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SOME ASPECTS OF THE MORTGAGE INTEREST RATE STRUCTURE

ADDRESS BEFORE THE
EASTERN REGIONAL CLINIC OF THE MORTGAGE BANKERS ASSOCIATION
New York, New York, April A, 194-9

BY
LAURENCE CLAYTON
Member
Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System
Washington, D. C.

For release at time of delivery

SOME ASPECTS OF THE MORTGAGE INTEREST RATE STRUCTURE
Address by Lawrence Clayton, Member, Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System
before the
Eastern Regional Clinic of the Mortgage Bankers Association
New York, New York, April u, 19U9
Mr, Walker and Gentlemen: The course of interest rates would be less
difficult to forecast if we could achieve stability in the national economy.
No one, however, dares hope for even substantial stability as long as the world
settles its international disputes by going to war. World War II not only
destroyed lives and property but also destroyed economic and financial relation­
ships. Prior to both World Wars, total debt in this country was about 10 per
cent public and 90 per cent private. Today, it is about 55 per cent public and
U5 per cent private. While all public debt is not in marketable form, it is,
nevertheless, true that the volume of United States Treasury obligations far
overshadows the aggregate of all private debt securities.
There were times in the past, not so far back in the life of this Na­
tion, when the Government was under the necessity of negotiating with the pri­
vate financial community, usually the New York money market, as to the amount of
money it might obtain as well as the interest rate it would have to pay. When
the Government debt was small and budgetary deficits were almost unheard of, ex­
cept in time of war, it was quite natural that the Government should conform to
the pattern of private borrowing.
Today, however, the Federal Government is the dominant factor in fi­
nance, Thus we have a reversal of the earlier pattern. Today, and for a long
time in the future, private finance must largely conform to the pattern of the
borrowings of the United States Government. At this point, it is necessary to
avoid any misinterpretation of such a statement. A member of the Federal Reserve
Board would be the last to pretend that the monetary authorities have the power
to control the supply and cost of money. In many public utterances, as well
an in reports to the Congress and testimony before its Committoes, the Board
has emphasized that its powers can influence the money market but cannot control
it. It has been repeatedly pointed out that the fiscal policy of the Government
generally has a more powerful effect than strictly monetary measures. To put it
more tritely, the monetary authorities cannot prevent an inflation if Congress
appropriates one.
It may be supposed that the converse would likewise be true. That is,
if Congress should adopt measures of deflationary impact, policies of the mone­
tary authorities could have only modest effect in the opposite direction. This
last proposition is, of course, highly theoretical under today's prospects, since
pressures in both the international and domestic fields seem to point in the di­
rection of inflationary rather than deflationary fiscal policy. At any rate,
while the Federal Government is the dominant factor in finance, we should not
confuse the term Government, which includes Congress, with the monetary authori­
ties of the Government, which at times play a relatively minor role in shaping
financial conditions. VJith the foregoing clarification, let us examine the




-2relationship of monetary policies to the interest rate structure.
«'¿hile this audience is chiefly interested in the long-term mortgage
rate, a brief discussion of the short-term rate would seem to be desirable.
There is little doubt that monetary action can be very effective in the short
field, since the Federal Reserve System in particular has important powers that
affect the supply and cost of commercial bank credit. Such credit is pre­
dominantly of short maturity, although in recent years commercial banks have
engaged to an increasing extent in term financing.
The traditional weapons for influencing bank credit are discount
rates, reserve requirements, and open-market operations. Since the beginning
of World War II, the first two weapons have become increasingly subordinate to
open-market policy. This is due to the fact that the methods pursued by the
Treasury in financing the war resulted in very large holdings of marketable
Government obligations by commercial banks, life insurance companies, mutual
savings banks, and other institutional savers. The bond support program was an
outgrowth of this situation, about which more will be said later. Suffice it to
say that a pattern of rates was established for all marketable Government secu­
rities, initially at three-eights of one per cent for 90-day bills and two and
one-half per cent for the longest restricted bonds.
So long as this pattern was rigidly adhered to there was no opportu­
nity for the short-term or bank rate to rise.
Following the war, at the initiation of the Federal Reserve, there
was a gradual breaking away from the artificially low short-term rate which had
been fixed during the war. First, the preferential discount rate of one-half
of one per cent on Government securities was abolished. Thereafter, the bill
rate and certificate rate were permitted to rise by successive stages from threeeights of one per cent to about one and one-eighth per cent for bills and from
seven-eights of one per cent to one and one-quarter per cent for one-year certif­
icates. At the same time, the discount rate was moved upward in harmony with
the foregoing and is now at one and one-half per cent. The effect of these
moves upon the rate for prime commercial borrowings is shown by the following
table:
9-12 month
Federal Reserve
Rates on
Treasury
Bank rediscount
prime
certificates
rate
commercial
of
loans at
indebtedness
banks
(per cent per annum)
March
June
June
December
March
September
February




19U6
19U6
19U7
I9U7
19U8
19hd
191*8

.79

.83
.85'

1/2

1 1/2

1.0U

1
1

1

1 1/2
1 1/2

1.09
1.18

1 1/U
1 1/2

1 3/U
2

1.22

1 1/2

2

1 3/U

-3This brief dj.scussion shows the close relationship between the rate
on short-term Government securities and the short-term borrowing rate in private
finance. Let us now turn to a consideration of long-term rates.
There was a time when the bulk of long-term investment was done
directly by the man who had saved some money. Today, there is more likely to
be an institution of some sort between the saver and the ultimate investment of
his funds* Nevertheless, direct investment is still a factor, as, for instance,
in the case of small business, and mortgages on single-family dwellings. The
rise of investment institutions, such as life insurance companies, savings
banks, savings and loan associations, and investment trusts has had a substan­
tial effect on the market for long-term funds, and on the structure of long­
term interest rates. There would seem to be every prospect that such institu­
tions will become more important as repositories for savings, and consequently
will attain still greater influence on the long-term market •
I should like at this point to indicate briefly the extent and trend
of the activities of these savings and investment institutions.
Since the beginning of 19it0, individuals have saved an estimated
total of 165 billion dollars. Of this amount, 62 billion dollars was invested
directly in securities — mainly Government obligations; 53 billion was held
in larger cash balances and demand deposits at commercial banks, and 20 billion
in time deposits. In addition, U3 billion dollars was entrusted to insurance
companies, mutual savings banks, and savings and loan associations. VJhile the
sum of these figures is somewhat in excess of 165 billion, we also know that
some individuals went into debt during this period or drew down direct invest­
ments.
The investment by the American people of 60 billion dollars in
obligations of the Federal Government was a striking achievement. For my
present purpose, however, I wish to direct your attention to the approximately
100 billion dollars which found its way into all types of institutions supply­
ing loan funds, and particularly to the h3 billion dollars which went into
institutions supplying funds on long-term commitments. These institutions are,
principally, the life insurance companies, savings banks, and savings and loan
associations, which I shall hereafter refer to as institutional investors. I
may note here that, although people have been spending heavily out of savings
as well as out of current income since the end of the ’
war, about 19 of the
U3 billion dollars has been invested during the past three years.
How did these institutions use the funds put at their disposal? Dur­
ing the defense and war period they absorbed nearly one-sixth of the securities
issues by the Federal Government, a total of 25 billion dollars, or roughly the
amount of the increase in their assets in this period. But, since mid-19U6
institutional investors, particularly life insurance companies, have sold or
redeemed in cash at maturity some 6 billion dollars of their Government secu­
rity holdings. These funds have been largely reinvested in higher-yield mort­
gages and business securities, which of course are higher-risk than Government
securities. By the end of 19U8, institutional investors held nearly one-half




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of the total of corporate bonds and real estate mortgages outstanding as com­
pared with a prewar 1929-39 average of less than one-third.
The net increase since the end of the war in the amount of corporate
bonded indebtedness and real estate mortgages held by institutional investors
has amounted to about two-thirds of the total increase in these two types of
debt in this period. Indeed, the increase in the corporate bond holdings of
life insurance companies alone has exceeded the increase in corporate debt out­
standing, indicating that these companies acquired old securities from other
investors as \vell as most of the new issues. By contrast, the increase in the
holdings of real estate mortgages by all three types of institutions was only
about two-fifths of the estimated increase in real estate mortgage debt.
Life insurance companies, mutual savings banks, and savings and loan
associations accept and invest, as insurers or depositories, the savings of
individuals. However, the investment problems and policies of a company that
insures persons against loss of life or earning power are different from those
of an association engaged exclusively in home financing. Within the limits
prescribed by statute, these differences in functions are reflected in the in­
vestment portfolios and capital market activities of different institutions.
Among these various institutions, life insurance companies play the
leading role in business financing, as I indicated earlier. In part, the
dominance of life insurance companies is attributable to their larger resources,
which in 19U8 were roughly two-and-a-half times those of mutual savings banks
and four times those of savings and loan associations. Also, it reflects the
nature of life insurance contractual liability, which permits the investment
of funds over long periods of time, as well as a somewhat wider range of per­
missible investments.
Since institutions generally are restricted by law to investment in
what supervisory agencies regard as relatively riskless assets, practically
all of their business financing takes the form of obligations, evidenced by
bonds, mortgages, or notes. In order to obtain investment outlets for a con­
tinually growing volume of funds, life insurance companies have in recent years
engaged extensively in lending directly to business, including the private
purchase of entire bond and note issues. Also, they have recently expanded
their commercial and industrial real estate holdings on an equity or risk
basis.
An important development of the past two generations which has
stimulated the growth of these investment institutions is the shift in empha­
sis from attractiveness of return to safety and liquidity. In school arith­
metic in earlier days, six per cent was the lowest rate used in problems, and
that was the rate many savers thought they ought to get on their money. Today,
savers put their money in time deposits at commercial banks at around one per
cent, in savings banks at around two per cent, in Government bonds at under
three per cent, in life insurance policies at not more than three per cent,
and in savings and loan associations at from two and one-half to three and onehalf per cent. The amount of individual savings that goes into other channels,




-5apart from unincorporated business, is relatively small.
Availability of funds to investing institutions at such low rates
means that funds are available to borrowers at low rates, compared with
earlier standards. The difference is not all net, of course. Institutions
have no way of escaping management costs as has the individual investor in
many cases.
But there have been other changes, too. The market is not the same
as it was when institutional investors were less important. The theory of the
long-term interest rate used to teach that funds would be available, no matter
for what period or to undertake what risks, if only the interest rate were
sufficiently high. This may have been true when investment was predominantly
direct. It seems to be true today only within very narrow limits aftd with
many qualifications. There is a good deal of evidence, for example,that insti­
tutions, while usually insisting upon some minimum rate of return, are more
interested in the quality of the risk than in the amount of interest return
above such a minimum.
There have been widespread complaints recently of a shortage of
mortgage credit. To the extent that the shortage exists, it seems to have come
about largely because lenders have become more selective about the risks they
will accept, and to a lesser extent because lenders have posted higher rates
for the risks they do accept.
Similarly, between the end of the war and the middle of 19h7, many
institutions were competing actively for mortgage loans almost regardless of
distance from the home or regional office. Recently, they have been confining
their competition more and more to their home counties and environs. As a
result, borrowers distant from larger centers find loans harder to get, except
at the higher rates at which local institutions may be prepared to lend.
Again, lenders have come increasingly to believe that further sub­
stantial increases in real estate values are unlikely for some time, so they
offer loans for a smaller proportion of current price or require faster repay­
ment, These changes have not always been accompanied by the demand for higher
interest rates, but the rates to borrowers have risen because the higher-rate
lenders have obtained a larger proportion of the business.
The plentiful supply of savings available for investment during the
past few years has had a very important role in moderating the rise in long­
term interest rates in the face of a huge capital investment boom. The fact
that these loanable funds have been made available largely through institutions
which have their own nee .Is for safety; liquidity, and return, has also played
a very important role ?.n keeping rates down. Another factor in the recent
situation which should not be overlooked is that there was a delay of several
years between the time the savings were accumulated and the time they could be
invested in anything except Government obligations. !„;e entered the postwar
period with a large stock of fundr which had found only a temporary resting
place in Governments, and a feeling on the part of lenders that their portfolios
were over-burdened with these low-yield investments. The feverish search for




-6raortgages and corporate securities during the last year of the war, and for a
year or more thereafter, produced a better balance on these scores, at least
in the lenders1 minds, but at the same time it brought about lower long-term
interest rates than we could expect to see sustained. The lenders who were
offering mortgage money at three and one-half per cent in those years, largely
in the attempt to offset the heavy repayment of their mortgages, soon found that
this was too much of a sacrifice in earnings. Happily for them, they were soon
able to reconcile themselves to a somewhat higher return.
No discussion of this subject would be complete without a reference
to the program of supporting long-term Government securities and the effect of
that program upon the mortgage market. There is no necessity for my discussing
the pros and cons of this most important matter. There are already in the
record numerous statements by the Federal Resei've, as well as by other authori­
ties, indicating that the program rests upon very solid official support. For
instance, Chairman McCabe, in his statement before the House Banking and Cur­
rency Committee on August 2, 19 U8, said:
"It is my view that the System is obligated to maintain a
market for Government securities and to assure orderly conditions
in that market, not primarily because of an implied commitment to
wartime investors that their savings would be protected, nor to
aid the Treasury in refunding maturing debt, but because of the
widespread repercussions that would ensue throughout the economy
if the vast holdings of the public debt were felt to be of un­
stable value."
More recently, The Economic Report of the President, transmitted to the Con­
gress in January 19U9> contained as a part of "Legislative Recommendations"
the following:
"The
that m i l
economy.
to be the

public debt will continue to be managed in a manner
make a maximum contribution to the stability of the
An important factor in this program will continue
maintenance of stability in the Government bond market.

"Such stability in the Government bond market has been a
most significant element in the smooth reconversion from a war­
time economy to a civilian peacetime economy. It contributes
to the underlying strength of the financial structure of the
country. It engenders business confidence. It has made it
easier for business and industry to obtain the capital funds
necessary for their reconversion and expansion projects,"
To say that the postwar pegging of the Government long-term rate is
proper and indeed indispensable is not to say that it has lightened the tasks
of the monetary authorities. On the contrary, it has complicated very material­
ly the use of the traditional devices of monetary control. Perhaps the easiest
way to drive this point home without entering into a technical discussion is to
contrast the present situation with that obtaining at the close of World War I,




-7You will recall that following a substantial inflation in 1919 and
1920, there was a rapid decline in business activity and a drastic fall in.the
general level of prices. These developments were in large part the inevitable
aftermath of inflation. The very large volume of borrowing at Federal Reserve
Banks and the decline in the reserve ratios of these Banks, accompanying an
unsound credit expansion, called forth action by the Federal Reserve to raise
discount rates in order to restrict further credit expansion. As a consequence
rates of interest, both short-term and long-term, rose sharply. You will re­
call also that the market price of Government bonds fell to the low 80's, but,
since financial institutions did not hold Governments to any appreciable extent,
this decline did not result in any direct distress to financial institutions.
Individual citizens, however, wishing to sell the bonds which they had been
induced to buy during the war suffered severe sacrifices. Thus monetary policy
to bring about deflation (or "disinflation", if you prefer that term) was not
interfered with by any necessity for supporting Government securities, and, as
a matter of hindsight, it may be said now that support to the market, parti­
cularly after the downturn had begun, would have helped to mitigate the
severity of the decline.
Today, however, it would be quite meaningless for the Federal Reserve
to raise the discount rate substantially or to attempt to restrict rediscount­
ing at Federal Reserve Banks. This, for the reason that member banks hold many
billions of dollars of Government securities which they can sell on a supported
market in order to expand credit, should they desire.
It is clear, therefore, that so long as the bond support program is
continued the monetary authorities can take no action which would have a sub­
stantial effect upon the level of long-term interest rates. Let me again
emphasize, however, that the fiscal policy of the Government is a much more
formidable factor.
For the reasons indicated earlier in this paper, I should say that
the future may well witness some appreciable fluctuation in the short-term rate.
On the other hand, it seems to me that the existence of 200 billion dollars of
public debt held outside the Federal Reserve Banks and the Treasury, together
with Federal Reserve support of the Government securities market has had and
will continue to have a very strong influence in preventing private long-term
rates from rising or declining substantially.