suisa Engine and agreed to study the Rolls Royce Engine
with which the Ford Company was familiar through contact over several

months with Maurice Olley, Rolls Royce representative in Detroit.

On June 11th, Messre Edsel Ford, C. E. Sorenson and Wibel had a
conference in Washington with Messrs. Knudsen and Mead and the

substance of the conversation was as outined on the attached sheet,
of which Mr. Ford was given a copy. Mr. Ford was made fully familiar
with the fact that the Allied Engines would have to be handled through
contract with the Allied Purchasing Commission while the American
Engines would be covered by contract with the United States War
Department. He asked permission to talk this phase of the understanding over with Mr. Henry Ford and the next day called Mr. Knudsen
on the telephone and said that the arrangement was satisfactory.
In the meantime the Allied Purchasing Commission arranged for
the British Government to give a commitment for 6,000 Engines, while
the War Department expressed willingness to place 3,000 Engines, which
made the two contracts ready for execution and steps were taken to that
effect. Drawings of the Merlin XX Rolls Royce motor were delivered
to the Ford Motor Company on June 19th.

Mr. Henry Ford, however, suddenly on June 20th, issued a state-

ment declaring that he would enter into no contract with the Allied
Purchasing Commission.

Therefore Mr. Knudsen, on June 24th, contacted the Ford people
in Detroit and had a conference with Messrs. Henry and Edsel Ford, at
which time Mr. Henry Ford confirmed his public statement that he would
make any number of Rolls-Royce Enginee for the United States Government
but that he would not undertake any contract with the Allied Purchasing
Commission.

Under the circumstances, it is recommended that negotiations with
the Ford Motor Company be stopped, the drawings removed, and another
manufacturer given the job of making Rolls Royse Merlin XX Engines.

266

The proposal which we are talking over with the
Ford Motor Company is to this effect:

An initial order for 10,000 Merlin Engines 6,000 to the Allies
4,000 to the United States,
with an option of 10,000 more, type and quantity
to be agreed upon later.
Provisional price $16,000.00 each subject to revision after six months of production in accordance
with cost figures then available.
Ford Motor Company requires no financial assistance
but wants the tools paid for in advance, to be absorbed

in the billing over the quantity. No buildings will be
required except for test and production engineering.

Deliveries are tentatively set at 40 per day, 2
shifts after 12 to 14 months production to start after

8 months.

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OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF

267

WASHINGTON D.C.

June 25, 1940.

MEMORANDUM FOR MR. MORGENTHAU:

Early in the afternoon of June 18 General Marshall
was informed by the Secretary of War that he, the Secretary,
had received word from the White House that the matter of
making available to the British Government about ten of our
oldest B-17's was under consideration.
A memorandum for the signature of the Secretary of
War recommending against this action was prepared by the

Chief of Staff and turned over at about 2:30 p.m. June 18
to Mr. Woodring.

The following morning the Secretary of War told
General Marshall he wished the memorandum prepared for sub-

mission to him and signed by the Chief of Staff. This was

done, though the date of the original memorandum remained
unchanged - June 18. This memorandum was OK'd by the Secre-

tary of War and delivered by me personally to General Watson
at the White House on the morning of June 19. Enroute to the
White House I left a copy with the Secretary of the Treasury.
On the morning of June 20 when I visited the White
House I was informed by General Watson that pursuant to the
unfavorable recommendation of the War Department the proposed

transaction would be dropped. I returned to the War Department
at about 11:00 a.m. June 20 and personally conveyed this information to the Secretary of War in the presence of Mr. Johnson,
the Assistant Secretary of War, who at that time was in conference with Mr. Woodring. I also placed an informal memorandum
containing the same information on General Marshall's desk.

Thankwork
W.B.SMITH,

Major, G.S.C.,

Assistant Secretary, General Staff.

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THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON

June 25, 1940

Personal and

Strictly Confidential
My dear Henry:

In accordance with our telephone conversation this
morning, I am enclosing herewith a copy of a memorandum
handed to me on June 18 by the British Ambassador, as well

as a copy of a letter which I sent to the Ambassador under
date of June 20.

I have looked into the background of these questions

and have carefully investigated the source of the facts
upon which my letter to the Ambassador was based.

I am glad to be able to say that the result of this
investigation agreeably demonstrates once more the constant
and consistent endeavor of this Department to cooperate

with the Treasury Department and thus reciprocate your own

never-failing cooperation with this Department.
My letter to the Ambassador was based upon a memorandum

sent to you under date of June 18 by Mr. Cochran, and a copy
The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury.

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of which memorandum Mr. Cochran was good enough to forward

to this Department for its information 80 that my letter to
the Ambassador could be prepared in strict accordance with

the position already taken by the Treasury Department. I
refer to the next to the last paragraph of the memorandum
of Mr. Cochran under reference, which states: "Dr. Feis,
of the State Department, telephoned me this afternoon to
the effect that a communication had now been received by
the State Department containing the above quoted message.

In order that Dr. Feis might know the Treasury's position,
I am forwarding to him a copy of this memorandum."

You will further see that my letter to the Ambassador
uses exactly the statements contained in Mr. Cochran's
memorandum of his conversation with Mr. Pinsent.

I mentioned the matter to the President just before
he left for Hyde Park on June 20, and the President asked
me to say to Lord Lothian that, while this Government was

not in a position where it could make more precise written
commitments than those indicated by the Treasury Depart-

ment and reiterated by the Department of State, the Presi-

dent was willing to assure Lord Lothian that so long as
this Administration continued there would be no change in

its policy with regard to the freezing of French assets
during the occupation of France by Germany or during the

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existence of a French government subservient to and
dominated by Germany.
Believe me

Yours very sincerely

Metho

Enclosures:
Copy of memorandum of the

British Ambassador dated

June 18.

Copy of Department's reply

to Ambassador dated June 20.

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The following is the text of a message which reached
the British Ambassador yesterday (17th June) from London:Please inform United States Government that in view

of obscurity of position and uncertainty whether
French offer of armistice will be accepted we did
not today take steps to block French gold and balances before banks closed. We shall consider what

will be appropriate steps to take tomorrow. We
should be glad to know what steps would be contemplated by United States Government to prevent

gold held in United States of America by French
Government or Bank of France or gold in transit
being handed over to Germany and French balances

being used for benefit of Germany.
This message was conveyed yesterday evening to the

United States Treasury for Mr. Morgenthau's information
and consideration, and Lord Lothian would much appreciate

an early expression of the State Department's views on the
question raised in the second paragraph of the message.

He is aware that the "freezing" order of April 10th was
extended to cover French assets yesterday, but this action does not in itself deal with contingencies which
might arise if an agreement to hand over French assets
to Germany were forced on the French Government as part

of the price of an armistice.
June 18th, 1940

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C

O

P

Y

June 20, 1940

My dear Mr. Ambassador:

We have given thought to your memorandum of
June 18 regarding exchange.

With reference to the inquiry concerning contingencies which might arise if an agreement to hand
over French assets in the United States to Germany
were entered into by France, it may be pointed out
that an order subjecting such assets to license was

issued by the United States Government as recently as

June 17. In the event of an armistice or other agreement being entered into on the part of France, there
would no doubt be many questions of fact and policy
requiring careful consideration before any decision by
this Government to license the disposition of French
assets in the above-mentioned sense could be reached.
This Government cannot at the present time forecast

all the contingencies of the situation.

On the question of freezing German and Italian
most careful consideration of the possible advantages
and disadvantages, has not favored such action.
Sincerely yours,

assets in this country, the consensus of opinion, after

SUMNER WELLES

Acting Secretary.

His Excellency
The Right Honorable
The Marquess of Lothian, C.H.,
British Ambassador.

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June 25, 1940.
3:00 p.m.
RE FRENCH SHIPS IN AMERICAN TERRITORIAL WATERS

Present:

Harris
Foley

Gaston

Harris:

I was telling Ed Foley today that I don't

think you ought to worry much from what I
can find out about these French ships
that are heading for French ports. They
don't want to go out. Two went out to
Halifax and came right back.

Gaston:

I have just been entertaining Mr. Tamm of

H.M.Jr:

Entertaining him?

Gaston:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

That is good. All right, Professor Foley.

Foley:

As I told you this morning, Bob Jackson
and Francis Biddle were both out of town
until tomorrow, so we haven't taken up this
question with the Department of Justice. We
have here a proclamation for control of
vessels, French vessels, in territorial
waters of the United States which will be
signed by the President and then we have
the regulations pursuant to the proclamation
called anchorage regulations which will be
signed by you and approved by the President.

H.M.Jr:

May I interrupt you?

Foley:

Yes, sir.
What is the difference between the status of

H.M.Jr:

F. B. I.

France today and Denmark? What I am getting

at, if you do this for French vessels, why
wouldn't you do it for Danish vessels?

Foley:

Well, I assume that there are many more

French vessels in our ports --

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Harris:
H.M.Jr:

Harris:

Why don't you reverse your question? Why do

you do it solely for the French?
That is what I am getting at.

In other words, why don't we make the procla-

mation so it covers all vessels we want to
hold.

Gaston:

We don't want to hold the Danish vessels.

Harris:

We don't know at the moment.

Foley:

Well, I understood that the instructions

H.M.Jr:

I know, but God damn it, if I did everything

were to hold French vessels.

the President told me to do - I will put it
this way. If I did everything the President

told me to do, I wouldn't be here today.
That is a safe statement. Just because the

President tells me - if I did everything he
told me to do, I wouldn't be sitting here.
Let me put it this way to you.

Foley:

Well, that is a little stab at me.

H.M.Jr:

Foley:

No, I wasn't thinking about you, no.
I was just thinking instead of French
vessels why didn't you say -All belligerent vessels.

Gaston:

On what basis do we select France?

H.M.Jr:

Why so personal?

Harris:

Well, to be quite frank you asked it to be

Foley:

And he says, "Well, if I just did --"

H.M.Jr:

I wasn't thinking of you. Look me in the eye.
Therefore, you shouldn't do everything I told

Harris:

done for France.

you to do?
Foley:

Yes.

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H.M.Jr:

Well, look at me. No, you are wrong. You

have done me a grave injustice.

Foley:

Okay.

H.M.Jr:

No.

Foley:

Well, I think if you want to do it that way,

Mr. Secretary, we haven't got any problems
so far as the Departmen nt of Justice is concerned. This is what Frank Murphy said
last summer and this is in August. He said,
"My dear Mr. President:
"Reference is made to your informal request
for my opinion on whether the Secretary of

the Treasury under your direction may
issue instructions to all collectors of
customs substantially as follows:

"Immediately upon your being satisfied that
Germany is at armed conflict with another

nation, with or without formal declaration
of war, seize all German and Italian vessels
in American and territorial waters, remove
officers and crew therefrom and take all precautions against sabotage in engine rooms or

otherwise.

"It is my opinion that in the event of armed
conflict between the foreign nations, action
on your part in seizing in our ports vessels
of one or more of the belligerents and not
of the others would be in conflict with
International law and could under such law
be construed by the nations affected as an

act of war."

Now, I don't think that is the proper construction. He says to select French vessels
and not give equal treatment to German
vessels is taking sides in an armed conflict
and it is not a neutral act.
H.M.Jr:
Foley:

I was going to say I agree with him and that

makes me Supreme Court timber.

Okay. I didn't know you wanted to do it for
all vessels.

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-4Gaston:

He
The point is, how can we justify
the doesn't.
--

H.M.Jr:

I am groping.

Gaston:

How can we justify our selection of France?

H.M.Jr:

This is a conference. I am groping. I
want Basil Harris' opinion. I am trying to I mean, each day we do things a little bit
more and anything we do today - I listened
to
the speech last night. Did you listen to
that?

Foley:

I listened to part of it. Stassen's speech?

H.M.Jr:

Yes, and anything we do today, they take

this magnifying glass and pull it up about

a hundred fold and I think you people have

got to be just a little bit more careful.

Gaston:

On what basis can we distinguish, can you
think of any?

Foley:

Well, there are probably more French vessels

Gaston:

Harris:
Foley:

in our ports than any other vessels.

I don't believe that answers it. There

aren't.
There are less. In the whole United States
there are only about eight vessels.
Well, these are the vessels that both sides

will be after, both the British and the
Germans. They have been ordered home.

Gaston:

Now there is a possibility.

Foley:

And there will be cruisers and armed submarines and armed craft outside our harbors
waiting for these boats to come out.

Gaston:

Are we in theposition of a trustee? The

people are wrangling and we don't know who

is the rightful owner of these vessels.

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-5Foley:

And to protect these vessels, to protect
our own harbors, to protect our own neutrality,

it is necessary for us to take certain steps to

see that without our knowledge these vessels
don't start out and we impound them and we say
to the owners that they can't be moved without
a special license and that arises because the
French have sued for a separate peace and part
of the peace terms, Mr. Secretary, are that these
commercial vessels be ordered home or to the
nearest French port and the British and the
Germans will both be looking for these vessels
when they come out and there may be a naval
engagement right outside New York harbor.

H.M.Jr:

But look, supposing - let me take the Frank
Murphy side. Supposing we put this on all
things and having slapped the thing on, make
all foreign flag vessels get a special permit
before they sail, see.

Foley:

Not all foreign flag vessels, but all flag

H.M.Jr:
Foley:

H.M.Jr:
Gaston:

Foley:

H.M.Jr:

vessels of belligerents.
Well, France is no longer a belligerent.
France is no longer a belligerent.
No, I was thinking in terms of all of them.
Belligerents and invaded countries.
of all European countries.

I have got it. All countries in which what do you call - is within that zone. All

countries within that zone. What do they call it?

Gaston:

Combat zone.

H.M.Jr:

All countries within the combat zone. How
would that strike you, Basil?

Harris:

Well, that sounds off hand all right.

H.M. Jr:

See?

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What it means is that the preponderance are

Caston:

Then you impose the same difficulty when
you come to deciding as to whether to give

H.M.Jr:

British ships.

a vessel its permit or not. You have the
same difficulty of discrimination to refuse
to one and to give it to the other.
What I can't get through my head is, after

all there isn't very much difference between

what Denmark did and what France has done
except - I mean, Denmark was invaded. Now,

she has got a big fleet. They didn't make
it return but the fleet - commercial fleet,
I am talking about - escaped and I don't
know what flag they are flying, do you?

Geston:

The Danish flag and operated by the British.

H.M.Jr:

And there is no Danish Government in London,

Foley:

No.

Gaston:

I don't know. The British just grabbed them

is there?

and we didn't recognize it. I have a feel-

ing about these French vessels that the most
satisfactory solution and about the only
one in which we can preserve our neutrality

is just to pay no attention to them and let
them go and let the British grab them.

Harris:

I was talking in the last hour or two to
New York. If it is your fear they may go,

you haven't anything to fear about. The
fear is they won't go. I don't think they
have any intention of going now.
H.M.Jr:

Well, that is what we want. We don't want

Harris:

Well, I don't think they are going.
I think the British want them to go, don't

Gaston:

them to go.

they, so they can get them?

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-7Harris:

The British would like to make a deal and take

them over, but at the present moment the French

are going to stay right in the ports here.
H.M.Jr:

Well, there is this argument on between the

French Ambassador and Canada. He claims that

Canada seized this battle ship there. She
came into Halifax and tried to turn around
and the Canadians wouldn't let her go. Did

you know that?
Harris:

I had heard that rumor.

H.M.Jr:

Well, that is a fact.

Gaston:

I don't think we are being helpful to any side
by trying to hold these boats on the present

Harris:

state of facts.
Well, look at it further. Supposing they did
sail. Where are they going to sail to?

Harris:

well, they might sail to Bahama.
Well, they would be picked up on the way and
it is known in five minutes after they start
out and the British have got plenty of boats
that could pick them up.

Caston:

Well, they probably couldn't catch the

H.M.Jr:

Well, it is not very important. Let's say
that the Normandie does get over. I don't
think it is sufficiently important that we
should get ourselves involved in it and
criticised.
I don't think she is going. I don't think

H.M.Jr:

Gaston:

H.M.Jr:

Harris:

Normandie between here and Brest. Supposing
she makes a dash for Brest?

any of them are going.

But I don't think at this time with everybody
so on edge that it is sufficiently important.
You see, what you are talking about there is
a - I think there is a maximum of eight ships
in the whole United States. That is nothing.

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-8Foley:

Well, why don't we do this, Mr. Secretary,
since the President has mentioned only
France and we prepared this thing only for
France, why don't we get up another set of
documents to take in ships of all the
countries in Europe and Great Britain?

H.M.Jr:

Then get it for me. I will ask Mr. Hull
whether we can come over and have an argument
in his office about it.

Foley:
H.M.Jr:

Would you rather clear it with Gaston first?
Well, I will make it for tomorrow afternoon.

Foley:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

You will be here by 4:00?

Harris:

Yes, sir. How can you justify holding French

Gaston:

ships and not holding Danish?
You can't.

H.M.Jr:

You can't.

Gaston:

Except --

Foley:

Yes, you can, I think, on the ground,
Mr. Secretary, that we are afraid if these
vessels start out it may endanger our ports
and it may endanger our property because
there may be - one of them may be sunk,

Mr. Secretary, right in the narrows and
block up New York Harbor. There may be
naval engagement right off Sandy Hook.

Gaston:

a

But why hasn't it happened with Norwegian
and Danish ships which have been seized by

the British? If the Germans want to have -

why don't they have it on Norwegian and
Danish ships?

H.M.Jr:

The thing hasn't been as close to us and as

important up to now as it is at this time
due to the unsettled situation arising from the
French surrender.

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-9Caston:

Yes --

Foley:

The British and the Germans are after the fleet
and after the merchant marine of France. It is

vital to both sides.

Caston:

Foley:

That is right, too. The Germans haven't

asserted a claim to the Danish.

And they have asserted a claim to the French

ships as part of its terms.

(Mr. McKay entered the conference.)
H.M.Jr:

Ask Full if he can have a meeting tomorrow

afternoon in his office. I want to discuss the

status of the French ships in United States
ports and I will take care of bringing the Attorney
General there and if he wants to have any of his
lawyers work on this in the meantime, they can
contact Mr. Foley.

McKay:

All right, sir.
(Mr. McKay left the conference.)

Foley:

The statute is awfully broad.

H.M.Jr:

I think we ought to put this up to Hull.
Well, I think there is no doubt about that.

Foley:

The President would have to get Hull's

approval.
M.Jr:

I know what will happen. The first thing he
will say, "What does Cordell Hull say?" If
I say State, Treasury and Justice are unanimous that we do so and so, it makes it that
much easier for him. I have grave doubts

about doing it just for France. I don't think

you are embarrassed yet on any of these ships
wanting to sail. Nobody has asked us, have
they?

Harris:
Caston:

No, and I think that is the last thing they

are going to do.

Especially in view of that incident in
Halifax.

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- 10 H.M.Jr:

Well, I don't see what else they can do,

do you, Harris?

Harris:

No.

Foley:

I will do it the other way and we will have
them both and I will get in touch with Bob,
then, the first thing in the morning when

he gets back and see if we can get the thing
cleared up over there.
H.M.Jr:

We haven't done anything about those three

Harris:

Weren't you surprised on that memo I gave

H.M.Jr:

Yes. Seven ships, wasn't it?

Harris:

Seven ships.

countries, Latvia, Esthonia and Lithuania?

you on Finland?

That had gone in?
Harris:

Seven had gone in since May 10.

Gaston:

To Petsamo.

Harris:

Yes. One is on the way out and they are going to come out wriggling.
I had heard that.

H.M.Jr:

Foley:

Well, is there anything on your mind, Basil?
No, not a thing.
Lucky man. All I have got is a headache.
I have got a couple of things I would like to

H.M.Jr:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

(Mr. Harris left the conference.)
Thanks, Basil. We will let you know about

Harris:
H.M.Jr:

clear.

that appointment tomorrow when you can go over
with us.

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Yes, sir.

Foley:

McReynolds called Larry Bernard and said that
Blackie Smith had gotten up an administrative

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order to provide for a coordinator of pur-

chases to be under the Advisory Commission to

the Council of National Defense.

H.M.Jr:

McReynolds will be here in six minutes on

Foley:

Okay, and they want Nelson to be the coordinator.
We have redrafted the order that establishes

that.

this office and appoints Nelson to the office
that is created by the order, but I didn't want
it to go out until you knew about it.

H.M.Jr:

Well, Nelson comes in this morning and says,
"Hasn't McReynolds told you about this thing?'
And I said, "No," and he said, "He was supposed
to," so I called up Mac and asked him to come

over here at 3:30 and tell me what it is all
about. I told Nelson there was nothing I could
do about it if that is what they want. I mean,
if they want him. It just leaves me without
anybody here.

Foley:

Does that mean that he goes over there full

H.M.Jr:

Yes. How do they - there are only supposed
to be seven. How do you do that?
There are seven on the council and then - six

Foley:

time?

on the council, six cabinet officers on the

council, and then there was provision for
seven on this advisory council to the Council
of National Defense and then there is provi-

sion in the law for the creation of subordinate bodies by the council to carry out

special assignments and this will be done under
that power and then the order would have to be
signed by each of the members of the six

cabinet officers. It would presumably be

approved by the President but they wouldn't

have any - they wouldn't be able to enter into
contracts, they wouldn't be able to place
orders. What they would try to do is to make
a study of the methods and facilities.

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- 12 H.M.Jr:

He isn't going to give this fellow any

Foley:

Well, this gives him all the authority he

H.M.Jr:

He can't buy?

Foley:

No, he can't buy.

Gaston:

He can't issue any orders to the purchasing

authority?
can get.

agents?

Foley:

No.

Gaston:

He just suggests to them?

Foley:

That is right, just advises.

H.M.Jr:

That is crazy.

Foley:

He can get their needs and plan and study
but --

H.M.Jr:

When are they going to give somebody some

Foley:

H.M.Jr:

authority to do things?
Well, under the law, you can't give it.
All you need to do is to take one man from
Treasury and one man from Commerce and give
them the authority. The President has the
authority and he could say, "You boys get
together and on the stuff you need, you

work together," and all this damed nonsense --

Gaston:

You have got such a committee now.

H.M.Jr:

Have we?

Gaston:

Yes. The Director of Procurement is chairman

H.M.Jr:

Is there such a committee?

Gaston:

Yes. They use it on items on which there
might be overlapping or conflict, but there
is no reason why they shouldn't be
instructed by the President to use it on

of it.

everything.

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- 13 H.M.Jr:

Is there such a committee?

Gaston:

Yes, there is such a committee and I think
an administrative order could make it
effective for the whole range of purchases.
Well, that isn't what these guys want,

Foley:

H.M.Jr:

though.

Well, let me just - why don't you fellows
wait a minute until Mac comes in? He will

be here any minute. I think it is all

damned nonsense. I don't know whether it
is Louis Brownlow or McReynolds.

Foley:

I don't think he is responsible at all. I
think it is Stettinius and Biggers and so

on. They are the fellows who want to get
H.M.Jr:

their hands on purchases.
It is all damned nonsense.

Foley:

I think Mac is all right.

H.M.Jr:

Are you sure?

Foley:

I am not sure.

H.M.Jr:

Because the original publicity when Nelson
came down here came out and said he would
do this.

2.

June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. President:

I am sending you herewith Mr.

J. Carlton Ward's first report with reference to the French aircraft engine industry.

I have furnished copies to the
Chief of Staff, Chief of Naval Operations,
and Mr. Knudsen.

Yours sincerely,

The President,
The White House.

Major Smith took this letter to
the President with the inclosure
to deliver to the President
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kr 287

June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. President:
I am sending you herewith Mr.

J. Carlton Ward's first report with reference to the French aircraft engine industry.

I have furnished copies to the

Chief of Staff, Chief of Naval Operations,
and Mr. Knudsen.

Yours sincerely,

The President,
The White House.

Major Smith took this letter to
the President with the inclosure
to deliver to the President
6/25/40

288

June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. President:
I am sending you herewith Mr.

J. Carlton Ward's first report with reference to the French aircraft engine industry.

I have furnished copies to the

Chief of Staff, Chief of Naval Operations,
and Mr. Knudsen.

Yours sincerely,

The President,
The White House.

Major Smith took this letter to
the President with the inclosure
to deliver to the President
6/25/40

:

June 25, 1940

My dear General Marshall:

I am sending you herewith for

your confidential information Mr.

J. Carlton Ward's first report with
reference to the French aircraft
engine industry.

Yours sincerely,

General George C. Marshall,

Chief of Staff,

War Department Munitions Bldg.,

Washington, D.C.

Major Smith took General Marshall's

letter and inclosure to deliver to

him.

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29Q

June 25, 1940

My dear General Marshall:

I am sending you herewith for

your confidential information Mr.

J. Carlton Ward's first report with
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FIRST REPORT WITH REFERENCE TO FRENCH AIRCRAFT
ENGINE INDUSTRY.

As you probably know, we were unable to disenbark

at Gibraltar a week ago last Saturday, on May 25th, as
had been planned. Everything was in readiness for our
trip through Spain to Paris; but the ship was asked to

clear through to Italy without subjecting itself to the
usual control and there was, therefore, no opportunity
to land. We, therefore, arrived in Paris on Wednesday,
the 29th, on the morning train from Genoa without incident.

We at once held a meeting with Colonel Meny, Under

Secretary for Air, during which we discussed the problem
before us. Colonel Meny stressed two aspects of the

problem: (1) insufficient quantity of motors, (2) need
for improving quality, and stated that they were equally
important. He referred to the fact that they were able
to assign two pilots to one of the Curtiss planes with
the Pratt and Whitney engine, whereas, due to difficulties
with equipment, one piece of French equipment did not take

care of one pilot to the fullest extent. He then outlined
the fact that they had standardised in France on the
manufacture of the Gnome-Rhône, in the air-cooled field,

and the Hispano-Suisa in the liquid-cooled field. They
apparently give great weight to the air-cooled engine
due to its lesser vulnerability, and their program
places more emphasis on this type. The current production he gave as 600 Gnome-Rhône motors per month
and

and 300 Hispano-Suiza motors per month. Their plans
were to get up to 1900 Gnome-Rhône motors per month

and 1300 Hispano-Suiza motors per month before the

middle of 1941. He considered the various categories

of training engines to be relatively unimportant.
These included Renault and Salmson.

with the situation at the front, the need for
increased production at an early date was stated to
be most urgent. The Gnome-Rhone program includes

production in the parent plant in Paris, on Boulevard
Kellermann, with a forge shop and foundry in Genne-

villiers, and a now shadow factory being built at Le
Mans, approximately 125 miles out of Paris, together
with the production of the Government-owned factory
SNCM (formerly Lorraine-Dietrich, also in Gennevilliers).
In addition, the research facilities have been put in
a new location, separate from manufacturing. Engine
testing is also to be done in a separate location,

and both are in the vicinity of Paris. Likewise,
they have worked out a system of allocating certain
parts to the various automobile factories for separate
manufacture with the thought of assembling them at
their underground assembling station, and this pro-

gran is stated to be under way. This should be veri-

fied by later inspection.
It was stated that the Air Ministry is more ooneerned with getting an immediate increase in the production of the Hispano-Suiza than it is of the GnomeRhône, and felt that we should endeavor to find the
reasons behind the relatively low production of
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Hispano-Suisa motors. The manufacturing program for the
manufacture of the Hispano-Suisa is somewhat like that

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of the Gnone-Rhôme. The min, or parent, plant is at
Bois Colombes, and is in the process of being moved to

an underground quarry in the outskirts of Paris. A
second unit, or shadow plant, is being constructed at

Tarbes, about 550 miles out of Paris. In addition, the
Ford Company of France are to manufacture the Hispano-

Suisa motor at Poissy, outside of Paris, and at the
same time outside of Bordeaux. The original intention
had been to have the Ford Company manufacture the Rolls
Royee engine but, upon the recommendation of the Ford
Company, they standardised upon the Hispano-Suise, thus

holding France to two principal types of high horsepower
engines manufactured here for their aviation service.

of distinctly lesser importance and in addition to the
above, it was stated that the SIGMA factory is expected
to manufacture Bristol engines of the English air-cooled

type with the ultimate idea of a production of 70 engines
a month. Similarly, Talbot Motors in Suresnes (Paris)
were to undertake the manufacture of Pratt and Whitney
motors under French Government license to an amount of

60 engines per month. It is evident that the latter
is not in favor with the Ministry for reasons which
were not made clear.
A general conversation then ensued and in response

to questions with respect to the American aeronautical

equipment, it was stated that on the whole it was excellent but that gas tanks were, in certain instances,
too vulnerable, particularly when integral with the
wing

wing structure, that engine exhausts were visible at
night, which was a bad feature of the American Martin
bombers, and that they would like to have more speed

at a higher altitude than obtained on the early Martin
bombers.

Mention was made of the Brown-Boveri exhaust gas

turbine, which they are getting ready to manufacture
for high altitude performance on French planes similar
in action to our General Electric exhaust gas turbines
in the United States.
Propellers were stated to be not a production
problem. What they were getting from the United States,

plus their own output, they felt to be ahead of engines.
Production of accessories, such as carburetors,
magnetos, generators, starting equipment, has been a

problem, but at present is not; although it was hinted
that this may become a serious problem again in the
future.

with this introduction, it was arranged that we

start our first inspection the following day at the
Government's own factory, S.N.C.M.

Early in the morning we proceeded to Gennevilliers
to the Government factory S.N.C.M., and were told that

this factory was a very serious problem. We believe
that a special importance was placed upon it for the
reason that it is the only Government-onned engine

factory and that it has done a poor job with respect
to production. During the Front Populaire it was
stated that this factory, with nearly three thousand
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workmen, turned out only 20 or 30 engines per month.
A new management had been put in by the Air Ministry,

with the result that its current production is running
slightly under 100 a month. Upon inspection of the

factory, it was clear that:
1. Production methods, while improving, had been
very bad.

2. The Labor attitude seemed serious and willing,
but we were informed that during the Front Populaire
it was necessary to be a Communist to be a workman,

and that the troublemakers had since then all been
put into the army.
3. Women were being introduced on machine opera-

tions normally allotted to mon. There were 2800 workers,
including office and management, of whom 1335 worked

on machines. There were a total of 233 women workers.
For three weeks engine plants have been working the

new two 11-1/2 hour shifts, including Sunday. In the
S.N.C.M., factory women were released after 7-1/2 hours
of work at the maximum, and they used three shifts, the
other two being 7 hours each.

4. The present schedule calls for four engines

per day. Machining time is still high.
5. Because of war urgency, the usual method of
testing finished engines has been completely revised.

Now, after the engines receive a first test, an
inspection is made by "pulling" two cylinders and if
no trouble appears, the engine is shipped. This is
strictly a wartime necessity, and is done to get the
engines to the front more rapidly, even at the risk
of less assurance of quality. This also reduced the

assembly

assembly and test time from 640 hours per engine to
400 hours, and turned an inventory of approximately
25 engines into finished production.

6. spoiled work is high. No exact figures
were given, but several sources stated it to run
10% to 12%, which is very much higher than engine

practice in America.
7. The raw materials were in all cases not of
best quality, although cylinder castings appeared
unusually good, contrary to our information before
sailing.

8. The shop is not clean nor well lighted by
American standards, nor is it well laid out. Efforts have been made to improve some of these condi-

tions but the matter is at a standstill until it is
decided if the factory is to be removed from Paris
due to danger from bombing, or other enemy penetration.

9. There is a shortage of cutting tools. when
this situation was inquired about, it was stated that
they would have preferred to have them come from the

United States in order to get the needed quality and
that the budgets for operations had not permitted the
management to purchase in sufficient quantity.
10. The engine is an expensive one from the

design point of view, and it is difficult to manufacture certain of the major parts at a low cost.
11. The number of engines actually shipped in

May is 115 due to liquidating the inventory, as

stated above. The plan for this factory is to bring
production up to 150 a month. The engine manufactured
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is the Onome-Rhone 14-N-49, with a nominal horsepower

of 980 at 4000 maters altitude, and 850 HP at sea level.
The management of this factory appeared almost
eager to receive assistance of any kind and showed

every cooperation in furnishing information. The

Air Ministry likewise indicated that it did not wish
to wait for our complete study before having some

indication of our thoughts with respect to this
factory. It is assumed that because of the bad production record and the fact that it is a Government
plant, the Government is desirous of improving the

situation at the earliest moment in order to get
more engines and probably to lessen any criticism
of the Government operation.

on Friday morning, the American group sat down
and discussed the observations of the day before and

the method of handling the Ministry's request. It
was the original plan to study all facilities before
determining what recommendations would be made to the

Ministry. In view of the delicacy of the situation,
a decision was reached to call in the Under Secretary
for Air and lay before him only technical recommendations which would be of assistance in this connection.
These recommendations were divided into:

1. Strengthening the organisation with respect
to the planning function, material control, requisitioning of raw material, etc.
2. Improve the technical aspects of the manufacturing processes, the machinery and equipment, etc.

3. A request for a report on the service

difficulty

difficulty with this engine in order to see if its opera- 305
tion in the field could be improved by minor engineering
modifications which could be readily incorporated.
4. Stressing the need for more careful delineation
of responsibility for the various phases of management.
These were presented to the Air Ministry and it was
decided to call a meeting of the plant management the
next morning at the factory and present the American
group's recommendations with both groups present.

Early Saturday morning, June 1st, the American

group not with the officials of the S.N.C.M., factory
and the Under Secretary of the Air Ministry during
which detailed recommendations were presented. The

meeting proved successful and, upon its conclusion,
we were informed that our approach to the problem
had succeeded in building up the morale in the Government plant.

It should be noted that this factory is doing
no original engineering work, but is making a Chinese
copy of the Gnome-Rhône engine from drawings given it

by the parent company under license.

After luncheon, the Ministry then asked the
American group to inspect the plant of Talbot Motors.
Upon arrival at the factory in Suresnes, it seemed

apparent that this also is primarily a Ministry
problem. The Managing Director was known to the

writer during his visit to the Pratt and Whitney
factory

factory in 1938 and the situation is complicated by the

fact that he is partly Italian and partly French, and
in addition was a British citizen due to long residence
in England before taking over the Talbot factory a few
years ago. The factory is divided into two units, one
of which is represented by the motor car factory and the
other is a brand new unit for the manufacture of Pratt
and Whitney engines under license from the French Gov-

ernment. After an inspection of the two factories,
the Managing Director informed the writer that the

many difficulties which had arisen in connection with

his relationship to the Air Ministry had made it inpossible to go on, and he was anxious to find a way

out. He had installed in the new addition over a
million dollars' worth of the finest American machine
tools and had spent $300,000 in making the jigs and

fixtures from Pratt and Whitney drawings in order to
begin manufacture of certain parts and gradually ex-

pand into a full-fledged plant.
The original plan of Talbot Motors also included
the manufacture of the Pratt and Whitney engine to
American dimensions and standards and by an exact

duplication of the methods used by the Pratt and
Whitney Company in the United States. It was felt

that this would introduce into France certain refinements of manufacturing technique which are peouliar

to the American engine industry and would be of real

importance to France. In line with this policy, the
Talbot Company had ordered all its steel forgings
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aluminum, it had ordered all parts from the Heavy
Duty Alley Company of England. This. was necessary

because the parts required a refinement of the

forging processes not at this time available in
France. Likewise, all magnesium parts would come
from the Magnesium Castings and Production Company

of England for a similar reason. It was their opinion
that if this plan were carried through to a successful
conclusion, it would be a real contribution to French

industry. However, there is little likelihood of this
ambitious plan being carried out under the situation
now existing between the Talbot Company and the Ministry.

In addition, "Talbot" had given to the Air Ministry in October a list of the machinery which (on an
estimated basis) represented several million dollars
additional and which would then equip "Talbot" to
make complete engines.

There seems to be doubt as to whether this plan

also will be carried out, and this probably is one
of the Ministry's reasons for requesting the opinion
of the American group without further delay.

It is also of interest to note that in the motor
car factory most of the equipment was idle and very
few of the mon were at work which, it was inferred,

was also due to the difficulties confronting this
company and the fact that it can now go no further
without substantial funds from the Government.

Due to the delicacy of this situation, the
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to see some of the large privately-operated units before taking up this problem further.
The Air Ministry then suggested that on the following day an inspection trip be made to one of the

larger air fields protecting the Paris area, located
at Chantilly and half-way to the front line. This is
the headquarters of all the aviation groups defending
the area from Le Havre to Paris.

Upon arrival at the air field in Chantilly, we
presented ourselves at General Headquarters and were

greeted by General Pinsard and his staff. We were
given every opportunity to see all phases of the
operations, as well as the servicing of the motors,

and to talk in detail with the mechanics and officers
who had charge of servicing the power plants. We

fortunately were able to suggest the inclusion in
our party of Lieutenant Colonel Hunter of the United
States Army Air Corps throughout this inspection

and this report will, therefore, omit references to
the large amount of military information which was

given to us, which will be included in his report.
We were also fortunate in meeting the officer

commanding a battery of 90 - anti-aircraft equipment installed for the defense of Paris and were
invited to inspect this equipment on our way back
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The force located at Chantilly consisted of two
squadrone of Bloch No. 158 pursuit ships equipped
with Gnone-Rhome motors No. 14-N-38 which were ap-

proximately one month old. The motors replaced older
motors which had been installed in these ships. The

squadrons had seen considerable air activity, as witnessed by the fact that 9 enemy airplanes had been
brought down during the last week by the first group
consisting of twelve Bloch fighters. We heard several
minor actions during our stay but were surprised to

find out that the actual flying time of the engines
had only averaged between forty and fifty hours apiece

for the month. The second pursuit group of Chantilly
had brought down three airplanes during the current
week, neither group losing any personnel, although
four airplanes had been cracked up in forced landings.
The officers at the headquarters and in these groups
appeared to be commanded by distinguished officers

from the last war, and there was evidence of high
morale and confidence. However, before leaving, the
General showed us a military map in his headquarters

and, after pointing out the front line, forcefully
stated that with 600 more airplanes and 500 tanks

their situation would be secure, whereas, to quote
the General, they were now holding the Germans with

their "bare chests".
We were unable to secure any very conclusive

evidence as to engine equipment difficulties, for
upon questioning the monanies with respect to various
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features of the motors, the only ease where they were
unaminously critical was in connection with spark
plugs. However, there were two airplane engines under

repair at that time in the one squadron of twelve ships
in spite of the fact that the engines had had less
than 50 hours' service in the air. We were also informed that there was considerable evidence of piston

ring sticking. Also, we found a case where there was

difficulty from exterior oil fittings. These are
avoided in current American designs. In another case,
the piston rings had been assembled into the engine

incorrectly at the factory.
The location of the carburetor sooop was such
that considerable sand worked its way into the engine,
and this feature of the planes had been recently changed.
The Bloch No. 158 was accredited with a speed of 300
miles per hour, and the new Dewoitine, with which
some squadrons were equipped, was reported to operate

at the rate of 350 miles per hour. No questions were
asked by us with reference to American equipment since

it is planned to visit a squadron equipped with American

units at the front in the next few days. Two other
instances of trouble which were reported, were: (1)
a crankshaft breaking in two, stated as probably caused

by the inortia of the propeller after the engine suddenly ceased, and (2) in another case the breakage of

a propeller, causing it to fly off the engine.
The propellers were of French manufacture and

electrically-controlled variable pitch propellers.

It

It was also pointed out that the oil did not
seavenge from the lower oylinders, which made dif-

ficulty in starting. Trouble was indicated in oil
leaks from the cylinder head covers, which are held
on by a method similar to that discarded approximately
five years ago on the American equipment.

It should again be said that every courtesy was
extended, all military equipment was shown in detail,
including methods of operations, and with every possible consideration for our comfort, convenience, and
safety.

Upon our return to Paris we were taken to a battery

of 90 - anti-aircraft guns equipped with rangefinders and the latest type French fire control,
both for day and night firing. Unfortunately, we
were told, there were only twelve of these guns in
use in three batteries of four each. Colonel Hunter's

report will no doubt contain all of the useful military information, and here again we were given every

opportunity to see in detail all of the equipment and
the battery was put through a special drill in order
to show us. the use of the equipment. The morale was

unusually high, and we were told that the battery had
been in place for twelve days, during which it had
brought down two enemy planes.

On Monday morning, June 3rd, we were escorted

to the Hispano-Suisa factory at Bois Celembes. The
Paris units, we were informed, have 9900 workers, of
which

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which some 2000 are engaged in the production of the

Hispano-Suisa airplane cannon. There is also a unit
for making 100 Hamilton propellers per month under
an American license. Engine production amounted to

a nominal production of 250 engines per month, although we were informed that the previous month, the

actual rate was 200. It was explained that this, in
turn, was caused by the necessity for moving the
factory as quickly as possible to an underground
quarry, a few kilometers further out of Paris, where

the operation will be entirely bombproof, even from
the heaviest bombs. This quarry extends back to a
period of 700 or 800 years ago and consists of a
vast series of galleries amounting to 65,000 square
meters in area.

In addition to the Paris units, a new shadow

factory is located at Tarbes, for which the production
schedule will call for 225 engines per month. Likewise, the Ford unit is expected to come up to 500
engines per month, which means that the Paris factory
will ultimately have to be brought up to 575 engines
per month in order to reach the total of 1300 HispanoSuisa engines expected by the Ministry.
A foundry is operated in connection with the
Bois Colombes factory and as yet no plans have been

made to move this underground. All forgings are
procured from outside sources, and we were informed

that they have ordered large quantities of steel
forgings in the United States, amounting to a

sufficient

sufficient quantity for 4800 engines. We were also
told that at Tarbes they have 2500 employees and will
be adding more. The management stated that it cost
8700 man hours to build an engine on the Paris equip
ment, but that at Tarbes, with all new equipment, the
new engine could be built for 1400 hours. Assembly
for engines would also be provided for in an under-

ground plant north of Bordeaux. The horsepower of
the present engine is 1000 at 4800 meters, and 1800 HP

available for take-off. They expect to manufacture
this year 400 of a new type which will be increased
to 1500 HP and will be of a four-valve type and higher
in RPM.

In this factory also, the Air Ministry has permitted greatly shortening the engine test in order
to speed production and to get equipment at the front.
However, the engine is still tested in two separate
runs with a disassembly in between, unlike the practice
at the S.N.C.M., factory, already reported. However,
the tests are short and amount only to 3-1/8 hours'

running on the first assembly and to a brief run of
a half hour after the final reassembly. An inspection
of manufacturing equipment and the factory gave the

following impression:
1. A good type of workman.

2. A large quantity of women workers.
3. Heatness and cleanliness throughout.
4. Good tooling of the old-fashioned type.
5. Evidences that the engine is being designed
with the idea of easier manufacture, although not to
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be interpreted to mean that quality has been pushed
aside for production.
6. Several of the General Motors members of the
Commission stated that the engine was an easier one
to manufacture than the American Allison and were

pleased with the general character of the design.
7. The supercharger is a new development and

is claimed to possess the operating features of a
variable speed supercharger, something which is not

yet available in the United States. The Commission,
upon request, were informed that they would be given

an opportunity to inspect this mechanism in the next
few days. The units are received at the factory complete so that inspection was not readily available.
8. All of the newest and best equipment had
been moved to the quarry and it was possible that
the reminder of the equipment would be moved without

much further delay. The speed of these moves, as

stated to us, is rather extraordinary, and we were
informed that in three or four days the rest of the
plant could be relocated.
We were then escorted through the engine wind

tunnel. This is a most impressive and important

facility and a similar unit is not available at this
date in an American engine factory. The writer was
informed that the cost of this unit was between

eleven and twelve million francs which, at a loose
guess, would represent an expenditure in the neighbor-

hood of half a million dollars in America with American

labor. The unit consisted of two facilities: (1) a
small scale high wind velocity unit for model

installation

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Here preliminary studies are made of engine cowling,
radiator seeeps, carbureter scoops, exhaust pipes,

and the like. The efficient installation is evident
from figures which we were gives in connection with

the large unit, (2) the large unit is for complete
fuselage or nacelle tests and is made at a slower

wind velocity with a tunnel throat diameter of five
meters. The wind is furnished by a fan driven by a
4500 kilowatt motor.
We were shown research photographs of smoke jets

taken stroboscopically in the tunnel as applied to the
new Dewoitine fighter. The importance of this demonstration can be best appreciated by the statement
made to us that the speed of this fighter had been
raised from 525 kilometers per hour, as now manufactured,

to 575 kilometers per hour, and with the use of no more
horsepower and at the same time that the liquid cooling
temperature was reduced 35° Centigrade. The curves of
data showed that the propellor thrust had been increased

from 550 kilograms to 590 kilograms, contributed by the

improved air flow through the oil cooler, also the
Prestone radiator, and the improvement in the exhaust

jet effect.
In consequence, the Ministry is now asking this

firm to test all engine installations in all new model
ships by this method.

We were also shown the altitude testing facilities
for engines, which consisted of a unit giving a temperature
as low as 550 below 0 Centigrade, and at all desired
equivalent

equivalent altitude pressures. We were, therefore,
much impressed with the engineering work being done.

Unfortunately, this unit cannot be moved, and
could readily be destroyed by bombing.

We were then invited to a final lunch by the
Minister for Air, his staff and associates, and
certain members of the industry. Upon arrival we
found the American Ambassador and, four minutes after

our arrival, an alert signal was sounded and we witnessed the bombing of the Air Ministry building in
which we were located, as well as the adjoining
factory of the Caudron Airplane Works before it was
possible for us to reach a bomb shelter. Bombs
struck the building in which we were located, as
well as the immediate neighborhood but, upon the

sounding of the "all clear" signal, we were again
immediately invited to attend the luncheon, which
adjourned to a restaurant removed from the scene of

the attack. It was evident at the luncheon that the
effect of this first major bombing of Paris crystallized in the minds of the Ministry and certain of
the industry leaders who were present the urgent

necessity for better protection of factories and
their location.
We were then conducted to the underground quarry

to which the Hispano-Suiza factory was being moved.

As we approached this district, we noticed that
several bombs had also fallen in the neighborhood,
but no damage resulted other than the destruct on
of a few workmen's homes.

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these underground galleries had been equipped with
machine tools and to find thousands of mon and WORSELL

machining engine parts in this location. The two
entrances to the quarry were well protected from the
air, and the amount of rock and loan between the roof

of the gallery and the ground itself varied from 30 to
60 feet. overhead were fields and farms and occasion-

ally a small ventilating shaft which looked like a
well. The temperature remained very constant and

with machines running stabilised at around 58°
Fahrenheit. When the mohines are not running this
temperature drops to a little below 50° Fahrenheit.
However, the workmen did not seen to appear uncom-

fortable and, as stated above, there were a great
many women operating the machine tools. For the
most part, the equipment was modern and of recent
design and maufacture - many machines being of
American manufacture.

It was not decided as to the location of the
heat treating facilities and motor assembly and test.
However, it was evident that the experience of the
bombing raid a few hours before had made such a docision much more necessary. Likewise, is was evident

that a secondary source of power would be desirable
since the power lines had been struck and severed
and only been spliced again a short time before we
arrived.
Reels of cable have been stationed all around

the city and were noticed in railroad yards with
the

the obvious intention of having them available to mand
power circuits when put out of action.
An emergency system of lighting had been installed
in the quarry in the event that all power were severed.

It was necessary to build a false oeiling of corrugated
gypsum to avoid any moisture or dust, which might fall
on the work. Other than this, the working conditions
were pleasant and the air was clean and free of any
movement, which is helpful to precision manufacturing.

Factory offices, planning units, inspection units,
electric trucking, and all like facilities had been
provided for in a very practical manner. The equipment was in many cases quite modern and much new

equipment was in evidence from the outside, as well
as some Swiss, English, and French equipment. It was
evident, however, that the main reliance is being
placed upon the United States machine tools and that

this is, therefore, one of the urgent supply considerations. The morale of the workmen seemed high, but we

were informed that many highly skilled artisans had
been taken by the army and that this was a serious
mistake. The management also stated that due to the
necessity for keeping over a hundred million francs
in United States funds ahead of receipt of materials,

the growth of this enterprise and the increase in
production had been greatly hampered. It should be

noted here that this unit is a private enterprise
and outside of obtaining equipment, in certain
instances from the Government, it operates as a

normal industrial unit.

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It is proper to point out that the standards of
operation are mugh higher than had been encountered

in the Government-operated plant. This operation indicated:

1. Enterprising management under most trying
conditions.

2. Good attitude by workmen, and high morale.
3. Good equipment and tooling.
4. Good shop management.

5. Use of women and specialized workers.

6. Good inspection.
7. Orderliness and neatness.

On Tuesday morning, June 4th, we were conducted

to the Ford plant at Poissy. Here a new factory of
model construction which was begun in March 1939 was

being completed. It was originally designed to make
a new small automobile which was put aside upon de-

claration of war. The original plan of the Ministry
had been to manufacture Rolls Royee engines, but the
Ford management, upon studying the Rolls Royce engine,

came to the decision that it would be unwise for two
reasons: (1) the Rolls Royce engine is the most complicated engine of its type, (2) by manufacturing the
Hispano-Suiza, France could standardise on only two
main types of engine, namely, Gnone-Rhône in the air-

cooled field, and the Hispano-Suisa in the liquidcooled field. However, this factory is very vulnerable
to bombing, and the management quickly realised that

it

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fore, moved all of the late American machines and its
best equipment to a location near Bordeaux, leaving behind standard equipment which, if lost, would not be
irreparable. The management stated that its main dif-

fieulty was in the fact that it had lost its toolmakers
to the army and was 50,000 hours behind in its tool
program. The management had made a study of the manu-

facture of the Hispano-Suisa engine and confirmed the

fact that the engine, with new equipment, could be
built for much less than the cost at the present HispanoSuisa factory. These figures are interesting and are
as follows: at Bois Celembes 2700 man hours, at Tarbes
1400 man hours. The Ford estimate for high production
on new equipment: 1200 man hours. It is obvious that
this management approaches the manufacture from the

automotive point of view and would like to change the

design in order to improve production. However, it
recognizes that this would have to be a very slow
process because of the unusual demands placed upon an

aviation engine for quality and reliability, and the
fact that designs cannot be altered without a great
deal of careful research and testing if the equipment

is to function reliably and if life is to be conserved.
The factory is in all respects a model one, even

to latest American standards, (1) the lighting is ex-

cellent, (2) ventilation is excellent, (s) the neatness
is outstanding, and (4) machine arrangement and process

location are efficient.
only a thousand workers are employed, of which
approximately

approximately half are women. Another unusual feature
is that young boys between 14 and 17 years of age are
employed. These young boys and the women are worked

on short shifts of 7 and 7-1/2 hours, as against 11-1/2
hours for the men. The workmen appeared intelligent,
and the morale good. This factory would prefer to make

its production from American steels since they are
stated to be much more uniform than French steels.

This factory is equipped with a Diesel emergency

power plant which was running due to the fact that the
power lines had been severed the day before by the
bombs. The bombing had extended to this area, al-

though this plant is 12 or 15 miles outside of Paris.
The factory is 65,000 square meters, of which

less than one-third is used for the aviation activity,
one-third vacant, and one-third is used for assembling
trucks. A very model system of truck assembly had

been installed, of the latest type found in the United
States.
The management showed us an exchange of cables

which were highly confidential, wherein the United
States divisions of the Ford Motor Company had agreed

to help the Allies. This telegram referred to Mr. Henry
Ford as well as Mr. Edsel Ford, and indicated that the
decision had only just been reached that day. The
management indicated that in their opinion Germany
was manufacturing 1600 airplanes per month, France
and England combined, 1100, and the United States 300,

and that further immediate and urgent help was neces-

sary but that, unfortunately, it was needed within
the

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the next two months, which seemed improbable. It was

said that while the Ford Company had the sole rights
for manufacturing Hispano-Suisa motors, they had given
them free of charge to the United States Government in

hopes that help might be forthooming from the Ford
divisions in America. The management further added
that their estimate of manufacturing Rolls Royee engines
was 4100 hours, or many times the cost of the manu-

facturing of the Hispano-Suisa design. It is not
known the basis on which these studies were undertaken or made.

We were then conducted back to the Hispano-Suiza

factory, where an inspection was made of the foundry,
the bearing plant, the Hispano-Suisa airplane cannons
and the shell plant, and lastly, an examination made of
a German airplane motor which had been disassembled,

reassembled, and had been test-run, and which repre-

sented one of the latest types of German pursuit motors.
We were informed that this motor was a very complicated
one to make. It is the Jumo No. 211 of 1000 HP to
1050 HP and was said to weigh 675 kilograns. The motor

had run only 50 hours and indicated that it would not
run very much longer without difficulty. The management gave it as their opinion, based on inspection of
several German motors, that the motors, as a general
rule, would not run over 50 hours without extensive
repairing,and that perhaps this was part of the German

plan. The installation of the motor was such that it
could be changed rapidly and replaced in the airplane.
Its altitude performance was calculated at 4000 maters
and,

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and, from an analysis of the fuel left in the tank
when it was brought down, the gas was found to be

85 to 90 fuel octane quality.
As we went out, a motor was seen on the test

stand with exhaust gas trappings of the Brown-Bovert
type referred to elsewhere.

J. Carlton Ward, Jr.

Copies for:

The President of the United States of America,
The Secretary of the Treasury,
ROMIRAL

General-Towers,

General Arnold.

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EMBASSY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
OFFICE OF THE TREASURY ATTACHÉ
CUSTOMS
CABLE AND TELEGRAPH ADDRESS

SPAGENT. PARIS

TEMPORARY ADDRESS
1, Cours du XXX Jullet

AVENUE GARRIEL

PARIS FRANCE

BORDEAUX, France
TELEPHONE: 00-23
INTER 80

June 25, 1940

Mrs. H. Klotz,
Assistant to the Secretary
of the Treasury,
Washington, D. C.

Dear Mrs. Klotz:

This extra copy of the confidential report of
Mr. Ward's Committee could not be sent to Mr. Morgenthau

earlier, as Mr. Ward needed all the copies which had

been made at the first typing. Until today there has
been no pouch going to Washington since the report was
re-typed.

Circumstances will probably give me an opportunity
of seeing you again soon in America, and I am looking

guest

forward with pleasure to our meeting.

Affectionately,

Bryan

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Dated at Bordeaux
June 14, 1940

TO:

Colonel Jules Meny, Sous-Secretaire de 1'Air
via General Martinot Lagarde - Inspecteur General
de l'A6ronautique.

In accordance with our understanding with you, this
memorandum will serve to present to you a brief summary of
the work, the observations, and the recommendations of the

group of American representatives sent to France in response to your request directed to Mr. Alfred P. Sloan,
Chairman of the Board of the General Motors Company, and

who were gathered together in the United States by the
General Motors Company for this purpose.

Upon our arrival in France, at Paris, on the morning
of May 29th, we received your summary of the general pro-

duction plan of the Air Ministry for the production of
aviation motors and also the understanding that production

of aviation motors in France constituted the limiting feature
for the production of complete airplanes. It was also made
clear that training planes and motors for training were not
a serious production problem. It was also explained to us
that the Ministry was concerned with improving the quality
as well as the quantity of completed aviation engines.

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2.

This was followed by a succession of visits to various

manufacturing and allied facilities, as follows:
May 30th - S.N.C.M. Factory, Argenteuil.
May 31st - Conferences at Hotel Meurice (S.N.C.M.)

June 1st - S.N.C.M. Factory, Argenteuil
Talbot Motors, Suresnes.

June 2nd - Chantilly - Air Headquarters.
June 3rd - Hispano-Suiza - Bois-Colombes.

June 4th - Ford Air - Poissy
Hispano-Suiza, Laboratory.
June 5th - Gnome-Rhone - Gennevilliers.

S.G., Paris.

June 6th - Conference, Hotel Meurice (Talbot)
June 7th - Ford, Asnières
Turbomeca, Billancourt.
June 8th - To Le Mans - Gnome-Rhone.

June 9th - Gnome-Rhone (under construction)
To Bordeaux.

June 10th - Ford Air - Bordeaux
Blooh S.N.C.A.S.O. - Bordeaux, Merignac.

June 11th - Ford Air - Conference.
June 12th - To Tarbes and return
Hispano-Suiza - Tarbes.
June 13th - Bordeaux, Repair and overhaul Depot.

Before entering into the emmeration of the recommendations

or suggestions of the Commission, it might be well to set down a

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3.

few general observations.

Thus, in general, it may be said that the volume of

aircraft engine motor production, as well as the facilities
for production and the methods used, both for technical
processes and for plant management, were on the whole better

than the Commission had been led to expect through informa-

tion which had reached it in America. It could be generally
said that each of the various works visited showed unusual

ingenuity with respect to certain phases of its operations.

It is likewise true, as will be pointed out later, that in
nearly all cases, specific improvements could be made which
would tend to increase the general production and improve

quality in accordance with the desires of the Air Ministry.
Secondly, it should be pointed out that conditions
changed very greatly from those in existence at the time of
the Commission's arrival, due to military operations which,
in turn, necessitated movement of many of the manufacturing

units, as well as cutting off a large number of suppliers.
Thus, the character of the problem changed daily, Naturally,

this affected the ability of this Commission to follow through

your original request as it was primarily outlined. Consequently, while the present unstabilized military situation
persists, with the resulting necessity for evacuation of

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plants from day to day, it is the considered opinion of the
Committee that production cannot be stabilized.
Thirdly, in view of your statements that the American
aviation equipment now being used in your military operations

is superior in nearly all cases to the remainder of the
available equipment, it is obvious that the greatest assistance can come through speeding up production of American

aviation equipment in the United States and perhaps supple-

menting this production by furnishing necessary raw materials

or partly fabricated materials to take the place of supplies
which are now out off from your plants due to the advance

in military operations.
As the Committee has already intimated to you, it is
the private opinion of this Commission that any equipment
made in America and furnished as complete equipment should,
in accordance with the above, be made to American designs,

It does not seem necessary herein to give all of the reasons
for this Commission's opinion with regard to the above, since
the discussions were covered in detail with you in Asnières,
and again informally during a discussion held at the Hispano
works in Tarbes, on June 12th.
It seems unnecessary at this moment to repeat the recommendations given to you with respect to the Government's
S.N.C.M. works at Argenteuil and the Government's Pratt-

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5.

Whitney 1830 engine license at the Talbot Motors in Suresnes.
These have already been submitted to you in detail as well
as to the management of the S.N.C.M. and, through you, to

the Talbot organization as well.

It is interesting to point out, however, that the Commission's recommendation with respect to moving the new
American machine tool equipment from the Paris area has now

been borne out by the military situation existing at present.
It is also felt that the Committee's recommendation that the
Talbot equipment be kept intact for the furnishing of spare
parts and later on for the manufacturing of motors of PrattWhitney design will be more desirable than ever before in

view of the fact that the French engine industry will now
have to rely to a greater extent on American sources of raw

materials. It is further supported by the fact that the
Pratt-Whitney engine has been evaluated by those of your

military authorities who were contacted as the most satisfactory and useful of its various engine equipment now in
use at the front.
The most important specific recommendations follow:
Technical Design and Engine Considerations
1) Wherever required engineering design tolerances should

be readjusted to provide interchangeability. Hand fitting

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6.

(adjusting) is now required in order to assemble the finished

préduct. (Note: By studying the conditions in the Bordeaux
Overhauling Shop with respect to new parts furnished by Pratt

and Whitney for motors, it will be clear what is meant by the
above.)

2) Process grinding should be substituted for hand opera-

tions wherever possible in manufacturing highly stressed parts.
Such parts can then be readily polished without the necessity
of removing much metal.

3) Highly stressed parts should be highly finished, and

all tool marks eliminated. (Note: In many of the plants
visited it was observed that highly stressed parts were highly

finished, but this was not a universal practice in all factories.)
4) Eliminate unnecessary operations contributing to appearance only. Thus, to conserve man hours, much painting,

matching of surfaces on parting lines, particularly on castings, and the hand polishing of relatively unstressed parts
can be dispensed with, subject to engineering approval.

5) Avoid putting engineering changes into effect in such
a manner as to delay production. Carefully schedule them for
this purpose.

6) As was suggested in connection with the operation

drawings submitted at the S.N.C.M. factory, it would be well
to study the elimination of such drawings and the substitution

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7.

of operation sheets wherever possible, thus conserving engin-

eering facilities under the present conditions.
7) In a great many factories more attention to keeping
parts olean during assembly operations is urgently needed.

Thus, it was noticed that ball bearings were frequently seen
lying on benches without being properly covered. Floors
should be cleaned and dust reduced to a minimum. Between

shifts, partly assembled mechanisms should be carefully
covered.

8) Parts should be carried in wood containers or containers lined with soft material and should not be set down

on steel shelves or plates, or they will be scratched.
9) Engineering designs should be reviewed to see where

manufacturing can be simplified by minor engineering design
changes.

Manufacturing

1) Where automatic machines have been provided, a study
should be made to see how many machines can be operated by one

operator at the same time. It was observed in one factory
that one man operated a single automatic machine which was

timed to operate on a twenty-minute cycle. Adjacent to the
machine was another automatic machine with a separate operator

on approximately the same cycle. A single operator could
have readily operated both machines. Similar conditions were

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8.

noted in many places.

2) Spare sets of outting tools should be provided for
each important operation. This will eliminate the down time
observed where machines are idle waiting for tools to be resharpened.

3) In certain factories highly flexible machines were
used for relatively simple operations. Equipment in such
cases should be studied with a view to reallocation and the
use of single purpose machinery on such operations, thereby
releasing the more flexible machine for more complicated operations.

Thus, a brand new Hendey tool room lathe was seen operat-

ing on a relatively simple operation which could have been
done by a manufacturing lather, releasing the tool room machine
for badly needed tool room equipment.

4) In one factory there was observed a wide difference
between the time study or standard time for an operation and

the actual time. Factories lacking specialists for speeding
up such laggard operations should institute an activity of
this character.
5) In certain factories, machines were not placed to
avoid unnecessary material handling. In other factories
this feature was admirably taken care of. In some of the
newer units this feature seemed to be well studied.

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9.

6) It is suggested that plenty of coolant - 1.6., outting
oils - should be flooded on the work in order to prevent burning up the tools and increasing machine down time caused thereby.

7) Tools should be ground on a periodical basis and not

allowed to run until they produce bad work. When the latter

is done, the tool life is much shorter and the loss of time
on the machine is greater.
8) In many shops attention has been given to work con-

tainers. However, these were not universal in all factories,
and should be adopted.

9) Lighting should be carefully checked. Some factories

were poorly lighted for night work, thereby running the risk
of poor work and lost time.
Management

1) It is recommended that, if there does not at this time
exist a strong planning unit in the Ministry with coordinated
planning agencies in the various production units, such a

function be set up without delay. The detail planning funetions within the manufacturing organizations should be left
largely to the local managements, in order to adapt them to
local conditions. However, the system as a whole should be

carefully coordinated.
2) Professional workers, engineers and supervisors, where
urgently needed for vital machine production should not be

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10.

subject to draft in the army, without careful consideration
of all the circumstances. Evidence existed in certain plants
that organizations were being crippled as to supervisors,
executives, tool makers, engineers and the like.

3) Liberalized contractual relations with private organizations by the Government, in order to meet the unusual

production conditions now existing, are needed. Everything
should be done by the Ministry to prevent loss of production
through inability of local managements to make decisions to
adapt themselves to quickly changing conditions.

4) The above is particularly true due to the disorganization of the telegraph and telephone systems under present

conditions. If conditions cannot be improved, then greater

initiative should be permitted for individual organizations
to make emergency decisions.

5) As has been pointed out above, many efficient processes
and operating methods have been viewed in certain plants, and

are not general in others. Greater freedom of interchange

of information should be provided for if possible. A good
example is the tinning of cylinder sleeves to be nitrided.
In one plant this was done by hot tinning, hand wiped, and

in another plant by an efficient hot metal spray gun.
6) In view of moving large bodies of workmen, organiza-

tions should be set up in each manufacturing plant to

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11.

efficiently cooperate with local authorities in the matter
of housing employees who are suddenly transferred. No doubt

this has already received much consideration as is evidenced

by the City in the Pines at Le Mans.
7) Many difficulties have been experienced in servicing
and installing American manufacturing equipment due to not

receiving specific information from the Air Ministry representatives. It has been suggested that the various
American service, installation and engineering representa-

tives should be put in touch with each other, with the idea

of freely interchanging information for the use of all
American companies, in order to promote a more efficient
servicing of the French operated American aviation equipment.

It is also suggested that the Air Ministry institute a coordinating bureau for the purpose of contacting the various
American representatives so that the work may be done in the

English language, owing to the unfamiliarity of many of the
American representatives with the French language.

A headquarters location should be established for all
these unite, instead of each American company establishing

its own location independently of each other and of that of
the Ministry representative.

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12.

General

As has been stated in various places in the above, many
capable and efficient arrangements have been inspected, and

especially notable is that of the use of women workers and
young men on precision operations. At one plant women were

found in supervisory positions as job setters, and vestibule
schools were also in evidence for the training of unskilled
workers in preparation to machine operation. Thus, the
Commission feels that if quick decisions can be furnished
or made by local managements and also if there is the free

interchange of information together with the quick procurement outside of France of needed raw materials, plus the
purchase complete of American units to supplement French
production, that much oan be accomplished. The Commission

conoludes with the thought that it can be of more service
by returning to America without further delay than by any

further advice it can give or action it can take here,
where the situation is so involved.
The Commission is particularly indebted to the execu-

tives of the various plants it has visited, for their unfailing courtesy and their freedom in answering questions

of every nature. It is equally indebted to the Air Ministry

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13.

representatives who have made all of the necessary arrange-

ments and, lastly, for the unfailing care taken of the
members and the many courtesies extended to them by the

Ministry's representative, General Martinot Lagarde.

In view of the inability of the Commission to make

contact with you since leaving Paris, a copy of this report
is being delivered to General Lagarde, in turn for delivery
to you and on your behalf.

Signed:

W. J. Davidson
B. D. Kunkle

Arthur Nutt
J. Carlton Ward

Chairman.

ASSISTANT TO THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

DATE 6/25/10 1939
TO MR. HARRIS:

is a list of French vessels in
U. S. Following
Ports:
In New York:

S. S. NORMANDIE (From C.G.Report of 6/24
S.S. LEOPOLD L.D. (Rept'd by Mr. O'Keefe)
"
"
"

S. S. SAN FRANCISCO
S. S. ILE DE QUESSANT
S. S. ILE DE NOIRMOUTIER

In Chester, Pa.:
SSTK MEROPE

In New Orleans, La.:
S. S. MICHIGAN

In Los Angeles, Cal.:
S. S. VANNES
S. S. ARGYLL

The French Freighter SHERAZADA was reported

on June 21st at Latitude 24:25, Longitude 82:10.

MAI;
MR. HARRIS

by
June 26/40
CONFIDENTIAL

Photostat to

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339
June 25th, 1940.

The lease arrangement proposed for the CurtissWright contracts contemplated the purchase and ownership by

the British Government of additional plant and plant facilities
to be used by Wright Aeronautical Corporation for the duration
of the British contracts. Under such arrangement no income

taxes are payable with respect to the purchase price of the

additional plant and plant facilities financed by the British
Government. The result of such an arrangement, so far as it

affects the operation of the Wright plants, is the same as

if such additional plant and plant facilities had been purchased out-right by Wright Aeronautical Corporation. The

difference is in form only.
Curtiss-Wright have, however, advised us that
they consulted last week members of the Defense Committee,

Treasury, Army and Navy officials in Washington, and that the
consensus of the opinion of such officials was that such
lease arrangement would be unacceptable, as a matter of policy, to the United States Government because the arrangement
permitted the ownership by a foreign government of United

States armament plant facilities, which ownership might result
in jeopardizing the interest of the American Government, or in
international complications. Curtiss-Wright advises us that
they have today received a letter from Mr. Knudsen, confirming

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the foregoing objections to the lease arrangement.
The lease arrangement has been approved in principle

by certain representatives of the Treasury, and has been
used by us in other contracts such as the General Motors

contract for the purchase of Allison engines. The amount
of taxes saved by the use of this arrangement has been
substantial and would amount to approximately $3,600,000.

in the case of the Curtiss-Wright contracts alone.
The objection made by the Defense Committee might

be met very simply by provision in the instrument of lease

covering the additional facilities fully protecting the
interests of the American Government, so that in no event

can the British Government affect or interfere with the
use of such facilities to the prejudice of the American
Government, or to the embarrassment of the American manufacturer.

It should be emphasized that from the point of view of operation the use of the lease arrangement makes no difference
whatsoever, and the failure to recognize this fact may result in the unnecessary payment by the British Government of
substantial amounts in taxes.
Because of the foregoing considerations, we urge

that the use of the lease arrangement be reconsidered by the
Defense Committee and we be given an opportunity to explain
the exact nature and operation of such arrangement.

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NUMBER OF BLAST FURNACES IN THE U.S.
Distribution by Districts

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As of June 25,1940
Total Furnaces in Blast 183

Total Furneces Idle 49
Preliminary

Treasury

C-322

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June 25. sabo

Dr. Feis
Mr. Cochrea

will you kindly send a esblegres. is . strietly confidential code, as
followst

American General Casablance (Newrone)

Please cable whether any American airplanes have arrived is
Casableans recently free North America, giving member and decertation

and indicating disposition thereof. Please eable prouptly similar
data with respect 90 say future arrivels free North America."

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June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. Stettinius:
This will acknowledge receipt
of your memorandum of June 22nd

giving me the information I requested
on the bomb schedules. I appreciate
having this data.
Yours sincerely,
(Signed)

Mr. E. R. Stettinius, Jr.,

Advisory Comm. to Council
of National Defense
Federal Reserve Building,
Washington, D.C.

W.

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June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. Stettinius:
This will acknowledge receipt
of your memorandum of June 22nd

giving me the information I requested
on the bomb schedules. I appreciate
having this data.
Yours sincerely,
(Signed) H.

Mr. E. R. Stettinius, Jr.,

Advisory Comm. to Council
of National Defense
Federal Reserve Building,

Washington, D.C.

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June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. Stettinius:
This will acknowledge receipt
of your memorandum of June 22nd

giving me the information I requested
on the bomb schedules. I appreciate
having this data.
Yours sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthan, Jr.

Mr. E. R. Stettinius, Jr.,
Advisory Comm. to Council
of National Defense,
Federal Reserve Building,
Washington, D.C.

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June 22, 1940

Mr. Secretary

The attached is self-explana-

tory. Sorry it has taken so long,

but actually the information was

not available until last night.

If you desire further informa-

tion, please let me know.

Ea

E. R. Stettinius Jr.

Ukhan

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UNIT

Cal. /30, M2, Ball Ammunition

UNIT PRICE

TOTAL

approx.

100,000,000 rds.

$3,850,000.00
5,668,724.60

Armor Plate

10,000,000 lbs.

TNT

1,450,000.00

Bomb Bodies, 100-1b. Dem.

350,000

11.25

3,937,500.00

Bomb Bodies, 300-lb. Dem.

213,000

27.25

5,804,250.00

1,180

127.82

150,832.00

817,000

3.75

3,063,750.00

230,000

3.25

747,500.00

26,000

58.00

1,508,000.00

190,000

14.50

2,755,000.00

646,000

6.50

4,199,000.00

975,000

4.60

4,485,000.00
$37,619,556.60

Bombs, 1000-1b. Navy complete

Projectiles, empty, 75-mm. M48

" 3" A.A., M42
8" How. (new type)

"

" 155-mm. M101
105-mm. How. M1

90-mm. A.A.

"
"

Delivery of armor plate is desired within 10 months.
5% of all projectiles will be completed by January 31, 1941.

The 100-lb. and 300-lb. Demolition bomb bodies will start in delivery
at 2,000 per week and 1500 per week, respectively, beginning August 1,
1940, and accelerate from that point.

The 1000-1b. Navy bombs can be delivered before December 30, 1940.

The above quantities and prices are based on complete deliveries
18 months from July 1, 1940, and can be obtained within that time.

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ACTION REQUIRED

CONFIDENTIAL

June 26, 1940

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

I have been advised by Wesley Lindow, who has
just returned from the Anglo-French Purchasing Board

office in New York, that a Canadian machine tool cartel

of some sort has been established to purchase machine

tools in the United States.

Mr. Lindow states that a Mr. Carswell, who is
handling this matter, has made an arrangement with
Mr. Knudsen for the furnishing of detailed reports on
Canadian machine tool purchases in this country directly
to Mr. Knudsen without going through the Treasury or the
Limison Committee.

Such a reporting procedure would set a dangerous

precedent unless the Treasury is to be relieved of its
limison function in whole or in part under the new defense
program. It is my suggestion that Mr. Knudsen be asked to
work through the Treasury or the Limison Committee on all
such matters.

Py.

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- 25. 1940.

Girounstances cause me to end Immidiately the general

powers which I have conferred by cable and letter of May 22

to Mr. Martial and alteractely to Mr. 3. do Sieyes to draw
ea all advonte including the notallie receive accounts
opened or to be openet on your books for the bank and is a

general - to operate said accounts. Mr. Martial and
alternately Mr. 40 Stepee Female accredited to operate the
special accounts opened w the Beak of Presso is accordance

with the powere conferred w - letters of February s and

April 9. I should approciate your embling - receipt
and miling letter of confination.

P. 7. Fournier

(Selephoned free the Federal Reserve Beak at New York
as test of a message received free the Governor of
the Bank of Presse)

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THE NAVY AND TREASURY DEPARTMENTS ISSUED a JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
CONFIRMING REPORTS THAT THE UNITED STATES CRUSSER VENCESSES

MAD A CARGO OF GOLD FROM FRANCE - IT DOCKED AT THE BROOKLYN MAPY
YARD LAST WEEK,

THE ANNOUNCEMENT SAID THE UNITED STATES HAD PURCHASED THE METAL.
THE ANNOUNCEMENT DID NOT DISCLOSE THE AMOUNT OF GOLD INVOLVED OR

GIVE ANY DETAILS or NOW AND I IT WAS ACQUIRED. IT READ:
"SOME TIME AGO THE UNITED STATES PURCHASED a sm or GOLD FROM THE
FRENCH GOVERNMENT. IT was TRANSPORTED TO THE UNITED STATES ADORAD THE

U. S. S. VINCENNES WHICH was RETURNING NONE FROM ABROAD."

M

6/25--FP626P cleaned this with a derie
to
5.30
5.45
He
cleaned
it
President and - cacha me back tn say K.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE June 25, 1940
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Yesterday evening Mr. Irigoyen telephoned me from the Argentine Ministry of
Finance in Buenos Aires. He wanted to thank me for assistance in his negotiations
with Mr. Jesse Jones, which have now been successfully terminated. Mr. Irigoyen
said that an item would be released to the press on Thursday morning announcing a
credit of $20,000,000 to Argentina.

Irigoyen reminded me that there are many securities of the Argentine, including
state and municipal as well as government and other bonds, held in London. He asked
if the American Government could not request the British Government to turn over to
the former all securities, of both North and South America, in England, against which
a credit would be given the British Government by the United States Government. I

told him that this would be impossible under our laws. I explained, however, that
we had been in confidential touch with the British, and that we understood that
important shipments of American dollar securities were being made from the British
Islea to this continent. Irigoyen was pleased to hear of this and hoped that we would
do what we could to have Argentine and other Latin American securities included
among those which are shipped to this hemisphere for safety.

13mg

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

FROM

June 25, 1940

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

The Minister of Switzerland telephoned me at 12:30 today. He stated that the
Belgian Government was planning to repay to the Swiss Bank Corporation $3,300,000
which represented a credit extended two years ago by the private Swiss bankers to the
Belgian Government. The Minister understood that the Federal Reserve Bank had the
funds to make this payment to the Swiss Bank Corporation in New York. Furthermore
Ambassador Theunis of Belgium had been in touch with the State Department in the
premises. There appeared to be some hitch, however, in the Treasury Department or
the Federal Reserve Bank of New York which prevented payment. I promised to look
this case up and call back the Minister.

After discussing this case with Messrs. Bell and Pehle, who had no information

thereon, I found from Mr. Cameron that the Federal Reserve Bank in New York was await-

ing a letter from the State Department, transmitting an original and authenticated
letter from Ambassador Theunis, the latter to be accompanied by two cablegrams from
the National Bank of Belgium, one of thich has not been received directly by the
Federal. Cameron stated that this morning a copy of a letter from Theunis to the
State Department had reached New York, but that the original had not yet been received.
Cameron told me that there would have to be settled internally in the Federal Reserve
Bank at New York the question as to whether payments could be made from the National
Bank of Belgium account on instructions coming from a French city other than Paris.
A message was received yesterday from Governor Janssen at Poitiers, France. I told
Cameron that I understood the Belgians desired to sell approximately three and one-half
million dollars of gold to us, presumably to provide the funds for the above-mentioned
transaction. Cameron confirmed this, but said the operation would not be put through

until the entire matter is ready to be cleared up.

At three o'clock Governor Ransom of the Federal Reserve Board told me that the

Minister had been in touch with Walter Gardner in regard to clearing the transaction under reference. I explained to Governor Ransom that I was straightening this
out as far as possible from this end. I then telephoned Mr. Lewis Clarke, in charge
of the Belgian desk in the Department of State. He confirmed that he had today received
Swiss

the letter in question from Mr. Theunis. He planned to send it to the Treasury. I

told him that it should go directly to the Federal Reserve Bank at New York, with copies
provided simultaneously for the Treasury. He promised to get both the letter and copies
out today.

After this conversation, I telephoned the Swiss Minister and gave him the

pertinent information. I explained that nothing further could be done until the

Federal Reserve Bank at New York received the letter from the State Department, and

then decided whether it was in a position to act.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

June 25. 1940

Secretary Morgenthau
FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

At 9:10 this morning Mr. Knoke telephoned me from New York. He stated that
he had received a letter from Pinsent referring to a communication from his Government
which he understood the Federal Reserve Bank had received through the channels of the
American Embassy in Paris and the Treasury. Knoke asked me what this was. I explained
to him that Pinsent had inquired only yesterday in regard to this message, which was
embodied in cablegram No. 1752 from London, dated June 20, which I had passed on to
Mr. Knoke on June 21. This concerns the transfer of Bank of England accounts into
Government accounts. Mr. Knoke told me that his lawyers were still considering this

matter. There is a complication in the matter of accepting direct instructions from

the British Government in England, since the law which was drawn up the other day to
protect the Federal Reserve Bank provides that confirmation of instructions shall be
given by diplomatic representatives in United States. Knoke said that he would look
into this matter again, and let me hear from him as soon as possible.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE June 25, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthan

FROM Mr. Cochran

CONFIDENTIAL

Sterling improved today in very light trading. The opening rate was 3.69,
and shortly thereafter, it touched a low of 3.68-1/2. An upward movement then took

place, culminating in a high of 3.73-1/4 late in the day. Sterling closed at 3.73,
a gain of 3-1/26 over yesterday's final rate.
Sales of spot sterling by the six reporting banks totaled £117,000, from the

following sources:

£ 60,000
& 57,000

By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Europe and South America)
Total

£117,000

Purchases of spot sterling amounted to £108,000, as indicated below:
£108,000

By commercial concerns
By foreign banks

£-

Total

£108,000

The following reporting banks sold cotton bills totaling £18,000 to the

British Control on the basis of the official rate of 4.02-1/2:

£16,000 by the Guaranty Trust Company

1,000 by the National City Bank
1,000 by the Bank of Manhattan

£18,000 Total

The Bank of Manhattan reported that it had purchased £10,000 from the

British Control at the official rate of 4.03-1/2, the funds to be used to pay
for whisky shipments.

The Swiss franc had an easier tone this morning. It was offered at .2258-1/2
at the opening, as against yesterday's final quotation of .2261. A low of .2257
was touched at noontime. The rate was steady during the afternoon, closing at
2257. It was reported that very little interest was shown in that currency.
The Mexican peso experienced an improvement today. Since June 17. quotations
equivalent to .1818 bid, .2000 offered have been received by a New York bank from
Mexico City. We understand that the occasional peso transactions which have taken
place in New York during the past few days have been effected at gradually increasing rates within the afore-mentioned range. Today's quotations, as received from
Mexico, were .2025 bid, .2065 offered.

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-2The other currencies closed as follows:
Canadian dollar
Lira
Reichsmark
Cuban peso

18-3/4% discount
.0505
.4000

9-15/16% discount

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported that it purchased 20,000 Swiss

france for account of the Bank of Latvia.

We purchased $20,000,000 in gold from the earmarked account of the Bank of

France.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported that the Bank of Mexico shipped

$455,000 in gold from Mexico to the Federal for its own account, for sale to the

U. S. Assay Office at New York.

The report of June 19 received from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York giving

the foreign exchange positions of banks and bankers in its district, revealed that
the total position of all currencies was short the equivalent of $19,310,000, an
increase of $1,215,000 in the short position. The net changes in the positions are
as follows:

Short Position
Country
England
Europe
Canada

Latin America
Japan

Other Asia

All others

June 12

$ 5,283,000
8,100,000
248,000 (Long)

Short Position
June 19

$ 4,716,000
10,122,000

Increase in

Short Position
$ 567,000 (Decrease)
2,022,000

293,000 (Long)

45,000 (Increase in

166,000

85,000

Long Position
81,000

3,827,000
996,000
56,000

3,607,000
1,041,000
49,000 (Long)

220,000 (Decrease)
45,000

105,000 (Increase in
Long Position)

$18,095,000

$19,310,000

$1,215,000

The increase of $2,022,000 in the short position shown under "Europe" reflects
advances in the New York institutions commitments reported under "Netherlands" (up
$1,667,000) and under "Belgium" (up $743,000).
The report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York listing deposits for the

account of Asia as reported by the New York agencies of Japanese banks on June 19,
showed that such deposits totaled $38,763,000. a decrease of $2,129,000 since the

last report as of June 12. Included in this total were $29,934,000 in deposits with
the Yokohama Specie Bank, New York, made by its branches in China (about $700,000

higher than the figure for June 12), and deposits of $1,397,000 made by the head
office and Japanese branches (off about $2,900,000). The overdraft of the head

"fice and Japanese branches on the books of Yokohama's New York agency was $74,458,000,

decrease of $4,758,000 since June 12.

CONFIDENTIAL

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-3- It was reported that the Indian bullion markets were closed today, and no quotations were received from that center.
In London, the prices fixed for spot and forward silver were both unchanged at
21-1/8d and 21d respectively. The U. S. equivalents were 38.41 and 38.18c.
Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was unchanged at 34-3/4*.
The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was also unchanged at 35#.
We made three purchases of silver totaling 275,000 ounces under the Silver
Purchase Act. Of this amount, 150,000 ounces represented a sale from inventory, and
the remaining 125,000 ounces consisted of new production from foreign countries, for
forward delivery.

CONFIDENTIAL

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June 25, 1940.
9:30 a.m.
GROUP MEETING

Present:

Gaston
Haas
Young

Thompson

Nelson
Foley

Bell

Graves
Schwarz
White
Cochran

Harris
Klotz

H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

What do you have?

I would be delighted to give some typewriters

to the Press room.

H.M.Jr:

We will have to have a little ceremony on

Thompson:

I think we should make a deal whereby they get
new typewriters if they take down their obscene
pictures.

H.M.Jr:

You have Perlmeter come up here, will you?

Schwarz:

Fine.

H.M.Jr:

And Mr. Thompson will be here at 10:25. We
will make a deal. What else?

Thompson:

Mr. Bartelt will have to reduce his force
somewhat on the first of July and to help out

that.

10:25.

in that situation, I take it you will not

object to letting Mr. McReynolds have some of
those people and put them on his roll.
H.M.Jr:

Say that again, slowly. If this is a

McReynolds
deal, I want to look at it three
times.

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-2Thompson:

In other words, we will unload on Mac these

people which would otherwise be dismissed on

the first of July.

H.M.Jr:

Can't Eddie use them?

Thompson:

No, he will have to reduce his force.

H.M.Jr:

And Mac can use them?

Thompson:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:
Thompson:

And as a favor we will let Mac have them?
As a favor we will let Mac have them.

H.M.Jr:

And there is no nigger in the wood pile?

Thompson:

No, sir, it is a help to us and it is help-

H.M.Jr:

Then as a favor to Mac we will do it.

Thompson:

All right.
I have Mr. Irey's report on the field inves-

H.M.Jr:

ing Mac, too.

tigation.
I have that right from the beginning. They got

old Harold mixed up. Okay, let it die. What
else?

Dan?

Bell:

This is a letter authorizing the investment

of the interest accrued up to June 30 on the
old Age Fund.

In view of the President's telephone call

yesterday and your statement to the Press
regarding French funds, I wondered if you
wanted to reconsider the memorandum we presented to you last week about issuing an

executive order along the lines of the
President's statement on the transfer of
territory in this hemisphere.

H.M.Jr:

Well, while Mr. Harris was out of town we
gave his shop a job to do, about the French
flag boats. Do you know many there are,
Basil?

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-3Harris:

In New York?

H.M.Jr:

Harris:

No, U. S. or its territorial waters.
No, I don't.

H.M.Jr:

Could you find out?

Harris:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

How long can you hold those?

Harris:

Well, you can't hold them at all, as far as
I know, except to just hold them, that is

all. You know what I mean?
Gaston:

The impossible.

H.M.Jr:

You can't do it, but you will do it?
Well, Mr. Secretary, there is a section,

Foley:

191 of the War Powers, that gives you and
the Governor of the Canal Zone authority
over boats under certain conditions. Now,

it is so broad that you can - if in your

opinion in order to secure such vessels
from damage or injury or to secure the
observance of the rights and observations
of the United States, you may take by
and with the consent of the President for
such purposes full control of such vessels
and remove the officers and crew thereof
and all other persons not specially
authorized by you to go or remain board.
When the Panay incident came up we got out
that statute and went over to the Attorney
General and the Attorney General at that
time was Mr. Murphy and he issued an opinion -H.M.Jr:

What happened to him?

Foley:

Well

H.M.Jr:

Is that why he was fired?
I hope so. He issued an opinion that to do
this in so far as the Japanese boats are concerned or the Italian boats or the German

Foley:

He issued an opinion --

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4-

boats would be a violation of International
law and that opinion is on the books now.
I think we might get a reconsideration of
the whole matter in the light of the present
situation and if it is agreeable with you,
I would like to talk to Bob about it and see
if we can't get that other opinion expunged
from the record and gethim to agree that
this action may be taken under this section.
It is much better in my opinion to operate

under this section than it is to try to

do anything by stretching your exchange con-

trol powers to cover ships. You have got
the legal authority here.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I would like Harris to follow this very
closely. We got a telephone call yesterday
from the President in which he wanted this

done and he said we would do it and then we

Harris:

would find some kind of law to back us up,
see, so would you work with Foley on this
thing very closely and then -Yes, if he will give me the legal grounds.
I don't need legal grounds if you want the
ships held up. We will just hold them up,
but we are in this thing so deep now it
doesn't make much difference, as far as I
can see.

H.M.Jr:

Harris:

I agree with you.
But if we can find some nice legal grounds,
so much the better.

Foley:

I think that we had better --

H.M.Jr:

In the meantime, we are holding them.

Harris:

Oh, are we?

H.M.Jr:

Sure.

Gaston:

The Department of Commerce is holding them.

H.M.Jr:

Does Harry know it?

Gaston:

Harry doesn't know it.

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-5H.M.Jr:

Seriously, will you get on top of this,

please?

Harris:

All right.

White:

Does the Attorney General interpret

Foley:

That is what they felt in that opinion they
issued last summer. It is a terrible

International law, is that his function?

opinion.
White:

Is it his function to interpret International

law?

Foley:

He is the chief law officer of the Government

Harris:

Did you see that report that the Georgic has

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Harris:

Do you know how many more have been sunk?

H.M.Jr:

No, do you?

and he interprets that statute.
been sunk?

I'

Harris:
Gaston:

I have got a list of some of them. The

Georgic, Lancastria, the Andania, the
Franconia, the Corinthia, and the Caledonia.

I think the last two are the only ones that

haven't been mentioned in the news dispatches.

Harris:

Yes. These are all big boats.

H.M.Jr:

Moving troops out?

Harris:

The Lancastria was supposed to have had

troops. The others, I think, were just

armed convoys.

H.M.Jr:

On the other hand, I have information in the

last few days - the last of the English
troops - this may be in the paper or on the
radio - the last of the English troops and
French are back. Not only did they bring

the troops, but they brought considerable of
their equipment back, too. They brought

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-6- considerable equipment back with them and they

got most of the Polish troops out of France,
also. I suppose that is what those ships are
doing.

Harris:
Viner:

I guess so. They are bad losses. All of those

are beautiful ships.

I have sailed on two of those, the Franconia

and the Lancastria.

H.M.Jr:

Well,
Basil, will you jump in on this with
both feet?

Harris:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

And if you find that we haven't got any legal
authority, then we have got to say so.
Well, we worked on this last night and I have
got the proclamation all ready and it is just
a question now of taking it up with Bob

Foley:

Jackson.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

All right. I don't see what that has - it has
nothing to do with this other thing, has it?
Well, it ties in with the whole thing. We
just raised the question as to whether you

wanted to consider a statement regarding a
fund such as the President made regarding the

territory. It is pretty drastic.

H.M.Jr:

On those things, let them start them somewhere

Bell:

start them here. Let the President start it
or let the State Department start it.
Well, the President started it a little yester-

else besides the Treasury. I don't want to

day when he said he didn't want the gold to
go out.

White:

Well, Danny, you can do it administratively
without taking action.

H.M.Jr:

Just a minute. He didn't say that, Early

Bell:

I thought you were talking to the President.

said that.

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-7H.M.Jr:

on the gold?

Bell:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

The only thing the President told me about was
that was there some way I could find of hold-

ing French ships in our ports. He hasn't

asked me to do anything else.

Bell:

I understood that he said also not to let the

French funds get out.

H.M.Jr:

No.

Bell:

I am sorry.

H.M.Jr:

No. Who was in the room when the telephone

Foley:

I was.

White:

I was.

H.M.Jr:

He didn't say that.
I got the impression he did.
I think that Steve Early said something in his
Press conference about it, but the President
hasn't said anything to me. I am quite

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

call occurred?

positive.

White:

H.M.Jr:

Notwithstanding, it is still possible to stop

it and we can do it administratively without
raising the issue.
No, let them - in the meantime, if I am correct, Dan, we are handling what I said is my
question. We are handling the gold question,
I mean the licenses, just the way we did last

week. There have been no changes.
Bell:

I think there is coming along a request for
the transfer of twenty million dollars of
French funds to Argentina, is that right,

Merle.
Cochran:

That is right, to the French Embassy in

Argentina.

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-8 Bell:

To make purchases in Argentina and we will be

right
up against the question in the first
few days.

H.M.Jr:

But as of yesterday, my statement was correct.

Bell:

That is right.

H.M.Jr:

What else? I would like you to stay behind
a minute. I am going to call up Mr. Welles
when we get through. You too, please.

Cochran:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Harold?

Graves:

I have nothing unless you want me to discuss
again this matter of stamps.

H.M.Jr:

Will you ask Mac for an appointment?

Graves:

Yes.

White:

There is a telegram received from Eaton
that you may have seen. There is one sentence

in here that is worth calling to your attention. This is from the head of the
Reichsbank in response to --

H.M.Jr:

I read it.

White:

You might be interested in knowing that the
Trade Agreement Society - or the Trade
Agreement Committee has given notice to

Italy to terminate the modus divendi which
has been equivalent to a trade agreement with

them. It will come to an end in thirty days.

Graves:

H.M.Jr:

We have a memo on this matter of stamp taxes.
That is the matter he asked me about.

I haven't got the time, but I am going to

borrow time during the day.
White:

Oh.

Here is sort of a brief summary of the capital

movements to date. We have had an inflow

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-9of about two hundred million for the year and

it is interesting that American securities

are about zera. We have bought as many as we
have sold. The chief amount has been exchange

in banking funds, about equally divided with

private.
White:

Is that all?
That is all.

H.M.Jr:

Basil?

H.M.Jr:

George?
Haas:

I have nothing.

H.M.Jr:

Chick?

Schwarz:

I have a draft of a letter you may wish to
send to Drew Pearson on the question of
supplies.

H.M.Jr:
Schwarz:

I don't like to send him a letter.
I can take it up with him. Phil Young and I

got together.

Schwarz:

Please. I would do it on an informal basis.
He is in Philadelphia right now but I will
get in touch with him.

H.M.Jr:

What else.

Schwarz:

That is all, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Phil?

Young:

You asked me to bring up these last two

H.M.Jr:

I don't remember.

Young:

Also the request of Mr. Knudsen for reports

H.M.Jr:

Well, he is entitled to those things.

H.M.Jr:

cables on the Hispano.

from the Purchasing Commission.

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- 10 Young:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

And I wanted to talk with Mr. Nelson afterward
about that thing. Are you busy at 11:30,
Nelson?

Nelson:

No, sir, that will be all right.

H.M.Jr:

Anything?

Nelson:

No, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Jake?

Viner:

I got a 'phone call a few minutes ago that
that corrected memorandum is on the way on
this chemical stuff.

H.M.Jr:
Viner:
H.M.Jr:

I thought you were going to handle that.

Weren't you --

You remember they misunderstood you yester-

day and had to get new information.
Yes, but -

Klotz:

Mr. Morgenthau didn't know about that,
because he had left.

Viner:

Klotz:

Well, I spoke to somebody yesterday.
Chief Wilson.

Viner:

Yes, and he 'phoned me and said it is on
the way.

H.M.Jr:

Can't you, between you and Co chran, get this

Cochran:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

There is one complication if this story is
correct (handing clipping to Secretary).
Well, it still wouldn't do any harm to dye

off?

them.

Cochran:

Well, they can hold them.

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- 11 H.M.Jr:

They could be dipped in a dye so we would
know - could identify the American ones.

Cochran:

of course, this calls for repatriation, too.

H.M.Jr:

Cochran:

Well, before you send it you had better show
it to Bell and Co chran and Viner and all get
together on it.
I have nothing else.

H.M.Jr:

Were you through, Viner?

Viner:

Yes.

Foley:

There is an acknowledgement to the Secretary

of State of that letter of his saying that
the airplanes may be flown into Canada and
just for your records, we did put in the form
of a formal opinion the memorandum opinion

H.M.Jr:
Foley:

H.M.Jr:
Foley:

H.M.Jr:

that I gave last October.
where are your initials on it?
I wasn't here, you see.
Oh. I was right, wasn't I?
Yes, you were right. He was acting.
That is now important your initials are.
Incidentally, Harry, could you get for me I don't think they gave me a copy - I signed
that memorandum on the South American
cartel thing. Somebody brought it in and I
signed it to Mr. Hull. I don't know who
prepared it or where it came from or anything else, but I want a copy for Mrs. Klotz.

White:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Do you know what I am talking about?

White:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Will you get that for me?

White:

Yes.

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- 12 H.M.Jr:

Incidentally, I would like to read what I
sign. I mean again, I would like to

reread it.
Foley:

We have redrafted that airplane agreement

that - to take care of that one little

thing we discussed last Thursday. Is it
all right to send it over to Mr. Knudsen?
H.M.Jr:

Oh, sure.

Foley:

I talked to Admiral Schramm, as you suggested, yesterday. I told him we would send
him a copy of the agreement and he just
wanted to work closely with us because he
says most of these questions they ask him
deal with the allowances for depreciation in
connection with income tax and what may and
may not be included in cost determination

H.M.Jr:
Foley:

for Vinson-Trammell purposes.
Didn't he know what we had done?

In a vague sort of way he did, but he wants
to work closely with us, he says. He wasn't

critical, he was just merely trying to be

cooperative.
H.M.Jr:

Send him a copy of this testimony he gave on

Foley:

Okay for me to call Bob Jackson?

H.M.Jr:

Sure.

Gaston:

You asked me to bring up a letter for
Edison and I forgot to bring it in with me
but Charles Edison suggested that the United
States establish a dirigible transport
service between the United States and South
America and it said that we have available

the Hill about the Treasury. All right?

trained personnel in the Navy which would
cooperate in the operation of these ships.

He has written a similar letter to State and
to Commerce.

H.M.Jr:

What will we do about it?

369

- 13 Gaston:

I don' tit.think there is anything for us to do
about

H.M.Jr:

Will you handle it? Dirigibles and Coast
Guard are sort of akin.

Gaston:

I think we should just acknowledge it. Some-

body may want to look into it, but I don't

think it is quite our responsibility. It is

probably the responsibility of Commerce.
H.M.Jr:

I would like to see Harris and Foley at 3:00
o'clock today to get a report on where we
stand on these French ships. You had better
be here too, Herbert.

Gaston:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Will you handle that Edison letter?

Gaston:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

370

June 25, 1940
8:50 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Secretary Hull.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Secretary
Hull:

All right, Henry.

H.M.Jr:

How are you?

H:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Cordell, I doubt whether you know any more

about this than I do, but through the English
Financial Attache, he brought to our attention
the fact that -- your department, I think it
was Welles, gave a formal letter on the -just how this Government would handle the

French gold.
H:

H.M.Jr:

Oh, I don't know a thing about it.
Well, I was sure you didn't and I wasn't
consulted and -- I mean, naturally your
fellows have got to answer verbally, but
when it comes to giving a written formal
statement on how the Treasury is going to
handle its gold

H:

Why, of course.

H.M.Jr:

...... I think that -- well, I'm sure that

H:

you'd want me to see it.
Yeah. I wish you would get hold of Welles

H.M.Jr:

Well

H:

......

and tell him what you think about it
and have it straightened out.

371

-2H.M.Jr:
H:

Well, I
I'11
talkoffice.
to him as soon as I get down
to the

H.M.Jr:

Yes, if you would because after all

H:

I thought you might want to say something to

him, too, but I'll talk to him all right.
H:

Do you think I ought to talk to him also?
Maybe I'd better speak to him first and

H.M.Jr:

Right, because I haven't even got a copy

H:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

H.M.Jr:

see what we can do about it.

of it.

It's just what Pinsent, the Englishman,
tells me that Mr. Welles gave.

H:

Yes, I see. I'11 get hold of

H.M.Jr:

I was sure you didn't know anything about

H:

it.
I don't think I've heard of it before.
Sometimes something in an awful rush

H.M.Jr:
H:

I know.

something will slip through a person's

fingers just by somebody walking up and saying,

this is all right, there's no objection, or
something, but anyhow I don't remember any-

thing about it.
H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

H:

All right, Henry.

372

June 25, 1940
10:05 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Welles.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Sumner

Welles:

Good morning, Henry.

H.M.Jr:

Hello, Sumner.

I tried to reach you very early this morning
in order to find you in one of the best of

W:

moods and tempers, because I wanted to get
you to go back on something that you had

said and I'11 explain to you what it is.

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

W:

Traphagen and the Colombians have been

negotiating, I think, very satisfactorily
on both sides and it has now reached a

point where I think if they can agree on
one single point, all the other terms are
satisfactory to both sides. That point has
solely to do with the arrears of interest
and the amount of the interest rate if that
is capitalized, and I feel absolutely confident that if for once you could step out

of your -- what shall I call it -- your

monastery retreat on this matter and have
Traphagen and myself and the Colombian

together, this one point could be settled
agreed upon and get it done before the first
of July when the Colombian Government feels
it must be done if they're not going to have

and we'd get the whole permanent arrangement

to open the whole thing up and get Congress
to approve again and you remember that the
President had special powers granted him by

Congress to put this over before the first of

July.
H.M.Jr:

What I gather, what you're trying to get me

to say is that I'11 re-enter the picture.

373

-2W:

H.M.Jr:

No, simply conclude the picture that you
started. I'm not asking you to do more.
Well, you'd want Jones in on it, wouldn't
you?

W:

Personally, I think it would be better not
to. I don' really see any need for it.
It complicates matters frightfully and all
that's necessary is for you and myself to
sit in your office and express our hope that
this compromise will be acceptable to both

sides. I think that will wind it up and
then you won't have to be bothered any more.
But I think it's the only way of getting it

H.M.Jr:

done before the first of July.
Well, now, what I'm going to ask you do is -because I haven't thought about this in
months -- could you just have somebody jot
down on one page what this is?

W:

I tell you what I'11 do. I'll have Cotton

informed fully and then he can give it to
you on one page or half a page, anyway you
like.
H.M.Jr:
W:

H.M.Jr:
W:

H.M.Jr:

I tell you what I'd rather do. Is Duggan
in on this at all?
Yes, he knows all about it.
Couldn't Duggan just come over with a memorandum and explain it to me?

Surely. I'11 ask him to do that today.

I'll tell you in an hour, I've got a bad

day, but if Duggan would be here at 2:30
W:

H.M.Jr:
W:

H.M.Jr:

2:30 today?
Yes.

I'11 be very glad to do that, Henry.
Cotton is leaving the Treasury and that's
why I don't want to start the thing over
again.

374

-3W:

H.M.Jr:
W:

H.M.Jr:

Oh, I didn't know that.
and 80 I'd rather
Yes, indeed, I'11 have Duggan there at
2:30, and then my only request is that you
simply offer the use of your office, perhaps,
Saturday morning, if that's convenient

or any other time that you like.
Well, let me talk it over with Duggan and
I'11 consider whether my office 18 a

monastery or not.
W:

(Laughs)

H.M.Jr:

Now I've got a kick.

W:

Well, Mr. Hull -- I've been trying to trace
what the reason for your kick is. He just
spoke to me about it. What is the date of
that letter?

H.M.Jr:

June 21.

W:

Who signed it?

H.M.Jr:

You did, supposedly.

W:

What does it say?

H.M.Jr:

It starts off this way -- we got this from

Pinsent, you see.

W:

You got it what?

H.M.Jr:

Pinsent is the person that gave it to us.

W:

I see.

H.M.Jr:

"With reference to inquiry concerning contingency
which might arise, agreement to hand over
French assets in United States to Germany
were entered into by France," and 80 forth.
pointed out order subject to such
action -- licenses were issued on June 17th.

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4-

In the event of an Armistice or other

agreement being entered into on the part
of France, there would no doubt be many
questions of fact and policy requiring
careful consideration before any decision
by this Government to license the disposition
of French assets. The above-mentioned
to be reached. This Government cannot at

the present time forecast all the contingencies
of the situation." And I simply feel, and
I am sure you will agree with me, that any
written commitment on the part of this
Administration as to the licensing of gold,

et cetera, et cetera -- that at least we
ought to be consulted.

W:

H.M.Jr:

W:

Well, I quite agree with you. I suppose
that now what you refer to is a personal
letter that I sent the British Ambassador?

Is that it?
I don't know. It's just -- it's just what
Pinsent reported to Cochran and Cochran
sent me a written memorandum on it.

I see. Well, I'11 send you the text of that

letter and you'll see that it is entirely
open, that no commitment of any kind is

made. On the other hand, I want to tell you
that the President told me to tell Lothian
that so long as this Administration continued,
no governments in France subservient to
Germany or in occupied Germany would receive

any weakening of our position with regard to
the blocked balances and the Treasury control
of them here.

H.M.Jr:
W:

Well

But he asked me to tell Lothian positively
that he would not make that in writing, that
that 18 simply a verbal assurance.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I still say that if the President

asked you to do that, I personally should
have been advised.

376

-5W:

H.M.Jr:

W:

Well, I'11 send you the text of the letter.
I'm sure -- I know we're all under terrific
pressure, but those sort of things, I mean,
I try terribly hard here to advise you
people over there when I do anything.
Well, Henry, let me ask you a question.

Is this in the slightest degree out of
line with the policy that you and the
President have already agreed upon?

H.M.Jr:

I haven't agreed on anything with him, I
mean, this is all news to me. He's never
the only word I've had from the President
was the meeting where we went over to see
him with Hull and Berle and myself and Bell,
and we brought to his attention this question
of freezing everything or part, you remember,
and the President decided that for the time
being we'd only freeze the French assets.

W:

H.M.Jr:

W:

Yeah.

With the exception of that time and the
exception of when he called me last night
to try to hold the French ships in our port,
we've never discussed the thing which is in
this memorandum, or anything that we should
do in the future.
Well, when you see the text of this personal
letter you'll see that there's nothing in
that memorandum that -- that is in accord
with my letter. But 80 far as the freezing
of the French balances is concerned, all
that I told the Ambassador by instruction
of the President was that the French balances
were frozen and that we will continue to
freeze them.

H.M.Jr:

Well, you send it over and I'll appreciate
it. But if the President does say something
like that and you act on it, it would be
very helpful to me if Bell and I knew about

it.

377

-6W:

H.M.Jr:

Well, may I again say, Henry, that in this
case this is simply a reiteration of what
you'd already done. There's not the
slightest variation, I mean, every time
that I say that the President is determined
and the Secretary of the Treasury is
determined that this 18 the policy they're
going to pursue, every time that I say the
same thing, surely you wouldn't feel that
it was necessary to tell you so. If I'd
deviated from it then of course I'd want

to tell you.
Well, correct. But I say this. I'm sure

you won't disagree. When the State Department

puts something in writing that has to do with
licensing of gold, we ought to be informed.

W:

Well, I'll be glad to s end you the letter
and you'll see that that isn't involved in
the slightest degree.

H.M.Jr:

O. K.

W:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

And you' 11 have Duggan over here and he can
look at my monastery.

W:

I'11 be glad to do that. Many thanks.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

W:

Good-bye.

377-A

June 25, 1940
2:30 p.m.
RE COLOMBIAN DEBT

Present:

Mr. Bell

Mr. White
Mr. Duggan

H.M.Jr:

What have you fellows got cooked up today?

Bell:

Well, we have got a little proposition

H.M.Jr:

Mr. Welles refers to my room here as

here on the Colombian debt.

the Monastery. He thinks you can relax

in it. So I relaxed by letting Mr. Duggan
come in.

Duggan:

Did you get a chance to finish that,

Bell:

Yes.

Duggan:

How does it look to you?

Bell:

Apparently they are willing to pay two

Duggan:

We think we can persuade them to.

Bell:

As I recall, the difference last winter

Mr. Bell?

million dollars a year.

or whenever we were discussing this thing

before, the Council asked for two million
three or two million four.

Duggan:

That is right, two million three.

Bell:

And I take it they are willing to come
down to two million on a 3% basis. I

311-B
-2wonder if something can be worked out

for the 45 million dollar debt at a 31

percent rate, which would give you 650
thousand to apply to the sinking fund.
You might retire 600 thousand face amount
of bonds in the market and apply the

difference to the retirement of the 13
million dollars arrears.

Duggen:

Well, we cooked up --

Bell:

That would give them both a good market

and a good feeling about the arrears,

and sooner or later your Colombian bonds

might get close to par.
Duggan:

We cooked up a scheme along that line and

talked it over with Traphagen before he
entered into the second stages of
negotiations. The course of the negotiations
took a somewhat different path, and they
reached more or less the position set forth
in that memo, 80 our feeling was that perhaps
the first endeavor should be made to reconcile
the difference between them on the basis that

they were calculating. If that doesn't seem
feasible, perhaps we could propose some new
scheme along the line of what you suggested.

Bell:

What are the Colombian bonds selling for now?
Of course they are way down.

Duggan:

Well, I haven't looked at them recently.

Bell:

They will probably go up materially when
they start paying 3% interest.

Duggan:

Twenty-one.

Bell:

They will probably go to 40 or even 50 when

Duggan:

I doubt whether they go as high as 50.

Bell:

You might get as much as 300 thousand dollars

you start paying interest.

to apply on the interest arrears in the first

year and each year that is 650 --

317-C

-3Duggan:

Bell:
Duggan:

Of course, now they have introduced this

flexible provision.
Yes, I like that.
I doubt whether at this particular junction,
with the coffee market where it is, that we
could pin them down too hard and fast.

Bell:

Duggan:

But the revenue 18 something that is more
or less in the hands of the Government and

they might deliberately decrease it to get
out from under this payment. That is bad
from that standpoint.
Well, of course, there always 18 that
possibility, but the Colombian Government
is pretty honest that way. They are one

of the best in their fiscal administration.
I myself feel that if this scheme here is

accepted by the Council, that they are getting
a pretty fair arrangement and also giving the
public psychology of Colombia with regard to

H.M.Jr:

this particular debt - they feel they didn't
get value from it.
It is interesting, their putting in this
revenue thing. We had that in originally,
didn't we?

Duggan:

We talked about it.

H.M.Jr:

Have you had a chance to look at it?

Bell:

I just glanced over it out there.

H.M.Jr:

What do you think?

Bell:

I just wondered what the controversy was
between the Council and the Government. Is
there any point they are stuck on?

Duggan:

The situation in antithesis is this: They
agreed upon a basic interest rate of 3%.

On the arrears, the Council wanted 3% on
a hundred percent and the Ambassador thought
the Government might give 3% on 50%. Now
the Ambassador went back to his Government

and they have told him to put up 2% on 50%

317-D

The Ambassador says he is too embarrassed

to do that, but he recognizes that the

Council has really made the biggest concession 80 far and that he doesn't want to

put it up. That 18 why the idea is -H.M.Jr:

To drag me in.

Duggan:

To bring the Secretary in, yes, as a
catalytic agent here, to bring two together.
They are not really far apart. It is only
on this question of the arrears.

Bell:

Is that all?

White:

Have they agreed to the 3% on fifty or have
the Colombians gone to 2% on fifty merely

to get the others to agree to 3% on fifty?

Duggan:

That is probably about what it comes down to.

White:

We think the Council will accept 3% on fifty
and the Ambassador as much as told us yesterday
that he felt that if our Government now sort
of gave the benediction to 3% on fifty, he
could put that across.
They are lucky to get 3% on fifty.

H.M.Jr:

Who is lucky?

White:

The bondholders.

H.M.Jr:

You see, there 18 all this monastic idea.
You see, I am very reluctant to do this thing

and I don't want to have a meeting here unless
I know beforehand that the Council and the
Ambassador will agree. Will the Council
agree to this?
Duggan:

That was one point that Mr. Welles wanted
me to speak to you about. We think that
probably we should have a little exploration
here with the Council before the meeting.
We feel pretty certain from our meeting
yesterday that the Ambassador will - can
put across the 3%

H.M.Jr:

How about the Council?

317-E

-5 Duggan:

Laylin, who has been working with the

H.M.Jr:

Has anybody talked to Traphagen?

Duggan:

No, we will do that - we or your office.

H.M.Jr:

Have you been in contact with him?

Duggan:

Yes, we have.

White:

Have they accepted this flexible provision?

Duggan:

White:

They haven't accepted the flexible provision
either, but they have talked about a flexible
provision, and we think they will probably
accept that too.
Do you think they will?

Duggan:

I think 80.

White:
Duggan:

Ambassador, thinks they will accept it.

What is their current procedure. Have you
looked that up recently?
Well, they are coming in at the rate of 32

Bell:

million a year, this year.
The first four months of this year at the
rate of 32 million a year.

Duggan:

At this coffee conference at New York now
going on, yesterday we agreed to consider

import quotas on coffee. That might -

you knor.
White:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Why don't you do this? In the first place,
I think it is a mistake and if I am going
to have anything to do with it, I would

like Jones to sit in on it and he is a

much better friend than he is an enemy.
There is no reason to slight the man, so
I definitely make the suggestion we have
Jesse Jones.

What I see is that you will use me for
trading purposes, and I am going to hold

317-F

-6. a meeting if you can get these boys together,
but I don't want to come in here - I mean,
90% together, you see. I will see what we
can do. How is that?
Duggan:

That is fine.

H.M.Jr:

Would that be helpful?

Duggan:

That is fine.

H.M.Jr:

Don't you think so, Dan?

Bell:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

What they want 18 to use this office. Mr. Welles
said if they could use this office, they could
put it across, but they need the use of my
office. They didn't mention me, just my
office.

Duggan:

As a matter of fact, the Ambassador mentioned
how much he appreciated the way you handled

the last meeting.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I don't even get a can of Colombian

White:

You ought to be glad.

Bell:

It isn't good coffee anyhow, is it, Harry?

H.M.Jr:

You know the trouble with all these countries
who want to show their appreciation - I made
un my mind I always ought to take it the
minute they say 80, because if I wait a

coffee out of it.

year they are gone. I tell you what I will
do: I will set tentatively 10:30 Friday.

Duggan:

Mr. Welles wondered whether you could make

H.M.Jr:

it either Saturday or Monday.
I can't make it Saturday, but I could make

Duggan:

It is.

H.M.Jr:

What 18 he doing on Friday?

it Monday, but I thought that was July 1st.

377-G
-7 - Duggan:

He said he couldn't give his time to it on

H.M.Jr:

I thought the whole purpose was to do it

Duggan:

Well, those are his instructions.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I know he said something about

Duggan:

Friday.

before the first of July.

Saturday. I won't be here Saturday.

As a matter of fact, it is all right,
to do it before the first, but they really

Mr. Morgenthau. The Colombians would like

have in mind the 15th, when the President's
power is terminated.

H.M.Jr:

Which President?

Duggan:

The President of Colombia, who has special

H.M.Jr:

Oh, I thought you meant the Chicago Convention.

Bell:

It won't be over that soon.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

Isn't that funny, the 15th of July.
It kind of coincides, doesn't it?

H.M.Jr:

You never know - these Fifth Columnists, you

White:

Murder will out.

H.M.Jr:

How about 10:30 on July lat? Am I moving

Bell:

Surely, any time you want to.

H.M.Jr:

Or if you want Mr. Bell to call up Mr.
Traphagen or anything like that, will you
let him know? Will you (Bell) take that

powers.

know.

too fast? Now look, in the meantime, as
you get a little here and a little there,
could you (Bell) let Duggan talk to you?

on?

Bell:

I will be glad to.

377 H

-8Duggan:

I will try to get the thing all lined up

H.M.Jr:

My room is only available, as I say, if you

so it won't take more than five minutes.
can almost get to an agreement.

Duggen:

All right.

377-I

COLOMBIAN DOLLAR DEBT SITUATION

1. At the beginning of 1940 the Colombian
Federal dollar debt amounted to $45,200,000 (exclud-

ing that held by the Colombian Treasury). It is
estimated that as a result of repurchases in the
market, by December 31, 1940 the Colombian Federal

dollar debt will have been reduced to $44,000,000.
2. There are outstanding nine coupons representing

arrears of interest whose face value is almost
$13,000,000.

3. The temporary service plan negotiated last

spring for the year 1940 called for interest at the
rate of 3 per cent, plus $400,000 to be devoted to
amortization by purchasing bonds in the market.
4. Negotiations have been in progress between
Ambassador Turbay and Mr. Traphagen for a permanent

settlement. At a meeting about ten days ago Mr. Traphagen offered to press with the Council a settlement

calling for a 3 per cent interest rate on the entire
outstanding principal, to which would be added 100 per

cent of the face amount of the interest arrears.
Some amortization would be expected, but the discussion

did not take up the amount of funds to be put into

amortization

377-J
-2-

amortization. The interest payments involved would
amount to about $1,700,000, and Mr. Traphagen probably

has in mind total payments of at least $2,000,000 per
annum.

5. The Colombian Ambassador offered to transmit

to his Government a suggestion that interest at 3 per
cent be paid on the principal increased by 50 per cent

of the face value of the arrears, making a total debt
of approximately $50,000,000. On this basis, the
interest charge would be about $1,500,000, and

$300,000 could be applied initially against amortization within the figure of $1,800,000 which the Colombian Government has insisted was the most it could
offer at this time. The Colombian Ambassador also

offered to suggest to his Government that the total
payment be increased if the foreign trade of Colombia
improved appreciably.
6. The Colombian Ambassa dor has now received

word from Bogota that the Colombian Council of Ministers
has considered the matter and has agreed to 3 per cent

interest on the outstanding principal of the debt, plus
2 per cent interest on arrears funded at 50 per cent of
their

317-K
-3-

their face value. It has indicated that the fixed sum of
$1,800,000 for total service payments
would be increased
centens
to $2,000,000 when the total revenues of the Colombian
A

Government exceed 40,000,000 pesos, and that whenever the customs

revenues fall below the rate of 32,000,000 pesos per annum,
payment on the next interest coupon should be deferred for
six months or until the revenues have risen above 32,000,000

pesos. Ambassador
Turbay states that during the first four
customs
months of 1940 revenues have been at the rate of 32,000,000
^

pesos per annum.

7. It is suggested that a compromise between the
positions of the Colombian Government and of Traphagen

might be effected by agreeing upon an interest rate of
3 percent for a total debt of about $50,000,000 made up

of the principal of the bonds plus 50 percent of the face
value of the arrears. This would be made more palatable
to Mr. Traphagen and the Council if the Colombian Govern-

ment could agree to give the same terms upon the approximately $10,000,000 (of which a large amount is believed to

be held by Colombian official organizations) of Federally
guaranteed mortgage bank bonds. The Colombian Ambassador

has indicated that he is not at this time authorized to
negotiate regarding the guaranteed debt.

378

June 25, 1940
2:36 p.m.

Operator:

Mr. Foley.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Ed Foley:

Yes, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:

Ed, Professor Chamberlain will be at your
office at 9:00 o'clock Monday morning.

F:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

I wish you'd have this stuff sort of briefed

for him. I mean, the various cases which

are pending on licenses and have Bernstein
F:

H.M.Jr:

Yeah.

not the cases, but the principles

involved.

F:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

Let Berney do a job for him, I mean, 80 that -you know, do a nice job for him.

F:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

And you might talk to Bell about it.

F:

All right.

H.M.Jr:
F:

Will you do that?
You bet. You're not going to do anything
about Jessup.

H.M.Jr:

No, no.

F:

No.

H.M.Jr:

No, no.

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F:

Well, that's all right because some of
his writings aren't 80 good and I think you
ought to take those into consideration before
you do anything about him.

H.M.Jr:

I'm not going to.

F:

O. K.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

F:

Thank you.

380

June 25, 1940
3:58 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Ronald
Ransom:

Hello, Mr. Secretary. How are you?

H.M.Jr:

O. K. How are you?

R:

Fine, thank you.

H.M.Jr:

Ronald, could I ask your advice confidentially
about a fellow at Atlanta by the name of

Mr. Woodruff?
R:

You certainly may. Which one is this?

H.M.Jr:

Well, this is the one who's supposed to be

R:

Robert Woodruff?

H.M.Jr:

Yeah.

R:

He is a very able young gentleman whose

H.M.Jr:

Is his father alive?

R:

His father is still living and is a director

the head of Coca-Cola.

father is one of the wealthiest men in our
section of the country.

of the Trust Company of Georgia and is a very
powerful gentleman in that organization

although I think he is retired from any
active officership. He's merely a director. He is

many times a millionaire. They made great
fortunes out of a number of things including
principally Coca-Cola.
H.M.Jr:
R:

Well, the one I think that wants to come up
here would be Robert, wouldn't it.

That's right. He is the younger one and

now the chairman of the board of the Coca-Cola
Company.

381

-2H.M.Jr:

He's chairman, is he?

R:

He's chairman of the board although he's a
young man.

H.M.Jr:

What do you call young?

R:

Well, I think Bob Woodruff must be about --

H.M.Jr:

Oh, a mere child.

R:

Mere child compared to me.

H.M.Jr:

And me.

R:

O. K. Now

H.M.Jr:

Now, how able is he on his own?

R:

under forty-five.

I rather suspect that he's quite able on
his own. He went out although the son of
a very wealt parent and made a success
out of several enterprises before he went

into what had become the family business;
namely Coca-Cola. They were the heads of
the syndicate thatNow
bought
business
from
histhat
father
-- I want
to
the

say this to you in confidence -- the old

gentleman is a dyed-in-the-wool Liberty
Leaguer.

H.M.Jr:
R:

Yeah.

He financed that enterprise and has been
always very extreme. I don't know that
young Bob Woodruff has ever taken any

particular stand politically speaking and
he is a man of character and ability and

integrity. Now just what his political

views are I don't know although I think
they would be ultra-conservative. But I
would myself have the greatest respect for
his industry and his character and his ability
as I say.

H.M.Jr:

Well, he -- but as I understand it, Bob -- when he -this Woodruff took over Coca-Cola, it wasn't

382

-3such

a

credit?
R:

big

concern. Does he get considerable

Well, I think he does deserve considerable

credit. It was a pretty big concern at the
time. It was going very well indeed, but

I think he does deserve great credit for
having pushed it along and he is quite an
energetic, dynamic and high-pressure
business executive.

H.M.Jr:
R:

And good health?

I should think he was in the best of health.
He's always impressed me as being very hale
and hearty. He gets a good deal of outdoor
exercise, he has a big plantation in Georgia
and hunts and rides a good deal. He's
quite an able man. I wouldn't have any
reservation on that ground at all.

H.M.Jr:

O. K.

R:

Does that answer your question?

H.M.Jr:

Entirely.

R:

O. K., sir.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

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June 25, 1940
4:36 p.m.

Operator:

Go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Donald

Nelson:

Hello, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:

Nelson, the reason I called you, I promised

N:

H.M.Jr:
N:

H.M.Jr:

to talk to you after McReynolds left.
Yes, sir.
And I cleared that with him.
Oh, you did.

And I didn't know that McReynolds had
asked Ed Foley to rewrite the Executive
Order which had been done over there and
which had not been done correctly by whoever

did it over there and he'd asked Foley to
rewrite, I mean, do it over. In my discussion
-- I want to tell you -- with McReynolds, I
told him I didn't think the thing would work
but inasmuch as the decision had been made

I'd go along, but I told McReynolds why I

didn't think it would work.

N:

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'd like very much to have you -to be able to talk to you about it.

Well, I'm available, but I think it's a

great mistake and I had quite a lengthy
discussion with Mac. I didn't understand -I thought they were actually giving you
authority, you see, to buy.

N:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

That was my understanding. Then when they
read me this Executive Order and I found out

that you had no authority -- were purely in
an advisory capacity. It seemed to me it

was an impossible situation.

384

-2N:

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'm very anxious to talk to you
I mean, I didn't understand that you really
had no authority, you're purely in an
advisory capacity.

N:

Yes, well, I didn't either.

H.M.Jr:

What?

N:

I say I didn't either.

H.M.Jr:

I mean, I visualized that you'd get -- the

way you described to me this morning -- you'd
get the various requirements and then you'd
buy.

N:

That's ......

H.M.Jr:

What?

N:

H.M.Jr:
N:

H.M.Jr:

Well, that's essentially right.
Well, that isn't the way it was written.
No, but it might operate that way.
True. But I did want to tell them one thing
and I only learned it after they read me
this Executive Order, you see.

N:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

You didn't know that the way it was written
did you?

N:

No, sir, I did not.

H.M.Jr:

What?

N:

H.M.Jr:
N:

No, sir, I did not.
Well, saying it to you, I wanted to let you

know how I feel about it anyway.

Well, thank you very much, Mr. Secretary.

I'd like to talk to you about it.

385

-3H.M.Jr:

Well, I'm available tomorrow.

N:

All right, sir. Thank you.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

386

June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. Hoover:

This will acknowledge receipt of the following communications which you have been good enough to send me and for which
please accept my thanks:

June 15 - Further information with regard to the purchase of aviation gasoline by a Japanese
company;

June 17 - Proposed activities of the Communist Party
in New York City;

June 18 - The "Cuban Plan" of the Communist Party;

June 19 - Negotiations for purchase of ten purse
seiners, probably for the Japanese
Government;

June 19 - Financial activities of the Banca Credito
Italiana of New York City; given to Mr. saston 9/19/90
June 20 - Bendix Products Division, Bendix Aviation
Corporation;

June 20 - Attitude of the Communist Party towards
its members joining the armed forces of
the United States in event of war;
June 20 - American Potash Chemical Company, Trona,

California.

Yours sincerely,
(Signed) E. Worgenthan.

Mr. J. Edgar Hoover,
Director,

Federal Bureau of Investigation,

Washington, D.C.

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387

June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. Hoover:

This will acknowledge receipt of the following communi-

cations which you have been good enough to send me and for which
please accept my thanks:

June 15 - Further information with regard to the purchase of aviation gasoline by a Japanese
company;

June 17 - Proposed activities of the Communist Party
in New York City;

June 18 - The "Cuban Plan" of the Communist Party;

June 19 - Negotiations for purchase of ten purse
seiners, probably for the Japanese
Government;

June 19 - Financial activities of the Banca Credito
Italiana of New York City;
June 20 - Bendix Products Division, Bendix Aviation
Corporation;

June 20 - Attitude of the Communist Party towards
its members joining the armed forces of
the United States In event of war;
June 20 - American Potash Chemical Company, Trone,

California.

Yours sincerely,
(Signed)

Mr. J. Edgar Hoover,
Director,

Federal Bureau of Investigation,

Washington, D.C.

a

388

June 25, 1940

My dear Mr. Hoover:

This will acknowledge receipt of the following communications which you have been good enough to send me and for which
please accept my thanks:

June 15 - Further information with regard to the purchase of aviation gasoline by a Japanese
company;

June 17 - Proposed activities of the Communist Party
in New York City;
June 18 - The "Cuban Plan" of the Communist Party;

June 19 - Negotiations for purchase of ten purse
seiners, probably for the Japanese
Government;

June 19 - Financial activities of the Banca Credito
Italiana of New York City;
June 20 - Bendix Products Division, Bendix Aviation
Corporation;

June 20 - Attitude of the Communist Party towards
its members joining the armed forces of
the United States in event of war;
June 20 - American Potash Chemical Company, Trona,

California.

Yours sincerely,
(Segned) a Morgathan Jr.

Mr. J. Edgar Hoover,
Director,

Federal Bureau of Investigation,

Washington, D.C.

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER

389

DIRECTOR

Federal Surran of Investigation
Mutted States Department of Justice
Washington, B. C.
June 15, 1940

M

PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

Reference is made to my letter dated
June 10, 1940, with which I transmitted a memorandum dated June 8, 1940, containing informa-

tion with regard to the purchase of aviation

gasoline by a Japanese company, allegedly for
the use of the Japanese Navy.

I am transmitting herewith a copy of
a memorandum dated June 15, 1940, which contains

complete information developed by this Bureau
to date concerning the same subject matter.
Sincerely yours,

Enclosure

d e you spower

390

June 15, 1940

MEMORANDUM
Information was obtained from Mr. W. E. Logan, tax

attorney, Searritt Building, Kansas City, Missouri, to the effect
that he was recently engaged by the Hess 011 Company, Kansas City,

Missouri, to purchase one million gallons of aviation gasoline
per month for the Taiyo Sekiyu Kaisha, Limited, of Tokyo, Japan,
on a contract covering a period of one year with the provision
that at the end of the first twelve months the contract may be renewed for an additional period of twenty-four months. At the time
Mr. Logan was engaged by the Hess 011 Company in this matter, it
was his understanding as well as the understanding of the Hess
011 Company that the above gasoline was being purchased by the

Taiyo Sekiyu Kaisha, Limited, for the use of the Japanese Navy.
Mr. Logan advises that he has made arrangements through the
Phillips Petroleum Company and the Gulf 011 Company to purchase
the gasoline.

It is reported that Shoji Matsusaki and one Yamnaguchi,
first name unknown, representatives of the Taiyo Sekiyu Kaisha,
Limited, arrived in Les Angeles, California, from Tokyo, Japan,
about April 30, 1940, and contacted an attorney by the name of
Milton Cohen with reference to the purchase of this gasoline.
Cohen then contacted the Hess 011 Company at Kansas City, Missouri,

which in turn contacted Mr. Logan for the purpose of making arrangements with American companies to purchase the gasoline.
On about June 6, 1940, Mr. Logan obtained information
through the Hess 011 Company at Kansas City, Missouri, to the

effect that one Perry P. Schults is associated in this deal with
Yannaguchi and Shoji Matsusaki. It is reported that Schults is
possibly a German agent and that the German government is the

real purchaser of this gasoline.

Mr. Logan indicates that the present plan is to assemble

this gasoline in tank cars at Houston, Texas, where it will be

transferred to drums and then placed aboard a ship bound for
Japan, presumably a Japanese freighter, at the rate of twenty
thousand drums per month.

-2It is reported that Perry P. Schults has lived in Japan
for many years and that he recently was admitted to the staff of

the Taiyo Sekiyu Kaisha, Limited, which company allegedly has a

branch office in Les Angeles, California, known as the Taiyo or

Taijo Company, which has apparently been listed in the Les Angeles

telephone directory for the past six months only. It is also re-

ported that Perry P. Schults has a brother, name unknown, who is

a resident of Los Angeles, California.

Mr. W. E. Logan advises that a communication was addressed to a Mr. Blodgett of the Hess 011 Company containing

information to the effect that Perry P. Schults passed through
Kansas City, Missouri, via airplane on about June 1, 1940, en
route to Detroit, Michigan, for the purpose of purchasing a
Chrysler automobile from the Chrysler Motor Company for his

brother in Los Angeles, California. Perry P. Schults, after

purchasing the automobile, was then to proceed to Pittsburgh,

Pennsylvania, where he was to contact Yannaguohi and Shoji

Matsusaki, as previously arranged, at the William Penn Hotel.
It is believed that Schults, Yamnaguchi and Matsusaki contacted
Mr. H. R. Hammorle of the Gulf 011 Company, Pittsburgh, Permaylvania,

during the past week for the purpose of placing a large order for
lubricating oil, which is a separate deal from the one they are
presently negotiating with Mr. Logan concerning the purchase of
the aviation gasoline.

It is further reported that $500,000 in cash is on

deposit in the Yokohama Specie Bank in San Francisco as collateral

for the letter of credit of the Taiyo Sekiyu Kaisha, Limited, and
that this amount will pay for at least a three months' supply of

the gasoline to be purchased under the proposed contract. Mr.

Logan, who was engaged in this matter by the Hess 011 Company at

Kansas City, Missouri, reportedly contacted Major Billy Parker,

Manager of the Aviation Department, Phillips Petroleum Company,
Bartlesville, Oklahoma, by telephone and corresponded with Mr.
H. R. Hammerle of the Gulf 011 Company, completing arrangements
for the delivery of the gasoline whenever Yamnaguchi, Matsusald and

Schults arrive in Kansas City to close the deal.

Investigation was subsequently conducted by the Pitte-

burgh office of this Bureau and it was ascertained that Perry P.
Schults and Shoji Matsusaki registered at the William Penn Hotel,
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on June 1, 1940, and checked out on

June 5, 1940. Perry P. Schults, upon registering at the hotel,

392

-3gave his address as 752 North Heliotrope, Lee Angeles, California.
There was no forwarding address for Shoji Mateusaki.
An examination of the records of the Federal Reserve
Bank of San Francisco, California, by the San Francisco office

of this Bureau discloses a telegraphic transfer of $500,000 on
April 27, 1940, by the Guaranty Trust Company of New York through
the Federal Reserve Banks of New York and San Francisco. This
transfer was made to the Bank of California at San Francisco,
California, for the account of the Telcohama Specie Bank of San
Francisco upon the order of the Telcohama Specie Bank of New York.

This transaction has not as yet been identified with the Taiyo
Sekiyu Kaisha, Limited, but full details concerning same will
be obtained at a later date.
Mr. James Francis Drake, President of the Gulf 011
Company, and Mr. H. R. Hanmorie of the Expert Division of the
same company, were interviewed by Special Agents of the Pitte-

burgh office of this Bureau concerning the true identity of

Perry P. Schults, and they advised that his business address
is Perry P. Schults and Company, 1310 Park Central Building,
care of Mark Grimes, Les Angeles, California, and that his
Japanese address is Post office Box 395, Kobe, Japan. They
identify Shej1 Mateusaki as being the General Manager of Taiyo
Sekiyu Kaisha, Limited, oil importers, Kaga Building, Edobashi
Mihonbashi-Kn, Tokyo, Japan. Mr. Hanmorle advises that the
purpose of the visit of Schults and Mateusaki was in order to
eliminate one Frederick Edward Broad as a middleman and to effect
arrangements for the purchase of Ison-Octans aviation gaseline and

lubricating oil direct in the future. Mr. Hammorle further as

vises that arrangements were made for the elimination of Broad
as a middleman but that no sale concerning the gasoline was made

nor has any tentative sale been arranged for the future. He

described Mr. Broad as being an independent English manufacturer's
agent handling Gulf 011 products since 1936 on a commission basis
amounting to one cent per gallon, which commission he split with
Taiyo Sekdyn Kaisha, Limited, for this company's influence in

obtaining contracts to sell to the Japanese Havy. Mr. Drake
advises that the last delivery to Mr. Broad for the use of the

Japanese was made on January 16, 1940, and that complete reports

of all sales to Japan are contained in a letter which was trans-

mitted to Mr. Joseph C. Green, Department of State, Washington,

D. C., on January 2, 1940. Mr. Drake likewise advises that all

393

-4sales since January 16, 1940, have been made to domestic consumers

and France, which absorbed the company's total annual output.

Mr. Hammorle further states that their first inquiry
relative to the purchase of gasoline and lubricating oil was made
by an attorney in Kansas City, Missouri, but after ascertaining
that these products were intended for shipment to Japan, he as
vised the attorney that he was unable to supply the quantity of
gaseline and oil requested. This statement will be confirmed by
a check of the Gulf 011 Company's correspondence file at the
invitation of Mr. Drain, who appears most cooperative.
Mr. Drake and Mr. Hammarls both state that Yannagushi
is unknown to them and also state that Perry P. Schults and Shoji
Mateusaki were unaccompanied while in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
According to Mr. Hannorie, Perry P. Schults and Shoji Mateusaki
are proceeding to the World's Fair in New York City, New York,
apparently in the new Chrysler automobile which Schults was

driving while in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Mr. W. E. Legan, the original informant in this matter,
has agreed to cooperate with this Bureau to the fullest extent

possible but requests that his identity be kept strictly confidential.

394

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER
DIRECTOR

Federal Sureau of Investigation
Knited States Department of Justice
Washington, B. C.
June 17, 1940
PERSONAL AND
CONFIDENTIAL

y

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury

Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

There is being transmitted to you herewith, as of possible interest, a memorandum incorporating information recently received from
a confidential source concerning proposed active
ities of the Communist Party in New York City.
Sincerely yours,

Enclosure

J edgan Hoover

395

June 15, 1940
MEMORANDUM

Joseph Brodsky has issued orders for Herbert Benjamin to return immediately to New York City and take up the
handling of party activities among the unemployed.

It is stated that Israel Amter has become a "weak
sister" and that Brodsky has arranged to have Herbert Benjamin, William Dunn, Carl Reeve and Sam Don, constitute a

committee that will, on the quiet, direct the other commit-

tees which have been formed to keep New York City in a state

of continuous strife. It is said that this Committee at the
suggestion of Carl Reeve is planning to call a city-wide strike
of all relief workers in every class. This committee has been
meeting secretly in the home of Osmond K. Fraenkel, 25 West

11th Street, New York City and has also met in the office of
the National Committee for the Defense of Political Prisoners,

Room 534, 156 -5th Avenue, New York City.

OHN EDGAR HOOVER

396

DIRECTOR

Federal Murrau of Investigation
Antted States Department of Justice
Washington, B. a.
June 18, 1940

M
PERSONAL AND

CONFIDENTIAL

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

There is being transmitted to you herewith,
as of possible interest, a memorandum incorporating
information recently received from a confidential
source relative to the so-called "Cuban Plan" of the
Communist Party.

Sincerely yours,

Enclosure
BY SPECIAL MESSENGER

J expan Hoover

397

June 17, 1940

MEMORANDUM
Some years ago the Communist Party in the United States

laid out a program whereby all maritime unions in all countries of
the Western Hemisphere would be united in one big federation under
Communist Party domination.

Several conferences were held on this matter but the program

finally had to be deferred because it was found that the majority of

the maritime unions in the Americas did not have Communist Party members as "key men" in these unions and consequently could not control

the activities of the majority of them. However, for the past two

years the Communist Party, U.S.A., has managed to obtain almost com-

plete control of all the maritime unions in the United States and has
placed "key men" in strategic positions in all other maritime unions
of Central and South American countries and in the West Indies. As a
result of this, the original program of one large Communist federation of maritime unions has been revived. The skeleton staffs have
been set up at various strategic South and North American ports and

in the West Indies as nuclei for the accomplishment of the details of
the program.

The tentative headquarters in this vast scheme is in Havana,
Cuba, and the temporary head of the "Cuban Plan" is one Eddie Gordon,
a graduate of the Communist Party Marine Training School in New York
State. Gordon is also a graduate of the Communist Party Latin American School. He was sent from New York by the Communist officials of
the National Maritime Union ostensibly as advertising agent for the
Union's newspaper "The Pilot". This, however, was simply a blind
inasmuch as "The Pilot" carries only about six Cuban advertisements

and there is obviously no necessity for the designation of a person to
supervise this amount of advertising, particularly in view of the fact
that the same advertisements are continuously appearing in the periodical,
Gordon is the head of the "transmission belt" for the Americas.
He handles all Communist Party confidential documents and moneys which
are relayed to him from New York, European ports, Rio de Janeiro, Caracas,

Kingston (Jamaica), the Port of Spain (Trinidad), the Canal Zone, and

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Vera Cruz, but when the Communist Party desires to carry out some
program in which more than one country is involved, the regular

channels such as the mails or telegraph are not utilized for the
transmission of confidential messages or the funds necessary to

carry out these programs. Having complete control of the Seamen's

Union in this country, the Party simply plants one of its "key men"
on a ship and he acts as a courier. In this manner the Party's
program in the Americas is put into operation with a minimum of
danger of the plans coming to the attention of the authorities.
As Havana, Ouba, is a central point at which most passenger and
freight vessels call during North and South American voyages, it
can be readily understood why this port is at present used as a

focal point for Communist Party activities.

Gordon is also being used at present as a means to assist
international Communist personages on their way to Mexico where
the Party is now concentrating large numbers of "key men", guns
and ammunition to assist it in carrying the coming Mexican election.
George Mink, one of the gunmen who recently attempted to assassinate
Trotsky, made his way into Mexico with Gordon's assistance.

Gordon is also given the task of reporting to the Communist
Party, U.S.A., all political and economic data pertaining to labor
conditions in the West Indies so that the Party may be in a position
to take charge of any situation arising in Jamaica, Trinidad and
other points, by fomenting trouble among the workers on these islands.
Specific examples of this were the prolonged strikes of the past two
years in both Trinidad and Kingston. Gordon has also tied in his
activities in this instance with those of John Rogan, who was sent
by Harry Bridges to Puerto Rico to establish a Communist Party nucleus
and foment trouble among the Puerto Rican workers.

Gordon also has the responsibility of arranging for the
transposition of this entire setup to Mexico in the event the Communist Party is successful in electing its candidate in the coming Mexican

election.

A conference attended by leading members of the Communist

Party was recently held in Havana, Cuba. Also present at this meeting
was Joseph Curran, head of the National Maritime Union. The purpose
of this conference was to speed up the establishment of a "Ouban Plan"

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inasmuch as the Party believes the time element is essential due to
the international situation created by the war. The Communist Party

now feels that if it can entrench itself in the Americas through
this plan, it will be in a strategic position in the event the United
States is drawn into the world conflict, since it will have "key men"
in all seaports from Rio de Janeiro to New York City and in control
of maritime labor in Mexico which will make possible extensive sabo-

tage operations.

As an example of the possibilities which may follow the
complete use of the "Cuban Plan", it is noted that in January, 1940,
a conference of the Communist Party leaders, including the leaders
of the Maritime Communists, was held in New York City and it was decided that wherever possible shipments of war material to the Allies
must be sabotaged. Shortly after this the S.S. PANAMANIA was mysteriously sunk at her dock in Baltimore. There are reasons for believing
this sinking was a Communist Party inspired act.

JOHN GOGAR HOOVER

400

DIRECTOR

Federal Surran of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Washington, D. C.
June 19, 1940

PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL
BY SPECIAL MESSENGER

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury

M

Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

Information was obtained from a confidential
source to the effect that one John Joseph Callaghan and

an individual by the name of Castenelli, first name un-

known, have entered into a brokerage business in San Francisco, California, and are reported as making arrangements

with one Tibbitts, of the Mitsubishi Company, for the purchase of ten purse seiners at the cost of approximately

$40,000 to $50,000 each.

It is reported that the seiners average approximately 100 tons and allegedly have a top speed of 11 to
12 knots, and an average cruising speed of 8 knots. Among
the vessels mentioned as possibilities in the transaction

are the "Vivian A.", formerly the "J. A. Martinolich"; the
oil screw "Oregon": and the "Olympic II", formerly the
"Star of France. It is believed these latter two boats
are intended for reduction plants for the purse seiners.
The above information is being brought to your

attention, inasmuch as it is confidentially reported there

is a possibility that the Mitsubishi Company may be acting
on behalf of the Japanese Government. In the event this
Bureau receives any additional information concerning this
matter, same will be furnished you immediately.
The above data are being transmitted also to

Honorable Adolf A. Berle, Jr., Assistant Secretary of State,
and to the Offices of Naval and Military Intelligence.
Sincerely yours,

I edgan Hoover

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER
DIRECTOR

401
Federal Surean of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Washington, B. C.
June 20, 1940

my

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I am transmitting herewith as of possible
interest a statement dated June 19, 1940, containing
information with regard to conditions at the Bendix
Products Division, Bendix Aviation Corporation, South
Bend, Indiana.

Investigative activity is being conducted
with regard to the allegations regarding sabotage
at this Plant and you will be advised subsequently
with reference to the results obtained in connection
therewith.

Sincerely yours,

Enclosure
PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL
BY SPECIAL MESSENGER

Jackson

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER
DIRECTOR

Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Mashington, D.C
June 19, 1940

RE: BENDIX PRODUCTS DIVISION
BENDIX AVIATION CORPORATION
SOUTH BEND, INDIANA

Information has been received from Mr. D. O. Thomas,
Vice President of Bendix Aviation Corporation and General
Manager of the Bendix Products Division of Bendix Aviation
Corporation, and Mr. M. A. Heidt, also of Bendix Products
Division, that some months ago a number of aviation injectors
or carburetors, after flow bench inspection, were discovered

to contain quantities of cast iron filings. These officials

furnished additional information to the effect that upon

other occasions open match heads have been discovered on the

concrete floor of the South Bend, Indiana Plant of this

being on a to the

corporation, such match heads, when discovered, usually being
located under devices and mechanisms wherein operations were

possibility

Communist
recently
demonstrated an cause a strike and
that a

industrial
that
on
Monday, organised
carried May These element strife 13, of officials combustion 1940, apparent of at among this the hasardous the intention have C.I.O., Plant. and Plant advised, explosion. nature which It employees to is however, wi controls reported th has regard

labor at the South Bend, Indiana Bendix Plant, held a meeting
for the purpose of discussing a proposed strike and, according
to information furnished by Mr. Heidt, union members attending
this meeting were informed that the Federal Government would

not in any way interfere with a strike) further, that the

Federal Government is in dire need of the products being
manufactured by the Bendix Plant for which reason company

officials could not afford to oppose the labor union demands
including a fifteen cent per hour increase in wages.

The above-named officials have advised that during
recent weeks a noticeable "slowdown" in the production of

truck carburetors destined for ultimate use by Federal

Government Agencies and Departments has occurred, this being
accompanied by a corresponding "slowdown" in operations

within the Plant generally.

402

403

-2Mr. Thomas and Mr. Heidt have advised that a "very radical Communist element" apparently controls labor union activities

at the Bendix Plant, adding that the air is virtually filled

with assertions that no "implements of destruction will be made
for anyone for any purpose."

Information has been received that a Labor Conciliator
employed by the U. S. Department of Labor has indicated that
the Bendix Corporation is presently paying a scale of wages
as high as any paid in this field, and that a demand for a
fifteen cent per hour increase under the circumstances is ridicu-

lous.

Information has been received that the last mentioned

official has indicated that responsible officials of the

C.I.O. are apparently indisposed to restrain the "agitators"
presently active in the South Bend, Indiana Bendix Plant.
Officials of the Bendix Aviation Corporation at South

Bend, Indiana have definitely indicated that labor difficulties
are anticipated at this Plant within the very near future,

possibly within the next several weeks.

404

June 25, 1940
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Pacific Coast Shipping Situation
The Pacific Coast freight and charter market, continuing to react
to the steady reduction of buying power in all parts of the world, sunk
further into the war depression last week. With all Europe cut off
from anything but controlled trade and with the surplusage of ships
available for hire, charterers ideas for space was declining rapidly.
The need for space was declining because the demand for supplies in all
parts of the world was declining.

The Pacific area, one of the few peaceful trading regions left,
was softer. A charter for a full load of scrap to Japan was reported closed
at $14.25 f.i.o., but by the close of the week it was not expected that
much would be paid for new business. Owners' ideas were running to $14

or lower. The berth lines were still able to handle most all of the cargo
offerings, and they were quoting scrap rates on a nominal basis at $15
for rails and $16 for melting. General cargo was slack. The demand for
case oil in Kosichang had subsided, and whatever was offering could be
handled easily by the berth carriers. For a while the case oil movement

to the Orient was a feature of the market. Adding to the difficulties

war-risk insurance rates in the Pacific were increased sharply.

The Australian range remained weak because of the strict
licensing system imposed by the Commonwealth Government. Lumber, mainstay

cargo in this trade, was being quoted at $30 and inquiry was exceedingly
dull. General cargo was even worse.

The intercoastal trade was slightly less active than the week

previous. This market, although not subject to the full effect of the

war, was, nevertheless, easing off slowly. The lines were able to handle
not only the general cargo but most of the lumber shipments as well.
Any addition of tonnage to the trade would more than take care of today's
requirements.

The time charter market was following the downward course it
started several weeks back. The few charters fixed had been done at
$3.75 but observers were wondering if $3.50 could be obtained late last
week. Eastern brokers, who for months have been demanding ships, were
said to be making inquiry as to the placing the ships they now have on
hand.

Dail havis

405

GRAY

RAW

Paris
(Bordeaux)

Dated June 25, 1940.

Rec'd. 4:31 a.m., 28th.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

94, June 25, 5 p.m.
FOR THE TREASURY FROM MATTHEWS.

A decree in yesterday's Journal Official (now pub-

lished at Pau) suspends for all of France, Algeria, and
the colonies the decrees of May 20 requiring delivery of

foreign currencies gold (and all?) foreign securities
(including dollar securities).
BIDDLE

RR

406
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

JUNE 25 1940.

Shipping Situation.

Report of June 14th indicated a decline in the cars
of export freight loaded on lighters to approximately 700 cars
per day, following dislocation due to closing of the Mediterranean.
There has been a pick-up this week, the average per day
running about 900.

Export freight on hand awaiting lighterage delivery
numbered 4,000 cars on June 20th. The export freight in railroad
storage facilities totaled 5192 cars against available capacity of
10,553 cars.

Lighters containing export freight alongside ships and
steamship terminals on demurrage in excess of 48 hours on June 20th
numbered 82.

The grain situation at the Port of New York is unchanged,

the quantity in elevators, railroad cars and boats still running
around one million bushels.
Carloadings during the week ending June 15th registered

another increase and a new high for 1940. Out of an increase of
approximately 10,000 cars over the preceding week, miscellaneous

freight accounted for 6400 cars of the gain.
Even if the British do not take over and the French steel

orders should be canceled in their entirety, the effect is not expected
to be felt to any great extent so far as the steel industry is concerned
as its output is running at the rate of 1,000,000 tons per week.

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-2June 21, 1940.

Next to the movement of surplus army supplies, the

most interesting development has been the materialization of the
purchase of 20,000,000 pounds of American lard by the British.
Packers are actively seeking ships' space for July movement from

other than British Ministry lines.
On the 14th it was reported that an American ship had
been fixed for coal, Hampton Roads to Lisbon at $11.25 per ton.

The American Export Lines chartered two of their freighters in this
trade at $10.00.
There have been no net form charters reported in recent

weeks and time charter and full cargo rates generally continue to
decline.

The Norwegians continue to ask $4.50 for West Indies trade

but a small Estonian ship is reported to have taken $3.00 for a
three months period.

Bani Karris

408
PLAIN

RAW

London

Dated June 25, 1940.

Rec'd. 1:45 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1832, June 25.
FOR TREASURY FROM BUTTERYORTH.

1. Although Brazil announced the signing of an
Anglo-Brazilian payments agreement, in fact the text of
such an arrangement has not been drafted in final form
and has not been signed. It has, however, been agreed

upon in principle and will be similar in type to the
Anglo-Swedish payments agreement. But in order to

facilitate operations the special account mechanism provided under the Treasury Order reported in my No. 1525

of June 6 has been put into operation and the relevant
orders issued accordingly in terms identical with those
of S.R. & O. Nos. 894 and 895 forwarded with despatches
Nos. 5388 of June 10 and 5403 of June 13.

2. Banks have today been notified that French refugees are called upon to produce and declare their total
French note holdings to an authorized dealer. By a system
of registration slips showing total amount produced,
refugees may sell to authorized dealers up to a maximum
of 620 per WEEK per person at 176 3/4, Each purchase
being

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being entered on the slip. Authorized dealers are also

instructed to supply to the Bank of England lists of
names and amounts registered. Similar instructions respecting Belgian refugees WERE issued on June 12, but
with amounts Encashable limited to L10 per WEEK, as re-

ported in paragraph 5 of my No. 1651 of June 14.
3. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was asked in the
House of Commons today whether in view of the fact that

many parents are anxious to send their children to a
British Dominion or the United States at their own EXpense and are prevented from doing so by the impossibility
of sending funds abroad to COVER the cost; he would, in
order to encourage such Evocuation, consider a scheme

whereby the Government of the receiving country could be
asked to advance on loan the cost of the children's
maintenance, the parents simultaneously paying the cost

into a trust fund in this country out of which the loan
could be Eventually repaid. Sir Kingsley Wood stated that
he could not answer the question in the affirmative.
KENNEDY

ALC

410
JUN 25 1940

Dear Hr. Services

I - emiling you herewith . engy of a letter and amortian

regesting milread freight - for export which have been
formation to Mr. Dull.
Sincerely,

(Signed) H. Monewathan.Jr

No. W. 4.

The Minisury Demicates to the Council
of National Defense,
Boom are Residious Building.
Weshington, D. C.

Inclosures

00 of letter to Mr. Budd and
Mr. Haas' memo re railroad freight

movement for export dated June 19,1940.

-

00 to Mr. Thompson

chare

FILE COPY

By Messenger 9"m6/26

411

JUN 25 1940

Dear Mr. Build:

In accordance with our conversation, I am sending you herewith

copy of our latest weekly report on railroad freight movement for
expert through certain North Atlantic porte, covering the week ending

a

June 15. and preceding weeks since the beginning of the year.

For the Port of New York, data on receipts of railread freight
for expert and the lighterage freight in storage and ea hand for us-

leading, are received each day from the General Managers' Association
of New York in the "Daily Report of Operating Conditions in New York

Harbor." A copy of one of these reports is enclosed. From this isformation an approximate figure of the weekly experts from New York
is compiled.

For nine other North Atlantic ports, bi-weekly data on receipts
of railroad freight for expert are received from the Car Service
Division of the Association of American Railroads in the "Report of
Carload Freight for Expert and Coastal Vessel Movement." The ports
included are Searsport, Pertland, Boston, Providence, Philadelphia,
Chester, Wilmington (Delaware), Baltimore, and Merfolk (or Hampton

Reads). These perts were selected to cover chiefly industrial rather
than agricultural products.
memorandum like that enclosed is prepared each Wednesday, sum- to

A developments during the preceding week. I shall be glad
marising send you a copy of this memoranium each week, or to leave the whichever as-

sembling and analysis of the data entirely is your hands,
best to serve your needs. If you wish further information
about seems the figures you may get is touch with Mr. George C. Hase,

Director of Research and Statistics in the Treasury Department.
Sincerely,
Signed H. Morgenthau Jr.

Mr. Ralph Budd, Commissioner,

The Advisory Commission to the Counsel
of National Defense,
Room 2052, Federal Reserve Building,
Washington, D. 0.

since

cc to Mr. Thompson

Enclosures Kr. Haas' memo re railroad freight movement for
export dated June 19 1940
By Messeneer 900 on 6/26
am

AMERICA 6/24/40

FILE COPY

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Office of the Secretary
Secret Service Division

412

MEMORANDUM

a capy of this has
been placed on the

dest
of
Dr
Viner,
Room 196 I

JSP

413

June 25, 1940

To the Secretary

From Chief, U. S. Secret Service
The Chief Chemist, Internal Revenue Bureau, suggests that
any of the following chemicals might be used and that they are

likely to be available at Wholesale Drug concerns, or in the
laboratory of a College or University:

Fuchfine - 1%; balance water; if color appears to be
too deep modify solution.
Rosaniline hydrochloride - 1% solution.
Menthyl Orange - 1% solution.

He states that about ten pounds of any of the above should
make about 100 gallons or more if a very deep color is not desired.

He states that if above are not available and red wine is
available that the dry wine should be used and not to dilute the
wine.

The Bureau of Standards suggests the use of an oil soluble
dye, preferably Oil Orange or Oil Dye. This should preferably
be mixed with carbontetra chloride (non-inflammable) using about
one-tenth of one per cent of the Oil Orange or 011 Dye. Carbontetra chloride is used commonly in dry cleaning establishments.
If carbontetra chloride is not available use ordinary Dry Cleaners'

Natptha. The oil dyes will dry very fast and will penetrate
better than a water dye. About one pound of oil dye will make
100 gallons of dye. If envelopes are sealed the use of oil dyes
will not unseal the envelopes as quickly as a water dye.
They also suggest that any of the following may be used:
Menthyl violet
Crystal violet
Gentian violet
Congo red

Malachite green

Menthyline blue

414

-2-

If any of these six are used it is suggested that they be

dissolved in alcohol, using about one-tenth - of a pound of the
dye for 100 gallons. The alcohol dye will not be apt to cause
envelopes to open up. These dyes should be available at wholesale drug houses or at university or college laboratories.

7902

415

June 25, 1940

To the Secretary

From Chief, U. S. Secret Service
The Chief Chemist, Internal Revenue Bureau, suggests that
any of the following chemicals might be used and that they are
likely to be available at Wholesale Drug concerns, or in the
laboratory of a College or University:
&

Fuchfine - 1%; balance water; if color appears to be
too deep modify solution.

Rosaniline hydrochloride - 1$ solution.
Menthyl Orange - 18 solution.

He states that about ten pounds of any of the above should
make about 100 gallons or more if a very deep color is not desired.

He states that if above are not available and red wine is
available that the dry wine should be used and not to dilute the

wine.

The Bureau of Standards suggests the use of an oil soluble
dye, preferably 011 Orange or 011 Dye. This should preferably
be mixed with carbontetra chloride (non-inflammable) using about
one-tenth of one per cent of the 011 Orange or Oil Dye. Carbontetra chloride is used commonly in dry cleaning establishments.
If carbontetra chloride is not available use ordinary Dry Cleaners'

Natptha. The oil dyes will dry very fast and will penetrate
better than a water dye. About one pound of oil dye will make
100 gallons of dye. If envelopes are sealed the use of oil dyes
will not unseal the envelopes as quickly as a water dye.
They also suggest that any of the following may be used:
Menthyl violet
Crystal violet
Gentian violet
Congo red

Malachite green

Menthyline blue

-2.

If any of these six are used it is suggested that they be
dissolved in alcohol, using about one-tenth of a pound of the
dye for 100 gallons. The alcohol dye will not be apt to cause
envelopes to open up. These dyes should be available at wholesale drug houses or at university or college laboratories.

416

417

June 25. 1940.

My dear Colonel Yards

I have your letter of June 21st
which deals with the subject of our
recent conversation in regard to sub-

versive activities in Mexico. I

appreciate your giving no the infornation which the letter contained.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr

Lieutement Colonel Orlando Ward,

Lt. Col., General Staff,
Secretary, General Staff.
Yar Department,
Washington, D. 0.
OKFIVER

418

June as. 1940.

Ny dear Colonel Yards

I have your letter of June 21st
which deals with the subject of our
recent conversation in regard to sub-

versive activities is Mexico. I

appreciate your giving me the informotion which the letter contained.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H.

Moutement Colonel Orlando Ward,

-

LO. Gol.. General Staff.
Secretary. General Staff,
Year Department.

Weshington, B. a.

419
June 26. 1940.

Ny dear Colonel Yards

I have your letter of June 21st
which deals with the subject of our
resent conversation in regard to sub-

versive activities in Mexico. I

appreciate your giving me the infornation which the letter contained.
Sincerely,

(Signed) H. Moreonthan. fr

Montement Colonel Orlendo Ward,

L.O. Gol.. General Staff.
Secretary, General Staff.
Year Department,

Washington, D. 0.

420
WAR DEPARTMENT

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF
WASHINGTON, D.C.

JUN 21 1940

The Honorable,

The Secretary of The Treasury.
Dear Mr. Secretary:

Respecting our conversation of yesterday regarding
Mexico, my information is as follows:

Voluminous detailed information is being received daily

as to irregular activities of individuals and groups in Mexico,
most of which can neither be refuted nor confirmed. Overlaying
chronic Mexican instability, the existence of active agencies of
propaganda, espionage and potential sabotage, primarily of communist and German instigation, is well established. The menace

to the United States from these agencies is difficult to assess.

The objectives of the different subversive groups are confused

and varied. While creating internal chaos, the activities often
automatically tend to neutralize each other in their resultant

danger to the United States. Unquestionably many of the more
alarming reports are proved by investigation and passage of time
to be without foundation.
The recent stiffening of the Mexican Government's attitude toward fifth column activities has tended to undermine Nazi

plans. However, Germany will not relax her efforts in this strategic center directed primarily against the United States. The
organization will continue to operate under cover, but its effectiveness will be in inverse ratio to the sincerity of the Mexican
Government, which in turn will be most influenced by the internal
strength of the United States and the firmly constructive attitude
of our Government in its dealings with Mexico.

Faithfully yours,

Ohief
ORLANDO WARD

Et. Col. General Staff
Secretary, General Staff

421
PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Embassy, (Paris) Bordeaux

DATE: June 25, 1940, 7 p.m.
REC'D 2:40 a.m., 28th.

NO.: 95

FOR THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT FROM MATTHEWS.

I have been asked by the Bank of France to telegraph
the following to you:
The Bank of France on the eighteenth of June sent a
cable to the New York Federal Reserve Bank to transfer

from (?) bullion account of the Bank of France, "approximately
311,000 ounces of fine gold" to the account of the Swiss
National Bank. By the twentieth of June no advice of
this transfer had been received by the Swiss National
Bank, and on that date the Bank of France again cabled
the Federal Reserve. Governor Fournier of the Bank of

France would greatly appreciate your assistance in

arranging the transfer or in obtaining some explanation
from the Federal Reserve, since this transfer is in exchange
for Swiss gold which was accepted here and which the Bank

of France has since shipped out of France, and the Swiss
Bank is hammering at the Bank of France for confirmation

of the transfer.
Reference is made to my telegram No. 94: I am told
by Cariguel that the suspension therein mentioned was
necessary

422

-2necessary because of the physical impossibility of
requiring the deposit under the present circumstances and

the inability of the private banks to accept responsibility
for the currency, gold or securities delivered to them
&

now.

(c)

BIDDLE.

EA:LWW

TIONS TO

423

SECRETARY OF STATE

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

In reply refer to

EA 856D. 5151/6

25.

1940

The Secretary of State presents his compliments

to the Honorable the Secretary of the Treasury and
encloses a copy of note no. 5032, dated June 18, 1940,
from the Netherlands Minister at Washington regarding

arrangements establishing the official rate of exchange
of the Netherlands Indies Guilder to the Pound Sterling,
and similar arrangements in relation to the currencies
of the Netherlands West Indies.
Copies of the enclosure have also been sent to the
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and
the Department of Commerce.

Enclosure:

From Netherlands Minister,
no. 5032, June 18, 1940.

!
BWD

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COPY:

424

ROTAL NETHERLANDS LEGATION

Washington, D. 10, 1940

No. 6032

ss

Sir,

I have the honor to inform you that I - in receipt
of a telegram from my Government stating that on June
13th a tripartite monetary agreement was signed between
the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and France, estab-

lishing the official rate of exchange of the Netherlands
Indies Guilder to the Pound Sterling at 7.60. The
telegram added that arrangements have also been made to

cover, on the same basis, the relations with the our
Fencies of the Netherlands West Indies.

I should feel obliged if you would have the above
communicated to the appropriate United States authori-

ties.
Please accept, Sir, the renewed assurances of my

highest consideration.
A. LOUDON

The Honorable

the Secretary of State,
Washington, D. G.

425

June 25, 1940.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

For the Secretary of the Treasury I am
writing to acknowledge receipt of Secretary Edison's
letter of June 21, 1940, recommending consideration

of the desirability of establishing dirigible
airship services to the Coasts of South America.
Secretary Morgenthau has noted this sug-

gestion with interest and it will have his careful
consideration.
Sincerely yours,
(Signed) Herbert E. Gaston

Herbert E. Gaston

Assistant Secretary of the Treasury

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Navy.

426

June 25, 1940.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

For the Secretary of the Treasury I am
writing to acknowledge receipt of Secretary Edison's
letter of June 21, 1940, recommending consideration

of the desirability of establishing dirigible
airship services to the Coasts of South America.
Secretary Morgenthau has noted this sug-

gestion with interest and it will have his careful
consideration.
Sincerely yours,

(Signed) Herbert E. Guston

Herbert E. Gaston

Assistant Secretary of the Treasury

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Navy.

TO: Mr. Gaston 415

427'

O

Lt Onskey sayo
the Secretary wants

you to bring up
the attached letter
in Group meeting
tomorrow morning

melk.

From: Mr. GASTON

428
THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
WASHINGTON

June 21, 1940

My dear Mr. Secretary:

In connection with current consideration of the strengthening of trade ties with the Americas, I wish to recommend for

careful consideration the desirability of establishing, either
private auspices, transportation services to the East and/or
West Coasts of South America by airship (dirigible) to supplement existing steamship and airplane services in that field.
The technical and economic feasibility of such service
under government auspices, or jointly under government and

I consider to have been demonstrated by the exploratory work
of German airships during 1929-1936. The German airship service

to Brazil (some 80 round trips) constituted an influential and

profitable link between Germany and South American countries,
and, I have reason to know, was popular and highly regarded by
South American peoples. In cooperation, the government of

Brazil established at its own expense, airship terminal facilities including a hangar, which facilities still exist on the
outskirts of Rio de Janeiro. We may safely assume, I feel,

that as soon as the present situation clears in Europe, Germany
will immediately resume her South American airship service,
even despite her lack of helium or possibly with Russian
helium.

I bring this matter to your attention not only out of a

belief that the establishment of such an American-flag airship
service would stimulate trade, promote better relations and
therefore be in the public interest, but also out of a conclusion that the establishment of such service and the possession

of such aircraft would be distinctly in the interests of National
it a valuable agency in rounding out the field of our long

Defense. The airship has certain advantages to offer that make
distance oceanic aerial commerce.

The United States has an abundant, practically exclusive

monopoly of helium, making the modern airship a unique American

carrier. In the Navy we still have some experienced airship

personnel. As part of its stated policy, the Navy is willing

429

and ready to cooperate in the establishment Department of is such not, service in my

follow
through such a pro ject.
as opinion, I have the indicated, agency best but the equipped Navy or suited to initiate and
to

if you so desire, be glad to make dealing available with the

I shall, testimony by qualified personnel South America.

you technical data or feasibility of airship service to
Commerce.

letter has been addressed to Secretary the Secretary of

State, A similar the Secretary of Agriculture and the

Sincerely yours,

is
Charles Edison

Honorable
The The Secretary of the Treasury

of

430
Conference at Secretary Morgenthau's Office
Tuesday, June 25, 1940

Present: Secretary Morgenthau, Secretary Wallace,
Mr. Perkins, Mr. White.
Secretary Wallace had asked for the conference. He explained
at the conference that he and Mr. Perkins had recently conferred with
the President on the Latin American program. Secretary Wallace had
proposed to the President that some of the surplus crops of Latin
America be purchased and such of those crops that could not be conveniently stored, marketed or used at home might be distributed under
a plan similar to the Food Stamp Plan here to certain American coun-

tries with the cooperation of the particular country selected. He
used Argentine corn as an illustration. Argentina has a large surplus

of corn and Mexico was greatly in need of corn and arrangement might

be possible to distribute Argentine corn in Mexico. The President

(Secretary Wallace said) thought the idea was excellent and would be
given careful consideration.

Secretary Wallace then asked Mr. Perkins to explain the second
proposal which they had presented to the President. Mr. Perkins ex-

plained that they proposed the setting up of a cartel corporation to
act as a clearing house for all export and import transactions by the
western hemd.sphere and Europe and that all purchases from Latin America

be paid for with what he called tentatively "reciprocal" dollars, such
dollars being usable only in the United States. These "reciprocal"
dollars were to be used exclusively in foreign trade between this
hemisphere and the rest of the world, while "regular" dollars are to
be used for trade within the hemisphere.

The Secretary stated that he fully sympathized with the objectives
and had been active in the past couple of years in pushing for a comprehensive Latin American program. He felt that the proposal of extension of the Stamp Plan seemed like a good thing, but that the matter
of using reciprocal and regular dollars would need careful examination.
It was agreed that Mr. Perkins and Mr. White examine the proposal care-

fully in conference. Mr. Perkins agreed to set forth the proposal in

a memorandum and to give Mr. White an opportunity to look it over and

then arrange for an interview to discuss the suggestion. Mr. Perkins
sent Mr. White a memorandum the next morning and conferred at the

Treasury with Mr. White that afternoon on the merits of the proposal. pee

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now