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May 11, 1939

My dear Mr. President:

Mr. Hanes, Mr. Bell and I met with Mr. Jean

Monnet Monday night, at my house, and discussed the
French debt to the United States.

The French pre-armistice cash loans, as you
will notice from the inclosed statement, amounted

to $1,970,000,000. Her post-armistice debt for

cash loans amounted to $1,027,000,000, and for war

These figures
and relief supplies, $407,000,000.
represent the original debts and do not take into
consideration the accrued and unpaid interest nor

repayments made by France before and after refund-

ing of its debt.

If we should follow the very tentative suggestion
of Mr. Monnet and forgive the pre-armistice debt of
$1,970,000,000, this would leave France still owing

us $1,434,000,000.

Mr. Monnet's thought was that we might arrange
some barter deal for the $407 7,000,000 of war and relief supplies, leaving a net $1,027,000,000 to be
repaid us in cash.

If we should follow through with Mr. Monnet's
suggestion and take up the British debt, we find that
their pre-armistics cash loans amounted to $3,696,000,000
and their post-armistics cash loans only $581,000,000.
Therefore, I Faise the question at this time, before
we proceed further with Mr. Monnet, whether it would
be feasible to apply the Monnet formula to the British
and other Governmental debts to the United States.
Mr. Monnet has grave doubts as to the wisdom of
raising the French debt question at this time and we
share his doubts.

173

Mr. Monnet is waiting to hear from me and I
shall
be conversations.
glad to have your views before proceeding
in these

Faithfully yours,

The President,
The White House.

174

May 11, 1939

ity dear Mr. President:

Mr. Hanes, Mr. Bell and I met with Mr. Jean
Monnet Monday night, at my house, and discussed the
French debt to the United States.
The French pre-armistice cash loans, as you
will notice from the inclosed statement, amounted

to $1,970,000,000. Her post-armistice debt for
cash loans amounted to $1,027,000,000, and for war
and relief supplies, $407,000,000. These figures
represent the original debts and do not take into
consideration the accrued and unpaid interest nor

repayments made by France before and after refund-

ing of its debt.
If we should follow the very tentative suggestion
of Mr. Monnet and forgive the pre-armistice debt of
$1,970,000,000, this would leave France still owing

us $1,434,000,000.

Mr. Monnet's thought was that we might arrange
some barter deal for the $407 1000,000 of war and re-

lief supplies, leaving a net $1,027,000,000 to be
repaid us in cash.

If we should follow through with Mr. Monnet's
suggestion and take up the British debt, we find that
their pre-armistics cash loans amounted to $3,696,000,000
and their post-armistics cash loans only $581,000,000.
Therefore, I raise the question at this time, before
we proceed further with Mr. Monnet, whether it would
be feasible to apply the Monnet formula to the British
and other Governmental debts to the United States.

Mr. Monnet has grave doubts as to the wisdom of
share his doubts.

raising the French debt question at this time and we

175

Mr. Monnet is waiting to hear from me and I
shall
be conversations.
glad to have your views before proceeding
in
these

Faithfully yours,

The President,
The White House.

whome
My dear Mr. President:

176

anging

the That

Mr. Hanes, Mr. Bell and I met with Mr. Jean Monnet nov
Monday night at my house and discussed the French debt to
the United States.

The French pre-Armistice cash loans, as you will
notice from the inclosed statement, amounted to $1,970,000,000.
Her post-Armistice debt for cash loans amounted to
$1,027,000,000/ and for war and relief, supplies, $407,000,000.

Therefigines
do var
take the
intovery
consideration
the refarments made
If we should
follow
tentative suggestion
by Frame

of Mr. Monnet and forgive the pre-Armistice debt of

before and

$1,970,000,000, this would leave France still owing us after refunda.
$1,434,000,000.

Mr. Monnet's thought was that we might arrange some

barter deal for the $407,000,000 of war and relief supplies,
leaving a net $1,027,000,000 to be repaid us in cash.
If we should follow through with Mr. Monnet's suggestion and take up the British debt, we find that their
pre-Armistice cash loans amounted to $3,696,000,000 and

their post-Armistice cash loans only $581,000,000. There-

fore, I raise the question at this time, before we proceed
further with Mr. Monnet, whether it would be feasible to
apply the Monnet formula to the British and other Govern-

mental debts to the united state.
Mr. Monnet has grave doubts as to the wisdom of

his doubt
raising the French debt question at this time and we share

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in his opinion.

Mr. Monnet 18 waiting to hear from me and I shall
be glad to have your views before proceeding any further
in these conversations.

Respectfully yours,

STATEMENT SHOWING AMOUNT OF FOREION TO THE
UNITED STATES UNDER TARIOUS CLASSIFICATIONS

(In thousands of dollars)

Prearmistics
cash loans

obligations

lief supplies

originally

-

Extents

-

-

Fialand

1,970,000

France

Germany (Austrian indebtainess)

-

--

3,696,000

Great Britain

-

Greece

1,031,000

Italy
Latvis

-

Lithmania
Poland

Busania

10,605

Tugoslavis

6,879,385

Total

24,066

24,056

617,034

-

25,000
16,175

2,533,263

13,999
8,282

64,689

202,182

4,277,000
27,167

1,686

-

--

3,404,819

-

--

--

8,282

-

377,030
91,880

-

407,341

1,686

1,648,034

--

-

refunded

Principal

Interest

Principal

Interest

14,490

26,600
17,670

43,356

364

417,780
135,071
16,466

17,100
19,830

4,309

38,550

1,247

9,000

4,025,000

161,350

24,056

24,615

863

4,074,818

4,600,000

232,000

1,232,770

202,000

27,164

981

1,897

5,440

1,686

32,497
1,983

74

423

1,647,570

2,042,000

37,100

5,767

80,200

621

346

12,945
1,420
1,230

150

46,065

5,018

284,344

-

1,840

6,432

235

1,002

1,287

19,311

10,350

1,799

51,758

728

51,030

66,560
62,950

2,700
1,225

10,135,460

271,822

9,863,638

11,704,487

475,632

159,667
37,911

722,812

29
--

1,320,516

--

--

10,000

Dube

11,960

--

-

Liberts

26

-

Nicaragua

187,730

Bussia

Total

7,077,115

Total

--

10,000

10,000

--

26

26

--

432

432

--

4,871

192,601

197,730

17,263

26

740,075

2,533,289

11,960

11,960

215,019

10,350,479

-290

142

192,601

--

204,851

10,168

10,068,489

281,990

-

-

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

641,283

-

--

-

--

Appayments:

2,003

54

-

10,000

France

Great Britain

130,011

Greece

--

Italy

-

64,689
72,171
364

Liberta

--

Nicaragua

--

-

-

1,799

Auments

-

Tugoalavia
Total

140,011

2,067

-

10.000
64.689
202,182

-

-

--

--

-

--

--

-

--

3

Cube

-

3

--

Belgium

26

141,783

26

--

-

1,799

-

-

728

-

281,990

142

728

364

196

142

1/ Includes $1,715,556,244.38 on account of interest accrued prior to funding and $127,226,578.44 interest funded under debt agreements.
ACCOUNTS AND DEPOSITS

May 11, 1939

-

1,255,427

-

--

192,771

-

204,114

--

-

449,080
166,729
20,737
8,249

4,160,825

139

26,012

106,928

5,413,388

46

34,268
2,365

9,858

2,022,745

752

166

8,546
7,650
259,502

536

63,991
61,741

164,854

12,710,628

-

23,303

--

-

-

-

-

--

-

115

-

--

33,515

388

11,343

--

-

833,599
1,929

2,275

--

-

-

9,000

--

-

250,399

93

207,344

--

-

402

3,340,130

4,982
159,687
36,112

4,982

5,329

-

264

4,982
159,667
12,911
24,978

May 1. 3,835

annuities

2,011

3,681

859

-

6,889

5,132

Moratorium

878

Infunded debte:
Armenia

-

5,132

5,132

Total debt

debt

debt

-

13,999
8,282

-

581,000
27,167

-

-

Bungary

1,027,478

91,880

13,999

principal

2,067

379,087

29,906

prior to

3

Belgium

Deadhoslovakia

29,873

177,434
61,974

Debt as

net

refunding

acquired

171,780

of principal

Issued For and unpaid

Payments

Original

Repayments

Total

VAT and To-

9

Postarmistice
Cash loans

--

--

-

385,372

-

408,675

-

13,119,304

Dising

Sec.

179

(a) There is hereby created in the Treasury Department an

office of Administrative Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury, and
an office of Fiscal Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury. The
Administrative Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury and the Fiscal
Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury shall be appointed by the Secretary

of the Treasury in accordance with the civil service laws, and shall each receive a salary of $10,000 a year.

(b) The Administrative Assistant to the Secretary shall perform
such duties in respect of the administration of the Treasury Department as
the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe. The Secretary of the Treasury

is authorized to delegate to the Administrative Assistant to the Secretary

of the Treasury any authority, duty, or function relating to the administration of the Treasury Department.

(c) The Fiscal Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury shall
perform such duties in respect of the fiscal operations of the Treasury
Department as the Secretary of the Treasury shall prescribe. The Secretary

of the Treasury is hereby authorized to delegate to the Fiscal Assistant

to the Secretary of the Treasury any authority, duty, or function relating
to the fiscal operations of the Treasury Department, which the Secretary of
the Treasury is authorized or required to exercise or perform.

11,1939

May 11, 1939

180

NEW YORK. --THE STOCK MARKET WAS UNABLE TO DEVELOP A DEFINITE TREND
TODAY AND PRICES SWUNG UNCERTAINLY AROUND YESTERDAY'S CLOSING LEVELS
IN SLOW TRADING.

BONDS WERE MIXED IN QUIET TRADE.
WHEAT FUTURES REACHED NEW SEASONAL HIGHS ON GAINS EXTENDING TO 2

CENTS A BUSHEL AND THEN SLIPPED OFF TO CLOSE 1/8 CENT HIGHER TO 3/8
LOWER. OATS ALSO REACHED NEW SEASONAL PEAKS AND THEN BACKED DOWN TO

SHOW MINOR FINAL LOSSES. CORN WAS FIRM AND RYE MIXED. COTTON FUTURES
WERE SOMEWHAT EASIER, AND NEW CROPS SHOWING SOME RESISTANCE. RUBBER,

HIDES AND SUGAR DECLINED. SILK RALLIED MILDLY.
THERE WAS LITTLE IN THE NEWS TO SWAY PRICE MOVEMENTS, ALTHOUGH
TRADERS WERE SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED OVER CONTINUANCE OF THE SOFT COAL
DEADLOCK.

SECRETARY MORGENTHAU'S REITERATION OF HIS DESIRE TO REMOVE TAX

DETERRENTS TO BUSINESS ACTIVITY, IMPROVED PROSPECTS FOR RAIL-AID
LEGISLATION AND LABOR ACT REVISION, AND THE RECENT STRENGTH IN COMMODI
TY PRICES -- THE UNITED PRESS - DUN BRADSTREET INDEX YESTERDAY
REACHED THE BEST LEVEL IN A YEAR -- WERE AMONG THE MORE ENCOURAGING
FACTORS.

BUSINESS NEWS, HOWEVER, WAS UNFAVORABLE. CARLOADINGS FOR LAST WEEK
WERE REPORTED DOWN MORE THAN SEASONALLY, WEAKNESS IN THE SHEET STEEL
PRICE STRUCTURE WAS REPORTED AND ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION AWARDS
WERE DOWN.

5/11--R209P

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May 11, 1939
12:00 noon

Operator:
HMJr:

James A.

Go ahead.

Hello.

Farley:

Happy birthday !

HMJr:

Thank you very much.

F:

By gosh, you don't look half your age.

HMJr:

Well, I feel sixty.

F:

Really?

HMJr:

Yeah.

Well, I was just -- I didn't have anything special the
other day. I was just calling you to find out how you
were doing on taxes, that's all.

F:

HMJr:
F:

HMJr:

Well, you're a son-of-a-gun.
(Laughter)

Well, I came out with a statement today and told them I
just was where I was on March 3rd when I told the
Committee I'd be ready to come up when they wanted me.

F:

That's fair enough.

HMJr:

And I was still interested in removing any taxes that

F:

Are you and Harry fairly in accord on the tax situation?

HMJr:

Well as far as I know -- and this is just gossip, that

were business deterrents.

-- as I say -- I -- I'm told that Harry is no longer
interested in taxes.

F:

Really?

HMJr:

Yeah.

F:

That's very funny.

HMJr:

Now that -- that's gossip. I didn't get it straight.

F:

That's very funny.

-2-

HMJr:

182

But I was told that that was why General Wood went home

because Hopkins was no longer interested in the tax

program but that -- I am -- that is through a third

party.
F:

Yeah, when I -- next time when I get back home I'll tell
you the conversation I had with Wood. He came over to
see me last week and he told me he was getting out. I

won't talk to you now, but I'll tell you when I see you.
HMJr:

But it's very easy, because the last time they asked
Harry about taxes, he said he stood just where Johnny
Hanes stood.

F:

I see.

HMJr:

And they asked him the question on Monday and he ducked

F:

He did, eh?

HMJr:

Harry did.

F:

I understand.

HMJr:

So

F:

HMJr:

it.

Well, I'll tell you about my conversation with Wood the
next time I see you.
But, Jim, I -- do you see how I can back down?

F:

Beg pardon?

HMJr:

Should I back down?

F:

Not very well, Henry.

HMJr:

No. No.

F:

Of course, I don't know enough about your problem and you
know it. You -- you've always done what you thought was

best and that's all that's necessary.

HMJr:

Well, I'm trying to do what I think is best for the
country as far as the Treasury goes.

F:

I know. You always did that and I understand that.

-3 HMJr:

183

And we here in the Treasury think that there are certain
taxes which are harder on business than certain others.
I know.

F:

HMJr:

And we think it would be good to make adjustments.

F:

Yeah, well you know -- you know your job there and you

know
what's best, and whatever you do is all right with
me, Colonel.
HMJr:

Well.....

F:

Well,
I hope you have fifty more birthdays just like this
one.

HMJr:

Thank you so much.

F:

Good luck : I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
HMJr:

F:

Thank you.
Good bye.

184
May 11, 1939
12:51 p.m.

HMJr:

Hello.

Operator: Mr. Krock. Go ahead.
HMJr:

Arthur

Hello.

Krock:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Yes, Arthur.

I want to ask you a question you occasionally ask me.
Now, will you accept a confidence?

K:

HMJr:
K:

HMJr:
K:

HMJr:

Yes.

If you will I'll tell you where Mr. Catledge got his
story because I understand there was some disposition
to blame John Hanes for it. It isn't true and I don't
think it should be permitted to rest in anybody's mind,
including yours, if you thought -- if you thought so.
We got -- he got his "tip" from the Chamber of Commerce
and he plentifully -- plentifully supplied himself from
Pat Harrison and Doughton. Now there is no reason for
the Treasury to feel it's got any responsibility for
this story. I just hope you -- you will -- will accept
my statement to that effect. You can make it to anybody
and if the President should be in any way doubtful of it,
Mr. Catledge is perfectly willing to tell the President.
Well

There you are. I -- I -- I've never done this before.
Well, I -- I don't know why you do it now.
Because I -- I had a feeling -- Turner had a feeling that
John thought he'd be blamed for it and I -- I didn't

want him blamed for it by anybody since he is not guilty.

HMJr:

Uh-huh. Well, I appreciate the spirit in which you called
me and unless somebody does blame John we'll bury it
between us, how's that?

K:

All right, thank you. I just wanted you to know because
it -- I -- I've never done this before. I don't think
I've ever told anybody where we got a story that we

hadn't attributed, but I -- I wanted to do it in this case.

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HMJr:
K:

So far -- so far nobody has asked me.
O. K.

HMJr:

And unless John is on the spot, I will not use it.

K:

All right, sir.

HMJr:

And as far as I know, the way it stands now, he isn't
because outside of my press conference and inside the
Treasury, we haven't discussed it.

K:

You haven't what?

HMJr:

No -- No one has raised the point.

K:

I see. All right, Henry.

HMJr:

Thank you.

K:

You're welcome.

186

MAY 11 1939

TREASURY DEPARTMENT ORDER NO. 21.

Effective from and after this date, the following assignments to Mr. Daniel W. Bell, Assistant to the Secretary, are
hereby ordereds

1. The Finances.
2. Commissioner of Accounts and Deposites

(a) Division of Bookkeeping and Warrants.
(b) Division of Disbursement.

(e) Division of Deposits.

(d) Section of Surety Bonds.
3. Commissioner of the Public:Debt.
(a) Division of Loans and Currency.

(b) Office of the Register of the Treasury.
(e) Division of Public Debt Accounts and Audit.
(d) Division of Paper Oustedy.
4. Office of the Treasurer of the United States.
5. Division of Savings Bonds.

Mr. Bell will maistain contacts with departments, boards,
corporations, and other branches of the Government with respect

to their financial operations and the coordination of such operations with those of the Treasury. He will represent the Secretary
in such contacts in a liaison capacity, keeping the Secretary
fully informed in such matters at all times.
Department Circular No. 244 of February 1, 1937, is modified
accordingly.

(Signed) H. Morgenthan. Jr

Secretary of the Treasury.

WNY

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187

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

May 11, 1939

Secretary Morgenthau

E. H. Foley, Jr.

For your information

I have tried to contact Emil Schram at the RFC but learned that

he is out of town and will not return to his office until Monday. I
shall get in touch with him at that time.
I read the Coughlin letter to Eddie Greenbaum and he gave it his

blessing. Accordingly, I have mailed the letters to Father Coughlin,
Archbishop Mooney and Cardinal Mundelein.

At Eddie's request I sent copies of the letters to him. Copies
have also been sent, at your suggestion, to your father.

E.N th

88

May 11, 1939

Secretary Morgenthau

3. H. Foley, Jr.
For your information

I have tried to contact Emil Sehrea at the RFC but learned that

be is out of town and will not return to his office until Monday. I
shall get in touch with him at that time.
I read the Coughlin letter to Eddie Greenbaus and he gave it his

blessing. Accordingly, I have mailed the letters to Father Coughlin,
Archbishop Mooney and Cardinal Mundelein.

At Eddie's request I sent copies of the letters to him. Copies
have also been sent, at your suggestion, to your father.

(Initialed) L.E.F., Fr.

EHF18 Typed 5/11/39

189

THE NEW YORK HERALD TRIBUNE

May 11, 1939

5/11'39
Mr. Secretary:

Annenberg-Guffey Suits

Dropped in Philadelphia
Both Sides Withdraw Charges
Based on Election Campaign
PHILADELPHIA May 10 in.-In-

I thought you

dietments charging libel and suits

might be interested

courts today with mutual apologies

for damages growing out of the 1938
Pennsylvania election campaign were

dropped in the criminal and civil
and explanations

in seeing this.
E.H. F. Jr.

The indictments against M L

Annenberg publisher of "The Phila.

delphia Inquirer E Z Dimitman

city editor. and Daniel G Murphy
a lawver and Republican stump
speaker. were nolle prossed

Immediately after the dropping of
the criminal charges there was A

private conference between lawyers

both sides in the civil
SUITH brougnt by Mr. Annenberg
means Democratic Senator Joseph

F Guffer J David Stern, publisher
of "The Record . The Record Comstation WFIL Samuel

R president of the sta

Item art Albert M Greenfield
Two political speeches, one by
Senator Guiles which was broadcast

over station WFIL the night before

1110 Allit was tited. and the other by

Mr Greenfield, broadcast over the

NATULAT Nation on Sep: 21. were the
cause of the libel AUGHS

190

May 11, 1939.

Around 12 o'clock yesterday Hanes was up to see

Senator Harrison because he sent for him. At 1 o'clock
Harrison saw Doughton because Doughton told me that.

Harrison says that Turner Catledge called him last night
and told him that Harrison had given Turner Catledge this
story and that he (Hanes) confirmed the story to Catledge.
He said that he would not lie. Hanes had Congressman
Lindsay Warren of North Carolina contact the Vice-President
to find out whether the Vice-President had really said
Monday morning to the President that he does not want any
tax bill and the Vice-President told Lindsay Warren that

quite the contrary he wanted a tax bill. He also told me
that Lindsay Warren is one of the campaign managers for
Garner and that Garner has the North Carolina delegates
for President.

Hanes told me that Tuesday he had lunch with

General Wood and that General Wood asked him about our

tax program and that Wood said that that was the most

important thing. I gather that that afternoon Wood
turned in his resignation to Hopkins.

When Doughton was with the President Tuesday
morning he told the President that Monday night Max Gardner

called him up and gave him a terrific sales talk on the tax

program and undoubtedly Hanes, knowing that Doughton was going

to see the President Tuesday morning, got Max Gardner to do

this the night before.
Hanes yesterday said to me, "Don't think that I
have not been busy nights and I have got about 24 friends
in the House and about the same number in the Senate that
will stand with me on a fight on the tax program. Hanes

also said, "I do not like Mr. Roosevelt".

I asked Hanes to go to Cabinet for me on Friday
as I was leaving for the farm and he refused to go.

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Return to Room 28

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

May 11, 1939.
Dear Henry:

Thank you so much for your note of yesterday re-

ferring to my letter of May 6. I was in Washington on
Tuesday and called your office about lunch time in the hope
that I might have an opportunity to see you sometime that

day, but they told me that you had left for the day.
I was sorry to miss you, especially as I had
Mr. Roelse with me and would have liked to have talked with
you about our gold announcements. However, I understand

that Dr. White has called a meeting of all interested parties for three o'clock this afternoon in Washington and I
have asked Mr. Roelse to stay over for the purpose of attending the meeting. That may cover what you have in

mind but, even so, I hope you will let me see you the next
time I am down there.

Faithfully yours,

hap Harrison
Hon. Henry Morgenthau,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Treasury Department,
Washington, D. C.

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Washington, D. C.

Treasury Department,

Secretary of the Treasury,

Hon. Henry Morgenthau,

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193
May 10. 1980.

Dear Georges

Thank you very mach for your letter of

May 6th. I appreciate your writing - as you
did, and I shall be very gind to talk with you
when you are in Washington. Just let - know
when you expect to be here in order that we my
make an appointment convenient to us both.

with all good wishes,
Sincerely,

Any
Mr. George L. Harrison,
President, Federal Reserve Beak
of New York,
New York, New York.

GEF/dbs

a 8/5

Treasury Department

ision of Monetary Research
Date

5/10/39

1939

194
To:

Mr. McHugh

From: L. Shanahan

This has been the rounds.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

Office of the Secretary
Date

TO:

Mr HD white
Room 208

195

From: MR. LOCHHEAD

TO:

mr Lorelesed
196

us
From: Mr. GASTON

S
197

MR. MORGENTHAU'S OFFICE

Mr. Gaston
Mr MoReynoldo

Mr. Hanes
Mr. Gibbons

.....

Mr. Alexander

Mr. Harper

Mr. Allen

Mr. Helvering
Mr. Irey
Mr. Julian
Mr. Kilby

Mr. Bartelt
Mr. Batchelder

Mr. Bell
Mr. Berkshire
Mr. Bernard

Mr. Birgfeld
Mr. Blough
Mr. Broughton
Mr. Bryan

Mr. Lochhead,
Miss Lonigan
Mr. MarweII
Adm. Peoples
Miss Reynolds

Mr. Cannon

Mr. Rose
Mrs. Ross

Mr. Davis
Mr. Delano

Mr. Sloan
Mr. Spangler

Miss Diamond
Miss Flanagan

Miss Switzer
Mr. Tarleau

Mr. Foley
Mr. Graves

Mr. Thompson
Mr. Upham

Mr. Haas

Mr.

(1)

A

Mr. Wilson

Mr. Hall
Mr. Hanna

PLEASE RETURN TO MRS. KLOTZ
WHEN FINISHED
THANK YOU.

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gaston
heelhead

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK

Then return to risk
May 6, 1939.

Dear Henry:

I am sorry that Mr. Roelse's advice of our change in
form of gold report did not come to the a ttention of your people

until after the new form of report had been issued. Mr. Roelse's
letter was mailed to reach Mr. Gaston on Monday morning, and the

new form of report was not given out until Monday afternoon. We
either had to go ahead with our old form of report, which had become very misleading, or issue a new one which would more accurately

record imports and earmarks of gold without, of course, divulging

confidential data. The newspapers made quite a bit more of it than
it deserved.

I agree with you, however, that it would be desirable to
canvass this whole matter of reports on gold movements. I am going
to be in Washington this next week, and, if you have some time, perhaps we could go over it then.

Faithfully yours,

CEVERON
Identified KAUGHT

notaboo Y YAM

VII a
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Hon. Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,
Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D.C.

To ta

George L. Harrison
President.

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May 5, 1939.

My dear George:

I noticed in the Tuesday morning New York papers the
first announcement of your new system of reporting gold receipts, and Archie Lochhead tells me that Knoke talked to him
about it over the telephone on Thursday of last week and was

advised to discuss it with Gaston. The result was a letter

from Roelse to Gaston, dated Saturday, which was an outline of

your decision and the reasons for it. It came to Gaston's

attention and to mine after your Monday's announcement had been

made.

It seems to me, frankly, that this is the sort of thing

that calls for somewhat fuller consultation with us in advance

of decision and action on your part. It is, to say the least,
a matter of mutual concern.

Your objective of eliminating confusion with respect to
figures on gold movements is one with which I agree, but I am
not sure that your new policy moves in that direction. We now
have unreconciled information coming from three or more different sources other than the Treasury.

I think we need to get together and I should like to talk
the matter over with you some time.
Sincerely,

Secretary of the Treasury.
Mr. George Harrison,

President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, N.Y.

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May 5, 1939.

My dear George:

I noticed in the Tuesday morning New York papers the
first announcement of your new system of reporting gold receipts, and Archie Lochhead tells me that Knoke talked to him
about it over the telephone on Thursday of last week and was

advised to discuss it with Gaston. The result was a letter

from Roelse to Gaston, dated Saturday, which was an outline of

your decision and the reasons for it. It came to Gaston's

attention and to mine after your Monday!s announcement had been
made.

It seems to me, frankly, that this is the sort of thing

that calls for somewhat fuller consultation with us in advance

of decision and action on your part. It is, to say the least,
a matter of mutual concern.

Your objective of eliminating confusion with respect to
figures on gold movements is one with which I agree, but I am
not sure that your new policy moves in that direction. We now
have unreconciled information coming from three or more different sources other than the Treasury.

I think we need to get together and I should like to talk
the matter over with you some time.
Sincerely,

Secretary of the Treasury.
Mr. George Harrison,

President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, N.Y.

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May 4, 1939.

TO: (1) Mr. boonword
(2) Mr. Harry Wnite

(For approval before signature.)
FROM: Mr. Gaston

Please return to Room 288

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lly dear George:

I noticed in the Tuesday morning New York papers the first announcement

of your new system of reporting gold receipts,
Archie
on and
Thursday
of Lochhead tells me the

Emoke talked to him about it over the telephone last week and WD.S
advised to discuss it with Gaston. The result
was a letter from Roelse to
outline

Gaston, dated Saturday, which and
wastoan
/ of your decision and the
mine V your Monday's
reasons for it. It came to Gaston's attention After - M announcement had been
made.

It .seems to me, frankly, that this is the sort of thing that calls for
somewhat fuller consultation with us in advance of decision and action on your

part. It is, to say the least, a matter of mutual concern.
the Objective 01

Your objective of eliminating confusion with respect to figures on gold
one with which I agree,
but I am not sure that- your new policy moves in that
movements is
6

unriconciled

direction. We now have
information coming from three or more different sources
^
other than the Treasury.

I think we need to get together and I should like to talk the matter over
with you some time.

Sincerely,

203
THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
WASHINGTON

My dear George:

I noticed in yesterday morning's New York papers your
announcement of a system of more complete reports of receipts

of gold from abroad. I was also told during the morning that

Mr. Knoke nad reported your intention over the telephone to
Archie Loonhead last week and that Mr. Gaston had received a
letter from Mr. Roelse containing the same information.

Frankly, I am unable to discern any good reason for your
making this announcement. The newspapers are already well supplied with information on the subject from several sources. They
have access, I am told, to the ships' manifests at the Custom
House, which cover all shipments to New York. Gold that is received by the mints and assay offices shows up within a few days
on the Daily Treasury Statement. Then, the Department of Commerce
reports, with only about ten days lag, the complete import and ex-

port figures. It seems to me that your reports of imports at the
Port of New York will only add to the confusion rather than clarify
it.
I am not asking you to change a procedure which you have

publicly announced, but I do suggest that matters of this kind,
which have such a close and vital relation to Treasury operations,
should be discussed with us before rather than after a decision
has been made.

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury.
Mr. George Harrison,

President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,

Now York, N.Y.

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My dear Georges

I noticed in yesterday morning's New York papers your
announcement of a system of more complete reports of reseipts

of gold from abroad. I was also told during the morning that

Mr. Knoke had reported your intention over the telephone to
Archie Lochhead last week and that Mr. Gaston had received a
letter from Mr. Reelse containing the same information.

Frankly, I an unable to discorn any good reason for your
making this announcement. The newspapers are already well sup-

plied with information on the subject from several sources. They
have access, I am told, to the ships' manifests at the Custom
House, which cover all shipments to New York. Gold that is oeived by the mints and assay offices shows up within a few days

on the Daily Treasury Statement. Then, the Department of Commerce

reports, with only about ten days Inc. the complete import and port figures. It seems to no that your reports of imports at the

Port of New York will only add to the confusion Father than clarify
it.
I am not asking you to change a procedure which you have

publicly announced, but I do suggest that matters of this kind,
which have such a close and vital relation to Treasury operations,
should be discussed with us before rather than after a decision
has been nade.

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury.
Mr. George Barrison,
President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, N.Y.

HEG/mah

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My dear George:

I noticed in yesterday morning's New York papers your
announcement of a system of more complete reports of receipts

of gold from abroad. I was also told during the morning that

Mr. Knoke had reported your intention over the telephone to
Archie Lochhead last week and that Mr. Gaston had received a
letter from Mr. Roelse containing the same information.

Frankly, I am unable to discern any good reason for your
making this announcement. The newspapers are already well supplied with information on the subject from several sources. They
have access, I am told, to the ships' manifests at the Custom
House, which cover all shipments to New York. Gold that is received by the nints and assay offices shows up within a few days
on the Daily Treasury Statement. Then, the Department of Commerce
reports, with only about ten days leg. the complete import and ex-

port figures. It seems to ne that your reports of importe at the

Port of New York will only add to the confusion rather than clarify
it.
I am not asking you to change a procedure which you have

publicly announced, but I do suggest that matters of this kind,
which have such a cloce and vital relation to Treasury operations,
should be discussed with us before rather than after a decision
has been made.

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury.
Mr. George Harrison,
President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, N.Y.

HEG/mah

206

My dear George:

I noticed in yesterday morning's New York papers your
announcement of a system of more complete reports of receipts

of gold from abroad. I was also told during the morning that

Mr. Knoke had reported your intention over the telephone to
Archie Lochhead last week and that Mr. Gaston had received a
letter from Mr. Reelse containing the same information.

Frankly, I am unable to discorn any good reason for your
making this announesment. The newspapers are already well supplied with information on the subject from several sources. They
have access, I am told, to the ships' manifests at the Custom
House, which cover all shipments to New York. Gold that is received by the mints and assay offices shows up within a few days
on the Daily Treasury Statement. Then, the Department of Commerce
reports, with only about ten days lag, the complete import and ex-

port figures. It seems to no that your reports of imports at the

Port of New York will only add to the confusion rather than clarify

it.

I am not asking you to change a procedure which you have

publicly announced, but I do suggest that Batters of this kind,
which have such a close and vital relation to Treasury operations,
should be discussed with us before rather than after a decision
has been made.

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury.
Mr. George Harrison,
President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, N.Y.

HKG/mah

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May 3, 1939.

Mr. H. V. Roelse,
Assistant Vice President,
Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
New York, N.Y.

My dear Mr. Roelses

I have received your letter of April 29th and I thank
you for informing me as to the purposes of your new procedure

with respect to the announcement of gold data.

Very truly yours,
(Statemed) Herbeah

Herbert E. Gaston

Assistant to the Secretary.

HEG/mah

e

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK
April 29, 1939.
Mr. Herbert E. Gaston,

Assistant to the Secretary,

Treasury Department,
Washington, D. C.

Dear Mr. Gaston:

As you probably know, this bank has been issuing to the press
for a number of years daily and weekly reports on gold transactions,

and monthly summaries have been included in our Monthly Review on Credit

and Business Conditions. In recent years these reports have been on a
basis which was designed to account for changes in the gold stock of
the United States, but because of the changes in the handling of gold
that have taken place, it has developed that our reports have become
quite inadequate and frequently misleading, especially with respect to

gold imports. Information that is available to the public through

other channels has indicated that our reports were very incomplete.
We have followed the practice of reporting only gold imports which were

sold directly to the Assay Office, as such gold is added directly to
the gold stock of the country. In recent months, however, there have

been a number of occasions when information obtained by the newspapers
from steamship manifests or other sources has indicated much larger gold

imports, thus giving the basis for the presumption that large amounts
of gold were being imported for official accounts. Our reports also

fell far short of accounting for changes in the gold stock reported in
the daily Treasury statement and in the weekly reports issued by the

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

For these reasons it was decided that a revision of our reports
would be highly desirable. A Committee of officers was therefore appointed by Mr. Harrison to study the problem, and after careful considera-

tion of the matter, the Committee made a report and presented recommendations

with respect to the form of reports on gold transactions to be issued by
this bank, which were approved by our Officers Council at a meeting on

Thursday, the new program to become effective next Monday. I understand
that Mr. Knoke informed Mr. Lochhead concerning the change in our reports
in the course of a telephone conversation yesterday, and that Mr. Lochhead
requested that we advise you concerning the matter.

It was decided that in the future our reports should be made on
the same general basis as the figures reported in the Federal Reserve

Bulletin, although our reports will be somewhat less inclusive, in that
they will represent chiefly transactions at New York and will include no
data on domestic production of gold.

2

Mr. . Herbert E. Gaston

4/29/39

209

FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK

Daily, weekly, and monthly reports are to show total imports

by countries of origin, but with no indication as to the accounts for
which the gold is imported. These data, therefore, will correspond to
the information now available through steamship manifests and other

sources. The daily reports in the future are to omit any reference to

earmarking transactions, but the weekly reports and our Monthly Review
will show net changes in the total amount of gold held under earmark
for foreign accounts, and the Review will indicate the approximate
amount of gold held under earmark at the end of each month.

Reports on this basis will not purport to account for all
changes. in the gold stock of this country, but will give a truer picture

of the amount of gold coming to this country through New York from other
countries, and will thus end the confusion that now exists with respect
to this matter, without making public any information as to the accounts
for which gold is being brought in.

Very truly yours,

Roelse

H. V. Roelse,
Assistant Vice President.

HVR.LS

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Earmarked Stock Rises
At the same time, however, $115.

UYTimes 5/2/39

ICIAL

In April the monetary gold stock

of the United States increased about
$530,000,000 to a new record high of
approximately $15,790,000,000. This

rise compared with $385,000,000 in
March and $624,000,000 during the
heavy gold inflow last September.
In commenting on the foreign exchange market the bank said:

MORE DATA ON GOLD

Tension in Europe during April

REPORTED BY BANK

caused a heavy inflow of short-term

funds to New York from abroad
and in turn a large inflow of gold
to this country. Pressure on the

Federal Reserve Gives Total of

$29,012,000 COMES IN DAY

the metal set aside here for for-

eign account, increasing the total of
this earmarked stock to $77,000,000.

35

Imports Instead of Additions
to Monetary Stock Only

000,000 was added to the stock of

principal European exchanges was
intensified early in the month when

Italian troops occupied Albania.

210

The market was afforded temporary

respite in the middle of the month
when President Roosevelt's message was sent to Chancellor Hitler
and Premier Mussolini asking for

a peace commitment. British de
termination further to strengthen

her military forces, as evidenced in
the budget estimates for the coming

fiscal year and plans for British

Receipts at New York in April

conscription, similarly added impe-

Put at $575,000,000-De-

ment in most currencies. Herr Hit-

mand for Large Bills Noted

mentary hesitation in the market.

tus to a month-end covering move-

ler's speech Itself caused some mo-

but subsequently the firmer ten-

dency in Continental currencies was
The Federal Reserve Bank began

yesterday a system of more com-

plate reports on foreign gold re
ceipts by giving total gold imports
ead of merely those directly ating the monetary gold stock of
the United States. The bank's daily
statement showed arrival of $29.012,000 of the metal from Europe,

*

including $22,337,000 from England
and $6,675,000 from Belgium. The

banks will not report until Wednes-

day the net changes in the stock
of the metal held here under earmark for foreign account, so that
some measure of secrecy will be
provided in connection with operations of the Stabilization Fund and
foreign central banks. The bank
reported yesterday engagement of
an additional $9,230,000 of gold in
England for shipment here
In its monthly review, issued yes
terday, the Reserve Bank reported
that imports of gold at New York
in April aggregated $575,000,000. a
monthly total exceeded only in Feb-

ruary. 1934, and in September and
October, 1938. Of last month's im-

resumed.

Demand for Dollar Noted

"Further evidence of a desire on
the part of foreigners to hold their

funds in dollars rather than in

European currencies has appeared

unusual demands for large-dehination Federal Reserve notes

at this bank during the past two
months Substantial amounts of
such notes have been shipped
abroad and smaller amounts ap-

parently have been placed in safe
deposit boxes for foreign accounts
in New York banks.

"In March ten of the principal

New York City banks shipped $25,-

000,000 of United States currency
abroad, the largest amount for any

month since the reports were initiated in 1923. and in April the

amount appears to have been sub-

stantially larger. At this bank unusual withdrawals of Federal Re

serve notes of $50 to $10,000 denom-

inations by New York City banks

amounted to well over $50,000,000 in
April.

Despite the large withdrawals of

currency for foreign accounts in
recent weeks, excess reserves of

New York city member banks have
reached successive new high levels
in recent weeks. Reserves of these
banks increased nearly $600,000,000

land, although much of this amount

in the five weeks ended April 26.
a total of more than $5,000,000,000.

probably originated in Continental

funds and although there has been

ports. $371,400,000 came from Eng-

Europe: $84,600,000 from Belgium,
$55,500,000 from Switzerland, $44.

300,000 from the Netherlands.
$7,000,000 from Canada, $4,600,000

from India, $4,500,000 from ArgenIna and $2,100,000 from Colombia
On the West Coast, $5,600,000 was

received from Japan. $4,200,000
from Australia and $300,000 from
China

due to the heavy inflow of foreign
an accompanying increase in de-

posita and a consequent increase in

reserve requirements, excess reserves have risen $445,000,000 to
more than $2,400,000,000.

In other parts of the country

also there has been a substantial

a of
the large Treasury balances previto

apa government ber increase ka to in have in excess spending recent been reserves weeks, due of chiefly of part which mem-

ously accumulated in the Federal
Reserve Banks.

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Friday No. 87

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Treasury Department

Division of Tax Research
Date
To:

May 26,

1939

Miss Chauncey.

I am returning herewith
the paper on tax revision
which you loaned me.
Thank you very much.

MR. BLOUGH

g are me this on may 12, 1939

accohing from Ben cohen 7oley
said Cohen prepared TAX REVISION this over 213 six month
There is a not altogether unjustified feeling that our tax
system is arbitrary and inequitable in that the amount of taxes an individual pays depends less upon his actual income or upon the actual

increase in his net worth than upon the artificial forms under which
his business or financial activities are conducted.

There is particular inequity in the operation of the individual
surtaxes. They hit hardest the individual who does not or cannot conduct

his business under the protection of the corporate form. They fall much
more heavily upon those, whether in business or in the professions, who
earn their incomes, than upon those who receive their income from as-

cumulated wealth. Undistributed corporate profits, income from taxexempt securities, and even the special treatment of capital gains afford seans of escape from individual surtaxes available only to those
with accusulated wealth.

It is quite possible that the individual surtaxos are too high
to yield their maximus productivity and to encourage the assumption of

business risks. The very severity of the surtaxes in a sense puts a
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premine on their evasion. The retention of very high individual surtaxes

and the virtual repeal of the undistributed profits tax suggest that
there is a school of political thought which favors high surtaxes
only because they can be evaded.

A substantial moderation of the surtaxes on the highest bracket
income would be justified if the surtaxes were made really effective by
closing all avenues of evasion.
The maximus surtax on individual income could be reduced to

60 per cent, possibly even 50 per cent without loss of revenues and with

a fair possibility of an increase in revenues if there were a real willing
ness to close all avenues of opision. To close all avenues of evasions
(a) The present tax exemption of income from federal, state and
menicipal securities should be abolished. This should mean the prompt

elimination of all future tax-exempt securities. This should also moan
the application of the so-called Class plan to existing tax-excapt occurities so that the fact of the existence of tax-except income should not
be sholly ignored is assessing the sartazes against income from other

215

sources. That is, a taxpayer with an income of $200,000, one-half of
which comes from existing tax-exempt securities, ought to pay surtaxes
on the other non-exempt half at the rates applicable to incomes between
$100,000 and $200,000.

(b) There should be a tax on all undistributed corporate
profits high enough and comprehensive enough to ensure that corporate

stockholders will pay surtaxos on their full share of the corporate profits.
This does not mean that a corporation which really needs cash

for debt-retirement, working capital or expension should be required to

distribute its profits in form of cash dividends. Stock dividends of all
sorts should be treated as distributions of profits and made taxable
in the hands of the stockholders. Although in Eigner v. Macomber
252 U. S. 189, the Supreme Court held that COMMON stock dividends to
common stockholders could not be taxed as income, the reconstructed Supreme

Court today would undoubtedly follow the dissenting opinion of Mr. Justice
Brandeis in that case rather than the majority opinion, and uphold a

tax on stock-dividends. Any corporation, therefore, with an unispaired

216

capital would be in a position to distribute its profits in stockdividends and could not complain that the tax forced it to deplete
itself of cash reserves. Exceptional treatment with proper safeguards
against abuse would be required only for corporations in arrears on

their preferred stocks or having impaired capital.
(c) The appropriate individual surtaxes should be made ap-

plicable to capital gains, although special provision for relief from
the capital gains tax might be made if the gains are prouptly reinvested
in unsecured equities in new enterprises.

There is no reason for the exceptionally favored treatment aocorded to all capital gains on assets held for more than 18 months.

Generally speaking, capital gains are entitled to special treatment only
to the extent necessary to protect the taxpayer from paying higher ourtaxes than he would be obliged to take if he were allowed to pro-rate his

profits over the years during which he held his investment. But the
present capital gains tax relieves the wealthy taxpayer of surtaxes
which he would have to pay if his capital gains were pro-rated over a

period of years. There is no justification for a taxpayer with a regular

217

annual income, exclusive of capital gains, of a quarter of a million
dollars being allowed to escape with a 15 per cent tax on his profits
from ordinary stock market speculations. Capital gains on assets held

for a long or short period ought to be taxed at a rate not lower then
the highest surtax rate that the taxpayer pays on his income, exclusive

of capital gains. Greater liberality, however, sight be allowed in
carrying over capital losses to be applied against capital gains in subsequent years.

Attempts are made to justify the favored treatment of capital
gains on the ground that the capital gains tax makes it more difficult

for new enterprise to obtain capital. The validity of this contention
is open to grave question. If we want to help new enterprise, the way

to do it is modify the tax as it relates to the assumption of equity
risks in new enterprise and not to put a further premium on speculation

in old securities which say make it harder for new enterprise to get
risk-assuming capital.

If we want to encourage the assumption of risks in new enterprise we might permit capital gains to be invested within a given period

218

is unsecured equities in new enterprises (as defined under Treasury

regulations) without those gains being taxed until after the now invest

nent in the new enterprise is liquidated. This privilege could be
continued indefinitely so that there would be is effect nd tax collected
on capital gains as long as those gains continued to be promptly invested

in new enterprise. Such a law would create a reservoir of funds

specifically seeking outlet is now enterprises. of course there are

administrative difficulties in the application of such a tax, but certainly
it is better to meet those difficulties than to continue the present
irrational treatment of capital gains which enables the wealthy to
escape their curtaxes but which does not encourage investment is new
enterprise.

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May 12, 1939.

TO:

FROM:

Secretary Morgenthau

Mr. Blough RB

SUBJECT: What are the tax deterrents to business?

I. Introduction
The question of what are tax deterrents to business
cannot be answered in a few words. In its fundamental

issues it is nearly as difficult to answer as the larger
question, why have we not had full recovery? For example,
almost all the theoretical arguments between the spenders

and economizers are involved. A limited discussion, however,
may be presented without deciding these points of theory.
Taxes may deter business in one or more of three
ways:

First, they may reduce consumers' purchasing power and thus diminish the present and
prospective markets for consumers' goods.

This may not only limit the immediate level of
production but may make investors believe there

are no opportunities for profitable investment.

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-2Second, taxes may reduce private savings to

such an extent that business will be deterred by

lack of sufficient funds. This is not an
important issue at the present time as there
appear to be plenty of idle funds.
Third, taxes may reduce the willingness to
invest by reducing the chances of making profit
to such an extent that the owner of funds would

rather maintain his principal than risk losing

it on the chance of making a profit. If a tax
thus discourages an investment in equity capital
the result may be the lack of investment oppor-

tunities for a much larger volume of senior
capital.

The deterring effects of any tax feature cannot be considered
profitably without comparing them with the deterring effects of
possible replacement taxes. Such comparison may he very diffi-

cult if the replacement taxes have different effects on
consumers' purchasing power. If, however, the replacement

taxes are of such a nature that consumers' purchasing power is

not affected by the change, a fairly intelligent estimate can
be made of the effect of the change on willingness to invest.
Most of the proposals made recently can be analyzed in this manner.

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May 12, 1939.
MEMORANDUM

TO: Secretary Morgentnau
FROM: Mr. Gaston

The faults of the present tax structure are:
(1) Inadequacy of revenue
(2) Inequities as between taxpayers

(3) Deterrents to business

I suggest the following immediate program:
(1) Renew present corporate taxes unchanged.

(2) Provide a two or three year loss carryover for individuals
and partnerships as well as corporations.
(3) Allow an individual credit against taxes on dividends
received of an amount not less than the normal individual
tax.

(4) Consolidate gift and estate taxes to prevent loss of revenue
through distribution of estates before death. Also increase rates to yield substantially greater revenue.
(5) Lower exemptions and increase rates on middle range of incomes. One possible device would be to lower exemptions
to $500 single and $1,000 married and provide a very low

rate, say one-half of one per cent, on the brackets

$500-$1,000 for single persons and $1,000-$2,000 for

married persons.
changes.

The need of more revenue is made urgent by pending Social Security

The injustice of the single year tax accounting period is most
glaring in tne case of continuing businesses.
Present nigh flat corporate taxes without of fset against dividends
received are grossly unfair to small minority stockholders.

Some additional tax on profits not distributed is fully justified.

As it seems impracticable to increase it, I would leave it alone.

In view of the great volume of tax exempts, I think notning is

to be gained by reducing high surtaxes.

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-3In the following section are discussed each of the
prominently mentioned proposals for removing tax deterrents.

An attempt is made to indicate whether the deterrent is a
real one, how important it is and whether the proposal
actually remove it.

II. Analysis of proposals

whether will in dehawl compounts

or

1. Allow business losses to be carried forward and
offset against income in a limited number of subsequent

years.

specified
The replacement tax would presumably be an increase in

the corporation income tax rate. The allowance of a business
loss carry-over with the revenue loss to government made up

by an increase in the corporation rate would have no material
effect on consumers purchasing power since the tax removed

and the tax imposed would fall on corporate stockholders with

little or no relation to the size of their income.
Failure to allow a carry-forward of losses is a deterrent
because the government treats the taxpayer on the basis of

"Heads I win - tails you lose." Most new enterprises face a
period of loss before they can expect to make income and often

have highly irregular incomes for some time after their
organization. Our income tax as applied at present may impose
taxes amounting to 50 or 60 percent or more of the real income

of a corporation measured over a period of time. It is

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6. Decrease the top rates in the individual surtax
schedule.

The replacement tax should presumably be an increase in
the individual surtaxes on medium bracket incomes although
some persons think no replacement tax would be necessary.

High tax rates are undoubtedly a deterrent to investment.

In view of the volume of tax-exempt securities available to
large investors, however, it appears unlikely that any action
to reduce the higher surtax rates moderately -- for example
to 60 percent -- would remove the deterrent except as it
might cheer business psychologically.

Any diminution of the surtax rates to very low levels
would involve the question of replacement taxes imposed on
consumers' purchasing power, which question is being avoided

in the present discussion.

If the revision program is to be limited to clear and
easily defensible changes, I think the provisions for loss
deduction are much the most important and most easily defended,

both on grounds of justice and on grounds of their deterrent
effects.

RB

Elimination
tax - exempt
Securities for the future

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believed that the willingness to venture would be increased
more by allowing loss carry-overs than it would be decreased
by raising the corporation income tax rate.

In my opinion the failure to allow loss carry-over is
one of the most serious deterrents in the present method of
applying taxes to corporations.

2. Allow corporations to deduct capital losses from

their ordinary income.

It is assumed that the replacement tax would be an
increase in the corporation income tax rate.
Much the same argument applies to this proposal as to the

loss carry-over. If corporations were allowed to deduct their
net capital losses from other income or to carry them forward

against future capital gains it is believed they would be less
cautious in investing in the securities of other corporations
and in undertaking expansion of their own plants.
In my opinion the failure to allow more adequate deduction

of corporate capital losses is a deterrent but that it is
somewhat less important than the allowance of a loss carry-over.

However, I think there would be a net reduction in business

deterrents by allowing further capital loss deductions and
increasing the corporate rate by the necessary amount to
replace revenue.

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magill ?
5. Allow 3. individuals greater deductions for capital losses.
It is assumed that the replacement tax would be an

increase in the middle corporation brackets or else in the
taxes applied to capital gains.
Failure to allow adequate deduction of capital losses to

individuals is a deterrent to the investor because it reduces
the chances for profit.. This appears to be a real deterrent
and perhaps one of considerable importance. It would appear
that the deterrent that would be removed by allowing such

capital losses is greater than the deterrent that would be
imposed either by higher rates on the middle brackets or by

higher taxes on capital gains.
One objection to proposing a revision of these deductions
that

is.some members of Congress may try to secure even more favor-

able tax rates than now apply to capital gains. I am inclined
to think that the tax on capital gains should be increased
rather than decreased.

4. Repeal of the capital stock and excess profits tax.
It is assumed that the replacement tax would be an

increase in the corporate rate. The capital stock and excess
profits taxes as they are imposed at present constitute a
mild business deterrent. The uncertain and erratic character

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of the tax are particularly noticeable in the case of new
and expanding businesses. It is probable that the net
effect of the repeal of these taxes and the substitution
of a sufficiently higher replacement tax on corporation
income would have a net effect of reducing business

deterrents. The taxes are not. however, as important
deterrents as the items previously mentioned, in my
opinion.

5. Repeal the undistributed profits tax features of
the present law.

The replacement tax,which would not need to be large,
would presumably be an increase in the corporation normal
rate.

Although many of the effects of the undistributed profits
tax are stimulative in character so far as consumers' purchas-

ing power is concerned, the tax is deterring insofar as it
deprives corporations of the funds with which to expand.

The present tax is so minor in character that it should have

little or no effect of this kind. The psychological hostility
of business to the undistributed profits tax may make that tax

a real deterrent but this is difficult to judge. In any event,
the deterring character of the tax is probably of relatively
minor importance.

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227

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

E. H. Foley, Jr.

May 12, 1939

For your information
The Executive Order to continue the authority conferred upon Dies'
Committee to examine income tax returns was drafted last February and

submitted through the Budget to the Attorney General. I understand that
the Attorney General has had the Order on his desk pending a determina-

tion of the policy involved in reissuing this kind of authority for this
Committee. Judge Townsend informs me that the Attorney General referred

the draft Order to Jim Morris yesterday for his views.
Since a copy of the President's memorandum was forwarded to the

Attorney General and he has the information as to the delay, Judge Townsend

has promised that the Department of Justice will prepare the reply to
Congressman Thomas' telegram. Under the circumstances, I don't think

there is anything further for us to do.

E.N.Th.

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THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

May 10, 1939.
MEMORANDUM FOR

THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

FOR PREPARATION OF REPLY
FOR MY SIGNATURE.

F. D. R.

A similar memorandum and copy of the telegram
from Hon. J. Parnell Thomas was sent to the
Attorney General.

03

TELEGRAM

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The White House
3PO. RA. 105-D.L. 11:05

G

HF. Washington, D. C., May 9, 1939
THE PRESIDENT.

Upon inquiry of the Secretary of the House Committee to Investigate uneAm Activities I learned with amazement that you had
not yet reissued the executive order to permit our Committee to
examine income tax returns. Further it is my understanding that
our Committee requested such an executive order as far back as

February twenty third of this year. May I therefore strongly

recommend that the order be issued at an early date in order to
permit our investigators to make an immediate search of the income
tax returns
this
country. of certain notorious Bund leaders now residing within
J. Parnell Thomas, M. C., Member Special
Committee to Investigate un-American Activities

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 12, 1939

TO

Mr. White

FROM

Mr. Hanson

Subject:

Data on Argentina

A. Public Finance

1. Deficits are the characteristic feature of Argentine budgets.

There were deficits every year from 1920 to 1930 during which time
total debt increased from 850 million pesos to 1,600 million.
Since 1930 deficits probably reached these figures:
1930 - 328 million pesos
1931 - 106

"

"

1932 - 27
1933 - 20
1934 - Balanced

1935 - 130 million pesos (including public works)
1936 - 179
1937 - 240

If

.

1938 - 77

(not including public works)

2. Revenues budgeted for 1939 may be taken as typical of recent
years. Note that about 30 percent of ordinary revenues come from
customs, that the income tax has developed into a good source of
over 10 percent, that the tax structure has been strengthened by

unification of internal taxes in 1935, and that inheritance and
land taxes are still low enough to prevent breaking up of the large
landed estates.

1939 Revenue Estimates

(In millions of pesos)
Customs

330

Unified internal taxes

161

Income tax
Land tax

100
28

Sales tax

33

Stamp tax

60

Inheritance tax
Posts and telegraphs

Charity lottery

15

40
15

Miscellaneous

854

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3. Budgeted figures fail to show total government revenue, for
exchange control profits have been running very heavy, as follows:
1933 - 3,000,000
1934 - 113,000,000
1935 - 118,000,000

1936 - 88,000,000
1937 - 65,000,000

Out of exchange control profits up to 1937 there had been spent
some 70,000,000 pesos to assist and promote agriculture and live-

stock industries. Exact allocation of remaining profits cannot be
stated here.

4. Budgeted expenditures by percentages:
1934

Public debt
National defense
Education
Miscellaneous

1935

1936

1937

1938

24.6%

19.4%

19.3%

19.8%

17.1%

12.7
7.0

13.1
7.4

18.5
10.4

14.8
9.5

14.2
11.3

B. Public Debt

1. In the tables that follow, note the growth of internal financing.
National Consolidated Debt

(In millions paper pesos)

External (at par) Internal Total Issued Net outstanding
1937
1936

934

1224

1935

1248

1934

1234

1933

1217

1932

942

2859
2655
2242
1811
1823
1811

3793
3880
3491
3050
3040
2753

3787
3607
3350
2771
2659
2390

2398
2262

2214

2295

2208

1930

1034

1403
1227

1929

1071

1224

1931

994

2230

National Floating Debt

(In millions of pesos)
1938
1937
1936

300

1935

103

1934

890

170
80

1933
1932
1931
1930
1929

900

1070
1170
1054
737

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2. Argentina did not default on the external debt of the national
government.

3. The ergentine provinces and municipalities did default, however.
is late as December 31, 1937, 10 percent of provincial external issues were still in default.
of the dollar bonds ($250 to $300 million) issued in the 1920's,
54 percent were obligations of the national government, 40 percent
were provincial, 6 percent municipal. The undiscriminating interest
of the New York bond market and the efforts of travelling salesmen
seeking borrowers for New York bond houses in the 1920's had stimulated provincial and local governments to borrow unduly.
4. Not more than 40 percent of bonds floated in the 1920's were
used for productive purposes. Productive purposes are defined as
public works and sanitary works here. Forty-five percent went for
consolidation of floating debts incurred by customary annual deficits, and 12 percent went for armaments; 3 percent were for unbudgeted expenditures.

5. Growth of the internal market is important in assessing Argentina's
future. Traditional idea has been that wealthy Argentines either
buy land or spend money abroad. In 1914, 14 percent of funded debt

was held in Argentina. But today probably two-thirds of funded debt
is held in Argentina. As early as 1927 it was noted that over
90 percent of Mortgage Bank cedulas (1,100 million pesos) were now
held locally.

6. Borrowing by provincial and municipal governments internally
is now effectively controlled by a National Securities Commission.
Technically, Provinces can borrow without authority because they
are autonomous. Actually, however, the Securities Commission can
refuse to authorize listing on the Exchange and permission to registered brokers to deal in such bonds. Thus, national government can
restrict excessive local issues.

7. Internal market has absorption capacity of 250 million pesos
at a yield suitable for ordinary borrowing purposes (to yield to

maturity 4 to 5 percent).

In 1937, however, the speculative boom caused 560 million pesos

of internal issues to be taken up, thus overloading the market.
National government did no financing locally in 1938, although some
of the provinces attempted to float small issues (probably well
under 100 million peso total for 1938). In March 1939 an internal
issue of 150,000,000 pesos direct obli rations of national government were readily taken up to yield to maturity 5.1 percent. Half
of the issue was for ten years and mostly taken in the capital.
Half was for twenty-five years and taken in the interior provinces.
$

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Internal market is probably capable of further absorption of

100,000,000 pesos in 1939 but current uncertain economic situation
prompts carefulness on part of Securities Commission.
8. External governmental debt may be estimated at $175,000,000
obligations, $175,000,000 sterling, and $60,000,000 other currencies. Internal debt is about $1,000,000,000. Floating debt may
be about $100,000,000. Total governmental indebtedness about
$1,500,000,000.

The Argentine National Government guarantees obligations of the
National Mortgage Bank cedulas to the amount of 1,500 million pesos.

In connection with unification of internal taxes in 1935. the
National Government assumed provincial debt of 190,000,000(Which

it redeemed or converted in internal market. But the remaining
provincial and municipal obligations of 1,500,000,000 (as of
December 1937) are not guaranteed and do not constitute obligations
of the national government.
9. The good record of the national government has enabled several

profitable conversions of the external debt. In 1937, for instance,

10 6 percent issues were converted into 3 new issues, one at 45 percent and 2 at 4 percent. In 1937 extraordinary amortizations to
the extent of 475,000,000 pesos were made.

10. Since middle 1937 National Government borrowings have been small.
The internal market was overloaded in 1937, making internal issues

undesirable. Externally, operations were confined to 60,000,000 pesos
of a 2 year loan in Dutch and Swiss currencies in 1938, and
$25,000,000 loan in New York in November 1938. It was reported that
40 percent of the New York loan had been spent before issue in support of the peso. It had been intended for use by the City of Buenos
Aires to clean up the 200,000,000 peso deficit-extravagances of the
former mayor.

C. Foreign Exchange and Exchange Control System

1. The exchange value of the peso in both the "free" market and

the "official" market are given in the following table.

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Exchange Value in Argentine Pesos of the American Dollar

Official market
Buying

Free market

Selling

Yearly average:
1934
1935
1936
1937

1938

2.98
3.06
3.01
3.03
3.07

3.39
3.46
3.41
3.23
3.31

3.95
3.80
3.59
3.33
3.92

3.12
3.15
3.19
3.21
3.21

3.33
3.35
3.57
3.64
3.64

3.95
3.98
4.29
4.40
4.37

Monthly average:
1938 - Sept.
Oct.
Nov.
Dec.

1939 - Jan.
Feb.

2. Exchange control has been in effect in Argentina since 1931.
3. The aim of the Argentine exchange control and treaty arrangements is to balance Argentine foreign trade on bilateral bases.
Exchange control therefore seeks to direct trade to those countries
with which Argentina has favorable balances or trade agreements.
The United States is not such a country and consequently only
50 percent approximately of its shipments to Argentina have been
admitted at the favored official rate since exchange controls were

instituted.

The basis of the Argentine bilateral system is the Anglo-

Argentine treaty whereby Argentina agreed to grant exchange created
by a country's purchases less a reasonable amount for debt service.

The bilateral system is not universally favored in Argentina and
failure to renew the British treaty when it expires in December 1939
might lead to abandonment of the bilateral system.
4. A chronology of exchange control measures follows:
1931 (Oct. 13) - Exchange control was adopted whereby prior permits
to purchase exchange were required. The background was three

adverse years. In 1929 agricultural exports fell 9 percent in

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volume while agricultural prices were falling too; imports

rose 3 percent; balance of payments seriously adverse; Argentina
went off gold in December 1929; peso depreciated. In 1930
harvests were poor, debt flotation by government and railways
total 583,000,000 pesos and short-term repayments 233,000,000;

balance of trade unfavorable. In 1931, imports fell badly be-

cause higher duties and lower purchasing power on a depreciated

peso; harvests good but agricultural prices low; small favorable balance of trade; balance of payments adverse. Situation
critical when exchange control adopted.

1931-1933 - Up to November 10, 1933 exchange was allotted on prin-

ciple of meeting first the governmental debt service, secondly,
essential imports, etc.
But Argentina continued to import more than a vailable ex-

change and blocked balances accumulated (most simable of which
were United States and United Kingdom's.

Rate of exchange was fixed too low, stimulating imports
and demand for exchange.

An illegal exchange market soon appeared for those unable
to secure permits.
So, corrective measures had to be taken:

1933 - (1) Funded the blocked peso balances.

(2) Established free market as regulating valve to prevent
reappearance of blocked funds. Hoped higher quotations in free
market would discourage excessive imports.

(3) Required importers expecting to use official exchange
to obtain "prior permits* before bringing in merchandise. With-

out permits, must use free market.

(4) In first two years of control they had maintained
fixed rate of exchange. In 1933 decided to fix rate periodically after considering bids of holders of prior permits. But
a

peso depreciated because demand for exchange was excessive.

Thus in January 1934, peso was tied to pound sterling and fixed
official buying rate at 15 pesos to pound and selling rate at
17 to pound.

(5) Anglo-Argentine (Roca-Runciman) Agreement of 1933 pro-

vided for the unfreezing of British blocked balances and adoption

of a bilateral trade policy by Argentina.

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a. Sterling exchange equal to 12 million pesos arising
from sale of Argentine products to United Kingdom in 1933
was to be reserved for spot payment of British claims awaiting payment on May 1, 1933.

b. Other British peso balances were to be funded
into 4 percent 20 year sterling bonds of Argentine Government. (Note: October 1933 issued $13,500,000 sterling
bonds for this purpose.
C. Argentina agreed to make available exchange at official rate for payment of imports from the United Kingdom
in amount equal to the value of Argentine exports to the
United Kingdom minus 10 percent to be used for service on

the Argentine external debt. (Note: This treaty was re-

newed in 1936. Expires December 1939.)

(6) Blocked balances of United States and other countries
were subsequently unfrozen under similar arrangements.
In November 1933 an agreement was concluded between Council

of Inter-American Relations (an association of American financial
and commercial interests) and the Argentine Government, whereby

eligible blocked dollar balances were to be converted into
Argentine Treasury Bills payable in dollars in 180 monthly installments and bearing interest at 2 percent. Holders of these
bills did not exercise their option of converting them into
20 year 4 percent bonds. Note: A total of $23 million of
Treasury Bonds was issued under this agreement but holders

of a substantial amount of American balances failed to exer-

cise this funding privilege.

Same terms were accorded holders of French, Belgian, Swiss,
Dutch, Italian and Spanish blocked balances, and Treasury bills
totaling 100 million Swiss francs were issued to them.
In 1934 and 1935 European Governments occupying strong

bargaining positions negotiated with Argentina agreements similar

to the Anglo pact. In this fashion, Switzerland, Netherlands,

Rigium, Germany, Spain, Finland and Austria were assured official exchange up to amount equal to their purchases from Argentina,

minus small proportion for debt service.

1933-34-35 - Exchange control profits were used to finance guarantee
of minimum prices of grain for farmers.
1935 (April 13) - Imposed an exchange surcharge of 20 percent for

those unable to obtain official exchange. In the preceding
17 months the differential had averaged 16.2 percent; in the

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preceding 10 months 12.3 percent. The surcharge was inclusive

of the exchange differential between official and free market
selling rates. Thus, while differential was under 20 percent,
surcharge would be added to reach that level; when differential
was above 20 percent, no surcharge need be levied. The purpose
of the surcharge was to favor trade agreement countries, discourage unfavorable balances with countries tending to sell
more than their purchases in Argentina, promote a desire for
trade agreements, add to exchange control profits.

1936 (Dec. 10) - Lowered official selling rate from 17 to pound
to 16 to pound. Up to this time the free market rate had
averaged 12 percent above official selling rate. Thereafter
in 1937 there was little difference, so that the obstruction
of fair competition centered on the surcharge.
1938 - Minimum surcharge was reduced from 20 percent to 10 percent.

But central bank purchases in free market kept the differential
at about 16 percent so that the 10 percent minimum was ineffective.

1938 (Nov. 7) - Required a prior exchange permit for ALL imports.
Previously imports could always be brought in without governmental authorization provided that the importer was willing to
buy exchange at the free rate. Hereafter ALL imports required
a prior exchange permit even though the granting of permits did
not necessarily signify granting of exchange.

1938 (Nov. 7) - Raised selling rate from 16 to 17 pesos per sterling
pound but did not change buying rate. Thus doubled profits.
Immediately the free rate rose from 19 to 20.
5. The official exchange market has been absorbing about 90 percent of the export exchange. Full export exchange is not available

because exports to neighboring countries need not be handled through

official markets (neighboring countries took 9 percent of exports
in 1937) and some of the German credits, for instance, are blocked.
6. In 1937 out of the official exchange market was paid the entire
service on the exterral public debt and 83 percent of the country's
imports.

7. Into the free market has come exchange arising out of exports
to neighboring countries, new investment of capital, and sales of
official exchange by the Central Bank.

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8. Order of claims on exchange created by exports is:

First, foreign debt service;
Second, private financial service and dividends for countries granted official exchange for this purpose by
trade agreements (United Kingdom, etc.)

Third, allocations for merchandise imports, in which
priority is given to trade agreement countries and
to essential imports.

9. Allocation of official exchange created by export:
(In millions of pesos)
External Govt.

Private Dividends,
mainly R.R., etc.

Merchandise
Imports

Total

Year

Debt
198

141

788

1932

191

722

1933

91

1356
1090

201

1331

223

826

1934
1935

175

205

1936
1937

185

208

912
945

167

1338

1396
1406
2085

190

Note: Miscellaneous items are not shown here.
D. Exchange Control Profits Have Been Large

1. Chief sources of exchange control profits:

(1) Differential between official buying and official

selling rates represents profit on all remittances through
official market, except those for debt service and government
expenditures abroad. This differential was
1933 to Dec. 10, 1936 - 2 pesos per pound sterling
Dec. 10, 1936 - Nov. 7, 1938 - 1 peso
Nov. 7, 1938 - to date - 2 pesos
(2) Profit on exchange surcharge for those unable to
obtain permits for official exchange:
April 13, 1935 to Jan. 29, 1938 - 20
10percent
percent
January 29, 1938

(3) Sale of official exchange in the free market.

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2. Income and expenditure from Exchange Control Profits:
Up to December 31, 1937, in millions of pesos
Revenue

Collection of profits

421

Sales in free market

81

Debt redemption

27

Transfer in dollars and francs
Interest, etc.

5

1

Purchase and sale of gold and
foreign exchange

21

Total

556

Expenditures

Transfers and accounts to general Treasury 212

Grain Board
Dairy Board
Cotton Board
Meat Export Board

7

7

2

2

ine Board

39

Meat Board

10

Purchase and sale of gold and foreign
252

exchange

To the 20 percent surcharge fund
Total
Balance

4

538
17

3. Exchange control profits:
1933 (Nov. 28 on)
1934
1935
1936
1937

6,000,000 pesos
113,000,000
118,000,000
88,000,000
65,000,000

E. Gold Holdings

The Central Bank is required to maintain minimum reserves of gold
and exchange amounting to 25 percent of sight obligations. Note the
high proportions actually held as shown in the following table.

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Gold and Exchange Holdings of the Argentine
Central Bank and Their Ratios to Demand

Liabilities

(Units of 1,000,000 pesos)
:

:

Gold

Notes in

:

:

:Exchange:

:Gold and exchange as a
percent of

fund :circulation: Notes in :Total sight
:circulation:obligations

:

:

:

:

:

Year End
1935
1936
1937
1938

1,224
1,224
1,224
1,224

129.3
303.2
197.3
71.4

1,224
1,224
1,224
1,224
1,224
1,224
1,224

110.8
95.0
93.6
71.4
74.2
69.5
66.7

981.8

1,093.9
1,149.8
1,118.0

137.9
139.7
123.7
115.9

80.1
92.8
86.9
83.6

1,106.7
1,053.0
1,059.4
1,118.0
1,124.6
1,146.1
1,133.2

120.7
125.3
124.4
115.9
115.5
112.9
113.9

86.5
86.0
85.1
83.6
78.6
75.2
77.3

End of month

1938 - Sept.
Oct.
Nov.

Dec.

1939 - Jan.
Feb.
.

F.

Mar. 15

Trade

Comparison of Pre-war and Post-war Proportions
of Argentine Trade by Three Leading Competitors.
(In percent)

United States
Germany

Argentime Imports
United Kingdom

United States
Germany

1935

9.3

37.1
6.5

31.8
10.5

8.8

10.8

8.2

34.3
12.0
6.9

23.5
21.7
12.2

19.0
23.0
11.6

22.5
13.4
9.7

24.7
13.6
8.5

20.4
14.6
9.2

: 1919

: 1924

: 1930

26.1

23.3
10.2

32.5

12.2

31.9
22.8
0.3

30.5
14.8
17.2

23.5
35.2
0.1

6.3

1936

: 1934 :

1913

:

Argentine Exports
United Kingdom

:

: 1911- : 1917- : 1922- : 1928- : 1932-:

5.7

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G. United States - Argentine Relations
1. Of 1934-1938 shipments from United States to Argentina, about
50 percent have entered at the official exchange rate. This means
50 percent suffered the free market surcharge differential.
Percent American Exports Allocated Official Exchange:

1934 - 47 percent
1935 - 42
1936 - 49
1937 - 60
2. In 1934, 1935, 1936, we shipped 14.8 percent, 14.4 percent and
14.6 percent of total Argentine imports, but they allowed us only
7.15 percent, 6.9 percent and 9.0 percent of the official exchange
allocated for total merchandise imports. The burden of maintaining imports in 1938 from the United States at the 1937 level fell
largely upon the free market.
3. While only about 50 percent of our shipments have enjoyed official exchange, note the larger proportion for British, German
and other competitors that was cleared at the official rates.
Argentine Allocation of Official Exchange for Merchandise
Imports from the United States and Five Other Countries and the Percent of Total Imports from Each
Country Liquidated Through the Official Market
(Values in units of 1,000,000 pesos)

:

:
Germany

Belgium
France

Holland

58.0
258
93
71

49
38

34.8
95.9
86.1
97.1
85.8
96.9

Percent

:

:

:

United Kingdom

Value

:

:

United States

:

Percent

:

Value

: First 9 months

1936

81.8
263

110
73

46
49

:

1935

of 1937

Value : Percent

45.8

121

57.1

98.5
95.7
99.2
91.5
98.8

244

99.6
97.1
99.8
93.5
99.6

111
90
51
52

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United Kingdom - Argentina Balance of Payments

(In millions of dollars)
1938

Argentine exports

167.8

Argentine imports from U.K.

90.6
51.5
50.6

Freight, insurance, etc.
Yield on English investments
167.8

192.7

United States - Argentine Balance of Payments

(In millions of dollars)
1938 Estimates

Argentine exports
Government borrowing
Port dues

Private investments

41

Argentine imports

87

Service and investment yield 21

23
2

5

71

108

H. Industry

1. Argentine production is largely agricultural and pastoral.
hout 95 percent of her exports are agricultural and pastoral.
Argentina is world's largest exporter of beef, accounting for
three-fourths of total world trade. Argentina is second largest
exporter of wool and third largest producer of wool. Argentina
runs first or second with Canada as wheat producer and exporter.

Argentina is world's largest exporter of corn. Argentina is second
largest exporter of mutton. Argentina produces two-thirds of
world's linseed. Argentina is largest fruit producing and export
ing country in South America.

2. Thirty-five to 45 percent of Argentine production is for export.
3. Industrialization has been proceeding rapidly. Already it has
cost foreign manufacturers much of this market; in pre-war days
50 percent of domestic consumption was supplied by foreign manu-

facturers. Today the figure is nearer 25 percent.

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Mr. White - 14

4. Of a total investment in domestic industry in 1935 amounting
to $1,400,000,000, about 45 percent is foreign capital under foreign control and administration.
British and American direct investment in manufacturing and
utilities excluding railways is $500,000,000. Meat plants are
American and British; utilities are American and Swiss, construction firms are German and Danish, automobiles are American.

5. The relative British and American investments in Argentine are:
United Kingdom $400,000,000 sterling in direct investments
I 50,000,000 sterling in government obligations

United States $350,000,000 in direct investments
250,000,000 in government obligations.

British railways are 70 percent or more of total network and
British investment in railways is $1,250,000,000 to $1,500,000,000.

6. Argentine industrialization is most notable in textiles, knit

goods, prepared foodstuffs, etc., on which she is approaching selfsufficiency.

Argentine textile industry can supply 85 percent of total demand
for woolen goods, 40 percent of cotton goods, 95 to 100 percent of
hosiery, knit goods and silk or rayon goods.

Domestic industry already heavily protected by tariffs is
proving a sturdy obstacle to trade inroads by Japanese, Italian
low-cost producers, and by compensation currency countries; i.e.,
vested interests protest vigorously at such competition.
In 1938, for instance, textiles were depressed by excessive
imports of cheap cotton textiles, woolen goods, etc. Enormous
anti-dumping agitation arose. England is not averse to seeing
domestic industry make such demands since it will be hurt less
than Japan etc., by such legislation.

Note, however, how high the tariffs already are. Duties run

40 to 60 percent on cotton goods, 38 to 52 percent on woolen goods,
100 to 120 percent on rayon. And for goods financed through free
market there is a 20 percent exchange surcharge. And yet, domestic
industry claims protection is inadequate.

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Argentine Balance of Payments with the United States
1935-1938

(Millions of dollars)
:

1935

1936

1937

1938

139

41

:
:

Goods and Services:

Argentine Income: (+)
Merchandise exports
Port dues and fees

60

65

2

2

Total

62

67

143

43

56

59

94

87

+ 49

44

2(e)

4(e)

Argentine Outgo: (-)
Merchandise imports

Balance (Goods and services)+

+

6

8

Debts and Investments:

Argentine Income: (+)

Private investments

20

20

-

-

-

23

20

20

28

9

33

39

164

15

Government borrowings
Total

Argentine Outgo: (-)
Debt services (including
repatriation)
Profits and dividends
Total

5(e)

9

6

9

6(e)

12(e)

48

176

21

- 28

- 156

.7

- 24

- 20

- 107

- 37

-

-

39

Balance (Debts & investments)-30

Balance: Minus indicates payments of Argentina to U.S.
in excess of U.S. payments

to Argentina (exclusive of

gold flows).

Net Gold Exports:

-

+ 32

(e) designates estimate.
Note: It has been assumed that minor items such as tourist expenditures, immigrant remittances, and government expenditures on

account of their diplomatic staffs approximately offset each
other.

8.1

Not
31.8

17.6

11.5

18.3

10.1

Percent

Available

: Percent

:To U. S.

33,301

113,821

1938

445,625

250,462

161,173

260,154

Total

143,996

30,579

44,767

83,597

166,693

94,344
153,752

180,477

183,410

181,189

287,826

229,047

322,228

220,139

181,714

173,612

272,779

183,230

126,754

103,938

129,550

226,747

1,419,438
1,400,294

:
:

:

.03

.1

.1

.5

6.8
12.8

16.4

29.1

18.9

21.6

19.1

11.3

126,880 1

171,188

598,473

30.1

29.5

20.4

12.0

22,016

91,264 1

151,405

445,270

26.4

10.4

37.0

Percent

:

:To U.S.

(20)

: Percent :

:

28,683 (31)

294,866

1937

671,878

248,140

157,182

285,719

Total

157,485

31,618

34,045

170,419

475,541

275,284

113,906

1,515,121

2,310,998

:

.04
5.8
12.2

.6

.2

.03

9.3
14.6

35.1

20.4

: Percent,

(57)

: Percent:
:To U.S. :

24.6

(52)

:

9,366
96,650
1936

201,517

30,325

581,660
170,065

238,656

Total

108,065

169,464

95,300

170,043

211,296

1,655,712

1,168,211

:
Argentina - Foreign Trade 1936-1938

Exports - Market values

(In thousands of pesos m/n)

:

:

:

Imports - Tariff values

Commodities

United Kingdom

United Kingdom

Germany

Germany
Percent of salted hides.

Foodstuffs
Textiles and manufactures

Iron, steel and manufactures

Fuels and lubricants

Cattle hides

To United States

Chilled beef

Frozen beef

Frozen mutton

Canned Meat

Wool

Corn

Wheat

Machinery and vehicles

Linseed

From United States

1
Imports
Total Exports

Total Imports

Exports

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United States Trade with Argentina

(In millions of dollars)
Exports

Imports

Balance of Trade

1933

37

34

1934

43

30

13

1935

49

65

- 16

1936

57

66

-9

1937

94

139

45

1938

87

41

+ 46

1st quarter 1938

24

12

+ 12

1st quarter 1939

12

18

-6

+

3

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

247

INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

DATE May 12, 1939

TO

FROM

Secretary Morgenthau
Mr. White

Subject: Argentina

1. Is Argentina a good business risk for loans from the

United States?

Yes, Argentina is an excellent credit risk and by far

the best in South America.

(a) Argentina has an excellent record in meeting
obligations. She has been servicing her foreign debt

in full and uninterruptedly (except for certain provincial governments and municipalities) since 1900.

This record has been maintained in spite of the fact

that Argentina borrowed large sums during the 1920's,
and only 40 percent of these borrowings were used productively.

In the past three years skillful conversions and
amortization of her foreign debt has reduced the burden of external debt service. In December 1936, her
external debt was $370 millions. In 1937 the external
debt was reduced by $90 millions. In 1938 two new foreign issues were handled by private bankers, one in

Switzerland, for $12 millions, and one in the United
States, for $25 million, bringing the total external
debt, at the present time, up to $300 - $325 millions.

(b) Argentina normally needs an export excess of
$140 million to meet an unfavorable balance of payments
on capital and service account. In 1937 she had an
export excess of $240 million and accordingly was able
to repatriate much of her external debt.
In 1938, however, exports fell 40 percent while
of trade was unfavorable by $15 million, and her balance
of payments was heavily unfavorable. Argentina lost
$40 millions of her visible gold stocks, and probably
as much as $100 millions of her secret holdings of gold
imports were reduced less than 6 percent and her balance

and foreign exchange.

Prepared chiefly by Mr. Hanson

Secretary Morgenthau - 2

248

This situation was remedied in January 1939, however, by imposition of strict control over ALL imports
(whether handled through official exchange or free exchange market) Imports have been sharply ourtailed

during the first few months of 1939, and the balance of
trade was favorable by $20 million in the first quarter.
(c) Argentina has large reserves of foreign exchange
resources. The visible stock of gold is $400 millions
and the secret holdings are at least $50 millions, perhaps
more, even after the heavy losses in the bad year
of 1938.

In recent years Argentina has sought a stable ex-

change rate for the peso. When sterling left gold in
1931, the peso was pegged to the dollar; when the dollar left gold in 1933, the peso was pegged to the franc.

In 1934, when the exchange situation became acute,
Argentina again pegged the peso to the pound, where it
has remained to the present.

2. Argentina's economy is well organized for future development and her long-run exchange prospects are good.

(a) The excellent competitive position of Argentina

in the world markets is fundamentally the best guarantee
of the soundness of the foreign exchange position of
Argentina. Exports in 1936 were $550 millions, in 1937,
$750 millions and in 1938, $420 millions.
Argentina produces the largest exportable surplus
of beef in quality and at prices with which none can
compete on equal terms; she leads the world in the production of exportable surpluses of corn and linseed;
she produces wheat as cheaply as any country and prob-

ably cheaper; she is the third largest exporter of wool
and the second largest exporter of mutton.

Diversification of industry is making her less de-

pendent upon imports for manufactured goods. For her
needs of hosiery, knit goods, rayon goods, woolens, she
has recently become almost self-sufficient, and 40 percent of cotton goods requirements are now locally produced. The export trade is becoming more diversified
and less dependent upon single crops and single markets.
Cotton and fruits are among the growing agricultural
industries.

(b) The future prospects of the foreign exchange position are more optimistic because of the policy of the

government with regard to foreign ownership of public

utilities in Argentina.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 3

The government's objective is government owner-

ship of all railroads and public utilities but there

is no indication that Argentina will acquire these
properties by unilateral action. Argentina has re-

cently purchased from the British owners an important
railroad line, and now own s and operates 25 percent of
the railroads. The government has predominate control

and ownership of the oil industry. However, the government is careful not to discourage deliberately private foreign investment in other industries.

There is between $2,000 - $2,500 millions of private foreign investments in Argentina, of which 65 percent is British, 15-20 percent is American and 15-20 percent, other nationalities. It has been estimated that
about 45 percent of domestic industry -- excluding railroads -- 18 foreign owned. However, these foreign investments are principally in public utilities, meats,
automobiles and construction firms. The new and rapidly
developing consumption goods industries, such as textiles,
foodstuffs and leather, are almost entirely domestically
controlled. The government is actively and successfully
developing diversification of industry. The exchange
control profits are used to finance this program.
(c) There has been an inflow of capital into Argentina
in recent years, but no information is available as to
the dimensions of the movement. Some Argentine capital
has been repatriated. Current savings of the large landowners, which formerly were invested abroad, are now
being devoted in greater measure, to domestic invest-

ments. In 1936 and 1937 there was an influx of "hot

money" from Europe, although the movement was reversed

in 1938.

3. The government's domestic budget is administered conservatively even though the domestic debt has been increasing
steadily.

(a) Although the National Government has been incurring

budgetary deficits, these deficits have arisen from productive investments in part, and the volume of unproductive deficits has been relatively small.
The internal debt of the National Government rose
continuously from 1929 to 1938, from the equivalent of
$650 millions to the equivalent of $1,000 millions. The
deficits during these years represented an absorption

of provincial debts of $65 million, public works of
about $160 millions, and deficit financing of about
$125 millions.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 4

The public works expenditures, which are now about
$40 million per year, include armament expenditures of
about $15 millions and productive investments for the
balance. The public works are not unemployment relief
(Argentina has no unemployment problem) but genuinely

productive investments, such as sanitation, railroads

and highways.

(b) The tax base has been broadened by greater use of
the income tax and with less emphasis on customs revenue.

All internal taxes of national and local governments are
consolidated, and the issuance of securities by local

governments are under the control of the National Government. The National Government's debt service takes 20
percent of budgeted expenditures, and national defense
15 percent to 20 percent.

4. The present is an excellent opportunity for the United
States to take a decisive step in the Latin American program
by granting substantial credits to Argentina.
(a) Argentina's dependence on Great Britain is slowly
diminishing. The British are not increasing their investments in Argentina but rather have been repatriating
investments during recent years. The British Dominions
are putting pressure on England to increase imports from
the Dominion of beef, mutton, wool, grains, and conse-

quently to reduce Argentina's share of the British market.
An intangible but not unimportant factor in the lessened
importance of England in Argentina has been the waning

prestige of England in international politics.

(b) Although the percentage of Argentina's exports which
go to the United Kingdom has not declined in recent years,
the Argentine Government has no hope of increasing the
volume of exports and can only look forward to a diminishing share of that market. On the other hand, Argentina
hopes, by diversification of her export industries, to
increase the volume of her exports to the United States
and to Latin America. Furthermore, by development of
domestic manufacturing industry, Argentina hopes to d1minish the volume of her imports of consumption goods
which would consequently result in an increased volume
of machine imports of which the United States is a

favorite supplier.
(c) Since January 1939, the import control has resulted
in a severe curtailment of imports from the United States.
The discrimination against the United States will probably
be ameliorated if not entirely removed by substantial
financial assistance.

Secretary Morgenthau - 5

251

5. Argentina is not suffering any stringency requiring
immediate financial aid.

The Brazilian-American arrangement of this year stimu-

lated interest in the possibility of a similar arrangement
for Argentina. Governmental circles and the press showed
particular interest.
6. For what purposes would the Agentine Government borrow

from the United States at this time?

(a) Argentina needs to borrow about $50 million a year
for its public works program, the bulk of which is expended for productive investments. Argentina would prefer to borrow these funds in foreign markets although
she is able to borrow the funds domestically, because
she is anxious to preserve the domestic sources of capital for the use of provincial governments and for the
newly emerging domestic industries. It has been estimated
that domestic savings available for the purchase of securities amounts to the equivalent of $65-$75 millions.
Borrowing abroad would improve the immediate foreign
exchange position and permit Argentina to relax to some

extent the present restrictions on imports. Foreign

borrowing would permit Argentina to indulge in a less
favorable balance of trade during the present period of
low agricultural prices.
(b) The Argentine Government would probably be interested

in raising a foreign loan at a low rate of interest for

the purpose of buying out additional foreign owned railroads and other public utilities. The Argentine Government is anxious to proceed with its long-run objective
of government ownership of public utilities and would
undoubtedly welcome the cooperation and assistance of
the United States in furthering this program.
7. What other financial assistance would especially interest

American exporters?

Argentina would welcome foreign long-term financing of
her imports of products such as automobiles, industrial equipment and machinery and agricultural machinery. While the
bulk of Argentine importers are in sound financial condition,
the country generally would be helped in the expansion of
domestic industries if the equipment could be purchased on
long-term credits. Furthermore long-term credits of foreign
goods would help the Argentine Government in overcoming the

present period of foreign exchange stringency.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 6

Private negotiations are now under way in which American
automobile exporters are being asked to extend credits in
exchange for an increased quota of imports.
8. The present economic and trade relations between the
United States and Argentina are not good.

(a) The United States had 25 percent of the Argentine
market during the decade 1920-1929. During the depression years, our share of the market fell to a low of 13
percent in 1933 and although this percentage has been
increasing since 1933, it was only 17.5 percent in 1938.
The shares of the Argentine market going to the United
Kingdom and Germany have also been declining over the past

twenty years, but they have lost less than the United
States. Britain's share of the Argentine market is now
slightly higher than ours -- about 18 percent -- and
Germany, 10 percent. Japan entered the Argentine market
for the first time during the 1920's and now has about
4 percent of the trade. Other Latin American countries

have gained.

(b) Since 1934 Argentina has discriminated against United
States exports through its method of foreign exchange control. The Argentine Government has been granting official
exchange on a bilateral balancing basis and transfers of

foreign exchange outside of the official control pay a
20 percent differential. More than 50 percent of United
States exports to Argentina in previous years were forced
to pay the additional 20 percent while the exporters of
our principal competitors were able to obtain the bulk,

if not all, of their exchange through the official market.
(c) The Argentine Government makes large purchases abroad

for its government enterprises and in granting contracts

for large orders has been partial to firms of other nationalities according to consular reports.
9. We are in urgent need of improved trade relations with

Argentina.

(a) Argentina is attempting to follow a policy of bilateral

balancing of trade which can be carried out against the
United States only by forcibly cutting down imports from
the United States. United States exports to Argentina
would normally, in the absence of discrimination against
the United States, be greatly in excess of our imports
from Argentina.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 7

The establishment of control over imports in January
1939 was aimed at reducing the total volume of imports

into Argentina but the reduction was principally at the
expense of the United States. It is reported that Argentina
has been granting import permits for automobiles from the
United States only to the extent of 10 percent of the
amounts imported last year. Other manufactured items have
been discriminated against in the same fashion.

In the first quarter of 1939, our exports were down
37 percent. According to Argentine trade statistics, which
are subject to administrative valuation and therefore unreliable, our exports just about balanced our imports in
this first quarter. Our trade figures for this quarter,
however, indicate an unfavorable balance for the United
States of $6 millions, with total exports of $12 millions
and imports of $18 millions.
(b) A trade agreement between the United States and
Argentins has been discussed for almost three years. The
barriers to the consummation of this agreement are the un-

willingness of Argentina to discard its practices which discriminate against United States trade and the inability of
the United States to open its market to agricultural imports
from Argentina.

(c) Argentina has a deep grievance against the United States
because the United States embargoes beef imports from
Argentina under the terms of the sanitary clause in which
the Department of Agriculture proclaims that Argentine beef
is subject to the hoof and mouth disease (which it is not).
Until this embargo is lifted and Argentine beef can find a
market in the United States, this will be an important barrier to the improvement of United States-Argentine relations.
10. Argentina is ambitious to become the economic and industrial
leader in South America, and her only rival for this position is
Brazil. There is consequently continuous rivalry and competition
between these two countries. Politically, this is reflected in
any American act to aid Brazil which is not also extended to
Argentina. Argentina is, of course, generally suspicious of
United States activity in Latin America, and in the past has
tended to oppose action which is favored by the United States.
11. Our bargaining position in Argentina has usually been weak,
compared with the bargaining position of Britain, Germany or

Italy. Britain's investment in Argentina is three times ours

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Secretary Morgenthau - on

and her share of Argentine exports is three times ours. At
least 1/6 of the Argentine population is of Italian descent
and many Italians are influential. Germany cultivates Argentina
systematically and solicits the support of the influential meat-

growers by importing Argentine frozen meat.
with the Argentine people, however, the United States has
a more favorable position, and we have become even more popular
in the last few years.

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GROUP MEETING

Present:

Mr. Hanes

May 12, 1939.
10:00 A. M.

Mrs. Klotz
Mr. MoReynolds

Mr. Bell

Mr. Gibbons
Mr. Graves
Mr. Lochhead
Mr. White
Mr. Gaston

Mr. Foley

Mr. Duffield

H.M.Jr:

Herbert, you were going to give me on one page what
you'd do on taxes?

Gaston:

Yes, I'll give you that.

H.M.Jr:

Please, will you?

Gaston:

I'll do that, yes.

Hanes:

Good morning.

H.M.Jr:

Hello, Johnny.

Hanes:

How are you?

H.M.Jr:

Fine. Got anything?

Hanes:

Not a thing, no.

H.M.Jr:

Herbert?

Gaston:

No, I haven't anything.

Duffield:

(Node nothing).

Foley:

About half past nine Mr. Kieley sent a messenger
from Kirkland, Green, Fleming and Martin with a
letter from Annenberg to you.

H.M.Jr:

(Pointing to cigarette burns on letter) It's that
way - it's so hot it sizzles.

McR:

Ed has already prepared your reply.

256

-2H.M.Jr:

I'd better read it out loud.
"M. L. Annenberg.

"My dear Mr. Secretary:

"In connection with the pending investigation of
I want you to know, as I have heretofore informed
the representatives of your Department and the
Department of Justice, that it is my intention and
desire that the Treasury Department shall receive
payment for all income or other taxes due from me,
any of the members of my family, or any of the
my income taxes covering the years 1933 to 1936

corporations with which I am in any manner associated.

"I have always had this intention and I certainly
thing improper in connection with the tax returns

had never authorized or had any knowledge of any-

of myself, the members of my family, or my companies.

"Our tax returns for prior years were examined
regularly by the Treasury Department and, 80 far
as I am informed, the only return as to which there
was any controversy was that for the year 1932.
With reference to the 1932 return, which involved,

as I understood it, a debatable question with
respect to the accumulation of surplus, just as
soon as the amount of additional taxes was determined it was promptly paid. From this I had con-

cluded that our income had been properly reported
and our taxes paid.

"It is my earnest desire to pay immediately any
taxes which may be due but it is impossible for
me at this time to determine the amount due. Upon
seeking this information from the Treasury Department my attorneys have been advised that the

Department is unable to indicate the amount until
its investigation has been concluded. I have
sought myself to determine the amount but find

in order to do this an audit will be required which
will take some time. I am told that even then
there are likely to be some controversial questions.

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3-

"Under the circumstances it seems impracticable

if not futile for me to attempt to make any offer
to the Government at this time. As soon as the

amount properly due to the Government is determined upon I stand ready to make payment thereof.

"I am sending a copy of this letter to the Attorney
General."
"My dear Mr. Annenberg:

"I have your letter of May 11 in connection with
the pending investigation of your income taxes
covering the years 1933 to 1936."

Foley:
H.M.Jr:

But it only came in this morning, didn't it?
Yes.
It was delivered this morning at half past
nine.
"I have your letter dated May 11, which was received
- I mean.

Foley:

(Node approval).

H.M.Jr:

Is that necessary?

Foley:

I don't think it's necessary.

H.M.Jr:

"As you know, this matter has been turned over to

the Department of Justice for such action as it
deems advisable. Since the case is no longer in
our hands, all correspondence and discussion in
connection with it should be had with the Attorney
General. This is the uniform practice followed
by this Department in all such cases.
"I note that you have sent a copy of your letter
to the Attorney General. Accordingly, I am transmitting to him a copy of my letter."
O. K.t What?
Hanes:

All you can do.

258

-4H.M.Jr:

What?

Hanes:

All we can do. It's out of our hands.
It's out of our hands.

H.M.Jr:

(H.M.Jr. signs letter to Annenberg)
(Oh phone) Hello. - When do you (probably Professor
Viner) think you can come down and see me next

week for a day or two? - No, that's too far off.

-

You going to be in New York next week? - If you

were here just for a day - That would be perfect. - It would be perfect. - Thank you. - Thank
you. - Family all right? - That's good. I'll look
forward to seeing you. - Goodbye.

Foley:

It Game to Kieley and Kieley wouldn't open it. He
didn't want to take it. He sent the messenger down

to me. The outside envelope was addressed to
Kirkland, Green, Fleming and Martin and had been
sent by a messenger from Philadelphia this morning,

and the office sent it over here without opening
it and Kieley didn't want to open it because it
wasn't addressed to the Secretary. And I took the
liberty of opening it and preparing that reply.

You might be interested to know that Chaffetz, who
used to be with the Department of Justice and who
is now of Counsel in this case for Annenberg, told

a friend of mine - and it was reported to me - that

Moe Annenberg said to Chaffetz, "When I'm indicted,
how long can you keep me out of jail?"
Chaffetz said, "Oh, about three years."

He said, "That's all right. I'll be dead then."
H.M.Jr:

Well, I have no comment.

Foley:

Apparently he's a sick man.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'm sorry. Anything else?
Harry?

White:

I have a ohart here that I think is rather interesting. It shows the relationship of new security

259

-5issues in those five foreign countries to business activity.
H.M.Jr:

Would you give a copy of that to Mr. Hanes? What

White:

In the case of England that hump in '35 and '36
has a special explanation. It merely indicates
that the pattern in these countries is very much
the same, 80 that it's a little dubious to allocate
the low new security issues to any special circumstances prevailing in the United States.

H.M.Jr:

Anything else?

White:

I'd like to see you just for a minute afterwards.

H.M.Jr:

All right.

Lochhead:

England gained five million dollars yesterday.
That's the first time they've gained net on balance

else?

for over a month.

Lochhead:

I'd like to tell that to Cabinet. Give me - give
it to Mrs. Klotz.
That's all.

Graves:

(Node nothing).

Gibbons:

(Node nothing).

H.M.Jr:

Dan?

Bell:

The RFC is selling one million dollars worth of
railroad securities Monday.

H.M.Jr:

O. K.

Bell:

The State Department called yesterday about

H.M.Jr:

Exouse me.

H.M.Jr:

(On phone) Hello. (Holds conversation with

Attorney General Murphy).

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6-

The Attorney General is leaving on the night of
the 19th for Los Angeles; he's to be there on
the 23rd. And he wants something - said if it's
only on the labor union angle, he'd like someitthing
is. - the labor bribe. You (Hanes) know what
So I said at least we'd give him a memorandum

letting him know where we stand. But if it isn't

ready, it isn't ready. But at least he's entitled
to arest?
memorandum. Is the bribe part separate from
the

Graves:

Yes, it is, but I think it would be covered in our
report
to from
the Attorney
General. But it's entirely
separate
it.

H.M.Jr:

Well, he's leaving here on the 19th to be in

Los Angeles on the 23rd. You can talk to Mr. Hanes
and me about it again next week.
Graves:

H.M.Jr:

Yes. You want something in any case.
Well, he's entitled to a memorandum as between
departments, letting him know where we stand, so
when he goes out there and the people say, "What

18 the Administration doing?" at least he ought
action, at least he's entitled to know where the
thing stands, see? And he leaves here on the
night of the 19th.

to know; even though we are not ready to take any

Dan?

Bell:

Last week we sent to the State Department the
usual notices of the amounts due from foreign
governments on June 15. Yesterday they called
up and wanted to know what they should do with

Czechoslovakia - the notice. I said I thought
that was a decision for the Secretary of State
to make, and finally they agreed. Then they
said, "What are we going to do about publicity?"
I said, well, I thought the Secretary of State
would probably be asked just what was done
with the notice for Czechoslovakia, and that in
making the reply to the Treasury they really
ought to couch it in such terms that it could

be given out. And they said they would consider

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that.
I suppose that's all right, isn't it the reply?
H.M.Jr:

Sure.

Bell:

The other thing is the Rumanian debt proposal
which has been over here. They wanted a reply
to that - first they wanted to give it out.
That was cleared with Mr. Gaston several days
ago, has been made public. I suppose several

people here are interested in the reply - draft
of the reply. May I read it?

H.M.Jr:

Please.

Bell:

This goes to the Secretary of State.

"I have your letter of May 3 enclosing a copy of

the note from the Rumanian Minister to the United
States advising that he has been designated by

his government to commence immediate negotiations

with the United States Government for the purpose
of reaching a new agreement with respect to the

debt owed by the Rumanian Government to the United

States. In this connection he requests the State
him to appear before the appropriate authority
qualified either to accept or reject the proposals
which he will submit or to formulate counter proposals.
Department to make the necessary arrangements for

"This is your reply:
"While the Secretary of the Treasury does not have
the authority without the approval of the Congress
to conclude an agreement with any foreign government regarding its indebtedness to the United States,
I shall be glad to discuss the matter with the
Rumanian Minister to ascertain what he has in
mind and try to determine whether the President
should at this time submit to the Congress any
debt proposal the Rumanian Government might wish
to submit."

H.M.Jr:

That's all right.

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-8Bell:

O. K.

(H. M. Jr. signs letter)
I don't know what else you can say.

That's all I have.
McR:

I know what this is. Taber wants - he's asked
Eddie Bartelt to give him copies of WPA payrolls.

I told Eddie to tell him we couldn't do that.

If the Chairman of the Committee wanted to make

formal request that would be something different.

And of course, WPA has got the payrolls the same
as we have. He ought to get them from them, unless
he makes a formal request.
H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Now, Mac, what about Berney, that matter that I
brought up the other day?
McR:

Well, I haven't got the report. Harold's getting

a report.
Graves:

I have that report all ready for Mr. Mac.

H.M.Jr:

Well, give me verbally what happened.

Graves:

Well, I have examined all of Mr. Berney's files

because you wanted to know what other telegrams

might have been sent, and I found only one other
telegram which I thought might be criticized as
being unduly long.

Now, as to the justification for telegrame at all,
I think it ought to be understood that Mr. Berney
was in the field setting up these offices that
I spoke to you about the other day for the
technical staff. He had to have the offices
open and ready for business on given dates, and

that meant not only that the lease had to be prepared and space ready but he had to have the furniture in. The furniture, of course, was gotten
through Procurement.

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-9Now, since we had announced publicly that these
offices would be open on the given dates, he had

to be ready to go out and rent furniture in the
event Procurement was late in getting delivery
of the furniture which they were buying. That
meant he had to have last minute information as
to the status of these furniture deliveries. And
that, I think, accounts for and explains these
telegrams.

Now, I don't see anything to criticize in the
whole transaction except possibly that this

secretary of his used more words than more
experienced people might have used. Berney was

on the firing line in the field. He had a
definite job to do which was a hard job, and he
did it in very fine shape. And I don't think
H.M.Jr:

there 18 any warrant for any criticism of him.
But there was this one extravagant thing.

Graves:

Yes, involving maybe a couple dollars.

Now, I'd like to say this further: that this

particular transaction was reported to me at the
time. The people in the Bureau of Internal Revenue
noticed that long telegram and they called me
about it. My secretary called Mrs. Lucas and
asked her to guard against any undue prolixity
in telegrams. The matter was all disposed of.
I know of no reason why that should have been
brought up again.

H.M.Jr:
Hanes:

H.M.Jr:
Hanes:

I don't know who brought it to Mr. Hanes. I don't

know who brought it.
What's that?

This is the same telegram - this 18 Mrs. Lucas the long telegram.
Oh, it came from the Department of Internal Revenue,
because Guy is upset because this thing is charged
to his budget. That's the reason he's upset
about it.

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Graves:
McR:

Well, of course - I mean the story as I get it somebody is - I don't know, isn't it the same
thing, that somebody is trying to make trouble
for Berney? Is it?
That's right. No question about that.
Quite evident that that office down there has
been jealous of what Berney has been doing.

H.M.Jr:
McR:

It's a job that they couldn't themselves do,
fell down on, and Harold had to pick Berney up
and send him out to set those offices up, to get
them going. They didn't like it very much and
they're just sniping at him. He did a good job.
The offices were opened - never late, not a single
one - and all equipped. It was quite a job.
Well, just tell them what you told me, that when
these offices expire - what are they going to do?
One incident that I told the boss as an explanation
yesterday was that these leases that had to be
gotten on some thirty-seven field offices were
gotten with authority to extend for an additional
year. The boys down in Evans's office picked up
a Comptroller's ruling with respect to extension
which they entirely misinterpreted, and sent out
a mimeograph in which they used the Commissioner's
name, I think without his knowledge, notifying
the field offices that they couldn't take advantage
of these extension authorities, that they'd have
to readvertise and recanvass the whole thing when
the leases expired on the 30th of June. And that
was out before Graves knew anything about it and
he called the men and they admitted their error
and they cancelled that mimeograph, 80 that the
thing went smoothly.

Graves:

I think that this should be said in that connection.

That was found out by Mr. Berney, and had it not
been for his bringing the matter to my attention,
the Bureau would have had to do all over again the
job that we had just completed of making leases

for the thirty-eight offices. And you talk about

Mr. Helvering being concerned about this dollar
or two that was charged to his appropriation; that
particular activity would have cost us thousands
and thousands of dollars if it had not been solved.

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- 11 H.M.Jr:

Well, it's pretty small stuff.

Hanes:

I don't think it was the dollar or two he was complaining about. It was the fact that he had no
control over the expenditures from this office,
which I think he's justified in if these expenses
are being charged to him. I suggested to Guy
that he have those kinds of things routed through
his office. He ought to have some control of the
people that are working for him.

McR:

Well, these people are working directly for Graves

on this particular thing. He understands that.
Hanes:

I think there's a little feeling on Guy's part

that he hasn't got these things - they are charged
to him and he has no control over them. I think
he has a little feeling on his part which could be
McR:

rectified quickly.
I've talked to him a time or two; be glad to talk
to him again. But the feeling has started down
there in Evans's office.

H.M.Jr:

We crossed that with Guy Helvering when we waited

for weeks for him to O. K. this plan. And now

he's very proud of it.
Hanes:

And I think he's done everything he can to make it
work; apparently very sympathetic with it.
But he said that his expenses outside - he has no
control in his budget over about $300,000. Now,
where that comes from I don't know, but I know
he's telling me - he had a figure of about $300,000
in his budget that he said he had no control over,
and that's what he was complaining about. This
was just an example.

I told him to get you up a report, Mac, and make
a complete report of all his complaints 80 that
we would have some record of it, and that, I
presume, is coming along to you.
McR:

Well, of course, I know what's in it. Roy Blough
and Tommy

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McR:

Tarleau?

Both of those offices are paid for from Guy's
appropriation. Those fellows are working under

your jurisdiction over here. They are just as

much Revenue expenditures - just as properly

a Revenue expenditure as though they were down

there, but he hasn't direct control over them.

There's no allotment set up for them and there
ought to be an allotment. He can't have control
over them as long as there is an Undersecretary
for which these people are working. And it is
merely the question of whether that is part of
the Revenue appropriation or separate, whether
it belongs as part of the Revenue appropriation
and shouldn't be any place else. And Guy willbe entirely satisfied when we talk about it. I'm
not worried about his personal attitude. Once in
a while we have to sit down and talk.
Hanes:

That's what he needs to do now.

H.M.Jr:

It isn't fair to take it out on Berney. He's
done a good job.

Graves:

Berney has done a very fine job of work.

Gibbons:

I've had the same complaint from the Commissioner
of Customs - simply these picayune things.

H.M.Jr:

What I'd like to do - I'd like to talk to Mr. Hanes
a minute. And if Mr. Foley and White and Gibbons
would wait outside, I'd like to see each one of
them also.

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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
OF NEW YORK
May 12, 1939.

Dear Mr. Secretary:

Private placements with insurance companies returned to the fore this
week. Announcement was made of arrangements to place $114,500,000 of Common-

wealth Edison Company bonds privately with fifteen insurance companies. It is
reported to be the largest private sale on record. To refund into a lower interest
rate two issues, sold in 1931 and 1935, these bonds bring total financing by this
company in the last twelve months to $424,000,000, much the greater part of which
was for refunding. Sold as first mortgage 3 1/4s of 1979 at 102, to yield about
3.16 per cent, the latest issue has rekindled the debate on the advantages of
private sales versus public offerings registered with the Securities and Exchange
Commission.

It has also been reported that the United States Rubber Company has

obtained a reduction of interest from 4 1/4 to 5/8 per cent on $45,000,000 of
bonds placed privately last March. This transaction is not included in our
financing totals, as it involves only a change of rate on obligations the ownership of which remains undisturbed. It does, however, raise another question about
the advantages and disadvantages of private sales.

The Pacific Lighting Corporation is also refunding an issue, a $5 dividend preferred stock, plus $3 a share, being offered in exchange for a $6 dividend
preferred stock.

Although mention is made of one or two pending private placements, there

are no additions to be made to the list of issues in registration. Two fair-sized
issues totaling $19,000,000 remain in registration, and filing of the $135,000,000

Pennsylvania Power & Light Companyissue, so frequently promised, has now been
postponed to next week.

Municipal bond offerings have been somewhat more active than usual, if
one excepts the weeks when single large issues appear. Some $16,000,000 was
awarded this week. A number of borrowers have obtained the lowest interest rates

they have ever received for issues of similar maturity.
Yours faithfully,

Man Sproul,
First Vice President.
Hon. Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,

Washington, D.C.

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May 15, 1939.

Dear Mr. Sprouls

On behalf of the Secretary I - seknowledging your letter of May 13th,
commenting on the various bond offerings
of the past week. Mr. Morgenthen is
always most interested in your reports.
Sincerely yours,

H. S. Niets,
Private Secretary.

Mr. Allan Spreal,
First Vice President,
Federal Reserve Bank
of New York,
New York, New York.

Return to Room 286

GEF/dbs

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May 12, 1939

General Watson phoned the Secretary today at about

12:10, and the following is HM,Jr's part of their conversation:

"Hello, old dollar Watson.
What about General McCoy?

When I ask the President's secretary to do some-

thing for me
tion?

Wasn't General McCoy head of the A.E.F. transporta-

Well, maybe we will have to take an active officer
and order him. Would you take that up with the President?
Why, sure we can. Aren't we sending General
Marshall down to

You ask the President. They tell me they have just
sent as Military Attache, the Chief of Staff told me, a
fellow to Roumania, one of the best transportation men in
the Army. It just gets down to how much is the President
interested. I know that Craig thinks it's a mistake because he told me 80.

You and I are both working for one Roosevelt and
will you ask him if we can't get somebody;detail him on
leave of absence? I don't know now they do in the Army.

A real good motor truck transportation fellow, if we only
let him go for three months.
Well, they are not at war.
Say if you knew what the President told me the

messages he had given me to give the Chinese -- he' the
fellow who has laid down his own campaign. Do you know
that he has told them how to do their warfare and how to
do the stuff and everything else?
You ask, Pa. You ask the Boss whether he is

enough interested to detail an active officer for three
months to do this job and we will let him decide it. Fair
enough?

000-000

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May 12, 1939
10:09 a.m.
Frank
Murphy:

Hello.

HMJr:

Frank?

M:

Yes.

HMJr:
M:

You must be a mind-reader.
How's that?

HMJr:

I was thinking about you.

M:

Were you really?

HMJr:

Yeah.

M:

Say, Henry.....

HMJr:

Yeah.

M:

Both our Skidmore case and Annenberg case are in
Chicago.

HMJr:

Good 1

M:

It's been built up in fine shape in this office

HMJr:

Good !

M:

highly organized, instructions of the most careful
kind have been given to the local District Attorney and
they are both in excellent shape.

HMJr:

Yes.

M:

As a consequence it's felt in all directions. Now, I am
going to go to California a week from Tuesday.

HMJr:

Lucky man !

M:

Yeah. I've got to be out there, and I'm going to be
there three or four days. That'11 be around the 21st
and 22nd.

HMJr:

Yeah.

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If, between now and then, anything develops that's
sufficient for us to take any action on in the matter
that you phoned me about recently, I'd like to have it

M:

ready; if it's possible to have it ready by that date.

HMJr:

You'll have to be more explicit.

M:

You know that matter of the money that was paid to the
labor unions.

HMJr:

Oh, yeah -- oh, yeah.

M:

I just thought that you ought to have the information.

I'm going to be there a week from Tuesday or Wednesday.

HMJr:

I get you.

M:

And be thinking about it in the meantime, and if it is
practicable

HMJr:

I get you.

if it isn't, we don't need to, you see?

M:

HMJr:
M:

HMJr:

Well......
If it 18, it might be helpful.
Well, they -- the boys told me the earliest that they
could let me have something was the 22nd.

M:

HMJr:
M:

HMJr:

Yeah.

And -- now, when are you going to be there? -- Hello?
I'll be there a week from Tuesday.
Now that's what -- the 23rd?
Yes.

HMJr:

What?

M:

That's the twenty -- twenty-second I think.

HMJr:
M:

Well...

Twenty-third -- no, the twenty-third.

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M:

Well, -- and you'll be in San Francisco.
Later on I'm going to San Francisco.

HMJr:

Where do you go first?

M:

I'll go to Los Angeles first.

HMJr:

HMJr:

Well, I'll -- if it's physically possible, I'll -- I'll
get it to you in your hands so that you' 11 have it when
you' re there.

M:

HMJr:

All right.
I'll make every effort to have -- in any event, I'll

have a review bringing you up-to-date how far we are.

M:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Now when do you leave here?

M:

I leave here a week from Monday night. I -- I'm going

HMJr:
M:

HMJr:
M:

HMJr:

to New Mexico first.

What date is that that you're leaving?
That's the nineteenth.

And you're flying? -- Hello? -- Hello?
Yes, I'm flying.
Well, I'll do everything possible to -- I'11 certainly
give you a memorandum bringing you up-to-date.

M:

All right. Thank you, Henry.

HMJr:

Now, just a minute.

M:

Yeah.

HMJr:

I've just gotten a letter delivered to me this morning

by Moe Annenberg
M:

HMJr:

Yeah.

at nine thirty asking -- saying he wants to settle
and that he sent you a copy of this letter.

-4-

M:

HMJr:

M:

HMJr:

M:

HMJr:

M:

Yeah.

Now
this is what I've just written and signed to him,
see?
Yeah.

"I have your letter of May 11th et cetra ----,

As you know, this matter has been turned over to the
Department of Justice for such action as it deems
advisable. Since the case is no longer in our hands
all correspondence and discussion in connection with
it should be had with the Attorney General."
Um-hm.

"This is a uniform practice followed by this department
in all such cases. I note that you have sent a copy of
your letter to the Attorney General. Accordingly, I
am transmitting to him a copy of my letter."
That's exactly correct.

HMJr:

See? O.K.?

M:

That's fine.

HMJr:

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And I'll do the -- I'll certainly give you a memorandum
and -- and I'll see how far we can go for you so that
you'll have something when you are in Los Angeles.

M:

All right. Thank you very much.

HMJr:

Good bye.

M:

Good bye.

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May 12, 1939
12:02 p.m.

HMJr:
Sumner

Hello, Sumner. How are you?

Welles:

Fine, Thanks.

HMJr:

Sumner

W:

HMJr:

W:

HMJr:

W:

HMJr:

W:

HMJr:

I hope my letter wasn't too long delayed.

No. I sent it over to the President. I don't know what
he's going to do with it.
I see.

A Harry Durning came down -- a Collector of Custome of
New York.

What's his name?

Durning
-- D -- well, it's just -- just -- let's say the
Collector of Customs for New York.
I see.

The point is that he understood that the State Department
was considering appointing Ira Nelson Morris to some
position -- I'm just quoting him. And he said if the
State Department had any position in mind for Ira Nelson
Morris, why he thought the State Department ought to
know verbally that he has just paid up a hundred and

thirty thousand dollars for the last five or six years'
smuggling of jewelry.

W:

Good God !

HMJr:

But that he did this voluntarily. They say he did it

voluntarily.
Well, I appreciate very much your telling me, Henry, and
I may tell you perfectly frankly that the State Department
has never had any such idea. When poor old Jim 'Ham'
Lewis was moving heaven and earth and bombarding us all
with telegrams every day on the subject of an appointment
for him, the State Department anonymously told the President that they hoped very emphatically that he would not
be offered any appointment and the President never has
offered him any appointment and has no intention of
offering him an appointment.

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Well then, forget it.
Well, I'm very glad you told me.

HMJr:

Well I mean, the man voluntarily -- evidently this

Mrs. Lauer's case, you see, scared him.
W:

HMJr:

W:

I see.

I understand
this is an accumulation of, I don't know,
five
or six years.
Golly !

HMJr:

And so he comes in and with the fine. It comes to a
hundred and thirty thousand dollars.

W:

Well, I'm glad the Government is getting it anyhow.

HMJr:

So am I !

W:

HMJr:

Well, I'm very grateful to you for telling me, but there's
absolutely nothing in the report.
All right. Thank you.

W:

Many thanks to you, Henry.

HMJr:

Good bye.

W:

Good bye.

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MAY 1 2 1939

My dear Mr. Attorney General:

I am enclosing a copy of a letter which was delivered
to my office this morning by Mr. N.L. Annenberg, together
with a copy of my reply.

This is the matter I spoke to you about over the
telephone this morning.

Very truly yours,

Secretary

The Honorable,

The Attorney General.

Enclosures

MF/aka 5-12-39

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MAY 12 1939

My dear Mr. Annenberg:

I have your letter of May 11th in connection with the
pending investigation of your income taxes covering the
years 1933 to 1936.

As you know, this satter has been turned over to the
Department of Justice for such action as it doess advisable.
Since the case is no longer in our bands, all correspondence
and discussion in connection with it should be had with the

Attorney General. This is the uniform practice followed by
this Department in all such cases.

I note that you have sent a copy of your letter to the
Attorney General. Accordingly, I am transmitting to him a
copy of my letter.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) H. Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury.
Hr. M. L. Annenberg,

The Philadelphia Inquirer,
400 North Broad Street,
Philadelphia, Penna.

(Initialed) E. a. 2.2 are
ESF/alm 5-12-39

278

M.L. ANNENBERG

May 11, 1939

Hon. Henry Morgenthau

Secretary of the Treasury
Treasury Building
Washington, D. C.
My dear Mr. Secretary:

In connection with the pending investigation of my income taxes covering the years 1933 to 1936 I want
you to know, as I have heretofore informed the representatives
of your Department and the Department of Justice, that it is my
intention and desire that the Treasury Department shall receive
payment for all income or other taxes due from me, any of the
members of my family, or any of the corporations with which I
an in any manner associated.

I have always had this intention and I
certainly have never authorized or had any knowledge of, anything improper in connection with the tax returns of myself,
the members of my family, or my companies.

Our tax returns for prior years were
examined regularly by the Treasury Department and, so far as
I am informed, the only return as to which there was any controversy was that for the year 1932. With reference to the
1932 return, which involved, as I understood it, a debatable
question with respect to the accumulation of surplus, just as
soon as the amount of additional taxes was determined it was
promptly paid. From this I had concluded that our income had
been properly reported and our taxes paid.
It is my earnest desire to pay immediately any taxes which may be due but it is impossible for me
at this time to determine the amount due. Upon seeking this
information from the Treasury Department my attorneys have

been advised that the Department is unable to indicate the
amount until its investigation has been concluded. I have
sought myself to determine the amount but find that in order
to do this an audit will be required which will take some time.
I am told that even then there are likely to be some controversial questions.

ANNENBERG

-2Under the circumstances it seems

impracticable if not futile for me to attempt to make any
offer to the Government at this time. As soon as the amount
properly due to the Government is determined upon I stand
ready to make payment thereof.

the Attorney General.

I am sending a copy of this letter to

Respectfully yours,

M. L. Annenberg

The Philadelphia Inquirer

400 N. Broad Street
Philadelphia, Penna.

yeary

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Hon. Henry Morgenthau

Washington
Treasury Building

Secretary of the Treasury

280

MAY 12 1939

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I have your letter of May 3. 1939,
enclosing a copy of a note from the Rumanian

Minister to the United States advising that

he has been designated by his Government to
commence immediate degotiations with the
United States Government for the purpose of
reaching a new agreement with respect to the
debt owed w the Humanian Government to the

Government of the United States. In this

connection he requests the State Department
to make the necessary arrangements for him

to appear before the appropriate authority

qualified either to accept or reject the proposals he will submit or to formulate counterproposals.

While the Secretary of the Treasury
does not have the authority, without the approval of the Congress. to conclude an agreewant with any foreign government regarding

its indebtodness to the United States, I shall

be glad to discuss the matter with the Humanian
Minister to ascertain what he has in mind and
by to determine whether the President should
at this time submit to the Congress any debt
proposal the Humanian Government might wish

to submit.

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury

Honorable Oordell Hall,
Secretary of State.
State Department,

Washington. D. c.
5/12/39

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282
MAY 12 1939

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I have your letter of May 3. 1939,
enclosing a copy of a note from the Humanian

Minister to the United States advising that

he has been designated by his Government to
commence immediate negotiations with the
United States Government for the purpose of
reaching a new agreement with respect to the
debt owed by the Rumanian Government to the

Government of the United States. In this
connection he requests the State Department
to make the necessary arrangements for him

to appear before the appropriate authority

qualified either to accept or reject the proposale he will submit or to formulate counterproposals.

While the Secretary of the Treasury
does not have the authority, without the approval of the Congress, to conclude an agreement with any foreign government regarding

its indebtedness to the Uni ted States. I shall

be glad to discuss the matter with the Humanian
Minister to ascertain what he has in mind and
try to determine whether the President should
at this time submit to the Congress any debt
proposal the Rumanian Government might wish

to submit.

Sincerely yours.

Secretary of the Treasury
Honorable Cordell Hull.
Secretary of State.
State Department.
Washington. D. C.
DEBINLE/gwa

8/12/39

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MAY 12 1939

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I have your letter of May 3. 1939.

enclosing a copy of a note from the Humanian

Minister to the United States advising that

he has been designated by his Government to
commence immediate negotiations with the
United States Government for the purpose of
reaching a new agreement with respect to the
debt owed by the Rumanian Government to the

Government of the United States. In this
connection he requests the State Department
to make the necessary arrangements for him

to appear before the appropriate authority

qualified either to accept or reject the proposals he will submit or to formulate counterproposals.

While the Secretary of the Treasury
does not have the authority, without the approval of the Congress, to conclude an agreement with any foreign government regarding

its indebtedness to the United States, I shall

be glad to discuss the matter with the Humanian
Minister to ascertain what he has in mind and
try to determine whether the President should
at this time submit to the Congress any debt
proposal the Rumanian Government might wish

to submit.

Sincerely yours,

Secretary of the Treasury

Honorable Cordell Hall.
Secretary of State,
State Department.
Washington. D. C.

DEB:NLE/gen

5/12/39

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WASHINGTON

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enclosing a copy of a note from the Rumanian
Minister to the United States advising that
he has been designated by his Government to
commence immediate negotiations with the

United States Government for the purpose of
reaching a new agreement with respect to the
debt owed by the Rumanian Government to the

Government of the United States. In this connection he requests the State Department to
make the necessary arrangements for him to

appear before the appropriate authority qualified

matter

either to accept or reject the proposals he will
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286
OFFICIAL TIONS TO
SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON D.C.

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

May 3, 1939.

My dear Mr. Secretary:
The Rumanian Minister called upon me this morning
and presented a note from his Government containing an

offer to initiate discussions looking towards a new
debt settlement. I enclose a copy of the note.
The Minister then asked what arrangements would be

made for publication. I informed him that correspondence
on the subject of the intergovernmental debt was ordinarily

published and I was agreeable to giving out the text of

this note, but that I should have to first consult with
you and make sure that you agree. Would you kindly advise

me, today if possible, whether this is agreeable to you?
The Minister asked whether there was anything in

the note which raised a question in my mind. Attention
was called to the wording of paragraph one, which might

give rise to a public belief that in connection with a
debt settlement some form of trade agreement would be

discussed. I pointed out to the Minister that under
the

The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury.

Department of State
EA

ENCLOSURE
TO

drafted
ADDRESSED TO

TREASURY

287

288

-2the terms of the Trade Agreements Act, the Department

was prohibited from any such discussions. The Minister
said he so understood it, and it was arranged that when
and as the note was published and questions were asked

of me in press conference, I should say that the
Rumanian Minister of course understood that there is

no possibility of undertaking trade discussions in
connection with debt discussions.
The Rumanian Minister also brought up the question

of procedure in negotiations. He stated vigorously that
his Government did not want to be put in the position
of Hungary, of having made an offer which remained indef-

initely suspended. This explains the wording of the
final paragraph, in which he says his Government wishes

to deal with some authority that could finally accept

or reject their offer. What he has in mind is the possibility of the creation of a new debt commission. I
explained to him that I could not indicate to him whether

that might be possible or not, and that certainly it
would require full prior consultation with you and the
President, and action on the part of Congress.
Sincerely yours,
Enclosure:
From the Rumanian

Minister, May 3, 1939.

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No. 1651/P-3-I-10

May 3, 1939

Sir:

I have the honor to inform you that I have been
instructed by my Government to transmit to you an English
translation of a Note which the Romanian Ministry of Finance
has communicated to the American Minister in Bucharest:
"The Romanian Government, being desirous to

regularise the situation of its external debt by
mutual agreement with its creditors, taking at the
same time into account the prospects of Remanian

foreign trade and certain arrangements in sonnection therewith to be made with the United States
Government, is disposed to formulate proposals with
regard to the future mode of payment of its indebtedness to the United States.
"with regard to the Romanian debt to the

United States resulting from the World War, the
Romanian Government has decided to propose a mode

of payment giving due consideration to the general
economic situation and the possibilities of payment

and transfer which exist at present, or those to

e

-2

<90

be arranged between the United States and Romania.
"Insofar as Romanian bonds held by American

bondholders are concerned, it should be pointed out
that at the time when the Romanian Government concluded agreements with various European bondholders'

associations, there was no similar organisation authorised to represent the interests of American bond.
holders. Since the Romanian Government understands

that such an organization exists at present, it has
decided to propose an arrangement establishing regu-

lar permanent servicing of its bonds held by United
States nationals, taking into account Romania's capacity
of payment and transfer.
"To this effect, the Romanian Government has instructed the Romanian Minister at Washington to acm-

minicate with the United States Treasury and the Foreigh Bondholders Protective Council, Incorporated."
I have, therefore, been designated by my Government to accemence immediate negotiationswith the United State

Government for the purpose of reaching a new agreement in
respect to the debt owed by the Romanian Government to the

Government of the United States.

This action on the part of my Government is prompt

ed by its desire to fulfill its obligations and constitutes

291

s

part of its financial rehabilitation plan in course of
execution.
For obvious reasons beyond my Government's con-

trol, which I - prepared to submit in detail, my Government finds it impossible to carry out the terms of the
debt settlement agreement reached in December 1925.

As a consequence of this de facto situation, its
debt toward the United States Government continues to increase from year to year.

It is evidently imperative to eliminate the present
existing situation and the paremount question in the view of
my Government is the negotiation of a new debt settlement
agreement, suitually agreed upon, to replace the agreement
signed in December 1985.

I have the honor, therefore, to ask you to be so
good as to make the necessary arrangements for - to appear

before the appropriate authority qualified to either accept
or reject the proposals I shall submit, or formulate

292

counter proposals.

Accept, Sir, the renoved assurances of my high-

est consideration.

Radu Irinosou,
Minister of Romania.

The Honorable Cordell Hull,

Secretary of State,
Washington, D. C.

293

lost

SECRETARY OF STATE
c.

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
WASHINGTON

In reply refer to
EA

May 6, 1939

The Secretary of State presents his compliments

to the Honorable the Secretary of the Treasury and en-

closes for his information a copy of a statement
issued to the press on May 4 containing a note from the
Minister of Rumania, dated May 3, 1939, regarding the
indebtedness of the Government of Rumania to the Govern-

ment of the United States.

Enclosure:

Press release
No. 177, May 4,
1939.

H.F.

Department of State
EA

BUREAU

DIVISION

ENCLOSURE
TO

Letter drafted
ADDRESSED TO

TREASURY

193-A
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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
FOR THE PRESS

MAY 4, 1939
No. 177

TEXT OF NOTE FROM THE MINISTER OF RUMANIA AT
WASHINGTON TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE, MAY 3, 1939

"Royal Legation of Romania
Washington, D.C.
May 3, 1939.

"The Honorable Cordell Hull,
Secretary of State,
Washington, D.C.

"Sir:

"I have the honor to inform you that I have been instructed

by my Government to transmit to you an English translation of
to the American Minister in Bucharest:

a Note which the Romanian Ministry of Finance has communicated
The Romanian Government, being desirous to

regularize the situation of its external debt by

mutual agreement with its creditors, taking at the
same time into account the prospects of Romanian
foreign trade and certain arrangements in connec-

tion therewith to be made with the United States
Government, is disposed to formulate proposals with
regard to the future mode of payment of its indebtedness to the United States.
'with regard to the Romanian debt to the
United States resulting from the World War, the

Romanian Government has decided to propose a mode

of payment giving due consideration to the general
economic situation and the possibilities of payment
and transfer which exist at present, or those to
be arranged between the United States and Romania
'Insofar as Romanian bonds held by American

bondholders are concerned, it should be pointed out

that at the time when the Romanian Government concluded agreements with various European bondholders'

associations, there was no similar organization authorized to represent the interests of American bondholders. Since the Romanian Government understands
that such an organization exists at present, it has
decided to propose an arrangement ostablishing regular permanent servicing of its bonds hold by United
States nationals, taking into account Romania's capacity
of payment and transfer.
"To this effect, the Romanian Government has instructed the Romanian Minister at Washington to communicate with the United States Treasury and the Foreign Bondholders Protective Council, Incorporated.
"I have, therefore, been designated by my Government Gov- to

commence immediate negotiations with the United States
ernment for the purpose of reaching a new agreement in
respect to the debt owed by the Romanian Government to the
Government of the United States.

295
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"This action on the part of my Government is prompted

by its desire to fulfill its obligations and constitutes
part of its financial rehabilitation plan in course of execution.

"For obvious reasons beyond my Government's control,

which I am prepared to submit in detail, my Government finds

it impossible to carry out the terms of the debt settlement

agreement reached in December 1925.

"As a consequence of this de facto situation, its

debt toward the United States Government continues to increase from year to year.

"It is evidently imperative to eliminate the present

existing situation and the paramount question in the view of

my Government 18 the negotiation of a new debt settlement
agreement, mutually agreed upon, to replace the agreement
signed in December 1925.

"I have the honor, therefore, to ask you to be so

good as to make the necessary arrangements for me to appear

before the appropriate authority qualified to either accept
or reject the proposals I shall submit, or formulate
counter-proposals.

"Accept, Sir, the renowed assurances of my highest

consideration.

(Signed) R. IRIMESCU
Radu Irimoscu,

Minister of Romania."

**

296

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION
DATE

To

FROM

May 12, 1939

Secretary Morgenthau
A. Lochhead

During the past week the undertone in the foreign exchange
market has been much steadier, and the market is not under the
tension experienced in the previous few weeks. Yesterday, for the

first time in over a month, the British Equalization Fund gained

dollar exchange. This gain amounted to $5,000,000, and although
small compared to the recent losses, is an indication of the
improved sentiment.

297
PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Embassy, Paris

DATE: May 12, 4 p.m., 1939
NO.:

931

At

I was informed today by Paul Reynaud that Daladier's
speech coupled with Chamberlain's had produced a most

excellent effect on the financial position and that gold
had flowed in at an increased rate this morning.
When I asked Reynaud what the present position with

respect to the contemplated French loan to China was, he
told me that the demands of the army had increased recently

so greatly that it was now uncertain whether a loan would
be given or whether the French Government would merely

guarantee long-term credits in France for the Chinese
Government, although it had been decided at one time to

give this loan to China.
I asked Reynaud about the current report that the
House of Mendelssohn in Amsterdam and various French

banks were considering giving a loan to General Franco.
Reynaud replied that he had told the House of Mendelssohn
that French banks could not be expected to participate in
any loan to Franco under the present circumstances.
He added that until a loan should be agreeable to
the French Government, the House of Mendelssohn would not

give such a loan to Franco.

298
-2-

Reynaud told me that he had been in communication

with the British Government on this matter and that he

had told Mannheimer, in full accord with the British,
that the question of loans to Franco Spain could only be
taken up after it should be definitely determined that
Franco Spain did not intend to adopt a totalitarian system
of economy similar to the systems of Italy and Germany,

but definitely intended to attach itself tot to the
free system of economy of France, the United States,
England, Holland, Belgium, and the Dominion of Canada.
Reynaud told me that he had made the suggestion to
the British Government that Van Zeeland who will be

Belgian Prime Minister should be sent to Spain as agent
of the British and French Governments to discuss the
question of Spain's economic future with the Spanish
financial authorities and Franco. Reynaud added that
the British Government appeared to be reluctant to
accept this suggestion.
Please repeat the above to the Treasury.
BULLITT

03V13038
0001 £1 YGM
EA:DJW

299

Paraphrase of Telegram Received

From: American Embassy, Paris

onor

DATE: May 12, 5 p.m., 1939
934

NO.:

03V13038

All

FOR THE TREASURY

Very little business took place today on the exchange
market. Swiss franc and Florin are slightly weakened.
Otherwise there is almost no change in rates. It was
observed that the fund stayed aloof from the market here.

The security market was dull and without interest. This
condition is apparently caused by the circulation of vague
political rumors of a less favorable nature.
An article appeared in AGENCE ECONOMIQUE quoting

London reports that private advices received from Amsterdam

and Paris confirm rumors about negotiations for a twenty

million pound credit to Spain.
According to the statement, the Spanish Ministry of
Finance has approached a continental banking group headed
by Mendelssohn of Ameterdam and including The Banque de

Paris et des Pays bas, Lazard Freres, the Swiss Banking
Corporation of Basel and Drey fus. The official who handles

such questions in the French Finance Ministry said this
afternoon that the Ministry was not aware of such a development and believed that the French Government might not at

this time favorably regard the extension of a French credit
to Spain.
BULLITT
EA:DJW

300
GRAY

LMS

Berlin
Dated May 13, 1939

Rec'd 3:50 P. m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

359, May 13, 3 p. m.
No. 28. FOR TREASURY FROM HEATH.

The tax certificates provided for in the "new
financial plan" have made their appearance on the
German Bourses. Yesterday about 100,000 marks of the
certificates of class two WERE offered on the Berlin
BoursE at a quotation of 99.05. They are.redeemable

three years after date of issuance at 112.
After initial confusion due to large demand and
small offerings there is now an unofficial quotation
for the six months non-interest bearing tax certificates of class one. Continued possession of class one
certificates enables the holders to make deductions

from taxable income for additional amortization of
plant and Equipment and in the case of firms working

for Export to make outright deductions
April 1 from taxable
income (SEE my telegrams No. 8, Hayoits, 11 a. m. and

No. 22, April 29, 10 a. m.).
Class one certificates WERE quoted off the EX-

change at 102 and higher. It cannot yet be stated
whether or not

the

301

REB

2-#359, From Berlin, May 13, 3p.m.

the present premium of 2% plus represents the final

Estimate of the value of the tax privileges attached to

possession of these certificates. It is to be noted
that the money market is quite liquid at this time due
to the cessation of long term government issues and the

fact that private share and bond issues have not yet
been floated to any great Extent.
KIRK
NPL

JRL

03V13038
0001

al

Y&M

302
EXPORT-IMPORT BANK OF WASHINGTON
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT

WASHINGTON

hack
Confidential

May 13, 1939

My dear Mr. Secretary:
Enclosed is a memorandum of the

conversation which Mr. Jones and I had with
General Somoza and his colleagues on May 10.
Sincerely,

Warrant. Given
President

The Honorable

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

Secretary of the Treasury

303
CONFIDENTIAL

May 10, 1939

MEMORANDUM
Re: Nicaragua - Conference at Nicaraguan Legation, Wednesday, May 10, 1939

at 6:00 o'clock, P. M.

Present: President of Nicaragua, General Anastasio Somoza; The Minister of
Foreign Affairs of Nicaragua, Dr. Manuel Cordero Reyes, Minister
to United States from Nicaragua, Dr. Don Leon De Bayle; Mr. Jesse
H. Jones, Chairman, Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and
Mr. Warren Lee Pierson, President of the Export-Import Bank of
Washington.

The President of Nicaragua repeated briefly the substance of remarks he
had previously made at the conference held at the Reconstruction Finance Corporation on the afternoon of May 8, 1939. He expressed his great desire to
improve the economic condition of Nicaragua and the Nicaraguan people, in the
accomplishment of which he sought the financial assistance of the United States
Government.

The first matter discussed by the President was the need for a credit of
$1,000,000 for the National Bank of Nicaragua to be available for use from time
to time in meeting demands upon the Bank for dollar exchange.
Mr. Jones and Mr. Pierson expressed the view that because of the amount
of business ordinarily handled by the Bank any demands which might normally be
expected could be met with a sum substantially less than $1,000,000. Although

Dr. Reyes and Dr. De Bayle insisted that such credit should not be less than
$1,000,000, the President agreed with Mr. Jones and Mr. Pierson that a $500,000
credit would be ample. The President said several times that he saw no immediate reason which would require any use of this credit but the fact that it was
available would strengthen the Bank and permit its officers to operate the

institution more efficiently.

The President then outlined again the major projects which he hoped to

undertake for the benefit of Nicaragua. He referred to the necessity for
building highways in order to facilitate the exportation of Nicaraguan products.
He said also that a minor addition to the existing railways would result in
large savings to coffee producers, and in this connection he recommended the
development of a new Pacific Coast port in the Southern part of Nicaragua. He
also said that an additional steamer drawing not more than five feet of water
was urgently required to handle current traffic on Lake Nicaragua.

304

2-

In reply to Mr. Jones' inquiry regarding the specific uses to which the

President expected any loans to be expended, the President answered that
Nicaragua needed portable stone crushers, steam-rollers, trucks, bulldowers,

scrapers, hand tools, and surfacing materials. He said he did not know the

exact number required because that depended upon the speed with which the work
could be accomplished.

The President said he had no desire to borrow money for the "pleasure of
borrowing but wanted it only as it could be advantageously employed to carry
out an approved program. The President said he was especially anxious to get
value received for everything he spent and to that end was willing wherever possible to use second-hand equipment if this would result in spreading improvements
over a greater area. He reiterated again and again his wish to save money and to
see that his countrymen did the same. In this connection he remarked he held in
his hand "a big hammer" which could be used "if necessary" to curb the enthusiasm
of his fellow countrymen. In reply to a question regarding the amount which
would be required the President answered that Nicaragua "could use $100,000,000"

if that were available. However, he said he felt that $5,000,000 or $6,000,000"

would complete the most urgently needed improvement.

Mr. Jones replied that it was important first to determine the particular

improvements of most advantage to Nicaragua, the cost of which would be within

the ability of the country to meet before trying to settle upon any fixed amount.
The President indicated that this coincided with his own idea.
Mr. Jones then recommended that arrangements be made to provide immediately

the credit of $500,000 for the Bank of Nicaragua upon conditions to be worked out
by the Export-Import Bank.
Regarding the public works program, Mr. Jones suggested that a first-class
engineer be sent to Nicaragua to cooperate with the President and the engineers
of the Bureau of Public Roads in outlining a definite program. Mr. Jones said
that as soon as the President and the engineers decided upon a specific job,
orders could be promptly placed in the United States for the necessary equipment
and the work could proceed without delay. It was pointed out to the President
that it would be impossible to spend any large sum within a short time and for
that reason nothing would be accomplished by designating a particular sum which
would be expended.

At this point Dr. Reyes and Dr. De Bayle (speaking in Spanish) both urged
upon the President the necessity of advising the people of Nicaragua that there
would be instituted a public works program costing a certain amount of money.

Following their statements the President remarked that it might be difficult for
him to determine upon a program unless he knew within what financial limits it
must fall. He again stated that there was use for $100,000,000 but perhaps
$5,000,000 or $6,000,000 would be sufficient as well as within the ability of
the country to repay.

305

3-

Mr. Jones replied that it was impossible at this time for the Bank to

allocate $6,000,000, $5,000,000, or even $4,000,000, to Nicaragua and that there
was no necessity for such action since it would not be feasible to expend any
considerable sum during the next year. The President admitted that annual expenditures would probably never exceed $1,000,000.

At this point Mr. Pierson called attention to the limited capital of the

Bank and expressed the hope that no action would be taken which would make it
necessary for him to set up a present commitment which could not be utilized
except over a period of several years.

Mr. Jones added that the most important thing was the establishment of
"the principle" that the United States Government was willing to assist Nicaragua
in carrying out productive enterprises. Although Dr. Reyes and Dr. De Bayle
kept insisting to the President that he should obtain a commitment of a fixed
sum, for the purpose of impressing the Nicaraguan people, the President stated
that be was fully in sympathy with Mr. Jones' attitude and would be wellsatisfied if such an arrangement were carried into effect. He said he hoped
that the Bank would send an engineer to Nicaragua in time to be there when the
President returned, and added that someone able to advise upon harbor developments would be particularly welcome. He said he was so interested in the
prompt development of Nicaragua that he not only would appoint the best people
available in Nicaragua to assist but that he himself would "work on the job"
with the Bank's engineer to expedite progress of the work. He repeated that
he understood the reasons advanced by Mr. Jones and Mr. Pierson in not wishing
to authorise a commitment at this time in a fixed amount and said he was quite
content with the establishment of the "principle of cooperation".
Mr. Jones then summarized the whole arrangement and the President assured

him that he understood it and was in complete agreement.

At the conclusion of the conference it was agreed that letters outlining
the plan would be drafted for submission to Dr. De Bayle a day or two before
Wednesday, May 17, at which time the President expected to return to Washington.

306

May 13, 1939

To:

The Secretary

From:

Miss Lonigan E.L.

The total number of WPA workers

on May 3, 1939, is 2,733,699.
The decrease from the week ending

April 26 to the week ending May 3 was
14,841 workers.

307

WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION
Number of Workers Employed

United States

Monthly V.P.A. Employment
1938
1937

Weekly W.P.A. Employment

1939

1938

1939
MAR.

JULY

MAY

MAY

MAR.

JAN.

NOV.

SEPT.

JULY

SEPT.

NOV

WILLIONS

MILLIONS

BURKERS
WORKERS

WORKERS

3.5

3.5
WORKERS
3.4

3.4
3.2
3.3

3.2

3.3

3.2

3.2
2.8

3.1

3.1

2.0

3.0

3.0
2.9

2.4

2.9
2.4
2.8

2.8
2.7

2.0

2.7
2.6

2.0

2.6
2.5

2.5
1.6
2.4

1.6

2.4
2.3

2.3
2.2

1.2

2.2

1.2

2.1

2.1
2.0
.8

2.0
1.9

1.9
1.8

.4

1.8
1.7

1.7
1.6

1939
IIIIIIIII 1111938will mu MAY JOY SEPT.
NOV
SEPT.

0

1935

1936

1937

1938

1.6

JAN.

1939
SOURCES WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION

- and

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

MAR.

MAY

NOV.

JAN.

MAR.

WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION

Number of Workers Employed - Weekly

United States

Number of Workers
Week ending

(In thousands)

1938

August 6

August 13
August 20
August 27

2,993
3,017
3,039

3,067

September 3

3,086
3,102
3,114
3,120

October 1
October 8

3,129
3,137
3,167

September 10
September 17
September 24

October 15
October 22
October 29

November 5

November 12
November 19
November 26

December 3

December 10
December 17
December 24
December 31

1939

3,201
3,245

3,263
3,258

3,244
3,216
3,185
3,139

3,083
3,021
2,986

January 7

2,967

January 14
January 21
January 28

2,927
2,898
2,883

February 4

2,966
2,964
3,010
3,043

March 4

3,034
3,009
3,012
3,006

April 1
April 5

2,976
2,901

April 12
April 19
April 26

2,757
2,750
2,749

May 3

2,734

Feburary 11
February 18
February 25

March 11
March 18
March 25

Source:

Works Progress Administration.
Reporting date changed.
Confidential.

308

WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION

309

Number of Workers Employed - Monthly
United States
1936

January
February

March

April
May

June

July
August
September

October
November
December

Number of Workers
(In thousands)
2,926
3,036
2,872

2,570
2,340
2,256
2,249
2,377
2,482
2,581
2,483
2,192

1937

January
February

March

April
May

June

July
August
September
October
November
December

2,138
2,146
2,115
2,070
1,999
1,821
1,569
1,480
1,451
1,476
1,520
1,629

1938

January
February

August
September

1,901
2,075
2,395
2,582
2,678
2,767
2,967
3,067
3,120

October

3,245

November
December

3,216
2,986

March

April
May

June

July

1939

January
February

March

2,883
3,043
3,006
2,749

April
Source: Works Progress Administration.

a Confidential.

a

Monthly figures are weekly figures for the
latest week of the month.
They include certified and non-certified workers.

310

Monday, May 15, 1939

I gave this to the President when I saw him at

lunch today.

311

Tax Leg.
HOUSE MINORITY LEADER MARTIN DEMANDED OF THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC
LEADERSHIP TODAY WHETHER THERE WOULD BE ANY REMOVAL OF DETERRENT

TAXES" AT THIS SESSION.
TAPES, HOUSE

"THERE IS A GENERAL DEMAND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY FOR TAX REVISION
TO HELP BUSINESS AND PUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BACK TO WORK," MARTIN
BE

SAID. 'THERE ARE MANY CONFLICTING REPORTS, SOME THAT TAXES With
REVISED OTHERS THAT THEY WILL NOT. I AM ASKING THE MAJORITY LEADER
THERE WIEL BE REVISION."
MAJORITY LEADER RAYBURN TOLD MARTIN HE COULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE WAYS

AND MEANS COMMITTEE "OR THE PRESIDENT." THEN HE POINTED OUT THAT

NUISANCE TAXES RAISING $1,000,000,000 A YEAR MUST BE REENACTED, AND
THE CORPORATION TAXES WHICH EXPIRE NEXT DEC. 31, WHICH RAISE

$250,000,000 A YEAR
"JUST WHAT WILL BE REPORTED BY THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE I AM

NOT POSITION TO ANSWER," KE SAID, ADDIES THAT WHEN A BILL is
BROUGHT OUT HE BELIEVED EVERY MEMBER WOULD "HAVE A CHANCE TO OFFER
HIS AMENDMENTS.*

HE SAID OF "DETERRENT TAXES THAT "THERE IS NOT A TAX ON THE
STATUTE BOOKS, LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL, THAT IS/NOT A DETERRENT TO
CAPITAL IN SOME RESPECTS, MAKING THE POINT THAT ALL TAXES WERE
LIKED.

WELL, CAN YOU GIVE SOME ASSURANT MAT WHEN A TAXTBILL IS
PORTED IT WILL NOT BE BROUGHT OUT UNDER A GAG RULE, AND THAT WE

STAY IN SESSION UNTIL THERE IS SOME ACTION?" MARTIN DEMANDED.
AYBURN ANSWERED THAT HE DID NOT EXPECT THE MAJORITY TO MAKE ANY
TO BLOCK AMENDMENTS ON TAX LEGISLATION OR IMPOSE A GAG RULE.
5/15 ON1255P

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RAYBURN ON TAXES

MAY 15 1939

WASHN - IN THE MIDST OF A SPIRITED DISCUSSON ON TAXATION AT THE OPENING OF THE HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES TODAY REPV SAM RAYBURN
DECLARED THAT IF ALL BUSINESS DETERRENT TAXES
WERE WIPED OUT THERE WOULD BE NO TAXES LEFT
INDICATING THAT ANY TAX IS MORE OR LESS
DETERRENT - HE SAID FLATLY -THERE WILL BE A
TAX BILL- BUT ADDED THAT HE DID NOT KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT NTURE IT WOULD TAKE - HE SAID
THERE WOULD BE A PROBABLE REVISION OF
CORPORATE TAXES

-0-

12.45

TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

313

2-

CONFIDENTIAL

DATE May 15, 1939

TO

Secretary Morgenthau

FROM

Mr. Haas

FOR

Subject: The Business Situation,

Week ending May 13, 1939.
Conclusions

(1) The resumption of coal mining in the bituminous
fields this week should provide some stimulus to business,

and will help clarify the outlook for the steel industry.

A recent weakening of steel prices, on the eve of expected

volume buying by automobile companies for 1940 models, may

foreshadow within a few weeks a repetition of last November's
experience -- heavy steel buying at cut prices, concentrated
in a short period, followed by a marked improvement in steel

activity. Assurance of adequate coal supplies will
facilitate this improvement.

(2) Continued evidence of a satisfactory business foundation, with some recent indications of further improvement,
suggests that business recovery should shortly be renewed if
no new restrictive developments appear. The similarity of
the recent business trend with that of early 1938 carries a
suggestion -- borne out in part by somewhat similar basic
conditions -- that the later business trend may also bear
some resemblance to that of 1938.

(3) Commodity and security prices made further gains
during the past week, though reactionary tendencies have
appeared in commodity prices abroad. Wheat and cotton prices

have reached new highs for the year, and spot cotton is selling at levels where growers in some sections can repossess

their loan cotton at a profit.

The general situation

The trend of industrial production during the first four

months of this year has followed closely that of the same
period last year, though at a higher level, and various components of business activity have likewise followed trends

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Secretary Morgenthau - 2

closely similar. The sharp break in stock prices at the end
year early in April, and in both instances these have been
followed by a prolonged period of relative inactivity in the
stock market, with prices well supported in the face of

of March in 1938 18 matched by a corresponding break this
bearish news.

While these various similarities with developments in
1938 have no definite forecasting value, they do carry a
suggestion that the ground may be laid for a business upturn
later in the year bearing some resemblance to that of last
year, particularly in the light of basic indications which
point in the same direction.
As in the spring of 1938, goods are now moving into
consumption at a higher rate than they are currently being
produced, as indicated by our index of "consumer buying" and
suggested by our index of "basic demand". National income
payments have been well maintained, as in 1938, which suggests
that the movement of goods into consumption is not likely to
show any material decline in the months immediately ahead.
Stocks of manufactured goods, from which any discrepancy
between production and consumer buying must be drawn, have

apparently in most industries been held at conservative levels,

hence any such discrepancy must shortly be corrected.
Steel production outlook improved

A contra-seasonal upturn in steel production during the
summer seems a distinct possibility as a result of several

recent developments:

(1) The settlement of the coal strike, by relieving
anxiety over fuel supplies, may cause some upturn
in activity through reopening of steel production

facilities closed down as a precautionary measure.

(2) Increased orders from steel consumers that were

affected by the coal strike, notably the eastern
railroads, seem likely.

(3) Automobile steel buying will probably again come
into the market in large volume during the next
few weeks, following recent steel price weakness.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 3

(4) An unusually early changeover to 1940 automobile

models, designed to utilize the two World Fairs
as showplaces, may advance the fall upturns in
steel production and automobile production by about
a month.
Steel prices weaken

Price weakness similar to that of last fall is apparently
developing in the steel market, and the resulting uncertainty
has doubtless been a factor recently in discouraging new steel
ordering. It has been confined principally to automobile
steel products, where price concessions reported are about as
great as those made temporarily last fall.
This development seems a favorable one in the business

outlook, and may mark a turning point in steel activity. The

price weakness appears closely associated with buying policies
of the automobile industry. It will be recalled that last fall
the automobile companies kept out of the steel market until

late in the season, and did not buy until prices were sharply
marked down, when they ordered in a few days practically the
entire supply needed for 1939 models.

This spring the aloofness of the automobile companies has
frequently been commented upon as an important factor in preventing a normal spring increase in steel orders. In the past
few weeks, when buying of steel in heavy volume for the 1940
models appears imminent, the price structure for automobile

types of steel has again weakened. If the experience of last
fall is to be repeated, one may expect in the near future a

sharply expanded volume of steel buying from the automobile
companies, followed during the next several months by increased

production in the steel industry.
Automobile output last week held close to the low level
of the week previous, totalling 72,375 units versus 71,420.
(See Chart 1.) It will be noted that the production trend
this year has followed closely (at a higher level) the trend

of 1938. Recent reports indicate that the automobile companies

are striving to change their models a month earlier than last
year, to take advantage of the publicity value of the two
World Fairs during the vacation season. This would evidently
mean a contra-seasonal upturn in automobile production late
in August, with a corresponding early upturn in steel production.

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Secretary Morgenthau - 4

Building costs increasing
One reason for the disappointing volume of residential
contract awards during April may have been the rising trend

of construction costs, at a time when consumer incomes were

tending in the other direction. Prices of important materials
entering into residential construction have been gradually
rising since last summer, and wages of skilled labor in build-

ing trades have been increasing.

In Chart 2 we show the price trends for lumber, brick
and tile, and cement, by months beginning in 1935 (based on
1926=100). Lumber is materially cheaper now than it was
during the 1937 price boom, which was a factor in reducing
construction activity in that year, but during the past 9
months lumber prices have again been rising. The price of
cement has risen gradually in recent months to the highest
average level since 1936. Brick prices have risen more rapidly
than cement.

The increasing cost of skilled labor in the construction

industry is illustrated in the lower section of Chart 2.

This shows (on the same 1926 base) an index of hourly wage
rates compiled by the Engineering News Record, covering
union and non-union wages actually paid to carpenters, brick-

layers, and structural iron workers. While wage rates in
residential building may not be exactly similar, the trends
should be closely comparable.

Despite increasing building costs, however, new orders

for lumber continue to improve sharply. (See Chart 3.) Since
the first of the year, with one exception, new lumber orders
reported by mills weekly to the National Lumber Manufacturers'
Association have been above the total mill production reported.
While such an excess is normal during the first quarter of the

year, the upturn in new orders recently has been sharper than

is usual in this period. It will be noted that an excess of

orders over production has usually been followed by increased
production, and vice versa.
Prices improve further
Sensitive commodity prices made further gains this week,
though a reactionary tendency in prices abroad has been

reflected in a moderate downturn in Reuter's index. British

buying of wheat in world markets, which was heavy throughout

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the previous week, has been sharply reduced. Domestic
wheat prices, however, continue to be supported by adverse
crop news. A second heavy buying wave in copper developed
during the week, reflecting increased demand from fabricators,

as prices sagged again to the 10-cent level.

A factor in the demand situation has been a noticeable

increase in confidence abroad, particularly in Great Britain,
during the past week or two. This is reflected in more
optimistic news comments, in a rising trend of stock prices
in both Great Britain and France, and in a lowering of war
risk rates on ocean shipments.
Cotton prices improve

Spot cotton prices rose this week to the 9-cent level
(average at 10 markets), the highest since last July, owing
to dwindling supplies available for domestic mills. The rise
has brought spot prices in some sections to levels where

growers can sell their loan cotton at a small profit. At

Augusta, Georgia, for example, the spot price last Wednesday
rose to 9.41 cents, which compares with an average repossession

price (including carrying charges) of about 8.75. Some pressure on July futures last week was credited in the trade to
hedging of cotton released from loan stocks.
The Reconstruction Finance Corporation advises us that
their agents in Memphis and Dallas have mentioned that cotton

is beginning to move out of the loan stocks. The actual
amount repossessed by growers so far is not known, since
about 90 per cent of the 1938 stocks is held by banks and
other lending agencies, which report to the RFC only at the
end of each month.

The tightness in the spot situation created by the 1938
the more distant months in the futures market. With the New

Government loan program is evidenced by severe discounts on

York spot price quoted Wednesday at 9.46 cents, for example,
July futures were 8.46 and December futures 7.69.

We doubt, however, that the scarcity of spot cotton has
in any important degree resulted in a ourtailment of mill
activity, as claimed in some quarters. Textile production
during the first quarter of the year (as shown in Chart 4)

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Secretary Morgenthau - 6

has been maintained fully in line with our estimated basic
demand. Cotton mill activity, according to the New York
Times adjusted index, has held very steady over the past
several months. During the week ended May 6, the adjusted
index remained at a new high for the year established in the
preceding week.

Current business news

The effect of the recent coal strike on bituminous

coal production, through the week ended May 6, 1s shown in

Chart 5. of particular note is the fact that no step-up

in production preceded the strike, which makes the depletion
of coal reserves more serious, and suggests a quick resumption of heavy production. Bituminous coal has a weight of
5.6 per cent in the FRB index. The strike caused a decline
of approximately 2 points in the combined FRB index for

April, which will be down 3 to 4 points from the March figure
of 98.

The New York Times index of business activity for the
week ended May 6 declined fractionally to 86.3 from the
revised previous figure of 86.7. The decline resulted from
substantial downturns in automobile production and "all

other" carloadings, the latter reflecting reduced coal loadings. The adjusted index of lumber production was sharply
higher, while little or no change was registered in other
components.

New orders reported last week showed an upturn in all
three groups, raising our composite index to a new high
since the second week of March. Orders reported by the
U. S. Steel Corporation increased slightly to 49 per cent
of capacity from 47 per cent the previous week. This com-

pares with a current operating rate of 47 per cent for the
industry. Textile orders, and orders for products other than
steel and textiles, also showed significant impro vement.

AUTOMOBILE PRODUCTION
CARS

U.S. and Canada

THOUSANDS
150

'37

125

100
39

75

50

25

'38

Ward's Est.
o

JAN.

MAR.

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury
Dividion of Research and Statistics

MAY

JULY

SEPT.

NOV.

C-233

PRICES OF SELECTED CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS

AND WAGE RATES IN BUILDING INDUSTRY
1926 100
1936

1935

PER

I 938

1937

939

PER

CENT

CENT

Construction Materials
105
105

100

100

1926 LEVEL
LUMBER
95
95

90

90

PORTLAND CEMENT

BRICK AND TILE

85
85

80

80

75

75

1936

1935

1937

1938

1939
120

120

Wage Rates
115

115

110
110

105

105

100

100

1926 LEVEL

95

95

90

90

85

85

80

80

1936

1935

1937

1938

1939

.

320

UNION OR NON-UNION HOURLY RATES ACTUALLY PAID TO CARPENTERS, BRICKLAYERS.
AND STRUCTURAL IRONWORKERS IN HEAVY CONSTRUCTION IN 20 CITIES.
Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

Division of - and I

c 271

Chart 2
CONFIDE

2

8

321
Chart 3

TEXTILE PRODUCTION AND ESTIMATED BASIC DEMAND
1923 '25 - 100
TT

PER

1932

1933

1934

1935

1936

1937

1939

1938

PER

CENT

CENT

140

140

130

130

120

120

Production, F.R.B.

P

110

110

(SEASONALLY ADJUSTED)

100

100

Estimated Basic Demand
90

90

80

80

70

70

60

60

50

-

1932

- - and I

the Secretary of the Treasury

1933

1934

1935

1936

1937

1938

1939

50

c 189 A

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Chart 5

BITUMINOUS COAL PRODUCTION
SHORT TONS
MILLIONS
1.8

'37
1.6

1.4

1.2

1.0

.8

38

39
.6

.4

.2

Bit. Coal Comm.
0

JAN.

MAR.

Office of the Secretary of the Treasury
Division of Research and Statistics

MAY

JULY

SEPT.

NOV.

C-233

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Revenue estimates

On the basis of 1939 calendar year business
levels unless otherwise noted

(In millions of dollars)
ior deterrents to business:
Absence of provision for carrying
over net business losses, personal
and corporate, to be deducted from
business profits of future years.

Loss from 3-year
carry-forward:
Individuals

The surtax rates in the top

Loss from limiting top
surtax rate to 60%

brackets.

Corporations
Total

Tax-exempt securities.

average 100.

7.5 - 10.8

17.8 - 167.2
25.3 - 178.0 1/
11.5
2

The complicated tax structure,
State and Federal; the increasing
cost of computing taxes.

irritants:
For example: the undistributed
profits tax.

fair tax provisions:
Limitation on deductions of corporate capital losses.
The double taxation of corporate

dividends paid to individuals

corporate normal tax payable by
corporations on their earnings,
and individual normal tax payable
by individuals from dividends

Loss from repeal

17.5

Loss from eliminating

the limitation

65.2

Loss from eliminating
dividends from the
normal individual
income tax

105.5

received.

Consolidated returns of affiliated
corporations.

Loss from restoration
of consolidated returns, including the

repeal of intercor-

porate dividends tax

54.3 to 47.6

Other detailed suggestions to be

made by Treasury Legislative
Counsel.

The range of the estimates is based on years like 1932 and 1936, preceded by

several years of declining and rising business.
In the near future there will be very little gain in revenue from eliminating future
issues of tax-exempt securities. After the outstanding tax-exempt securities are
completely retired, the gain in revenue is estimated to amount to from $179 million
to $377 million. and the additional cost in Federal interest is estimated from
$19 million to $50 million. leaving a net gain in revenue of from $160 million to
$287 million.

5/15/39

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May 15, 1939.

MEMORANDUM FOR:

Secretary Morgenthau

I would like to bring the following three matters to your
attention in connection with the current discussion of tax
revision:

1. Newspaper reports indicate that some members
of Congress are considering a compromise tax revision
program, the main elements of which would be:

(a) An annual declaration of capital
stock value instead of the present
declaration every three years;
(b) A 3-year loss carry-over; and
(c) An 18 percent flat corporate
income tax applicable to all corporations.
The undistributed profits tax feature
would be eliminated.

While no formal revenue estimate has been secured

for this combination of proposals, the net result would

be a loss of revenue of about $75,000,000 to $100,000,000

annually on the basis of 1939 levels of business. To
insure the same revenue as is produced by the existing
law, a corporation rate of perhaps 19 percent rather
than 18 percent would be required.

2. It is reported that the President has expressed
a willingness to have the undistributed profits tax
provision of the corporate income tax repealed if an
adequate substitute is introduced to prevent tax
avoidance through the piling up of corporate earnings.

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-On careful consideration, the members of our staff
do not know of any constitutional substitute except
the possible extension of personal holding company
taxation to include closely held corporations of

all kinds. Considerable difficulty would be faced

in such an extension which would need to be explored,
perhaps in cooperation with the Securities and
Exchange Commission.

3. It is not imperative that the corporation

income tax be renewed during this session. It does
not expire until December 31, 1939. and renewal in
the 1940 session of Congress would not result in
any loss of revenue to the government. It would,
however, be very desirable to have next year's
corporation taxes made definite at this session
as the uncertainty occasioned by delay would be
unsettling to business.

Rong Blough

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May 15,1939
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY'S FILES:

As requested by the President recently, the Secretary took
with him to the White House at 1:00 P.M. today, bound volumes

I and II of a memorandum entitled "Incomes and income taxes for
1929,1932 and 1937 of 100 individuals reporting spendable incomes
of $1,000,000 and over in 1929." dated December 15. 1938, pre-

pared by Mr. Blough - including supporting tables. (This is
often referred to as "the 100 richest persons material".)
The Secretary states that he offered the material to the

President, but that he did not seem to want it.
During the course of the 3:45 P.M. conference in the Secretary's
office today, he handed Mr. Blough this material and asked him to

take care of it. Following the conference Mr. Blough returned it
to Mr. Hanes' office, from whom it had been borrowed for the
Secretary.

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May 15.1939

KEMORANDOM FOR THE FILES:
As requested by the President recently, the Secretary took
with him to the White House at 1:00 P.M. today. bound volumes

I and II of a memorantum entitled *Incomes and income taxes for
1929.1932 and 1937 of 100 individuals reporting spendable incomes

of $1,000,000 and over in 1929. dated December 15. 1938. pre-

pared by Mr. Blough - including supporting tables. (This is
often referred to as "the 100 richest persons material".)
The Secretary states that he offered the material to the

President, but that he did not seen to want it.
During the course of the 3:45 P.M. conference in the Secretary's
office today, he handed Mr. Blough this material and asked him to

take care of 10. Following the conference Mr. Blough returned as
to Mr. Hanes' office, from whom 11 had been borrowed for the
Secretary.

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Dictated by Magill over the phone from NY 5/15/39
KAJOR DETERMENTS TO BUSINESS:

1. Absence of provision for carrying over net
business losses, personal and corporate, to be deducted

from business profits of future years.
2. The surtax rates in the top brackets.
S. Tax-exempt securities.
4. The complicated tax structure, State and Federal; the increasing cost of computing taxes.
TAX IRRITANTS.

1. For examples the undistributed profits tax.
UNFAIR TAX PROVISIONS

For examples

1. Limitation on deductions of corporate capital
losses.

2. The double taxation of corporate dividends
paid to individuals foorporate normal tax payable by
corporations on their earnings, and individual normal
tax payable by individuals from dividends received.

3. Consolidated returns of affiliated corporations.
4. Other detailed suggestions to be made by
Treasury Legislative Counsel.

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(INSERTION IN THE ADDRESS)

As an example of a tax irritant, I would mention

the undistributed profits tax. In its present form,
it is quite unimportant and does not accomplish the objectives which the original proposal was intended to
accomplish. The tax produces little revenue and has

little

effect on business. It has acquired prominence
as a psychological irritant, largely because of the
widespread and emotional oriticism which has been 31-

reeted against it. The end which which law sought to
attain was to prevent the accumulation of excessive

corporate surpluses. This is still an important, and
to my mind, a sound objective. The law in its present form does not attain it. Since the income tax
on corporations, of which the undistributed prefits
tax is a minor segment, expires by its own terms at
the end of this year, the solution of this problem
immediate
is a necessary part of the task of your Committee.
The Treasury stands ready to work with you on it.
1

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT
INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION

AM

DATE May 15, 1939

TO

Secretary Morgentham

FROM

V. H. Hadley
Review of the Government Market
Yook ending May 13. 1939

The government security market was strong and moderately active

during the first half of the week but levelled off toward the end of
the week. Demand was far in excess of supply during the early period

and forced Treasury bond prices up as such as 3/4 of a point in
intermediate and long issues. During the balance of the week there
was a slight reaction from these high levels and intermediate and long
term Treasury bonds closed about 1/2 to 5/8 of a point above the
previous week. Treasury notes were practically unchanged, while
guaranteed issues, in sympathy with the direct issues, were from

6 to 13/32nds higher. During the last month Treasury bond prices
have gained more than 2 points and continue at record levels.
The offering on Monday of 3/8% 1-year and 5/8% 2-year N.O.L.C.

bonds in exchange for the maturing 1-1/26 June 1 bonds was well
received in the market. Exchange subscriptions were received for
about 98% of the naturing issue. These two issues closed the week

at 100.8 bid for the 1-year and 100.16 bid for the 2-year bonds. The
entire short term guaranteed list moved up considerably as a result

of this offering and the interest thus developed in this maturity area.

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Dealers' Portfolios
Dealers' total holdings showed no net change on balance for the
week as a whole. However, Treasury bond holdings were up about $10

million during the early part of the week and closed the week $6 million
above the previous week. Home Owners Loan holdings were up $15 million
on Monday but closed the week down about $3 million. Other changes

were of no special significance.

(in Millions)
Week ended
May 6

Treasury bonds

Treasury notes (1 year)
Treasury notes (1-5 yrs.)
Treasury bills
H. O. L. c. bonds
F. F. M. 0. bonds

15.1
20.2
28.2
3.2
29.0

Week ended
May 13
20.8
21.7
27.3
0.1
26.6

0.4

1.2

96.1

96.7

Net Chance

+ 5.7
+ 1.5

- 0.9
- 3.1

- 3.4
+ 0.8
+ 0.6

Dealers' volume averaged about $180 million daily for the first half
of the week but slackened off to about $120 million at the end of the
week, Treasury bond volume was about $100 million daily for the week
as a whole.

New Security Ismee

The only new corporate bond issue was a private sale to 15
insurance companies of $114,500,000 long term bonds by Commonwealth

Edison Company. This issue, which was for refunding purposes, was

the largest private sale on record.
Corporate Bond Market

Principal feature of the corporate bond market during the week
was continued domand for high grade issues. Gilt-edged corporate

bonds have recovered practically all of their losses sustained in the

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March-April reaction. Medium grade bonds (Moody's BAA) moved slightly

higher during the week but remain a little more than 3 points below

the high level prior to the March-April reaction. They are, however,
almost 3 points above the April low.
Treasury Investment Accounts

There were no purchases or sales in the New York market for
Treasury investment account during the period May 8 through May 13.
Federal Reserve System Account

Federal Reserve replaced $44 million naturing Treasury bills
with new Treasury bills. In addition there were two Treasury bond

shifts in the account, one of $1-1/2 million 2-3/45 of 1960-65 into
intermediate bonds of 1948-51 and 1949-53, and another of $2 million

from 2s of 1947 into the 2-1/20 of 1948.

Archdiscess of Detroit

335

CHANCERY BUILDING

1984 WASHINGTON BOULEVARD

DETROIT . MICHIGAN
ARCHBISHOP'S OFFICE

May 15, 1939

My dear Mr. Morgenthau:

I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter
of May 11th enclosing a copy of your communication to Father Coughlin
under the same date.

You have every right to expect that "Social

Justice" will give to Mr. Taylor's correction of May 9th the same
prominence accorded to his erroneous statement of April 18th.

I earnestly hope that your letter to Father
Coughlin will have the desired effect.
Sincerely yours,

Archbishop of Detroit

The Honorable H. Morgenthau Jr.,

Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington, D.C.

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RE CURRENT FARM BILL

Present:

Mr. Hanes

May 15, 1939.
11:00 A. M.

Mr. Bell

Mr. Donald C. Smith
Mr. Wallace

H.M.Jr:

I asked these gentlemen to come in because I

figured it would save your time if we had everyone who had any interest in this building.

Wallace:

Maybe
I should have brought some assistants too,
I don't know.

H.M.Jr:

Well, the way you went at me at Cabinet, I don't
think you need any assistants.

Wallace:

Think I'm adequate?

H.M.Jr:

I could have answered you, but I thought I'd postpone it until we got here.

Wallace:

Would you care to have this (attached release con-

sisting of letter to Senator Smith and various

tables)? Sorry I don't

H.M.Jr:

You want me to look at this now?

Wallace:

No, not this second. I would like to call your
attention to certain tables here, though, if I
might.

H.M.Jr:

Does Mr. Kieley know that Smith is coming?

Bell:

I told him to check up.

Wallace:

In the first instance, I'd like to call your atten-

H.M.Jr:

(To Kieley) Mr. Smith?

Kieley:

I just checked.

Wallace:

In the first instance, I'd like to call your atten-

tion.

tion to Table 6, which is continued over to the
second page. As long as you're keeping a record,
I'11 leave a copy of this 80 it will be properly
introduced into the record according to the true
Senatorial style.

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Wallace:

All right.
The summary of Table 6 is on the second page, and

the point of it is this, that the farmers per capita

relative to the non-farmers per capita have steadily
been getting less than their fair share of the
national income since - well, ever since 1921; that
they got up in 1925 to 89 percent of their fair

share, but they Bank in 1932 to 34 percent of their
fair share. In that case it was their fair share
of a greatly reduced national income. And, with
benefit payments included, they rose in 1936 and

1937 to 84 percent of their fair share. And this

last year, '38, they were down to 78 percent.

With ordinary weather, without at least appropriations
equivalent to those of last year, prospects are that
they would be materially below the percentage of
1938.
The two great problems, as I see it, in our economy
are - one is the unemployment problem and two, this
unfair share of national income going to agriculture.
The unfair share going to agriculture is due primarily
to events growing out of the Great War, to the way
in which the tariff system acts, the way in which
monopoly practices of the great corporations act.
It is necessary for agriculture to have some offsetting
device. If the Treasury doesn't like processing taxes,
possibly they can figure out something else they like
better.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I can't - excuse me, I don't want to go over
this ground

(On phone) Is the Director of the Budget coming? What? - See whether he's left, please.

Excuse me, but I mean - I asked him to sit in, you
see, because as I get it there's something more
I mean in the first place, I'm not going to get
into a discussion of the policy - I mean whether

this is a good bill or a bad bill or whether it

will accomplish your objective or whether it won't,
because I haven't seen an analysis of the bill.
But if - I mean I want to discuss from our standpoint

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the 370-odd millions over and above the President's

budget.

And then, as the President said - didn't he say there
were three things we could do, one of which - didn't

he
theask
billus whether we recommend that he should veto
Wallace:

I think he was asking the Vice President whether he
should veto it, whether he should veto it saying the
money should be found, or - what was the third whether he should sign it without any statement.
(Smith comes in)

Smith:

Hello, how are you?

H.M.Jr:

Do you know Mr. Wallace, Mr. Smith?

Smith:

Yes, I do. Sorry to be late.

H.M.Jr:

The reason I asked you to come in - Mr. Wallace asked
to see me as a result of the discussion which took
place in Cabinet between himself and the President,

and which I foolishly asked to get in on. And last
I drew the public's attention to the fact that the
present bill that's going through the Senate is
week, with the President's knowledge and approval,

371 million dollars above the President's budget.
Now it's passed the Senate. And Mr. Wallace understood the President was asking the Vice President I understood he was asking us as well: Mr. Wallace
and myself as well - if it should pass, what should
he do? He did ask the Vice President what would
be the chances of its being passed.

Wallace:

I think that question which he addressed to the
Vice President - I think that came before I had
asked to see you.

H.M.Jr:

Yes, but he asked the Vice President what would be
the chances, if he vetoed it, of the veto being
overridden. And then he did ask somebody, should

he veto it, should he let it pass without his veto,
or should he approve it?

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-4Wallace:
H.M.Jr:

Well, the other was in case he signed it....
(On phone) Hello. - Well, I'm in the middle of a
conference; I'll have to call him back. And don't

let - let Mrs. Klotz take all the calls now.

Wallace:

in case he signed it, should he come out with
a statement that Congress would have to find the
money? That was one of the three.

H.M.Jr:

Well, if I could put it the way I see my responsibility as of this morning - I mean I was very
careful to state that I didn't want to discuss
whether this was a good bill or a bad bill. I am
only interested in the amount of money it will take
over and above the President's budget, which I'd
like to discuss.
Mr. Wallace's position, which he can express for

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

himself - as I understand it, he doesn't want to
discuss that, but he wants to discuss with us how
we're going to get additional revenue to meet this
increase over and above the budget. Is that right?
That's right.
Now, he being my guest, I'll let him say what he
wants to first, but - I mean he's taking the assump-

tion that there is a bill for 371 million dollars
approaching it from a different side, that the bill

more, for which we must raise additional money. I'm
shouldn't be above the budget estimate. Therefore,

I'm not interested in additional revenue.

But please, would you - now you see why I thought
Smith:

it would be helpful to me if you (Smith) would be
here, and I thought you might like to know.
I'd be glad to know what the issues are - very much,
indeed.

Wallace:

Well, in the first place, last year, if I remember
correctly, the total appropriations for these
extraordinary purposes, with 500 million for the

Soil Conservation

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-5H.M.Jr:

Smith, this (attached sheet of figures and titles
"Actual and Estimated Funds Available and Expended
for Agriculture") might be helpful.

Bell:

He's got a copy.

H.M.Jr:

Well, have you (Wallace) got a copy?

Wallace:

No.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'11 give it to you.

Wallace:

the 212 million for parity payments
I haven't seen this.

H.M.Jr:

and the 144 million from Section 32 I don't

Wallace:

know whether that's your presentation here or not.
Bell:

It's about that. They had some reappropriations,

but

Bell:

It all about added up to that, didn't it?
Yes, I think so. You're about right.

Wallace:

What would that add up to as you've got it there?

Bell:

For 1939, including good roads, you had a billion
333 million.

Wallace:

Let's center our attention on the special items.
I didn't want to get into a discussion of roads.
I think that's irrelevant. Roads is no longer with
Agriculture anyway. And I'd rather not discuss
the main part of the agriculture bill; I think it
will save us time if we focus on the special items.

Bell:

You want to leave out the Farm Security program

Wallace:

then.

The three-A program was 612.
Wallace:

That's what is up at the moment, when you get down

to it.

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-6Bell:

These two here

Wallace:

Is it 144 for Section 32?

Smith:

That's 856.

Wallace:

That gives 856.

This year, as I get it - and you correct me 1f I'm
wrong - the Senate bill has in it 500 for the Soil
Conservation, same as last year; has 225 instead of
212; and then it has in the 90 plus 113 - is it?
Bell:

Yes.

Wallace:

And that would add up to 928, is that right?
Well, I have 895 on this sheet. I have 805 million
for the Agricultural Adjustment program, which
includes 338 million dollars for surplus payments

Bell:

and parity payments.

Smith:

Your figures are correct.

Bell:

This should have been split. And then there is
90 million of - 30 percent of customs. It's about
900 million.

Wallace:

As I make it, it's 928 in the Senate bill as against
856 last year as passed by both Houses.

Bell:

756 - 612 and 144.

Wallace:

It should be 712.

Bell:

712?

H.M.Jr:

You've got the figurers here; I don't know.

Smith:

212.

Bell:

They're very hard to figure on an appropriation
basis. Got to keep them on an expenditure basis.

Wallace:

212 is the parity payment last year, and your 500
was what they actually made available. I don't
remember just what funds they came from.

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7Bell:

They reappropriated a lot of money. They did that
every year.
Awfully hard to figure on an appropriation
basis.

H.M.Jr:

How do you figure it?

Bell:

I figure it on a basis of expenditures. The three-A

program in 1939 would be about 508 million.
Smith:

Three-A has 200 million of Customs, which includes

also some of the 212 million. It includes some

carry-over from 1938 under Customs. There's 200
million expenditures, making 708 million expenditures on those two counts.
Wallace:

Well, I'm talking about appropriations this year and
appropriations last year; and as I make it out,
there was 856 appropriated last year and the Senate

bill has 928 this year.
Bell:

Well, O. K. Then let's picture that. We have 500,
212 and 144 - 856. There are some reappropriations
in there, though.

H.M.Jr:

As against what?

Bell:

As against 928 for 1940.

Wallace:

Now, I don't know whether you care to talk about

H.M.Jr:

the expenditures this year vis-a-vis last year
from the standpoint of policy or not.
Well, Henry, if I get into policy I'm beyond my
depth. Now, as I say, I haven't even had a summary
of this bill and I don't even know whether you and

the President are for this bill. I mean I only

heard what the President said at Cabinet, and as
far as he was concerned he was in a fog as far as
the bill was concerned. And I don't know whether

you're for this bill. And I think that I'm only as we say around the Treasury here, our back yard

is big enough, and our back yard is the raising
and the protecting of the revenue. When we get
outside of that, begin to talk about farm policy,
I think we're sunk. I mean I'm in no position to
debate it.

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8Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'm not sure but what that would be the only
way in which you could make yourself of service would be to talk about policy.
Not as Secretary of the Treasury. I never have.
If, for instance, the President says he wants a

billion and a half for relief and the Congress is
going to vote two billion dollars, then I begin

to raise my voice; but I don't know whether a
billion and a half is adequate, I don't know whether

two billion is adequate, for relief.

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

Well, this whole thing belongs
I don't know whether even a billion and a half or
two billions are adequate or too much. I don't know.
I wouldn't debate whether a billion and a half is

too much or too little. But if they raised it
five hundred million over and above his budget,
then I think it's time for me to raise my voice.

Smith:

Would it be pertinent for me to - I don't want to
inject extraneous things into this, but I don't have
very much background on this problem. Would it be
pertinent to raise the question as to what are the
issues in Congress or what are the problems out of
which arose this situation here where Congress has
exceeded apparently the budgetary request? I mean

I address that question to you, Mr. Wallace. Just
what are those?

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

Well, it goes back to that long fight through the
twenties for what they call agricultural equality.
May I interrupt you a minute? If you want to invite
anybody, call them over here. I don't think you
need anybody, but I mean if you feel uncomfortable

with four of us....

Wallace:

No, it's all right.

H.M.Jr:

After all, we're all friends, all working for

Wallace:

No, I was just kidding you.

Mr. Roosevelt. But if you feel that way

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9H.M.Jr:

I was just trying to save your time, because the
people here will have to advise the President on
the financial end, and instead of seeing us all
separately I thought it would be helpful

Smith:

I understand that thesis there, but I was wondering
about the more immediate problem.

Wallace:

All right. So what that counts up to in the twenties
was embodied in legislation known as the McNary-Haugen
bill. In '33 it was embodied - it twice passed the
Congress - in 1933 it was embodied into the Agricultural Adjustment Act, with the stated objective of
obtaining parity prices.
In the Agricultural Adjustment program I endeavored,
may I say, steadily to get the farmers away from
the concept of parity prices and to accept the concept
of parity income, which I felt was much sounder from
the standpoint of the economy. I wanted to get them
to the idea of - concept of balance in the economy.
I did get some acceptance for the idea of parity of

income and that was written into the legislation of
'38.

Well, steadily as the agricultural bills came up, why,
you would find - or as political campaigns were waged,
you'd find the statement made that "We haven't yet
attained parity price; we need a parity payment in
order to attain parity price; 1f we can't get parity
price that way, we propose to get parity price by

means of price-fixing legislation.

Thus far we have endeavored to divert their attention
as much as possible from price-fixing legislation.
We felt that that would tend to get away from our
whole capitalistic and democratic approach, get us
into regimentation of rather an extreme order.
Now, in the endeavor to get the parity income which
the farm leaders have been striving for steadily for
so many years and which many speeches have been

made about in all the agricultural regions, especially
the Middle West and the South, so-called parity

payments were proposed, and some of them were

passed. One of these was the cotton adjustment
payment, which I think was put through in the

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one-half of Section 32 for two successive years.
Then that was - well, you can't do anything for
one of these commodities without the other people
immediately serving notice.
Smith:

Have new commodities entered this particular
picture, or are these payments designed to increase
the cost of the cotton commodities, which has been
accepted in the picture?

Wallace:

Well, the 80-called basic commodities are those
which have been foremost in their askings - the
cotton and the wheat and the corn and the rice
and the tobacco. They were stated as basic
commodities in the Agricultural Adjustment Act of
'38, 80 they worked out in the Agricultural

Adjustment legislation in '38 a formula for

dividing parity payments between these five commodities; and in 1938 they appropriated for

carrying out the purposes of the legislation

this 212 which was above the President's budget
in 1938, and on which the President had informed
Congressional leaders that if they passed the
appropriation he would be forced to ask them for

a new source of funds in order to carry it out,
in order to make the payments. They did not get
the funds in 1938. The legislation was signed.
The President has felt steadily that Congress
did not keep faith with him in that particular.
And I haven't gotten this first-hand from the
President; I think I've been informed by some of
the farm leaders that his view with regard to this
year is that they would find the funds, and he
hasn't taken an absolutely thumbs-down 80 far
as I know against the additional payments if
Congress found the funds.

It happens that I personally stood for quite a
while, more than a year, I suspect for two years,
for processing taxes as a method of raising the
funds. It also happens that the Treasury has

been against processing taxes, that the Secretary
of the Treasury has 80 stated after a White House
conference early in January. So I suspect that

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from a practical point of view - it would seem
to me that it all would boil down to this, that
it would be up to the Treasury to indicate, in
case Congress is going to pass an extra amount
of money similar in principle to what it passed
last year - to suggest what method of raising it
would be most - raising funds would be most satisfactory to the Treasury.
H.M.Jr:

Wallace:

No, that isn't the Treasury's position. That's

what I wanted to explain. The Treasury's position
is that if the Congress passes a bill which is
within the President's budget and which is 371
million dollars less than the present bill, we
don't ask for any new taxes. And those are the I mean I'm using the figures which Mr. Bell gave
me, and I think that they're correct and they
haven't been challenged yet that I know of. But
1f the Congress decides to pass a bill which costs
371 million dollars more than the President's
budget, it is up to Congress to find the revenue,
not the Treasury. That's where you and I differ.
Yes, we do differ.

H.M.Jr:

I mean that's - Johnny, I don't know whether you I haven't had a chance, because this came up late
Friday, to discuss it with you; I don't know whether
you agree on that or not.

Hanes:

I do.

H.M.Jr:

I mean if the bill is within the President's budget,
as far as we're concerned we're not going to ask
for any new revenue. If Congress decides they

want to up it three or four hundred million dollars,
then it's up to Congress to find the revenue, we're
not going to bother with it. Because - I mean every
time Congress upped the bill, whether it was a
hundred million, two hundred million, or fifty
million, we were just running around like chickens
with our heads off.
Wallace:

Well now, in conformity with that principle, you
do feel it is your function, however, to indicate

a processing tax is bad. Is that it?

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- 12 H.M.Jr:

I feel this way. The President has a very

informal committee called the Fiscal and Monetary
Committee on which the Chairman of the Federal
Reserve Board, Chairman of the Natural Resources

Board, Director of the Budget and myself sit;

and we made a list of what we considered the most
repressive taxes and everybody agreed that the

most repressive tax of all was a processing tax.
And whatever that group's opinion 18 worth - I
don't know whether the new Director of the Budget
was given the list of taxes which are the most
repressive, whether he'd agree or not - haven't

had a chance to discuss it. But I think that
the feeling is certainly that the tax on the

consumer now is over 60 percent and if we increase

that we are moving in the wrong direction. But
I'm not
Wallace:

Well, do you feel it is repressive for the cotton

farmers of this country to get as large a share
of the national income as they got before the war?

H.M.Jr:
Wallace:

H.M.Jr:
Wallace:

H.M.Jr:
Wallace:

That gets into policy.
It's the same thing exactly as you're talking about
right now.

Well, that's where I
No, no, it's exactly the same thing.
Well, I haven't been asked to write an agricultural

bill, you see, and if I did

What you're actually saying is that it's repressive
for the cotton farmer to get as large a share
of the national income as he should get.

H.M.Jr:

You can't make me say that.

Hanes:

That isn't what he said.
It would be ridiculous to say that.

H.M.Jr:
Hanes:

He's saying that the tax you put on the consumer
for purchasing the products made from the cotton

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farmers' material is a repressive tax. I think
that's what the Secretary's position is rather
than saying that the farmer shouldn't have his
fair share.
Wallace:

It gets exactly down to that in terms of action.
It gets exactly down to that, Henry.

H.M.Jr:

Well, of course, that's your opinion. I differ
with you a hundred percent.

Wallace:

You can't differ with me.

H.M.Jr:

Because there is somebody else in the country

besides the people that make their living out

of farming.
Wallace:

Is it repressive on those people who don't make

their living out of farming to enable the farmer

to get the same share in the national income per
capita as he got before the war?
H.M.Jr:

You see, you don't, for instance, give any credit

Wallace:

going to create work for people who largely live
in the cities but who are the market for your
farmers. Now, you just wipe that off the slate.
No, that's in here as well.

H.M.Jr:

You just wipe that off the slate.

Wallace:

1 don't wipe that off the slate at all. It's in

H.M.Jr:
Wallace:

to the fact that over two billion dollars 18

the tables, on page 6.
Well, the President hasn't asked my advice.
I mean there is included as a part of the income
of the non-farming population these expenditures

in the cities. If you will study that table on

page 6, the fourth column, giving income of the

non-farm people
H.M.Jr:

Well, let me ask you a question. As Secretary of
Agriculture, are you endorsing this present bill?

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- 14 Wallace:

I think it is absolutely necessary in order to
avoid very serious national unbalance to have funds
available in addition to the five hundred million
and in addition to the ninety million. I think
you're going to find yourself in a very difficult

a of if

situation a year hence unless there 18 such money
available. to operate this As
food plan
matter
stamp
infact,
the you're
way ingoing
which

you and I would like to see it operated, it would

be necessary to have more than that.
H.M.Jr:

Well, how about the unemployment situation a year
from now? Where are we going to find ourselves

in relation to that?

Wallace:

As a matter of fact, Mr. Perkins was telling me this
morning that, now that we're cutting down on the
relief, there is a very strong drive from the various
municipalities to get larger amounts of food from
the Federal Surplus Commodities Corporation. So
if you out down on relief in order to take care of
those people that are being out off on the WPA
you're going to have to have larger sums of money,
or you're going to have people starving to death

in the cities.

H.M.Jr:

Well, you see, the expenditures are, they figure,
around nine billion dollars for 1940.

Bell:

Nine four.

H.M.Jr:

Nine billion four.

Bell:

Yes.

H.M.Jr:

Now, it's up to the President of the United States
and the Director of the Budget to advise me, to
say, "We want to make that six hundred million
dollars more." Now, if the President and the
Director of the Budget say to the Treasury, "We're
going to increase our total expenditures by six
hundred million dollars," I've got to accept it.
And then if the President says, "I want six hundred
million dollars more revenue," all right. But how
he divides the six hundred million dollars, I've
always maintained, is none of my business. I mean

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knows
how Ithis as much for Mr. Smith, 80 he
Wallace:

Who does determine it?

H.M.Jr:

The President and the Director of the Budget.

Wallace:

Well then, it's the Director of the Budget's business.

H.M.Jr:

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

I'll say this. I never have considered it mine.

He can talk for himself.

Have to correct those figures. It's nine billion
four this year and about nine billion next year.
Nine billion next year.

But I'm making the point that if the President wants
to say to me, "Henry, I've decided, in view of the
situation, that I want to increase expenditures by
five hundred million dollars, and will you please
tell me how you can finance them?" then it's up to
me to give him an answer. But where he wants to
spend the five hundred million and how he wants to

divide it is his business. Now, this is just one
segment.

Wallace:

Now, whoever does make the decision, I'd like to

have the privilege of appearing before that tribunal,

whoever it may be.
H.M.Jr:

I don't make it and I never have. That's right,
Dan, isn't it?

Bell:

(Nods yes).

H.M.Jr:

Anymore than I knew until I read in the paper that
the message on relief was going to be a billion

and a half. I mean it's particularly - now since

the Budget has been transferred over to the President - the dividing up - I don't know whether I'm
interpreting your functions as you see them or

not.
Smith:

Well, you're speaking of the division in the relief
message?

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- 16 H.M.Jr:

No, I'm simply saying this, that whatever the

figure
is for next year - what's the top figure
for the coming year?

Bell:

For relief?

H.M.Jr:

Bell:

No, total expenditures.
About nine billion.

H.M.Jr:

Nine billion. All right. Now, Mr. Wallace's bill
increases that by 370-odd million. Mr. Wallace
says

Wallace:

I think you'd be more accurate in referring to
that as the Senate draft.

H.M.Jr:

All right, the Senate draft increases it by 370.
Mr. Wallace comes over here today, as I understand it, and says to me, "You don't like this
kind of tax, you don't like that kind of tax.
Tell me what kind of tax you do like."
Now, what I say is this, that as Secretary of the
Treasury I stand on the President's nine billion.
If he wants to up it X amount, then I certainly
would have an opportunity to discuss with him
whether we should raise it through additional

deficit financing or additional new taxes. Once
that's settled, I'm out of it. But as long as
he tells me and as long as publicly he sticks by
the nine billion, I'm going to continue to shout
about nine billion.
Wallace:

All right, suppose it gets down to this. Suppose
a bill like that passes the House. Then the
question comes up that he put up to the Vice

President. Shall he veto it? Shall he veto it

with a request that the money be raised? Or I mean sign it with a request that the money be
raised? Or should he sign it with no statement?

H.M.Jr:

You're making a - just raising the question.

Wallace:

Yes. Would he ask the Secretary of the Treasury
about that, or would he ask you and me and
Director Smith about it?

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- 17 H.M.Jr:

I don't know, but I think that he'd ask the

Treasury and I can't answer because I haven't

discussed it with these people. It only happened
Friday and I left town and I haven't seen them

before this meeting. I did call Bell yesterday
and asked him if he would have some figures

ready. Other
discuss
it. than that I have had no chance to

Wallace:

There is this rather interesting thing, Henry.
You do have to - I think it is wise for the Treasury
to reckon with political forces, and I'm not using
that word now in the sense of between the two
parties, but with the political forces that come
to the surface by way of economic situations. I
really think that the Treasury has gotten into lots
of difficulty because to some extent it hasn't
reckoned with those forces. I think the Treasury
has been faced eventually by increased payments

rather than lessening payments as a result of those

forces. And I think it is appropriate for you to

consider to some extent what the inevitable forces

will be if this situation 18 handled in one way
and if it's handled in another way. I think you
ought to know about them.

H.M.Jr:

Well, the only way I know about them is by reading
the newspapers, because otherwise I have no other

way of knowing what's going on. But I can't I can't shift; I mean here a bill goes through the
Senate carrying this terrific increase and as far
as I can tell the President wasn't consulted as to
whether he was for or against this increase.

Wallace:

I think that's also true of the 212 million of last

H.M.Jr:

And so the only way I can try to keep some sense

year and of that cotton adjustment payment of the
year previous.

of financial sanity is to stick by the President's

budget. Now, I can't - every time Congress passes
an extra hundred million dollars, I'm not going to

propose a new kind of a tax; it isn't up to me.
In the first place, I've never recommended new taxes.
I can say what kind of taxes I don't like. I have
said 80.

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- 18 Smith:

I am about in this position, I think, in this con-

ference here: that the President has not mentioned
this subject to me; consequently I don't know just
what has been asked of us, whether we are to advise
him with respect to policy here, as to what should
be done immediately, if anything should be done, to
keep the amounts of money within the budget, or
whether, assuming that the bill passes the House,
the President wishes then to be advised as to what

the policy ought to be or what we think it ought to
be. I am not sure of our prescription, in other
words. I'm not sure of the references with which
we operate this morning, and what our assignment 18.

Wallace:

There is this, I think, that I should point out to

the Secretary of the Treasury with regard to cotton.
When Mr. Perkins and myself called on him in the
evening some six weeks or 80 ago

H.M.Jr:

Called on the President?

Wallace:

No, called on you. You may remember that you were

kind enough to invite us out there; I think the
four of us were present on that occasion, weren't
we, with Mr. Perkins in addition and your father.
H.M.Jr:

Yes.

Wallace:

And I came out on the assumption we were talking
about the food stamp plan, and you wanted to talk

cotton to me, so we talked both, had a very

delightful time.

You expressed your belief at that time that you
felt the most economical way of getting out of the
cotton situation was by means of an export subsidy
which might cost as much as ninety million dollars.

Now, under the President's budgetary askings as

they now stand, there could be available for cotton
export subsidy a total of only one-fourth of
Section 32, which would be fifteen million dollars.

H.M.Jr:

Why only one-fourth?

Wallace:

Because that's written into the legislation, that

only one-fourth of Section 32 can be used for only
one commodity.

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- 19 H.M.Jr:

Oh, in the Senate bill.

Bell:

In Section 32.

Wallace:

That's in Section 32; it's in the Agricultural

Adjustment Act of '38 as it stands.
Bell:

Be one-fourthof ninety or twenty-two million.

Wallace:

One-fourth of ninety plus any money that might
be left over from the Soil Conservation payments.
And the prospect for having money left over from
the Soil Conservation payments this coming year

is not great, because the participation is
unusually good this year. It was low last year

because farmers had exaggerated ideas about what

they thought prices were going to be and they
thought they would stand to profit most by taking
a chance, producing a lot, and not cooperating.

Now that they are faced with the facts of the

price situation, why, they're tickled to death
to cooperate and they are cooperating, which
means that the Soil Conservation money will be

used up quite completely. At any rate it will

be well along toward the close of the season
before we know what is left over; be a certain
amount invariably.

But the point I'm making merely is that with the
situation as it stands now there isn't money to
carry out a cotton subsidy. There isn't adequate
money to carry out a wheat subsidy. There isn't
adequate money to carry out, to the same degree

as we carried it out last year, the distribution
of food to the people on State relief, let alone

operate the food stamp plan. Of course, we would

figure on shifting over to the food stamp plan
as soon as possible, but we would figure also
that it would be desirable to do a somewhat larger
distribution than we have done there, too, on the
stamp plan. With the bill as it passed the House
you just can't do a job with cotton exports,
wheat exports, or the food stamp plan or the old-

fashioned method under Federal Surplus Commodities
Corporation.

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- 20 -

Now, I'm not saying that I can see your

position, Henry, that you just feel you have to

stand pat on the budget recommendations as they
are.

H.M.Jr:

Well, if I don't, I think I ought to be fired.

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

Well, that's your function.
I mean that's what I'm hired for.

Wallace:

Yes. But the over-all situation requires some-

what broader considerations, and I'm wondering if
perhaps Mr. Smith and I should be seeing the
President about those broader over-all considerations.

Look down the future on your cotton. Next year
you're going to be paying, I suppose, sixty million

carrying
charges on it. This year it was fortyfive million.

H.M.Jr:

I want to ask, if I could, one thing. Is the
statement that Senator Russell made correct or
isn't it? He made a statement that this bill

practically was no more expensive than the previous
ones.

Wallace:

My guess would be - I didn't see his statement my guess would be that it is based on something
like that that we were giving earlier about the
856 versus the 928.

Bell:

What he is trying to do is just put back into the
agricultural bill 225 million to take the place of

212 last year, which was not in the budget message
or in the budget document this year for 1940.
Now, the 113 million was added on top of that.

Wallace:

Frankly, I think you can do a fair job with less

H.M.Jr:

But just 80 I know where I stand - I mean is
Senator Russell right or isn't he right?
Well, he was right so far as the parity payments
were concerned. That is, what he was talking

Bell:

than 225.

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- 21 about mainly was the 212 in 1939 and 225 for 1940.
H.M.Jr:

But taking the whole picture - I mean if they pass
the Senate bill, where would that leave the Treasury
out of pocket in 40 as compared with 397 That's
what I'm interested in. How much more would we
pay out of pocket?

Bell:

Increase your total expenditures by 371 million
dollars over the 1940 estimate.

Wallace:

How much over last year's?

Bell:

Bring it up almost to the 1939 expenditure as an

over-all budgetary proposition; the agricultural
expenditure won't be materially different.

Wallace:

Be about the same as last year.

Bell:

Be about a hundred million - where you lose 18 that
you only get ninety million dollars of customs
receipts in 1940 whereas you had a hundred forty-

four in 1939; that's fifty million dollars. Now,

to make up that difference and add some more, they
put on a 113 appropriation, which makes it 203

for purposes of Section 32 instead of 144; you've
got something like a hundred million dollars

additional on agriculture.

H.M.Jr:

Well, isn't the thing.

Wallace:

It's about seventy-two million on these special

H.M.Jr:

items.

Well, Henry, isn't the thing to do to ask the
his total expenditures for 1940 above nine billion

President to decide whether he wants to increase
dollars?

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

Well, of course, I'm talking - don't like to limit
your field of discussion, but if I talk, why, I
talk about the agricultural situation.
Well, I'll be glad to be there representing what

I'm here for, and if we can have Mr. Smith there,

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- 22 why, then we'd have everybody represented. But
it isn't something that you and I can lock ourselves up in a room and decide on.
Wallace:

I'm sure you can't.

Bell:

I can't decide that the nine billion should be
question is, how do we want to raise it?
Mr. Secretary, don't you think the restoration of

Wallace:

When it comes over to Agriculture it undoubtedly

Bell:

Doesn't make any difference where it is. It seems

H.M.Jr:

made nine billion four. If it is, then the next

the capital of Commodity Credit should be added to
your figures?

will be.

to me it's a subsidy, isn't it? It will be 113

million in 1939.
Smith:

That's the restoration of the....

Bell:

Impairment of capital.

Smith:

impairment of the capital of Commodity Credit

Corporation.
Bell:

That's your loans on wheat and cotton, which are in
effect subsidy payments.

Wallace:

It's cotton primarily.

Bell:

Some wheat too; some corn, I expect, too.

Wallace:

There may be - what percentage of it would be

Bell:

I don't know. But it seemed to me to be subsidy
payments and along the same lines as your first

cotton?

two items.

Wallace:

Oh yes, I think so.

H.M.Jr:

Does that up it another hundred?

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- 23 Bell:

Yes, sir.

Wallace:

of course, making a fair comparison with the
previous year, why, it belongs in the previous
year just as much as the present year.

Bell:

Well, there is 94 million dollars in the previous
year, '38, but that took care of about three years'
accumulation - the 94 million.

Wallace:

I mean any fair analysis would prorate it over the
three years.

Bell:
H.M.Jr:

That's down on that sheet - 94 million for 1938.
Is that down on that sheet?

Bell:

Separate item. Then we put down an estimate of

fifty million dollars for 1940, which I expect
will be low in the end.
H.M.Jr:
Smith:

Smith, do you think we can go any further today
on this without seeing the Great White Father?

I don't see how we can. I mean I don't see anything

I can do about it today. It seems to me the President has to give us some definite decision, or
decision in terms of alternates, and say, "Explore
this problem for me." Don't you think? I mean
we can talk around in circles.

Wallace:

I think you're quite right.

Smith:

But we can't get the answer.

H.M.Jr:

He can't just dish it in your lap and mine and
Smith's without really facing this thing. I mean
we might be up against this same thing in a month

if they up his relief thing 250 or 300 million

dollars. Up against the same thing.
Bell:

Each one of these brings on another one. The reason
we paid the bonus to the soldiers in 1936 was be-

cause we had an appropriation of four billion eight

for relief. The people said, "If you're going to
spend all that money for that, you can spend this
two billion dollars for the soldier boys." We

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- 24 -

sent up a five hundred million dollar national

defense program this year. I've seen a good many
Congressmen and Senators the last two or three
weeks and they tell me the reason they voted for
this farm bill was because you had a five hundred
million dollar national defense program, and people
in the House say they're going to vote for it on
the same ground. This 18 going to bring on an

on
a
I
on One

education appropriation and education 18 to
to stop. That's the

pass Another group says, "You proved
that. If you can prove that, we can prove this.
We're just voting."

where bring and feel they you're the health Hill. going it. appropriation. group presses don't something way going know they

Wallace:

Well, from the standpoint of the figures agricul-

Bell:

But you compare agriculture with all the rest of
the population, do you not? Can't you pick out
groups in the population just as bad off as the
agricultural group?

H.M.Jr:

I can pick a lot a darn sight worse off.
I don't think you can pick any that are worse off
than about a million of the families in the

Wallace:

ture is at the tag end of the lot.

Southeast. I really don't.

H.M.Jr:

Well, worse or worser, it gets

Wallace:

I just don't see how you can get them any worse

Hanes:

It's pretty bad.

H.M.Jr:

In the Southeast.

Bell:

Not all farmers either, are they, down there?

Wallace:

Well, I'm talking - no, they're not all farmers.

Bell:

Compare everybody else in the same community with

off than that outfit. Do you, Hanes?

the farmers in that community and I dare say that

you'll find them as bad off.

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- 25 H.M.Jr:

Well, Henry, I'm going to lunch with the President.

Wallace:

No, I'll tell you, they're not, Danny. Really,

their situation when they get into that factory
town is just no end better than it 18 on the farms.
You look at the - it just seems like paradise to
those fellows when they get into the factory towns
It's hard for us to appreciate that. Don't you
(Hanes) feel that they

Hanes:

Some of them, different sections there - some of
them are pretty bad, but by and large the farmers
in my section of the country are not 80 very bad
off. They've got tobacco crops.

Wallace:

Of course, North Carolina actually, relative to
the past, is in better position than any other State
in the Union.

Hanes:

On account of tobacco. They've had a good money

crop. About the only section I know of in which

they've had such a good money crop - which has
been averagely good.
Wallace:

But leaving out the tobacco section in South Carolina take South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi run across that country; it's about the worst ever.

H.M.Jr:

Well, will you speak to the President, and I'11
speak to him too. I'm seeing him
You'll be seeing him. Just suppose you ask for an
appointment for the three of us.

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

Sure.

Wallace:

I don't know whether - in some ways I'd like to have

Perkins and Evans present, but maybe we'd better

hold it down to three. What do you think?

H.M.Jr:

It's up to the President. I don't know. It's his

meeting.
Wallace:

They're the administrators immediately concerned.

H.M.Jr:

Who is Evans?

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- 26 Wallace:

Evans is Administrator of Triple A. If you don't

mind including them, I'd like to have them present
just so they could see what's going on.

H.M.Jr:

What I'll do 18 this: just give him a thumbnail
sketch of what happened and say we need a meeting

with him. And I'm not going to get down, if you
don't mind - I'11 simply say
Wallace:

I'd like to have them there not for the purpose of
speaking but 80 they could get the feel of it.

H.M.Jr:

Well I'm not going - I'll simply say that - I'll

explain why - I mean that locking us up in a room
doesn't answer the thing. He's got to look at this
thing from three angles - at least three - and we

Wallace:

H.M.Jr:

think it's worthy of an hour of his time.
I think very definitely it is worthy of an hour of
his time, to really get into it and satisfy himself.
I think it is worth an hour. And would you do this
for me before the meeting? I'd love to have a very

much boiled-down summary of what the bill does and
doesn't do.
Wallace:

Well, it isn't a bill, Henry, it's just an item in

H.M.Jr:

No, the whole bill.
Oh, the whole agricultural appropriation bill. Yes,
I can get that for you readily enough. As a matter
of fact, Jump has that. You mean relative to the

Wallace:

the appropriation.

increases item by item.

H.M.Jr:

No, what does the bill do?

Wallace:

Oh, just the regular agricultural appropriation bill.
I think, Henry, for the purpose of the President
it boils down essentially

Bell:

These are the main items: General, and Agricultural
Adjustment, Section 32, Farm Security,

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- 27 Wallace:

They upped the tenancy provision twenty-five
million,
which wasdidn't
it? they, in that, or fifteen million;

Bell:

Twenty-five million on tenancy and 113 million.

H.M.Jr:

Well, I'll give him a thumbnail sketch and tell

him I think for the peace of everybody's mind,
the sooner he sees us the better.
Wallace:

I think it will be helpful if we confine the discussion to those four items. That increase in
the tenancy he might be interested in. We might
bring in, by the way, this Farm Security thing,
although at the moment that's not up in this

appropriation bill, is it?

Bell:

No. You mean the

Smith:

No, that's in the Relief. It will be in the Relief.

Wallace:

I'd like to talk to him sometime about that, but
I think it will be better not to bring it up at
this time.

Smith:

Perhaps you'd want to talk about it. I wouldn't
want to say.

Wallace:

All right, we'll leave that out. Why not confine
it just to the four items, the upping of the
tenancy, the upping of Section 32, the price adjustments, the parity payments, huh?

Bell:

Uh-huh.

Wallace:

That's three items. But how about confining it well, there's an upping of fifteen million in the
Soil Conservation over the budget.

H.M.Jr:

Well, and then the question 18 from our standpoint,
does he want to readjust his budget figures on
expenditures?

Wallace:

I would think from the standpoint of practical -

that he wouldn't want to make any readjustments,

want to stand as he is, leave the burden on

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- 28 Congress; but there is a question of how firm
a stand he wants to take relative to Congress
if it comes through. That is, what is his
eventual strategy?
H.M.Jr:
Wallace:

Yes.

He can take the position, as far as all public
but there
hits
it. is a question of just how he actually

purposes are concerned, that he's against this;
H.M.Jr:

All right, we'll ask him.

Wallace:

All right.

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the

ACTUAL AND ESTIMATED FUNDS AVAILABLE AND

807-928

EXPENDED FOR AGRICULTURE

(In millions of dollars)
1936

1937

1938

1939

1940

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
1

Funds available:
General

180.8

158.1

159.9

200.5

497.7

470.0

380.0

611.8

(30% of Customs)

92.1
251.1

109.1
195.6

125.1
131.7

144.0
175.0

90.0
123.0

roads)

666.1

74.8

180.0

201.5

205.0

1,687.8

1,007.6

976.7

1,332.8

1,418.0

131.6

163.4

143.2

183.0

161.2

508.4

484.8

323.6

508.0

604.0

24.2
138.0

42.3

200.0

209.7

38.2
180.1

179.9

90.0
125.0

243.9

350.6

236.6

231.5

212.3

1,046.1

1,250.8

921.7

1,302.4

3/1,192.5

Agricultural Adjustment
Program

Act of August 24, 1935
Farm Security Administration
Good roads (including forest
Total
Expenditures:

195.0
2/

805.0

1/

General

Agricultural Adjustment
Program

Act of August 24, 1935
(30% of Customs)

Farm Security Administration
Good roads (including forest
roads)

Total

1070.9

980.8

OMMODITY CREDIT CORPORATION

Restoration of capital
impairment

-

94.3

113.0

50.0

Includes regular appropriations and allocations of emergency funds
Includes $338M for parity payments and disposal of surplus commodities and #212 #
1940 Budget extimate
for party fruits in 1939

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Department of Agriculture
Washington, D. C.
March 2, 1939

Hon. Ellison D. Smith.
United States Senate.
Dear Senator Smith:

I am sending you herewith the statement that I presented
before your Committee on February 23, together with a set of
tables containing material requested by Senators Bankhead, Hatch,
Thonas and yourself. Please note that Tables 27 to 30. inclusive,
and the accompanying comments entitled "The Cotton Situation and

Outlook" constitute the brief summary I referred to at the beginning of my testimony. The following comments are in the nature
of a brief summary of the statistical material submitted herewith:
Table 1. Cash income from the cotton crop, including paymonts, has exceeded $850,000,000 in every scason since the 1932-33
season when the cash income amounted to only $464,000,000. A sub-

stantial part of the income from the 1938-39 crop is represented
by payments. The exchange value of the 1938-39 crop. including
payments, was 79 percent of the exchange value of the annual crops
of 1909-13. In the past 19 years there have been only 6 years
when the purchasing power of the cotton crop has approximated or
exceeded the pre-war exchange value.

Table la shows the annual farm cash income from cotton and
cottonseed on a calendar year basis contrasted with national income.
No allowance has here been made for the increasing population in

the cities and the relatively stable population engaged in producing cotton. The effect of such an adjustment would be to lower the
pro-war ratios of income from cotton to the national income.
Similar data for wheat. hogs. cattle. and tobacco are contained in Tables 2 to 5. inclusivo, and these too are subject to

the qualification that they are not on a por capita basis.

Table 6 contains a comparison of income from farm production

available for family living with similar nonfarm income on a per
capita basis. The qualification to be borne in mind in connection
with this table is that it deals with income from farm production
only and does not include income that the farm population may
receive from sources other than farm production. There are no data
available which would indicate whether or not such supplementary

income constitutes a different proportion of total farm income
than in the'pre-war years.

Table 7 shows the marked increase in the production of con-

tinuous filament rayon and rayon staple fibor in spocified countries from 1920 to 1937. It is significant to observa that the two
countrios where our exports have boon greatly curtailod, namoly
Japan and Gormany, now produco more rayon than doos the United

States and that substantial portions of rayon products in those
countries are now boing used as substitutos for cotton. The rayon
output of Japa: and Germany constitutos approximately half of the
world total. In 1937 the world production of rayon was oquivalent
to 4-1/4 million balos of cotton.
Table 8 shows the approximate value of cotton products at
various stagos of manufacture and distribution por bale of cotton.

While the cost of manufacturing different fabrics varios widely,
somo idoa of this cost can be detorminol from Tablo 8. The wholesalo value of white broadcloth for making men's shirts is 3-1/2
times the value of lint cotton, whereas the value of denim for
making overalls is 2-1/4 times the value of the lint. The average
retail value of garments includes the handling charges and profits
between wholesale and retail, as well as manufacturing cost for
converting the goods, such as denim, into the finished products,
such as overalls.

Tables 9, 10, and 11 show spot cotton prices for Brazilian,
Indian, and Egyptian cotton both in local currency and in prices

at Liverpool in terms of gold. In 1938 cotton prices in Brazil in

local currency were supported at a level above that of 1929 and
equal to 86 percent of the 10-year average in the 1920 s, whereas
in India and in Egypt 1938 prices were substantially below those
of 1929 and only about 40 percent of the 10-year average. This

support given to internal prices in Brazil through currency
operations is the basic factor in the rapid expansion in cotton

acreage. On the other hand there has boon no similar acreage
expansion in India and Egypt.

Tablo 12 contains spot pricos of American, Indian, Egyptian,
and 3razilian cotton at Liverpool and comparisons of those throo

pricos of American cotton. In 1938 the
cotton
was inwith
normal
rolation toJanuary
but by January
Growths
of Indian
American,
price
1939 in Indian cotton bocamo rolativoly choap: in fact, it was lower
relation to Amorican than in any year from 1920 to 1938 on an
annual bnsis. Tho same chango took place botwoon January 1938 and

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1939 in tho caso of Egyptian cotton in relation to American. In
the caso of Brazilian cotton, which usually sells at only a slight

discount in comparison with American, pricos in January 1939 wore
also somowhat below the usual relationship.

Table 13 shows exports from the Unitod States annually for
the seasons 1920 to 1937 and for the first half of the 1937 and
1938 seasons, togother with pricos of foreign cotton rolativo to

American.

Table 14 contains prico spreads between the monthly average
futuro and spot prices for the months of September, December, and

March for each of the soasons from 1920 to date. In recont years
in which thore have boon relatively low exports, spot pricos have
boon higher than futures in the months of December and March.

Tablo 15 deals with the total supply of American cotton in
the Unitod States and with consumption, exports, and stocks to
indicate the amount of "free" cotton available as of August 1 and
February 1 of each season from 1922 to date. Thus, for the
1938-39 season we had available a total supply of 23,000,000 balos;
by the ond of January we had consumed domestically 3,332,000; WO

had exported 2,192,000; there wore in mill stocks 1,589,000, and
in government stooks 11,011,000, making a total thus accounted for

of 18,124,000 balos. This leaves a supply of "froo" cotton as of

January 31, 1939, of 4,943,000 bales available for domestic consumption and exports for the balance of the season in addition to
mill stocks. This supply is lower than for any comparable date
in the past 15 years except 1922, 1923, and 1935. If domestic
consumption should total 3,300,000 bales during the second half
of the present season, and if mill stocks are worked down to
1,250,000 by July 31, and no further increase in loan stocks, there
would be available for export less than 2,000,000 bales during the
remainder of the present marketing season. Even some of this
small supply for export may be untenderable and unspinaable.
Tables 16 and 17. Total foreign cotton acreage increased
from 29,000,000 acres in 1921 to 59,000,000 acros in 1937. Most
of the increase in recent years has occurred in Russia, China,
Brazil, Uganda, and Argontina. In India the acronge was largor
in 1925 than it has beon in any your sinco that timo, and in Egypt
the acronge was larger in 1930 than it has boon in any your since.
Increased production has parallolod the increase in acreage, with
most of the increase taking placo in the fivo abovo-montioned
countrios.

Tables 18 and 19. A normal ratio of world carry-over of
American cotton to normal production or consumption of American

cotton is about 40 percent. The carry-over of American cotton at
the end of the 1937-38 season was 74 percent of production. If
the carry-over of American cotton at the end of the 1938-39 season

is 14.5 million bales, this carry-over will be 122.4 percent of

production.

-4A normal carry-over of foreign cotton is 45 to 50 percent
production. At the end of the 1937-38 season the carry-over of
foreign cotton was 49.3 percent of production. While the production and carry-over of foreign cotton have boon increasing, the
ratio of carry-over to production has not materially increased.

of

At prosont lovels of production a normal carry-over of
foreign cotton would appear to be between 7 and 8 million balos,

which would indicate that the carry-over of foreign cotton is

about 1 million balos in excess of normal, whoreas the carry+over
of Amorican cotton is 8 to 9 million balos in OXCOSS of normal.

The carry-over of Indian cotton at the ond of last soason
was in excess of normal, but the carry-over of Egyptian cotton was
somowhat bolow normal compared to production, while sundry growths

word abovo normal.

Tablos 20 to 24, inclusive, show the imports of cotton, by
countrios of origin, for the Unitod Kingdom, Gormany, Japan, France,
and Italy. In the caso of the Unitod Kingdom, the 1938 imports

from the United States amounted to 650,000 balos loss than in 1933,
of which about 400,000 wore displaced by the importation from other
countries. In the caso of Gormany, the 1938 imports of American
cotton amounted to 1,236,000 bales loss than in 1933, of which nearly
ono-half was made up by increased imports from other sources, chiefly
South America. In the case of Japan, the 1937 imports woro about
890,000 balos less than in 1933. This reduction was more than

offset by importation from other countrios, including India, Egypt,
and South America. Inports of American cotton into Franco in 1937
wore about 365,000 balos loss than in 1933 and only about 60,000
bales of this roduction was replacod by imports from other sourcos.
In the caso of Italy, imports of American cotton in 1938 amounted
to 320,000 bales loss than in 1933 and only about 50,000 balos of
this roduction was replaced by increased imports from othor
countrios.

Table 25. Prior to the World War, more then half of the
cotton exported from the United Statos wont to two countries the Unitod Kingdon and Gormany. Exports to Gormany included cotton

rooxported to other countries, which is no longer truc to anything

like the samo oxtont. With the shifting of some of the toxtile

industry to the Oriont since the oarly 1920's, Japan has bocomo
an important custonor for American cotton. Franco and Italy are
countries which have usually takon more than a half million balos
of American cotton annually. In the 1937-38 soason WO omported

a total of 5,598,000 balos compared with 8,419,000 bales in the
1932-33 season. It is significant to obsorvo that 2,500,000 balos
of this 3,000,000 balo reduction in exports occurred in our trade

with Gormany, Japan, and Spain. Howover, in 1932 about 300,000
balos of cotton imported by Gormany wore rooxported, while in
1937-38 loss than 500 balos woro rooxportod.

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-5Table 26 shows the downward drift in our share of cotton
consumption abroad and the basic factor related thereto, namely
the share of American cotton in the supply available to foreign

1920' our share in world outside

between
and 49consumption Our supcountries. the United fluctuated
States During
the 39
percent.

plies available for foreign consumption fluctuated between 39 and
55 percent; the year-to-year fluctuation shows close correspondence,
In recent years when substantial quantities of American cotton
have been impounded under government loans. American cotton available

for foreign consumption constituted only a third to a fourth of all
cotton available for foreign consumption and this decline in our

share in the free supply has been accompanied by a similar decline
in our share in total foreign consumption. In 1938, for example,

it is estimated that the total supply of American cotton, excluding
domestic consumption, is 19 million bales, and the total of all
cotton available for foreign consumption about 44 million balos,
the supply of American constituting about 43 percent of the total
available for foreign markets. But the fact that 11 million bales
of the 19 million were hold under government loan reduced the amount

of American cotton available to foreign countries to less than 8
million bales and this constitutes only 24 percent of the total
supply of all cotton available for foreign consumption. Consequantly. our share in foreign consumption is estimated at less than

23 percent.

While our share of supplios available for foreign consumption

is thus a basic factor in determining our share in total foreign
consumption, there are other factors involved and a release of all
government-hold cotton would not moan a proportionate increase in

our sharo of world consumption. On the basis of the relationships
in this table, it appears that a reduction in government-hold
cotton of say 5 million bales would, under normal conditions,
increase foreign consumption of American cotton by perhaps as much

as 2 million bales, and under presont restrictions on world trado
by something less than that amount. It should also be recognized
that tho release of 5 million balos would depress the world price
of ontton to some extent.

It is clear that if we are to regain and hold our fair share
of the foreign markot for cotton, WC shall have to adopt such
policies as will make available to foreign markets a larger supply
than is now available and at prices that are competitive with
foreign growths.
Sincerely yours,

/s/ H. A. WALLACE
Secretary

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LIST OF TABLES

Table

1 - Cotton: Cash income from lint, cottonscod and paymonts,

purchasing power of crop, and indox of purchasing
power, 1909-10 to dato.
Table la - Cash farm income from cotton and cottonsood and national
income paid out, and ratio of form income from
cotton and cottonsood to national income. 1909-38.
Tablo 2 - Cash and gross form income from whoat and national
income paid out, and ratio of farm income from whoat
to national income, 1909-38.
Table 3
- Cash and gross farm incomo from hogs and national incomo
paid out, and ratio of farm incomo from hogs to
national incomo, 1909-38.
Tablo 4 - Cash and gross farm income from cattlo and calves and
national income paid out, and ratio of farm incono
from cattlo and calvos to national income. 1909-38.
Table 5 - Cash farm incomo from tobacco and national income paid
out, and ratio of farm inconc from tobacco to
national incomo, 1909-38.
Table 6
- Form and nonform incomo available for living, 1909-38.

Table 7 - Production of continuous filanent rayon and rayon staple
fiber, in specified countries, 1920 to date.
Table 8
- Approximate value of lint cotton and approximate value
of cotton products at various stages of manufacture

and distribution por balo of cotton.
- Spot cotton prices of Brazilion at Sao Paulo and Livorpool.
Table 10 - Spot cotton pricos of Indian Oonra No. 1 Finc at Bombay

Tablo 9

and Livorpool.

Table 11 - Spot cotton pricos of Egyptian Uppers. Fully Good Fair,
at Aloxandria and Livorpool.

Tablo 12 - Spot price por pound of specified growths at Livorpool.
and percentage each growth is of American Middling,
1920-21 to date.

Table 13 - Spot prico por pound of specified growths of cotton at
Livorpool expressed as a porcentage each growth is
of American Middling and exports from the Unitod
States.

Table 14 - Spread between monthly average future and spot prices
during the months of September, December and March,

1920-21 to date.

Table 15 - Supply of American cotton in the United States and
distribution of American cotton.

Table 16 - Cotton: Acreage in specified countries and world total,
1920-21 to date.

Table 17 - Cotton: Production in specified countries. and world
total, 1920-21 to date.

LIST OF TABLES (Cont'd)

Table 18 - Cotton, American and Foreign: Production, end of

season carry-over, and percentage carry-over
of production, 1920-21 to date.
Table 19 - Cotton, Indian, Egyptian and Sundry: Production, end
of season carry-over, and percentage carry-over
is of production, 1924-25 to date.

Table 20 - United Kingdom: Imports of cotton by countries, re-

exports and net imports, 1921 to date.
Table 21 - Germany: Imports of cotton by countries, exports and
net imports, 1921 to date.

Table 22 - Japan: Imports of cotton by countries, 1921 to date.
Table 23 - France: Imports of cotton by countries, exports and
Table 24

net imports, 1921 to date.

- Italy: Imports of cotton by countries, exports and
net imports,

Table 25 - Cotton, American: United States, by

countries, (1,000 running bales).
Table 26 - Available cotton, supply of all

cotton consumption, and

supply ratio.

Table 27 - Cotton: Mill specified growths,
specified

supply available ratio locations. consumption 1899-1900 1921 and of Exports American consumption for to date. foreign to of from date

Table 28 - Cotton: Supplies of specified growths, exports from
the United States and price of American.
Table 29 - Cotton: Commercial production of specified growths,
specified periods.

Table 30 - Cotton: Stocks (carry-over) of specified growths on
August 1, specified periods.

Cotton, Cash income from lint, cottonseed and payments, purchasing power of a and index of purchasing power. 1909-10 to date.

:

crop

Payments

.

.

Million

Million

Million

Million

dollars

dollars

dollars

dollars

71.8

748.4
910.6
834.0

676.5
810.5
756.9
787.7

100.1
77.1

.

1910-11
1911-12
1912-13
1913-14

seed

Index of

Crop, inol.: orices paid
. payments by farmers
Million
dollars
4/
97

100
100

882.4

98.7

864.7
981.1

1909-10 to 1918-14

782.8

84.9

867.8

4/

1914-16
1915-16
1916-17
1917-18
1918-19
1919-20
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1979-30

592.0
626.9

162.5
118.3
193.6

674.5

101

745.2

107

77.0

5-year ave.

10-year are.,
1920-21 to 1929-30
1930-31

1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-ST

1937-38
1938-39

6-year are..
1933-34 to 1938-39

993.8

1,528.4
1,735.2
2,016.2

262.1
275.6
244.7

1,066.7

91.3

675.5

74.4
88.2

1,116.2
1,454.0
1,561.6
1,578.7
1,121.1
1,306.1
1,302.1
1,245.3

124.2
142.5
162.6
150.8
146.2
162.1
145.7

102

1,187.3
1,790.5
2,010.7
2,260.9
1,188.0

124

749.9

164

1,204.4

162

1,678.2
1,704.1
1,741.4
1,251.8
1,456.3
1,464.2

164

148
174
201

206

168
169

Purchasing power of 2/
Total
crop

payments

Million

Million

dollars

dollars

110.8

4/

77.0

667.8
696.4
957.5

80.2
110.3
130.4

1,209.8
1,155.6
1,124.0

135.2

129.5
65.1

564.9
457.2
743.5
962.3

52.7

85.7
110.9
116.9
118.7
86.4

1,014.3
1,030.4

100.5
101.0

93.4

98.3

1,242.9

127.0

1,369.9

169

610.6

659.2

92.8

752.0

148

808.1

88.6

526.1
454.4

128

47.4

483.6
424.1

630.0

42.4
40.4
48.5

115

411.0
403.8

676.5

5/ 179.7

858.2

125

542.8

115.2
160.2
82.0
63.7

880.1
855.4
987.7
981.7

181

561.0

266.0

566.0

144.5

899.9

629.1
590.2
764.4

105.9

734.9

105.0
141.5

695.2

795.0

123.0

905.7

500.0

8, 100.0

918.0
600.0

651.4

103.9

755.4

payments

96.1
99.6

y

163

167

eropa

v
108.2

4/

1,391.0

167

Index of purchasing power or-ST
Total
Crop. incl.

938.8
834.0
864.7
961.9

749.6
872.0
876.8
853.4

167

Crop. incl.

,

1909-10

lint

Total

.

Crop year

Cotton-

#

Cash income fromCotton

1

Table 1.

46.5

62.5

79.1

64.6
63.1
77.9

76.8

127

547.4

686.5
646.9
673.5

154

675.9

737.1

131

700.8

476.2

749.4
687.3

80.8

126

54.9

84.9
86.4
79.2

129

585.6

697.6

67.5

80.4

77.6

Includes interest and taxes, 1910-14 = 100. Prior to 1923-24 season, index on calendar year basis, 1923-24 season to date, averages of monthly index, August-July,
Cash income divided by index of prices paid by fanure.
Purchasing power as parent of 1909-18 each income.
Comparable data not smilable.
Rental and bendfit payments as of Doc. 31, 1937, profite on cotton options as of June 30, 1938.

As of Dec. 31, 1937. 7 Preliminary estimates. 8/ Estimated.
Source: Income from Agricultural Outlook Charts (Cotton), 1939.

U.S.D.A. - AAA - Southern Division
January 5. 1930.

Includes 1937 Price Adjustment payments and 1938 A.C.P.

3
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CASH FARM INCOME FROM COTTON AND COTTONSEED AND NATIONAL INCOME
PAID OUT. AND RATIO OF FARM INCOME FROM
COTTON
AND COTTONSEED TO NATIONAL
INCOME,
1909-38

Ratio of
Farm cash
income from

National

cotton and

income

cottonseed

paid out

Million dollars

1909

880.5
854.7
851.7
968.2
602.0
830.0

1910
1911

1912
1913
1914
1915

1920

1,148.3
1,603.7
1,784.5
2,282.0
1,475.8

1921

852.2

1922

1,147.9
1,568.8
1,663.5
1,762.4
1,222.3
1,500.0
1,452.6
1,512.0

1916
1917
1918
1919

1923

1924
1925
1926
1927

1928
1929
1930

824.1
497.0
460.7
577.6
862.9
711.8
904.9
883.6
667.2

1931
1932
1933
1934

1935
1936
1937
1938

Including Government payments:

26,235
27,924
28,284
30,178
31,890
31,694
32,997
38,794
47,192
55,097
60,150
64,115
53,644
57,037
64,501
68,160
72,580
74,795
75,685
77,359
79,704
73,542
61,609
48,644
46,089
53,172
57,564
64,809
71,013
65,991

income from

cotton and
cottonsoed to
national income
Percent
3.15
3.02
2.82
3.04
1.90

2.52
2.96
3.40

3.24
3.79
2.30
1.59
2.01

2.43
2.44
2.43
1.63
1.98
1.88
1.90

1.12

0.81
0.95
1.25
1.62
1.24

1.40
1.24
1.01

1933

689.0

1.49

1934

1,005.2

1.89

1935
1936
1937
1938

857.7
990.9
952.8
933.2

1.49
1.53
1.34
1.41

Sources: Farm income, Bureau of Agricultural Economics, except that Government esti-

payments since 1935 are Agricultural Adjustment Administration

mates of payments applicable toyear's
the production
rather
than cal
Admir
endar year payments; national income, Agricultural Adjustment

tration estimates based on Department of Commerce national income
studies and Bureau of Agricultural Economics farm income data.

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Table 2

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370

CASH AND CROSS FARM INCOME FROM WHEAT AND NATIONAL INCOME PAID OUT.
AND RATIO OF FARM INCOME FROM WHEAT TO NATIONAL INCOME, 1909-36

Farm income
from wheat
Gross

Cash

National
income

paid out

Ratio of income
from wheat to
national income

Gross
income

Million dollars
1909
1910
1911

1913
1913
1914
1915
1916
1917
1916

1919
1920
1921
1922
1923
1924
1925
1926
1927
1928

1929
1930
1931
1932

1933
1934

1935
1936
1937

1938

505.5
456.9
503.4
503.8
684.3
786.4
844.3

494.6
446.0
493.3
492.9
674.0
773.4
828.6

1,092.0
1,560.7
1,597.8
1,394.0

1,066.9
1,532.7
1,572.4
1,367.8

880.4
673.5
616.9
811.5
860.8
857.9
907.2
780.7
735.0
460.5
273.7
207.0
316.3
330.6
386.0
464.5
617.5
440.0

866.0
661.0
605.0
798.8
843.6
842.9
895.0
770.5
726.9
451.4
265.7
199.8
304.0
316.7
372.2
450.8
603.0
430.4

Including Government Payments:
322.4
1933

1934
1935
1936
1937
1938

334.7
459.0
494.9
519.5
647.5
500.0

445.1
481.1
505.8
633.0
490.4

Cash

income

Percent
26,235
27,924
28,284
30,178
31,890
31,694
32,997
38,794
47,192
55,097
60,150
64,115
53,644
57,037
64,501
68,160
72,580
74,795
75,685
77,359
79,704
73,542
61,609
48,644
46,089
53,172
57,564
64,809
71,013
65,991

1.81
1.62
1.67
1.58
2.16
3.38
2.18
2.31
2.83
2.66
2.17
1.64
1.18

0.96
1.19
1.19
1.15
1.20
1.01
0.92
0.63
0.44
0.43
0.69
0.62
0.67
0.72
0.87
0.67

0.73
0.86
0.86
0.80
0.91
0.76

1.77
1.58
1.63
1.55
2.13
2.34
2.14
2.26
2.78
2.61
2.13
1.61
1.16
0.94
1.17
1.16
1.13
1.18
1.00
0.91
0.61
0.43
0.41
0.66
0.60

0.65
0.70
0.85
0.65
0.70
0.84
0.84
0.78
0.89
0.74

Sources: Farm income, Bureau of Agricultural Economics, except that Government
payments since 1935 are Agricultural Adjustment Administration estimates of payments applicable to the year's production rather than calendar year payments; national income. Agricultural Adjustment Administration estimates based on Department of Commerce national income
studies and Bureau of Agricultural Economics farm income data.
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Table 3

CASH AND GROSS FARM INCOME FROM HOGS AND NATIONAL INCOME PAID OUT,
AND RATIO OF FARM INCOME FROM HOGS TO NATIONAL INCOME. 1909-38

Ratio of income
Farm income

National

from hogs

income

Gross
1909

1910
1911

1912
1913
1914
1915
1916
1917
1918
1919
1920
1921

1922
1923
1924
1925
1926
1927
1928
1929
1930
1931
1932
1933

1934
1935
1936
1937
1938

292.3
907.3
797.0
829.4
947.7
921.4
885.6

1,185.9
1,692.7
2,371.8
2,433.3
1,803.1
1,105.1
1,271.4
1,238.5
1,283.4
1,621.1
1,729.7
1,510.2
1,447.9
1,540.6
1,368.7

Cash

paid out

Million dollars
592.8
669.9
617.0
647.5
740.5
712.5
691.2
949.0

1,298.9
1.866.3
1.911.2
1,384.9
856.9

1,023.6
1,027.1
1,064.0
1,318.6
1,407.2
1,237.5
1,218.5
1,296.8
1,135.5

949.8
557.2
631.5
646.0
877.6

774.2
444.6

1,211.4
1,140.7
1,090.0

964.7
906.5
856.0

523.9
520.6
671.4

749.0

1935

1,011.6
1,246.4
1,150.7
1,124.0

1936
1937
1938

623.6
805.4
999.7
916.5
890.0

national income

Gross
Cash
income
income
Percent

26,235
27,924
28,284
30,178
31,890
31,694
32,997

3.02
3.25
2.62
2.75
2.97
2.91

2.18

2.68

2.09

38,794
47,192

3.06
3.59
4.30
4.05
2.82
2.06

2.45

2.23
1.92
1.88
2.23
2.31
2.00
1.87
1.93
1.86
1.54
1.15
1.37
1.21
1.52
1.87
1.61
1.65

1.79

55,097
60,150
64,115
53,644
57,037
64,501
8,160
72,580
74,795
75,685
77,369
79,704
73,542
61,609
48,644
46,089
53,172
57,564
64,809
71,013
65,991

Including Government payments:

1934

from hogs to

0.888

1.41
1.76
1.92
1.62
1.70

2.26
2.40

2.15
2.32
2.25

2.75
3.39
3.18

2.16
1.60

1.59
1.56
1.82
1.88
1.64
1.58
1.63

1.54
1.26

0.91
1.14

0.98
1.17
1.49
1.28
1.30

1.17
1.40
1.54
1.29
1.35

Sources: Farm income, Bureau of Agricultural Economics, except that
Government payments since 1935 are Agricultural Adjustment

Administration estimates; national income, Agricultural Ad-

justment Administration estimates based on Department of
Commerce national income studies and Bureau of Agricultural
Economics farm income data.
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Table 4

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CASH AND GROSS FARM INCOME FROM CATTLE AND CALVES AND NATIONAL INCOME
PAID OUT, AND RATIO OF FARM INCOME FROM CATTLE AND CALVES TO NATIONAL
INCOME, 1909-38

Ratio of income

from cattle
Farm income

from cattle

National

and calves

income

Gross

Cash

paid out

and calves to
national income
Gross
income

1911

814.3
882.6
812.7

1912

917.1

1910

1914

1,035.6
1,022.6

1915

998.9

1913

785.4
851.0
783.7
884.6
999.3
985.5
965.6
1,131.7

1920

1,166.5
1,693.0
2,076.6
1,967.7
1,569.5

1,650.8
2,028.8
1,920.8
1,528.4

1921

902.8

875.9

1922

1,063.4
1,068.5
1,148.8
1,275.7
1,294.1
1,359.6
1,581.1
1,519.2
1,204.3

1,037.1
1,042.5
1,118.8
1,252.1
1,271.3
1,335.9
1,555.8
1,494.8
1,183.6

1916
1917

1918
1919

1923

1924
1925
1926

1927
1928
1929

1930

854.1
635.5
613.5
830.2

838.0
620.6
599.5
815.4

1936

1,382.5
1,118.5

1937

1,240.2

1938

932.0

1,061.8
1,097.8
1,217.2
909.0

1931
1932
1933
1934

1935

26,235
27,924
28,284
30,178
31,890
31,694
32,997
38,794
47,192
55,097
60,150
64,115
53,644
57,037
64,501
68,160
72,580
74,795
75,685
77,359
79,704
73,542
61,609
48,644
46,089
53,172
57,564
64,809
71,013
65,991

income

Percent

Million dollars
1909

Cash

3.10
3.16
2.87
3.04
3.25
3.23
3.03
3.01
3.59
3.77
3.27

2.45
1.68
1.86
1.66
1.68

1.76
1.73
1.80
2.04
1.91
1.64
1.39

1.31
1.33
1.56
1.88
1.73
1.75
1.41

2.99

3.05
2.77

2.93
3.13
3.11
2.93
2.92
3.50
3.66
3.19
2.38
1.63
1.82
1.62
1.64
1.73
1.70
1.77
2.01
1.88
1.61
1.36
1.28
1.30
1.53
1.84
1.69
1.71
1.38

Source: Farm income, Bureau of Agricultural Economics: national income
Agricultural Adjustment Administration estimates based on
Department of Commerce national income studies and Bureau of
Agricultural Economics farm income data.
scoont

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Table 5.

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CASH FARM INCOME FROM TOBACCO AND NATIONAL INCOME PAID OUT, AND RATIO
OF FARM INCOME FROM TOBACCO TO NATIONAL INCOME, 1909-38

Ratio of
Farm cash

National

income from

income

tobacco

paid out

Million dollars

1909
1910
1911

1912
1913
1914

1915
1916
1917
1918
1919
1920
1921
1922

1923
1924
1925

1926
1927
1928
1929
1930
1931

1932
1933

1934
1935
1936
1937

1938

87.8
101.9
95.8
108.5
134.9
99.2
93.2
138.8
241.5
343.2
499.9
294.7
252.4
248.8
275.6
260.1
259.6
239.6
245.6
247.5
278.7
243.9
156.8
115.2
156.5
235.9
242.5
243.2
318.3
294.1

Including Government payments:
1933
1934

1935
1936
1937
1938

157.8
252.5
275.6
259.2
329.3
303.1

26,235
27,924
28,284
30,178
31,890
31,694
32,997
38,794
47,192
55,097
60,150
64,115
53,644
57,037
64,501
68,160
72,580
74,795
75,685
77,359
79,704
73,542
61,609

48,644
46,089
53,172
57,564
64,809
71,013
65,991

income from
tobacco

to national
income

-Percent-0.33
0.36
0.34
0.36
0.42
0.31
0.28
0.36
0.51
0.62
0.83
0.46
0.47
0.44
0.43
0.38
0.36
0.32
0.32
0.32
0.35
0.33
0.25
0.24
0.34
0.44
0.42
0.38
0.45
0.45

0.34
0.47
0.48
0.40
0.46
0.46

Sources: Farm income, Bureau of Agricultural Economics, except that
Government payments since 1935 are Agricultural Adjustment
Administration estimates of payments applicable to the year's
production rather than calendar year payments; national income,
Agricultural Adjustment Administration estimates based on
Department of Commerce national income studies and Bureau of
Agricultural Economics farm income data.

AAA, Div. of Program Planning, Agricultural-Industrial Relations Section

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Table 6.
FARM AND NONFARM INCOME AVAILABLE FOR LIVING, 1909-1938

Selected
Gross

farm

income 1

Tarm income

business

available

expenditures 2

for living 3/

(Mil.)
1909

1910
1911

1912
1913
1914

1915
1916
1917
1918

1919
1920

1921
1922
1923
1924
1925
1926

1927
1928
1929
1930
1931
1932
1933
1934

1935
1936
1937

1938(P)

Nonfarm

farm

(Mil.)

(Mil.)

1934
1935
1936
1937

1938(P)

for living 4

(000)

Farm nonfarm

(Mil.)

$6,238
6,643
6,372
6,784
6,975
7,028

$1,893
2,003
2,143
2,188
2,408
2,478

$4,345
4,640
4,229
4,596
4,573
4,552

$21,442
22,806
23,561
25,064
26,776
26,598

32,000
32,007
32,110
32,120
32,120
32,100

57,882
59,402
60,865
62,270
63,685
65,120

7,395
8,914
12,832
15,101
16,935
13,566

2,587
3,076
3,929
4,600
5,337
5,492

4,806
5,838
8,903
10,501
11,598
8,074

27,595
32,253
37,387
43,579
47,368
54,871

32,050
31,990
31,930
31,820
31,730
31,614

66,566
68,060
69,535
71,060
72,566
74,097

8,927
9,944
11,041
11,483
12,243
11,791

4,600
4,507
4,490
4,557
4,817
4,922

4,327
5,437
6,551
6,926
7,426
6,869

48,463
50,626
57,923
60,136
63,978
66,740

31,763
31,749
31,138
30,817
30,830
30,619

11,753
12,016
12,049
9,847
7,042
5,284
5,980
6,836
7,817
9,030
9,611
8,400

4,914
5,108
5,219
4,732
3,961
3,480

6,839
6,908
6,830
5,115
3,081
1,804

3,383
3,460
3,580
3,725
3,900
3,650

2,147
3,376
4,237
5,305
5,711
4,750

67,636
69,182
71,526
67,169
57,317
45,456
41,878
47,630
50,837
57,556
63,047
58,745

30,170
30,188
30,220
30,169
30,497
30,971
31,693
31,770
31,801
31,809
31,729
31,819

75,612
77,291
79,575
81,553
83,205
85,081
87,194
88,841
90,474
92,328
93,190
93,608
93,694
94,464
95,351
96,215
97,148
97,881

Including benefits:
1933

Population5

national
income avail.

6,142
7,392
8,400
9,317
9,978
8,882

(P) Preliminary estimates.

2,759
3,932
4,820
5,592
6,078
5,232

Table 6 Cont.

FARM AND NONFARM INCOME AVAILABLE FOR LIVING, 1809-1938 (Continued)

Index numbers: 1910-14=100

Per capita income

Ratio farm

available for living 6
Farm
1909
1910
1911

1912
1913
1914

1915
1916

1917
1918
1919
1920
1921
1922
1923
1924
1925
1926
1927

1928
1929

1930
1931
1932
1933
1934
1935
1936
1937

1938(P)

Nonfarm

96.8
121.6
149.5
159.7
171.2
159.4

92.5
95.9
95.7
100.5
105.0
102.0
103.5
118.3
134.3
153.2
163.0
184.9
160.0
163.6
181.8
184.1
192.0
195.9

161.1
162.6
160.6
120.4
71.8
41.3

193.7
194.5
197.4
181.7
153.6
121.3

48.1
75.5
94.6
118.5
127.9
106.1

111.6
125.9
133.2
149.4
162.1
149.9

96.5
102.8

93.6
101.7
101.2
100.7
106.6
129.7
198.1
234.5
259.7
181.5

to nonfarm

104.3
107.2
96.8
101.2
96.4
98.7

103.0
109.6
147.5
153.1
159.3
98.2

,

essa

60.5
74.3

82.2
86.7
89.2
81.4
83.2
83.6
81.4
66.3
46.7
34.0
43.1
60.0
71.0
79.3
78.9
70.8

Including benefits:
1933
1934
1935
1936
1937

1938(P)

61.9
88.0
107.7
124.9
136.1
116.8

(P) Preliminary estimates.

55.5
69.9

80.9
83.6
84.0
77.9

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3-

FARM AND NONFARM INCOME AVAILABLE FOR LIVING, 1909-1938 (continuod)

1 Exclusive of all incomo arising from nonfarm sources, such as
wagos, interest, ponsions, etc., received by persons living on
farms. From production prior to 1924 and for calendar yours
thorcaftor.
2/ The solocted expenditures include: Food, fortilizor, machinory
oporation, doprociation and obsolosconco of machinery and buildings, harnoss and aaddlery, seed, rents to nonfarmers, ginning
costs, short-term interest, and 90 percent of property taxes and
mortgage interest (the other 10 percent is assumed to be chargeable to the farm home). For published estimates of indivudual
expense items see "Agricultural Statistics, 1938," pago 434.
3 Column one minus column two.

Nonfarm national income available for living includes: componsation of employees, withdrawals of ontropronours, dividends,
interest, and not ronts and royaltios. Excludor all incomo arising
from agricultural sources received by nonfarmors; but offsctting

4

this, in part at loast, is the inclusion of incomo received by

farmors from their nonagricultural pursuits and investments.
From 1909 to 1928 inclusivo, national "Ronlized Incomo from Production of Goods and Services," minus roolized agricultural income,
pagos 152-3, Amorica's Capacity to Consumo, a Brookings Institution

publication. Willford I. King's ostinatos of national incomo woro

used by Brookings in arriving at thoso ostimatos of roolizod income.
From 1929 to 1937 inclusivo, national income "Paid Out," ninus
agricultural income paid out and not farm rontal payments as
estimated by the U. 8. Department of Commerce. Some of the basic
data used appear on page 12 of the June 1938 Survey of Current
Business. The net farm rental payments (that is, gross payments
minus taxes, drpreciation, and other costs of maintaining farm
property rented out) which were also subtracted, in arriving at
nonfarm national income, are unpublished estimatos furnished by
the U. S. Department of Commorco. Thoso not farm rontal payments

are included as a portion of total not ronts and royaltics in

5

the published U. S. Department of Commorco national income studios.
The 1938 estimates are those of the Agricultural Adjustment
Administration.
January 1st ostimatos.
As doterminod by uso of data explained undor footnotos 3, 4, and 5.

AAA, Div. of Program Planning, Agricultural - Industrial Relations Section.

Tablo 7. Production of continuous filamont rayon and rayon staple

fibor, in specified countries, 1920 to date

Year

Unitod
Statos

Japan Gormany

Italy

Great

Britain:

Franco

Othor

World

total

Equivalon
in

Million Million Million Million Million Million Million Million
pounds pounds pounds pounds pounds pounds pounds pounds
1920
1921
1922

1923
1924
1925
1926
1927

1928
1929
1930
1931

1932
1933
1934
1935
1936
1937

10.1
15.0
24.1
35.0
36.3
51.0
62.7
75.6
97.2
121.9
127.7
151.8
135.8
215.6
210.5
262.2
289.9
341.9

10.5
16.5
27.0

5.2
7.7
11.0
14.3
23.2
26.0
24.7
41.3
48.9
60.8

36.6
49.0
70.2
99.3
157.8
237.9
320.8
509.1

63.4
60.3
60.9
71.6
100.6
135.5
193.6
345.0

.2
.2
.5
.8

1.4
3.2
5.0

11.0
17.6
30.8
36.8
53.8
57.3
73.0

6.0
9.0
14.5
17.0
24.7
29.8
25.5
38.8
52.1
55.3

3.4
4.4
6.8
7.7
13.2
14.3
19.2
24.2
29.9
41.8

6.6
8.7
13.1
17.2
21.9
30.2
37.8
50.9
58.5
62.6

67.0
75.6
71.7
84.4
107.4
153.4
196.1
262.9

17.8
53.9
71.1
82.5
91.3
121.5
143.0
152.4

50.6
41.5
52.2
59.2
61.6
66.7
65.9
77.7

64.3
67.6
72.5
78.6
95.1
101.7
109.8
129.3

1.6
3.2
6.6

33.1

cotto
1,000

bales

77.3

48.2

113.4

76.6

180.2

103.0

242.4

138.3

325

185.3

436.1

211.7

498.1

295.1

694.4

360.4

848.0

442.4

1,040.8

437.4

1,076.1

508.7

1.19

534.4

1,25

691.2

1,626

824.3

1,939

1,078.9
1,319.1
1,818.3

2,538.

3,108
4,278.

Rayon staple fiber production not given prior to 1929.
1 On basis of 425 1b. rayon to 500 1b. gross weight bale of cotton.
Source: Compiled from the Rayon Organon by the Bureau of Agricultural Fibers',
"Report on Development and Use of Rayon and other Synthetic
October 1938.

Southern Division
December 30, 1938

21

TOXIMATE

Table 8.

Approximate value of lint cotton and
at various stages of manufacture and distribution por bale of cotton.
retail
Wholes ale Average retail High
value of

Item

Cost of

Lint cotton

value of
fabric

value of

garments
3/

2/

garments
3/

Low retail
value of

garments
3

Dollars per
bale

Men's shirts, 4.10 yard, White Broadcloth

Pajamas, printed, 3.35 yard print cloth

$40.00
40.00

$ 133.00
-

$775.00

$ 1,000.00

$ 580.00

600.00

650.00

550.00

Men's pajamas, 4.10 yard Solid Color

40.00

159.00

580.00

680.00

435.00

Men's shirts, 3.90 yard Chambrey,

40.00

144.00

540.00

650.00

440.00

Men's shirts, 5.90 yard covert,

40.00

-

530.00

660.00

400.00

Trousers, work, 8 ounce Khaki drill,

40.00

114.00

530.00

610.00

420.00

520.00

650.00

400.00

460.00

650.00

360.00

420.00

610.00

350.00

270.00

360.00

185.00

Broadcloth

sanforized

sanforized
sanforised

Trousers, work, 2.50 yard Khaki drill,
regular finish

40.00

Men's shirts. 3.90 yard chambray

40.00

Men's shorts, printed, 80 x 60 Broad-

40.00

regular finish
cloth

Overalls, 2.20 Denim

40.00

-

110.00

-

90.00

1/ No allowance saue for seconds.
2/ Based on W.P.A. purchases and Daily News Record Prices June, 1938.
3/ Based on proliminary government data, March, 1938.
Oct. 17. 1938.

E

374

Table 9. Spot Cotton Prices of Brazilian 8 at Sao Paulo and Liverpool
Sao Paulo Price 1
Local currency

Percentage Sao

Paulo price of

Liverpool price:
(Sao Paulo Fair

10-year average

(Milrois per Arroba)
of 15 kilograms )
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926.27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38

1938-39 2/
10-yoar average
1920-21 to 1930-31

(Cents per pound)

64.4
68.0
131.2
178.7
132.1
73.3
72.1
105.0
96.2
78.9
68.2
81.8
109.4
79.3
114.8
106,9
107.9
88.6
86.0

18.28
19.36
27.58
32.31

56.53

as percentage
of American

Middling

(Percent)

36.41
38.46
74.14
101.04
74.67
41.46
40.77
59.37
56.40
44.62
38.54
46.25
61.86
44.85
64.90
60.44
61.02
50.07
48.64

Liverpool price

27.22
20.48
15.13
21.72
20.64
17.27
11.36
7.50
8.61
12.28
13.86
13.45

(Percent)
92.2
95.9
96.0
97.9

100.6
93.7
91.2
95.9
96.6
93.6
98.1

99.4
101.0
98.8
97.4
99.8

14.12
10.18
9.54

96.6

22.00

95.4

98.7

96.2

Source: Relatorio prior da Diroctoria Contas, Documentos Pavecor da Commissao Fiscal,

American to Dec. 1934. From Jan. 1935 to date, monthly reports
of the
Association.

1 Type 5 cotton. Consul General at Sao Paulo. Reports of the Liverpool Cotton
Average of 4 months August November.

Southern Division
February 24, 1939

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Table 10. Spot Cotton Prices of Indian Oomra No. 1 Fine
at Bombay and Liverpool

Bombay price,

Local currency

Percentage

Bombay price of
10-year average

(Rupees per Candy) (Percent)
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926.27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38

1938-39 1
10-year average

1920.21 to 1939-30

168

71.7
112.0
124.2
146.7
122.0
95.9
78.0
97.8
84.2
66.3
45.7

174

47.3

264

412
457
540
449
353
287
360
310

244

189
175
208
198

212
152
139

51.4
47.6
56.5
53.8
57.6
41.3
37.8

368

Liverpool
price
(Cents per pound)

Liverpool price
as percentage of
American Middling
(Percent)

14.14
16.71
21.26
24.37
23.49
18.15
14.58
18.66
16.30
12.95
8.19
6.76
7.29
9.35
10.78
10.78
10.87
7.96
7.12

71.6
82.6
74.2
73.9
86.7
83.2
88.0
82.4
76.4
70.2
70.6
90.0
86.1
75.1
75.8
79.9
74.4
77.1
71.9

18.06

78.9

Source: 3ombay Cotton Annual, and Reports of the Liverpool Cotton Association.
1 Average of 4 months, August-November.

Southern Division,
February 24, 1939

Table

11. Spot Cotton Prices of Egyptian Uppers, Fully Good Fair,
At Alexandria and Liverpool

Alexandria price
Local currency

(Tallaris por Cantar)
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928.29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38

1938-39 1
10-your average
1920-21 to 1929-30

28.90
26.32
28.28
38.38
33.38
24.86
20.09
27.08
22.35
19.57
12.10
9.72
12.45
11.61
13.31
13.58
15.14
10.62
10.76

Percent Alexandria
price of
10-year average
(Percent)
107.4
97.8
105.1
142.6
124.0
92.3
74.6
100.6
83.0
72.7
44.9
56.1
46.2
43.1
49.4
50.4
56.2
39.5
40.0

26.92

Liverpool
price

Liverpoolpria
as percentage
of American

Middling

(Conts por pound)
28.20
26.63
29.96
38.19
38.30
29.14
23.55
29.71
24.57
21.25
13.95
8.93
10.61
13.77
15.49
15.49
17.40
13.10
12.56

28.95

(Percent)
139.7
132.4
104.6
116.0
141.4
133.1

142.5
131.3
115.0
115.7
119.9
118.5
125.2
110.8
108.8
114.8
119.0
126.7
126.7

127.2

Source: Annunire Statistiquo de L'Egypt, and Reports of the Liverpool Cotton Asst
ciation.
1 Average of 4 months, August - November.

Southern Division
February 24, 1939

Table 12.
Season

beginning
August 1

1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38

American

Middling
7/8 Inch
Cents
19.73
20.19
28.70
32.99
27.09
21.82
16.57
22.65
21.36
18.44

bling. 1920-21 to date.
growth is of American
As percentage of American Middling
Actual price per pound
Brazilian
Indian
Egyptian
Brazilian
Indian
Sao Paulo
Egyptian
Oomra
Uppers
Fair
F. G. F.
No. 1 Fine
cents
14.14
16.71
21.26
24.37
23.49
18.15
14.58
18.66
16.30
12.95
8.19
6.76
7.29

Cents
28.20
26.63
29.96
38.19

38.30
29.14
23.55
29.71
24.57
21.25

Cents
18.28
19.36
27.58
32.31
27.22
20.48
15.13
21.72
20.64
17.27
11.36
7.50
8.61
12.28
13.86
13.45
14.12
10.18
9.55

Percent

123.3

76.5
72.2

133.8
128.0

98.1
96.7

10.29
9.61

78.3
69.0

126.7
113.9

100.0
95.2

22.00

78.7

126.1

95.9

1938-39 1

14.24
13.50
14.62
10.31
9.96

10.78
10.78
10.87
7.96
7.08

Sept. 1937
Sept. 1938

11.06
9.59

8.46
6.93

14.80
12.27

10.86
9.27

Jan. 1938
Jan. 1939

10.29
10.10

8.06
6.97

13.04
11.54

28.95

9.35

10-yr. ave.
16.06
1920-21 to 1929-30 22.95
1 Average of b months, August-January

139.7
132.4

Percent
92.2
95.9
96.0
97.9
100.6
93.7
91.2
95.9
96.6
93.6
98.1
99.4
101.0
98.8
97.4
99.8
96.6
98.7
95.9

13.95
8.93
10.61
13.77
15.49
15.49
17.40
13.10
12.28

11.61
7.54
8.52
12.47

71.6
82.6
74.2
73.9
86.7
83.2
68.0
82.4
76.4
70.2
70.6
90.0
86.1
75.1
75.8
79.9
74.4
77.1
71.1

Percent

104.6
116.0
141.4
133.1
142.5
131.3
115.0
115.7
119.9
118.5
125.2
110.8
108.8
114.8
119.0
126.7

Source: Bureau of Agricultural Economics from reports of the Liverpool Cotton Association.

Southern Division
February 24, 1939
kc

Table 13. Spot Price Per Pound of Specified Growths of

Cotton as Liverpool Expressed as a Percentage
Each Growth is of American Middling and Exports
from the United States

Season

As Percentage of American Middling

Indian I

(Percent)
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1936-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1926-37
1937-38
1937-38
1938-39

Egyptian

(Percent)

Brazilian
(Percent)
92.2
95.9
96.0

Exports from
the United States
(1,000 running bales)

86.1
75.1
75.8
79.9
74.4
77.1

139.7
132.4
104.6
116.0
141.4
133.1
142.5
131.3
115.0
115.7
119.9
118.5
125.2
110.8
108.8
114.8
119.0
126.7

97.9
100.6
93.7
91.2
95.9
96.6
93.6
98.1
99.4
101.0
98.8
97.4
99.8
96.6
98.7

5,745
6,184
4,823
5,666
8,005
8,051
10,927
7,542
8,044
6,690
6,760
8,707
8,419
7,534
4,798
5,973
5,440
5,598

78.4
71.1

132.0
123.3

98.9
95.9

3,832
2,192

71.6
82.6
74.2
73.9
86.7

83.2
88.0
82.4
76.4
70.2
70.6
90.0

Source: Compiled from reports of the Liverpool Cotton Association, Bureau
of the Census, and New York Cotton Exchange.
1/

2

Indian Oomra No. 1 Fine, Egyptian Uppers F.G.F., and Brazilian Sao
Paulo Fair.
Percentages are averages of 6 months, August-January Exports, total
6 months, August-January.

Southern Division
February 24, 1939

1

1930-31

10-spot
Markets

(Cents per

(Cents per

pound)

pound)

21.00
26.77
23.14
23.48
16.78
22.12

28.24
19.50
20.72
27.57
22.74
23.23
15.96
21.19

(Hundredths of
a cent)
5.80
.38

.28
.90
.40

.25
.82
.93
.37

17.72

7.27
8.07

5.83

1.25
1.44
1.44

7.40

.67

10.26

9.19

1.07

13.08
10.68

12.85

.23

10.48
12.05

.20

11.82
9.04
7.92

18.01
10.15

8.10

and

(Cents per

pound)

pound)

15.35
16.35
23.76
28.42
23.59
18.10
12.99
18.89
19.42
17.75
10.84
6.90
6.31

.23
.18

8.32
7.54

.32

10-spot

(Cents per

10.58
12.39
10.80
11.59

8.72

Spots above

Markets

1

18.09
19.26
11.59

1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38
1938-39

1/

below futures

Average

14.63
17.47
25.40

.70

1.12
1.64

19.31
11.81

1.21

18.99
19.07
16.64

.19

below futures

(Cents per

(Cents per

pound)

pound)

(Hundredths of
a cent)

.10

.35

1.11

1.68
1.12

.66

30.21

4.51

24.82
25.12

28.54

3.72

14.57
18.41
20.25
15.21
11.72
7.34

.59

6.80

.71

12.44

12.60

.21

11.70

.90

10.18

12.60

1.01

13.12
8.99

.16

8.45

Source: Bureau of Agricultural Economics and New York Cotton Exchange Service.

.91

1.94

11.19
17.12

11.19

8.16

and

13.13
16.48
25.70

17.17
1.18

9.16
5.78
5.72
9.87

Most distant month

Southurn Division
February 25, 1939

(Hundredths of
a cent)

5.97

Spots above

Futures

below futures

34.39
23.40

Average

10-spot
Markets

New York
1

1921-22
1922-23
1023-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30

Futures

and

:

1920-21

New York

Spots above

Futures

22.44
19.12

March

December

September
New York
Average
Season

Spread between Monthly Average Future and Spot Prices during the
Months of September, December and March, 1920-21 to Date.
:

Table 141

25.51

.39

18.33
13.74

1.16

18.76
19.78

.35

.83
.47
.47

14.74
10.15

1.57

6.44
6.19

.61

12.09
11.57
11.38
14.15
8.89

.90
.35
.38

1.20
1.03
.10

Table 15. Supply of American Cotton in the United States and Distribution of American Cotton
For Two Periods Aug. 1 - Jan. 31 and Feb. 1 - July 31
Supply

Period and Season

Distribution

in the

Con-

United

sump-

States 1/

Exports

tion

Mill2/
Stocks

Gov't.

Total

Stocks

"Free

Cotton'

(In Thousands of Running Bales)

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1922-23

13,168

3,272

3,362

1,909

8,543

4,625

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1923-24

12,521

3,096

3,832

1,553

8,481

4,040

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1924-25

15,267

2,953

5,342

1,371

9,666

5,601

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1925-26

17,651

3,180

5,382

1,745

10,307

7,344

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1926-27

21,344

3,429

6,645

1,787

11,861

9,483

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1927-28

16,499

3,627

4,534

1,625

9,786

6,713

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1928-29

16,844

3,448

5,557

1,697

10,702

6,142

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1929-30

16,843

3,314

4,893

1,730

1,315

11,252

5,591

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1930-31

18,292

2,460

4,466

1,522

3,592

12,040

6,252

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1931-32

23,087

2,626

4,897

1,583

3,389

12,495

10,592

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1932-33

22,390

2,812

4,968

1,455

2,579

11,814

10,576

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1933-34

20,728

2,923

4,902

1,557

4,004

13,386

7,342

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1934-35

17,196

2,622

2,874

1,148

5,531

12,175

5,021

Aug. 1 to Jan. 31
Aug. 1 to Jan. 31

1935-36

17,528

2,954

4,002

1,406

5,095

13,457

4,071

1936-37
1937-38
1938-39

17,498
22,544
23,067

3.773
3.003
3.332

3,464
3,866
2.192

2,041
1.716
1.589

3,018
6,513
11.011

12,296
15,098
18.124

5,202
7.446
4.943

Aua
1 to Jan. 31
And

Table 15. Continued - Supply of American Cotton in the United States and Distribution of American Cotton
Distribution
Supply
Period and Season

in the

Con-

United

sump-

States 1

tion

"Free

Exports

Mill

Gov't

Stocks 2/ Stocks
(In Thousands of Running Bales)

Total

cotton"
3/

Feb. 1 to July 31

1922-23

7,003

3,394

1,427

981

5,802

1,201

Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31

1923-24

5,821

2,585

1,815

638

5,038

783

1924-25

7,383

3,240

2,657

787

6,684

699

Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31
Feb. 1 to July 31

1925-26

9.377

3,276

2,663

1,010

6,949

2,428

1926-27

11,721

3,761

4,318

1,325

9,404

2,317

1927-28

8,723

3,207

3,105

935

7,247

1,476

1928-29

8,234

3,643

2,495

932

333

7,404

830

1929-30

8,968

2,792

1,804

1,048

1,312

6,956

2,012

1930-31

11,486

2,803

2,354

922

3.393

9,472

2,014

1931-32

15,762

2,240

3,857

1,163

2,379

9,639

6,123

1932-33

14,909

3,325

3,458

1,298

1,129

9,210

5,699

1933-34

13,133

2,777

2,650

1,172

3,002

9,601

3.532

1934-35

12,560

2,619

1,942

749

5,088

10,398

2,162

1935-36

10,641

3,267

2,038

855

3,237

9.397

1,244

1936-37

10,429

3,995

2,047

1,218

1,665

8,925

1,504

1937-38

15,865

2,613

1,806

1,223

6,964

12,605

3,259

1 Supply first half of season includes carryover August 1, plus ginnings from August 1 to January 31 plus
2/

city crop accumulations.
Stocks in consuming establishments on January 31 and July 31.

"Free Cotton" is defined as that cotton which is available for trade channels and does not include mill
stocks. Supply minus total distribution equals "Free Cotton".

Southern Division

Table 16. - Cotton: Acreage in specified countries and world total,
1920-21 to date

Crop

year

1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37

1937-38 2
1938-39 2

United
States

India

China 1

1,000
acres

1,000
acres

1,000
acres

34,408
28,678
31,361
35,550
39,501
44,386
44,608
38,342
42,434
43,232
43,414
38,704
35,891
29,383
26,866
27,640
30,028
34,001
25,346

21,339
18,451
21,804
23,631
26,801
28,403
24,822
24,761
27,053
25,922
23,812
23,722
22,483
24,137
23,972
25,999
25,219
26,084
25,180

5,503
5,834
5,504
5,425
5,041
5,000
5,500
6,000
5,351
5,964
6,068
5,618
6,772
6,721
7,078
6,250
8,447
9,300
5,580

Russia

Egypt

Brazil

1,000
acres

1,000
acres

1,000
acros

1,897
1,239
1,869
1,780
1,856
1,998
1,854
1,574
1,805
1,911
2,162
1,747
1,135
1,873
1,798
1,733
1,781
2,053
1,852

948

242

258

1,257
1,511
1,550
1,912
1,542
1,422
1,376
1,393
1,726
1,694
2,000
1,703
2,851
3,981
5,054
5,220
6,672

165

268

346

275

419

281

574

272

611

293

570

316

315

296
174
527

1,244
1,464
1,631
1,981
2,400
2,608
3,911
5,281
5,367
5,070
4,787
4,827
5,023
5,163
5,108

Uganda

Peru

1,000
acres

1,000
acres

533

316

700

283

663

316

740

330

866

314

1,071
1,091
1,186
1,366
1,487
1,759
1,502

1939-40
1940-41

Includes Manchuria.

Preliminary.
Continued

304

322
368
400
409
388

1

379

Table 16.--Cotton: Acreage in specified countries, and world total,
1920-21 to date-continued

Mexico

Argen-

tina

year

Sudan

1,000 1,000
acres
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37

1937-38 2
1938-39 2

Chosen Turkey

acres

1,000
acres

1,000

1,000

Belgian
Congo

garia foreign

1.000

1,000

74

59

85

359

241

39

87

362

1

343

56

64

370

1/

124

155

116

389

1/

185

292

958

174

418

396

148

346

272

239

485

392

173

425

177

216

529

346

235

613

210

239

503

235

272

326

245

284

503

407

265

502

301

369

456

301

314

492

387

473

337

315

609

390

336

472

368

336

491

319

325

390

472

342

358

192

482

333

432

401

539

424

365

474

062

707

486

418

392

514

751

763

520

599

561

852

713

475

627

845

443

792

1,035
1,018

548

830

576

483

1/

Total

Bul-

1,000

World

1,000

acres acres acres acres acres acres
1

Crop

AngloEgyptian

86

5 32,092 66,500
4 29,322 58,000
4 33,539 64,900
4 36,300 71,850
5 41,199 80,200
7 43,314 87,700
7 39,942 84,550
13 39,758 78,100
13 42,866 85,300
14 43,168 86,400

13 43,006 85,450
14 43,396 82,100
20 42,609 78,500
51 46,717 76,100
48 48,634 75,500
89 51,820 79,460
77 54,882 84,910
114 59,399 93,400
143 50,144 75,490

1939-40
1940-41

1 Comparable data not available
2 Preliminary.
Bureau of Agricultural Economics. Compiled from official sources and reports

of the International Institute of Agriculture or estimates of the Bureau of
Agricultural Economics.

Table

17. Cotton: Production in specified countries, and world
total, 1920-21 to date

United
States

Crop

year

1,000

bales 2
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38

1938-39 3

3

13,429
7,945
9,755
10,140
13,630
16,105
17,978
12,956
14,477
14,825
13,932
17,097
13,003
13,047
9,636
10,638
12,399
18,946
12,008

India

China 1

Russia

Egypt

1,000
beless

1,000
bales?

1,000
bales?

bales2

3,013
3,752
4,245
4,320
5,095
5,201
4,205
4,990
4,838
4,387
4,373
3,353
3,897
4,374
4,065
4,965
5,285
4,867

2,406
2,197
2,510
2,406
2,510
2,458
3,301
2,834
2,720
2,458
2,615
2,092
2,720
2,981
3,243
2,667
3,870
3,600
2,300

1939-40
1940-41

Includes Manchuria.

1

2

3

Bales of 478 pounds net weight.
Preliminary.

1,000

Brazil
1,000
bales?

Uganda

Peru

1,000
bales?

1,000

bales2

58

1,251

476

68

43

902

459

40

186

1,391
1,353
1,507
1,650
1.586
1,261
1,672
1,768
1,715
1,323
1,028
1,777
1,566
1,769
1,887
2,282
1,523

484

74

199

522

108

212

740

164

215

561

151

210

593

110

246

464

116

246

430

171

225

571

108

303

483

158

271

555

173

234

481

247

242

1,014
1,328
1,757
1,824
2,108

239

278

212

345

272

393

269

386

349

376

55

197
453
782

830

1,096
1,174
1,229
1,587
1,845
1,816
1,887
1,738
2,250
3,250
3,500

177

380

Table 17. Cotton: Production in specified countries, and world
total, 1920-21 to date - continued

1

1,000

1,000

bales

bales

foreign

1,000

1,000

bales

bales

1,000
bales-

26

26

101

147

17

20

82

30

202

26

24

103

30

175

59

38

112

57

16

67

41

123

78

14

196

106

123

105

16
23

2

200

135

5

7

2

2

360

58

130

143

97

115

111

133

54

28

179

118

142

150

113

31

278

150

139

139

101

34

246

106

149

67

139

74

178

101

91

210

206

40

169

121

134

64

150

28

102

200

138

138

80

260

131

11

223

136

162

18

227

105

295

39

201

188

124

373

241

251

145

395

144

209

288

30

268

41

340

213

170

264

206

237

194

113

260

World

1,000

7,921
8,025
9,545
9,880

3

2

1

1937-38 3
1938-39 3

1,000
bales

garia

1

1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1938-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37

1,000
bales:

Congo

1

1920-21
1921-22

1

1,000
bal

tina

Bul-

1

year

Sudan

Total

Belgian

1

Mexico

Chosen Turkey

1

Argen-

1

Crop

AngloEgyptian

3

3

4

4

4

6

35

11,530
12,135
10,942
11,934
12,403
12,035
12,298
10,723
11,357
13,843
14,204
16,112
18,921
19,279
16,392

bales
21,350
15,970
19,300
20,020
25,160
28,200
28,920
24,890
26,880
26,860
26,230
27,820
24,360
26,890
23,840
26,750
31,320
38,225
28,400

1939-40
1940-41

1
2

Bales of 478 pounds net weight
Comparable data not available

3 Preliminary.
Bureau of Agricultural Economics. Compiled from official sources and reports

of the International Institute of Agriculture or estimates of the Bureau of

Agricultural Economics,

Table 18. Cotton, American and Foreign: Production, End of Season Carry-Over
and Percentage Carry-over of Production, 1920-21 to Date.

Foreign

American

Crop

year

U.S.

Production

Foreign
World carry- Percentage
over, end of carry-over :Production
of production
season 1

World carryover, end of
season 1

Percental
carry-ove
of product

tion

1,000
bales
1920-21
1921-22
1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38
1938-39

13,664
8,285
10,124
10,330
14,006
16,181
18,162
12,957
14,555
14,716
13,873
16,877
12,961
12,712
9,576
10,495
12,375
18,412
11,850

1,000

bales
9,674
5,680
3,318
2,711
3,380
5,501
7,845
5,206
4,517
6,187
8,976
13,263
11,809
10,701
9,041
5,998
6,235
13,652

1,000

Percent
70.8
68.6
32.8
26.2
24.1
34.0
43.2
40.2
31.0
42.0
64.7
78.6
91.1
84.2
94.4
66.7
50.4
74.1

bales
6,964
6,888
8,327
8,760
10,089
10,562
9,768
10,386
11,247
11,535
11,503
9,602
10,500
13,354

13,474
15,825
18,476
18,164
16,000

1,000
bales
5,495
4,814
4,253
3,903
4,568
4,972
4,809
5,329
6,024
5,705
5,832
5,073
5,307
6,839
6,031
6,651
7,531
8,960

Percent

78.9
69.9
51.1
44.6
45.3
47.1
49.2
51.3
53.6
49.5
50.

52.8

50.5
51.2
44.8
42.0
40.8
49.3

1 The carry-over at the end of the season cannot be added to the production
season to get the supply. To get the supply. production is added to the can
over at the end of the preceding season.
Compiled from reports of New York Cotton Exchange Service.
Southern Division
February 27, 1939
is

Table 19.

Crop

Produc-

Indian
End season

tion

carry-over

1,000

1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38
1938-39

1,000

bales 1

bales 1

5,920

2,830
2,737
2,470
3,341

5,723
5.002
5,611
5,899
6,222

5.738

3,722
3,380
3,035

4,178
5,138
6,042
5,248
6,654

7,076
6,178

2,354
3,168
4,185
3,117
3,518
4,011
4,033

Cotton, Indian, Egyptian and Sundry: Production, End of Season, Carry-over,
and Percentage Carry-ovor is of Production, 1924-25 to date.
Sundry

Egyptian
Percentage

carry-over of

Produc-

tion

production
Percent
47.8
47.8
49.4
59.5
63.1
54.3
52.9
56.3
61.7
69.3
59.4
52.9
56.7
65.3

End season

carry-over

1,000

1,000

bales a

bales 2

963

366

1,140
1,085

605

814

557

1,089
1,145
1,117

650

861

683

1,144
1,002
1,156
1,225
1,477

702

845

1,098
951
716

710

Percentage

carry-over
of production
Percent
38.0
53.1
64.7
68.4
59.7
73.8
98.3
110.5
104.8
62.1

544
529
461
717

1 Bales of approximately 400 pounds average net weight.
2/ Running bales of approximately 750 pounds average gross weight.
3/ Equivalent bales of 478 pounds net weight.
Compiled from reports of New York Cotton Exchange Service.
Southern Division
February 27, 1939

54.3
45.8
37.6
48.5

Produc-

tion
1,000
balos 3
3,888
4,251
4,117
4,660
4,873
4,817
5,215
4,951
5,352
6,781
7,753
8,744
10,952
10,963

End season

Percentage

carry-over

carry-over of

1,000
bales 3.
1,748
1,862
1,766
1,809
2,058
1,717
1,735
1,744
1,685
2,412
2,711
3,032
3,621
4,639

production
Percent
45.0
43.8
42.9
38.8
42.2
35.5
33.3

35.2
31.5
35.6
35.0
34.7
33.1
42.3

Table 20. - United Kingdom: Imports of cotton by countries, reexports
and net imports, 1921 to date 1
Imported from Calendar
year

United
States

British
Egypt

India

Peru

Anglo-Egyp-

tian Sudan

Brazil

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2/

1,000

bales 2

beles 2

bales 2

bales

484

32

125

22

34

661

92

162

17

77

729

227

162

27

44

722

209

160

40

35

638

207

177

35

78

657

140

183

101

67

662

101

225

130

45

636

202

168

102

29

619

222

169

128

139

1930

1,676
1,910
1,400
1,986
2,564
2,238
1,922
1,816
1,749
1,235

441

255

176

102

145

1931

927

535

221

138

24

77

1932

503

112

138

129

1933

1,529
1,584

669

229

167

93

1934

960

577

322

184

108

1935

1,197
1,293
1,601

569

345

140

130

126

591

487

165

121

307

608

483

194

165

225

928

540

365

180

176

221

1922
1923
1924
1925
1926
1927
1928
1929

1936

1937 3
1938 3

3

1921

29

302

1939

1940

Continued

382

Table 20. - United Kingdom: Imports of cotton by countries, reexports

and net imports, 1921 to date - Continued 1

Imported from -

British

Argen-

Africa

tina

countries

Net

Reexports

imports

Total

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

50

1921

Other

1922

39

1923

55

30

1

Calendar
year

33

5

51

8

1924

80

10

59

1925

157

26

79

1926

139

48

68

1927

74

12

70

1928

86

49

66

1929

83

60

51

1930

69

51

65

1931

46

79

234

1932

31

81

104

1933

84

49

35

1934

60

90

39

1935

60

51

44

1936

74

92

107

1937 3
1938 3

60

39

91

55

4

56

2,453
2,996
2,703
3,301
3,963
3,641
3,239
3,154
3,221
2,538
2,282
2,531
2,939
2,641
2,661
3,235
3,473
2,526

316
178
220
297

286
308
277

143
164
153
85

111
114
135
156
128
125
96

2,137
2,818
2,483
3,003
3,676
3,333
2,963
3,011
3,058
2,385
2,196
2,520
2,825
2,507
2,505
3,107
3,348
2,430

1939
1940

1 Excludes linters. No domestic exports reported.
2 Bales of 478 pounds net weight.
3 Preliminary.
Statistics relating to international trade in cotton and linters, 1921-35.

Bureau of Agricultural Economics, December 1936. 1935 to date from records of
the Bureau of Agricultural Economics.

Southern Division,
February 20, 1939.

Table 21. - Cermany:

Imports of cotton by countries, exports and
not imports, 1921 to date 1/
Imported from -

1,000

balos 2

:Argentina: Brazil

Peru

1,000

1,000

bales 2/

bales 2

1,000
bales

Belgia
Congo

1,000
2/

bales

i

1921

1,167

210

56

4

1922
1923
1924

931

152

57

4

703

123

50

1,010
1,405
1,286
1,946
1,414
1,411
1,271
1,092
1,365
1,444

154

85

205

86

121

60

157

106

11

209

84

10

257

108

16

251

112

15

17

28

166

135

10

11

47

95

152

22

165

180

24

(4)

875

160

204

26

38

52

1935

345

129

181

66

380

116

24

1936
1937

326

136

134

44

159

86

12

302

117

182

27

288

85

1938 6

208

102

209

75

374

66

1932

1933
1934

2
2

(3)

4

9

(3)

2

(3)

3
3

9

2
2

(3)

5

3

3

1

13

(3)

12

2

1931

3

10

6

1930

3

1

1929

(3)

8

0

1926
1927
1928

1

1925

4

17

39
45

1939
1940

Continued

5

:

bales 2

Egypt

:

bales 2

1,000

:

1,000

India

:

States

British

:

United

:

Calendar
year

383
Table

21.

- Germany: Imports of cotton by countries, exports and
not imports, 1921 to date - Continued 1
Imported from China

:

:
:

Turkey

Iran
(Persia)

:

Calendar
year

: Net
Exports

Other

countries

:imports

Total

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

balos 2

bales 2/

bales 2/

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

1921

(3)

1922

(3)

1923

(3)

1924

(3)

1925

(3)

1926

(3)

1927

(3)

1928

(4)

1929

(4)

2

8

0

1

0

6

(3)

6

4

2

3

14
5

11

1931

4

2
7

1932

11

1933

14

16

(4)

15

(4)

24

(4)

12

(4)

22

(4)

15

(4)

14

26

1935

70

18

1936

74

13

1937

38

1938 6

16

2

9

13

17
24

9

1934

14

(4)

(4)

3

3

11

1,454
1,163

5/76
157

1,378
1,007

900

129

771

(2)

1

1930

11

29

27

24

76

98
8

(3)
15

75

70

1,276
1,732
1,497
2,266
1,760
1,839
1,827
1,501
1,728
1,921

1,462
1,430
1,092
1,129
1,153

120

178
236

376
344
388
400
354
310

253
231

190
34

(3)

(3)

1,156
1,555
1,260
1,890
1,416
1,452
1,328
1,147
1,418
1,669
1,231
1,240
1,059
1,129
1,153

1939

1940

1 Excludes linters.
2 Bales of 478 pounds net weight.
3 Less than 500 bales.

4 If any, included in "other countries."

5 8 months, May - December.

6 Preliminary.

Statistics relating to international trade in cotton and linters, 1921-35,

Bureau of Agricultural Economics. December 1936. 1936 to date from records of
the Bureau of Agricultural Economics.

tests

oftogra

Ed

hearthand

Table 22.- Japan: Imports of cotton by countries, 1921 to date
Imported from -

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

643

1923

613

1924
1925
1926

656

1930
1931
1932

1933
1934
1935

1936 5
1937 5
1938

1,051
1,251
1,760
1,071
1,241
1,075
1,472
2,519
2,057
1,795
1,594
1,641
1,169

1,219
1,282
1,354
1,256
1,702
1,623
1,381
1,274
1,421
1,308
1,330
759

1,101
1,603
1,442
1,862
1,942

East

French

Indies

Indo-Cell

Egypt

1,000

bales 2

154
106
174

26

278

37

191

52

241

71

1,000

bales 2

bales

41

10

288

66

285

49

214

65

10

4

1

1

2

3

2
6

194
197
147

51

79

91

1

2

(3)

2

(3)

3

156

78

91

152

117

149

128

123

(4)

111

186

18

1

2

4

6

(4)

1939

1940

Continued

to

1,000

1

1922

1929

Netherland
China

bales 2
965

1928

India

1,000

1921

1927

British

1

United
States

2

Calendar
year

abross
to

384

Table 22. - Japan: Importe of cotton by countries, 1921 to date - Continued 1/
TOD

Imported from lendar

Straits

East

year

Africa

Brazil

Peru

Settlements

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

Dales 2

bales 2/

Other

countries
1,000

1,000

bales a/

bales 2

reind
922

as

0

333

0

257

0

0

5

1

0

(3)

4

at

0

923

(3)

9

0

921

as
4

0

0

4

0

924

8.1

(3)

925

(4)

926

(4)

927

(4)

928

11

(3)

929

36

(3)

930

10

(3)

1

(3)

931

2

(4)

1

NS

(4)

1

(3)
TE

(3)

Bes
ESS

oes
zer
TOX

(4)

13

(4)

25

(3)

28

(4)
(4)

881

2

3

(3)

0

0

RES

08

(3)
RE:

1

0

ABI
0

(3)

0

32

1

1

933

32

(3)

934

54

(3)

935

3

936

110

937

76

(8)

(c)
(&)

(3)
(4)
(3)

938

3

(3)

20
32

8
6

ES

42

(8)
(8)

(c)

11

Total

28

(4)

(4)

346

(4)

(4)

305

2,401
2,389
2,434
2,239
3,018
3,215
3,531
2,695
2,981
2,644
3,083
3,521
3,450
3,746
3,392
4,209
3,809

(8)

939

940

Excludes linters. No exports reported.
Bales of 478 pounds net weight.
Less than 500 bales.

If any, included in "other countries."

Preliminary.

Statistics relating to international trade in cotton and linters, 1921-35.
ureau of Agricultural Economics. December 1936. 1936 to date from records of the
ureau of Agricultural Economics.

Southern Division
February 21, 1939.

Table 23.- - France: Imports of cotton by countries, exports andnet
imports, 1921 to date 1
Calendar
year

Imported from United
States

British

United

Belgium

India

Egypt

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

Kingdom

Nether-

Turkey

lands

West

Afric

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2/baela 2/

1921

771

1922

846

121

135

16

1923

750

156

198

18

15

11

1924

845

190

223

20

27

21

1925

180

190

26

34

25

11

177

191

37

28

25

18

1927

1,016
1,109
1,120

120

187

37

45

11

25

1928

931

214

185

29

13

31

25

13

31

19

22

16

59

82

17

10

French

bales

1

1

49

1929

949

251

1930

1,044

260

196

39

1931

622

137

182

21

1932

802

64

239

158

1933

1,062

217

1934

542

193

213

1935

492

194

214

1936

870

237

234

1937 4

696

211

255

1938

228

30

22

23

(3)
(3)
(3)
(3)

(E)
(c)

(8)

4

(8)

(8)
(8)
(E)

18

9

8

4

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)
(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

(3)

1939

1940

Continued

1000

11

(E)

9

(6)

7

(A)

7

7

1926

(8)

15

385

Table

23. - France: Imports of cotton by countries, exports and net
imports. 1921 to date - Continued 1

Imported from -

alendar
year

Germany

Brazil

Argentina

countries

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2/

1,000
bales

(3)

921

922

(3)

18
27

28

3

1923

(3)

12

6

32

11

3

41
3

3

1924

5

17

52
4

13

1927

10

(3)

1928

26

(3)

929

28

(3)

19

30

12

(3)

24

1931

11

10

7

65
4

88
9

12

(3)

14

1934

(3)

47

1935

(3)

52

(3)

67

(3)

63

1933

1936

1937 4

68
49

13

7

92

9

(3)

1932

62

15

1926

36

43
53

13

10

61

64
59

imports

Total

2/

Net

1,000

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

bales2

976

100

876

106

1,111
1,091
1,302
1,469
1,592
1,516
1,454

1,217
1,206
1,393
1,569
1,698
1,640
1,589
1,696
1,721
1,074
1,129
1,606
1,071
1,032
1,491
1,300

115
91

100
106
124

136
61

56
41

32

16
22

30
19
18

1,635
1,665
1,033
1,097
1,589
1,048
1,002
1,472
1,282

6

6

7

1925

Exports

Other

1938
1939
1940

Excludes linters. Beginning 1929, classified as "ginned" and "unginned": prior
to 1929, classified as "cotton, including waste. II Unginned has been reduced
to terms of ginned.

1

Bales of 478 pounds net weight.

2

3

If any, included in "other countires."

Preliminary.

Statistics relating to international trade in cotton and linters, 1921-35.
Bureau of Agricultural Economics. December 1936. 1935 to date from records of the
Bureau of Agricultural Economics.

uthern Division,
February 20, 1939.

Table 24.- Italy: Imports of cotton by countries, exports

and

not imports, 1921 to date 1

Imported from - 1001

1,000

Ceylon
1,000

bales 2

bales 2

(3)

1921

Other

Exports

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales

1,000

1,000

bales 2

bales 2

bales 2

(3)

(3)

728

820

1922

173

58

1923

529

221

95

11

855

539

286

90

14

929

1925

728

258

84

23

1926

791

210

77

27

1,093
1,104

79

16

964

1927

739

130

9

779

183

93

17

1929

767

222

111

29

1,072
1,128

1930

613

221

86

25

944

1928

726

3

581

1924

imports

countries

1,000

(3)

Net

2

818

852

926

3

1,090

3

1,104

1

United
States

British
Indian and Egypt

Total
imports

3

Calendar
year

963

1

(4)

1,072
1,126

1

943

1

1931

483

168

99

35

786

1932

676

67

106

28

877

1933

761

121

118

14

1,014

1934

532

148

155

30

864

1935

401

122

134

29

686

(4)

(4)
(4)

768

(4)

724

1936

339

32

64

33

468

1937

453

82

138

95

768

1938 5

439

(4)

872

1,017

1

1

724

101

122

63

786

1

468

1939

1940

1 Excludes linters.
2

Bales of 478 pounds net weight.

3 Not available by countries.
4 .Less than 500 bales.

5 Preliminary.

Bearity

to

Statistics relating to international trade in cotton and linters, 1921-35,
of Agricultural Economics. December 1936. 1934 to date from records of the
of Agricultural Economics.

charts

of
to

rednood
Lawes

to

Cotton,
United

Crop

American: Exports from United States, by countries, 1899-1900 to date (1,000 rening bales)
Ital;

France

lands

KingSon

1900-01
1901-02
1902-03
1903-04
1904-06
1905-06
1906-07
1907-06
1908-09
1909-10
1910-11

1911-12
1912-13
1913-14
1914-15
1915-16
1916-17
1917-18
1918-19
1919-20
1920-21
1921-22

1922-23
1923-24
1924-25
1925-26
1926-27

1927-28
1928-29
1929-30
1930-31
1931-32
1932-33
1933-34
1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38

3,040.7
439.4
2,986.9
422.5
2,752.9
363.1
2,451.4
526.7
3,925.1
477.7
2,990.9
542.8
3,770.5
421.4
2,900.0
547.7
1,071.7
3,564.9
363.4
930.6
2,368.3
421.5
964.5
3,336.1
624.7
1,183.0
4,213.9
485.5
1,019.0
3,570.1
515.2
1,066.5
3,455.8
1,109.5
682.6
3,771.6
788.9
921.9
2,852.4
643.6
994.1
2,682.2
349.2
509.4
2,275.4
574.6
702.2
2,634.3
577.8
571.1
3,059.5
508.2
603.3
1,746.9
509.7
761.0
1,766.4
496.7
634.5
1,285.1
545.6
703.9
1,704.0
726.3
887.8
2,527.1
745.3
902.6
2,257.2
779.0
999.3
2,530.2
686.8
865.2
1,411.4
716.6
774.6
1,830.8
652.4
811.5
1,256.0
476.5
914.2
1,053.8
649.1
463.1
1,344.4
803.9
863.8
1,491.9
649.0
709.0
1,278.4
738.2

1,409.5
1,144.4

1,551.9

372.7
680.9
655.2

718.5

Included in other countries

Canada

1,634.9
1,651.1
1,862.4
1,778.0

21.8

272.3

129.6
150.3
104.8
146.5
106.0
144.8

249.0

116.6

293.2

148.8

27.7
28.8

2,016.7

1,801.6
2,226.8
2,333.9
2,353.7
2,156.4
3,056.3
2,352.3
2,786.0

166.4
240.6
297.4
301.3
279.4

242.7

444.1

1,852.1

0

0

436.1

1,280.3
1,343.8
920.9

1,190.0
1,733.8
1,641.8
2,738.0
1,987.7
1,796.8
1,687.4
1,639.9
1,570.3
1,848.9
1,318.1

474.1

341.9
765.5
649.7
655.9

16.4

164.6

46.4

30.2
17.7
28.2

123.8
110.8

323.6

113.1
94.8
92.8
76.7
69.2

249.5
189.0
197.6

18.5
17.8
35.0
13.9
34.6

144.7
202.4

213.3
218.6
1.2

319.1
376.1

o

41.3

96.3

o

0

232.6
300.7
237.7
253.9

308.3
217.9

203.7
271.1
305.7

339.0
304.6
273.2
260.4
250.9
305.6
312.7
275.4
240.2
207.1
.3

India

Others

Total

1,189.7

6,065.0

1,087.7

6,559.0
6,763.1
6,885.3
6,035.8
8,559.5
6,906.3
8,616.5
7,465.4

123.0

93.6

152.8

149.4
459.9
373.5
336.9
433.0

176.3

73.3
90.8

149.2

509.1

200.6

183.3

113.9
54.0

285.6

193.1
194.4
200.2
176.0
204.9
148.6
185.6

o

89.1

74.7

182.8
160.2
170.0
167.2
154.1
208.0
200.5
273.5
201.6
202.1
169.7
137.9
135.9
182.6

163.4

121.3
97.2
157.2
154.0
189.5

111.2

146.6

111.6
15.0
.3

0

99.4
78.8
68.8

6.6

194.7

203.1

184.7

138.6
111.9
140.4
140.2
152.7

253.1

145.5
197.8
240.9
259.8
223.4
254.4

132.0
135.2
147.4

125.7
57.4
67.2
86.9
116.9

619.7
733.4
412.2
633.1
502.8
325.4
267.4

130.1

107.9

o

China

Japan

310.4
86.0
162.1
138.0

1

379.9
397.6
505.5

11

Europe

1,598.2

703.4
739.7
752.5
784.5
698.9
833.8
768.7
943.1
865.6

o

1899-1900 2,263.3

Russia

:Nether-

Belgium

Spain

Germany

o

233.2
501.1

424.3
317.7

o

43.0
50.0
110.9

10.2
11.6
79.6
100.7
20.7
37.6
113.5
271.7
118.3

1,124.8

1,615.8
959.3

306.6

1,550.5

246.0

690.5

o

0

o

o

6.5

5.0
o

27.0

862.1

1,479.2

269.5

0

4.7

817.8
635.6
543.9

248.3

176.4

12.6
4.0

637.5

225.5

189.6
186.9

of

491.4
481.3
604.3
784.5
673.0

1,309.2
1,020.0
1,228.4
2,293.8
1,743.3
1,845.6
1,524.4

181.6

128.7
29.9

o

0

Table 25.

236.5
225.6
428.7

1,111.7

Source: Compiled from floial records of the Bureau of Foreign and

300.5
375.3
108.1
36.5
14.0
22.8

o

3.5

335.9 8,635.1
117.1 6,206.0

135.5

7,788.5

362.5

10,719.3

194.7
200.4

8,746.1
9,150.8
8,544.6
6,191.1
5,739.0
4,288.4
5,592.4
6,545.3
5,744.7
6,164.1
4,822.6
5,655.9
8,005.2
8,051.5
10,926.6
7,542.4
8,043.6

966.9

212.2
197.7
97.6

245.8
227.4
220.3
136.6
173.9
50.4
168.1

19.1

155.0

299.5

179.5

57.4

152.2

10.4
7.7

168.4
156.8

6,689.8

168.0

6,759.9
8,707.6
8,419.4

106.9
236.1

263.2

59.1

467.6

18.4
48.4
6.5
13.0

513.2
459.5
467.1

141.3

760.7

7,534.4

4,798.5
5,972.6
5,440.0
5,595.4

534.1

by

P.R.E.

3
8
6

Table 26, Available Supply of American Cotton, Supply of all Cotton Available for Foreign Consumption and Supply Ratio and Consumption Ratio.

United States

World Supply
Season

. Consumption

of

(1)

(1,000 bales)
1920-21

1921-22
1922-23
1923-24

1924-25
1925-26
1926-27
1527-28
1926-29
1929-30
193G-31

1931-32
1932-33
1933-34

1934-35
1935-36
1936-37
1937-38
1938-39

.

American

World Supply

of American Col. (1) - Col. (2), on January 31
(2)

(8)

(1,000 bales)

(1,000 bales)

4,677

15,325

17,959
15,804
13,648

5,613
6,325
5,355
5,917
6,176

12,346

19,561
23,663
20,802
19,761

19,233
20,060
25,853
26,724
24,521
20,277

19,536
19,373
24,647
25,502

6,880
6,535
6,778
5,805
5,064
4,744
6,004
5,553
5,241

6,221
7,768
5,616

6,500

Available Supply
of American (less

less Consumption Financed Cotton Consumption and

20,002

16,717

Government

9,479

21,109

20,220
18,968
15,036
13,315
11,606
19,051
19,002

(5)

(6)

Col. (s) Col. (4)
(1,000 bales)

8,296

10,800
13,385
16,783

13,385
16,783
14,267

12,983
13,430
14,976

Foreign

15,325
12,346
9,479

8,295
10,800

14,267

4,004

12,963
12,115
11,584
17,720
16,641
14,964

5,531

9,506

1,315
3,592

3,389
3,579

of

Government Stocks)

(4)

(1,000 bales)

World Supply of
World Supply

(1,000 bales)

Foreign Plus

Available Supply
of American

Supply Ratio y

Col.(6) . Col. (7)

(7)

(1,000 bales)

(8)

(9)

(Percent)

(Percent)

12,378

27,705

55.3

24,729

13,141
18,013
13,991

22,620

49.9
41.9

15,150
14,740
16,195
16,576
17,559

28,515
31,523

15,573

5,095

8,220

18,661
20,312
21,856

3,018
6,613

8,587

25,127

12,518

25,695

11,011

7,991

25,210

Ratio

Col. (5) Col. (6)

12,383

17,208
15,434

Consumption

21,306
24,791

38.9.
43.6
46.9
53.2

29,462

48.4

29,559
29,674
28,592

43.9
40.8

33,164

53.4

32,214
35,625

51.7

39.8

45.6
47.8
41.7
38.8
44.7
44.2
48.0
48.6
45.2

38.5
34.8
43.2
45.3

44.5

41.3

29,818
30,076
33,714

31.9

29.6

38,213
33,201

32.8

24.4

24.1

22.6

27.3

29.4

25.5

23.4

American Cotton in Punning Balec. Foreign Cotton in Equivalent Bales of 476 Pounds Net Feight,
Sources Bureau of Agricultural Fecnordos, Team York Cotton Exchange Service, Bureau of the Census, Reports of the Compodity Credit Corporation and records in the Southern
Division, Agricultural Adjustment Administration.

/Supply retio is the ratio of the available supply of American cotton to the world supply of foreign cotton plue the available supply of American.
/Consumption retio is the ratio of foreign consumption of American cotton to foreign consumption of all kinds of cotton,
/Estimated.

Southern Division
February 28, 1939.

387
U. S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

Washington, D. C.

lease - Inmediate
STATEMENT BY THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE. HENRY A, WALLACE

Before the Senate Agriculture Committee, February 23, 1939,

The basic principles of the current farm program, in my opinion, are sound.
far as cotton is concerned, the program has maintained producer income at al-

twice that of the 1932 level, Had it not been for the farm program, the huge
ton surplus which followed the 19 million bale crop in 1937 would have resulted
a disaster for the cotton growers even more severe than that of 1932.
It should be kept in mind that much of our huge cotton surplus resulted from
lack of an effective control program in 1937, although unusually favorable

ther for the crop also was an important factor in the production that year.

r the control provisions of the original Agricultural Adjustment Act were indated by the Supreme Court, production increased sharply. By August 1, 1937

13 million bale carryover of 1932 had been reduced to 6,200,000 bales. But

I the 19 million bale crop in 1937 the carryover of August 1, 1938, had insed again to 13,600,000 bales.
We should see to it that we retain the gains already made but at the same
we should make any additions which may be necessary to improve the present

ram. The situation confronting the cotton industry indicates that some addimay be desirable. Among the factors entering into this situation are the
ence of huge surpluses of cotton; the continued accumulation of cotton under
fal loan and the decrease in exports for the current season.

I do not believe we can continue indefinitely a cotton program which results
ual additions to already formidable loan stocks, nor can we ignore our de1406-39

2-

clining export markets. It is ossential that wo retain our fair share of the
world markot for cotton. At the samo time I do not bolievo producers will consent
to reduction or abolition of the present loan unless something is done to prevent
such action from decreasing an already inadequate income.
Abandonment of the loan program for 1939 without a plan to maintain the
come of cotton producers near 1938 levels might be interpreted as breaking faith
with the growers who voted for cotton marketing quotas in the reforendum on Deces

ber 10. In voting, cotton producers understood that if marketing quotas were is
effect for 1939 a loan was mandatory under the provisions of the Agricultural M
justment Act of 1938.
If we accept the assumptions made regarding the loan and exports, WO are

faced with a number of alternatives. Among them are:
1. Continuance of the present loan rate with some means of making cotton

available for export at prices competitive with foreign growths.
2. An increase in payments sufficient to koop cotton from being placed
under the loan. This is one of the principal features of S. 1303 which is before
you for consideration.
3. Somo form of price fixing or price supporting plan which would estable
a comparatively high rate on the domostically consumed portion of the crop and

would soll the remainder of the crop for what it would bring in the world market
Under the loan plans, most of the cotton consumed domostically probably

would be handled by the private trade as it is now haniled. On the other hand,
now

the government would have more supervision over the cotton exported than it
has, although the actual exportation of the cotton could be done through regular

trade channels as is being done in the case of wheat.
To be successful, any loan plan must be accompanied by effective products
control.
1406-592

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-

The bill under consideration provides for payments to producers who keep

their cotton out of the loan. This plan would result in an increased supply of
cotton available for export and domestic consumption at prices lower than the

present loan rate. S. 1303, however, authorizes no definite appropriation for
carrying out the payment provisions and a considerable sum of money will be needed

to keep the cotton from going into the loan. The growers would not sebl their
cotton in the open market unless the market price and the extra payments amounted

to more than the loan rate.
at

If this proposal became effective, cotton would flow into commercial chanmels as it did when there was no loan which had price pegging effects.

So far as cotton is concerned, the price fixing proposals would require a
comparatively high rate on the domestically consumed portion of the crop if the
income is to be maintained near present levels. This is true because under ordinary circumstances, more than half the crop is exported. In considering any price

fixing plan, attention should be given to the effects of the domestic price on
substitutes for cotton. These effects might be offset by a compensatory tax on
competing products.

Any price fixing plan might require a government license for all cotton
ginners and handlers.

If sufficient funds can be raised to make it effective, the proposal tn
increase payments so that cotton would be kept out of the loan in 1939 would seem

desirable. This plan, which is embodied in S. 1303, would allow cotton to be
handled in ordinary commercial channels and, at the same time, would preserve the
income of the cotton producers.

It should be recognized, however, that it may be difficult to raise the
necessary funds in the absence of some special source of revenue. If1406-39-3
a processing

-tax cannot be obtained, careful consideration should be given any proposal which

would achieve the results of the tax and would not require direct appropriations.
The objectives of the plan embodied in S. 1303, it should be emphasized, cannot
be attained unless enough money is provided to keep all
breabut a comparatively small

quantity of cotton out of the loan.
I have discussed these various alternatives in their broad outlines. The
bill under consideration proposes to liquidate stocks already under loan by turning a part of them over to the Federal Surplus Commodities Corporation for new
uses and for relief needs; by releasing cotton into commercial channels; and by

paying producers for further reductions in acreage with cotton now in the loan.
I agree with the objectives of these provisions. I would suggest, however,
that any practicable method of increasing exports and domestic consumption and of

reducing the loan stocks should be put into operation as soon as possible. In
particular, I would like to emphasize the necessity for an increased consumption

of cotton by our own people. A move in this direction is the proposal for turning over a portion of the loan cotton to Federal Surplus Commodities Corporation.
It should be pointed out, however, that the result sought can not be obtained usaoatos

302

less funds are provided to process and distributo this cotton.
In my opinion, it is important that any new logislation for cotton should
ml
embody provisions that will be applicable to other commodities in a similar
situshis
Chand

tion. This is desirable from the standpoint of fairness and from the standpoint
des

abites

of the unity of farm groups which is a proroquisite to the continuance of a sound
tedt

farm program.

The seriousness of the cotton situation is aggrevated by the dense farm
population in the South and the dependence of Southern oconomy upon cotton. Over
long time period it may be desirable and necessary for many of those now engaged

the production of cotton to shift to other pursuits. This transition is not poss:of ble in a brief space of time. Consequently, it is imperative that the realities
the present problem be faced and that whatever action necessary to maintain y
income of cotton producers, and to keep our fair share of the world market for
cotton, be taken as speedily as possible.
1406-39-1
above
at
and

389

THE COTTON SITUATION AND OUTLOOK

(Brief Summary as of Mid-February, 1939)
(Accompanying Tables 27-30)

The world supply of American cotton for the current (1938-39)

season is 25 1/2 million bales, slightly smaller than the peak supply
of 1931-32 and 1932-33 and 1/4 larger than the average for the 6 years

beginning August 1924. The total supply of all cottons -- 50 1/2

million bales -- is a little larger than last season and much larger
than any previous. season. It is 15 million bales or 2/5 larger than
the 6-year pre-depression average.
Domestic cotton consumption from August through January, of

3,400,000 bales, was 10 percent larger than a year earlier and, except

in 1936-37, the largest for the period since 1928-29. Consumption for
the season should total between 6 1/2 and 6 3/4 million bales.
Exports of American cotton for the 12 months ending July next

probably will be between 3 1/2 and 4 million bales. Exports for the
first half of the current season were 2,200,000 running bales, only 57
percent as large as in the same months last sonson, and wore the smallest

for the period since 1881-82.

Factors contributing to the small exports: (1) record stocks
of foreign cotton on hand at the beginning of the current season toTORYAL

gether with the near record foreign production, (2) the smallest total
consumption of cotton in foreign countries so far this season, since
1935-36, and (3) an exceptionally large degree of hand-to-mouth pur-

chases by foreign countries. The unusually high spot price of American

-2cotton relative to futures contracts and relative to foreign growths,
is undoubtedly an important factor in this hand-to-mouth purchasing.

Efforts on the part of certain foreign powers to conserve their foreign
exchange, along with the greater emphasis placed on products considered

more essential for military purposes, are also contributing factors.
Government loan stocks now total About 11 1/4 million bales

including 4 1/4 million bales of the 1938 crop, nearly 5 1/4 million
bales of the 1937 crop and almost 1 3/4 million bales from earlier

crops, As of February 1, stocks of "free" American cotton in the
United States including mill stocks amounted to about 6 1/4 million
balos which is the third smallest in 15 years, and by August 1 such
stocks may easily be the smallest since 1925,
World consumption of cotton. The consumption of American

cotton in foreign countries may be about 4 1/2 million bales which,
added to the estimate for the United States, would amount to only about

11 million bales. The consumption of foreign cottons may fall short of
the high levels of the past 2 years and amount to roughly 16 million
balos. Thus the world consumption of all cotton would amount to some-

thing around 27 million bales.
World carry-over of American cotton on August 1, 1939, probably

will be close to 14 1/2 million bales, nearly 1 million balos larger
than the record high of 1938 and 9 2/3 million bales above the 1924-29

average. The world carry-ovor of foreign cotton seems likely to be
E

about the same as in August 1938. Total stocks of all cottons seem likely

to oxcood 23 million bales, the largost on record.

390
able 27. Cotton: Mill consumption of specified growths, specified locations

beginning
August

6-yr.av.
1924-29
1930
1931
1932
1933
1934
1935
1936
1937

In

In

In

foreign
countrios

Unitod
States

World
1000

1000

1000

bales 1

balos 1

6,348
5,084
4,744
6,004
5,553
5,241
6,221
7,768
5,616

8,134
5,972
7,784
8,381
8,227
5,965
6,282
5,325
5,314

balos
14,482
11,056

1

In

World

1000

1000

balos 1/

balos
10,297
11,376
10,361
10,266
11,822
14,282
15,205
17,596
16,635

10,000
11,197
10,239
10,133
11,678
14,162
15,075
17,414
16,503

12,528
14,385
13,780
11,206
12,503
13,093
10,930

In

In

foreign
countrios

In

Unitod
States

foreign
countrios

1000

1000

balos
6,645
5,263
4,866
6,136
5,700

balos
18,134
17,169
18,023
18,514
19,902
20,127
21,357
22,739
21,817

1

Yoar

All kinds of cottons

Foreign cottons

5,361
6,351

7,950
5,748

In

World
1000

1

American cottons

balos 1
24,779
22,432
22,889
24,650
25,602
25,488
27,708
30,689
27,565

Bureau of Agricultural Economics.
Compiled from reports of the Burcau of the Consus and of the Now York Cotton Exchange Sorvice.

1 Amorican in running balos (counting round balos as half balos), foreign in balos
of approximately 478 pounds not.

Table 28. Cotton: Supplica of spocified growths, exports from the Unitod
Statos and prico of American

World supplios of commorcial

Amorican Cotton
Boginning
August

1924-29
1930
1931

1932
1933
1934

1935
1936
1937
1938

from

In

Unitod
States
1000

6-yr.av

Exports

Supply

Year

balos 1
17,525
18,195
23,140
22,541
20,793
17,224
17,632
17,711
22,799
23,296

In

World
1000

balos 1
19,956
20,060
25,853
26,224
24,521
20,277
19,536
19,373
24,647
25,502

United
States

Weightod

av. U. S.
farm prico
por pound

1000

bales 1
8,210
6,760
8,708
8,419
7,534
4,799
5,973
5,440
5,598

Conts
18.3
9.5
5.7

6.5

10.2
12.4
11.1
12.3
8.4
-

cottons

Foreign
cottons
1000

balos 1
15,532
17,208
15,434
15,573
18,661
20,313
21,856
25,127
25,695
24,960

All
cottons
1000

balos 1
35,488
37,268
41,287
41,797
43,182
40,590
41,392
44,500
50,342
50,462

-

Bureau of Agricultural Economics, Compiled from reports of the New York Cotton
Exchange Service except farm price which is from the Crop Reporting Board and exports which are from reports of the Bureau of the Census.
1/ American in running bales (counting round bales as half bales), foreign in bales
of approximately 478 pounds net.

Table 29. Cotton: Commercial production of specified growths, specifiedperi
American

Year beginning

Foreign
cottons

cotton

August

1924-29
1930
1931

1932
1933

1934
1935
1936
1937
1938

cottons

1000

1000

6-year av.

All
1000

bales 1

bales

15,096
13,873
16,877
12,961
12,712
9,576
10,495
12,375
18,412
11,850

10,598
11,503
9,602
10,500

balos
25,694
25,376
26,479
23,461

13,354

26,066

13,474
15,825
18,476
18,164
16,000

23,050
26,320
30,851

36,576
27,850

Bureau of Agricultural Economics. Compiled from reports of the New York
Cotton Exchange Service.

1 Amorican in running bal os (counting round bales as half bal os) foreign in balon
of approximately 478 pounds not.

Table 30. Cotton: Stocks (carry-ovor) of specified growths on August 1, specif
periods

Foreign Cottons

Amorican Cotton
In

United
States

Year

1000

bales 1

In

In

foreign
countries
1000

bales 1

6-year aw
1924-29
1930
1931

1932
1933
1934
1935

1936
1937
1938

2,429
4,322
6,263
9,580
8,081
7,648
7,137
5,336
4,387
11,446

2,431
1,865
2,713
3,683
3,728
3,053
1,904
1,662
1,848
2,206

All kinds of cottons
In

In

foreign
countries
1000

World

United
States

World

United
States

1000

1000

1000

1000

In

bales / bales
4,860
6,187
8,976
13,263
11,809
10,701
9,041
6,998
6,235
13,652

124
208
107
98

83
96
71

73

112
87

In

1

bales 1

oales 1

4,934
5,705
5,832
5,073
5,307
6,839

2,553
4,530
6,370
9,678
8,164
7,744
7,208
5,409
4,499
11,533

6,031
6,651
7,531
8,960

bales 1

In

World
1000

bales

9,796

7,241
7,362
8,438
8,658

8,952
9,796
7,864
8,240
9,267
11,079.

11,892
14,808
18,336
17,116
17,540
15,072
13,649
13,766
22,612

Bureau of Agricultural Economics. Compiled from reports of the Bureau
Census and of the New York Cotton Exchange Service.

1

American in running bales (counting round bales as half bales) foreign in

of approximately 478 pounds net.
ED

2-21-39

however

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May 15, 1939

The Secretary asked the President whether he could
approach Jesse Jones in regard to having Shram as an As-

sistant Secretary of the Treasury and the President said,
"no; nothing doing on that because Schram is too valuable

in the R.F.C. where he is."

The Secretary also asked the President whether
Hanes was included in the 4:30 tax meeting at the White
House today and the President's reply was "You will know

when my list of appointments comes over the ticker."

P. S. Hanes was included.

392
May 15, 1939
11:02 a.m.

HMJr:
Sumner

Hello.

Welles:

Hello. Good morning, Henry.

HMJr:

How are you?

W:

Fine ! I tried to reach you on Friday afternoon, but you

had wisely gone away.
HMJr:

Right !

And the matter I wanted to talk to you about is the fact
that I received that day a letter from the President -memorandum rather -- enclosing your letter to him.

HMJr:
W:

Yes.

With this statement, "Will you take this up with the
Secretary of the Treasury and let me have a joint re-

commendation"? Well, I wanted to ask you what you
wanted to do in the matter because, so far as we here
are concerned, my recommendations, or rather Mr. Hull
and my recommendations were contained in my letter to
you.

HMJr:

Well, the President spoke to me about it. He said,

"If you people would fix up a joint memorandum, what-

ever it is," he said, "I promise to put it in the

bottom of my basket and I won't get at it for a couple
of months." I mean, that was his idea.
W:

I see.

HMJr:

So what I would do is -- I mean -- because I'm going to

be guided by you -- if you'll simply put it in the form
of a recommendation I don't think he read your
letter very carefully. As a matter of fact, when he
talked to me he didn't seem to have read your letter
at all, you see?

W:

Well, probably not. He probably thought that it was

simply some comment made to you and that there wasn't

anything specific about it.
HMJr:

Well

W:

I have not spoken to him about it.

-2HMJr:

393

If you'll fix up a one-page memo and leave a place for

me
it to sign it, and sign it yourself, or Mr. Hull sign
W:

HMJr:

Uh-huh.

I'll send it over just the way you write it.
All right. And I'll simply, then, crystalize the former
memorandum -- the suggestion I made in this letter.

HMJr:

Yes, because when he talked to me, I -- he was sort of,

oh, a little sarcastic about it -- "Why didn't we get
together"? And SO I said, "Well, if you read Sumner
Welles' letter, I think we are." Well then, he came
out that he really hadn't read your letter.
W:

HMJr:

I see.

I suppose in his haste, so I think we'll just send him
over one page, based on whatever-your letter, if you
don't mind drafting it and signing it; leave a place
for me, and we'll send it over and see what he does.

W:

HMJr:
W:

HMJr:
W:

I'll be very happy to do that and I'll send it over to

you as soon as I can get it done.
But that's exactly what happened.

All right.
All right?
Yes, indeed. I'll be glad to do that.

HMJr:

And if you tell your man in charge of the western
division

W:

In charge of what?
Western division.

HMJr:
W:

Yes.

HMJr:

What's his name?

W:

Moffat.

HMJr:

Yeah -- that sometime today or tomorrow I'm going to ask

him if he'll drop over and just give me a thumbnail

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-3-

W:

HMJr:
W:

sketch of the situation as it is.
All right.
Is that all right with you?
Yes, indeed. I'll speak to him about it.

HMJr:

I mean, I want the political background.

W:

Yeah.

HMJr:

Thank you.

W:

HMJr:

All right, Henry.
I think that's just what happened, now -- with the
President.

W:

Yeah.

HMJr:

All right.

W:

All right, thanks. Good bye.

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May 15, 1939
12:33 p.m.
Harry
Hopkins:

Hello, Henry.

HMJr:

Harry.

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

I was sorry I couldn't talk but I had Wallace

H:

Yeah.

and Bell and Harold Smith.

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:

Well, that's what Mrs. Klotz told me. That's all right.
But -- well, I just wanted to say "hello".

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

How are you feeling?

H:

Well, I'm feeling fine, Henry, and I'm very anxious to
see you.

HMJr:

Well

H:

And I've not been working any afternoons yet. I've been
working

HMJr:

Do you want to come over for lunch tomorrow?

H:

Yeah.

HMJr:

One o'clock?

H:

Yeah. Fine 1

HMJr:

One o'clock.

H:

HMJr:
H:

HMJr:

All right.
And I'll be delighted to see......
All right.
........the head of the lighthouse service and I'll
arrange it.

396

-2H:

Fine.

HMJr:

Thank you.

H:

Good bye.

HMJr:

Good bye.

x

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May 15, 1939
12:44 p.m.
HMJr:

Hello.

Operator:

Mr. Parker.

HMJr:

Thank you. Hello.

G. B.

Parker:

Yes?

HMJr:

Morgenthau speaking.

P:

Well, how are you?

HMJr:

I'm fine. How are you?

P:

HMJr:

Well, I'm very well, thank you, sir.
I called you up because I thought that your editorial
last Friday entitled "Green Light on Tax Reforms" was
a peach.

P:

Well, I'm very glad to hear you say that and I'll pass
the compliment on to the author. I, unfortunately,

didn't write that.

HMJr:

P:

HMJr:

Well, whoever the author is, from my standpoint in trying to get something done, struck exactly the right tone.
Well, I appreciate your calling very much indeed, and
I'll -- Walker Stone, as you know
Yes.

was the author of that and I'll see that he gets

P:

the comment.
HMJr:

P:

Because there's been BO much written which simply makes

it more difficult for me to do my job.

Well, we're tremendously interested in the job you're
trying to do, as I guess you know.

HMJr:

Yeah.

P:

And I certainly hope it works out, and keep a stiff
upper lip.

HMJr:

Well, my upper lip is all right. As I told my wife,

my chin is up but I'm not sticking it out unnecessarily.

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2-

P:

Yeah. Not getting bloody but unbound.

HMJr:

Right.

P:

Well, I hope to see you soon.

HMJr:

I will. I -- I'll give you a ring.

P:

Well, that's fine, and thanks for calling.

HMJr:

Good bye.

P:

Bye bye.

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May 15, 1939.

E. S. Land, Chai rman

Huntington T. Morse, Assistant to Chairman.
Emergency Plans

Reference is made to my memorandum of April 7, 1938 to the
Commission; memorandum of July 26 from Commander H. L. Vickery
to the Commission to which was attached my informal memorandum
of July 20 addressed to you and Commander Vickery; and my memo-

randum of December 30 to the Commission. The aforementioned
memoranda are on the subject of plans for a national emergency.

There follows a resume' of the general situation in respect
to planning for a national emergency and indicating the progress

which has been made:

1. Requisition Procedure
Under cover of memorandum of February 10, 1939, there was

submitted to the Legal Division for approval a draft of an
administrative order comprising a method of procedure to be followed in requisitioning vessels for the Navy Department under the
authority contained in section 902 of the Merchant Marine Act,
1936, as amended. The order in question, together with forms and
attachments, has been drawn up in conjunction with the various
interested divisions of the Maritime Commission and with the
designated representatives of the Navy Department. It has been
submitted for consideration and recommendations to committees
representative of the various branches of the shipping industry on
the East and West Coasts, and these committees have indicated by

letter that the principles of the method of procedure outlined are
reasonable and satisfactory to them. The order and forms have also
been considered and discussed in a conference held in New York at
which were present representatives of the Third Naval District and
the District Manager of the Maritime Commission.

In view of the doubts expressed by the Legal Division as to
whether the Commission now possesses authority to do all the things
contemplated by the procedure in question, and in accordance with
their suggestion the plan has not been formally submitted to the
Commission pending action by the Congress on amendments to section 902,
incorporated in H. R. 4983. However, a comprehensive method of
procedure is prepared and ready for issuance, complete with the

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exception of the charter party forms, and in the event of a national
emergency it is my opinion it could be used pending enactment of
emergency legislation. The old war time charter party forms and a
new draft submitted by a committee from the industry are being

revised and re-drafted by a committee composed of various interested
divisions of the Commission and should be completed within a reasonable time.

The aforementioned proposed amendments to H. R. 4983 are designed

to accomplish several important objectives: First, to broaden the

Commission's emergency powers and promote their execution; second,

to simplify and clarify the procedure for determining and paying
just compensation; third, to accord fair treatment to the private
citizens whose property may be taken for public use.

Dealing with the provisions of this bill which make it lawful
for the Maritime Commission to requisition vessels whenever the
President shall proclaim that the security of the national defense
makes it advisable, a review of international affairs clearly shows
that wars nowadays have been and can be started without preliminaries,

warnings, or the formality of declaration. Accordingly it seems
essential to the defense of the nation, when in the judgment of the

President war is iminent, that steps can be taken to meet the danger
in advance of a proclamation of national emergency or the actual
commencement of hostilities. At such a juncture time is of the essence
and the Navy and War Departments should be in position to obtain
promptly and without negotiation at the time they are required, vessels
to serve as auxiliaries and support our combatant forces, both afloat
and ashore. In time of war merchant shipping is one of the most
essential elements of combat.

I am of the opinion that this bill is of great importance to the
national defense program and that it should without fail be enacted
into law during this session of Congress.
2. War Risk Insurance
As a result of discussions with the American underwriters and
from studies in connection with the plans for a national emergency it
has become increasingly evident that adequate facilities to meet war
time requirements for marine insurance should be provided in advance
of an emergency and that there is a present need for authority in the
Government to provide insurance against war risk because of the recurring threats of war and the possibility of a sudden breakdown of
the world insurance market. In consideration of all the facts and
circumstances the Commission decided to recommend to the Congress the
passage of necessary legislation to provide Government marine war risk
insurance.

Accordingly, there has been submitted to the Bureau of the Budget

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E. S. Land, Chairman, - 3 - - 5-15-39
a proposed letter to Congress submitting recommendations of the
Maritime Commission for legislation to provide Government marine war

risk insurance and draft of a proposed bill to carry out such

recommendations. When this matter has been approved by the Bureau

of the Budget it is understood that it will be promptly submitted to
the Congress. I am of the opinion that it is of vital importance that
this legislation should be enacted as promptly as possible, and
certainly during this session of Congress.
3. Ship Yards and Ship Repair Yards

For well over a year comprehensive survey of all existing ship

yards on the East Coast, West Coast. and Gulf has been under way. Data
has been gathered showing the present capacity of these yards, their
potential capacity under emergency conditions, together with concomitant

detailed information in respect to labor, power, housing facilities, etc.

Plans showing general layout, area, and location of shops have been or
are being obtained and will be kept up to date. This study also includes
survey and similar information on old ship yards to the end that prompt
decision, dependent upon the circumstances can be made as to whether or

not it would be practical to rehabilitate and put such yards in operation
in the event of a war emergency. There is also under way survey of all
ship repair yards so that comprehensive information on the same will be
immediately available in the event of an emergency.
While these studies have not as yet been completed they are being

handled by men especially assigned to this task and there is available at
the present time sufficient data and information to enable determination
to be made in respect to their use or rehabilitation in the event it became necessary to do so on short notice.

4. Data on Existing Tonnage
There is on record with the Maritime Commission the general

particulars of all American and foreign flag vessels of over 1,000 gross
tons. This record does not incorporate in every instance all details
such as booms, heaviest lifts, and size of hatches. However, at the
present time there is in the Navy Department a record on all American
flag vessels of over 1,000 gross tons showing in great detail the
characteristics of these vessels. This data has been compiled as a
result of surveys made by the Joint Merchant Vessel Board.

5. Concentration and Coordination of Data

In connection with the acquisition and compilation of the aforementioned and related data on vessels, ship yards, and repair yards, it
is considered important and desirable that a complete record should be
concentrated and kept avai lable in one place. Accordingly the Commission has and is obtaining from the Navy Department and other sources such

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data and information, and through mutual cooperation coordinating the
acquisition and keeping up to date of complete records.

6. Laid-up Fleet
In 1935 a complete physical survey was made of all vessels in
the reserve fleets owned by the Government and then under the control of
the former Shipping Board Bureau of the Department of Commerce. This
survey was accomplished by a joint committee composed of representatives
of the U.S. Navy, American Bureau of Shipping, and the former Shipping
Board Bureau of the Department of Commerce. As a result of this survey
a determination was reached on each vessel as to whether the ship posses-

sed sufficient or insufficient value for commercial or military operation
to warrant its further preservation. Based on the findings of the survey
in question all the vessels in the reserve fleets were classified into
three groups as follows:

Class 1 - A first reserve for restricted operation, charter or sale

Class II - A second reserve for national emergency
Class III - Vessels suitable only for scrapping

The survey committee referred to above was kept in being, and in
1937 by direction of the Maritime Commission there was a further survey
and dry docking program during which doubtful vessels were dry docked for
under water survey. At the present time there is a complete up to date
record of the 119 odd vessels now in the Commission's laid up fleets comprising not only the general particulars of the vessels in question showing tonnage, dimensions, decks, booms, winches, heaviest lifts, draft,
cargo capacity, boilers, engines, fuel capacity, fuel consumption. steaming radius, speed, etc., but also condition surveys, estimated costs of
repairs, and approximate time required to accomplish the same under normal

conditions. The vessels in layup are being maintained in a sufficient
state of preservation to insure their value for use in national emergencies
7. Sales Policy on Obsolete Vessels in Reserve Fleets

After the completion of a sales program during which all vessels in

Class III were disposed of, the Commission in November, 1937, as a

stimulus to new ship construction announced as a matter of policy that it
would make no further sales of surplus vessels in its laid-up fleet of
World War origin and that these vessels would be held in reserve indefinitely for possible use in the event of a commercial or military emergency.

This announcement also stated that any vessels in the reserve fleets which
might be subsequently found to have insufficient military or commercial
value to warrant their further preservation would be sold for scrapping,

or for any other use that will take them out of operation.

The Commission further announced that taking these old and idle

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E. S. Land, Chairman, - 5 - - 5-15-39
vessels off the market would remove one serious obstacle to the building of
modern,
fast
vessels
by private
shipmerchant
operators,
which are imperatively
needed for
the
rehabilitation
of the
marine.
8. Emergency Ship Construction

One of the principal functions of the Maritime Commission for
national defense is providing for a merchant marine capable of serving
as a naval and military auxilliary in time of war or national emergency.
This involves not only planning in peace time for the development of a
merchant marine which will insure speedy adaptation to national defense
requirements during war time, but also arranging for such emergency ship
construction as may be essential to carry out a war program.
After conferences with representatives of the Navy Department it
has been ascertained that in the event of an emergency involving a major
effort naval needs will require the construction of 225 new cargo vessels
of the latest C-1, C-2, C-3 Design and tankers, and that the Navy program

is predicated on the delivery of these vessels within a period of three
years, the first vessel to be delivered in eighteen months after the dommencement of construction in a ship yard. This program is subject to
modification dependent upon conditions existing at the time and possibly
upon the amount of suitable tonnage which has been constructed for Commission or private account before an emergency occurs.

Conferences with officials of the Navy Department reveal it will
be necessary in the event war is declared for the Navy to make use of all
shipyard facilities and take over all ways in existing ship yards to meet
the immediate requirements for naval work. Accordingly it will be necessary for the Maritime Commission to arrange for additional shipbuilding facilities to carry out the aforementioned emergency construction
program.
In planning for such an emergency program we have reviewed and

accepted certain studies and estimates made by the Navy Department in
respect to the most economical and satisfactory method, whereby taking

into consideration the required building and delivery periods the greatest

number of vessels can be constructed with the least number of ways.
These studies indicate that the greatest number of ships which can be
constructed with the least number of ways can be accomplished in yards

which have seven ways or multiples thereof. Accordingly it is believed
that an emergency construction program calling for 200 odd vessels is
possible of accomplishment within the time limit by the establishment
of two properly located ship yards, each comprising 42 ship ways.

In this connection it should be stated that this plan is predicated
upon the assumption that all the vessels to be constructed will follow
the Maritime Commission standard design merchant vessel for the various

types required, and will be built in so far as practicable under the socalled "assembly method", 1. e., to as great a per cent as possible

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E. S. Land, Chairman, - 6 - - 5-15-39

the material going into the construction of the vessels will be fabricated at some inland point and transported to the yard for assembly.
Taking under advisement strategic sites for the establishment

of the two yards in question, it is believed that the following principal
factors should be taken into consideration:

1 - Approximate amount of land that will be required and its

availability;

2 - Proximity to material required for construction;
3 - Availability of necessary labor;
4 - Source, nature, availability, and proximity of power;

5 - Depth of water available and amount of dredging which
will be required;

6 - Transportation facilities available for transporting

supplies, equipment, and material - railroad, water,

and highway;

7 - Housing facilities for labor;

8 - Climatic conditions which would effect the progress
of the work;

9 - Location of site selected with regard to: (a) theatre of
war; (b) protection from attack by air or water; (c)
sanitation.

In advance of inspection and upon very general consideration of
the above-mentioned factors based upon such information as is immediately

available, it is believed that one of the ship yards in question should
be located in the Gulf of Mexico, either in the proximity of Mobile,
Alabama or the Gulf Coast of Mississippi; the most desirable location for
the other would appear to be on the East Coast on Delaware or Chesapeake
Bay.

9. Productio: Schedule
The Maritime Commission's program for rehabilitation of the
American Merchant Marine, of which at the present time 85% of the ships
will be obsolete by 1942, is well under way. This program contemplates
new construction on a ten-year schedule during which time it is planned
to build a minimum of 500 new vessels, and provision for a systematic and
orderly replacement of the old vessels now in operation. The present

record of this program includes 66 ships of various types, several of
which have already been launched. Four of a series of 12 high speed
tankers have also been launched. These vessels were ordered by the

Standard Oil Company of New Jersey and the national defense features which

have been built into these vessels have been paid for by the U. S.
Maritime Commission. It is almost certain that more high speed tankers

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E. S. Land, Chairman, - 7 - - 5-15-39
will be under construction for private companies on the same general
basis of agreement.

In accordance with provisions of the Merchant Marine Act, 1936,
as amended, the plans and specifications of all vessels built under
the provisions of this Act are submitted to the Navy Department
for examination. approval, and suggestion for such changes as may be
deemed necessary or proper in order that such vessels shall be suitable for economical and speedy conversion into naval or military

auxiliaries, or otherwise suitable for use of the United States

Government in time of war or national emergency.
The Commission in the course of its own construction program has

and will continue to obtain requisite data on tonnage suitable for

use during a national war emergency which is now under construction

or will be constructed in this country.

10. Trade-in Provisions as incorporated in H. R. 5130 (new
Section 510) now under consideration by the Congress

In March 1939 the Commission recommended to Congress a series of
amendments to the shipping laws. which were designed to perfect the
Merchant Marine Act, 1936. The principal recommendation involves a

plan to stimulate ship construction, particularly in the coastwise and
intercoastal services. This proposal was described in detail in the
Commission's Report to Congress on Domestic Shipping and in Chairman
Emory S. Land's statement covering that study.

Briefly, the plan requests Congress to authorize the Commission
to acquire obsolete vessels not less than 17 years old which have been

owned by citizens of the United States for at least three years prior to
the date of such acquisition, in exchange for a credit on the purchase
of a new vessel from the Commission or on a new vessel constructed in a
domestic ship yard and documented under the laws of the United States.

In order to provide against the menace of continued operation of
the older vessels in competition with vastly more expensive new ships

this legislation provides a measure of sterilization of older vessels

preserved for national defense. The prudent shipowner when contemplating new construction must look ahead not only into the immediate future
but also must weigh possible eventualities which may occur during the

entire economic life of the new vessel. In this connection to the

extent that competition is probable or possible from written-down
vessels which may be released by the Government, new construction is
retarded. Accordingly as indicated above the Commission's recommendations

for new legislation incorporate provisions prohibiting the return to

commercial operation of vessels acquired under the "trade-in" provisions
or of vessels now in the Commission's laid-up fleet after any such

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E. S. Land, Chairman, - 8 - - 5-15-39
vessel becomes twenty years old, except during a period in which the
vessels may be requisitioned for national defense, or except as
otherwise provided for in the Merchant Marine Act for the employment of the Commission's vessels in steamship lines on trade routes
exclusively serving the foreign trade of the United States.

The advantages and effect of legislation along the lines heretofore outlined from a national defense standpoint would in my opinion
be as follows:
(a) - It would insure the private owners in the domestic and those
operating with or without benefit of government aid in the foreign
trade, a fair and reasonable credit under normal conditions for old
tonnage turned in to the Government on account of new vessels and
encourage owners to plan for and effect the replacement of older

vessels with new more efficient units, suitable for use as naval
auxiliaries in the event of a national emergency;

(b) - It would permit the Maritime Commission to hold in reserve
all old and obsolete vessels owned or acquired, possessing sufficient
commercial and military value to warrant their further preservation,
thereby insuring an additional and much needed supply of merchant
tonnage suitable for use in the event of a war emergency. The cost of
maintaining these vessels in a reasonable state of preservation would
be a very small premium to pay for such a valuable form of national

insurance, particularly when consideration is given to the effort, cost.

and time element which would be involved in the construction of new
vessels during a national emergency;

(c) - All vessels owned or acquired by the Commission determined

to be of insufficient value for commercial or military operation to
warrant their further preservation could be held afloat as a reserve

for scrap or sold for scrapping, dependent upon governing conditions;

(d) - It will permit the Commission to continue the wise policy
of considering applications covering the disposition of American flag
vessels to foreign interests upon their individual merit in the
light of the need in this country of such tonnage for peace-time or
war-time purposes, without working a hardship on private owners who

wish to dispose of their surplus or obsolete tonnage to best
advantage and use the credits obtained for the construction of new ships.
11. Merchant Marine Personnel

In the event of a national emergency a large number of privatelyowned vessels will be required for war-time purposes by the Navy and War
Departments. The Maritime Commission will also control and operate other
vessels engaged in the transportation of strategic and critical materials

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and essential water-borne commerce of the United States. At the start of
an emergency many of the vessels requisitioned and assigned to the Navy
and War Departments will of necessity have to be operated under Time
Charter form with civilian crews until they can be transferred to Bare
Boat Charter with naval personnel. In all probability the remaining vessels in commercial operation will be manned by civilians. Under the
circumstances the importance of obtaining loyal, trained, and efficient
crews and exercising adequate personnel control is self-evident, particularly during the critical period between the proclamation of a national
emergency and the enactment of any emergency legislation considered necessary to accomplish these purposes.

The Commission's system for training citizens of the United
States to serve as licensed and unlicensed personnel on merchant ves-

sels and plans for a future procedure are incorporated in its report

to Congress dated January 1, 1939. While at present the Commission is

not attempting to train new unlicensed personnel it is anticipated that
the U. S. Maritime Service will eventually train a reasonable number of
competent young Americans without previous sea experience. I am of the
opinion that this should be done as soon as possible.

The present situation in the merchant marine as regards unlicensed personnel is unsatisfactory and it is confidently anticipated
that the training system which has been inaugurated will contribute

towards its stabilization.

Contacts with representatives of the Navy and War Departments

have clearly demonstrated the concern with which officials of these De-

partments view matters affecting the loyalty, discipline, training, and
proper control of maritime personnel because of their importance in the
national defense program. The stablization of merchant marine personnel
is considered a most material factor of this program.

The personnel situation in regard to licensed officers as
distinguished from unlicensed personnel is more satisfactory and our experience in 1917 and 1918, when the Navy took over a large number of

merchant marine vessels, showed us that in practically every instance
the ships officers were willing and anxious to come into the naval
service in the positions they held. Even though they were at that time
unfamiliar with naval procedure satisfactory results were obtained.

By statutory provisions all the deck and engineer officers employed on vessels on which an operating-differential subsidy is paid or
which are employed on the Commission's vessels shall if eligible be
members of the United States Naval Reserve.

In view of the fact, as heretofore stated, that at the start of
an emergency a great many merchant marine vessels will have to be taken
over on a Time Charter basis and operated for naval or commercial account

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with civilian crews, there has been considerable discussion and speculation
as to whether or not the vessels can be manned with loyal, trained, and

efficient crews. In this respect, I am of the opinion that whereas there

undoubtedly exists a radical and undesirable element among the unlicensed
personnel of our merchant vessels whose loyalty could not be absolutely
counted upon in the event of a national emergency, that this element is

very much in the minority and that generally speaking the rank and file
are loyal, capable American citizens who can be relied upon to serve their
country during a war. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that in an
emergency with the assistance of the operators and officers of our vessels
undesirables can be weeded out and the ships safely operated in whatever
service they may be required.

It is contemplated in so far as vessels operated for Navy or

War Department account that whenever possible vessels will be taken over
on a Bare Boat basis and commissioned as full naval units, as was the
case in 1917. and ultimately all vessels operated for Navy or War Department account will be transferred to a Bare Boat basis with naval
crews.

12. Key Men whose Services will be required during a National
Emergency

In view of the fact that the Maritime Commission and some of the
emergency establishments which will be created under plans for industrial
mobilization will require during a national emergency the services of
certain key men in the shipping industry, as well as a considerable number

of subordinate officials in order to carry out war time functions, it is
considered desirable in the general interest of national defense that
individuals from the shipping industry should be available for selection
for positions in all such agencies for which their experience and qualifications make them best suited.
Furthermore, the Navy Department in preparing for the expansion

of naval facilities entailed in the event of war or national emergency
considers it desirable that individuals familiar with the shipping industry be available at that time to augment the personnel of the regular
navy. In order to be assured of the services of the individuals desired
it is considered necessary that they should be commissioned in the Naval
Reserve.

In consideration of the above-mentioned emergency personnel re-

quirements it is recognized that it would not be prudent by requiring
the services of certain individuals for purely naval use, to disturb the
proper operation of the shipping industry as it is of the greatest importance that the efficiency of existing shipping companies whose services
will be required for the operation of the merchant vessels not under the
control of the Navy or War Departments will not be impaired by the with-

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drawal of experienced personnel necessary to carry on such operation.
Accordingly an agreement has been reached between the Navy Department

and the Maritime Commission, whereby before any such individual heretofore mentioned is appointed in the Naval Reserve a designated representative
of the Navy Department and the Commission will confer concerning the ad-

visability of appointment in the Naval Reserve of the individuals in
question and jointly determine that the services of applicants will be
available to the Navy in the event of an emergency without disruption of
other essential maritime functions. In this connection the Bureau of
Navigation has designated the Director of Naval Reserves, Captain Felix
Gygax, USN., as its representative to effect such determination and the

Maritime Commission has likewise designated Huntington T. Morse, Assistant

to the Chairman, as its representative.
13. Emergency Legislation

In planning for an emergency consideration must be given to

the establishment and definition of the extent and scope of authorities
under which emergency plans and control will be carried out and exercised.

Accordingly it is important that drafts of bills which can be presented
to Congress upon proclamation of an emergency, or when one is iminent,
be prepared and ready for presentation. Such drafts cannot in advance

of the fact do other than cover broad principles and provide for con-

tingencies which can be foreseen with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

Details can be filled in at the time required.

In this connection the Navy and the War Department have already

prepared drafts of enabling legislation which will be necessary in order
to carry out their war time plans. The Maritime Commission is also engaged in the preparation of such additional legislation considered necessary by the Legal Division in order to obtain authority to carry out
its war time functions.
In working out and coordinating the emergency plans of the Commission with those of the War and Navy Departments it has become evident
that there has been some duplication in the preparation of advance emer-

gency legislation. In order to correct this situation, provide against
overlapping authorities, expedite passage and insure that necessary

authority will be correctly located, the legislative programs of the

War, Navy, and Maritime Commission are in the process of being coordinated.

14. Shipping Controls
The necessities for shipping control and the nature and scope of
this problem have been outlined and briefly discussed in the previous
memoranda under reference. As stated therein the importance of having
centralized control of shipping in order to unify shipping resources of

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the country and insure the most efficient use and operation of available
ocean transportation facilities was clearly demonstrated during the World
War and it is essential that there be set up in advance an adequate and
practicable system to accomplish such control during a national emergency.

This problem is one of the first magnitude and involves questions
of national policy requiring intensive study and careful consideration and
should be worked out in conjunction with all the government agencies which

are or will be concerned. It can be divided into two parts as follows:

(a) Control during the. critical transitory period between the pro-

clamation of the national emergency and the enactment of legislation
necessary to set in motion the machinery to carry out the national
defense program for industrial mobilization and control;

(b) Control of shipping after the enactment of enabling emergency
legislation.

Dealing with (a), it is contemplated that through the authority con-

tained in the Merchant Marine Act, 1936, as amended, and H. R. 4983 now
under consideration by the Congress, a measure of control over shipping

can be attained at the start of an emergency by the blanket requisitioning of all American flag vessels over certain tonnage, say, 2500 deadweight tons. This can be accomplished by the requisition procedure which
has already been prepared and by subsequent agreement providing that

vessels so requisitioned, except in so far as they are actually required
for direct operation in Government service, remain in the hands of their
owners to be managed and operated for Government account subject at all

times to such disposition as the United States may direct. Under this

agreement owners whose vessels are operating in regular established

services could be permitted to continue their operation for account of the
Government until they receive furthe instructions. Furthermore, as
vessels are requisitioned and taken out of commercial service for
naval or military use it will undoubtedly become necessary, as was the
case in the World War, to rearrange services, shift vessels, to other
trade routes, and effect some control over rates, all of which would not
be practicably possible unless the ships were operated for government

account and subject at all times to the disposition and direction of the
United States.

This entire matter has been discussed very thoroughly with the committees from the shipping industry on the East Coast, Gulf, and West Coast,
who concur with the necessity for immediate action along these lines at
the start of a war emergency.

Dealing with (b). control of shipping during a war emergency in
order to be effective should be centralized in a small independent committee, possibly one individual, with full authority over all tonnage owned,
acquired, or coming under the control of the United States, subject to

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the dictates of national policy promulgated by the individual or establishment to whom or to which Presidential authority has been delegated. and
guided by the policies laid down by the various emergency establishments

to be set up under an Industrial Mobilization Plan as they apply to ocean
transportation. Problems and questions arising in connection with routing will, of course, have to be worked out in conjunction with the Navy

Department which is charged with protection of trade routes and merchant
shipping in general.

The fundamental functions of such a Control Committee would be: (a)

To unify all shipping resources of the nation and make existing shipping
as liquid as possible; (b) To control, allocate, and operate all ships
under its jurisdiction so as to use the available tonnage to the maximum
efficiency in the most essential trades in such a way most advantageous
from the standpoint of war use.
During the period of transition between the time of proclamation of
a national emergency and the passage of emergency legislation the shipping control committee, which should be set up as soon as an emergency ap-

pears iminent, will have the important duty of exercising existing
authority to insure efficient and economic use of available merchant
shipping.

During a war emergency one of the functions of the Commission will

be to exercise control over charters, charter rates, and ocean freight
rates. It is believed that this can best be accomplished by the formation in the Commission of a committee authorized to approve all charter
parties and regulate basic charter rates and berth rates. The principal
objectives to be attained through such a control would be to prevent the
unconscionable high rates which are likely to prevail at the commencement and during a national emergency. This control would be exercised

not only over American flag tonnage but also neutral tonnage engaged in
the American trade and coming under the jurisdiction of the United States.
It will be necessary to enact emergency legislation to accomplish com-

plete control over rates as this authority at present does not exist

under the law. This committee should be separate and distinct from the
shipping control committee.
As heretofore indicated, planning for an adequate and comprehensive
system of shipping control in advance of an emergency is complicated by
many important considerations and unpredictable conditions which may

exist at the time the emergency occurs and influence the situation. It

is obvious under the circumstances that such plans or method of procedure
drawn up in advance, which are intended to be operative under leaders and

conditions of the future, must necessarily be elastic in their provisions.

However, it is at the same time important that an attempt be made to fore-

see the essential parts of a general plan of control so that responsibilities and authorities may be definitely established and the relationships
with other agencies in regard thereto may be clearly defined. Fundamental

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policies and principles can and should be established in advance to serve
as a guide and facilitate the organizing and functioning of control
machinery upon the outbreak of war. Careful and intensive study is being

given to this problem and conferences with the various government agencies
interested and concerned are being held with regard thereto.
Plans for shipping control extending beyond the general synchronism
of government requirements and resources to be effected by a controlling
emergency establishment, such as the former War Industries Board, tie in
and are concomitant with plans for control of war trade such as exercised
by the former War Trade Board through acquisition of shipping bunker

control, import restrictions, and priority control over export shipments.

It is obvious that comprehensive control of war trade involves functions
and activities requiring cooperation between existing government agencies
and the emergency establishments to be set up during the war and may

affect materially the strategic plans of the War and Navy Departments.

Counterparts of the War Industries Board and the War Trade Board
established during the World War are found in the Resources Administration

and War Trade Administration provided for in the Industrial Mobilization

Plan of 1936.

This plan is at present being revised and in the process the emergency
plans of the Maritime Commission will be coordinated with those set forth
in the new Industrial Mobilization Plan.
While a considerable amount of study and work has been done in
connection with drafting plans for a comprehensive system of shipping
control these are in consideration of the above-mentioned circumstances

necessarily tentative and still in a formative state. Accordingly there

are not submitted at this time other than the broad general ideas heretofore outlined as the features in respect to authorities, functions, and
activities must be worked out in conjunction and coordinated with the
plans of the other government agencies concerned.

(Signed) Huntington T. Morse
Assistant to the Chairman

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confirented
May 15, 1939.

E. S. Land, Chairman.

Huntington T. Morse. Assistant to Chairman.
Emergency Plans.

Reference is made to my memorandum of April 7. 1938 to the Commission:
memorandum of July 26 from Commander H. L. Vickery to the Commission to which
was attached my informal memorandum of July 20 addressed to you and Commander Vickery; and my memorandum of December 30 to the Commission. The

aforementioned memoranda are on the subject of plans for a national emergency.

There follows a resume' of the general situation in respect to planning

for a national emergency and indicating the progress which has been made:

1. Requisition Procedure
Under cover of memorandum of February 10, 1939 there was submitted

to the Legal Division for approval a draft of an administrative order comprising a method of procedure to be followed in requisitioning vessels for
the Navy Department under the authority contained in section 902 of the

Merchant Marine Act, 1936, as amended. The order in question. together with
forms and attachments. has been drawn up in conjunction with the various
interested divisions of the Maritime Commission and with the designated
representatives of the Navy Department. It has been submitted for consideration and recommendations to committees representative of the various branches
of the shipping industry on the East and West Coasts. and these committees

have indicated by letter that the principles of the method of procedure outlined are reasonable and satisfactory to them. The order and forms have

also been considered and discussed in a conference held in New York at which

were present representatives of the Third Naval District and the District

Manager of the Maritime Commission.

In view of the doubts expressed by the Legal Division as to whether
the Commission now possesses authority to do all the things contemplated by
the procedure in question. and in accordance with their suggestion the plan

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has not been formally submitted to the Commission pending action by the
Congress on amendments to section 902, incorporated in H.R.4983. How
ever, a comprehensive method of procedure is prepared and ready for
issuance, complete with the exception of the charter party forms. and

in the event of a national emergency it is my opinion it could be used
pending enactment of emergency legislation. The old war time charter
party forms and a new draft submitted by a committee from the industry
are being revised and re-drafted by a committee composed of various
interested divisions of the Commission and should be completed within
a reasonable time.

The aforementioned proposed amendments to H.R.4983 are designed

to accomplich several important objectives: First, to broaden the Commission's emergency powers and promote their executium: second, to simplify
and clarify the procedure for determining and paying just compensation:

third. to accord fair treatment to the private citizens whose property
say be taken for public use.

Dealing with the provisions of this bill which make it lawful for
the Maritime Commission to requisition vessels whenever the President shall

proclaim that the security of the national defense makes it advisable. a
review of international affairs clearly shows that wars nowadays have been
and can be started without preliminaries. warnings. or the formality of
declaration. Accordingly it seems essential to the defense of the nation,
then in the judgment of the President war is imminent. that steps can be
taken to meet the danger in advance of a proclamation of national emergency

or the actual commencement of hostilities. At such a juncture time is of

the essence and the Navy and Var Departments should be in position to ob-

tain promptly and without negotiation at the time they are required. vessels to serve as auxiliaries and support our combatant forces, both afloat
and ashore. In time of war merchant shipping is one of the most essential
elements of combat.

I - of the opinion that this bill is of great importance to the
national defense program and that it should without fail be enacted into
law during this session of Congress.
3.

War Risk Insurance

As a result of discussions with the American underwriters and from
studies in connection with the plans for a national emergency it has become
increasingly evident that adequate facilities to meet war time requirements
for marine insurance should be provided in advance of an emergency and that
there is a present need for authority in the Government to provide insurance
against war risk because of the recurring threats of war and the possibility
of a sudden breakdown of the world insurance market. In consideration of
all the facts and circumstances the Commission decided to recommend to the
Congress the passage of necessary legislation to provide Government marine
war risk insurance.

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Accordingly there has been submitted to the Bureau of the Budget
a proposed letter to Congress submitting recommendations of the Maritime
Commission for legislation to provide Government marine war risk insurance
and draft of a proposed bill to carry out such recommendations. When this
matter has been approved by the Bureau of the Budget 18 is understood that

it will be promptly submitted to the Congress. I an of the opinion that
it is of vital importance that this legislation should be enacted as
promptly as possible, and certainly during this session of Congress.
3.

Ship Yards and Ship Repair Yards.

For well over a year comprehensive survey of all existing ship
yards on the East Coast, West Coast, and Gulf has been under way. Data
has been gathered showing the present capacity of these yards. their
potential capacity under emergency conditions, together with concomitant

detailed information in respect to labor, power. housing facilities. etc.
Plans showing general layout, area, and location of shope have been or are

being obtained and will be kept up to date. This study also includes
survey and similar information on old ship yards to the and that prompt

decision. dependent upon the circumstances can be made as to whether or

not it would be practical to rehabilitate and put such yards in operation
in the event of a war emergency. There is also under way survey of all
ship repair yards so that comprehensive information on the same will be
immediately available in the event of an emergency.

While these studies have not as yet been completed they are being
handled by men especially assigned to this task and there is available at
the present time sufficient data and information to enable determination

to be made in respect to their use or rehabilitation in the event it became necessary to do so on short notice.
4.

Data on Existing Tonnage

There is on record with the Maritime Commission the general

particulars of all American and foreign flag vessels of over 1,000 gross
tons. This record does not incorporate in every instance all details such
as booms. heaviest lifts, and sise of hatches. However, at the present
time there is in the Navy Department a record on all American flag vessels
of over 1,000 gross tons showing in great detail the characteristics of
these vessels. This data has been compiled as a result of surveys made by
the Joint Merchant Vessel Board.
5.

Concentration and Coordination of Data.

In connection with the acquisition and compilation of the aforementioned and related data on vessels, ship yards, and repair yards, it is
considered important and desirable that a complete record should be concentrated and kept available in one place. Accordingly the Commission has
and is obtaining from the Navy Department and other sources such data and
information. and through mutual cooperation coordinating the acquisition
and keeping up to date of complete records.

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6. Laid-up Fleet
In 1935 a complete physical survey was made of all vessels in
the reserve fleets owned by the Government and then under the control of
the former Shipping Board Bureau of the Department of Commerce. This
survey was accomplished by a joint committee composed of representatives
of the U.S.Navy, American Bureau of Shipping. and the former Shipping
Board Bureau of the Department of Commerce. As a result of this survey
a determination was reached on each vessel as to whether the ship pomesed

sufficient OF insufficient value for commercial or military operation to
warrant its further preservation. Based on the findings of the survey in
question all the vessels in the reserve fleets were classified into three

groups as follows:

Class I - A first reserve for restricted operation. charter, or sale
Class II - A second reserve for national emergency

Class III - Vessels suitable only for scrapping

The survey committee referred to above was kept in being, and in
1937 by direction of the Maritime Commission there was a further survey
and dry docking program during which doubtful vessels were dry docked for

under water survey. At the present time there is a complete up to date
record of the 119 odd vessels now in the Commission's laid-up fleets comprising not only the general particulars of the vessels in question showing
tomage, dimensions. decks. booms, winches, heaviest lifts, draft, cargo
capacity, boilers, enginee. fuel capacity, fuel consumption. steaming
radius, speed, etc. but also condition surveys, estimated cost of repairs,

and approximate time required to accomplish the same under normal conditions.

The vessels in layup are being maintained in a sufficient state of preservetion to insure their value for use in national emergencies.
7. Sales Policy on Obsolete Vessels in Reserve Fleets

After the completion of a sales program during which all vessels
in Class III were disposed of, the Commission in November, 1937 as a stimulus
to new ship construction announced as a matter of policy that 18 would make

no further sales of surplus vessels in its laid-up fleet of World Var origin
and that these vessels would be held in reserve indefinitely for possible
use in the event of a commercial or military emergency. This announcement
also stated that any vessels in the reserve fleets which might be subsequently found to have insufficient military or commercial value to warrant

their further preservation would be sold for scrapping, or for any other use
that will take them out of operation.

The Commission further announced that taking these old and idle vessels off the market would remove one serious obstacle to the building of
modern. fast vessels by private ship operators, which are imperatively
needed for the rehabilitation of the merchant marine.

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8.

Emergency Ship Construction

One of the principal functions of the Maritime Commission for
national defense is providing for a merchant marine capable of serving
a naval and military auxiliary in time of war or national emergency. This
involves not only planning in peace time for the development of a merchant
marine which will insure speedy adaptation to national defense requirements
during war time. but also arranging for such emergency ship construction
as may be essential to carry out a war program.
as

After conferences with representatives of the Navy Department it
has been ascertained that in the event of an emergency involving a major
effort naval needs will require the construction of 225 new cargo vessels
of the latest C-1, C-2, C-3 Design and tankers. and that the Navy program
is predicated on the delivery of these vessels within a period of three
years, the first vessel to be delivered in eighteen months after the commencement of construction in a ship yard. This program is subject to
modification dependent upon conditions existing at the time and possibly

upon the amount of suitable tonnage which has been constructed for Commission or private account before an emergency occurs.

Conferences with officials of the Navy Department reveal it will
be necessary in the event war is declared for the Navy to make use of all
shipyard facilities and take over all ways in existing ship yards to meet
the immediate requirements for naval work. Accordingly it will be necessary for the Maritime Commission to arrange for additional shipbuilding
facilities to carry out the aforementioned emergency construction program.
In planning for such an emergency program we have reviewed and
accepted certain studies and estimates made by the Navy Department in
respect to the most economical and satisfactory method. whereby taking

into consideration the required building and delivery periods the greatest

number of vessels can be constructed with the least number of ways. These
studies indicate that the greatest number of ships which can be constructed
with the least number of ways can be accomplished in yards which have seven

ways or multiples thereof. Accordingly it is believed that an emergency
construction program calling for 200 odd vessels is possible of accomplishment within the time limit by the establishment of two properly located
ship yards, each comprising 42 ship ways.

In this connection it should be stated that this plan is predicated
upon the assumption that all the vessels to be constructed will follow the

Maritime Commission standard design merchant vessel for the various types

required. and will be built in so far as practicable under the so-called

"assembly method", i.e., to as great a per cent as possible the material
going into the construction of the vessels will be fabricated at some inland point and transported to the yard for assembly.

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Taking under advisement strategic sites for the establishment

of the two yards in question, is is believed that the following principal
factors should be taken into consideration:
1 - Approximate amount of land that will be required and its avail-

ability;

2 - Proxisity to material required for construction:
3 - Availability of necessary labor:
4 - Source, nature, availability, and proximity of power:
5 - Depth of water available and mount of dredging which will
be required:

6 - Transportation facilities available for transporting supplies.
equipment, and material - railroad. water, and highway:

7 Housing facilities for labor:

8 Climatic conditions which would affect the progress of the work;
9 - Location of site selected with regard to: (a) theatre of wart
(b) protection from attack by air or water: (c) senitation.
In advance of inspection and upon very general consideration of
the above-mentioned factors based upon such information as is immediately

available, it is believed that one of the ship yards in question should
be located in the Gulf of Mexico, either in the proximity of Mobile,
Alabama or the Gulf Coast of Mississippi: the most desirable location for
the other would appear to be on the East Coast on Delaware or Cheespeake
Bay.
9.

Production Schedule.

The Maritime Commission's program for rehabilitation of the
American Merchant Marine. of which at the present time 85% of the ships
will be obsolete by 1943, is will under way. This program contexplates
new construction on a ten-year schedule during which time it is planned
to build a mistaus of 800 new vessels, and provision for a standing and
orderly replacement of the old vessels now in operation. The present
record of this program includes 66 shipe of various types, several of which
have already been leanched. Four of ameries of 12 high speed tankers have

also been leanched. These vessels were ordered by the Standard 011 Company
of New Jersey and the national defense features which have been built into

these vessels have been paid for by the U.S.Maritime Commission. It is
almost certain that more high speed tankers will be under construction
for private companies on the same general basis of agreement.

In accordance with provisions of the Merchant Marine Act, 1936,
as amended. the plane and specifications of all vessels built under the
provisions of this Act are submitted to the Havy Department for examinetion, approval. and suggestion for such changes as may be deemed necessary
or proper in order that such vessels shall be suitable for economical and

speedy conversion into naval or military anxiliation, or otherwise suitable for use of the United States Government in time of war or national

emergency.

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The Commission in the course of its own construction program

has and will continue to obtain requisite data on tonnage suitable for
use during a national war emergency which is now under construction or

will be constructed in this country.
10.

Trade-in Provisions as incorporated in H.R.5130 (new Section 510)
now under consideration by the Congress.

In March 1939 the Commission recommended to Congress a series of
amendments to the shipping laws which were designed to perfect the Merchant
Marine Act, 1936. The principal recommendation involves a plan to stimulate

ship construction. particularly in the coastwise and intercoastal services.

This proposal was described in detail in the Commission's Report to Congress
on Domestic Shipping and in Chairman Emory S. Land's statement covering
that study.

Briefly. the plan requests Congress to authorize the Commission
to acquire obsolete vessels not less than 17 years old which have been

owned by citizens of the United States for at least three years prior to
the date of such acquisition. in exchange for a credit on the purchase of
a new vessel from the Commission or on a new vessel constructed in a
domestic ship yard and documented under the laws of the United States.

In order to provide against the menace of continued operation of
the older vessels in competition with vastly more expensive new ships

this legislation provides a measure of sterilization of older vessels

preserved for national defense. The prudent shipowner when contemplating
new construction must look ahead not only into the immediate future, but
also must weigh possible eventualities which may occur during the entire

economic life of the new vessel. In this connection to the extent that

competition is probable or possible from written-down vessels which may be
released by the Government, new construction is retarded. Accordingly as
indicated above the Commission's recommendations for new legislation in-

corporate provisions prohibiting the return to commercial operation of
vessels acquired under the "trade-in" provisions or of vessels now in the
Commission's laid-up fleet after any such vessel becomes twenty years old,
except during a period in which the vessels may be requisitioned for
national defense, or except as otherwise provided for in the Merchant
Marine Act for the employment of the Commission's vessels in steamship

lines on trade routes exclusively serving the foreign trade of the United
States.

The advantages and effect of legislation along the lines heretofore outlined from a national defense standpoint would in my opinion be
as follows:
(a) - It would insure the private owners in the domestic and those
operating with or without benefit of government aid in the foreign
trade. a fair and reasonable credit under normal conditions for old

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tonnage turned in to the Government on account of new vessels and
encourage outlers to plan for and effect the replacement of older

vessels with new more efficient units, suitable for use as naval
auxiliaries in the event of a national emergency;

(b) - It would permit the Maritime Commission to hold in reserve
all old and obsolete vessels owned or acquired, possessing sufficient commercial and military value to warrant their further
preservation, thereby insuring an additional and such needed supply
of merchant tonnage suitable for use in the event of a war emergency.
The cost of maintaining these vessels in a reasonable state of
preservation would be a very small premium to pay for such a valuable
form of national insurance. particularly when consideration is given
to the effort, cost, and time element which would be involved in the
construction of new vessels during a national emergency:
(e) - All vessels owned or acquired by the Commission determined

to be of insufficient value for commercial or military operation
to warrant their further preservation could be held afloat as a

reserve for scrap or sold for scrapping, dependent upon governing
conditions:

(d) - It will permit the Commission to continue the wise policy of
considering applications covering the disposition of American flag
vessels to foreign interests upon their individual merit in the
light of the need in this country of such tonnage for peace-time

or war-time purposes, without working a hardship on private owners
who wish to dispose of their surplus or obsolete tomage to best
advantage and use the credits obtained for the construction of new
ships.

11. Merchant Marine Personnel

In the event of a national emergency a large number of privatelyowned vessels will be required for war-time purposes by the Navy and Var
Departments. The Maritime Commission will also control and operate other
vessels engaged in the transportation of strategic and critical materials
and essential water-borne commerce of the United States. At the start of
an emergency many of the vessels requisitioned and assigned to the Navy
and Var Departments will of necessity here to be operated under Time
Charter form with civilian crows until they can be transferred to Bare
Beat Charter with naval personnel. In all probability the remaining vessels in commercial operation will be manned by civilians. Under the
circumstances the importance of obtaining loyal. trained, and efficient
crews and exercising adequate personnel control is self-evident, particularly during the critical period between the proclamation of a national
emergency and the enactment of any emergency legislation considered necessary to accomplish these purposes.

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The Commission's system for training citisens of the United
States to serve as licensed and unlicensed personnel on merchant vessels and plans for a future procedure are incorporated in its report
to Congress dated January 1, 1939. While at present the Commission is
not attempting to train new unlicensed personnel it is anticipated that
the U.S. Maritime Service will eventually train a reasonable number of
competent young Americans without previous sea experience. I am of the
opinion that this should be done as soon as possiBle.
The present situation in the merchant marine as regards unlicensed personnel is unsatisfactory and it is confidently anticipated
that the training system which has been inaugurated will contribute

towards its stabilisation.

Contacts with representatives of the Navy and Var Departments
have clearly demonstrated the concern with which officials of these De-

partments view matters affecting the loyalty, discipline, training, and

proper control of maritime personnel because of their importance in the
national defense program. The stabilisation of merchant marine personnel
is considered a most material factor of this program.

The personnel situation in regard to licensed officers as
distinguished from unlicensed personnel is more satisfactory and our experience in 1917 and 1918. when the Navy took over a large number of
merchant marine vessels, showed us that in practically every instance

the ships' officers were willing and anxious to come into the naval
service in the positions they held. Even though they were at that time
unfamiliar with naval procedure satisfactory results were obtained.
By statutory provision all the deck and engineer officers enployed on vessels on which an operating-differential subsidy is paid or
which are employed on the Commission's vessels shall if eligible be
members of the United States Naval Reserve.

In view of the fact, as heretofore stated, that at the start of
an emergency a great many merchant marine vessels will have to be taken over
on a Time Charter basis and operated for naval or commercial account with

civilian crows, there has been considerable discussion and speculation as
to whether or not the vessels can be manned with loyal. trained, and efficient crews. In this respect, I am of the opinion that whereas there undoubtedly exists a radical and undesirable element among the unlicensed
personnel of our merchant vessels whose loyalty could not be absolutely
counted upon in the event of a national emergency. that this element is
very much in the mimority and that generally speaking the rank and file
are loyal. capable American citizens who can be relied upon to serve their
country during a war. Furthermore. I am of the opinion that in an emergency
with the assistance of the operators and officers of our vessels undesirables
can be weeded out and the ships safely operated in whatever service they
may be required.

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It is contemplated in se far as vessels operated for Navy or

War Department account that whonever possible vessels will be taken over
on a Bare Boat basis and commissioned as full naval units, as was the

case in 1917, and ultimately all vessels operated for Navy or far Department account will be transferred to a Bare Boat basis with naval crews.
13. Key Men whose Services will be required during a National
Emergency.

In view of the fact that the Maritime Commission and some of the
emergency establishments which will be created under plane for industrial
mobilisation will require during a national emergency the services of
certain key men in the shipping industry, as well as a considerable number

of subordinate officials in order to carry out war time functions. it is
considered desirable in the general interest of national defende that
individuals from the shipping industry should be available for selection
for positions in all such agencies for which their experience and qualifications make them best suited.

Furthermore, the Navy Department in preparing for the expension

of naval facilities entailed in the event of war or national emergency
considers it desirable that individuals familiar with the shipping industry be available at that time to augment the personnel of the regular
navy. In order to be assured of the services of the individuals desired
it is considered necessary that they should be commissioned in the Naval

Reserve.

In consideration of the above-mentioned emergency personnel re-

quirements it is recognised that it would not be prudent by requiring
the services of certain individuals for purely naval use, to disturb the
proper operation of the shipping industry as it is of the greatest inportance that the efficiency of existing shipping companies whose services
will be required for the operation of the merchant vessels not under the
control of the Navy or War Departments will not be impaired by the withdrawal of experienced personnel necessary to carry on such operation.

Accordingly an agreement has been reached between the Navy Department and

the Maritime Commission. whereby before any such individual heretofore
mentioned is appointed in the Naval Reserve a designated representative
of the Navy Department and the Commission will confer concerning the ad-

visability of appointment in the Naval Reserve of the individuals in
question and jointly determine that the services of applicants will be
available to the Havy in the event of an emergency without disruption of
other essential maritime functions. In this connection the Bureau of

Navigation has designated the Director of Naval Reserves. Captain Felix
Gygax. USE.. as its representative to effect such determination and the
Maritime Commission has likewise designated Huntington T. Morse, Assistant
to Chairman. as its representative.

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13. Emergency Legislation
In planning for an emergency consideration must be given to

the establishment and definition of the extent and scope of authorities

under which emergency plans and control will be carried out and exercised.

Accordingly it is important that drafts of bills which can be presented

to Congress upon proclamation of an emergency. or when one is inminent,
be prepared and ready for presentation. Such drafts cannot in advance

of the fact do other than cover broad principles and provide for con-

tingencies which can be foreseen with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

Details can be filled in at the time required.

In this connection the Navy and the War Department have already

prepared drafts of enabling legislation which will be necessary in order
to carry out their war time plans. The Maritime Commission is also engaged in the preparation of such additional legislation considered necessary by the Legal Division in order to obtain authority to carry out
its war time functions.

In working out and coordinating the emergency plans of the Commission with those of the War and Navy Departments it has become evident
that there has been some duplication in the preparation of advance emer-

geney legislation. In order to correct this situation. provide against

overlapping authorities. expedite passage, and insure that necessary

authority will be correctly located, the legislative programs of the

Vara Navy. and Maritime Commission are in the process of being coordinated.

14. Shipping Controls
The necessities for shipping control and the nature and scope of
this problem have been outlined and briefly discussed in the previous
aemoranda under reference. As stated therein the importance of having
centralized control of shipping in order to unify shipping resources of
the country and insure the most efficient use and operation of available
ocean transportation facilities was clearly demonstrated during the World
War and it is essential that there be set up in advance an adequate and
practicable system to accomplish such control during a national emergency.
This problem is one of the first magnitude and involves questions
of national policy requiring intensive study and careful consideration and
should be worked out in conjunction with all the government agencies which
are or will be concerned. It can be divided into two parts as follows:

(a) Control during the critical transitory period between the proclamation of the national emergency and the enactment of legislation
necessary to set in motion the machinery to carry out the national
defense program for industrial mobilisation and control;

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(b) Control of shipping after the efactment of enabling emergency

legislation.

Dealing with (a) it is contemplate that through the authority con-

tained in the Merchant Marine Act. 1936. as assended. and 1.4983 now
under consideration by the Congress. a measure of control over shipping

can be attained at the start of an emergency by the blanket requisitioning
of all American flag vessels over certain tomage, say. 2500 deadweight tone.
This can be accomplished by the requisition procedure which has already
been prepared and by subsequent agreement providing that vessels so requi-

sitioned, except in so far as they are actually required for direct opera-

tion in Government service. remain in the hands of their owners to be
managed and operated for Government account subject at all times to such
disposition as the United States may direct. Under this arrangement owners
whose vessels are operating in regular established services could be permitted to continue their operation for account of the government until they
receive further instructions. Furthermore, as vessels are requisitioned

and taken out of commercial service for naval or military use it will w

doubtedly become necessary. as was the case in the Yorld War, to rearrange
services. shift vessels. to other trade roubes. and effect some control over

rates, all of which would not be practicably possible unless the ships were
operated for government account and subject at all times to the disposition
and direction of the United States.
This entire matter has been discussed very thoroughly with the committees from the shipping industry on the East Coast, Gulf. and West Coast.
who concur with the necessity for immediate action along these lines at the
start of a war emergency.

Dealing with (b). control of shipping during a war emergency in order
to be effective should be centralised in a small independent committee,
possibly one individual. with full authority over all tonnage owned, required.
or coming under the control of the United States, subject to the dictates
of national policy promulgated by the individual or establishment to whom
or to which Presidential authority has been delegated. and guided by the
policies laid down by the various emergency establishments to be set up
under an Indiatrial Mobilisation Plan an they apply to ocean transportation. Problems and questions arising in connection with routing will, of
course, have to be worked out in conjunction with the Navy Department which
is charged with protection of trade routes and merchant shipping in general.
The fundamental functions of such a Control Committee would bet (a) To
unify all shipping resources of the nation and make existing shipping as

liquid as possible: (b) To control. allocate, and operate all ships under
its jurisdiction so as to use the available tonnage to the magista efficiency
in the most essential trades in such a way most advantageous from the standpoint of mar use.

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During the period of transition between the time of proclamation of
a national emergency and the passage of emergency legislation theshipping
control committee. which should be set up as soon as an emergency appears

issinent, will have the important duty of exercising existing authority
to insure efficient and economic use of available merchant shipping.

During a war emergency one of the functions of the Commission will

be to exercise control over chartere, charter rates, and ocean freight
rates. It is believed that this can best be accomplished by the forms
tion in the Commission of a committee authorised to approve all charter
parties and regulate basic charter rates and borth rates. The principal
objectives to be attained through such a control would be to prevent the
unconscionable high rates which are likely to prevail at the commencement and during a national emergency. This control would be exercised
not only over American flag tonnage but also neutral tomage engaged in
the American trade and coming under the Jurisdiction of the United States.
It will be necessary to enact emergency legislation to accomplish conplate control over rates as this authority at present does not exist
under the law. This committee should be separate and distinct from the
shipping control committee.

As heretofore indicated. planning for an adequate and comprehensive
system of shipping control in advance of an emergency is complicated by
many important considerations and unpredictable conditions which may

exist at the time the emergency occurs and influence the situation. It

is obvious under the circumstances that such plans or method of procedure
drawn up in advance. which are intended to be operative under leaders and

conditions of the future. must necessarily be elastic in their provisions.

However, 11 is at the same time important that an attempt be made to fore-

see the essential parts of a general plan of control so that responsibilities and authorities may be definitely established and the relationships

with other agencies in regard thereto may be clearly defined. Fundamental
policies and principles can and should be established in advance to serve
as a guide and facilitate the organising and functioning of control
machinery upon the outbreak of war. Careful and intensive study is being
given to this problem and conferences with the various evernment agencies
interested and concerned are being held with regard thereto.
Mane for shipping control extending beyond the general synchronism
of government requirements and resources to be effected by a controlling
emergency establishment. such as the former Var Industries Broad, tie in
and are consomitant with plans for control of war trade such as exercised
by the former War Trade Board through acquisition of shipping bunker

control. import restrictions, and priority control over export shipments.
It is obvious that comprehensive control of war trade involves functions
and activities requiring cooperation between existing government agencies
and the emergency establishments to be set up during the war and may affect
materially the strategic plans of the War and Harry Departments. Counterparts of the far Industries Board and the Var Trade Board established
during the World War are found in the Resources Ministration and War

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Trade Administration provided for in the Industrial Mobilization Plan of
1936.

This plan is at present being revised and in the process the energency
plans of the Maritime Commission will be ocordinate with those set forth
in the new Industrial Mobilisation Plan.
While a considerable amount of study and work has been done in con-

a with drafting plans for a comprehensive system of shipping control
these are in consideration of the above-nentioned circumstances necessarily

tentative and still in a formative state. Accordingly there are not submitted at this time other then the broad general ideas heretefore outlined
as the features in respect to authorities. functions. and activities meet
be worked out in conjunction and coordinated with the plane of the other
government agencies concerned.

SIGNED

Huntington T. Morse

Hustington T. Morse
Assistant to Chairman

HTMerse/ns

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Paris

Dated May 15, 1939

Rec'd 12:04 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

940,May 15, 4 p.m.
FOR THE TREASURY.

It is understood that the new 5% loan issue which
opened today has met - with great SUCCESS and that

the Ministry of Finance will announce the fact that
the limit of cash subscriptions namely six billion francs
has been covered.

Business in foreign Exchange today was small. The
belga was firm and WE are told by our market contact
that the Belgian control obtained an important amount

of sterling. The security market was inactive, with
rentes showing fractional losses.
BULLITT

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London

Dated May 15, 1939

Rec'd 3:10 p.m.

Secretary of State,
Washington.

685, May 15, 6 p.m.
FOR TREASURY FROM BUTTERYORTH.

1. Mussolini's speech which was generally

characterised as "relatively peaceful" Cave the city
a slightly more cheerful tone, the stock market closing
slightly better on the day. On a very inactive Exchange
market sterling was firm and when bid from NEW York went

to 4.68 9/32 at which rate the British fund bought a few
dollars but continued to sell the three months' forward

at 1 13/32. The firmness of sterling was influenced in
part by sales of dollars against guilders in connection
with a French guilder loan which is coming due, the
guilder being bid from 8.72 1/2 to 8.68 1/2. 80 bars
of Gold were dralt in, 28 of which WERE married, the

British fund supplying about 50 bars. The principal
buyer was pro-rated at 75 percent of requirements.

2.

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2. The OVERSERS trade returns for April published
today show that though the trade balance position continues better than a year ago the margin of improvement
was narrowed owing to a smaller reduction in imports and

a rather sharp decline in Exports. The import surplus
for the first four months of 1939 at pounds 115 million
compares with nearly pounds 139.6 million for the corresponding period in 1938; but for the month of April the
import surplus was pounds 30 million or only pounds 1

million less than in April 1938. Unless a decided increase in exports occurs armament demand may be EXPECT-

Ed to carry the year's import surplus to more than the
1938 figure.
3. The following authoritative announcement in the

city column of today's TIMES may be of interest:
"With a VIEW to pooling and gradually realizing
certain types of immobilized claims on central European
debtors a company has been formed, with the full approval

and sympathy of official quarters, under the title of the
continental assets realization trust. The trust will
acquire any type of financi 1 claims at a valuation
issuing shares in Exchange and will deal with them in
any way which SEEMS likely to lead to their EVENTUAL
realization

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realization in free currency without EXCESSIVE loss. At

present the company still has only its nominal registration capital of pounds 100 but will increase its capital
in the first instance in proportion to the amount of
claims which are tendered to it on acceptable terms. To
what EXTENT creditors will avail themselves of the offer

is of course rather a matter of conjecture but it is
understood that a substantial amount of business has

already been provisionally arranged including it is believed SOME of the claims formerly held by the London

Merchant Bank. It is felt that cash advances under the
German credit agreement and claims under the Hungarian

standstill agreement may provide a particularly suitable
field. So far as the German standstill is concerned the
leading acceptance houses are naturally more interested

in the rEcommercialization of their credits - EVEN if

it looks like being a matter of many years - than in
liquidating them. The clearing banks again usually
prefer to retain any claims they may have. None the
less there is a reasonably wide field within which the
trust should fulfil a useful function. The management
is skilled and Experienced in the normal methods of SE-

curing realization of frozen claims (naturally
at the
inevitable

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inevitable discount) and its operations are with the
entire concurrence of the Reichabank which has assented

to the transfer to the trust of any claims subject to
the German credit agreement."
KENNEDY

CSB

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PARTIAL PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Embassy, Berlin, Germany

DATE: May 15, 1939, 5 p.m.

NO.: 369
No. 29 FOR TREASURY FROM HEATH.

A renewal of the "standstill agreement* will be
signed at six o'clock this afternoon by representatives
of British, American, Swiss, Dutch, Belgian, and French
short term creditors of Germany and representatives of
German banks following negotiations which have lasted
two weeks.

A press release will be issued here a substantial

part of which it is understood will be cabled by American
correspondents.

The short term credits outstanding in all countries
are understood to have been reduced to the equivalent of
$276,000,000 on February 28, 1939 plus additional unused

lines of credit amounting to $34,000,000. of this total
there is outstanding to American creditors approximately
$67,000,000 plus $14,000,000 unavailed lines of credit.

The net reduction in total credit lines during twelve
months ending February 28, 1939 was $77,000,000 of which

roughly $11,440,000 represented payment of full value of

the credit and the rest payment at a discount through the
travel mark procedure.

The

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example, the license fee collected by the bankers for

selling travel marks which was fixed last fall at $3.75
per hundred marks will be on a sliding scale. On the
basis of the present discount of registered marks of 60%

the license fee will be $4.58; $3.75 if the discount falls
to 50% thereafter progressively decreasing to a minimum
of $2.50.
Further the Germans agreed to make an additional re-

payment at full value of 20 to 25% (about 10,000,000,000
marks) of those credit lines which were guaranteed by the
gold discount bank.
Last year some 30,000,000 marks of short term credits
were recommercialized. This year the gold discount bank

will provide its share of the foreign exchange received
from the sale of travel marks to provide recommercialization of the indebtedness of creditors willing to continue
lines 80 recommercialized for three years or more.
Permission was also granted to continue the Haavara
mark used for remittance to Jewish people in Germany and

permission was granted to holders of the Lee-Higginson

credit to transfer a further percentage if they desire
by calling registered marks.
The next mid-year standstill meeting will be held

in New York in October, 1939, It will be the first
meeting

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From discussions with American representatives,

it is my impression that while they hoped to profit by
the firmer stand which the British representatives took
to gain even further concessions, they are fairly well
satisfied with which they actually received, under the
circumstances.
KIRK.

EA:LWW

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PARAPHRASE OF TELEGRAM RECEIVED

FROM: American Embassy, Paris, France
DATE:

May 15, 1939, 7 p.m.

NO.: 946
CONFIDENTIAL.

I had a visit today from Mr. Van Zeeland, the former
Prime Minister of Belgium. With regard to my telegram
No. 931 of May 12, 4 p.m.: Van Zeeland said he had not

yet decided definitely to undertake the mission to Spain
mentioned therein. This afternoon he expected to see Leger,
Paul Reynaud, the Spanish Ambassador, and the British

Ambassador. It was his intention to tell the Spanish
Ambassador that he would have to get three positive
assurances from the Spanish Government before he would

undertake the mission; i.e., (1) that it had not been
decided that the Spanish Government would adopt a

total itarian regime or a system of economy which was
totalitarian; (2) Spain had not made any commitments
to either Germany or Italy which would bind Spain to
economic measures that would make the building up of a
free system of economy impossible in Spain; (3) that

the authorities in Spain would accord him full access
to all documents and information that he might need to
get a complete and thorough view of the economic
and
financial

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-2situation in Spain.
The project, Van Zeeland said, had been conceived

originally by Mannheimer, who in reality has complete
control of Mendelssohn of Amsterdam; nothing would be
done by Mannheimer unless the French and Dutch Governments
approved.

The Dutch and French Governments were eager to go

ahead with the mission, and then the British were some-

what reluctant and had stated that they felt it might be
premature for him to make inquiry at the present time.
However, Van Zeeland expressed the belief that this
afternoon he would be told by the British Ambassador

that the British Government approved the investigation
he planned to make.
According to Van Zeeland, Mannheimer had been able

to interest an extremely strong group of banks in the
Netherlands, Switzerland, England and France. In case
Van Zeeland could work out something satisfactory with the

Spanish Government, he said, at least twenty million
pounds would be available. Because of the fact that the

financial position of Belgium at the present time would
not permit Belgian participation, no Belgian banks would
be represented.

Van Zeeland expects to return to Brussels after his
talks in Paris today and tomorrow. He wants to leave for
Spain

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-3Spain about May 25, if everything goes well.
Van Zeeland told me that recently he had gathered

all the information that he could on the situation in
Spain. He expressed the belief that the hot heads of the
Phalangista movement were now having their ardor cooled

by the cool realities of the economic, financial and social
difficulties which Spain was facing. The job he would
have would be to try to work out a plan for the orderly
development of Spain on free economy lines. Then, when
it became clearly evident that common sense and not
Fascistideology was dominant in Spain, the plan could be

put into operation.
Van Zeeland said, incidentally, that he was in com-

plete disapproval of the economic and financial policies
which the present Belgian Government is following. He did

not think that there would be any immediate or spectacular

crash, but was of the opinion that, until the present
policies should be altered, the national economy of Belgium
would sink slowly.
Van Zeeland expressed extreme apprehension lest the

question of Dansig may bring on a war.

It is requested that this telegram be repeated to
the Treasury.
END MESSAGE.

BULLITT.