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DIARY

Book 259

May 1 - 3, 1940

-ABook Page

Australia
See War Conditions

-BBanking Legislation
Jones, Jesse: Amendatory legislation proposed by:
Foley memorandum - 5/3/40

259

338

Business Conditions

Economic Developments: Noble (Commerce Department)
memorandum - 5/3/40

364

-CCoast Guard

See War Conditions

-DDenmark

See War Conditions: Scandinavia
-F--

Finland
See War Conditions

Freight Shipments

198

Haas memorandum - 5/2/40

-General Counsel, Office of

Progress report for April - 5/3/40

275

General Motors

Ward, J. Carlton, Jr.: In charge of mission to France;
wife accompanying - 5/3/40
See also Book 260, pages 141,144,151

Gold

See War Conditions: Gold; United Kingdom
Great Britain
See War Conditions: United Kingdom
Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation
See War Conditions: Airplanes

413

- I. Book Page

Indiana
See Tax Evasion

International Hydrographic Bureau

See War Conditions: Gold - Monaco

Italy

See War Conditions: China

-J. Japan

See War Conditions: United Kingdom
Jones, Jesse

See Banking Legislation

-KKennedy, Joseph P.

For letter to FDR, see War Conditions: United Kingdom
-MMcNutt, Paul V.
See Tax Evasion: Indiana
Monaco

See War Conditions: Gold
Monte Carlo

See War Conditions: Gold - Monaco

-NNorway

See War Conditions: Scandinavia

-R-

Research and Statistics, Division of
Progress report for April - 5/3/40
-SSwitzerland
See War Conditions: Scandinavia

259

320

-T-

Book

Page

McNutt, Paul V.: Corrected income statement, 1933-1938,
259
showing $2,138 additional taxes - 5/2/40
a) HMJr, Helvering, and Graves confer;

179

Tax Evasion
Indiana:

Helvering: "No basis for criminal prosecution"

Turkey

See War Conditions

-UUnited Kingdom
See War Conditions

United States
See War Conditions
-WWar Conditions

Agriculture:
Resume of significant foreign developments - 5/2/40

261

Airplanes:
Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation requests

deferment of delivery of 80 F4F-3 airplanes to
Navy so that they may be delivered to France 11

5/1/40

Inquiry from Turkey concerning possible purchase of
pursuits and dive bombers - 5/3/40
General Motors mission to France: Ward (J. Carlton, Jr.)
in charge; wife accompanying - 5/3/40

410
413

See also Book 260, pages 141,144,151

Australia:
Twenty dollar stocks listed to be sold and proceeds
placed with Federal Reserve Bank of New York - 5/1/40.

20

China:

Italian Bank for China now in position to meet any
emergency: Report of American Consulate General,
Shanghai - 5/1/40

27

Coast Guard:

Supplemental estimates to the budget - 5/3/40
Exchange market resume - 5/1/40, et cetera

418

1,226,359

Finland:

Population in area ceded to Russia moving within new
boundaries of their fatherland: Report from American

Minister, Helsinki - 5/1/40

24

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Book Page

War Conditions (Continued)
Gold:

Monaco: International Hydrographic Bureau inquires

concerning possibility of earmarking gold with

Federal Reserve Bank of New York - 5/1/40
a) Federal Reserve Bank of New York opposed

259

4

unless Government strongly insists; privilege
should be reserved only for central banks or
agencies similar thereto
b) State Department probably would raise no
objection
c) Copy of request
1) Federal Reserve Bank of New York
memorandum on Bureau

7

8

d) Federal Reserve Bank of New York informed

HMJr agrees with their position - 5/4/40:
See Book 260, page 13

e) Further correspondence: See Book 267,

pages 258,259,292,293

Scandinavia:
Denmark:

Danish assets temporarily frozen in Switzerland 5/1/40
Norway and Denmark:

32

Philippine Islands, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico,
and the Virgin Islands designated to administer
Executive Order and regulations in connection
with frozen funds; Secretary of Interior asked

to inform proper officials - 5/1/40

Norway: Stocks and production of molybdenum,

tungsten, et cetera
Securities Markets (High-Grade) :

Current Developments: Haas memorandum - 5/2/40

16

376
249

Strategic Materials:
Smokeless Powder: HMJr, at Indian Head, told that by
adding 175 men, making two shifts, 2,500,000 pounds
more powder can be manufactured and made available

by June 1, 1940 - 5/2/40

a) Charts and specifications brought back
by HMJr

b) Navy agrees to release
Tin and Rubber: Welles' memorandum to FDR concerning

increasing importance of - 5/3/40

242
243

379,380,382
383

Turkey:

Inquiry concerning possible purchase of pursuits
and dive bombers - 5/3/40

410

- W - (Continued)
Book

Page

259

249

War Conditions (Continued)
United Kingdom:
Government Finance: Haas memorandum - 5/2/40

Payments Agreement to be made by British Treasury
with Japan - 5/2/40

271

a) To prevent all sterling acquired by Japan
from being disposed of on the free market

Suggested answer to Kennedy's letter to FDR concerning

gold, British-owned American securities, et cetera 5/3/40

a) Copy of Kennedy's letter

399
405

United States:
Clothing: Johnson's memorandum to FDR concerning lack

of reserves - 5/3/40

388

Ward, J. Carlton, Jr.

In charge of mission from General Motors to France;
wife accompanying - 5/3/40
See also Book 260, pages 141,144,151

413

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 1, 1940.
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

CONFIDENTIAL

The sterling rate weakened further during the morning session on reports
of German successes in Norway, but during the afternoon it developed a slightly
firmer tendency. The opening quotation was 3.49-1/2. It moved downward to a
low of 3.48-5/8 just before noon-time. A high of 3.50-1/8 was reached in the
early afternoon, and sterling closed at 3.49-5/8.

Sales of spot sterling by the six reporting banks totaled L 384,000, from

the following sources:

By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Europe and Far East)

Total

L 181,000
L 203,000
L 384,000

Purchases of spot sterling amount to L 523,000. as indicated below:
By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Europe and Far East)

Total

L 179,000
L 344,000
L 523,000

The Irving Trust Company reported that it had sold cotton bills totaling

L 3,000 to the British Control on the basis of the official rate of 4.02-1/2.
The Guaranty Trust Company reported that it had purchased L 5,000 for for-

ward delivery from the British Control at 4.03-1/2. The funds will be used to

pay for shipments of rubber.

The belga declined today to a low of 1682-1/2 at the close.
The other important currencies closed as follows:
French francs
Guilders

Swiss francs
Canadian dollars

.0198-3/8
.5309-1/2
.2242-1/2
15-1/4% discount

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York purchased 2,000,000 French francs
for account of the Royal Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
There were no gold transactions consummated by us today.

2

-2The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported the following shipments
of gold from England, consigned to the Bankers Trust Company, New York, for
sale to the U. S. Assay Office:
$1,456,000 shipped by Samuel Montagu & Company, London, for account of the
Amsterdam Bank, Amsterdam.

1,008,000 shipped by the Bankers Trust Company, London.
$2,464,000 Total

Two days ago, we reported a shipment of gold totaling $592,000 from
Canada, sent by the Bank of Canada, Ottawa, to the Federal Reserve Bank for

account of the B.I.S. At that time, the disposition of the shipment was

unknown. The Federal Reserve Bank informed us today that this shipment had
arrived and that they were earmarking the gold for account of the Central
Reserve Bank of E1 Salvador. under instructions received by the Federal from

the B.I.S. According to information received by us last October, the

Salvadorean Bank had gold valued at approximately the same amount as the
above shipment deposited with the Bank of Canada and pledged as collateral

for certain dollar advances made to the former by the B.I.S.

On the report of April 24 received from the Federal Reserve Bank of New
York giving the foreign exchange positions of banks and bankers in its district,
the total position of all currencies was short the equivalent of $18,958,000,
an increase of $483,000 in the short position. The net changes in the positions
are as follows:

SHORT POSITION

SHORT POSITION

APRIL 17

APRIL 24

COUNTRY

$ 5,723,000
8,691,000
337,000 (Long)

England
Europe
Canada

Latin America
Japan

Other Asia

All Others
Total

551,000

$6,305,000
8,542,000
250,000 (Long)
3,251,000

505,000

504,000

$18,475,000

$582,000

149,000 (Decrease)

87,000 (Decrease in
Long Position)

621,000

3,350,000

8,000 (Long)

INCREASE IN
SHORT POSITION

70,000

99,000 (Decrease)
1,000 (Decrease)

7,000 (Increase in

15,000 (Long)
$18,958,000

Long Position)

$483,000

The Bombay spot silver quotation worked out to the equivalent of 42.314,

up 9/16

In London, the price fixed for spot silver rose 3/8d to 21-7/16d. The

forward quotation advanced 5/16d to 21-5/16d. The U. S. equivelents were
33.74₫ and 33.28

Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was unchanged at
34-3/44. The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was also unchanged

at 35.

CONFIDENTIAL

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-3 We made twenty-one purchases of silver totaling 2,633,000 ounces under
the Silver Purchase Act. Of this amount, 775,000 ounces represented sales
from inventory, and the remaining 1,858,000 ounces consisted of new production

from foreign countries, for forward delivery.

We also purchased 820,000 ounces from the Bank of Canada under our
regular monthly agreement.

In all probability, the unusually heavy offerings of silver reflected

the Senate's debate of the Townsend bill forbidding future Treasury purchases

of foreign silver.

KMS

CONFIDENTIAL

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 1, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Mr. Knoke has telephoned me that the officers of the Federal Reserve
Bank in New York are now considering the inquiry of the International
Hydrographic Bureau in Monaco in regard to the possibility of earmarking
gold in New York, and the privilege for selling the same. Knoke asked if
the State or Treasury Departments had any definite preferences on this
matter. When I spoke with Dr. Feis today he said he thought the State Department would raise no objection thereto. When I asked whether the State
Department wanted an exception made in favor of such a step, he said he would
consult Under Secretary Welles in the premises and call me back. I have not
yet heard from him.

Mr. Knoke stated that he and his colleagues felt rather strongly that

an earmarked account should not be opened by the Federal Reserve Bank in

favor of this international organization unless the Government strongly insists, and in that event a fiscal agency account would be preferred. As it
is now, earmarked accounts are held only for central banks, the B.I.S., and
for the Treasury of one country which has no central bank, The Federal Reserve feels that this present exception would be unwarranted, since it would

be giving a privilege for hoarding gold, as quite distinct from the facility
for preserving gold for monetary stocks and purposes involved in the usual
earmarking practice.

Before getting these views from Knoke I had mentioned the question to
Bernstein, whose first reaction was that we should provide a haven of refuge
for the holdings of international organizations in which governments partici-

pate. Mr. Bell took no firm position, but was hesitant about increasing
earmarked gold in this country through opening up additional accounts. It

should be borne in mind that American organizations do not have the facility

for preserving their assets through holding gold in this country.

AM.R.

May 2, 1940

Mr. Livesey telephoned me at 10:15 this morning to the effect that a
memorandum had been circulated to the interested officers in the State Department in regard to the question as to whether we should open an earmarked
gold account for the International Hydrographic Bureau. Mr. Welles had expressed the opinion thereon that he saw no objection, but that the measure
seemed to be one to be determined by the Treasury and Federal Reserve.

Through the Department of State, we contribute $5,790 annually to the support
of the International Hydrographic Bureau.

KMR.

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INTERNATIONAL HYDROGRAPHIC BUREAU
QUAI DE PLAISANCE
MONTE CARLO

26th March 1940

Sir:

The International Hydographic Bureau is anxious to

obtain official information regarding the importation of gold
into the United States of America. First, can such gold be
shipped to the United States and earmarked for the International
Hydrographic Bureau which is an international organization under

the auspices of the League of Nations? Second, could this gold

or a part of it be sold in the United States for dollars and if
so, under what restrictions?
The International Hydrographic Bureau has its entire
reserve fund in gold bars which are now held in London in safe

custody deposit in the bank for foreign account. The International Hydrographic Bureau is free to dispose of this gold and
would normally leave this gold in London but unforeseen events

arising from the war may necessitate other disposition of this
gold.

The Directing Committee would very much appreciate
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whatever information you can give them in this connection.
a
I am, Sir,
Yours very truly
MA

(Signed)

John D. Nares
Vice-Admiral

President of the Directing Committee.
The Director
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
NEW YORK

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

FFICE CORRESPONDENCE

DATE April 5, 1940
SUBJECT The International Hydrographic

Mr. Liddy
ROM

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R. Tiresa

Burean.

The International Hydrographic Bureau is one of a large number of
International Bureaus which have sprung up since the Hague Conventions of
1909. The International Hydrographic Bureau was founded in London in 1919

and was definitely established in 1921. It has the same status as Postal Union
and the International Bureaus of Weights and Measures, Whaling, etc.

Though placed under the direction of the League of Nations on October 2,

1921 the Bureau has no direct connection with the League. It does not
derive its funds from the League budget nor is it subject to it in matters re-

lating to its policy or work. (Early in the 20's it was desired to bring all
International Bureaus and Organisations within the framework of the League but

this net with such opposition on the part of the individual bureaus that no more
could be achieved than the establishment of an advisory connection between them

and the League of Nations.) The object of the International Hydrographic Bureau
is to establish a permanent association between the hydrographic services of various
maritime powers with a view to the improvement of conditions of maritime journies
and transport, and in general to advance the science of hydrography.
In 1958 the following countries were members of the International
Hydrographic Bureaus Argentine, Australia, Brasil, United Kingdom, China, Demark,
Ecuador, Egypt, France, Japan Monaco, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Sism, Spain, Sweden,
United States and Uruguay.

The International Bureau is run by a governing body. It derives its
funds from contributions by the member organisations or states; these are fixed
on the basis of the maritime importance of its members. The total budget in 1958

amounted to 177,800 gold francs or roughly 50,000 dollars. In 1958 the chairs
of the governing body of the Bureau was Vice-Admiral J. Nares of the United

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

FFICE CORRESPONDENCE

DATE

SUBJECT

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Kingdom. The American member of the governing body was Rear Admiral W. 8. Grosley
of the U.S. Navy.

The International Hydrographic Bureau is required by statutes to hold
conferences every five years, or more frequently if the majority of the members

so specify. It held conferences in 1919, 1926, 1929, 1932, and 1957. The
Bureau publishes regularly a Hydrographic Review, a Bulletin and special publica-

tions of a scientific character. It has very fine buildings and an interesting
auseum at Monte Carlo, Monace. Apart from the fact that Monace is a member of

the Burean, there is no connection between it and the Principality of Monaco.

In taking a decision regarding the request of the International
Hydrographic Bureau to earmark gold it should be remembered that there are menerous

other organisations of a similar character endowed with an analogous legal status

and entitled to the same considerations. This statement is not intended to cast
doubt on the usefulness of such organisations as to draw attention to their number.
Further information on the International Hydrographic Bureau might be
obtained through the U.S. Hydrographic Bureau and from the Handbook of International

Organisations published by the League of Nations. Our Library does not own this
publication.

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RETAK

EXTRACT FROM

HANDBOOK OF INTERNATIONAL
ORGANIZATIONS

Geneva - 1929

INTERNATIONAL HYDROGRAPHIC BUREAU.
BUREAU HYDROGRAPHIQUE INTERNATIONAL
at: Monaco. 3, avenue du Port.
undation : 1919: definitely established in 1921.
jeet: To establish a permanent association between the hydrographic services of the various
States to co-ordinate their work with a view to rendering navigation easier and safer
in all seas : to endeavour to obtain uniformity in hydrographic documents and to advance
the science of hydrography.
embers: The Governments of Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, China, Denmark, Egypt,
France, Germany. Great Britain, Greece, Italy, Japan, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway,
Peru, Poland, Portugal, Siam, Spain, Sweden and United States of America.
verning Body: President-Rear-Admiral A. P. NIBLACK (United States of America). Members:
General P. DE VANSSAY DE BLAVOUS (France) and Captain L. TONTA (Italy).
ficer Secretary-General-Commander G. B. SPICER-SIMSON D.S.O.

finance Contributions of the States members in proportion to their maritime importance.
Budget of 265,000 gold francs.
etivities: First Conference held in London 1919, second at Monaco 1926. Statutory conference
every five years, supplementary conference when required by majority of members

first supplementary conference April 1929. Publications: Reports of proceedings of
the conferences: annual reports; special publications on technical subjects: YearBook for 1928 and 1929.
Historical Facts: This public international bureau was placed under the direction of the League
of Nations by a decision of the Council of October 2nd, 1921.
fificial Publication The Hydrographical Review.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
PROCUREMENT DIVISION
OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR

WASHINGTON

5/10

May 1, 1940

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY

There is attached hereto copy of confidential memorandum received
from the Acting Chief, Bureau of Aeronautics, Navy Department, con-

cerning a deferment on the part of the Navy of the delivery of

eighty (80) airplanes manufactured by the Grumman Aircraft Engineering
Corporation, Bethpage, L.I., New York.

To date no definite information has been received concerning the
award of a contract to Grumman referred to in the third paragraph of
attached memorandum, although it is understood that the French are
interested in the plane.

att.

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NAVY DEPARTMENT

BUREAU OF AERONAUTICS
WASHINGTON

April 30, 1940
MEMORANDUM

CONFIDENTIAL

For:

Mr. H. E. Collins, Chairman,

SUBJECT:

Sale of Grumman Airplanes to French Government.

President's Liaison Committee.

The Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation, Bethpage, L.I., New York,
has requested deferment of delivery to the Navy Department of eighty (80) of the
F4F-3 airplanes being constructed under Contract 68219 to permit acceptable deliveries of similar planes to the Government of France under an order now being
1.

negotiated.
2.

The Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation has been authorized to

negotiate on the general basis of their proposal to the Bureau of Aeronautics
which the Bureau considers satisfactory. The contractor offers, in compensation
for the deferment of deliveries to the Navy, to reduce the price on each of the
80 airplanes by $2400, of which $800 is considered to be the pro rata share of
the engineering expense on this model which is to be transferred to and borne by
the foreign customer. The remaining reduction, amounting to $1600 per airplane,
is considered to represent the expected reduction in cost of manufacture due to
increased quantity. The contractor further has offered a series of changes in the

airplanes for the Navy's acceptance, not as an addition to, but in substitution for,
the reductions in price to whatever extent the Navy Department may elect. These
changes provide improvements of the type and will be accepted in the combination
and to the extent best suited to the Navy Department's particular needs.

The Bureau is advised that negotiations have been substantially concluded and that the manufacturer is in receipt from the Government of France of
authority to proceed with construction of 81 airplanes in advance of execution of
formal contract.
3.

/s/
M. A. Mitscher
Copy to:

Rear Admiral Ray Spear (SC) USN,

Member President's Liaison Committee
Aeronautical Board
The Chief of Air Corps

Captain, USN.

Acting Chief of Bureau
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THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE

to I.

WASHINGTON

May 1, 1940
Personal

Dear Henry:

With reference to your telephone call of yesterday,
I find that the matter will be formally presented to the

Department of Justice within the next few days through
memoranda which are now being prepared by the War and
Navy Departments as well as by this Department.

Consideration of this entire question has brought
out the fact, however, that the formal inclusion in contracts of the proposed clause binding sellers and buyers

to refrain from the exportation of tin and rubber will
be relatively ineffective since there will be no penalty
which can be enforced in the courts. The officials who
have been studying the matter believe that the main problem is in securing the voluntary cooperation of all those
concerned and they tell me that very good progress has
already been made in that direction. They further state
that the Amtorg Corporation in particular is now finding
it difficult to secure either commodity in this market.
If there is anything further I can do to be helpful,
let me know.

Believe me

Yours very sincerely

falls
The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury.

OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS TO

THE SECRETARY OF STATE

14

.

WASHINGTON, D.C.

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

May 1, 1940.

In reply refer to

A 840.51 Frozen Credits/45

The Secretary of State presents his compliments

to the Honorable the Secretary of the Treasury and

transmits, for an indication of the reply that may
appropriately be made thereto, a copy of telegram
no. 554, dated May 1, 1940, from the American Embassy

at Paris, regarding funds blocked under Treasury
regulations.

Enclosure:

From Paris, no. 554,

May 1, 1940.

of

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GRAY

JR

Paris

Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 12:05 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

554, May 1, 2 p.m.
Halvard Bachke, formerly Norwegian Minister in

Washington, presently Norwegian Minister in Paris, has
inquired whether the Department could advise him what steps
are necessary to Effect the release of certain bank
accounts in his and Mrs. Bachke's names with the Chase
National Bank, Guaranty Trust Company and Riggs National
Bank, which are now blocked.
Please telegraph.
BULLITT
RR

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MAY 1TH 1940

My dear Mr. Secretary:

There are enclosed herewith a number of copies of Executive
Order No. 6560 of January 15, 1934, Regulations of November 12, 1934,

Executive Order No. 8389 of April 10, 1940, the Regulations of the

Secretary of the Treasury issued thereunder, certain application,
license and report forms, general rulings and an announcement to the
press.

As you know, the above-described Order and Regulations have

imposed restrictions on certain transactions in Danish and Norwegian
property and have set up a system of licensing transactions in such

property. Pursuant to the authority conferred by section 5(b) of
the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, the restrictions of the Order
and Regulations extend to persons and property within the United

States and places subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
If it has not already been done, it would be appreciated
if the documents transmitted with this letter were forwarded to the
United States High Commissioner in the Philippines and to the Gover-

nors of Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rice and the Virgin Islands.
Unless you have some objections, kindly inform the officials
referred to in the preceding paragraph that they are designated by
the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to the authority conferred upon
his by the Executive Order as the persons to administer the abovedescribed Order and Regulations is the places named.

17

-2Such officials should also be instructed as follower

They are authorised to receive applications for licenses and to quest applicants to file under oath with their applications any
additional information which my be deemed appropriate. Where oir
constances require proupt action with respect to applications, such

officials are further authorised to grant licenses for transactions
which are not inconsistent with thepurposes of the Executive Order,

provided that such officials are satisfied that the applications
cover normal commercial and business requirements or reasonable travel-

ing and other personal requirements. All other applications should
be forearded as expeditiously as possible to the Treasury Department

at Washington, Special situations may be dealt with by eable or
radio. Advice may be obtained by such officials directly from the
Treasury Department at Washington with respect to the greating or dental

of applications for licenses and with respect to other questions which
may arise is the administration of the Order and Regulations. When applications are forwarded to the Treasury Department the above-mail

efficials will be prouptly advised whether the license is granted or
denied. In order to enable the Treasury Department to advise concern-

ing the granting or denial of licenses, the officials receiving appliestions should number consecutively applications received by then. In

eases in which such officials are authorised under those instructions

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-3.
to issue licenses, licenses may be greated in appropriate cases as,

for example, to business enterprises, ships' agente, etc., authorising

not arely individual transactions but all customary trensactions
during one-week periods within fixed dollar limits. In such cases
licensees should be required to file reports promptly at the and
of each one-week period setting forth all of the transactions consummated during such period.

The above-named efficials are also authorised to receive

all of the reports received to be filed by the Order and Regulations

of April 10, 1940 and to take other appropriate action to carry out
the provisions thereof. Copies of all licenses issued and the

originals of all reports filed should be transmitted by air sail to
the Treasury Department at Washington and the Department should be

kept advised of any action taken to enforce the Order and of any
sircumstances which indicate violations thereof.
The above-named officials should be requested to have

copies of the new Executive Order and Regulations, together with
Executive Order No. 6560 of January 15, 1934, and application and

report form promptly prepared and distributed to interested per-

sens and otherwise brought to the attention of the public. In
particular it should be made clear that applications and reports
may be filed with such officials rather than with a Federal Reserve
bank.

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It also would be appreciated If you would have the High
Commissioner in the Philippines promptly advise this Department

whether the time within which persons in the Philippine Islands my
file reports on Form 178-100 and TFR-200 is adequate. Under present

regulations and instructions, such reports would have to be filed
on or before May 15, 1940.

If you have any suggestions as to the Manner is which the
Executive Order of April 10, 1960 and the Regulations issued thereom-

der should be administered is the Philippine Islands, Blaska, Revell,
Puarte Rise and the Virgin Islands, I would welcom an expression of
your views.

Very truly yours,
(begand) H Morgenshon, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.

The Honorable,

The Secretary of the Interior.
Beclosures

File to Mr. Thompson

By Messenger 1000 pm

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 1, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

When I read on the news ticker yesterday of Australian action with
respect to United States dollar securities, I asked Pinsent by telephone

if he had anything on this subject. He had nothing in addition to the
news item. Later in the day Mr. Officer of the Australian Legation telephoned me, saying that Pinsent had let him know of my interest in the

Australian announcements. Consequently, he was sending me by messenger
a memorandum on the subject. The original of this memorandum was sent to

the Secretary's residence by me last night.

There is attached a copy of a cablegram which the Federal Reserve
Bank of New York received yesterday from the Governor of the Commonwealth

Bank of Australia in regard to the step under reference. Mr. Knoke told
me by telephone this morning that this was the first information received

from the Australian Bank to supplement the request made some weeks ago, and

reported to the Treasury, that the Federal permit the opening of a special

account for the Commonwealth Bank of Australia into which the proceeds of

the sales of United States dollar securities by Australia could be deposited.

On checking at the State Department today, I found that there had been
no correspondence or negotiations between the Australian Legation and the

State Department in regard to this question of sale of securities. The

three officers who said they were aware of no such negotiations were Messrs.
Feis, Minter (who handles the Australian desk) and Livesey. At 12:40 today
Livesey telephoned me that a cablegram had been received from our Consul

General in Australia, and I now attach a copy thereof.

We have no knowledge of the possible volume of securities involved other
than the estimate given in the attached cablegram. The question arises as
to whether we should at this date ask the Australian Legation to provide us

with any pertinent information, or keep in touch with us in regard to their
operations.

MMR.

May 4. 1940

When I brought the Secretary to date last night on Australia security
selling, he agreed that I should not make any protest to the Legation because
of lack of advance information on the Australian plan, but that I should continue to keep in touch with the Legation and receive such information as Mr.
Officer is now providing me in regard to Australian finances.

X.M.R.

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INFORMATION COPY FOR Mr. Liddy

ERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

21

INCOMING CABLEGRAM-SERIAL NO
2955

RECEIVED april 30, 1040

Sydney, Apr. 30, 1940.
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
New York

No. 53

Your 24.

Commonwealth Government published regulation today

listing 20 dollar stocks and requiring owners thereof to sell
and pay dollar proceeds to Federal Reserve Bank of New York at

New York for the credit of Cormonwealth Bank of Australia Sydney
Number 3 Account.

Sales must be completed within 6 months not less than

half within first 3 months. Please treat this as authority to
open necessary Number 3 Account in the name of this bank and credit

payments thereto disbursement to be effected by duly authenticated

cable messages from this office or be draft signed by two officers
as for existing account.
Cable daily amount of each deposit and full name of

beneficiary. Cable balance of account weekly. In order that
00

code words for christian names and surnames may be available we

suggest you use Cormonwealth Bank of Australia Private Telographic

Code for these messages. On April 26 we posted you additional copy

of this code with special appropriation set up opposite page 318.
Please cable us when received. Full details including copy of
regulation being forwarded by air mail.
Governor Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
DIVISION

MY Post.157 TEST CORRECT

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GRAY

HSM

Sydney

Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 7:23 a. m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

May 1, 5 D. m.

By an order of the Commonwealth Treasurer gazetted

yesterday Australian owners of 20 specified dollar stocks
must sell them for United States currency within the next
six months and pay the proceeds to the Commonwealth Bank's
account in NEW York, after which the Commonwealth Bank

will pay the Australian seller in Australian currency.
Press report from Canberra states that Eventually

all non-sterling stocks will have to be sold, and give
$5,000,000 as an unofficial Estimate of the amount to
bE realized by yesterday's order.
The Commonwealth Bank informed ME confidentially

that the order will not be applied to American citizens
residing in Australia.
DOYLE
NPL

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PLAIN

JR

London

Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 12:05 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1094, May 1.
FOR TREASURY FROM BUTTERIORTH.

1. An Order in Council has been made dealing with

those holdings of the securities named in the two acquisition
of securities orders of February 17 and April 13 which have
not been transferred to the Treasury owing to their not
having been previously registered with the Bank of England.
The British Treasury is now Empowered to acquire such

holdings Either at the price stipulated at the time of the
calling up order or at the current market price, "whichever
be the lower".
2. London press reports the Australian Government

has issued a proclamation requiring owners of 20 specified

dollar stocks to sell half their holdings within three
months and the remainder within six months. The TLIES

correspondent Estimates the resultant increase in Australian
dollar balances in NEW York W ill bs about $5,500,000.

3. In the city military EVENTS in Norway are overshadowing all other considerations.
KENNEDY

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PLAIN

JR

Helsinki
Dated May 1, 1940
Rec'd 10 a.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

212, first.
Opening Diet debate government resettlement bill intro-

duced yesterday Prime Miniter said this perhaps first time world
history that large population from area ceded foreign country
without exception abandoned former homes moving within new

boundaries their fatherland showing tenacity patriotism con-

fidence national prospects capacity create satisfactory living
conditions for them. Considering small population Finland fact
diminished territory nevertheless provides space evacuated

population important avoid losing eighth population but natural
that transfer four hundred fifty thousand people and their reincorporation gigantic task which specially in present conditions involves
nearly insurmountable difficulties soluble only by state requiring
cooperation sympathy sacrifices everybody but also initiative
patience hard work evacuees. Transferred population has no legal

right demand or receive compensation for its losses but having
lost everything and performed its duty to the country has moral
right expect Finnish state and people do all possible help them

renew life. Hoped transfer land this purpose can be effected

voluntarily far as possible but if this cannot be done rapidly
enough or to sufficient extent necessary take compulsory measures.

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rather increased. This involves question sums available for
compensation how much capital levy can produce without

causing serious disturbances national economy state finance
taxpayers. Consequence war Finland much poorer having

lost considerable proportion best most enterprising men
national income largely decreased consumption during war
greatly exceeding normal. Government finances out of balance

and for duration great power war possibility restoring
balance through export industries most limited. Must
seriously endeavor increase peoples income cannot close

eyes present difficulties. Though Finland has form taxation

called capital tax it is not really and is merely supplemental
income tax. However reasonable capital tax is possible

cannot be higher than permits rapid liquidation without
imposing long term obligation on taxpayers. Must be so
ordered that little cash used and payments made in great part
in kind accounts being balanced by kind of clearing whereby

for instance loser real property obtains compensation in
certificates useable purchase new land pay taxes. Discussing
amount procurable capital levy Prime Minister said taxable

wealth 1937 throughout country about fifty-eight billion marks
including four one half billions pertaining ceded areas tax
based on wealth exceeding 100,000 marks only. By reducing

limit to forty thousand marks taxable wealth can probably

be increased to sixty or sixty-five billions. Producing
possible

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possible tax four one half to five billions less deductible
war losses so that perhaps three one half to four billions
available. Compensable war damages estimated ten thousand

six hundred millions including seven hundred millions to be
carried by those receiving compensation. Hence considerable
difference between losses and amounts apparently available

requiring limitation compensation rate. Concluding Prime

Minister said "better look facts and difficulties in the
eye be satisfied with less but work on safe ground than with
slogans wishful thinking excessive optimism. Firmly confident

government bill will lead continued strengthening unity
social structure national economy".
Press announces debate resumed May three and that special

committee working capital levy bill submitted report April
thirty Finance Minister for consideration.
SCHOENFELD

DDM

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PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Consulate General, Shanghai
NO.:

372

DATE:

May 1, 1940

Reference is made to the Department's telegram

no. 183 of April 27, 1940, 2 p.m.
It is now believed that the Italian Bank for China
isin a position to meet without serious embarrasement
any emergency which may arise from the situation in

Europe. It is reported that forward transactions have
been resumed on a somewhat restricted basis and that

belligerent banks and brokers are being told that if
the Italian Bank finds itself unable for any reason to
meet directly its commitments on the due date, such
commitments will be met through the Chase Bank.

It is stated by the manager of the Chase Bank that
although no definite arrangement has been made recently,

he would be prepared, if so requested by the Italian

Bank, to take over at any time the Italian Bank for
China's sterling balances in London and its open com-

mitments with nationals of belligerents in Shanghai.
He states that when the Italian-Abyssinian conflict
began the Chase Bank had made arrangements to perform

this service for the Italian Bank for China and that
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he would expect that in case Italy became involved in
the present war in Europe he would be requested to help

in a similar manner as the Italian Bank for China had
made similar arrangements on several occasions since the

Abyssinian conflict. In explanation he said that very
friendly relations were maintained between the heads of
the parent organizations of the two Shandhai banking
institutions in New York and Rome, respectively.

He considers that in view of the delicate situation
in Europe the local financial operations carried on
recently by the Italian Bank are no more than natural.
However, he has promised that if any new developments

of a probable major significance arise regarding the

attitude of Italy toward the war in Europe, he will
promptly inform this office.
This message has been repeated to Chungking and
Peiping.
BUTRICK

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GRAY

JR

Milan

Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 1:12 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

19, May 1, 5 pell.
FOR TREASURY DEPARTMENT. Today's prices as follows:

202. 75; 347. 75; 513 not listed; 989; 208. 75; 1664; 66.
50; 235. 50. Volume 84,075.
Market improved prices rose slightly on confirmation of
rumors that new fiscal measures less SEVERE than previously

feared. Tomorrow holiday, Exchange closed.
SHOLES
CSB

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REB
GRAY

Paris

Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 2:45 p. n.
Secretary of State,
Washington.

560, May 1, 6 P. M.
FOR THE TREASURY.

Presumably because of the failure of the Senate

to take any action in regard to the bill providing
for the Establishment of a superior Export council in
the Ministry of Commerce (as reported in the Embassy's

telegram No. 433, April 5, 7 p. n.) the bill had
previously received the approval of the Chamber the
government has created such a body by means of a

decree published in today's Journal Official.
(END SECTION ONE)
BULLITT
KLP
DDM

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GRAY

JR

Paris
Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 3:38 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

560, May 1, 6 p.m. (SECTION TWO).

The Minister of Commerce will act as Chairman of the Council,
other members being the Under Secretary for
Commerce, four representatives of the Senate and Chamber
Committees on COMMERCE and customs, eight representatives
of French industry and COMMERCE and Eleven Government

officials concerned with questions of trade, industry and
finance.

The weaker tendency on the securities market yesterday
became more pronounced today in view of unfavorable rumors

from abroad regarding the situation in Norway and the
precautionary shipping measures adopted by Great Britain
in the Mediterranean. Rentes declined from 10 centimes to

francs 1.10. LOSSES in other securities ranged from 2% to

5% Scandinavian issues Especially were lower. Suez lost
570 points. END OF MESSAGE.

BULLITT
WWC

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JI

GRAY

Bern

Dated May 1, 1940

Rec'd 7:20 p.m.

Secretary of State
Washington

29, May 1, 6 p.m.
Swiss Federal Council has issued a decree

Effective April 27 temporarily freezing Danish

assets in SwitzErland, requiring all direct or
indirect payments by individuals or firms domiciled
in Switzerland in favor of individuals or firms
domiciled in Denmark to be Effected through the

Swiss National Bank (text forwarded by mail).
This is a protective measure on behalf of Swiss

creditors adopted as a result of interruption of
free Exchange payments to Switzerland from Denmark,
and pending conclusion of an EXPECTED clearing
.

agreement.

Swiss authorities have been advised by their
representative in Copenhagen that the Danish Govern-

ment hopes to maintain trade relations with Switzerland on previous scale (imports from Denmark in 1939,
25,000,000

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25,000,000 francs; Exports 20,000,000). Authorities
here are sceptical as to whether this will prove
possible.
No similar action taken or said at present
to be under consideration by Swiss Government

regarding Norway.

HARRISON

EMB

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34

Division of Monetary Research
Date
To:

From:

Draft which Mr. White discussed

with the Secretary at 3:30, on
May 1, 1940 (at which time it was
decided to go ahead with preparation
of speech.)

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During this past year, and increasingly during the
months since the outbreak of the European War, we at the

Treasury have been receiving scores of inquiries about gold.
The people of this country are perplexed. They are asking
why 80 much gold is coming here. They want to know whether

this is good or bad. They want to know if the future value
of gold is in danger. They ask whether the United States
will be able to use this gold or whe ther we shall be stuck

with it. They wonder whe ther it wouldn't be better to
import less gold. They are afraid that we may perhaps be
paying too high a price for gold. They want to know whe ther
we can reduce the inflow and whether we should if we could,
and 80 on.

Let me give you some of the pertinent facts.
During the last six years we have acquired more
gold than we or any other country ever possessed.
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-2Last year alone we received over $3 billion. This year,

while almost all of the principal countries of the world
have been losing gold, we have been getting it at the rate
of $250 million a month. The United States Treasury now

has in its vaults over $19 billion of gold

truly

site

amounting to two-thirds of all the gold held
by the combined Treasuries and Central Banks of the world!

How can we account for 80 large an inflow of gold?

The answer is at once disturbing and reassuring. It

is disturbing because this drain of gold from foreign countries results from a gravely distorted economic and political

situation throughout the world. It is reassuring since
that gold is coming here because the United States has

peace, security, and social and political stability. Our
economic position in the world is dominant and unchallenged

and the large inflow of gold into the United States
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-3is but the monetary reflection of that economic and social
strength.

There is a good deal of misunderstanding as to why
gold keeps coming to the United States. Some people
have expressed the view that it comes here because the

United States stands ready to buy all the gold offered to

us at a fixed price. But that obviously cannot be the
explanation. We have been buying gold at a fixed price for

virtually 150 years. Ever since 1792 -- with only a 7
months' interlude -- we have been ready to buy at a fixed

price all the gold offered to us.
Some people again are under the impression that we are

getting gold because we pay a higher price for it than other

countries do. This also is an error. The price for gold
is virtually the same the world over. When we convert our

$35 price for gold into the currencies of other nations and
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-4make proper allowance for shipping, insurance, and other

costs incidental to transportation, we find that the price
we pay for gold is no more than other countries do. Any
one can prove this for himself by a simple arithmetic

computation. All he has to do is ascertain the price of
gold in the terms of the currency of any other country,

convert that price into dollars at current exchange rates,

and add for costs of transporting gold. He will find that
though the price for gold is given in sterling in London,
in guilders in Amsterdam, and in pesos in Buenos Aires, etc.,
when converted into any common unit of currency the price

for one ounce of gold is approximately the same the world
over.

I suspect that much of the confusion about the gold
question arises from a misunderstanding of the nature of
gold transactions. Let me make myself clear.
No Treasury or Central Bank goes out into the world
markets to buy gold as a government buys Army blankets,
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-5say, or office furniture or armaments. Gold plays a

highly specialized role. It is international money. It
moves from country to country not as a commodity but as a

medium of international exchange. It 18 sold to buy the
currency of the country of destination. When London, for
example, sends gold to New York for sale -- what London

wants is dollars. Similarly, when we sell gold to England,
what we want is Sterling. Therefore, when people ask why

foreigners send gold to the United States, they are really
asking the question: Why do foreigners want so many dollars

rather than their own or some other country's currency that

gold is sent here to obtain dollars?
Or, another way of asking the question, is: Why do foreign
countries currently owe more cash to us than we owe to them?

In the first place, we have sold more good and services
abroad than we have purchased. From 1933 to 1937 our mer-

chandise export supplus was not very large, averaging less

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-6than $300 million per year. In 1938 and 1939, however, it
has been about $1 billion a year.

Secondly, a large portion of the dollars obtained by

foreigners is kept on deposit with our banks. It is kept
there for possible exchange gains from depreciation of their
own currencies and for safekeeping because foreigners think

America is a safe place to keept their money.

Thirdly, another portion is used to make investments in
American industry because foreigners think American business

is a safe and profitable investment.

For these two latter reasons alone, almost 3 billion of
foreign funds have come to the United States in the past

six years. And this is a great tribute to the soundness of
America.

We find, too, that Americans have been withdrawing

their funds from abroad, and liquidating their foreign
investments. During the past six years over 1 1/4 billion
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dollars of American capital has been repatriated. And

this, too, has helped to swell the inflow of gold.
Such was our position up to the war crisis. Since the
war things have changed. Our export surplus 18 running at

a much higher rate -- actually at double the rate of last
year, while capital movements to the United States now

have become a minor item. The net flow of foreign capital
to this country has dropped this year partly because many

countries are prohibiting outflow of capital and partly because some of the belligerents are using up their dollar
deposits and their holdings of American securities to pay

for imports from the United States. This reduced inflow of
capital, however, has been more than offset by the sharp

increase in our net exports of goods and services arising

directly out of war conditions; 80 that foreigners want on
balance just as many more dollars now as they did last year.
That is why we have so large a favorable balance of payments; that is why gold has been coming to this country.
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of course, it was and is always possible to greatly reduce

this gold Inflow. But we could do 80 only by sacrificing
recovery.

We could, for example, cut our exports of commodities

and services by a billion dollars or so a year, but by 80
doing we would throw hundreds of thousands of workers out of

their jobs and wholly disrupt agriculture. And we could
possibly reduce the inflow of gold by increasing our purchases from abroad by another billion or 80 a year, but,
again only if we permitted foreign goods to flood our home
market at the expense of American farm and manufactured
products.

Another possible way of reducing gold flows would be to

force the return of the foreign capital or an outflow of
domestic funds. This would again spell trouble for us since

we are here speaking in terms of billions of dollars, not
millions. There is no possibility that mild measures designed

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to make the dollar less attractive will have the effect of

driving such capital out of this country; for there is virtually
no other country to which billions can go with a degree of

safety sufficient to attract such sums. To be effective under
prevailing circumstances our action would have to be drastic.

It would have to be so drastic as to produce extremely disturbing effects on our security and financial markets and do
permanent damage to the principle of mobility of capital
throughout the world. For the United States -- the one safe
haven for liquid funds, the one country that under existing
conditions can best afford to permit unrestricted movements of

capital -- a procedure of such character would, I believe, be
an unwise move. With a return of normal conditions, however,

much can be done to facilitate the repatriation of foreign
funds now here.

No. All the alternatives are definitely bad. I am sure
you will agree with me that no responsible person would want

to stop the inflow of gold at the price of
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precipitating any of the serious consequences I have
mentioned. And yet that is exactly what some people are

advocating. Perhaps they don't know it, but that is
just what they are advising us to do when they suggest
that we stop buying foreign gold, or that we change the

price we pay for gold, or that we wipe out our "favorable"
trade balance.

Take, for example, this proposal so frequently made

to us that we stop buying gold. It has the charm of

simplicity; all we have to do is prohibit gold imports by
a Treasury order. Well, let us look at what would happen.
The immediate reaction would be a sharp increase in the

value of the dollar in terms of foreign currencies. Foreign currencies, in other words, would at once sharply
depreciate and a chain of economic forces would be set in
motion which would disrupt our domestic and foreign trade.
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I will not go into the technicalities. Briefly this
is what would happen. First of all American products would

be much more difficult to sell in foreign markets. This
would not apply 80 much to war goods - airplanes, armaments,

etc. -- but it would hit hard our export of hundreds of
agricultural and industrial commodities not vital to the
conduct of war. We would lose heavily in the very markets
we will badly need when the war 18 over. Increased imports
of foreign goods, at the same time, would react even more

drastically on our domestic economy. It will be just those
very items which compete with our domestic manufactures that

will flood our home markets. We would not be encouraged to

buy much more rubber or tin. But meat and dairy products,
textiles, and hundreds of other manufactures would at once

be subjected to greatly intensified competition from abroad.
Furthermore, Americans who have investments abroad (we have

some $7 billion) would find that they had suffered substantial
losses overnight, just as foreigners with investments here would
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- 13 find that they had windfall gains overnight.
So you see this simple and charming remedy is, in effect,
a proposal that would completely disrupt our foreign exchanges
and our trade and greatly increase unemployment in this

country. And so with the other naive proposals which some
well-meaning citizens suggest as a remedy for our accumulating
gold stocks.

Shall we follow their advice and out the price for gold?
A moderate cut would be ineffective, and a cut sufficiently

large to reduce our annual gold inflow by a billion or two
would introduce the same conditions as would follow on a

prohibition of gold imports. It would mean a serious decrease
in trade and a big increase in unemployment.

Shall we discriminate against certain countries in the
purchases of our gold? Such a policy would not even have

the virtue of effectiveness. There is no way in which you

can differentiate one bar of gold from another bar, for gold
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- 14 is one of the most homogeneous products in the world. Ob-

literate the mark of country of origin and you can no longer

identify its source. Remelt it and it is salable anywhere
in the world. The active cooperation of practically the
whole world would be required to prevent any one country's

gold from circulating. Obviously this would be impossible
under any circumstances, let alone at a time such as this.

Gold is an exceedingly specialized instrument of inter-

national finance. Its value depends upon its unqualified
use and acceptance as an international medium of exchange.

For the United States to take any action which would diminish

the utility of gold as an international medium of exchange

would be little short of criminal irresponsibility.
Our gold policy is carefully adjusted to the realities
of a complex world situation. Examine any proposal submitted
to us and you will clearly see that we have been pursuing

the only course compatible with our national interests; that
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- 15 any change in that policy would have adverse effects on us
and on the rest of the world.

of course, should basic conditions alter, should we
be confronted with new and unforeseen economic and political
developments, we shall necessarily react in such a way as

will best protect American interests. -- It is to be prepared for precisely such contingency that we have insisted

right along on maintaining flexible powers with respect to

gold operations. -- But so long as the inflow of gold is
due to the circumstances I have indicated, no change is called

for. If we are to act in the publ 1c interest, we must follow
the policy by which we have so far abided.
to Gr sure, easily contact

of course, We can stop the flow of gold by selling on

credit. Instead of accepting foreign gold in payment for the
goods we sell, we can take I.O.U.'s. I assure you that we

would have no difficulty in selling many billion dollars'
worth of our goods and services on such terms. Foreign
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- 16 countries would be only too delighted with such an arrangement.
There may even be some here who prefer that the United States

should receive the I.O.U.'s of foreign governments in place
of their gold. As for me, I know of no good reason why we

would be better off selling our goods for credit instead of
cash.

There is only one way in which we can appropriately and

realistically work to reduce the inflow of gold, and that is
by doing everything in our power to promote business recovery

here, and by laboring to reestablish normal political and
economic conditions abroad. With an increasing measure of
prosperity here and with peace and economic stability abroad

the gold problem will resolve itself. Our great export surplus
will necessarily drop -- not because we shall sell less abroad
but because we shall buy more as a result of increased busi-

ness activity. Foreign capital will be gradually repatriated -not because we drive it out but because it is attracted home
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by the reemergence of security abroad. Our investors will
once again invest their funds abroad -- not because of the
scarcity of opportunity at home but because of greatly
enhanced opportunities for sound and profitable investments

in other lands. And finally our tourists will spend hundreds
of millions more in foreign countries.
These are the developments which will automatically and

gradually direct the flow of gold away from the United States.
These are the developments upon which we must concentrate.

We must concentrate on the promotion of further recovery

here and peace and security abroad not in order to correct
the gold situation, but because prosperity, peace and
security are in themselves the supreme ends of policy. That

their attainment will also solve the world's gold problem is
only a by-product, albeit an important one.

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There is another aspect of the gold question that I
should like to speak about -- the banking aspect. There are
two diametrically opposed views with respect to our gold pol-

ioy which in effect cancel each other out. One says that
the inflow of gold by creating a vast base for credit expansion is promoting a runaway credit inflation. The other
maintains that the Administration is retarding recovery by

burying the gold in Fort Knox instead of putting it into
active circulation.
Now the fear that inflows of gold will bring about runaway inflation is based on theories no longer relevant to
present-day circumstances. It used to be thought that the
existence of any large volume of excess reserves in the

banking system would lead to an inflation "irregardless".
The events of the last few years, during which excess reserves have amounted to many billions without any evidence

of price inflation, consequently should have taught all
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because of an increase in excess reserves. Run-away inflation
is the product of powerful economic forces which are absent
in the United States.

This Administration is, of course, entirely aware of

the undesirability of inflation. It will not permit an
excessive Dise in prices. If our present powers are inadequate to prevent it, new legislation can be easily obtained long before it is necessary to apply the brakes.
We shall be fully prepared to act if and when an excessive
rise in commodi ty prices appears imminent.

It is ironic to find people preccupied with the danger
of price inflation at a time when we still have far too
many idle resources and idle manpower. What we have to

worry about, if anything, is not that prices are too high,
but that they are not high enough. A moderate rise in
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- 20 prices would be beneficial to the farmers and producers
of this country, it would stimulate employment and business

recovery. Run-away price inflation can become a possibility
only when our economy is approaching capacity, whe n im-

portant bottlenecks appear in employment and production;
not before.

The opposite view held by some critics that our gold

policy leads to de flation is just as absurd. The gold
imported is being used just as much now as it ever was.

We are not sterilizing the inflowing gold. We are not
taxing to buy gold. We are not spending anybody's money
when the Treasury purchases gold. Our gold purchasing is

selfefinancing. Except for the gold held by the Stabilization
Fund and certain other relatively minor amounts from the

gold revaluation profits, there are gold certificates outstanding again st all the gold in the Treasury. These cer-

tificates constitute the major portion of the assets of
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Federal Reserve banks. Against these assets in the
Federal Reserve banks there exist either Federal Reserve
notes or deposits due to the commercial banks, which are

their legal reserves. These reserves are held in turn
against the demand and savings accounts of the public in

the commercial banks. For every dollar of gold in the

Treasury, therefore, the public holds at least one dollar
of bank deposits or currency.
Proposals have been made that one dollar of currency

be placed into circulation for every dollar of gold in the
Treasury instead of a check on government deposit. But the

public would be neither better nor worse off if this were
done. The additional currency thus placed into circulation would soon be deposited in the banks, and be returned to the Federal Reserve Banks as surplus currency.

Therefore, this proposal is obviously of no significance.

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The last proposal I want to deal with is that the Treasury

restore the issue of gold coins. This suggestion is of
very little importance. Even those who support it are
aware that such gold coins would not circulate more actively
and affect the dome stic economic situation more than do

the currency and bank deposits now in circulation against
gold. The adherents of gold coinage, though they do not
admit and may not even be aware of it, are merely asking

to make gold coins available for private hoarders. All
during the twenties there was very little gold coin in
circulation, and such as there was was used mainly for

gifts. For decades now the business of the country has
been transacted by means of bank deposits, paper money

and subsidiary silver and minor coin. For the United
States to start minting gold coins now would be to incur
a needless expense and to militate against the effective
regulation of the dome s tic monetary system in order to
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cater to an irrational demand of private hoarders.

Accordingly, I strongly believe in continuing to hold all
the monetary gold in one central pool in the possession of
the United States Government.

I should like finally to turn to the question of the
continued usefulness of the gold we have and the gold we

are going to get. The matter seems to be troubling some
people.

Let me reassure you once and for all. As long as
there are independent nations, and as long as there is

international trade in goods and services, 80 long will

it be necessary to settle international balances. And
gold is the most effective, most efficient, and most economic

medium for settling these balances. Gold is the international medium of exchange par excellence. Its acceptability

is universal; its utility as international money survives
changes in economic systems. It is used and needed just
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- 24 as much by the purest democracies as by dictatorships -as much by capitalist economies as by socialist economies.

It is the refined instrument of international exchange of
go od s and services, as well as an essential ingredient in

the more complex international financial transactions -an instrument that has functioned without challenge for

hundreds of years. Every foreign country wishes it had

more of it; no foreign country likes to lose any of it;
all countries accumulate it as soon as they can afford to

do 80. And the fact that some countries find it possible
to conduct the ir international trade without gold does
not mean that they prefer to do 80 any more than people
reading by candelight do 80 because they prefer candles

to electricity.
Gold does not lose its value because some countries

are forced to resort to clearing arrangements, barter,

import controls, and other substitutes. All these substitutes
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- 25 are admittedly a worse alternative. They are admittedly
a method of conducting trade and finance which will only
be adopted when a country does not possess adequate gold

holdings. Government resort wholly to these substitute
methods for keeping a country's balance of payments in

equilibrium only during times of great and prolonged stress
and instability, and only when for one reason or another

they have been unable to prevent a loss of practically all

their gold holdings. All countries would like to have
more gold, and the countries which have the least are, you

will find, countries which are striving most to add to
their gold holdings.
You hear much of the fact that Germany appears to

conduct her trade without the use of gold. I think I am
safe in saying that there probably isn't another country
in the world which, notwith standing its propaganda to the
contrary, values gold more highly than does Germany and
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- 26 which is more eager to accumula te gold at the first

opportunity. Any person at all familiar with the workings
of international trade and finance in countries like
Germany and Japan whose gold holdings are not adequate

will understand what I mean when I say that gold is the

most efficient, most satisfactory instrument of international exchange tha t has ever been developed. Gold is

not only the best way to store foreign purchasing power, it
not only constitutes one of the most effective war chests,
but it is a medium of international exchange which is
acceptable anywhere, any time, and in exchange for anything.

To be sure, if the political picture of the world
should undergo a drastic change in the future 80 that

instead of fifty or sixty independent nations there will
exist only one or two groups dominated by ruthless powers,
then international trade and finance may assume the character
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- 27 of domestic trade. There will cease to be independent
monetary systems, as there will cease to be independent

foreign policies. Balances between countries will be
settled as balances between our states are settled now --

that is wholly by transfers of deposits. Under such circumstances it may well be that gold will no longer be

needed. But under those circumstances life will be so

different, that the possible loss in the value of gold will,
I am sure, be the least of our worries.
Certain governments may boast of the day when inde-

pendent democracies will disappear, I for one, have no
fears that such boasts can be made good. I am as confident

that gold will continue to be international money as I am

that the majority of nations will succeed in maintaining
their independence. with the return of peace and of normal

economic and political relationships the barriers to the

free flow of goods, capital, and services will be gradually
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- 28 lowered; standards of living will once more resume their
upward climb, and a more equitable distribution of the

world's gold will take place.
One word more -- The swap we made and are making in

return for gold was not a bad bargain. It enabled us to
increase employment and recovery. We have expanded our

exports and encouraged our domestic industry. And not

least of all we have acquired the safest physical asset in
the world, an asset moreover which will play an essential
part in reestablishing a permanent peace.

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May 1, 1940

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Attached is a summary report of the projects
which have been worked on in the Division of Tax
Research during April 1940.

Ronge
Roy Blough,Blough

Division of Tax Research
Attachment

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Monthly report on projects in the Division of Tax Research
April 1940

1. War and excess profits taxes
An inventory of Congressional war finance proposals
during the period 1920-1940 has been completed. A

digest of these proposals is in preparation. The
questionnaire on war and excess profits taxation

prepared for transmission to foreign service officere has been completed and submitted for review

to the Office of the General Counsel and the Bureau

of Internal Revenue. Other phases of war finance
are under examination. (Mr. Ecker-R, Mr. Gordon
and Mr. Mannen)*

2. Life insurance companies
In connection with a request from the Temporary
National Economic Committee for information on

the tax treatment of life insurance companies, a

*Persons listed as working on the different projects
do not include those who acted largely or exclusively
in a consulting or reviewing capacity. In general,
the person, if any, actively in charge of the project

is listed first.

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-2study has been prepared of the treatment of life
insurance companies under the income tax, capital

stock tax and excess profits tax during the
period 1909-40. This report has been forwarded
to the Office of the General Counsel for review.
(Mr. Shere and Mr. Mills)

3. Certificate plan for a processing tax
A report has been prepared analyzing the provisions
of H. R. 9273, 76th Congress, 3rd Session, which

provides for a marketing certificate plan for agri- cultural commodities. The features of the new
plan and those of the income certificate plan proposed last year were contrasted. (Mr. Ecker-R)
4. Mutual investment companies

A report has been prepared reviewing the basis for
the tax treatment of mutual investment companies

in the light of the Securities and Exchange Commis-

sion's findings with respect to their organization
and operation. (Mr. Shere and Mr. Atlas)

5. Incentive taxation
A report analyzing the provisions of S. 3560,
76th Congress, 3rd Session, is being prepared.

This bill provides for the imposition of a tax

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-3which is reduced as the expenditure for labor
used in business 18 increased. (Mr. Shere and

Mr. Farioletti)
6. Income and estate taxes

(a) Reports on the following subjects are in process:
(1) Assets and income of corporations exempt
from the Federal income tax under section

101 together with a Congressional history
surrounding the exemption of certain types
of corporations, the economic basis for
each type of exemption and the effects of
allowing tax exemption on the operations
of such companies. (Mr. Shere and

Miss Till)
(2) The problems of special defense taxes with

particular reference to the technical
problems involved in the suggestion that
a flat percentage increase in the present
income and other taxes be imposed.
(Mr. Shere and Miss Coyle)

(3) Proposal to allow corporations with 5 or
less shareholders to be treated for tax
purposes as partnerships. (Mr. Mills)

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-4(b) Reports on the following subjects are in
various stages of preparation but have not
been actively prosecuted during the month:

(1) Distribution of tax-exempt securities
by net income brackets with particular
reference to the holdings of such securities by persons in high income brackets.
(Miss Coyle)

(2) The problem of illiquidity of assets and
possible solutions under the estate tax.
(Mr. Mills)
(3) Powers of appointment and remainders under

the estate tax. (Mr. Mills)
7. Statistics on pension plans
Statistical data to indicate roughly the cost of
pensions at various levels to the aged and the ill,
together with the rates of various types of taxes
which would be necessary to finance such pensions

are in preparation. (Mr. Shere and Mr. Farioletti)
8. Articles, addresses, etc.
(a) The following articles were published:
(1) "The Treatment of Consolidated Returns
under the Revenue Acts 1913-39* in the

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-5Treasury Bulletin for April 1940.
(Mr. Shere, Mr. Ecker-R, Mr. Zorach
and Miss Hughes)

(2) "The Evolution of the Federal Tax System"
in Law and Contemporary Problems (publica-

tion pending). (Mr. Blough)

(b) The following articles are in preparation for
possible publication in the Treasury Bulletin:
(1) An article analyzing Statistics of Income
data on dividends received by corporations.
(Mr. Shere, Miss Coyle and Mr. Zorach)

(2) An article on the number of partnership
returns classified by size of net income
and kind of business. (Miss Coyle)
(c) An address on financial statements as a basis
for Federal income tax reporting was delivered
before the Columbia Accounting Institute.
(Mr. Blough)

9. Inventory of tax proposals
A preliminary draft of an inventory of proposals
designed to produce additional revenue which have

been considered by the Treasury from time to time
has been completed and is now in the process of

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-6editing. A similar compilation of Treasury tax
proposals other than those designed to produce

revenue is in preparation. (Mr. Shere, Mr. Gordon
and Mr. Zorach)

10. Tax chronology, 1919-27

A chronology of Federal tax rates covering the
period 1919-27 18 in preparation. (Charts covering the years 1913-18 and 1928-39 were previously
prepared.) (Mr. Atlas and Miss Hughes)

11. Reviews of publications, etc.
The following publications have been reviewed:

(a) Page proof of the preliminary report, "Statistics of Income for 1938 compiled from individual
income tax returns and taxable fiduciary income

tax returns filed in period January through
June 1939.

(b) Page proof of article for the Encyclopedia
Britannica, "United States of America:
National Finance."
(Mr. Shere and Miss Hughes)
12. TNEC

Pursuant to our agreement with Mr. Willard Thorp
of the Department of Commerce, the Division re-

viewed and discussed orally in conference their

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-7report on business taxation prepared by
Mr. C. J. Hynning in connection with the TNEC

study of corporation taxes. (Mr. Blough,
Mr. Shere and Mr. Atlas)
13. Income Tax Study (WPA)

The study of income tax returns carried on at
Philadelphia with WPA funds since October 1938

is continuing. A revised draft of the text for
Section 1 of the study was prepared. (Mr. Shere
and Miss Coyle)

14. Statistics
In connection with the supervision of the technical work of the Bureau of Internal Revenue several

proposals for statistical tabulations from income
and estate tax returns have been formulated and
examined. (Mr. Blough, Mr. Shere and Mr. Campbell)
15. Correspondence

The Division handled correspondence pertaining to

tax problems. (Staff members)

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Deer office
5/2/40
4:30 pm
I am particularly pleased to be able to talk
to you today because I am in such hearty accord with

the purpose of this series of meetings, which I
understand to be education for democracy. I applaud

the initiative and the public spirit of the leaders
of the Women's Division of the Democratic National
Committee in making this notable convention possible.

In considering your invitation it seemed to me

that I might contribute most to stimulation of your
thought on the problems of democratic government by

talking to you about the money of the United States,

and particularly about gold. I have chosen this

subject because I think it is one in which all of you
are interested; and it is one about which you may be

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-2asked a good many questions as the year proceeds.

One thing you will hardly need to be told
about our monetary system; that is, that the American

dollar is the soundest unit of currency in the world.
Its value is unquestioned here at home and it is not

questioned anywhere else in the world. It is a solid
rock of strength and stability amid all the monetary
confusion created by aggression and war. It is more
than a domestic currency; it has become in the last
few years more and more an international currency.
People throughout the world who are driven by

disaster and fear to hoard currency prefer to hoard
the currency of the United States, when they can get it.

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-3We have tried through many means to facilitate

stability in the currencies of the world. An

outstanding example, which we initiated

I'm

is the Tripartite Accord of September, 1936. In all,
six of the leading democracies of the world have

subscribed to the principles of that Accord.
Unfortunately, the progress we were making in the

field of international finance and trade has been
interrupted by the cataclysm in Europe.
S

One of the most striking development of
these recent years has been the universal confidence

in the American dollar as one of the very few certain
things in a highly uncertain world.

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-4Some of our citizens who admit the strength

of the dollar and the world's confidence in our
currency now suggest that confidence in our dollar
has resulted in this country receiving too much
gold.

During the last 6 years we have acquired

about $10 billions of gold from abroad.
Why has so much gold come to the United States?

In the first place, we have exported many

billions of dollars' worth of goods and services in
excess of the amounts we have imported. Secondly,

large amounts of foreign funds have come to this

country to be placed and kept on deposit with our
banks.

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-5Foreigners have sent their funds here for safekeeping

because of the peace, stability, and security which
this country enjoys.
Thirdly, foreigners have made large investments
in American industries because they regard American

business as a safe and profitable investment.
Finally, Americans have been withdrawing their funds

from abroad and liquidating their foreign investments
in large sums because they prefer the dollar to any
other currency.

It is for these reasons that we have had so
large and continuing a favorable balance of payments;

it is for these reasons that gold has come and is
continuing to come to the United States.

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-6There 10 some confusion about the inflo

of gold which arises from a misunderstanding of the

nature of gold transactions. The United States does
not go out into the world markets to buy gold.
Treasuries do not buy gold as a government buys

army blankets, office furniture or armaments. Gold
is sent to this country to buy the dollars necessary
to liquidate a balance OI payment& 9 Gold moves

from

country to country not as a commodity but as a means
of payment, the one final medium through which

international settlements are made.
The continued acceptance of the gold that
comes here is the only sound course of action open

to us. There are, it is true, other courses of
action theoretically possible, but they would all
have disastrous consequences.

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-7Take, for example, the proposal so frequently

made to us that we stop buying gold. It has the

charm of simplicity. All that we have to do is to
prohibit gold imports by a Treasury order. But let
abroad
you
me tell what I think would happen. Dollars would

and
anion
Eirth
instantly become very scarce abroad and the foreigner
1

who
wished
buy American
goodsexpenses find the cost they
waved
find to
it much
more would

and

prohibitive.

forexample

the British pound, the Canadian dollar,

the French franc, the Dutch guilder would at once

sharply depreciate. A chain of forces would be set
in motion which would disrupt our trade, seriously
discourage what remains of world commerce and remove

from world finance the strongest element of

stability.

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The cessation of gold purchases would have

immediate effects of great importance this

the following three important effects. Firstly, the

sale of American products in foreign markets would be

made much more difficult. This would not apply so
much to war materials, which foreign countries want

so urgently, but it would hit hard our export of
hundreds of agricultural and industrial commodities

not vital to the conduct of the war. We would lose
heavily in the very markets we will badly need when
the war is over.
Secondly, there would result an immediate flood
of imports of cheapened foreign goods, which would deal

an even more serious blow to labor industry and

Cut
D
agriculture in America. ( The very items which compete
products

with our domestic manufactures would deluge our home

stex
markets. Issee Meat and dairy products, textiles and

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hundreds of other articles would at once be subjected

to greatly intensified competition from abroad.
Thirdly, Americans who have investments abroad

would find that they had suffered substantial dollar
losses overnight just as foreigners with investments
here would find that they had windfall
overnight.

debitor gains

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-9Americans who have investments abroad would find

that they had suffered substantial losses overnight,
just as foreigners with investments here would find
that they had windfall gains overnight.
So you see this simple remedy is, in effect,
a proposal that would completely disrupt our foreign
exchanges and our trade. and greatly increase

unemployment in this country. And so with the other
naive proposals which some well-meaning citizens

suggest as a remedy for our accumulating gold stocks.

Shall we follow their advice and cut the price
for gold? A moderate cut would be ineffective, and

a cut in price sufficiently large to have a significant
effect on the gold inflow would introduce the same

conditions as would follow prohibition of gold imports.

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This also would - 10 -

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our

It would mean
a serious decrease in trade and a big
A
1

increase in unemployment.

against of

Shall we, as some have suggested, discriminate
certain countries in the our purchases

gold? Such a policy would not even have the virtue

of effectiveness. The active cooperation of
practically the entire world would be required to
prevent any one country's gold from entering the
world's markets and reaching the United States.
Obviously this would be impossible even in normal

times, let alone at a time such as this. Besides,

the value of gold is proportionate to its unqualified
use and acceptance as an international medium of

exchange. To limit its acceptance would mean to
reduce its usefulness.

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- 11 There is yet another alternative which has
always been open to us. Instead of taking gold we
again
could have granted credit. Americans could, have
accumulated huge unsettled claims abroad. We have

had experience with that system -- extensive experience

-- in the decade that ended with the economic collapse

of 1929. It is doubtful that Americans would want to

that

repeat the ^ experience.

For the excess of goods we shipped and for

the dollar credits we granted we have taken gold in

the last six years instead of promissory notes. The
phrase "good as gold" still has real meaning in the

world. I prefer the gold to pieces of foreign paper.

I think most Americans do. agree with me.

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- 12 Our gold policy is carefully adjusted to the
realities of a complex world situation. There have
that
been many glib suggestions for changing it.
Examination of each of them has revealed, as in the

examples I have mentioned, that in the effort to
remedy fancied evils they would bring on real disaster.
Of course, should basic conditions alter,
should we be confronted with new and unforeseen

economic and political developments, the government

will necessarily take such action as will best protect

American interests. It is to be prepared for such
contingencies that the powers with respect to gold
operations have been kept flexible.

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The Treasury is constantly observing, analyzing and

studying the course of events in their relation to
monetary problems in which this country is interested.
But nothing has yet appeared which would warrant any

change in our gold policy.
There is only one sound way in which we can

work to reduce the inflow of gold and to promote the

return of at least a part of the wealth it represents
to useful service in the lands from which it came.
That way is to do everything in our power to contribute
to the return of peace to the world and to encourage
reconstruction and the restoration of normal t rade.
With the restoration of enduring peace and economic

stability abroad the gold problem will solve itself.

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Our great export surplus will drop, not because we
shall sell less abroad but because we shall buy more.

Foreign capital will be gradually repatriated -- not
because we drive it out but because it is attracted
home by the reemergence of security abroad. Our

investors will once again invest their funds abroad -not because of the scarcity of opportunity at home
but because of greatly enhanced opportunities for
sound and profitable investments in other lands.

And finally our tourists will spend hundreds of millions
more in foreign countries.
These are the developments which will

automatically and gradually direct the flow of gold
away from the United States. These are the developments upon which we must concentrate.

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- 15 We must concentrate on the promotion of further
recovery here and peace and security abroad not in

order to correct the gold situation, but because
prosperity, peace and security are in themselves the
supreme ends of governmental policy. That their

attainment will also solve the world's gold problem
is only a by-product, but an important one.

I should like finally to turn to the question
of the continued usefulness of the gold we have and

the gold we are going to get. This is a matter that
is troubling some people.

Let me reassure you once and for all. As long
as there are independent nations, and as long as there

is international trade in goods and services, so long

will it be necessary to settle international balances.

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AM

Gold is the international medium of exchange par

excellence. Its acceptability is universal; its
utility as international money survives changes in
economic systems. It is used and needed just as much

by the freest democracies as by the most rigid
dictatorships -- as much by capitalist economies as

by socialist economies. It is the refined instrument
of international exchange of goods and services, as
well as an essential ingredient in the more complex

international financial transactions -- an instrument
that has functioned without challenge for hundreds of

years. Every foreign country wishes it had more of it;

no foreign country likes to lose any of it; all

afford

countries accumulate it as soon as they can afford to
do so.

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And the fact that some countries find it possible
to conduct their international trade without gold
does not mean that they prefer to do so any more
than people reading by candlelight do so because they

prefer candles to electricity.
Gold does not lose its value because some

countries are forced to resort to clearing arrangements,

barter, import controls, and other substitutes. All
these substitutes are admittedly worse alternatives.
They are methods of conducting trade and finance which

will only be adopted when a country does not possess
adequate gold holdings. Governments resort wholly to

these substitute methods for keeping a country's
balance of payments in equilibrium only during times

of great and prolonged stress and instability,

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and only when for one reason or another they have

been unable to prevent the loss of most of their

gold holdings. All countries would like to have more
gold, and the countries which have the least are, you

will find, countries which are striving most to add
to their gold holdings. They do SO because they know
that an adequate supply of gold promotes economic

strength and furthers financial stability.

To be sure, if the political picture of the
world should undergo a drastic change in the future,

so that instead of fifty or sixty independent nations
there should exist only one or two groups dominated

by ruthless powers, then international trade and
finance may assume the character of domestic trade.

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- 19 There would cease to be independent monetary systems,

as there would cease to be independent foreign

policies. Balances between countries would be settled
as balances between our states are settled now --

that is, wholly by transfers of deposits. Under such
circumstances it might well be that gold would no
longer be needed. But under those circumstances life

would be so different that the possible loss in the
value of gold would, I am sure, be the least of our
troubles.

Certain governments may boast of the day when

independent democracies will disappear. I for one,
have no fears that such boasts can be made good.

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I am as confident that gold will continue to be
the medium of
used as, international monou as I am that the majority
of nations will succeed in maintaining their independence.
With the return of peace and of normal economic and

political relationships

the
present
barriers to the free flow

of goods, capital, and services will be gradually

Stp my mill nice and more a more resume
lowered
distribution of world gold will take place.
IV

d gold mee

exchange

the role has
more -- swap we made and are

Darly play One word The

making

making in return for gold is a good bargain
It
forms

result

the enabled us to increase employment and recovery. It
has made possible the utilization of labor, capital,
machinery and resources that would otherwise have been
idle. We have expanded our exports and encouraged

our domestic industry. And, moreover, we have at the
same time acquired the safest physical asset in the world.

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are
there may be some sincere people

who have been disturbed by stories that this country
had a monetary policy that threatens to cause loss to

the nation. If you meet such people I hope you will
reassure them. You may tell them that the greatest

and richest country of the world has the best and
soundest monetary system and that there is no reason

to fear that it will not remain sound.
We can feel entirely comfortable in the
possession of a supply of gold with which we can meet
future demands on our monetary system without any shock

to our economy. We can be prepared also to play the

part we ought to play in the reconstruction of the
must follow war's

the

world that , senseless destruction of war.
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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

May 2, 1940

My dear Mr. Secretary:

There are enclosed, for your information,

copies of notes of April 26, 1940, from the British
and French Ambassadors, giving assurance on behalf

of their respective Governments that those Governments

will be glad to keep this Government currently inform-

ed on all matters which may be of interest to this
Government concerning the performance of American-

made aircraft under combat conditions.
Sincerely yours,

(s) S. Welles
Enclosures:

Acting Secretary

Fr. British Ambassador April 26, 1940
Fr. French Ambassador April 25, 1940 /trenslation
The honorable

Farry F. Woodring,
Secretary of War.

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BRITISH ERBASSY,

No. 161

WASHINGTON, D. C.

April 26, 1940.

Sir,

I understand that onc of the conditions set forth by the War
Department in regard to the export of American manufactured air-

craft, was the inclusion in each contract of a clause to the cffcct
that the purchaser should supply accredited agents of the United

Statcs Government with complete information relative to the suitability of the design, equipment and combat performance, of the aircraft which arc released for export.
I have the honour to inform you that His Majcsty's Government

in the United Kingdom is anxious to coopcrate fully with the United

States War Department with a view to giving the latter all the information it may wish as to the performance under combat conditions of

all American purchased aircraft. However, in view of all the military
aspects bearing on the information desired by the United States War

Department, it is felt that it would probably be more proper to
avoid making the question of information a part of the contractual

obligation with the manufecturers. I have therefore been instructed
by His Majcsty's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs
to suggest to you that in licu of the inclusion of any such contract
provision, you accept the assurances of my Government that they will
be glad to keep the United States Government's accredited agents

currently advised on all matters which may be of interest to the
United States Government as regards performance of American madc
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aircraft under combat conditions. Thcy will also be glad to answer
any questions on the same subject matter which the United States'
accredited agents may wish to put forward.

I should be grateful if you would kindly forward this communication urgently to the compctent authoritics.
I have the honour to bc,

with the highest consideration,
Sir,

Your most obcdicnt,

hurble servant,

LOTHIAN

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Washington, April 26,1940

EMBASSY OF TPF FRENCH REPUBLIC

IN THE UNITED STATES

Mr. Scerctary of State,

I understand that one of the conditions sot forth by the War Dcpartment in rcgard to the export of American manufactured aircraft, was the

inclusion in each contract of a clausc to the offect that the purchaser
should supply accredited agents of the United States Government with

complctc information relative to the suitability of the design, cquiprent and combat performance, of the aircraft which arc released for
export.

I have the honor to inform Your Excellency that the French Government is rnxious to cooperate fully with the United States War Department

with a view to giving the latter all the information it may wish as to
the performance under conbat conditions of all American purchased air-

craft. Howcver, by reason of the many espects of the information roquested by the United Statcs War Department, it is felt that it would
probably be more proper to avoid making the question of information a

part of the contractual obligation with the manufacturers.
I have therefore been instructed by my Government to suggest to

Your Excellency that in licu of the inclusion of any such contract
provision, I request you to accept the assurances of my Government that
the agents accredited by the American Government will bc kcpt informed

on all matters which may be of interest to the United States Government
CS regards performence of American made aircraft under conbat conditions.
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The French authoritics will bc happy to answor any questions on the
sanc subject matter which the accredited agents may wish to put forward.

I should be grateful to Your Excellency if you would kindly
forward this CO munication urgently to the conpetent authoritics.
Accept, Mr. Scerctary of StAte, the assurances of ny high
consideration.
C. do SAINT-QUENTIN

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5-2-40

MORGENTHAU TO MAKE SPEECH TOMORROW ON GOLD
QUESTION

11.10

WASHN - SECY MORGENTHAU ANNOUNCED TODAY HE

WOULD ADDRESS THE WOMEN-S DIVISION OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TOMORROW ON THE
SUBJECT OF GOLD

MR MORGENTHAU DECLINED TO DISCLOSE WHAT ELEMENTS OF THE GOLD PROBLEM AND THE GOVERNMENT-S

POLICY TOWARD IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN HIS
ADDRESS

IT IS THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEECH MR MORGENTHAU
HAS MADE IN NEARLY TWO YEARS AND IT IS PRESUMED
THAT HIS DISCUSSION WILL BE COMPREHENSIVE

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FROM CHICAGO

11:45 a.m., May 2, 1940 (jhw)

SECRETARY MORGENTHAUS TELETYPE DELIVERED PERSONALLY TO DR VINER AT
TEN AM TODAY AND DR VINER REQUESTS FOLLOWING MESSAGE BE DELIVERED TO
SECRETARY MORGENTHAU

DRAFT SPEECH EXCELLENT IN TONE AND CONTENT AND TAKES CARE OF ALL

ESSENTIAL POINTS. I WOULD BE INCLINED TO EMPHASIZE A LITTLE MORE
THE POINT THAT AMERICAN POLICY WILL OF COURSE BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
DRASTIC CHANGES OCCUR IN WORLD ORGANIZATION AND THAT THE TREASURY

IS KEEPING CLOSE AND CONSTANT WATCH ON THE SITUATION, BUT THAT IT
IS ESSENTIAL THAT THERE BE NO SUBSTANTIAL HANGE IN PRESENT POLICY
UNTIL THE COURSE OF WORLD AFFAIRS CAN BE MORE CLEARLY FORESEEN THAN

IS NOW POSSIBLE. THE ONLY OTHER CHANGES I SUGGEST ARE TO SUBSTITUTE FOR QUOTE THE SIX LEADING DEMOCRACIES QUOTE SIX OF THE
LEADING DEMOCRACIES TO PROTECT THE SUSCEPTIBILITIES OF SWEDEN,

CANADA, ETC., AND IN PARAGRAPH BEGINNING QUOTE ONE WORD MORE
QUOTE TO BRING OUT THE FACT THAT THE PERIOD WHEN WE WERE EXCHANGING
GOODS HEAVILY FOR GOLD HAS BEEN A PERIOD OF UNEMPLOYMENT OF RESOURCES
so THAT EVEN IF THE GOLD SHOULD BECOME UTTERLY WORTHLESS IT WOULD

STILL BE ARGUABLE THAT WE HAD LOST LITTLE OR NOTHING AND EVEN HAD
SIGNED JACOB VINER
GAINED ON THE DEAL
CALLAGHAN END
OK WILSON END

W

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RE ADDRESS BEFORE WOMENS' DIVISION
NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE

Present:

May 2, 1940
11:15 a.m.

Mr. Bernstein

Mr. White
Mr. Gaston

Mrs Shanahan

Mrs Klotz

Mr. Schwarz
H.M.Jr:

The President loved it.

White:

What, in particular, did he like?

H.M.Jr:

He liked the whole thing. When I came in he
said, *Did you get my message? I told you
three times you had your nerve with you," and

I said, "Yes, but I think you are going to like
it." "Well, i he said, "I don't know, it is
kind of ticklish."
So he started to read the thing and the one
passage which particularly pleased him was the

candlelight one, the reference to candlelight

and electricity. I don't know who did it, but
he liked it.
Caston:

H.M.Jr:

That is Harry's.
Now, he only made a couple of suggestions. He

was very much interested and the same thing
had happened to him that had happened to me.
Mrs. Roosevelt had told him about the question
that had been asked on gold and would he answer

it, which he proceeded to do, and he said, "I

hope, Henry, you told her the same answer that

I did," so I said, "Well, it is practically
the same."

The one thing he has in mind, and I will show

you where he wants to get it in, is that the
United States Government itself doesn't buy
any gold. It is the business men and the importers, and so forth, and we actually don't

buy any gold. That is true, isn't it?

Gaston:

We give dollars for gold.

H.M.Jr:

Well, do we?

White:

The Treasury definitely does buy gold, but we

can so word it that --

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2H.M.Jr:

But I mean, we are not buying it for our use.

White:

We could not go out in the market and buy gold
the way
that
sort.we buy Army blankets or something of

H.M.Jr:

Well now, Mrs. Shanahan, this is what he wanted

to get in there. He said, What do we mean by
the soundest currency in the world?" This is

very rough, but I think I can get it over. We
don't have to worry about his purchasing power
because it is used first - we use money to in-

vest in stocks and bonds and mortgages on houses

and our money for that purpose has had practically
a uniform purchasing power. Also, on the outgo,
where we pay off a mortgage or rent on a house
or have payments to make on various things, it
says the medium of exchange has approximately
the same value in carrying out an obligation.
White:

Oh, I see what he means.

Gaston:

Stability of purchasing power. In the last six
years it has had remarkable stability.
And third, in foreign trade, reasonably stable

H.M.Jr:

in terms of goods for other nations that we
have to buy or sell to them. Now, he wanted to
get that in there in the beginning when we talk
in terms of American dollars being the soundest
unit of currency in the world. Then he wants
me to say, "What do people mean when they talk
about a sound currency?" Do you get the idea?

Gaston:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Do you think it belongs in here?

Gaston:

I think it

White:

We will see what we can do with it. I know what
he would like to say, but it is one of those
words that sounds nice until you examine it, but
we can do something with it.

H.M.Jr:

A couple of things. They don't have to fear it

is going to decline greatly in value, that it

is going to become worthless, that its purchasing

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-3power has been remarkably stable both here and

abroad over the last six years. Well, when you
do it, do it on a separate page, because I am

pretty well set in my mind on this thing, you
see.

Mrs. Klotz, make a note that this talk of mine
is to be sent tonight to our Attaches in London,
Paris and Berlin, but not to be sent until midnight. It is to be sent by the State Department.
on the top of page five, I wrote down that we
were to make it plain that the Government itself

does not buy. It is individuals in payment of

miscellaneous items and not the Government.
White:

H.M.Jr:
Gaston:

H.M.Jr:

Yes, that was in the earlier draft. We had a

paragraph that we can re-adapt to this.
He kept saying, "This is good." I have seldom
seen him so tickled.

Well, that is fine. I thought when we left here
last night it was terrible, then I read it over
this morning and I thought it was swell.
I read it this morning at 6:30. I thought it
was swell. Let me just read this thing out
loud and see how it sounds.

Incidentally, as soon as this thing is finished,

White:

all three of you go home.
We will leave the Treasury. Whether we go home
is another question.

Gaston:

How do you like ball games, Harry?

H.M.Jr:

"I have taken the liberty of departing from the

topic --" Now, I don't want to start off with

an apology.
Gaston:

I think that had better be changed.

H.M.Jr:

I told the boys this story. See how you like it.
I told the newspaper men this story. Did I tell

you my fish story?

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Klotz:

No, you didn't.

H.M.Jr:

Well, they asked me why we talked on gold in-

stead of the budget and I said, "Well, I will
tell you a story. This is what I thought I
would say to the ladies. I don't want it

written out. I will just do it. You will

notice I am down for the debt. You may wonder
why I am not talking about the budget instead

of the gold." I said, "Let me tell you a little
story. I attended a dinner for the visiting

nurses the other evening and Dr. Lyons, who is

president of the medio cal society --" Incidentally,
he is the man who operated on me, terribly nice
and very good looking.

Klotz:

Oh, really?

H.M.Jr:

Yes, just in passing.

White:

When are you going to get operated on?

Klotz:

I need an operation.

H.M.Jr:

One of the visiting nurses called on a poor home
and when she visited this woman she said, "Before

White:

I can do anything for you, you will have to take
a hot bath. Have you got a bathroom?" "Oh, yes."
"Where is it?" "Down the hall." "Have you got
a bath?" "Yes."
It doesn't have coal in it.
It doesn't sound like the kind of story you should

H.M.Jr:

So the nurse went down and looked at the bathtub

tell there.

and it was full of water and a big fish was swimming in it and she said, "Well, you have got to
get rid of that fish," " and the woman said, "Well,

we can't get rid of that fish until we eat it."

Klotz:

That didn't go over.

H.M.Jr:

It didn't go over? Well, I can't give a talk on
the budget until I can digest it.

White:

Too subtle.

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-4H.M.Jr:

All right, we will not give it.

White:

But
this.I think a good story is the way to change

Bernstein:

I like the distinction you make.
Harry, you and I know lots of good stories, but
I don't think - we're not talking before a men's

H.M.Jr:

smoker.

White:

No, but I think some light tone to introduce that
would be good.

H.M.Jr:

All right. I don't want to start with an apology
in the first paragraph.
"One thing you will hardly need to be told about
our monetary system; that is, that the American
dollar is the soundest unit of currency in the
world. Its value is unquestioned here at home
and it is not questioned anywhere else in the
world."

Then you are going to consider whether you want

to put in the President's definition of what is

a sound currency. Now, we are getting into the
domestic field. I don't know whether you want

that or not. The fact that he asked doesn't

mean that I have to.

H.M.Jr:

I think we may be able to work out a couple of
that point.
Pa Watson told me yesterday I couldn't give this

Bernstein:

In 1933 when the President made a few speeches

White:

sentences related to gold which will fit in at

speech. I am just - my point in saying that is
that I don't have to do it.

on gold, particularly in October and possibly
also in his message to the World Conference, he
treated this idea of stability of purchasing
power from generation to generation and you may
want to tie it in with what the President has
said.

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-5White:

If you make it from generation to generation,

then it becomes economically sound.

H.M.Jr:

If I could quote from the President, as the
President said --

White:

We will comb his speeches and pick out a couple

Gaston:

am pretty sure we ought to be able to find some.
For six years it has had that steadiness of purchasing power that he talked about.
Well, you have got the idea, gentlemen.

H.M.Jr:

of sentences related to gold at that point. I

"It is a solid rock of strength and stability

amid all the monetary confusion created by
aggression and war. It is more than a domestic
currency; it has become in the last few years
more and more an international currency. People
throughout the world who are driven by disaster
and fear to hoard currency prefer to hoard the

currency of the United States, if they can get

it."

Instead of "if," I should think we should say
"when."

H.M.Jr:

I think instead of "prefer to hoard," "prefer to
hold." "Prefer to deal in."
No, I like "hoard."

White:

When they can get it.

H.M.Jr:

"We have tried through many means to facilitate

White:

White:

stability of the currencies of the world. An
outstanding example of an effort which we initiated --" Do you think it is immodest to say,
"Which I initiated"?
No. Say the Treasury initiated it.

H.M.Jr:

Then leave it "we."

Klotz:

You get the feeling of "we" through the speech.

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-6H.M.Jr:

"In all, the six leading democracies of the
world have subscribed to the principles of
that Accord. Further progress in the field
of international finance and trade must be
deferred by reason of the cataclysm in

Europe."
White:

I think it has to be something else besides
"we," because that is too general. It seems

to include the world. It either has to be

Gaston:

the United States or this Treasury Department
or this Administration or some thing.
I don't think you have spoken about "we" except as the United States anywhere through the
speech.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I didn't necessarily initiate it, I mean,
thinking in terms of - we sort of grew up with
it. I wouldn't stress it. I mean, it sort of
grew up, all three Treasuries were sort of in-

volved.

Bernstein: What I had in mind, if this is a speech to a

group of politically-minded women who are going

to go back and preach the gospel, I should think
they would be interested in being able to say
that either the Treasury or the Administration

H.M.Jr:

Klotz:
H.M.Jr:

Klotz:
H.M.Jr:

had initiated it.
Why not just say - well, it is this Administration.

Well, it isn't, it is you.
I did initiate it?
You did initiate it.
All right. Put it down and argue about it.
"One of the most striking developments of these
recent years has been the universal confidence
in the American dollar as one of the very few

certain things in a highly uncertain world.

"Some of our citizens who admit the strength

of the dollar and the world's confidence in our
currency, now suggest that confidence in our

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-7 dollar has resulted in this country receiving
too much gold.

"During the last 6 years we have acquired about

$10 billions of foreign gold.'

"Foreign gold" or "gold from abroad"?
White:

"Gold from abroad."

H.M.Jr:

I throw these things at you. I am not going
to argue, but if I feel strongly on anything,

I will just say what I want. If you don't
like it, don't use it.

"Why has so much gold come to the United States?"

The reason I say "foreign gold," " there might be

some gold sent abroad and come back here again.

White:

H.M.Jr:

I think it is best not to carry private gold as

foreign or domestic.
I throw these things out and you can do anything

you like with them. It might perfectly well
be our own gold coming back again.

"Why has so much gold come to the United States?

"In the first place, we have exported many billions
of dollars worth of goods and services in excess

of the amounts we have imported.

"Secondly, large volumes of foreign funds have
come to this country to be placed and kept on
deposit with our banks. Foreigners have sent
their funds here for safekeeping because of the

peace, stability, and security which this country
enjoys.

"Thirdly, foreigners have made large investments
in American industries because foreigners think
American business is a safe and profitable investment. Finally, Americans have been withdrawing their funds from abroad and liquidating
their foreign investments in large sums because

they prefer the dollar to any other currency in
the world.

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-8"It is for these reasons that we have had so
large and continuing a favorable balance of
payments; it is for these reasons that gold
has come and is continuing to come to the

United States.

"The continued acceptance of the gold that
comes here is the only sound course of action

open to us. "
Klotz:

Did you see this?

H.M.Jr:

I told them about that, thanks.
"There are other conceivable courses of action
but they would all have disastrous consequences.
"Take, for example, the proposal so frequently

made to us that we stop buying gold. It has
the charm of simplicity. All that we have to
do is to prohibit gold imports by a Treasury

order. But let me tell what I think would
happen. The immediate reaction would be a
sharp increase in the value of the dollar in

White:

terms of foreign currencies. "
That is an awfully technical sentence, Harry.
What I thought you might put there is, "As for
example," and give a little example.
We might try it. We would have to select the
currency and we were reluctant to do that.

H.M.Jr:

Use the pound.

White:

Well, I will see. These two sentences are

Gaston:

That could be stated similarly in another way.

H.M.Jr:

As I say, after all, it is very highly technical

difficult.

language. I was thinking of some simple example.
"Foreign currencies, in other words, would at
once sharply depreciate and a chain of forces
would be set in motion which would disrupt
our trade.

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-9"First of all American products would be
much more difficult to sell in foreign markets. This would not apply so much to war
goods --airplanes, armaments, etc. --"

You don't want to say there, "or is it obvious
because they have to have these?"

White:

No, I think that should be stated. This would

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

White:

But when it comes to a - they have to have those.

Gaston:

Their necessity is so great that they would

H.M.Jr:

not apply - they have to have these.

probably pay any price they had to pay.
Something like that.

but it would hit hard our export of hundreds
of agricultural and industrial commodities not
vital to the conduct of war. We would lose
heavily in the very markets we will badly need
when the war is over. Increased imports of
"

foreign goods, at the same time, would react
even more drastically on our domestic economy.
It would be just those very items which compete
with our domestic manufactures that would flood
our home markets. We would not be encouraged --"
I don't understand that sentence. "We would
not be encouraged to boy much more rubber or

tin." I don't understand what that means.

White:

The thought I had in mind there is that the
goods that would flood our markets would be
those that would compete with us. It wouldn't
be tin and rubber that we don't produce.

H.M.Jr:

That isn't clear, Harry.
No, it is not clear. We paragraphed that and

White:

put an additional sentence on that. "We would
tin. These are the commodities that we do not

not be encouraged to buy much more rubber or
produce at home."

We will have to fix that up.

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- 10 H.M.Jr:

Incidentally, --

White:

The next sentence makes it clear.

H.M.Jr:

White:

Incidentally, one thing, in talking about the

reasons the gold came here, the President used
the subject which you used and dropped out, that
one of the reasons why so much gold comes here

is due to our high tariffs.
Well, that is implicit in trade. We can say,
"One of the reasons for our large excess of

exports __"
H.M.Jr:

"Excess --"

White:

"One of the reasons why we are --"

H.M.Jr:

"We import relative --"
that we are not importing more --"
".... more --"

White:

H.M.Jr:
White:

"

that we are not importing more and therefore
having such an excess of exports, is the high

tariff schedule that we will name the Tariff Act

of 1930."
H.M.Jr:

He mentioned it and I am throwing it at you.

White:

It would have to go in earlier.

Gaston:

It is a vital point in the picture.

H.M.Jr:

Yes, and he put his hand on it that we don't

White:

It isn't too sound, because our exports began
increasing chiefly last year and this year and
the tariff has been lowered steadily since 1934.

H.M.Jr:

Harry, I would be the last one to have you put
in something that isn't sound.
Well, we will get something.

White:

mention it.

t10
- 11 H.M.Jr:

Touche! But you agree that sentence is not water-

proof?

White:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

The rubber and tin sentence is not waterproof?

White:

I see.

Klotz:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you. Harry looks a little tired this morning

or my jokes are tired.

"But meat and dairy products, textiles, and hundreds
of other manufactures would at once be subjected
to greatly intensified competition from abroad.
Furthermore, Americans who have investments abroad

would find that they had suffered substantial
losses overnight, just as foreigners with investments here would find that they had windfall gains
overnight.

"So you see this simple remedy is, in effect, a
proposal that would completely disrupt our foreign
exchanges and our trade and greatly increase unemployment in this country. And so with the
other naive proposals which some well-meaning
citizens suggest as a remedy for our accumulating
gold stocks.

"Shall we follow their advice and cut the price
for gold? A moderate cut would be ineffective,
and a cut sufficiently large to reduce our annual
gold inflow by a billion or two __"

I don't like that "billion or two." It is a

little flip.
White:

We have to make it a large amount.

H.M.Jr:

Then say, "by several billions." I mean, kind
of bandying around.

White:

They only have three.

Gaston:

I wouldn't put any figure in at all.

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- 12 White:

You have to put a large amount there.

H.M.Jr:

Don't do it the way it is. It is a little
bit flip. "A billion or two, what is that,

as Secretary of the Treasury?"
White:

H.M.Jr:

I see.
"

would introduce the same conditions as

would follow on a prohibition of gold imports.

It would mean a serious decrease in trade and
a big increase in unemployment.
"Shall we discriminate against certain countries
in the purchases of our gold? Such a policy

would not even have the virtue of effectiveness. The active cooperation of practically
the whole world would be required to prevent
any one country's gold from circulating. Obviously this would be impossible under any circumstances, let alone at a time such as this.

Besides, the value of gold depends upon its
unqualified use and acceptance as an international
medium of exchange. To limit its acceptance
would mean to reduce its usefulness.

"There is yet another alternative which has
always been open to us. Instead of taking
gold we could have granted credit. Americans

could have accumulated huge unsettled claims
abroad. We have had experience with that
system -- extensive experience -- in the decade
that ended with the economic collapse of 1929.

It is doubtful that Americans would want to

repeat the experience.

"For the excess of goods we shipped and for
the dollar credits we granted we have taken

gold in the last six years instead of promissory notes. The phrase 'good as gold' still
has real meaning in the world. I prefer the

gold to pieces of foreign paper. I think

most Americans do.

"Our gold policy is carefully adjusted to
the realities of a complex world situation.

There have been many glib suggestions for

changing it. Examination of each of them

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- 13 has revealed, as in the examples I have men-

tioned, that in the effort to remedy fancied
evils they would bring on real disaster.
"of course, should basic conditions alter,

should we be confronted with new and unforeseen economic and political developments, the
government will necessarily take such action

as will best protect American interests. It

is to be prepared for such contingencies that
the powers with respect to gold operations
have been kept flexible. But nothing has

appeared to date which would warrant any change

in our gold policy.

"There is only one sound way in which we can

and economic stability abroad the gold problem

will solve itself. Our great export surplus
will drop, not because we shall sell less

abroad but because we shall buy more. Foreign

capital will be gradually repatriated - not

because we drive it out but because it is
attracted home by the reemergence of security
abroad. Our investors will once again invest
their funds abroad -- not because of the
scarcity of opportunity at home but because
of greatly enhanced opportunities for sound
and profitable investments in other lands.

And finally our tourists will spend hundreds
of millions more in foreign countries.
"These are the developments which will auto-

matically and gradually direct the flow of

gold away from the-United States. These are
the developments upon which we must concentrate. We must concentrate on the promotion
of further recovery here and peace and security

abroad not in order to correct the gold situation, but because prosperity, peace and

1

work to reduce the inflow of gold and to promote the return of at least & part of the
wealth it represents to useful service in the
lands from which it came. That way is to do
everything in our power to contribute to the
return of peace to the world and to encourage
reconstruction and the restoration of normal
trade. With the restoration of enduring peace

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- 14 security are in themselves the supreme ends

of policy. "

Now, what do you mean by that?
White:

They are the highest goal of any social activity.

H.M.Jr:

Or policy?

White:

It says, "supreme ends of policy." We could

H.M.Jr:

No, I like "policy," but I just think - have it

say, "supreme ends of government." "

White:

"policy" or "the government's policy."
No, it has to be of policy in general.

H.M.Jr:

All right, leave it.

Gaston:

Would you want "higher" instead of "supreme"?

White:

I think "supreme" is the strongest word, and

after all, it is peace and prosperity.

H.M.Jr:

No, it is all right.

White:

That is what we are chasing there.

H.M.Jr:

It is all right.
"That their attainment will also solve the world's

gold problem is only a by-product, but an important

one.

"I should like finally to turn to the question

of the continued usefulness of the gold we have
and the gold we are going to get. The matter
seems to be troubling some people."
White:

Does that sound a little flip?

H.M.Jr:

Yes. "The matter is troubling some people."
"Let me reassure you once and for all. As long
as there are independent nations, and as long
as there is international trade in goods and

services, so long will it be necessary to settle

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international balances. Gold is the inter-

national medium of exchange par excellence.

Its acceptability is universal; its utility

as international money survives changes in
economic systems. It is used and needed just
as much by the purest democracies as by
dictatorships __"
Harry, where is our pure democracy?
White:

The United States. Those women wouldn't deny

H.M.Jr:

What?

White:

Well, it is thought here that even if the

it.

democracy were pure, we would still leavethe
-

we have taken the two extremes.

"

by

purest democracies as by dictatorships.

I suppose Norway was - no. I think it is

permissible.
Gaston:

Well, you could say "plain democracies."

H.M.Jr:

It is all right. I don't like the "plain."
"....as much by capitalist economies as by
socialist economies."
"

Instead of saying "socialist" I would just as
lief say "bolshevist." What is the Russian
Government, communist or bolshevist?

Gaston:

They call it socialist.

White:

The economic antithesis of capitalism is
socialism.

Bernstein: If you want a parallel word for "purest democracy," how about "extreme dictatorship"?

H.M.Jr:

Extreme?

Gaston:

Extreme is good.

H.M.Jr:

I think that is a good point.

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- 16 White:

Does that suggest possibly that we have a
dictatorship here, but it is not extreme?
Would that have that implication?

Bernstein:

Well, I think you are giving the two extremes,
of a pure democracy and an extreme dictatorship.

White:

I think I should leave "purest" out if you
have to put "extreme" in dictatorship. Well,
we will argue it out.

Klotz:

I would.

H.M.Jr:

You would leave out the "purest"?

Klotz:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

I don't like the words "purest democracies."
There isn't such a thing.

White:

There isn't. It is an abstract.

H.M.Jr:

I would say it is used as much for the democracies as by the dictatorships and leave out

the word "purest." I don't think you are a
"purist" when you use the word "purest."

White:

H.M.Jr:

"Pure" is a strong adjective. I think it is

desirable for effect to have an adjective for
both of them,which we will try to get.
O. K.

"And the fact that some countries find it
possible to conduct their international trade

without gold does not mean that they prefer
to do so any more than people reading by
candlelight do so because they prefer candles

to electricity.

"Gold does not lose its value because some

countries are forced to resort to clearing

arrangements, barter, import controls, and

other substitutes. All these substitutes
are admittedly a worse alternative. They

are admittedly a method of conducting trade

2+6

- 17 and finance which will only be adopted when
a country does not possess adequate gold
holdings. Governments resort wholly to these
substitute methods for keeping a country's
balance of payments in equilibrium only during
times of great and prolonged stress and in-

stability, and only when for one reason or

another they have been unstable to prevent a

loss of practically all their gold holdings.

All countries would like to have more gold,
and the countries which have the least are,
you will find, countries which are striving
most to add to their gold holdings.

"To be sure, if the political picture of the
world should undergo a drastic change in the
future so that instead of fifty or sixty in-

dependent nations there should exist only one
or two groups dominated by ruthless powers,
then international trade and finance may assume

the character of domestic trade. There will

cease to be independent monetary systems, as

there will cease to be independent foreign
policies. Balances between countries will
be settled as balances between our states

are settled now -- that is wholly by trans-

fers of deposits. Under such circumstances
it might well be that gold would no longer be
needed. But under those circumstances, life

would be so different, that the possible
loss in the value of gold would, I am sure,
be the least of our worries."
There is one definite change I would like.
Instead of saying "the least of our worries,"
Gaston:

I would like to say "the least of our troubles."
Yes. It is more colloquial.

H.M.Jr:

I want one word of my own, please.
"Certain governments may boast of the day when

independent democracies will disappear, I for
one, have no fears that such boasts can be
made good. I am as confident that gold will
continue to be international money as I am

that the majority of nations will succeed in

117

- 18 maintaining their independence. With the

return of peace and of normal economic and

political relationships and barriers to the
free flow of goods, capital, and services

will be gradually lowered.

"One word more -- The swap we made and are

making in return for gold was not a bad
bargain. It enabled us to increase employ-

ment and recovery. We have expanded our
exports and encouraged our domestic industry.

And not least of all we have acquired the
safest physical asset in the world.

"I suppose there may be some sincere people

who have been disturbed by stories that this
country has a monetary policy that threatens
to cause the nation loss. If you meet such
people, I hope you will be able to reassure
them. You may tell them that the greatest
and richest country of the world has the
best and soundest monetary system and that

there is not the slightest reason to fear
that it will not remain sound.

"We can feel entirely comfortable in the
possession of a supply of gold with which
we can meet future demands on our monetary
system without any shock to our economy. We
can be prepared also to play the part we
ought to play in the reconstruction of the
world that must follow war's senseless
destruction. "

Herbert, the President is not interested in
four ships for the Coast Guard to pick up
nets.

Gaston:

H.M.Jr:

Gaston:

Buoys in place of nets. Not even two?
No: he said to inquire what you could buy

or rent from existing fishing ships. As
long as he isn't interested, let the Navy
fight for it, see. If you will have this
rewritten, he will give us the guns.
Have it rewritten to cover only the guns?

118

- 19 H.M.Jr:
Gaston:

H.M.Jr:
Gaston:

Only the guns.

The most essential thing is the listening

apparatus.

Oh no, just leave out the four ships.
of course, actually, this whole thing should
be the Navy's responsibility of making preparations.

H.M.Jr:

He has had the thing for two hours.
(Telephone conversation with Dr. Viner follows:)

118

- 20 -

H.M.Jr:

Do you want to get in touch with Mrs. McAllister?
She very much wants a preliminary draft. She
called up a half dozen times yesterday.
She gets it tonight when the press gets it.

White:

Is it necessary to tell her the change in topic?

H.M.Jr:
White:

Oh, yes. Is she back?
Didn't she call up personally?

Shanahan:

It was the head of the publicity department.

H.M.Jr:

That is up to Chick Schwarz. I will tell Chick.

White:

He can handle the thing. Now, when do you
fellows want to see me again?

White:

I don't think it will take more than a rather
brief time. Whenever it is convenient for you.

H.M.Jr:

Does 3:00 o'clock rush you too much? I will
hold 3:00 o'clock and if you are not ready at
3:00, I will see you when you are ready.

Gaston:

I think we will be ready.

H.M.Jr:

The only appointment I have this afternoon is
at 4:00. Would you rather see me after 4:00?
Let me do it this way. I am going home to

rest. When I come back I will call you and
see where you are. How is that? The only
appointment I have is at 4:00 and it will
take 15 minutes.

(Mr. Schwarz entered the conference)

This speech won't be ready until sometime after
4:00 and you have got to take care of these

women.

Schwarz:

And the distribution?

H.M. Jr:

Did I tell you we wanted half a dozen seats?

Schwarz:

I took care of that.

120
- 21 White:

You are going to take care of the distribution?

H.M.Jr:
White:

of the speech or the seats?
He said the distribution of the women.

H.M.Jr:

Have the boys been asking any more?

Schwarz:

They are eager for it.

H.M.Jr:

I wouldn't tell them until 5:00.
It is just as well to avoid the temptation for
any of the morning papers to predict it.

Schwarz:

H.M.Jr:

When does the ship change over?

Schwarz:

The wire service is about 10:00 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

I mean for tomorrow.

Schwarz:

They close down about 3:00 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Why not tell them they can't expect the thing
before 6:00 tonight? Between 5:00 and 6:00.

124

I have takes the liberty of departing from
the topic which was originally assigned to me when

I was asked to address this meeting, in order to

talk to you about the money of the United States -

and particularly about gold. I do this because I
think the subject is one in which all of you are
interested, and it is one about which you may be
asked a good many questions as the year proceeds.

One thing you will hardly need to be told
about our monetary systems that is, that the American

dollar is the soundest unit of currency is the world.
Its value is unquestioned here at home and it is not
questioned anywhere else in the world.

-2It is a selfd reak of strength and stability said
all the monetary confusion ereated by aggression
and MAF. IS is were than a domestic ouroncy) 18
has become in the last for years more and more an

international currency. People throughout the world
who are driven by disaster and fear to board currency

prefer to heard the currency of the United States,

if they can get it.
No have tried through many means to facilitate

stability is the currencies of the world. is
outstanding emaple of an effort which we initiated

is the Tripartite Accord of September, 1936. In all,
the six leading desocracies of the world have

subscribed to the principles of that Accord. Further
progress in the field of international finance and

123

trade must be deferred by reason of the estaclyss
in Burope.

One of the most striking developments of
those recent years has been the universal confidence

in the American dollar as one of the very fee certain

things in a highly uncertain world.
Some of our citizens who admit the strength

of the dollar and the world's confidence in our
currency, now suggest that confidence in our dollar
has resulted in this country receiving too much gold.
During the last 6 years we have acquired about

810 billions of foreign gold.
Why has se such gold come to the United Statest

In the first place, we have exported many

billions of dollars worth of goods and services in
excess of the amounts we have imported.

-

Secondly, large volumes of foreign funds have come

to this country to be placed and kept - deposit
with our banks. Foreigners have sent their funds
here for safekeeping because of the peace, stability,
and security which this country enjoys.
Thirdly, foreigners have made large investments
in American industries because foreigners think
American business is a safe and profitable investment.
Finally, Americans have been withdrawing their funds

from abroad and liquidating their foreign investments
in large suns because they prefer the dollar to any
other currency in the world.
It is for these reasons that we have had so
large and continuing a favorable balance of payments

125
- -5it is for these reasons that gold has come and is
continuing to come to the United States.
The continued acceptance of the gold that comes

here is the only sound course of action open to us.
There are other conceivable ovarses of action but they
would all have disastrous consequences.

Take, for example, the proposal so frequently

made to us that we stop buying gold. It has the charm

of simplicity. All that we have to do is to prohibit
gold imports by a Treasury order. But let me tell
what I think would happen. The immediate reaction

would be a sharp increase in the value of the dollar in

terms of foreign currencies. Foreign currencies, in
other words, would at once sharply depreciate and a
chain of forces would be set in motion which would

disrupt our trade.

136

-6First of all American products would be such

more difficult to sell in foreign markets, This
would not apply so such to was goods - airplanes,

armanents, etc. - but it would hit hard our export
-

of hundreds of agricultural and industrial commodities

I

not vital to the conduct of war. We would loss
;

heavily in the very markets - will badly need when
the war is over. Increased imports of foreign goods,

,
(

on our domestic economy. It would be just those very

.

at the same time, would react even more drastically

items which compete with our domostic manufactures

that would flood our home markets. We would not be
encouraged to buy much more subber or kin.

I

:

...
But meat and daisy products, textiles, and hundreds
of other manufactures would at onee be subjected to

greatly intensified competition from abroad. Further
more, Americans who have investments abroad would

find that they had suffered substantial lesses overnight, just as foreigners with investments here would

find that they had windfall gains overnight.

So you see this simple ready in, in effect,
a proposal that would completely disrupt our foreign
enchanges and our trade and greatly increase unemploy-

- in this country. And - with the other naive
proposals which some well-emming citisens suggest

as . ready for our communiting gold stocks.

...
Shall we follow their advice and out the
price for gold? A moderate out would be ineffective,
and a out sufficiently large to reduce our annual

gold inflow by a billion or two would introduce the
same conditions as would follow on a prohibition of
gold importe. It would mean a serious decrease in
trada and a big increase in unemployment,

Shall we discriminate against certain countries
in the purchases of our goldt Such a policy would

not even have the virtue of effectiviness. The
active cooperation of practically the whole world
would be required to prevent any one country's gold

free circulating.

128

-9Obviously this would be impossible under any circum-

stances, let alone at a time such as this. Besides,
the value of gold depends upon its unqualified use
and acceptance as an international medium of exchange.

To limit its acceptance would mean to reduce its
usefulness.

There is yet another alternative which has
always been open to us. Instead of taking gold we
could have granted credit. Americans could have
accumulated huge unsettled claims abroad. We have had

experience with that system - extensive experience in the decade that ended with the economic collapse

of 1929. It is doubtful that Americans would want to
repeat the experience.

-30

- 20 .

For the - of - - shipped and for
the dollar credite - greated we have taken gold in
the Last als years instead of prociseary notes, the
phress "good as gale" still has real meaning in the

world. I prefer the gold to please of foreign paper,

I think most w
Our gold palley is carefully adjusted to the
realities of a complex world situation. There have

been - w - for changing st, Emaine
tion of each of them has as in the comples
I have neutioned, that in the effort to ready
Smoked onile they would bring on real

or - should basic conditions alter,

should we be confructed with - and economic and political developments, the -

131

. 11 .
will accessorily take such action as will best
protest American interests. It is to be prepared
for such contingensies that the powers with respect
to gold operations have been kept flambie. But
nothing has appeared to date which would warrant

any change in our gold policy.
There is only one sound way in which we can

work to reduce the inflaw of gold and to promote the

return of at least a part of the wealth is represents
to useful service in the lands from which 10 came.

That way is to de everything in our power to contribute
to the return of pease to the world and to ensourage
reconstruction and the resteration of normal trade.

with the restoration of enturing peace and stability abroad the gold problem will selve itself.

18
38 .

- great - explose will ww. not I shall will Seee closed but - - shall by Fordiga capital will be grabually repartrated . not

because - drive se - - I as to assisted

- w the - of security strend. our
Invoice will - again invest their Sumie abroad -

but I of greatly - opportunities su
a and prefitable investments is other tants.
And family - souriate will spend Instructor of millions
more in foreign condution.

these are the developments which will -

milleally and direct the n of - - the United states. these are the -

- - which - - /

T

/

- because of the centrity of opportunity as h

133

- 18 .
We met compentrate on the promotion of further
recervery here and peace and cosurity alread not in

order to correct the gold situation, but I
proceparity, pease and security are in themselves

the supreme ends of policy. that their attainment
will also selve the world's gold problem is only a
by-product, but an important and.

I should like finally to term to the question

of the continued of the gold we have and
the gold we are going to got. The matter seems to
be troubling seme people.

Let - reasons you - and for all. As
long as there are independent nations, and as long as

there 10 international trade in goods and services,

00 long will is be meeseary to settle international

N

234

24

balances. cold is the international medium of change per excellence. The acceptability 10 universals

its utility as international money survives changes
is economic systems. IS is used and noted just as

much by the purest description as by distaterships as much by capitalist communica as by socialist

commonies. It is the refined instrument of international
enchange of goods and services, as well as an essential

ingredient in the more complex international financial

transactions - as instrument that has functioned
without challenge for Instrude of years. Beery foreign
country wishes 10 had more of its me foreign country

likes to 1000 any of see all countries accumulate 10

as seen as they - afford to do see

135 A

18 .

And the fast that same countries find se possible

to controt their international wate without gold
does not - that they prefer to do se any more
than people reading by candiolight do se because they

prefer earliee to electricity.
Gold dees not lose its value because countries are foreed to resert to clearing arrangeneeds, barter. import controls, and other substitutes.

All these are a - after
active. They are admittedly a method of contacting
trade and finance which will only be adopted them a
country does not passess edequate gold holdings.
Governments resert whelly to those substitute methods

for keeping a country's balance of payments in
equilitivism only during times of great and prolenged

138

- 16 .

stress and instability, and only the for ese
reason or another the have bom matable to prevent

a less of practically all their gold heldings. All
countries would like to have more gold, end the

countries which have the least are, you will find,
countries which are striving most to add to their
gold heldings.

To be sure, if the political picture of the
world should endorge a crastic change is the future

se that instead of fifty OF sixty independent nations
there should exist only one or two groups dominated

by ruthless powers, the international trade and
finance may assume the character of democtic trade.

,
137
- 17 -

There will cease to be independent monetary systems,

as there will cease to be independent foreign

policies. Balances between countries will be settled
as balances between our states are settled now -

that is wholly by transfers of deposits. Under such
circumstances 11 might well be that gold would no
longer be needed. But under those circumstances,

life would be so different, that the possible less is the
value of gold would, I em sure, be the least of our
worries.

Certain governments may boast of the day when

independent democracies will disappear, I for one,
have ao fears that such boasts can be made good.

138

. 10 .
I - as confident that gold will continue to be
international money as I - that the majority of
nations will succeed is maintaining their independence.
with the return of peace end of normal economic and

polisseal relationships and barriers to the free flow
of goods, capital, and services will be gratually
lewered.

One word more - The every we made and are

moking is return for gold was an a bad bergain. TO
enabled us to increase employment and recovery. We
have expended our exporte and encouraged our demostic

industry. And not least of all we have acquired the
safest physical assets is the world.

139

- 19 -

I suppose there may be some sincere people

who have boes disturbed by stories that this country
has a amotary policy that threatens to cause the
nationaless. If you meet such people, I hope you
will be able to reasoure them. You may tell them that
the greatest and richest country of the world has the
best and soundest monetary system and that there is

not the slightest reason to fear that 18 will not
remain sound.

We can feel entirely comfortable is the
pessession of a supply of gold with which we ean
meet future degands on our monetary system without
any shock to our economy. We ean be prepared also to

play the part we ought to play is the reconstruction
of the world that must follow war's senseless
destruction.

Treasury Department

140

Division of Monetary Research
Date
To:

From:

5/1/40

Draft discussed at meeting in

Secretary's office, 11:15 a.m. ,
May 2, 1940.

(This is the draft which was
delivered at the Secretary's home
by messenger the night before.)

"

141

I have taken the liberty of departing from
the topic which was originally assigned to me when

I was asked to address this meeting, in order to

talk to you about the money of the United States -

and particularly about gold. I do this because I
think the subject 18 one in which all of you are
interested; and it is one about which you may be
asked a good many questions as the year proceeds.

One thing you will hardly need to be told
about our monetary system; that is, that the American

dollar is the soundest unit of currency in the world.
Its value 18 unquestioned here at home and it is not
questioned anywhere else in the world.

142

-2It is a solid rock of strength and stability amid
all the monetary confusion created by aggression

and war. It is more than a domestic currency; it
has become in the last few years more and more an

international currency. People throughout the world
who are driven by disaster and fear to hoard currency

prefer to hoard the currency of the United States,

If they can get it.
We have tried through many means to facilitate

stability in the currencies of the world. An
outstanding example of an effort which we initiated

18 the Tripartite Accord of September, 1936. In all,
the six leading democracies of the world have

subscribed to the principles of that Accord. Further
progress in the field of international finance and

143

-3trade must be deferred by reason of the cataclysm
in Europe.

One of the most striking developments of
these recent years has been the universal confidence

in the American dollar as one of the very few certain
things in a highly uncertain world.
Some of our citizens who admit the strength

of the dollar and the world's confidence in our
currency, now suggest that confidence in our dollar
has resulted in this country receiving too much gold.
During the last 6 years we have acquired about

$10 billions of foreign gold.
Why has so much gold come to the United States?

In the first place, we have exported many

billions of dollars worth of goods and services in
excess of the amounts we have imported.

144

4Secondly, largely volumes of foreign funds have come

to this country to be placed and kept on deposit

with out banks. Foreigners have sent their funds
here for safekeeping because of the peace, stability,
and security which this country enjoys.
Thirdly, foreigners have made large investments
in American industries because foreigners think
American business 18 a safe and profitable investment.
Finally, Americans have been withdrawing their funds

from abroad and liquidating their foreign investments
in large sums because they prefer the dollar to any
other currency in the world.
It is for these reasons that we have had so
large and continuing a favorable balance of payments;

Little make it Haint

the guv
itself -5-i
duepayments
not buy
individes
the

not agreement

it 18 for these reasons that gold has come and is
continuing to come to the United States.

The continued acceptance of the gold that comes

here 16 the only sound course of action open to us.
There are other conceivable courses of action but they
would all have disastrous consequences.

Take, for example, the proposal so frequently

made to us that we stop buying gold. It has the charm

of si plicity. All that we have to do 18 to prohibit
gold imports by a Treasury order. But let me tell
what I think would happen. The immediate reaction

would be a sharp increase in the value of the dollar in
terms of foreign currencies. Foreign currencies, in
other words, would at once sharply depreciate and a

chain of forces would be set in motion which would

disrupt our trade.

140

-6First of all American products would be much

more difficult to sell in foreign markets. This
would not apply 80 much to war goods - airplanes,

armaments, etc. - but it would hit hard our export
of hundreds of agricultural and industrial commodities

not vital to the conduct of war. We would lose
heavily in the very markets we will badly need when

the war 18 over. Increased imports of foreign goods,
at the same time, would react even more drastically

on our domestic economy. It would be just those very
items which compete with our domestic manufactures

that would flood our home markets. We would not be
encouraged to buy much more rubber or tin.

147

-7But meat and dairy products, textiles, and hundreds
of other manufactures would at once be subjected to

greatly intensified competition from abroad. Furthermore, Americans who have investments abroad would

find that they had suffered substantial losses overnight, just as foreigners with investments here would

find that they had windfall gains overnight.
So you see this simple remedy is, in effect,
a proposal that would completely disrupt our foreign
exchanges and our trade and greatly increase unemploy- -

ment in this country. And so with the other naive
proposals which some well-meaning citizens suggest

as a remedy for our accumulating gold stocks.

148

-8Shall we follow their advice and cut the
price for gold? A moderate cut would be ineffective,
and a cut sufficiently large to reduce our annual
gold inflow by a billion or two would introduce the
same conditions as would follow on a prohibition of
gold imports. It would mean a serious decrease in
trade and a big increase in unemployment.

Shall we discriminate against certain countries
in the purchases of our gold? Such a policy would

not even have the virtue of effectiveness. The
active cooperation of practically the whole world
would be required to prevent any one country's gold

from circulating.

149

-9Obviously this would be impossible under any circum-

stances, let alone at a time such as this. Besides,
the value of gold depends upon its unqualified use
and acceptance as an international medium of exchange.

To limit its acceptance would mean to reduce its
usefulness.

There 16 yet another alternative which has

always been open to us. Instead of taking gold we
could have granted credit. Americans could have
accumulated huge unsettled claims abroad. We have had

experience with that system - extensive experience in the decade that ended with the economic collapse

of 1929. It 18 doubtful that Americans would want to
repeat the experience.

+50

- 10 For the excess of goods we shipped and for

the dollar credits we granted we have taken gold in

the last six years instead of promissory notes. The
phrase "good as gold" still has real meaning in the

world. I prefer the gold to pieces of foreign paper.
I think most Americans do.

Our gold policy is carefully adjusted to the
realities of a complex world situation. There have
been many glib suggestions for changing it. Examination of each of them has revealed, as in the examples

I have mentioned, that in the effort to remedy

fancied evils they would bring on real disaster.
of course, should basic conditions alter,
should we be confronted with new and unforeseen
economic and political developments, the government

151

- 11

will necessarily take such action as will best
protect American interests. It 18 to be prepared
for such contingencies that the powers with respect

to gold operations have been kept flexible. But
nothing has appeared to date which would warrant

any change in our gold policy.
There is only one sound way in which we can

work to reduce the inflow of gold and to promote the

return of at least a part of the wealth it represents
to useful service in the lands from which it came.
That way 18 to do everything in our power to contribute
to the return of peace to the world and to encourage

reconstruction and the restoration of normal trade.
With the restoration of enduring peace and economic

stability abroad the gold problem will solve itself.

152

- 12 Our great export surplus will drop, not because we
shall sell less abroad but because we shall buy more.

Foreign capital will be gradually repatriated - not
because we drive it out but because it 18 attracted
home by the reemergence of security abroad. Our

investors will once again invest their funds abroad not because of the scarcity of opportunity at home
but because of greatly enhanced opportunities for
sound and profitable investments in other lands.

And finally our tourists will spend hundreds of millions
more in foreign countries.
These are the developments which will auto-

matically and gradually direct the flow of gold
away from the United States. These are the developments upon which we must concentrate.

153

- 13 We must concentrate on the promotion of further
recovery here and peace and security abroad not in

order to correct the gold situation, but because
prosperity, peace and security are in themselves
the supreme ends of policy.

That their attainment

will also solve the world's gold problem is only a
by-product, but an important one.

I should like finally to turn to the question
of the continued usefulness of the gold we have and

the gold we are going to get. The matter seems to
be troubling some people.

Let me reassure you once and for all. As
long as there are independent nations, and as long as

there is international trade in goods and services,

80 long will it be necessary to settle international

154

- 14 balances. Gold is the international medium of ex-

change par excellence. Its acceptability is universal;
its utility as international money survives changes
in economic systems. It is used and needed just as
much by the purest democracies as by dictatorships as much by capitalist economies as by socialist

economies. It 18 the refined instrument of international
exchange of goods and services, as well as an essential

ingredient in the more complex international financial
transactions - an instrument that has functioned
without challenge for hundreds of years. Every foreign

country wishes it had more of it; no foreign country

likes to lose any of it; all countries accumulate it
as soon as they can afford to do so.

155

- 15 And the fact that some countries find it possible

to conduct their international trade without gold
does not mean that they prefer to do 80 any more
than people reading by candlelight do 80 because they

prefer candles to electricity.
Gold does not lose its value because some

countries are forced to resort to clearing arrangements, barter, import controls, and other substitutes.
All these substitutes are admittedly a worse alternative. They are admittedly a method of conducting
trade and finance which will only be adopted when a
country does not possess adequate gold holdings.
Governments resort wholly to these substitute methods

for keeping a country's balance of payments in

equilibrium only during times of great and prolonged

156

- 16 stress and instability, and only when for one
reason or another they have been unstable to prevent

a loss of practically all their gold holdings. All
countries would like to have more gold, and the

countries which have the least are, you will find,
countries which are striving most to add to their
gold holdings.

To be sure, 11 the political picture of the
world should undergo a drastic change in the future

so that instead of fifty or sixty independent nations
there should exist only one or two groups dominated

by ruthless powers, then international trade and
finance may assume the character of domestic trade.

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- 17 There will cease to be independent monetary systems,

as there will cease to be independent foreign

policies. Balances between countries will be settled
as balances between our states are settled now -

that 18 wholly by transfers of deposits. Under such
circumstances it might well be that gold would no
longer be needed. But under those circumstances life

would be so different, that the possible loss in the
value of gold would, I am sure, be the least of our
worries.

Certain governments may boast of the day when

independent democracies will disappear, I for one,
have no fears that such boasts can be made good.

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- 18 I am as confident that gold will continue to be
international money as I am that the majority of
nations will succeed in maintaining their independence.
with the return of peace and of normal economic and

political relationships and barriers to the free flow
of goods, capital, and services will be gradually
lowered.

One word more - The swap we made and are
a

good

making in return for gold was net a bad bargain. It
enabled us to increase employment and recovery. We
have expanded our exports and encouraged our domestic

industry. And not least of all we have acquired the
safest physical asset in the world.

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- 19 I suppose there may be some sincere people

who have been disturbed by stories that this country
has a monetary policy that threatens to cause the

to th mater

nation loss
the

If you meet such people I hope you

will be able to reassure them. You may tell them that
the greatest and richest country of the world has the
best and soundest monetary system and that there is
no

not the slightest reason to fear that it will not
remain sound.

We can feel entirely comfortable in the
possession of a supply of gold with which we can
meet future demands on our monetary system without

any shock to our economy. We can be prepared also to

play the part we ought to play in the reconstruction
of the world that must follow war's senseless
destruction.

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5/2/40

Prepared by miss Knielt
from 1/31/20 10mg talk at ysmita
A Day in the Treasury

Your very able director, Mrs. McAllister,
has asked me to give you some idea of what we do in

the Treasury. I believe that I can do that best by
taking you behind the scenes and with the help of
your imaginations let you experience a Day in the
Treasury.

The Treasury does many things besides col-

lecting taxes. It spends money; it borrows money,
prints money and engages in gold and silver transactions and makes the purchases of supplies for the
Federal Government. The Treasury Department has

been in the "Racket-busting" game long before it
became campaign-appeal material. For more than

seventy-five years our agents have brought criminals

to justice. Working efficiently and effectively
Treasury agents run down snugglers, counterfeiters

of our currency, violators of our liquor laws, income
tax laws, and narcotic laws. The Treasury supervises
national banks and examines your baggage when you

return from abroad. It takes care of lighthouses;
patrols almost every mile of our enormous shore line

at least once a day: helps boats in distress; enforces

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the Tariff Act and neutrality legislation, keeps
government accounts, and until this year took care

of Public Health and construction of Federal buildings, when under the Reorganization Plan those

services were departmentalized. We administer the

two billion dollar stabilization fund and protect
the internal and external value of the dollar. We
even print postage stamps.

You might wonder how so many activities
can possibly be coordinated into one department.

The secret is efficient personnel. An essential
of good administration is to separate the important
from the unimportant; policy from routine. Only
if the less important and the routine are delegated

to capable assistants is it possible to get through
the day. An equally essential prerequisite of good

administration is to select a staff of highly competent, loyal, and able assistants who will supervise the routine work of the different branches

of Treasury activity and are available for consultation on important matters of policy. I need not
remind you ladies that some of our outstanding executives in the Treasury are women. You all know

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Mrs. Nellie Tayloe Ross, Director of the Mint, and
Mrs. Marion Banister, our Assistant Treasurer, to
mention only two of the many women who hold impor-

tant positions with us.

Our official day begins at 9 'clock but
most of the executives are at their desks before
that hour. During my years in Washington, I have

been grateful for the habit, formed long ago, of

getting up at half past six. This gives me an opportunity to glance through the leading newspapers
and finish examining the reports and documents

which I took home the evening before. Often by

seven-thirty I have talked to one or more of my
assistants by telephone and it is not unusual for
one of them to walk the two miles from my home to

the office in order to discuss some problem which

I any not have time to consider later in the day.
Scheduled appointments in my office begin

at 8:45 when Mr. Merle Cochran, the director of

our two billion dollar stabilization fund reports
on developments in the leading foreign money markets

of the world. By that hour. Mr. Cochran has been
in telephonic communication with our fiscal agent,

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the Federal Reserve Bank in New York and with Treasury

representatives in the leading financial centres of

the world. It is his business to watch the world's
money markets, and to bring to my attention matters

of importance arising with respect to the silver,
gold, and foreign exchange and capital markets. To-

gether we plan the day's operations of the stabilisation fund which, as you know, was provided for by
Congress in the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 to prevent

undue fluctuation in the value of the American dol-

lar. Occasionally, connected with this operation,
there are emergencies which require immediate action

and there are times when it is necessary to call
London or Paris to give instructions to our representatives in Europe. Remember that we start our
day five or more hours later and therefore have
that much advantage over the European Nations.

At nine-thirty I hold a staff meeting
which lasts from a half hour to an hour depending
upon the kind of problems that come before us.
This meeting is attended by a dosen or more of my

assistants and advisers. I like to look upon

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this group as a sort of Treasury Cabinet. It is
not a formal cabinet but consists of those whose
departments and bureaus are closest to the special
problems of policy which confront the Treasury

from day to day, and who are, therefore, in a position to contribute most.
There are a great many people who think

that Treasury activities are confined to the highly unpopular sport of collecting taxes and who
fear that when they hear from the Treasury it
must be because there is something wrong with

their income tax returns. We had an amusing

example of that last week. One of the Assistant
Secretaries called up an important business firm
in Chicago to obtain some needed information.
When the Washington telephone operator announced

that the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury was
calling, there appeared to be considerable to-do

at the other end. After much delay Chicago reported that the President of the firm was out;
the three Vice-Presidents were out too; everybody
was out. Apparently there had been an exodus
in the middle of a working morning and one lone

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stenographer was holding the fort. About a half
hour later the Attorney for the company anxiously
called back to find out what the Treasury Department wanted from his concern and was much relieved

to know it was only some technical information.

So the next time you get a telephone call from the
Treasury don't run for your lawyer.

I think you will be interested in what
happens at one of my nine-thirty meetings. First,
we hear the report of the Under Secretary. Some-

times he will raise questions on preparation for a
bond flotation. Questions of rates, amounts, and
timing must be settled before the United States
Treasury goes into the market to borrow money.

Actually, before a large financing operation is
undertaken, many days are devoted to a careful oramination of market prospects which in times like

these involves analysis of the foreign situation.
The Treasury's economic division always prepares

preliminary reports on the money market in antic-

ipation of conferences on a bond issue. All the
government borrowing, including that of independent

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agencies such as the Reconstruction Finance Corpora-

tion and the United States Housing Authority, is
undertaken with the cooperation of the Treasury to
make sure there is no conflict in the money market
and that the agencies are borrowing at the best
available rate. The Under Secretary may have some

questions pertaining to the national banks or the
Federal budget. These matters are brought up in
staff meeting for open discussion and considera-

tion. Next, the Assistant Secretary in charge of
the Coast Guard, Secret Service, Narcotics, and
Enforcement of Neutrality Laws may wish to discuss

the rounding up of smugglers shipping narcotics out

of Marseilles to New York or the discovery of a
new counterfeiting gang which has been turning out

bogus fifty-dollar bills.
It is interesting to note that since the
enactment of the Marihuana Act of 1937. Treasury
agents have destroyed over 20,000 acres of this
weed which is used in the manufacture of drugged

cigarettes. By thus destroying the source, we are

stamping out the traffic and illicit use of Marihuana.

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Recently we closed a narcotic case which
attained national prominence and which many of you
may have read about in the newspapers. For some

time our agents were aware of large quantities of
drugs being smuggled into the country. Upon investigation they discovered that these were being bought
in Shanghai and the Japanese concession at Tientain,

China, and were being shipped into this country via

France. It was estimated that within approximately
twelve months sufficient drugs had been snuggled

through the Port of New York to supply a year's

needs of 10,000 addicts or one-fifth of the drug

traffic. The case was finally broken and resulted
in the indictment of 30 persons among whom was a

gangster best known by his alias of "Lepice". In
1932 this man was the acknowledged leader of a well-

organized and lucrative fur and garment racket. At
the time of his indictment he was a fugitive from

justice having forfeited bail of $10,000 on antitrust charges. The Federal Bureau of Investigation
offered a reward of $5,000 for his apprehension.
The New York District Attorney raised the ante to

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-9$30,000 "dead or alive", but Lepice eventually surrendered in August 1939. He is now serving a
twelve-year sentence in a Federal penitentiary

for conspiracy to violate the laws relating to
narcotic drugs.
As you know, the Treasury has a monopoly

on the printing of our currency and it does not
look favorably upon competition. Counterfeit
notes totaling $365,367 were seized during 1939
by our Secret Service agents. Over $52,000 was

confiscated in counterfeit coins. The losses to
the public through counterfeit notes in circulation during 1938 amounted to almost $319,000. Dur-

ing 1939 - due to the unceasing vigilance of Treasary agents - there was a thirty percent decrease
in the circulation of phoney money.
Another Assistant Secretary in charge
of the Bureau of Internal Revenue and Taxation may

come to the staff meeting seeking advice on the
closing agreement with some contractor who is doing
business with the War or Navy Department under the

Vinson-Trannell Act, which provides that any profit

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in excess of ten percent of the total contract price
on naval construction is to be paid into the Treasury. The Treasury also makes closing agreements
between armament manufacturers and the Government.

In this connection, we have established a new policy

of publishing these agreements in full so that the
public will at all times know the arrangements their
Government is making.

Very frequently there are important tax

matters calling for discussion. As a principle of
tax collection we have tried at all times to be fair.
We have impressed upon the taxpayer that he can always

get a hearing himself right in his own district. He
does not have to come to Washington. We have de-

centralized the Bureau of Internal Revenue so that

there are offices in all the large cities where a
man can go to iron out his difficulties. The Treasury does not permit any tax case to be settled pri-

vately or secretly. It was very shocking to some of
us who came to Washington in 1932 to learn of the
number of persons who try to defraud the Government

in their tax statements. Our policy has been to let

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the chips fall where they may and it has been maintained regardless of how much influence a man or
woman may have. It has been an incessant and never

ending fight to run down fraud and eliminate illegal
tax evasion. We find that, on the whole, men and
women are becoming more conscious of their obligations to support honest Government. Today the

Federal Government is giving its citizens better
service than ever before and most people are willing

to pay their share for its upkeep.
Remember - we are still in the staff meeting. The General Counsel may have some knotty prob-

lem to lay before the group. He has 445 lawyers

working under him. I believe this is the second

largest legal staff in the country. I need not tell
this audience that 445 lawyers mean plenty of trouble.

Of course, only those legal matters involving policy
or special decision are brought up at staff meetings.
We always have cases pending before the Supreme Court

or the Board of Tax Appeals or the Court of Customs
and before the numerous Federal courts throughout
the country.

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Another subject which is likely to come up
at the meeting is that of personnel. My Administra-

tive Assistant has the job of looking after the personnel problems of 73,000 employees and oftentimes there

are cases which need special attention. The welfare

of the people working for the Treasury is a major consideration and we have a rule that if any employee

feels that he is unfairly treated he can always come

to me personally as a final court of appeal. Another

duty of this Assistant is to investigate all persons
applying for the more important positions in the Treasury.

Then the Commissioner of Customs may make a

report. His Bureau is responsible for patrolling our
borders, preventing snuggling, collecting import duties,

and excluding improper literature and paintings. Incidentally, the largest single seizure of snuggled goods
made by our Customs Service involved uncut dismonds

weighing 3,395.61 karats at a domestic value of $286,346.
These dismonds were concealed in a false compartment

of a small overnight bag in the possession of a woman

passenger on a transatlantic liner. The arrest of this
woman disclosed the activities of an international diamond

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snuggling syndicate which had been operating for

over ten years in this country, England, France,

and Belgium. The case eventually involved fiftyfive defendants located here and abroad.

In the matter of protecting the public
from obscene literature and pictures, the Treasury
now has authorities on these subjects so that no
real work of art is excluded on "Comstockian"
grounds nor can indecent material get by under the
guise of art.
Another member at our staff meeting is

the Director of our Division of Monetary Research
who keeps us posted on current economic develop-

ments and prepares reports on domestic and international economic problems with which we have to

deal. Dr. Harry White will tell you about this
work in a few minutes.
Then we have the report of the Treasury
representative on the Export-Import Bank who gives

us the status of negotiations of loans to various
countries such as Finland, Norway, Sweden, and

China. He also assists on matters pertaining particularly to South America. With reference to the

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Export-Import Bank a strange case came before the

Treasury Department last year which illustrates the

ramification of Treasury operations. It involved
the investigation of a disease on the China-Burna
border that had been ravaging the country year

after year. What interested the Treasury in that
remote and inaccessible area was the fact that a
loan had been extended to the Chinese Government
and the repayment was in danger because shipments

of tung oil to the United States over the now ChinaBurna highway were blocked. This tung oil provides

the money for servicing the debt. It was impossible
to maintain traffic in the wet season because of
the prevalence of the disease. When it was brought
to our attention, we got busy at once and had three
United States Public Health Service men sent there

to investigate the trouble. They discovered that
the disease was malignant malaria and initiated
steps to stamp out the epidemic. The Treasury was,

of course, interested in having the loan repaid.

The fact that by facilitating the repayment of the
loan we were also saving thousands of lives made

that particular task a very gratifying one.

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The staff meeting is in reality a meeting
of minds. Each person contributes from his knowledge
and experience. Problems which are not solved are
assigned to someone who will make a later report or

call an inter-bureau conference. When the staff
meeting is over each executive returns to his division or bureau or department and in turn gets reports
from his assistants which he considers and discusses

in much the same way as we did in my office. Each
one has innumerable telephone calls, conferences,
appointments, and a sheaf of correspondence. Every

minute of the day is filled and for all of us the
days are long.

To give you an idea of the variety of problems that come before me for policy decisions, I
jotted down some items which happened to come up

for consideration on a single day. Here they are:
A loan project to Ecuador: the Annenberg

tax case; proposed Argentine trade agreement; activities of British and French Purchasing Mission; Bank
for North and South America; Colombian debt settle-

ment negotiations; plan to finance tin and tungsten
exports from China to the United States; certificate

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plan for agriculture; weekly report on business
situation for the President; purchasing of stock

piles of strategic materials; port delay of shipments of Red Cross supplies to Finland and a
Tennessee Valley Authority financing proposal.

These are in addition to the matters which may

develop out of the staff meeting. You can readily

see that a job at the Treasury is not likely to
put one in a "rut".
Frequently Senators and Congressmen

drop in to discuss proposed legislation or some

Treasury activity. Sometimes there are financial
representatives of foreign countries who come to
take up inter-governmental economic matters. All

Government officials are, of course, subject to
call from the President.
I usually take advantage of the luncheon
period and eat with members of my staff, or mon

from other Departments or visitors, in order to
discuss problems in a more genial or philosophical
mood than would be possible in a more formal atmos-

phere. Almost every Monday I lunch with the President. We discuss urgent problems and the President

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frequently assigns to me special duties, and I take
this opportunity to discuss with him the special
matters which he has asked me to look into. On
Friday there is the Cabinet meeting for which preparation has to be made.

On the international front the Treasury

receives literally hundreds of cables, reports,
and consular dispatches from all parts of the
world each week. We get hundreds of plans proposing monetary and fiscal changes but most of them
are crank panaceas. When one merits the President's

attention, a report is prepared for him. You may
be interested to know that, as befits a democratic
government, we answer every letter - and we receive
thousands each week.

In this administration we have made it a
policy when special problems arise to consult the
best qualified persons in the country. When we have

an extraordinary situation we call in the experts,
as we did when complications were created by the
European War. The great advantage of this procedure

is that people from the outside frequently bring
in fresh points of view. There are times when

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special banking and monetary problems warrant consul-

tation and conferences with outstanding men in their
respective fields. I remember one occasion when we

called upon a dozen of the foremost financiers of
the country. They responded immediately and gave

unstintingly of their time and energy during a
national emergency. It is very encouraging to
realize how some of the most important men in the

country in their respective fields gladly lay aside
their own duties to come to Washington, sometimes

on a few hours notice, to contribute, generally

without pay, to the solution of the nation's problems.

The day at the office ends finding mo like many members of the Treasury staff - faced

with the accumulation of the day's mail to sign.

But this is not the end of our day's work. The
reports I get are so voluminous and so numerous

that I seldom get a chance to read them at the
office during the day. They become my homework.

Frequently Treasury officials have a conference

after dinner or return to their offices to burn
the midnight oil.

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A Day in the Treasury is typical of any
Government official's day. Unquestionably the
United States Government asics a great deal of its

workers but it also offers a stimulus which is
tonic, and which year by year is drawing men and

women of very high calibre into the Federal service.

A day of effective service is possible only through
the cooperation and the harmonized action of an

entire department. I may be prejudiced, but I
believe that we have attained an esprit de corps
in the Treasury which is unsurpassed by any other
Government agency.

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May 2, 1940
4:30 p.m.
Present:

Mr. Graves

Mr. Helvering
Mrs. Klotz

HM,Jr: According to Mr. Graves, I see you have

done it; settled.
Mr. Helvering: Well, yes. We got some returns.
HM,Jr: It kind of took my breath away.
not know you were up to that point, but

I did

Mr. Helvering: Mr. Secretary, the principal thing

I had in mind was to get this fellow on a sworn statement
for those years that he absolutely had not reported his
income. Now, of course
HM,Jr: You mean he did not report any income?

Mr. Graves: For the years he was Governor. Filed

no return at all.
Mr. Helvering: And Mr. Graves will tell you we

may have to give him every deduction he's entitled to.
Mr. Graves: He has, in these 6 years, he had income
which he should have reported, but did not, of $47,000.
HM,Jr: He admits that?
Mr. Graves: Signed a return showing that.
HM,Jr: $47,000?

Mr. Graves: $47,000.

HM,Jr: Over six years?

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Mr. Graves: Six years. There is the total

of that thing by year showing source of his income,
the amount report, amount he paid and amount of additional tax he is now paying.

(Mr. Graves and HM,Jr discussed the attached

chart .)

HM,Jr: And you changed your mind and did nothing
criminally about this?

Mr. Helvering: I don't think there is any basis

on which we could be successful in a criminal prosecution.
HM,Jr: Excuse me. (To Mrs. Klotz) The next time
I see the President I want to show him that (attached
statement. )

Mr. Helvering: Now, understand, Mr. Secretary,
that there is over $20,000 from the Sullivan firm.
Mr. Graves: Mr. Hays.

Mr. Helvering: That is not in this amount. He

made a very vigorous protest about that going in and I
think and Mr. Graves

Mr. Graves: We have no proof, Mr. Morgenthau.

HM,Jr: That his father did not keep it?
Mr. Graves: We knew his father passed some, if
not all, on to McNutt, but McNutt's claim throughout
was the amounts he received from his father in that connection were in fact repayments of loans which he had
made to his father. We were unsuccessful in our effort
to find the checks. If we could have had our hands on
the checks we would have had endorsements which would
have been some evidence. The reason I told the boys
they might withdraw on that was that McNutt said in

effect "I will pay that if I have to, because you boys
have ne, but you have no right to it and I will be
paying it simply because you will have forced me. "
It did not seem to me the additional tax amount we

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might get from him would justify proceeding against
this man and he would apparently have a feeling we
We
took it away from him at the point of a gun.
are not precluded against any further action that
18 indicated should we get additional proof.
HM,Jr: But you are not investigating any more?
Mr. Graves: Not investigating, but today we
are having our hearing with Bowman Elder at Indianapolis and while I have no confidence that anything

will come out of that, there is always a possibility

that Mr. Elder will talk about this anyway, which we
are attempting to tax to him, for the reason he won't
tell who he paid it to.
HM,Jr: Let me ask you a question. You have

been here 78 years. Do you know of any case where
a Presidential appointee has been under similar circumstances, that we have run into a Presidential
appointee who had $47,000 income over 6 years that he

failed to report?

Mr. Helvering: No. I don't recall anybody.

Had a Congressman.

HM,Jr: Well, I think it is up to me to bring
it to the President's attention. I don't know what
he will do about it. I just want to say this.
did not know, this last time, that you were going to
I

go in, take his money. The time before when you said
you were going to see him you said that's what you were

going to do. That's why I was kind of surprised.

Mr. Graves: I am to blame for that. I tried

to get a clearance, but I did not make myself clear.

HM,Jr: You said you were going to see him and
you said you were not ready and you postponed the meeting.

Mr. Helvering: That's right.
HM,Jr: Then I said before we settle I want to

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sit down and talk, but we did not question it because
you were not going to see him, the next day.

Mr. Graves: That's right. We postponed it.
HM,Jr: Then you had another meeting and I had
it in my mind we would meet again.
Mr. Graves: You may not remember when I was

in here to meet Miss Knight, I stayed behind and told

you I thought we were in position and we were meeting
the next day and would proceed on that basis.

HM,Jr: It did not ring the bell, but as I told

you over the phone, I asked you two gentlemen to do it

and you have full authority and if this is what you
think is best, I am satisfied.

Mr. Graves: It cuts off no other action that

we might want to take.

HM,Jr: What I told the President was this --

and watch the papers, if McNutt begins to feed some
more poison to the columnists, then by god! I am going
to send for him and read the riot act to him. As the
President said this morning, we have been very dignified

about this thing and kept our peace, but if he starts
blowing how he has always paid his tax then I think I
will send for him myself.
Mr. Helvering: Of course, when you think of that,
as a salaried man, that's a pretty fair deficiency in
tax especially in those years when he had from $6,000
to $13,000 income besides all these salaried things and

failed to report it.
HM,Jr: I know it. I would not want it on my

record. O.K. gentlemen, I will be seeing you again.
Mr. Helvering: Just like to report to you a
little. We have been in a two day -- Monday and Tuesday and off yesterday to get some figures and all
day today conference on Annenberg case.

HM,Jr: A little birdie told me that.

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Helvering: And we have not gotten very
to accept what was done after we started the investigation and what they intended to do back in 1926, 1928,
1931 or whatever the particular instrument our considerMr.

far. As is usual in cases like this, they want us

ation is. I think they realize by now that he owes
considerable tax.

HM,Jr: Well', when you get around to it and
before you sign, will you give me a chance to listen?

Mr. Helvering: Oh, yes. of course I told the

head attorney day before yesterday that his offer of
$2,500,000 is frivolous as far as we are concerned.

HM,Jr: When you are ready and before you com-

mit yourself, I would like to know about it please.
000-000

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TO:

6162.32
55.8.48

13916.10
14306.56
8639.72
3998.66

52541.84
computed
income

From: MR. GRAVES

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CORRECTED NET INCOME AND ADDITIONAL TAXES

Item

Income from speeches
Dividends:

K.V.B. Corporation
Others

other income:

Poker winnings

Unidentified deposits

1933

$1,480.86

1934

1935

1936

1937

$2,341.77

$1,213.25

$1,319.50

$640.00

1938

2,518.05
119.33

1,810.49

1,449.38

86.77

2,710.98

114.11

274.97

$1,373.66

491.88

411.71

650.00

300.00
709.39
12.50

200.00
10,772.42
255.83

473.00

398.00

8,062.15

1,249.78

544.87
120.00

754.16

2,512.69

1,284.92

4,312.13

Interest received
Rents

Profit on sales of stocks

222.13
717.52
100.89

(37.25)

Taxable Salary as High
Commissioner

1,400.00

1,500.00

6,562.32

5,968.48

14,366.10

14,756.56

8,929.72

4,288.66

Deductions

400.00

450.00

450.00

450.00

290.00

290.00

Net Income

6,162.32

5,518.48

13,916.10

14,306.56

8,639.72

3,998.66

Net Income Reported

None

None

None

None

3,432.67

2,016.22

Taxes paid

None

None

None

None

85.31

32.58

127.34

None

722.79

842.72

370.27

75.37

Penalties

31.84

None

180.70

210.68

None

None

Interest

46.79

None

178.86

157.98

47.19

5.08

205.97

None

1,082.35

1,211.38

417.46

80.45

Total Income

Additional Taxes

Total additional

Summary
Additional Taxes
Penalty

Interest

$2,138.49
423.22
435.90

2,997.61

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May 2, 1940
12:19 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Go ahead please.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Arthur
Purvis:

Hello, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr:

How are you?

P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

H.M.Jr:

P:

Very well, thank you. And you?
I'm all right, and my decks are clear now.
Oh, good.

Mr. Purvis, I don't know whether you have anything
that's pressing. Have you?
There are one or two things that might be quite
pressing but we don't -- we don't know the exact

situation of them SO that it might be later today

before I'd quite know that. Is it -- would it be

better next week from your view?
H.M.Jr:

Well, here's the point. This 16 what I've been
fussing with. I'm giving a speech tomorrow on

gold.
P:

Oh, yes.

H.M.Jr:

And it's finished and I -- I only talk -- I haven't
talked in two years so it's very -- it isn't easy
for me to do it.

P:

H.M.Jr:

No, it -- I know, one has to sort of school oneself
up to that.
When one does it every week it's different.
Yes, exactly.

H.M.Jr:

I'll be over there from 10:30 to around 11:00, but

I could see you after that if you -- if it's
important.

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P:

Well, the only thing that I've found after speaking under those conditions is that there's a certain
let-down that comes which really makes one dis-

inclined for any discussions that you don't have
to have. I don't know whether you feel that but

I definitely felt that.

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

P:

And I -- might I therefore leave it this way.

Could I -- could I, make up my mind -- say --

and telephone you this afternoon?
H.M.Jr:

Absolutely. Supposing

P:

Because I will try then, if we could, to leave it
to Monday. Would it be possible on Monday?

H.M.Jr:

Well, I tell you what I'm going to do. Monday I
expect to visit Allison.

P:

Oh, yes.

H.M.Jr:

I'm going out to Allison Monday.
Yes, I see.

H.M.Jr:

But I will be back Tuesday.
Yes.

H.M.Jr:

So it will be quite all right.

P:

Well now then in that case I'll try and leave it
until Tuesday and if there were anything very
important could I telephone you this afternoon
and we might be able to dispose of it on the
telephone.

H.M.Jr:

Surely. Now, I have this for you. If you people

need smokeless powder badly
P:

We do, very.

H.M.Jr:

Well then, I can get you two and half million pounds

P:

Really?

from DuPont right away.

188

-3H.M.Jr:
P:

H.M.Jr:
P:

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Would
you bewaiting
willingfortothe
let us start that straightaway without
Yes.

I'm sure it's going to come.
Yes, but I mean when I say right away, within thirty

days. I mean, if -- if you said you wanted it I
can tell -- have an order to DuPont within -- well,
I think say the first of June, beginning the first
of June they can release at the rate of -- I think
whatever -- 25,000 pounds a day.

P:

Is that it, 25,000 a day.

H.M.Jr:

Yes.

P:

That would be very valuable.

H.M.Jr:

But anyway I -- it -- at the rate of two and a half
million pounds a year. I don't know what it is a
day.

P:

Yes, quite.

H.M.Jr:

If that -- and then I wouldn't wait on the other.

P:

Very good, because I'm sure the other will come
through.

H.M.Jr:

Well, if you want that

P:

We would like that.

then I will start that in motion at once.

H.M.Jr:
P:

Thank you very much. We will take that with the
greatest pleasure.

H.M.Jr:

But I'll start that -- I went down to the Navy
factory yesterday and -- and they are -- that's

where I was yesterday.
P:

Yes.

189

-4H.M.Jr:

And they can spare it because they can increase
their own output.

P:

Very good. Oh, that will be excellent because

H.M.Jr:

They have a contract with DuPont for two and a

half
million pounds which they are willing to
release.
P:

Very good indeed.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah.

P:

Thank you very much. Now then I'll -- I can tell
our people then that starting about the first of
June we will be able to deliver at the rate of
two and a half million pounds per year.

H.M.Jr:

That's right.

P:

Thank you very much indeed, Mr. Secretary.

H.M.Jr.

O. K.

P:

H.M.Jr:

Then if I could ring you again if there's anything
very urgent and if not we leave it until Tuesday.
If you want -- yes, if you want to call me the best
time 18 between three and four our time here,

Washington.
P:

Oh, of course, that's -- I've got to remember that.

H.M.Jr:

Standard time.

P:

That', 8 between four and five with us.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

P:

Thank you very much indeed.

H.M.Jr:

O. K.

P:

Goodbye.

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May 2, 1940
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY:

Shipping Situation

Remarkable strength in charter rates and prices for
U. S. Flag tonnage was the sole tangible development to emerge
from the near-chaos of the Pacific Coast freight and charter
market last week. For the rest, the combination of war and flag
uncertainties, a limited inquiry and an extreme scarcity of space,
was too much for ordinary analysis. Conditions were too badly
upset on both the carrier and the shipper sides. With only about

10 per cent of the world's tramp fleet left out of belligerent

cont ol, shippers were afraid to make sales and commitments until
they were sure of space, and besides, buying demand was not very
sharp. There was growing concern, too, over unreliable charterers
and purchasers. New world business was close to a standstill until
the atmosphere has cleared.

Most interesting charter of the week was that of two Matson
5500-ton freighters for 18 months, bare boat. The rate, not
confirmed, was widely reported as $3.50, a new high. In any event,

$5.50 could have been done easily on American time charters and

private buyers seemingly were willing to pay $60 for U. S. freighters,
in class and operating. The Scandinavian invasion has abetted the
swing to U. S. ships for foreign commerce.

Some very tentative quotations heard last week were:
scrap to the Orient, $16 asked; lumber to North China, $30 to $35;

wheat to Vladivostok, $14; lumber to Australia, $32 to $33; intercoastal lumber, $19 to $20.

Banil harris

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 2, 1940
TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Cochran

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

I told Mr. Knoke by telephone this afternoon of our interest in finding

out how much copper had been purchased by Italy in this country since April
1, 1940. Mr. Knoke immediately got in touch with his contact in the Guaranty

Trust. The latter is going through their records to find out what payments
for copper were ordered by the Italians during April, and also what copper

credits were opened for Italy during the month. The Guaranty hoped to have
this information available by next Monday. Knoke is making a similar request
of the Chase Bank, the other institution in New York through which we are
aware that the Italians have been making payments for copper.

In regard to the day's transactions, Knoke stated that the Guaranty

Trust had reported that a check had been drawn on it by the Banco Commerciale

Italiano for $1,275,000 payable to the Copper Export Association, Inc.

The Guaranty also reported a check drawn on it by the B.C.I. payable to

General Motors Overseas Corporation for $60,000.

My recollection is that Dr. White is providing the Secretary regularly
with our Customs statistics showing exports of copper to Italy. If we desire

earlier data, such as that which we are now receiving from banking sources,
we could not be assured that we had complete information unless we canvassed

the banking community. For the present, I think we should limit our inquiries in banking circles to those institutions which we know are financing
Italian purchases. On the other hand, we might contact the Copper Export
Association and perhaps other copper exporters with the view to being kept
currently informed by them.

RMR.

192

AM

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 1, 1940
TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

Cochran

I talked by telephone with Knoke this afternoon at 3:25. He said
that there had really been no significant banking operations as reported
to him, insofar as Italian accounts are involved. He mentioned the following as transactions which had been brought to his attention, and which

he relayed to us, but which he thought we would find of little interest:
Chase Bank reported a transfer of $100,000 from their bank
to Schroeder, made from the account of the Banco di Lavori to the
account of the same institution with Schroeder.
There was a check drawn by the New York agency of the Banco
Commerciale Italiano to Ford for $50,000.

There was a transfer from an Italian Insurance Company in
Trieste to a bank in Zurich for $50,000.

Two payments were ordered by the Italian Credit Institute
to be made by the Chase and National City Banks, each in the sum
of $200,000, on account of coupon payments for the Public Utilities

Ministry in Italy.

The Italian Credit Institute ordered a payment by the Chase
Bank of $700,000 to Kennecott, under an old credit. This last

transaction shows that Italy is still buying copper.

I talked by telephone this afternoon also with Mr. Samuel Reber, the
F.S.O. in the Department of State who handles the Italian desk. He stated

that no cabled reports had been received from the Embassy in Rome today.
He has promised to telephone me regularly whenever he has any fresh Italian
information that he can pass on to us.

AMR.
Trigage
d
out
how
much
copper have bought since april

My

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DOW JONES

10:35 (E.S.T.)
May 1, 1940
MILAN STOCK MARKET

Closing prices on Milan Stock Exchange follow, in lire:
TODAY

Adriatic
Edison Electric

SIP

Merid Electric
Terni Electric
Unes Electric

YESTERDAY

202-3/4
347-3/4
66-1/2

347-1/2
65-3/4

368

369

235-1/2

234

14 70

202

14 60

Fiat

513

510

Montecatini

208-1/2

208-1/4

Pirelli Italian

1 664

Italcable

159

1 665
159

Bond

Italian Conv3 I-28 1934
65 62

65 50

#######
DOW JONES

9:55 (E.S.T.)
May 1, 1940
ITALIAN EXCESS PROFITS TAX

Rome - Italian Cabinet today decreed a special excess profits tax on earnings attributable to war conditions, according to Associated Press.
The Tax, graduated from 10 to 60 percent, will be applied when the total

annual earning exceeds 12,000 lire.

*******
WONS

10:03 a.m. (E.S.T.)

May 1, 1940

ROME - United States Ambassador Phillips called on Premier Mussolini and was
said to have been informed by I1 Duce that no sudden change will be made in

Italy's position relative to the war.
Phillips called on Mussolini, it was said, to ascertain if possible what
the Italian position is in the present international situation in view of the
sharpened tone of Italian official and newspaper statements relative to the Allies.

He spent 45 minutes with the Premier and after the meeting it was said
that Mussolini advised him no sudden change in the present Italian position of nonbelligerency is in prospect.

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-2VCNS

11:55 a.m. (E.S.T.)
May 1, 1940

Increasing Allied-Italian friction, which resulted in the ordering of all

British ships out of the Mediterranean, may cause tightening of blockade restrictions on American exports to Italy, the United Press reports.

That Italy is aware of the situation is indicated by dispatch of a special

diplomatic envoy, Count Adolpho Allesandrini, to the U. S. to deal with problems
of "Maritime Traffic." He will arrive in New York about May 9. according to the
Italian Embasay.

No details of his mission were revealed, but commercial shipping is the most
important phase of maritime traffic with Italy so far as Italian needs are concerned. Italy's imports of important raw materials from sources other than America

have been greatly reduced since the war.

*******
WONS

2:04 p.m. (E.S.T.)
May 1, 1940

Undersecretary of State Welles said today that the State Department was following the situation in the Mediterranean constantly but that there was no change
whatever in the U. S. position.
Velles' comment was made in answer to questions regarding U. S. attitude in

view of the British decision to route its ships around Africa rather than through
the Mediterranean.

Welles said that he had received no report from Ambassador Phillips on the
latter's call on Premier Mussolini.
#######
WONS

4:33 p.m. (B.S.T.)
May 1, 1940

Rome - Italy assured the U. S. and Great Britain today that she is not
planning to enter the war at the present moment, it is said authoritatively.

The assurance was said to have been given personally by Premier Massolini

to William Phillips, U. S. Ambassador. Simultaneously a similar statement was
said to have been made to the British Charge D'Affaires, Sir Noel Charles, by

Foreign Minister, Count Ciano.

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Confidential

PARAPHRASE
A telegram (no. 373) of May 2, 1940, from the American

Consulate General at Shanghai reads substantially as follows:
Text of message from American Information Committee

sent through Manila amateur radio supplied at my request
today by Committee Chairman is as follows:

"Honorable Cordell Hull, Secretary of State,
Washington, District of Columbia. Strongly recommend
present as most strategic opportunity make loan China

purpose stabilizing currency object forestalling further
attacks against Chinese national currency through
creation another puppet Central Bank operated by Japanese army and Wang Ching-wei Regime, Nanking. Thought

certain Japanese planning exchange control here similar
cases Tientsin which discriminatory American trade other

interests here, elsewhere. Currency stabilization loan
would bolster Chinese morale, preserve unity, maintain
confidence people recognized Sino National Government.
Such loan could be jointly managed under currency manage-

ment agreement profitable both countries. American
Information Committee".
The

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The message was inspired by a conversation which
certain members of the Information Committee had with
Dr. Paul Monroe who passed through Shanghai last week-end

homeward bound on President Pierce following a meeting
of the Chinese Foundation in Hong Kong. He was of the

opinion that the British fund was practically exhausted
and unless something were done Shanghai there might

be a complete collapse of Chinese currency. On April 28,
the Committee was informed in confidence by Dr. Monroe

that at that time there remained in the stabilization
fund less than 61,500,000. Dr. Monroe was anxious that

it not appear that the initiative had come from the
Chinese authorities and he did not suggest that the Com-

mittee send the telegram. However, the idea of the
telegram grew out of the Committee's discussion and
there is no doubt that the Committee was influenced by

the fact that Dr. Monroe had talked recently in Chungking
with General Chiang Kai-shek.

Publicity given in Shanghai and in Washington to the
recommendation, in advance of the receipt of the telegram
by the State Department, implying that the existing
stabilization fund being operated by the Hong Kong and
Shanghai bank was almost exhausted encouraged heavy
buying

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buying from the Control on May 1 which led the Control
to refuse to sell on the morning of May 2 and caused the
Chinese dollar to weaken considerably.
The Committee failed to consult the Consulate General

or local American bankers before sending this telegram or

giving it local publicity and has only now (May 2)
supplied copies of the telegram to the American Chamber
of Commerce and American Association.

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 2, 1940

Secretary Morgenthau

TO

FROM

Subject:

Mr. Haas IDA

Railroad freight movement for export.

Export freight receipts hold at steady level
The remarkable steadiness shown by receipts of export
freight at New York over the past several months has continued

through April. (See Chart 1 and table attached). In the past

two weeks, it will be noted, the export receipts at New York
have shown a rising tendency, contrary to the trend at other
ports in this area.
During the week ended April 27, an increase of 213 cars

in export freight receipts at New York was offset by a decline
of 309 cars in receipts at 9 other North Atlantic ports, leaving receipts in the North Atlantic area 96 cars lower for the

week.

Exports sharply higher
The volume of freight exported from New York during the
week ended April 27 was 733 cars higher than in the previous
week, when exports were affected by the invasion of Scandinavia,

according to figures derived from reported data. (See Chart 2).
With the larger export movement, lighterage freight in
storage and on hand for unloading at New York has declined
slightly, the April 27 figures showing a reduction of 145 cars
from the previous week. (See Chart 3).

199

RECEIPTS OF FREIGHT FOR EXPORT AT NEW YORK
AND AT NINE OTHER NORTH ATLANTIC PORTS

New York 1
(

October 28

3,707

November 4
November 11
November 18
November 25

3,562
3,547
3,334
3,497

December 2
December 9
December 16
December 23
December 30

3,435
3,922
4,088
4,848
3,856

January 6
January 13
January 20
January 27

4,000
4,056

February 3
February 10
February 17
February 24

4,274
4,617
3,974

4,060
4,389

Nine other North

Atlantic ports 2

Total

1,548
1,658
1,602
1,104

5,470

1,251
1,433
1,557

5,251

In carloads

)

Week ended
1939-40

5,746
6,450
4,960

5,489

1,825

5,617
6,214

4,550

1,498
1,590
1,637
1,667

5,772
6,207
5,611
6,217

March 2
March 9
March 16
March 23
March 30

4,577
4,059

2,388
2,448

4,072
4,424
4,150

1,845

6,965
6,507
5,917
6,457
5,642

April 6
April 13
April 20
April 27

3,979
3,957
4,133
4,346

1,551

2,033
1,492

1,866
1,557

1,248

5,530
5,823

5,690
5,594

1 Source: General Managers' Association of New York, Daily
Report of Operating Conditions in New York Harbor.
2 Source: Association of American Railroads, Car Service

Division, Report of Carload Freight for Export

and Coastal Vessel Movement. Includes Searsport,

Portland, Boston, Providence, Philadelphia, Chester,
Wilmington, Del., Baltimore, and Norfolk (or Hampton

Roads).

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TELEGRAM SENT

PLAIN

May 2, 1940
AMEMBASSY,
LONDON.

804, second.
FOR BUTTER FORTH FROM THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY.

Following is the text of an address Secretary of the
Treasury is delivering 10:30 a.m., Eastern Standard Time,
May 3, at Washington:

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CK

-2- 804, May 2, to London.

"I am particularly pleased to be able to talk to
you today because I am in such hearty accord with the
purpose of this series of meetings, which I understand

to be Education for democracy. I applaud the initiative
and the public spirit of the leaders of the Women's
Division of the Democratic National Committee in making
this notable convention possible.

In considering your invitation it SEEMED to ME that

I might contribute most to stimulation of your thought on
the problems of democratic government by talking to you

about the money of the United States, and particularly
about gold. I have chosen this subject because I think

it is one in which all of you are interested; and it is
one about which you may be asked a good many questions
as the year proceeds.

One thing you will hardly need to be told about
our monstary system; that is, that the American dollar

is the soundest unit of currency in the world. Its value
is unquestioned here at home and it is not questioned

anywhere ElsE in the world. It is a solid rock of
strength and stability amid all the monetary confusion
created by aggression and war. It is more than a
domestic eurreney; it has become in the last few years
more and more an international currency. PEOPLE through-

-3- 804, May 2, to London
out the world who are driven by disaster and fear to

205

hoard currency prefer to hoard the currency of the
United States, when they can get it.
WE have tried through many means to facilitate

stability in the currencies of the world. An outstanding
Example is the Tripartite Accord which WE initiated in

September, 1936. In all, six of the leading democracies
of the world have subscribed to the principles of that
Accord. Unfortunately, the progress WE WERE making in the

field of international finance and trade has been
interrupted by the cataclysm in Europe.
OnE of the most striking developments of those

recent years has been the universal confidence in the
American dollar as one of the VERY few certain things

in a highly uncertain world.
Some of our citizens who admit the strength of the
dollar and the world's confidence in our currency now

suggest that confidence in our dollar has resulted in this
country receiving too much gold.
During the last 6 years WE have acquired about $10

billions of gold from abroad.
Why has so much gold COME to the United States?

In the first place, WE have Exported many billions
of dollars' worth of goods and SERVICES in EXCESS of the
amounts WE have imported, Secondly, large amounts of
foreign funds have COME to this country to be placed and

kept on deposit with our banks, ForEigners have sent
their funds here for safekeeping bECausE of the PEACE,

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stability, and security which this country enjoys.
Thirdly, foreigners have made large investments in
American industries because they regard American business

as a safe and profitable investment. Finally, Americans
have been withdrawing their funds from abroad and liquidating their forEign investments in large sums because
they prefer the dollar to any other currency.
It is for these reasons that WE have had so large
a favorable balance of payments; it is for these reasons
that gold has COME and is continuing to COME to the nited
States.

Gold moves from country to country not as a commod-

ity but as a means of payment, the one final medium through
which international settlements are made.
The continued acceptance of the gold that COMES

here is the only sound course of action open to us. There

are, it is true, other courses of action theoretically
possible, but they would all have disastrous consequences.
Take, for Example, the proposal so frequently made

to us that WE stop buying gold. It has the charm of

simplicity. All that WE have to do is to issue an
appropriate Treasury order. But let ME tell you what I
think would happen. Dollars abroad would instantly
become very scarce and more costly, and the foreigner
would find it much more EXPENSIVE to buy American goods.

For Example, the British pound, the Canadian dollar, the

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the French franc, the Dutch guilder would at ONCE

sharply deprEciate. A chain of forces would be set in
motion which would disrupt our trade, seriously discourage
what remains of world COMMERCE and remove from world

finance the strongest Element of stability.
The cessation of gold purchases would have the

following three immediate Effects of great importance
to us:

Firstly, the sale of American products in foreign
markets would be made much more difficult, This would

not apply so much to war materials, which foreign countries

want so urgently, but it would hit hard our export of
hundreds of agricultural and industrial comodities not
vital to the conduct of the wc.e. WE would lose heavily
in the very markets WE will badly need when the war is
over.

Secondly, there would result an immediate flood of
imports of cheapened foreign goods, which would deal an
OVEN more serious blow to labor, industry and agriculture
in America. The very items which compete with our domestic
products would deluge our home markets. Meat and dairy

products, textiles and hundreds of other articles would at
ONCE be subjected to greatly intensified competition from
abroad.

Thirdly, Americans who have investments abroad would

find that they had suffered substantial dollar losses

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overnight just as foreigners with investments here would
find that they had windfall going overnight.
So you SEE this simple remedy is, in Effect, a
proposal that would completely disrupt our foreign Exchanges
and our trade and greatly increase unemployment in this
country. And so with the other noive proposals which SOME
well-meaning citizens suggest as a remedy for our cccumulcting gold stocks.

Shall WE follow their advice and cut the price for
gold? A moderate cut would be ineffective, and a cut in

price sufficiently large to have a significant Effect on
the gold inflow would introduce the SOME conditions as

would follow prohibition of gold imports. This also would
cause a serious decrease in our trade and a big increase
in unemployment.

Shell WE, as SOME have suggested, discriminate

against certain countries in our purchases of gold? Such
a policy would not EVEN have the virtue of Effectiveness.
The active cooporation of practically the Entire world
would be required to prevent any one country's gold from
entering the world's markets and reaching the United States.
Obviously this would be impossible EVEN in normal times,

let alone at a time such as this. Besides, the value of
gold is proportionate to its unq unlified USE and
acceptance as an international medium of Exchange. To

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limit its acceptance would mean to reduce its usefulness.
There is yet another alternative which has always

been open to us. Instead of taking gold WE could have
granted credit. Americans could again have accumulated
huge unsettled claims abroad. WE have had EXPERIENCE with
that system -- EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE -- in the decade that

Ended with the Economic collapse of 1929. It is doubtful
that Americans would want to repeat that EXPERIENCE.
For the EXCESS of goods WE shipped and for the

dollar credits WE granted WE have taken gold in the last
six years instead of promissory notes. The phrast "good

as gold" still has real meaning in the world. I prefer
the gold to pieces of foreign paper. I think most Americans
agree with ME.

Our gold policy is carefully adjusted to the realities of a complex world situation. There have been many
glib suggestions for changing that policy. Excincinction of
Each of these suggestions has revealed, as in the Examples

I have mentioned, that in the Effort to remedy fancied
EVILS they would bring on real disaster.
Of course, should basic conditions alter, should WE
be confronted with new and unforESEEN Economic and poli-

tical developments, the government will necessarily take

such action as will best protect American interests. It

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is to be prepared for such contingencies that the powers
with respect to gold operations have been kept flexible.
The Treasury is constantly observing, analyzing and

studying the course of Events in their relation to monetary problems in which this country is interested. But
nothing has yet appeared which would warrant any change

in our gold policy.
There is only one sound way in which VE can work

to reduce the inflow of gold and to promote the return of

at least a part of the wealth it represents to useful
SERVICE in the lando from which it came. That GOT is to
do EVERYTHING in our power to contribute to the return of
PEOCE to the world and to Encourage rEconstruction and

the restoration of normal trade. With the restorction of
enduring PEACE and Economic stability abroad the gold

problem will solve itself. Our great export surplus
will drop--not bECausE WE shall sell less abroad but
OFCAUSE WE shall buy more. Foreign capital will be grad-

ually repatricted -- not because WE drive it out but
because it is attracted home by the reemergence of security
abroad. Our investors will once again invest their funds
abroad -- not because of the scarcity of opportunity at
home but because of greatly enhanced opportunities for
sound and profitable investments in other lands. And

finally our tourists will spend hundreds of millions more
in foreign countries.

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These are the developments which will automatically

and gradually direct the flow of gold away from the
United States. These are the developments upon which WE

must concentrate. WE must concentrate on the promotion
of further recovery here and PEACE and security abroad not

in order to correct the gold situation, but because
prosperity, PEACE and security are in themselves the

supreme Ends of governmental policy. That their attainment will also solve the world's gold problem in only a
by-product, but an important onE.

I should like finally to turn to the question of the
continued usefulness of the gold WE have and the gold WE

are going to get. This is a matter that is troubling
SOME people.

LET ME reassure you ONCE and for all. As long as

there are independent nations, and as long as there is

international trade in goods and services, so long will
it be necessary to settle international balances. Gold is
the international medium of Exchange par EXCELLENCE.

Its acceptability is universal; its utility as international
money survives changes in Economic systems. It is used
and needed just as much by the freest democracies as by the

most rigid dictatorships -- as much by capitalist
Economies as by socialist Economies. It is the refined

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instrument of international Exchange of goods and services,
as well as an ESSEntial ingredient in the more complex

international financial transactions -- an instrument
that has functioned without challenge for hundreds of

years. Every foreign country wishes it had more of it;

no foreign country likes to lose any of it; all countries
accumulate it as soon as they can afford to do so. And the.
fact that SOME countries find it possible to conduct their
international trade without gold does not mean that they
prEfer to do so any more than people reading by candle-

light do so because they prefer candles to Electricity.
Gold does not lose its value bECausE SOME countries

are forced to resort to clearing arrangements, barter,

import controls, and other substitutes. All these substitutes are admittedly worse alternatives. They are
methods of conducting trade and finance which will only
be adopted when c. country does not possess adequate gold

holdings. Governments resort wholly to these substitute
methods for keeping a country's balance of payments in

Equilibrium only during times of great and prolonged

stress and instability, and only when for one reason or
another they have been unable to prevent the loss of most

of thEir gold holdings. All countries would like to
have more gold, and the countries which have the least are,

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you will find, countries which are striving most to add
to their gold holdings, They do so because they know
that an adequate supply of gold promotes Economic

strength and furthers financial stability.
To be sure, if the political picture of the world
should undergo a drastic change in the future, so that
instead of fifty or sixty independent nations there should
Exist only one or two groups dominated by ruthless powers,
then international trade and finance may assume the
character of domestic trade. There would CEASE to be
independent monetary systems, as there would CEASE to be

independent foreign policies. Balances bEtwEEn countries
would be settled as balances between our states are now

settled -- that is, by transfers of deposits. Under such
circumstances it might well be that gold would no longer
be needed. But under those circumstances life would be

so different that the possible loss in the value of gold
would, I am sure, be the least of our troubles.
Certain governments may boast of the day when

independent domocracies will disappEar. I, for one, have
no fears that such boasts can be made good. I am as

confident that gold will continue to be used as the
medium of international payments as I am that the majority
of nations will SUCCEED in maintaining their independence.
With the return of PEACE and of normal Economic and

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political relationships, the present barriers to the free
flow of goods, capital, and SERVICES will be gradually

lowered, and gold will inevitably play its indispensable
role in making that result possible.
One word more -- the Exchange WE made and are making

in return for gold is a good bargain for us. It has
enabled us to increase Employment and recovery. It has

made possible the utilization of labor, capital, machinery
and resources that would otherwise have been idle. WE have
expanded our Exports and encouraged our domestic industry.
And, moreover, WE have at the SOME time acquired the safest

physical asset in the world.
There are SOME sincere pEople who have been dis-

turbed by stories that this country had C. monetary policy
that threatens to CAUSE loss to the nation. If you meet
such people I hope you will reassure them. You may tell

them that the greatest and richest country of the world
has the best and soundest monetary system and that there

is no reason to fear that it will not remain sound.
WE can feel entirely comfortable in the possession
of C. supply of gold with which WE can meet future demands
on our monetary system without any shock to our Economy.

WE can be prepared also to play the part VE ought to play

in

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in the reconstruction of the world that must follow the
SENSElESS destruction of war."

WELLES, Acting.
(HF)

EA:FL:MEG

SEND SAME TO: Paris as Department's 329, second, for

Matthews from the Secretary of the Treasury.

Berlin as Department's 1141, S Econd, for
Heath from the Secretary of the Treasury.

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JR

London

Dated May 2, 1940

Rec'd 1:30 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

1104, May 2.
FOR TREASURY FROM BUTTERFORTH.

1. Even SOME of the initial supporters of Sir
John Simon's budget proposals are developing into

critics. For instance now the TIMES in an Editorial
states that the Chancellor of the Exchequer "has to
explain why hs Estimates our war EXPENDITURE during

the current year at the alarmingly low figure of
pounds 2,000 million". The TIMES also takes the view

that the reasons for supposing that the rate of voluntary
lending will be adequate have yet to be clearly
demonstrated. The Editorial concludes: "Indeed the
more the budget is studied the more it appears to be

provisional both in its details and in its spirit and
the more likely does another budget in the near future
appear to DE."

2. In the course of a conversation the British
Treasury reviewed the status of its clearing and payments
agreements

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agreementss as follows: clearing agreements: (a)
Spcin (recently concluded), (b) Italy (changes under

negotiation), (c) Turkey (will work well for a while),
(d) Rumania (changes under negotiation).
Payments agreements have been concluded with (a)

Sweden, (b) Norway (which is being patched up to fit
the existing circumstances), (c) Denmark (no longer

operative), (d) Argentine. There is a temporary arrangement with Yugoslavia and it is hoped to negotiate a more
formal agreement. There are also arrangements with
Uruguay to Ensure that the proceeds of imports from
Uruguay are spent in the United Kingdom and the sterling

area. There is a similar arrangement with Bulgaria to
Ensure that the bulk of the proceeds of importo from
Bulgaria a.re spent in the United Kingdom and the sterling
area and an arrangement with Hungary providing for a

smoller proportion. It is the intention of the British
Treasury to continue to MAKE payments agreements of

one type or another, formal or informal as soon 0.0
possible.
KENNEDY
DDH

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GRAY

JT

PARIS

Dated May 2, 1940

Rec'd 4:22 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

566, May 2, 7 p.m. (SECTION ONE)
FOR THE TREASURY.

Additional changes in the Exchange control regulations
are embodied in two decrees and an arrete published in

today's Journal Official. The wording of Article II of
the basic decree of September 9 prohibiting and regulating

in time of war the Export of capital, foreign Exchange
operations and trading in gold (SEE despatch No. 5105,
September 18, 1939) is amended so as to add to the operations which the Government may regulate by decree "all

cessions and arbitrages of foreign Exchange and currencies,

hypothecations relating to real or personal properties or
rights Existent abroad."
BULLITT
LMS

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GRAY

JT

PARIS

Dated May 2, 1940

Rec'd 4:52 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

566, May 2, 7 p.m. (SECTION TWO)

Hitherto these regulatory powers were limited to operations
relating to foreign stocks and bonds and other foreign property titles or EVIDENCE of indebtedness. A member of my

staff called upon Dhavernas to inquire as to the reason for
this change in wording. Dhavernas, who had assisted in
drafting the measure, said that the change was needed in

order to give the foreign Exchange office "legal authority"
to regulate these additional operations. HE pointed out
that the instructions which have been issued by the office
in regard to cessions and arbitrages of foreign exchange
and transactions in real and personal property situated
abroad WERE in the form of notices to its "approved intermediaries" and hence did not possess the full legal basis
of a decree.
BULLITT
LMS

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GRAY

JT

PARIS

Dated May 2, 1940

Rec'd 5:24 P.M.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

566, May 2, 7 p.m. (SECTION THREE)

The decree of September 9 fixing the terms of application as amended of the afore mentioned decree (SEE

Embassy's telegram No. 467, April 12, 7 p.m.) is canceled
and replaced by a new one. The principal changes Embodied

in it are that nationals of Francewho reside in the
country (including foreign corporations, companies, Et
octera, in so far as their establishments in France are
concerned) are forbidden: (a) to Effect Either in France
or abroad, arbitrage operations with belgas, Canadian
dollars, United States dollars, Portuguese Escudos, Dutch

florins, Dutch East Indies florins, Luxemburg francs,
Swiss francs, and Argentine pesos (known as "A" foreign

correncies; (b) to carry on operations abroad relating forsign stocks and bonds issued or quoted in Argentina, Belgium,
Canada, United States, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Portugal,

Switzerland, and the Tangier International Zone ( known as

"D" countries); (c) to carry on any operations in France in
"D" foreign securities when the prospective purchaser is a
foreigner residing in France,
BULLITT
NK:LHS

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GRAY

JT

PARIS

Dated liny 2, 1940
Rec'd 4:55 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

566, May 2, 7 p.m. (SECTION FOUR)

In commenting on these changes, Dhavernas said that

the decree dated April 9 forbidding all arbitrages in foreign
Exchange with other foreign Exchange (SEE Embassy's

telegram No. 467, April 12, 7 p.m.) had been "put through
in a hurry" and had been found to be "too harsh HENCE it
was now amended so as to apply only to arbitrages with

"A" foreign currencies. HE added: "VE do not care whether
or not arbitrages are carried on between foreign currencies

of minor importance". Similarly, he said that the Foreign
Exchange office wished to control the activities of French

nationals in "D" foreign securities but that it had little
interest in regard to their activities in other foreign
securities.
BULLITT
NK:LMS

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GRAY

JT

PARIS

Dated May 2, 7 p.m.

Rec'd 5:18 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington,

566, May 2, 7 p.m. (SECTION FIVE)

The Embassy has received numerous inquiries during the

day on American stockbrokers having offices in Paris who

consider that Article I paragraph one of today's decree
fixing the terms of application of the above mentioned
decree of September 9, would force them to stop taking orders
from Americans and other foreigners residing in France to buy
or sell securities on the NEW York stock Exchange. This

paragraph provides that "the acquisition of real or personal
property and of any rights whatEver situated abroad or
EXPRESSED in foreign currencies unless CEdEd by persons

referred to in Article III (i.e. residents of France) and
unless the operation be carried out on French territory"
shall be considered as Exports of capital and hence prohibited unless authorized by the Minister of Finance.
This wording is Exactly the same as that appearing in the
original decree of September 9, 1939 which thus far has not
prevented brokers from carrying out orders in behalf of
foreigners

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foreigners residing in France. Furthermore, Dhavernas
stated that the French Government did not intend to stop
foreign residents of France from purchasing dollar securities on NEW York provided such securities WERE purchased

with pre-war dollar balances held in NEW York or through

the reinvestment of foreign securities.
BULLITT

JRL:LMS

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GRAY
JT

PARIS

Dated May 2, 1940

Rec'd 5 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

566, May 2, 7 p.m. (SECTION SIX)

The arrete of November 30, describing prohibited or
authorized operations (Embassy's telegram No. 457, April
12, 7 p.m.) is canceled and replaced by a new arrete which
embodies the various changes in the Exchange control regu-

lations referred to above.
Presunably in order to decrease the consumption of

sugar, a decree appearing in today's Journal Official
provides that saccharine may be used in the manufacture of

sparkling wines, dessert wines, cider, spirits, liqueurs
(EXCEPT those prepared for Export) lemonades and drinks of

coffee and tea.
A Bank of France statement for April 25, which was

published today, shows no further advances to the state
while the note circulation declined 158,000,000 francs.
Deposits in National (Postal) Savings Banks during
the period April 1 .. 15, amounted to 368,000,000 francs
and withdrawals, 231,000,000. The EXCESS of deposits OVER
withdrawals

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withdrawals since January 1 has been over 1,000,000,000
francs.

The securities market turned upward today and re-

covered a large part of yesterday's losses.
(END OF MESSAGE)

BULLITT
JVR:LHS

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER-OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE May 2, 1940
Secretary Morgenthau
TO

CONFIDENTIAL

FROM Mr. Cochran

The foreign exchange market was quiet today. Sterling, after opening at
3.49-1/2, moved up to a high of 3.50-5/8 in the mid-morning and then returned to
3.49-3/4 by noontime. A slightly easier tendency was in evidence during the afternoon and sterling touched a low of 3.48-1/2 at the close.
Sales of spot sterling by the six reporting banks totaled 1403,000, from

the following sources:

I 232,000
I 171,000

By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Europe and Near East)

Total L 403,000

Purchases of spot sterling amounted to 1255,000, as indicated below:
By commercial concerns

By foreign banks (Far East, Europe and South America) Total

L 133,000
L 122,000
L 255,000

The following reporting banks sold cotton bills totaling 147,000 to the
British Control on the basis of the official rate of 4.02-1/2:
L 38,000 by the Irving Trust Company
5,000 by the Guaranty Trust Company

3,000 by the Chase National Bank
1,000 by the Bankers Trust Company

I 47,000 Total

The other important currencies closed as follows:
French france
Guilders
Swiss francs

.0197-1/2

Belgas

.1682

.5309

.2242-1/2

Canadian dollars 15-1/4% discount

The rate for the Swedish krona has exhibited a firm tendency in the last
few days and today it was quoted at .2383.

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The Shanghai yuan rate fell one full cent in Shanghai today, from 5-31/32#
4-31/32* The yuan also depreciated in terms of sterling, moving off 3/4d to
3-1/44 as against the previous post-September low of 4d. This currency has
received frequent support from a Shanghai control group during the last three or
four years. We were informed that this control had stepped out of the Shanghai
to

exchange market today. One New York banker expressed the opinion that it was
primarily Japanese speculative selling of the yuan against sterling which accounted
for the pressure on the former currency. Other market opinion appears to be

divided in regard to today's withdrawal of the Shanghai control. According to

cable advice which we received from Shanghai a few days ago, majority opinion

in Chinese financial circles was to the effect that a large import excess was
likely in the next two months and that this would result in a lower yuan rate.

A news despatch received from Shanghai today also states the market belief that
China's continuous unfavorable trade balance led the control to allow the yuan
to find a new level which would be easier to maintain. A news report from London,
on the other hand, notes that London banking circles point to recent satisfactory
Chinese Customs returns as evidence that China's trade does not warrant a fall in

the currency. The belief is therefore held in London that the withdrawal of the
exchange control from support of the yuan in all probability represents a strategic
BOVO in the face of a wave of speculative selling.
There were no gold transactions consummated by us today.
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported the following shipments of
gold:

8,431,000 from Canada, representing two shipments from Vancouver by the Bank
of Canada to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, for account

of the Bank of England, for sale to the U. S. Mint.
5,520,000 from Italy, shipped by the Bank of Italy for its own account to the
Federal Reserve Bank of New York, for sale to the U. S. Assay Office.

$13,951,000 Total

The State Department forwarded to us cables stating that the following
gold shipments would be made:

$2,728,000 from Italy, shipped by the Bank of Italy to the Federal Reserve Bank
of New York.

1,760,000 from England, shipped by the Chase National Bank, London, to the
Federal Reserve Bank of New York, probably for account of the Central

Bank of Bolivia. (Both of the shipments recently made by the Chase
National Bank, London. to the Federal were for account of the Bolivian
Bank.)

45,000 from England, shipped by the National City Bank, London, to its head
office in New York.
28,000 from England, shipped by Westminster Bank, London. to the Chase National
Bank, New York.

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17,000 from England, shipped by the Westminster Bank, London, to the
Irving Trust Company, New York.

5,000 from England, shipped by S. Japhet and Company, London, to the
National City Bank, New York.
4,000 from England, shipped by S. Japhet and Company, London, to Jules
and Anna Vischniak, New York.

$4,587,000 Total

The disposition of the first two shipments listed above is unknown at the present
time, and the others will be sold to the U. S. Assay Office at New York.
The Bombay spot silver quotation was slightly lower at an equivalent of
42.25

In London, the prices fixed for spot and forward silver both rose 1/16d

to 21-1/2d and 21-3/88 respectively. The U. S. equivalents were 33.81$ and
33.35

Handy and Harman's settlement price for foreign silver was unchanged at
34-3/40. The Treasury's purchase price for foreign silver was also unchanged
at 35

We made five purchases of silver totaling 3,007,000 ounces of silver under
the Silver Purchase Act. Of this amount, 250,000 ounces represented sales from

inventory, and the remaining 2,757,000 ounces consisted of new production from

foreign countries, for forward delivery.

M.R.

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May 2, 1940
11:13 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Jesse Jones. There you are.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Jesse

Jones:

Hello, Henry.

H.M.Jr:

How's Jesse?

J:

How are you?

H.M.Jr:

O. K.

J:

Now let me see, I had one or two things to talk

H.M.Jr:

to you about.

Well, I'll lend you some money if you want it
at the usual rate, 5 per cent.

J:

Oh, 5 per cent.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah.

J:

10 per cent so the -- so the Fortune said that I

was 10 per cent Jones.
H.M.Jr:
J:

H.M.Jr:
J:

(Laughs) I see.

I think they kind of raised the rate on me.
Well, I lend it to you at 5 and you can re-lend
it at 10, that's good business.
That's right. I wanted to see you sometime, if
I could, I think, this afternoon about some
possible legislation, about how we're going to
give you that money.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

J:

And so forth and so on.

H.M.Jr:

How would four o'clock be?

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J:

That would suit me.

H.M.Jr:

Can I have Dan and Foley here?

J:

I'd like for you to, yeah.

H.M.Jr:

I'll have Dan and Foley here.

J:

O. K.

H.M.Jr:

I'll be glad to see you.

J:

Goodbye.

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May 2, 1940
11:57 a.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Dr. Viner is ready.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

0:

There you are.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Jacob

Viner:

Hello.

H.M.Jr:

Jake?

V:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

My people are here that are helping me on this
talk and you're on the loudspeaker.

V:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Any suggestions, criticisms, et cetera, et cetera?

V:

Did you get my wire?

H.M.Jr:

No.

V:

Why, I sent you a wire through the Secret Service.

H.M.Jr:
V:

(Laughs) Wait a minute, let me......
And they said they'd get it right through.

H.M.Jr:

Here comes -- here comes Mr. McKay now. I've got

V:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Do you mind if I read this out loud to my crowd?

V:

No.

H.M.Jr:

Just be a good boy for a minute, please.

V:

Yes.

it here. Can you hold on a minute?

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Jr:

(Reads Viner's wire aside to group.)
Well, Jake
Yes.

V:

H.M.Jr:

from you I would say that is one of the

highest
compliments any speech of mine has ever
received.

V:

That's fine.

H.M.Jr:

So -- do you know what Harry White said?

V:

No.

H.M.Jr:

Always from now on our contact should be by teletype.

(Laughs) Well, I -- I think it would have been just

V:

H.M.Jr:

the same in any other form.
I know. Well, I'm ever 80 much obliged. I appreciate -- I hope I didn't inconvenience you.

Not at all.

V:

H.M.Jr:

V:

H.M.Jr:

Jake, for your own information, I'm going to be
in Chicago Saturday and Sunday and I'd like to
have a chance to say hello.
Will you have dinner with us Saturday night?
I don't know what Henry is arranging. Would you -could I find out from him?

V:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Supposing I -- I'll send him a

V:

H.M.Jr:

Henry.
What?

It would include Henry.
H.M.Jr:

Of course. I will send him a telegram.

V:

All right.

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H.M.Jr:

That's very kind -- if I can't -- if he has made
some other
maybe
I can arrangements I'll tell you and then

V:

H.M.Jr:
V:

All right. I'd like to see you anyway.
I'd like to see you and Mrs. Viner.
All right.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you, Jake.

V:

You're welcome.

H.M.Jr:

Goodbye.

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May 2, 1940
12:13 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

Captain Harry Collins.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

0:

Go ahead, please.

H.M.Jr:

Harry

Harry

Collins:

Good morning, sir.

H.M.Jr:

I haven't read any memorandums in two days. You
may have sent me one. What about those Pratt and
Whitney engines that

C:

H.M.Jr:

Mr. Secretary, I've been working steadily on that.
I had quite a session yesterday with Wilson.
You're not ready to report yet?

C:

No, sir, I am not because

H.M.Jr:

Well, you're not
Major Lyons -- Major Lyone 18 at Dayton

C:

this morning. Brett has been out of town and only

got back last night, sir.

H.M.Jr:

But you're not ready?

0:

I'm not ready on the answer, sir.

H.M.Jr:

0. K.

C:

All right, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

C:

Anything today?

H.M.Jr:

No. No, I called off Purvis.

C:

Aye, aye, sir.

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C:

I'm doing a speech.
Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

I got it out of my system.

C:

Yes, sir. Well, I'm working on another matter that

H.M.Jr:

I'll have for you as soon as I can get some more
dope out on it.
H.M.Jr:
C:

All right. Thank you.
You're welcome, sir. Goodbye.

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May 2, 1940
3:33 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

I have Colonel Burns.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

0:

You' re welcome. Go ahead, please.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Burns:

Hello, Mr. Secretary. This is Colonel Burns.

H.M.Jr:

Right. Have you heard from General Watson?

B:

About what, sir?

H.M.Jr:

About my going to Allison?

B:

Yes, sir. Yes, sir, I've heard from him and we're
planning on being there early Monday morning.

H.M.Jr:

Right. Now, will you let Allison know that I'm
coming?

B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

Yes, sir.
I think the man's name out there is Evans.

Evans, yes. Well, he's the Vice President of the
General Motors and Kreuser is the man out there,
but anyhow we'll let everybody concerned know.

H.M.Jr:

Right.

B:

At what hour will you be there, Mr. Secretary?

H.M.Jr:

Well, what I figured on, I ought to get there

between nine and ten -- I don't know what time

they're on. Is it -- are they on -- they are an

hour ahead of us here, aren't they?
B:

Yes, sir. Well, hold on here. That's time ordinarily
is one hour behind us but they're probably on daylight saving 80 I suppose it will be about the same.

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H.M.Jr:

Well,
I'll try
and get there -- it's midwest, isn't
it, Central
Time?
Yes, sir.

B:

H.M.Jr:

I'll try and get there between nine and ten. Now,

if you could -- if I could -- if you could let

Lieutenant McKay, who will be with me, who is here
in the Treasury now, if you could let him know
today or tomorrow who to advise.
B:

Yes, sir. We will.

H.M.Jr:

When we take off from Chicago we could phone some-

B:

body, you see?

Yes, sir. We will. I'll make all the arrangements

with Lieutenant McKay then.
H.M.Jr:

Will you? And also tell him what airport to land on.
I'11 be coming by plane, in my own plane, from

Chicago.
B:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

What airport to land on and we could when we take

B:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:
B:

off from Chicago we could have someone phone.

I'm not particularly anxious for publicity.
All right, we'll keep it all under cover, Mr.
Secretary.

H.M.Jr:
B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

As best we can. Now, I thought on the way back -General Brett will be with us, won't he?
Yes, sir.

That I'd like to stop at Dayton.
Yes, sir. He's hoping you will do that.
Yeah, I'd like to do that.
Yes, sir.

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B:

H.M.Jr:

B:

H.M.Jr:

And he'll have all the figures I suppose of the
orders
that
the rest
of they
that.have and how far behind and all

Yes, sir. We'll have all of that.
Fine. Thank you. I'll look forward to seeing you

Monday.

All right, sir, we'll be there.
And Lieutenant McKay will be with me. He knows

where I'm staying in Chicago and if you wouldn't
mind contacting him. You know him, he's outside
in my reception room.

B:

Yes, sir. Yes, sir, we'll be in touch with him.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you.

B:

All right, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Goodbye.

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3:37 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

Operator:

General
Brett
of the office for a few minutes.
Can
I have
him is
callout
you?

H.M.Jr:

If you please.
Yes, sir.

0:

3:42 p.m.

H.M.Jr:

Hello.

General

Brett:

How are you, Mr. Morgenthau?

H.M.Jr:

Fine.

B:

Good.

H.M.Jr:

Am I going to have the pleasure of your company

B:

I have already requested my orders. I am leaving
here Sunday afternoon, into Dayton that afternoon,

and over to Indianapolis, I'll be there at eight.

H.M.Jr:

Wonderful.

B:

On the sixth.

H.M.Jr:

Monday, the sixth.

B:

Yeah.

H.M.Jr:

And I hope to stop at Dayton on the way back.
That's what I'm planning for you to do.

B:

H.M.Jr:

Fine. Is there more than one airport at Indianapolis?

B:

Yes, sir. You land at the Municipal Airport.

H.M.Jr:

Municipal Airport.

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B:

Yes,
andyou.
if you'll wire Kreuser before leaving,
he
willsir,
meet

H.M.Jr:

Well, I spoke to Colonel Burns because evidently

B:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

the White House spoke to him.

And I asked him to let Lieutenant McKay know who I
should notify.

Yes, sir. Then it will be very well.

B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

H.M.Jr:

B:

Because he'11 be with me, but he's here now and

Well, if you -- have you any idea right now exactly
the time you'll land at Indianapolis?
Well, I figure it will be somewhere around, between
nine and ten Daylight Saving.
Between nine and ten Daylight Saving.

H.M.Jr:

Yeah.

B:

Okey-doke. Well, I'll see that you are met.

H.M.Jr:

I'll be coming from Chicago.

B:

You'llbe coming from Chicago between nine and ten

H.M.Jr:

Daylight Saving on Monday, and I will see that they
meet you and I'll be there waiting for you.
Well, that isn't necessary.

B:

Well, I'll

H.M.Jr:

But we'll.

B:

I'11 plan to be there. I'll plan to be there at

nine -- eight or nine and
H.M.Jr:

Well, we'll phone when we take off from Chicago.

B:

All right, sir.

H.M.Jr:

I'll have somebody phone.

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B:

B:

Who'll they phone to?
What's that?

H.M.Jr:

Who should they phone to?

H.M.Jr:

Why, to the -- to Mr. Kreuser -- K-r-e-u-s-e-r.

B:

Allison Engineering, Indianapolis.

H.M.Jr:

Allison Engineering, Indianapolis. Well, that's

B:

easy and it's a Municipal Airport.
Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I think we'll have a good trip.

B:

H.M.Jr:
B:

H.M.Jr:

Yes, sir.
I'm

Then I'm counting on you going back to the Division
with me. That is going back to the Division and
taking a look there.
Oh, definitely.

B:

Right.

H.M.Jr:

I want to do that.

B:

Yes, sir.

H.M.Jr:

Thank you 80 much.

B:

Thank you.

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at 12:25.
follows:

The Secretary talked with General Watson

The gist of his conversation was as

HM, Jr referred to his speech on gold and
said that the President had approved it and was de-

lighted with it.

handle:

He then said he had two things for him to

(1) HM,Jr was going to visit the Allison
Engine Company at Indianapolis on this coming Monday.

He would like to have General Brett make the visit
with him. Colonel Burns should go also if Assistant
Secretary Johnson wanted him to go. Secretary Morgenthau will go from Chicago and be at Allison at
9 a.m., Monday morning.

(2) The U. S. Navy has a contract with

Du Pont for 2,500,000 pounds of powder. HM,Jr
was told yesterday during his visit to Indian Head
that by putting on 175 more men there, to make two
shifts, they could manufacture 2,500,000 pounds more
powder at Indian Head. They are only working one
shift there now. If they put on this second shift
the Navy then can tell Du Pont to release 2,500,000
pounds of powder to the English. The President had

O. K'd this this morning. It will be available

within 30 days, that is, available as of June 1,1940.
HM,Jr was down there yesterday and Assistant Secretary Compton and Admiral Furlong approved, but want

the President to tell them to do it.

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May 1, 1940

The Secretary brought this material back
with him today from a visit to Indian Head.

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5/1/40
Indian Head, N.P.G. & P.F. 6-13-32 500)

MANUFACTURE OF SMOKELESS POWDER
NAVAL POWDER FACTORY, INDIAN HEAD, MD.
1. PICKING AND DRYING HOUSE (COTTON).
The cotton used is cellulose in the form of cotton waste, shredded cotton rags, or
short fibres from the cotton seed hulls, which has been given a through chemical treatment before receipt. This purified cotton is received in large, compressed bales with

burlap or paper covering. The bales are broken open and sections carried to the
PICKER: The cotton is placed upon the apron of the picker, which conducts it
between two horizontal toothed cylinders revolving at high speed in opposite directions,
pulling in between them the cotton, tearing apart the knots and tangled lumps and
then forcing the cotton to the DRIERS.
DRIERS: The driers have an endless, galvanized-iron, screen belt of coarse mesh
which carries the cotton along slowly in the path of air currents heated to about 200°F.
The cotton passes thru the dryer in about 20 minutes, the moisture being reduced from

about 7% to 1%. The cotton is weighed into cans and when cooled, carried to the
NITRATING HOUSE.

2. NITRATING HOUSE.
NITRATION: Two cans of cotton (32 lbs.) are emptied into a nitrating pot which
contains 1600 lbs. mixed acid (sulfuric and nitric) at 33°C. The pots have revolving
paddles which give a thorough agitation of the cotton and acid for 20 minutes. The cotton
is converted into nitrocellulose containing approximately 12.60% nitrogen. This is called

in the Navy "pyrocellulose". The charge (nitrocellulose and excess acid) is then run
into a centrifugal wringer, below the dipping pot, where most of the spent acid is
separated and later strengthened with fresh acid (fortifying) for use again. The nitrated
cotton is caught in the basket whence it is forked into a trough of running water which
carries it to the BOILING TUBS.
3. BOILING TUBS:
These are cylindrical wooden tubs in which the nitrocellulose is boiled 40 hours
with 5 changes of water, then carried to the

4. PULPING AND POACHING HOUSE:
Here it is cut to a fine condition between knife edges in a PULPER and then
further purified by 12 hours boiling with 8 changes of water and 10 cold water washings
in POACHING TUBS holding 7200 lbs. of nitrocellulose. Each poacher charge represents a lot of nitrocellulose, is given a number and samples taken for chemical tests.
After SCREENING to remove coarse material, the nitrocellulose is pumped to the
DEHYDRATING HOUSE.

5. DEHYDRATING HOUSE:
The excess water is removed by the DEWATERER AND CENTRIFUGAL
WRINGERS leaving about 26% moisture in the nitrocellulose. In this condition it goes
to the DEHYDRATING PRESSES which press out the water replacing it with sufficient

95% alcohol for making the desired colloid when the ether is mixed with it in the
MIXING HOUSE. A considerable quantity of dilute alcohol is collected from the
dehydrating presses and sent back to the ether plant for recovery of the alcohol.
6. ETHER HOUSE:

The alcohol is obtained by purchase. The ether is made from alcohol by the
action of sulfuric acid on the alcohol at a temperature of 130°C. The ether is washed
and purified in the distillation. All alcohol and ether residues recovered are here
redistilled and made ready for use again.

At present (1940) ETHER is also obtained by purchase as

it is cheaper to buy on contract than to manufacture.

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Page 2.

7. MIXING HOUSE:
The dehydrated blocks are brought to the mixing house in covered cans and
dropped into the revolving cylindrical screen of the BLOCK BREAKER where the
blocks are thoroughly broken up and screened without appreciable loss of alcohol. The
fine material is then immediately carried to the MIXERS where ether, carrying sufficient
diphenylamine to make .50% of the dry nitrocellulose, is added and the material kneaded
in the mixers until a proper colloid is obtained. This colloid is pressed into a block and
carried to the PRESS HOUSE.

8. PRESS HOUSE:

STRAINER (MACARONI) PRESS: This is a hydraulic press having in the bottom of
the cylinder a brass plate thru which the colloid is forced coming out in macaroni-like
strings. These strings are caught in the cylinder of a press below and reblocked to be
carried to the die press.

DIE PRESS: In the die press, the powder is forced thru a die carrying pins of proper
size for perforations and emerges in the form of a continuous cord which passes to a
revolving disk CUTTER which cuts the cord into grains of proper length. A different
size die is used for the different calibers of powder. There is now a considerable excess
of solvent (ether-alcohol) in the powder grains which is removed by drying in the
SOLVENT RECOVERY AND DRY HOUSE.
9. SOLVENT RECOVERY:

50

The powder is placed in cans (3300 lbs. per can) thru which a continuous circula-

tion of warm air at C is made. This gradually takes up much of the excess
solvent which is then condensed in refrigerating coils and collected in tanks for separation at the ether plant. The powder is run out from the cans and carried in boxes to
the POWDER PICKING HOUSE.
10. POWDER PICKING HOUSE:
The powder is poured, a few boxes at a time, upon long tables with screen tops
and carefully picked over by hand to remove all grains that are abnormal in size or
appearance. The poor grains are sent to the reworking plant. The good powder is
carried in boxes to the DRY HOUSES.

11. DRY HOUSES:

50°

The powder is dried in bins by a circulation of warm air at not more than #°C
until the volatiles reach the amount required by the Navy specifications. This requires
from 3 to 8 months depending upon the size of the powder. It then has to be blended
and packed.

12. BLENDING TOWER:
The lots vary in amount from 25,000 lbs. to 500,000 lbs. depending on the caliber
of the powder. To make a lot uniform, it is blended by passing by gravity from bins
in the upper (4th) floor of the blending tower over a distributing cone into bins on the
3rd floor. When it has all collected on this floor, it is again passed over a similar cone
and collected in bins on the second floor, from which the powder is run into boxes

standing on platform scales for weighing. A five jar sample is taken for complete
chemical tests at the laboratory.

13. PACKING AND STORAGE:
The boxes used are tested, galvanized iron or zine-lined wooden boxes with rubbergasketed, metal covers, nearly all of which hold 110 lbs. of powder. Each lot of powder
is given a designation, stencilled on the box, showing where it was made and the serial
number of the lot of this particular caliber.

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For example: IHHA Lot 40 means powder manufactured at Indian Head (IH)
14'/50 (HA) cal. gun and that it is lot 40 of this particular caliber. Various letters
such as D for DuPont, I for International, etc., designate the different manufacturers.
The last one or two letters indicate the caliber and are published in a table in the
powder specifications, for example, H stands for a 14'/45, H.A. for a 14'/50;C stands
for 6*/40, C.B. for 6' /50, C.C. for 6'/53, etc.
14. PROOF AND DISPOSITION:
for

A firing sample for proof at Dahlgren is selected from the lot of powder and the
balance stored in a magazine until ordered shipped by the Bureau of Ordnance. On
acceptance, the Bureau gives the lot of powder a service index number which is assigned

in regular numerical sequence in the order of acceptance. These indexes are also
designated by certain letters, for example SPDW 2132. The SP indicates smokeless
powder, the D stands for diphenylamine (showing it is a stabilized powder,) the W
stands for reworked; the number is the index number. Other letters used are R for
rosaniline (used in 1908-09 as a colored indicator of the stability of the powder but has
since been abandoned) B for a blend of two or more indexes, X for water dried (instead
of the usual air drying), and F for flashless powder.
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