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as follow

234

May 28, 1940

Memorandum to the Secretary of War

/

I am in receipt of your memorandum of the 25th covering

additional aircraft. This apparently does not include the War
Department's estimates for the fiscal year 1941 now awaiting
action by Congress which includes the following:
Heavy bombardment

6

Medium bombardment

66

Amphibian - two-engine

14

Pursuit interceptor

37

Transport - two-engine
Advanced training
Total

6

37

166

Will you kindly advise me regarding this omission, as
I wish to include it with the program set forth in your memorandule.

It is also my desire pursuant
to my memorandum to you of

the with that full apportunity
br gurn the Secretary of the in

Jreasury to participate to
all negotiations looking

the initiation of contracts for

aircraft

235

May 29, 1940.

KEMORANDEM FOR THE SHORNTARY OF WAR:

I as in receipt of your a of the 25th covering

additional aircraft as follows:
Number

Options to provide

type

a maximum of
800

Primary Training Aisplanes

800

800

Basic Training Aisplanes

800

600

Advenced Training Airplanes
(single engine)

1,000

100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

300

Heavy Dembers

(two engine)
None

1,000

This apparently does not include the Far Department's
estimates for the fiscal year 1961 new assising action by
Congress which includes the following:
Heavy Describent
Medium bembardment

Amphibian - two engine

Persuits interespter
transport - two engine
Advanced extining
Total

6

66
14

87
6
BY

166

will yes kindly advise me regarding this omission as I

wish to instate 18 with the program set forth in your -

It is also - desire. parent to - - to yes

-2of the 20th. that full opportunity be given the Secretary of
the Treasury to participate in all negotiations looking to

the initiation of contracts for sircraft.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 27, 1940

MEMORANDUM FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

F.D. R.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 27, 1040

MEMORANDING FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE CREASURY

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

F. .D.P.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 27, 1940

MEMORANDUM FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

F. D. R.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 27, 1040

MENIONAND FOR

THE SECRITARY "RY
FOR YOUR

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 27, 1940

MEMORANDINA FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

F. D. R.

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 27, 1940

MEMORANDING FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

F. D. R.

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

is, 194C.

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Subject: Program of Requirements in Aircraft for
Procurement under New Legislation.

In
compliance
on
subject,
the program procured

as
a resultthat
new Itand
will be
noted
immediate
as compared
to
2,400
proposed
This
action is to price
procurement believed the of of requirements the total in with advisable member the aggregates legislation your defense in contemplated memorandum due aircraft of 1,900 is this the listed aircraft, by variations legislation. for types the below. specific above to in be

factors. The options for additional procurement as indicated

below will provide for the required flexibility, and it is be-

lieved that through the application of these options as prices
permit 2,400 airplanes will be ultimately procured.
Options to provide
Number

a maximum of

Type

500

Primary Training Airplanes

500

Basic Training Airplanes

600

Advanced Training Airplanes

800
800

1,000

(Single Engine)
100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

(Two Engine)
200

Heavy Bombers

None

1,900

Contracts have been prepared to cover the above requirements
in order that procurement measures may be immediately initiated upon

the availability of appropriations.
As directed in your letter, all contracts and developments will

be cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury to you as Commanderin-Chief.

Any

HARRY H. WOODRING,

Secretary of Far,

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Subject: Program of Requirements in Aircraft for
Procurement under New Legislation.

In compliance with your memorandum on the above subject.

the program of requirements in aircraft by types to be procured

as a result of the new legislation is listed below. It will be
noted that the total number contemplated for specific and

immediate procurement aggregates 1,900 aircraft, as compared

to 2,400 proposed in the defense of this legislation. This
action is believed advisable due to the variations in price
factors. The options for additional procurement as indicated

below will provide for the required flexibility and it is be-

lieved that through the application of these options as prices
permit 2,400 airplanes will be ultimately procured.
Options to provide
Number

Type

a

maximum of

500

Primary Training Airplanes

500

Basic Training Airplanes

600

Advanced Training Airplanes
(Single Engine)

1,000

100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

800
800

(Two Engine)
200

Heavy Bombers

None

1,900

Contracts have been prepared to cover the above requirements
in order that procurement measures may be immediately initiated upon

M.

the availability of appropriations.
As directed in your letter, all contracts and developments will

be cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury to you as Commanderin-Chief.

Anany

HARRY H. WOODRING,

Secretary of War,

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

Thy 25, 1940.

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Subject: Program of Requirements in Aircraft for
Procurement under New Legislation.

In compliance with your memorandum on the above subject,

the program of requirements in aircraft by types to be procured

as a result of the new legislation is listed below. It will be
noted that the total member contemplated for specific and

immediate procurement aggregates 1,900 aircraft, 88 compared

to 2,400 proposed in the defense of this legislation. This
action is believed advisable due to the variations in price
factors. The options for additional procurement as indicated

below will provide for the required flexibility, and it is be-

lieved that through the application of these options as prices
permit 2,400 airplanes will be ultimately procured.
Number

Options to provide
a maximum of

Type

500

Primary Training Airplanes

500

Basic Training Airplanes

600

Advanced Training Airplanes

800
800

1,000

(Single Engine)
100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

(Two Engine)
200

Heavy Bombers

None

1,900

Contracts have been prepared to cover the above requirements
in order that procurement measures may be immediately initiated upon

M.

the availability of appropriations.
AR directed in your letter, all contracts and developments will

be cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury to you as Commanderin-Chief.

Anany

HARRY H. WOODRING,

Secretary of Tar,

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Subject: Program of Requirements in Aircraft for
Procurement under New Legislation.

In compliance with your memorandum on the above subject.

the program of requirements in aircraft by types to be procured

as a result of the new legislation is listed below. It will be
noted that the total member contemplated for specific and

immediate procurement aggregates 1,900 aircraft, as compared

to 2,400 proposed in the defense of this legislation. This
action is believed advisable due to the variations in price
factors. The options for additional procurement as indicated
below will provide for the required flexibility, and it is believed that through the application of these options as prices
permit 2,400 airplanes will be ultimately procured.
Number

Options to provide
a maximum of

Type

500

Primary Training Airplanes

500

Basic Training Airplanes

600

Advanced Training Airplanes

800

800

1,000

(Single Engine)
100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

(Two Engine)
200

Heavy\Bombers

None

1,900

Contracts have been prepared to cover the above requirements
in order that procurement measures may be immediately initiated upon

the availability of appropriations.
As directed in your letter, all contracts and developments will

be cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury to you as Commanderin-Chief,

Ana

HARRY H. WOODRING,

Secretary of War,

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

:-y in, 194C.

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Subject: Program of Requirements in Aircraft for
Procurement under New Legislation.

In compliance with your memorandum on the above subject,

the program of requirements in aircraft by types to be procured

as a result of the new legislation is listed below. It will be
noted that the total member contemplated for specific and

immediate procurement aggregates 1,900 aircraft, as compared

to 2,400 proposed in the defense of this legislation. This
action is believed advisable due to the variations in price
factors. The options for additional procurement as indicated

below will provide for the required flexibility, and it is be-

lieved that through the application of these options as prices
permit 2,400 airplanes will be ultimately procured.
Options to provide
Number

a maximum of

Type

500

Primary Training Airplanes

500

Basic Training Airplanes

600

Advanced Training Airplanes

800
800

1,000

(Single Engine)
100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

(Two Engine)
200

Heavy Bombers

None

1,900

Contracts have been prepared to cover the above requirements
in order that procurement measures may be immediately initiated upon

the availability of appropriations.
As directed in your letter, all contracts and developments will

be cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury to you as Commanderin-Chief,

Ana Martin
HARRY H. WOODRING

Secretary of Tar,

WAR DEPARTMENT
WASHINGTON

MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT:

Subject: Program of Requirements in Aircraft for
Procurement under New Legislation.

In compliance with your memorandum on the above subject,

the program of requirements in aircraft by types to be procured

as a remult of the new legislation is listed below. It will be
noted that the total number contemplated for specific and

immediate procurement aggregates 1,900 aircraft, as compared

to 2,400 proposed in the defense of this legislation. This
action is believed advisable due to the variations in price
factors. The options for additional procurement as indicated
below will provide for the required flexibility, and it is believed that through the application of these options as prices
permit 2,400 airplanes will be ultimately procured.
Options to provide
Number

a meximum of

Type

500

Primary Training Airplanes

500

Basic Training Airplanes

600

Advanced Training Airplanes

800

800

1,000

(Single Engine)
100

Advanced Training Airplanes

None

(Two Engine)
200

Heavy Bombers

None

1,900

Contracts have been prepared to cover the above requirements
in order that procurement measures may be immediately initiated upon

the availability of appropriations.
As directed in your letter, all contracts and developments will

be cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury to you as Commanderin-Chief,

Anany Marlen
HARRY H. WOODRING

Secretary of War,

248

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 29, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Haas

Subject:

Railread freight movement for export.

Receipts of freight for export at New York increased for
the second week in succession during the week ended May 25 to
a level not exceeded since the last week in December. Including a moderate increase at 9 other North Atlantic ports, the
total increase was 872 cars. (See Chart 1 and table attached.)
The volume of freight exported from New York during the

week ended May 25 increased by 868 cars as compared with the

preceding week to a total not attained since March. (See
Chart 2.) Because 80 large a proportion of the total receipts
was exported, the lighterage freight in storage and on hand
for unloading in New York harbor increased by only 270 cars.
(See Chart 3.)

24S
RECEIPTS OF FREIGHT FOR EXPORT AT NEW YORK
AND AT 9 OTHER NORTH ATLANTIC PORTS

New York 1

9 other North

Atlantic ports 2

Total

In carloads

)

Week ended
1939-40

(

3,435

December 2
December 9
December 16
December 23
December 30

3,922
4,088
4,848
3,856

1,548
1,658
1,602
1,104

5,470
5,746
6,450
4,960

January 6
January 13
January 20
January 27

4,056
4,060
4,389

4,000

1,251
1,433
1,557
1,825

5,251
5,489
5,617
6,214

February 3
February 10
February 17
February 24

4,274
4,617
3,974
4,550

1,498
1,637
1,667

5,772
6,207
5,611
6,217

March 2
March 9
March 16
March 23
March 30

4,577
4,059

4,072
4,424
4,150

2,388
2,448
1,845
2,033
1,492

6,965
6,507
5,917
6,457
5,642

April 6
April 13
April 20
April 27

3,979
3,957
4,133
4,346

1,551
1,866
1,557
1,248

5,530
5,823
5,690
5,594

May 4
May 11
May 18
May 25

4,255
3,793
4,165

1,522

1,619

5,777
5,412
5,748
6,620

4,794

1,590

1,583
1,826

1 Source: General Managers' Association of New York, Daily
Report of Operating Conditions in New York Harbor.

2 Source: Association of American Railroads, Car Service
Division, Report of Carload Freight for Export
and Coastal Vessel Movement. Includes Searsport,
Portland, Boston, Providence, Philadelphia,
Chester, Wilmington, Del., , Baltimore, and Norfolk
(or Hampton Roads)

RECEIPTS OF FREIGHT FOR EXPORT AT NEW YORK
AND AT 9 OTHER NORTH ATLANTIC PORTS
1940

1 939
DLC.

NOV.

MAY

APR

MAR.

FEB.

JAN.

JUNE

CARLOADS
THOUSANDS

CARLOADS
THOUSANDS

5.5
5.5

5.0
5.0

4.5
4.5

4.0
4.0
NEW YORK
3.5
3.5

3.0
3.0

2.5

2.5

9 OTHER PORTS
2.0
2.0

1.5
1.5

1.0

1.0

.5
.5

0
0

9

1939

6

NOV.

20

JAN.

17
3

23

DEC.

FEB.

2

25

11

16

MAR.

30

13

APR.

27

25

11

MAY

22

8

28

2

JUNE

1940

(1

of the Secretary of the Treasury

- of - - State

C - 304

CARLOADS OF FREIGHT EXPORTED FROM NEW YORK
1940

1939
FEB.

JAN.

DEC.

GARLOADS

MAR.

APR.

MAY

JUNE

CARLOADS

T

NOV

T

THOUSANDS

THOUSANDS

5.5

5.5

5.0

5.0

4.5

4.5

4.0

4.0

3.5

3.5

3.0

3.0

2.5

2.5
28

25

11

NOV.

23

9

DEC.

1939

20

6

JAN.

3

17

FEB.

2

16

30

MAR.

13

27

APR.

1940

25

11

MAY

22

8

JUNE

2
5
1
2

the Secretary of the Treasury

- / - Statida

. AS ESTIMATED FROM DATA OF GENERAL MANAGERS' ASSOCIATION OF NEW YORK.

c 308

LIGHTERAGE FREIGHT IN STORAGE

AND ON HAND FOR UNLOADING IN NEW YORK HARBOR
939

1 940

NOV.

DEC.

JAN.

MAR.

FEB.

JUNE

MAY

APR.

CARLOADS

T

CARLOADS
THOUSANDS

THOUSANDS

10

10

9

9
8
8

7

7
6

6

2

5
5

CT

2

4
4

1939

20

6

JAN.

DEC.

3

NOV.

23

9

17

FEB.

2

25

11

16

30

MAR.

1940

13

APR.

27

25

11

MAY

22

8

28

JUNE

.

LARGELY EXPORT FREIGHT, BUT ABOUT 10% REPRESENTS FREIGHT FOR LOCAL
AND COASTAL SHIPMENT. FIGURES EXCLUDE GRAIN.

3

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

- of - - India

C - 303

253
PLAIN

HSM

London

Dated May 29, 1940

Rec'd 1:32 P. M.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1432, May 29.
FOR TREASURY FROM BUTTERWORTH.

1. In the course of a speech in th House of Commons
this afternoon in connection with the legislation implementing certain of Simon's budget proposals Sir Kingsley
Wood the new ChancEllor of the Exchequer made three

statements worthy of note.

(a) That 100 percent EXCESS profits tax would be

applied as of April 1 to all trades and businesses;
(b) That he was considering what would bE the
best date for a new national loan and in this connsction he emphasized that the new all-embracing powers of
the British Government OVER all persons and property

would not endanger the individuals "monEy in any bank"; and
(c) That war expenditure would greatly EXCEED
Simon's Estimates but could not be re-estimated now.

As regards statement (a) I do not bEliEVE it should
be taken literally because I happen to know in connection
with

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hsm -2- No. 1432, May 29, from London

with tin that in order to be in a position to achieve
full production concessions are contemplated taking into
consideration that mining or E is consuming an asset.
2. Although the British Treasury has now blocked

Belgian assets it plans to regard the Belgian Ministers
now in Paris as the legally constituted Government and to

proceed on a basis similar to that being worked out with
Holland. I gathered that most of the negotiations with

the : VE been and are conducted in Paris by the
Fresh just as most of the Dutch negotia**ons are being
conducted here by the British. The British Treasury
states that agreement has been reached in principle on
most of the main points in order to Extend th: SimonReynaud arrangement to the Dutch and this was confirmed

by Bayen whom I happened to SEE at lunch in the City.

Beyen has been "lent" by Unilevers to the Dutch Governmeno and assumes the title of "financial adviser".

3. In the City and in the Treasury feelings are
CENTERED on the B.E.F. and minds are centered on what

thereafter is to COME.
KENNEDY
CSB

255
GRAY

RDS

Milan

Dated May 29, 1940

Rec'd 1:29 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

46, May 29, 5 p.m.

Today's market index 225.7. Volume 108,425

pric 's irregule r but generally firmer in active market

which reportedly absorbed all offers wi hout difficulty.
SHOLES
CSB

256

ITALIAN STOCK PRICES
(Milan)

Daily*

Weekly

1 940
APR.

MAY

JUNE

10

APRIL

JULY

PER

PER

PER

CENT

GENT

CENT

SATURDAY FIGURES

6

MAR.

mn

MAY
20

13

27

4

FEB.

JUNE
18

11

25

15

8

JAN.

TTT

22

TITTE

PER

CENT

270
270

300

300

260
260

280

280

250
250

240
240
260

260
230

240

240

230

220

220

210
220

210

220

200

200

180

200

200

190

190

180

180

180

SHARES

SHARES

THOUSANDS

THOUSANDS

Volume

200
160

200

160
100

100

JUNE

JULY

0

1940

MAY

6

APR.

13

20

APRIL

27

4

MAR.

18

11

MAY

25

1

FEB.

8

140

JAN.

0

140

15

22

JUNE

1940

SATURDAY FIGURES PRIOR TO MAY 20.
Office of the Secretary of the Treasury
Division of Research and Statistics

FO 141-2

13004

treasury

PLAIN

MA

OTTAWA

Dated May 29, 1940

CAG

Rec'd 1:26 a.m. 30th

Secretary of State
Washington

114, May 29th. five thirty.
Following EXCERPT from official statement of

May 28th by Minister of Finance relative to the
foreign Exchange acquisition order: "2ssidents
of Canada who are not British subjects will not be

obliged to sell their foreign currency to a Canadian
Bank until June 30th."
SIMMONS
ALC

257

258
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK
OFFICE CORRESPONIENCE
To

Files

From

L. W. Knoke

DATE May 29, 1940.

SUBJECT: International Hydrographic
Bureau, Monte Carlo

Rear Admiral Lamar R. Leahy, the American director of
the above Bureau, called today with reference to Admiral Nares'

letter of March 26 and our reply of May 15.
Admiral Leahy stated that he had been referred to me by
the State Department which he claimed had advised him that in response

to our inquiry some weeks ago as to the State Department's attitude
towards the Bureau's request for information on earmarking of gold,

it had approved the contemplated transaction. I explained to the
Admiral that we had taken this matter up with the State Department
in accordance with customary practice, through the Treasury Depart=

ment; that the Treasury Department had notified us that if earmarking

in a case like the present was contrary to our policy, a negative
reply by us was in order as far as the State Department was concerned.

I further mentioned to the Admiral that upon receipt of this information through the State Department, we had prepared our reply but had

sent it off only after clearing it with Mr. Cochran at the Treasury
who had informed us that he had seen the Secretary of the Treasury
in connection therewith.
Admiral Leahy stated that the gold was held by Lloyds Bank,

Ltd., London, as trustees. I suggested that rather than pursue

this matter of earmarking the gold in our vaults, it would be
advisable for him, in view of the urgency of the situation, to take

25S

-2the necessary steps to have the gold shipped by Lloyds Bank, Ltd.,

to its New York correspondent for sale here upon arrival.
Admiral Leahy indicated that he himself was not opposed

to a dollar account instead of a gold account in New York but that
he would have to consult his two co-directors.
He indicated that he had, before seeing me, called on his
old friend, Mr. Aldrich at the Chase National Bank, and that he was
now going to talk to the New York representative of Lloyds Bank, Ltd.

LWK:KW

260

May 20, 1940.

Ny dear Mr. Secretary:

I wish to acknowledge receipt of year letter

of May 24th, which sends no a copy of a cation you have written to the Federal Lean
Administrator.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthan, Jr.

Henerable Heary 4. Vallage,

Secretary of Agriculture,
Washington, D. c.

GEF:laf

261

May 20, 1940.

my - no. Secretary:
$ wish to acknowledge receipt of year letter

of May 266m, which conts - . copy of a oction you have witten to the Federal Less
administrator.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H Morganthau, Jr.

Reserville Beary 4. Vallese,

Secretary of Agriculture,
Washington, D. c.

GEF:laf

262

- 20, 1000.

w - Hr. Secretary:
I wish to schnovician receipt of your letter

of May seen, which conta - a copy of a ention you have william to the Federal Lean

Ministerator.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H Morgenthan. Jr.

Receivable Beany 4. Vallace,

Secretary of Agriculture,
Washington, 2. c.

GMP:laf

263

- 20, 1040.

my - w. Searotary

$ wish to receipt of your letter
of my seem, which conta - . - of a oction you have with to the Federal Lean
Administrator.

Sincerely,
(Signed) H.

Beany 4. Valless,
Secretary of Agriculture,
Washington, D. c.

GEF:laf

Houre

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
WASHINGTON

264

May 24, 1940

formal I
The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Dear Mr. Secretary:

For your information, I am enclosing a copy of a letter
written today to the Federal Loan Administrator with respect to
the need for taking an especially serious problem of agriculture
into consideration in the development of a program for the acquisition of an emergency reserve supply of imported strategic
materials.

It may be noted that the proposal made to Mr. Jones
utilizes gold as the medium of exchange merely in an effort to
help avoid the possible misinterpretation of the program as an

ordinary extension of credit to foreign countries. The neces-

sary gold would not be taken from the Exchange Stabilization
Fund but would be obtained through regular R.F.C. borrowings.
Sincerely,

Hawallac
Secretary

Enclosure

265

Non. Jesse Jenes

Administrator, Federal Loan Agency
Dear Mr. Jonest

Reference is made to our telephone conversation Wednesday in

which I transmitted the President's desire that agriculture be taken
into consideration in developing a program for requiring as emergency
supply of imported strategic materials.
I as advised that at a conference Wednesday afternoon of the
representatives of Treasury, Commerce, Agriculture, and the Recenstruction Finance Corporation, 19 seemed to be indicated that the
important problem of taking the related need of agriculture tate
consideration probably receives Strelf into . question of whether

the emergency recerve supply of strategic antoricle would be quired by a publicly-evaed corporation OF by a certes of privatelyover corporations financed primarily through public loans. If. as
1 - advised, 11 is likely to prove impressical to undertake to meet
reasonably the need of agriculture under the alternative of privatelyover corporations, I strongly wage that you adopt the alternative of
a publicly-ovaes corporation which would be able to advance - form
of purchasing power to foreign mentries.
The recent drastic decline is the prices of form products 10
as early Indication of the agricultural demoralisation that may be
expected unless same large seale positive setter is taken to mistain
our export enticte. We estimate currently that in the absence of sems
such action, favors - suffer a loss of as wash as 50 percent of
their expert market in Barape even during recent years, which se you
know, has been considerably below normal. The greatest leases would

fell on oction, tobacco, eera and pork products, about, - fruits.

Is the case of come erope, the less is Haropean outlets would be 75

percent or more of their exports to all continents. A study of the

problem has shown that such great lessee probably could not be effect
by a maximum combination of effort through increased production adjustseas. marketing agreement, expert subsidy. commodity loan. and domostic
consumption programs.

266

The vast decline is the Hareport demand for our agricultural
exporte 10 not to be accounted for exclusively by the interruption of
shipping to certain Surepees countries or by say decrease is the sciunal
need for form products from the United States. In advising us of the
exceedingly low parchases that ve may expect from Great Britain and
Premes this year, the representatives of these countries have exphasised
what they consider to be as imporative need for conserving their ourrestly substantial fund of purchasing power in the United states to most
military requirements is the event of a struggle Lasting more than a year.
18 to semifort, therefore, that deepite the been that the Barepers Var
say bring for American manufacturers, a serious less is is store for
American agriculture unless some arrangement enn be sade to provide

Turopean countries with as increase is their purchasing power is a
form that could be used only for buying our farm exports.
Presenably. 19 10 not feasible under the present circumstances
to provide such an increase is purchasing power by on extension of credit
to foreign countries. Fortunately, however, 18 has been found possible

to work out a relatively simple arrangement, is connection with the templated purchases of strategic and critical anterials, under which
foreign countries could be provided with sa increase in purchasing power
to be used exclusively for increased experts of American fare products.
Briefly, the proposal 10 that the President be authorised to make agreements with foreign countries for the exchange of strategie materials for
gold (to be obtained not free the Eschange stabilization Fund but through
R.F.C. borrovings). and under which 9191. to the gold could be transferred
is advence of receipt of the strategic materials, provided 18 were used
exclusively for purchases of our agricultural expert products. You will
recognise that there are come very significant differences between this
method of providing purchasing power and the extension of credit to a
foreign country. which means the acceptance of an obligation of a
foreign country to deliver to us gold or 100 equivalent is foreign
exchanges whereas the prinsiple proposed here would be the acceptance

of serely a short-term obligation of a foreign country to deliver to

us the materials that 10 produces and that we consume.

I know also that you will fully appreciate that this problem has
some relationship to the truly vital importance of strengthening the
position of the United States is 100 efforte to prevent the spread of
war. to develop our national defense, and to provide additional bulverks

for our peace. There may be a great and reddem need for a substantial
fund of additional purchasing power which could be placed at the disposal

of foreign countries in advence of the earliest possible deliveries of
strategie materials. IS sight be sufficient in the case of delieste
Dalnases to oving the seales against a further spreading of var. Hereover, 19 would contribute to actional unity is support of the President's
defense program if furnere, as well as maninatures and laborers, were
definitely included arong 100 economic beneficiaries.

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-3-

IS my also be noted that the alternative of a publicly-emed
corporation might avoid some of the difficulties and delays that sight
be encountered is working our through privately-evaed corporations the
negotiations that would accessarily involve foreign governments, and is

developing the - agreements and regulations that would have to

be adopted is order to prevent government lesses. private speculative
profits, and releases of the materials at undesirable times or under
undesirable terms and conditions. Hereover, the ability of & publiclyovaed corporation to offer not serely each for such strategie materials
se can be delivered promptly. but also advance payments to foreign
governments on materials which could not be delivered for several
months, sight provide ea increased burgaining power for the United
States, and as incentive for sellers, that would serve to bring about
more reasonable prices or earlier schedules for the delivery of the
strategic materials.
the enclosed draft of one possible nothed of taking the need of
agriculture into consideration in connection with the acquisition of

strategic materials, is merely Illustrative of the possibilities that

exist. We are in as way vedded to this particular means of effectuating
the principles and ve submit it for your consideration with the thought
that a better method may occur to you for accomplishing the same objeclives.

of course 11 may be that agriculture is is for as extremely
critical time regardless of what we do. Nevertheless, I - cure you
will agree that ve must seise every opportunity to forestell any
possible crisis. There is as thought that the proposal we have is
mind would selve all of agriculture's problems but there is a reasonable chance that 18 would holy significantly. So for as I know 11 is
the only proposed principle, of these current, which permits agriculture to participate with Industry and labor is a strategic asterials
program.

sincerely,

Secretary
Enclosure

eet The Secretary of State
The Secretary of the Treasury
The Secretary of Var
The Secretary of the Havy

The Secretary of the Interier
The Secretary of Commerce

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A BILL

Draft 5-23-40

To provide for emergency reserve supplies of imported strategic and

critical materials.

Be 18 enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States
of America in Congress Assembled, That this act may be cited as the Emergency Reserve
Supply Ast of 1940.

Sec. 2. The President is hereby authorised. on behalf of the United States, to

enter into agreements with the governments of foreign countries under which foreign
countries shall become obligated to transfer to the United States strategic and critical
materials produced in such foreign countries OF in their possessions and, is exchange
therefor. the United States shall become obligated to transfer to such foreign countries
title to an amount of gold aggregating not in excess of 3b per centus of the total
amount of gold ovaed by the United States on the date of the enactment of this act. The
Secretary of War, the Secretary of the Navy. and the Secretary of the Interior, asting
jointly through the agency of the Army and Navy Numitions Board, shall advise the Presi-

dent regarding the kinds, grades, and quantities of strategic and critical materials to

be acquired under such agreements to serve as reserve stocks for meeting national omer-

gencies with respect to such materials. Such agreements with foreign countries shall
be negotiated by the Secretary of State with the advice and approval of the Secretary of
the Treasury, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Agriculture, and the Federal
Loan Administrator. Under such agreements, no transfers of title to the gold shall be
made is advance of the transfer to the United States of the materials for which the gold
is exchanged, unless such foreign governments use the gold exclusively for purchases of
Fax or manufactured agricultural commodities to be exported from the United States, and
obligate themselves with respect to the sisimes total purchases within a specified period
A time of agricultural products to be experted from the United States to such foreign
countries.

Sec. 3. The Reconstruction Finance Corporation is hereby authorised and di-

rected to carry out the agreements authorised in section 2 and to hold title to the
strategie and critical materials acquired thereunder. The amount of notes, bonds,
debentures, and other such obligations which the Reconstruction Finance Corporation
is authorised and empowered under existing law to issue and have outstanding at any
one time is hereby increased by such amount, not to exceed $650,000,000. as may be
required to reimburse the Army and Navy Munitions Board for expenses insured for

the transportation, mintenance, retation, storage, and other necessary services in
connection with the materials acquired under the provisions of this act. and to provide
for the transfer to foreign countries of title to such gold as may be required to
carry out the agreements made pursuant to the provisions of section 2. The Recenstruction Finance Corporation shall reader to the Congress each year a report of the
net incomes or the not lessee resulting from the release during the preceding fiscal
year of any materials acquired pursuant to the provisions of this act. The Reconstruction Finance Corporation shall pay any such not incomes into the Treasury as
miscellaneous receipts: the Secretary of the Treasury shall pay to the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation any such lesses from funds in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated: and there is hereby authorised to be appropriated each fiscal year for such
purpose an amount equal to any such losses.

Sec. 4. The Secretary of Var and the Secretary of the Navy, acting jointly

through the agency of the Army and Navy Munitigas Board, are hereby authorised to

transport, handle, store, maintain, protect, Mate, and perform other necessary
operations in connection with the strategic and critical materials acquired under
the agreements authorised in section 2.

Sec. 5. Whenever the President determines that on emergency exists with Recen- re-

peat to any strategic or critical material dired pursupnt to this act the in such

struction Finance Corporation shall release such Interial in such amounts.

manner, and upon such terms and conditions as the President shall determine.

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
WASHINGTON

May 29, 1940.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

receipt of

Lat me acknowledge your letter of May 24th,
which sends me a copy of a communication you have

written to the Federal Loan Administrator. This

material will be given careful consideration.
Sincerely,

Honorable Henry A. Wallace,

Secretary of Agriculture,
Washington, D. C.

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Prepared by: Mr. Murphy
Mr. Tickton
Mr. Turner
Mr. Hane

270

DEPARTMENT

CONFIDENTIAL

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

May 29, 1940

Secretary Mergenthau

TO

FROM

Mr. Haas
DAJune Financing
Subject: Setting
for the

AIX

SUMMARY

(1) Prices of all classes of Treasury securities declined
moderately yesterday on the news of the Belgian surrender, just about cancelling the recovery which
occurred last Saturday. The prices of United States
Government securities are now about midway between the
all-time highs of last June and last September's lows
(Chart I).

(2) The upset consequent upon recent events abroad has

caused acute weakness in all organized markets. This
is in distinct contrast to what happened last Septem-

ber (Chart II).

Despite this situation, the Treasury's immediate
financing problem is not as serious as it might be.
The technical position of the Government security
market 1s strong due, on the one hand, to the pressure
of excess reserves upon the banks and of mounting cash
balances of insurance companies (Chart III); and on
the other, to a net reduction in the volume of Government securities available in the market. Under the
circumstances it would be possible to raise new cash

at this time, should it appear desirable to do so.

The market appears to expect a note to be offered in
exchange for the June bonds. The wide range of dayto-day fluotuations in Government security prices in

recent weeks, and the desirability of giving the long-

term market a rest, moreover, would counsel the offering of such an issue.
(3) It is recommended that the June financing be confined

to the offering of a note. A note in the 3 to 5 year
range is suggested. Probable yield bases of the
specific issues proposed are shown in Chart IV.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 2

I. The Government Security Market
News of the Belgian surrender was followed yesterday by

moderate declines in the prices of all classes of Treasury
securities. Prices of Treasury bonds at yesterday's close were
about the same as last Friday, however, due to the intervening
recovery. The average yield of long-term Treasury bonds was
2.49 percent at yesterday's close. This yield, the same as on
Friday, May 24, is the highest since last November 14.
The declines of recent weeks have brought the prices of
United States Government securities, except the longer notes,
to a point slightly below the halfway mark between the all-time
highs of last June and last September's lows (Chart I).
With the exception of 1 - 3 year Treasury notes, which regained the level of June 5, 1939 early in January, and which
have since declined almost without interruption, all classes of
Treasury securities continued an upward trend from their
September lows through April 3, just before the Scandinavian invasion by Germany. At this point 3 - 5 year notes were higher
than they were last June, and Treasury bonds were less than a
point below the June peaks.
Since April 3, Treasury bonds with over 15 years to call
have suffered net price decreases of more than 4 points. Bonds
with 5 - 15 years to call and 3 - 5 year notes have declined
less than the longer bonds, but in proportions approximately in
line with normal expectation. Most of the price declines 00curred after
the extension of warfare to the Low Countries and
northern
France.
II. The Immediate Financing Problem

The June financing will have to be carried out, it appears,
in financial markets sharply upset by the shock of the recent
turn of events abroad. This upset, it is noted, has by no means
been a limited one, but has extended to all organized markets.
It has affected gilt-edged as well as second-grade securities,
fixed-interest as well as equity issues, and the commodities

markets as well as the securities markets (Chart II). This is

in sharp
contrast
last September when stocks and commodities
rose
while
bondstofell.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 3

The Treasury's immediate financing problem is not as

serious as it might be, however, in view of this general unsettlement, because the Government security market is now -and has been for some months -- in an exceedingly strong

technical position.

On the one hand (the demand side), financial institutions

require an increased volume of investments -- the banks because
of the pressure of an ever-mounting volume of excess reserves,
and the insurance companies because of the rise in their cash

balances (Chart III). On the other hand (the supply side),

there has been a net reduction in the volume of direct and
guaranteed Government securities available in the market in recent months - the supply actually having declined by about
$300 millions since the beginning of the year.

As a result of these developments, financial institutions

have not liquidated any significant volume of their Government
securities during market swings in recent months. This action
has reduced to small proportions the volume of Governments
thrown into the market in periods of price weakness and has
enabled the Federal Reserve banks to refrain from acquiring any
substantial volume of Government securities during market crises

this year. This is in sharp contrast to the experience of last

September when the Reserve banks purchased a large volume of
Government securities, and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

negotiated a gentlemen's agreement with the New York City banks

to prevent attempts to liquidate portfolio positions.
In view of this technical strength it would probably be

possible to raise new cash at this time despite the unsettled
condition of the market. Whether such action is desirable
will depend partly upon the development of the situation abroad
between now and the actual financing date, and partly upon the
prospective volume and timing of expenditures -- considerations
which are not covered in this memorandum.

The position of the insurance companies was discussed at
some length in our memorandum of April 23, 1940, entitled
"Current Developments in the High-grade Securities Markets",

Section III of which dealt with the subject of "Life Insur-

ance Companies as a Factor in the Government Bond Market".

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Secretary Morgenthau - 4

The market appears at the present time to expect that
a note will be offered in exchange for the June bonds and

for the new cash, if any, to be raised at the same time. The

wide range of day-to-day fluctuations in Government security
prices experienced in recent weeks, moreover, would counsel

the offering of such an issue, if only because its price
movement during a day of bad news would be less likely to
threaten the success of the financing. Aside from this consideration of safety, it may be urged also that the long-term

market should be given an opportunity to recuperate from the
severe shock to which it has been subjected during the past
month. If it is given such an opportunity, the insurance
company cash balances previously referred to ought to constitute an important element of strength in the long end of the
market.

III. Who Holds the June Bonds
It would be easier to determine what type of new issue
would be most attractive to the holders of the maturing bonds
if we knew how their ownership was distributed. Our data
with respect to such ownership -- which unfortunately are
very fragmentary -- are summarized below.
1. The original holders. When the 3-3/8 percent bonds
were originally issued in 1928, they were taken up in part
($252 millions) by cash subscribers, and in part ($107 mil-

lions) by that minor fraction of the holders of the Third
Liberty Bonds -- then outstanding in the amount of $1-1/4 billions -- who did not desire the alternatives of a short issue

or cash. These bonds were undoubtedly regarded as relatively
long-term obligations at that time, and a considerable pro-

portion of them, therefore, probably found their way into the
portfolios of long-term investors -- mainly individuals.
(Our statistics on issues held by insurance companies, for
example, indicate that only a small proportion of this issue
has ever been held by such companies.)

2. Holders in 1939. The original investors, by
classes at least, probably still had the 3-3/8 percent bonds
last year. This follows from the data that we do have on the
distribution of the issue. These data, which are shown in
the table below, are striking in the small proportion of the
issue reported to be held by banks.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 5

Distribution of 3-3/8's of 1940-43
(Figures are for various dates in 1939)
Holder

Amount

(Millions of
dollars)

Commercial Banks

New York City banks

6

22 Large national banks outside of
New York City
Total

53
59

Other

37 Large life insurance companies

Federal Reserve Open Market Account
200 Savings banks
Government agencies and trust funds

24
11
5

1

Total holdings accounted for

100

Total holdings not accounted for

253

Total amount outstanding

353

Note: Figures were supplied by the Comptroller of the Currency,

the Federal Reserve Board, and Poor's Publishing Company

3. Holders at the present time. The only certain infor-

mation that we have on the changes in the holdings of the maturing bonds since the beginning of the year, is that the Federal
Reserve System has sold out the $11 millions held on December 31.
We are fairly certain, however, that insurance companies have
not accumulated any of the bonds because they practically never
buy issues selling on a negative yield basis. (These bonds
have sold on a negative yield basis continuously since September 11, 1939.) It should be noted, too, that New York banks
have been adding substantially to their holdings of Treasury
bonds in recent weeks, and there is reason to believe that a
considerable portion of the increase has consisted of maturing
bonds.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 6

IV. Selection and Pricing of a New Issue
It is recommended that the June financing be confined to
the offering of a note. This recommendation would hold irrespective of whether the financing is confined to an exchange
offer for the maturing 3-3/8 percent bonds or whether new cash
is raised also.

It is suggested that the new note be in the 3 to 5 year

range, the exact maturity depending upon the condition of the
market when the financing decision is made. There are no outstanding note maturities of 3-1/4 years, 4-1/2 years and

5 years, respectively. On the basis of Tuesday's market, it
would appear that a 1 percent note could be offered successfully
for a 3-1/4 year maturity and a 1-1/8 percent note for a 4-1/2
year or 5 year maturity.

The probable yield bases and premiums of the proposed new

notes are shown in the following table:

Probable Premiums on New Notes

(Based on closing bids, May 28)
Probable

Probable

yield basis
:

:

3-1/4 year, 1 percent,

(Percent)

premium

due 9-15-43

.75

26/32

due 12-15-44

.92

29/32

due 6-15-45

.95

27/32

4-1/2 year, 1-1/8 percent
5 year, 1-1/8 percent

The proposed new issues are indicated in red on Chart IV,
which also shows the yields of all outstanding Treasury notes
based on closing bid prices, May 28.

1939
U.S.
SECURITIES
JUNE
SINCE
5.
Points Plotted Represent Differences from Average Price of Each Maturity Class on June 5.
PRICES

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MAY MAY
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Chart II

MOVEMENTS IN THE PRINCIPAL SECURITY AND COMMODITY MARKETS
SATURDAY FIGURES

1940

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MAY

MAR.

JAN.

SEPT.

NOV.

PERCENT

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(INVERTED)

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2.2
2.2

latest Figures as of May 28

2.4

2.4

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2.6

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Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

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Chart IV

YIELDS OF TREASURY NOTES
Based on Closing Bid Prices, May 28, 1940

1940

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280
May 29. 1940.

Dear Mr. Hoover:

I wish to acknowledge receipt of the following letters

which I have received from you recently:

May 21st, regarding the Carnegie-Illinois Steel

Corporation:
May 22nd, regarding Norwegian and Danish commercial
shipping:

May 25th, regarding the Newark office of the United
States Treasury Accounts Office:
May 27th. regarding the Dodge Automobile Company.

Thank you for your kindness in furnishing me with the
information contained in these letters.
Yours sincerely,

(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Mr. J. Edgar Hoover, Director.
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Department of Justice,
Washington, D. c.
NMC:laf

281

May 29. 1940.

Dear Mr. Reever:

I wish to acknowledge receipt of the following letters

which I have received from you recently:

May 21st, regarding the Carnegie-Illinois Steel

Corporation:
May 22nd, regarding Norwegian and Danish commercial
shipping:

May 25th, regarding the Newark office of the United
States Treasury Accounts Office:
May 27th, regarding the Dodge Automobile Company.

Thank you for your kindness in furnishing me with the
information contained in these letters.
Yours sincerely,

(Signed) H.

Mr. J. Bigar Heaver, Director.
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Department of Justice,
Washington, D. C.
RMD:1af

282

May 29, 1940.

Dear Mr. Hoover

I wish to acknowledge receipt of the following letters

which I have received from you recently:

May 21st, regarding the Carregie-Illinois Steel

Corporation:
May 22nd, regarding Norwegian and Danish commercial
shipping:

May 25th, regarding the Newark office of the United
States Treasury Accounts Office:
May 27th, regarding the Dodge Automobile Company.

Thank you for your kindness in furnishing me with the
information contained in these letters.
Yours sincerely,

(Signed) H Mongeathan. Jr.

Mr. J. Edgar Hoever, Director.
Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Department of Justice,
Washington, D.C.
HMO:lmf

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER

added 5729

DIRECTOR

Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Mashington, D.C.
May 27, 1940

9:10
The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D.C.

M

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I am transmitting herewith, as of
possible interest to you, a copy of a statement dated May 25, 1940, containing information with regard to a quantity of explosives found in the plant of the Dodge
Automobile Company at Detroit, Michigan,
on May 23, 1940.

Sincerely yours,

se . Doover

J.

John Edgar Hoover

Inclosure

Director

283
PERSONAL AND

CONFIDENTIAL

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER
DIRECTOR

284

Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Mashington, D. C.

PERSONAL AND

CONFIDENTIAL

May 27, 1940

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Treasury
Washington, D. C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I am transmitting herewith, as of
possible interest to you, a copy of a state-

ment dated May 25, 1940, containing in-

formation with regard to a quantity of explosives found in the plant of the Dodge
Automobile Company at Detroit, Michigan,
on May 23, 1940.

Sincerely yours,

John Edgar Hoover

Director

Inclosure

JOHN EDGAR HOOVER
DIRECTOR

Mederal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Mashington, D.C.
May 25, 1940
MEMORANDUM

Information has been received from officials of the
Dodge Automobile Company, Detroit, Michigan, to the effect
that on May 23, 1940, a small metal tin containing forty
dynamite caps was discovered in an obscure place in the

foundry of this plant. It has been determined that the tin
when found was wrapped in an old sock and a piece of discarded wall paper. The discovery was accidental, one of
the plant employees chancing upon the tin of explosives

while looking for a milk bottle used by him for drinking

water purposes.

A note was found inside the tin, among the plesives, as follows:

"This is all I can get. I'll have the
other soon by the time you are ready

for it. Watch Mike. Don't let him know
too much. I must see you on the week
end. Things is shakey."

Numerous eastings and other materials used in the
construction of auto trucks being purchased by the United
States Army are manufactured in the foundry portion of the
plant wherein the explosives were discovered.

For the above reason, an investigation is being
undertaken by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for the
purpose of determining whether this matter involves sabotage
within the jurisdiction of the Federal Government.
Appropriate examinations are being conducted in the
Technical Laboratory of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

with regard to the materials found, in an effort to develop
identifying data of possible evidentiary value.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

286

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

MAY 29 1940

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

Mr. Foley

FROM

Commissioner Frank delivered on April 8, 1940, an address entitled
"In Time of War Prepare For Peace" before the Army Industrial College in

Washington. A summary of the salient points in the address is attached.
At one point in his speech Commissioner Frank said: "Financing cur-

rent armament expenditure is essentially a fiscal problem. I will not,

therefore, attempt a detailed discussion of it. Even if I were qualified,
it would be somewhat presumptuous for me to do so." Whereupon Commissioner

Frank proceeded to a detailed discussion.

inth

Attachment

287
SUMMARY OF ADDRESS BY COMMISSIONER FRANK, APRIL 8, 1940

I. The methods of war finance adopted should be required (1) to perform

the job with the least disturbance to ordinary financial life, and (2) to per-

form the job with a minimum of undesirable after-effects. The scope of war
finance can not be restricted to the sphere of money or finance proper. The
basic problem is to facilitate shifts in the uses of resources to produce war
supplies instead of civilian goods. Any formula of war finance must be directed toward reducing the consumption of the civilian population below its peacetime level in order that what is saved in civilian consumption can be expended
in war effort.

II. Until the stage of full employment of resources is reached preference

should be given to those methods of war finance which induce a net increase in

production and not merely a shift in production. During this period the cost

of armament need not be met by new taxes or forced loans but mainly by borrowing

from banks and from the idle reserves of individuals. Once the level of full

productive capacity is reached, however, armament expenditure should be financed
largely through taxes or through loans placed outside the banking system.

III. There is no basic difficulty in curtailing civilian expenditure on

consumption and capital goods to finance estimated armament expenditures. Assuming we need to spend 15 billion dollars a year more on armaments than we are
spending now (which is about the amount spent for a full year in the World War
including loans to the Allies), and assuming a maximum national income in war-

time of 80 billion dollars, the 15 billion could be derived by reducing expenditures (1) for the purchase of new automobiles and for the operation of old ones
by 2-1/2 billion, (2) on household machinery and furnishings by 2 billion, (3)
on home construction by 1/2 billion, (4) on replacements to make up for depreciation in business plants by 2 billion, (5) on current civilian consumption on
non-durable goods by 3 billion, and (6) for civilian plant expansion by 5 billion.

IV. In raising the necessary funds the first principle to be observed is the

reduction of purchasing power at those points where curtailment of civilian expenditure is desired. This can be accomplished by (1) heavy excise taxes on
durable consumers' goods, particularly automobiles, gasoline, household equipment and luxury articles, (2) by supplementing these taxes through increasing
rates for mortgage loans and stiffening terms for installment credit, (3) by
controlling capital expenditures by business and by local governments, both for
replacement and for expansion through supervising new issues of securities to
banking institutions, life insurance companies, and other financial institutions
as well as the public, and (4) curtailing capital expenditures financed out of
current earnings or accumulated surplus through (a) a stiff excess profits tax,
and (b) a heavy special tax on the purchase of machinery by enterprises not
engaged in armament production.

V. The second principle to be applied in financing current armament ex-

penditures is the preservation of the profit incentive. For this reason tax

proposals taking away a substantial part of all incomes over $5,000 or on war
profits are undesirable, but the Treasury should claim a considerable part of

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additional profits of corporations above the pre-war level by an excess profits
tax and should consider increasing the rates of direct taxation on personal incomes. Even after levying special excise taxes and the excess profits tax the
Treasury would still have the task of raising the great bulk of the cost of
armament by a levy on the income of people of moderate means.

VI. The third principle to be applied is to meet armament expenditures by
direct contributions. As an equitable manner of distributing this burden on

those of moderate means, the plan of J. M. Keynes deserves attention. This plan
substitutes for voluntary savings the principle of compulsory savings and its
object is to avoid the danger of inflation and the danger of totalitarian rationing. It would take the place of the personal income tax and would produce about

10 billion dollars with a national income at an 80 billion dollar level through

an average rate of contribution of 2% from family incomes of $1,000 to $1,500,
increasing to 25% for family incomes of $5,000 to $10,000, and reaching up to
75% for incomes over $100,000.

If between 75% and 50% of the total contribution is treated as a deferred
tax credit repayable after the war for incomes below $5,000, gradually reducing
the ratio repayable to about 10% for the highest incomes, a forced loan would be
levied of about 5 billion dollars. Among other advantages mentioned, this plan
would reduce the rise in interest rates on Treasury securities which would otherwise occur if the war were financed mainly through open market Treasury issues.
VII. The final problem is financing the new plant equipment necessary for
the production of armaments. Short term facilities would be available in commercial banks with government orders as collateral. Long term funds could be
secured by the usual method subject to the supervision of a Capital Issues Committee [or perhaps the S.E.C.] supplemented by the R.F.C. and regional industrial
banks. The danger of over-expension might be avoided by permitting owners to
charge off depreciation during the war. This is not advisable since the duration of the war can not be calculated or the extent to which the facilities can
be profitably used after the war can not be foreseen. Where new plant equipment
is adapted primarily for specific armaments, the government should have the
facilities built for its own account either to be operated by the government or
to be rented to private business, whichever is technically more efficient.

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MAY 29 1940

Secretary Morganition

Mr. Felay

Commissioner Frank delivered - April s, 1940, as address entitled
"In Time of War Prepare For Peace before the Army Industrial College is

Washington. A summary of the saliant points in the address is attached.
AS one point in his speech Commissioner Frank saids *Financing our

rent arement expenditure is essentially a fiscal problem. I will not,
therefore, attempt a detailed discussion of it. Even if I were qualified,
it would be somewhat prosumptions for me to do so." Whereuper Commissioner

Frank proceeded to a detailed discussion.

(Initialed) E. H. F., Jr.

Attachment
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DUMBAIA UE AUTHORI as COMMISSION a ACRIL DA AYAN

I. The methods of war finance adopted should be required (1) to perfers

the job with the least disturbance to ordinary financial life, and (2) to per-

form the job with a minimum of undesirable after-effects. The scope of war
finance can not be restricted to the sphere of money or finance proper. The
basic problem is to facilitate shifts in the uses of resources to produce war
supplies instead of civilian goods. Any formula of war finance must be directed toward reducing the consumption of the civilian population below its peacetime level in order that what is saved in civilian consumption can be expended
in war effort.

II. Until the stage of full employment of resources is reached preference

should be given to those methods of war finance which induce a net increase in

production and not merely a shift in production. During this period the cost

of armanent need not be met by new taxes or forced loans but mainly by borrowing

from banks and from the idle reserves of individuals. Once the level of full

productive capacity is reached, however, armanent expenditure should be financed
largely through taxes or through loans placed outside the banking system.

III. There is no basic difficulty in curtailing civilian expenditure on

consumption and capital goods to finance estimated armanent expenditures. Assuming we need to spend 15 billion dollars a year more on arnaments than we are
spending now (which is about the amount spent for a full year in the World War
including loans to the Allies@ and assuming a maxigum national income in war-

time of 80 billion dollars, the 15 billion could be derived by reducing expenditures (1) for the purchase of new automobiles and for the operation of old ones
by 2-1/2 billion, (2) on household machinery and furnishings by 2 billion, (3)

on home construction by 1/2 billion, (4) on replacements to make up for depos-

ciation in business plants by 2 billion, (5) on current civilian consumption on
non-durable goods by 3 billion, and (6) for civilian plant expansion by 5 billion.

IV. In raising the necessary funds the first principle to be observed is the

reduction of purchasing power at those points where curtailment of civilian expenditure is desired. This can be accomplished by (1) heavy excise taxes on
durable consumers' goods, particularly automobiles, gasoline, household equipment and luxury articles, (2) by supplementing these taxes through increasing
rates for mortgage loans and stiffening terms for installment credit, (3) by
controlling capital expenditures by business and by local governments, both for
replacement and for expansion through supervising new issues of securities to
banking institutions, life insurance companies, and other financial institutions
as well as the public, and (4) curtailing capital expenditures financed out of
current earnings or accumulated surplus through (a) a stiff excess profits tax,
and (b) a heavy special tax on the purchase of machinery by enterprises not
engaged in armanent production.

V. The second principle to be applied in financing current amament ex-

penditures is the preservation of the profit incentive. For this reason tax

proposals taking away a substantial part of all incomes over $5,000 or on war
profits are undesirable, but the Treasury should claim & considerable part of

additional profits of corporations above the pre-war level by an excess prefite
tax and should consider increasing the rates of direct taxation on personal incomes. Even after lavying special excise taxes and the excess profits tax the
Treasury would still have the task of raising the great bulk of the cost of
armanent by a levy on the income of people of moderate means.

VI. The third principle to be applied is to meet armanent expendituresby
direct contributions. As an equitable manner of distributing this burden on

those of moderate means, the plan of J. M. Keynee deserves attention. This plan
substitutes for voluntary savings the principle of compulsory savings and its

object is to avoid the danger of inflation and the danger of totalitarian rationing. It would take the place of the personal income tax and would produce about
10 billion dollars with a national income at an 80 billion dollar level through
an average rate of contribution of 2% from family income of $1,000 to $1,500,
increasing to 25% for family incomes of 85,000 to $10,000, and reaching up to

75% for incomes over $100,000.

If between 75% and 50% of the total contribution is treated as a deferred
tax credit repayable after the war for income below $5,000, gradually reducing
the ratio repayable to about 10% for the highest incomes, a forced loan would be
levied of about 5 billion dollars. Among other advantages mentioned, this plan
would reduce the rise in interest rates on Treasury securities which would other-

wise occur if the war were financed mainly through open market Treasury assume

VII. The final problem is financing the new plant equipment necessary for
the production of armanents. Short term facilities would be available in commercial banks with government orders as collateral. Long term funds could be
secured by the usual method subject to the supervision of a Capital Issues Committee (or perhaps the S.E.C.] supplemented by the R.F.C. and regional industrial
banks. The danger of over-expension might be avoided by permitting owners to
charge off depreciation during the war. This is not advisable since the duration of the war can not be calculated or the extent to which the facilities can
be profitably used after the war can not be foreseen. Where new plant equipment
is adapted primarily for specific armanents, the government should have the

facilities built for its own account ther to be operated by the government or
to be rented to private business, whichever is technically more efficient.

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CONFIDENTIAL
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

292

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 29, 1940.
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Cochran

Yesterday morning Mr. Lyon. in the Division of Communications of the
Department of State, telephoned me to the effect that Admiral Leahy, the
American representative on the International Hydrographic Bureau, had
arrived in New York, and was inquiring as to whether the Treasury had approved the request of the Bureau that its gold be received for earmarking in

this country. I told Mr. Lyon that the request had been acted upon, after

it had been referred by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to the Treasury

Department, and had also been discussed by the Board of Governors of the

Federal Reserve System, according to my understanding. Mr. Lyon asked if
he could tell Admiral Leahy the decision which was taken.
I telephoned Mr. Knoke's office in New York and obtained a copy of the
reply which the Federal Reserve Bank made on May 15. to the International
Hydrographic Bureau. I then called back Mr. Lyon and summarized to him the

final paragraph of the letter, a copy of which is attached. I told Mr. Lyon

that he was free to tell Admiral Leahy the reply which had been made, but

that if the Admiral desired any further information, he should get in direct
communication with Knoke of the Federal Reserve Bank. I did not feel free
to pass on to Mr. Lyon, for further communication, a copy of Mr. Knoke's
letter, as telephoned.
After lunch I gave the above information to Mr. Knoke by telephone,

who was in agreement with the steps which I had taken.

KMP

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AIRMAIL

May 15. 1940

Vice Admiral John D. Nares,

President of the Directing Committee.
International Hydrographic Burean,
Quai de Plaisance,
Monte Carlo, Monaco.

Dear Sir:

Reference is made to your letter of March 26, requesting information
regarding
the importation
the United States
of America.of gold into, and its earmarking and sale in,
In connection with your inquiries, we are enclosing for your information
a pamphlet dated June 1, 1937. issued by the United States Treasury Department

and entitled "Provisional Regulations Issued under the Gold Reserve Act of
1934"; also a table of charges at the Mints and Assay Office of the United
States as fixed by the Director of the Mints and approved by the Secretary
of the Treasury on March 19, 1936. In reply to your questions, we wish to
say that gold bars - and we confine our comments entirely to gold bars
(not gold coin) since according to your letter your reserve fund is kept
in gold bars - can be shipped to this country and sold by the consignee
to the United States Mints or Assay Office at their current purchase price
of $35 (less 1/4 of 1%) per troy ounce of fine gold less the usual Mint
charges (see article 6, sections 35.36.37.40 and 42 of the enclosed pamphlet).
The Mint charges are set forth in the enclosed table. An advance payment of
from 90 to 98% of the value of the gold is usually made immediately and the
balance is paid after the gold has been assayed. There would be certain
charges which would necessarily be incurred by the consignee in connection
with such transactions for truckage, insurance. etc., and the consignee's
handling charge. Most of our commercial banks are thoroughly familiar with
operations of this nature and would undoubtedly be glad to handle the
consignment for you.
As regards the earmarking of gold, we wish to say that such earmarking
in the United States is prohibited except under license issued with the
approval of the President by the Secretary of the Treasury (see page 16
Section 34 of the pamphlet). Only one such license has been issued and this
license authorises the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to earmark gold for
foreign central banks or foreign governments. The earmarking for non-monetary
authorities is therefore not covered by this license.
remain,Trusting

that this reply covers all the questions raised by you, we
Faithfully yours,
/s/ L. W. Knoke,
Vice President.

Received by phone from Mr. Knoke's Secretary -May 28, 1940
ka

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

294

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 29, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Mr. Cochran

I told Mr. Knoke at 9 o'clock this morning of the receipt by the Treasury
Department late last evening of the letter of May 28 from Assistant Secretary

of State Berle, enclosing a copy of communication No. 3394, from the Minister
of The Netherlands in Washington in regard to the decree issued from London on
May 24 with respect to the property of Netherlands individuals and companies
abroad. My secretary read the communication to Mr. Knoke's secretary. I explained to Mr. Knoke that I was calling him purely for the purpose of giving
him information as quickly as possible, but that a formal communication on the
subject should be awaited from our Legal Department.

At the suggestion of Mr. Bernstein, to whom the original letter was passed
on last night, I have asked Mr. Livesey of the State Department to let us have,
as soon as it may be available, the full text of the decree to which The Netherlands Minister referred.

BMR

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

295

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 29, 1940

Secretary Morgenthan

TO

FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

I asked Mr. Knoke today as to what action the Federal Reserve was ready to
take with respect to the request of the British Government that the accounts of
the Bank of England with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York be converted into
"His Britannic Majesty's Government account". I had forwarded copy of the
British Embassy memorandum on this subject to Mr. Knoke.

Mr. Knoke replied that Mr. George Harrison was in Washington today and
hoped to discuss this question with Secretary Morgenthau and the Board of
Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

Unless the Secretary may instruct us that some decision to the contrary
has been taken, I feel that we should indicate to the Federal Reserve Bank of

New York by letter, as in the case of Vatican gold, our interest in seeing an
account opened along the lines desired by the British, after the terms of such
a communication have been agreed upon by Treasury and Federal Reserve Bank
lawyers.

Knoke would like for us to indicate our degires with respect to new legislation to meet the problem which he feels confronts the New York Bank, but I
am confident that Mr. Eccles will agree with the Treasury that no legislation

is necessary. But it is for the Board, I assume, rather than for the Treasury,
to give specific advice or instructions to the Bank at New York on this point
of legislation.

BMR

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

296

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 29. 1940.
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

Mr. Irigoyen, formerly Financial Counselor to the Argentine Embassy
in Washington and now serving in the Ministry of Finance of Argentina,
telephoned me yesterday afternoon from Buenos Aires. He desired the latest
political and market information.
I summarized to Mr. Irigoyen the developments on the American security
and commodity markets, and also gave data with respect to foreign exchange,

as well as the latest ticker news on the international political situation.
In answer to Mr. Irigoyen's inquiry I told him that there was no panic
on the American market. In answer to his further inquiry, I told him that

there was no reason to expect the closing of our markets, unless something
absolutely unforeseen might happen. I admitted that there had been some
advocacy a few days ago when the situation first became quite serious, in
favor of closing our markets. I told him that the Treasury was opposed to
such steps, that nothing had been done, and that the market had taken pretty
good care of itself.
Irigoyen said there was no panic in Buenos Aires, but that they were
much disturbed over the loss of their European markets as a result of war
developments.

KMR

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PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED FROM

AMERICAN EMBASSY, LIMA, PERU, DATED MAY 29, 1940, 4 p.m.
No. 61.

Refer to your no. 49 of May 24, 4 p.m.

1. The position of principal reserve bank items, as of
May 25, 1940, is as follows:
Soles

a- Intangible gold
Gold in vault
Gold in transit
Gold abroad

Deposits payable in gold
b- Silver
c- Rediscounts to commercial
banks:

Under law 6745
Under law 7538
Under law 8512

d- Discounts to agricultural
and industrial banks
e- Discounts to treasury,
law 8612

f- Note circulation

Deposits by banks
Various deposits

Miscellaneous obligations

38,784,832
1,733,089
4,483,903
none

501,335

1,064,893
774,374
517,500

17,712,347
2,120,000
33,656,340
124,157,454
32,377,895
5,551,114
498,453

2. See Commercial Attaché's reports of February 9
( "Trends of Peruvian Foreign Commerce during 1939"), April 12
( "Trends of Peruvian Foreign Commerce in January, February 1940

and May 14 (Continued firm trend in trends of Peruvian foreig n
commerce), for the labest export and import statistics.
3. See Consul General's report dated February 27 under
Balance of International Payments of Peru for 1938, for the
most recent information regarding the earnings of American

capital.
4.

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4. The Consensus of opinion (including that of the
managers of Reserve Bank, Italian Bank and National City

Bank) is that there is very little, if any, back-log of
commercial exchange.

5. Despatch no. 109 of May 23, which 16 leaving by

air mail pouch on May 31, will contain more detailed information.
NORWEB

EA:MSG

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

297

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 29, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM Mr. Cochran

Yesterday evening Mr. Knoke telephoned me from New York requesting that

nake available to the Federal Reserve Bank any information which I might
obtain from the Department of State in regard to the Belgian Government, and
our attitude with respect thereto.

I

At 9 o'clock this morning I telephoned Mr. Lewis Clarke, in charge of the
Belgian desk in the Department of State. I told him that I had noted in the
press a report of a message delivered yesterday by the Belgian Ambassador to

Assistant Secretary of State Berle, indicating the intention of the Belgian
Embassy in this country to stand by the Belgian Government with headquarters
in France. I asked Mr. Clarke if the State Department had issued any press
communique upon the Belgian situation, or had any documents on the subject
which could be passed on to us in the Treasury, for our information and possible further transmission to the Federal Reserve Bank at New York. Clarke
said he would look into the matter.

At 9:30 Assistant Secretary of State Berle telephoned me. Mr. Clarke
evidently had mentioned my inquiry to Mr. Berle. The latter stated that he

would send me this morning a copy of the communication which the Belgian
Ambassador had delivered to him. He described the statements, which I presumed were in addition to the communication reproduced in the press, made by
the Belgian Ambassador, to the effect that the King was a prisoner, that the
Belgian Government was intact, and that the National Bank of Belgium was
functioning in Paris.

Mr. Berle stated that the question of new official recognition for
Belgium did not arise at the moment. The Department of State will continue
to have official contact with the present duly accredited Belgian Ambassador

to this country. Mr. Berle recalled that Belgian law had anticipated the pos-

sible functioning of the Government and of the National Bank of Belgium outside of Belgium, and he saw no reason to change our relations with the National
Bank of Belgium as it is now operating from Paris. In answer to my question,
Mr. Berle thought that the Treasury Department should continue its operations
with respect to Belgian assets as heretofore, consulting with the Belgian
Embassy in this city when appropriate.

Mr. Berle told me that there had not yet been a group meeting in the
Department of State on the question of the status of Belgium, its King and its
Government. Should such a conference result in any alterations in the above
views, he would let me know.

I told Under Secretary Bell at 9:45 this morning of my conversation with
Mr. Berle, and also informed Mr. Bernstein at 9:50.

RMR.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 29, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

CONFIDENTIAL

Sterling experienced an improvement today. After opening at 3.16, the
pound moved erratically during the morning trading. By noontime, it was quoted
at 3.17-1/8. In the afternoon, the rate moved steadily upward to a high of
3.20-5/8 just before the close. The closing quotation of 3.20-1/4 was 2-1/4#
higher than yesterday's closing rate.

Sales of spot sterling by the six reporting banks totaled $455,000, from

the following sources:

By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Europe and South America)

Total

1157,000
1298,000
4455,000

Purchases of spot sterling amounted to 510,000, as indicated below:
305,000

By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Far East and Europe)

$205,000

Total

510,000

The following reporting banks sold cotton bills totaling 1188,000 to the

British Control on the basis of the official rate of 4.02-1/2:
L174,000 by the Guaranty Trust Company

4,000 by the Irving Trust Company

1188,000 Total

Of the cotton bills sold by the Guaranty Trust Company, 1100,000 came from one

leading cotton broker. In all probability, this concern made substantial ship-

ments to England in the knowledge that cotton dispatched before tomorrow will not

require a British import license. Such a license will have to be obtained from
the British authorities for cotton shipped to England on or after May 30, according to a British Board of Trade order issued last Monday.

Developments in the other currencies were as follows:

The course of the French franc was similar to that of sterling. The
franc closed at .0181-5/8. Yesterday's depreciation of the franc in terms

of the pound was cancelled today, and the final cross-rate was 176.32 francs

per pound.

The Swiss franc was steady and closed at .2243.

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There was little movement in the Canadian dollar. The closing discount for that currency was 21-1/2%
The lira and the reichamark were unchanged at .0505 and .4000
respectively.
The yuan in Shanghai was unchanged at 5-1/2*.

The improvement in the Cuban peso came to a halt today, and the discount widened slightly to 8-15/16% The Mexican peso was again quoted at
.1672.

We purchased $700,000 in gold from the earmarked account of the Central Bank

of the Colombian Republic.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York received a cable from the B.I.S. request-

ing it to obtain license to transfer $1,936,000 in gold from B.I.S. Account No. 2
to the account of the National Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Gold in B.I.S.
Account No. 2 is the property of that institution. The Federal also received a
cable from the Yugoslavian bank instructing it to receive and earmark this gold.

The Treasury authorized the Federal Reserve Bank to make this transfer.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported the following shipments of gold:
$5,114,000 from Canada, shipped from Vancouver by the Bank of Canada, Ottawa, for

account of the Bank of England. This gold is consigned to the Federal
Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and it will be sold to the U. S. mint
there.

1,450,000 from Spain, shipped by the Spanish Institute of Foreign Exchange, Madrid,
to the National City Bank, New York, for sale to the U. S. Assay Office.
$6,564,000 Total

The State Department forwarded to us cables stating that the following gold
shipments would be made:

$137,000 from Hong Kong. shipped by the Chase Bank, Hong Kong, to the Chase
National Bank, New York.

33,000 from England, shipped by Sharps and Wilkins, London, to Barclays Bank,
New York.

28,000 from England, shipped by Sharps and Wilkins, London, to the Chase National
Bank, New York.

4,000 from England, shipped by the National Provincial Bank, Ltd., London, to

the Guaranty Trust Company, New York,
$202,000 Total

The above shipments will be sold to the U. S. Assay Office at New York,

CONFIDENTIAL

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3

On the report of May 22 received from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

giving the foreign exchange positions of banks and bankers in its district, the
total position of all currencies was short the equivalent of $19,129,000. an
increase of $2,712,000 in the short position. The net changes in the positions
are as follows:
COUNTRY

England
Europe
Canada

$ 4,929,000
8,181,000
641,000 (Long)

Latin America

173,000

3,441,000

Japan

Other Asia
All Others
Total

SHORT POSITION

SHORT POSITION
MAY 15

342,000

8,000 (Long)
$16,417,000

INCREASE IN

MAY 22

SHORT POSITION

$ 6,388,000

$1,459,000

8,505,000
614,000 (Long)

324,000

27,000 (Decrease in
Long Position)
48,000

221,000
3,404,000
1,099,000
126,000

757,000
134,000

$19,129,000

$2,712,000

37,000 (Decrease)

The outstanding feature of the above figures is the advance of $1,459,000 in the
sterling short position. This change was almost wholly the result of an increase
in sterling commitments of one leading New York bank.

The Bombay gold price again experienced a sharp decline. Today's dollar
equivalent was $36.81, a decrease of $1.17.

The Bombay spot silver quotation fell the equivalent of 13/16 to 44.96

According to yesterday's Department of Commerce statement of daily silver exports
and imports, two shipments of refined silver bullion totaling 196,000 ounces were
exported from New York to Bombay. These are the first exports of silver to India
that have been reported since January 22.

In London, the prices fixed for spot and forward silver were unchanged at
22d and 21-1/2d respectively. The U. S. equivalents, calculated at the open

market rate for sterling, were 31.48 and 30.52 On the basis of the official
sterling-dollar rate, the spot price was equivalent to 40.00
Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was unchanged at
35-5/8 The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was also unchanged
at 35$.

The only purchase of silver made by us today consisted of 65,000 ounces from
the Bank of Canada under our regular monthly agreement. Today's purchase raises
the total amount bought from that source during May to the agreed monthly limit
of 1,200,000 ounces.

16MR
CONFIDENTIAL

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 30, 1940

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Mr. Knoke telephoned me this noon from his home. He had received a telephone call from Mr. Bolton of the Bank of England, in which the latter stated
that he was sending Knoke a cablegram on the subject of official quotation of
sterling on the New York market. Bolton explained that this matter had been
the subject of an exchange of views between our Treasuries.

I gave Knoke for his confidential information a brief summary of our re-

cent conversations with the British Embassy which resulted from the memorandum
of May 24 in which Mr. Pinsent presented a communication from the Chancellor of
the Exchequer. We had not spoken to the Federal before on this subject, pre-

ferring not to raise the question of the official quotation alone being published, until the British shall have actually taken the steps which they

plan.

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May 30, 1940
9:33 a.m.

Operator:

Go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Sen. Robert
Wagner:

Henry?

H.M.Jr:

Yes, Bob.

W:

Good morning.

H.M.Jr:

Good morning.

W:

Say, I was going to ask you this. We've got

this thing before our Committee, you know,
among other things -- a number of things and
of $300 million, you
know? You know what I mean?

H.M.Jr:

Ah, $700 million.

W:

Well, this particular bill involves $300 million.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah.

W:

Now, there're some amendments coming. In

view of the fact that you're going to increase
your debt limit do you think that you want that
anyway?

H.M.Jr:
W:

Gosh, I'd have to ask the President on that.

Yeah. Well, then I'll go along anyway until
I get word from you that there should be a
change. Is that it?

H.M.Jr:

You'll continue to go along.

W:

Yes, I'll continue to go along on the bill.
You see, we got it up this morning in the

Committee.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah. I'd go along -- ah --

W:

Unless I hear from you.

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-2H.M.Jr:
W:

That's right.
I'll tell you why. Some of the members of
the Committee said to me yesterday -- ah -well, if you're going to increase this debt
limit by $3 billion, what do you want this
for?

H.M.Jr:

I understand.
We have a lot of argument about bookkeeping

W:

and all that, but I'm prepared to go along

with it, Henry, -- ah -- if you want it.
H.M.Jr:

Well, Bob, I'd continue shoving the bill until

W:

All right.

H.M.Jr:
W:

H.M.Jr:
W:

I get a chance to talk to the President.
Thank you.

All right.
Thank you.
Good-bye.

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May 30, 1940
4:03 p.m.

John

Sullivan:

Yes? Wait a minute.

Operator:

Go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

S:

Yes, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:

Have you got some information for me?

S:

H.M.Jr:

No. I was going to ask you, sir, if that
extra billion dollars was to go into our
figures. You told
They don't know because the Navy's in there

now trying to figure it out, so Danny Bell
of the Budget and it won't go up until noon
tomorrow anyway so I'll have to say -- well,

will try -- have to get it from the Director
they'11 say what about this other, and what

I think I'll have to say is, well, I understand
-- I understand it's going to be for a billion

dollars or whatever it's going to be.
S:

Then your statement today would be that it'11
be this much exclusive of any other appropriations now being considered.

H.M.Jr:

That's right.

S:

Right-o.

H.M.Jr:

That's right.

S:

Thank you, sir.

H.M.Jr:
S:

And get it to me tonight at the house so I can
practice reading it.
Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Please.

S:

Right.

-2H.M.Jr:

S:

And will you take the responsibility of telling

Bell when he comes back from the Hill to try
to find out either tonight or tomorrow morning?
Mr.
wantBell
him--toMr.
findBell
outis here now. And you

H.M.Jr:

Let me talk to him, please.

S:

Yes. (Aside) Mr. Bell, the Secretary.

Daniel

Bell:

Bell.

H.M.Jr:

Dan.

B:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

B:

305

Harold Smith told me the first he knew about
this extra Army appropriation of $700 million
was when he heard it on the radio last night

That's right. I understood that.

H.M.Jr:

and that they are now in with the President
and Navy arguing about their appropriation.

B:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

Now Harold said he'd know either tonight or

tomorrow morning how much it took. Now inasmuch

as the President certainly doesn't go up until
noon, I'll just have to leave mine as is and
simply say if anyone should ask me, I understand
that it's going to be in the neighborhood of 80
and 80 much.

B:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

Do you see?

B:

This is on the basis of what's now pending in
Congress.

H.M.Jr:

That's right.

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-3B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

And
-- but I understood today that it's gone
up that's the reason

No, no, no. There's nothing there. Harold's
sitting there tearing his hair out.
(Laughs)
handle
it. All right, I think that's the way to
Aren't you glad you're in the Treasury?

I am -- I'm very much relieved. I even don't

mind working today.
H.M.Jr:

O. K. (Laughs)

B:

Thank you.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

m

307

DATE May 30, 1940
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Mr. Cochran

There is quoted herewith the following item which appeared in the press
under a New York date line of May 29:
"The German consulate general announced yesterday that American

holders of 5 1/2 per cent International Loan Bonds of 1930 (Young
Plan) would be paid settlements on their coupons June 1.

'The purchase price,' said the consulate, 'will be $20 per $27.50

face amount of the coupon.'

The previous payment was last December 1.

Payments will be made, it was announced by J. P. Morgan & Co.,
Inc., or by any of the American offices of the Hamburg-American Line."

It may be that the transfer which we have spoken of recently involving

$9,000,000 coming from Italian account to the German Consul General in New
York may have been in part to provide for this service on German bonds held by

American citizens.

From various sources it is indicated that Germany is repurchasing to some
limited extent some of its securities on the American market, such as the Dawes
and Young bonds. The prices therefor have recently risen. If the American
holders are anxious to sell, this gives them a small market. Furthermore,
Germany continues to transfer dollars on account of the Lee Higginson credit
and under the "Standstill" arrangement.
Sometime ago the report was current that the Germans, perhaps through

Westric, were offering Latin American securities to United States holders of
German securities, upon the condition that a certain amount of free dollars be
provided by the United States holders in making the trade. Insofar as my contacts know, there has been no important business of this sort transacted.

to m/f.

308
Office of the Under Secretary
TREASURY DEPARTMENT

To

SECRETARY MORGENTHAU

This is a reply to Mr. Welles
upon which Messre. Viner,
Cochran and I have agreed,

with the belief that such an
answer is preferable to a
conference.

0

www
Under Secretary.
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MAY 30 1940

My dear Summer:

I appreciate fully the weight of the considerations presented in
your letter of May 23 in favor of giving financial assistance to the
economies of the Latin American countries in the present emergency,

and I as in principle varaly sympathetic to each action. In the light,

however, of the stated purposes of the Stabilization Fund, of my pledges
to Congress as to the manner in which I would administer this Fund, and
of the possible emergency demands which the Fund may at any moment be

called upon to meet, I still find myself wholly unable to give my
sanction to the use of the Fund for the above purpose, especially since
the availability of other and more regular procedures for accomplishing
the objectives which you contemplate still remains unexplared. The

Congress is in session and has shown itself ready to give prompt and
sympathetic consideration to requests from the Administration for action
to meet present emergency developments. It seems to no that the proper
procedure would be to ask the Congress to authorise financial assistance
to the Latis American countries out of funds to be specially appropriated
for the purpose, and is confermity with such lines of policy and such
limitations and safeguards as the Administration and the Gongress can
agree upon. The Treasury Department would be happy to cooperate with
your Department in the drafting of the legislation which would be
necessary.

May I also make it clear once more that if any concrete preposals
should reach me for use of the Stabilisation Fund in aiding particular
Latin American countries to maintain stability of the exchange value of

their currencies vis-e-vis the dollar, I would give the most sympathetic
consideration to such proposals in so far as they could be carried out in

confernity with the stated purposes for which the Fund was set up and
consistently with the principles which have hitherto governed the ad-

sinistration of the Fund.

Yours very sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau. Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

By Messenger

The Monorable
Summer Welles,

Under Secretary of State.

AM. HMG:enk15. 29.40 awB

MAY 30 1940
My dear Summer:

I appreciate fully the weight of the considerations presented in
your letter of May 23 in favor of giving financial assistance to the
economies of the Latin American countries in the present emergency,

and I an in principle early sympathetic to such action. In the light,

however, of the stated purposes of the Stabilisation Fund, of my pledges
to Gongress as to the manner in which I would administer this Fund, and
of the possible emergency demands which the Fund may at any moment be

called upon to meet, I still find ayeelf wholly unable to give any

sanction to the use of the Fund for the above purpose, especially since
the availability of other and more regular procedures for accomplishing
the objectives which you contexplate still remains unexplored. The
Congress is in session and has shown itself ready to give prompt and
sympathetic consideration to requests from the Administration for action
to meet present emergency developments. It seems to as that the proper
procedure would be to ask the Congress to authorise financial assistance
to the Latis American countries out of funds to be specially appropriated
for the purpose, and in confermity with such lines of policy and such
limitations and safeguards as the Administration and the Congress can

agree upon. The Treasury Department would be happy to cooperate with

your Department in the drafting of the legislation which would be

necessary.

May I also make it clear once more that if any concrete preposals
should reach me for use of the Stabilisation Fund in aiding particular
Latia American countries to maintain stability of the exchange value of
their currencies vis-a-vis the dollar, I would give the most sympathetic
consideration to such proposals in so far as they could be carried out is
confermity with the stated purposes for which the Fund me set up and
consistently with the principles which have hitherto governed the administration of the Fund.
Yours very sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

The Honorable
Summer Welles,

Under Secretary of State.

By Messenger

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COMMUNCATIONSTO

THE SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON, D.C.

311

WASHINGTON

May 23, 1940
DWB
DEPARTMENT
OF STATE
S

Personal and

Confidential

My dear Henry:

In view of the rapid developments in Europe of the
past few weeks, the Department has been giving renewed

consideration to the repercussions which these developments may be expected to have on the economies of the

other American republics, their influence on commercial
and financial relationships between the United States
and the other American republics, and the resulting effects
on the domestic economic structure of the United States.
Prior to the war Europe had provided a market for more
than half of the exports of the other American republics,

and the shutting off or change in character of such a
large market may be expected to result in financial
demoralization, with producers unable to sell their
products, foreign currencies not available to pay for
needed imports, exchange weakness, and severe fiscal

difficulties.
It
The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury.

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It is the Department's belief that the United States
Government should undertake to assist the other American

republica in the face of such a situation, both in
keeping with our broad program of inter-American economic

cooperation and with a view to mitigating the effects on
the domestic economy of the United States of economic dis-

location in the other American republics. The maintenance
of stability in the Western Hemisphere is rendered
especially important by recent events in Europe, and in

the other American republica political stability is greatly
influenced by the state of economic well-being.
In order to cushion the shocks mentioned above and

to bridge the immediate situation, there is required
speedy and extensive action to cooperate with and assist
the fiscal and monetary authorities of the other American
republica. The agency best equipped to undertake rapid
measures to make dollar funds available under appropriate
conditions to such authorities would appear to be the
Stabilization Fund.

It is the view of the Department that such assistance

is primarily of short term and transitional benefit,
and that lasting improvement in the economic situation

of the other American republics will result only from the
successful

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successful execution of long run projects which will
develop their natural resources and national economies.
To this end, efforts must be made to move rapidly with
the several projects of this type now being considered
by this Government.

I fully understand the position you have taken that
in view of all the many circumstances involved the Stabilization Fund should not enter into operations of this kind.
And I also realize that you feel that you have made a
commitment in this regard to the Senate and House Banking
and Currency Committees. Events, however, have moved 80

rapidly in the international situation and with possibilities of such serious consequences, that I wonder whether

you would not be willing to consider a reexamination of
these matters in the light of present circumstances.
In any event, after you have had time to think over
this letter, and when you have a free moment, I would welcome the opportunity of talking with you personally about
the question.
Believe me

Your s very sincerely,

With

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GRAY

Milon

Dated May 30, 1940

Rec'd 7:55 p.m.

Secretary of State
Washington

48, May 30, 10 p.m.
Market index 221.07. Volume 72,425.

Today's prices generally lower but sustained
at close foreshadoving possible awaited improvement.
SHOLES
KLP

315

MA

GRAY

Copenhagen

Dated May 30, 1940

Rec'd 7:27 a.m.

Secretary of State
Washington

322, May 30, noon.

Supplementing bill to Danish foreign Exchange
control law passed by Parliament on May 20 represents

mobilization of all Danish foreign Exchange reserves
by demanding that commercial Enterprises and all
citizens domiciled in Denmark offer any foreign Exchange
held by them here or abroad to the National Bank with
compensation in Danish kroner.
Inform Commerce.
ATHERTON
RR

316

MA

GRAY

Paris

Dated May 30, 1940
REC'D 5 p.m.

Secretary of State
Washington

960, May 30, 6 p.m. (SECTION ONE).
FOR THE TREASURY.

As member of my staff discussed Evacuation plans

with Pearce of the National City Bank and Saint Germa n

of the Guaranty Trust this afternoon. They said that a
decentralized scheme had been evolved by the Ban't of France

and the Ministry of Finance which provides that in the
EVENT of the Evacuation of Paris their various sections
and departments are to be scattered throughout the area
to the south and WEST of Vichy. The Guaranty, Morgan
and the National City Bank have been assigned a chatevu
at Chatal - Guyon Department de Puy-de-Dome where the

foreign Exchange office is to be located. The Chase Bank
would be in the same nEighborhood. The American banks

would also have representatives at LE Puy. The Paris
Bourse would be transferred to Vichy. PERFOE said that

the National City had started to send typewriters, adding

machines, Et cetera to the South as he felt that it
would be impossible to have any Equipment moved if an
Evacuation of Paris were ordered.
BULLITT
KLP

317
ATP

GRAY

PARIS

Dated May 30, 1940

Rec'd 6:10 p.m.

Secretary of State
Washington

960, May 30, 6 pm (SECTION TWO)

A decree published in today's Journal Official
outlines the procedure to be followed by French
residents in the EVENT that their securities are
lost or stolen because of the war. In the case of
French bearer securities the owner must send by

registered mail to the Entity which issued the
securities a certified statement containing (A)

a full description of the securities, (b) the
circumstances under which they were lost or stolen,
and (c) a protest against the dividends or coupons

being paid to any other person. A copy of this
statement must also be sent to the Bourse Stock-

brokers Association which will then publish it in the
Bulletin Official DES Oppositions for the period of the
war and in the year following the termination of

hostilities. If the stolen or lost securities were
deposited in 1 bank the owner must furnish the issuing

entity with the deposit receipt received from the
bank.

a statement

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#960

May 30

6:10 pm

from Paris

A statement similar to that described DOVE must be

sent to the fiscal agents in France charged with the
servicing of foreign bearer securities.
KLP

BULLITT

319
ATP

GRAY

Paris

Dated May 30, 1940
Rec'd 4 pm

Secretary of State,
Washington

960, May 30, 6 pm (SECTION THREE)

d second decree provides that bills of Exchange,
notes and warrents may be protested for non-payment

any time within a period of 15 days following the
date on which they fell due. Heretofore protests had
to be made not later than the day following the date
of maturity.
In a note to intermediaries the foreign Exchange
office stipulates that the decree requiring the
deposit of American and Canadian securities (SEE

telegram No. 786. May 21, 7 pm) is also applicable to
securities issued in other foreign countries which
contain a clause providing for an optional payment in
American or Canadian dollars.
Bank of France statement for the WEEK ending May

16 shows that commercial discounts increased sharply

by 8 billion francs. Thirty day advances rose by 1 1/2
billion. The Treasury drew up to advance account with

the bank to the extent of 3 1/2 billion francs. Note
circulation rose by 564 million francs to a total of
166,696 million.

Market

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May 30, 1940

4 pm

from Paris

Market declined slightly today. Rentes lost an
If
average of 50 centimes. Most French securities
w
registered moderate declines. Internationals were
Irregular. Suez lost 470 as contrasted wi th an increase
Did

of 100 in yesterday's trading.
(END MESSAGE)

BULLITT
KLP

321

May 30, 1940
4:08 p.m.

Operator:

Go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

Hello. Hello.

Operator:

He was on there, just a second.

William
McReynolds:

McReynolds.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah. Hello Mac.

McR:

Lester Knudsen wanted to know if it would be

H.M.Jr:

possible for him to see you at half past five.
No. It would not.

McR:

Will you have any time this evening?

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'm just shot, Mac.

McR:

Oh.

H.M.Jr:

Ah -- and

McR:

Well, maybe it's just as well. We can wait.

H.M.Jr:

Oh, I tell you what I'd like to do. Is he with

McR:

Yes, I've got the whole Commission in.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I mean, I'm just completely shot, I mean,

McR:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

ah, what I'd like to do is to see you at
9:00 o'clock Monday morning that's what I'd
like to do.
that far off.
No. I mean, I'm going on the Hill to testify.

McR:

H.M.Jr:

you now -- in the room with you.

these fellows come down and

Mr. Edsel Ford comes in at 8:45 tomorrow
morning.

322

-2McR:

Oh, I see.

H.M.Jr:

Tell them that Edsel Ford at 8:45 tomorrow
morning, 10:00 o'clock on the Hill and then

Cabinet, but I'll be ready at 9:00 o'clock

Monday morning.
McR:

Monday morning, O. K. We'll do it on that
basis.

H.M.Jr:

What?

McR:

H.M.Jr:

We'll do it on that basis.
Well, will he be in?

McR:

Well, I don't know whether he'll be back here

then or not, but I'll let you know, I'll get

word to you as quick as he gets his plans

made here. I'll get word to you

H.M.Jr:

Do you think I'm making a mistake? I'm really -I'm completely shot.

McR:

No, no.

H.M.Jr:

What?

McR:

That's all right.

H.M.Jr:

What?

McR:

No, by all means. It's quite all right. Well,
you -- I'll get word to you tomorrow if he can

be available on Monday morning at whatever time
H.M.Jr:

At 9:00 o'clock.

McR:

O. K.

H.M.Jr:

At 9:00 and you can -- who'11 come over here to
take this machine tool thing off my hands Monday?

McR:

Well, he'll either be here or someone
I think, I think he's planning -- I'll talk to
him about it and I think he planning to be here
for both of those appointments.

323

-3H.M.Jr:

I see. Well, I think if we'd start at 9:00
and then we can talk then with him, unless
you think I'm making a mistake. I'm going
home and go to bed.

McR:

Well, go ahead.

H.M.Jr:

All right. Good-bye.

McR:

Good-bye.

324

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 30, 1940
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Mr. Cochran

Mr. Leroy-Beaulieu, Financial Counselor of the French Embassy, called on me
yesterday at 3 p.m. He gave me some information which his Government had inter-

cepted which he thought might be of use to us in controlling foreign assets held
in the United States. I passed this information on to our Committee on freezing,
when we met yesterday evening.

Leroy-Beaulieu discussed with me the question of disposing of American securities on this market once the French Government has finished its present plan
for taking over such securities held by French citizens. I gained the impression
that the French would be desirous of following a plan similar to that employed by
the British Government, perhaps utilizing the branch in New York of the Societe
General of France as the depository for the securities.

My visitor asked if we had heard the report that Russian and German counter:iting experts who had been employed several years ago by the Soviet in the
counterfeiting operations which involved Dozenberg and others, have now been
hired by the Gestapo to falsify American bank notes. I told him that we had received gossip some weeks ago to the effect that there might be counterfeiting
of American currency in Berlin, but that we had obtained no substantiating
evidence thereof. (I passed this information on to Chief Wilson some weeks ago
when Mr. Pinsent mentioned to me the gossip herein referred to.) Leroy-Beaulieu
asked further if I was of the opinion that the Germans were buying up their own
obligations on the American market. He thought they might be doing this in their
supreme confidence as to the outcome of the war, which naturally should tend to
improve German securities.

Mr. Pinsent, Financial Counselor of the British Embassy, telephoned me this
noon. He asked if Secretary Morgenthau had indicated to me whether he would be
receptive to an approach by Pinsent looking to the borrowing of dollars against

American securities held by the British authorities as collateral. I told him

that I had mentioned the subject to the Secretary in a memorandum. Pinsent is
convinced that the French will now proceed toward taking over eventually the
American securities held by French citizens. He expects Leroy-Beaulieu to talk
directly with Mr. Gifford next week with respect to means for disposing of such
securities on this market. Pinsent emphasized the necessity of the two governments following a common plan of action, and was of the opinion that the French
plan, and perhaps part of the machinery, would be identical with that of the British
as far as their New York operations are concerned.

AMR

Return to aim canny
PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

325

m

FROM: American Legation, La Paz, Bolivia.
DATE: May 30, 1940, 6 p.m.

NO. 43

Bell??

I have been requested by the Minister for Foreign

Affairs to inform the Department by telegraph that the
Federal Reserve Bank of New York, as requested by
Banco Mercantile and possibly by Banco Nacional as

part owners, is holding up a shipment of gold which
arrived in New York recently from London, although the

gold is for the account of Banco de Bolivia and orders
have been issued by the Bolivian Government for the

return of the whole shipment to Bolivia immediately

as a national asset. In addition, the Minister stated
that it was the intention of the Government to return
the privately-owned gold to the commercial banks concerned

upon its arrival in Bolivia. It is alleged by the Minister
that a delay in shipment would result in loss to the Govern-

ment of Bolivia; it is his belief that interference in
New York would not be legal.

It is my understanding that the Bolivian Minister at
Washington has received instructions to intervene and to
make an effort to have the shipment released. I expressed

to the Minister of Foreign Affairs my willingness to transmit
to

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to the Department by telegraph the j1st of his remarks.

I added that, however, it would seem to be a judicial
matter and I was afraid the Department would not be able
to intervene.
Despatch no. 234 from the Legation, dated May 29,

1940, sent via air mail, contained a complete, detailed
report on the situation and action by commercial banks.
The understanding is that it is desired by commercial

banks in Bolivia to convert into dollars in New York, and

to invest there, their share of the gold, rather than
hold it sterile in Bolivia where it might be seized
by the Government.

It is alleged that the Government's reason for

returning the gold is that, in view of the possibility
that the United States may enter the war, it would be

safer in Bolivia, although fears that some action
might be taken by (?) towards embargoing Banco Central's

gold under some interpretation of the loan contract of
1922 seem to have had some influence.

EA :MEG

327

76TH CONGRESS
3D SESSION

H. R. 9966

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
MAY 30, 1940

Mr. DOUGHTON introduced the following bill: which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

A BILL
To provide for the expenses of national preparedness by raising

revenue and issuing bonds, to provide a method for paying
for such bonds, and for other purposes.
1

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-

2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

TITLE I

3

4 SEC. 1. SHORT TITLE.
5

This Act may be cited as the Revenue Act of 1940.

6 SEC. 2. INCOME TAX.
7

Chapter I of the Internal Revenue Code is amended by

8 inserting after section 14 the following new section:
9 "SEC. 15. SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.
10

"In the case of any taxpayer, the amount of tax payable

2

1 under this chapter for any taxable year beginning after De-

2 cember 31, 1939, and before January 1, 1945, shall be 10
3 per centum greater than the amount of tax which would be

4 payable if computed without regard to this section. In no
5 case shall the effect of this section be to increase the tax
6 computed without regard to this section by more than 10
7 per centum of the difference between the net income and such

8 tax. For the purposes of this section, the tax computed
9 without regard to this section shall be such tax after the ap-

10 plication of the credit for taxes provided in section 31, and
11 the credit provided in section 32 for taxes withheld under

12 section 143 (a) or 144 with respect to tax-free covenant
13 bonds."
14 SEC. 3. RATES OF WITHHOLDING.
15

Section 143 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

16 by inserting at the end thereof the following new subsection:
17

18

"(h) RATES UNTIL JANUARY 1945.-For the period
after June 25, 1940, and before January 1, 1945, the rates

19 provided in this section and section 144 of 10 per centum and

20 15 per centum shall be 11 per centum and 161 per centum,
21 respectively. This subsection and section 15 shall not apply

22 in any case where its application would be contrary to any
23 treaty obligation of the United States."
e

24 SEC. 4. PERSONAL HOLDING COMPANIES.
25

Section 500 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

3

1 by inserting "(a) GENERAL RULE.-" before the first para-

2 graph and inserting at the end thereof the following new
3 subsection:
4

"(b) SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.-In the case of any

5 taxpayer, the amount of tax payable under this subchapter
6 for any taxable year beginning after December 31, 1939,
7 and before January 1, 1945, shall be 10 per centum greater
8 than the amount of tax which would be payable if computed
9 without regard to this subsection."
10

11

SEC. 5. EXCESS-PROFITS TAX.

Section 600 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

12 by inserting " '(a) GENERAL RULE.-" before the first para13

graph and by inserting at the end of such section the follow-

14 ing new subsection:
15

"(b) SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.-In the case of any

16 taxpayer, the amount of tax payable under this section for
17 any income-tax taxable year ending after June 30, 1940, and

18 before July 1, 1945, shall be 10 per centum greater than
19 the amount of tax which would be payable if computed with20 out regard to this subsection."
21 SEC. 6. CAPITAL STOCK TAX.
22

Section 1200 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

23 by inserting at the end thereof the following new subchapter:
24

"(c) SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.-For the year end-

25 ing June 30, 1940, and for the four succeeding years ending

4

1 June 30, the rates provided in subsections (a) and (b) shall

2 be $1.10 in lieu of $1."
3 SEC. 7. ESTATE TAX.
4

Chapter III of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

5 by inserting at the end thereof the following new subchapter:

6 "SUBCHAPTER C-SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS
7 "SEC. 951. SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.
8

"In the case of a decedent dying after the date of the

9 enactment of the Revenue Act of 1940 and before the expira-

10 tion of five years after such date, the total amount of tax
11 payable under this chapter shall be 10 per centum greater
12 than the amount of tax which would be payable if computed
13 without regard to this section. For the purposes of this sec-

14 tion, the tax computed without regard to this section shall
15 be such tax after the application of the credits provided for
16 in section 813 and section 936."
17 SEC. 8. GIFT TAX.
18

Section 1001 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

19 by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:
20

" (d) SUPER-TAX FOR 1940-1945.-Despite the pro-

21 visions of subsection (a) 22

23

24

25

"

(1) The tax for each of the calendar years 1941

to 1945, both inclusive, shall be an amount equal to
the excess of" "(A) 110 per centum of a tax, computed in

5

accordance with the Rate Schedule hereinbefore

1

set forth, on the aggregate sum of the net gifts

2

3

4

for such calender year and for each of the preceding calendar years, over

"(B) 110 per centum of a tax, computed in

5

6

7

8

9

accordance with the said Rate Schedule, on the
aggregate sum of the net gifts for each of the preceding calendar years.

" (2) The tax for the calendar year 1940 shall be

10

the sum of (A) the tax computed under subsection

11

(a), plus (B) an amount which bears the same ratio

12

to 10 per centum of the tax so computed as the amount

13

of gifts made after the date of the enactment of this

14

Act bears to the total amount of gifts made during the

15

year. For the purposes of this paragraph, the term

16

'gifts' does not include gifts which, under section 1003

17

(b) (2), are not to be included in computing the total

18

amount of gifts made during the year, or gifts which,

19

in the case of a citizen or resident, are allowed as a

20

deduction by section 1004 (a) (2), or gifts which, in

21

the case of a nonresident not a citizen of the United

22

States, are allowed as a deduction by section 1004 (b).'

23

24

SEC. 9. TAX ON TRANSFERS TO AVOID INCOME TAX.

Section 1250 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

6

1 by inserting "(a) GENERAL RULE.-" before the first para-

2 graph and inserting at the end thereof the following new
3 subsection:
4

"(b) SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.-In the case of any

5 transfer during the period beginning on the day following the
6 date of the enactment of the Revenue Act of 1940 and before

7 July 1, 1945, the rate provided in subsection (a) shall be
8 271 per centum in lieu of 25 per centum."
9 SEC. 10. CONTINUATION OF EXCISE TAXES.
10

Sections 1801, 1802, 3403 (f) (1), 3452, 3460 (a),

11 3465, 3481 (b), and 3482 of the Internal Revenue Code,
12 as amended, are amended by striking out "1941" wherever
13 appearing therein and inserting in lieu thereof "1945".
14 SEC. 11. MISCELLANEOUS EXCISES.
15

The Internal Revenue Code is amended by inserting at

16 the end of chapter 9 the following new chapter:
17

"CHAPTER 9A-SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE

18

YEARS

19 "SEC. 1650. SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.
20

"In lieu of the rates of the tax specified in such of the
21 following sections of this title as are set forth in the following
22 table, the rates applicable with respect to the period beginning

23 July 1, 1940, and ending June 30, 1945, shall be the rates
24 therein set forth under the heading 'Super-tax Rate':

7

Old rate

Super-tax rate

Box seats

10 percent.

Sales outside box office
Cabaret

10 percent

11 percent.
11 percent.

1 1/2 cents

2 cents.

Dues

10 percent
10 percent

11 percent.

"Section

1700 (b)
1700 (c)
1700 (e)

1710 (a) (1)
1710 (a) (2)

Description of tax

11 percent.

1804

Initiation fees
Corporate securities
Capital stock
Capital stock
Capital stock
Capital stock
Insurance policies

1806

Passage tickets

1806

Passage tickets
Passage tickets
Safe-deposit boxes
Pistols and revolvers
Wholesalers in liquor

10 percent.
10 percent.

11 percent.

$100

$110.

Retailers in liquor

$25

$27.50.

3250 (c)
3250 (c)

Brewers
Brewers

$100

$110.

$50

$55.

3250 (d)

Wholesalers in malt liquors

$50

$55.

3250 (e)

Retailers

$20

$22.

3250 (e) (3)
3250 (f) (1)
3250 (f) (1)
3250 (j)
3250 (j)
3400 (1)

Special cases

$2

$2.20.

Rectifiers

$200

$220.

Rectifiers

$100

$110.

Stills

$50

$55.

Stills

$20

$22.

Tires

21/2 cents

21/2 cents.

3400 (2)

Tubes

4 cents

4 1/2 cents.

3401

Toilet preparations
Automobile truck chassis, etc
Automobiles

10 percent.
2 percent
3 percent
2 percent
5 percent
5 percent
10 percent.

1801

1802 (a)

1802 (a)
1802 (b)
1802 (b)

1806

1850 (a)

2700 (a)

3250 (a) (1)
3250 (b)

3403 (a)

3403 (b)
3404

Parts
Radios

3405

Mechanical refrigerators

3407

Firearms
Matches

3403 (c)

3409

10 cents
10 cents
2 cents
4 cents

11 cents.
11 cents.
3 cents.
5 cents.

5 cents

6 cents.

3 cents

4 cents.

$1

$1.10.

$3

$3.30.

$5

$5.50.

11 percent.

11 percent.
21/2 percent.
3 1/2 percent.
21/2 percent.
51/2 percent.
5 1/2 percent.

11 percent.

5 cents

5 1/2 cents.

3 1/2 percent.

3411

Electrical energy

3 percent

3412

Gasoline

1 cent

1 1/2 cents.

3413

Lubricating oils
Transportation of oil

4 cents

4 1/2 cents.

4 percent

4 1/2 percent.

Transfer of bonds

4 cents

5 cents.

Conveyances

50 cents

55 cents."

3460 (a) (1), (2),
and (3).
3481 (a)
3482

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1 SEC. 12. ADMISSIONS TAX.
2

Section 1700 (a) (1) of the Internal Revenue Code,

3 as amended, is amended by striking out "until July 1, 1941,

4 is less than 41 cents" and inserting in lieu thereof "until
5 July 1, 1940, is less than 41 cents, and after June 30, 1940,
6 and before July 1, 1945, is less than 31 cents" and by strik7 ing out "is less than 41 cents, until July 1, 1941" and insert-

8 ing in lieu thereof "is less than 41 cents until July 1, 1940,
9 and is less than 31 cents after June 30, 1940, and before
10 July 1, 1945".
11 SEC. 13. TOBACCO, SNUFF, CIGARS, AND CIGARETTES.
12

Subchapter A of chapter 15 of the Internal Revenue

13 Code is amended by inserting at the end thereof the follow14 ing new sections:
15 "SEC. 2004. SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.
16

"In lieu of the rates of the tax specified in such of the

17 following sections of this title as are set forth in the following
18 table, the rates applicable with respect to the period begin-

19 ning July 1, 1940, and ending June 30, 1945, shall be the

9

1 rates therein set forth under the heading 'Super-tax Rate':
Old rate

Description of tax

"Section

Super-tax rate

2000 (a) (1)
2000 (a) (2)

Snuff

2000 (b)

Snuff flour

18 cents

21 cents.
21 cents.
21 cents.

Cigars

75 cents

871/2 cents.

2000 (c) (1)
2000 (c) (1)
2000 (c) (1)
2000 (c) (1)
2000 (c) (1)
2000 (c) (1)
2000 (c) (2)
2000 (c) (2)
2000 (d)
2000 (d)

Tobacco

Cigars
Cigars
Cigars
Cigars
Cigars

Cigarettes
Cigarettes

Cigarette paper
Cigarette paper

18 cents
18 cents

$2

$2.33 1/2.

$3

$3.50.

$5

$5.83%

$10.50

$12.25.

$13.50

$15.75.

$3

$3.50.

$7.20

$8.40.

1/2 cent

1/2 cent.

1 cent

1% cents.

2 "SEC. 2005. FLOOR STOCKS TAX.

"(a) FLOOR STOCKS TAX-Upon all the articles sub-

3

4 ject to tax under subsection (a), (b), or (c) of section
5 2000 which on July 1, 1940, are held by any person for
6 sale otherwise than in retail stocks, there shall be levied,
7 collected, and paid a floor stocks tax at a rate equal to the
8 increase in rate of tax made applicable to such articles by
9 section 2004.
10

11

"(b) RETURNS.-Every person required by this section
to pay any floor stocks tax, under such regulations as the

12 Commissioner with the approval of the Secretary shall pre-

10

1 scribe, shall, on or before August 1, 1940, make a return
2 and pay such tax.
3

"(e) LAWS APPLICABLE.-All provisions of law, in-

4 cluding penalties, applicable in respect of the taxes imposed

5 by section 2000 shall, insofar as applicable and not incon6 sistent with this section, be applicable with respect to the

7 floor stocks tax imposed by subsection (a), except that in
8 the case of articles held by manufacturers and importers the
9

10

Commissioner may collect the tax with respect to all or part
of such articles by means of stamp rather than return, and in

11 such case may make an assessment against such manufac-

12 turer or importer having tobacco tax stamps on hand July 1,

13 1940, for the difference between the amount paid for such
14

stamps and the increased rates specified in section 2004."

15

SEC.14. DISTILLED SPIRITS.

16

17

(a) Section 2800 of the Internal Revenue Code is
amended by inserting at the end thereof the following new

18 subsections:
19

" "(g) SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.-In lieu of the

20 rates of the tax specified in such of the following sections
21 of this title as are set forth in the following table, the rates

22 applicable with respect to the period beginning July 1,
23 1940, and ending June 30, 1945, shall be the rates therein
24 set forth under the heading "Super-tax Rate':

11

"Section

2800 (a) (1)
2800 (a) (1)
2800 (a) (3)
2800 (a) (5)

Old rate

Description of tax

Super-tax rate

Distilled spirits generally

$2.25

Brandy

$2

$2.75.

$2.25

$3.

30 cents

40 cents.

Imported perfumes
Rectifying

$3.

'(h) FLOOR STOCKS TAX.

1

'(1) Upon all distilled spirits produced in or im-

2

ported into the United States upon which the internal-

3

4

revenue tax imposed by law has been paid, and which
on July 1, 1940, are held by any person and intended

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

for sale or for use in the manufacture or production of

any article intended for sale, there shall be levied,
assessed, collected, and paid a floor stocks tax of 75 cents

on each proof-gallon, and a proportionate tax at a like
rate on all fractional parts of such proof-gallon.

"(2) Every person required by this subsection to

12

pay any floor stocks tax under such regulations as the

13

Commissioner, with the approval of the Secretary, shall

14

prescribe, shall, on or before August 1, 1940, make a

15

return and pay such tax. Payment of the tax shown to be

16

due may be extended to a date not later than February 1,

17

1941, upon the filing of a bond for payment thereof in

18

such form and amount and with such surety or sureties

19

as the Commissioner, with the approval of the Secretary,

20

may prescribe.

12

"(3) All provisions of law, including penalties, ap-

1
2

3

4

5

6

plicable in respect of internal-revenue taxes on distilled

spirits shall, insofar as applicable and not inconsistent
with this subsection, be applicable in respect of the floor
stocks taxes imposed hereunder."

(b) The third paragraph of section 2887 of the Internal

7 Revenue Code (relating to drawback on distilled spirits) is
8

9

amended by striking out "but shall not exceed a rate of $2.25

(or, in the case of brandy, $2)" and inserting in lieu thereof

10 "but shall not exceed a rate of $3 (or, in the case of brandy,
11 $2.75) ".
12 SEC. 15. WINES AND FERMENTED LIQUORS.
13

Chapter 26 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended by

14 inserting at the end thereof the following new subchapter:

15 "SUBCHAPTER F-SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS
16

17

"SEC. 3190. SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.

"In lieu of the rates of the tax specified in such of the

18 following sections of this title as are set forth in the follow-

19 ing table, the rates applicable with respect to the period
20 beginning with the day following the date of enactment of
21 the Revenue Act of 1940, and ending June 30, 1945, shall

22 be the rates therein set forth under the heading 'Super23 tax Rate':

13

Old rate

Description of tax

"Section

3030 (a) (1) (A)
3030 (a) (1) (A)
3030 (a) (1) (A)
3030 (a) (2)
3030 (a) (2)
3030 (a) (2)
3031 (a)
3150 (a)

Still wines
Still wines
Still wines
Sparkling wines
Sparkling wines
Liquers, cordials, etc
Fortification of wines
Fermented liquors

5 cents
10 cents
20 cents
21/2 cents

Super-tax rate

6 cents.

12 cents.
24 cents.
3 cents.

1 1/4 cents

1 1/2 cents.

1 1/4 cents

1 1/2 cents.

10 cents

12 cents.

$5

$6."

1 SEC. 16. PLAYING CARDS.
2

Section 1807 of the Internal Revenue Code is amended

3 by inserting "(a) GENERAL RULE.-" before the first para-

4 graph and inserting at the end thereof the following new
5 subsections:
6,

"(b) SUPER-TAX FOR FIVE YEARS.-In lieu of the rate

7 of tax specified in subsection (a), the rate of tax for the
8 period beginning July 1, 1940, and ending June 30, 1945,
9 shall be 11 cents.
10

"(c) FLOOR STOCKS TAX-Upon all the articles sub-

11 ject to tax under subsection (a), which on July 1, 1940, are

12 held by any person for sale otherwise than in retail stocks,
13 there shall be levied, collected, and paid a floor stocks tax
14 at a rate equal to the increase in rate of tax made applicable
15 to such articles by subsection (b).
16

"(d) RETURNS.-Every person required by subsection

17

(c) to pay any floor stocks tax, under such regulations as

14

1 the Commissioner with the approval of the Secretary shall
2 prescribe, shall, on or before August 1, 1940, make a return
3 and pay such tax.
4

"(e) LAWS APPLICABLE.-All provisions of law, includ-

5 ing penalties, applicable in respect of the taxes imposed by

6 subsection (a) shall, insofar as applicable and not incon7 sistent with this subsection, be applicable with respect to
8 the floor stocks tax imposed by subsection (b)." "
9 SEC. 17. CREDITS ON TAX ON AUTOMOBILES, ETC.
10

Section 3403 (e) of the Internal Revenue Code is

11 amended by adding at the end thereof the following new

12 sentence: "With respect to the period beginning July 1,
13 1940, and ending June 30, 1945, the rates of the credits
14 above provided shall, in lieu of 2 per centum and 3 per
15 centum, be 21 per centum and 34 per centum, respectively."
16

17

TITLE II
SEC. 201. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, as soon

18 as practicable after the end of each quarter, determine the

19 additional amount of taxes collected attributable to the in20 creases in taxes made, and to the floor stocks taxes imposed,

21 by the amendments to the Internal Revenue Code in title I

22 (not including the amount of taxes attributable solely to
23 section 10 and not including any amount collected under

24 section 1700 (a) (1) attributable to a basic admission
25 charge of more than 40 cents) of this Act, and the amounts

15

1 so determined shall be set aside as a special fund which

2 shall be available for the retirement of any of the obli3 gations issued pursuant to the authority contained in section
4 21 (b) of the Second Liberty Bond Act, as amended.
5

SEC. 202. Section 21 of the Second Liberty Bond Act, as

6 amended, is hereby further amended by inserting "(a)" after
7 "21." and by adding at the end of such section a new para8 graph as follows:
9

"(b) In addition to the amount authorized by the pre-

10 ceding paragraph of this section, any obligations authorized
11 by sections 5 and 18 of this Act, as amended, not to exceed
12 in the aggregate $3,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time,
13 less any retirements made from the special fund made avail-

14 able under section 201 of the Revenue Act of 1940, may be
15 issued under said sections to provide the Treasury with funds
16 to meet any expenditures made, after June 30, 1940, for the

17 national defense, or to reimburse the general fund of the
18 Treasury therefor. Any such obligations so issued shall be
19 designated 'National Defense Series'."

3D SEASION
Referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

MAY 30,1940

A BILL
By Mr. DOUGHTON

F. R. 9966

To provide for the expenses of national pre-

paredness by raising revenue and issuing

such bonds, and for other purposes.

bonds, to provide a method for paying for

Extra approxiation

Draft

dol's

In his budget message of January 3. 1940, the President antici- is 5/30/40
328
pated for the fiscal year 1941 an excess of expenditures over normal
receipts of $2,876,000,000. Recovery of excess capital funds from
Government corporations was estimated at $700,000,000. The President
recommended that $460,000,000 additional taxes be imposed to cover

emergency national defense expenditures. This left an anticipated
deficit of $1,716,000,000 to be financed by borrowing.
Since that time events have taken place that make necessary

expenditures for national defense that far exceed the amounts pro-

vided for in the 1941 budget. On the basis of appropriation bills
which have passed and are now pending, the Treasury and the Bureau

of the Budget estimate that the deficit for the fiscal year 1941 will
amount to $3,703,000,000. The borrowing power now remaining under the

existing debt limit is $1,973,000,000. In the light of the extraordinary requirements for national defense it is anticipated that
this borrowing power will be completely exhausted by the end of
February and the working balance of the Treasury will be only

$600,000,000. Action to protect the position of the Treasury cannot
safely be postponed until the next session of Congress, especially

in a critical period such as this.
The Treasury working balance is now approximately $1,200,000,000.

It would be undesirable to reduce the balance much below this level.
The maintenance of a working balance of present proportions has

enabled the Treasury to omit major financial operations at a time
when market conditions were not favorable and by waiting for more

favorable market conditions to save a great deal of money in interest.

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Then viewed from the standpoint of the insurance and financial security
which a large Treasury balance has afforded, the interest cost on
Treasury bills issued to create and continue the balance has been a
cheap premium. The maintenance of a balance approximating the present

one is distinctly in the interests of economy and financial strength
and is especially to be desired in the troubled world of today.
It has sometimes been urged that the gold assets of the stabilization fund be used to finance current operations and thus to reduce or

eliminate borrowing for a time. It was clearly not contemplated at the
time the powers in the Gold Reserve Act with respect to the Stabilization
Fund were extended that its gold assets would be used to meet current
expenditures. I have repeatedly advised the Congress that $1,800,000,000

of this fund is still held in the form of gold and that there is no
intention of using that gold for any purpose other than to meet
Stabilization Fund requirements. In view of the present world situation
the present is obviously not the time to divert the assets from the
Stabilization Fund.
The orderly financing of Federal expenditures expanded as they

are by emergency expenditures for national defense, requires provision

of additional taxes or an increase in the limit on the national debt.
In my judgment, both steps should be taken.

I am convinced that the public is willing and ready to accept the
personal sacrifices of paying the additional taxes that are necessary

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-3to provide the country with adequate national defense. To raise the
debt limit without increasing taxes would convey the completely
erroneous impression that adequate defenses can be provided without
additional burdens.

Due to the large volume of funds that must be made available

quickly, however, sole reliance on taxation for financing emergency
national defense would necessitate placing in immediate operation

extremely heavy additional taxes. The resulting sudden impact on
the economic system might have unfortunate effects at a time when we

are striving to increase production Furthermore, it would be necessary to resort to less desirable types of taxes the only advantage
of which is that they produce large revenues quickly. Revenues from
the more desirable types of taxes, such as the income tax and the

estate tax, are not received for a considerable period after the tax
is imposed. For these reasons it would be desirable both to raise

the debt limit and to impose additional taxes at this time. It is
for Congress to decide the types of taxes to be employed.

I shall not discuss the tax bill that is before you for consideration. Under Secretary Bell and Assistant Secretary Sullivan are here

to go into various aspects of the bill if you desire it.
The bill meets the immediate problem of the Preasury by relieving
the pressure of Congressional defense appropriations on the debt limit
and making a substantial start toward financing emergency defense

expenditures through taxation. I believe that passage of the bill
would distinctly be a step in the right direction.

May 30, 1940.
8:30 a.m.

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RE AIR EXPANSION PROGRAM

Present:

Mr. Young
Mr. Mead

Mr. Vaughan

Mr. Foley
Mr. Kades

Captain Kraus

Mrs. Klotz

Mr. Gordon
H.M.Jr:

As soon as Mrs. Klotz comes -- General Marshall
and Summer Wells are going to be here at 10:00
to see what we can or cannot give the Allies,

see. At that time, if you would have all the

Young:

pieces of paper together, those various things
they want, including that stuff they wanted from
the Navy, see. They can't get the destroyers
but there were those speed boats which I think
they could get.
What you would like would be a straight out and
out list of everything they have asked for from
the Army and Navy.

H. M. Jr:

Have it all together, organized for me. You

H.M.Jr:

know what I am talking about, for Purvis.
You mean like that A, B C stuff?
Yes, but then -- but get everything together,

Young:

Is Purvis coming in at 10:00?

H.M.Jr:

I tried to get him. They said he was in

Young:

including what they gave me yesterday.

Washington. I thought he could go -- I thought
he could be here at 10:00 and we could get a
yes or no. As soon as Mrs. Klotz comes, you

get that stuff.
Shoot.

Mead:

All right. on this agreement thing, I called
Wright and Pratt & Whitney Company and told
them what I thought we were trying to do and

they said sure, they would be willing to sign

a blanket agreement just like the Wright Company
would, so I sent it to the hotel and had them
come in this morning so they could be going over

it and see if it is all right, but I think I can

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make them do that all right and then we will
have an agreeme nt for three years plus an
extension for any model, but it is not written
the way I thought you wanted it to be. I to
thought you said the Government was going

have a license, but this is their license

between the originator of the engine and such

manufacturers as we would approve and they
choose.

H.M.Jr:

That is what I asked for.
(Mr. Foley entered the conference.)

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

Well, you wanted this for the Government.
That was what I wanted. Here is Foley now.

Foley, what I asked for and evidently I haven't
got it, I wanted a license from the engine
company to the United States Government and the

United States Government to issue it to whoever it wanted to.
Foley:
H.M.Jr:
Mead:

Well, it isn't that way.
But that is what I asked for. It should be
that way.

Other than that I haven't had time to see
Mr. Boyd. I have got the Wright Company -- the
Pratt & Whitney Company to agree tentatively
that they will go right along with us on a
standard form, so if you can change it to make
it to the Government, we are all set to talk to
them and I have sent copies up to the hotels,
so if you will make new ones, if you 111 give it

to my man Brown, I will get it up there. That is

point one.
H.M.Jr:

You see, that is why I have my General Counsel.
You are quite right. Did you get my message
yesterday talking about Lauchlin Currie?

(Mr. Foley left the conference.)
Mead:

H.M.Jr:

Yes, Foley told me.

You know he is the fellow -- in the first place,
Just to give you a minute -- this is important --

he is Administrative Assistant to the President.

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-3he tried every way possible to force Floyd
Odlum on me, every way. Well, I refused to
take him and the President said I shouldn't
take him. Then he has been studying day
and night, racking his brain, you see. Currie
is smart. Then he waylays me in the White
House and says he wants to offer his services
in the engine thing and he has talked wi th
Floyd Odlum and they could do so and so. I
said, "Wait a minute. I thank you very much,
but I am advised by Mr. Mead and Mr. Foley I
don't need any more help. Now please get
that." Most likely he is thinking that he,
Currie, because he is Administrative

Assistant to the President better be "Curried"
too and I don't want him to have anything to
do with it and I don't want Floyd Odlum sitting
in it, do you? If you feel both Pratt &
Pn
Whitney -- but I think it is just Guy Vaughan Cirty
I am not going to have Currie mixing into my
affairs.

Mead:

Well, I know Guy well.

H.M.Jr:

Just tell him he is wasting his time if he
thinks by playing around with Lauchlin Currie
he is going to get anywhere. It just annoys
me.

Mead:

Now, I want to get two or three essentials.
I have been working on this most of the night.
We can't talk intelligently unless we are sure
to agree. I have put down these three
fundamental things.

First, that we want to accelerate production
to the maximum rate as fast as we can.

Item 2, we want necessary additional productive capacity to be secured west of the
mountains, in other words, not any more east,

using existing facilities where possible and
avoiding concentration. Now, I got worried
about that because we are putting everything
in Detroit and I don't see why in the devil
those fellows can't sell tanks and trucks and
let us spread. Now, this Studebaker car didn't
pester me but a few minutes, so I am not being
sold by them, but I am thinking in geography

terms. I looked around and put them down on a
piece of paper, that Indianapolis would be a
possible place. South Bend is another possible

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place. We are getting out of that labor
situation in Detroit.
H.M.Jr:

Let me interrupt you. This is for you, Phil.

Find out how much Government money is in

Studebaker. We have got a lot of money in

there. Did you know that? Find out. It is
a million or two or three million dollars.

We have a lot of money in there already.
Mead:

They were a very fine type, I thought, just

H.M.Jr:

We have a lot of money in there now, so

Mead:

Now, the third point, we want the training
engines first while maintaining necessary
deliveries of tactical engines to meet plane
schedules, but the push ought to be in the
training plants right now as long as we keep

looking at them.

there is that much of interest.

up the production on whatever they have got
there.

H.M.Jr:

Well, from my standpoint --

Mead:

This is our program, not the Allies', of
course.

H.M.Jr:

I think the two should go simultaneously.

Mead:

Yes, but if it is a case of giving way -The training has to come first, yes, sir.
That is all I want. Now, those are the

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

essential things and here is what I think
are desirable things and I wondered if we

were seeing eye to eye that the company

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

originating the product should be responsible
for the quality. The minute we get out from
under that thing, I am afraid we are going to
end the program in about a year.
I agree with you on that.
We want them to agree with us, however, to

produce a third to a half of the large engine
requirements west of the mountains so as to
get that set up and we will have a political
as well as practical advantage.

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I want to hear your whole thing. I have

gotten
fit in. one or two ideas which may or may not
Mead:

We want to avoid Government-owned plants if
we can, but if we have them they should be

operated by these other fellows for us.

H.M.Jr:

Check on that.

Head:

We want to pay outright and charge it up to
the cost of the job for surplus facilities
over and above what the industry normally
would be able to handle. That is, we can
force them to a certain extent and beyond

that we will have to --

H.M.Jr:

On the same theory that when the Government

builds -- Standard oil builds an oil tanker

and the Government wants a five knot extra
speed, for that extra speed the United States
Navy pays Socony. It is the same theory.
Mead:

Yes. Because I do think it is impossible for
those fellows beyond a certain point to take
on. Well now, I had better listen to you now
before I go to the next point, but those were
essentials to our dealing with the engine
fellows.

H.M.Jr:

That is what I thought on the engine things.
Again, I think we should not put all the eggs
in one basket and you tell me whether I am

thinking clearly. I have been thinking sub-

consciously and constantly during the night.
From one talk I had with Guy Vaughan, I got

the feeling that he would like to duplicate

his own plant somewhere else, that he was in
the frame of mind that he had second men who
wanted to be foremen and so on. I also got
the impression that the Pratt & Whitney Company
did not and they would rather license some
automobile company. Am I right about that so
far?

Mead:

As far as I know. I have not talked to either
one.

H.M.Jr:

Therefore, not to put all the eggs in one
basket, I was thinking of the possibility of
talking with Pratt & Whitney -- I mean w1 th

-6Guy Vaughan and said, "Now look, we would

like to put up to you this proposition. We

would like to have Curtiss-Wright submit a
plan whereby they will build a plant which,
on the three-shift basis, can build about a
million or a million two hundred thousand

horse power a month somewhere west of the

Alleghanies, which either you build or we

will build for you. " We want that. Then on
the other fellows -- I mean, that will be

having one.

(Mrs. Klotz entered the conference.)
H.M.Jr:

Then the thing was running through my mind,

partly what you said, so that -- well,
by building its own tools. In the case of

maybe some automobile company could assist

Pratt & Whitney, we let them tie up with
some automobile company.

Then I had a third thing which was running
through my mind, that we get somebody like
Ford or Chrysler to take either the Rolls
Royce or the French engine, whichever one -I mean, which is more like an automobile
engine, the liquid cooled, than the other
and go ahead and produce that, so there are

three things I was thinking of. I will go
over it once more. The possibilities of

Curtiss-Wright duplicating -- building on
some basis which they submit to us first a
plant to build one large engine which would
have on a three-shift basis -- could produce
a million two hundred thousand horse a month.
Pratt & Whitney tie up with some automobile

company outside of the Detroit area, 1f

possible. Three, that we get another air

cooled engine which we license some automo-

bile manufacturer, Ford or Chrysler or somebody --

Young:

H.M.Jr:

Liquid cooled?

Liquid cooled, to do that. However, are we

apart?

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Well, I just have this suggestion, that it
might be helpful to us to put it on this

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ground, that we want "X" production, as
much over what you fellows can do -- put it
up to Pratt & Whitney this way. "How would
you suggest we do it? Now, we want to have
you consider these several ways of doing it
and come back to us," the point being that
we might learn something that we hadn't thought
of and then we could make a decision very
quickly, but talk frankly with them, tell them
we think it ought to be done this way but what

H.M.Jr:

other way would they suggest.
But these two companies have asked to dupli-

Mead:

And not all in Detroit.

H.M.Jr:

cate their own plant and not --

And to get some automobile fellow to take
either Rolls Royce or some other engine and
put that on a production basis.

Mead:

That is it.

H.M.Jr:

Then we would have three new power plants

going. That has nothing to do with the

trainer. I haven't talked the trainer thing
to you. I just haven't thought of that.

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

I have thought of the trainers but to be
honest, I haven't had a chance to think of
the little ones, that is, the primary and
basic. I haven't talked to the others, which
amounts to something like seventeen thousand
engines altogether but the balance of this
thirty-seven -- no, it is thirty-nine thousand
engines in the training program.
For instance, if the Canadians asked for
these 330's, is there any reason they
shouldn't go to four hundred and standardize
on that four hundred engine?

Mead:

We are going to settle that with Purvis. He
is going to bring his gang in. The first
job we are going to do is to talk training.
I think you needn't worry on that until we
get it in shape.

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-8H.M.Jr:

Now, to bring you up to date, is Kraus not
going to be here today?

Mead:

Oh, yes. You asked for Mr. Mayo and I
called him and he said, "Well, if you
could let me off today, because I have made
so many appointments, " and I said I was
pretty sure you would appreciate that and
he said he would come any other time and I

said I expected the first of the week would

do all right.
H.M.Jr:

Now here is something I want you to know.

At the right time yesterday when all the
Army was there and they were all groping, I
said, "Now, Mr. President, here is a program
on fifty thousand planes along the lines that

you suggested to me Monday at lunch. " "Well,"
he said, "Everybody has been asking me about

this. Let me look at this. Everybody has
been asking me." He looked at this and he
said, "Well, this looks pretty good. " He

said, "Has the Army and Navy approved this?"
And I said, "Well, we have had Army and Navy

assistance. I don't know if everybody in
the Army and Navy has seen it," and he said,
"Now, let me keep this. A lot of people
have been asking about this and this looks
pretty good. That was --

Mead:

His head was out of the noose.

H.M.Jr:

And I was embarrassed because both Marshall

and Brett, two or three times, particularly

Marshall, said how much we were doing over

here on engines, how helpful it was.
Mead:

H.M.Jr:

Well, there is the point that I think is next.
So I take it that until further notice I am
sure that on Friday the President is going to
hand this to the Press. I am just putting
you on notice.

Mead:

Well, do you suppose there is some way to
keep him from handing out the prices, because
if you just divide those quantities you will
see what basic average price we use.

9H.M.Jr:
Mead:

H.M.Jr:

Well, I can't tell.
That will make our contractual relations

very difficult.
I don't think he will give the prices.

H.M.Jr:

If he wants to give the total figures down
here in the quantities, okay.
He would be foolish to give the prices,

Mead:

three billion dollars.
The price, but not the unit price. I made

Mead:

because it would show -- the price came to
these fellows agree on an average.

H.M.Jr:
Head:

That thing you did yesterday by now is the

Administration program.

Well, here is what I want to get your
opinion on, one more point, before we talk
to Wright and Curtiss and also to keep peace
in the family and I am not worrying about the
family except that I think it has reached a
point now where we do have to give them some
idea of what is going on. We had revolutions in various places yesterday. Kraus
would march in and say, "Well, I've got
another revolution." The result was that
poor fellow went over and took his gang to
Navy and worked until after midnight on
some of this stuff because we couldn't
quite see eye to eye on how it was going to
be done. But I wanted to follow through
this point with you just a minute.
We are not clear what your ideas are in the
way we are going to handle this thing from
the routine angle. Kraus and I have gone
over some of this and we felt that the outlying military requirements must be coming
from the Army and Navy, that is, they are
the ones to do that.

The next question is, certainly, that it

looks obvious that our Treasury Section is
going to coordinate those requirements, try
to simplify them as to types and specifications and so on. Now, that would then make

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- 10 it possible for the Army and Navy to draw
up orders, whether under Treasury on
account of Mr. Nelson, or draw up contracts
and enter into them after they have passed
through Mr. Nelson. I am reading the news-

papers, that is the only way I can find out
so far. That is why I was bringing it up
to you. I didn't know how you wanted this
Treasury Purchasing Section to work.

H.M.Jr:

Let me just give you an idea as best I can.

Mead:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Before I do that, would you mind (Mrs. Klotz)
just take something from me to McReynolds?

(The Secretary dictated to Mrs. Klotz a
letter to Mr. McReynolds.)
H.M.Jr:

I want you to hear just this explanation.
This is the way I envisage this thing --

and incidentally, Mrs. Klotz, this letter

from Louis Johnson in which he says he will
send me the contract ready for signature,
I want it photostated and tomorrow I want to
call him up and I am going to send it back
to him.

Now, I had everybody there together in
General Watson's room and I said, "Now,
Gentlemen, I don't want to have to bother
the President on this thing, but I said,
"We can't be helpful to you -- and we can

be very helpful -- unless you let us sit in

when you are considering which companies to

buy from for the engines, but the question
of sending this over for signature, I mean
the contract, all but the signature, we
can't be of any help," and I said, "We can
be a lot of help to you. Now, I would appreciate it very much if nothing is done until
it has the approval of the people who are
advising me. So Johnson says, "Well, then,
would you relieve me of the thing that you
said, that you wanted everything ready the
day the bill passed for the President's
signature," and I said, "Sure." He said,
"Well, if you will relieve me of that
request I will go along, and everybody
agreed. Marshall was with me and Johnson
and Brott. Now, this is the way I see the
thing. As far as the Army and Navy planes

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and engines are concerned, Nelson has noth-

ing to do with them.

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

The paper is the only way I could get this.
I am the boss, as far as the Treasury goes.
He has nothing to do with them. What I

look to you entirely for is -- this whole
question and I got that agreement yesterday and I take it -- the President sent

me the Navy business here and we can have

that photostated.

Head:

Could I interrupt you, sir, because I am

afraid I will forget to tell you this. In

order to get the fifty thousand program, we

doubled the Army program and raised the
Navy thirty-three and a third percent. It
shows you how near the two services were.
H.M.Jr:

Let me just get this over to you. This is
the way I envisage this thing. The thing
that you can do for this Government is, you
can start on the trainer thing -- is to get

the Army and Navy to agree on the kind of
trainer plant they need and the kind of
engine and get them to get it down to as few
as possible, see, so that we simply say to
them, "Now look, gentlemen, after making this
whole study you should buy a type 'X' plane
and type 'X' engine. We feel that is the thing,"
see. We have agreed on that. Now, we can tell,
"We have made certain arrangements with the

engine people for licensing and here is where
you can get the production." and so forth and
so on and, "We want you to take care of so much
for the Allies." "
When it comes to the engine business and so

forth and the Allies want it, I want you to

work directly with them, Colonel Jacquin and
so forth and so on, letting Phil Young be
the liaison between you and Nelson.

Mead:

Now, Nelson is the new Nelson from Sears
Roebuck.

H.M.Jr:

That is right.

- 12 Mead:

How will he enter into the function of this
thing? As the Allies tell us they want
certain things, we balance that in our

program and tell them what they can have -and then Nelson takes over the order?

H.M.Jr:

No, the order goes in both places, when it
gets down to placing the orders and paying

the price. The Allies will negotiate
directly with the manufacturer. I don't

know anything else comparable, but I have
never been in the automobile business, but

after all, you are going to have a 1942 model.
Until the fellows go out and do the purchasing, the whole Board of Directors sit there

and decide it is going to be this kind of a

car and such and such stuff and then when the

model is decided and so forth, they turn the
Purchasing Department loose, and I want to
hold everything until we decide what model,
what engine and the productive power. When

it comes to the placing of the orders and
negotiating, the Allies do their buying
direct. We won't have anybody in Treasury
sit on it. The Army and Navy will do their
negotiation.

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

The only thing there was the worry that we

had three different sets of prices here,

depending on who is the best bargainer.
On that question, Nelson ought to be able to
be helpful to them to keep them together.

Mead:

of course, we can have a gentleman's agreement with the manufacturer.

H.M.Jr:

Does that sound sensible?

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

That relieves my mind no end, because I

wondered if you were thinking of trying to
bring that into the Treasury with no
machinery to do it. We would have to bring
the Army and Navy in and put them in a room
and stir them up and say, "Here, you are a
joint purchasing outfit.
I asked Mr. Purvis to do his negotiating in

New York instead of Washington because Collins

was
trying to do the negotiating and I didn't
want it.

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Mead:

That is just exactly what was happening.
Then we will be passing on the matter of
consolidation of the program, types, and

so forth, and when that is settled, we
will also be trying to balance productive
capacity in the plants so that one fellow
doesn't take it all and so on and outside
of that, Army and Navy and the Allies
negotiate directly with the manufacturer
in question.

Mead:

That is right.
That will help us a lot.

H.M.Jr:

Okay?

Mead:

Fine. Now, could you tell me one more
thing? Where does the Knudsen -I wish you had been here. McReynolds tried
to explain to Nelson the committee of seven
and when he got through I said to

H.M.Jr:

H.M.Jr:

Mr. Nelson, 'Is it as clear as mud?" He
said, I understand perfectly."
Kraus:

Did you read David Lawrence last night?

H.M.Jr:

No. Here is the thing, as far as that
group is concerned. McReynolds is in
there. He has got to steer this thing, you
see, and here is McReynolds trying his best
to explain to poor Nelson what it is all
about and he can't do it. I have listened
to the President on this thing by the hour
and I have dictated here -- it is no secret
to McReynolds, I am asking Stettinius and
Knudsen to come over here and take over the

machines thing. As long as the President
wants me to, I want to hang on to the airplane and the foreign thing.
Mead:

I thought the foreign thing got off the track,
came in, can't get into the aircraft produc-

that certainly anybody, Knudsen or whoever

tion picture and kick it around because they

will just ruin it if they do. They don't

know what they are kicking.

- 14 H.M.Jr:

There is no such intention.

Mead:

Okay.

H.M.Jr:

Are you all right?

Mead:

Yes. I have to answer these questions.

H.M.Jr:

Does that sound sensible?

Mead:

Sure.

H.M.Jr:

Now, would you, in order to help me, sort

Mead:

Absolutely. May I finish off two or three

People come in and --

of lead the conversation now?
things?

H.M.Jr:

Sure.

Mead:

But they are holding us up. I want to get
your idea on the priority of the work. Now
some of my thoughts were -- and you can
shut me off -- that we had to have that pro-

gram and it starts out like this: That is

what we have been working so hard on. I

think by sometime today we will have it all
typed up to substantiate that first speech
that you have. It breaks down to an awful
lot of stuff. The second thing was, we

want to get production of engine requirements
as near as we can visualize them at the
minute, but even from last night we have had
a change from the Navy of big engines to

smaller engines and it will probably go on
quite a long time, so that we will have to
keep that in a continual state of flux. The
figures I have got are wrong by five thousand
engines. The distribution between companies

based on -- the Navy WD rked on them most of

the night. That thing though, we have got it

going and we are working on it as the second
priority.
The third thing was this training
standardization.
H.M.Jr:

Yes. Are you going to get a report for me
on plywood planes?

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- 15 Mead:

It is here.

H.M.Jr:

Is this any good?

Mead:

I haven't had a chance to look at it.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

Young:

I talked with the man who makes all the plywood yesterday. He is getting very anxious
because he has got two million dollars worth

of British orders and he is afraid he is going to get caught, so he wants this country
to assure him a hundred thousand dollars.

Mead:

The fourth priority is the question of
better equipment. That is something that will

have higher performance. We have put that
down the line -H.M.Jr:

Tip off Kraus that somebody has talked to the
President and the President is dissatisfied
with the performance of the Navy planes.
He says they are too slow. Tip off Kraus.
The President is dissatisfied with the slowness of the Navy planes.

Mead:

But you agree on that? After we get a twelve

hundred horse-power and some eighteen hundred

horse-power and so on, we have got to have,

see, the next bigger powers in those ships,
but I don't want to mess the things up right
now so I have given that the last priority.
Do you think that is a sane way?

H.M.Jr:

As of this morning.

Mead:

Sure, we have got to change it all the time.
One other thing. Don't you think we ought

to have in writing what you showed me Sunday

night, this matter of the Rolls Royce agreement, because supposing it happens to any of
us, either here or there -H.M.Jr:

I have a cable from Kennedy.

Mead:

Do you think that is good enough?

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Why not get the plans?

Mead:

But we have no paper from the Rolls Royce
Company. Would it be out of order to ask
them for a piece of paper?

H.M.Jr:

Not if you can get olley to do it.
I would like to have in your files some-

Mead:

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

thing to show that.
You are right.

Now, I haven't got anybody on the airplane
side yet and we want a fellow very badly
and the best man we can find and that we

have all agreed on has sort of the title
of chief engineer of Curtiss-Wright, but he
is available to go to work for us, to take
this Curtiss training plane thing -- it is
the case of the engine itself -H.M.Jr:

Who is it?

Mead:

Ted Wright of Curtiss-Wright. For some
reason they are not utilizing him the way

they should and if he can come down here
and WO rk two or three months -- I can't get
Hunsaker. He has got so darn many other
things to do he would rather have an in and

out job than stay right here.
Incidentally, the industry has loaned its
men right and left and I have taken them
off their pay roll and put them on our pay

roll.

H.M.Jr:

As long as you keep checking with Charlie
Bell. Everything goes through him.

Mead:

Now if you want to handle it, Kraus needs
some help and we don't know whether you

would be willing for us to do this, but

Kindelberger on the west coast is president
of North American and he is the best all round
man that industry likes and if we could steal
him for General Motors for a little while -and he is the salesman of the outfit more than
anything else -- he would supplement Kraus in
a wonderful way, but we didn't want to start

any wheels rolling unless you felt it was all

right to try.

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- 17 H.M.Jr:

Well, you have taken Curtiss-Wright's man;
I suppose you can take him.

Mead:

If we even had him for a few months to get

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

this thing rolling.
I will have to rely on you, George. I

have just got to rely on you.

All right. I have talked it over w1 th all
the folks I know in the industry to get a

line on who they would work with. We have
got to have him working with us.
H.M.Jr:

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

I rely on you. I just want to say one thing,
don't want it.
It suits me fine.
that "Brass Hat Committee," no good. I

I want you also to understand this: we are

going along, but I never know when the
President may change his mind, but it is on
me and not on you if he does, see.

Mead:

Well, I just wanted you to be prepared for that
"Brass Hat Outfit" --

H.M.Jr:

But you understand it.

Mead:

Sure.

H.M.Jr:

This is a democracy.

Mead:

I don't like to work with brass hats.

H.M.Jr:

The President has told me once or tvd ce a
week he wants me to continue to do this and
we will see.

Mead:

You mean we might have a summer at home?

Kraus:

Not a bad idea.

H.M.Jr:

I have given this man (Young) something to
do which he has got to get from you (Mrs.

Klotz). I will excuse the two of you and

when it is done, will you both please come
back?

(Mr. Young and Mrs. Klotz left the conference.)

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Mr. Hull gets a letter once a week, how many
planes in England and France left the factory
and how many engines and this complete thing
that George is doing stays in the Treasury,
plus Captain Kraus, plus General Brett.
Nobody else.

Mead:

I think one of the things that will help you
a lot on this Curtiss-Wright thing is that
you just started out and let them talk.
(Mr. Foley, Mr. Kades, Mr. Vaughan, Mr. Gordon
entered the conference.)

H.M.Jr:

I can give you a kind of a rough idea of the
We have got this licensing thing which Mr. --

way the thing stands and then you question me.
Have you met Mr. Foley?

Vaughan:

oh, yes, surely, at your house that night.

Foley:

We had lunch day before yesterday.

H.M.Jr:

That is right. And if while you people are

here today that thing could be cleaned up
so at least we are ready to license somebody
we know that legally we are together, you
see.

Vaughan:

I think we are all prepared, Mr. Morgenthau,
to submit a form and letter of transmittal
and we have it with us.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I --

Foley:

Well, I think the suggestion you made to me

can be taken care of in the letter, Mr.

Secretary, in other words, wi thout changing
the agreement at all they can agree in the
letter transmitting the agreement that they

will enter into this contract with anybody

designated by the Government on terms satisfactory to the Government and then all you
have to do is to name the manufacturer and

name the price, but they will agree w1 th you

in the letter --

H.M.Jr:

The point I made at 8:30 -- I thought I had
explained it and evidently I hadn't. In all
of these cases, I want the license from the
company to the United States Government and
we will reissue it to the manufacturer.

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To the manufacturer?

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

That permits you to pick anybody you choose

at anytime and under any conditions, is
that right, without protection to the
original licensor?
If we wanted to, yes.

Vaughan:

Well, I think we ought to see our attorneys
and see about that, because after all we
really would like some protection on this
thing. We don't like to spend a good many
million dollars of our money and foreigners'
money -- I tell you -- I don't mean to be
arbitrary, but I do think we want a little
protection on it.

H.M.Jr:

All right, you are here until we get the

Vaughan:

Yes.

H.M.Jr;

I told you out at the house I am going to

Vaughan:

We are not either, but we have stockholders

thing straightened out?

listen, I am not going to be arbitrary --

and I don't want to go to jail or give them

all I have tried to save up in the last

twenty years because I have dissipated the

assets of the company.
Mead:

You can have it, but I don't want to get

H.M.Jr:

What other changes?

Foley:

Well, I would strike out "With the concurrence"

it in court.

of Wright in the letter and strike out that
the -- that Wright will consult with the

Government concerning the amount of the com-

pensation so the letter reads, "To corporation or corporations to be designated by the
Government of the United States a nonexclusive license or licenses to manufacture for

and sell to the Government any aviation
engine or model which Wright manufactures for
Governmental purposes anytime that the
Government finds it necessary and in the public

interest of national defense to request Wright

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to grant a license or licenses for such
purpose. It is understood that any agree-

ment to be entered into between Wright and
any licensee so designated shall be sub-

stantially in the same form and contain substantially the same provisions as the
attached draft of agreement with such other
and further provisions as may be mutually
agreed upon between Wright and any such
licensee and which are satisfactory to the
Government. It is further understood that

the amount of compensation or other payments

to be fixed in any such agreement shall be
satisfactory to the Government."
H.M.Jr:

That will give you all the control you want.
I am at this disadvantage. The first time
I -- I don't know. Couldn't you people,

after we get over some of the other things,
meet and if the three of you agree, you
won't have any trouble with me, see. I

mean, all I am trying to do is to be able
to be in the position after we get this

thing and everybody is working on this
thing day and night and every minute they
change the base on us, that is, the Army and
Navy. I mean, they keep shifting it every
minute, do you see, and you saw in the paper
this morning, another program going up on

the Hill and so forth so every minute it
shifts and every minute the Allies shift on

us. You have had some experience with it?
Vaughan:

Yes. I am wondering if we won't have to take
over a good part of the -- that is, it won't
be available for you to take over a good part

of the existing Allied contracts in the not
too distant future. It is something to think
about.

H.M.Jr:

Well, what the President has told them and

Vaughan:

Yes, in any event.

H.M.Jr:

Well, you were talking about in case they

have you tell them is that our program is
to build on top of theirs, supplement.

should lose or stop fighting. That is some-

thing else again. So I think in this

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licensing thing, if you gentlemen -- when
we get through talking here could kind of

get together and talk about it, I want to
be fair.
be
fair. I am sure Mr. Vaughan wants to

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

You can be definitely assured of that. I
expect to be just as fair as you are fair

and that, I hope, is very fair.
It will be. Let me just tell you -- let me
tell you what I have in mind. It has to be
a little bit rough still, but we have been
talking and we see a great deal more than
what we did before. We would like you to
tell us what you think would be the best,
both from the standpoint of the Government
and from your company, how you could reproduce, practically duplicate, the present
size of your plant somewhere west of the
Alleghanies.

Mead:

Vaughan:

Or get equivalent production.

Or get equivalent production. Well, I

H.M.Jr:

don't think you can get equivalent production through the license method.
I wasn't thinking so much of that.

Vaughan:

Except from a long-range point of view.
(Captain Kraus entered the conference.)

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

I have had the British experience.
I want you to give me a plan of how you
could - and I would like to have it damned
quick.

Vaughan:

At this time, you mean? Capable of?

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Vaughan:

Eight hundred thousand, possibly, or a

million horse-power a month, I think,

isn't it?

Gordon:

A million, five twenty.

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- 24 Now, we are going to go ahead with this
program and he is going to let me know
in a couple of days what he wants over

and above what they have got now and then

we will work it out with you people and
say, "Now look, Purvis, we are thinking

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

in terms of so much Curtiss-Wright and so
much Pratt & Whitney. How much of that
do you want? We want to know now."
I see.

I don't mind telling you this is the way
they are thinking. Last week they were
thinking of building a fifty-million
dollar plant to build a Bristol engine on
the North American Continent and I said

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

I have heard about it.

And I told them no, that we wouldn't -I was asked and I said no until we had

worked this program out everything was
stopped and I said, "Now, what we are go-

ing to do, we are working this out and
when we see daylight we will say, 'Now,
if you want to come in, gentlemen, how
much do you want? But you have got to
come in w1 th us now. " That would make

Vaughan:

it a great deal easier all around,
wouldn't it?
I am sure it would.

H.M.Jr:

But they will want or are talking about

Vaughan:

They are also, as you probably know,
talking about a very large plant in
Canada to produce motors and take the

wanting a great deal more than they have
got on order here now.

organization from this country.

H.M.Jr:

That has all been stopped. I stopped it.
I stopped it because I said -- I told
them General Motors asked me and I said,
"Anything that any American company does

now is in the United States."

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- 22 H.M.Jr:

A million and a half. Everything that we
have started now in operation?

Gordon:

Yes, that is all under way.

H.M.Jr:

The
million and a half is when you reach
capacity?

Gordon:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I would like to have you say -- come

in here in not too many days and say,
"Mr. Morgenthau, you have asked us for a
plan on how we can suggest --" produce your

engine, and we are thinking in terms of only
your biggest engine for the moment. Is that
right, George?

Mead:

Yes. I would like Vaughan to know that we
intend to talk this out w1 th him a whole lot

more in detail, so that he won't feel he has
got to make an answer right now.

H.M.Jr:

No, no. In other words, how would you go

about practically duplicating your plant

somewhere west of the Alleghanies to make,
one, the biggest engine -- and you people
have decided on which one of those?
Mead:

The twenty-six hundred.

H.M.Jr:

Are you all in agreement on that?

Kraus:

That is the way it looks from the present
set up.

H.M.Jr:

The twenty-six hundred.

Vaughan:

You want the capacity and horse-power
similar to that which we already have or
will have when we are --

H.M.Jr:

Approximately.

Vaughan:

A million and a half horse-power a month
in twenty-six hundreds.

H.M.Jr:

Wouldn't you think so?

Mead:

I think that is too big a figure, isn't

it, Sidney?

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I think it is a little too large, yes.

There will be a substantial quantity
production unit.
H.M.Jr:

Mead:

Wait a minute, I want a plant out there
that can produce what you see your needs
are on a one-fifth basis plus the needs
of the Allies and we are putting up the
same program to Pratt & Whitney, so you
can get the picture.
That would be a comparable plan, wouldn't

you say, Sidney?
Kraus:

Yes, on that basis it would be.

H.M.Jr:

I am thinking in terms of asking you
gentlemen to give us a plant to duplicate
your plant capacity so that you can take
care of what we see now on a one-shift
basis and take care of the Army and Navy
and the Allies and I am asking Pratt &

Whitney to do the same and asking them

to do it --

Vaughan:

Assuming that the Allies will not want
any greater volume than they have now
scheduled --

H.M.Jr:

Quite the contrary, I am assuming that
they are going to want a great deal more.

Vaughan:

In volume per month, you mean.

H.M.Jr:

Than what they have now, of all the orders

Vaughan:

of all that we are building for the Allies.

they have placed now.

In other words, our production will take
care of the Allies as scheduled as soon as

we get all the floor space in full operation that we now have under way.

H.M.Jr:

I am assuming that they are going to place
very much bigger orders in the United
States and as a matter of fact they have

been talking about it, see, and I told
Purvis yesterday that from now on whatever
they do they are going to have to do it
in conjunction with us.

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- 25 Vaughan:

Well, we ought not to drain our personnel in

this industry, because it isn't a hundred

percent capable, what we have of it, and
we haven't enough to go around now.

H.M.Jr:

In the United States?

Gordon:

That is the answer to all I got yesterday
from my English friend, Austin, in England,

about getting a license to make our engine
H.M.Jr:

there. I assume that is out, isn't it?
I am going to ask you all to sit tight and

concentrate on this thing and then we will
work it out. We w1 11 say to them, "Now, we
are going to give you so many days to come
in and say yes or no, do you want a piece
of this, yes or no, " but I am going to ask
all American manufacturers to sit tight and
do nothing until we have orked this out
with the Army and Navy first and it is going to be our engines and we are going to
say to them -- what is the number of this
engine, twenty-eight hundred?

Mead:

H.M.Jr:

Twenty-six hundred.

"Gentlemen, it is the twenty-six hundred.

Do you want it? If you don't want it,
you are out of luck. That is what the

Army and Navy want. " In other words, they
have got to take what they have got, so you
fellows can concentrate on one model. Does
that make sense?

Vaughan:

Yes. One model, of course, is more desirable

Head:

And especially some European engines to be

Vaughan:

Oh, I think that is out of the question.

Mead:

You and I have lived through that.

Vaughan:

than four models or any more than one model.

started here, which would be terrible.

You draw on your existing personnel and they
don't know anything about it and it would
take us a long time to get started and we

wouldn't do a real job. The war would be
over before we got started. It would be a

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foolish thing to do because most of their
purchases
fortunately.are now that particular engine,
H.M.Jr:

The twenty-six hundred?

Gordon:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:
Gordon:

Is that your most powerful engine?

There is a larger one and the British

have shown a very keen interest in the

thirty-three fifty, as we call it.

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:
Gordon:

Kraus:

Twenty-two hundred horse-power.

Why doesn't the Army and Navy want that?

They will want that la ter.
It is so much smaller, Mr. Secretary
that it wouldn't form an adequate base

for a good-sized unit by itself, that is,

the volume that we foresee immediately.
Gordon:

If we have another factory where the twentysix hundred production can be of matter,
then we can take care of the bigger engine

in the present plant. That would be the

H.M.Jr:
Kraus:

H.M.Jr:

ideal arrangement.
I see.

The bigger engine, Mr. Secretary, is not
as highly developed, not as finished an
engine, and it would be much better not
to transplant
early
a date. it into a new plant at so
Mr. Vaughan, you have had -- what was it,
Sunday, a week ago when we met?

Vaughan:

A week ago last Sunday, yes.

H.M.Jr:

You have had time to think this over.
Maybe you could take a little time now
and
tell me how your mind on this thing is
running.

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- 27 Vaughan:

It isn't working any different than it was

H.M.Jr:

No, I don't mean the license. Let's just

the other night.

talk for a minute about a plant to make one

engine somewhere west of the Alleghanies.
What would be your idea on doing that?
Vaughan:

I think we could lay the plant out very
quickly. We could give you figures on the
cost of it. We could find out what you
would lease it for, if that would be your

policy. I think that is the soundest

H.M.Jr:

policy.
That is what you would like?

Vaughan:

We would prefer that, yes, because it would

take a great deal of financing to put it up
definitely that we could keep it in producourselves and then we wouldn't know

tion, keep it in continuity production. I

think these extra plants we are building
now to build this program up will be in

excess of requirements when the program is
built up unless we are in an emergency and

have to produce at a rapid rate. I think
the existing facilities that are under way
at this particular time will maintain your
program of fity thousand airplanes a year.

H.M.Jr:

No.

Vaughan:

It won't?

H.M.Jr:

No sir.

Vaughan:

I am taking the Allies out now and we will

assume the war is over.

Mead:

Can't do it fast enough.

Vaughan:

To maintain it?

Mead:

We have got a schedule we can talk about

Vaughan:

I was under the impression we had enough

later, but you will be surprised.

facilities today -- count the Allies out
entirely.

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- 28 H.M.Jr:

Counting them out we still can't do it.

Even if we could, the President
specifically wants at least two more

engine plants built at once west of the

Alleghanies.
Vaughan:

That is all right.

H.M.Jr:

Irrespective of that, the President has

Vaughan:

I think to further answer your question
and not get off the track, the plant
should be put up by the Government to
our specifications for producing a particular unit, leased by us at a nominal
lease and for the duration of the contracts, whatever they are, with the right
to back out of the plant at anytime there
isn't enough -- as soon as the economics
of it go haywire. There may be things
wrong wi th that that I don't know, but I
think that is the soundest way to go about
it. We estimate in round figures that it
will cost approximately forty million to
duplicate the plant. That is not a quotation, but it is an estimated round figure

instructed me --

to reproduce that anywhere in this country.

H.M.Jr:
Vaughan:

It would cost you forty million?

It didn't cost forty million, but the

price of machine tool equipment is fifty
percent higher than when we put the
original equipment in and the cost of
everything has gone up.

H.M.Jr:

Duplicate the Wright plant, Wright engine?

Vaughan:

Roughly, yes.

H.M.Jr:

I can understand.

Gordon:

Forty-four or forty-five million. That is

based on the present gross book value of
the whole plant, approximately fourteen odd
million dollars and the actual known additions since that time which have been

financed by the Allies. That amounts to
approximately forty-three or forty-four
million.

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- 29 Vaughan:

I took the engineering facilities com-

pletely out of that forty-five million.

Gordon:

I think forty million would be about

Vaughan:

We don't need an engineering department,

Gordon:

We have quite a few detail figures we
worked up yesterday and I am prepared to
discuss it.

Vaughan:

You know about that, George. You wouldn't
duplicate the Pratt & Whitney engineering.
You would have a small engineering unit to

right.

a
duplication of ours at Patterson, you
see.

take care of the production facilities.

Mead:

We can't get the men even if we could

H.M.Jr:

But you wouldn't do it even if you could

Mead:

duplicate it.

get the men? And it would cost what?

Around forty million, that sounds about

right. That is on the basis that you
you build up the forty million.

leave out engineering. We don't know how

Vaughan:

That is so much machine tool equipment

per square foot, that is all.

H.M.Jr:

Now just so I can have this, I am going
to put down -- I am putting down forty to
forty-five and producing -- what is the
number of this engine we are talking about?

Mead:

Twenty-six hundred.

Vaughan:

Twenty-six hundred, a million and a half.

H.M.Jr:

Which equals, horse-power?

Gordon:

That is sixteen hundred horse-power in
the present models.

- 30 H.M.Jr:
Mead:

Now, how many of that can be produced?
About a thousand a month.

H.M.Jr:

Not more than that?

Vaughan:

Ten hundred and --

Gordon:

It would be a little more than that.

Their present schedules go to a thousand
and thirty a month but it is mixed
models and it is important to us to know
whether this would be the B engine or the
A engine. They are quite different. The
B engine is seventeen hundred horsepower.

Vaughan:

It is roughly a thousand engines a month.

H.M.Jr:

Let me just get this a minute. This is

good. I have here, production of twentysix hundred of sixteen hundred horse.
Now mind you, this is all subject -but roughly, how many could you produce
per month of these on a three-shift basis?

Vaughan:

On the twenty-six hundred?

Gordon:

A thousand a month. Incidentally, these
figures which are given are not based on

H.M.Jr:
Gordon:

a single shift.
I am talking about three shifts.

With three shifts, which is what we are
operating now and plan to operate, it is
a thousand a month.

H.M.Jr:

All right. Produce per month on a three-

Gordon:

That is an unbalanced production.

Vaughan:

Yes, with one engine to build -- we can
do a lot better than we are doing today.

H.M.Jr:

How much better could you do?

Gordon:

About ten percent.

shift basis --

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- 31 H.M.Jr:
Gordon:

Is that all? Can't you make it twelve

hundred?

I think so, because -- I think we can,

because our present three shifts are
extremely unbalanced.

Vaughan:

Now, ten percent --

H.M.Jr:

So, you are going to put in some new

Gordon:

Well, we have already put in ultra modern
equipment of that type.
I would rather underestimate than over.
Here in the Treasury we are conservative.

H.M.Jr:

things, aren't you, some line stuff and
all that?

Gordon:

Then make it eleven hundred.

Vaughan:

Ten percent more engines for the same
equipment would be a closer estimate.

H.M.Jr:

Okay, that gives me something now, because

it gives -- the President has only got so

much money to go around, so one plant -Vaughan:

I don't like to tell you twenty percent,
even if you would like to hear it.

H.M.Jr:

Eleven hundred engines, that gives us some-

thing. Now, what we have got to do against
that is the idea, supposing Mr. Ford or
Mr. General Motors or Mr. Chrysler would

Vaughan:

say, "Well, we can do it with the existing
plant, we don't have to spend forty million
dollars."
In the existing plant?

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Vaughan:

Well, I would rather have them have proved

it in their own efforts, as far as General
Motors goes, before I would be willing to
take their word for it. We told them over
a year ago -- we don't know much about it

ourselves yet -- but we told them just what

they were headed for and they laughed at us.

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instruction division at Wright and spent
two hours in the shop and said all he

needed was a set up of drawings and he
could turn them out faster than we were
doing.

Head:

But it is true that they might have the

buildings, so you would only have to put
the machinery in.

Vaughan:

They would have to get the machinery.
They have got no equipment to do our job

efficiently. Nor do we have the equipment

H.M.Jr:

to do their job.
Let me just leave this to one side a min-

ute and put it another way. Supposing the
Army and Navy get together, plus the Allies,
on one of your smaller engines for training
purposes, see, somewhere between a fourhundred and six-hundred horse-power - and we

wanted to get a license from you people
and you said you would agree to the license
subject to these details which we have

worked out. What is your idea as to where -as to whom would you -- what is your best
recommendation as to whom you would give

this license to from your standpoint and

ours?
Vaughan:

Continental, possibly Packard. They have
had a lot of experience. Whether they have
the organization left yet that they did, I
don't know. On a training engine, Lycoming
has their own training engine which has
been in competition with ours for many years
so you could use that and they would do it
better than they would do our job, I am sure.
Those would be the first choices, people who
have had actual experience in building these
things.

H.M.Jr:

Either Continental or Packard?

Vaughan:

I don't know what the Jacobs picture is.
They build a very good small engine but
whether they have got the facilities or
not, I wouldn't know. But they do a good

job. It is a good little engine.

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- 33 H.M.Jr:

Well, do you want to ask me something
before you go and meet with these
fellows? You v1 11 have another chance
later on.

Vaughan:

I wanted to ask you if it is in your

mind at this time that you would prefer
to have us do as much as we say we can
do before you ask for licenses to others
in the interest of the Government?

H.M.Jr:

Well, in fairness to you I can answer

that very easily. We will give you all

the business you can take.
Vaughan:

Then we can't be very disagreeable about
licensing somebody --

H.M.Jr:

Is that right, George?

Mead:

Absolutely.

Vaughan:

And helping you look into the
facilities these fellows have and making
our recommendations accordingly. I think
we ought to do that. I don't know what
you think about it, but I believe our men,
for instance, would go through the same
motions we go through in establishing a
source of supply on piston pins or rocker
arms. We don't just say here it is at
that time, and make something of it.
We look into his equipment and see the
kind of work he is doing and our factory
men come back and approve for the pur-

chasing department that outfit as a

source of supply.
H.M.Jr:

With this one proviso: I say we will give
you all the business -- this has nothing
to do with licensing, keeping it in mind
that my sailing orders are that the
three sources of supply for engines in
the middle of the United States. Now, I
think those two things are compatible.

President wants at least two and maybe

Vaughan:

They are tied in perfectly as far as I am
concerned and we do that not because we

- 34 want to take down these -- but we have
seen some terrible mistakes made in
Europe and we -- as far as I am concerned,
I expect to be Nuisance No. 1 until you

kick me out of your office -- trying not
to duplicate those if possible.

H.M.Jr:

Without mentioning any names, I am looking to Mead and his crowd to advise me on
engines, Captain Kraus and General Brett,
and no other self-appointed economist
around town.

Vaughan:

I am not talking about your particular
office.

H.M.Jr:

Did you get what I said?

Vaughan:

Yes, I did.

H.M.Jr:

You know what I mean?

Vaughan:

And I am very glad to hear it.
Self-appointed or self-annointed. I don't

H.M.Jr:

have to mention any names.

Vaughan:

No, I would rather you wouldn't mention

names.

H.M.Jr:
Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

But you get what I am saying?

I certainly do. I don't want to have to

agree with you mentioning names.

But George Mead is heading up the stuff.

I am doing this just as long as the President
wants me to do it. If tomorrow he wants to
give it to somebody else, it will be a clean

break, it won't be any Siamese affair. I

either do it all or nothing. I can't do it
any other way. The day he doesn't want me
to do it, it will go out of here but for the

time being we are coordinating -- we are not
going to sit down when it gets down to
negotiating a contract between the Army and
Navy. When it gets down to negotiating the
contract after we have decided what the

engine is or what the plane is, for that
matter, these fellows that have this force

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will sit down wd th you and do the negotiating, but up until the President tells
me otherwise, the question of where the
production -- who should be licensed and
what models we will concentrate on, he
has asked me to do that end, but the

negotiating of the contracts with you

fellows, we will not sit in on that. But

General Brett, Captain Kraus, George Mead

are the fellows that I am looking to.
Vaughan:

All right, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Now, this is my plan. I would like to

resume this at nine o'clock Tuesday. Have
you got a Board of Directors' meeting or
anything else?

Vaughan:

H.M.Jr:

No, I am all right Tuesday.
Tuesday at nine o'clock, see, and by that
time this thing ought to be -- we ought
to be much further along. Now, I am going
to the White House at eleven. I ought to
be back here by half past eleven and I
would be delighted to see these gentlemen
again if you want me to or if they want
to see me.

Vaughan:

I don't think there is anything more. We
can take up anything we have with

Mr. Mead and Captain Kraus.
H.M.Jr:

And my attorney.

Vaughan:

Yes, and Foley.

H.M.Jr:

We can get along without any economists
but we need the lawyers.

Vaughan:

You need them first, too. It is better to

H.M.Jr:

Okay.

Vaughan:

I was glad to see you.

H.M.Jr:

Okay.

have them first than last.

366
May 30, 1940

Present:

Secretary Welles
Admiral Stark
General Marshall
Phil Young

H. S. Klotz

Welles:

The President asked me to ask you to hold this
meeting since he felt that some of these requests
that are coming from England and France are requests that should be granted. I told him that
I had talked to General Marshall about a week
ago and that the General had said at that time
that certain things could be done without break-

ing the laws of Neutrality.

(Welles read a memorandum prepared by their

Legal Advisor to the Attorney General. I think
the opinion was given by Hackworth.)

The Attorney General is in entire agreement.
General

Marshall:

H.M.Jr:

Welles:

(Discussed an amendment that the War Department

proposes. This is an amendment to S 4025.-attached)
(Read memorandum from Purvis which came in at

6 P.M., last night and which listed additional
Allied requirements for rifles, guns, etc.)
(Welles said that the amendment was broader than

the memorandum.)
H.M.Jr:

Is it Woodring's responsibility or Johnson's?

Why don't I find out where Woodring is and see
if he could come over right away.
(At this point H.M.Jr. called Woodring and Wood-

ring said that he would be over in fifteen minutes.)
General

Marshall:

(Read the memorandum which was given us by the

Allied Purchasing "Rifle and Machine Gun N/C
Powder Supplies" and said,

"I should think we could find a basis for doing this."

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(He also read the memorandum which the Anglo-French
Purchasing Board gave us dated May 29th on Nitrocellulose for Smokeless Powder," and said,

"I will get right after my people on this".
(H. M. Jr. asked Admiral Stark if he had read the

memorandum submitted by the Allied Purchasing Board

covering the requested release of destroyers and
motor boats by the Navy through a priority.
Admiral Stark said that as far as he was concerned
he would release all 24 speed boats now on order
with the Electric Boat Company, but that he would

rather keep 8 of each if he could. The Admiral

stated that 12 of these boats were equipped with
torpedoes and the other 12 were equipped with depth
bombs.

He went on to explain that these speed boats were a
new thing for the Navy and were being built purely
to experiment with. However, as the British and
French needed them a lot more than the United States

did, he would be glad to cut his requirements to 4
of each kind or even turn all 24 over to the Allies

if that was the thing to do.

H.M. Jr. suggested that he keep 2 of each type, and,
although the Admiral hesitated as he really wanted

to keep 4 of each, he finally agreed on the basis
suggested by H. M. Jr., and promised to have an
official answer on it by tomorrow.)

Welles:

We had a rush telegram from Ambassador Kennedy

yesterday. He said that you (Admiral Stark) or the
Navy had agreed to let the Naval Attache here have
a depth charge bomb and it was not given to him.

May I telegraph Kennedy that you will turn it over
to him?

Admiral

Stark:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

The way to get it over to him would be to send it
up to Halifax and then by destroyer.

-3Welles:

368

The other thing the President wanted me to take

up at this meeting is the question of the French
gold.
Can we send the entire gold holdings to
this country?

H.M.Jr:

We sent our cruisers over three different times
and they
know
it. brought over gold and the public didn't

Welles:

It is dangerous for our cruisers to take this gold.

The times are different now. Could the SS WASHINGTON

take this gold?

H. M. Jr:

I think it would be worse for the WASHINGTON to take

it than a battleship.

(Welles was talking about French gold and the Secretary about our gold.)
H.M.Jr:

Oh, I am prepared to buy this gold and then it will
be all right to ship it on our battleships. I think
it would be terrible to put this gold on the WASHING-

TON and then have it torpedoed.

(H. M. Jr. sent for Cochran) How much gold has the
government of France got - just give me a guess.
Cochran:

H.M.Jr:

In the bank proper one billion dollars. I could

check it in about three minutes.
Check this and also let me know how much a billion

dollars of gold weighs. (Cochran left)

I will take title to this gold the minute it goes
aboard an American destroyer or cruiser.

Welles:

Then you are prepared to take title of all the

H. M. Jr:

Now wait a minute - well as soon as it is put on

French and British gold?
an American ship.

How sure are you of Portugal?
Welles:

For the time being, I think it is all right.

H. M. Jr:

We could always keep

(Secretary Woodring

walked in.)

I think a billion dollars of gold is a thousand

tons. Admiral Stark, could you put it on one ship?

-4363
Admiral

Stark:
H.

M.

Jr:

Admiral

Not unless we sent a tanker over.

Could you put it on three cruisers?

Stark:

I think we could put it on two.

H. M. Jr:

I don't know whether you agree with me but I would

rather see the gold put on a battleship than on the

WASHINGTON.

Stark:
H.M.Jr:

I think it would be a mistake to put the gold on a
passenger ship which is liable to attack.
I will buy the gold kit-and-boodle the minute it
goes on the ship. I will buy as much as the President wants me to, cheerfully.

Welles:

Well, now we have to decide where it is to be picked
up. I think it would be easiest if the cruisers go
to Bordeaux - that that is the problem for Admiral
Stark to decide. It is now between you and the Navy.

H.M.Jr:

I would be delighted to handle it with the Navy pro-

vided that they handle all the messages.
I have a confession to make in that on one or two
occasions, the President has permitted me to communicate with Bullitt through the Navy. Nobody knows

H.M.Jr:

that. What I would do is that the Navy Attache
would get that message and give it to Bullitt.
I would like to see it handled that way.
(Addressed to Stark) All messages about this gold

Stark:

We never send all of one message in the same code.

Welles:

Welles:

should be handled in Navy code.

We use more than one.

I think all our telegrams are being read by the
Germans.

It is now out of my hands - it is between you and
the Navy.

-5370

(At this point, H. M. Jr., called the White House

and asked if he could postpone his meeting with
the President to 11:30. General Watson suggested
11:15 and said that he would notify Hopkins.)
(Cochran returns)
Cochran:

The French have 2 billion dollars of gold including stabilization fund. The United Kingdom has
1 billion 162 million plus or about 1 billion and
a half altogether. One ton of gold is worth 1
million 20 thousand dollars. (Cochran told H.M.Jr.,
after the meeting that this did not include Polish
and Belgian gold in France.)

H.M.Jr:

Could you take 250 tons?

Stark:

Can you tell me how much the cruiser brought out

H.M.Jr:

Yes, I remember it. Each cruiser brought out 25
million dollars. Can you take 250 million dollars

before?

at one time?

Stark:

Yes, I think so. I might even take 500 tons but
it would mean removing some of the ammunition.

H.M.Jr:

Woodring:

After Secretary Woodring and General Marshall go

would you and Mr. Welles stay behind and I will
call the President and ask him what he wants. I
will then prepare the cable.
I am in complete accord in working this out. Mar-

shall says it will take five days to get this stuff
together. He thinks that the authorization bill

will be through in five days. We ought to get this
into the bill. Pressure ought to go from us and
the President to the leaders to get this thing in.
If five days failed, we ought to get an opinion
from the Attorney General that it is legal to do

what is proposed under the alternative plan.
H.M.Jr:

Phil, get Purvis to designate someone who is most
able to come down here and work with General Mar-

shall to handle the transportation, etc.

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371

General

Marshall:

Woodring:

In order to put this over at once you must get the
sales agent in here. We must first get the manufacturer in here to make the turn-over to them
and put the sales agent in touch with the manufacturer.
Where is this stuff - in Aberdeen?

General

Marshall: I don't know offhand - I think most of it is.
H.M.Jr:
Harry, you push this thing like hell. Get the

formal statement from the Attorney General at once.

Woodring:

We will ask the President to get this thing up

Stark:

General Marshall, you are handling all the TNT

there right away.

powder.

General

Marshall:

Yes, we are.

Stark:

We are practically clear on the powder line.
(Then telephoned the President at ten minutes to
eleven. Crim came to the phone and told the Seoretary that the President was not available; that he
was taking his bath. H. M. Jr: "If I game over,
do you think the President would throw me out? I
will take a chance and go in with General Watson.")
I can take 500 tons on one ship (returning back to
the question of the French gold)

H.M.Jr:

Stark:

H. M. Jr:

Is the Trenton, there?

Stark:

Yes, the Trenton is in Lisbon, and the Vincinnes is
on the way over. In addition, the Omaha goes on the

15th.

H. M. Jr:

Is there any reason why the Trenton shouldn't go into

Stark:

In talking with the President we agreed to keep the
ships out of the Mediterranean.
(It was pointed out to Admiral Stark that Bordeaux
was not in the Mediterranean. Whereupon, Admiral
Stark inspected the map to find out where Bordeaus

H. M. Jr:

Bordeaux immediately?

was.)

-7Stark:

372

I don't think it is a good idea for our ships to go
into belligerent ports. Bordeaux is in the zone

where there may be mines and things and the President

agreed with that policy.

Welles:

The
only unfinished
business is to get the message
to Ambassador
Bullitt.

H. M. Jr:

Admiral, where will you be? Why don't you and I
walk over to the White House together.

We went over to the White House and the President

agreed that the United States battleships should bring back
the gold.

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Calendar No. 1726
76TH

CONGRESS
3p SESSION

S. 4025
[Report No. 1649]

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
MAY 22 (legislative day. APRIL 24), 1940
Mr. SHEPPARD introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred

to the Committee on Military Affairs
MAY 22 (legislative day. APRIL 24). 1940
Reported by Mr. SHEPPARD. without amendment

A BILL
To expedite the strengthening of the national defense.
1

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-

2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

3 That in order to expedite the building up of the national
4 defense, the Secretary of War is authorized, out of the
5 moneys appropriated for the War Department for national
6 defense purposes for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1941,

7 with or without advertising, (1) to provide for the neces8 sary construction, rehabilitation, and installation at military
9 posts, depots, stations, or other localities, of plants, buildings,

10 facilities, utilities, and appurtenances thereto, including the
11 acquisition of such land as may be necessary, for the develop-

2

3

1 ment, manufacture, maintenance, and storage of military
1 balloons that may be equipped and maintained, shall be

2 equipment, munitions, and supplies, and for shelter; (2) to

2 suspended during the fiscal year 1941.

3 provide for the development, purchase, manufacture, ship-

3

SEC. 4. The Secretary of War is further authorized to

4 ment, maintenance, and storage of military equipment,
4 employ such additional personnel at the seat of government

5 munitions, and supplies, and for shelter, at such places and

5 and elsewhere, and to provide for such printing and binding,
6 under such conditions as he may deem necessary; and (3) to
6 communication service, supplies, and travel expenses, as he

7 enter into such contracts, and to amend or supplement such
7 may deem necessary to carry out the purposes of this Act:
8 existing contracts, as he may deem necessary to carry out

8 Provided, That with respect to any personnel employed in

9 the purposes specified in this section: Provided, That any

9 connection with the national-defense program of the United

10 statutory limitation with respect to the cost of any individual

10 States the provisions of section 6 of the Act of August 24,

11 project of construction authorized by this section shall be

11 1912 (37 Stat. 555), may be waived in any case when

12 suspended until and including June 30, 1942.
I

12 approved by the Secretary of War.

13

SEC. 2. (a) During the fiscal year 1941, all existing
14 limitations with respect to the number of flying cadets in
15 the Army Air Corps, and with respect to the number and

13

SEC. 5. The President is authorized, through the appro-

14 priate agencies of the Government (1) to provide for
15 emergencies affecting the national security and defense and

16 rank of Reserve Air Corps officers who may be ordered to

16 for each and every purpose connected therewith, including

17 extended active duty with the Air Corps, shall be suspended.

17 all of the objects and purposes specified under any appropria-

18

(b) The President may, during the fiscal year 1941,
19 assign officers and enlisted men to the various branches of

18 tion available or to be made available to the War Depart19 ment for the fiscal years 1940 and 1941, (2) to provide for

20 the Army in such numbers as he considers necessary,

20 the furnishing of Government-owned facilities at privately

21 irrespective of the limitations on the strength of any par-

21 owned plants, (3) to provide for the procurement and train-

22 ticular branch of the Army set forth in the National Defense

22 ing of civilian personnel necessary in connection with the

23 Act of June 3, 1916, as amended.

23 protection of critical and essential items of equipment and

or
24

SEC. 3. All existing limitations with respect to the num25 ber of serviceable airplanes, airships, and free and captive

24 material and the use or operation thereof, and (4) to provide

25 for the procurement of strategic and critical materials in

obiving Huch as

4

1 accordance with the Act of June 7, 1939, without regard
2 to section 3709 of the Revised Statutes; but the aggregate
3 amount to be used by the President for all such purposes

4 shall not exceed $66,000,000. The President is further
5 authorized, through such agencies, to enter into contracts
6 for such purposes in an aggregate amount not exceeding
7 $66,000,000. An account shall be kept of all expenditures
8 made or authorized under this section, and a report thereon

9 shall be submitted to the Congress on or before June 30,
10 1942.
11

SEC. 6. Whenever the President determines that it is

12 necessary in the interest of national defense to prohibit or
13 curtail the exportation of any military equipment or muni14 tions, or component parts thereof, or machinery, tools, or
15 material necessary for the manufacture or servicing thereof,
16 he may by proclamation prohibit or curtail such exportation,
17 except under such rules and regulations as he shall prescribe.
18 Any such proclamation shall describe the articles or materials

19 included in the prohibition or curtailment contained therein.
20 In case of the violation of any provision of any proclamation,
21 or of any rule or regulation, issued hereunder, such violator
22 or violators, upon conviction, shall be punished by a fine of

23 not more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not more
24 than two years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
25 The authority granted in this section shall terminate June
26 30, 1942, unless the Congress shall otherwise provide.

RE AIR EXPANSION PROGRAM

Present:

May 30, 1940
2:30 p.m.

Mr. Young
Mr. Mead

Captain Kraus

Mr. Wilson
Mr. Foley
Mrs. Klotz

H.M.Jr:

Young:

H.M.Jr:

11 You (Young) can tell Purvis tomorrow morning
he can have twenty of those speed boats from
the Electric Boat Company, twenty.
Why tomorrow morning?

Because I don't want him to know it before

Mr. Edison does. V

Klotz:

That was the right question.

H.M.Jr:

Is that all right?

Wilson:

Perfectly.

H.M.Jr:

I should have sworn you into the Treasury.

Kraus:

He was in the Navy long enough to know what

Young:

H.M.Jr:

Do you have the deliveries?
Admiral Stark didn't know and was trying to

Kraus:

That sounds right.

H.M.Jr:

And the Navy keeps two of each. Does that

to tell and what not to tell.

get them, but there is ten that dropped
mines, I think, and ten that dropped torpedoes,
something like that. Does that sound right?

sound right?

Kraus:

I know they are built both ways, some with
torpedo tubes and some with mine gear.

H.M.Jr:
Wilson:

Yes. Everything lovely?

Yes, sir. Except the weather. I have been

keeping an eye on that.

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375

-2H.M.Jr:

I see. In this conversation that you have

been having, have you made a rough estimate

of how much it would cost to reproduce your
plant, which I see by the papers 18 going to
reach a million two hundred thousand horse?

Is that correct?

Wilson:

Yes, sir. The present plant of this AngloFrench purchase 18 just starting. It will
bring us up to a capacity of one million two
hundred thousand horse power a month, and the
total investment will be on the order of
twenty million.

H.M.Jr:

They cost less than the other fellows.

Mead:

But this is only an addition to the plant
they have got. It is not reproducing anything.

Wilson:

Mead:

Wilson:

Let's put it this way, that before we started
this expansion program our plant account was
of the order of seven million. The French
additions were seven million seven hundred
thousand, that is fourteen, and the British
was eight million on top of that.
I think I know what the Secretary should know,
that Pratt & Whitney build fewer parts, perhaps,
than Wright do.

That 18 right, that makes the difference. Half
of our dollar, as I said the other evening,
goes to outside suppliers and Wright builds
much more of their own plant.

H.M.Jr:

Then I take it they have asked you the question
that you are going to give me the answer to by
Tuesday, that -- which way you would suggest
duplicating a million two hundred thousand

horse in manufacturing one of your largest
engines.

Wilson:

Yes, sir, I will try to have an estimate by
Tuesday.

H.M.Jr:

Along what lines are you thinking now, Mr.
Wilson?

-3Wilson:

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Our war plan as we had originally contemplated
it for the Air Corps provided only for one
more addition in our plant and that was the
extension in the back, and beyond that we

haven't planned any further. If we started in
now and developed a plant to duplicate the
present capacity in one area instead of the
arrangement we now have --

H.M.Jr:

Well, the President is insisting on more plants
west of the Alleghanies, definitely wanting them,
and I want to give him a program as early as
possible and then show him what it will cost,
etc., etc., 80 I would like to have you give
us a program, you see.

Wilson:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

I mean, he has got this very much in his mind
and he wants another one, so it is a question
of whether you want to -- how would you do it,
that 18 the thing I want from you? Would you
rather tie up with an automobile company?

Wilson:

I think we would want to think that through
pretty carefully before we answered. It 18

a question, a good deal, of how much dilution

there is of our own staff and it is kind of a

moot question as to whether you should look
to someone that had an organization that
needed to be trained or whether you had to

train out of your own people.

H.M.Jr:

But you will have that pretty clear.

Wilson:

Yes, sir, I will do that.

H.M.Jr:

And I understand from Mr. Mead that the

Wilson:

Yes, sir, it 18.
All right. Let me ask you this, as an

H.M.Jr:

licensing thing 18 in pretty good shape.

aviation engine man. You will get a laugh
out of this one. What liquid cooled engine
in the world, outside of Germany, do you
consider as practical and proven today?

Wilson:

Well, of course, the English engines, the

-4Rolls Royce, is about the only proven liquid
cooled that I know of. The Italians must
have something, haven't they, George?

Mead:

Not very much.

Wilson:

Then the English --

H.M.Jr:

Do you know much about the Rolla?

Wilson:

Only that they have been ingenious. We know
approximately how many of them have been

built and that they have been reasonably
successful. They always have been pretty

well advanced as a model.
H.M.Jr:

But outside of that --

Wilson:

That is the only one I know of.
Well, is there something you would like to

H.M.Jr:

ask me?

Wilson:
H.M.Jr:

No, sir. I think we are all squared as far

as I am concerned.

Lovely. Well, then, I will tell you, I would
like to talk with George Mead and Kraus a
little bit. Is there something you want to
raise?

Foley:

No.

H.M.Jr:

I would like to talk with them a little bit.

Young:

H.M.Jr:

Philip, do you want to see me again today?
I hope not.

I don't think so. I would like to see

Mrs. Klotz again.

Well, I need her at three thirty when I
go to the White House.

Young:

Three thirty?

H.M.Jr:

Can you wait that long?

Young:

Sure.

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-5H.M.Jr:

378

All
right. Thank you very much for coming
down.
(Mr. Young, Mr. Wilson, and Mr. Foley

left the conference).

H.M.Jr:

Bring me up to date, now, will you please,
where we stand on the Allison and where do
we stand on the Rolls, I mean what 18 the
situation?

Mead:

All right. On the Allison situation, I

got in touch with Allison and I told him --

made perfectly clear to him through a third
party, you know, how serious this situation

was, and that I wasn't satisfied that I had
impressed them sufficiently in Indianapolis
about it. Consequently, I felt that I must
go to them because we couldn't brook any

further delay. Subsequently I had word that
he would send his chief engineer to Indianapolis
and investigate the situation before he came
down here. I wanted to have him come down

here first, but I couldn't very well insist

on that. Furthermore, he was going to get
Henry Crane, who is Sloan's assistant on
engineering matters, up from Florida and they
were to meet here just as soon as they had
reviewed the situation from an engineering

standpoint. Now, I think no word is good

word -- good news, because I think they have
found that what we were talking about is

a mess, but I expect them on the first of

the week anyway. We haven't heard from
them, and in the meanwhile, I have talked

to Brett and prior to that talked to Echole,

on the program of running an engine at

reduced horse power as the maximum power we

will use that engine in service to indicate

whether it was safe or not to ship engines
at that power. It has 950 horse power instead
of 1,090 horse power. That is my educated
guess on what might get by, but I am honestly
afraid that it won't; and rather than argue
about it, it was thought best to have the
engine run at Dayton and see.

H.M.Jr:

May I interrupt you a minute? I thought you

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were going to run this engine at full power
at Dayton.

Mead:

Well, that 18 full reduced power, because we
are sure from the test record that they cannot
run it at 1,090 horse power.

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

Then, is that 80 or 90% of power?
Ninety percent.

H.M.Jr:

You are not running it at full power as in

Mead:

No, because they have not changed it any and

take-off?

the only way to get it by is to reduce the

power.

H.M.Jr:

Did you (Klotz) see the thing come down giving

Kraus:

You might explain to the Secretary -I didn't know that that was what you were

H.M.Jr:

George Mead the right to fly? It is in my mail
somewhere. It came down. Anyway, you (Mead)
have authorization to fly.

doing.

Mead:

Well, we are confronted with the situation of
the engines that haven't passed test, and we
are shipping them out or trying to get them
out of the plant. When you look at the engine
and see that it is weak here and here and here,
from test record, not from my judgment of the

matter -- that is backed up by actual running
today. They broke these parts. I said to
myself, "Well, here we don't want to ship
those out and crash planes and possibly hurt
pilots," that we have got to reduce the power
as much as the Army will stand for and enough
to give the engine a break, 80 actually the
English fighters for quite a long time operated
with power like this, 950 take-off horse power,
80 that Echols agrees it makes a perfectly
good airplane. It slows it down obviously,
because we have knocked off a hundred and forty
horse power, but it is a perfectly sensible
thing to do and it is all within our control,
and it is -- the Army doesn't have to change
the contract or anything, they just order their

-7 pilots to operate the engine not over 950
horse power. But there wasn't any sense
in saying that was going to solve the problem
unless we made a good check, so that is the
reason for running the two engines at that
power.

H.M.Jr:

There are two engines --

Mead:

One is supposed to be at Indianapolis and
one at Dayton.

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

And that isn't complete yet?
No, I don't understand why it takes them
80 damn long to get it started.

H.M.Jr:

Is Dayton slow?

Mead:

Yes, but don't you worry about that.

H.M.Jr:

No, I am not, I am trying to get the story.
I am not going to do anything about it, but
I am just thinking of arguments for the

President.
Mead:

That is the next thing on that phase of it.
The next thing was, I told Evans, whom I
think is a fine man and a good chap -- but

his trouble is that he is brand new to
aviation. He is scared to death to tell

the engineering department what to do be-

cause he might upset the boat. I can see
that perfectly. So my solution is to tell
Sloan that you want to get Carl Ward in
there to help Evans with the judgment of
an aviation executive.

H.M.Jr:

Carl Ward will be gone for three months.

Mead:

Well, apparently we can get him.

H.M.Jr:

Well, that would be sort of breaking faith

Mead:

He is the only fellow that is foot-loose.
That would be breaking faith I wanted to

H.M.Jr:

with the French.

hire him for the Government for three months

380

-8before I met you and they said no, that -Mead:

Well, some things are weak --

H.M.Jr:

And I never offered to hire him, mind you,
because of that, and I said I wouldn't hire
him and I have sort of got my word, 80 I
let the matter drop. Then this thing got
80 deep that I came to you. I never had him

in the office.

Mead:

A man has got to go in there that knows
aviation to supplement them, that 1s, they
were an experimental shop before. They are
doing production work now that involves
production decisions, and they are not able
to make them. The next thing 18 the Army
has got a nice old man out there as an
inspector, and nobody can stand back and

tell those fellows where to get off, 80 I
talked to Brett and I picked out the man
for him. His name is Irvine. I know he is

a two-fisted fellow that knows what to do
about it, and he said he would send him out
there after this air show, which is over at
the end of the week, to represent the Air
Corps and the factory. That will make some
considerable change, because they promised

us a lot of things and I am willing to bet

that if we went out today they haven't done
much about any of it. They are not serious
about this yet.
Now, the next thing I told Evans was, this
stuff has broken time after time, and he has

not fixed it.

H.M.Jr:
Mead:

Kraus:
Mead:

Where did it break, in the plane?

Well, they broke a rod in a plane at ten

hours the other day. That is apt to start
a fire.
It cuts the engine in two, very frequently.
Now, I told Evans we have got to have solutions
for every one of these problems, not one but
three or four.

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-9H.M.Jr:

I want to be
Knudsen
andhere
-- when I put you up against

Mead:

I thinkabout.
we are talking in some language we
know

H.M.Jr:

I want to be here. I want to see that.

Mead:

Well, Evans agreed that it was sort of
silly for them to have sat back and not
provided for any solutions to these things.
So I said, "I can't order you to do anything,
but I would suggest that you do 80 and 80 and
80 as solutions." So he wrote those all down
and said he would start to do them. But he
hasn't got an experimental shop to do any
work and he hasn't had one for a year. He

has got the darn thing full of production
80 you can hardly find the engineering
department when they had nothing to work
on.

H.M.Jr:

Well, the story, then, is that we don't know,
we haven't had the answer to these tests,

have we?
Mead:

Have you got a minute?

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Mead:

These failures are supposedly going to be

backed up by parts that will fix them in

several different ways, 80 the reason for
running two engines, of course, is the more
engines we can run the more sure we will
get the answer. We might accidentally break
something in one engine. Now, they are all
agreed to that and Brett has agreed, and
Allison has agreed to this running procedure

so that that part is all going along all

right, but to get at General Motors, we just
haven't got there yet, but I am hopeful in a
day or two. I suppose we will have to wait

on them a little bit.
Now, Allison gives us all kinds of silly

excuses as to why these things break. They
said the test man was responsible and the

propeller, and somebody made them use a

cock-eyed starter, and that was one of the

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- 10 things
and we have gotten by with our jobs
for years.
H.M.Jr:

I want to have two hours with you and this

fellow Knudsen. I am going to tell him -what 18 my first appointment Monday? I am
going to tell him I'll see him at nine o'clock
Monday
morning.
Will you be back? You ought
to be nice
and fresh.

Mead:

If the train isn't late I will be here. My
train gets in, I guess, a little before nine
o'clock.

H.M.Jr:

All those sleeping trains do.
That 18 a polite name for it. Now, another
thing I have done so as to leave no stone

Mead:

unturned, I have got draftsmen downstairs
right this minute drawing up solutions to
the troubles with an idea that we have done
everything for them. We have got experts
from other engine companies under our direction,
at least they have been taken off their payrolls
and turned over to us. We can show him, that

is, Allison, in a drawing just how he could

fix it if he would; and naturally, we are not
going to tell him he has got to do it that

way, but -H.M.Jr:

You mean you have actually got draftsmen downstairs?

Mead:

Yes, sir.
On the floor below.

Kraus:
Mead:

Because I thought we are sitting in the seat
of being responsible and the only way I can
do it is, I will take off my coat and go to
Allison and make it run 1f we have to, and

here is the way I would do it. Well, then,
I am hopeful, of course, to get Allison in
here and have them agree with us that the
thing 18 rotten and I have had a lot of
data prepared to show how rotten this engine
is, even if you allowed it to have 1,090
horse power. It is nothing compared to the

Rolls Royce engine. The Rolls Royce engine

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- 11 -

was done -- three years ago it was in production
and this engine was built eleven years ago, that
is, the fundamental engine and they still

haven't caught up with Rolls, and we have done

in our own -- and Kraus was just remarking -in twenty-two months from the time we put
pencil to paper, we have had quantities of
engines going out of the factory.

H.M.Jr:

How long?

Mead:

Twenty-two months.

Kraus:

Of an entirely new type.

H.M.Jr:

I understand. Let me ask you this question.
Let's go to Rolls Royoe a minute. What is
your idea on Rolls Royce?

Mead:

Well, on Rolls Royce we have got coming, as

you know, the drawings and incidentally in
that information will be other things we want
them to see before we make a decision, but

there is one thing I should correct for you.
You and I spoke of it. There are no parts

in the metric system, but the threads are a
British standard thread and they are sometimes
measured by the metric system and they are

built in the United States 80 that --

H.M.Jr:

You mean we can build them?

Mead:

Oh Lord, yes, 80 I wanted to correct that one
thing because.I have been 80 positive about
it and I went back and checked up on it and
our boys have been going through the Rolls
drawings, and those fellows have sent us

everything they had in Detroit, and they sent
a man down with it. Now, the Rolls engines,
I told you, perhaps, that I didn't want them
to run those engines for fear they would
break them and we have got no other parts
and we need them for samples and almost

everywhere we have been we have got Wilson's

thought -- and I thought that was a very
clever way to give it -- there will be no
question as to that being the proper engine
to build.

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- 12 H.M.Jr:
Mead:

Who do you think ought to build it?
Ford, simply because of the stock. I don't
think Edsel quite knows the story, and I
will have Olley, the Rolla Royce man, confront
him with the fact that he has done 80 in
Detroit. They called up from Detroit and
wanted to know if we would loan them some

of the bearings, because the British suggested
they needed more roller bearings and ball
bearings.

H.M.Jr:

Who should loan them?

Mead:

We should let the bearing company that has
been ordered by Rolls Royce to manufacture
the bearings, to see them and measure them,

80 I said all right, I would let them do

that because Rolls has done everything for

us.

H.M.Jr:

You mean let them see the actual bearings?

Mead:

Yes, let them measure them and put them back

with the understanding they would be responsible

for it, but I think that would help Rolls Royce.

H.M.Jr:

Now, was Admiral Stark right when he said he

understood the trouble with the Allison engine
was the super charger?

Mead:

Oh no.

Kraus:

It added somewhat to the troubles, perhaps.

H.M.Jr:

He said he understood that.

Mead:

They had exhaust driven super chargers on
some installations and the turbine itself
has never been any too good, but they didn't

build that, General Electric built it. Now,
on the later engines, they have got what we
call an engine driven super charger, which

I think 18 fairly reliable.

Kraus:

The only effect there was that it added to
the loading on the engine and the engine
was already in difficulty in developing its

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- 13 -

load and -- that is, the power absorbed in

driving the super charger was an appreciable
drain on the engine.

H.M.Jr:

But in talking with Ford tomorrow, the thing
I thought I would start in with was something
like this. "Now, Mr. Ford, we have got to
get more engines, a great deal more. If you
had your choice of building a successful
aviation engine, what kind would you build?"

Mead:

All right.

H.M.Jr:

Now, what I would love to do is, I would love

to go down and see these men in their drawing
room. Are they downstairs today?

Mead:

I am pretty sure they are. I have got a
Scotchman that told me when I left the company
that if I ever wanted him, just to say 80, 80
I asked the chief engineer.

H.M.Jr:

What room is it?

Mead:

They are down on the floor just below this one.

H.M.Jr:

Just pull up the phone. Well, do you think
it costs forty or forty-five million dollars
or does it cost twenty-million to expand a

If I could talk to Taylor or --

plant?

Kraus:

It depends upon how much they depend upon

Mead:

They are right here in the building, but the
draftsman is actually on the board and he is

outside sources for many parts.

the one who answered the telephone.

Kraus:

H.M.Jr:
Kraus:

The Wright Company runs its own foundry.

There is such a difference between twenty

million dollars and forty-five million dollars.
It 18 just about what I would expect. One
would say five dollar output for the dollar
of capital invested, and the other about ten
dollar output. Of course, that other investment 18 in those vendors' plants, and if you

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337

can obtain the support of sufficient reliable

vendors, then the Pratt & Whitney method is
much simpler and much easier.

Mead:

I would like to explain how that came about.

When we went to Hartford, we didn't have any
money 80 we got our friend to make things for
us and then we kept it up because it kept the
plant investment down and they were all within

trucking distance of us. Now, I think in an
emergency there is a question as to whether
that is an entirely good system or not, but
it was a fine system for us.

H.M.Jr:

On the other hand, if we can build an engine

Mead:

we put forty five million into it?
I think it is a lot to be considered.

H.M.Jr:

I am Scotch, too.

Kraus:

You have to worry about -- remember about these
various engines which were developed. Now,

factory for twenty million dollars, why should
we -- and then all on the supplies, why should

Wright thinks they have certain castings that
almost nobody else can make. That may be

true. It 18 the question of how long it

would take to teach somebody how to make

those particular castings that they make.

You people never made castings.
Mead:

Davis made the foundry. He built us the
foundry in Fairfield, Connecticut. It didn't
cost us a cent.

H.M.Jr:

Incidentally, did Wright say which town it
was?

Mead:

No, I told them one, two, three, please.

H.M.Jr:

I should think offhand if a fellow could
get an airplane for t wenty million dollars

and depend upon the rest of the industry
and another thing -- in case of dynamiting

Mead:

or something, it spreads the risk.
That is true.

388

- 15 H.M.Jr:

There is quite a difference.

Mead:

But it 18 difficult, and that 18 something
we have to think about, to find vendors that
are somewhere near the plant, the point being
that you have got to back and forth all the

time to say, "Here, darn it, you made a mistake
on that," and 80 and so, and if you have got to
go twenty-four hours before you get it, you are
delayed that much.

H.M.Jr:

Let me give you a friendly tip. Somebody has
been telling the President that the Navy planes
aren't fast enough. Somebody said that they
would only do about two hundred twenty-five
miles an hour. They asked why they don't do
what the Army planes do. I don't know what
the answer 18.

Kraus:

H.M.Jr:

Yes, sir. I will tell my home folks over
there.

Somebody has been telling him your stuff isn't

as good as the Army's.
Mead:

H.M.Jr:

Do you think of anything we have left undone?
No, I think you have done a beautiful job;
and if it is the last thing I do, I am going
to sit here and take two hours when you go
after Knudsen.

Kraus:

George, have you given up the idea of comparing

parts or are you still going to do that in the
end?

Mead:

I am having f lown in here from Dayton when
Echols comes--

H.M.Jr:

Who is he?

Mead:

He is the head of the Wright Field. You might
call him chief engineer of the Army Air Corps,

that 18 really what he 18. I have got

crankshafts out of the Rolls engine and the

Allison engine and connecting rods and

reduction gears, and I have got a table for
them here, and I am going to just put them
there and I bet you could tell the difference,

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- 16 even though that 18 out of your line.
H.M.Jr:
Mead:

And
too. we will take Mr. Knudsen down there,

Sure. I know I am sticking my neck out,

buthave
I don't
care.
we
got to
do.

I think it is the thing

H.M.Jr:

What can they do to you?

Mead:

Nothing except to say I am an awfully con-

servative fellow, and that won't hurt me a

bit,
because I think the engine will talk
for us.
Kraus:

The Secretary asked what broke about it,
what was wrong with reference to this super

charger. I believe you did tell him that

the crankshafts were broken, connecting rods
were broken, and the crankcase itself was

broken, and I think there is a history of some
five or six such occurrences, all paralleled
by tests. --

Mead:

Kraus:

They have been ignored. They think somehow
if they keep running enough engines by some

mysterious means they will get by the test.
Those things, of course, are the basic -that is what you might call the carcass of
the engine.

Mead:

We don't care. We overlook a lot of little
things like cracks that leak oil that don't

hurt anybody, and bolts that break off but
don't necessarily amount to a serious accident,
and so on, but these things cannot happen,
trouble.

Mr. Secretary, without getting into real
H.M.Jr:

Okay. I think you are doing fine.

New American
Program

1500 to 2000 hp.
C. W.

3350

P&Y

2800

C. W.

2600

Total
on Order

Combined

323

40

363

9,119

1,240

10,359

27,877

6,700

34,577

37,319

7.980

45,299

1000 to 1200 hp.
C. W.

1820

12,962

3,300

16,262

P&W

1830

3,484

4,030

7,514

V-1710

9.396

4,184

13,580

25,842

11,514

37.356

Allison

600 hp.
P&W

1535

-

900

900

P&Y

1340

1,985

1,480

3,465

1,985

2,380

4,365

400 hp.
P&W

985

8,560

590

9,150

C. W.

975

5,061

260

5.321

Ranger

770

2,150
15,771

-

850

2,150
16,621

200 hp.
C. W.

760

3,524

Lycoming

680

1,845

Jacobs

675

675

-

Continental

670

3,420

-

Ranger

L-440

1,350

-

Menasco

L-365

1,136
11.950

Total Engines
30. 1940

92,867

-

-

-

-

22,724

3,524
1,845
675

3,420
1,350
1,136
11,950

115,591

390

May 30, 1940

391

Memorandum for the Secretary:

From investigations made by Dr. Th. von Karman, Dr. Clark B.
Millikan, Dr. A. E. Lombard and Professor Otto D. Koppen of

the possibilities of using plywood, molded plastic or other
non-conventional materials in the construction of primary

training aircraft the following conclusions and recommendations

can be drawn:

1. That the Army and Navy should use the same type of air-

craft for primary training.

2. That a single suitable airplane and engine type be selected for primary training.
3. That a construction method be adopted that does not
require skilled men and materials necessary for the
manufacture of combat types.

4. That there are two possibilities for securing high production on military training types:
a. Through the use of molded, resin-bonded plywoods, and

b. Through the use of welded steel automobile body
sheet.

True molded plastic materials are not yet developed at

the present time to the point where their application
at least three specific types of plywood construction
which have been sufficiently developed to make it
reasonably certain that any of them could be satisfactorily adapted to the large-scale production of training planes. Although no detailed design and production
studies of the steel training planes have 80 far been
made, it is believed that the engineering problems involved are well enough understood to make it highly
probable that such airplanes could be produced suffi-

to aircraft construction is practical. There now exist

ciently in quantity in the near future.

Studies will be continued on this problem to work out some def-

inite program that will be mutually satisfactory to the services

and to the manufacturers. It must be understood, however, that
for the requirements of the immediate future it will be necessa-

ry to utilize the facilities that now exist for the manufacture

of training airplanes of the conventional type, while the devel-

opment of plastic-plywood or sheet steel machines 18 being completed and preparations are being made for production.

Gary mead

(

MAY 30 1940

by dear Mr. Secretary:

I want you to know how such I appreciate
your courtesy in permitting Colonel H. K.
Rutherford and Major W. H. Soderholn to participate in the machine tool conference held
in my office on May 27. 1940.

The pertinent and useful information presented by these officers at the conference will
be of great value as we develop this program.
Sincerely,
R
Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.

The Honorable

The Secretary of Mar.

NMS

File to Mr. Thompson

392

393

MAY 3 0 1940

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I want you to know how much I appreciate

your courtesy in permitting Captain E. D. Alay,

Consander E. R. Henning and 0. S. Warbus, Engi-

neer, to participate in the machine tool conference held in my office on May 27, 1940.

The pertinent and useful information presented by these gentlemen at the conference will
be of great value as we develop this program.
Sincerely,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.

The Honorable

The Secretary of the Nevy.

File to Mr. Thompson

NMS

May 30, 1940

My dear Mao:

I would appreciate it if you would pass
the following idea along to the President.
Monday, at 10:30, the machine tool people
plus the Army and Navy representatives will meet

for the second time in my office and I think it
would be advisable if either Mr. Stettinius or
Mr. Knudsen, or both, would come to my office,
sit in at this meeting, and then take over the
machine tool problem in toto. This will leave
me freer to look after the coordination of air-

planes and airplane engines for the Army and Navy

and also continue to lock after foreign purchases.
Sincerely yours,

Mr. William H. McReynolds,

Admini G trative Assistant to the President,

The White House.

335

May 30, 1940

My dear Mao:

I would appreciate it 1f you would pass
the following idea along to the President.
Monday, at 10:30, the machine tool people
plus the Army and Navy representatives will meet

for the second time in my office and I think it
would be advisable if either Mr. Stettinius or
Mr. Knudsen, or both, would come to my office,
sit in at this meeting, and then take over the
machine tool problem in toto. This will leave
me freer to look after the coordination of air-

planes and airplane engines for the Army and Navy

and also continue to look after foreign purchases.
Sincerely yours,

Mr. William H. HoReynolds,

Administrative Assistant to the President,
The White House.

393

May 30, 1940

My dear Mac:

I would appreciate it if you would pass
the following idea along to the President.
Monday, at 10:30, the machine tool people
plus the Army and Navy representatives will meet

for the second time in my office and I think it
would be advisable if either Mr. Stettinius or
Mr. Knudsen, or both, would come to my office,
sit in at this meeting, and then take over the
machine tool problem in tctc. This will leave
me freer to look after the coordination of air-

planes and airplane engines for the Army and Navy

and also continue to look after foreign purchases.
Sincerely yours,

Mr. William H. MoReynolds,

Administrative Assistant to the President,

The White House.

397
May 31, 1940
4:10 p.m.

Present:

Mr. Bell

Mr. White
Mr. Foley

Mr. Young

Mrs. Klotz

H.M.Jr:

Harry, on this statement I read on the Hill,
who were the people who worked on it most?

Sullivan said it was you and Gaston.

White:

Only in the afternoon. To my knowledge, it

was Roy Blough and John Sullivan and Tarleau.

H.M.Jr:

Well, here 18 the point. Sullivan calls up

Klotz:

In the Speaker's room.

Bell:

You mean your testimony?

Klotz:

In the Speaker's room.

H.M.Jr:

Is it asking too much of you people or have
you any personal plans -- I have asked Bell,
White and Gaston to go over this between seven
and twelve tonight.

White:

Bell:

It is all right with me.
It 18 all right with me.

H.M.Jr:

Then Bell, I will get Sullivan now.

Klotz:

The Speaker's office of the Capital.

H.M.Jr:

If you (Bell) would tell Sullivan and White -there is no use having Foley, there is nothing
legal about this. We will wear you (Foley)

and says we can have from seven until twelve
tonight to correct my statement and the
Congressman says it must be gone over. Where
is he waiting now?

out some other night.

-2Foley:

I don't know what it is.

H.M.Jr:

My testimony.

White:

I thinktothere
refer
him. are some things that we can

H.M.Jr:

Well, you have got from seven until twelve
tonight.

Foley:

If you want me, I have nothing to do and I
whether I have anything to contribute.

H.M.Jr:

I think it 18 up to them. If I wanted you,
I would ask you but I think if there is Bell,

will be very glad to be here. I don't know

Sullivan, White and Gaston, I think we have
done enough. I think there 16 such a thing
as too many people huddling over it so that

you can't do it. Right?

Foley:

H.M.Jr:

I think that is right, sure. I think

John Sullivan --

If I wanted you, I would ask you. I am asking
these other people if it would interfere too

much.

Bell:

I don't think it is a big job. I think your
statement is in very good shape all the way
through.

H.M.Jr:

I have got to get out of here in five minutes.
While we are waiting, I am going to tell
Sullivan that you and White and Gaston are
available. Anything you want to ask, Dan?

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

Not a thing.
You know I showed you that secret thing.

Bell:

Yes.

White:

We have your permission to make whatever changes
seem reasonable to us?

333

-3393
H.M.Jr:

I am entirely in the hands of you gentlemen.

Are you all right?

Bell:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

You?

White:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Are you?

Foley:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

I saw over the ticker some finagling on the
knew all about it.
Annenberg business and Bob Jackson said he

Foley:

Phil came down to me --

H.M.Jr:

Don't tell me. Okay?
Yes, sir.

Foley:

H.M.Jr:

All right, thanks. I will be here - Phil,

have you got everything to Mrs. Klotz?
Klotz:

Yes, I gave you those memos and the President's

letter is out and that is going to go, Mr.

Morgenthau, there was a list of things you said -Bell:

Is Sullivan going to send him down?

White:

Who is going to get it?

H.M.Jr:

I am going to put Sullivan on Bell's telephone.
The only suggestion I would like to make, Dan,

Foley:

18 this: as you know, it is quite unusual for

them to ask for the unexpurgated copy and I
think that any changes you make, they will take

political advantage of to say, "This is what
he said, and this is the way he changed it," and
I think you ought not to make changes unless it
is absolutely necessary.
Bell:

We are going to change the word "agreement" that

you kept referring to to "understanding."

-4-

400

H.M.Jr:

All right.

Klotz:

H.M.Jr:

You said the other day to get a certain statement. Nothing has been done about it yet.
Kraus has a copy of it.
Give one to Brett.

Klotz:

It is different than we have ever done it

H.M.Jr:

I know. I want to stop it.

Young:

Young:

H.M.Jr:

before.

I have given you a list of what George Haas

has been making up.

Let it all go until Monday. The only thing
that I want you to do, as I told you once,
is what Kraus got on this thing that George
came through with on Tuesday. I want Brett

Klotz:

to have it today. I want it delivered to
just the foreign planes and write a letter
to Mr. Hull. Nobody else gets any. Got it?
Well, it 18 my fault. I prepared it and he

H.M.Jr:

Oh, but I want Brett to get that today, please.

Young:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

What was what's his name doing here all day?

Young:

Purvis?

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Young:

Theoretically, he was working with Marshall.

him by hand and Monday give me a summary of

gave it to me yesterday.

I tried to get them a couple of times to find
out what happened. My curiosity was aroused.

H.M.Jr:

You might find out about - yes, also the twenty
boats. Are we together, the three of us, now?

Klotz:

It is on me. I didn't attempt to clear it

with you, but he has been right on my heels.

Twice he has asked me.

-5Young:

H.M.Jr:

I told Purvis he could have the twenty boats.
Good, now, we will talk about the same thing,

about
this thing that George does. It 18
complete?
Young:

No, not quite.

Klotz:

There are two different things.
Does that apply to these to these other

Young:

analyses on a monthly basis?

H.M.Jr:

Just 80 as to get through tonight, will you,

please let General Brett have what we gave to
Captain Kraus.

Young:

Oh yes.

H.M.Jr:

Which is the report of the manufacture of planes
and engines last week.

Young:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Now, please let him have that. I don't want

to hear any complaints from the Army. For the

rest of the stuff, everything can wait until
Monday.
Young:

Right.

Klotz:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

Everything. Please personally see that he

Young:

The State Department has released the DuPont

H.M.Jr:

And I want to tell you, I don't want you to

Young:

I wouldn't want to work tomorrow.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I will leave that to you, but stay away

Young:

All right.

gets it.

contract for the new plant.

work tomorrow. Take tomorrow off.

from the office tomorrow, will you?

401

-6H.M.Jr:

You have earned it. Please.

Young:

All right. Good night.

402

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and mean 5/31/40

THE ORDERLY FINANCING OF FEDERAL EXPENDITURES, EXPANDED
AS THEY ARE BY EMERGENCY EXPENDITURES FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE,

REQUIRES PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL TAXES OR AN INCREASE IN THE

LIMIT ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. IN MY JUDGMENT, BOTH STEPS ARE
ESSENTIAL.

THEREFORE, THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT STRONGLY APPROVES

CONGRESSIONAL

CALLING
PROPOSALS

FOR 10 PER CENT

ES

INCREASES IN INCOME TAX PAYMENTS AND ADDITIONS TO OTHER INTERNAL

TAXES
REVENUE AND AUTHORIZATION FOR THREE BILLION DOLLARS OF NATIONAL
DEFENSE SECURITIES.

I AM CONVINCED THAT THE PUBLIC IS WILLING AND READY TO
ACCEPT THE PERSONAL SACHIFICES OF PAYING THE ADDITIONAL TAXES
THAT ARE NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THE COUNTRY WITH ADEQUATE NATIONAL
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testeroom before
House ways and means

Can. 5/31/40 Takes
to provide for defense

404

measures

In his budget message of January 3, 1940,

the President anticipated for the fiscal year 1941
an excess of expenditures over normal receipts of
$2,876,000,000. Recovery of excess capital funds
from Government corporations was estimated at
$700,000,000. The President recommended that

$460,000,000 additional taxes be imposed to cover

emergency national defense expenditures. This

left an anticipated deficit of $1,716,000,000
to be financed by borrowing.
Since that time events have taken place
that make necessary expenditures for national
defense that far exceed the amounts provided

for in the 1941 budget.

405

-2On the basis of appropriation bills which have
passed and those which are now pending in Congress,

the Treasury and the Bureau of the Budget estimate

that the deficit for the fiscal year 1941 will
amount to $3,703,000,000. The borrowing power

now remaining under the existing debt limit is

$1,973,000,000. In the light of the extraordinary
requirements for national defense it is anticipated
that, unless the Congress acts to relieve the
situation, this borrowing power will be completely
exhausted by the end of February and the working

balance of the Treasury will be dangerously depleted.

Action to protect the position of the Treasury cannot
safely be postponed until the next session of Congress,

especially in a critical period such as this.

406

-3The Treasury working balance is now

approximately $1,300,000,000. It would be
undesirable to reduce the balance much below

this level. The maintenance of a working
balance of present proportions has enabled

the Treasury to omit major financial operations
at a time when market conditions were not
favorable and by waiting for more favorable
market conditions to save a great deal of money

in interest. When viewed from the standpoint of
the insurance and financial security which a
large Treasury balance has afforded, the interest

cost on Treasury bills issued to maintain the
balance has been very small -- at present
approximately $130,000 per year.

407

-4The maintenance of a balance approximating

the present one 1s distinctly in the interests
of economy and financial strength and is

especially to be desired in the troubled world
of today.

The orderly financing of Federal
expenditures, expanded as they are by emergency

expenditures for national defense, requires

provision of additional taxes or an increase

in the limit on the national debt. In my
judgment, both steps are essential.

408

-5I am convinced that the public is willing
and ready to accept the personal sacrifices of
paying the additional taxes that are necessary
to provide the country with adequate national
defense.

Members of the Treasury Staff are here

prepared to discuss technical details of the

bill before you. I strongly favor its passage.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

409

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 31, 1940

The Secretary

Dr. George J. Mead
you:

The following items are probably of interest to

Allison Situation
An engine at Wright Field and another at the Allison plant
have both run 50 hours at take-off power, which releases the
floor production with the understanding that failures OCcurring prior to satisfactory type test at the contract power
of 1090 hp. will have to be made good by the manufacturer.
Available Hispano Engine Types

Colonel Jaquin has indicated that the present Hispano en-

gine used by the French is rated at 980 hp., which is insufficient for their immediate needs, with the result that
the engines have to be rebuilt after almost every flight.

A more powerful engine rated at 1200 hp. seems to be in the
experimental stage, but Jaquin assures me that he can produce
a sample.

Ford Situation

Mr. Ford has indicated that he would be willing to study the
question of aircraft engine production. Towards this end
Mr. Olley is to work with his staff, 80 that they may have
all the information we have upon which to make a decision.
Incidentally, Mr. Ford was mistaken as to the amount of work
that his company had already done. Consequently, Mr. Olley's
statement that Ford was three or four months ahead on tooling
18 still correct. As soon as information is secured on the

Hispano, this also will be turned over to him. I will follow
up this matter again next week.

Mr. Ford 18 willing that you tell the newspapers he was here
to consider probleme concerned with National Defense. Ob-

viously, he can go no further at the present time

The Secretary

-2410

Plastic Planes

The report is here from Millikan, but I would prefer to have

it more
thoroughly
digested
and give you a conclusion early
next
week
if this is
satisfactory.
Thursday

Arrangements have been made for the Wright Aeronautical

Corporation representatives to come in at 9:00 Thursday
morning and the Pratt & Whitney group at 2:30 in the afterI think it would expedite matters for Kraus and myself
noon. to talk with these people and then get in touch with you for

a conference if you can spare the time. In case this day or
the times are not satisfactory, would you kindly let me know.
mead

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CONFIDENTIAL

May 31, 1940

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

LOCKHEED and HAMILTON

On May 29, 1940, the British contracted for 360

airframes (Reconneissance bombers) from Lockheed and

for propellers from Hamilton Standard. Total value
of the contract amounts to $26,460,000; no capital
commitment involved. Delivery is to start September,
1940, and continue through June, 1941. (This contract cancelled 240 Lockheed General Reconnaissance

bombers model 32 previously ordered with a value of
$20,540,000.)

WRIGHT AERONAUTICAL

On May 22, 1940, the French exercised an option

for 1800 R-2600A engines. Total value of this contract
amounts to $31,760,000 with delivery starting in January,
1941, and running through September, 1941. (Two options

exist under this contract, one for 600 engines with

delivery from October to December, 1941, exercisable
until December 1, 1940, and the other for 2400 engines
with delivery from January to December, 1942, exercisable until March 1, 1941).
NORTH AMERICAN

Canada contracted on May 25, 1940, for 100 Harvard
trainers, equipped with Pratt and Whitney Wasp R-1340

engines, propellers, and governors. This contract also

covered 180 spare Wasps and 30 spare propellers and

governors. Total value of the contract amounts to

412

-2$4,396,000; no capital commitment involved. Delivery
begins in August, 1941, and continues through August,
1942. (Airframes will be delivered by January, 1942).
On May 23, 1940, the British and French exercised
an option for 384 Model NA-73 pursuit planes. The value

of this contract amounts to $14,747,000, with delivery

beginning in January, 1941, and running through November,
1941. No capital commitment is involved.
AVIATION MANUFACTURING

The French closed a contract on May 29, 1940, for
38 second hand Stinson and Vultee planes with a value
of $56, 000, scheduled for immediate delivery.

P.4.

413

CONFIDENTIAL

May 31, 1940

To:

The Secretary

From:

Mr. Young

As you know, the Anglo-French Purchasing Board

is constantly making requests for the release of
powder capacity, the release of army surplus stocks,
etc.

It would relieve both you and General Marshall
of considerable routine and nuisance if a person
were designated in the War Department to work with

me in clarifying and consolidating these items before
action becomes necessary.

TY.

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THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
WASHINGTON

31 May 1940

My dear Mr. Morgenthau:

I hasten to acknowledge receipt of your letter
of May 25th, 1940, in which you enclosed copies of statements showing airplane orders and deliveries to the British
and French Governments.

Please know that your courtesy in this matter is
greatly appreciated.
Sincerely yours,

Smir my

The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D.C.

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415

Dated May 31, 1940

Rec'd 5:23 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1460 may 31.
bill

w

Board of Trade announces amendments to list of goods

cot to export licensing the Effect of which is as
follows:

(1) Group 5. Dies (whether mounted or not) of
diamonds and tools and tool parts of which the cutting
EdgE is tipped with diamond are Excluded from the licence

requirements for Export to British Empire countries.
(2) Group 5 and group 12. Exception for singlevision spectacle lenses is Extended to COVER all
spectacle lenses.

(s) Group 12. Voltasters and ameters of a diameter
including the DEZEL of 2 inches or more but not EXCEEDING

2-1/2 inches are added to goods requiring licenses for

Export to all destinations.
(4) Group 13. Acetic acid armonium perchlorate
and potassium perchlorate are added to goods requiring

licenses for Export to all destinations and gall nuts
to goods requiring licenses for Export to European

countries other than France (classifications),
KENNEDY
NPL

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HOLD FOR RELEASE

HOLD FOR RELEASE

May 31, 1940

416

CONFIDENTIAL: To be held in STRICT CONFIDENCE and no

portion, synopsis or intimation to be published or given

out until the READING of the President's Message has begun in the Senate or the House of Representatives. Extreme care must therefore be exercised to avoid premature
publication.
STEPHEN EARLY

Secretary to the President

TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:

The almost incredible events of the past two weeks

in the European conflict, particularly as a result of the use of

aviation and mechanized equipment, together with the possible
consequences of further developments, necessitate another enlarge-

ment of our military program.

No individual, no group can clearly foretell the
future. As long, however, as a possibility exists that not one

continent or two continents but all continents may become involved
in a world wide war, reasonable precaution demands that American
defense be made more certain.

An investigation into manufacturing resources since
my message of May 16th, to determine the practicability of placing

additional orders with industry for special material, both to
provide an early expansion of existing production facilities, and

to obtain increased quantities of the special weapons concerned,
has caused the War and Navy Departments to submit to mo an urgent

and new recommendation that increased appropriations and authorizations for the National Defense be made before the adjournment
of the present Congress.

Over and beyond the acquisition of this actual
material is the evident requirement for the immodiate creation

of additional production facilitics to moot possible future

emergencies as well as present deficiencios in the making of
munitions, such as guns, ammunition and fire control equipment.

These facilities require a long time to create and to reach
quantity production. The increased gravity of the situation
indicates that action should be taken without delay.

The problem of defending our national institutions
and territorial integrity is no longer a problem for men equipped
simply with an indomitable determination. Modern defense requires
that this determination be supported by the highly developed
machinery of our industrial productive capacity.
The expansion of our defense program makes it necessary

that we undertake immediately the training and retraining of our
people, and especially our young people, for employment in industry
and in service in the Army and Navy.

The requirements of industry and the expanded armed
forces for persons with experience in mechanical and manual

417

fields are obviously going to be great. We do not have such
trained persons in the number that will be required for the
tasks that lie ahead of us if our defense is to be assured.
We have, therefore, the task of training a large number in
the skills and semi-skills required by modern production in

industry and by a highly mechanized defense force in the Army

and Navy. A primary consideration in the training of skills
must be, not the existing distribution of workers among skilled
fields, but the distribution that would be required if our
industrial machine and our defensive forces were fully mobilized.
In the national effort for defense upon which we
are now engaged, it is imperative that we make full and effective
uso of the mighty capacities that lie in our population. Here
as yet undeveloped lie the ability and the strength needed in
the building up of our armaments to provido a sure industrial
foundation for the meeting of any and all defenso requirements.
Without the full development of these skills, our national
defense will be loss than it must be in the critical days which

lie ahead. Without the full contribution of our people, our
defense cannot attain the invulnorability which the nation
domands and which wo are determined it shall have.

The one most obvious lesson of the present war in

Europe is the value of the factor of speed. There is definite
danger in waiting to order the complete equipping and training
of armies after a war begins.
Therefore, I suggest the speedy enlargement of the
program for equipping and training in the light of our defense
needs.

I have instructed the representatives of the War and
Navy Departments and also the representatives of the several
agencies dealing with the training of young men for non-combatant
services to make available to the appropriate committees of the
Congress the plans and proposals which they have laid before me.
These plans call for immediate appropriations to
carry forward Congressional decisions in bills already pending,
for immediate appropriations to add to the program and for

authorizations to enter into contracts which it will take some

time to complete.
There is a specific recommendation I would make in
concluding this message, that before adjournment this Congress portion

grant me the authority to call into active service such maintain
of the National Guard as may be deemed necessary to
our position of neutrality and to safeguard the National the Defense,

this to include authority to call into active service
necessary Reserve personnol.

The amounts involved are large -- over a billion

dollars -- but I believe that for national safety the needs
are urgent.
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

THE WHITE HOUSE

May 31, 1940.

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GRAY

Milan

Dated May 31, 1940

Rec'd 1:24 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

49, May 31, 5 p.m.
Today's market index 225.77. Volume 84,635.
Prices recovered yesterday's losses in moderate

trading. Official announcement that Exchange will remain
open in CASE of war favorably received.
SHOLES

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May 31, 1940

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FROM: AMBASSADOR BULLITT

SECRET

TO: SECRETARY MORGANTHAU.

ON JUNE 4TH ITALY PLANS TO ATTACK FRANCE. ON THAT DATE PLEASE

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HAVE READY TO PUT INTO EFFECT EVERY FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC MEASURE
TO WEAKEN ITALY THAT YOU COULD DEVISE

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422

No. 660.

Oelo, May 31, 1940.

Subject: International
0810, Norway.Nitrogen Corporation,

The Honorable

The Secretary of state,
Washington, D.C.
Sir:

I have the honor to report that on April 26, 1940 the
Internasional$ Evelstoffakejeselskap, Fr. Nansene Plass 8,

Oslo, Norway, in a letter dated April 26, 1940, addressed
to the Commercial Attaché of this Legation stated that it

was aoting as trustee for the International Nitrogen cartel
and that in this capacity it had substantial funds on
deposit at the National City Bank of New York, N.Y. In
this same letter two telegrams sent by this concern, one

to the

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423

to the National City Bank and the other to the United
States Treasury Department were quoted. The telegram to

the National City Bank read as follows:
"Beg to inform you that our balance is not

our own property but belongs to European nitrogen
producers stop have informed U.S.A Legation 0elo and
Treasury Department Washington accordingly more
information follows when payments have to be made

please repeat this cable".

That to the Treasury Department is quoted below;

"We are trustee of International Nitrogen
Cartel and have substantial creditbalance with
Citibank Newyork stop beg to inform you that this
balance is not our own property but belongs to

European nitrogen producers more information follows

when payments have to be made have informed your

Legation Oslo".

The Department's telegram No. 387 to this Legation
dated May 9, was received by courier from the American
Legation at Stockholm on May 13 and its contents made

known to the company in 0910. This telegram stated that

the Treasury requests the Legation to notify Internasional
Evelstoffaksjeselskap that their NLT of April 27 and also
their NLT of May 6 had been received.

In another letter from this concern dated May 27 the
Legation has been furnished with what is called an "expose"

regarding its organisation and functions, a copy of which

is attached hereto. It is believed that this statement
might be of interest to the Treasury Department in connection with the funds on deposit at the National City
Bank as wellas to the Bureau of Foreign and Domestic
Commerce.

Respectfully yours
Raymond E. Dox,

Enclosure: Copy of

Charge d'Affaires ad interim.

"Exposé" of Internasjonalt

Ivelstoffakejeselskape

In quintuplicate.

TOK:MT

424

Enclosure No. 1 to Despatch No. 660 of May 31, 1940 from the
American Legation, Oalo, Norway.
Copy.
EXPOSE
re

INTERNASJONALT KVELSTOFFAKSJESELSKAP

(I.K.A.) OSLO.

In 1935 the European nitrogen (fertiliser) producers
who had been in close collaboration since 1932, decided to

extend their agreements for a further period of 3 years. At
that time it was resolved to set up a Trustee in London under
the style of:INTERNATIONAL NITROGEN ASSOCIATION LIMITED

who was appointed to see that the agreements were properly

carried out and to handle all accounts and financial matters.
The agreement was signed by the nitrogen producers in

the following countries:-

G ERMANY, ENGLAND, NORWAY, BELGIUM, HOLLAND,
SWITZERLAND, CZECHOSIOVAKIA and POLAND
ITALY,

on the one side, and
CORPORACION DE VENTAS DE SALITRE Y YODO DE CHIBE

on the other side.
The export sale of the European nitrogen producers was,

with a few exceptions, entrusted to Internationale gesellschaft der Stickstoff-Industrie A.G. Basle, who, on their part,
employed the selling organisations of stickstoff-syndikat
G.m.b.h., Berlin (the German group) and Imperial Chemical
Industries Limited, London (the English group) for this purpose.
International Nitrogen Association Limited, London, had
collect the proceeds of these export sales, to establish to out pay
this average price to the groups for the deliveries they laid down
made at such periods and in such instalments as were
of to these proceeds an average price based on fine gold and had

by the agreement.
Chemical Industries Limited (ENGLAND). however, of

Imperial as they themselves collected the proceeds

were an exception and as far as they sold material for other groups,
their they refunded sales to International Nitrogen Association Limited the

equivalent of these quantities.
The following procedure resulted from this:-

deliveries made by all the groups with the the sales exception made by

Germany, The were paid out of the proceeds of made by the

of the German and the above mentioned payments of the agreement.

group according to the stipulations the German

The refore, English group the monies then left over belonged to
group.

made by the partners to the agreement Basle and
by

the All Trustee transactions are audited by societé piduciaire guiese,

(Chartered Accountants).

In 1938

425

In 1938 this agreement was extended for another period of
3 years, 1.0. until 1941.

Owing to the political tension the partners to the agreeto International Nitrogen Association Limited, London, i.e.

ment decided in the beginning of 1939 to form a sister company
INTERNASJONALT EVELSTOFFAKSJESELSZAP, OSLO,

with the same members of the Board as International Nitrogen

Association Limited. On May 1st 1929 all rights and obligations
of International Nitrogen Association were transferred to
Intermasjonalt Ivelstoffakejeselskap, oslo, and the bank balances were transferred to this company accordingly. At the
same time Internasjonal$ Evelstoffakejeselskap agreed to employ

International Nitrogen Association Limited, London. as their
agent and gave them authority to carry on the business as

hitherto.

This authority was cancelled on September 1st 1939 and
from that day enwards Intermasjonalt Ivelstoffaksjeselskap, 0810,
took charge of the management. on September 8th 1939 the agreement of the cartel became void.

Since then Internasjonali Ivelstoffaksjeselskap has been
engaged in winding up the cartel and all the groups have siven
the company their full support.

426

May 31, 1940
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Attached is a summary report of the projects
which have been worked on in the Division of Tax
Research during May 1940.

RB
Attachment

Monthly Report on Projects in the
Division of Tax Research

427

May 1940

I New projects
1. Nonresident income under State income tax laws

In connection with an informal request from the Department of Justice, a memorandum has been prepared on the

treatment of nonresident income under State individual

income tax laws with particular reference to the provisions in State income tax laws for credits on account

of taxes paid to the State of residence. (Miss Wells)*
2. Dutch ownership of American securities
A memorandum was prepared for the Office of the General
Counsel on the volume of American bearer bonds owned by

Dutch citizens and the possibility of determining the

ownership of specific bonds at the time hostilities
began in the Netherlands. (Mr. Atlas)
3. Tax-exempt securities
Data on (1) the gross amount of interest-bearing securities of Federal corporations and agencies outstanding
at the end of each calendar year from 1929 to 1939 and
(2) the amount of such securities held by the United
States Government, Federal trust funds, and Federal

Persons listed as working on the different projects do not
include those who acted largely or exclusively in a consulting
or reviewing capacity. In general, the person, if any, ao-

tively in charge of the project is listed first.

-2agencies are being compiled. (Mr. Ecker-Raoz and
Mr. Mannen)

4. Mutual insurance companies

A brief report on the tax treatment of mutual insurance companies, the nature of their income, and their
relative importance as compared to stock companies is

in preparation. (Mr. Shere and Mr. Mills)

5. Undistributed profits tax
A memorandum is in process analyzing, in the light of

issues raised by the undistributed profits tax, the
statistics made available from income tax returns and
other sources. (Mr. Shere, Mr. Atlas and Mr. Copeland)

6. Proposed legislation authorizing appropriation of certain tax receipts to the Virgin Islands
A memorandum was prepared covering the fiscal relations

of the Federal Government with the Virgin Islands with
particular reference to the taxes involved in H. R. 9214,
76th Congress, First Session. (Mr. Ecker-Racz)
7. Building and loan associations
The suggestion to exempt dividends on building and loan
association stock from the Federal normal income tax is

being analyzed. (Miss Till and Miss Wells)

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II Continuing projects
1. War and excess-profits taxes
The study of war and excess-profits taxation is con-

tinuing. A digest of war finance proposals during
the period 1920-1940 is in preparation. Other phases
of war finance are also under examination.
(Mr. Ecker-Raoz, Mr. Gordon, and Mr. Mannen)

2. Incentive taxation
A report analyzing the provisions of S. 3560, 75th Con-

gress, is being prepared. This bill provides for the
imposition of a tax which is reduced as the expenditure
for labor used in business is increased. (Mr. Shere and

Mr. Farioletti)
3. Income and estate taxes

a. Reports on the following subjects are in process:
(1) Assets and income of corporations exempt from
the Federal income tax under Section 101 to-

gether with a Congressional history surrounding
the exemption of certain types of corporations,
economic basis for each type of exemption, and

the effects of allowing tax exemption on the
operations of such companies. (Mr. Shere and

Miss Till)

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(2) The problems of special defense taxes with

particular reference to the technical problems involved in the suggestion that a flat
percentage increase in the present income

and other taxes be imposed. (Mr. Shere and
Miss Coyle)

(3) Proposal to allow corporations with 5 or
less shareholders to be treated for tax
purposes as partnerships. (Mr. Mills)
(4) The probleme of estate tax payment. (Mr. Mills)
b. Reports on the following subjects are in various
stages of preparation but have not been actively
prosecuted during the month.

(1) Distribution of tax-exempt securities by net
income brackets with particular reference to
the holdings of such securities by persons in
high income brackets. (Miss Coyle)
(2) Powers of appointment and remainders under

the estate tax. (Mr. Mills)
4. Inventory of tax proposals
A preliminary draft of inventory proposals, designed to
produce additional revenue which has been considered by
the Treasury from time to time has been completed and

is now in the process of editing. A similar compilation

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of Treasury tax proposals other than those designed

to produce revenue 18 in preparation. (Mr. Shere,
Mr. Gordon, and Mr. Zorach)

5. Tax chronology 1919-1927

A chronology of Federal tax rates, covering the period
1919-1927, has been completed and is now being edited.
(Charts covering the years 1913-1918 and 1928-1939 were

previously prepared.) (Mr. Atlas and Miss Hughes)
6. Income Tax Study WPA

The study of income tax returns carried on at Philadelphia
with WPA funds since October 1938 is continuing. The

table of contents and portion of the text for Section 1
of the Income Tax Study and table forms for special tabulations were reviewed. (Mr. Shere and Miss Coyle)
III Routine assignments

1. Reviews of publications, etc.
The page proof of Statistics of Income for 1937, Part 2,
compiled from corporation income and excess-profits tax
returns and personal holding company returns, was reviewed. (Mr. Shere and Miss Hughes)

2. Statistics
a. In connection with the supervision of the technical
work of the Bureau of Internal Revenue, several

proposals of statistical tabulations have been

-6formulated and examined. (Mr. Blough, Mr. Shere,
and Mr. Campbell)

b. Transcripts and punch cards received from the
Income Tax Study are being reviewed in order to
enumerate useful tabulations not made by the Study,

which might make desirable the storing of the above
records. (Miss Coyle)

C. Administrative reports and statistics of the Bureau
of Internal Revenue are graphed and commented on

for the information of Mr. Sullivan. (Mr. Campbell)

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London

Dated May 31, 1940

Rec'd 2:26 pell.

Scorstary of State
Washington

1454, May 31.
FOR TREASURI FROM BUTTERWORTH.

Although 12 the city the process of the
B.E.7. and the question of possible invasion overshadow
marks: considerations neverthElEss the phenomena of the

steacineas of the security and money markets in

noteworthy, In the face of the increasingly grave news
over the past three WEEKS gilt-Edged prices, though at

times touching the minema fixed in March, are now
above the levels of May 10 and of the day before the

Belgimis King capitulated. This condition has been
mainly due to the "closed Economy" afforded by Exchange

control and capital issue control. There has for instance
been SOME EVIDENCE of investment demand helped by the

weight of funds released by the vesting of American
securities, war loan dividend payable on June 1 and
the cash payments on unconverted 2 1/2 percent conversion

loan. Gilt-Edged prices have also been sustained by the
announcement of 100 percent EXOISE profits duty on

business

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MA

businesses and trades. Add to these influences patriotism
helphoned by the dangers now blatantly apparent and there
is stinulus abundant for the flow of savings and investment
funds into Government loans which renders interest rates
of such little significance that cheap money-indeed
cheaper money - is taken for granted. Equities have
depreciated 15 percent since May 9.
The money market EVEN more reflects the influence

of control and of the closing of other channels (E.g.
trade bills financing Scandinavian's world trade). Though
weekly tenders for Treasury bills have taken increasing
sums from the money market during the period of suddenly

realized dangers, not 1/32 has been added to the rate
at which Treasury bills have been issued. Yesterday's Bank
of England return shows an increase in the note issue
ten

of poundsmillion to an all-time record but EVEN this is
regarded as moderate when Sunday wages, Evacuation move-

ments and month-end influences are taken into consideration.

There are as yet no reliable indications as to
what Extent the British Treasury will Employ the new
powers over persons and property to supplement its already

Effective formal and informal controls.
KENNEDY

CSB

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MAY 31, 1940.

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Shipping Situation

The Association of American Railroads say their records
indicate a pickup of approximately 20% in the movement of export
freight through the Port of New York.

On May 29th they lightered 937 cars of export freight against
769 on May 22d.

Cars of export freight awaiting lighterage were 3591 on
May 29th versus 3633 on May 22d.

Export freight in storage in railroad-owned covered piers,
3039 cars May 29th against 2836 on May 22d.

Rough freight unloaded

from cars and stored on the ground, 1412 carloads May 29th against

1390 May 22d. The number of cars stored on covered piers as well as

those on ground storage are far below the available capacities.
The export lighterage situation is viewed as healthy, with
91 lighters on demurrage over 48 hours as of noon May 29th.

There is little change in the export grain situation, there
being in railroad cars, elevators and boats about one and a quarter
The stocks in elevators at Baltimore, Philadelphia,
million bushels.

etc. are also quite low.
The annual report of the New York Produce Exchange discloses

that out of a total of 36,000,000 bushels of United States grown wheat
exported, only 2,410,000 bushels passed through the Port of New York.
New York's share of the Canadian wheat exported through United

States ports fell from 61% to 37%
United States grown corn exported via New York was only 809,000

bushels, out of a total for the whole country of 28,500,000 bushels.
There were 8,180,000 bushels of United States corn exported through
Canadian ports.

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On account of the holiday, the weekly report of carloadings will not be available until tomorrow morning.

The railroads are pointing with pride to their all-time
record of an average of 36.8 tons per car for the year 1939, topping
The railroads
their previous best record of 36.7 tons in 1937.
figure that if the 1932 average of 34.9 tons had prevailed in 1939,
they would have had to use 1,313,000 additional cars to move the freight

Further indication of the ease in the full cargo market is
8 drop of 25$ to $4.50 in the West Indies time charter rate.
The Russians have come into the market again and have taken

a Swedish and a Greek vessel; one to load from the Atlantic coast to
Vladivostok and the other from the Pacific coast to Vladivostok.
The rate on the Pacific coast charter was not disclosed but

the Atlantic is said to have been $24.00 per ton, free in and out.

Basil

RESERVE

BANK

INFORMATION COPY FOR

YORK

in Cochan
INCOMING CABLEGRAM-SERIAL NO 3719
RECEIVED ON

May 31, 1940

Very 437

London, May 31 1940.
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
New York

from

are

No. 499/40 FOR KNOKE
ONE

As you have doubtless heard from United States Treasury

new regulations and instructions are being introduced
early next week to place current payments between the

sterling area and the U.S.A. and dependencies

on the basis of official rate of 4.02 1/2 to 4.03 1/2.
We are anxious to have sterling officially quoted in
New York at 4.02 1/2 to 4.03 1/2 and to arrange for as many

transactions as may be practicable within the limits of
our control of regulations to be completed between New York
banks.

It would be a great advantage to institute this system as
from next week and I would welcome any comments or suggestions

on the following proposal
TWO

At the present time the following New York agencies of
United Kingdom banks

Standard Bank of south Africa Ltd.
Chartered Bank of India, Australia and China
Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Corporation

Barclays Bank (D.C.& 0.)

are given exchange by us at 4.02 1/2 to enable them to

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INFORMATION COPY FOR

ERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

INCOMING CABLEGRAM-SERIAL NO. 3719

May
RECEIVED ON

138

31, 1940.

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negotiate sterling bills covering U.S.A. exports to
Empire destinations.
In addition New York banks negotiating for documentary

sterling bills covering exports

principally
cotton to the United Kingdon and we normally give dollars
in cover

through their London office or correspondents
on a forward basis to cover mailing period (one month)

THREE

To safeguard our position and to prevent free sterling

being converted into dollars at official rate we have
made all transactions subject to the following conditions
A) The bills and documents must be drawn in sterling
and cover shipments of goods from U.S.A. to the
sterling areas
B) A declaration must be given that the exchange has not
been covered elsewhere and that where necessary the
relative import license has been obtained
c) The bills and documents have to be exhibited subsequently
to the Bank of England in London so far as documents are
sent direct to countries other than the United Kingdon

a certificate to that effect accompanying the bill

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FOUR

D) It is clearly understood that if on subsequent inspection of
the bills and documents it were found that a transaction
was not eligible under the arrangement the exchange
contract is cancelled

"ould this situation be sufficient to enable sterling to
be quoted in New York at our official rate or would you

require to be authorized to buy sterling arising out of
negotiations outlined in paragraph THREE above from all
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New York banks.

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RESERVE
NEW

BANK

INFORMATION COPY FOR

YORK

INCOMING CABLEGRAM-SERIAL NO.3719
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May 31, 1940

If the latter is necessary I would give you a standing
order to deal at 4.02 1/2 to 4.03 1/2 without limit as
to amount of all transactions to pass through our G
Account, it being understood that the conditions THREE

(A) to (D) governed all purchases of sterling
If we can establish a method of dealing in spot sterling
at the same time preventing a breach of our regulations
I would be glad later to introduce a scheme for covering

FIVE

forward contracts.
Bolton

Bank of England.

10 THE
LECHNICVT

OLHIEE OE THE

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(Handed by Mr. Pinsent of the British Embassy to Mr. Cochran

in the Treasury at 4 p.m. May 31, 1940.)

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Please convey to Mr. Morgenthau

the Chancellor of the Exchequer's warmest

thanks for his helpful attitude.
Please inform the State Department

that the following is the basis on which we
desire to conclude payments agreements: (a)

official rates to be quoted in London and in
the foreign countries concerned should be

based on the official price for gold in London.
(b) Sterling accruing from current transactions
of the country concerned with the sterling area,
also sterling balances held by the currency authorities
of the country concerned at the time an agreement
comes into force, to be covered by a guarantee

based on the official price for gold. Such
sterling to be available for all payments within
the sterling area by persons resident in the
country concerned.

Our object is to conclude immediate

provisional arrangements on this basis, and to
negotiate more detailed payments agreements which

would, if necessary, provide arrangements to deal

with any eventual sterling surplus. Thus, though
each agreement would be negotiated bilaterally they

would all be directed to the establishment of a
general system for conducting commercial end

current financial transactions on the basis of the
official rate of exchange and eliminating transactions based on the free rate.
These arrangements would result in the
price/

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price of our exports being based on the

official rate and not on a depreciated rate.
Indeed our object is to secure that these
and other measures will render the free rate
of no practical importance.

British Combung

3, st may, 1540

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May 31, 1940.

REPORT FOR SECRETARY MORGENTHAU,

In regard to closing agreements under the Vinson-Trammell
Act, the developments during the week were as follows:
Rockbestos Products Corporation:

A letter was received from the representative of the contractor stating that the terms of the proposed closing agreement

would not be acceptable.

January

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TELEGRAM SENT
PLAIN

CK

May 31, 1940
AMEMBASSY,
LONDON.

1045, Thirty-first.
Has Government issued any order since No. 1708

of May 12, affecting British securities SEIZED by
Germans? If so, telegraph text.
HULL

(FL)
EA:FL:MEG

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MA

GRAY

Paris

Dated May 31, 1940
REC'D 9:30 a.m.

georetary of State 07
Washington

968, May 31, 11 a.m.
CONFIDENTIAL.

Colonel Meny. Undersecretary of the Ministry of
Aviation, who is extraordinarily busy man and is not

given to complements, took the trouble to call my office
yesterday afternoon to thank ME not only for the arrival
of the Carl Ward missionaries but also for the EXCEPTIONAL

quality of the MET. composing it. HE stated that EVERY
one who had met the members of this mission yesterday

had been deeply impressed by their desire to go to work
at ONCE and by their character.
Davidson and Ward called on ME this morning and

stated that they had already begun their work under the
most favorable conditions and that they had been received
EVERYWHERE with open arms.

Will you please communicate this information to

Mr. Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., of General Motors and to
the Secretary of the Treasury.
KLP

BULLITT

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445

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 31, 1940
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
At one o'clock today Mr. Bernstein handed to me the attached file of
cables exchanged between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and banks in

Bolivia, concerning gold held under earmark with the Federal by the Central
Bank of Bolivia. We had had no word about this transaction until Vice-President
Logan mentioned it to Mr. Bernstein by telephone this morning, and had the
attached messages transmitted to us by telephone.

Since the transaction is one involving a release of gold from earmark,
and not a purchase or sale of gold, it does not directly concern the Treasury.

At the same time, we thought the State Department should be informed of the

circumstances, since the Bolivian authorities might see fit to protest against

the hesitancy of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to follow instructions.
This might conceivably be interpreted as disregarding the immunities to which
central banks are accustomed.

I telephoned Mr. Collado of the State Department this afternoon and read
the messages to him. I also told Mr. Livesey of the correspondence, and I am
forwarding copies thereof through Mr. Livesey to Mr. Collado. Mr. Collado, in
turn, told me of a cablegram which had just been received from the American

Minister at La Paz in regard to this transaction. It was arranged that Mr.

Collado should telephone at once to New York over the Treasury line and discuss
the matter with the Federal Reserve Bank. Mr. Collado is to provide me with a
copy of the message from La Pas, and we are to keep in touch on the question.

BMW.P.

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK INCOMING CABLEGRAM SERIAL NO. 3662
RECEIVED ON MAY 29, 1940.
LA PAZ

May 28, 1940

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK
NEW YORK

Included in gold recently transferred to you by Chase National
Bank of London in name Banco Central de Bolivia are 150,000 gold

sovereigns belonging to us. Our directors and principal shareholders

do not wish our gold returned to Bolivia but desire to sell same to
you crediting Dollar proceeds to our account with the Bank of London
and South America, New York. In view of above we request you not to
embark our gold to Bolivia and we shall furnish you with necessary

proof of ownership by first mail.
If you desire confirmation of our ownership we suggest you
cable American Legation La Paz through State Department.

BANCO MERCANTIL LA PAZ

my WU 114 Eng.

COPY

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK OUTGOING CABLEGRAM SERIAL NO. 5062

SENT ON MAY 29, 1940.

BANCO CENTRAL DE BOLIVIA
LA PAZ

No. 12

We have received A cable dated May 28 from Banco Mercantil,
La Paz, reading:

"Included in gold recently transferred to you by Chase

National Bank of London in name Banco Central de Bolivia

are 150,000 gold sovereigns belonging to us. Our directors
and principal shareholders do not wish our gold returned
to Bolivia but desire to sell same to you crediting dollar
proceeds to our account with Bank of London & South America,
New York. In view of above we request you not to embark

our gold to Bolivia and we shall furnish to you necessary

proof of ownership by first mail. If you desire confirmation
of our ownership we suggest you cable American Legation
La Paz through State Department."

Tomorrow, May 30, is a holiday here and unless this request
of Banco Mercantil withdrawn by cable to us today from Banco Mercantil
confirmed by tested cable through Bank of London & South America,

New York, we must, for our protection, withhold 150,000 gold sovereigns
from shipment made on May 31 pursuant to your cable No. 5 of May 17.
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK

EA

KA 149 Code

COPY

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK

INCOMING CABLEGRAM

SERIAL

NO. 3690 RECEIVED ON MAY 31, 1940
LA PAZ

May 30, 1940.
URGENT

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK
NEW YORK

NO. 9

Banco Central Bolivia has been greatly surprised at tenor of
your cable No. 12 in which you show possibilities of disposing in
favor of Banco Mercantil gold delivered by us to you in safekeeping

and custody. Federal Reserve Bank must deliver said gold to no entity
other than Banco Central as the legitimate depositor which gold in
accordance with our instructions and after payment of freight and
insurance should be shipped without fail Friday May 31 in New York
down to Bolivia. Federal Reserve however would take serious responsi-

bility owing to failure of fulfilling their banking engagement and the
damage caused to the Banco Central due to nondispatching of the gold

sent from London to our order. Further it is not within their powers
to act upon claims from entities residing at Bolivia which are governed
by banking and monetary laws ruling in Bolivia. Moreover we remember

that within your regulations nobody can interfere with gold belonging
to central banks. We therefore request you to make shipment without
fail May 31 in accordance with agreements already signed.
BANCO CENTRAL DE BOLIVIA

MY AA 120 Test correct.
COPY

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CABLE RECEIVED BANK OF LONDON & SOUTH AMERICA, LTD., NEW YORK

SIMON I. PATINO BIARRITZ, FRANCE

Referring cable Banco Mercantil La Pas to Federal Reserve Bank
of New York 28 May am remitting you next Clipper original documents

proving title to gold STOP Please notify Federal Reserve.

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450

INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 31, 1940
Secretary Morgenthau

TO

Mr. Cochren

FROM

CONFIDENTIAL

After fluctuating within a narrow range during the morning, sterling
strengthened in afternoon trading and closed 3 higher than Wednesday's final
quotation. The opening rate this morning was 3.20. From a noontime quotation

of 3.19-5/8, the pound advanced to a high of 3.23-3/4 late in the day. It
closed at 3.23-1/4.

Sales of spot sterling by the six reporting banks and the Federal Reserve
Bank of New York totaled 1536,000, from the following sources:
By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Near East, Europe, So. America and Far East)
By the Federal Reserve Bank (For Yugoslavia)
Total

1153,000
1373,000

10,000
556,000

Purchases of spot sterling amounted to 4513,000, as indicated below:
By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Europe and Far East)

Total

1299,000
6214,000
5533,000

As shown in the sterling turnover figures, the Federal Reserve Bank sold
10.000 by order of the Royal Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. At the same
time, the Federal purchased 1,800,000 French francs (equivalent to slightly more
than 110,000) for the Yugoalavian bank. These transactions suggest that the
Yugoslavian bank transferred a portion of its sterling balances into French
francs.

The following reporting banks sold cotton bills totaling 133,000 to the
British Control on the basis of the official rate of 4.02-1/2:
116,000 by the National City Bank
11,000 by the Guaranty Trust Company

6,000 by the Irving Trust Company
133,000 Total

The Bank of Manhattan reported that it had purchased 19,000 for spot

delivery from the British Control at the official rate of 4.03-1/2. The funds
will be used to pay for shipments of rubber.

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Developments in the other currencies were as follows:

The French franc's movement was similar to that of sterling. At
the close, the franc was quoted at .0183-1/2, and the final cross-rate

was 176.15 france per pound.

The Swiss franc was unchanged all day at .2243.

The Canadian dollar was quoted at a discount of 21-5/8% until the

late afternoon, when it eased slightly to close at 21-7/8%

The lira and the reichamark were unchanged at .0505 and 4000

respectively.

rate. The yuan in Shanghai was quoted at 5-1/2 unchanged from Wednesday's

The discount for the Cuban peso widened today to 9-7/8%, as against

8-15/16% on Wednesday. The Mexican peso was unchanged at .1672.

The Federal Reserve Bank purchased 700,000 Swiss france for the Bank of
Norway. We understand that the Bank of Norway intends to use these Swiss france
for redemption of a Norwegian external loan.
We purchased the following amounts of gold from the earmarked accounts of
the banks indicated:
$15,000,000 from the Bank of France
5,000,000 from the Central Bank of the Argentine Republic
3,000,000 from the Bank of Java
$23,000,000 Total

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported that the Bankers Trust Company,

London, shipped $155,000 in gold from England to its head office at New York, for
sale to the U. S. Assay Office.
The State Department forwarded to us cables stating that the following gold

shipments would be made:

$428,000 from India, shipped by the National Bank of India, Bombay, to the Chase
National Bank, San Francisco.
136,000 from Switzerland, shipped by the Union Bank of Switzerland, Zurich, to
the Guaranty Trust Company. New York. This gold is being shipped on a
steamer sailing from Lisbon, Portugal, early in June.
78,000 from England, shipped by the National City Bank, London, to its head
office at New York.
$642,000 Total

The shipment being sent to San Francisco will be sold to the U. S. Mint, and the
ones coming to New York are for sale to the U. S. Assay Office.

CONFIDENTIAL

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On May 24, we reported that the National Bank of Yugoslavia, Belgrade,
was shipping gold coin and gold bars valued at $14,002,000 to the Federal Reserve
Bank of New York. According to the cable forwarded to us by the State Department
at that time, this gold was to be shipped on two steamers leaving the port of
Athens, Greece. Today, the State Department transmitted to us a cable from Athens
stating that only $6,937,000 of this gold was being shipped to the United States,
the balance being stored temporarily in Athens by the Yugoslavian bank.
The recent speculative boom in Bombay's precious metal markets appears to
over. Yesterday and today, the Bombay gold price continued to move downward.
The quotation received from Bombay this morning was equivalent to $35.45, as
compared with the current high of $38.99 established on May 27.

be

Last

The Bombay spot silver quotation worked out to the equivalent of 43.57
Monday, silver in Bombay reached a current high of 45.86

In London, the prices fixed for spot and forward silver were 21-11/16d and
21-3/16d, both off 5/16d from Wednesday's quotations. The decline was attributed to
selling by Indian interests. The U. S. equivalents, calculated at the open market
rate for sterling, were 31.25$ and 30.30 respectively. On the basis of the

official sterling-dollar rate, the spot price was equivalent to 39.43

Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was 35-1/8 off 1/2

Today's decline reverses an upward movement in this price which began on May 20
and culminated in a high of 35-5/8 reached on May 28. The Treasury's purchase

price for foreign silver was unchanged at 35

There were no purchases of silver made by us today.

During the month of May, we purchased a total of 18,806,400 ounces of silver
under the Silver Purchase Act. The sources of these purchases were as follows:
Ounces

Type of Silver
New Production

1. From various countries

2. From Canada under Agreement
From China

Inventory Silver

Total

10,358,400
1,200,000
4,300,000
2,948,000
18,806,400

H.M.R.
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454

London

Dated May 31, 1940

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1452, May 31, 6 p.m.
PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR THE SECRETARY AND
SECRETARY MORGENTHAU.

Work has started on the Halifax bomber and Rolls

Royce plans. I think I shall be able to obtain the
plans of all the articles required and all the other
material asked for in Secretary Morgenthau's cablegrams via the Navy Department on May 25 and May 27 18

being prepared. Do you know of any additional articles
which may be of value? The main argument used by
Beaverbrook before the Air Council has been along the

lines that it is a benefit to the Allies as well as the
United States to get these things into production.
KENNEDY.