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Remarks by
Lawrence B. Lindsey
before the
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
Washington, DC
on the subject of
Revisions to the Community Reinvestment Act

April 19, 1995

Remarks by Governor Lawrence Lindsey
April 19, 1995
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Today, as Chairman of the

Committee on Consumer and Community Affairs, I am asking the
Board to take action on three related matters: approving a final
rule which completely revises Regulation BB -- relating to the
Community Reinvestment Act, approving publication for public
comment amendments to Regulation B —

relating to the Equal

Credit Opportunity Act, and approving a final rule amending
Regulation C —

relating to the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act.

Before going further, I would like to extend my heartfelt
thanks to two individuals who made this possible: Glenn Loney and
Bob Frierson.

Their tireless efforts have not only been well

beyond the call of duty, but beyond the call of what anyone could
reasonably expect of another individual.

Somehow, in our many

marathon interagency meetings, they managed to keep focussed on
the minute details of this regulation long after my eyes glazed
over.

And, even after expending boundless physical and

intellectual energy, they managed to maintain a calm and
professional demeanor.

The Board is truly fortunate to have such

talented individuals on its staff and I shall forever be grateful
for their assistance.
The 21 month process of developing a new CRA regulation has
raised many complex issues, some involving fundamentally opposing
public policy objectives.

The final product is unlikely to

represent any single individual's or interest group's idea of
perfection.

But, I believe that we have produced a solid

workable document which meets the objectives the President laid
out in July of 199 3.

So, today I am asking you, my colleagues,

for the approval of this regulation not on the grounds that we
have produced perfection, but that we have done the best job that
could be done.
I would also remind the Board that whatever your hopes or
concerns are regarding this regulation, they do not end with
whatever action we take today.

Before us lie the very difficult

tasks of writing examiner guidelines, training our examiners, and
actually implementing the rules we are laying out.

It is our

hope and expectation that these will be done with a maximum
amount of interagency cooperation.

Whether we meet the

objectives we set while avoiding the dangers we fear will be at
least as much determined by the actions we take in the future as
by the actions we have taken to date.

In that regard, there are

four continuing issues which have been of ongoing concern and
will remain so in the months ahead.

I would like to highlight

them this morning.
Workability and Sustainabilitv.

I have long been on record

as believing that CRA can be a cost effective and efficient means
of achieving legitimate public policy objectives.

In my trips

around the country I have seen plenty of evidence that CRA
contributes to a process of economic revitalization.

However,

the reason CRA has worked to date is that it has coupled flexible
and workable standards of implementation with an avoidance of
extreme requirements that lack a broad base of support among
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those who must ultimately carry the burdens of the regulation.
We do no one any favors by promulgating rules which, however
well philosophically and theoretically grounded, produce bizarre
anomalies when carried out in practice.

Similarly, the problems

we are dealing with require sustained, consistent, and temperate
efforts.

A prescription of a period of extreme policy activism

followed by the inevitable reaction and resulting period of
neglect is the worst thing policymakers could inflict on those
individuals and communities in need of revitalization.
I believe that we have avoided these potential pitfalls in
this regulation.

We have avoided formulaic solutions which might

seem an attractive approach to Washington based bureaucracies
seeking uniform rules and guidance which do not fit the varieties
of experience in the real world.

Similarly, we have avoided the

extreme requirements sought by some special interests that would
ultimately undermine the broad support which CRA needs to fulfill
its mission.

But, our continued success in avoiding these

pitfalls will require continued vigilance.
Regulatory Micromanaqement.

One of the long standing

concerns of this Board regarding CRA has been its potential for
regulatory driven credit allocation.

At one level it is

impossible to deny that CRA has had an effect on the distribution
of credit in America,
useless statute.

indeed, if it did not, we would deem it a

I, for one, have no doubt that more credit is

available in traditionally underserved areas than would otherwise
be the case as a result of CRA.

But that result is not

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necessarily bad or economically inefficient.

There are reasons

to suspect that various market imperfections exist.

To the

extent that CRA redresses these imperfections without itself
creating new distortions, it, on net, contributes to an
economically efficient solution.

The key is one of balance.

I

believe that this regulation makes important positive steps in
striking the right balance.

We make explicit in the regulation

itself that CRA programs are not expected to adversely impact the
profitability of the bank.
Of more importance, and of continuing issue, is the extent
to which this regulation micromanages bank decision making.

The

strength of CRA is that it instructs us regulators to make sure
banks are serving historically underserved communities to the
extent it is profitable.

The law does not require that a bank

serve every community or meet every perceived need.
Our examiners will, under this regulation and with the
advent of new technology, have the capacity to micromanage bank
decision making to an unprecedented degree.

It is my

expectation, and those of my colleagues at the other agencies who
helped draft this document, that they will avoid this
micromanagement.

The fact that we have data reported to us down

to the census tract level does not mean that loans have to be
made in each census tract, or even a cluster of census tracts.
Indeed, the cognitive limitations of the human mind should cause
any rational mind to rebel at such a detailed level of analysis.
But, the widespread use of computer technology in the

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examination process allows the examiner to supersede his or her
own mental limitations.
considered a useful tool.

And as such, computers should be
But, as long as individual human minds

and not computers are the ones making loan decisions, analysis
which searches for patterns so minute that they are not
discernable to the unassisted human brain are inappropriately
second guessing and micromanaging the lending process.

The

result is likely to be credit allocation at an economically
inefficient level of detail.
While we have avoided any regulatory requirement for this
type of micromanagement, it remains a potential threat.

Indeed,

the expansions of the data collection process in these proposals
increases both our potential to use computer based data wisely
and to abuse such data.

The expansion of HMDA collection in the

Regulation C part of today's package, for example, requires that
census tracts be labelled on an additional 1.5 million loans, an
increase of nearly 40 percent.
Great care must be taken that individual examiners use
balance and reasoned judgment, and not just software, in making
judgments.

Furthermore, we should be clear that the natural

tendency of the bureaucratic rule making process is to
micromanage, and must be eternally vigilant in resisting such
impulses at the policy level.
Public Information.

One of the most contentious issues in

the CRA process involves the public disclosure of information.
Actually, this issue is not unique to this area of bank

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regulation.

Some commentators suggest that highly detailed

reporting of bank's balance sheets would allow the market to make
better judgments about safety and soundness, for example.

As a

society we have resisted such solutions out of a recognition of
the value of privacy.
for many purposes.
customers.

Publicly available information can be used

It informs competitors, suppliers, and

It can be used to refine marketing efforts, develop

more sophisticated means of market segmentation and price
discrimination, as well as to further the academic study of human
behavior in ever greater detail.
Social scientists, which includes most of us at this table
have a natural tendency to want ever more information.

But we

cannot and should not pretend that the public availability of
information is an unmitigated good.

The efficient functioning of

markets requires a good deal of information.
unlimited information, however.

It does not require

In fact, markets would work less

well in practice if, for example, the reservation prices of
individual buyers or sellers was public knowledge.
Confidentiality and privacy are practical requirements of
capitalism as well as being cornerstones of liberty.
In response to demands by those seeking ever more
information, we have greatly expanded the public availability of
information regarding small business lending.

With far less data

than we are actually making available, any individual could
easily tell whether a given bank is making loans in low and
moderate income areas of its service area,
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in addition, market

researchers will be able to make judgments about whether the
industry is collectively making an adequate number of loans in
each and every one of the 60,000 census tracts in this country.
The extent of highly detailed micro-information released to the
public as a result of this regulation is more than ample for the
conduct of legitimate public policy research.
Frankly, the amount of detailed information which will be
available to the public as a result of this regulation probably
far exceeds anything ever imagined when CRA was passed.

At the

risk of being unpopular among my fellow social scientists, I
think we have to begin to wonder about the appropriate degree of
balance now being struck in the public availability of
confidential financial information.

As individuals, we have long

since lost the fight against Big Brother knowing every detail of
our financial lives.

The current issue is whether Big Brother

can tell what he knows to all the Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, Nieces
and Nephews in the land.
Collection of Personal Non-Financial Information.

The final

issue I would like to turn to in this package involves Board
policy regarding the collection of personal non-financial
information by financial institutions.

It has long been this

Board's position that the use of such irrelevant characteristics
as race, gender, religion, and national origin has no place in
decisions regarding the provision of credit.

Not only is the use

of such factors abhorrent to our sense of democratic decency, it
also undermines the functioning of the market and therefore the
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underpinnings of capitalism.

As believers in democratic

capitalism we are therefore extremely perturbed about race
conscious and gender conscious practices.
After the passage of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, the
Board adopted a policy that could be termed Don't Ask, Don't Tell
with regard to such information.

It was the Board's view that

such information could only be misused.

Although widely accepted

at the time, this view increasingly became, until recently, a
minority one in official Washington circles.

On the other hand,

recent intellectual trends may be suggesting that the Board was
really just ahead of its time.

For those with any doubt about

the efficacy of our past behavior, I would refer you to this
week's issue of the Economist.
But, as I mentioned, our Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy is not
as widely accepted as it once was.

Amendments to HMDA, for

example, created a policy which I would term, "ASK, and if they
don't tell, write something down anyway".

As a result, banks now

face a hodge-podge of approaches to this very sensitive issue.
At the very least this is confusing.

It may also be hampering

some well intentioned activities by financial institutions.

Some

institutions, unsure of their present managerial controls, may
want to collect such information for monitoring the behavior of
their own lending apparatus.

Other institutions may want to seek

agreements with community groups which target specific numbers of
loans to specific groups.
instance of this,

I am familiar with at least one

while such privately contracted race-based set

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asides may face constitutional questions, they are essentially
impossible to attempt under the current Regulation B policy.
What the Board will be doing by adopting this proposal is
adopting an essentially libertarian view: "Ask if you want, tell
if you want."

Banks will be under no obligation to ask for these

irrelevant criteria, individual customers, even if asked, will be
under no obligation to tell.

However well intended our original

proscription on such behavior may have been, the social,
political, and philosophical complications which have surrounded
this issue suggest that we may be getting into an area of
controversy in which we are not expert.

The proposed approach

allows the Board to defer to the Congress and the Courts
regarding an issue more appropriately left to their domain.
Again, much of the challenge of CRA lies ahead of us.
Successful implementation will require us to be eternally
vigilant about the potential pitfalls I have discussed.

But,

given the quality of the work done to date, I have every
confidence that we will be satisfied with our final product.
Glenn Loney will now discuss some of the details of the plan and
both of us will be happy to answer your questions.

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