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Conference on Rural America:
Self-determination & Policy Development
September 27, 1976

Jimm Hammill
Public Information Department
Federal Reserve Bank
250 Marquette Avenue
Minneapolis, MN 55480
Dear Mr. Hammill:
The enclosed is a cassette tape containing Bruce MacLaury's presenta­
tion for the Conference on Rural America on July 17, 1976. We apologize
for the delay; all taping and editing was done as inkind contribution,
so to rush the reprinting of tapes would have been indiscrete on our
part.
We will be sending Mr. MacLaury a copy of the entire conference pro­
ceedings as soon as all tapes are transcribed, edited, and compiled.
Thank you for your interest.
Sincerely,

Roz Whalen
Executive Secretary

For further information write: Conference on Rural America, Box 94, Crookston, Minn. USA 56716;
OR
call: (218) 281-3663. 281-59A4

Executive Secretary:


Roz Whalen

Co-Chairwomen: Jacqueline Bergan & Audrey Eickhof

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. . . . t o com e as sort of a wind-up speaker on a program that has now been
going on not just three days but, in fa c t, over the whole of the past year with mini con­
ferences along the way. I understand that this morning you have already listened to
three speakers and if you are still sitting down, you have very long endurance — I guess
that's the way I'll get out of that one.
I think the concept of the conferen ce its e lf, as I'll say toward the end of my
remarks, is in its e lf an indication of why I have found this adopted home of mine, the
state of Minnesota, such a great place to com e and live and work and be. We are, as
citizens of this state, obviously concerned about our life , our future, our children's fu­
ture and all that goes on around us. And this conference, I think, is testimony to that
fa c t.
Having heard just the tail-end of the remarks by the previous speaker up­
stairs, I do come with some qualms. As Gene mentioned, my professional training is
in economics and, th erefore, dealing with facts and figures. You heard the very previous
speaker say that 10 years ago he would have dwelt upon facts and figures. Today, he
has gotten beyond all that and we're dealing with grand principles. I hope that you w ill
fo rgive me i f I sink back a bit into the antediluvian times and mention a fe w facts and
figures. That's, I'm afraid, how economists measure the world. And by way of intro­
duction, likewise or perhaps warning, which I'm sure you don't need, I would say a fe w
things about economics and facts and figures. The old statem ent is that "figures lie
and liars figu re." It is also said that if you put all the economists in the world end to
end, they would never reach a conclusion and I'm afraid it is also said that the best kind
of an econom ist is one with one arm because then he can't say, as they all do, "on the
one hand and on the other." W ell, with all those disabilities, I'm afraid, I nevertheless
com e before you to talk with you -- I like to think o f it in that way — talk with you about
the Minnesota economy. And I'd like to summarize some of the inform ation that has
been presented to us in the Commission on Minnesota's Future about the state in which
we liv e, the people, what they do, how they earn their livings and how w e ll-o ff they are
and how w e ll-o ff they are likely to be. I would like to take this kind of a look in three
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First, the kind of forces that are at work in the world that shape our future,
our present, and our past fo r us — those forces. Second, how have we been shaped as
a state by those forces; what are we, how are we, what do we measure like and then,
third, a brief look at what we might be like and some of the implications of that.
It doesn't take any expert to say that as one of the 50 states in this country
and one part of a much larger world, a very large part of what we are is determ ined
outside of our own ability to influence it — that we are firs t and forem ost a group with­
in a nation, within a world, and that we cannot, in any way and probably would not want
to even if we could, insulate ourselves, isolate ourselves from the broader geographical
context of which we are citizens. One only has to c ite , I think, the double-digit in fla­
tion through which we in this state passed as w ell as the country and the rest of the world
in large measure back in 1974-75. We in this state, likew ise, suffered some of the pres­
sures of the recession and now are benefitting, to some extent, from the recovery that
is under way in the United States. We w ere, by no means, immune from the energy crisis
that fe ll upon us suddenly back in 1973 and we w ere the beneficiaries, particulary in
this kind of a region of the country of the state, of the agricultural boom that set in
back in 1974. I c ite these, not because they aren't all well-known to you, but simply
as evidence, if you w ill, fo r an obvious fa c t that the forces that determ ine what we are
and what we can be are all around us and we have only some lim ited influence on how
we can shape them. It's not surprising then in that kind of a context that the broad pat­
terns of economic development in the state of Minnesota fo llo w the patterns of the United
States. If you take a look back over the last 15 years, fo r exam ple, you find that income
(personal income) in this state grew just a little bit faster than it did in the country as
a whole - 7% as opposed to a 6-1/2% kind o f a rate. If you look at the number of people
at work year a fte r year over that 15-year period, you'll see that our rate of increase
in jobs was on the order of 2% per year — the national average was something like 1.9%.




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We still fit within that kind of a fram ework. And fin ally, although we are
less closely linked in this respect, I think I should c ite unemployment as w ell. As you
know, the national figures are on the order of 7-1/2% unemployment at the moment,
in the state of Minnesota as a whole, i t fs on the order of 6% to 6-1/2%. And so while
we have been, to some extent* insulated from the national trends, still if you look at
the broad patterns of unemployment in the nation, you see the towns and rural areas
of Minnesota follow in g that kind of a pattern as w ell.
If there is one characteristic that I would c ite about economic growth, eco ­
nomic development in the state as w ell as in the country, it is the elem ent of change,
the characteristic of change. And again that sounds trite these days. W e’ve all been
conditioned by such books as Future Shock to know that we live in a world of change
and we don’t have to read it, we simply have to look around ourselves to see it — the
changes that have taken place. We see changes in production techniques and no where
more traum atically than in agriculture its e lf. We see changes in the method of organi­
zation, the way we get jobs done. We see new products on the line that simply didn’t
exists a fe w years ago. In fa c t, I’m frequently impressed by some of the larger corpora­
tions who occasionally put out a statem ent to the e ffe c t that 40% of their product line
didn’t exist 10 years ago. That's the kind of rapid rate of change in products.
And I think that looking at Minnesota, we also have to recognize that the
context in which influences us through the fed eral government has been changing like­
wise, rather rapidly — in form o f its regulations, in form of its transfer of payments,
in form of the inducements which are provided to local communities to f it in with the
national picture, the fed eral government and its programs have been changing around
us as well and we are influenced by inevitably those forces.




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And it seems to me that our state, the state of Minnesota, either prospers
or is challenged by (falls behind) to the exten t that we can b en efit from or adapt to or
maybe even p rofit from the kinds of changes that are going on around us. That's again
not very remarkable but I think it's a fa c t that I'd like to specify a bit more. We have
in this state entrepreneurs, people who can take an idea and make it work in a way that
I think is very fortunate and really quite remarkable. This fa c t is brought home to me,
not only in the sense of agriculture, where I don't think it's too much to describe what
has happened in the last 20 to 30 years in agriculture as a revolution. The ability to
adapt not only to the technological changes that have occurred in the agricultural sec­
tor but to the population shifts that have grown out of those technological changes, I
think indicates an ability on the part o f people here in this state to see both opportu­
nities and adversity and to adapt to them. If there is a prototype in the world of an en­
trepreneur as I have described them, it seems to me it is the farm er. But John Borchert
from the University of Minnesota has also spelled out to our Commission on Minnesota
the idea of entrepreneurship in the corporate sector in this state as well in a way that
I was certainly not aware of b efore. For exam ple, he called to our attention that of
the Fortune 500, largest industrial firm s in the United States, in 1974, the latest figures
that I have available, something like 13 of those 500 w ere based in Minnesota and that
12 of those 13 had been started by Minnesotans. Now that is a proportion that is way
out of line with what one would expect, looking at the fa c t that we have 2% of the popu­
lation that we have, I don't know what share of wealth but not that degree of wealth.
And this is not just the large corporations — the Honeywells, the 3Ms and so on. It's
also been determined or found that looking around the state as a whole, if you take the
new manufacturing jobs that have been established in Minnesota between 1947 (I think
the base date was) and 1972, some 70% of those new manufacturing jobs around the state
w ere ideas that w ere translated into actuality — p racticality by Minnesota. We have
seen opportunities and we have taken them as a people. We have, in fa c t, adapted to
change.




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I don't think that all of that means that we are captains of our own fa te .
One again only has to look around outside him to know in rural areas of the state how
dependent we are upon moisture, particularly now, on fa te , if you w ill, that we can't
control the rates of technological change, we can only adapt to them. And it is, I think,
our genius that we can as a people take what is given to us and make better of it. With­
in the kind of fram ework in which we operate, this fram ework of national and indeed,
international forces, I think that one can c ite three characteristics that determ ine the
shape of how we make our living in the state of Minnesota. First, what God gave us,
in the sense, the natural resources of the state — the farm land, the timber land and
the raw materials, the minerals that exist within the state. These we had no control
over, we found and, th erefore, adapt ourselves to them. That's one major fa cto r. The
second, since we still operate in a profit-orien ted economy, I think we can't ignore the
pull o f markets, where we can sell what we produce and likewise where we can get the
labor that we need and the other inputs besides the raw m aterials, besides the land, be­
sides the minerals to make a product, to make agricultural products as w ell. So, that's
the second. The markets and the labor fo rc e determ ine in a sizable measure what is
produced and where it is produced in this state. Third, I think we can't overlook the
impact upon on economic geography, if you will, in this state — the influence of govern­
ment, fed eral government, state government, local government. And again, I would
emphasize what is obvious that of these three fo rc e , if you w ill, the natural resources,
the markets and labor, government, only one of these really do we have control over
ourselves, what we at the state and local government level can do.




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I suppose the most obvious things I’m talking about in that context is the
transportation system and particularly the road system within the state of Minnesota.
But we are all here today gathered in another kind of institution that makes a real d if­
feren ce in the way the state develops; namely, the state college system and the univer­
sities and the private colleges, as w ell, where those are located, over which we as as
a people have some say. A combination, in other words, just as with the forces outside
of us of things that we can influence and things that we canft but rather have to adapt
to. So much then fo r the kind of forces that influence the economy of this state, both
inside and outside. What then have those forces produced? I’d like to take a look b riefly
with you at some of the characteristics of us in Minnesota, as people, and how we make
our income and what we make in the way of income. First of all, us as people ourselves,
I’m sure that H azel Rhinehart, when she was here earlier in this session, told you a good
bit about the characteristics of people here in this part of the state. I am by no means
the kind of expert that she is in demography, population and its shifts. But it ’s obvious
that we have been a growing population, that back in 1940 we were less than 3 million
people in the state and today we are very nearly, if not at

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million people. We have

been growing within the state at a slower rate than the nation as a whole, slightly slower
and partly, in fa c t I guess I would say largely, because there has been as is well known,
an out-m igration from this state to other parts of the country and within the state too
m igration in substantial amounts. Looking ahead, (I don’t know what Hazel may have
laid out for you, so if it ’s in con flict, come back to me — I hope to learn from these kinds
of discussions as much as I hope to be able to convey) my own impression is that given
what we know about birth rates at the moment, the prospect is that we are going to
be growing in terms of people in the state at a slower rate over the next few years than
we have over the last 30 years. So much fo r sort of growth in the broad sense.




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What about our structure at the moment? Despite the radical movement

from the rural areas into the urban areas within this state, about which you have heard
all too much and of which you know from personal experience, despite that, we as the
state of Minnesota are still less urbanized than the nation as a whole. That's not strange,
I'm sure, as one looks around them again at the nature of our landscape. To put figures
on it, back in 1970 the last census, something like 57% of the people in this state lived
in counties which are described by the census as urbanized. That compared with some­
thing like 70% fo r the nation as a whole. We are less urbanized than the rest of the coun­
try. /

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What about the age of the population? Again, I don't want to reitera te some-

thing that you’ve already heard but I think this is important in the context of jobs, mar­
kets and so on. I’ll come to that point in a minute. Over the last 30 years the median
age, and I don't want to use these terms, but the median age, sort of the middle age of
the population in this state, has been dropping. It doesn’t sound like all that much, but
back in 1950, 25 years ago, the middle age of people as citizens in this state, was 30
years. By 1970 that had dropped under the impetus of high birth rates back in 1959,
the late 1950s early 1960s, to something like 26 years. That is reversing its e lf, is in
the process of reversing its e lf. We are going to be seeing, with the decline in the birth
rate, the movement of younger people into the labor fo rc e and less young people pro­
portionately coming on. So, the median age in the state and probably in the country
as w ell, certainly in the country as w ell, is going to be rising from here on out. /

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What does that mean so fa r as looking at the economy is concerned? W ell,
firs t of all, there are a lo t of private consultants who make a living out of predicting
what the impacts are going to be of changing age components in our population. W e!re
going to be making few er baby bottles and we're going to be producing more geriatric
pills, to sort of take the extrem e. But I think it means a lo t more than that. It means
a very substantial shift in housing. We have a boom — as the baby boom of the late 1950s
is now moving into the labor fo rce , the fam ily form ation years, as you probably heard,
the need fo r a place to live is going to be at a peak over the next few years. And yet,
we fa c e that against the fa c t that housing is increasingly expensive in relation to our
income. Likewise, the im pact of change in the age component of the labor fo rc e has
a great deal to do with educational fa c ilities . You may have seen in this morning's Minne­
apolis Tribune that the regents of the University are struggling with the question of whether
or not to lim it enrollm ent at the university. And the issue is whether or not to put a
cap on now because what people see is a bulge of potential students moving into the
university now which w ill taper o ff by the la te 1980s. Does one in the policy sense make
some allowance fo r that bulge by putting a cap on not building new buildings that w ill
become less used in 1990? It's that kind of consideration — a very practical consideration —
that this whole question of the median age of our population has implied. Likewise fo r
the work fo rc e . In the past with the baby boom of the late 1950s, we had a very large
proportion of our population in so-called dependence. They w ere dependent upon those
of us who w ere working to provide fo r them. They w ill now be moving into the work
fo r c e and w ill then be able to support more e a s ily ______ _____ _ ____ __ is the key those
who are coming a fte r them to be educated because the proportions of those in the work
fo r c e are going to be more and those dependent, not making incomes, are going to be
proportionately less. And this had a great deal to do also with public services and their
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L et me take just a couple of characteristics of the labor fo rc e its e lf. P er­

haps this was pointed out to you but I think just as dramatic as has been the change in
population patterns in the rural areas based upon agricultural technology, there is just
as dramatic a shift in the composition of the work fo rc e in this state and in the United
States as a whole. I'm referrin g to the fa c t that women are working. You go back to
1940 and you find that of adult women, only 20% of them w ere working. If you look
at 1970, you find that that proportion has doubled

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40% of the women 25 years of age

and older are in the work fo rce . That I think is a very dramatic shift. To put numbers
on it

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if you take the decade 1960/1970 in this state of Minnesota, you find of new

entrants into the labor fo rce , 180,000 of them w ere women and 76,000 w ere men. More
than tw ice as many women came into the labor fo rce than men; mainly because a higher
proportion o f women were working. That has tremendous implications for us in the state
and us in the nation. /

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Lots of things that can be said about why. I suppose certainly the declining

fam ily size to some exten t freed women to take the jobs. Technological advances in
the home

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the diswashers and all the rest help. Some of the barriers to working on

the part of women have gradually, I’m sure too gradually for some of you, been fallin g.
And I think it's also fair to say that we have wanted to, if not maintain, try to increase
our standard of living and one way to do that is to have two incomes in the home. A ll
of these factors, and I'm sure you could think of a good many more, that have brought
about what I can only describe as a revolution in the nature of the work fo rc e over the
past 20 years. Finally in this sense of characterization of we, the people, let me men­
tion education. I was surprised in looking back over these figures at the changes that
have taken place, again in what I think is one generation, let's say 20 years. In 1950,
half of the people in this state had only an eighth grade education or less, half o f them,
in fa c t it was a majority of people who had only an eighth grade education. By 1970,
only 30% didn't have more than an eighth grade education. And if you look at the other
end of the spectrum, the number o f people in this state, the proportion of people in this
state with college degrees, meaning four years of college or more, had doubled from
something like 5% of the total population to 11% of the population. That again is a very
dram atic change and I think it has vast implications fo r the kinds of jobs that we can
expect to have in the state and, perhaps more important since my emphasis on change
and other people's emphasis on change, our ability to adapt to the changing environment
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On the occupational structure you’ve heard a good bit on other occasions,

if not on this. Again these tim e periods vary a little bit but from 1958 to 1974, the pro­
portion of the work fo rc e in the state that was involved d irectly in agriculture dropped
from something like 17% back in 1958 to 7% in 1974, just one more way of measuring
what you are all fam iliar with. The fast growing sectors in that same period of tim e
w ere retail trade, wholesale trade, service sectors and government, state and local gov­
ernment in particular. And I think in looking back at that one has to see that it was
partly the baby boom, again, which has so influenced so much of what we say and do
and the educational requirements that came along with that baby boom and caused those
involved in state and local government to increase in number. /

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In contrast to the United States over the past 15 years or so, manufacturing

jobs in Minnesota have expanded. In the United States as a whole there has not been
any growth in manufacturing jobs, as you've all heard about the idea that we are in a
post/industrial society so/called that we have moved through the industrial revolution,
we are now in an era where we are not working in factories as much as we are working
in banks, working in professions and otherwise providing services to those who already
have the physcial requirements of what they need. But manufacturing jobs in this state
increased, and more particularly, they increased in the outstate region. If you look at
the value of manufacturing fa c ilities built over the last ten years in Minnesota, you find
that a larger proportion of the value was placed on sites outside of the Twin C ities or
m etropolitan area than was put in place inside. I think that's significant. /
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There are obviously great variations in occupations across the state. The

physical geography of the state, in part, determines that, with agriculture so strong in
the West and the South, with mining in the Northeast and with services in the m etro­
politan areas, that again I won't take your tim e to elaborate on it, but that again d eter­
mines in large part income, to which I want to turn now and also rates of unemployment
and variations in unemployment. /
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What about income? A re we w ell/off or are we not? You ’re all welcom e

to come on down to the Federal Reserve Bank in Minneapolis; we have tours that go
through

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this is a fre e , unpaid announcement, and we'll show you what we're doing in

the way of working with checks and working with money. And the inevitable question
we have from the tours/tourists as they come through our building is, "Haven't you got
any fre e samples?" We always have to say no, although we do have packaged in little
plastic bags some currency that has been through the chopper. You can get, I think,
$10,000 of currency in a tiny little bag but it's not really passable anymore, unfortunately.
I c ite that just to say that no m atter how w ell/off we are, we are all looking for fre e
samples, we all want a little bit more. The fa c t is, at least so far as we can measure,
and there are problems in measuring income as you know, Minnesota has been below
the national average on per capita income fo r many, many years until just the last couple
of years. If you look at the averages, we, in this state as an average, earned about 90%
of the national average, we were behind. So we have been, even b efore the agriculture
boom conditions in the last couple of years, catching up. Within Minnesota, there are
very substantial differen ces in income and again this is prim arily determined by the pro­
portion of people in agriculture and the proportion of people in either manufacturing
or in service industry. /

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Oh say, ten years ago, even fiv e years ago, it used to be the case that incomes

outstate, outside of the m etropolitan counties were about 3/4 of the average for the
state and that incomes in the metropolitan area were about 1/1/4 times the average
for the state // a very substantial discrepancy. What's happened? In the last several
years, 1975 in particular as I don't need to te ll people from this part of the state, there
was a very, very dramatic increase in agricultural income, at again as best we can mea­
sure them. I say that with all the qualifications that it implies. Not only under the im ­
petus of these higher agricultural incomes, particularly in 1974, did Minnesota catch
up with the national average; in 1974, we w ere making in this state, citizens in this state
w ere making as much on average as w ere people anywhere in the United States. But
also it leveled out that discrepancy between outstate and the metropolitan county. I
think the big question, a big questionmark on which I would value your views, is whether
or not this is a lasting phenomenon. Can we expect that farm incomes are likely to hold
anywhere close to the high levels of 1974/75? I'm w ell aware that the cost of input has
continued to go up and the prices of 1974 are no longer with us. So in some sense that's
a rhetorical question but nevertheless, I think it has a great deal to do with the economic
future of this state, income in particular. I have, I must say, some feelin gs that we are
vulnerable, or we, the agricultural areas of the state, are vulnerable. Land values, as
I don't need to te ll you, have shot up dram atically. In e ffe c t , we have already capital­
ized into the land values a large part of those incomes that w ere with us a couple of
years ago. How sustainable are they? I'd have to put these in the form of questions./
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Phil

from the University has pointed out to the Commission on the Fu­

ture a couple of things that concern him // a major shift in the nature of agriculture
within this state over the last fiv e years. There has been a very substantial expansion
in the state, as you know, of harvested crops at the expense of livestock. In terms of
millions of acres, the number was 17 million, as I recall, devoted to harvest of crops
back in 1971; that has increased to something like 20/1/2 million acres in harvest of
crops last year, 1975. And another point that he makes, that I simply want to bring be­
fo re you, is the very substantial shift in the nature of the crops. Taking a d ifferen t base
date, 1968, wheat, soy beans and sugar beets, three crops that are particularly sensitive,
as again I don't need to te ll you, to international markets jumped from something like
10% of cash receipts in this state to something like 25% of cash receipts back in 1974.
I do not have labor figures, I'm sorry. But the im plication is, at least the question is,
have we built ourselves a vulnerability to fluctuations in world prices as a result of the
shifts that have been made in response to world prices that can let us down maybe as
bumpily as it was pleasant to rise in the last couple of years? /
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On this question quesiton
of income a last point. The 1970 census indicated that one

out of ten people in Minnesota lives at below the poverty le ve l, as it was then defined
by the Social Security Administration. I don't have later figures on that. One other
fa c t I would put b efore you, at least as fa r as I read it, I'm not an expert, I'm in some
sense repeating what I have been told, that of the say 400,000 people that that implied
within the state below the poverty level back in 1970, only one in 12, only about 8% of
those people below the poverty line, w ere reported that they w ere drawing public as­
sistance from the state. We are still, even i f in poverty, a very self/reliant and proud
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There has been over the last 20 years or so an im provem ent in the distribu­

tions of income. If you draw a curve, I can't because I haven't got my charts here, it
kind of traces out the people at the low income scale, the middle income scale, and the
high income scale within the state. If you draw three successive curves fo r d ifferen t
years, 1950, 1960 and 1970, you can see that there is shift in those curves. The peak
of the people who were at the low income level has now been spread out, if you w ill,
so that there is more of a higher proportion of the population in the state in what can
be described as the middle income area. Now that still even goes back to 1970; it does
not take into account any of the changes that have taken place as a result of the agri­
cultural boom, so let me just say that. Finally, I think I've said that a few tim es, I want
to shift from first the forces that shape us and are still shaping us to the second I tried
to cover something of the picture of what we are both as a people and in the income
that we earn and how we earn it in the way of population. What about the best kind
of guesses and I would emphaze the word guess about what we are likely to be over the
next 25 years? That's something that all of us want to know and I must say those of
us on the Commission on Minnesota's Future have been increasingly frustrated in our
e ffo rts to get a clear crystal ball, but nevertheless le t me share with you some of the
ideas that were put b efore us and which I think make sense to me. And here I would
just c ite some statem ents from a report to the Commission. /
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The best guess about life in Minnesota over the next quarter century, as I’ve
already indicated, population growth w ill not be as rapid in the future as it has been
in the past and that simply is a reflexion of the decline in the birth rates that we're all
w ell aware o f. That we w ill have a larger labor fo rc e , not really so much because of
the population growth per se, although there w ill be some growth, but because a higher
proportion of the total population is moving age-w ise into the labor fo rce , w ill be work­
ing and secondly, as I already indicated, th ere’s the prospect that still a higher proportion
of women w ill move into the labor fo rce , although I would guess at a declining rate, that
we won't see the kind of dramatic changes that we have seen jumping from 20% to 40%
over the last few years. That the employment structure w ill have a number of shifts
in it that in agriculture and mining the best guess is that the number of people employed
there w ill be stable, w ill not be growing, probably not declining. That there w ill be some
further increase in those employed in manufacturing jobs particularly in the outstate
regions and that there w ill be an increase in what we call state and local government
service. That our income prospect within the state, trying to abstract from the great
variations in the agricultural sector, there's nobody that I know that can predict those,
but we would expect that income in the state would continue to grow at about the same
rate as the nation as a whole, reflectin g what I said at the outset that we are a fte r all
prim arily influenced by our position within the United States. That the rural economy
w ill continue to diversify and that there w ill be more of a diversification of industry
out to the rural areas and that within the rural areas it w ill locate in the larger towns.
In citing the larger towns, that urbanization, said that we were less urbanized, as such
w ill continue but one has to be very careful in what he means by that. We are w ell aware,
I think, that the center city, whether we're talking about the Twin C ities or whether
w e're talking about Fargo-Moorhead or whether we're talking about a number of other
cities outstate, the center city has not been gaining, in fa c t, they have been losing and
there is some spreading of population around those urban areas and I think that's again,
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And the scope of the public sector, what we call the scope of the public sec­

tor, w ill continue to increase. That is what is told to us on that last point in particular.
I have personally some question as to whether we are going to see state and local govern­
ment continue to grow as it has grown over the least ten years. Each of you, I think,
is com petent to make his own mind up on that score and in that connection, let me read
to you just a quotation about similar projections in the past. "A Presidential commis­
sion appointed by Herbert Hoover in 1929 later reported to Frank R oosevelt on how to
plot the course through 1952. The report had 13 volumes prepared by 500 researchers.
The summary required 1,600 pages and yet there was not one word in it about atom ic
energy, jet propulsion, antibiotics, transistors or other significant developments. Simi­
larly H erm an ___

in his major work about the year 2000 really never mentioned po-

lution or the environment and there was no real emphasis on the energy shortage.1’ W ell,
I think that’s the cautionary tail that I put b efore you whenever we or anyone else tries
to take a look ahead at what the future holds. Even those guesses, I think, make no al­
lowance whatsoever; they are projections of past trends. They make no allowance fo r
wars, for famines, for technological breakthroughs, they do not make any allowance
fo r a resurgence of the birth rate, w ere that to occur and certainly it does not contem ­
plate either a new energy crisis or the resolution of the energy crisis. It tries to say
that we have adapted so fa r to the energy crisis and that's the way it's going to be. /
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L et me end up, if I may, saying that barring calam ities that I can't see, I

think that the future of this state is bright. It's bright prim arily because of the nature
of the people who live in it and the resources that God gave us to work with. That it's
frustrating to me and perhaps to you to fe e l that we can't set out fo r ourselves some
challenge, some new thing in a major way that we ought to be doing to improve the way
we liv e, the environment in which we live. The fa c t of the m atter is, that as an out­
sider as Gene mentioned to you at the outset, I came from , I com e from New York, com ­
ing into this state now having lived here fiv e years, having turned down "opportunities"
to go back to New York, I think I can te ll you that we, you are very fortunate people.
And that i f we can continue to build on the kind of heritage that we have, I think that
the state is in a good way to being strong, resilient in the future as I think it has been
in the past. /

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I noticed coming in a quote on the bulletin board outside this building, which

I am sure many of you likewise noticed but it struck me. "Don't walk in fron t of me,
because I may not follo w . Don't walk behind me, because 1 may not lead. Walk beside
me and be my frien d." W ell, in many parts of the United States that would be considered
perhaps corny. I don't think it is. I think it is really the essence of the kind of strength
to adapt, to cap italize on opportunities and to survive adversity, that really has been
the hallmark o f the people of Minnesota. /

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